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Speaker 1: I'm No.

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Speaker 2: One Pace from Warehall of South Carolina and I'll play

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at Olkony Country Club. Welcome to Golf Smarter. Hi.

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Speaker 1: This is sound apparel from Mount Elgan, Ontario, Canada, and

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I play at Oxford Hills Golf Club.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter number one and twenty six. This

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is a bit strange, but I understand the very basic

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correlation between sound and body movement. If I'm correct on this.

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He also presented a study done by Yale University confirming

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that there is a correlation between body movement and sound.

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The field is called soonification. When I see a body motion,

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I will hear a sound and so I will then

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make a sound pattern for this specific swing and I'll

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send it back to the client and he will right back.

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That's perfect. Helps me a lot, and so we're anchoring

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a very good swing. And then we have then also

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our online coaching and there we can then address a

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specific problem. In fifteen or less or less, a golfer

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could come with his instructor, the instructor of Tom. Hey,

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I want this person to turn here or whatever, and

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I'll give them a sound pattern for that.

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Speaker 1: Find your best tempo and rhythm to achieve a repeatable

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swing with Chai Chao of Audio Golf.

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Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 2: Chai, Thank you, Fred. It's an armed to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, it's great to have you on because this

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is going to be a fascinating topic. I've always had

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a thing about rhythm and tempo and trying to get

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that locked in, and you have developed a new program

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for putting that is all about tempo and rhythm.

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Speaker 2: Well, Fred, it's not just about putting. It's all aspects

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of the golf gig everything, bunker, bunker, you know, drives,

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short game everything. It's it's okay, it can be applied

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to everything.

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Speaker 1: Excellent, And let's just kind of dig into what we're

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talking about here, because this is going to be something

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that a lot of people, I think a lot of

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people don't understand the rhythm and tempo of a golf swing.

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We had talked many years ago, multiple times to a gentleman,

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John Novissel, who created the Tour Tempo Yes program, and

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I've always you know in my head, have had that

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rhythm in my head all the time. I grew up

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around music. I played music as a kid. I was

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a drummer. So my tempo, I can lock it in.

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I can lock my tempo in. Yes, So that's it's

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another reason why I was kind of excited to see

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about your program.

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Speaker 2: Right, So.

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Speaker 1: How did you get to create this program? What motivated this?

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Speaker 2: Well, if I'm going to go to the very beginning,

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it's actually a long story. Even take this out afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we've got time.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I grew up in Toronto in Canada, and I

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come from a family of doctors, and my mom maybe

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take pianole. Wasn't As a kid, I wasn't too hot

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on that, but when I was sixteen, I got intrigued

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by it and I said, okay, I want to try

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and maybe become a world class international concert pianist. So

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I left Toronto and I went to Germany. At the time,

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there was still West Germany and actually a major music

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academy there. And after about two months I made two

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discoveries that were a little bit disturbing. The first discovery

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I made was everybody at this academy was better trained

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than I was. Was one small How did you get away?

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Speaker 1: How did you get into the academy? Just like I

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want to play? I want to be a concert.

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Speaker 2: Well, I auditioned, of course, and they.

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Speaker 1: Took me to you had already been playing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I've never played it. I had taken pianists

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all since I was four, but I never really told

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it seriously. I wasn't really So when I was sixteen,

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went to Germany and I entered the academy, and I

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found out that first of all, everybody was better trained

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than I was. That was the first problem. And secondly,

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everybody was more talented than I was. Okay, there are

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two small problems there. And it wasn't just this academy,

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and we're not even talking about London, Paris, New York,

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Moscow and the rest of the world. So I realized

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immediately that even practicing seventy eight hours a day wasn't

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going to get me past these people. They were so

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far ahead of me, and they were practicing seventy hours

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a day. Two So I realized quickly I have only

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two alternative. I had two options one, I can quit

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and go back home. Okay, give up a dream of

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becoming a pianist, which my mom would have liked. She

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wanted me to become a doctor.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated.

