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Speaker 1: Don't be nervous.

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Speaker 2: Top Lobster Productions. Another episode of Straight Bible The Interview Sessions.

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We got a really special interview today. He couldn't be

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here in person. He could a couple of weeks ago,

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but I was a little tied up with Bella's graduation

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and some other stuff and the boys were busy. The

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story goes on and on, but we really wanted to

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get the guy in to talk about his book, The

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epica Esau. You guys know who I'm talking about, Doc

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Brown aka Prometheus Lens. We're happy to have him in

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here today, even though we couldn't do it in studio,

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but we want to really deep dive on Doc, his

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life and his book. So thanks for coming in. Doc.

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Speaker 3: Hey, man, I appreciate you having me. Yeah, that was

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actually funny. I hate that I missed you because I

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brought you some goodies too, that I brought you that

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book and some stickers and stuff. But the guys called

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you up and we had a little live Collie in there. Man,

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I hate I missed you.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're like that. They're kind of like the Big

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Brother podcast, right, Nefflin de Squad is the Big Brother podcast.

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The Straight Bible so they're kind of like, our friends

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aren't your friends. You can't show up when we got

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people here.

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Speaker 1: So it's actually written on the rules right there if

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you read them, Matt.

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Speaker 2: But they're there. Those are good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you texted me that and you said, yeah, they

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told me, Yeah, our friends are not your friends, Matt. Yeah,

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I'm your friend, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I like that. They're very clear. No, I appreciate it.

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And as soon as I got the book, I got

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right into it. And then that's why I was like, bro,

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we got to talk. Man. I like some of these

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concepts in here that you unpacked with, like Adam and

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Eve as opposed to the humans created and Genesis one

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that's an intriguing topic. The canaanable story, the potential for

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like an actual human sacrifice is an intriguing topic. Lamec

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who kills them in seven generations later as an intriguing topic.

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So I wanted to get into all of it. But

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can you just give everybody maybe like a little bit

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of a story about who you are and like what

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your background is and maybe when you got into the

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Bible and even if you like grew up in church

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because you're from Tennessee's a lot of people are probably

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like church goers in Tennessee, like maybe when it became

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real and just kind of tell your story a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Uh yeah, I'm just a nine to five

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knuckle dragger for the majority of my life. But yeah,

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I grew up in the hills of East Tennessee. My

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whole life grew up in church, and uh, but it

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was kind of like you know, missionary Southern Baptists. So

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it was all the little bit we talked about Genesis six.

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It was the good line of Seth breeding with the

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the Houchi Mama line of Cain and made spiritually wicked

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you know people, Uh that sort of thing. Esau. He

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was just like your Harry back to uncle that goes

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to the pool parties, you know, that sort of thing.

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But like anybody, I mean, I had my rebellious stage

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and stuff like that and kind of got out of church.

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Once I got sixteen and got the keys to the

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car and got some freedom. I went a little wild,

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you know, but ended up coming back. It was probably

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around I don't know, twenty twelve. I had bumped into

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this guy named Trey Smith from God in a Nutshell.

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He was talking about you know, angels breeding with women

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and making neffholom giants, you know, and just all this

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kind of woo woo crazy stuff that was supposedly in

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our Bible. And I'm like, man, this dude's a liar.

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He's just making up stuff for clicks. So I was like,

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I know my Bible. Well, I always loved the Bible.

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I was actually that annoying kid that loved history and

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loved the Bible. Asked him mutan questions, probably got on

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the teacher's nerves. So I was like, nah, I must

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prove this dude wrong. And it actually got me looking

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through the Bible again, and yeah, man, he opened my

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eyes to a whole new world. And was never the

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guy that liked to read. I didn't read anything that

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I wasn't made to read. I was at C plus

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average guy and worked in a factory to support my family.

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And something happened, due to just a flip of a

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switch happened. I started reading, couldn't stop reading, learning all

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this stuff, and realized really quickly, man, I did not

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know this book as well as I thought I did,

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and it was a lot more supernatural than any DC

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Marvel comic book or movie. And started doing podcasts, you know,

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talking on Facebook, doing little videos on Facebook. And next

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thing you know, it's me and my buddy started doing

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it and we donet That show was actually called the

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dig Bible Podcast. That's kind of where I got my

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reps in.

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Speaker 2: When did you start that?

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Speaker 3: That was two thousand and twenty one or twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twelve, is when you came across the dude that

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it's funny how like you're explaining is like a lot

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of people who have a good effect on our life,

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initially they offend us, right, like you're seeing like first

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started saying that You're like, bro, no, you're you're You're

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definitely wrong. But then it forced you to dig into

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it and then you say, oh man, actually this guy's right.

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So nine years and then you just keep going hard

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after God, you're really serious about it, and then and

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then you start the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's the thing is like I started doing

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that and I don't know, God just kind of talked

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to me one day and like I said, all that

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happened and within that nine year span, I started going

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back to church, started getting more serious about it. But

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then then God was just kind of like, you know, hey,

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you're stalking all this cool, interesting stuff up, but to

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what end? You know, how are you using it to

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edify me or grow the kingdom? You know? How are

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you giving back with this information? And so yeah, we

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started the dig Bible podcast and found out real quick man,

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that I was a hell of a lot more into

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it than my buddies were. So I ended up starting

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another channel called the Prometheus Lens. I've been doing that

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show two years now. Uh. And then I wrote my

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first book, and all praise to God. Man, at the

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first year, I got all my finances in order and

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paid off a lot of debt and got to where

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I could sacrifice some money for my passion. So first

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of the year, I've been doing this full time. Man,

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I'm blessed and highly favored.

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Speaker 2: So what's the idea behind the name of Prometheus Lens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something I catch a lot of shit for,

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even to this day.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. So I don't know. I wouldn't

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be just step on a very sensitive subject.

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Speaker 3: Is Oh yeah, they boys know they've heard me cry

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about it. They break out the violin and the cheese here.

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But no, I've always been guilty of being a little esoteric,

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you know, uh, and looking too deep into things sometimes.

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But Prometheus, he was a Greek Titan from mythology, and

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he was part of the first gods, and then the

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children rose up and over threw the parent gods. Prometheus

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chose to side with the young ones. And the way

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his story goes is he steals fire from Zeus and

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gives it to humanity. So a lot of people view

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him as like a Satan character. You know, he is

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the divine rebel that took something and gave it to humanity,

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like the fallen angels did at Genesis six, according to

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the Book of Enoch. But then on the other side

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of it, I mean, what I love about him is

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like it's on how you look at him. So one

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side of the fence you can look at him that way,

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but on the other side of the fence you can

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look at him as almost a christ figure. He's the

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benefactor of man and for what he does for mankind

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ultimately causes him to be crucified. He's, you know, chained

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to the Caucasus mountains to be tortured for the rest

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of his life for his deeds for humanity. But so

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I told people, I'm like well, man, to me, the

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Bible you know, tells us or Jesus actually says, my

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people suffer from lack of knowledge, and a lot of

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us are ignorant, and we just sit back and listen

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to our sermon and go home. We're not good for ends.

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that sort of thing. So it's like, man, I want

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to steal the fire, which is symbolic for the knowledge,

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and give it to the kingdom for the use of

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the kingdom, because you know, it says that what the

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devil means for harm, God uses for the good to

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all who love him. So I'm like, we're gonna steal

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that fire and that's symbolic for the knowledge, and I'm

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going to give it to God's people to whom he

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says they suffer from the lack of and try to

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use it to fight fire with fire, so to speak.

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So it's kind of you know, double entendre, you know,

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esoteric kind of stuff behind the name. There.

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Speaker 2: One thing I don't like about the chat now is

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they read my mind. Dude, Like FJ. Full literally just

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took the words out of my mouth, but he knew

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what I was going to say, man, under the Pure,

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all things are pure, and like Guardians of the Galaxy

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or Avengers, like I watched these movies, like I know

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this stuff is tied to the occult ultimately, but under

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the pure, all things are pure, and we see these

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stories like we know that the Avengers are this fighting

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force on planet Earth that stands between like an enemy

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from the unseen realm that will destroy humanity if the

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Avengers don't step in and stop it. Which that is

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a great picture of the church, a much better picture

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of the Church than you get most Sunday mornings with

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the building with the cross on it, right, So it's

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like there is some of these things that under the pure,

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all things are pure, and we can kind of take

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these stories and use them. So yeah, I like that.

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because it's tied to the occult or to like fallen

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angels and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I get it. I think that's cool venerating a fallen God,

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you know. But what I think is funny is I

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try to be humble man, you know, because I am

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I'm a nobody. But it's like if I have a

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show and I'm dedicating hours of study time and producing

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this show and doing all this stuff. And I am

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a researcher too. It's like people get in the chat

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be like, don't you realize you're venerating a fallen God?

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name like that, you know, and things like that. I'm like, no,

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I never looked up Prometheus. I never knew nothing about him.

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I just thought it's a cool name and to name

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my show. But thank you for enlightening me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, looked into it. Yeah, how want go? Did

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you write the book? Because the book crushes I'm like

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halfway through. I'm almost halfway through. Uh, and it's already

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brought up a lot of intriguing topics, man, a lot

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of really cool viewpoints that would be considered like alternative views,

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when did you finish it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, when I started the book, I was working

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full time in a factory, and so I was just

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kind of having to piece it together when I could,

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you know. So it took me almost two years to

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finish the book, and I actually made the mistake of

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going on a bunch of shows and laying out all

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my research and stuff like that, you know, as I

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was writing the book, so it was like this slow

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build up. As a Raven was talking about on our show,

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he said, I was edging for two years and then

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finally got to pull the trigger. So but I started

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the book. I'm trying to think. It's been out now

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almost a little over a year and a half. I

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released it the first of the year, year before last,

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so it's had some time to breathe and now I've

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started on my second one. But so yeah, it's it's

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almost two years old now, working on two years. But

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Speaker 2: And it reads like you like you talk and texted

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's one of those things too. I've gotten

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a lot of, you know, praise for people say that

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listen to my show. They're like, man, I hear you

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Speaker 2: And I love the country grammar.

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Speaker 3: Hey let me fix my camera, guys, maybe Top can

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help me with this, because he's the big tech guy

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how do I turn off those stupid emojis? I do,

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Oh you did it and the thumbs up yeah, and

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it freezes my screen every single time.

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Speaker 1: Oh I turned that on. La Marzouli has that problem too.

