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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want it to go away. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is an important thing. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that texting has gotten way out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>the usage of the apps way out of control, and

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<v Speaker 1>as the late night hosts had a heyday with it,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of started it yesterday. The idea that the

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<v Speaker 1>top intelligence minds in the United States would be using

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<v Speaker 1>emojis to respond to war plans texts is troubling.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to reference zero point sixteen on my nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>point phone contract. I'm not sure what number it is actually,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is. Don't put anything on the Internet or

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<v Speaker 2>any tool that uses the Internet for communication that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want everyone to see. Whether it's your mom, your dad, grandma,

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<v Speaker 2>your peeni kids don't see. Don't put anything up there

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't want people to see. So this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing is A writer for the editor in chief of

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<v Speaker 2>The Atlantic magazine was included on this very high level

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<v Speaker 2>text chain using the Signal app, which does have end

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<v Speaker 2>to end encryption, and it involved Secretary of State, Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of Defense, National Security Advisor, Director of National Intelligence, White

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<v Speaker 2>House Chief of Staff, Vice President, among others, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>military plans to attack the Houthi rebels in Yemen, because

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<v Speaker 2>the Houthi rebels in Yemen have been such a I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know the right adjective. They've been such a

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<v Speaker 2>problem for shipping into and out of the Suez Canal,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've caused some massive problems, not to mention the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they've been launching missiles towards Israel for the

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<v Speaker 2>last few months.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that the hu Thies, though remain under the

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<v Speaker 1>general pop radar, is very good for the administration because

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people are hearing hou Thi's and going, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what right, If this is China, if this was Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>if this was a on, it would be a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger deal. Now, the fallout continues, and today you're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from Republicans saying we need heads to roll, get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of Mike Waltz. Let's just own it and move on,

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<v Speaker 1>because this continued. Not owning it and not standing up

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<v Speaker 1>and being accountable is bothering some Republicans on Capitol Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, own up to it, preserve your credibility. Fire walls.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that they're still.

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<v Speaker 1>Claiming this is not classified or sensitive information is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it may not fit the legal definition based on

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<v Speaker 2>these different agencies and their rules. It may not fit

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<v Speaker 2>the definition of classified, but at the very least you

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<v Speaker 2>have to admit it is sensitive information. So yesterday the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate Intelligence Committee talked to heads of the intelligence agencies

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<v Speaker 2>just for a yearly update. This of course was the

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<v Speaker 2>dominant subject. Same thing today they're in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>House Intelligence Committee. This was Tulca Gabbard, director of a

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<v Speaker 2>National Intelligence and part of her opening statement today.

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<v Speaker 3>National Security Advice has taken full responsibility for this, and

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<v Speaker 3>the National Security Council is conducting an in depth review

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<v Speaker 3>along with technical experts working to determine how this reporter

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<v Speaker 3>was inadvertently added to this chat. The conversation was candid

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<v Speaker 3>and sensitive sense, but as the president National Security Advisor stated,

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<v Speaker 3>no classified information was shared. There were no sources, methods, locations,

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<v Speaker 3>or war plans that were shared. This was a standard

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<v Speaker 3>update to the National Security Cabinet that was provided alongside

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<v Speaker 3>updates that were given to foreign partners in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we know what was in the text chain, because

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday even though Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic, said he had more information that he could release.

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<v Speaker 2>This morning, the Atlantic published the text chain. They published

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<v Speaker 2>everything that this guy had his eyes on now because.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, well, if it's not classified sensitive, then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just publish all of it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is. Again, even Tulsa Gabbart admits this is

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive because it includes things like this is a text

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been eleven forty four Eastern time back

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<v Speaker 2>on the middle of March, so a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>the day of the attack. Whether it's this is from

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense team update time now

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<v Speaker 2>eleven forty four weather, it's favorable. Just confirmed with Sentcom.