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Speaker 2: And the second alternative I had option I had was

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I searched for and find a shortcut. Okay, I was desperate.

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It was basically, there has to be a way instead

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of practicing something technical for six weeks, seven weeks, there

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has to be a way to solve this problem, like

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in ten to fifteen minutes. Okay, now, Fred, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 1: I was there and I'm sure there was no internet

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at the time to go, how do I solve this

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problem in ten to fifteen minutes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well again, where did reality kick in?

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I started instead of this sort of mindless practicing,

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which by the way, as a musical first, I see

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this all the time, instead of practicing something and hoping

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that will get better, I began really carefully watching, observing

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myself when I made the mistake? Why do I make

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this mistake? And okay, anyway, so I was, I began

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looking for the shortcut. Okay, And anyway, four years later,

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I am twenty one, I win the first press at

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the Sydney International Piano Competition, I went first, congratulations, Well yes,

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what was at the time. Everybody is a little surprised,

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I must confess. And for me, this, this win in

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Sydney sort of set my career. In the arts business.

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nobody is expecting Leonardo DiCaprio to win every year, the

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best actor Oscar Nobody suspecting that. Again. You know, Novo

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check and you know and Rory and all these other

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people have to regularly win they stay stay on top.

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But in the arts business, and like I said, this

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one win got me the agent I mean, to become professor.

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I'm a recording country right, So that was it. So anyway, anyway,

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these shortcuts which I developed for myself and now as

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professor in a major academy in Austria, I passed this

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on to my students and it works. It works for them.

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I've got kids and all the major orchestras in Europe

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and they've got recording contracts. This works.

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Speaker 1: It's a wait a second, you skipped winning to being

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a professor at work?

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Speaker 2: Well yes, I mean with the wind of course, I

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got all these concerts, recording contracts, and then the university

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starts saying, hey, maybe we should get this guy to

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work for us. Yeah, okay, so this is very important.

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But the main thing is that this is all using shortcuts,

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so to speak, music shortcuts. And about ten years ago,

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just by coincidence, I was asked an athlete at the time,

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a marathon runner, if I could help it, and I said,

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I don't know anything about marathon running, but if you

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were a pianist or a violinist, if you wanted to

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play faster, I would give you this mental shortcut, okay,

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and we tested it. He first ran a kilomna, which

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three minutes twenty seconds, and I gave him the shortcut.

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runs back and it crosses the line and he tells

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me he's seventeen seconds faster. Yeah, that's significant, that's significant,

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And we were both just blown away. And that's how

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this all started. We started this project trying to understand

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how can shortcus from classical music help athletes. That's how

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this all started. That's I knew. And then in twenty eighteen,

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I was doing a running seminary in Berlin and after

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the seminary, this man comes up JJ. You've been in

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contact with him. JJ comes up to me and says, hey,

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with this work in golf, I don't know it, I guess,

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so it's worked with every other sport I've tried it on.

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So that's how we got it. I'm beinging golf since

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twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And what was it that you helped this golfer

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with initially? How did that get started? And what did

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you recognize?

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Speaker 2: JJ himself wasn't a golfer. He was just fascinated by

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the idea that we could applied this technique to golf,

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to golf, I see, so we and he made me

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tested on about hundreds of golfers, hundreds of problems, hundreds

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of issues, and we were I think able to fix

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all of them. And then he said, okay, let's get going.

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Let's get started, okay, And we started the company in

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Miami and came to the PGA Show in Orlando in

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twenty twenty and during good time to do.

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Speaker 1: It exactly, Oh my goodness, as already at the PGA

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show we were hearing about this cruise ship of San

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francisc School.

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Speaker 2: They weren't letting like into port because of some sort

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of sickness and some strange sickness that was you know,

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you know, on board. So we lost two years, Like

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we couldn't enter the US for about two years. So

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I've been here.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay. As we're recording this, I know you kind of

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made it clear that you're not a huge sports person.