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I don't know what kind of camera you got there,

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but if I'm in Tennessee, I'll check it out for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's something to do with the software. But

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it's like every time I'm on stream yard that this

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Speaker 2: Will it fixed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I just have to sockle the camera on and off.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, do your thing, man, And then I really

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want to get into some of these topics in the book. Dude,

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some of this stuff is wild.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's see.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, while he's figuring that out, what are

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Speaker 2: What are you up to? Exactly? On his book? Well,

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we're in the story of I don't know where to

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start at. I don't want to like ruin it and

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get out of order. But he's got a really intriguing

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concept of like what exactly happened with canaan Abel, Like

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the book he's saying potentially Abel was like the first

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human sacrifice bro that Caine. Okay, Doc's back, Let's let

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him explain it, Doc, can we can we jump right

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into like your explanation or your take or your hypothesis

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on potentially what could have been what actually took place

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your point, like so many stories in the Bible. We

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read it like the canaan Abel story all happened one

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afternoon between like three pm and five pm. You want

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to go ahead and break that down the way you

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explain it in the book of what potentially could have

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been happening in that story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and me, I try to give you know, credit

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where it's due. And like I said, this was my

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first book, so I didn't know about you know, footnotes

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and that and all this other kind of stuff. But

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I did put like in the back of the book

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a list of books that I had read or referenced

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or was in influenced by and tried to in the book.

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so hey, I found this out from such and such

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and that that was one of those. I actually had

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read a book from this guy named Tim Stedman, and

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I was trying to look back here at my book,

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sheelf to see if I can find that it is.

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It's Answers Answers to Giant Questions by t J. Steedman.

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That's where I first got exposed to that idea of

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the first sacrifice, and that blew my mind. And it

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kind of tied into this story as I was talking about,

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you know, serpent Seed and how that come about. But

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TJ had basically went through some of the original languages

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and the etymology of the words and kind of walked

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us through that whole ordeal. And he brought up something

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that I had never thought of. But we do when

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we read these books, we try to read them, you know, chronologically,

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and when we read what happened with canaan Able, it

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seems like it all happened in one day, but you

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know it didn't. These books were written, you know, thousands

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of years later looking back, you know, like an ESPN

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highlight reel. You know, it wasn't a play by play.

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So he brought that up, and I'm like, man, that's

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a good point. So it wasn't just one day they

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show up and they try to offer their sacrifices and

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different things like that, and this his wasn't accepted, and

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he went off and killed his brother. You know, this

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probably took place, you know, through many years or maybe

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even decades. We don't know, but we would have to

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assume that this took some time. You know, resentment to

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build up, and and I talk about that in the book.

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commentary to it, you know, like first person point of

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view from Cain. And so I'm talking. I'm like, yeah,

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you know, you're out in the field and bent over

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and shoveling sow and seed and manure and fertilizer. You know,

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it's it's hard work being a farmer man. And here

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he is, you know, pouring sweat and sunburnt neck and

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blistered hands from you know, holding the plow all day.

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the field. Uh, he's a shepherd. So he's just out

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there sitting under a shade tree with his flock hanging out,

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having a good old time, and that resentment starts building,

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you know, so I kind of go through and lay

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that out there is God, I hate him. He just

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gets to set you know, in the shade and watch

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sheep all day. Why break my back and my offerings

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keep getting refused. I can't stand that guy, you know,

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and kind of you know, puts you in his shoes

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and showed you maybe how this kind of could have

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played out. But when you get to that sacrifice though, uh,

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and the etymology and the words and things like that,

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it lays it out and it used sacrificial terminology. And

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there's one point where it talks about, you know, when

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he spills his blood. It says in Genesis that the

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the mouth you know, of the ground of the earth

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open its mouth and to receive the blood like it

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was drinking it. And when you go back and you

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look at some of the gods and the beliefs and

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stuff of the people, you know, they believed in this

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god called mot and he was the god of death,

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and it talks about his bottom lip, you know, would

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drag the ground of the earth, and his upper lip

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would be up into the heavens and he would just

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devour everything. He had, this you know, insessatiable appetite. He

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couldn't you know, be put to bed. He was just

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so hungry and so death. It's just this all devouring

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type thing and made it look like, you know, he

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was a sacrifice to the god of death, and he

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opened his mouth and accepted it. So therefore, when you

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look at all the fertility rights and things like that,

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that's exactly what this looks like. You are spilling blood

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onto the ground as like a fertility ritual because why

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because his crops wasn't blessed, so he was turning to

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a god that would bless him.

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Speaker 2: And it's part of this bigger picture that you do

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a really good job of bringing out that, Like Israel,

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you know, we look at Israel and we go, how

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did they not believe these signs and wonders coming from God,

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coming from Yahweh? And your point is that, like they

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were always around these false gods as well, who were

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showing them false signs and wonders, and so they like

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we lose sight of that if we're just reading the

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story not understanding that those false gods are always in

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the mix. There's always another false God that they could

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be sacrificing to, There's always another false God that could

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be blessing them. And it makes sense as you read

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the story, like you're saying with Cana and Abel, but

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also kind of all through the history of Israel, they're

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constantly worshiping God plus. Like we talked about on the

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show a lot, you can't worship Jesus plus Like this

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isn't about like worshiping Jesus plus the saints or Jesus

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plus good works or Jesus plus you know, go ahead

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and name whatever you want to name. But yeah, So

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it's an intriguing concept. Is that? So ultimately that like

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Cain is slaving away the ground is not really producing

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for him what he wants. So he ultimately decides to

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turn to a false god and offer able as a

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human sacrifice, hoping that it's going to in fact bless

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him from this false god. And you bring up the

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point that like typically when people do that does the

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exact opposite. So he does, he sacrifices able to this

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false god, hoping that that will bless him. Now he'll

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have fertile end, and it does the exact opposite to

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him at cursis him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I also use that too because in

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that same scenario, when I do talk about you know,

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serpencyed or I bring that up, a lot of people

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get upset because just like throughout history, a lot of

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people will take true ideas and beliefs, but distort them,

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you know, to get their end goal. You know, so

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like the KKK, the klu klux Klan, Nazi Germany, all

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these other type people had like this serpent seed kind

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of narrative where there is this sub human species that

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are not really humans, so therefore it's okay to you know,

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exterminate them and wipe them out. But here in that instance,

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if we remember, God comes down and reasons with Cain.

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You know, so if he and I believe he was

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a serpent seed. So if he was a serpent seed, what.

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Speaker 2: Do you mean he was a seed? What can you

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unpack that a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people in our space they are

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in line with Genesis six. They have no problem you

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know with angels coming down breeding with the daughters of

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men making a hybrid race. You know, people in our

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space anyway, they're okay with that. Well, I think it

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happens before.

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Speaker 2: Then you think Satan actually boned Eve is what you're

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getting at. Yeah, okay, so you think that like Adam

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bones Eve and Satan bones Eve. That's what that whole

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exchange is with the three of them. And then Abel

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is the son of Adam and Cain is the son Satan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's an allegory for a sexual act,

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and it could be you know, physical, you know. And

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I say this in the book because I don't know,

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but I know all the symbolism and signs and scripture

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throughout support the idea. But we can say, oh, was

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it physical or oh was it spiritual seed? Or was

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it both? I mean, it could have been either or

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But I think that the groundworks there because, like you said,

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the cursings and the opposites, that's something that's a common theme.

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They partake of this tree, and it says in the

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English and some of the English as it says that

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they ate well that that same Hebrew word throughout the

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Old Testament is also translated to enjoys. So she partakes

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of this tree and in joys, and then her husband

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he too enjoys. So and then after this what happens

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they cover their sexual reproductive organs. Right. And I had

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this woman, doctor Joypugh. She's the one that kind of

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exposed me to this worldview. She has this story that

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I always use because I think it's the best analogy

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I've ever heard. But she was like, we weren't allowed

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to have cookies before supper, but we had a jar

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above the refrigerator. She said, when my mother wasn't paying attention,

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we would sneak and steal cookies. She said, one time

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mother was out of the kitchen, we snuck up their

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stole a cookie, and mother walked in and called us

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eating the cookies. She said, you know what we done,

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She said, we covered our mouth because she said, that's

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where the sin was, that's where the transgression was. That's

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what we were ashamed of and wanted to hide. She said,

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So that's what happened there in the garden. They covered

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what they were trying to hide and ashamed of, because

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that's what they were doing. And then she said, look

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at the curses. The curses always correlate to the crime.

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She said. They're all about sexual reproduction. The woman would

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be cursed with painful child bearing, the one would be

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cursed with painful menstruations. He would put enmity between her

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seed and thy seed, talking to the serpent, so the

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serpent has a seed. And then the names, the etymology

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of the names. Cain's name means acquired because he was acquired,

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and then Abel's name, his name means breath, because like

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his father, was a lifeless being until the breath of

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God entered his body. And then later, you know what happens.

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They're kicked out of the garden the other's enmity between

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the two seeds, all right, one kills the other. And

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then when Seth comes along, the etymology of his name

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means the replacement. Well, who was he replacing? He was

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replacing abel Adam's truson And it even says, you know,

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Seth was in the similitude of his father. So yeah,

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that's that whole you know, serpent seed thing. But that's

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why I was saying this, just that I tell people

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I think he was. But I don't think it's just

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the blood that that condemns him. It's our free will actions.

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Because God tries to reason with him, you know, right right,

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will you not succeed? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your point. So even if him being

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in that state, the serpent seed, if you will, God

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still reasons with him and still tries to give him

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an out, tries to help him out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was just the blood that, you know,

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it condemned him. I think it's a major factor, you know,

475
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because it talks about the sins of the father traveled

476
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down to the third and fourth generations and generational curses,

477
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that sort of thing. If your father's a drunk, you know,

478
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you have a high likelihood of partaking in alcohol, but

479
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you can you have the free will choice to break

480
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that chain. And that's kind of how I see that.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting too the way the Book of

482
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Hebrews breaks it down, because we were talking about it.

483
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I think maybe you guys brought it up with that

484
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meebry or something, and so it had come up where

485
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we were talking about that passage to where in Hebrews

486
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says that Abele's sacrifice was brought by faith, and it

487
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draws the distinction between the two sacrifices that implying that

488
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Caines wasn't brought by faith, but Ables was brought by faith.

489
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But it's just I don't know, man, the way you

490
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unpacked it where it was actually like a sacrifice, you know,

491
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how it had unfolded for a long time, and that

492
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the hope was that by sacrificing his brother this would

493
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bless him. And then let's just keep rolling with the story,

494
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because I feel like the more you want back at

495
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the crazier it gets Man. Then so then a Caine

496
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gets put on a mark, sorry, a Market's put on Caine.

497
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And then so where does the story go from there?

498
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Can you kind of unpack that all the way through

499
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to lamec Yeah, and see me, like I said many times,

500
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you know on my show, if your listeners ever listened

501
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,839
to my stuff, I repeat a lot of stuff because

502
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I think it's important and I forget.

503
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Speaker 3: Stuff, so I got to repeat it for my self too.

504
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,799
But you have to go outside of the biblical can

505
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,720
for a better cultural and historical understanding of this Bible,

506
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because like I said earlier, it was written looking back.

