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<v Speaker 1>Most of the people in the intimate circles of Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>were basically Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Ukraine a month before Zelenski comes to power.

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<v Speaker 1>He had those emails between Epstein and Bill Gates about

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic simulations in twenty seventeen. This even ties into the

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<v Speaker 1>Vatican right because Epstein several times went to the Vatican,

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<v Speaker 1>especially under Ron Paul the Second or appears to obviously

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<v Speaker 1>be a massad connection. And as soon as Trump decided

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<v Speaker 1>to do preemptive Iran strikes, everybody forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah boy, I mean, how deep do you think the

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<v Speaker 3>rock goes?

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<v Speaker 2>Governments?

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<v Speaker 1>Nation states have been brought down just from sexpionized Rothschild

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<v Speaker 1>set up earlier with his lane's dad, Robert Maxwell, who

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<v Speaker 1>was himself an Israeli intelligence opera British intelligence operator, and

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<v Speaker 1>he taught Epstein a lot of those techniques, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein was recruited into working for David Rockefeller.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Epstein's kind of like the tip of the Iceland.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the name that people know, he's the face that

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<v Speaker 3>people recognize. But I would assume that Jeffrey Epstein was

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<v Speaker 3>not the only Jeffrey Epstein type character.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure in operation the images of Epstein and powerful people

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<v Speaker 1>with what appeared to be very young, underage and children.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that was also blocked out. The best

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<v Speaker 1>way to understand Epstein is in my view as a.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Real

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<v Speaker 3>Talk with Zoobie podcast. On today's episode, We've got on

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<v Speaker 3>a long awaited guest. He is an author, he is

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<v Speaker 3>the host of the Alex Jones Show, and he is

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<v Speaker 3>a writer for the Sam Hid Show. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>the one and only Jay Dyer. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, Zube.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to be here with you, Glad to finally connect

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<v Speaker 1>and know we've been trying to make a chat happen

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<v Speaker 1>for a few months, maybe a couple of.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, even I don't know, but glad to be here

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<v Speaker 2>with you finally. Jay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure a lot of my listeners are familiar with you,

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<v Speaker 3>but for those who aren't, just give us a little intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing online stuff in terms of alternative media

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<v Speaker 1>probably for about fifteen years, started as a pod caster

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<v Speaker 1>and then branched out into writing books and doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of video stuff live streams. Working with Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 1>for the last six years and then linked up with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of comedians, doing a lot of comedian podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>and write for Sam High.

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<v Speaker 2>But we do a lot of debates as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just did a debate last night with a

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<v Speaker 1>black keeper Israelite cult leader. I've debated a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the top Muslims and atheists, so we do that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then do a lot of geopolitical analysis, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of deep historical research. I wrote three books on Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>and Hollywood symbolism. So my third book at Tricli with

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<v Speaker 1>three is out, So that's I cover a whole miasma

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<v Speaker 1>of topics. And yeah, I'm glad to glad to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Epstein with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We're definitely going to go deep on the Epstein files

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<v Speaker 3>because I know that you have been really looking into

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<v Speaker 3>that and it seems like a topic that's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>gone out of the news headlines with everything that's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in the world. But I think it's important that

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<v Speaker 3>people remain focused to some degree, and we have you

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<v Speaker 3>find out what's going on here. But before we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about that, just one more question I'm curious about your

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<v Speaker 3>background is how did you even get into this whole

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<v Speaker 3>world of talking about the things you talk about in writing,

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of stuff you're write.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I always love movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I was in high school, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be involved in some capacity in media. I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a I was a theater kid, but heterosexual America,

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<v Speaker 1>so most theater kids or not. But so I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do you know, that kind of stuff entertainment, and

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a stand up routine.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I went and did it at a bunch of clubs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really liked it. But I was also torn

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<v Speaker 1>because I was really interested in kind of intellectual topics.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to college and did an undergraduate in philosophy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I did two years of grad work on

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<v Speaker 1>a master's in philosophy and English. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>tie the research that I was doing in the academic

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<v Speaker 1>realm into sort of the other topics that I was covering,

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<v Speaker 1>like movies and Hollywood, and I started blogging. I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of essays over the years, which became

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<v Speaker 1>the books, and then around i'd say twenty sixteen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Production TV show. It's still out there. You can watch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Hollywood Decoded and that was an analysis of

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of movies from the kind of unique perspective

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<v Speaker 1>that I that I have on film, and that led

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<v Speaker 1>to a book or another book, and then that led

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, working with Alex and other people, and

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<v Speaker 1>then kind of branching out.

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<v Speaker 2>And doing comedy. So it's just kind of a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that snowball.

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<v Speaker 1>But ideologically what piqued my interest was I watched Alex

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<v Speaker 1>back in I think two thousand and three. He did

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of reports that I just happened to see

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<v Speaker 1>on a random website when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Reports about skulling bones and the CIA and the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between these two entities and how that tied into kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the way intelligence agencies, you know, engage in the

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<v Speaker 1>various activities. So that led me, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>into the Ron Paul arena back in the two thous

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, mid two thousands, and I watched Loose

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<v Speaker 1>Change from Burma, so I got me questioning big events

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<v Speaker 1>and so it all kind of snowballed into where we

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<v Speaker 1>are today.

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<v Speaker 3>you've spent a lot of time reading into the Epstein

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<v Speaker 3>files and put putting out a lot of videos and

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<v Speaker 3>live streams talking about what you have discovered. So how

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<v Speaker 3>do we how do we even get into this? I

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<v Speaker 3>guess for people who you know, everyone has heard about

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein at this point. Most people have heard about the

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein files, and they know that there is something strange

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<v Speaker 3>going on here. We've all had that suspicion for years.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, even the so called normis I guess

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<v Speaker 3>how deep does this rabbit hole go? What are some

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<v Speaker 3>of the big takeaways? I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 3>something you can easily summarize, So take as long as

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<v Speaker 3>you need, But what do you know so far?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first thing I would say is the context

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<v Speaker 1>another subject that I kind of delved into, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>parallel to all this stuff coming out over the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years with Epstein, and that's the subject of honey traps, honeypots,

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<v Speaker 1>and sexpionage, which governments have used for millennia. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have to understand first of all that really with Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a whole lot in terms of what he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing that's new, because this is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the state has functioned for a long time. You go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Bible, for example, and if you read

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Judges, if you pay attention, Delilah is

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<v Speaker 1>a honeypot from the Philistines to entrap Samson.

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<v Speaker 2>In the famous story of Samson and Delilah.

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<v Speaker 1>So espionage and this type of tactic and technique is ancient,

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<v Speaker 1>you see it all through even the scriptures. But to

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<v Speaker 1>fast forward to modern times, in the last hundred years,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been some really famous cases where basically governments

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<v Speaker 1>nation states have been brought down just from sexpionage.

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<v Speaker 2>A classic example is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy named Kenji Deuhara, who at the turn of the

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<v Speaker 1>last century was Japan's kind of his Japan's Epstein, Epstein's.

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<v Speaker 2>Sat so to speak, who he came up with this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>He came up with this idea to basically put a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of houses of ill repute all throughout China and

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<v Speaker 1>to traffic a bunch of opium throughout these houses of

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<v Speaker 1>ill repute, which was again kind of pioneering that idea

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<v Speaker 1>even I think he was doing even before the British

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<v Speaker 1>were doing it, but maybe maybe around the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>But he set up a network of informants and honey

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese generals and soldiers and gave him all the

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<v Speaker 1>advanced intel. But actually what happened was the Chinese in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Province were so.

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<v Speaker 1>Demoralized and addicted to Opium that basically when he marched in,

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese troops didn't even really have much of a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a classic example. It's very famous in

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<v Speaker 1>history in terms of warfare. That gives us something an

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<v Speaker 1>insight into Epstein, maybe not so much from a kinetic

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<v Speaker 1>warfare perspective, but from the way that you can entrap

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<v Speaker 1>what you have is a more modernized version of it

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<v Speaker 1>that's not again based around warfare, but based around compromising

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<v Speaker 1>Rothchilds also used explicitly if you read their biography, and

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<v Speaker 1>that we made a a lot of use of that

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<v Speaker 1>Morton biography, which is an author as biography of the Rothchilds,

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<v Speaker 1>because in the first few chapters it admits that the

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<v Speaker 2>Them an advantage economically.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were able to buy up the London Stock

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<v Speaker 1>Exchange when it collapsed because they had advanced intelligence about

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<v Speaker 2>So in the same way, if you fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward to just as an example, some of the emails

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<v Speaker 1>that popped up, you have Jeffrey Epstein doing these back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth with Ariana de Rothschild and basically saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>We can go into these regions. Buy it up.

