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<v Speaker 1>I am Fred Hayes at Holla thirteen Learn Magio Pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just happy to do a little chatting about those

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<v Speaker 1>exciting days back on the mission. Now approaching some fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to The Doctor Sky Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the exciting show

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<v Speaker 2>the nation who've been listening for ten years. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for your dedication. Today, ladies and gent I'm an exceptional interview.

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<v Speaker 2>In just a few moments, we'll be speaking with one

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<v Speaker 2>of the crew members of Apollo thirteen. Yes, indeed, you

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<v Speaker 2>may have seen the movie starring Tom Hanks and so

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<v Speaker 2>many other celebrities. Here today, ladies and gentlemen, is Fred Hayes.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a lunar module pilot on Apollo thirteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>a brief bio of Fred Hayes is in order. Fred

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<v Speaker 2>Hayes is an American former NASA astronaut, fighter pilot with

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<v Speaker 2>the US Marine Corps and the US Air Force and

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<v Speaker 2>test pilot included. He is one of only twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>people who have flown to the Moon, having flown as

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<v Speaker 2>the lunar module pilot on Apollo thirteen. He was to

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<v Speaker 2>have been the sixth person to land and walk on

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon, but the Apollo thirteen mission was aborted before

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<v Speaker 2>lunar landing. He then went on to fly Space Shuttle

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<v Speaker 2>approach and landing tests in nineteen seventy seven and retired

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<v Speaker 2>from NASA in nineteen seventy nine. Apollo thirteen was the

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<v Speaker 2>seventh man mission in the Apollo space program and the

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<v Speaker 2>third intended to land on the Moon. The craft, the

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo Saturn five, was launched back on Aprilly, a love

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen seventy from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>The lunar landing was aborted after an oxygen tank exploded

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<v Speaker 2>two days later, crippling the service module upon which the

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<v Speaker 2>command module had depended. Despite great hardship caused by limited power,

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<v Speaker 2>loss of cabin heat, storage of potable water, and a

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<v Speaker 2>critical need to make makeshift repairs to the carbon diox

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<v Speaker 2>that removal system, the crew returned safely to Earth on

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<v Speaker 2>April the seventeenth, nineteen seventy, six days after launch, and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to us from his home in Texas, is none

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<v Speaker 2>other than Fred Hayes, Ladies and gentlemen, one of only

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four people who've gone to the Moon, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the humans who's actually gone farthest from the Earth. Fred Hayes.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Glad to join you here today from hot, sunny Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes there, and I'm here in hot and equally sunny Phoenix, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>where the temperatures yesterday Fred got up to at least

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixteen degrees. But the most important part

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<v Speaker 2>of that is that'll all be over, hopefully soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I met you briefly and shook your hand down at Spacefest,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a high honor to stand there and

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<v Speaker 2>just be with you, and I wanted you to start

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<v Speaker 2>off from the beginning, of course, because it's not an

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<v Speaker 2>easy path to becoming an astronaut. Describe your early experience

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<v Speaker 2>and how you got into the Astronaut Corps and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course moved all the way up the pecking order,

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<v Speaker 2>as we would say, to be on board Apollo thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess the start for me was when I

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<v Speaker 1>got in aviation and joined the military during the Korean

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<v Speaker 1>War and became a naval Aavy year, served in two

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<v Speaker 1>Marine viider squadrons along the way. I did not see

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<v Speaker 1>combat in the career. It ended about four months finished

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<v Speaker 1>flight training, but anyway, I then subsequently got interested in

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about being a test pilot, who went back to

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<v Speaker 1>school to get an engineering degree and joined NASA actually

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<v Speaker 1>just barely after it became NASA in nineteen fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>at the Lewis Research Center in Cleveland, now named Glenn

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<v Speaker 1>after John Glenn, and I actually was two about two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years behind Neil Armstrong. Neil also was

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<v Speaker 1>a NASA pilot, a research pilot, started at Lewis where

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<v Speaker 1>I did, but had already moved on to Edwards Air

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<v Speaker 1>X fifteen rocket ship. She was ahead of me there

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<v Speaker 1>and then went into the Asnaut program, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>followed his trail because after a three years at Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>I moved to Edwards right after Neil again left a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago earlier to go in the Asnaut program,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was on that trail. And actually when

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Neil when he was already in the

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<v Speaker 1>SNOUT program, I really had to think hard about signing

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<v Speaker 1>up because our appliant, because what he told me was