507
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,200
You're getting the highlight reel, and Genesis six to us

508
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,200
was a big deal, you know. But in Genesis you

509
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,599
just get this little blurb, you know, and that little

510
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,160
blurb is all you get, and we're like, whoa, we

511
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want some more contexts. But I think the writers were

512
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just like, there's no sense in beating a dead horse here.

513
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Everybody knows about Genesis six. Everybody's read the scroll of Enoch,

514
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you know, and all the things they was thinking of

515
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us thousands of years later.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they casually mentioned to it. Jude and Peter both

517
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do they kind of casually make mentioned to the story,

518
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assuming that everybody already knows what they're talking about.

519
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of these other extra biblical books

520
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,599
and texts, and even some of these commentaries from some

521
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,680
of these ancient rabbis and stuff fill in the gaps

522
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and some of those stories, and reading through Rabbi Rashi

523
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,319
and some of his I got his. He's got like

524
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a five book series of commentaries of the Targums and

525
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,039
the mid Rashes and different things like that. He's the

526
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first one that I got exposed to this idea. And

527
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the way it goes is according to Rashie. You know,

528
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he says that when Caine's kicked out, you know he's

529
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given this this mark, he's afraid of people going to

530
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kill him. And my first question was, well, who's the

531
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afraid of?

532
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Speaker 2: It's just them same I always wondered that too, man, like,

533
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like what's happening in this story if all we know

534
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is like Cain, we know Adam Eve Cain and abel

535
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Able's gone, like who's out there? And then if it

536
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really does push you to understand, like, Okay, the Garden

537
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,759
of Eden wasn't planted earth. The Garden of Eden was

538
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the garden of Eden, but like something else. Especially if

539
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Adam's being told to work and guard the garden, that's

540
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his instructions. What's he guarding it from. There's clearly there's

541
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something else out there.

542
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so when I went back to Genesis and

543
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got to rereading that, we kind of talked about it

544
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pre roll a little bit. But there was two creations

545
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of mankind. And when I read that, you know, it

546
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said that on day six, you know, the elohem said,

547
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let us make man in our image. The plural language

548
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there that you know, in my opinion, that's the divine council.

549
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And then after that you get the story of Adam

550
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and Eve being created. And I was always told, oh,

551
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this is just the same story retold but with more detail.

552
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But it contradicts itself, if that's the case, because in

553
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there it says when that Adam was made, he was

554
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made before there was any vegetation on the ground. Well,

555
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:01,519
vegetation was laid out on day three mm hmm. So

556
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880
these day six people, you know, because it says male

557
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and female, he created them, right, So this is basically

558
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the general population. So when Adam was kicked out, he

559
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,240
was getting put into the general population. With those Day

560
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six people, and it seems like that.

561
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Speaker 2: It seems like that I could see that too. There's

562
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other discrepancies too, I think right, because not just the

563
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:28,440
plant material, but man is the last thing created on

564
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Day six. Animals have already been created. And Adam's story

565
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he makes Adam. Then he brings all that animals forth

566
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and has Adam name them. He brings the animals out

567
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of the ground and names them, So it's an opposite order.

568
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Whereas in chapter one there's animals, then man. With Adam,

569
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there's atom made, and then he brings the animals. Then

570
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after Adam goes, oh, Man, I don't know. I can't

571
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really get down with any of this stuff. I don't

572
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even if the goats look good. Yeah, that's not my thing, man,

573
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And then he finally says, okay, here's woman. He goes, yeah,

574
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now this is bone in my bone and flesh and

575
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my flesh. There's like an opposite order. And like the

576
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thing we were talking about pre roll was in chapter

577
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one it says, God bless them. We'll just read it.

578
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I'll just read it starting in Genesis one twenty six,

579
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and God said, let us make man in our image

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after our likeness and let them have dominion over the

581
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fish of the sea, and over the faul of the air,

582
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and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and

583
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over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. So

584
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God created man in his own image, and the image

585
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of God created he him male and female created he them.

586
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And God blessed them. And God said unto them, be

587
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fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth and subdue it,

588
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and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and

589
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over the fall of the air, and over every living

590
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thing that moves upon the earth. And so it does

591
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seem a little interesting, he says in verse twenty seven. Sorry,

592
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verse twenty eight, He tells him to be fruitful and

593
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multiply and replenish the earth. And it is intriguing. I've

594
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heard people do a deep dive on if you want

595
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to call it the gap theory or whatever. In the beginning,

596
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God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth

597
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was without form and void, and darkness was upon the

598
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face of the deep, and the spirit of God hovered

599
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upon the water. And so the water's already there because

600
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he doesn't start creating until the next verse, where he says,

601
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let there be light, and so you have water that's

602
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already existing, and some people take that to be a flood,

603
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,079
that the earth was flooded. There was an angelic rebellion,

604
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,039
the earth was flooded in that time, and that's where

605
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,319
we're starting off. And that's why he would say right here, replenish,

606
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:31,079
like replenish as opposed to like start from nothing. Something

607
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,960
else already happened. There was a worldwide flood before that,

608
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and that's why he gives the same instruction replenished, the

609
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same instruction he gives the Noah when he gets off

610
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the arc. So there's a lot. I don't know, man,

611
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
there's just so much going on in Genesis one, two,

612
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and three that I don't think it is just as

613
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simple as like Sunday school understanding on a lot of

614
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this stuff.

615
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Speaker 3: No And I think when you tie in the other comparative,

616
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you know, mythologies and comparative you know, religious beliefs and

617
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,759
stuff of the world. I think that feels in the

618
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,960
games because a lot of the religions of the world

619
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talk about, you know, this being the third or third

620
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,200
world or forth world or fifth you know, and they

621
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,480
talk about all these cycles that time is seclicer, and

622
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,240
to me that makes sense. You know, maybe our Bible

623
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,359
just records this, you know, last cycle and the current

624
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,799
one that we're in, because even all the other ones

625
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,400
talk about floods. You know, there's giants, you know, the

626
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,839
God gets angry, eliminates the giants floods of the earth.

627
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,599
A lot of the times, they build a tall tower afterwards,

628
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:33,519
you know. And they have all these these cycles. But

629
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,759
what's funny is all of them, the Native Americans, the

630
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,680
Meso Americans in India, all of them have these cycle

631
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,559
times of life and destruction, but they all end with fire,

632
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:50,480
just like our book does. So I think that's kind

633
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,839
of a key component there. But yeah, there's another big

634
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,519
thing here too.

635
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that jumps out, is like everything's

636
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:01,079
spoken into existence in chapter one just like man, like

637
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:02,960
he says, let us make man in our image, in

638
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,680
our likeness. So he created man. But then when it

639
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,640
gets into Adam and says he formed man of the

640
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,000
dust of the ground, and then verse eight says there

641
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,880
he put the man whom he had formed. So it

642
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,039
just looks like it's two different stories. It just this

643
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,960
is like this is anything too crazy or anybody's trying

644
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,640
to get heretical. It just seems if you're just a

645
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,720
common person with no Bible background, didn't go to cemetery school,

646
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:28,279
you're just some common man reading a Bible, you'd say, huh,

647
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,160
this seems like two different stories. But then when you

648
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,599
go to church they tell you no, no, it's all

649
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,279
one story. But if you're just a normal person reading it,

650
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,279
you'd say, this looks like two different stories.

651
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. And even how you can see the names change,

652
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,640
you know how the first few chapters, God is referred

653
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,200
to as Elohem, Elohem, Elohem, and then right around the

654
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,440
time of the expulsion from the garden, the divine name

655
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:56,200
is inserted, you know, the Jodey bob Hey. I'm a

656
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,799
firm believer in what they call the documentary hypothesis. A

657
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:03,240
lotus scholars looked at that, and they took the opinion

658
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:09,400
that Moses was like a documentarian, like either they already

659
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,119
had a creation story already recorded and written down, or

660
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,679
in the very least, a strong oral tradition. And they

661
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,320
had all these stories and traditions already laid out, and Moses,

662
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,639
you know, compiled them and put them together into like

663
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,440
one flowing narrative. Because to me that that really stood

664
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,760
out because like the serpent seed, I bring up all

665
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,000
that stuff, and I bring up you know, John even saying,

666
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,920
you know, Caine was of the wicked one. Jesus tells

667
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,119
the Pharisees, you know, they are a brud of vipers.

668
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,280
They are of their father, the devil, who was a

669
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murderer from the beginning. You know, all these different verses,

670
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,760
and people will throw up that one verse where they're

671
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,039
kicked out of the garden and where Eve makes this

672
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,239
special proclamation. That's the one verse everybody tries to use

673
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against me.

674
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

675
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Speaker 3: But when you use that documentary hypothesis, I think it

676
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,280
kind of puts it to bed because she said, well,

677
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,920
when she, you know, delivers them. It says that Adam

678
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:16,559
knew his wife and she bore Cain and then again

679
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:22,079
she bore able. Well, bore just means delivered. So I'm

680
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:26,159
saying a seed was germinated in the garden, and then

681
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,079
when Adam knew his wife, another seed was germinated. And

682
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,679
we know through science. I mean it's called a super

683
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,639
hyper functation or some kind of big word like that,

684
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but a woman can get pregnant with twins by two

685
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:39,519
different poles like.

686
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Speaker 2: I just saw that in the news or somethime like

687
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somebody's posted that that some chick did get pregnant with

688
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,880
twins with two different dads. But okay, but what about

689
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,079
back to this Moses hypothesis thing. I'm under the impression

690
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,480
that all scripture is breathed by God, so that God

691
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,719
had spoken to Moses and that's when he wrote it.

692
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,159
Are you saying something different than that that he like

693
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,960
gathered information from other Uh, I don't know, other nations

694
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,400
or other backgrounds or other cultures and kind of tied

695
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,599
it together or.

696
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,679
Speaker 3: We'll see me. I don't And here's the thing, like

697
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,400
when I read that account and it comes to that,

698
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,119
we said at knew his wife and she bore Cane,

699
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,320
then again bore Abel. When she bore Cane, she had

700
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,760
this special proclamation just for Kane, not for Able. But

701
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,280
she says, I have acquired this man, which that's the

702
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,039
etymology of his name anyway. You know, he said, I

703
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,559
have acquired this man through the help of the Lord,

704
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,599
you know, the olde have av he the divine name.

705
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,639
And people was like, oh, well there you go. Uh

706
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,679
those other twenty verses you just threw up this one

707
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,559
cancels out that whole mound of evidence that she had

708
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,920
stockpiled there because Eve says that she got came from

709
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,239
the Lord. And then but I noticed that was like

710
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:57,360
one of the first changes. It's like, we're told Moses

711
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,920
wrote the first five books of the Bibles. What we're

712
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,800
holding church right, Uh, the text doesn't come right out

713
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
and say that Moses wrote out the five text. That's

714
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,440
kind of a teaching, a doctrine of man or the church.