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<v Speaker 1>When they have chaos, buy it up when there's collapse.

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<v Speaker 1>He says to Peter Teel, I represent the Rothchilds. And

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<v Speaker 1>so those are great examples of the Greek bailouts, the

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<v Speaker 1>IMF debt crisis that was happening about ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven twelve years ago in the EU, Epstein was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>these are regions where we can make massive amounts of money.

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<v Speaker 1>So the same thing about Somalia in a series of emails.

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<v Speaker 1>And so while the sexual compromise plays a role in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of taking out or controlling certain key figures in society, culture, government, banking,

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<v Speaker 1>corporate arena, et cetera, the advanced intelligence also plays a

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<v Speaker 1>key role in figuring out where to move money and

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all of those things and to the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to understand Epstein is, in my view, as an

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I take that back like a Sami the Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, seventies and eighties, very close to what you

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<v Speaker 1>see with Epstein in his circles, but they're on a

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<v Speaker 1>more international global scale. So it's an international crime syndicate

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<v Speaker 1>that comes out of the structure that the Rothschild set

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<v Speaker 1>of worked for different different outfits. But they set up

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<v Speaker 1>takeover artist, and then he taught Epstein a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>At the Trilateral Commission as a council member, maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>So basically you have in the Western power structure you

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<v Speaker 1>blue blood families at the time of the British Empire, royals, elites,

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<v Speaker 1>academics even can be recruited into these roles out of Oxford,

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<v Speaker 1>Society's roundtable groups is the very same model that very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful American oligarchs set up in the US through what

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<v Speaker 1>they call Pratt House in New York. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties, through Prattthouse, the count the Rockefellers

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<v Speaker 1>set up the Council on Foreign Relations, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>A secret society.

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<v Speaker 1>over politicians. And amongst the CFR, there's a more kind

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<v Speaker 1>of elite clique that's called the Trilateral Commission that was

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<v Speaker 1>because Brazenski wrote a book in nineteen seventy Cooed Between

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<v Speaker 1>Two Ages, which is about the future technocracy, and Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 1>free what Yuri said, by maybe nineteen ninety, somewhere in there,

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<v Speaker 2>So you've probably heard of Builderberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Builderberg group is a lot of the same people in

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<v Speaker 1>the CFR and the Trilateral Commission, So it's at that

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<v Speaker 3>And CFR stands for what the Council.

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<v Speaker 1>On Foreign Relations, which is again is kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>supra a governmental group that has a huge amount of influence.

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<v Speaker 1>They're semi public, semi private, so it's not a secret society,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of people in secret societies like Skull

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<v Speaker 1>and Bones or something like that. They will also be

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very very deep rabbit hole, and these

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<v Speaker 3>names have come up a few times and they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to keep coming up. And I think again, most people

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<v Speaker 3>have heard the names Rothschilds and Rockefellers at least have

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<v Speaker 3>heard the family names and know that they have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of wealth and it's generational wealth. But most people

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<v Speaker 3>have not done the deep dive you have into all

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<v Speaker 3>of these subjects. So tell me a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>about who the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are in the past

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<v Speaker 3>and perhaps even more importantly, in the prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a great book that's kind of a good

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<v Speaker 1>starting place for this. And it's by a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Carol Quigley, and he was a high level CFR

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<v Speaker 1>archivist and historians, so he's an academic. He's a professor

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<v Speaker 1>from Georgetown, and he's Bill Clinton's mentor, very famously.

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<v Speaker 2>So when he wrote these books that he put out, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to understand that he's not a conspiracy theorist, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's not writing as if he's saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>establishment is bad. He wrote Tragedy and Hoe, which is

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<v Speaker 1>this big, thirteen hundred page book. It might be at

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<v Speaker 1>my other place, but we've lectured through that book on

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<v Speaker 1>my channel about ten years ago, through the totality of

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<v Speaker 1>all thirteen hundred pages, so it's about sixteen hours of

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<v Speaker 1>lecture material. But it's really important because it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>that book was not written for the masses at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Has written, i think in the late sixties. It was

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<v Speaker 1>written for the policy makers, the bureaucrats, and for CIA

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<v Speaker 1>section chiefs during the Cold War to understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>American foreign policy actions were because you had people working

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<v Speaker 1>in the CIA who couldn't understand well, how come sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we're funding dictators? How come sometimes we're funding communists? This

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really seem to make sense with what America is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be about. So the book is explaining the bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>grand perspective geopolitical stance that the Atlanticists, the Americanists elite

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<v Speaker 1>big game plan is. And so that's why quickly is

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<v Speaker 1>so important. And he says when he's writing the book

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<v Speaker 1>that he is writing from the archives of the CFR itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are not public accessible documents. These are documents

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<v Speaker 1>summary called the Anglo American Establishment, and he traces the

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<v Speaker 1>origins of this power block and this ruling class in

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<v Speaker 1>the West to exactly what I mentioned earlier, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the royal society in the roundtable groups and cecil rhades

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<v Speaker 1>his idea of creating a new British empire.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we don't live today in a new.

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<v Speaker 1>British empire, but America adopted that sort of perspective through

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<v Speaker 1>the elites like David Rockefeller, who famously joined his family's

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<v Speaker 1>wealth with the Rothchilds family wealth, and that's who's really

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<v Speaker 2>Ol archic class running the West. By admission, not just in.

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<v Speaker 1>Those books, but also you see this yellow book right here,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Rockefellers Authorized biography.

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<v Speaker 2>It says the same stuff in it.

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<v Speaker 1>David Rockefeller wrote a book called Memoirs where he says

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<v Speaker 1>all the same stuff too. He says in the chapter

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<v Speaker 1>on Builderberg, he says, I created the Builderberg Group in

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<v Speaker 1>part of my family, and yes, we absolutely created it

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<v Speaker 1>to have a world government, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's very public admissions and a lot of these texts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why it's important to read them. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to conspiracy theorist texts. What we do on

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<v Speaker 1>my channel, and I've lectured through about seventy of these

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<v Speaker 1>global elite texts by now in the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>What we do is we go to the sources and

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<v Speaker 1>see what they're saying, and what do they admit and

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<v Speaker 1>what's their plan. So with the Rothschilds, they have a

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<v Speaker 1>very similar but perhaps older European perspective on this, and

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<v Speaker 1>they gained a lot of power. According to doctor Quigley

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<v Speaker 1>and they became you could argue, perhap apps almost the

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds through the Central Bank of France. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>they did was they used a certain model of fiat

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<v Speaker 1>central banking or fractional or reserve banking, which allows the

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<v Speaker 2>At that time, it was based on what they called

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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays it's just straight fiat since Nixon took us off

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<v Speaker 1>of the gold ctander. But this is still the same

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a never.

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<v Speaker 1>Ending money machine that they came up with, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>many years later. But that's how they control these nations,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why the raw Childs and the rock Fillers have

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<v Speaker 1>in American politics, is that the Rockfillers representing the corporate

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<v Speaker 1>model of banking. And many authors have argued that JP

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan actually represented the raw Childs in the US. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the real power structure, and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>The model that they use.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have high level fixers and agents like a

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein who does a lot of the dirty work

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<v Speaker 1>networking consulting. In fact, there was an email that came

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<v Speaker 1>out that Epstein had planned at one point he was

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<v Speaker 2>With like fifteen heads of state throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when he said to the band and that

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<v Speaker 1>ban and interview that I was recruited into the Trilateral

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<v Speaker 1>Commission by David Rockefeller himself. I was as legate as

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<v Speaker 1>Ada Sha And then he says in the emails, I

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<v Speaker 1>represent on the legate adashe of the Rothschilds. That's telling

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<v Speaker 1>you everything that essentially, people like quickly and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these establishment apologists have been saying the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>that that's just this is how it really works.

