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Speaker 2: I don't want it to go away. I think this
Speaker 2: is an important thing. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think that texting has gotten way out of control,
Speaker 1: the usage of the apps way out of control, and
Speaker 1: as the late night hosts had a heyday with it,
Speaker 1: we kind of started it yesterday. The idea that the
Speaker 1: top intelligence minds in the United States would be using
Speaker 1: emojis to respond to war plans texts is troubling.
Speaker 2: I want to reference zero point sixteen on my nineteen
Speaker 2: point phone contract. I'm not sure what number it is actually,
Speaker 2: but it is. Don't put anything on the Internet or
Speaker 2: any tool that uses the Internet for communication that you
Speaker 2: don't want everyone to see. Whether it's your mom, your dad, grandma,
Speaker 2: your peeni kids don't see. Don't put anything up there
Speaker 2: that you don't want people to see. So this whole
Speaker 2: thing is A writer for the editor in chief of
Speaker 2: The Atlantic magazine was included on this very high level
Speaker 2: text chain using the Signal app, which does have end
Speaker 2: to end encryption, and it involved Secretary of State, Secretary
Speaker 2: of Defense, National Security Advisor, Director of National Intelligence, White
Speaker 2: House Chief of Staff, Vice President, among others, talking about
Speaker 2: military plans to attack the Houthi rebels in Yemen, because
Speaker 2: the Houthi rebels in Yemen have been such a I
Speaker 2: don't even know the right adjective. They've been such a
Speaker 2: problem for shipping into and out of the Suez Canal,
Speaker 2: and they've caused some massive problems, not to mention the
Speaker 2: fact that they've been launching missiles towards Israel for the
Speaker 2: last few months.
Speaker 1: The fact that the hu Thies, though remain under the
Speaker 1: general pop radar, is very good for the administration because
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are hearing hou Thi's and going, now,
Speaker 1: what right, If this is China, if this was Russia,
Speaker 1: if this was a on, it would be a much
Speaker 1: bigger deal. Now, the fallout continues, and today you're hearing
Speaker 1: from Republicans saying we need heads to roll, get rid
Speaker 1: of Mike Waltz. Let's just own it and move on,
Speaker 1: because this continued. Not owning it and not standing up
Speaker 1: and being accountable is bothering some Republicans on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: They say, own up to it, preserve your credibility. Fire walls.
Speaker 2: The fact that they're still.
Speaker 1: Claiming this is not classified or sensitive information is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it may not fit the legal definition based on
Speaker 2: these different agencies and their rules. It may not fit
Speaker 2: the definition of classified, but at the very least you
Speaker 2: have to admit it is sensitive information. So yesterday the
Speaker 2: Senate Intelligence Committee talked to heads of the intelligence agencies
Speaker 2: just for a yearly update. This of course was the
Speaker 2: dominant subject. Same thing today they're in front of the
Speaker 2: House Intelligence Committee. This was Tulca Gabbard, director of a
Speaker 2: National Intelligence and part of her opening statement today.
Speaker 3: National Security Advice has taken full responsibility for this, and
Speaker 3: the National Security Council is conducting an in depth review
Speaker 3: along with technical experts working to determine how this reporter
Speaker 3: was inadvertently added to this chat. The conversation was candid
Speaker 3: and sensitive sense, but as the president National Security Advisor stated,
Speaker 3: no classified information was shared. There were no sources, methods, locations,
Speaker 3: or war plans that were shared. This was a standard
Speaker 3: update to the National Security Cabinet that was provided alongside
Speaker 3: updates that were given to foreign partners in the region.
Speaker 2: Now we know what was in the text chain, because
Speaker 2: yesterday even though Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of
Speaker 2: the Atlantic, said he had more information that he could release.
Speaker 2: This morning, the Atlantic published the text chain. They published
Speaker 2: everything that this guy had his eyes on now because.
Speaker 1: They said, well, if it's not classified sensitive, then we'll
Speaker 1: just publish all of it, right.