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<v Speaker 1>being an a not involved being in a lot a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of meetings and a lot of simulation time and

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<v Speaker 1>not much really good flying as we had done with

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<v Speaker 1>NASA and various test programs. Sure, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>think hard about giving up that because I actually still

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<v Speaker 1>the best fun time of my life flying was my

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<v Speaker 1>time in Edwards Air Force Base at the Flight Research Center,

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<v Speaker 1>which incidentally today is named after Neil. It's Armstrong Flight

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<v Speaker 1>Research Center.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great place, good there, and it's an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>story because we talked to so many pilots like yourself, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously this you want to be in the cockpit,

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<v Speaker 2>not flying at desk, and I think that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>summarizes the.

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<v Speaker 1>Point right right. Yeah. But you know I realized, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there thinking a little more, that I was intrigued with

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<v Speaker 1>the lunar mission, and I said, well, if I stay

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<v Speaker 1>at Edwards, that's not going to get me to the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's when I applied.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely wonderful Fred Hayes, Ladies and gentlemen, astronaut on a

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<v Speaker 2>board Apollo thirteen and most famous as many of the

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo missions, of course, all equally important for this particular story.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ask the average person on the street, they

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<v Speaker 2>probably have a little more recollection of Apollo thirteen. Fred

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<v Speaker 2>Hayes joins us from his home in southern Texas here

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<v Speaker 2>on the Doctor Sky Show, of course, as one of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen new astronauts selected Vanessa's Astronaut Group five back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six. But then talk about the mixes they

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<v Speaker 2>have it where they made up the cruise and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>some changes were made. Then there you go, You guys

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<v Speaker 2>are ready to launch a most interesting rocket. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this with so many of the space scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to hear it from yourself, Fred. When

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<v Speaker 2>they put you inside there, great people like untervend. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess he was one of the pad leaders that put

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<v Speaker 2>so many of the astronauts back into the space capsules.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're standing on that gang plank and moving into

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<v Speaker 2>the capsule described from there and the launch sequence, what's

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<v Speaker 2>it like? What does it feel like to have that big,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, it's like anything he approached some in sports,

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<v Speaker 1>a big game. We'd worked long and hard to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a little taken away as we headed out

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<v Speaker 1>because we had changed to crewman. Jack Schwiger replaced the

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<v Speaker 1>Ken manningly because we'd all been exposed to measles and

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<v Speaker 1>Ken was felt to be very susceptible to come down

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<v Speaker 1>with measles, which incidentally, I think Ken's one year younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me, so he's eighty three, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he's ever had measles. But anyway, that replacement was made

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<v Speaker 1>with Jack, so it was kind of emotionally a little

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<v Speaker 1>hard changing out a crewman that late in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>although the movie gave a wrong inflection that there was

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<v Speaker 1>some concern about Jack's technical capability to fill in and

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<v Speaker 1>that was not the case. We trained equally as prime

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<v Speaker 1>and backup, and I backed up eight and eleven, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I could have done the job if I

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<v Speaker 1>had been replaced the counterpart. I was backing up without

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<v Speaker 1>his problem. But at any rate, you're excited because this

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<v Speaker 1>is now. You've done all this work and training and

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to finally get to go. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>what you feel in the in the rocket's certain steps

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<v Speaker 1>during the launch preparation sequence, and that they gimble engines

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of puts a motion rumble up the stack,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't hear anything as far as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The engines obviously are heard from the roar and pressure

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<v Speaker 1>even from the sound waves. The visitors five miles away

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<v Speaker 1>viewers they feel that, but we inside you don't hear

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<v Speaker 1>any of that sound because it's well below you and

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<v Speaker 1>you're moving up the right itself uppeal. The most unusual

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<v Speaker 1>couple of unusual aspects of it from playing all my

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<v Speaker 1>airplane experience with fighter airplanes and otherwise, is the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of herky jerkiness of the riot, the large four out

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<v Speaker 1>of engines when they gimbaled, even I guess moving very small.

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<v Speaker 1>That gives a lot of motion, and it's exaggerated because

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<v Speaker 1>we're sitting in a capsule way up on the tippy top,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you get a lot of sickly sideways motion

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<v Speaker 1>that you normally would never feel in an airplane. And

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<v Speaker 1>the G levels though are modest compared to a fighter airplanes. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>we were laying on our backs in a couch, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a better position to take g's rather than the

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<v Speaker 1>fighter airplane. We're just sitting up right in an ejection seat.

