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for a little bit again understatement of the night, I

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didn't see it coming. You didn't see it coming. What

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happened to Josh Taylor here is he lost by decision

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to someone named Echo Usmann from Bobswana by way of England,

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who fought harder and better down the stretch of the fight, right,

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and then what happened.

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Speaker 2: What happened is Josh Taylor is finding out, like the

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rest of us, that he's seen better days. I mean,

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it's it's not a knock on Josh Taylor. It doesn't

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detract from the great accomplishments that he's had in his career.

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But these things happened to all boxers. And you know,

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Estumon may not have been a household name, but Josh

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Taylor knows him well. They had been members together on

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the Team GB and the Amateurs. They sparred together, They've

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known each other and Josh Taylor obviously went on to

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great exploits as a professional. But I think the writing

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is now on the wall. I don't know if he

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has to retire. I mean he may, but the reality

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is when you're at that level that that he has

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been at and you suffer three consecutive defeats. Really, most

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people think it should before because the first the fight

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before that first official loss was the highly controversial decision

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that he won against Jack Cadroll in their first fight

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back in twenty twenty two. And also it's not even

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a matter that sometimes when guys lose, they they decide, Okay,

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you know what, I've had enough in this weight class.

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Maybe it's been a struggle to be on weight. I'm

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going to move up. Well, he did move up for

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this fight, and he didn't have success in the welterweight division.

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And no, no knock on usaman, but it's not like

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he is a top top contender, good fighter. Seemed like

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he was there to win. Obviously. He showed to thirty

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chin and great resolve and and really came on strong

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in the second half of the fight, which is how

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he won it. But I'm not going to compare him

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to you know, other like elite welterweights of today and yesteryear.

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So this is a writing on the walkinds.

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Speaker 1: This was set up for Josh Taylor to get back

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on track and get a win, and the worst possible

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thing happened. Correct.

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Speaker 2: It's his first fight with a new promoter. Queensberry Promotions

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did not like try to sandbag him by matching him

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with a guy he wasn't gonna be. The idea was,

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let's give the fans a good fight against a guy

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that Josh should be like, you know, a seventy thirty

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favorite against so our guy we think is gonna win.

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But at least they'll be entertaining and we'll see what

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he's got in this weight class and we'll we'll take care,

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you know, take care of his business, and we'll move

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him onto a bigger fight. And now that's out the

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window because, like I said, he's got the official win

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that most think he lost against Catterall. He looked terrible

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in a loss when he lost the the WBO belt

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and the lineal title to tia Fimo Lopez. Then he

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lost legit and wide to Caterall when they finally got

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the rematch together in a non title fight, and now

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he has this loss that he took on Saturday, and

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you can't even complain. He lost the fight in his

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home area, you know, and in the Hydro in Glasgow, Scotland.

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That's been like his Fortress. That's where he got the

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win against Caterall in the first fight. It's where he

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fought a number of his major fights. So he's in

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a situation where it's like, what do you do now?

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He looked If you go back to the beginning of

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the fight, TJ, I thought, Josh Harolel looked really good.

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The first guy. He was winning the fight. He was

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out boxing, he was out punching me, he was moving

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him back, his defense was solid, his footwork was good.

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Like he looked like, Okay, you know what, Josh looks

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like he's here to make a statement to maybe he

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won't get the knockout, but he's sure is going to

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outbox this guy. And he did that for most of

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the first half. And then you know, I don't know

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if it was a matter of he got tired or

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he just something happened, but the combination of that and

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then of course, you know Essimon, you know, figures things out.

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He said in his postmit interview, which I found to

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be very interesting, and even though they had sparred and

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known each other all those years ago as amateurs, that

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he pulled some things out. He didn't specify, but there

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was things that he noticed that were similar to what

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he remembered from when they sparred. I don't know if

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I necessarily buy that, you know, that's like a decade

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ago probably, but regardless, he got the job done. And

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I mean Taylor, you know, stormed out of the ring.

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He didn't do an interview. We seemed very perplexed by

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the scores. I thought they were perfectly fair. It was

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eight to four on two cards and seven to five,

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and one unofficial.

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Speaker 1: Scorer on his own, whichever one was doing that had

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Essamon winning the whole back half of the fight. So

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I was and you.

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Speaker 2: Said the same. Yeah, I mean, so you know, Taylor, Uh,

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he's got some soul searching to do. As they say,

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it's uh, you know again, I don't know if the

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career is over, but the notion that he's going to

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be the A side in the main event that ship

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has probably saild. I mean, he's thirty four years old.

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He's had some rough fights. He hasn't had a lot

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of fights, but it's he's taken some damage in those fights.

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But the thing that to me, and and he's like

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the poster person for this, is the layoffs. TJ. We

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talked about it every single week. It feels like Josh Taylor,

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now part of this was not his fault. He was,

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in my opinion, among the fighters that were most impacted

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by the pandemic. I believe Josh Taylor is one of them.

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One fight in twenty twenty and it was a first

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round knockout against a horrendous mandatory. One fight in twenty

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twenty one, that was the glory win against against Jose Ramirez,

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but it was super close other than the knockdowns. Then

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one fight in twenty two, that was the controversy against Catall.

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One fight in twenty three, that was the loss against Tiakimo.

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One fight in twenty four, we got wiped out by

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Catera on the rematch, and now most likely going to

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be this one fight in twenty five against Estumat. How

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do you be at the top of your game if

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you've had one fight in the last five years, six years.

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Speaker 1: One fight a year, one fighting year.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like you know he It just is

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very very hard to do that. I mean, that's one

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of the reasons why people talk about Canelo against Crawford,

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and a lot of people have sort of been turning

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towards Crawford because of the way Canelo looked in the

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last fight. Crawford's in the same boat. He's barely fought

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for years, right, it only had one fight at fifty four.

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Now he's going to sixty eight. So Taylor, you know,

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he didn't switch weight classes like that, just a one

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weight class change in terms of this fight. But the

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inactivity has absolutely destroyed Josh Taylor's career. Again, not all

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his fault so was pandemic related to constant postponements and

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then cancelation of the cateral rematch, issues with injuries, issues

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with his opponent, issues with television issues, promoter issues, whatever.

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But the end result is he fought barely at all

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for the last number of years. So from his crowning

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moment against Jose Ramirez, you know he didn't fight. Yes,

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it's not he's not paying.

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Speaker 1: We have seen. The better days were against Jose Ramirez

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in that undisputed title win and obviously back now six

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years ago against Regis Program in the World Boxing Super

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Series unification title flight that he won. Those are his

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best days. But that's a long time ago. It's it's somebody.