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But as we're recording this, the Toronto Blue Jays have

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just gone ahead of the LA Dodgers three games to two.

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sorry you were laya bet on this. I'm I'm I'm

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Michelle Hey, Tony fan, not a Nudge fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So so let's let's get to figuring out how you

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decided that this could be a program that will work

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for every offer.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there's one very important thing. I mean,

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like I said, the system is based. Okay. It's a

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rhythm based training that uses sound phrases okay, okay to

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help golfers improve their core fundamentals like for more consistent swings,

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speed control, and putting, increased cliphead speed in driving everything,

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and not only that, we can incorporate these into these phrases,

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things like how to do the weight shift, when to

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do the weight shift, how to turn more? Okay, everything

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can be incorporated into these sound phrases. It's that simple.

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Speaker 1: We need to figure out the best way to introduce

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this program that you've developed because we want people to

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get access to it. And it's a very very easy

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access to this program through the website and you just

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load it up on your phone and it takes care

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of itself from that point on. And we'll talk more

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about it. But let's talk about what the program does.

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Can you walk us through the start of this and

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again I don't want you to give away everything here

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on this podcast because we want people to look into

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this program, but let's talk about the introduction to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the program is based on we have courses that

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you can purchase online and they guide you through fighting distances,

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to the short game for the drive, club heading, drive stability,

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and then clubhead increase. There's all kinds of things that

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are there. Those are the course that you can buy

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and we have another part of the program for I

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would say better better golfers with a fifteen handicap and

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less who are where you can then upload a video

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and say, for example, I get this a lot from

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very good golfers. Uh, they say, this is a perfect

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a three quarter swing, a short game, a pitch, but

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under pressure in a tournament, this screws up completely. Okay,

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I get confused, I get too fast or whatever. And

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can you tell me the sound pattern you're hearing when

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I do this? Okay? And this is the thing, Fred

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is a bit strange. But when I see in sports

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a body motion, emotion, any motion, I will hear a sound.

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It's a kind of a weird thing. And so that

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I will then make a sound pattern for this specific

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swing and I'll send it back to the client and

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he will right back or she'll write back, that's great,

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it's perfect. Helps me a lot. And so we're anchoring,

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so to speak, a very good sway. And then we

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and there we can then address a specific problem. Very

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good golfer will come and book a session and we'll

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solve the problem in fifteen minutes or less. And or

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or less, a golfer can come with his instructor, So

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the two of them and the instructor of Tom. Hey,

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I want this person to do this. I want him

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to turn here or whatever, and I'll give them a

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sound pattern for that.

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Speaker 1: When I mentioned John Novasel on Tour Tempo earlier, you

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nodded as if to say, yeah, of course, of course,

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so you are familiar with his work.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, okay, So.

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Speaker 1: How much research did you do? You know, looking back

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on this issue, and we're going to stay with golf,

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not other sports versus just trusting your gut doing what

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you did for music, I can do this for sports

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and we'll just let it rip from there.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, when I first started out, I was with

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this with this marathon runner. We were both completely astounded

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that this would work. And again it wasn't so much

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that I'm like, in within two minutes, I'm giving you

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a bigger must muscle mass. It's all in your head.

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ideas about and knowledge about nutrition, about you know, biomechanics

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and all kinds of things, I think in a way,

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the brain is the last frontier mm.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, theology. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. So did you alter

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once you started doing this research behind it. Did you

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start altering what you were doing or you just trusted

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yourself and what you've developed?

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Speaker 2: Well, I kept I trusted myself how we developed, because

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how can I say it? I don't know anything else

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then expactly that's what it is, the music. And and

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like I said, I think there's one thing I do understand.

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I understand the very basic correlation between sound and body movement.

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There is a correlation. It's been it's been studied in

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scientifically by by many scientists and enough papers on this.