715
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,280
But that's what I was always told. But Moses had

716
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,599
the divine name. He was the first one to get it.

717
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,440
And so if Moses wrote all this, then his name

718
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,159
he would have been using the divine name because he

719
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,480
had it. So it's like if I'm an author of

720
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,800
a book and I'm writing a book about Matt, and

721
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,679
I'm like, Matt woke up this morning, brushed his teeth,

722
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,719
took a shower, and went to work. After a hard

723
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,840
day's work, come home, eight supper, Physity with his kids,

724
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,519
went to sleep. But then the next morning, Jesse gets

725
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,800
up and brushes his teeth and takes a shower and

726
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,960
goes to work just like he did the day before.

727
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:47,639
You're going to be like well, yeah, why did the

728
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,679
name change in the middle of the story, because I

729
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,679
think that I think it signals two authors. Interesting, if Moses,

730
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,039
Moses had the divine name, he would have used it.

731
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,639
So to me, it signals that whether I'm not saying

732
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,639
that he stole from other nations, I mean I think

733
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,360
it could have been very well their story. You know

734
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,360
that they had written down it was theirs. It just

735
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,199
it wasn't you know, written down into like a unified document,

736
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,000
you know, kind of like at three twenty five AD.

737
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,800
You know, they had all these scrolls and they decided

738
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,599
to unify them into one document, to which what we

739
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,280
call the Bible today. I think that something like that

740
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,440
happened with Moses. That they had either oral traditions that

741
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,480
were established and passed down for generations or maybe even

742
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
written down, and then he took them and put them

743
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,800
all together and made it one story, kind of like

744
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,199
what the Church fathers did at the Council of Nicia,

745
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:45,880
or in the very least, that was the first edit,

746
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,639
you know that Moses, you know, added in the divine

747
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,440
name there or that's where he picked up the story himself.

748
00:38:55,039 --> 00:39:00,119
But yeah, they call that the the documentary hypothesis, and

749
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,199
so I tell people, like if when I read that,

750
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,519
if we stick with the original name, I think it

751
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,679
originally said, uh, I have acquired this man through the

752
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,239
help of the Eloheim, because before this it was always Elohem.

753
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,000
In the beginning, the Elohem created the heavens and the earth.

754
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,400
The Eloheim said, let us make man in our image,

755
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,840
and I can be plural talking about the divine council

756
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,840
as well. So I tell people, I think the original

757
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,960
said I have acquired this man through the help of

758
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,559
the Eloheim. So then I asked that question, well, which loheim?

759
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? That which is in USh? Yeah, because the Eloheim

760
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:41,199
can be any spirit, realmanities like that. But it is

761
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,119
a name that God uses of himself too, which is

762
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,960
intriguing because the L is singular and the I AM's plural,

763
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
which is intriguing if you're talking about the god head,

764
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,280
it's singular and it's plural. But that's yeah, that's an

765
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,199
interesting take too.

766
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: Man.

767
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: So okay, so now we're rolling with canaan abel. Let's

768
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,960
get into where like abel Uh dies, the blood cries out,

769
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,800
and then Kan gets a mark put on him before

770
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,119
he goes out into the earth. We kind of just unpacked,

771
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,159
like what we think could potentially be out there. It's

772
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,199
all these you're you're saying that, like the people created

773
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,199
in Genesis one, those are all the people out on

774
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,079
planet Earth outside the garden. Now Kin is outside the garden,

775
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,400
and what like, what's your take on the mark that

776
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
he's got? Because this is where it gets good too.

777
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:23,920
I like this.

778
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I got to reading some of these

779
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:31,960
other you know, ridings and stuff, Rabbi Rashi he had

780
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,400
talked to his writings that he believed that the mark

781
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,920
was that he was covered in hair and given a horn. Oh,

782
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,199
so he was worried about them killing him. So God

783
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,880
made him look like this you know, beast with a horn.

784
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,960
That way, nobody would try to kill him. They'd stay

785
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,880
away from him. They'd be scared of him basically, which.

786
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,559
Speaker 2: Is kind of a thing like people should be careful

787
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,559
to stay away from horny dudes. Is kind of the

788
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:00,840
lesson learned in that.

789
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the bull you get the horn for real.

790
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,400
So yeah, and that story though, Yeah, he's like, that's

791
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,239
why you know, he was, you know, so worried about

792
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,039
being killed because he looked like this, this hairy beast

793
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,519
of a man, and it's kind of like God's calling

794
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,559
card for cursing, because he did the same thing to Nebekinezzer.

795
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,519
You remember it says that his hair grew as long

796
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,880
as eagles feathers. Yeah, all that stuff. So it's like

797
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,119
kind of like God's calling card he curses people to

798
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:35,559
be like a wild man kind of. And Rabbi Rashi

799
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,039
says that he also thinks that it was a misinterpretation of,

800
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,119
you know, the Time seven curse, because if we remember

801
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,719
in Genesis we have limec Limet comes home and he's like, oh,

802
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,159
I killed a man, and in my anger, I killed

803
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:52,639
a youth.

804
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,679
Speaker 2: You know. Let me let me read that. Let me

805
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,000
read that.

806
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

807
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you kind of unpack it because you brought

808
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,719
up a great point too that this is where I

809
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,639
forget what the word is. But it's the practice of

810
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,880
having more than one wife. What do you call it.

811
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, polygamy.

812
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,599
Speaker 2: It starts with this dude lamec right, because God's intention,

813
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,880
like from the jump, because I remember Jess was always like, dude,

814
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,400
I don't like this whole thing with the dudes in

815
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,239
the Bible having multiple wives and stuff. And I was

816
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,679
always like, yeah, sweet, I don't. I don't know what

817
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,119
happened like in the beginning, was supposed to be Adam

818
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,199
and Eve like like from from uh and I would

819
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,639
argue that the Bible is really at its core of

820
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,039
six thousand year account of the descendants of Adam. There's

821
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,480
some other stuff happening with some other entities that are

822
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:36,400
not descendants of Adam. But uh, you know, Jesus sacrifice

823
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,320
is for the descendants of Adam. You know, It's like uh,

824
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:41,760
top was even talking about on a show last week

825
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
where that like the angels didn't have the opportunity for

826
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,079
salvation the same way that we do. But there's certainly

827
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,679
these other things and other entities in the earth, But ultimately,

828
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,599
the Bible is the story and the six thousand in

829
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:59,440
your account of the descendants of Adam and from and

830
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,679
from the from the beginning, with Adam, it was one man,

831
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,960
one woman. That was a marriage, right, So this is

832
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,400
what it says in Genesis four nineteen, it says, and

833
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Lamech took unto him two wives. The name of the

834
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,079
one was Ada, and the name of the other Zillah.

835
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,719
And Ada bear j ball. He was the father of

836
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,199
such as dwell in tents and such as have cattle.

837
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,119
People got to read the book. People, I don't want

838
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,239
to like be the guy, the corny guy like plugging

839
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,880
the book. But I'm but you really got to read

840
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,320
the book because you do a deep dive on these

841
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,400
names too, and it's really intrigued too. And his brother's

842
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,480
name was Jewbal. He was the father of all such

843
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,239
as handle the harp and organ and zilla. She also

844
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,920
bear tubalcane and instructor of every artificer in brass and iron.

845
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,239
And the sister of tubalcane was Nama. Intriguing that names,

846
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,400
the sister the female. It's it's a good read man.

847
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,719
And Lamex said, unto his wives, ada on zillah, hear

848
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,599
my voice. She wives of Limech, harken unto my speech,

849
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,360
for I have slain a man to my wounding and

850
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,079
a young man to my hurt. If Caine shall be

851
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:02,480
avenged sevenfold, truly, Lamech seventy and sevenfold. I like your

852
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,519
take on that you're what you're seeing unpacked if you

853
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:06,719
want to go ahead and unpack it.

854
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, as far as like you

855
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,760
know the names, I'll leave some of the meat on

856
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,719
the bone. But like one I'll throw out, like name.

857
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,119
You know, in genealogies you don't get women listed if

858
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,559
you do it, I mean they're significant. There's something trying

859
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:23,280
to point out. And her name means fair and calmly,

860
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,199
and if you remember, it says that the angels came

861
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,639
down and bread with the dollars and women or men

862
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,440
because they thought they were fair and calmly.

863
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,519
Speaker 2: They were like that where yeah, yeah, that was an

864
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,199
intriguing thing. You tied together too.

865
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's like and then all of a sudden,

866
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,519
her brothers become these masters of all these different you know,

867
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,760
workings that were taught by the fallen angels. So I

868
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,000
think it's kind of like a nose point there saying hey,

869
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,679
maybe this was you know, one of the first ones

870
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,960
that you know, they traded their sister to the fallen

871
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,360
angels and then there they taught them all these you

872
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,960
know works and taught them to be workers of iron

873
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,559
and all this other kind of stuff. So like they

874
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:08,119
traded her for the knowledge. But yeah, you get that

875
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,320
thing about Lomec And to me, I was like, I

876
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,679
just you know, it's kind of strange. It's just you know,

877
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,119
they throw it out there like he comes home. He's upset,

878
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,119
and he killed somebody and killed a youth to his herd,

879
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,679
and he's going to be cursed, you know, time seventy

880
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,960
but Rashie, he says that, and he got this from

881
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,519
the Midrashes, and they have a tradition and they say

882
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,960
that Lemeck was going blind and his older age, and

883
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,400
that he needed help from his younger son too will

884
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,199
came to hunt, and that he would, you know, basically

885
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,480
point his bow for him and tell him where to shoot,

886
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,599
you know, help him hunt. And that one day out

887
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,119
on the hunt, they saw a beast of the field,

888
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,119
and his son aimed his bow for him and told

889
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,400
him where to shoot, and they shot and killed the beast,

890
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,679
and they get up on it and then lo and behold,

891
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,840
it's not a beast. It's their ancestor Kane. Because where

892
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,840
he had that mark, he was covered in hair and

893
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,639
had this horn. That's why he's he's upset. He just

894
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,679
killed his descendant, and he knew about the cursing also,

895
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,599
so then it says then he turns to his son

896
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,320
and kills his son for the mistake, and then that's

897
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,599
why he goes home and says what he says but

898
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,239
the real funny part was is Roshie says, the misinterpretation

899
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,639
is the cursing time seven. He said, a lot of

900
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,239
people want to look at that and say, oh, they're

901
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,480
just saying if anybody kills Caine, that man's going to

902
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,599
be cursed. Time seven, you know, just you know, a

903
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,760
big number. He said. No, he said, I think what

904
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,119
God was saying there was that the vengeance for Abel's

905
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:53,559
blood would come time seven, So they would come in

906
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:59,000
the seventh generation, which is what gets yes, and when

907
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,119
you count down to the genealogical table there he is

908
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:08,559
the seventh from Adam. So therefore he's fulfilling the prophecy

909
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:09,280
from God. There.