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<v Speaker 1>And even the old fighters I flew, we'd pull six

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<v Speaker 1>seven g's and combat maneuvering. And of course the maximum

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<v Speaker 1>G on Apollo launch was four and a half, so

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<v Speaker 1>that part wasn't that big a deal. The other most

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced thing was when the first stage shut down, which

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<v Speaker 1>it does obviously very abruptly, and you tend to get

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<v Speaker 1>four and a heftgis to no g's. Wow, and during

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<v Speaker 1>that transition. That's that's kind of another abrupt sequence that

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<v Speaker 1>takes place in the launch. That's about it. Other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's moved out even beyond that with the big wood

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. So you feel like a little kick in

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<v Speaker 2>the pants the sisode of speak. It's like when that

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<v Speaker 2>first stage just shuts down, you feel a different You

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<v Speaker 2>feel a pretty big jolt done. Is that what you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say, right, big jolt?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people think of it when you lift off the

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<v Speaker 1>pad as a jolt in the pants, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it moves away. It just its pictures you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>almost look like slow motion is so heavy. It's over

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<v Speaker 1>six million pounds that even those big engines, it moves

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<v Speaker 1>away quite slowly. Fact I've talked to people have written

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian Siya, which is also a liquid system, and

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<v Speaker 1>they say, almost what without seeing the clock starting, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know they left it off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. Ladies and gentlemen, you're joined here in the

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<v Speaker 2>Dunchter Sky Show by one of the famous astronauts here

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<v Speaker 2>of all time, not because of the mission, but his dedication.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all the astronauts. First, Professor, I want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for your service to the United States military, as

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<v Speaker 2>of course all the great folks we have on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pardon Parcel. I think the most important thing to

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<v Speaker 2>say to any of the veterans, So thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your service the United States of America. But in that

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<v Speaker 2>very rare group of people, twenty four people, as we've described, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that better than anyone have gone to the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>My interest in this is to talk with you about

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<v Speaker 2>something interesting. When I was a young boy, my parents

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<v Speaker 2>took me down to see an eclipse of the sun,

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<v Speaker 2>which was March the seventh, nineteen seventy and right there

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<v Speaker 2>in the Canaveral area, we saw and I saw this.

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<v Speaker 2>of thirteen stack just sitting there, and I was amazed

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<v Speaker 2>as a young boy. But describe it, sir, because we

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<v Speaker 2>one a month later. I'm amazed because three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five feet tall, if I'm correct, that's bigger than

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<v Speaker 2>some buildings. And it's just a amazing feat how they

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<v Speaker 1>Now I described so people can maybe better understand that

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<v Speaker 1>which is now is displayed that way, at Johnson Space

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by this because obviously many people out there are

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<v Speaker 2>interested to hear your story, sir. As you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the lunar transition injection, you're moving, of course, toward the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what happens, and I don't know, Fred, I can

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<v Speaker 2>say it in my simple way, around two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand miles from Earth, the event that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to describe just happened. And just so you know, Fred,

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<v Speaker 2>on my little Honda Element it just turned two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and five thousand miles, and it took me ten years

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. But describe the journey to the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the best way in earthlin like me and

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<v Speaker 2>describe it. It took me a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of years, Fred over a decade to get to two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and five thousand miles, but describe it in a

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<v Speaker 2>serious way. You're moving on to lunar injection, the rockets

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<v Speaker 2>moving toward the moon, and what's that like. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden around two hundred and five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles take up and pick up the story from there

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<v Speaker 2>because this is the historic part.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you trip out dound, it's pretty relaxed. You do

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<v Speaker 1>different times at different distances of the Earth as we

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<v Speaker 1>a ratis sheets, you actually are still taking out some

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<v Speaker 1>of the checklists and the handwriting and changes that were made.