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<v Speaker 2>We are a go for mission launch twelve fifteen F

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen's launch first strike package one forty five. He's using

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<v Speaker 2>military times, so it's thirteen forty five trigger based F

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen's first strike windows starts also MQ nine's more F eighteens.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm combining them all together second strike at fifteen thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all very sensitive information. Yes, it may not

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<v Speaker 2>be classified because, as the Director of National Intelligence said,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't specific targets or locations. It didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the methods or perhaps where these planes were launching from,

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<v Speaker 2>which would also be sensitive information or potentially classified information.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the least it's sensitive.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for just to think about. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't even know where I come down on this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this journalist is privy to this information, is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at his phone, his signal app and it's like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm supposed to see this. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation of yeah, this is not cool that I

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<v Speaker 1>was involved. But I was involved as a political reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>an editor, the editor of The Atlantic, very highly placed reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't some club reporter who works for news dot

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<v Speaker 1>net or what you know, what I mean, some fly

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<v Speaker 1>by night publication. This is somebody who you would trust

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<v Speaker 1>if you were if they were privy to that information.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the editor of it's up there, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>The Atlantic goes, although it leans very much left.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's up there with major publications.

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<v Speaker 1>If this was a binding administration, or if this was

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<v Speaker 1>a Kamala Harris administration, does that reporter run with this?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a question.

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<v Speaker 1>The other question is this, what benefit do we get

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<v Speaker 1>Does it help us or hurt us to be privy

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<v Speaker 1>to this information? Yes, they didn't mean to make it public,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were accidentally included.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you make it public? Right? I think is

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<v Speaker 2>there a.

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<v Speaker 1>Responsibility as a journalist? I mean, again, it's just a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there is. If back from my journalism days,

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<v Speaker 1>if I was privy to communicate between the mayor of

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<v Speaker 1>LA and the police chief about staging for a massive

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<v Speaker 1>protest on May Day, There's no way I'd go on

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<v Speaker 1>the air with that. I'd call them and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I was supposed to be included.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing not, But I got all the back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth from you guys because it doesn't It doesn't help

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<v Speaker 1>the public to know that, you know what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, which is which is why I'm surprised that Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>Goldberg published the entire thing. Yeah. Now, I know he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to protect his own credibility, which is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are lying about the actual contents, then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to give you the contents to prove that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being that I'm but are just looking out for number

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<v Speaker 2>one in that moment. I think that's what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it feels like right now. And I can

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<v Speaker 2>be proven wrong on that. But he had said that

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<v Speaker 2>there was enough sensitive material. If you remember Monday's article

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<v Speaker 2>when he published originally and said I was involved in

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<v Speaker 2>this thing and it should I shouldn't have been. He

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<v Speaker 2>was self redacted. I mean, he held back some of

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<v Speaker 2>the information that was in there because he was concerned

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<v Speaker 2>that it was too sensitive to be released, including this

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<v Speaker 2>full text of exactly what Pete hag Seth had said.

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<v Speaker 2>He also referenced what he said was an active CIA

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<v Speaker 2>undercover agent or at least an intelligence agent that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want her identity released and was careful about that. Then

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<v Speaker 2>if that's the case, why.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that, like I understand preserving your credibility,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all you have in that post, and I get

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<v Speaker 1>why he did that, and I understand that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>still those are questions.

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<v Speaker 2>On the table.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I come down, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, do you imagine Joe Biden's private

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<v Speaker 1>app conversation Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the one of the rallying cries during the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign for Republicans was they didn't fire anybody yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>never fired anybody that Joe Biden never fired people who

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<v Speaker 2>did wrong things, egregious things, starting with perhaps the withdrawal

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<v Speaker 2>from Afghanistan and how I mean, in that case it

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<v Speaker 2>was deadly. This is not a deadly mistake, but it

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<v Speaker 2>could be. That's what Trump picks people. He kind of

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<v Speaker 1>So firing Mike Waltz would kind of be showing that

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<v Speaker 1>he was wrong in some regards.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember he did that during the first administration. All

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<v Speaker 2>of the cabinet members. Think of Jeff Sessions, Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of secretaries of state that he fired. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>he I don't know if he then he then makes

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<v Speaker 2>the excuse of well they're not who I thought they

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<v Speaker 2>would be or whatever. So anyway, more on this.