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Speaker 2: Made the point to me on Twitter x earlier with

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this loss by Josh Taylor, with the horrendous performance of

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Jose Ramirez and two straight loss that he took both

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again you know, in the fight against Devin Haney and

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then previous to that against Arnold Barbosa, combined with the

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tremendous off the cliff performances of Regi's program in his

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last three fights or so, that that era, when they

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were the three best fighters in the division, all undefeated,

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all winning titles, all being involved in major fights, that

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era is now done. Now. All three of those guys

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are still probably going to continue to box, but the

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notion of them beyond the top of the division, that's

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all done. So they were the three best of their time,

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but that time is now gone.

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Speaker 1: Agreed all right on the undercard, and again, thank you

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for finding us if you're watching us live. Some of

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you were obviously seeing this later on. We did this

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We did the show live on YouTube, so that's why

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you hear us making reference to this. And we may

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even sneak a comment or two in here from people

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dan that are watching us live on YouTube, that are

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chiming in with what we want to talk about. That

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includes earlier in the card, heavyweight Moses Etam wiping out

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another opponent, the American that he beat in the second round,

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knocking down in the first round and then eradicated him

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with a big right hand coming in Thomas twenty years old,

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a lot of potential. Tell me what you saw. This

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was expected and he delivered her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean his opponent was Mike Balagun, forty one

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year old fighter from Maryland, former professional football player, strong guy,

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big heart, as Moses and Thomas said in his post

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night interview, I think he spoke for everybody how shocked

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he was when Balagun got off from the second knockdown.

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He did show a lot of resolve and a lot

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of heart, just did not have the skills or the chin,

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frankly to compete. But when he got off from that

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second knockdown, he actually went at atma and a desperation situation,

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it felt like to me. But he did get into

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a couple of shots that Toma didn't you know, see

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phase whatsoever. And the remarkable thing is when he finally

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put him down. I think this was the third knockdown.

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he threw a shot off his back foot and it landed,

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and he still put the guy down off his back foot.

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forward on the punch. You know, he didn't catch him

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with the full force and it still dropped him. And

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at that point, you know, that's the third knockdown he's

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been getting, you know, hammered. And that was all she wrote. So,

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like you said, he's twenty years old, he's now twelve

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and hero with ten knockouts. Uh, you know, I'm I'm

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of the Year in December, but I will slow the

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role of everybody because I've been reading all the social

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media and listening to the prost.

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Speaker 1: Settled down, settle Down.

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Speaker 2: He may be a tremendous prospect. I don't dispute that

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he may be a future heavyweight world champion, but to

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say that, dad's a guarantee that he is. Like the

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next had.

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Speaker 1: Some chucklehead mentioned the name Mike Tyson with you and

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you had to, like you swapped me. You had to

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swat that a little bit on settled down because he has.

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Speaker 2: Never fought anybody. That's okay. He fought Marius Wack, who

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like fifteen years ago was like a decent contender who

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lost the clitch Goo in a final fight. But when

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he fought him, he was like thirty eight and ten

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and just a body waiting to be drilled, and that's

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what happened. Demse McKean solid guy, but nothing to write

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home about. Did go into the twelfth round against Philip

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Perkovich and get stopped, and he took him out in

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one round. That was impressive, okay, But Mike Baligan is

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they only got him because he's got a good record.

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He's never fought anybody. He's never shown any real boxing acumen.

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late starter, if you will. So again, I'm not saying

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anything negati about Atma. I can't wait to watch him again.

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They're gonna put him and makes sense obviously. He's with Queensberry.

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He'll be on the undercard for the rematch Queen Usk

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and Dua in July for the underscrated heavyweight title. And

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that's obviously the perfect spot for him, and maybe he

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will become, you know, the big star in the heavyweight division.

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But when I keep hearing people say he's like the

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next global superstar, I laughed because in there's really basically

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one global superstar in the whole sport. I mean that

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they're few and far between. So I'm I'm I I

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love him, but I'm tempering it until I see him

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with an actual contender, an actual guy that is known

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to the public, that has some level of accomplishment. Like

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I saw people say, well, he would beat Hergebis, he

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would beat Joseph Parker, he would beat Martin Bucoli, whatever,

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all of these guys that were naming. So pay the

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guy to get him in the ring and then we'll

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see if he can do it. Now, I happen to

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think he would annihilate Martin Bacoley, that's my opinion. I

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don't know if he annihilates a quicker, a guy quicker

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than Bacoli, with a lot more ability and a lot

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more experience, like a Parker, you know, Hurgovic. Maybe you

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never know. He's you know, he's been inconsistent. But again,

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boxing as our as my dear friend Larry Merchant would

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say boxing is a show in tel medium and show

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wins exactly.

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Speaker 1: And let me give you a quick example. Remember fans

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in the recent Edgar Berlanga was flattening everybody in the

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first round. Remember that, what was it, dan ten twelve

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fourteen first round knockouts in a row. Remember there's backup

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back a few years ago, back about three years ago,

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and we kept saying, wait until he is in with

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better competition and then let's see. And that is just

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a classic recent example that while he's been good, he

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hasn't been great. And the first round knockouts stopped, by

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the way, the knockouts period stopped, by the way once

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he started facing better competition. That's all you're saying here

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with Atama.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so again this is not, in any way

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whatsoever a negativity about Atama. It's very hard to find

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opponents from I get that the promoters are gonna have

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to start to seriously overpay the opponents to get them

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in the ring. I get all that. One thing that

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really irritated me today was when it was announced that

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that now the WBO has made him the number one contender.

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Now I'm all for Moses Atama being in a fight

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against a top condttor, but to tell me that he's

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the man Tory challenger and that somebody might get stripped

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of their title if they don't fight. This guy, to

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me is loose because he hasn't earned the position in

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any way.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't beaten a top ten WBO fighter.

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Speaker 2: Thats been the top twenty guy. Give me a break,

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all right? So this just to be clear, not a

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dump on Moses Atama.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you said that.

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Speaker 2: Love Moses Atama, but I need to see show me more.

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His handler's got to do a better job of finding

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him the opponent, and.

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Speaker 1: There's time for that. He's the rest of this year,

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he's twenty, and the rest of this year and early

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next year you're gonna see whether he's got the goods

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or not because he's gonna be in there against a

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better opponent or two coming up.

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Speaker 2: Would that all said? Next time Moses Atama is fighting,

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it is must see be there. Well, unfortunately TV doesn't

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rhyme with must see it's musty stream. I don't know

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whatever you.

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Speaker 1: Could say must see TV like NBC did, But must

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be in the seed early because he's been ending fights

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early tuned. All right, we go to Saturday night in Japan,

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what was Saturday morning early for us, and Angelo lay

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did defend the IBF Featherweight Championship by decision over Tomochikameeda.

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I have to say this was not a thrilling fight.

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There was some good action. Neither guy seriously hurt, neither

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guy down. Leo the busier fighter, it looked like to me,

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I thought this was a just decision going on the

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road and winning in Japan. What are your thoughts in

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the recap mode? Dan on Angelo Leo.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was a really really professional, poised, measured performance.