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<v Speaker 1>so you're you're modifying them that way with a Ratis sheet,

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<v Speaker 1>and that tickle. The day that this happened, a second

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<v Speaker 1>day out them Level and I have been scheduled and

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<v Speaker 1>and tell, pulling out elements and objects in the lunar

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<v Speaker 1>shows never had been talked about, and we figured that

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<v Speaker 1>might be interesting for the general public. And after the

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<v Speaker 1>to go to bed, and that was the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the work day. And the next morning the plan was

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up and go and prepare them go into

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<v Speaker 1>lunar orbit and subsequently power getting. Jim and I would

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<v Speaker 1>get in the limb and powered up and prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>the landing. The explosion happened just after we completed that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Jim and I were in the limb

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<v Speaker 1>and it was It was obviously a loud bang reverberating

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<v Speaker 1>through the metal structure. Both vehicles are metal. There was

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<v Speaker 1>some vehicle motion, though not very much, but rusters, a

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<v Speaker 1>little one hundred pounds attitude thrusters were firing, which you

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<v Speaker 1>know where was unusual, and Jim had already started then

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<v Speaker 1>to drift up through the tunnel to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the command module. By that time, Jack had made the call,

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<v Speaker 1>the first call of Houston, we've had a problem. Houston

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<v Speaker 1>had not answered, and so Jim repeated the call, and

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<v Speaker 1>then subsequently I started up to get to my position,

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<v Speaker 1>which was in the right couch in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the electrical system stuff, the fire, environmental and communications,

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<v Speaker 1>and within a cent a minute scan it was obvious

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<v Speaker 1>from the readings in several meters that we had lost

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<v Speaker 1>auction tank two.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay here, we've had a problem here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Houston, Sagan, please Houston.

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<v Speaker 4>We've had a probably maybe both.

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<v Speaker 4>It's okay, stand by thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking at it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay right now, youth, and the voltage is looking good.

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<v Speaker 5>And we had a pretty large bank associated with the

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<v Speaker 4>And the very called me B was the one that's

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<v Speaker 4>had a camp spike on it once before. And the

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<v Speaker 4>interview here we're starting to go ahead and button up

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<v Speaker 4>the tunnel again. Yeah, that's that, Joel's what's the rocks

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<v Speaker 4>the center on C now and oh two quantity two.

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<v Speaker 4>It's was OSCO eight down around twenty to sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's both Skil Hygen and Houston. We had to

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<v Speaker 4>restart on our computer. We would think right at h

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<v Speaker 4>at the restartger.

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<v Speaker 5>Restart interfers like restarting.

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<v Speaker 3>eighty two. Is you on zip up and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 4>Jack?

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<v Speaker 5>Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing Fred, what we've just heard. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>want you to continue on your story because from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the limited knowledge I've had of this throughout history,

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<v Speaker 2>and then of course watching Tom Hanks rendition of Apollo thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I see this amazing explosion take place on the command module,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean that's just so unnerving because you and

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<v Speaker 2>of course the other crew mate were prepared to continue

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<v Speaker 2>on the two to the surface of the moon. You

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<v Speaker 2>and Jim level to the from moral region on the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, your mind goes from not just thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>the lunar landing now it transitions into what it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a survival mode thing. But how bad was this

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<v Speaker 2>if you can describe it, because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be dramatic here, I want to hear it from yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how close to this particular point was this

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<v Speaker 2>like fatal? Maybe to you guys, if you didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the lunar module attached, that was the lifeboat right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the way the situation as described was right after

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<v Speaker 1>the explosion was we lost Tank two. We thought we

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<v Speaker 1>still had Tank one, the other auction tank, which really

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<v Speaker 1>meant we were not in a life threatening situation. Good

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<v Speaker 1>for that tank obviously, then showed and developed had developed

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<v Speaker 1>somehow a very slow leak who was not a parent immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the mission control with all the array of

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<v Speaker 1>warning lights we had on quite a few, about seven

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and computer restart blue light and a master

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<v Speaker 1>all arm for eighteen minutes, Houston thought it was an

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<v Speaker 1>instrumentation problem and not a real problem. But as the

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<v Speaker 1>That's when it became to become a real problem, very

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<v Speaker 1>serious problem. He did one through extensive period of troubleshooting

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<v Speaker 1>with the Michigan Control diagnosed in different ways we might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to isolate the leak to that tank one.

