Speaker 1: Most of the people in the intimate circles of Epstein
Speaker 1: were basically Democrats.
Speaker 2: He's in Ukraine a month before Zelenski comes to power.
Speaker 1: He had those emails between Epstein and Bill Gates about
Speaker 1: pandemic simulations in twenty seventeen. This even ties into the
Speaker 1: Vatican right because Epstein several times went to the Vatican,
Speaker 1: especially under Ron Paul the Second or appears to obviously
Speaker 1: be a massad connection. And as soon as Trump decided
Speaker 1: to do preemptive Iran strikes, everybody forgot about it.
Speaker 3: Ah boy, I mean, how deep do you think the
Speaker 3: rock goes?
Speaker 2: Governments?
Speaker 1: Nation states have been brought down just from sexpionized Rothschild
Speaker 1: set up earlier with his lane's dad, Robert Maxwell, who
Speaker 1: was himself an Israeli intelligence opera British intelligence operator, and
Speaker 1: he taught Epstein a lot of those techniques, and then
Speaker 1: Epstein was recruited into working for David Rockefeller.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's kind of like the tip of the Iceland.
Speaker 3: He's the name that people know, he's the face that
Speaker 3: people recognize. But I would assume that Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 3: not the only Jeffrey Epstein type character.
Speaker 1: Sure in operation the images of Epstein and powerful people
Speaker 1: with what appeared to be very young, underage and children.
Speaker 1: A lot of that was also blocked out. The best
Speaker 1: way to understand Epstein is in my view as a.
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Speaker 3: the host of the Alex Jones Show, and he is
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Speaker 3: the one and only Jay Dyer. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: What's up, Zube.
Speaker 1: Great to be here with you, Glad to finally connect
Speaker 1: and know we've been trying to make a chat happen
Speaker 1: for a few months, maybe a couple of.
Speaker 2: Years, even I don't know, but glad to be here
Speaker 2: with you finally. Jay.
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of my listeners are familiar with you,
Speaker 3: but for those who aren't, just give us a little intro.
Speaker 1: I've been doing online stuff in terms of alternative media
Speaker 1: probably for about fifteen years, started as a pod caster
Speaker 1: and then branched out into writing books and doing a
Speaker 1: lot of video stuff live streams. Working with Alex Jones
Speaker 1: for the last six years and then linked up with
Speaker 1: a lot of comedians, doing a lot of comedian podcasts
Speaker 1: and write for Sam High.
Speaker 2: But we do a lot of debates as well.
Speaker 1: So I just did a debate last night with a
Speaker 1: black keeper Israelite cult leader. I've debated a lot of
Speaker 1: the top Muslims and atheists, so we do that as well,
Speaker 1: and then do a lot of geopolitical analysis, a lot
Speaker 1: of deep historical research. I wrote three books on Hollywood
Speaker 1: and Hollywood symbolism. So my third book at Tricli with
Speaker 1: three is out, So that's I cover a whole miasma
Speaker 1: of topics. And yeah, I'm glad to glad to be
Speaker 1: talking to Epstein with you.
Speaker 3: We're definitely going to go deep on the Epstein files
Speaker 3: because I know that you have been really looking into
Speaker 3: that and it seems like a topic that's kind of
Speaker 3: gone out of the news headlines with everything that's going
Speaker 3: on in the world. But I think it's important that
Speaker 3: people remain focused to some degree, and we have you
Speaker 3: find out what's going on here. But before we talk
Speaker 3: about that, just one more question I'm curious about your
Speaker 3: background is how did you even get into this whole
Speaker 3: world of talking about the things you talk about in writing,
Speaker 3: the kind of stuff you're write.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I always love movies.
Speaker 1: So when I was in high school, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be involved in some capacity in media. I was kind
Speaker 1: of a I was a theater kid, but heterosexual America,
Speaker 1: so most theater kids or not. But so I wanted
Speaker 1: to do you know, that kind of stuff entertainment, and
Speaker 1: wrote a stand up routine.
Speaker 2: When I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: I went and did it at a bunch of clubs,
Speaker 1: and I really liked it. But I was also torn
Speaker 1: because I was really interested in kind of intellectual topics.
Speaker 1: So I went to college and did an undergraduate in philosophy,
Speaker 1: and then I did two years of grad work on
Speaker 1: a master's in philosophy and English. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: tie the research that I was doing in the academic
Speaker 1: realm into sort of the other topics that I was covering,
Speaker 1: like movies and Hollywood, and I started blogging. I wrote
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of essays over the years, which became
Speaker 1: the books, and then around i'd say twenty sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: we did a full.
Speaker 2: Production TV show. It's still out there. You can watch.
Speaker 1: It's called Hollywood Decoded and that was an analysis of
Speaker 1: a bunch of movies from the kind of unique perspective
Speaker 1: that I that I have on film, and that led
Speaker 1: to a book or another book, and then that led
Speaker 1: to you know, working with Alex and other people, and
Speaker 1: then kind of branching out.
Speaker 2: And doing comedy. So it's just kind of a thing
Speaker 2: that snowball.
Speaker 1: But ideologically what piqued my interest was I watched Alex
Speaker 1: back in I think two thousand and three. He did
Speaker 1: a bunch of reports that I just happened to see
Speaker 1: on a random website when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: He was doing.
Speaker 1: Reports about skulling bones and the CIA and the relationship
Speaker 1: between these two entities and how that tied into kind
Speaker 1: of the way intelligence agencies, you know, engage in the
Speaker 1: various activities. So that led me, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: into the Ron Paul arena back in the two thous
Speaker 1: early two thousands, mid two thousands, and I watched Loose
Speaker 1: Change from Burma, so I got me questioning big events
Speaker 1: and so it all kind of snowballed into where we
Speaker 1: are today.
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Speaker 3: Visit them today and schedule a call. I know that
Speaker 3: you've spent a lot of time reading into the Epstein
Speaker 3: files and put putting out a lot of videos and
Speaker 3: live streams talking about what you have discovered. So how
Speaker 3: do we how do we even get into this? I
Speaker 3: guess for people who you know, everyone has heard about
Speaker 3: Epstein at this point. Most people have heard about the
Speaker 3: Epstein files, and they know that there is something strange
Speaker 3: going on here. We've all had that suspicion for years.
Speaker 3: At this point, even the so called normis I guess
Speaker 3: how deep does this rabbit hole go? What are some
Speaker 3: of the big takeaways? I don't know if this is
Speaker 3: something you can easily summarize, So take as long as
Speaker 3: you need, But what do you know so far?
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing I would say is the context
Speaker 1: of this that I think makes the most sense is
Speaker 1: another subject that I kind of delved into, kind of
Speaker 1: parallel to all this stuff coming out over the last
Speaker 1: few years with Epstein, and that's the subject of honey traps, honeypots,
Speaker 1: and sexpionage, which governments have used for millennia. So we
Speaker 1: have to understand first of all that really with Epstein,
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot in terms of what he
Speaker 1: was doing that's new, because this is the way that
Speaker 1: the state has functioned for a long time. You go
Speaker 1: back to the Bible, for example, and if you read
Speaker 1: the Book of Judges, if you pay attention, Delilah is
Speaker 1: a honeypot from the Philistines to entrap Samson.
Speaker 2: In the famous story of Samson and Delilah.
Speaker 1: So espionage and this type of tactic and technique is ancient,
Speaker 1: you see it all through even the scriptures. But to
Speaker 1: fast forward to modern times, in the last hundred years,
Speaker 1: there have been some really famous cases where basically governments
Speaker 1: nation states have been brought down just from sexpionage.
Speaker 2: A classic example is a.
Speaker 1: Guy named Kenji Deuhara, who at the turn of the
Speaker 1: last century was Japan's kind of his Japan's Epstein, Epstein's.
Speaker 2: Sat so to speak, who he came up with this idea.
Speaker 1: He came up with this idea to basically put a
Speaker 1: bunch of houses of ill repute all throughout China and
Speaker 1: to traffic a bunch of opium throughout these houses of
Speaker 1: ill repute, which was again kind of pioneering that idea
Speaker 1: even I think he was doing even before the British
Speaker 1: were doing it, but maybe maybe around the same time.
Speaker 1: But he set up a network of informants and honey
Speaker 1: track amongst the prostitutes who could then sleep with all
Speaker 1: the Chinese generals and soldiers and gave him all the
Speaker 1: advanced intel. But actually what happened was the Chinese in that.
Speaker 2: Province were so.
Speaker 1: Demoralized and addicted to Opium that basically when he marched in,
Speaker 1: the Japanese troops didn't even really have much of a fight.
Speaker 1: So that was a classic example. It's very famous in
Speaker 1: history in terms of warfare. That gives us something an
Speaker 1: insight into Epstein, maybe not so much from a kinetic
Speaker 1: warfare perspective, but from the way that you can entrap
Speaker 1: and bring entire governments and civilizations down. So with Epstein,
Speaker 1: what you have is a more modernized version of it
Speaker 1: that's not again based around warfare, but based around compromising
Speaker 1: key people in the power structure or in society in general,
Speaker 1: and that comes out of an older model that the
Speaker 1: Rothchilds also used explicitly if you read their biography, and
Speaker 1: that we made a a lot of use of that
Speaker 1: Morton biography, which is an author as biography of the Rothchilds,
Speaker 1: because in the first few chapters it admits that the
Speaker 1: famous story about advanced intelligence that they had over Waterloo
Speaker 1: was something that gave.