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<v Speaker 1>But Waltz doesn't get to go on Fox News and

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<v Speaker 1>call the reporter a loser. You're the loser, sir, Well

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<v Speaker 1>you're the loser who did this. I mean, he's accepted

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<v Speaker 1>credibility on one hand and called in the responsibility and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then called the reporter a loser on the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Just own it and move on. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be petty. We'll continue with this when we come back

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>Gary Shann like Saggy if I am six forty live

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere on the no Collagen number number nine on the

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<v Speaker 2>text contract, sorry, the techno contract that my wife and

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<v Speaker 2>I had the kids fill out. Do not text, email

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<v Speaker 2>or anything to someone that you would not say out

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<v Speaker 2>loud with their parents in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I have intel from people in the know in Washington

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<v Speaker 1>who say that this is one of many text scandals

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<v Speaker 1>that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on right now that we're not even hearing about. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>how could it not. We're just we're big dumb meat

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<v Speaker 2>bags that were big dumb animals, is what we are,

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<v Speaker 2>and we forget now. Don't don't backtrack off meat bags

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna stick around. I mean this freaking gold we

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<v Speaker 2>we are. We are dumb animals, and unless we're reminded

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<v Speaker 2>every single day not to touch the electric fence, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to touch the electric fence. And in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like the National Security Advisor Mike Waltz touched

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<v Speaker 2>the electric fence, and unfortunately all of the other people

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<v Speaker 2>that were involved in this also leaned up against the

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<v Speaker 2>electric fence, and yeah, there should be hell to pay.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot you cannot make a mistake like this and

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<v Speaker 2>expect to keep your job.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my other question question with regard to this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say that Jeffrey Goldberg is a Democrat. Let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>he hates this Trump administration. He hates we're doing round

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<v Speaker 1>two of this. He's embarrassed. He reflects the opinions of

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<v Speaker 1>many Democrats in his country where they're just trying not

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<v Speaker 1>to pay attention. But he's a journalist and he has

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<v Speaker 1>to and he's embarrassed and oh my gosh, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all liars and they're awful people. Let's say that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the case, and then he goes and sees that

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<v Speaker 1>he's privy to this, that they're texting back and forth. This, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>another layer of embarrassment for America. Aren't you then doing yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I know I'm going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>heat for this about you know, journalism, and that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what real journalists would do. Of course they go public

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<v Speaker 1>But aren't you just f youing your own country by

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you mentioned that last seg and I was

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<v Speaker 2>specific parties that reporters don't like or what however, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to couch that, but there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>those halls of power in Washington, DC, because the reporters

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<v Speaker 2>also had a certain amount of power. Now they do now,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's in a different it's kind of in a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if this is part of the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump f and ewing reporters his first administration, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that had something to do with it, because you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of what's the what's the Latin from

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Trump does that for a lot of reporters,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for one thing, he's on the defensive. He always

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<v Speaker 2>he would trust him. We mentioned Mike Walls going on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News last night. This was him on the ingram

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<v Speaker 2>Angle talking about he takes full responsibility for this fiat.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't know what staffer is responsible for this

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<v Speaker 5>Well, look, staffer wasn't responsible. And look I take full responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's cute.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't mean to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be pedantic here, but how did the number.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you ever had? Have you ever had somebody's contact

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<v Speaker 5>that shows their name and then you have an and

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<v Speaker 5>then you have somebody else that mistakes right, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't loser in the group. It looked like she

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<v Speaker 1>There's obviously not a staffer that is orchestrating this group chat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obviously actually Mike Waltz. But that's currently their explanation

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a staffer that no, no, that it is

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<v Speaker 2>the connection that Mike Waltz says he's never communicated with

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<v Speaker 2>office that this may have had a connection to, was

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<v Speaker 2>The President talked about it too. Listen, it's all going

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<v Speaker 2>not how the signal app works. No, No, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that, but but it's one of those it's

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like that sounds like a BS to the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of the country that's not paying attention. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>staffer's fault, right, They're the one that screwed up the

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<v Speaker 1>chiron on the Super.