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<v Speaker 1>And that went on for an hour. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>was about that time that GM asked me to when

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty obviously they were running out of ideas

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<v Speaker 1>to start powering up the Linnar module, which is as happenstance,

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<v Speaker 1>we still had a fully intact, the ready vehicle of

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<v Speaker 1>his life support and communications and really by time to

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<v Speaker 1>work this major issue to try to get his home.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's what Jim and I got very active

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<v Speaker 1>and left Jack alone in the command module to go.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued working with Michigan Control and eventually shut that

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Fred, you know, I have a problem personally when

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<v Speaker 2>I go into tight spaces. I think they call it claustrophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if that's exactly what I have,

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people that like this but describe

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<v Speaker 2>the environment of both the command module, the Apollo capsule itself,

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<v Speaker 2>your living environment, and that of the lunar module. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's fairly spacious according to like when we had Jim

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<v Speaker 2>hobble on here. But you're another person who experienced it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're in some trying to kind of tight quoters.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a fair dis assessment?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, tight, but yes, but it's very comfortable what

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<v Speaker 1>you've spent lots of hours. And in terms of background,

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<v Speaker 1>most of us have been fighter pilots. Fighter airplanes don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of room exactly, and so that to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not anywhere near a coastrophobic situation that you described.

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<v Speaker 1>But again testing on the ground, both at the factory

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<v Speaker 1>before they were delivered to Kennedy and living in them

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<v Speaker 1>in quite a few many hours, and the tests and

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<v Speaker 1>at Kennedy and including the chamber test with the vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like a second home. So there was no

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<v Speaker 1>issue from that standpoint. With the living the environment, it

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<v Speaker 1>was tight obviously, and it was kind of an all

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<v Speaker 1>in one room situation. It was your working area, it

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<v Speaker 1>was your place, you with the optics, you had, you

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<v Speaker 1>shot stores, it was your galley with the cupboards with

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<v Speaker 1>the cabinets you could open for food and a water

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<v Speaker 1>gun and hot and cold water guns to mix up

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<v Speaker 1>your food, and also your bathroom all in one little room.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally the knowledgy right, Totally amazing Fred, how they designed this.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank goodness for Lunar Module Aquarius, as you and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the crew are handling the emergency on

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<v Speaker 2>board Command module hodesty. But this is I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>this from anyone, and I want to hear it from you.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a little time with Jim Level on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but we never had enough time to ask the procedural thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So from that incident, what and how quickly was the

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<v Speaker 2>decision made obviously to do what you could to get back?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, was there the possibility that you could have

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<v Speaker 2>just simply turned the whole spacecraft around toward and headed

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<v Speaker 2>to Earth or it's not that simple because you need

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<v Speaker 2>the moon to want swing around us. Tell us what

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<v Speaker 2>did happen and how you swung around the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we obviously were not involved with that particular decision

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned where you could do what was called a

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<v Speaker 1>directors turn, which would involve practically using all the fuel

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<v Speaker 1>out of the service module uh and having maybe jettison

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<v Speaker 1>even but I think the ground, the people on the

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<v Speaker 1>of the service module, its health, and decided that the

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<v Speaker 1>safest way was to just can continue the path and

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<v Speaker 1>modify the path to go around the moon to buy time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happened during this mission. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a sequence of plateaus of remaining still a

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<v Speaker 1>little ahead of the game until you figured out the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing. And so the first thing that they agreed on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I call it Plan B now the new flight plan,

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<v Speaker 1>was to get us on that path back back around

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<v Speaker 1>the moon head home and that was the first maneuver

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<v Speaker 1>we did using the landing engine on the lamb, the

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<v Speaker 1>one we would have landed with to affect that trajectory change.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible, I mean more and more I hear this,

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<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen. The of course lunar module Aquarius is

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<v Speaker 2>so dependent, I mean, so important to get these three

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<v Speaker 2>astronauts back. And again we're speaking with Fred Hayes, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the members on board Apollo thirteen. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>lunar module pilot on the historic mission. He and Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Lovell John Sweigert of course made up the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the crew. So from this particular factoid, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating because I study astronomy mostly, Sir, your flight passed

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<v Speaker 2>the far side of the Moon at at the highest

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<v Speaker 2>elevation I guess, so, making what you and your crew

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<v Speaker 2>the farthest humans ever adventured so far away from Earth

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<v Speaker 2>right now in history. So that's an amazing feed right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you have to go so far from the

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<v Speaker 2>Moon to get extra speed? Is that the simple answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that record which I have traded there

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<v Speaker 1>for landing on the Moon, but at hidy rate. The

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<v Speaker 1>happenstance was we went around the Moon at about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty thirty one miles something like that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And the luar trajectory around the Moon is not circular,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somewhat elliptical. And the timing was we went around

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon as it was kind of at one of

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<v Speaker 1>its furthest points away from the Earth in that path

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<v Speaker 1>it takes. So that couple with our attitudes, gave.