Speaker 2: And it is. Again, even Tulsa Gabbart admits this is
Speaker 2: sensitive because it includes things like this is a text
Speaker 2: It would have been eleven forty four Eastern time back
Speaker 2: on the middle of March, so a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: the day of the attack. Whether it's this is from
Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense team update time now
Speaker 2: eleven forty four weather, it's favorable. Just confirmed with Sentcom.
Speaker 2: We are a go for mission launch twelve fifteen F
Speaker 2: eighteen's launch first strike package one forty five. He's using
Speaker 2: military times, so it's thirteen forty five trigger based F
Speaker 2: eighteen's first strike windows starts also MQ nine's more F eighteens.
Speaker 2: I'm combining them all together second strike at fifteen thirty six.
Speaker 2: This is all very sensitive information. Yes, it may not
Speaker 2: be classified because, as the Director of National Intelligence said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't specific targets or locations. It didn't talk about
Speaker 2: the methods or perhaps where these planes were launching from,
Speaker 2: which would also be sensitive information or potentially classified information.
Speaker 2: But at the least it's sensitive.
Speaker 1: I have a question for just to think about. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even know where I come down on this.
Speaker 1: But this journalist is privy to this information, is looking
Speaker 1: at his phone, his signal app and it's like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm supposed to see this. Is it
Speaker 1: a conversation of yeah, this is not cool that I
Speaker 1: was involved. But I was involved as a political reporter,
Speaker 1: an editor, the editor of The Atlantic, very highly placed reporter.
Speaker 1: This isn't some club reporter who works for news dot
Speaker 1: net or what you know, what I mean, some fly
Speaker 1: by night publication. This is somebody who you would trust
Speaker 1: if you were if they were privy to that information.
Speaker 1: You know, the editor of it's up there, I would say,
Speaker 1: The Atlantic goes, although it leans very much left.
Speaker 2: But it's up there with major publications.
Speaker 1: If this was a binding administration, or if this was
Speaker 1: a Kamala Harris administration, does that reporter run with this?
Speaker 2: That's a question.
Speaker 1: The other question is this, what benefit do we get
Speaker 1: Does it help us or hurt us to be privy
Speaker 1: to this information? Yes, they didn't mean to make it public,
Speaker 1: and you were accidentally included.
Speaker 2: Why did you make it public? Right? I think is
Speaker 2: there a.
Speaker 1: Responsibility as a journalist? I mean, again, it's just a question.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is. If back from my journalism days,
Speaker 1: if I was privy to communicate between the mayor of
Speaker 1: LA and the police chief about staging for a massive
Speaker 1: protest on May Day, There's no way I'd go on
Speaker 1: the air with that. I'd call them and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was supposed to be included.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing not, But I got all the back and
Speaker 1: forth from you guys because it doesn't It doesn't help
Speaker 1: the public to know that, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, which is which is why I'm surprised that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Goldberg published the entire thing. Yeah. Now, I know he
Speaker 2: was trying to protect his own credibility, which is like, oh,
Speaker 2: you guys are lying about the actual contents, then I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you the contents to prove that I'm
Speaker 2: being that I'm but are just looking out for number
Speaker 2: one in that moment. I think that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like right now. And I can
Speaker 2: be proven wrong on that. But he had said that
Speaker 2: there was enough sensitive material. If you remember Monday's article
Speaker 2: when he published originally and said I was involved in
Speaker 2: this thing and it should I shouldn't have been. He
Speaker 2: was self redacted. I mean, he held back some of
Speaker 2: the information that was in there because he was concerned
Speaker 2: that it was too sensitive to be released, including this
Speaker 2: full text of exactly what Pete hag Seth had said.
Speaker 2: He also referenced what he said was an active CIA
Speaker 2: undercover agent or at least an intelligence agent that didn't
Speaker 2: want her identity released and was careful about that. Then
Speaker 2: if that's the case, why.
Speaker 1: And I understand that, like I understand preserving your credibility,
Speaker 1: it's all you have in that post, and I get
Speaker 1: why he did that, and I understand that it's it's
Speaker 1: still those are questions.