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl r Right, it's some someone else's fault. We'll figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who it is, that person will be dealt with,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll make sure that it never happens again. This

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<v Speaker 2>happens in whatever administration is in power, they make a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake and rather than coming forward and admitting it, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing at least the good job and saying the

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<v Speaker 2>buck stops with me. He's not resigning, but he's at

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<v Speaker 2>least saying, hey, it's mine. The cover up is always

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<v Speaker 2>worse than the actual foible. I mean, whatever mistake you made,

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<v Speaker 2>raise your hand loudly, whoa, guys, sorry, that's me. That's

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<v Speaker 2>on me. I never should have done that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>move on from it. Whether he loses his job or what.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's up to him and the president. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that you would then say, ah, gosh, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it could have been something as silly as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the staffer that communicated with Jeffrey Goldberg one time, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fly. I mean, you've got high excuse levels of government,

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<v Speaker 2>the highest of National Security Council members involved in that thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one has the national security mine to go, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, who is JG Why Why isn't he

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<v Speaker 2>adding anything to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Blaming someone else or coming up with excuses to me

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<v Speaker 1>makes you seem so damn weak. Just say I screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>That comes with a lot of strength. In my book, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a quick thing I need to do here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh with a drum roll, Yes, Oh, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>friend who is retiring from your Los Angeles County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>Department today. Oh wow, thirty six years. What can we do? Where?

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<v Speaker 2>Where is the party? A party? Is it a private location? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>But Joey Trimarky is can we send him a bottle

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<v Speaker 2>of something? Sure? That's a great idea. Yeah, friend, you

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<v Speaker 2>should have thought about that as a sergeant in the

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<v Speaker 2>Major Crimes Bureau for the LA County Sheriff's Department. Is

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<v Speaker 2>today is his last day?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Excellent job, thirty six years of service. Give it

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<v Speaker 1>up for Joey, Joe, thank you for your call him joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we call him Joey, but everybody knows him

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<v Speaker 2>as joe Ah, joe trimark I'm met a guy at

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<v Speaker 2>the blackjack table named Joey once. Did he take all

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<v Speaker 2>your money?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't the dealer. He was shady. He was like

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<v Speaker 2>a classic Joey where he's into some stuff you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know about. But he's cool. You know, Joey's are

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<v Speaker 2>always very cool. Joe's pretty straight. Lace you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that major crimes, Elie sheriff's barman. Come on, yes, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he may over. You've been snowed. But I

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations to Joe on his retirement. Thirty six years.

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<v Speaker 1>With the county Sheriff's Department's a long time, massive, It's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a long time. What were you doing

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<v Speaker 2>in Ny? You're probably making babies by then as a

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<v Speaker 2>junior in high school. I don't know, not that I

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four year old, and just based on my history,

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<v Speaker 2>his name would be Joe. That's a good stuff, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back, there's more pressure now on Greenland than there

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<v Speaker 2>was just yesterday. And we talked about this trip of

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<v Speaker 2>American officials to Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>But now they've scaled it back, so now everyone's happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they've scaled back the trip. They were going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a bunch of stuff and now they're just.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to do Yea. Now the Vice president is going right.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I think that's just so that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it would have been better just to send

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>The new DA of La County, Nathan Hawkman bringing back

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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty to Los Angeles. It's kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>of those symbolic moves, isn't it. It's like, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way California is going to execute anyone. But he did