Speaker 2: Them an advantage economically.
Speaker 1: So they were able to buy up the London Stock
Speaker 1: Exchange when it collapsed because they had advanced intelligence about
Speaker 1: this battle, and they gained an immense fortune from that.
Speaker 2: So in the same way, if you fast.
Speaker 1: Forward to just as an example, some of the emails
Speaker 1: that popped up, you have Jeffrey Epstein doing these back
Speaker 1: and forth with Ariana de Rothschild and basically saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of advanced intel.
Speaker 2: We can go into these regions. Buy it up.
Speaker 1: When they have chaos, buy it up when there's collapse.
Speaker 1: He says to Peter Teel, I represent the Rothchilds. And
Speaker 1: so those are great examples of the Greek bailouts, the
Speaker 1: IMF debt crisis that was happening about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: eleven twelve years ago in the EU, Epstein was saying,
Speaker 1: these are regions where we can make massive amounts of money.
Speaker 1: So the same thing about Somalia in a series of emails.
Speaker 1: And so while the sexual compromise plays a role in
Speaker 1: kind of taking out or controlling certain key figures in society, culture, government, banking,
Speaker 1: corporate arena, et cetera, the advanced intelligence also plays a
Speaker 1: key role in figuring out where to move money and
Speaker 1: where to move you know, resources to purchase land, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So it's all of those things and to the best
Speaker 1: way to understand Epstein is, in my view, as an
Speaker 1: elite level consultant and fixer, kind of a master organized
Speaker 1: crime figure.
Speaker 2: Very close to what you would see in somebody like
Speaker 2: a John Gotti.
Speaker 1: So well, I take that back like a Sami the Bowl,
Speaker 1: because John Gotti is the head of the family. And
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of interviews with with Sammy the Bowl,
Speaker 1: who was his underboss, and the way Sammy describes their
Speaker 1: organizational structure in the way that they worked back in
Speaker 1: the sixties, seventies and eighties, very close to what you
Speaker 1: see with Epstein in his circles, but they're on a
Speaker 1: more international global scale. So it's an international crime syndicate
Speaker 1: that comes out of the structure that the Rothschild set
Speaker 1: up earlier with Geslane's dad, Robert Maxwell, who was himself
Speaker 1: an Israeli intelligence operator, British intelligence operat if you, kind
Speaker 1: of worked for different different outfits. But they set up
Speaker 1: a corporate publishing empire for him to run, and then
Speaker 1: he also became a fixer and a corporate sort of
Speaker 1: takeover artist, and then he taught Epstein a lot of
Speaker 1: those techniques, and then Epstein was recruited into working for
Speaker 1: David Rockefeller as his right hand man, so to speak.
Speaker 1: At the Trilateral Commission as a council member, maybe even
Speaker 1: the I think it was maybe even the head of
Speaker 1: the Trilateral Commission.
Speaker 3: Just to clarify what's the Trilateral Commission, I'm not familiar
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: So basically you have in the Western power structure you
Speaker 1: have these steering committees that have been set up going
Speaker 1: back to the model that the British Empire had through
Speaker 1: what they called the Royal Institute for International Affairs, and
Speaker 1: this was sort of their round table that they set
Speaker 1: up as a means of running the empire through these
Speaker 1: sort of oligarchical wise men, and so they're very powerful
Speaker 1: blue blood families at the time of the British Empire, royals, elites,
Speaker 1: academics even can be recruited into these roles out of Oxford,
Speaker 1: Cambridge and Eton. And so that model of the Royal
Speaker 1: Society's roundtable groups is the very same model that very
Speaker 1: powerful American oligarchs set up in the US through what
Speaker 1: they call Pratt House in New York. So you have
Speaker 1: Chatham House in the UK, which is the original place
Speaker 1: where this was set up, and then in New York
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties, through Prattthouse, the count the Rockefellers
Speaker 1: set up the Council on Foreign Relations, which is a
Speaker 1: super governmental body that they're public, They're not.
Speaker 2: A secret society.
Speaker 1: They're public, but they are semi secret in that they
Speaker 1: have a huge amount of influence and I would argue
Speaker 1: over politicians. And amongst the CFR, there's a more kind
Speaker 1: of elite clique that's called the Trilateral Commission that was
Speaker 1: set up by Kissinger and Rockefeller for big Naan Brezenski himself,
Speaker 1: because Brazenski wrote a book in nineteen seventy Cooed Between
Speaker 1: Two Ages, which is about the future technocracy, and Rockefeller
Speaker 1: and Kissinger were so impressed with this book that they
Speaker 1: said that guy needs his own steering committee to run,
Speaker 1: and so they created the Trilateral Commission for Brazenski, which
Speaker 1: is again just kind of a more elite steering committee
Speaker 1: group amongst the CFR members. And then by the nineteen
Speaker 1: free what Yuri said, by maybe nineteen ninety, somewhere in there,
Speaker 1: they bring Ebstcene on to be a steering committee member
Speaker 1: at that very high level group.
Speaker 2: So you've probably heard of Builderberg.
Speaker 1: Builderberg group is a lot of the same people in
Speaker 1: the CFR and the Trilateral Commission, So it's at that
Speaker 1: level of like builder Berg.
Speaker 3: And CFR stands for what the Council.
Speaker 1: On Foreign Relations, which is again is kind of a
Speaker 1: supra a governmental group that has a huge amount of influence.
Speaker 1: They're semi public, semi private, so it's not a secret society,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people in secret societies like Skull
Speaker 1: and Bones or something like that. They will also be
Speaker 1: members of the CFR and the Trilateral Commission.
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Speaker 3: This is a very very deep rabbit hole, and these
Speaker 3: names have come up a few times and they're going
Speaker 3: to keep coming up. And I think again, most people
Speaker 3: have heard the names Rothschilds and Rockefellers at least have
Speaker 3: heard the family names and know that they have a
Speaker 3: lot of wealth and it's generational wealth. But most people
Speaker 3: have not done the deep dive you have into all
Speaker 3: of these subjects. So tell me a little bit more
Speaker 3: about who the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are in the past
Speaker 3: and perhaps even more importantly, in the prison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great book that's kind of a good
Speaker 1: starting place for this. And it's by a guy named
Speaker 1: doctor Carol Quigley, and he was a high level CFR
Speaker 1: archivist and historians, so he's an academic. He's a professor
Speaker 1: from Georgetown, and he's Bill Clinton's mentor, very famously.
Speaker 2: So when he wrote these books that he put out, you.
Speaker 1: Have to understand that he's not a conspiracy theorist, right,
Speaker 1: so he's not writing as if he's saying that the
Speaker 1: establishment is bad. He wrote Tragedy and Hoe, which is
Speaker 1: this big, thirteen hundred page book. It might be at
Speaker 1: my other place, but we've lectured through that book on
Speaker 1: my channel about ten years ago, through the totality of
Speaker 1: all thirteen hundred pages, so it's about sixteen hours of
Speaker 1: lecture material. But it's really important because it kind of
Speaker 1: forms the insider view that the power elite have. And
Speaker 1: that book was not written for the masses at that time.
Speaker 1: Has written, i think in the late sixties. It was
Speaker 1: written for the policy makers, the bureaucrats, and for CIA
Speaker 1: section chiefs during the Cold War to understand what the
Speaker 1: American foreign policy actions were because you had people working
Speaker 1: in the CIA who couldn't understand well, how come sometimes
Speaker 1: we're funding dictators? How come sometimes we're funding communists? This
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to make sense with what America is
Speaker 1: supposed to be about. So the book is explaining the bigger,
Speaker 1: grand perspective geopolitical stance that the Atlanticists, the Americanists elite
Speaker 1: have and so it's kind of going into what the
Speaker 1: big game plan is. And so that's why quickly is
Speaker 1: so important. And he says when he's writing the book
Speaker 1: that he is writing from the archives of the CFR itself.
Speaker 1: So these are not public accessible documents. These are documents
Speaker 1: that only he had access to. And so he wrote
Speaker 1: another book a few years later that is a shorter
Speaker 1: summary called the Anglo American Establishment, and he traces the
Speaker 1: origins of this power block and this ruling class in
Speaker 1: the West to exactly what I mentioned earlier, which is
Speaker 1: the royal society in the roundtable groups and cecil rhades
Speaker 1: his idea of creating a new British empire.
Speaker 2: Now we don't live today in a new.
Speaker 1: British empire, but America adopted that sort of perspective through
Speaker 1: the elites like David Rockefeller, who famously joined his family's
Speaker 1: wealth with the Rothchilds family wealth, and that's who's really
Speaker 1: kind of the.
Speaker 2: Ol archic class running the West. By admission, not just in.
Speaker 1: Those books, but also you see this yellow book right here,
Speaker 1: This is the Rockefellers Authorized biography.
Speaker 2: It says the same stuff in it.