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I thought Angelo Leo fought a tremendous fight. I really did.

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I mean, Cameida fought a good fight. Also, It's just

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he's just not as good as Leo. He's a little older,

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he's a little smaller, he's a little bit more shop worn.

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the tread as they say, so it's it's not even

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a knock. I think Camada could still probably compete. It

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just he hasn't been able to get over the hump

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when he fights the better guys. And for Angelo Leo

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to go to Japan of his own free will and

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fight this mandatory fight. They could have tried to make

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the fight in America. They would have certainly had the

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better percentages in terms of their favor if it had

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gone to a per spid, but they decided to go there.

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Obviously he knows that it's the home country of in

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a way who he did say he'd love to fight afterwards.

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That's a fight that I think if you're you know,

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anywhere in the one hundred twenty six pounds one hundred

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twenty two pound region, that's the guy you want to fight.

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He brings the money and the prestige and the name.

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But he had to go take care committee went to Osaka, Japan.

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Tomochi co made his hometown, you know, and he's not

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fight a bum to made. It comes from a boxing family.

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It's his family who runs the promotion company to put

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on the event. He's a former world title holder in

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the bantamweight division. And Angelo Leo, you know, have gloves,

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will travel. I thought he fought a beautiful fight, as

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you said, very just decision. It was a majority decision.

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One judge did have it one fourteen to one fourteen.

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The other two judges had it won sixteen one to

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twelve in Leo's favor, one fifteen one to thirteen in

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Leo's favor. That felt about right. We talked about the

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range of acceptablet scores. I'm not even that at the

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one fourteen one to fourteen, I get it. It was

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you know, there's a couple of rounds that might have

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gone either way. But I thought he did a tremendous job.

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It was not like you said, it's not going to

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be challenging for fight of the year. But it was

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not by any means like an unwatchable, boring fight. This

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was a very high class fight. And uh, you know,

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especially in the second half of the fight. You know,

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Angelo Leo did a really good job. You know in

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they'll like say ten through twelve, nine through twelve, he

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probably won at least you know, two or three of

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those rounds. Assault it away and uh gets the job done.

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And now he's onto, hopefully for his sake, bigger and

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better things.

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Speaker 1: And what those better Give me a quick answer. Would

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those better things potentially be Rafia l Espinoza. You talked

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in the preview mode, that's an easy fight to make

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because they're both with top rank. Could a unification fight

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be later this year. What's the guess, what's the educated guest, LEO.

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Speaker 2: My guess is that probably won't happen. I mean, he's

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co promoted by Top Rank. They still have, I guess

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an option on the next fight he's really with Probox. Uh,

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they'll look around and still you know, Top Rank will

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have the first option to make something for him, and

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maybe they'll try to make it with Espinosa. I just

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I'd love to see it, but I just have my doubts, frankly.

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And the reason I say that is because even though

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for the dorks like us, it's an excellent matchup, it's

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not a big enough money I don't think for either

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guy uh to to take the gamble when they can

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make better money fighting other guys in the division, and uh,

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that won't that will be as lucrative. So you know,

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I'd love to see it, but probably what I'll do

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is he'll come back have another fight here in the

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United States. He did sat talk about how he wouldn't

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mind going back to Japan. Obviously there's you know, featherweight

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action in the you know, in in the in the

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in that part of the world. But he is I

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think right now, based on the Lopez win, based on

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traveling for this victory, you know, you can make the

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argument it's it's either him or it's Espinosa, or is

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the number one featherweight in boxing? Right now?

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Speaker 1: You got Nick Ball as the w b A champion,

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right that's the I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if I would put Nick ahead of the.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him in front of Leo or Espinosa

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right now. Maybe we're biased a little bit because we're

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in the US. The British, the British fans would put

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him in front, but not US.

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Speaker 2: I've never once in my days doing this, never given

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a ship what nationality. The guy was from a Mexican,

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Angelo is American, and the other guy Nick from from

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from from England. So to me, you know, if you

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can fight, you can fight. I couldn't care less where

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you're from. But the bottom line is, however you rank them,

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those are the three guys, obviously. I mean, I don't

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think that's even a I don't even think that's a question.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got two other results.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't make clarify. Backing up one moment, yeap,

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real quick. When I mentioned about Moses Tama being the mandatory,

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He's not actually the mandatory. What he is is number

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one in the WBO rankings. He won't become the mandatory

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until they say you're the mandatory.

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Speaker 1: And he presumably would have to beat someone in the

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WBO rankings for that. All right, So there were two

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other title fights on the undercart of the Lao win.

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Pedro Tatteran defeated Shigi Yoka in a rematch and retained

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his IBF strawweight title and also Friday Night Junior Banhamweight

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will Baldo Willibaldo Garcia was a winner in the vacant

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IBF Junior Banhamweight title fight with Renee Calisto. If that's

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how you say it, correct me if I'm wrong. So

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those are two other title fight wins. If you want

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to give me a quick something on those, they can

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read more on your substat because you're always recapping in

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your social media. But those are the two other title fights,

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since we're in the recap mode real quick.

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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the the the Tatara in chig

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Yoga fight, this was another. This was a rematch. This

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is when Tataran had fought him and stopped chig Yoka

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back in July, uh to win the title. This is

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the IBF Strawway title, so they were having an immediate

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rematch and uh, you know, like I said, he stopped

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him the first time. He didn't stop him in the rematch,

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but he won the he won the split decision. But

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the scary part about it, and it was a hard

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hitting kind of fight. It wasn't like a brutal grind

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him out physical you know, where both guys took excessive damage.

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But what it was was was a very tough fight.

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And and the frightening part about it was when they

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were announcing the decision, or just about before they announced

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the decision, chig Yoka collapsed in the ring. They literally

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dragged him out on a stretcher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not good.

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Speaker 2: And I was kind of like surprised because I've seen,

471
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unfortunately this happen in other fights. Typically the protocol is

472
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,359
they're real careful when they're putting him on the stretcher,

473
00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,799
they've given him oxygen, and they were not careful. It

474
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:07,839
didn't seem to be putting him on the stretcher, and

475
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,519
there was no oxygen in sights. So that said, and

476
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,079
I didn't I have not personally discussed this with anybody

477
00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,920
the Japanese Boxing Commission. What I saw in media from

478
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,279
Japan is that the Japanese Boxing Commission said that he

479
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,920
was in the hospital and in stable condition. So stay

480
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,920
a prayer for Shigioka. But that was a rough to fight.

481
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,799
In terms of the other bout that you mentioned, that

482
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,799
was a rematch of a draw that took place in December,

483
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,359
and this time it was that was also surprisingly in Japan.