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<v Speaker 1>run on this topic, and so here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The Supreme Court has upheld a bite Administration gun regulation

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<v Speaker 2>on so called ghost guns. It will require continued serial numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>background checks, and age verifications for people to buy kits

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<v Speaker 2>to build the ghost guns, which are usually privately made

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<v Speaker 2>firearms without any serial numbers that allow police to trace

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<v Speaker 2>weapons that are used in crime. The Court handed down

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<v Speaker 2>it's seven to two opinion today seven to two unusual

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<v Speaker 2>considering the current makeup of the of the courts. We

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about the signal app Ofay.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys, don't you think releasing the information first ball? It's passed,

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<v Speaker 6>so it's not something that's going to happen that we're

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<v Speaker 6>letting those secrets out. But the other thing is, don't

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<v Speaker 6>you think the cabinet members of people involved in this

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<v Speaker 6>need to have their toes held to the fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this wasn't a big.

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<v Speaker 6>Deal, but what are the next time?

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<v Speaker 2>It is?

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<v Speaker 6>They should have their toes held.

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<v Speaker 2>To the fire? Yeah, I mean I think they they're

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<v Speaker 2>never going to do this again, But well, how do

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<v Speaker 2>I agree? I agree?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should take one of that guy's toes

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Waltz, Yeah, he's got to pay and then dress

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<v Speaker 1>it up like a puppet.

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<v Speaker 2>But now the toe puppet thing we need to revisit

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<v Speaker 2>at some point because I think that's an infatuation that

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't discussed deeply enough. But to what end? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree their feet should be held to the fire.

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<v Speaker 2>We should find a way to make sure that this

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<v Speaker 2>never happens again. Do we ban the signal app from use?

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<v Speaker 2>When whenever it comes to the National Security Council or

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<v Speaker 2>or what they're going to communicable.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to communicate the way all of us communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to text each other, and if signal is

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<v Speaker 1>the safest way to do that, which it is probably,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not a technical.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, A lot of agencies use the signal app exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people in law enforcement that use the Signal app.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, that means that they trust it enough

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<v Speaker 1>to use it for private communication. So they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Just be careful. Just don't be a dip

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<v Speaker 1>mess about it, I guess, is the thing. Because they're

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<v Speaker 1>typewriters or what have you. Like, there's not gonna They're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to change the way they communicate, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the way we're not going to change the way we communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>But just don't Maybe maybe once once certain conversations reach

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<v Speaker 1>a certain sensitive level, they should be held in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and part of the reason that this one

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't at least the way they described it today was

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<v Speaker 2>some of these people were out of the country at

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<v Speaker 2>the time that the text chain was going around. That's

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be the case because of the level

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<v Speaker 2>of the of of cabinet members that we're talking about. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a better way to do it? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Should their feet be held to the fire because this

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<v Speaker 2>was such an egregious mistake, Yeah, you can have it

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are calling for the resignations of Pete Hegseth and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Waltz, to which I say, why if you're a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>let them flap around in the breeze for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to let them take their hits on with

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<v Speaker 2>I get their their argument would be because those two

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<v Speaker 1>Again, be careful throwing stones people in Washington, because everyone

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and Republicans alike. Over the years we've been paying

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<v Speaker 1>at ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to point this out, not that I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist, but remember the great big Epstein file release

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<v Speaker 2>that we were going to get from the FBI and

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Justice, Just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>People still think if you follow the algorithm of the

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<v Speaker 1>alt right on x, people still believe there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>cover up and you're still going to find in the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files Hillary Clinton trading pizza for children sex slaves.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's still a thought train of there's something that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not knowing about the Epstein files. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats are using this in their latest round of

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<v Speaker 1>fundraising emails. Of course, anything to refresh the fundraising machine.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it rama man, you will never let it go.