Speaker 1: David Rockefeller wrote a book called Memoirs where he says
Speaker 1: all the same stuff too. He says in the chapter
Speaker 1: on Builderberg, he says, I created the Builderberg Group in
Speaker 1: part of my family, and yes, we absolutely created it
Speaker 1: to have a world government, and he.
Speaker 2: Says, I'm proud of it.
Speaker 1: So there's very public admissions and a lot of these texts,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's important to read them. So we're
Speaker 1: not going to conspiracy theorist texts. What we do on
Speaker 1: my channel, and I've lectured through about seventy of these
Speaker 1: global elite texts by now in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: What we do is we go to the sources and
Speaker 1: see what they're saying, and what do they admit and
Speaker 1: what's their plan. So with the Rothschilds, they have a
Speaker 1: very similar but perhaps older European perspective on this, and
Speaker 1: they gained a lot of power. According to doctor Quigley
Speaker 1: in his chapter on France in French baking in the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds is where they really began to come up,
Speaker 1: and they became you could argue, perhap apps almost the
Speaker 1: controlling interest in France in the seventeen hundreds and eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds through the Central Bank of France. And so what
Speaker 1: they did was they used a certain model of fiat
Speaker 1: central banking or fractional or reserve banking, which allows the
Speaker 1: private bank to be able to print into infinity however
Speaker 1: much money they want.
Speaker 2: At that time, it was based on what they called
Speaker 2: gold notes.
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's just straight fiat since Nixon took us off
Speaker 1: of the gold ctander. But this is still the same
Speaker 1: principle of loaning out and then getting interest on the
Speaker 1: money that you can print into infinity.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a never.
Speaker 1: Ending money machine that they came up with, and it's
Speaker 1: a scam, but it works very well to kind of
Speaker 1: get your grip on the entire nation. And so that
Speaker 1: same model of a centralized bank then spread to Bank
Speaker 1: of England. It spread to the US with Federal Reserve
Speaker 1: many years later. But that's how they control these nations,
Speaker 1: essentially through the money printing and through the bank. And
Speaker 1: that's why the raw Childs and the rock Fillers have
Speaker 1: had so much power and have been such a force
Speaker 1: in American politics, is that the Rockfillers representing the corporate
Speaker 1: side of things with the standard Oil and JP Morgan
Speaker 1: Chase and then the raw Childs through the older European
Speaker 1: model of banking. And many authors have argued that JP
Speaker 1: Morgan actually represented the raw Childs in the US. So
Speaker 1: that's the real power structure, and that's.
Speaker 2: The model that they use.
Speaker 1: But they have high level fixers and agents like a
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein who does a lot of the dirty work
Speaker 1: networking consulting. In fact, there was an email that came
Speaker 1: out that Epstein had planned at one point he was
Speaker 1: about to meet.
Speaker 2: With like fifteen heads of state throughout the world.
Speaker 1: And so when he said to the band and that
Speaker 1: ban and interview that I was recruited into the Trilateral
Speaker 1: Commission by David Rockefeller himself. I was as legate as
Speaker 1: Ada Sha And then he says in the emails, I
Speaker 1: represent on the legate adashe of the Rothschilds. That's telling
Speaker 1: you everything that essentially, people like quickly and a lot
Speaker 1: of these establishment apologists have been saying the whole time
Speaker 1: that that's just this is how it really works.
Speaker 3: This is quite the web. So why do you think
Speaker 3: the Epstein files came out when they did.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that there was a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: from people like MASSI and others to have it released.
Speaker 1: You know, Trump made a big deal about this, campaigning
Speaker 1: on the release of these these files, So I think
Speaker 1: that those.
Speaker 2: Are all part of the reasons why.
Speaker 1: However, you know, the redactions made it very difficult to
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what was going on, so it actually
Speaker 1: in many cases seem to protect the perpetrators. And then
Speaker 1: when I forget who it was, an Apollo Lunar, some
Speaker 1: of the Massi and others went and actually saw the
Speaker 1: unredacted files right like a month or two ago, and
Speaker 1: they said, this is insane that we redacted all these perpetrators.
Speaker 1: So it could on the way, it could on one level,
Speaker 1: be a giant sort of middle finger to say that
Speaker 1: even if we release these, it's not going to matter.
Speaker 2: Because nobody's going to be prosecuted from it.
Speaker 1: Even though, if you recall when these all came out
Speaker 1: this first batch, you had a lot of powerful people
Speaker 1: in corporate worlds and in government positions bureaucrats throughout the
Speaker 1: world stepped down because of their associations and potential criminal
Speaker 1: activities that were admitted in a lot of these files.
Speaker 1: So I think that even though there might have been
Speaker 1: some repercussions, nobody really went to jail so far as
Speaker 1: I'm aware, or has been prosecuted, So it didn't really
Speaker 1: amount to much. And it's un as Trump decided to
Speaker 1: do preemptive Iran strikes, everybody forgot about it. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be a demoralizing thing to release it and
Speaker 1: then nothing happens, or it could have just been a
Speaker 1: situation where there's so much pressure that they cave. But
Speaker 1: then again, you know, there's so much. There's so much
Speaker 1: that's redacted. I mean, I'm not saying that you can't
Speaker 1: make out what's going on even though it's redacted, but
Speaker 1: the names is the main point of Like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: who are these billionaire perpetrators?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So we figured out there's a few of these, you know,
Speaker 1: billionaires out there that are in here, but in these
Speaker 1: low level academics and professors. But who are all these
Speaker 1: other names that are redacted?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: How was the redaction explained? Like, what's the official line
Speaker 3: on the redaction.
Speaker 1: Uh, it was protecting the victims, which is what makes
Speaker 1: no sense, right, How are you protecting the victims by
Speaker 1: blacking out pretty much everybody because it's not just victims.
Speaker 1: I mean I can understand, Yeah, in some of these
Speaker 1: cases is victims blacked out, but I mean in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases it's not, So it doesn't make any sense, right,
Speaker 1: And then in other situations it's not redacted. So it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why in some case you have these low level academic professors, right,
Speaker 1: who are answering Jeffrey Epstein's emails about the most disgusting stuff, right,
Speaker 1: stuff I can't even mention. But then you've got billionaires
Speaker 1: presumably you know, that are redacted. So it's not consistently applied,
Speaker 1: is my point, which tells us that they were probably
Speaker 1: actually consistently applying it to protect certain people.
Speaker 2: But the excuse is that they're protecting victims.
Speaker 3: And do you know why they chose to So do
Speaker 3: you know, first of all, do you know how much
Speaker 3: of the total has been released? Is it something like half?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like half, right, So there's like another supposed
Speaker 1: three million, Okay.
Speaker 3: And is there an next explanation again from the official
Speaker 3: level is there. What's the explanation of why they released
Speaker 3: what they've released and why they've kept back what they kept.
Speaker 2: Back, well, why they haven't released more? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is no explanation right.
Speaker 1: For example, I think everybody was surprised that this even
Speaker 1: came out because they did that whole binder fiasco under
Speaker 1: Bondi what like eight months a year ago, where they
Speaker 1: handed out a bunch of stuff that was already public.
Speaker 1: So that was all just a photo op and you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense. But you know, Bondi got a
Speaker 1: lot of flak for that, and I think that probably
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with kind of her sort
Speaker 1: of demise in terms of the.
Speaker 2: Public size as well as other things.
Speaker 1: It's probably the same with the Patel But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's been such a disaster, and I think that
Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty pivotal turning point a lot
Speaker 1: of what Trump was doing in terms of this MAGA
Speaker 1: split that's occurred since he began to say, stop caring
Speaker 1: about Epstein. Who cares your low IQ if you care
Speaker 1: about it and you're not MAGA. You know, that was
Speaker 1: eight months a year ago, right around the same time
Speaker 1: that he was pressured to do strikes on Iran, and
Speaker 1: so that was I think a huge turning point to
Speaker 1: where it's just gotten worse with the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: So there was something going on there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that Trump himself necessarily has done something illegal.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, and I've not yet seen anything
Speaker 1: in the files that indicates that. However, I think that
Speaker 1: it's been an optics disaster and the turning point for
Speaker 1: the administration when they said, stop worrying about it, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And then this comes out, right, So it probably came
Speaker 1: out or perhaps to damage Trump, at least the Democrats
Speaker 1: thought it would damage Trump. And then of course we
Speaker 1: find out that most of the people in the intimate
Speaker 1: circles of itin for the most part, are we're basically Democrats.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to play party politics. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that these seem to be the facts. Then they decided, well,
Speaker 1: this wasn't actually that beneficial for the Democratic Party. So
Speaker 1: there could have been multiple motivations right in terms of
Speaker 1: why it was released, But regardless, what it shows us
Speaker 1: is a window into how the establishment really works, which
Speaker 1: is above the party system, and you have these international oligarchs,
Speaker 1: billionaires and essentially what if you've seen the recent James
Speaker 1: Bond movies basically Specter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just trying to get my head around it
Speaker 3: because all or nothing kind of makes more sense to
Speaker 3: me than this halfway. Okay, let's release fifty percent of
Speaker 3: it with lots of reduction. It would kind of make
Speaker 3: more sense to me if they just did what they'd
Speaker 3: been doing for the past few years and they just
Speaker 3: never released anything to the public. Obviously that's worse, I guess,
Speaker 3: but it kind of strategically if I try to put
Speaker 3: myself in their brains, which I think, thank god I can't,
Speaker 3: that that kind of makes more sense to me than
Speaker 3: doing this halfway approach. And then I don't know, is
Speaker 3: the second half going to be released? Is that gonna
Speaker 3: just stay hidden indefinitely? Does there need to be political pressure,
Speaker 3: does there need to be public outcry? You know, it's
Speaker 3: just kind of tricky to wrap my head around that part.