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The field is called soonification. And I think if I'm not,

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if I'm not, if I'm correct on this, I think

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mister Novicell for a recent tour Tempo intro rollout, he

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also presented a study down by Yale University, Okay, confirming

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that there is there is a connect between body movement

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yes, And it was Yale University last time we

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spoke to him, when he talked about that his research

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had all been confirmed by a college study. So that

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was amazing. All right, let's let's start talking about what

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it is now and how to do it and just

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if the introduction. If you can run through your introduction

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on this, I would love to hear more.

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Speaker 2: Well again, I mean, like I said, Fred, as you

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party guessed, the idea is so out of the box,

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it's so crazy that it's it's at the beginning was

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difficult for us to get people to just even listen

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to us.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: I remember, you know, preparing our twenty twenty trip, I

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was calling you know, golf clubs and talking to you know,

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senior instructors, head of instruction. Yes, I've got this idea

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about controlling golf swings you see sound And the basic

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response was I don't need that, okay. So and eventually,

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with by time, after getting getting like meetings with Brad

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Faxon and Mark Indelman and others, okay, we finally were

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able to get testimonials and and you know, endorsements that

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were substantial, substantial. So we're we're we're much better. It's

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it's getting easier, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your your your testimonials are very impressive.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. So again, it's like I said,

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we know this. We know that most people think this

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is crazy, it's some kind of scam. Trust trust me,

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it's not. And but but we want to make the

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threshold as low as possible for people who are skeptical.

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And by the way, I love convincing skeptics. That's the

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most fun of all. Okay, And if you're skeptical, then

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the easiest thing to get convinced, I think, I hope,

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is just to visit our website howdiot dot golf and

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take the two free tests that are on there. Okay,

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catch it and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I pay me. Skeptical, let's go here, go you

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got it. You've got my attention. Now you need to

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make it work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I can, especially if it's.

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Speaker 1: A free test. You can do that right now too.

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Speaker 2: You could, Yes, I can do it right now too.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: One of the things is, like I'm saying, the basic

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idea in audio golf is that there's a connect between

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a special specific movement okay, beat the twenty foot part

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or a forty yard pitch and a sound. Okay. So

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I'm going to give you an example now that actually

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comes from actually tennis, but that's not important right now.

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I want you to put your hand in front of

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your chest or twenty inches in front of your chest,

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with your palm facing towards your chest and pull it

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gently towards yourself like this. Okay, okay, that's it, gently

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towards yourself gently.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm only doing so people can hear it. That's

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so from my for my outstretched hand too, Yes, to

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your chest to touch at hand too, like this?

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Speaker 2: All right? So that's how long it take when I

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hear when I see somebody doing this, I hear the sound. Mum,

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So I want you to say a'm and do the movement? Yeah?

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Huh so? Was that hard? Was that hard to learn?

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Speaker 1: No? Was a quick study on this one. Do I

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get an a professor?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Now I say I claim these two, this motion

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and this sound are connected. Okay. Now I want you

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to prove me. Prove to me, and and by the way,

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prove to your whole audience that I'm full of it.

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And I want you to show me that you can

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say am, but do the exact opposite motion. Okay. Instead

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of soft towards you, I want you to take your

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hand near your chest and rip it away very quickly,

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but saying at the same time, huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, hang on, I'm gonna do this here.

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I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. You've changed the sound. You've gone from arm

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to arm.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're right, I have.

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Speaker 2: I want you to say it sound correctly, but do

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the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: Right, is that am relaxed right with my hand. Yeah,

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it's really difficult to do. Yeah. I can't do them

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together either.

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Speaker 2: No, nobody can. I've been doing this for for like

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eight nine years now. Nobody can do it. It can't

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be done. Okay, And this is really fascinating because, and

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this is what's really fascinating about this. The sound is

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so powerful. Okay, this sound is so perfect. You can't

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ignore it. Okay, And you can't consciously override it, because

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if you could, you could do it, you could say

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I'm and just rip it. But nobody can do it.