484
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,799
But this time Garcia he gets to win a real,

485
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,519
you know, a good, competitive, entertaining fight. I actually thought

486
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,119
he won a little bit wider than what they ruled it. Nonetheless,

487
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,079
he gets the title. And if you remember we discussed

488
00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,960
as beforehand, the title that he won was the one

489
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,880
that Fernando Puma Martinez vacated because he opted to take

490
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,160
the bigger money a higher profile rematch against Ioka instead

491
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of the mandatory and so that became the vacant title fight.

492
00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,319
And when they spot to a draw, then the IBF

493
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,279
ordered it to be a rematch, and that was what

494
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,880
took place on Friday. Good fight. And now here's the

495
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,480
the upshot of that is, I talked to the folks

496
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,680
that are involved with our boy will Lebaldo and he's

497
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960
gonna be there in Frisco, Texas. Sit in the ring side.

498
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640
They say to watch the fight that comes up in

499
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,640
a few weeks between Jesse Bam Rodriguez and Fromalayle Cafu,

500
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who are meeting to unify two of the other titles,

501
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,359
and they want next like in other words, we want

502
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,680
the winner for a three belt unification. Obviously they're hoping

503
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,799
that it'll be Bam Rodriguez for the mere fact that

504
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:35,759
he brings a tremendous of money compared to Cafu. But

505
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,160
that's a great thing. If they can go and get

506
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,839
that match done, that would be you know, another significant

507
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,519
fight in the career of both guys. Obviously, Jesse Rodriguez

508
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,839
is you know, putting himself on the pound for poundless

509
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,559
in the recent fights, and if he can unify further

510
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,799
and move a step closer to undisputed, that would be

511
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:54,519
a big deal. And obviously, you know, if Garcia, you know,

512
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:56,920
who's got like five losses, he'd be a huge underdog.

513
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,920
But if he could pull it off, that that's a

514
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that's a golden I can see making win.

515
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: Golden ticket for Willibaldo Garcia again. IBF Junior bandamwaeight title

516
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,079
win for him on Friday. We strive to give you

517
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000
all the names and all the recap stuff. Hey, you

518
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:10,400
want to do this for just a second. We're going

519
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,759
to get to the news in a second. But the

520
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:16,079
savages are everywhere and complimenting us left and right. I

521
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,519
don't even know where to begin, Julio says, Hey, Dan

522
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,640
and TJ. Awesome to see you guys live. Thank you. Julio.

523
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,480
On that, Martin in Florida waged in and said, Josh

524
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,440
is an old thirty four in the fight game, no

525
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:33,680
longer top tier. I think we agree with that, mister

526
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,799
big play. If I have this, mister big play, Bray says,

527
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,039
come in, hit the like button. Support these guys. We agree. Canada. Chris,

528
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,079
who's with us on other stats, says, Hey, I'm finally

529
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680
on the YouTube live feed. Hit the like button. Share

530
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,279
it out, Canada, Chris again, we're doing this live. We're

531
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:57,519
doing it live, right, Phil, We're doing it live. Inside joke,

532
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:03,400
Let's see who else boxing. God was weighing in on

533
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,440
your point about inactivity and said Crawford looked ordinary in

534
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,720
his last fight. Canela looked ordinary in the last few years,

535
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,119
Crawford has much more tread on the tires. But how

536
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,160
do we know he hasn't been active, which was what

537
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,880
your point was earlier, right, say.

538
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: What I mean? Look, I mean, I'm not sitting here

539
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,279
saying I'm not I'm not saying Crawford can't win the

540
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:20,599
fight or anything like that. I'm just making the point

541
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:22,559
about the activity level. And that might be a reason

542
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,319
why he looked a little rough against madgemup and it

543
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,880
was a new weight class also, And as far as

544
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:31,920
you know, Canelo Alvarez goes he's got five hundred rounds

545
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,400
as a professional, and you know, and he has been active.

546
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,160
He has been consistently fighting twice a year, which is

547
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,200
by our standards today.

548
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:43,079
Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, Lee says, agreed with Dan, twenty

549
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,519
years old, has so much time. He's talking about Moses E.

550
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,759
Tama would like to see him against Jermaine Franklin next.

551
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,680
I don't know if that does enough for us, but.

552
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that that'd be actually a big step

553
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,240
up for him. I mean, I think I'm not sure

554
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,799
why they picked out Franklin specifically. I'll theorize and say

555
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,200
because Franklin at least had some notoriety within the British

556
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,599
public because he did give, you know, a pretty decent

557
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,880
fight to Anthony Joshua, and there'd be some comparisons made.

558
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,680
And you know, he's a reputable heavyweight. He's not like

559
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,160
an elite heavyweight, but he's certainly not a bum or

560
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,400
anything like that. He's you know, he's a credible guy.

561
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,359
He had a good amateur career. He's fought some good

562
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,200
fighters in the professional ranks, so that would be considered

563
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,000
a big step up.

564
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Speaker 1: So people, people that put down the hot dogs and

565
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,519
the beer, and they are flocking to ray Field's Live.

566
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,440
Ray Field's Live, all right, so they're flocking to you.

567
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,480
Dank Kidd says, thanks for the live pod. Excited to

568
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:40,799
see more. We thank you, Dank Kidd. Who else? Joey says,

569
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I'm commenting for the algorithm Great stuff, guys. Yes, put

570
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the comments down below the video. Even if you're seeing

571
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us after the fact and we're not getting your live comment,

572
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:53,039
comment below the video. That helps out as well. There

573
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:58,640
are more weighing in. Let's see who else. J Deep

574
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,480
wants to know. I'm gonna go see the Mission Possible

575
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,119
movie tomorrow. Many have already seen it. He wants to

576
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,160
know what Todd Cruz make a good prize fighter. I

577
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200
don't know. Well, wait a minute, wasn't he in it

578
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:12,799
wasn't the Nicole Kidman movie After Days of Thunder, the

579
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Far and Away movie. Wasn't he a fighter? He was

580
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,160
a bare knuckle fighter in that movie.

581
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,039
Speaker 2: Here's the point. He does a lot of wacky stunts

582
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:21,440
in these.

583
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,039
Speaker 1: Missions, but they're all six stunts.

584
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: Right, But he could play the fan man in boxing. Uh.

585
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Julio wanted to know unification next for Angelo Leo. We

586
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,839
talked about that.

587
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,279
Speaker 2: Probably not uh, probably, that's just my impression.

588
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: That you didn't think it would be the case.

589
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:39,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope it would be. There would be

590
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:40,960
a unification that would.

591
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: Be were We got comments galore. All right, so we're

592
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,440
good on that. Let's get to a little news, shall we.

593
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,799
Tyson Fury took to social media. He's on vacation right

594
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,400
and says, I am retired. And as I just put

595
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up there on the screen for the video audience and

596
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,960
the pots can't see it. No one still believes him.