Speaker 2: On the table.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I come down, but it just
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, do you imagine Joe Biden's private
Speaker 1: app conversation Listen.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the rallying cries during the
Speaker 2: campaign for Republicans was they didn't fire anybody yeah, they
Speaker 2: never fired anybody that Joe Biden never fired people who
Speaker 2: did wrong things, egregious things, starting with perhaps the withdrawal
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan and how I mean, in that case it
Speaker 2: was deadly. This is not a deadly mistake, but it
Speaker 2: could be. That's what Trump picks people. He kind of
Speaker 2: that's his pick.
Speaker 1: So firing Mike Waltz would kind of be showing that
Speaker 1: he was wrong in some regards.
Speaker 2: But remember he did that during the first administration. All
Speaker 2: of the cabinet members. Think of Jeff Sessions, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: Think of secretaries of state that he fired. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: he I don't know if he then he then makes
Speaker 2: the excuse of well they're not who I thought they
Speaker 2: would be or whatever. So anyway, more on this.
Speaker 1: But Waltz doesn't get to go on Fox News and
Speaker 1: call the reporter a loser. You're the loser, sir, Well
Speaker 1: you're the loser who did this. I mean, he's accepted
Speaker 1: credibility on one hand and called in the responsibility and
Speaker 1: then and then called the reporter a loser on the other.
Speaker 2: Just own it and move on. You don't have to
Speaker 2: be petty. We'll continue with this when we come back
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Speaker 2: everywhere on the no Collagen number number nine on the
Speaker 2: text contract, sorry, the techno contract that my wife and
Speaker 2: I had the kids fill out. Do not text, email
Speaker 2: or anything to someone that you would not say out
Speaker 2: loud with their parents in the room.
Speaker 1: I have intel from people in the know in Washington
Speaker 1: who say that this is one of many text scandals
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 2: Going on right now that we're not even hearing about. Well,
Speaker 2: how could it not. We're just we're big dumb meat
Speaker 2: bags that were big dumb animals, is what we are,
Speaker 2: and we forget now. Don't don't backtrack off meat bags
Speaker 2: that's gonna stick around. I mean this freaking gold we
Speaker 2: we are. We are dumb animals, and unless we're reminded
Speaker 2: every single day not to touch the electric fence, we're
Speaker 2: going to touch the electric fence. And in this case,
Speaker 2: it looks like the National Security Advisor Mike Waltz touched
Speaker 2: the electric fence, and unfortunately all of the other people
Speaker 2: that were involved in this also leaned up against the
Speaker 2: electric fence, and yeah, there should be hell to pay.
Speaker 2: You cannot you cannot make a mistake like this and
Speaker 2: expect to keep your job.
Speaker 1: Here's my other question question with regard to this. Let's
Speaker 1: say that Jeffrey Goldberg is a Democrat. Let's say that
Speaker 1: he hates this Trump administration. He hates we're doing round
Speaker 1: two of this. He's embarrassed. He reflects the opinions of
Speaker 1: many Democrats in his country where they're just trying not
Speaker 1: to pay attention. But he's a journalist and he has
Speaker 1: to and he's embarrassed and oh my gosh, and they're
Speaker 1: all liars and they're awful people. Let's say that that
Speaker 1: is the case, and then he goes and sees that
Speaker 1: he's privy to this, that they're texting back and forth. This, Wow,
Speaker 1: another layer of embarrassment for America. Aren't you then doing yourself?
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know I'm going to get a
Speaker 2: heat for this about you know, journalism, and that's not
Speaker 2: what real journalists would do. Of course they go public
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: But aren't you just f youing your own country by
Speaker 1: unveiling another layer of embarrassment If that's how you feel.