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How do you change the sound? Like, in half the

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cases people change the sound, you'll go M instead of

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at the very beginning, you were sort of frozen. You

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couldn't your brain wouldn't let you do it. It's a

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weird feeling, by the way, it's a weird. I see

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this all the time. People are sort of like frozen

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and their brains just they can't move their hand, they

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can't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Previously on Gulf Smarter, Fred was stuck it. I'm still

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trying to even during our break here, I'm still trying to.

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Speaker 2: Can't be done. I've never had anybody who can do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, then why am I trying so hard? No

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needs to do that, all right? So what's the correlation here?

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What are you teaching me? Now that I know that

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I can do it from out to my Chi said

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it at an easy pace, but I can't do the reverse.

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How's this helping?

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Speaker 2: Well? Again, the basic idea behind it is that once

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you hit the sound and you let your let your

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brain follow the sound, Okay, then basically, once you've connected

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a sound specific motion the motion, the movement will happen

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every time insistently. Okay. That's the basic idea, okay, And

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we've tested it, and like I said, if you want,

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one of the most one of the giveaways we haven't

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in our course of course, is the fifteen foot put sound.

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The Yalla band, which is basically you call yala and

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when just commonly say yala, and when the sound stops,

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lost stops the sound. If your voice stops, your potter stops.

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Speaker 1: So your backstroke is ya la and you pull the

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club away at the beginning of yeah, so it's yala perfect,

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and you're you're end of your backstroke at at the

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end of ya la.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and then bam b and bam. Is the

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actual strike the putt.

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Speaker 1: It's when okay, when you make contact. So that's so

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you start you start your forward swing after ya la

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exactly bam, yes, yaa bam okay, right, okay, yeah, I'm

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missing something.

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Speaker 2: No, but I just saw something number right now, Fred,

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because you spoke about that, you are probably a bit

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further than it's intended. Okay, there's there's a there's a

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rhythm built in there as well, okay. And if you

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listen carefully, it's yaala bam yea la. So it's yalla

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la bam.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Okay, okay, And that's it. And basically it's

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it's it's it's very simple because for example, we've tested it,

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most people get around fifteen feet apart this on a

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flat middle fast green stemmed nine or ten, not uphill,

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not downhill, but on a flat green and uh and

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some people will get seventeen feet, some people will get

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fourteen feet. But the main thing is that it's consistent. Right,

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that's the main thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're looking for, is a consistent distance

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with y'a llabam.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Well, let's put it this way. That's that's imagine.

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I don't think it exists. But you know they have

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in tennis, like they have these machine that throw a

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serve at you. Yeah, okay, so I don't think it exists,

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but I think don's imagine, but there was a putting machine.

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You put it on the green, and there's a striking

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plate and you can dial it in to hit the ball.

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Let's say four point two miles an hour. Okay, dial

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it in, and the plate hits the ball every time

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four point two miles an hour. So we would actually

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assume that the ball will draw out every time at

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the same distance, am I right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I would think so right.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's the well if it's the same green,

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of course, and whatever. Yeah right right, okay, So basically

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I can get our clients, I can get anybody to

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put four point two miles an hour. I know it

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sounds crazy, but basically, what is how is velocity calculated?

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It's overcoming a certain distance in a certain time. So

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in your case, if you're going back whatever fourteen inches

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and you're covering fourteen inches every time in zero point

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three seven seconds, your CLUBTSP, it's going to be the

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same plus minus. We're humans, right, okay. So basically that's this.

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There's there's yallow bam. There's no voodoo, there's no esoteric

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you know stuff involved. It's just there's science. But it's

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of course okay.

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Speaker 1: And now, so this program is not just for putting.

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Speaker 2: No, No, the program.