910
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,599
Speaker 2: Okay, But if Keene was like, let's say the mark

911
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,119
that was put on was that he was hairy and

912
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:20,039
he had a horn, surely there would be something else

913
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,880
in like literature or art or something where we would

914
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,800
see this right.

915
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and see so there I was like, okay,

916
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,639
I already think he was a serpent seed. He was

917
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,280
covered in this hair and made, you know, depicted this way.

918
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,440
And then the baseline of my book of Esau, you know,

919
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,719
it's at Genesis twenty five twenty five, it said the

920
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,800
first one came out red, covered in hair from head

921
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,599
to toe like a Harry cloak. And all the ancient

922
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,679
texts point Esau as a serpent seed. You know, there's

923
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,440
texts like Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, and that's

924
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,039
a sixth book series where Lewis Ginsburg gathered all the

925
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:01,559
legends and stories and mythologiesron the Jewish people and compiled

926
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,119
them together. And I'm actually doing a live study reading

927
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,679
of that on my YouTube channel every Sunday at eight

928
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:11,960
o'clock Eastern Standard. I'm going through and reading all these

929
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:19,960
stories and so in there it says that Esau had

930
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,639
a serpent's branding, that his guardian angel was Semi l

931
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,440
It does all these things point to him being this

932
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,519
serpent seed. But like you said, h I was studying

933
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,480
for this book. It actually had a friend sent me

934
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,880
this a shout out to christy uh. He sent me

935
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:43,039
this picture of Michelangelo's from the Sistine Chapel called the

936
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,920
Last Judgment, And in that painting it's you know, showing

937
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,960
you know, basically the Book of Revelation. And so this

938
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,400
is the Last Judgment. You have angels and demons battling

939
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,159
in the heavens, you know, and all this stuff it

940
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,719
just you know, it's it's anarchy. But then at the bottom,

941
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,360
and I think it's weird too, because at the very

942
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,079
bottom left, yeah, right there you go, you have this cave,

943
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:11,920
and in this cave you have too Harry, humanoid top

944
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,000
men that looked like sasquatches.

945
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: How do we get the picture of the horn?

946
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then up top of the one guy, he

947
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,679
has a single unicorn horn on top of his head.

948
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. They just wild up on that ceiling. Dude. We

949
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,880
were in there one time. They go like and everybody

950
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,519
starts talking, and then in Italian they go cialentio and

951
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:37,800
then everybody goes silent for a while and then boom,

952
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,559
everybody just starts talking again, talking and they go sh cialentio.

953
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,679
But it's wild, dude. All the imagery in the Vatican

954
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,199
and on the assisting Chapelin stuff is just wild, bro.

955
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,760
It's just like the craziest stuff man. And I don't know, like, uh,

956
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,559
I don't know, like like who even knows what of

957
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:59,559
history really is what they tell us it is. I

958
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,719
don't know, Just like who, like we ever drill this stuff?

959
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,079
This is wild, man, But that's a that's a little detailed. Yeah,

960
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,199
nobody would see right.

961
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:12,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to me that signals that he was aware

962
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,360
of these other texts that I was reading.

963
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing. Yeah.

964
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:18,079
Speaker 3: I think he put that in there is kind of

965
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,239
like a little easter egg. You know, say, hey, here's

966
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,760
the serpent seed, Esau and Kane, and they're depicted just

967
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,519
like they are in scripture and the other you know, uh,

968
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,760
mythologies or legends or lower of the Jewish people. So

969
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,440
I mean like he put that in there as an

970
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,039
easter egg.

971
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,199
Speaker 2: You know, obviously it would have to be still like

972
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,880
metaphorical or symbolic, right, because if Kin dies right there

973
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,119
from La Mac, if that all holds true, he wouldn't

974
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:43,920
live all the way to the time of Esau. But

975
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,440
he kind of just put him in theres like a

976
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,000
metaphor symbolism or a type that you know, it's because

977
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,559
that because that's your take, right, is that he was

978
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:54,079
he was he put in there, Esau in Kane in

979
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:54,519
the cave.

980
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was depicting the serpent seed in that cave there.

981
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not hiding for judgment, you know. Yeah, Okay,

982
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,400
so it didn't matter that they lived, It didn't live

983
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,800
in the same time period. It's something about the end.

984
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,119
It's the judgment and they're hiding out. These dudes are

985
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:12,639
hairy beast. They're about to get it.

986
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the you know, the serpent seed. And

987
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,239
so therefore it's the whole bruising of the head and

988
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,920
bruising of the hill. Uh. I think that's why they

989
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,199
kept track of the genealogies, because there's obviously two lines

990
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,920
in the Book of Revelation. Uh, you know, you have

991
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,920
the anti Christ, you know, of of the serpent. So

992
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,920
he's the he's their Christ, you know, figure of the family.

993
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: All you're saying is also a serpent seed.

994
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: I believe so, yeah, because that's how that they were

995
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,159
painting him. And I tell people, I'm like, you know,

996
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,239
we can get lost in the weeds of you know,

997
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,599
was this physical, was this spiritual? I mean, it could

998
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,440
be either or but you know, we can't debate. That's

999
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,639
what they thought of him.

1000
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:02,199
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Abraham, he has Isaac

1001
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:08,760
and Ishmael. Uh, Isaac has Jacob and Esau. Ultimately Esau

1002
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,519
goes and joins himself to Ishmael. That they end up

1003
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:20,239
being a full lineage. But so potentially Isaac, who has

1004
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,920
Jacob and Esau? Is it with Rebecca? I always get

1005
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:29,400
the names. Okay, that's the mom Rebecca. Potentially Isaac bones Rebecca,

1006
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,519
but so does Satan.

1007
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:33,639
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the thing that's Will saying that, because

1008
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:35,719
I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there, but I

1009
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:41,400
know that the extra biblical sources paint him as a serpency.

1010
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,880
They say he had a serpent's branding. They said semi

1011
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:47,320
Al was his guardian angel. And you got to remember too,

1012
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,360
I tell people they didn't have a Bible back then.

1013
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,320
They didn't have chapters. It was a scroll. So you

1014
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,199
have the cursing at the garden, right, I will put

1015
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,920
enmity between her seed and dye seed. One will bruce

1016
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,320
one's head, one will bruce the other's heel. And just

1017
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,360
a few like I said, remove the chapters and the verses,

1018
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,119
because it's just a scroll to the ancient reader. So

1019
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,880
just a few verses down from that cursing, you have

1020
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,239
the birth of Esau. On what happens. An angel comes

1021
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:23,079
to Rebecca and says, two nations, two peoples are in

1022
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:27,400
your womb, and they battle against each other. There will

1023
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,199
be enmity between the two, and he says that the

1024
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,320
younger will rule over the older. So the ancient reader

1025
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:39,639
would automatically that'd been like a red flag on the field,

1026
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,360
like whoa, oh, the birthright and blessing is supposed to

1027
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,760
go to the eldest. The eldest rules over the younger.

1028
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,440
Something's wrong here, something's off, So that would have got

1029
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,159
their attention. And then the next verse is the birth

1030
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,559
and it says the first one came out red, covered

1031
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,480
in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak. Yeah,

1032
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,480
all the people of the ancient world of this time

1033
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,280
they worshiped fertility gods. All the fertility gods were wild men.

1034
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,440
They were covered in hair from head to toe. And

1035
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,199
if you remember, Rebecca was having trouble conceiving. Right in

1036
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
the ancient world, that was the woman's sole job. If

1037
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,719
she couldn't produce, especially a male heir, she was worthless.

1038
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,880
She was replaced by a younger, more fertile woman. This

1039
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,280
is what Sarah was dealing with. Sarah was scared to

1040
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,840
death and that's why she gave him Hagar. So you

1041
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,400
have this same thing happening again. They're in this world

1042
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,320
where everybody worships these hairy fertility gods to bless their womb.

1043
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,559
She's getting up in age, she can't produce any children,

1044
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,360
she's getting worried, she's getting desperate. I think it's not

1045
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,159
a far stretch to say that in her moment of desperation,

1046
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,440
of fear of being thrown out of the home and

1047
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,360
being replaced by a younger woman, that she would pray

1048
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,159
to a fertility god to bless her womb. And that's

1049
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,480
why he come out looking like that, or at least

1050
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,679
depicted that way. And people forget she came from the

1051
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:12,000
house of Laban. Okay, up there they worshiped all these

1052
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,559
fertility gods in one of them in particularly, his name

1053
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,519
was sam Quain, and they caught him the lord of

1054
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,760
the cattle. And if you go through the Epica Gilgamesh,

1055
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,360
Inky Doo, who's described just like he saw covered and

1056
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,679
ham had the toe. He was made by Inky the devil,

1057
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,679
it said, but he was made in the image of

1058
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,440
sam Quain. And this is the same region. So he

1059
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:38,119
comes out looking like this fertility god. And their household

1060
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:41,599
they worshiped all these false idols and stuff. That's what

1061
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,760
she come That's how she grew up and was raised,

1062
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,000
and it said her handmaiden comes with her, and if

1063
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,599
you remember, they even steal the tariff them and stuff

1064
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:54,880
when they leave the house. So I don't think it's

1065
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,079
out of the question to think that someone that was raised,

1066
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,239
you know, praying to these Harry fertility gods, would would

1067
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,199
reach out to them in a moment of desperation. But

1068
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,639
when he's born, though, it's a carbon copy polaroid picture

1069
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,280
of Genesis three fifteen. Like I said, when they're scrolling

1070
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,639
down through there, first one comes out red covered and

1071
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,840
have had the toe like a Harry cloak, and then

1072
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,599
the twin Esau has to come out first, so you

1073
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:24,119
can easily picture his foot pressing on Jacob's head, bruising

1074
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:27,199
the head. And then it adds this detail that Jacob

1075
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,519
comes out clutching the heel of Esau bruising the hill.

1076
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,559
I mean to me, especially the ancient reader who just

1077
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,760
read about that curse in the garden, that's gonna be

1078
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,719
top and center of their thought.

1079
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: Like switch it right, pull the switcher room and say okay,

1080
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,079
well let's make the curse go the other way.

1081
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that you know, the devil, whether

1082
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:53,719
it was a spiritual seed, an actual seed that's up

1083
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,079
for debate. It's not a cross that I'm willing to

1084
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,199
build on the hill and die on. But we know

1085
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,400
they depicted it that way.

1086
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: We got there. I don't know. Yeah, you do a

1087
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,840
good job of breaking it down that all of the

1088
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,280
people that are with Yahweh are still always in this

1089
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,559
way of like false gods, right that, Uh? Is it

1090
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,599
Rebecca that gets off the laban comes and chases down

1091
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,719
Jacob and then his wife gets off and she's got

1092
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,519
a she's took an idol and hit it and she says, no, no,

1093
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,559
I'm I'm I'm PMS and right now like I'm on

1094
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,320
the rag, don't don't check my stuff, And she had

1095
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,800
false idols. Another trippy one is Joseph in Egypt Man.