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<v Speaker 3>This is quite the web. So why do you think

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<v Speaker 3>the Epstein files came out when they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that there was a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>from people like MASSI and others to have it released.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Trump made a big deal about this, campaigning

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<v Speaker 1>on the release of these these files, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>However, you know, the redactions made it very difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>in many cases seem to protect the perpetrators. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when I forget who it was, an Apollo Lunar, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the Massi and others went and actually saw the

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<v Speaker 1>unredacted files right like a month or two ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, this is insane that we redacted all these perpetrators.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could on the way, it could on one level,

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<v Speaker 1>be a giant sort of middle finger to say that

425
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<v Speaker 1>even if we release these, it's not going to matter.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Because nobody's going to be prosecuted from it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though, if you recall when these all came out

428
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<v Speaker 1>this first batch, you had a lot of powerful people

429
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<v Speaker 1>in corporate worlds and in government positions bureaucrats throughout the

430
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<v Speaker 1>world stepped down because of their associations and potential criminal

431
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<v Speaker 1>activities that were admitted in a lot of these files.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that even though there might have been

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<v Speaker 1>some repercussions, nobody really went to jail so far as

434
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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware, or has been prosecuted, So it didn't really

435
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<v Speaker 1>amount to much. And it's un as Trump decided to

436
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<v Speaker 1>do preemptive Iran strikes, everybody forgot about it. So so yeah,

437
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<v Speaker 1>it could be a demoralizing thing to release it and

438
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<v Speaker 1>then nothing happens, or it could have just been a

439
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<v Speaker 1>situation where there's so much pressure that they cave. But

440
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<v Speaker 1>then again, you know, there's so much. There's so much

441
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<v Speaker 1>that's redacted. I mean, I'm not saying that you can't

442
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<v Speaker 1>make out what's going on even though it's redacted, but

443
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<v Speaker 1>the names is the main point of Like, Okay, well

444
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<v Speaker 1>who are these billionaire perpetrators?

445
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<v Speaker 2>Right?

446
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<v Speaker 1>So we figured out there's a few of these, you know,

447
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<v Speaker 1>billionaires out there that are in here, but in these

448
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.079
<v Speaker 1>low level academics and professors. But who are all these

449
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<v Speaker 1>other names that are redacted?

450
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<v Speaker 2>Right?

451
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<v Speaker 3>How was the redaction explained? Like, what's the official line

452
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<v Speaker 3>on the redaction.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Uh, it was protecting the victims, which is what makes

454
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<v Speaker 1>no sense, right, How are you protecting the victims by

455
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<v Speaker 1>blacking out pretty much everybody because it's not just victims.

456
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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can understand, Yeah, in some of these

457
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<v Speaker 1>cases is victims blacked out, but I mean in a

458
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<v Speaker 1>lot of cases it's not, So it doesn't make any sense, right,

459
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And then in other situations it's not redacted. So it's like, well,

460
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<v Speaker 1>why in some case you have these low level academic professors, right,

461
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>who are answering Jeffrey Epstein's emails about the most disgusting stuff, right,

462
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff I can't even mention. But then you've got billionaires

463
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 1>presumably you know, that are redacted. So it's not consistently applied,

464
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<v Speaker 1>is my point, which tells us that they were probably

465
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<v Speaker 1>actually consistently applying it to protect certain people.

466
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<v Speaker 2>But the excuse is that they're protecting victims.

467
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<v Speaker 3>And do you know why they chose to So do

468
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<v Speaker 3>you know, first of all, do you know how much

469
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<v Speaker 3>of the total has been released? Is it something like half?

470
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like half, right, So there's like another supposed

471
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<v Speaker 1>three million, Okay.

472
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<v Speaker 3>And is there an next explanation again from the official

473
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<v Speaker 3>level is there. What's the explanation of why they released

474
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<v Speaker 3>what they've released and why they've kept back what they kept.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Back, well, why they haven't released more? I don't know.

476
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there is no explanation right.

477
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<v Speaker 1>For example, I think everybody was surprised that this even

478
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 1>came out because they did that whole binder fiasco under

479
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<v Speaker 1>Bondi what like eight months a year ago, where they

480
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<v Speaker 1>handed out a bunch of stuff that was already public.

481
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<v Speaker 1>So that was all just a photo op and you know,

482
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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of nonsense. But you know, Bondi got a

483
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<v Speaker 1>lot of flak for that, and I think that probably

484
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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with kind of her sort

485
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<v Speaker 1>of demise in terms of the.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Public size as well as other things.

487
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<v Speaker 1>It's probably the same with the Patel But yeah, I

488
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<v Speaker 1>mean it's been such a disaster, and I think that

489
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 1>seems to be a pretty pivotal turning point a lot

490
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<v Speaker 1>of what Trump was doing in terms of this MAGA

491
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:06.279
<v Speaker 1>split that's occurred since he began to say, stop caring

492
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>about Epstein. Who cares your low IQ if you care

493
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>about it and you're not MAGA. You know, that was

494
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>eight months a year ago, right around the same time

495
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>that he was pressured to do strikes on Iran, and

496
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>so that was I think a huge turning point to

497
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>where it's just gotten worse with the Trump administration.

498
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<v Speaker 2>So there was something going on there. I don't know.

499
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 1>We're not saying that Trump himself necessarily has done something illegal.

500
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that, and I've not yet seen anything

501
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in the files that indicates that. However, I think that

502
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it's been an optics disaster and the turning point for

503
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the administration when they said, stop worrying about it, it doesn't matter.

504
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>And then this comes out, right, So it probably came

505
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 1>out or perhaps to damage Trump, at least the Democrats

506
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it would damage Trump. And then of course we

507
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>find out that most of the people in the intimate

508
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>circles of itin for the most part, are we're basically Democrats.

509
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to play party politics. I'm just saying

510
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that these seem to be the facts. Then they decided, well,

511
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't actually that beneficial for the Democratic Party. So

512
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.599
<v Speaker 1>there could have been multiple motivations right in terms of

513
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>why it was released, But regardless, what it shows us

514
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 1>is a window into how the establishment really works, which

515
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>is above the party system, and you have these international oligarchs,

516
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 1>billionaires and essentially what if you've seen the recent James

517
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<v Speaker 1>Bond movies basically Specter.

518
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just trying to get my head around it

519
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 3>because all or nothing kind of makes more sense to

520
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>me than this halfway. Okay, let's release fifty percent of

521
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>it with lots of reduction. It would kind of make

522
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 3>more sense to me if they just did what they'd

523
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 3>been doing for the past few years and they just

524
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 3>never released anything to the public. Obviously that's worse, I guess,

525
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 3>but it kind of strategically if I try to put

526
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.119
<v Speaker 3>myself in their brains, which I think, thank god I can't,

527
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 3>that that kind of makes more sense to me than

528
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 3>doing this halfway approach. And then I don't know, is

529
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.799
<v Speaker 3>the second half going to be released? Is that gonna

530
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 3>just stay hidden indefinitely? Does there need to be political pressure,

531
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 3>does there need to be public outcry? You know, it's

532
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 3>just kind of tricky to wrap my head around that part.

533
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 3>Let alone start to wrap my head around what's actually

534
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 3>in these files.

535
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<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't expect the first batch to come out

536
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>like it did because I was live streaming when it happened,

537
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 1>and I noticed on Twitter it was like Okay, you

538
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.559
<v Speaker 1>start seeing this drip out and like more and more,

539
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, high profile accounts like Maro on the Fall

540
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 1>keep putting up like just absolutely insane level stuff, which

541
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, ten years ago, any single one of those

542
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>emails would have been like.

543
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>The biggest news story for weeks.

544
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>And they hear it as like every minute, like some

545
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>emails dropping or some text messages dropping, where you know,

546
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you've got Epstein, He's in Ukraine a month before Zelensky

547
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>comes to power. You've got Zelenski's text messages saying, I get.

548
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Me to get me Jeffrey, I need to talk to him.

549
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I need to be consulted. What do I do?

550
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>You've got all these like world leaders and prime prime ministers,

551
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, mentioning how they need his consultation and they

552
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>need his help and so uh, you know our livestream,

553
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<v Speaker 1>I think for an entire week, literally like every day

554
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<v Speaker 1>for hours, when I had a six hour live stream,

555
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>they got like seventy thousand views, which is on my

556
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 1>channels really big, so like it was just never ending

557
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like material and information to cover it, which just blew

558
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.039
<v Speaker 1>me away. So I didn't expect we would get that,

559
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.839
<v Speaker 1>and even what we saw in the first first batch

560
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:54.319
<v Speaker 1>there was just absolutely like mind blowing level stuff. I

561
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<v Speaker 1>mean everything from what appears to be you know, s

562
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<v Speaker 1>n uff type stuff to giving the ok to do

563
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a hit I mean assassinate. I mean, it's all the

564
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's in there that you can think of. Presumably

565
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot of references to trafficking.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Of people.

567
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Exactly what the coded words being in terms of beef,

568
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>jerkey and grape soda, I'm not sure, but it presumably

569
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 1>it refers to some sort of black market something.