Speaker 3: Let alone start to wrap my head around what's actually
Speaker 3: in these files.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't expect the first batch to come out
Speaker 1: like it did because I was live streaming when it happened,
Speaker 1: and I noticed on Twitter it was like Okay, you
Speaker 1: start seeing this drip out and like more and more,
Speaker 1: you know, high profile accounts like Maro on the Fall
Speaker 1: keep putting up like just absolutely insane level stuff, which
Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago, any single one of those
Speaker 1: emails would have been like.
Speaker 2: The biggest news story for weeks.
Speaker 1: And they hear it as like every minute, like some
Speaker 1: emails dropping or some text messages dropping, where you know,
Speaker 1: you've got Epstein, He's in Ukraine a month before Zelensky
Speaker 1: comes to power. You've got Zelenski's text messages saying, I get.
Speaker 2: Me to get me Jeffrey, I need to talk to him.
Speaker 2: I need to be consulted. What do I do?
Speaker 1: You've got all these like world leaders and prime prime ministers,
Speaker 1: you know, mentioning how they need his consultation and they
Speaker 1: need his help and so uh, you know our livestream,
Speaker 1: I think for an entire week, literally like every day
Speaker 1: for hours, when I had a six hour live stream,
Speaker 1: they got like seventy thousand views, which is on my
Speaker 1: channels really big, so like it was just never ending
Speaker 1: like material and information to cover it, which just blew
Speaker 1: me away. So I didn't expect we would get that,
Speaker 1: and even what we saw in the first first batch
Speaker 1: there was just absolutely like mind blowing level stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean everything from what appears to be you know, s
Speaker 1: n uff type stuff to giving the ok to do
Speaker 1: a hit I mean assassinate. I mean, it's all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's in there that you can think of. Presumably
Speaker 1: a lot of references to trafficking.
Speaker 2: Of people.
Speaker 1: Exactly what the coded words being in terms of beef,
Speaker 1: jerkey and grape soda, I'm not sure, but it presumably
Speaker 1: it refers to some sort of black market something.
Speaker 2: So you know, the level of this.
Speaker 1: Again, it's an industrial scale operation that he had, so
Speaker 1: that I think is what's the most kind of shocking
Speaker 1: that we even saw any of that. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to distress that there were so many journalists and people that.
Speaker 2: Wrote books over the years. My publisher also.
Speaker 1: Publishes Whitney Webb's book in her volume two on Epstein,
Speaker 1: I think was pretty much vindicated in these emails. Another
Speaker 1: book that was written by guy named mac Gordon Thomas
Speaker 1: called Gideon Spies maybe twenty twenty years ago, twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago. A lot of that, a lot of his
Speaker 1: theses and theories have also been indicated by these files.
Speaker 1: So again, it's a window into how the power structure
Speaker 1: really runs things, and I think that's the most important
Speaker 1: part of it beyond you know, I mean, obviously i'd
Speaker 1: like to see, you know, a lot of high level
Speaker 1: criminals get prosecuted, but I never really thought that would happen.
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of happy that we even get
Speaker 1: this window into how the oligarchy really works.
Speaker 3: How much of it have you actually read through? Because
Speaker 3: wasn't something ridiculous, like wasn't it three million pages or something?
Speaker 1: The big ones that popped up on Twitter? So I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, Twitter was sort of the main method of
Speaker 1: looking at this. I mean I did go to the
Speaker 1: website and look up some things from the DJ itself,
Speaker 1: but rather than spending a whole lot of time like
Speaker 1: searching through the archives, what I would do is if
Speaker 1: I found one that I thought was pretty spicy, just
Speaker 1: verify look to see if that one's real.
Speaker 2: Pretty much all of them were.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I think was a little bit
Speaker 1: shady and suss or disinformation was there's so many of
Speaker 1: these files, and so many of them were things that
Speaker 1: are kind of irrelevant or they were things like random
Speaker 1: FBI tips that people could call in, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people on X were kind of not ferreting out
Speaker 1: this information very well.
Speaker 2: So they were taking things that like some schizo guy
Speaker 2: calls in to.
Speaker 1: The FBI and says Trump sought my house and he's
Speaker 1: doing this, or they took me on a boat and
Speaker 1: they were doing this and this, and I saw him
Speaker 1: eating babies and this and that, and they cut my
Speaker 1: feet with a magical sword that doesn't leave marks. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like, obviously that's a schizo person, you know,
Speaker 1: calling in a tip, right, and that's different from, for example,
Speaker 1: information from a confidential informant.
Speaker 2: So there were confidential informant reports.
Speaker 1: There were FBI reports, there were police reports, all different
Speaker 1: tiers and types of documents. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: ferreting out those was the most important thing to figure out. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not credible. This is just some guy's assertion and claims.
Speaker 1: This is an actual court case right where Epstein is
Speaker 1: involved in. You know, there's twenty million dollars here, there's
Speaker 1: ten million dollars here. Those I think were the most
Speaker 1: important things. And the admissions of how they view where
Speaker 1: to move money, and you know what the the chaos
Speaker 1: in certain regions does for moving money.
Speaker 2: Basically, I think those were the most most insightful.
Speaker 3: There was something you mentioned earlier about Ukraine and Zelensky
Speaker 3: saying that he needs Epstein. I have not seen those emails.
Speaker 3: What's that about?
Speaker 1: Well, actually those were text messages where so there's one
Speaker 1: email where Epstein is saying, hey, blah blah blah, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be in the Ukraine and blah blah. I
Speaker 1: forget what the date was, but that was one month
Speaker 1: before Zelenski came to power, so a lot of people said,
Speaker 1: that's very curious that he would be there. And then
Speaker 1: there were text messages where Zelenski was saying, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to Jeffrey. He's really good at consulting on
Speaker 1: these kinds of issues. And there were at least three
Speaker 1: or four of those.
Speaker 3: And those are messages sent between who where is that?
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes the names are redacted, so it could be
Speaker 1: Zelensky and Bannon, or it could be Zelensky talking to
Speaker 1: someone else, but a lot of the text messages appear
Speaker 1: to be Epstein and Bannon back and forth, and so
Speaker 1: I think the Zelenski one was perhaps Bannon or it's redacted.
Speaker 2: I don't recall the top of my head, got it,
Speaker 2: But you can. You can find them pretty pretty easily.
Speaker 1: You just type in Epstein Zolensky text messages they'll come up.
Speaker 3: So Zelenski's I assume, so his name was not redacted
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 2: No, not in the text messages. Yeah, this is this.
Speaker 3: Is the thing. I'm trying to get my my again.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand the what what's redacted and what's
Speaker 3: what's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the logic of how they did it,
Speaker 1: or I mean, perhaps they applied to program to it,
Speaker 1: because I mean it seems difficult for human beings to
Speaker 1: redact three million documents.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be a lot of work.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like there's probably some computer program
Speaker 1: that would do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also, I'm also confused by the three million numbers,
Speaker 3: So what does that what does that include? Because I
Speaker 3: don't know, I mean, if you if someone even took
Speaker 3: I mean in my whole lifetime, right, I haven't even
Speaker 3: sent three million emails and text like through my entire lifetime,
Speaker 3: let alone ones that are shady, but like I don't
Speaker 3: even know, like where what's that three million number? Like
Speaker 3: what was included?
Speaker 1: It's everything, So it's basically news articles. And the reason
Speaker 1: that it's so high level are so many such a
Speaker 1: high number is because they were still collecting you know,
Speaker 1: data and.
Speaker 2: Reports all the way up until recently.
Speaker 1: So basically anything in the media about Epstein, which countless
Speaker 1: news articles. It could be police reports, court case documents,
Speaker 1: FBI reports. I don't think there's a I can't recall
Speaker 1: anything from the CIA except for maybe oblique references to
Speaker 1: certain things, but a lot of FBI related documents and materials,
Speaker 1: and then like I said, like confidential informant reports as
Speaker 1: well as tips, so you know, somebody just calling in
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I was you know, Jeffrey Epstein touched
Speaker 1: my butt in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Well that makes it in there then as a you know,
Speaker 2: as a document.
Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of those photos videos, So
Speaker 1: there were photo and video files of all kinds of
Speaker 1: kind of really horrendous stuff. A lot of that was
Speaker 1: also blacked out too, For example, many images of Epstein
Speaker 1: and powerful people with what appeared to be very young,
Speaker 1: underage and children aged people.
Speaker 2: So that's why it was so many jeez.
Speaker 3: So this might be a very naive question, but I'm
Speaker 3: still trying to get clear on who Jeffrey Epstein actually
Speaker 3: worked for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's a great question, and it looks like again,
Speaker 1: I think the best way to understand this, because it
Speaker 1: seems to be conflicting allegiances, is to understand that he
Speaker 1: actually worked for a very high level international oligarchical power
Speaker 1: structure and elite. So if we understand that model, which
Speaker 1: is this model that I've been talking about of how
Speaker 1: you know, quickly discusses these steering committees of these high
Speaker 1: level people like Builderberger level people, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Kissinger level people.