1096
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,880
He tells his brothers they remember, uh, they take off

1097
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,119
with the cup and he says, you guys, didn't think

1098
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:42,760
I'd recognize that you took the cup that I divine with.

1099
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,880
You're like, what the what in the world Joseph like

1100
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,000
was in was in that realm? Like so there's constantly

1101
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:51,400
like these false gods tied in with this story that

1102
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,719
we just missed because we live in such a materialistic

1103
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,360
world and kind of just a superficial, shallow existence today

1104
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,760
in America, right, Like we just don't recognize and understand

1105
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,159
how unseen realm works and the false gods and stuff.

1106
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,400
But that like there, it's for a lot of these people.

1107
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,719
It keeps coming back to that.

1108
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I said in the book because

1109
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,079
I was like, even me reading it, I'd get so frustrated. Like,

1110
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,039
for instance, God's people getting brought out of the plagues.

1111
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,639
They witnessed, all these miracles of God got to cross,

1112
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,360
you know, the Red Sea parted for them, the fire

1113
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,719
came down on the mountain, you know, all these things.

1114
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,679
But then Moses leaves for a little while, comes back,

1115
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,360
and they've already built this golden idol. And I'm like,

1116
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,960
you idiots, you just seen all the miraculous things God

1117
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,599
has done, and you're already rebelling. But what I wasn't

1118
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:41,320
thinking about then was no, there was these other lowercase

1119
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,039
g gods that had power. People were sacrificing their children

1120
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:49,000
to these things. There had to be a payoff. They

1121
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,199
were seeing magic and miracles from the other side too,

1122
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,760
Why else would they rebel like that?

1123
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: Man, it's a valid point man, and uh yeah, the

1124
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,400
hairy thing with Esau. I mean it gets wild where

1125
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,079
Isaac wants to bless Esau instead of Jacob, because it's

1126
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:16,719
Rebecca who got told the older will serve the younger,

1127
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,760
like she got told she was in the like to me,

1128
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,079
she's in the right in this story because she got

1129
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,039
told by God how this is supposed to go down.

1130
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,599
So it's intriguing that Jacob or that Isaac sorry, is

1131
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:32,159
trying to bless Esau when it was already told to

1132
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,880
Rebecca how this was supposed to go down. Well, that

1133
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,159
that the younger was supposed to be the blessed one.

1134
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,480
So it is a wild story. But then but then

1135
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:43,239
it gets into where they tried to despot. They try

1136
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:49,440
to disguise Jacob as Esau and they put goat for

1137
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,320
on them. Yeah, you know when you just read them.

1138
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,239
I mean, I mean, I probably the note in my Bible,

1139
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,079
especially it's the first time I made a note, and

1140
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,320
it was just like, how hairy is this dude? Like

1141
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,599
like what in the world world, But it's actual goat

1142
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:05,239
skins are put on him, like he has goat skin.

1143
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:09,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing I tell people. It's

1144
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,960
not poetic language, folks. I mean he was literally that Harry.

1145
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,320
I mean we all have that Harry uncle, like I

1146
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,039
jokingly talked about earlier, but you would never close your

1147
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,280
eyes and touch your Harry uncle and think that he

1148
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:24,400
was a goat. So he has literally that Harry and

1149
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:30,199
goats for it's Harry. It's oily, it's coarse, thick for

1150
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:30,719
a human.

1151
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,239
Speaker 2: You know, it could be that thick, but it's like fluffy,

1152
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
bro like the goat. Hare is dense. Dude, it's specifically animal.

1153
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:37,679
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1154
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild man. There's there's something definitely happening that's

1155
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:44,039
not right with the dude esaw.

1156
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. And and the trading of his birthright too, that

1157
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,320
that that is something that never made sense to me.

1158
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,559
Uh reading that, you know, he was Esau. He was

1159
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:59,519
the mighty hunter. This man's man, and the Book of

1160
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,679
Genesis just says he comes in from the field exhausted

1161
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,280
and trades his birthright for a bowl of stew. I'm like,

1162
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,599
who and the hell would do that? I mean, he's

1163
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:15,079
not starving, he's the mighty hunter. He would go slay

1164
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,679
a lion and have a lion's steak if he was hungry.

1165
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:23,239
This guy's not starving. I'm missing something here. And once

1166
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,760
I started going through these other texts and stuff that

1167
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,719
we've been talking about today, one of those was the

1168
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,039
Book of Jashure, and in there it tied that story

1169
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:35,840
up perfectly and made it make sense to me finally,

1170
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,800
because it says that Nimrod, who was also a mighty hunter,

1171
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,440
and it was kind of like the Highlander, you know,

1172
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,800
there can only be one Daddy, I will show you

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,000
who the real mighty man is. And it says that hatred, jealousy,

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and envy built up in the heart of Nimrod against

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es Also, he puts a hunting party together and they

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01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,079
go and hunt him like a wild beast. I mean,

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01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:58,400
it's a hunting party, like you go hunting for a lion,

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01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,079
because he was this harry beast of a man. And

1179
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,599
it says that Nimrod in two of his gibble reem,

1180
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you know, the same word usually describe the Nephlom giants,

1181
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,519
separated from the hunting party, and that Esau sees them,

1182
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,119
jumps out, cuts off Neimrod's head, battles the other two

1183
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:19,519
gibbe reem to the death. That the hunting party hears

1184
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:23,079
the screams, comes running, but Esau takes the time to

1185
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:26,400
remove Nimrod's garments, and it said that these are the

1186
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,639
garments to which Nimrod was able to prevail over all

1187
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:34,599
the nations, and that then he takes those garments and

1188
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,480
hides them in his tent and then goes to his

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,760
brother's tint, and that's where Genesis picks up. So I

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01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,920
was like, yeah, I mean, he come in from the

1191
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,239
field exhausted. All right, he just you know, killed the king.

1192
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,719
He's a man on the run. He just called the giants.

1193
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: That's the take of that all happened during that story.

1194
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,880
Oh wow, where he comes back in and says, give

1195
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,960
me the bull of soup man, because he just went

1196
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,119
out and killed who did he saw kill? Then Nemrod

1197
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:05,159
is that.

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Speaker 3: And took the garments. And that's why even in Genesis

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,559
it makes sense now because in Genesis he makes like

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01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:14,960
this little melodramatic catty comment and he says, what use

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01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:18,079
is a birth right to me when I am to die?

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01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? So okay, But I think he also said something

1203
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,559
to the extent, and maybe he had his fingers crossed

1204
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,880
or didn't really care or was just gonna do something

1205
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,239
like that, Wait, so are those garments you think is

1206
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,400
the skins that were put on at Ham and Eve?

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01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:33,400
Is that in jash Or two and like Demrod got

1208
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,679
his hands on those garments or that something different.

1209
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same ones. And I never got exposed

1210
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,840
to that. So I mean that kind of blew my

1211
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,880
mind because I was like, Okay, now this makes sense.

1212
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,119
He just battled King Nemrod, killed two giants, probably sustained

1213
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,679
some life threatening injuries. He's on the run, so that's

1214
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,679
why he goes in and tells his brother, you know what,

1215
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,440
use is a birth right to me when I'm dead.

1216
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:58,480
Take it. So it's like you I said in the book,

1217
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,480
kind of joking. I'm like, you know, maybe he had

1218
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,920
his fingers crossed behind his back because he was a dying,

1219
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:05,920
desperate man. He would have said anything to get his

1220
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,559
brother's help. So I think it was allegory for uh,

1221
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,920
you know, give me life saving care, sustain me, give

1222
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,599
me sustenance, bandage me up, hide me. And that's why

1223
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:17,440
he was like, I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear,

1224
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:19,800
because I just wanted to live. I'm a desperate man,

1225
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,480
you know, but my first thing is I asked. When

1226
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,400
I read that, I'm like, what is up with these garments?

1227
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,800
What are these garments? And like you had mentioned through

1228
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, through the Book of

1229
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,840
Jashure and so many other writings, they believed that the

1230
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,800
coverings that were given to Adam were these supernatural garments

1231
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,800
from the garden of God, and that when they talk

1232
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,639
about the birthright, that's what they're talking about. And they

1233
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,000
believe that they were the priestly robes of Satan.

1234
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: And so wait, what went So God slays something, sacrifices

1235
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:08,159
something to give Adam and Eve fur right a covering,

1236
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,760
but then you referred to it as what now the

1237
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,199
garments of Satan?

1238
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So when you get into that reading once

1239
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,360
again that the original languages are so important. When we

1240
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,639
read in the English, it just says he makes for them,

1241
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,280
you know, a garment of skins. And I was taught that,

1242
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,719
you know, this is a foreshadowing of Christ and that

1243
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,199
something had to die to cover the sins, and it

1244
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,320
makes perfect sense in beautiful theological picture. But when you

1245
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,320
get into the original languages, it says that God hell

1246
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:48,280
bishes their nakedness with a cononit and cononit is what

1247
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:53,559
they translated into skins. But many times that word is used.

1248
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,599
It's just talking about a tunic or a covering. M

1249
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,440
and they said that this was the coverings of the nakash.

1250
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:04,719
Is what all the ancient books say. Oh wow. And

1251
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,960
when you get to Ezekiel twenty eight, what does it

1252
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,440
say there? It's you know, it's a condemnation to the

1253
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:11,800
King of Tire, but the wording changes. You know, it's

1254
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,199
no longer talking to this king. It's talking to the

1255
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:18,480
spiritual entity behind the king. And it says, you were

1256
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,840
in the garden of God, perfect in all your ways,

1257
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,199
you know, until iniquity was found in you and you

1258
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,440
were cast from the mountain of God. Is a profane thing,

1259
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:28,880
you know. It's no longer talking to the king. And

1260
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,920
he says, every precious stone was your covering. It says

1261
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,119
barrel onyx topaz jasper let. The lists all these stones.

1262
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:42,400
The Mesoretic texts lists nine, but the septuagen lists twelve stones.

1263
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:46,559
But it's giving you a polaroid picture of the priestly

1264
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:51,320
ephod that the Levites wore. So it's painting Satan in

1265
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,519
a priestly role. And then like the next burst down.

1266
01:06:54,599 --> 01:07:00,960
It even says that he profaned his sanctuaries. So it's

1267
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,719
painting Satan as the high priest in heaven and so,

1268
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,079
and the ancient text says that the garments or skins

1269
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:14,599
or coverings given to Adam was once the coverings of

1270
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,679
the nakash well Mosiki twenty eight. We know that's the

1271
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:22,800
priestly epot. So here is where kingship and priesthood was

1272
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,480
given to Adam, where dominion was given to Adam. Because

1273
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:29,239
at the fall Satan, his garments, his priestly position was

1274
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:33,880
taken from him and bestowed upon Adam. And that's what

1275
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,719
they believed, and they traced these garments. It says it

1276
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:43,599
went to Adam to Enoch, Methuselah to Noah, that Noah

1277
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:45,599
had them going over the flood.