Speaker 2: Well, and you mentioned that last seg and I was
Speaker 2: going to say, had this happened fifty years ago or
Speaker 2: sixty years ago, I mean, think of the think of
Speaker 2: the closeness with which a lot of reporters treated people
Speaker 2: like JFK or presidents even before that, they were members
Speaker 2: of a club, and the relationship may not have been
Speaker 2: as adversarial then as it is now. And whether it's
Speaker 2: specific parties that reporters don't like or what however, you
Speaker 2: want to couch that, but there were a lot of
Speaker 2: people who were willing to look the other way in
Speaker 2: those halls of power in Washington, DC, because the reporters
Speaker 2: also had a certain amount of power. Now they do now,
Speaker 2: but it's in a different it's kind of in a
Speaker 2: different vein.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if this is part of the problem of
Speaker 1: Trump f and ewing reporters his first administration, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he did not work to have the relationships
Speaker 1: with these people that you saw in prior administrations because
Speaker 1: they saw the leverage and and the the benefit of
Speaker 1: being nice to the reporters. You know, you wonder if
Speaker 1: that had something to do with it, because you're right,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of what's the what's the Latin from
Speaker 1: silence of the lambs quid pro quo. Sure you know
Speaker 1: you you hide this, I'll help you out down the road.
Speaker 1: I don't think Trump does that for a lot of reporters,
Speaker 1: certainly not for the Atlantic.
Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, he's on the defensive. He always
Speaker 2: believes they're out to get him, and I don't think
Speaker 2: he would trust him. We mentioned Mike Walls going on
Speaker 2: Fox News last night. This was him on the ingram
Speaker 2: Angle talking about he takes full responsibility for this fiat.
Speaker 1: So you don't know what staffer is responsible for this
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 5: Well, look, staffer wasn't responsible. And look I take full responsibility.
Speaker 5: I built the I built DA make sure everything's coordinated.
Speaker 2: But that's cute.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't mean to.
Speaker 2: Be pedantic here, but how did the number.
Speaker 5: Have you ever had? Have you ever had somebody's contact
Speaker 5: that shows their name and then you have an and
Speaker 5: then you have somebody else that mistakes right, You've got
Speaker 5: somebody else's number on someone else's contents.
Speaker 2: I didn't loser in the group. It looked like she
Speaker 2: was being sarcastic. I mean, that's the other that's the
Speaker 2: other aspect of this, And I think makes it.
Speaker 1: There's obviously not a staffer that is orchestrating this group chat.
Speaker 2: It's obviously actually Mike Waltz. But that's currently their explanation
Speaker 2: that it's a staffer that no, no, that it is
Speaker 2: the connection that Mike Waltz says he's never communicated with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg. The only person he knows, apparently in his
Speaker 2: office that this may have had a connection to, was
Speaker 2: somebody that now works for him, a staffer in the office.
Speaker 2: The President talked about it too. Listen, it's all going
Speaker 2: to be that they have to figure this out, and
Speaker 2: they have to be upfront about what they find out,
Speaker 2: not how the signal app works. No, No, you and
Speaker 2: I know that, but but it's one of those it's
Speaker 2: one that.
Speaker 1: Sounds like that sounds like a BS to the majority
Speaker 1: of the country that's not paying attention. It was a
Speaker 1: staffer's fault, right, They're the one that screwed up the
Speaker 1: chiron on the Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl r Right, it's some someone else's fault. We'll figure
Speaker 2: out who it is, that person will be dealt with,
Speaker 2: and we'll make sure that it never happens again. This
Speaker 2: happens in whatever administration is in power, they make a
Speaker 2: mistake and rather than coming forward and admitting it, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's doing at least the good job and saying the
Speaker 2: buck stops with me. He's not resigning, but he's at
Speaker 2: least saying, hey, it's mine. The cover up is always
Speaker 2: worse than the actual foible. I mean, whatever mistake you made,
Speaker 2: raise your hand loudly, whoa, guys, sorry, that's me. That's
Speaker 2: on me. I never should have done that, and then
Speaker 2: move on from it. Whether he loses his job or what.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's up to him and the president. But
Speaker 2: the idea that you would then say, ah, gosh, you
Speaker 2: know it could have been something as silly as you know,
Speaker 2: the staffer that communicated with Jeffrey Goldberg one time, that
Speaker 2: doesn't fly. I mean, you've got high excuse levels of government,
Speaker 2: the highest of National Security Council members involved in that thing,
Speaker 2: and no one has the national security mine to go, hey,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, who is JG Why Why isn't he
Speaker 2: adding anything to this conversation.