570
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>So you know, the level of this.

571
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 1>Again, it's an industrial scale operation that he had, so

572
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>that I think is what's the most kind of shocking

573
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that we even saw any of that. And I wanted

574
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.839
<v Speaker 1>to distress that there were so many journalists and people that.

575
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Wrote books over the years. My publisher also.

576
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Publishes Whitney Webb's book in her volume two on Epstein,

577
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 1>I think was pretty much vindicated in these emails. Another

578
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>book that was written by guy named mac Gordon Thomas

579
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 1>called Gideon Spies maybe twenty twenty years ago, twenty five

580
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>years ago. A lot of that, a lot of his

581
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 1>theses and theories have also been indicated by these files.

582
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 1>So again, it's a window into how the power structure

583
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 1>really runs things, and I think that's the most important

584
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 1>part of it beyond you know, I mean, obviously i'd

585
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like to see, you know, a lot of high level

586
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 1>criminals get prosecuted, but I never really thought that would happen.

587
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just kind of happy that we even get

588
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>this window into how the oligarchy really works.

589
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>How much of it have you actually read through? Because

590
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 3>wasn't something ridiculous, like wasn't it three million pages or something?

591
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The big ones that popped up on Twitter? So I mean,

592
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>for me, Twitter was sort of the main method of

593
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 1>looking at this. I mean I did go to the

594
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>website and look up some things from the DJ itself,

595
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>but rather than spending a whole lot of time like

596
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 1>searching through the archives, what I would do is if

597
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I found one that I thought was pretty spicy, just

598
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 1>verify look to see if that one's real.

599
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much all of them were.

600
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that I think was a little bit

601
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>shady and suss or disinformation was there's so many of

602
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>these files, and so many of them were things that

603
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 1>are kind of irrelevant or they were things like random

604
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 1>FBI tips that people could call in, and a lot

605
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of people on X were kind of not ferreting out

606
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 1>this information very well.

607
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So they were taking things that like some schizo guy

608
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 2>calls in to.

609
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>The FBI and says Trump sought my house and he's

610
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 1>doing this, or they took me on a boat and

611
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>they were doing this and this, and I saw him

612
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>eating babies and this and that, and they cut my

613
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>feet with a magical sword that doesn't leave marks. Like

614
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, obviously that's a schizo person, you know,

615
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>calling in a tip, right, and that's different from, for example,

616
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>information from a confidential informant.

617
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 2>So there were confidential informant reports.

618
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>There were FBI reports, there were police reports, all different

619
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>tiers and types of documents. So I think, you know,

620
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>ferreting out those was the most important thing to figure out. Okay,

621
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not credible. This is just some guy's assertion and claims.

622
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 1>This is an actual court case right where Epstein is

623
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 1>involved in. You know, there's twenty million dollars here, there's

624
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 1>ten million dollars here. Those I think were the most

625
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>important things. And the admissions of how they view where

626
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to move money, and you know what the the chaos

627
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>in certain regions does for moving money.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Basically, I think those were the most most insightful.

629
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<v Speaker 3>There was something you mentioned earlier about Ukraine and Zelensky

630
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 3>saying that he needs Epstein. I have not seen those emails.

631
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 3>What's that about?

632
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually those were text messages where so there's one

633
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 1>email where Epstein is saying, hey, blah blah blah, I'm

634
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 1>going to be in the Ukraine and blah blah. I

635
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>forget what the date was, but that was one month

636
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 1>before Zelenski came to power, so a lot of people said,

637
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 1>that's very curious that he would be there. And then

638
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 1>there were text messages where Zelenski was saying, I need

639
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Jeffrey. He's really good at consulting on

640
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of issues. And there were at least three

641
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:11.760
<v Speaker 1>or four of those.

642
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 3>And those are messages sent between who where is that?

643
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, sometimes the names are redacted, so it could be

644
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Zelensky and Bannon, or it could be Zelensky talking to

645
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 1>someone else, but a lot of the text messages appear

646
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 1>to be Epstein and Bannon back and forth, and so

647
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I think the Zelenski one was perhaps Bannon or it's redacted.

648
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't recall the top of my head, got it,

649
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 2>But you can. You can find them pretty pretty easily.

650
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>You just type in Epstein Zolensky text messages they'll come up.

651
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 3>So Zelenski's I assume, so his name was not redacted

652
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 3>in this.

653
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>No, not in the text messages. Yeah, this is this.

654
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Is the thing. I'm trying to get my my again.

655
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to understand the what what's redacted and what's

656
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 3>what's not.

657
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know the logic of how they did it,

658
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 1>or I mean, perhaps they applied to program to it,

659
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 1>because I mean it seems difficult for human beings to

660
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.800
<v Speaker 1>redact three million documents.

661
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean that would be a lot of work.

662
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seems like there's probably some computer program

663
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 1>that would do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

665
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 3>I also, I'm also confused by the three million numbers,

666
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 3>So what does that what does that include? Because I

667
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I mean, if you if someone even took

668
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean in my whole lifetime, right, I haven't even

669
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:39.400
<v Speaker 3>sent three million emails and text like through my entire lifetime,

670
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 3>let alone ones that are shady, but like I don't

671
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 3>even know, like where what's that three million number? Like

672
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 3>what was included?

673
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>It's everything, So it's basically news articles. And the reason

674
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that it's so high level are so many such a

675
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>high number is because they were still collecting you know,

676
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>data and.

677
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Reports all the way up until recently.

678
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 1>So basically anything in the media about Epstein, which countless

679
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:16.599
<v Speaker 1>news articles. It could be police reports, court case documents,

680
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>FBI reports. I don't think there's a I can't recall

681
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>anything from the CIA except for maybe oblique references to

682
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>certain things, but a lot of FBI related documents and materials,

683
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 1>and then like I said, like confidential informant reports as

684
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 1>well as tips, so you know, somebody just calling in

685
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and saying, hey, I was you know, Jeffrey Epstein touched

686
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>my butt in nineteen ninety nine.

687
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Well that makes it in there then as a you know,

688
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>as a document.

689
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So there's there's a lot of those photos videos, So

690
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>there were photo and video files of all kinds of

691
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of really horrendous stuff. A lot of that was

692
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>also blacked out too, For example, many images of Epstein

693
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and powerful people with what appeared to be very young,

694
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>underage and children aged people.

695
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's why it was so many jeez.

696
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 3>So this might be a very naive question, but I'm

697
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>still trying to get clear on who Jeffrey Epstein actually

698
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 3>worked for.

699
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's a great question, and it looks like again,

700
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the best way to understand this, because it

701
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>seems to be conflicting allegiances, is to understand that he

702
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>actually worked for a very high level international oligarchical power

703
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 1>structure and elite. So if we understand that model, which

704
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>is this model that I've been talking about of how

705
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, quickly discusses these steering committees of these high

706
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>level people like Builderberger level people, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Kissinger level people.

707
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>If we understand that that's really running things in the

708
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>West and has for a long time, for perhaps a

709
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 1>century or so, that's a better model to understand and

710
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>explain how it makes sense that Jeffrey Epstein appears to

711
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 1>have several different allegiances because there appears to obviously be

712
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 1>a Masad connection, with Massad outfitting his estates and mansions

713
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and houses with surveillance equipment. Admittedly, Ewood Barock visits his

714
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>New York residences dozens of times. According to mainstream media,

715
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they have extensive conversations in the files, even some of

716
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 1>the audio conversations leaked where Epstein is explaining to Ewood

717
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Barack who Peter Thiel is and how they need to

718
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>try to get him into their sway, into their circles.

719
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>They mentioned a lot of tech billionaires kind of been

720
00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>trapping them, bringing them in, getting them on board. So

721
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>if we understand that perspective, then we can say, ok now,

722
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>now it actually makes sense that you have these emails

723
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 1>that Mike Benn's highlighted where Epstein is able to use

724
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>CIA planes for many decades at the same time as

725
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 1>he's got these connections with British intelligence high level people

726
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>in the UK through Maxwell and just laying obviously because

727
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Maxwell worked for British intelligence as well as trying to

728
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 1>also play both sides of the Cold War with the

729
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Soviets and with Israel. And so there's a supra international

730
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 1>elite and that's who Epstein worked for. So you could

731
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>say it's British Intelligence and the CIA and the Masade

732
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps the Five Eyes intelligence structure, that oligarchical elite

733
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 1>is what we work for.

734
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Jeez ah boy, I mean, how deep do you think

735
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>the rot goes?

736
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to a degree.