1278
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think I remember that. And then ultimately

1279
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,679
like Araham gets trained up by Sham. Is that is that? Uh,

1280
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,800
that's all Jasher too, right that? Yeah, the coach just

1281
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,679
keep getting passed down. Yeah, yeah, that's why i.

1282
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:03,519
Speaker 3: Am stole them. And it said that in Ham's rebellion

1283
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,360
in going out, that he stole those garments. And then

1284
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,320
that's how Nimrod wounded up with them. So when Esau

1285
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,159
kills him, he steals back the family's birthright, and that's

1286
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:17,600
what he hides in his tent. And we see those

1287
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,119
garments in that story. You know, a lot of people

1288
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,640
thinks it's kind of controversial, but it's there. And if

1289
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:30,720
you let scripture interpret scripture, the uncovering of his father's nakedness,

1290
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,399
you know, ain't that he come in? His dad was

1291
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,479
passed out drunk, and he looked at him naked. You know,

1292
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,159
if you get into Levitigus seventeen, it says in there

1293
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,199
to uncover thy father's nakedness is to sleep with thy

1294
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:50,439
father's wife for his nakedness. So he sleeps with his

1295
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,920
mother in an incestuous act. And that's why he said

1296
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,640
cursed be Canaan, because Canaan was the result of Cain

1297
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,159
sleeping with his mother and producing a baby, and that

1298
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:02,960
baby was Canaan. That's why he said curse had be Canaan.

1299
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,720
But in that story, you remember, it says that sim

1300
01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:11,000
who was the eldest him and he got his brother

1301
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,239
and they took a garment placed upon their backs, walked

1302
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,600
forwards and covered their father's nakedness. Once again, you go

1303
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,000
to the original languages. It doesn't say a garment. It

1304
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:24,880
says they took the garment, so it has a definite

1305
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,000
article assigned to it. They're talking about something very specific.

1306
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,920
I think they're talking about the garments because this was

1307
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,640
an active rebellion in the ancient world. Yeah, you know,

1308
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,800
you slept with your father's concubines or wife's to usurp

1309
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,720
your dominance over the family. I'm trying to think David's son,

1310
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:50,720
what was his name, David King, David his son that

1311
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,720
tried to overthrow the kingdom, and it said that he's

1312
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,319
absolom Yes, because it said once he run David out.

1313
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:58,760
The first thing he done he pitched a tent on

1314
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,840
his father's house and when coument. Yeah, so this is

1315
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,520
what you did. That's how you flexed on the old

1316
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,199
man back that they said he was trying to take

1317
01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:10,600
the head position of the household. So how perfect would

1318
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,239
it be theologically speaking to take the symbolic crown and

1319
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:19,640
to place it back on the father refusing Ham's rebellion.

1320
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack in that, dude, I

1321
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,239
don't know. The book crushes there's there's a lot to

1322
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,479
unpack in it. I think that's as far as I

1323
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,399
got so far. So I don't know if I want

1324
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:33,199
to like bust the rest of the book or.

1325
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,239
Speaker 3: Some of them. But that that garment though, you see

1326
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:43,079
him again in that Deception of Jacob, because if you remember,

1327
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,479
they kill the goat, they wrap him in this goat's fur.

1328
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,960
But then if you read on it says that like

1329
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:55,239
as the final cherry on top, Rebecca says, goes into

1330
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:56,159
the tint.

1331
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,319
Speaker 2: Of Esau and puts and puts on his garments.

1332
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's those garments that he stole from Camron.

1333
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:14,720
Yeah that's wild, dude, that whole thing's wild. I don't

1334
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,079
want to know the rest of the book though.

1335
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,239
Speaker 2: That's the problem, Like, I like, that's how far I

1336
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:20,600
am in your book so far, and I don't even

1337
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,760
know what happens next. I'm always intrigued by the dude

1338
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:26,720
Esau too. And actually the first Bible passage that I

1339
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,199
ever brought up the top is in Deuteronomy too, where

1340
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:33,640
it talks about how God didn't just kill off Nephilum

1341
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,359
tribes just with Israel. He did it with the descendants

1342
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,119
of of Lot, and he did it with the descendants

1343
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,479
of Esau too, so like God gives Esau and his

1344
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,119
descendants a chunk of land and he goes in. It's

1345
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:48,039
in Deuteronomy too. I can just read it. Actually, I

1346
01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:49,359
can just read it because Top came in with the

1347
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,279
Nephlum de Squad shirt the first day I met him,

1348
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,199
and I said, bro, uh, what do you know about

1349
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,680
the Nephilm man you like, like Bible Nephilim, like Genesis

1350
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,439
six Nephlim. The tops like, yeah, yeah, what do you

1351
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,079
think you know? And he was like, you know, we

1352
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:02,960
did a little warfare real quick where Top was like

1353
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,640
flexing on me and stuff, and I was like, yeah, this,

1354
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,560
And then I said, bro, what about Deuteronomy too. I

1355
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,680
never hear anybody talk about it, but this is a

1356
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,039
Nephilum story too. He's like, what, yeah, let's talk about it.

1357
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:12,520
So he sat down the end of the bar. It's

1358
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,600
one of the great days of my life actually looking back.

1359
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,479
But in Deuteronomy too, it says this, starting in verse

1360
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,439
nine says and the Lord said them to me, distress

1361
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,279
not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle, for

1362
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:24,560
I will not give thee of their land for a possession,

1363
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,319
because I have given r under the children of Lot

1364
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:31,800
for a possession. So God's given out territories man to

1365
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,960
other nations other than Israel. The Imams dwelt therein in

1366
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,920
times past, the people great and many and talls, the Anakims.

1367
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,239
That's why that Imams word means terrors, and we think

1368
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:46,279
that that's obviously Nephilim right verse eleven, which also were

1369
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:50,000
accounted giants Refaen as I believe is the Hebrew word

1370
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,960
as the Anakims, but the Moabites called them Imams. The

1371
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:56,359
Horums also dwelt in saiyear before times, so he's just

1372
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,239
named Nephlam tribes. The Horums also dwelt in saiyear before time,

1373
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:03,560
but the children of Esau succeeded them when they had

1374
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,239
destroyed them from before them and dwelt in their steed

1375
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,279
as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which

1376
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:13,239
the Lord gave unto them. So it's saying that like

1377
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:16,520
God gave the descendants of Esau certain land, and they

1378
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,840
went in and took out giant tribes. If you jumped

1379
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,039
forward to I think it's first twenty. In the same chapter,

1380
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:29,039
it says verse eighteen that were to pass over through

1381
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:31,560
the coast of Moab this day, And when you come

1382
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,079
nigh over against the children of Aman, distress them not

1383
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,199
nor meddle with them. For I will not give thee

1384
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:38,840
of the land of the children of Aman any possession,

1385
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,079
because I have given it under the children of Lot

1386
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:44,560
for a possession that also was accounted a land of giants.

1387
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,520
Giants dwelt they're in an old time, and the Ammonites

1388
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,600
called them Zamzumams, people great and many and tall as

1389
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,199
the Anakims. But the Lord destroyed them before them, and

1390
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,680
they succeeded them, and dwelt in their steed, as he

1391
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,359
did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in sid ear,

1392
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:03,520
when he destroyed the Horems from before them, and they

1393
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,800
succeeded them and dwelt in their steed even under this day.

1394
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,640
And the Avims, which dwelton has a room, even under Aza,

1395
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,439
the cafter rooms which came forth the caft or destroyed

1396
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,880
them and dwelt in their steed. Anyway, it's just there's

1397
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,279
this whole other story that's just said in passing about

1398
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how God not just with Israel taking over the Promised

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,239
land where there was giants taking out Canaan or even

1400
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:26,760
even before they get into promised land, like aug and

1401
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,119
Sihon taking out like those Nephilim tribes. God actually took

1402
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,359
the sentence a lot and descendants of Esau and went

1403
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:37,479
and destroyed Nephlom tribes too, which is wild. If you're

1404
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,520
looking at this passage, it says like Jacob I loved

1405
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,359
and Esau I hated. So he hated Esau, but he

1406
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:48,359
also used him and his descendants to wipe out Nephalom. Yeah.

1407
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 3: And the thing too is like, uh, I praised Gary

1408
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,279
Wayne h for actually diving through the boring genealogies because

1409
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:59,439
of him, Yeah, I found out that the Wrotes and

1410
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,520
Hibye were known Nephlim giant clans.

1411
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1412
01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:08,279
Speaker 3: And once this deception happens, Esau goes into full rebellion

1413
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:11,560
and he takes three wives, and one of them he

1414
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:16,520
goes to his uncle Ishmael, who just like him, was

1415
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,720
the eldest born son who was screwed out of his birthright.

1416
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1417
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:25,319
Speaker 3: Then he takes a wife from the Horites and the Heavites,

1418
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,439
who were known Nephlum giant clans. Right, So who you

1419
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:33,800
have this Harry quote unquote man Esau marrying into Nephlim

1420
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,279
giant clans and breeding with them, and in the Book

1421
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:39,680
of Genesis says that one of his father in laws

1422
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:44,960
was named Sier, who reigned from the land of Mount Sier.

1423
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:50,359
And the etymology of that word it means harry. So

1424
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:53,359
we know they were known Nephlim giant clans and they

1425
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:58,199
get their name associated to them for their hairiness. So

1426
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:03,359
these are earth a clan of faral giants, and Esau

1427
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,479
gets with them and interbreeds with them, and through his

1428
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:14,319
loins is where you get the Amalekites, and the Amalekites

1429
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,520
you go to the etymology of their name that means

1430
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:22,640
the blood liquors, and yeah, and Rashi and a lot

1431
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,439
of these other rabbis to talk about these writings that

1432
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:31,840
they say that the Amalekites were known sorcerers, and it

1433
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:36,760
even says shape shifters, and that's why they're the only

1434
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,960
group in the Bible that God says wipe out every man, woman, child,

1435
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,159
and animal because they were known shape shifters and would

1436
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,479
shape shift into animals.

1437
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,279
Speaker 2: To them, that's wild. Take man that that He's like, yo,

1438
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:54,279
you better kill the animals too, because that could be

1439
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:56,119
some of these shape shifters just hiding out.

1440
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and these come from Esau. And if you remember,

1441
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,319
these are the Malachites. That's the first people group that

1442
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:08,439
God's people encounter in their wilderness wanderings. You don't get,

1443
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:13,079
you know, a rule, a law, a regulation, unless those

1444
01:17:13,079 --> 01:17:15,920
things are being done and or broken. So I think

1445
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:20,760
it's important. I think it tells it describes these people

1446
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,880
groups that they were encountering by those laws and rules,

1447
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,560
because if you look at them, what does it say?