Speaker 1: Blaming someone else or coming up with excuses to me
Speaker 1: makes you seem so damn weak. Just say I screwed up.
Speaker 1: That comes with a lot of strength. In my book, Hey,
Speaker 1: I have a quick thing I need to do here.
Speaker 2: Oh with a drum roll, Yes, Oh, I have a
Speaker 2: friend who is retiring from your Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Speaker 2: Department today. Oh wow, thirty six years. What can we do? Where?
Speaker 2: Where is the party? A party? Is it a private location? Okay?
Speaker 2: But Joey Trimarky is can we send him a bottle
Speaker 2: of something? Sure? That's a great idea. Yeah, friend, you
Speaker 2: should have thought about that as a sergeant in the
Speaker 2: Major Crimes Bureau for the LA County Sheriff's Department. Is
Speaker 2: today is his last day?
Speaker 1: Wow? Excellent job, thirty six years of service. Give it
Speaker 1: up for Joey, Joe, thank you for your call him joe.
Speaker 2: I mean we call him Joey, but everybody knows him
Speaker 2: as joe Ah, joe trimark I'm met a guy at
Speaker 2: the blackjack table named Joey once. Did he take all
Speaker 2: your money?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: He wasn't the dealer. He was shady. He was like
Speaker 2: a classic Joey where he's into some stuff you don't
Speaker 2: even know about. But he's cool. You know, Joey's are
Speaker 2: always very cool. Joe's pretty straight. Lace you don't know
Speaker 2: that major crimes, Elie sheriff's barman. Come on, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean he may over. You've been snowed. But I
Speaker 2: congratulations to Joe on his retirement. Thirty six years.
Speaker 1: With the county Sheriff's Department's a long time, massive, It's
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a long time. What were you doing
Speaker 2: in Ny? You're probably making babies by then as a
Speaker 2: junior in high school. I don't know, not that I
Speaker 2: know of. I get a knock on the door later today,
Speaker 2: thirty four year old, and just based on my history,
Speaker 2: his name would be Joe. That's a good stuff, all right.
Speaker 2: Coming back, there's more pressure now on Greenland than there
Speaker 2: was just yesterday. And we talked about this trip of
Speaker 2: American officials to Greenland.
Speaker 1: But now they've scaled it back, so now everyone's happy.
Speaker 1: Like they've scaled back the trip. They were going to
Speaker 1: do a bunch of stuff and now they're just.
Speaker 2: Going to do Yea. Now the Vice president is going right.
Speaker 1: But like I think that's just so that he doesn't
Speaker 1: look like a little be sending his wife right.
Speaker 2: I thought it would have been better just to send
Speaker 2: his wife where she could be the kind of the
Speaker 2: soft well we'll talk about we come back.
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Speaker 1: The new DA of La County, Nathan Hawkman bringing back
Speaker 1: the death penalty to Los Angeles. It's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those symbolic moves, isn't it. It's like, there's no
Speaker 1: way California is going to execute anyone. But he did
Speaker 1: run on this topic, and so here it is.
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court has upheld a bite Administration gun regulation
Speaker 2: on so called ghost guns. It will require continued serial numbers,
Speaker 2: background checks, and age verifications for people to buy kits
Speaker 2: to build the ghost guns, which are usually privately made
Speaker 2: firearms without any serial numbers that allow police to trace
Speaker 2: weapons that are used in crime. The Court handed down
Speaker 2: it's seven to two opinion today seven to two unusual
Speaker 2: considering the current makeup of the of the courts. We
Speaker 2: were talking about the signal app Ofay.
Speaker 6: Guys, don't you think releasing the information first ball? It's passed,
Speaker 6: so it's not something that's going to happen that we're
Speaker 6: letting those secrets out. But the other thing is, don't
Speaker 6: you think the cabinet members of people involved in this
Speaker 6: need to have their toes held to the fire.
Speaker 2: Because this wasn't a big.
Speaker 6: Deal, but what are the next time?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 6: They should have their toes held.
Speaker 2: To the fire? Yeah, I mean I think they they're
Speaker 2: never going to do this again, But well, how do
Speaker 2: I agree? I agree?