737
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Like we said at the beginning, you know, nation states

738
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>have all always operated with blackmailers and intelligence operatives and

739
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>used you know, these kinds of operations to a degree.

740
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 1>But I think the difference here is that we're beyond

741
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the nation state level. You know, this is more than

742
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 1>kings having a network of prostitutes. You know, this is

743
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 1>an industrial scale operation that's not just about blackmailing high power,

744
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 1>high power people. It's a lot to do with money laundering,

745
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot to do with international finance.

746
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the thing that.

747
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>People missed when they talked about Epstein, or then when

748
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 1>they thought about it, they came out in the Bannon interview,

749
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.199
<v Speaker 1>the first twenty or thirty minutes of the interview, he's

750
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>unless Bannon is playing stupid, like he's having to explain

751
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 1>to Bannon what forractional reserve banking is and how it works,

752
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>which was odd because it would have thought Steve.

753
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Banner knew what that was and how it worked. But

754
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe he was playing dumb. I don't know. But and

755
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 2>then he goes into explaining to Bannon.

756
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, I was recruited to help consult and

757
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>explain to you know, high level power players like on

758
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the CFR Charlateral Commission boards, like how to do criminal

759
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>operations and consulting at that high level. He even said

760
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that when he was in jail when he first got arrested,

761
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>like he would he would when he had his like

762
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 1>daily phone call, like one phone.

763
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Call or whatever the prison rules are.

764
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, I would go called ahead of you know,

765
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>JP Morgan and tell him what to do, where to

766
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 1>move money during the.

767
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Bailouts and the housing collapse.

768
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So like he was even if you've watched Good Fellas

769
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>or like gangster movies, right, like you know how they're

770
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>in they're in prison and they're still running the family

771
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:45.800
<v Speaker 1>organization from jail.

772
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what he was.

773
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Doing, right, he was actually and he was laughing and

774
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 1>bragging about that to Epstein.

775
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>So so he's.

776
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Again a high level criminal fixer and consultant, and the

777
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 1>rock goes as deep I guess as.

778
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>The highest levels of power in the West.

779
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And I mean this even ties into the Vatican, right

780
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>because Epstein several times went to the Vatican, especially under

781
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 1>John Paul the Second. They seem to have a pretty

782
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 1>close relationship. According to several of the emails, Epstein claimed

783
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 1>at least to even be given pieces of architecture for

784
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>his house from John Paul the Second. He claims to

785
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>have consulted John Paul on architectural stuff.

786
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Then we have that.

787
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Image of him and just laying being blessed by the Pope.

788
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And he's not the only high level, you know, PDF

789
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 1>connected fixer who was closed to John Paul the Second.

790
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Saville was also knighted by John Paul the Second,

791
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 1>who was a high level PDF fixer in the same

792
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>circles that Epstein was in. So again, there seems to

793
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.519
<v Speaker 1>be a pattern here of how this works. He even

794
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>explains to Larry Summers, the Clinton era banker and Harvard

795
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>vulture capitol guy, what the Vatican Bank is and how

796
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>it works is a great tool for international money laundering that.

797
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>The CIA is used historically.

798
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>So he's even explaining like the Vatican Bank to people

799
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and how it ties into their network. And the Rothschilds

800
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 1>have been the Vatican bankers for at least a couple

801
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred years, so that's how deep it goes into the

802
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Vatican as well as well.

803
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, It's like I think a lot of people

804
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>wonder why there hasn't been why there haven't been more

805
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 3>questions about all of this stuff over the years or

806
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 3>the decades or even now, there doesn't seem to be

807
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 3>that much sustained interest about the Epstein files. When he

808
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 3>supposedly ended his own life a few years ago, allegedly,

809
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:49.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, there was a lot of talk about that

810
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 3>and memes on the internet for a couple of weeks,

811
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 3>and then it just kind of disappeared, and people's generally

812
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 3>lost interest and stopped asking questions. And I think part

813
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 3>of it is just because it just seems like insanely

814
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>complicated to even get your head around. I mean, I'm

815
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 3>here talking to you and just listening, and I myself

816
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.920
<v Speaker 3>as someone who is intrigued to really understand what's going

817
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 3>on here and what's been going on here, and who

818
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 3>is really running the world, who's really really running our nations?

819
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 3>All this type of stuff, and like my brain is

820
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 3>my brain gets overloaded and I'm just like what, like

821
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 3>everything is, everything is connected to everything, and there's like

822
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 3>all of these things going on at once. It's not

823
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 3>just the it's not just trafficking, it's not just money laundering,

824
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not just central banking and moving money. It's not

825
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.760
<v Speaker 3>just manipulating foreign wars and conflicts overseas. It's just like

826
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 3>it's like everything, and it seems like everybody at every

827
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 3>level to some degree, is somehow involved or complicit. And

828
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I think because of the complexity, a lot of people

829
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 3>just kind of shrug their shoulders in. It's just like

830
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, like, you know, I guess, I

831
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 3>guess it's just all corrupt. But I can't even you know,

832
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:10.920
<v Speaker 3>occupy my brain with all this stuff.

833
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Well I get, yeah, I feel that, but really it's

834
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of simple.

835
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's why in my books, for example, I

836
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>always try to use movies as kind of an avenue

837
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 1>to kind of hopefully explain it or kind of get

838
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the basics through to people, because you know, we've said

839
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of names and a lot of organizations or whatever,

840
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds kind of maybe complicated with all these names,

841
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and we need like a corkboard with you know, string

842
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 1>to tie all the people, like a FBI or the

843
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theorist has, you know, with their corkboard. But uh, really,

844
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>if you watch a movie like Specter, the recent one

845
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<v Speaker 1>with the Daniel Craig, the James Bond.

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00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Movie, It's kind of like that, right.

847
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, you have this international corporate banking super elite

848
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and they meet, you know, in places like Rome or

849
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, Builderberg for example, just happened in DC this

850
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 1>year ironically, which hasn't happened since the nineties. But you know,

851
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 1>they have these you know privates, I mean private meetings

852
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>where they really discuss and set policy. And my guess

853
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 1>would be that there's also meetings that are that are

854
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>completely private, right, that happens amongst the higher level groups

855
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and people, and so what you see and for example,

856
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>in the movie Specter is uh, Specter meets in Rome

857
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.199
<v Speaker 1>in this giant sort of villa. It's really elite place,

858
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and James bond infiltrates it and when he gets there,

859
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>he kind of sneaks up into the balcony and he's listening,

860
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're doing this boardroom meeting in this giant you know,

861
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of fancy hallway. And then you've got all these

862
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 1>people sitting around this giant, you know, this giant table,

863
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're they're listing the stats for the criminal operations

864
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and so they're basically like, yes, this year, you know,

865
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 1>human trafficking is up fifty percent and then this other

866
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 1>person's like yes, and then and we've received you know,

867
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 1>to ten billion dollars through you know, you know, heroin

868
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 1>trafficking in this region and this.

869
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>So this is really like.

870
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>That there are actual people who get the equivalent of

871
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a PhD and how to run criminal operations. And I

872
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people that that sounds kind of

873
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>foreign to them, but or that that wouldn't exist. But again,

874
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the example of organized crime, when

875
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Sammy the Bull, you know, the way he

876
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>describes the structure of the Sicilian mafia in New York

877
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and throughout the country and also into into Sicily. You've

878
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>got hundreds of years of people who know how to

879
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 1>set up criminal work organizations so that they don't get

880
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 1>caught or if you bust one sell, the rest of

881
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the structure is left untouched.

882
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And that model is very effective.

883
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I had dinner with a guy some years

884
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>ago who was part of the US team's prosecution in

885
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Brazil in what's called the car Wash scandal, and the

886
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:28.039
<v Speaker 1>way he described the way that this organization had corrupted

887
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:33.079
<v Speaker 1>the entire government was at the level of a PhD

888
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 1>in crime. So basically this guy who they called the Sicilian,

889
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 1>they didn't use his real name. He was a criminal

890
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 1>mastermind and he had figured out a very cunning way

891
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>within Brazil, the entire country and government to be corrupted,

892
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 1>and you couldn't really uncover it until there was an

893
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>accidental mistake that somebody made by leaving a car to

894
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>car wash, hence what's called the car wash scandal, and

895
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 1>this led to the entire Brazilian government being exposed as

896
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:09.599
<v Speaker 1>controlled by one criminal organization. And the same model applied

897
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to Operation Gladio, which is what the CIA did in

898
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Italy to control it through Kissinger. According to some authors

899
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>and consultants, namely Polliams's book on Gladio, he says that

900
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Kissinger was running Gladio through an organized crime structure in

901
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Italy that included both secret societies and the mafia, and

902
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>so they basically co opted the entire Italian parliament and

903
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the cardinals in the Vatican through this Epstein style model

904
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>of like bringing people to parties, compromising them with women, men, whatever, kids,

905
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and then you can control the entire government that way

906
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>because you've got dirt on everybody. The dirt has had

907
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 1>through both.