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<v Speaker 2>Crisis go to waste. Was that him mohoves? I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that's much older than him. I'm sure it's much older.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of politics and fundraising, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>he has used it many who might be running for president.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, he's been coy about his plans in

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<v Speaker 2>the future.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to Winston Churchill, you're right. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>recently associated with rom Emmanuel, who used it during the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight financial crisis, but it's often tributed

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<v Speaker 1>to Winston Churchill.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds soon, That sounds Churchillian.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, particularly in his discussions about his post World War

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<v Speaker 1>two vision for Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>However, there's no hard evidence. Have you ever been to Greenland? Yes? No,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been to Iceland?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been to a land? Yes? Okay, in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about Greenland when we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>and the plans for travel have changed. If I've been

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<v Speaker 2>to a land, there's only two? I mean, are there more?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Queensland? You ever been to Queensland? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think so. How about Newfoundland again? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, there's so many lands too, so many places

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<v Speaker 2>to travel. How this Greenland trip has changed over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of twenty four hours and we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of other lands that I had forgotten to

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<v Speaker 2>ask Shanna if she had visited Maryland, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>she's been to Cleveland. So Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and

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<v Speaker 2>other administration officials are now being sued because they used

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<v Speaker 2>Signal the Signal app to discuss military plans to strike

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<v Speaker 2>Hoo the targets in Yemen. American Oversight is this group.

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<v Speaker 2>They allege in this lawsuit that the chat on the

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<v Speaker 2>unclassified commercial app that mistakenly included an editor in chief

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<v Speaker 2>of The Atlantic violated federal records loss. That is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the other catches in all of this is you

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<v Speaker 2>can set your app your messages to disappear at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain time, and just about all of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were in that text chain outside of of course, the

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<v Speaker 2>journalists are required by the government in many cases to

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<v Speaker 2>retain their records, so that may be an issue that

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<v Speaker 2>they have to deal with. This lawsuit was filed in

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<v Speaker 2>d C in a federal court that names Pete Hegseth

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<v Speaker 2>and other officials, including TELCA Gabbard d and I CIA

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<v Speaker 2>director John Ratcliffe, Treasury Secretary of Scott Bessant, and Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State Marco Rubio revising a controversial mandate from his predecessor,

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<v Speaker 2>La County DA Nathan Hofckman lifted the blanket band that

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<v Speaker 2>barred prosecutors from going after the death penalty. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that coming up at the top of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've been following the story out of Greenland. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has said Greenland should be ours for geopolitical, geographic

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<v Speaker 2>peace keeping reasons, and the Danes Denmark is in control

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<v Speaker 2>of Greenland, and we have a military base there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we technically have a space force base there. So

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<v Speaker 2>there was going to be a I don't know, diplomatic

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<v Speaker 2>happy time kind of trip that was going to include

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<v Speaker 2>Second Lady Usha Vance and the now embattled National Security

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<v Speaker 2>Advisor Mike Waltz, who were going to go to Greenland

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<v Speaker 2>for happy, fun time stuff. They were going to watch

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<v Speaker 2>a dog race and eat Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was under the backdrop of we want to

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<v Speaker 1>take over Greenland.

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<v Speaker 2>Right there's no there's no visit that any American official

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<v Speaker 2>going to Greenland. There's nothing right now, that's just I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to see what it's like. Green always got

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<v Speaker 2>pretext exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, you don't send officials of this level without

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<v Speaker 1>it being an official visit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now the itinerary has been toned down. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>altered because the JD is now going to be escorting

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<v Speaker 2>his wife. First, she's going to escort him.

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<v Speaker 1>However they do that, the decision now will be that

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<v Speaker 1>they are only visiting a US military base.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, They're going to do that US Space Force base

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<v Speaker 2>that is housed there in Greenland. That's all they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, because they said that that kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>visit would be less inflammatory. You're going to like your

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<v Speaker 2>own soil is hanging out with your own guys. Right

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Danish Foreign Minister Lars lok Rasmussen called the change a

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<v Speaker 1>positive development and a sign that he says, the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>have understood the resistance to the US overtures in Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of these people are saying, I am relieved.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind if they visit their own military base,

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<v Speaker 1>but canceling the tour to SYSTEMWUT is a right decision.