Speaker 1: If we understand that that's really running things in the
Speaker 1: West and has for a long time, for perhaps a
Speaker 1: century or so, that's a better model to understand and
Speaker 1: explain how it makes sense that Jeffrey Epstein appears to
Speaker 1: have several different allegiances because there appears to obviously be
Speaker 1: a Masad connection, with Massad outfitting his estates and mansions
Speaker 1: and houses with surveillance equipment. Admittedly, Ewood Barock visits his
Speaker 1: New York residences dozens of times. According to mainstream media,
Speaker 1: they have extensive conversations in the files, even some of
Speaker 1: the audio conversations leaked where Epstein is explaining to Ewood
Speaker 1: Barack who Peter Thiel is and how they need to
Speaker 1: try to get him into their sway, into their circles.
Speaker 1: They mentioned a lot of tech billionaires kind of been
Speaker 1: trapping them, bringing them in, getting them on board. So
Speaker 1: if we understand that perspective, then we can say, ok now,
Speaker 1: now it actually makes sense that you have these emails
Speaker 1: that Mike Benn's highlighted where Epstein is able to use
Speaker 1: CIA planes for many decades at the same time as
Speaker 1: he's got these connections with British intelligence high level people
Speaker 1: in the UK through Maxwell and just laying obviously because
Speaker 1: Maxwell worked for British intelligence as well as trying to
Speaker 1: also play both sides of the Cold War with the
Speaker 1: Soviets and with Israel. And so there's a supra international
Speaker 1: elite and that's who Epstein worked for. So you could
Speaker 1: say it's British Intelligence and the CIA and the Masade
Speaker 1: and perhaps the Five Eyes intelligence structure, that oligarchical elite
Speaker 1: is what we work for.
Speaker 3: Jeez ah boy, I mean, how deep do you think
Speaker 3: the rot goes?
Speaker 2: I mean, to a degree.
Speaker 1: Like we said at the beginning, you know, nation states
Speaker 1: have all always operated with blackmailers and intelligence operatives and
Speaker 1: used you know, these kinds of operations to a degree.
Speaker 1: But I think the difference here is that we're beyond
Speaker 1: the nation state level. You know, this is more than
Speaker 1: kings having a network of prostitutes. You know, this is
Speaker 1: an industrial scale operation that's not just about blackmailing high power,
Speaker 1: high power people. It's a lot to do with money laundering,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to do with international finance.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that.
Speaker 1: People missed when they talked about Epstein, or then when
Speaker 1: they thought about it, they came out in the Bannon interview,
Speaker 1: the first twenty or thirty minutes of the interview, he's
Speaker 1: unless Bannon is playing stupid, like he's having to explain
Speaker 1: to Bannon what forractional reserve banking is and how it works,
Speaker 1: which was odd because it would have thought Steve.
Speaker 2: Banner knew what that was and how it worked. But
Speaker 2: maybe he was playing dumb. I don't know. But and
Speaker 2: then he goes into explaining to Bannon.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I was recruited to help consult and
Speaker 1: explain to you know, high level power players like on
Speaker 1: the CFR Charlateral Commission boards, like how to do criminal
Speaker 1: operations and consulting at that high level. He even said
Speaker 1: that when he was in jail when he first got arrested,
Speaker 1: like he would he would when he had his like
Speaker 1: daily phone call, like one phone.
Speaker 2: Call or whatever the prison rules are.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I would go called ahead of you know,
Speaker 1: JP Morgan and tell him what to do, where to
Speaker 1: move money during the.
Speaker 2: Bailouts and the housing collapse.
Speaker 1: So like he was even if you've watched Good Fellas
Speaker 1: or like gangster movies, right, like you know how they're
Speaker 1: in they're in prison and they're still running the family
Speaker 1: organization from jail.
Speaker 2: Like that's what he was.
Speaker 1: Doing, right, he was actually and he was laughing and
Speaker 1: bragging about that to Epstein.
Speaker 2: So so he's.
Speaker 1: Again a high level criminal fixer and consultant, and the
Speaker 1: rock goes as deep I guess as.
Speaker 2: The highest levels of power in the West.
Speaker 1: And I mean this even ties into the Vatican, right
Speaker 1: because Epstein several times went to the Vatican, especially under
Speaker 1: John Paul the Second. They seem to have a pretty
Speaker 1: close relationship. According to several of the emails, Epstein claimed
Speaker 1: at least to even be given pieces of architecture for
Speaker 1: his house from John Paul the Second. He claims to
Speaker 1: have consulted John Paul on architectural stuff.
Speaker 2: Then we have that.
Speaker 1: Image of him and just laying being blessed by the Pope.
Speaker 1: And he's not the only high level, you know, PDF
Speaker 1: connected fixer who was closed to John Paul the Second.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Saville was also knighted by John Paul the Second,
Speaker 1: who was a high level PDF fixer in the same
Speaker 1: circles that Epstein was in. So again, there seems to
Speaker 1: be a pattern here of how this works. He even
Speaker 1: explains to Larry Summers, the Clinton era banker and Harvard
Speaker 1: vulture capitol guy, what the Vatican Bank is and how
Speaker 1: it works is a great tool for international money laundering that.
Speaker 2: The CIA is used historically.
Speaker 1: So he's even explaining like the Vatican Bank to people
Speaker 1: and how it ties into their network. And the Rothschilds
Speaker 1: have been the Vatican bankers for at least a couple
Speaker 1: hundred years, so that's how deep it goes into the
Speaker 1: Vatican as well as well.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: wonder why there hasn't been why there haven't been more
Speaker 3: questions about all of this stuff over the years or
Speaker 3: the decades or even now, there doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: that much sustained interest about the Epstein files. When he
Speaker 3: supposedly ended his own life a few years ago, allegedly,
Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot of talk about that
Speaker 3: and memes on the internet for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: and then it just kind of disappeared, and people's generally
Speaker 3: lost interest and stopped asking questions. And I think part
Speaker 3: of it is just because it just seems like insanely
Speaker 3: complicated to even get your head around. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: here talking to you and just listening, and I myself
Speaker 3: as someone who is intrigued to really understand what's going
Speaker 3: on here and what's been going on here, and who
Speaker 3: is really running the world, who's really really running our nations?
Speaker 3: All this type of stuff, and like my brain is
Speaker 3: my brain gets overloaded and I'm just like what, like
Speaker 3: everything is, everything is connected to everything, and there's like
Speaker 3: all of these things going on at once. It's not
Speaker 3: just the it's not just trafficking, it's not just money laundering,
Speaker 3: it's not just central banking and moving money. It's not
Speaker 3: just manipulating foreign wars and conflicts overseas. It's just like
Speaker 3: it's like everything, and it seems like everybody at every
Speaker 3: level to some degree, is somehow involved or complicit. And
Speaker 3: I think because of the complexity, a lot of people
Speaker 3: just kind of shrug their shoulders in. It's just like
Speaker 3: like I don't know, like, you know, I guess, I
Speaker 3: guess it's just all corrupt. But I can't even you know,
Speaker 3: occupy my brain with all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Well I get, yeah, I feel that, but really it's
Speaker 2: kind of simple.
Speaker 1: I mean that's why in my books, for example, I
Speaker 1: always try to use movies as kind of an avenue
Speaker 1: to kind of hopefully explain it or kind of get
Speaker 1: the basics through to people, because you know, we've said
Speaker 1: a lot of names and a lot of organizations or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it sounds kind of maybe complicated with all these names,
Speaker 1: and we need like a corkboard with you know, string
Speaker 1: to tie all the people, like a FBI or the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist has, you know, with their corkboard. But uh, really,
Speaker 1: if you watch a movie like Specter, the recent one
Speaker 1: with the Daniel Craig, the James Bond.
Speaker 2: Movie, It's kind of like that, right.
Speaker 1: You know, you have this international corporate banking super elite
Speaker 1: and they meet, you know, in places like Rome or
Speaker 1: you know, Builderberg for example, just happened in DC this
Speaker 1: year ironically, which hasn't happened since the nineties. But you know,
Speaker 1: they have these you know privates, I mean private meetings
Speaker 1: where they really discuss and set policy. And my guess
Speaker 1: would be that there's also meetings that are that are
Speaker 1: completely private, right, that happens amongst the higher level groups
Speaker 1: and people, and so what you see and for example,
Speaker 1: in the movie Specter is uh, Specter meets in Rome
Speaker 1: in this giant sort of villa. It's really elite place,
Speaker 1: and James bond infiltrates it and when he gets there,
Speaker 1: he kind of sneaks up into the balcony and he's listening,
Speaker 1: and they're doing this boardroom meeting in this giant you know,
Speaker 1: sort of fancy hallway. And then you've got all these
Speaker 1: people sitting around this giant, you know, this giant table,
Speaker 1: and they're they're listing the stats for the criminal operations
Speaker 1: and so they're basically like, yes, this year, you know,
Speaker 1: human trafficking is up fifty percent and then this other
Speaker 1: person's like yes, and then and we've received you know,
Speaker 1: to ten billion dollars through you know, you know, heroin
Speaker 1: trafficking in this region and this.