Speaker 1: I think we should take one of that guy's toes
Speaker 1: Mike Waltz, Yeah, he's got to pay and then dress
Speaker 1: it up like a puppet.
Speaker 2: But now the toe puppet thing we need to revisit
Speaker 2: at some point because I think that's an infatuation that
Speaker 2: we haven't discussed deeply enough. But to what end? Yes,
Speaker 2: I agree their feet should be held to the fire.
Speaker 2: We should find a way to make sure that this
Speaker 2: never happens again. Do we ban the signal app from use?
Speaker 2: When whenever it comes to the National Security Council or
Speaker 2: or what they're going to communicable.
Speaker 1: They're going to communicate the way all of us communicate.
Speaker 1: They're going to text each other, and if signal is
Speaker 1: the safest way to do that, which it is probably,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a technical.
Speaker 2: Uh, A lot of agencies use the signal app exactly.
Speaker 1: I know people in law enforcement that use the Signal app.
Speaker 1: So to me, that means that they trust it enough
Speaker 1: to use it for private communication. So they're going to
Speaker 1: do that. Just be careful. Just don't be a dip
Speaker 1: mess about it, I guess, is the thing. Because they're
Speaker 1: not going to go back to pen to paper or
Speaker 1: typewriters or what have you. Like, there's not gonna They're
Speaker 1: not going to change the way they communicate, just like
Speaker 1: the way we're not going to change the way we communicate.
Speaker 1: But just don't Maybe maybe once once certain conversations reach
Speaker 1: a certain sensitive level, they should be held in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and part of the reason that this one
Speaker 2: wasn't at least the way they described it today was
Speaker 2: some of these people were out of the country at
Speaker 2: the time that the text chain was going around. That's
Speaker 2: always going to be the case because of the level
Speaker 2: of the of of cabinet members that we're talking about. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: is there a better way to do it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Should their feet be held to the fire because this
Speaker 2: was such an egregious mistake, Yeah, you can have it
Speaker 2: both ways.
Speaker 1: Democrats are calling for the resignations of Pete Hegseth and
Speaker 1: Mike Waltz, to which I say, why if you're a Democrat,
Speaker 1: let them flap around in the breeze for a while,
Speaker 1: you know, to let them take their hits on with
Speaker 1: the old Kenyata game.
Speaker 2: I get their their argument would be because those two
Speaker 2: guys in those two positions threaten national stoke.
Speaker 1: Again, be careful throwing stones people in Washington, because everyone
Speaker 1: is guilty of playing fast and loose with sensitive information,
Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans alike. Over the years we've been paying
Speaker 1: at ten.
Speaker 2: I want to point this out, not that I'm a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist, but remember the great big Epstein file release
Speaker 2: that we were going to get from the FBI and
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, Just saying.
Speaker 1: People still think if you follow the algorithm of the
Speaker 1: alt right on x, people still believe there's a big
Speaker 1: cover up and you're still going to find in the
Speaker 1: Epstein files Hillary Clinton trading pizza for children sex slaves.
Speaker 1: Like there's still a thought train of there's something that
Speaker 1: we're not knowing about the Epstein files. By the way,
Speaker 1: the Democrats are using this in their latest round of
Speaker 1: fundraising emails. Of course, anything to refresh the fundraising machine.
Speaker 2: Was it rama man, you will never let it go.
Speaker 2: Crisis go to waste. Was that him mohoves? I feel
Speaker 2: like that's much older than him. I'm sure it's much older.
Speaker 2: But in terms of politics and fundraising, I know that
Speaker 2: he has used it many who might be running for president.
Speaker 2: By the way, he's been coy about his plans in
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Winston Churchill, you're right. It's more
Speaker 1: recently associated with rom Emmanuel, who used it during the
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight financial crisis, but it's often tributed
Speaker 1: to Winston Churchill.
Speaker 2: Sounds soon, That sounds Churchillian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, particularly in his discussions about his post World War
Speaker 1: two vision for Europe.