597
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,119
Dan Rayfield that he's retired, I believe.

598
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: Look when he announces his retirements, we cover it and

599
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,519
we mock him, and when he says he's now definitely retired,

600
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,319
the opposite and we you know, we can do the same.

601
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

602
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,599
Speaker 2: It's news when when he says this, because the reason

603
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
because we still think he will fight one more time.

604
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,279
There's that Gargantua and Payday sitting there waiting against Anthony Joshua,

605
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,559
which will be a humongous fight for the sport. I've

606
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,599
said this before. I believe that the two fighters, they

607
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:35,119
owe it to everybody to do this one fight. And

608
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,000
I don't say that a lot about fighters. They don't

609
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,319
really owe us anything. But because the way Fury dicked

610
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,920
us around for all these years with a lot of fights,

611
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,039
he does I think it Joshua he wants to fight

612
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,359
at this point finally, But the bottle.

613
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,079
Speaker 1: He's hurt, Joshua, he's not.

614
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: He's not hurt where it's gonna impact the ability for

615
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:54,240
him to get back in the ring later in the year.

616
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,880
But anyway, Tyson Fury was on vacation uh at Lake Como, Italy.

617
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:00,960
I guess they have a grand pre race there also,

618
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920
and he was taken in the F one race and

619
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,720
he made the video where you know, if you watch

620
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,079
the video, it's on his social media channels. You know,

621
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:10,400
he's got the perspective where he's looking out on the

622
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,920
lake and it's beautiful scenier, and he's talking about how

623
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
nice the vacation is and what a scene. And he says, hey,

624
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,160
there's been a lot of discussion that I might be

625
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,599
coming back to boxing. Well, time out. This is my

626
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,400
my I'm inserting the comment. The reason is because you're

627
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,680
the one that went on a social media video a

628
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,880
month ago and made the video with you and sugar

629
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Hill Stewart in the gym talking about how you were

630
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
coming back and that you know, you were here getting

631
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,519
we're going to do some work and this and that.

632
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680
So you led everybody to believe, you know, overtly you

633
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,799
went about to end your retirement, and so when people

634
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,079
talk about that, you can't say that that's anybody's fault

635
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:41,640
but yourself.

636
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Exactly.

637
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 2: That's besides the point. So he says, you know, what

638
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,400
do I need to come back for just to get

639
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440
punched in the face. Blah blah blah. He says, so

640
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
here we are, and I quote from the video, I'm

641
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
retired and I'm staying retired. I've got nothing to prove

642
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,279
to anybody and nothing to return for God bless you all,

643
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,599
see you on the other side. And I'll just say this,

644
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:05,079
if Tyson Fury is serious, I mean, I'd still hope

645
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,279
he would reconsider and fight the Joshua fight and then

646
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,039
go and enjoy his retirement. But if that is in

647
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,319
fact the end of it, what can you do. You

648
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:13,839
can't make a guy fight. He had a hell of

649
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,759
a career he made, you know, both.

650
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Got arguably a fifty million dollar payday to fight Anthony

651
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Joshua or whenever josh was healthy. I will believe in

652
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,839
January of next year, when he hasn't fought, that he's retired.

653
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Until January, as I put there on the screen, I'll

654
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000
give it another eight or nine months, and if he

655
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,960
hasn't fought, then I'm buying he's retired. Stay tuned. That's

656
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,279
my thought. That's my thought on that.

657
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,559
Speaker 2: I mean, but he could just as well wake up

658
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,480
and make a video saying exactly the opposite in a

659
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,000
couple of days.

660
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Of course he could. One other nugget. Canelo was at

661
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,119
a media gathering right at a golf tournament over the weekend,

662
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960
and Canello said to the media, it's there on the

663
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240
screen say it for the pod audience. What did Canelo

664
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say to the media.

665
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 2: Well, he was asked about his boxing future, and we

666
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:05,880
all know he's fighting Terrence Crawford. It's not a matter

667
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,319
of who he's fighting or even when he's fighting. It's

668
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:10,880
in September, but there's been a lot of discussion about

669
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,000
where the fight's going to take place because of Turkey

670
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960
al Sheik having announced that it would be first on

671
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,400
September twelfth at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, and

672
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,079
then soon thereafter saying no, no, no, hold up, it's

673
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,000
not going to be at the Allegiance Stadium. It's going

674
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,880
to be on Saturday, September thirteenth. And oh, by the way,

675
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,519
it might be in at Las Vegas. I might be

676
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,559
in New York, it might be in La it might

677
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,480
be I don't know, on the Moon. Anyway, when when

678
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,200
Canela was asked this in this little media gathering, he said, no,

679
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:40,400
it's going to be in Las Vegas. So he contradicted,

680
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,759
you know, whatever Turkey al Sheika was saying, although he

681
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,279
did was asked about working with Turkey and doing the

682
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,279
skull fight, and you know, he said, everything is good.

683
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,480
You know it was a good experience, but you know,

684
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,759
it needs I'm paraphrasing, it needs to be in Las Vegas.

685
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,000
That's where my people are, That's where we're going to

686
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,440
have the fight. So you know this, This whole rollout

687
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,039
of this fight, which is a big fight, has been

688
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:09,039
to be charitable, handled like a hand grenade exactly because.

689
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: They are as Chris Berman used to do the highlights

690
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,440
on NFL Primetime of the NFL Football game, stumbling, bumbling,

691
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,599
rumbling out of the gates right now on how to

692
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,839
promote this. Oh, I know you said this, you said this.

693
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,680
There are so many compelling reasons of financial and otherwise

694
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,480
to have it in Vegas. And uh, just because they

695
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
haven't said that it's definitely in Las Vegas doesn't mean so.

696
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,880
And I tend to believe Canelo on this it's going

697
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,799
to be in Las Vegas.

698
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: It probably will be. But I just know this. I've

699
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,039
seen any number of Mega fights rolled out, and this

700
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,279
one has been. Uh, it's not like negative about the fight.

701
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,039
It's not nobody's it's not it's not a negativity towards

702
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,440
them doing the matchup that some people are really into

703
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,799
for their own reasons. But you want to have all

704
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:56,960
your ducks in a row and launch it in a

705
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,279
big way with a big press conference, with a big

706
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,720
media tour with uh, you know, a lot of interviews

707
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,200
with a lot of you know, the nice artwork and

708
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,119
all the different things, and give clarity so your fans

709
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,440
who you want to come to your event and buy

710
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,200
tickets and hype everything up and get excited so they

711
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,160
know where they can get a hotel room, so they

712
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,519
know where they can of course, you know, get an airplane,

713
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:19,920
you know, if they're gonna fly, so they can maybe

714
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,799
find a you know, a place to buy their tickets

715
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,839
instead of leaving everybody hanging. And it's, uh, it's disappointing

716
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,759
because this is it should be should be. I mean,

717
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,599
we'll see what happens, but it should be the biggest

718
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,920
fight of this year, the biggest, Yeah, you've been of

719
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,279
this year.