Speaker 2: So this is really like.
Speaker 1: That there are actual people who get the equivalent of
Speaker 1: a PhD and how to run criminal operations. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people that that sounds kind of
Speaker 1: foreign to them, but or that that wouldn't exist. But again,
Speaker 1: to go back to the example of organized crime, when
Speaker 1: I interviewed Sammy the Bull, you know, the way he
Speaker 1: describes the structure of the Sicilian mafia in New York
Speaker 1: and throughout the country and also into into Sicily. You've
Speaker 1: got hundreds of years of people who know how to
Speaker 1: set up criminal work organizations so that they don't get
Speaker 1: caught or if you bust one sell, the rest of
Speaker 1: the structure is left untouched.
Speaker 2: And that model is very effective.
Speaker 1: In fact, I had dinner with a guy some years
Speaker 1: ago who was part of the US team's prosecution in
Speaker 1: Brazil in what's called the car Wash scandal, and the
Speaker 1: way he described the way that this organization had corrupted
Speaker 1: the entire government was at the level of a PhD
Speaker 1: in crime. So basically this guy who they called the Sicilian,
Speaker 1: they didn't use his real name. He was a criminal
Speaker 1: mastermind and he had figured out a very cunning way
Speaker 1: within Brazil, the entire country and government to be corrupted,
Speaker 1: and you couldn't really uncover it until there was an
Speaker 1: accidental mistake that somebody made by leaving a car to
Speaker 1: car wash, hence what's called the car wash scandal, and
Speaker 1: this led to the entire Brazilian government being exposed as
Speaker 1: controlled by one criminal organization. And the same model applied
Speaker 1: to Operation Gladio, which is what the CIA did in
Speaker 1: Italy to control it through Kissinger. According to some authors
Speaker 1: and consultants, namely Polliams's book on Gladio, he says that
Speaker 1: Kissinger was running Gladio through an organized crime structure in
Speaker 1: Italy that included both secret societies and the mafia, and
Speaker 1: so they basically co opted the entire Italian parliament and
Speaker 1: the cardinals in the Vatican through this Epstein style model
Speaker 1: of like bringing people to parties, compromising them with women, men, whatever, kids,
Speaker 1: and then you can control the entire government that way
Speaker 1: because you've got dirt on everybody. The dirt has had
Speaker 1: through both.
Speaker 2: The mafia and organized crime, the organized crime can enforce it.
Speaker 1: And it was all tied into the Italian banking system,
Speaker 1: the Bank of the Ambrosio, which collapsed because they were
Speaker 1: stealing people's pensions and betting on the pensions, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, same model as the FTX collapse.
Speaker 2: And so when I was asking.
Speaker 1: This guy who prosecuted the car wash scandal in Brazil,
Speaker 1: I said, this sounds a lot like FTX and Gladio,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, they're their exact same model. So
Speaker 1: essentially there's templates that can be used at a national
Speaker 1: scale or at a corporate scale in the case of
Speaker 1: like FTX, where it's a model of theft that is
Speaker 1: very perceptive and how there's cutouts and there's shell corporations.
Speaker 1: It's insane the level of confusion and sort of plausible
Speaker 1: deniability and distancing that they can set out. But long
Speaker 1: story short, there's criminal PhDs who organize these things.
Speaker 3: Okay, So within this web, who are the that's a
Speaker 3: question I want to ask here, who are like the
Speaker 3: good guys? Is that a thing?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean in this web, there's no good guys.
Speaker 3: So it's okay, So I don't mean people involved, but
Speaker 3: I mean, if we're talking about you know, if we're
Speaker 3: talking about we've got corruption at the at the national level,
Speaker 3: and then you've mentioned this sort of super national level
Speaker 3: which is going across countries and sitting across governments, then
Speaker 3: to actually expose and bring down this level of corruption
Speaker 3: and just gross immor immorality, I mean, are there people
Speaker 3: in positions who even could do that? Do you kind
Speaker 3: of see what I mean? Like, is it or is
Speaker 3: the web? Is the web kind of caught so many
Speaker 3: people in it with all these different pressures and all
Speaker 3: of this blackmail. Like I'm assuming that you know, not
Speaker 3: every single person and every single Western government is like compromised, right,
Speaker 3: has you know, not everyone's like been to Epstein Island
Speaker 3: and you know, been caught on camera doing something sketchy
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm sure some people have. I would like
Speaker 3: to think the majority have not. But is there some
Speaker 3: other way that they're I don't know, putting pressure on
Speaker 3: them or keeping them silent or preventing this from being
Speaker 3: further exposed. Because the way I look at it, just
Speaker 3: using my common sense, it seems like Jeffrey Epstein's kind
Speaker 3: of like the tip of the iceberg. He's the name
Speaker 3: that people know. He's the face that people recognize. But
Speaker 3: I would assume that Jeffrey Epstein was not the only
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein type character in operation.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And again, you know there's some weird stuff
Speaker 1: with you know, he was given control of Leslie Wexner's
Speaker 1: entire fortune, right, so's he He's a billionaire figure who
Speaker 1: is probably most known for kind of owning a lot
Speaker 1: of fashion brands like Victoria's Secret and you know, like Abercrombie,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Those were all part of the
Speaker 1: Wexner sort of brand. And this is where you get
Speaker 1: these other figures like Jean Luke Burnell, who also underliped
Speaker 1: himself and seems to have been kind of a similar
Speaker 1: type of figure to Epstein, And under the guise of
Speaker 1: recruiting models, right and working for supposedly Victoria's Secret, he
Speaker 1: was able to then kind of get access to a
Speaker 1: lot of the women for that part of the operation.
Speaker 1: And it also again ties into a lot of really
Speaker 1: sort of esoteric international finance money laundering stuff, which is
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to understand, even even though I have
Speaker 1: like a hard time understanding a lot of how the
Speaker 1: money launtering stuff where's because it's so complicated and complex
Speaker 1: by design, and the reason they do it in a
Speaker 1: very complex shell company way is that that makes it
Speaker 1: very hard to understand and investigate. So that's why I
Speaker 1: like FBI or whoever starts looking at those things, like
Speaker 1: it takes them a long time to build the case
Speaker 1: and figure out exactly how it worked. Same with like
Speaker 1: the Brazilian car washcandle, like it took a long time
Speaker 1: for them to figure out the super complex criminal operation.
Speaker 1: But so there are good people in the sense of
Speaker 1: usually I think a lot of you know, people who
Speaker 1: are whistleblowers are great examples. I just did a pretty lengthy,
Speaker 1: in depth interview with John Kiriaku. He had me on
Speaker 1: his show, and you know, he's a famous CIA whistleblower
Speaker 1: who blew the whistle on the torture program and the
Speaker 1: Obama administration went after him, and you know, he stood
Speaker 1: up against all that. So I think Kuriaoke is agree
Speaker 1: great example of a whistle blower. And you could argue that,
Speaker 1: you know, Julian Assange is a whistleblower, So I think
Speaker 1: there have been other obviously.
Speaker 2: Other CIA whistleblower people.
Speaker 1: So I think many of those people are genuine, and
Speaker 1: they really do shine a light on the corruption in
Speaker 1: the system and the establishment. I mean, perhaps there are
Speaker 1: white hats in the government as well. Perhaps we don't
Speaker 1: know those people. They leak things or they bring things out,
Speaker 1: and we don't always know their names. And I don't
Speaker 1: think everybody in you know, intelligence or in the military
Speaker 1: or you know, is bad or compromise. I think it's
Speaker 1: the higher you go, the more powerful, the more you
Speaker 1: know Kissinger level people or Brazensky level people, those are
Speaker 1: the real uh. They call themselves the wise men. That's
Speaker 1: their their terminology for themselves as this as the sort
Speaker 1: of oligarchy, right, So I think the closer you get
Speaker 1: to those oligarchical power people, the less likely you are
Speaker 1: to have virtue because they don't see the world that way.
Speaker 1: They just really see it as all pure Nietzschean power politics.
Speaker 1: So for them, there's no virtue that dictates anything in
Speaker 1: that realm. It's just pure power moves. That's pure you know,
Speaker 1: real politics. That's how they see it. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think there have been you know, noble virtuous people
Speaker 1: who have opposed this. A lot of journalists have written
Speaker 1: very powerful exposes and books and histories on this. But
Speaker 1: usually again the heroes or the good guys are people
Speaker 1: at the mid tier and then the rest of the population. Right,
Speaker 1: the higher you go, the more likely you are to
Speaker 1: be compromised, and at least they at least they try
Speaker 1: to bring those people in it. And that's what you
Speaker 1: see with Epstein, right, is like they didn't just target
Speaker 1: like bankers. I mean they went after celebrities, they went
Speaker 1: after high level politicians, they went after corporate people, they
Speaker 1: went after high level scientists. Right, you have those emails
Speaker 1: between Epstein and Bill Gates talking about pandemic simulations in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. So it's every area of society where you
Speaker 1: have influencers and influential people, and they don't even have
Speaker 1: to get everybody. They just need the key people in
Speaker 1: those industries. So you don't need every oil magnate, but
Speaker 1: if you can get a couple key oil magnates, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of influence in that industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his names come up a few times, So can
Speaker 3: you tell me a little bit more about Kissinger?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Henry Kissinger was He's an interesting figure. He was
Speaker 1: an intelligence officer. I want to I'm going for memory.