908
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>The mafia and organized crime, the organized crime can enforce it.

909
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>And it was all tied into the Italian banking system,

910
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the Bank of the Ambrosio, which collapsed because they were

911
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 1>stealing people's pensions and betting on the pensions, which is

912
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened, same model as the FTX collapse.

913
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 2>And so when I was asking.

914
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 1>This guy who prosecuted the car wash scandal in Brazil,

915
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I said, this sounds a lot like FTX and Gladio,

916
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and he said, no, they're their exact same model. So

917
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>essentially there's templates that can be used at a national

918
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 1>scale or at a corporate scale in the case of

919
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>like FTX, where it's a model of theft that is

920
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 1>very perceptive and how there's cutouts and there's shell corporations.

921
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 1>It's insane the level of confusion and sort of plausible

922
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 1>deniability and distancing that they can set out. But long

923
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 1>story short, there's criminal PhDs who organize these things.

924
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So within this web, who are the that's a

925
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 3>question I want to ask here, who are like the

926
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 3>good guys? Is that a thing?

927
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean in this web, there's no good guys.

928
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's okay, So I don't mean people involved, but

929
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if we're talking about you know, if we're

930
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 3>talking about we've got corruption at the at the national level,

931
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 3>and then you've mentioned this sort of super national level

932
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 3>which is going across countries and sitting across governments, then

933
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to actually expose and bring down this level of corruption

934
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 3>and just gross immor immorality, I mean, are there people

935
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 3>in positions who even could do that? Do you kind

936
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.440
<v Speaker 3>of see what I mean? Like, is it or is

937
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:55.400
<v Speaker 3>the web? Is the web kind of caught so many

938
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 3>people in it with all these different pressures and all

939
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 3>of this blackmail. Like I'm assuming that you know, not

940
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.360
<v Speaker 3>every single person and every single Western government is like compromised, right,

941
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 3>has you know, not everyone's like been to Epstein Island

942
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>and you know, been caught on camera doing something sketchy

943
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. I'm sure some people have. I would like

944
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.679
<v Speaker 3>to think the majority have not. But is there some

945
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 3>other way that they're I don't know, putting pressure on

946
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 3>them or keeping them silent or preventing this from being

947
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Speaker 3>further exposed. Because the way I look at it, just

948
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.000
<v Speaker 3>using my common sense, it seems like Jeffrey Epstein's kind

949
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 3>of like the tip of the iceberg. He's the name

950
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that people know. He's the face that people recognize. But

951
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I would assume that Jeffrey Epstein was not the only

952
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Epstein type character in operation.

953
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And again, you know there's some weird stuff

954
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 1>with you know, he was given control of Leslie Wexner's

955
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>entire fortune, right, so's he He's a billionaire figure who

956
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.599
<v Speaker 1>is probably most known for kind of owning a lot

957
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:18.679
<v Speaker 1>of fashion brands like Victoria's Secret and you know, like Abercrombie,

958
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>those kinds of things. Those were all part of the

959
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Wexner sort of brand. And this is where you get

960
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 1>these other figures like Jean Luke Burnell, who also underliped

961
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 1>himself and seems to have been kind of a similar

962
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 1>type of figure to Epstein, And under the guise of

963
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:41.039
<v Speaker 1>recruiting models, right and working for supposedly Victoria's Secret, he

964
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.079
<v Speaker 1>was able to then kind of get access to a

965
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of the women for that part of the operation.

966
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.519
<v Speaker 1>And it also again ties into a lot of really

967
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of esoteric international finance money laundering stuff, which is

968
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of difficult to understand, even even though I have

969
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>like a hard time understanding a lot of how the

970
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 1>money launtering stuff where's because it's so complicated and complex

971
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.079
<v Speaker 1>by design, and the reason they do it in a

972
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>very complex shell company way is that that makes it

973
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.119
<v Speaker 1>very hard to understand and investigate. So that's why I

974
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.639
<v Speaker 1>like FBI or whoever starts looking at those things, like

975
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.519
<v Speaker 1>it takes them a long time to build the case

976
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 1>and figure out exactly how it worked. Same with like

977
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the Brazilian car washcandle, like it took a long time

978
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 1>for them to figure out the super complex criminal operation.

979
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>But so there are good people in the sense of

980
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>usually I think a lot of you know, people who

981
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:40.639
<v Speaker 1>are whistleblowers are great examples. I just did a pretty lengthy,

982
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in depth interview with John Kiriaku. He had me on

983
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>his show, and you know, he's a famous CIA whistleblower

984
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 1>who blew the whistle on the torture program and the

985
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Obama administration went after him, and you know, he stood

986
00:55:56.599 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 1>up against all that. So I think Kuriaoke is agree

987
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>great example of a whistle blower. And you could argue that,

988
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, Julian Assange is a whistleblower, So I think

989
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 1>there have been other obviously.

990
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Other CIA whistleblower people.

991
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.639
<v Speaker 1>So I think many of those people are genuine, and

992
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.320
<v Speaker 1>they really do shine a light on the corruption in

993
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the system and the establishment. I mean, perhaps there are

994
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>white hats in the government as well. Perhaps we don't

995
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 1>know those people. They leak things or they bring things out,

996
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and we don't always know their names. And I don't

997
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 1>think everybody in you know, intelligence or in the military

998
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 1>or you know, is bad or compromise. I think it's

999
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the higher you go, the more powerful, the more you

1000
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.639
<v Speaker 1>know Kissinger level people or Brazensky level people, those are

1001
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the real uh. They call themselves the wise men. That's

1002
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 1>their their terminology for themselves as this as the sort

1003
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of oligarchy, right, So I think the closer you get

1004
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to those oligarchical power people, the less likely you are

1005
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 1>to have virtue because they don't see the world that way.

1006
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:14.119
<v Speaker 1>They just really see it as all pure Nietzschean power politics.

1007
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 1>So for them, there's no virtue that dictates anything in

1008
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.079
<v Speaker 1>that realm. It's just pure power moves. That's pure you know,

1009
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 1>real politics. That's how they see it. So yeah, but

1010
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I think there have been you know, noble virtuous people

1011
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 1>who have opposed this. A lot of journalists have written

1012
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 1>very powerful exposes and books and histories on this. But

1013
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>usually again the heroes or the good guys are people

1014
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 1>at the mid tier and then the rest of the population. Right,

1015
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:51.519
<v Speaker 1>the higher you go, the more likely you are to

1016
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 1>be compromised, and at least they at least they try

1017
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.119
<v Speaker 1>to bring those people in it. And that's what you

1018
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 1>see with Epstein, right, is like they didn't just target

1019
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 1>like bankers. I mean they went after celebrities, they went

1020
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 1>after high level politicians, they went after corporate people, they

1021
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 1>went after high level scientists. Right, you have those emails

1022
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>between Epstein and Bill Gates talking about pandemic simulations in

1023
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen. So it's every area of society where you

1024
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:27.679
<v Speaker 1>have influencers and influential people, and they don't even have

1025
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to get everybody. They just need the key people in

1026
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>those industries. So you don't need every oil magnate, but

1027
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>if you can get a couple key oil magnates, you

1028
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of influence in that industry.

1029
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, his names come up a few times, So can

1030
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 3>you tell me a little bit more about Kissinger?

1031
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Henry Kissinger was He's an interesting figure. He was

1032
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 1>an intelligence officer. I want to I'm going for memory.

1033
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to say the army in maybe one of

1034
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the early conflicts. I forget whether it was like Vietnam

1035
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.880
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, but I don't think he came

1036
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 1>from from from wealth. And one thing that's interesting about

1037
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the Western power structure is that it's not always necessarily

1038
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 1>wealthy people, because a lot of people come from a

1039
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 1>lower to mid mid mid class at times that can

1040
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>be recruited into the power structure depending upon their capability.

1041
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 1>So in the case of Henry Kissinger, he was apparently

1042
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 1>proficient in his intelligence at work, and then he went

1043
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.559
<v Speaker 1>on to do a lot of high level academic stuff.