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<v Speaker 4>Us that.

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<v Speaker 1>Point of being the furthest away from Earth at that

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<v Speaker 1>particular time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, that's incredible, fredim until people go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon. That's a great historic record. But more important

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<v Speaker 2>the safety of the crew, the great ground controllers and people.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the handling this mission, obviously real genius is

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that the spacecraft gets you and your

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<v Speaker 2>other two crew members back. So once you make that

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<v Speaker 2>burn around the Moon, describe the ingrest toward the Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've never heard any astronaut explain this. As you're

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<v Speaker 2>now coming back from the far side of the Moon,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the lunar module with you in front, you

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<v Speaker 2>have of course the command module damaged to Apollo capsule.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the next procedure and how then do you actually

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<v Speaker 2>pinpoint a location on the Earth In this rather unusual setting,

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a lunar module as a lifeboat. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>so complicated. It's like skipping a rock on the water.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want it to go off and skip off

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<v Speaker 2>onto space. So tell us this is fascinating to hear the.

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<v Speaker 1>Rest well again again, as I said, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>series of things that were worked in this new Plan

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<v Speaker 1>B that kept is ahead of the game. The first

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<v Speaker 1>one was after we passed the Moon by two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>the longest maneuver we did using the Lamb decent engine

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<v Speaker 1>cut ten hours off the return and that was critical

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<v Speaker 1>from the standpoint of saving time in making this a

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<v Speaker 1>better shape on consolables that is, water in power, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then further we had to do two minor

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<v Speaker 1>corrections to the trajectory to as you say, fit into

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<v Speaker 1>the right angle as we approached the Earth for the entry.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's just a series of three in

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<v Speaker 1>that case, three steps that the biggest maneuver after we

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<v Speaker 1>left the Moon a couple hours, and then two more

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<v Speaker 1>mid courses they're called on the way back to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fine tune the path for entry.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is interesting. I have a model of this

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<v Speaker 2>particular spacecraft that's going to stay there forever. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful model. You'd love it too. It's got the lunar

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<v Speaker 2>module attached to the command and service module with the

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo capsule of course in between. So describe to the

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<v Speaker 2>viewers out there some radios of the theater of the

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<v Speaker 2>mind as you're heading toward the Earth. When did you

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<v Speaker 2>have to get rid of the lunar module to deploy?

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<v Speaker 2>You get rid of that to be ejected it and

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<v Speaker 2>then when did the command module actually separate from the

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<v Speaker 2>apollo Comps will describe that series because it's still to

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<v Speaker 2>me amazing how all this worked with the crisis that

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<v Speaker 2>happened on the command module.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the sequence obviously we're in a situation, approached an

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<v Speaker 1>entry that was different than anything before, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>with the limbs still attached and a dead service module

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<v Speaker 1>that could not we cannot use with its thrusters to

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<v Speaker 1>do proper separation. So the first thing that was separated

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<v Speaker 1>was the service module. It was dead and wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>use otherwise, and that was used with control from the

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<v Speaker 1>limb in some thrust to the sure separation offset to

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<v Speaker 1>our path, and it allowed us also Jim could then

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<v Speaker 1>rotate the lunar module with attitude thrusters, and we shot

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pictures of the damaged stereo I saw

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<v Speaker 1>too long after that, we again, with a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an offset angle from the path, we actually uh uh

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<v Speaker 1>blew off effect blew off the limb. So that that

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<v Speaker 1>was the last thing we got rid of. Because again

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<v Speaker 1>the way you normally separate the limb is you under

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<v Speaker 1>the latches and you use the thrusters on the service

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<v Speaker 1>module to provide translation for us to get clearance. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the service module was already gone and it was dead anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so the tunnel had to be pressurized between the two vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Then pyrotechnically, the limb was in escence blown away by

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<v Speaker 1>the excess pressure in the tunnel area. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>the hatches. Both hatches closed. So that's the way we

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<v Speaker 1>assured separation of the limb to be a somewhat away

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<v Speaker 1>for us off our normal entry path.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Just a couple of quick questions, Fred, our

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<v Speaker 2>time was just about expired here, but never in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of ever wanting to talk to you again about this.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome here anytime, But just a couple of quick questions. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>people of course around the world praying, and I say

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<v Speaker 2>that lightly of course, for the actual return of both

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<v Speaker 2>all three of you, of course, and godspeed to everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who made this happen. But it obviously happened successfully. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So talk to us here briefly. What's the importance and