Speaker 1: I want to say the army in maybe one of
Speaker 1: the early conflicts. I forget whether it was like Vietnam
Speaker 1: or something like that, but I don't think he came
Speaker 1: from from from wealth. And one thing that's interesting about
Speaker 1: the Western power structure is that it's not always necessarily
Speaker 1: wealthy people, because a lot of people come from a
Speaker 1: lower to mid mid mid class at times that can
Speaker 1: be recruited into the power structure depending upon their capability.
Speaker 1: So in the case of Henry Kissinger, he was apparently
Speaker 1: proficient in his intelligence at work, and then he went
Speaker 1: on to do a lot of high level academic stuff.
Speaker 1: He wrote a thesis on Adrold Spangler, which I think
Speaker 1: caught the attention of Rockefeller, and so he was immediately
Speaker 1: recruited by the Rockefellers into kind of being what you
Speaker 1: could argue is maybe their sort of main league Gate
Speaker 1: or at the SHAE for many decades. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: was obviously a member of you know, high level CFR
Speaker 1: type stuff, and then came up with the idea that
Speaker 1: he proposed to David Rocke Rockefeller for a Trilateral Commission,
Speaker 1: which would be a higher level committee for Brazenski. So
Speaker 1: he really became the point man in the face of
Speaker 1: the Rockefellers for many decades. And that's why when you
Speaker 1: see Kissinger there in all of these administrations going back
Speaker 1: to like Nixon, that's the oligarchy in the background, really,
Speaker 1: you know, as I think he was a national security advisor,
Speaker 1: or maybe he was the what's the I forget that
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going blank on the term that
Speaker 1: like Brezenski was, you know, uh, the main advisor to
Speaker 1: Carter and these different presidents, right, So that's the role
Speaker 1: that these.
Speaker 2: People kind of play in the background.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see we saw Brazenski there from Carter
Speaker 1: up to Obama, right, he was Obama's security advisor, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's a key role for this type of person,
Speaker 1: you know, at the State Department and in other places
Speaker 1: like that, kind.
Speaker 2: Of calling the shots.
Speaker 1: In the background, but not in a secret way, in
Speaker 1: a semi public, semi private way. So I think they
Speaker 1: did the establishment discovered that that model works better.
Speaker 2: Than it being totally secret.
Speaker 1: Why not just have a figure like a Kissinger there
Speaker 1: for decades, you know, kind of advising the president what
Speaker 1: the real power structure, namely the billionaires and the trillionaires
Speaker 1: or whatever. You want to say what they want done.
Speaker 1: So that's who Henry Kissinger is, is one of these
Speaker 1: these high level consultants who's actually a league gate of
Speaker 1: the oligarchs.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, man? Oh okay, So when you talk about the
Speaker 3: oligarchs and the oligarchy, and you know, I think that
Speaker 3: terms being used a bit interchangeably with billionaires sometimes. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand who we are talking about here,
Speaker 3: because obviously not not you know, billionaires are not some monolith, right,
Speaker 3: Not every single billionaire is, right, Like, not every single
Speaker 3: billionaire is some weird dude running around with Epstein trying
Speaker 3: to control the world or you know, whatever this oligarchy is.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to understand, like, who is in this
Speaker 3: oligarchy and how big is it, especially because a lot
Speaker 3: of billionaires who are public figures obviously were targeted by
Speaker 3: Epstein and other types. And I kind of assume that
Speaker 3: if they're being targeted and you're trying to get this
Speaker 3: dirt on them and bring them into this web, it
Speaker 3: suggests that they're not necessarily already inside it. Does that
Speaker 3: make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, I mean when I say a lot garky,
Speaker 1: I'm just referring to what I believe is the real
Speaker 1: power movers and shakers.
Speaker 2: Right, one of these.
Speaker 1: People from the Kissinger group, I think he's from the
Speaker 1: Kissinger group.
Speaker 2: I've ever call.
Speaker 1: His name's David Rothcobb, and he wrote a book called
Speaker 1: The Superclass, and he talked about how there's really just
Speaker 1: a couple thousand people that run the world, and that
Speaker 1: that's what I mean by the oligarchy. And oligarchy is
Speaker 1: an old term going back to you know, ancient Greece,
Speaker 1: where you had times where you know, the Greeks would
Speaker 1: fall under the rule of these tyrants who weren't politicians necessarily.
Speaker 1: They might just be just wealthy individuals who exercise a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of control and power beyond what any democratically elected.
Speaker 2: Official might might exercise.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense just practically speaking. I mean, if a senator makes
Speaker 1: or a congressman makes you know, one d two hundred
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: A year, who do you think has more power or
Speaker 2: a billionaire.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously billionaires have a lot more power in
Speaker 1: our system, especially than some bureaucrat or some legislator. So
Speaker 1: that's what I typically mean by oligarch. And the thing
Speaker 1: with oligarchy is that even if they don't like each other,
Speaker 1: oligarchs can get together and.
Speaker 2: Network and have.
Speaker 1: A lot of power as a group or as a
Speaker 1: semi secret, semi private group beyond what elected officials might have.
Speaker 1: So when I say the oligarchy, that's what I'm referring to,
Speaker 1: not just any billionaire, but specifically, as we said a
Speaker 1: minute ago, certain ones that are targeted for these types
Speaker 1: of groups and networks or recruited into them or compromised.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different possibilities, and they don't even
Speaker 1: have to necessarily be personally wealthy in the case of
Speaker 1: Kissinger or even himself. Epstein himself wasn't wealthy, but he
Speaker 1: was recruited into this and put into positions of.
Speaker 2: Power by wealthy people.
Speaker 1: So sometimes people will talk about bloods and brains, right,
Speaker 1: So blood's being blue bloods are people that are inheriting
Speaker 1: or born into a lot of wealth, and then brains
Speaker 1: being people recruited into it, like a Brazenski or a Kissinger,
Speaker 1: who are exceptionally intelligent, high IQ people who are used
Speaker 1: by this oligarchy, this wealth structure to, you know, to
Speaker 1: further the cause of the oligarchy.
Speaker 2: A good example of this was some years.
Speaker 1: Ago when it came out mainstream media, for example, The
Speaker 1: Guardian did a big piece on it. I'm not promoting
Speaker 1: the Guardian, I'm just saying they're a source for this.
Speaker 1: There was a meeting called the Good Club and this
Speaker 1: was Bill Gates, George Soros, Oprah, I forget a few
Speaker 1: other billionaires that were there, and they were meeting to
Speaker 1: discuss how to further the agenda of depopulation. So that's
Speaker 1: one example of the types of things that the Guardian covered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just look up the Good Club, Bill Gates, Oprah and
Speaker 1: you'll get their article on their meeting. And they were
Speaker 1: just very candid about it that they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're meeting to discuss how to depopulate the world.
Speaker 3: So okay, I'm gonna google that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look it up. It's a classic.
Speaker 1: But you know's there's plenty of other examples. I mean,
Speaker 1: essentially that's what builderberg is and you have to understand
Speaker 1: it's not just one group. These are all the same
Speaker 1: types of steering committee, NGO foundation type groups and meetings
Speaker 1: that occur all the time. So the same people that
Speaker 1: go to Builderberg usually are also members of the CFR,
Speaker 1: and they're usually also members of the Council Foreign Relations,
Speaker 1: and they're usually also you know, part and parcel of
Speaker 1: some other group like this. So all of these groups
Speaker 1: participate in and work together for the Western power structure,
Speaker 1: which you could.
Speaker 2: Call the Atlanticist elite.
Speaker 1: That's the term that Carol Quigley uses, and that's just
Speaker 1: a term that comes out of an older British model
Speaker 1: by a famous geopolitical strategist named Lord Halford mckinder, and
Speaker 1: mckinder is the one that came up with the present
Speaker 1: it's still used today, which is.
Speaker 2: The heartland rim Land model of the world. Right. So the.
Speaker 1: Perspective here is that to control the world, you need
Speaker 1: to control what's called the heartland, which is the Eurasian heartland.
Speaker 1: So because Eurasia is vast, it has most of the
Speaker 1: world's population, it has a lot of the world's resources.
Speaker 1: If you can control that, that means you have the
Speaker 1: upper hand in global power politics. So that's why, for example,
Speaker 1: Ukraine was really important and Braziski wrote a whole book
Speaker 1: on this. One of his last books was called Strategic Vision,
Speaker 1: and in that book, he says that to really control
Speaker 1: the world, we need to control the Eurasian Hartland. He
Speaker 1: said the same thing, by the way, all the way
Speaker 1: back in his book Grand Chessboard, and I think the
Speaker 1: late nineties.
Speaker 3: But why do they write these books.
Speaker 1: Well, the books are written for that class, the political
Speaker 1: and intellectual academic class. And well, for example, when I
Speaker 1: was studying a lot of this stuff in grad school,
Speaker 1: like I went to my library one day because I
Speaker 1: was a research assistant, so I was working in the library,
Speaker 1: and before I owned Tragian Hope.