720
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: I would think this is the biggest fight that can

721
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,039
be in North America. Whether it's this year or next year,

722
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:39,720
this is the biggest one that's out there.

723
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the biggest fights, you know,

724
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,240
in the in recent years. Yeah, I think in America

725
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,200
it's probably the biggest fight. You tell me if I'm wrong.

726
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,559
I'm just off the top of my head. I'm thinking

727
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,240
biggest fights since Crawford and Spencer.

728
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,039
Speaker 1: And we were there together the one time that we've

729
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,119
been together, that was two years ago. But yeah, there's

730
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,200
not another you could say before that in this century.

731
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,559
And we have to qualify this way. It's Fury and

732
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Wilder in this country. Certainly, Oo Sick and Fury twice

733
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,280
has been a bigger deal worldwide, we agree on that,

734
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,320
but in this country. The Canelo Clawford fight in North.

735
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: America, Canelo against Caleb plant for undisputed was a pretty

736
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,599
big fight. Also, Yeah, Scout, it's had a massive gait,

737
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,920
had a It did a much bigger pay per view

738
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,679
than uh then the then the third Fury and uh

739
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,639
and Wilder fight, so that was a big YAlO. So

740
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,960
I'm only making the point though, whatever order you put

741
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,360
it in, they need to get this situated so we

742
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,960
have clarity of when and where that this big fight

743
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:37,880
is going to take place.

744
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,079
Speaker 1: By the way they're taking swings at me and you

745
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,800
love this on on all fronts. On the Live Video Canada,

746
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,440
Chris wants to know, uh TJ, how many hats you

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,360
got back there behind the screen rightfield looks at this

748
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,039
all the time when we're on the video hook up.

749
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,280
They don't see it on the bet Us show, but

750
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,360
now you're seeing it on the last show. I wear

751
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,920
a lot of hats, as you can see back there,

752
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,360
and I kind of have some rankings with my Lightning,

753
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:00,480
my my rays, my buck anders.

754
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: Uh. You know, I used to do the old Boxing

755
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,119
Beat show when when when uh, when ESPN Plus was

756
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,760
first created and they were filling spots and needed uh

757
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,960
pro content content. I did like the boxing interview show

758
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,159
there for a while, and every single episode that we

759
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,079
would do, I would you know, I had a set

760
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,840
up in my basement. They had set up a guest

761
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,159
room with a nice studio and all the accouterments and everything. Anyway,

762
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,199
every single side put a different boxing hat.

763
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: That's the way to be. And we see all the

764
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,159
bibbleheads up above you. By the way, it looks like

765
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,119
bibbleheads or books up above you on the bookshelf.

766
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: Whatever. That is so not of boxing stuff.

767
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: That's that is uh Dank Kidd wants to know, is

768
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,760
uh Turkey Alshi trying to put the fight in Saudi Arabia.

769
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,599
Speaker 2: That's not kind of No, I don't think that's the

770
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,719
case when he made his list of the places that

771
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,000
was UH that he thought were the likely candidates, Saudi

772
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,519
Arabia was never mentioned. This fight is not in my

773
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,880
I mean, you never know, I guess, but since the

774
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,760
it was formulated and Turkey became involved, it was always

775
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,920
UH situated as an American bas fight. I mean, frankly,

776
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,000
you know it would make no sense to have this

777
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,760
happen in Saudi Arabia because you're not You're leaving. I

778
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000
mean again, I know that Saudis aren't as concerned with

779
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:14,079
the dollars as as other promoters are, but I don't

780
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:15,800
know anybody that's just gonna like for no reason.

781
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that the fighters would agree to that.

782
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,559
I don't know that Crawford and Canelo agreed to it

783
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,039
in the first place, or would agree to this fight

784
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,880
being in different matter. But I wouldn't want that fight here.

785
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: So if you put the fight in Las Vegas at

786
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,199
the tem Mobile Arena, you'll do a twenty five million dollars. Yeah,

787
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,320
there's no place else that will do that kind of money,

788
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,719
not even close, mister. Put them in the grounds, including,

789
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,039
by the way, the Allegiance Stadium.

790
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Okay, any truth to the rumor that Boots turned down

791
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,079
the Taya Femo Lopez fight. While we do this live tonight,

792
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,679
do we know that he turned it down.

793
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: I've not heard that he's turned it down. I mean

794
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,599
there's I don't know there was even an offer made

795
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:48,920
for the t Femo Lopez fight.

796
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: So for Boots Sennis, you know j deeps already got

797
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,639
an early prediction in Saintes Zusig beats to Bois in

798
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,719
the rematch tenth round, Tko take him to the bank

799
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,360
by a lottery ticket. Uh, all right, let's get to

800
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,199
some nostalgia. Shall wait tonight as you and I sit

801
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,800
here and do this. On May the twenty fifth, twenty

802
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,159
twenty five, is the sixtieth anniversary of Muhammad Ali and

803
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Sonny liston brief as it was.

804
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: By the way, before you go any further, No, I

805
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:16,719
was not there.

806
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: You did not cover neither neither. Neither of us were alive,

807
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719
and a lot of the audience watching us is not alive.

808
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: I was negative five, you and I both.

809
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: And so that night in a little town called Lewiston

810
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,719
in Maine, at a youth hockey center May twenty five,

811
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,920
nineteen sixty five, and we'll get into that here in

812
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,639
a second, Ali defeats Listen with what was regarded then

813
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,119
regarded after in the short term and has been regarded

814
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,079
for six decades since as a phantom type punch. Was

815
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,039
it really a big enough punch to have scored a

816
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:54,280
first round knockout? Okay, so let's have fun with the

817
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,679
savages for a couple of remaining moments here. I hope

818
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,480
you can see this, but it is on the screen.

819
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,800
Dan raype feel on the sixtieth anniversary of Ali Listen.

820
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,440
Can you see the picture? We were rehearsing this before

821
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,119
the show. You can't see the picture, but the audience presumably.

822
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,960
I'm double checking on YouTube that the audience can see

823
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,719
this or truly we do have radio on TV, so

824
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,599
I want to double check. Yeah, it's there on the

825
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,800
YouTube feed. I don't know why you can't see it.

826
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,599
It's a clitch, it's a grimlin, but it's Ali standing

827
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,239
over Listen in color photo. The iconic photo from Neil

828
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,440
Leifer for Sports Illustrated of him standing over him in

829
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,920
the first round. Incredible moment, incredible photo. Award winning photo

830
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,400
made Neil Leifer's career that he got that.

831
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're looking at the I just clicked on

832
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:39,599
the YouTube channel, so I.