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<v Speaker 2>When you said, have I been to Greenland?

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<v Speaker 1>I was remembering my father in law had a flight

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<v Speaker 1>diverted to Greenland and like a layover I think overnight

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<v Speaker 1>in Greenland.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that would make that would make sense. I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, I don't know a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>have gone to Greenland to go to Greenland, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>they have had to stop through there. Yeah, And we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned obviously the context of if it was just Usha

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<v Speaker 2>Vance going, that's one thing, because then it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a good will visit and you're going to see visits

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<v Speaker 2>from uh. I mean, I don't know, think Marco Rubio's wife,

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<v Speaker 2>the wife of the Secretary of State, is going to

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<v Speaker 2>visit some places. You're going to see the first lady Milania.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where she's been.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to say, you're going to see them do

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<v Speaker 1>things like pick out some local lace.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to see them do just good will things. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not they're not there, but but they're not there

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<v Speaker 2>with an iron fists to say we want to acquire you. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the original plan included the National Security

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<v Speaker 2>Advisor raised some eyebrows for the people in Greenland right.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, and the poor people of Greenland, they're just living

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<v Speaker 1>their ice lives. They're like, there's no roads in there's

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<v Speaker 1>no roads in Greenland. You've got to get there with

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<v Speaker 1>your ice helicopter and your ice boat and your ice

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<v Speaker 1>things that you use with ice on things where there's

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<v Speaker 1>no roads, And they're just living their lives out there

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<v Speaker 1>and their furs this time of year that the animals

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<v Speaker 1>that they have killed themselves and they're eating off the

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<v Speaker 1>land all the carcasses that they killed.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fall, and they're eating that now because it's winter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making all of this up because I'm only basing

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<v Speaker 1>it on literary experiences I've had about people who live

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<v Speaker 1>where it's eighty percent ice. But anyway, they're living their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, they're like, now, what now,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me again what America wants to take us over? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Some like that is so like they have actual.

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<v Speaker 1>Real concerns in a place like Greenland in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>like living day to day. The idea that there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of weird thought process in America that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to take it over, it must be so foreign and

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<v Speaker 1>so bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there are some people in Greenland who

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<v Speaker 2>are like, Okay, be careful what you wish for well,

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<v Speaker 2>most of them probably they are wearing some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are wearing shirts and caps that say make a Marria

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<v Speaker 2>go away and Yankee go home, the old Yankee go home.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, what we've seen and some they've start staged

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<v Speaker 2>some of the largest demonstrations ever seen in Greenland, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how big that is. There's what forty

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<v Speaker 2>forty five thousand people the entire place.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also kind of having this feeling that we have

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when we talk about the school system in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like just focus on math and reading. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of want America to just focus on America right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't want Canada, I don't want Greenland. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just focus on making us better right now. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>too much to ask?

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<v Speaker 2>That's not as that's very divisive. It's divisive. Somebody's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say it's divisive. I know everything's divisive.

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<v Speaker 1>This this bottle of water, Oh damn divisive because no.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't open it, because then you have to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to drink the water, and then what are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to do with the plastic? I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>recycle it, doubt it not. Here they don't recycle here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a scam. You've seen those. Now, where do

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<v Speaker 2>you put up last? I think it's all a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I think it's I think it's seventy eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of scam recycling.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the people that happen. I think my

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<v Speaker 2>mom's got about seven trash bins up in northern California.

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<v Speaker 2>Does she have one of them?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they have her actually going to the toilet

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<v Speaker 1>in one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for the earth La County DA's office. When we

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<v Speaker 2>come back to Gary and Shannon. You've been listening to

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