Speaker 2: I checked it out, and my library had.
Speaker 1: Tragian Hope since like the nineteen seventies, came out in
Speaker 1: the late sixties. Right, guess how many times somebody had
Speaker 1: checked out that book when I checked it out in
Speaker 1: all those decades. I checked it out probably in around
Speaker 1: twenty ten or eleven. Guess how many times people had
Speaker 1: checked it out?
Speaker 3: So you said, in what timeframe.
Speaker 2: Our copy was?
Speaker 1: I think had been there since the seventies, late seventies.
Speaker 1: So from the late seventies until twenty ten, how many
Speaker 1: times would you think that.
Speaker 2: Tragi Hope was checked out?
Speaker 3: Three times?
Speaker 1: No, I was the second, and all that time I
Speaker 1: was the second person that had ever checked out the book. Right, So,
Speaker 1: like I said, like a lot of books like that,
Speaker 1: at least before the internet. Uh, those were those books
Speaker 1: were written for academia and for people in government, right,
Speaker 1: So they they weren't written for the public.
Speaker 2: They're not mass mass public texts.
Speaker 1: And even all the way up until Brazenski's time, right,
Speaker 1: because he passed away a few years ago, like he
Speaker 1: would say in interviews and in because he was in
Speaker 1: he was on TV media quite a bit. You know,
Speaker 1: his daughter Mika Brezenski is still I think on MSNBC.
Speaker 1: But like he would say all the time, like the
Speaker 1: public has a two week attention span at max, so
Speaker 1: they're not they're not going to remember the news story
Speaker 1: from three weeks ago. And we just saw this with Epstein,
Speaker 1: Like people have already forgotten Epstein.
Speaker 3: I hate, I hate that he's correct, He's so great.
Speaker 1: And that unfortunate, but you know, that's that's the I
Speaker 1: think the attitude about why they would publish a lot
Speaker 1: of these big policy papers and books is that they
Speaker 1: just I mean, they know and they don't think the
Speaker 1: public will care or do anything about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite damning. One more question, before you before
Speaker 3: you round this out, is is Hollywood connected to this?
Speaker 3: And if so, how.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely great question. And again.
Speaker 1: This very question right like was something I found the
Speaker 1: most most interesting and fixated me. And this is why
Speaker 1: I wrote, you know, three books on it was precisely
Speaker 1: because there is this fascinating connection between even the early
Speaker 1: stays of Hollywood, Like they were already using movies for
Speaker 1: propaganda back in the nineteen teens and twenties. Some of
Speaker 1: the biggest movies, earliest blockbusters, like Howard Hughes' movies like
Speaker 1: Hell's Angels, those were war propaganda films. So they were
Speaker 1: already doing propaganda as soon as the camera was invented, basically.
Speaker 2: And other countries did the same thing.
Speaker 1: You had people in you know, Lenny Riefenstahl in Germany,
Speaker 1: you had.
Speaker 2: His name's Eisenstein.
Speaker 1: In Soviet Russia, they were using the camera to film
Speaker 1: propaganda films right away. So you know, what happened with
Speaker 1: Hollywood was that you had what eventually became a studio
Speaker 1: system where you had you know, three, four or five
Speaker 1: six studios that sort of became the dominant power structure
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and a lot of the studio heads
Speaker 1: would work with a consult with the military and the Pentagon,
Speaker 1: and eventually the OSS and the CIA. So the OSS
Speaker 1: is the precursor to the CIA from from nineteen forty
Speaker 1: two until nineteen forty seven. From nineteen forty seven on,
Speaker 1: it's the CIA, but it was this relationship was so
Speaker 1: tight that some of the biggest actors in the history
Speaker 1: of cinema have been spies openly, and a lot of
Speaker 1: this was only declassified in the last few years, but
Speaker 1: it's all pretty much on record now. The National Archives
Speaker 1: just recently, for example, declassified some stuff that confirmed a
Speaker 1: lot of people's theories that you have people like Jimmy Stewart,
Speaker 1: he was working for the FBI. You had people like
Speaker 1: Carry Grant, he worked with the OSS. The famous director
Speaker 1: John Ford made movies directly with the OSS.
Speaker 2: In fact, the OSS.
Speaker 3: What's in the OSS, I'm not familiar with that.
Speaker 1: So the OSS is the Officer of Strategic Services, that's
Speaker 1: the predecessor to the CIA. So basically, in nineteen forty
Speaker 1: two you had Bill Donovan set up under FDR what's
Speaker 1: called the OSS, which was the advice that British intelligence
Speaker 1: gave to the administration at that time that you need
Speaker 1: your own private secret service or security apparatus, right, not
Speaker 1: for the president himself, but for the country to have
Speaker 1: essentially its own private intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 2: And I would argue, as F.
Speaker 1: William Ingdall does that, Really it's just the Rockefeller's private Army,
Speaker 1: is what the OSS was. And so Bill Donovan set
Speaker 1: up this organization after the model of how British Intelligence worked.
Speaker 1: So the British SIS or five and MI six became
Speaker 1: the structure for and the consulting brains behind the OSS,
Speaker 1: which in nineteen forty seven got rebranded and reformatted into
Speaker 1: the CIA.
Speaker 2: So basically that structure was also working hand in hand
Speaker 2: with Hollywood.
Speaker 1: For example, one of those key figures from British Intelligence
Speaker 1: that helped Donovan set up the OSS was In Fleming,
Speaker 1: who wrote all the Bond stories, So James Bond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why I.
Speaker 1: So I wrote my I never finished my master's thesis,
Speaker 1: but I published what I did complete in peer review.
Speaker 1: It's called The Mini Layers of Double seven if you
Speaker 1: want to look it up. But the thesis is about
Speaker 1: how intelligence was using Bond as a form of propaganda
Speaker 1: during the Cold War. So those Bond movies are propaganda
Speaker 1: for those that don't know, for the Cold War. So
Speaker 1: that's a great example, Probably the greatest example of all
Speaker 1: of this is James Bond, Right, James Bond is you know,
Speaker 1: the Western power structures intelligence apparatus, usage of an image
Speaker 1: and a symbol in Hollywood to convey a message to
Speaker 1: the public during the Cold War.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that that makes the Soviets good.
Speaker 2: They're not good. They did the exact same thing, right, So.
Speaker 1: Both the East the West are utilizing this, you know,
Speaker 1: this new power of Hollywood for propaganda. In fact, Edward
Speaker 1: Burnees said that the most powerful engine of propaganda the
Speaker 1: world's ever seen was Hollywood. So that's why Hollywood is
Speaker 1: so crucial. It's the modern myth maker, it's the modern storyteller.
Speaker 1: It gives the population their archetypal paradigm and worldview way
Speaker 1: more so than like the news, right, And the news
Speaker 1: is important, and of course the CIA had to very
Speaker 1: quickly have a stranglehold on the news, and that's what
Speaker 1: Operation Mockingbird was under Frank Wisner of the CIA. But
Speaker 1: for the masses, right, I mean, Hollywood plays that role.
Speaker 1: So but I want to stress that you know, it
Speaker 1: goes beyond just the messaging in the films. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it goes as far as the recruiting of a
Speaker 1: listers to be spies.
Speaker 2: That to me is fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sterling Hayden was a famous, you know, forties
Speaker 1: era a lister and he was an operative for the OSS.
Speaker 2: And then you get into more recent.
Speaker 1: Times and nowadays, like a lot of a list Hollywood people,
Speaker 1: they just openly work with the CIA.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner was openly a pr for the CIA. Ben Affleck,
Speaker 1: he made several movies openly in consultation with the CIA,
Speaker 1: Argo Zero Dark thirty, American Sniper. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a whole ton of movies that have just been open
Speaker 1: CIA movies basically. So absolutely that's how it works, and
Speaker 1: that's what I wrote the books about.
Speaker 3: Wow, well, Jay Man, I know that we could we
Speaker 3: could literally go for hours, and we'll definitely have you
Speaker 3: on the podcast again some time in the future. But man, yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you for I don't know how you. I don't
Speaker 3: know how you spend so much time researching and learn
Speaker 3: about all this stuff and talking about it and remain sane.
Speaker 1: But well, I'm an Olddox, Precious or Orthodox Chris Jenny
Speaker 1: helps me be sane.
Speaker 3: So keeps you root, It keeps you grinded, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Well, God, God, bless your work and thank you for
Speaker 3: the gift of your time and wisdom. Where can people
Speaker 3: find and follow you online?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my website is jasanalysis dot com and it's kind
Speaker 1: of an archived thing going back about ten years. I
Speaker 1: have a members section where all my lectures and talks
Speaker 1: and deep dives over the last ten years. You can
Speaker 1: find those in the archives there if you become a member.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ton of public podcast interviews, debates
Speaker 1: at my website and at my channel Jasonalysis dot com.
Speaker 1: If you want the books, they're all signed copies in
Speaker 1: the shop at Jasonelsis dot com. And you can find
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Speaker 3: Awesome, Jay, thanks for coming on the show man. It's
Speaker 3: been a pleasure talking to you.