1448
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:36,159
No longer will you sacrifice to what to harry goat demons? Okay,

1449
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:40,399
so here you have this hairy man Esau breeding with

1450
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,920
faral giant clans, making this blood sucking group that are

1451
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,880
known witchcraft, sorcerers and shape shifters, it says, and the

1452
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,159
book Isaiah says that the wild men will dance in

1453
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:57,960
the desolate cities and in the wilderness. No longer will

1454
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,479
you pass your children through the fires of mold. You

1455
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,199
will not seek necromancers and sorcerers. You will not drink

1456
01:18:05,279 --> 01:18:09,760
the blood, the powers in the blood. All these, you know,

1457
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,239
things are given to God's people during their wilderness wanderings.

1458
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,640
And we know the Amalekites is the first people group

1459
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,600
they encountered and went to war with.

1460
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they come and they attacked the week and the

1461
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,640
feeble at the back of the camp specifically. And God's like, bro,

1462
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,359
I got beef with them forever now, Yeah, And I.

1463
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: Don't know the history of people were like that. They

1464
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,439
were this sorcerer you know, necromancing witchcraft type people.

1465
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1466
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 3: God's people was trying to emulate them, so that's why

1467
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,279
he had to say no, no, no.

1468
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,199
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I've never followed it out or

1469
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,920
maybe you know, but from what I understand, the Amelkites

1470
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,800
they have been wiped off? Right? Or is their descendants

1471
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,359
like I know, you can look at Aman and that's

1472
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:54,239
like Aman Jordan, like the like the Ammonites or whatever

1473
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:58,479
Persians like, there's still that's still a thing. Babylonians is

1474
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,760
still a thing, or the amelkit it's that. Is that

1475
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,159
a people group that's been destroyed, that's wiped out? Or

1476
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,680
do they trace the Amelokites to like a modern people

1477
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,560
group today That.

1478
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,319
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure of. I don't know, but I

1479
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:13,640
do know in Deuteronomy, because of their witchcraft and you know,

1480
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,239
picking off the weak and the women and that kind

1481
01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:20,520
you know, militia style warfare and the things that they've done. Uh,

1482
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,920
because they even a glimped them in with the Edomites.

1483
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:29,119
Speaker 2: Right, because well, yeah, is eat them too, right, like

1484
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:31,800
doesn't it? Scriptures that in several places where Esau has

1485
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:32,279
eat them.

1486
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they stood back when the Babylonians ransacked Jerusalem, right,

1487
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,079
cheered while the city was being burned. It said that

1488
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,479
while the captives were being taken away and changed to Babylon,

1489
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,319
that the Edomites stood back and clapped and cheered. Yeah,

1490
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:50,319
and yeah, that's why God said he you know, never forgets.

1491
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1492
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,079
Speaker 3: One of the paths that he.

1493
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: Was on out their name talks about the continual hatred

1494
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,239
between Israel and eat them And I think Chuck Missler

1495
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:00,960
used to do it. Must have been Chuck. Somebody used

1496
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,960
to do some studies based on the continual hatred that

1497
01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:07,119
doesn't go with Maybe it's Derek Prince, I can't remember.

1498
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:09,960
Somebody used to do some studies on the on the

1499
01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:13,640
like forever hatred between Israel and Edam.

1500
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's the sea war man, I

1501
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:19,159
will put between her seed and yeah, I see then

1502
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:22,319
you see it in the news today they're still fighting

1503
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:24,600
over their birthright, and one group thinks that they were

1504
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:25,720
screwed out of there inherit.

1505
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, the story modern modern Middle East reads just like

1506
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,319
Genesis or a lot of this other stuff all through scripture. Man,

1507
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:34,439
it's really not changing.

1508
01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1509
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:37,039
Speaker 2: Nope.

1510
01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 3: And I think, uh, because I know you're an Alberino fan.

1511
01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:47,319
I know you're a friend, a fan of Daddy. He

1512
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:50,960
talked about the the elder brother and the younger brother

1513
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:52,880
in the in the Battle of the birth Right.

1514
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

1515
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 3: I think you see that, you know perfectly through there.

1516
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:01,119
And I think the Bible is filled with macro and

1517
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:06,159
microcosms of this overall story, our story. You know, elder

1518
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,760
brother who was the angelic race according to job that

1519
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,199
was there and witnessed creation. Sure, we're the younger brother

1520
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:15,760
that screws up all the time, but God shows us favor. Yeah,

1521
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,800
you see it in the Parable of the Prodigal Sun

1522
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,159
and all these other things over and over again, because

1523
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:25,319
I think it's a microcosm of our story. Yeah. And

1524
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:30,560
I think Jesus talked about the seed war, the serpent

1525
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,760
seed and his story of the Parable of the Wheat

1526
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,600
and tears, you know. So, I mean, I think all

1527
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,520
those stories are I'm not saying they're not real historical stories,

1528
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,119
but they are stories within stories, kind of stacked like

1529
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:47,199
the Russian doll, you.

1530
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:50,520
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, the little Bobushka. Yeah, I like that. Now,

1531
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,199
Alberino does a great job and birthrate of just kind

1532
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,840
of unpacking this whole thing of this elder brother race

1533
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,319
that's compatible. It's we're so close that we're compatible. That

1534
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,520
like they came down and their bone and chicks here, like,

1535
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,800
it's they're totally compatible. You see angels in scripture and

1536
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,720
they look like humans, and so that is an interesting take, man,

1537
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:13,680
But yeah it is. You know, Jesus died for the

1538
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,760
descendants of Adam, man, Like that's what this whole thing

1539
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:23,640
revolves around, and so it is wild mm hmm. But uh, bro,

1540
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,039
do you want to say it? We're going to wrap

1541
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:26,880
it up, man, But I just want to know. I

1542
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,239
really appreciate you coming on dude a lot, and I

1543
01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:31,079
really like what you're doing. And I'm excited to read

1544
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:31,640
the rest of the book.

1545
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 5: Man.

1546
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: We can do another show after I read everything else

1547
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,279
or something. Was there anything else you want to get

1548
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:37,600
into before we wrap it up?

1549
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,279
Speaker 1: Well, I think don't you you do have a book

1550
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:41,720
that you are working on. I don't know if you

1551
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,479
want to tease that to him, i'd be I'd be

1552
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,279
interested to see how Matt reacts to that sort of information,

1553
01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:49,319
because that's fascinating stuff.

1554
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm working on my other book now and

1555
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:57,479
I'm calling it The Tail of Two Trees Chasing the Dragon,

1556
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:00,439
and it's deep.

1557
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,119
Speaker 2: I don't know how to turn stuff off, dude, what

1558
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:02,640
are you doing?

1559
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 3: Okay, double entendres there, but uh, but it dies deeper

1560
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,960
into it to serpent seed and even goes into like

1561
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,560
the secular view of like the Maravin Engines and the Divaars,

1562
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,239
these you know, elite ruling classes that's that trace their

1563
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:21,880
lineages all the way back to Kane and say that

1564
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,640
they have the divine right to rule.

1565
01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: And uh, waite that you're saying. The book revolves around

1566
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,279
people today that say that where do those people? Who

1567
01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:32,760
are those people or where do they live? Like?

1568
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 3: What is that? Well, you know, it's like the Maravin Engines,

1569
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,800
the Divairs. Uh, there's a several different on jew you know,

1570
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,359
Gary Wayne kind of talks about them too.

1571
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1572
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,159
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about any of that stuff, bro

1573
01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:46,359
that be I'd like to read it though.

1574
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 3: But Uh, I talked to them. They have a lot

1575
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,199
of rituals and stuff about drinking blood, and through them

1576
01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:58,079
is where you get a lot of your mythological creatures.

1577
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:00,399
They're real, but they kind of got blown out of portion,

1578
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:07,119
like wirewolves, vampires, elves, things like that, fairies. It's it's

1579
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:08,399
talking about this, yeah.

1580
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 2: For a couple of months now, so I'm familiar with

1581
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,600
some of that stuff.

1582
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:15,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but I even told him the Song of

1583
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:18,199
Solomon is one of those blood drink drinking rituals because

1584
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:21,800
they would drink the minstrel flow of the dragon princess

1585
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:22,880
and her secretions.

1586
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you had everybody in an uproar when

1587
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,199
you brought that up on the last show, right, that's why.

1588
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's in there, man, all the symbolism and

1589
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,800
the Song of Solomon. You know, he feeds amongst the

1590
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,760
lilies until the break of day, and she offers him

1591
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:43,399
to enjoy of her pomegranate, you know, and she is

1592
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,399
an ancient well sealed up, you know, referring to her

1593
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:49,800
her virginity and chastity.

1594
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:50,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

1595
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,039
Speaker 3: It's been pretty wild so far studying all this.

1596
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,159
Speaker 2: All right, So that book's coming out soon, Yeah, I

1597
01:24:59,199 --> 01:24:59,680
hope to have.

1598
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,039
Speaker 3: It out before bro Grove. That way, I'll have it

1599
01:25:02,079 --> 01:25:03,399
at the table, That's what.

1600
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: I that'd be great, man, I'll sell it at bro Grove.

1601
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,399
I worked the table, not sweating. All right. Well, give

1602
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:15,399
me a heads up next time you come into town. Dude,

1603
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:16,960
I would have loved to hang out. It just kind

1604
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,560
of landed wild last time because my daughter was graduating,

1605
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,560
so we had all this graduation stuff. There was one

1606
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,840
on the Friday night, then there was stuff on the Saturday.

1607
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,880
Then there was like parties and there was going out

1608
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,079
to eat and it was just wild. Man. But I'd

1609
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:29,079
love to hang out sometime.

1610
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, bro Grove, I'll be there for the weekend.

1611
01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:33,479
We'll get together and hang out.

1612
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:35,159
Speaker 2: Cool, very cool.

1613
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,039
Speaker 3: Now have you over at my show too. I want

1614
01:25:38,039 --> 01:25:40,520
to have you on my show. We'll talk about some stuff.

1615
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 2: All right, you just say win bro. But thanks again

1616
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,039
for coming on. Man. Thank you everybody for tuning in

1617
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:47,319
on the chat. It hasn't been two outrageous and crazy,

1618
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:49,279
but we appreciate you guys, and we'll see.

1619
01:25:49,079 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 5: You on the next one.

1620
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 4: Not a rude not to rain, just to see through smoke,

1621
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,439
gave heroes and calls bes my name they say, the

1622
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:33,039
true will costume fans confide. Be some minds the same,

1623
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:37,520
rewre softer base swim fires.

1624
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:38,199
Speaker 5: Let us be