833
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Say, yes, you see the photo there it is.

834
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: So if you take a look between Muhammad Ali's.

835
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: Legs, I'll point to it on the screen.

836
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: If that looks like he's about to take a picture

837
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,519
talking to a microphone, I'm not sure which it is.

838
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,920
He's wearing glasses. See what I'm talking about. There's a

839
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,719
now tip behind that man on his slightly to his right,

840
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,079
there's another man with curly hair and his mouth open like,

841
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:03,360
oh my god. Like look at the knockdown.

842
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 1: Right Between's legs. If we can't point to it with

843
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,039
the cursor and you're not seeing it right between Ali's legs,

844
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,840
look at the head beside the guy with the glasses.

845
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,760
Go ahead, that's Larry Merchant right there in the middle. Yes, sir,

846
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,800
that's amazing that he was ringside for that fight sixty

847
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,199
years ago.

848
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: And Larry's the way what and I don't even think

849
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,320
this is arguable. This is the singular most iconic boxing

850
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,079
photo in this isue.

851
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,119
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I.

852
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: Don't know what else, what's in what's second, what's.

853
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what would be there? And and so

854
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,199
from those at ringside that could hear him. Ali was

855
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,119
yelling at Listing, get up, Get up, you chump, get up.

856
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,760
And you see him on that photo with the mouth

857
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,840
open yelling at him about get up.

858
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: Uh. So that just put this in context. Yeah, you

859
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,239
go jump crazy all over the place. It was in

860
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,320
February of nineteen sixty four where Ali, then Cash's Clay,

861
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,360
scored the monstrous upset of Sonny Listen in the sixth

862
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,840
round where he quit on the stool to win the

863
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,639
heavyweight championship in the first place. And this was the

864
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:09,280
immediate rematch that took place in May of nineteen sixty five.

865
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,039
And in the you know, right after he had won

866
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,920
the title from Listen, is when Cashus Clay changed his name,

867
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,239
you know change The first was cash as X and

868
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,559
he then he you know, proclaimed to clashes Muhammad Ali

869
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:26,400
rather and you know, converted to Islam, and that became

870
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,239
obviously a huge international story. And so this was his

871
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,760
first fight after not only winning the title in the rematch,

872
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,880
but also the conversion of his religion and changing his name,

873
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:38,920
and a lot of people, unfortunately it's an embarrassing thing

874
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,039
for people in my walk of life as a journalist

875
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:45,079
who refused to acknowledge him as Muhammad Ali, and years

876
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,679
and years went by where people were still referring to

877
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,159
him as Clay, which was extraordinarily disrespectful. But that's besides

878
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,639
the point. But anyway, so this fight happened. You mentioned

879
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,960
about how it took place in Lewis and Maine. There

880
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,639
was an attendance PJ of twy four hundred and thirty

881
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:02,960
four for this kind of heavyweight, So it was supposed

882
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,039
to be in the Boston Garden.

883
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. So let's go over

884
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,239
that for just a second while we're doing nostalgia before

885
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,840
we're done. They wanted to fight in Boston, but they

886
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,559
could not get licensed in Massachusetts as there were historical

887
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,639
for the promoters, right.

888
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,119
Speaker 2: It was related to the issues related to the WBA,

889
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,320
related to the Massachusetts Commission. Uh, they were concerned about lawsuits.

890
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
There was a lot of you know, minutia related to

891
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,639
like legality things about it and so uh and and

892
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,159
also the original date was postponed because Ali had a

893
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,800
medical issue and it prevented the fight from taking place

894
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000
on the original date. And when they went to reschedule

895
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,599
it and still tried to do it at the Boston Garden. Uh,

896
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,119
it just wasn't gonna happen, and so they wanted someplace

897
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,880
that was still in that I guess market, and Lewis

898
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,360
and Maine is not that far from Boston, but then

899
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,159
there wasn't they had to fight a place that was available.

900
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,199
So they put this fight in Lewis and Maine. And

901
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,360
it's like one of the craziest things. And you know

902
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,400
that you could have because you could have obviously put

903
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,239
a big crowd. And then the other thing about it,

904
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,320
by the way, even though Ali had stopped Sonny Listen

905
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,800
in their first fight and became the champion, the public

906
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,599
wasn't believing what they saw was real because Sony Listen

907
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,880
went into the rematch as still a heavy favorite in the.

908
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: Fight, yep, because he was such a menacing fighter. So

909
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,679
this was in a youth hockey center in Lewiston, Maine,

910
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:18,000
on a weeknight with fewer than two thousand people in

911
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,320
twenty four hundred announced I mean for the heavyweight the

912
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,840
world god including Larry Merchant being there, Howard Cosell there,

913
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,519
all right, so we're gonna do something now for the

914
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:33,039
audience on the subject of was it a phantom punch

915
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,679
or not. Let's take a look through the magic of video.

916
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,639
This is the old video from the closed circuit that's

917
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,599
out there that's available on the internet. The punch is

918
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:48,800
upcoming here with the right hand. Right about as they

919
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,079
turned back around and Listen has his back to the camera.

920
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Here comes the quick right hand and was this I'm

921
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,519
gonna try to freeze it? Was that a punch and

922
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,960
we see the list in reaction. But I mean, for

923
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,679
all time, Liston is rolling around, like I like to say,

924
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,760
Rayphael like a beached whale. Jersey Joe Walcott, the former

925
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,639
heavyweight champ, is the ref trying to get Ali to

926
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,159
go to the corner and look at Listen flopping around

927
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,280
with Ali doing circles. What a message, crazy moment, Go ahead.

928
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: Jersey Joe might have been a great heavyweight.

929
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,639
Speaker 1: As I like to say, I'll spell it l O

930
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,239
st lost as.

931
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: The referee issues with how he handled this.

932
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 1: Because right here, for example, for the video audience, they're

933
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,559
seeing it. For the podcast on inter not seeing it,

934
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,440
we're showing the freeze frame of Walcott looking over at

935
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,719
the timekeeper who is standing up on the apron waving

936
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at him, and so the timekeeper saying I counted to ten, which,

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by the way, that shouldn't have mattered. It should only

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have been the referees count. So Walcott is now going

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to leave the frame here and to the timekeeper and

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they start fighting again.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't pick up the count by ten, which

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is ridiculous, the fight would be over. But I've never

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seen a referee not pick up the count before ten.

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You know, I've seen guys pick it up at five,

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not at ten. It was just the whole thing was

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handled garbage. It was just terrible.

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Speaker 1: We look at it one more time for the video audience.

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Do you believe I'm gonna put it on the screen?

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Is this a real punch? Dan Rayphiel Ali called it

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the anchor punch after the fight here it comes short

951
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right hand. Look, do we believe that's a real punch.

952
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Speaker 2: I do think it's a real punch. Now there's a difference.