Speaker 2: However, there's no hard evidence. Have you ever been to Greenland? Yes? No,
Speaker 2: you've been to Iceland?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Have you been to a land? Yes? Okay, in this case,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Greenland when we come back,
Speaker 2: and the plans for travel have changed. If I've been
Speaker 2: to a land, there's only two? I mean, are there more?
Speaker 2: I feel like Queensland? You ever been to Queensland? I
Speaker 2: don't think so. How about Newfoundland again? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: My gosh, there's so many lands too, so many places
Speaker 2: to travel. How this Greenland trip has changed over the
Speaker 2: course of twenty four hours and we come back.
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Speaker 2: A couple of other lands that I had forgotten to
Speaker 2: ask Shanna if she had visited Maryland, and we know
Speaker 2: she's been to Cleveland. So Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and
Speaker 2: other administration officials are now being sued because they used
Speaker 2: Signal the Signal app to discuss military plans to strike
Speaker 2: Hoo the targets in Yemen. American Oversight is this group.
Speaker 2: They allege in this lawsuit that the chat on the
Speaker 2: unclassified commercial app that mistakenly included an editor in chief
Speaker 2: of The Atlantic violated federal records loss. That is one
Speaker 2: of the other catches in all of this is you
Speaker 2: can set your app your messages to disappear at a
Speaker 2: certain time, and just about all of the people who
Speaker 2: were in that text chain outside of of course, the
Speaker 2: journalists are required by the government in many cases to
Speaker 2: retain their records, so that may be an issue that
Speaker 2: they have to deal with. This lawsuit was filed in
Speaker 2: d C in a federal court that names Pete Hegseth
Speaker 2: and other officials, including TELCA Gabbard d and I CIA
Speaker 2: director John Ratcliffe, Treasury Secretary of Scott Bessant, and Secretary
Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio revising a controversial mandate from his predecessor,
Speaker 2: La County DA Nathan Hofckman lifted the blanket band that
Speaker 2: barred prosecutors from going after the death penalty. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that coming up at the top of the hour,
Speaker 2: but we've been following the story out of Greenland. President
Speaker 2: Trump has said Greenland should be ours for geopolitical, geographic
Speaker 2: peace keeping reasons, and the Danes Denmark is in control
Speaker 2: of Greenland, and we have a military base there. I
Speaker 2: think we technically have a space force base there. So
Speaker 2: there was going to be a I don't know, diplomatic
Speaker 2: happy time kind of trip that was going to include
Speaker 2: Second Lady Usha Vance and the now embattled National Security
Speaker 2: Advisor Mike Waltz, who were going to go to Greenland
Speaker 2: for happy, fun time stuff. They were going to watch
Speaker 2: a dog race and eat Greenland.
Speaker 1: But it was under the backdrop of we want to
Speaker 1: take over Greenland.
Speaker 2: Right there's no there's no visit that any American official
Speaker 2: going to Greenland. There's nothing right now, that's just I
Speaker 2: just wanted to see what it's like. Green always got
Speaker 2: pretext exactly.
Speaker 1: They're like, you don't send officials of this level without
Speaker 1: it being an official visit.
Speaker 2: Well, now the itinerary has been toned down. It's been
Speaker 2: altered because the JD is now going to be escorting
Speaker 2: his wife. First, she's going to escort him.
Speaker 1: However they do that, the decision now will be that
Speaker 1: they are only visiting a US military base.
Speaker 2: Uh, They're going to do that US Space Force base
Speaker 2: that is housed there in Greenland. That's all they're going
Speaker 2: to do, because they said that that kind of a
Speaker 2: visit would be less inflammatory. You're going to like your
Speaker 2: own soil is hanging out with your own guys. Right
Speaker 2: At that point, the.
Speaker 1: Danish Foreign Minister Lars lok Rasmussen called the change a
Speaker 1: positive development and a sign that he says, the Americans
Speaker 1: have understood the resistance to the US overtures in Greenland.
Speaker 1: A lot of these people are saying, I am relieved.
Speaker 1: I don't mind if they visit their own military base,
Speaker 1: but canceling the tour to SYSTEMWUT is a right decision.