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Speaker 1: And yallabam is just for one distance, correct. We just

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use it for that. You just lock it in for

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that one distance. You don't use it for short putts.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is the I think what's what makes it

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very interesting. There are other methods. There are other rhythm

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methods who say that, for example, three to one, for example,

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can be used in all kinds of things. Again, I

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think it's Yallabam. By the way, if you've noticed, if

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you're an observer I'm sure have been, you'll notice that

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the Yalabam there's a two to one racial built in

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two to one tempo Racio okay, okay. Now the question

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is perhaps with you ya la, you'll take it back

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fourteen inches. Maybe somebody will only take back eleven inches okay.

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But the thing is this person will do this or

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should do this every time the same okay. So it's

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like we think like medicine. If I get a headache,

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I take one, you know Thailand all, I take one,

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but maybe you need too and for the efficacy. So

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that's basically how this works. And for yallabam is like

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the fifteen foot pot sound, And if we're doing like

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a fifty foot put sound, it will be a different

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sound pattern, it will be different.

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Speaker 1: And how many sound patterns do you provide?

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Speaker 2: Well, basically, if somebody was interested in and you know,

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doing everything we're talking about twenty to twenty five okay, okay, And.

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Speaker 1: It covers not just putting, it covers all different starts game.

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Speaker 2: We've got a sound for three quarter swing, a half swing, driver, bunker,

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everything and those just.

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Speaker 1: And is it all on the two to one ratio?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no it's not. Well, I'll tell you a

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very personal story I was I was able to I

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had the honor meeting Brad faxon about three years ago

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and uh, you know, he set us meet up and

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he wanted to hear what I was doing. And and

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one of the first things I had to ask him,

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I said, Brad, it's I know it's too early, but

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everybody talks about you know, the PJA putting ratio. Is

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every all the pros pot two to one. Okay, that's

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that's the that's the mantra. That has to me two

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to one. And but I said, Brad, if you've got

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a good player, it's a good putter and he's putting

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two point two to one, or he's putting one point

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eight five to one, are you going to change that?

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And he said, of course not okay, Like you know,

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if it's if it's not broken, don't fix it. So basically,

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this two to one is just a guideline. I would

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even say with Tour Temple it's it's a guide. But

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the question is that I've seen I've even seen the

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machines in like in Germany where if they if you're

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putting and it's not two to one, these red lights

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will go on and it has to be it has

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to be two to one. That's getting you two to one.

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I don't necessarily see the point in that, and and

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I'd like to see somebody do a sixty foot putt

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using two to one. I find that very very difficult.

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Speaker 1: So how effective are all the different rhythms tempos that

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you provide? Have you found that some work better than

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others or consistently across the board they're working? Well? Where

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do you find your sweet spot?

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Speaker 2: Well, we find uh at the beginning, At the beginning,

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we find that the putting sounds are being more effective.

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I think there are My guess is there there are

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less technical issues there? Okay, then with a bunker sounds, yes,

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the mechanics. That's why we recommend that if you're going

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to do audio golf. Of course we'd like to have everybody,

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but we find it more effective if you're a good amateur,

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are a good player and this, uh, this, then they're

522
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less technical issues, mechanical issues okay, and just just working

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on rhythm and temple to get it, you know, consistent.

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So that's why we find that very effective. But even

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good beginners can start with putting and they will benefit

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to as well.

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Speaker 1: What if a person is not I don't want to

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say musically inclined, but rhythmly rhythmically inclined. I mean, I

529
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mean you see people out on the dance floor who

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don't have a clue of one, two, three, four, yes, right.

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And you'll see people clapping at a concert who just

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00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,680
like what what what are you listening to? This is

533
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,319
how how did you get your hands to do that?

534
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That far off? What happens to people like that who

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have that kind of a challenge.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, what happens is, Uh, I've been in the

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seven years I've been teaching doing these courses, I've only

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sent one person home or in the middle of a lesson.

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Speaker 1: You need to know more about that. But why did

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you send them homent?