953
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Is it a real punch and is it a punch

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that it's big enough to actually.

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Speaker 1: To make a man do what Sonny Liston is doing.

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Speaker 2: Right? Okay, here's my perspective. Okay, if a real punch

957
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actually connected, may have even legitimately knocked him down. But

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when he got to the way he got to his

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knees and then fell over. That seemed to be uh,

960
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a little bit over the top. So I feel like

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he was pressured as you do the reading and the

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research that the mafia and and all that they were involved.

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And you know, there's a the old sportswriter Mark Kram

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from s I who wrote the famous book about from

965
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Joe Fraser's point of view about the thriller in Manila.

966
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He wrote, and I don't know if it's believable, because

967
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Mark Kram sometimes the things he wrote later after he

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was long gone became a little bit up for debate,

969
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said that Sonny Listen told him that Muhammad Ali was

970
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crazy and that he didn't want anything to do with him,

971
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and that the Muslims were coming up, meaning into the ring.

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Who needs that? So I went down and I wasn't hit.

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And I don't know if Sonny Listen is all that believable.

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Also in his own involvement with with Chris.

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Speaker 1: Or organized crime, and again, if you were going to

976
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fix a fight, this is how you would do it,

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where everybody's loaded up on the favorite and then you

978
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as the mob, fixed the fight and have all your

979
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money on Island Lee and a knockout in the first round,

980
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or at least a knockout. Crazy that that was sixty

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years ago.

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Speaker 2: It is though it is other. I mean I take

983
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controversial decisions out of the out of the equation. You know,

984
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a A A holy Field Lewis draw scorecard, Whittaker against

985
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Julio Says Chavas or any other of the massive controversies that.

986
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Speaker 1: We controversy with Chavez stoppage of Meldrick Taylor, there's controversy

987
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with that.

988
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Speaker 2: Well, say this is this is one of the most

989
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,800
controversial endings of a fight ever. I would say, other

990
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than me.

991
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Speaker 1: I think it's the most controversial ending of any heavyweight

992
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,360
title fight. You can certainly say that. Then you can

993
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,960
argue Chavez Taylor on that. And uh, just one more

994
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,079
point about all of this is but this was though

995
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,239
that decision, it was right. But bear in mind the

996
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public could not see this except the closed circuit broadcast.

997
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There's no internet. There's no showing of this on the

998
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local news. So the newspaper is writing about it where

999
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
everybody would write about it. The radio is talking about it.

1000
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And it was several weeks later that ABC with Howard

1001
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Cosell showed the video that we just showed you and

1002
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had a great debate. You can go on YouTube and

1003
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watch the debate from that program where co Sal's got

1004
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Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano and a couple of other

1005
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,440
guests debating was it really a punch or not. My

1006
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point is the public was literally in the dark on

1007
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,480
being able to see it and see what happened for

1008
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so long that it added to the lore and the

1009
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,639
thought that this was fixed.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things when you mentioned about it

1011
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,599
being available to the public on a closed circuit basis,

1012
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that's one of the reasons why they moved it to

1013
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,599
Lewis and Nane, because they wanted to preserve that closed

1014
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,719
circuit date because even with a big crowd, they're probably

1015
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going to generate more of the money through a close

1016
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circuit around the country than they would have just in

1017
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the one location. So therefore they kept it on that

1018
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date and still made it available on close circuits. If

1019
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,920
you're watching it a movie theater, it doesn't matter to

1020
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you if it's taking place in Lewis and Maine or

1021
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the Boston Garden or on Metrial. So that was a

1022
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big part of their decision to do that. It's it's

1023
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a lot of business and a lot of you know,

1024
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intricate things that were involved with the reasons why it

1025
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landed there in the date and everything, but the fight itself,

1026
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,400
you know, crazy, you know. I again, I think it

1027
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was I think the punch was legit that and knocked

1028
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and down. I'm just not sure that Sonny Listen gave

1029
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the effort to try to beat the count chaos.

1030
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Speaker 1: Go back and relive it if you want on YouTube.

1031
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,639
We relived it tonight. With that, we have done well

1032
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with our Fight Freaks Ugh Night Recap live show on

1033
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,639
YouTube now. You may be seeing it on demand later

1034
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on on Sunday night of Memorial Day weekend on Monday,

1035
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et cetera. For the podcast audience, you can come see

1036
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the video that we were just talking about. Come to

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the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page and see what we

1038
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were talking about, including the photo of Ali overlisted in

1039
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the video. So Dan, great stuff, great stuff with this tonight. Again.

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For the YouTube audience, hit subscribe on the channel that

1041
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,159
helps us. Hit the like button comment below the finished

1042
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video as well. That will help in the algorithms. We'll

1043
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,679
do some more live creative things here on the channel.

1044
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We have a lot of nostalgia on the channel under

1045
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the video section. I love putting the nostalgia.

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Speaker 2: That go ahead, yeah, I'll give them a little pop

1047
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because coming up this coming Saturday, of course, is the

1048
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return to the ring for Kayleb Plant and also Jamal

1049
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,239
Strullo and they're a double header and if they both win,

1050
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,679
they'll fight each other. But a few videos back on

1051
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,119
this here YouTube channel is my interview with Kayleb Plant.

1052
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You can watch. We've played the audio on the pod

1053
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we on the last show, but you can certainly check

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out the video of.

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Speaker 1: So that that video is still sitting there, and again

1056
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we encourage you to check that out. You're gonna see

1057
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,000
other unique content, other interviews Dan is doing by video.

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We'll put those on the YouTube Chanel channel. Be subscribed,

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Be subscribed and you get an automatic notification when something

1060
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,119
is new on the channel as well. So great stuff

1061
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,559
with that for the pot audience. Thank you for hanging

1062
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make sure you're following and subscribing YouTube audience. Thank you, Dan.

1063
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Have a great rest of the Memorial Day weekend. Everybody

1064
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remember what the holiday is all about. It is kind

1065
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of somber, but you also want to celebrate the remembrance

1066
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and the lives of those that we've lost as well

1067
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on the holiday. I had a great time talking fights tonight.

1068
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Thank you for accommodating me, and thank you to the

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YouTube audience as well. Dan, anything else, are we good?

1070
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Speaker 2: Yourself? A good weekend? Going join you.

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Speaker 1: As well, And yes, Mission Impossible movie in the Reef's household,

1072
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like a lot of other people coming tomorrow. Can't get

1073
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that done tonight, but coming to morrow, Big Dan. Thank

1074
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you Caleb plant Week for his main event later this week,

1075
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as well as some other fights hanging there for us.

1076
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And we've been with you tonight on the YouTube channel

1077
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with the Fight Preaks Tonight Recap podcast and show. The

1078
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,719
pod audience, thank you for being with us as well.

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Good Night,