Speaker 2: When you said, have I been to Greenland?
Speaker 1: I was remembering my father in law had a flight
Speaker 1: diverted to Greenland and like a layover I think overnight
Speaker 1: in Greenland.
Speaker 2: Okay, that would make that would make sense. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, I don't know a lot of people who
Speaker 2: have gone to Greenland to go to Greenland, right, but
Speaker 2: they have had to stop through there. Yeah, And we
Speaker 2: mentioned obviously the context of if it was just Usha
Speaker 2: Vance going, that's one thing, because then it's sort of
Speaker 2: a good will visit and you're going to see visits
Speaker 2: from uh. I mean, I don't know, think Marco Rubio's wife,
Speaker 2: the wife of the Secretary of State, is going to
Speaker 2: visit some places. You're going to see the first lady Milania.
Speaker 2: I don't know where she's been.
Speaker 1: You're going to say, you're going to see them do
Speaker 1: things like pick out some local lace.
Speaker 2: You're going to see them do just good will things. Right.
Speaker 2: They're not they're not there, but but they're not there
Speaker 2: with an iron fists to say we want to acquire you. Well,
Speaker 2: the fact that the original plan included the National Security
Speaker 2: Advisor raised some eyebrows for the people in Greenland right.
Speaker 1: Again, and the poor people of Greenland, they're just living
Speaker 1: their ice lives. They're like, there's no roads in there's
Speaker 1: no roads in Greenland. You've got to get there with
Speaker 1: your ice helicopter and your ice boat and your ice
Speaker 1: things that you use with ice on things where there's
Speaker 1: no roads, And they're just living their lives out there
Speaker 1: and their furs this time of year that the animals
Speaker 1: that they have killed themselves and they're eating off the
Speaker 1: land all the carcasses that they killed.
Speaker 2: In the fall, and they're eating that now because it's winter.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm making all of this up because I'm only basing
Speaker 1: it on literary experiences I've had about people who live
Speaker 1: where it's eighty percent ice. But anyway, they're living their lives,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're like, now, what now,
Speaker 1: tell me again what America wants to take us over? What?
Speaker 2: Some like that is so like they have actual.
Speaker 1: Real concerns in a place like Greenland in terms of
Speaker 1: like living day to day. The idea that there's some
Speaker 1: sort of weird thought process in America that they want
Speaker 1: to take it over, it must be so foreign and
Speaker 1: so bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are some people in Greenland who
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, be careful what you wish for well,
Speaker 2: most of them probably they are wearing some of them
Speaker 2: are wearing shirts and caps that say make a Marria
Speaker 2: go away and Yankee go home, the old Yankee go home.
Speaker 2: Of course, what we've seen and some they've start staged
Speaker 2: some of the largest demonstrations ever seen in Greenland, which
Speaker 2: I don't know how big that is. There's what forty
Speaker 2: forty five thousand people the entire place.
Speaker 1: I'm also kind of having this feeling that we have
Speaker 1: sometimes when we talk about the school system in terms
Speaker 1: of like just focus on math and reading. I kind
Speaker 1: of want America to just focus on America right now.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want Canada, I don't want Greenland. Let's
Speaker 1: just focus on making us better right now. Is that
Speaker 1: too much to ask?
Speaker 2: That's not as that's very divisive. It's divisive. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: say it's divisive. I know everything's divisive.
Speaker 1: This this bottle of water, Oh damn divisive because no.
Speaker 2: Don't open it, because then you have to use it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to drink the water, and then what are
Speaker 2: you going to do with the plastic? I'm going to
Speaker 2: recycle it, doubt it not. Here they don't recycle here.
Speaker 2: It's such a scam. You've seen those. Now, where do
Speaker 2: you put up last? I think it's all a scam.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's I think it's seventy eight percent
Speaker 1: of scam recycling.
Speaker 2: And then there's the people that happen. I think my
Speaker 2: mom's got about seven trash bins up in northern California.
Speaker 2: Does she have one of them?
Speaker 1: I think they have her actually going to the toilet
Speaker 1: in one of them.
Speaker 2: Now for the earth La County DA's office. When we
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