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<v Speaker 2>significance in your mind? Fred Hayes of the entire Apollo program.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, but I want to hear from somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who really did the stuff, So talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Power program is to me just a continuation

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<v Speaker 1>of what NASA ought to be doing, which is exploration,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course it was built up to that point

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<v Speaker 1>through the earlier programs of Mercury, which kind of improved

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<v Speaker 1>and humans with Survive in space to a Gemini, which

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<v Speaker 1>got head of the game on some of the critical

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<v Speaker 1>elements that would be needed to do the lunar miss

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's just call it baby steps as we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move out away from our Earth and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe it'd take a very long time to think

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<v Speaker 1>of Heaven humans located on places other than Earth, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of a single point failure with Earth. It's

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<v Speaker 1>our spaceship, and we don't have a lunar module for

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth. And as we know, things have happened on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth that have have been major extinctions in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>several in fact, if you would google that, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no saying that that won't happen again, so I think,

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<v Speaker 1>but just in general, the mission of nassas to continue

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<v Speaker 1>exploration and moving outward.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. The Apollo thirteen movie, of course, directed by Ron Howard,

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<v Speaker 2>produced by Brian Grazer. You know, sir, the person your

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<v Speaker 2>persona is played by actor who's past built accent your

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<v Speaker 2>quick analysis of that movie. I mean, I'm sure Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Hanks and you have got together many times, but what's

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<v Speaker 2>your feeling about the movie overall?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'd say the first first time I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was too hung up with I'll call it technical errors,

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<v Speaker 1>which is true of any call it trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>real life prog. Hollywood is done about space. But excluding that,

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<v Speaker 1>as I settled back in, I've seen it several more times,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it held through and did an excellent job

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<v Speaker 1>on call it the bottom line story, which is people

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble, which we were challenges that had to be faced.

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<v Speaker 1>Really through the expertise and training of a team both

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground and ourselves executing what they figured out

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<v Speaker 1>to do, that unabled it to have a good Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>ending and we got home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Fred, It's an amazing story. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank you so much for joining me when we

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<v Speaker 2>go to the bottom of the hour here. Please stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the line as we go to the break here.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I want to thank you, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>a dedication, ladies and gentlemen, to the members of Apollo thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim of course, Jim Lovell has been a guest here

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<v Speaker 2>on this radio show today astronaut Fred Hayes, Lunar module

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<v Speaker 2>pilot on Apollo thirteen and in loving memory of Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Swygert Junior, the other crew member. All three made this

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic group of men. Only twenty four humans have gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the Moon, as far as Sale to the Moon,

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<v Speaker 2>Loan to the Moon, and as you know better, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>only twelve of walk on the surface. We hope to

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<v Speaker 2>continue this conversation in the future with you. But Fred

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<v Speaker 2>Hayes is the award winning person here. He's gotten so

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<v Speaker 2>many medals, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, to NASA Distinguished

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<v Speaker 2>Service Medal, then that's Exceptional Service Medal, National Defense Service

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<v Speaker 2>Medal with one Star, and so many others. Sir, I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your military service and it's an honor

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<v Speaker 2>to have you here on the Doctor Skyshaw. I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 2>in the future that we might carry on a future

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<v Speaker 2>discussion in more detail the great epic journey of us

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<v Speaker 2>going to the Moon. President Kennedy's desire to get us

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<v Speaker 2>to the Moon before, of course that decade was out

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<v Speaker 2>successfully doing it. Fred Hayes, thank you for your service

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<v Speaker 2>to America and long live the Apollo program and the

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<v Speaker 2>memory of all the astronauts. Thank you, Fred Hayses. Stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the line with us as we go to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour break that, of course, Astronaut Fred Hayes.

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo thirteen Fame, Ladies and gentlemen, an amazing story about

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<v Speaker 2>how engineers, scientists, astronauts, pilots all work together to bring

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<v Speaker 2>three astronauts back from what might not have been a

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<v Speaker 2>very successful outcome without the collective minds of great science

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking outside of the box. I'm doctor Sky always

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<v Speaker 2>great guests from the realms of astronomy, space, aviation, and weather,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure Astronaut Fred Hayes would agree. Doctor Sky

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<v Speaker 2>reminds everyone to always remember to keep your eyes to

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<v Speaker 2>the skies. Thank you, Fred Hayes.