1044
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 1>He wrote a thesis on Adrold Spangler, which I think

1045
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 1>caught the attention of Rockefeller, and so he was immediately

1046
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.239
<v Speaker 1>recruited by the Rockefellers into kind of being what you

1047
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.760
<v Speaker 1>could argue is maybe their sort of main league Gate

1048
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 1>or at the SHAE for many decades. Uh, and he

1049
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.360
<v Speaker 1>was obviously a member of you know, high level CFR

1050
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.039
<v Speaker 1>type stuff, and then came up with the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>he proposed to David Rocke Rockefeller for a Trilateral Commission,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be a higher level committee for Brazenski. So

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<v Speaker 1>he really became the point man in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rockefellers for many decades. And that's why when you

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<v Speaker 1>see Kissinger there in all of these administrations going back

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<v Speaker 1>to like Nixon, that's the oligarchy in the background, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as I think he was a national security advisor,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe he was the what's the I forget that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to I'm going blank on the term that

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<v Speaker 1>like Brezenski was, you know, uh, the main advisor to

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<v Speaker 1>Carter and these different presidents, right, So that's the role

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<v Speaker 1>that these.

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<v Speaker 2>People kind of play in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we see we saw Brazenski there from Carter

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<v Speaker 1>up to Obama, right, he was Obama's security advisor, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a key role for this type of person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the State Department and in other places

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<v Speaker 1>like that, kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of calling the shots.

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<v Speaker 1>In the background, but not in a secret way, in

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<v Speaker 1>a semi public, semi private way. So I think they

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<v Speaker 1>did the establishment discovered that that model works better.

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<v Speaker 2>Than it being totally secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not just have a figure like a Kissinger there

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<v Speaker 1>for decades, you know, kind of advising the president what

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<v Speaker 1>the real power structure, namely the billionaires and the trillionaires

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. You want to say what they want done.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's who Henry Kissinger is, is one of these

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<v Speaker 1>these high level consultants who's actually a league gate of

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<v Speaker 1>the oligarchs.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotcha, man? Oh okay, So when you talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>oligarchs and the oligarchy, and you know, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>terms being used a bit interchangeably with billionaires sometimes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to understand who we are talking about here,

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<v Speaker 3>because obviously not not you know, billionaires are not some monolith, right,

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01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:21.079
<v Speaker 3>Not every single billionaire is, right, Like, not every single

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<v Speaker 3>billionaire is some weird dude running around with Epstein trying

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<v Speaker 3>to control the world or you know, whatever this oligarchy is.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm trying to understand, like, who is in this

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<v Speaker 3>oligarchy and how big is it, especially because a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of billionaires who are public figures obviously were targeted by

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<v Speaker 3>Epstein and other types. And I kind of assume that

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<v Speaker 3>if they're being targeted and you're trying to get this

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01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.440
<v Speaker 3>dirt on them and bring them into this web, it

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<v Speaker 3>suggests that they're not necessarily already inside it. Does that

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<v Speaker 3>make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Yeah, I mean when I say a lot garky,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just referring to what I believe is the real

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<v Speaker 1>power movers and shakers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, one of these.

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<v Speaker 1>People from the Kissinger group, I think he's from the

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01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Kissinger group.

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever call.

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<v Speaker 1>His name's David Rothcobb, and he wrote a book called

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<v Speaker 1>The Superclass, and he talked about how there's really just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple thousand people that run the world, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean by the oligarchy. And oligarchy is

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<v Speaker 1>an old term going back to you know, ancient Greece,

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01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:30.199
<v Speaker 1>where you had times where you know, the Greeks would

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<v Speaker 1>fall under the rule of these tyrants who weren't politicians necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>They might just be just wealthy individuals who exercise a

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01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:47.039
<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of control and power beyond what any democratically elected.

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01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Official might might exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think about it, makes a lot of

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01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.960
<v Speaker 1>sense just practically speaking. I mean, if a senator makes

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01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 1>or a congressman makes you know, one d two hundred

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01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.480
<v Speaker 1>three hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>A year, who do you think has more power or

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<v Speaker 2>a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously billionaires have a lot more power in

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01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:11.440
<v Speaker 1>our system, especially than some bureaucrat or some legislator. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I typically mean by oligarch. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>with oligarchy is that even if they don't like each other,

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01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 1>oligarchs can get together and.

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<v Speaker 2>Network and have.

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01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:30.199
<v Speaker 1>A lot of power as a group or as a

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<v Speaker 1>semi secret, semi private group beyond what elected officials might have.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I say the oligarchy, that's what I'm referring to,

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<v Speaker 1>not just any billionaire, but specifically, as we said a

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01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:46.519
<v Speaker 1>minute ago, certain ones that are targeted for these types

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01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of groups and networks or recruited into them or compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of different possibilities, and they don't even

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01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.039
<v Speaker 1>have to necessarily be personally wealthy in the case of

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01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Kissinger or even himself. Epstein himself wasn't wealthy, but he

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01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.559
<v Speaker 1>was recruited into this and put into positions of.

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01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Power by wealthy people.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes people will talk about bloods and brains, right,

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01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So blood's being blue bloods are people that are inheriting

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01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.960
<v Speaker 1>or born into a lot of wealth, and then brains

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01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 1>being people recruited into it, like a Brazenski or a Kissinger,

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01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 1>who are exceptionally intelligent, high IQ people who are used

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01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:27.280
<v Speaker 1>by this oligarchy, this wealth structure to, you know, to

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01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 1>further the cause of the oligarchy.

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01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.679
<v Speaker 2>A good example of this was some years.

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01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Ago when it came out mainstream media, for example, The

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01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Guardian did a big piece on it. I'm not promoting

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01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the Guardian, I'm just saying they're a source for this.

1149
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 1>There was a meeting called the Good Club and this

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01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 1>was Bill Gates, George Soros, Oprah, I forget a few

1151
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 1>other billionaires that were there, and they were meeting to

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01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:56.320
<v Speaker 1>discuss how to further the agenda of depopulation. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>one example of the types of things that the Guardian covered. Yeah,

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01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.360
<v Speaker 1>just look up the Good Club, Bill Gates, Oprah and

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01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.519
<v Speaker 1>you'll get their article on their meeting. And they were

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01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 1>just very candid about it that they were like, yeah,

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01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.039
<v Speaker 1>we're meeting to discuss how to depopulate the world.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, I'm gonna google that one.

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01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look it up. It's a classic.

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01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.039
<v Speaker 1>But you know's there's plenty of other examples. I mean,

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01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:25.280
<v Speaker 1>essentially that's what builderberg is and you have to understand

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01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:29.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not just one group. These are all the same

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01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 1>types of steering committee, NGO foundation type groups and meetings

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01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 1>that occur all the time. So the same people that

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<v Speaker 1>go to Builderberg usually are also members of the CFR,

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01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 1>and they're usually also members of the Council Foreign Relations,

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01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and they're usually also you know, part and parcel of

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01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.880
<v Speaker 1>some other group like this. So all of these groups

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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:58.400
<v Speaker 1>participate in and work together for the Western power structure,

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01:06:58.440 --> 01:06:59.159
<v Speaker 1>which you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Call the Atlanticist elite.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the term that Carol Quigley uses, and that's just

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01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a term that comes out of an older British model

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01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:13.920
<v Speaker 1>by a famous geopolitical strategist named Lord Halford mckinder, and

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<v Speaker 1>mckinder is the one that came up with the present

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01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.239
<v Speaker 1>it's still used today, which is.

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<v Speaker 2>The heartland rim Land model of the world. Right. So the.

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<v Speaker 1>Perspective here is that to control the world, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to control what's called the heartland, which is the Eurasian heartland.

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<v Speaker 1>So because Eurasia is vast, it has most of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's population, it has a lot of the world's resources.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can control that, that means you have the

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01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:49.320
<v Speaker 1>upper hand in global power politics. So that's why, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine was really important and Braziski wrote a whole book

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01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:56.440
<v Speaker 1>on this. One of his last books was called Strategic Vision,

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01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.679
<v Speaker 1>and in that book, he says that to really control

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01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the world, we need to control the Eurasian Hartland. He

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<v Speaker 1>said the same thing, by the way, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back in his book Grand Chessboard, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>But why do they write these books.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the books are written for that class, the political

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01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:17.159
<v Speaker 1>and intellectual academic class. And well, for example, when I

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01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:19.239
<v Speaker 1>was studying a lot of this stuff in grad school,

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01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.439
<v Speaker 1>like I went to my library one day because I

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01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.439
<v Speaker 1>was a research assistant, so I was working in the library,

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01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 1>and before I owned Tragian Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I checked it out, and my library had.