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Speaker 2: Well, because how we were giving in sound patterns. I

542
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was even some he just couldn't implement it, okay. For example,

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I'm going to ask you Fred to clap her hands

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together and and say ka simultanz co ca okay. So

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this guy, okay, he couldn't do it. He would do

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cop no, no, no, no no together ca no no,

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you have to say cap earlier. Oh of course I

548
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get it, cop okay. Oh my god, no, it was

549
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it was just that off okay. And I said, if

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you can't even do that, I won't take your money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please go home. Okay, So, anybody who's listening right now,

552
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if you're listening right now, if you can, if you

553
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,720
can call with us, if you can caf with us,

554
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then keep listening. So, because now I want to get

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into the details of we're at Audio dot Golf is

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the website and audio Golf is the app, and it's

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available for both iOS and Android.

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Speaker 2: Correct, there's no app, right, there's no it's okay, it's

559
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just the way it's all done on the website. Yes,

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we also audio dot Golf Instagram. You can find us

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there too, but there's no app yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, but on Instagram, it's just it's not the program,

563
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,519
it's just showcasing what it is. So to get the program, Yes,

564
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,079
it's it's all at audio dot golf. Yes, what what

565
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are the costs and what do you receive?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have we have courses. They're online now I

567
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think putting driver. I don't know all of them from

568
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memory right now, and they're all available for ninety nine dollars.

569
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You get all these courses three sounds. But it's not

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just the sound pattern. There is a system behind it

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and get you get the instructions, you get the drills,

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00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,199
you have what do you call it? Common mistakes are

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addressed and anybody who has had a difficulty can write

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to us and you'll get support. So there is follow

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up with it as well as a follow up for everybody.

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Speaker 1: And the ninety nine dollars is a one time fee.

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Speaker 2: It's a one time fee for one course. Okay, for

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one course. And in the if you do the two

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tests that are online on the website and you decide

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00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,199
you want to try the intro course the first we

581
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,599
have a special offer right now, twenty nine dollars. That's

582
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:05,840
a normal, regular, medium pot course has everything else that

583
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,079
all the other courses have as well, and this course

584
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,760
comes with one hundred percent money back guarantee. Okay, this one,

585
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,960
this specific course, this intro course comes to the money

586
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,119
back guarantee. So basically, if you do the first two

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00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,239
tests and you say, hey, this could work for me,

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and you find you purchase the twenty nine dollar course

589
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,199
and you're disappointed, no problems, okay, we want to make

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a third should as low as possible. And then with

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the so called online trainings, okay, if you come in

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and book a fifteen minute lesson with me, okay, again,

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this is completely different than from any golf lesson you've

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probably ever had. It's only fifteen minutes, and we guarantee

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00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,239
you here one hundred percent money back, guarantee I solve

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00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,320
the problem in fifteen minutes. I'll find a solution for

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00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,119
your problem. You'll get a sound an audio loop, okay,

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00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,920
I'll record for you, send it to you, and also

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00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:10,119
follow up for thirty days, and you get also all

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the you know frequently ask questions and yeah, and like

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I said, it's very very effective. All the other courses

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00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,480
are ninety nine dollars and the one on one session

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00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,079
online is one hundred and twenty five for fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I know people say this is insane one hundred and

606
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,039
twenty five dollars or fifteen minutes. Yes, but like I said,

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00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:38,000
if I don't fix the problem, we'll send your money back.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Fred, I've always solved the problem.

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That's how sure we are about.

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Speaker 1: This, all right, So it's definitely worth it, unless, of course,

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00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,960
you can't dance. If you can't dance, don't, don't don't

613
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:58,800
try it because it's so well. This has been fascinating.

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I really appreciate your time I'm chy and I just

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love how you got here, and it just proves to

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00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,559
me once again that you don't have to be an

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instructor in golf to give good golf instruction, and I

618
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think that's what we've been trying to do here for

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twenty years on golf SMO. Yes, yeah, thank you so much.

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Great talking to you and in best of luck with

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the program.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Frand, it was great to be here. Take care,