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<v Speaker 1>Tragian Hope since like the nineteen seventies, came out in

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<v Speaker 1>the late sixties. Right, guess how many times somebody had

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01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.399
<v Speaker 1>checked out that book when I checked it out in

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01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.760
<v Speaker 1>all those decades. I checked it out probably in around

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01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten or eleven. Guess how many times people had

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01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:48.880
<v Speaker 1>checked it out?

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01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 3>So you said, in what timeframe.

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<v Speaker 2>Our copy was?

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01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I think had been there since the seventies, late seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>So from the late seventies until twenty ten, how many

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<v Speaker 1>times would you think that.

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01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Tragi Hope was checked out?

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01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Three times?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was the second, and all that time I

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01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:10.720
<v Speaker 1>was the second person that had ever checked out the book. Right, So,

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01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.239
<v Speaker 1>like I said, like a lot of books like that,

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01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.800
<v Speaker 1>at least before the internet. Uh, those were those books

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<v Speaker 1>were written for academia and for people in government, right,

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01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.479
<v Speaker 1>So they they weren't written for the public.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not mass mass public texts.

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<v Speaker 1>And even all the way up until Brazenski's time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because he passed away a few years ago, like he

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01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.560
<v Speaker 1>would say in interviews and in because he was in

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01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.239
<v Speaker 1>he was on TV media quite a bit. You know,

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01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.319
<v Speaker 1>his daughter Mika Brezenski is still I think on MSNBC.

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<v Speaker 1>But like he would say all the time, like the

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01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 1>public has a two week attention span at max, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're not they're not going to remember the news story

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<v Speaker 1>from three weeks ago. And we just saw this with Epstein,

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01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Like people have already forgotten Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate, I hate that he's correct, He's so great.

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<v Speaker 1>And that unfortunate, but you know, that's that's the I

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01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.319
<v Speaker 1>think the attitude about why they would publish a lot

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01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.600
<v Speaker 1>of these big policy papers and books is that they

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01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:10.800
<v Speaker 1>just I mean, they know and they don't think the

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01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 1>public will care or do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's quite damning. One more question, before you before

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<v Speaker 3>you round this out, is is Hollywood connected to this?

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<v Speaker 3>And if so, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely great question. And again.

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<v Speaker 1>This very question right like was something I found the

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01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.279
<v Speaker 1>most most interesting and fixated me. And this is why

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, you know, three books on it was precisely

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01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:43.520
<v Speaker 1>because there is this fascinating connection between even the early

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01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.279
<v Speaker 1>stays of Hollywood, Like they were already using movies for

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01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.239
<v Speaker 1>propaganda back in the nineteen teens and twenties. Some of

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01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the biggest movies, earliest blockbusters, like Howard Hughes' movies like

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01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Hell's Angels, those were war propaganda films. So they were

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01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 1>already doing propaganda as soon as the camera was invented, basically.

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<v Speaker 2>And other countries did the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You had people in you know, Lenny Riefenstahl in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>you had.

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<v Speaker 2>His name's Eisenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>In Soviet Russia, they were using the camera to film

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01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:23.720
<v Speaker 1>propaganda films right away. So you know, what happened with

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01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood was that you had what eventually became a studio

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<v Speaker 1>system where you had you know, three, four or five

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01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 1>six studios that sort of became the dominant power structure

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01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.159
<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles, and a lot of the studio heads

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<v Speaker 1>would work with a consult with the military and the Pentagon,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually the OSS and the CIA. So the OSS

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<v Speaker 1>is the precursor to the CIA from from nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>two until nineteen forty seven. From nineteen forty seven on,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the CIA, but it was this relationship was so

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<v Speaker 1>tight that some of the biggest actors in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of cinema have been spies openly, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this was only declassified in the last few years, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's all pretty much on record now. The National Archives

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<v Speaker 1>just recently, for example, declassified some stuff that confirmed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people's theories that you have people like Jimmy Stewart,

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<v Speaker 1>he was working for the FBI. You had people like

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<v Speaker 1>Carry Grant, he worked with the OSS. The famous director

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<v Speaker 1>John Ford made movies directly with the OSS.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the OSS.

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<v Speaker 3>What's in the OSS, I'm not familiar with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the OSS is the Officer of Strategic Services, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the predecessor to the CIA. So basically, in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>two you had Bill Donovan set up under FDR what's

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<v Speaker 1>called the OSS, which was the advice that British intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>gave to the administration at that time that you need

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<v Speaker 1>your own private secret service or security apparatus, right, not

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<v Speaker 1>for the president himself, but for the country to have

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<v Speaker 1>essentially its own private intelligence apparatus.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would argue, as F.

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01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:18.439
<v Speaker 1>William Ingdall does that, Really it's just the Rockefeller's private Army,

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<v Speaker 1>is what the OSS was. And so Bill Donovan set

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<v Speaker 1>up this organization after the model of how British Intelligence worked.

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<v Speaker 1>So the British SIS or five and MI six became

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<v Speaker 1>the structure for and the consulting brains behind the OSS,

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<v Speaker 1>which in nineteen forty seven got rebranded and reformatted into

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically that structure was also working hand in hand

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<v Speaker 2>with Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, one of those key figures from British Intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>that helped Donovan set up the OSS was In Fleming,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote all the Bond stories, So James Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's why I.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote my I never finished my master's thesis,

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01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.079
<v Speaker 1>but I published what I did complete in peer review.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called The Mini Layers of Double seven if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to look it up. But the thesis is about

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<v Speaker 1>how intelligence was using Bond as a form of propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>during the Cold War. So those Bond movies are propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>for those that don't know, for the Cold War. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great example, Probably the greatest example of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this is James Bond, Right, James Bond is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Western power structures intelligence apparatus, usage of an image

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<v Speaker 1>and a symbol in Hollywood to convey a message to

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<v Speaker 1>the public during the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying that that makes the Soviets good.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not good. They did the exact same thing, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Both the East the West are utilizing this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this new power of Hollywood for propaganda. In fact, Edward

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<v Speaker 1>Burnees said that the most powerful engine of propaganda the

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<v Speaker 1>world's ever seen was Hollywood. So that's why Hollywood is

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<v Speaker 1>so crucial. It's the modern myth maker, it's the modern storyteller.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives the population their archetypal paradigm and worldview way

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<v Speaker 1>more so than like the news, right, And the news

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<v Speaker 1>is important, and of course the CIA had to very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly have a stranglehold on the news, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Mockingbird was under Frank Wisner of the CIA. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the masses, right, I mean, Hollywood plays that role.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I want to stress that you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>goes beyond just the messaging in the films. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it goes as far as the recruiting of a

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<v Speaker 1>listers to be spies.

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<v Speaker 2>That to me is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Sterling Hayden was a famous, you know, forties

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<v Speaker 1>era a lister and he was an operative for the OSS.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you get into more recent.

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<v Speaker 1>Times and nowadays, like a lot of a list Hollywood people,

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<v Speaker 1>they just openly work with the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>You have.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Garner was openly a pr for the CIA. Ben Affleck,

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<v Speaker 1>he made several movies openly in consultation with the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>Argo Zero Dark thirty, American Sniper. I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole ton of movies that have just been open

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<v Speaker 1>CIA movies basically. So absolutely that's how it works, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I wrote the books about.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, well, Jay Man, I know that we could we

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01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.960
<v Speaker 3>could literally go for hours, and we'll definitely have you

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<v Speaker 3>on the podcast again some time in the future. But man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for I don't know how you. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how you spend so much time researching and learn

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01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:03.640
<v Speaker 3>about all this stuff and talking about it and remain sane.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, I'm an Olddox, Precious or Orthodox Chris Jenny

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01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 1>helps me be sane.

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<v Speaker 3>So keeps you root, It keeps you grinded, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, God, God, bless your work and thank you for

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01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.279
<v Speaker 3>the gift of your time and wisdom. Where can people

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<v Speaker 3>find and follow you online?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my website is jasanalysis dot com and it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an archived thing going back about ten years. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a members section where all my lectures and talks

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01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and deep dives over the last ten years. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find those in the archives there if you become a member.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of ton of public podcast interviews, debates

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<v Speaker 1>at my website and at my channel Jasonalysis dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want the books, they're all signed copies in

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01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the shop at Jasonelsis dot com. And you can find

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<v Speaker 1>me on Instagram, ax, Rumble everywhere else under Jay Dyer.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome, Jay, thanks for coming on the show man. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been a pleasure talking to you.
