Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand.
Speaker 2: Joshua, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: My lord, Hello, I have been a student of yours
Speaker 1: for forty years, and I have one question for you.
Speaker 3: There's one thing that challenges my pay and that is
Speaker 3: the suffering of the innocent.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, that that weighs on a lot of people, obviously,
Speaker 4: But tooth academically, it's it's easier to look at and
Speaker 4: I know that when you're going through pain, or when
Speaker 4: you see a child dying or something like this, that
Speaker 4: it becomes a whole different question with emotions involved.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking.
Speaker 4: Strictly, strictly with scripture, there is no one innocent. For one,
Speaker 4: there's no such thing as an innocent. Scripture says that
Speaker 4: all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 4: It doesn't say everyone except this group or everyone that
Speaker 4: group now innocent by human standards. Becomes kind of contest
Speaker 4: of well, I'm not as bad as that person, so
Speaker 4: it stops being innocent, and it's it, it starts being
Speaker 4: well less guilty than the last person. Now, having said that,
Speaker 4: that's theologically and academically looking at you know what innocence is. Uh,
Speaker 4: And there's oftentimes and you may have heard this on
Speaker 4: the program that if you go and you listen to
Speaker 4: the program, you'll hear people call up and say, well,
Speaker 4: this happened to me, and why bad things keep happening
Speaker 4: to me? And you spend enough time and you start
Speaker 4: to unravel them, and.
Speaker 2: You'll see where.
Speaker 4: Where you play a larger part and the things that
Speaker 4: go on in your life than you think. Now everybody
Speaker 4: blames God, but really you you sit there and drink
Speaker 4: broken glass and then complain to God that you have
Speaker 4: blood in your stool, there's an issue. It's really Uh,
Speaker 4: it's really about the things that you do in your
Speaker 4: life as well as being in a world with others
Speaker 4: that do wrong. So you can, for instance, be a
Speaker 4: wonderful driver and you know, play by the rules, and
Speaker 4: someone else can drink and t bone you when you're
Speaker 4: in an intersection and cause harm or death. So what
Speaker 4: you do in this life reflects on others as well. Now,
Speaker 4: all of those things are really by human standards. When
Speaker 4: people say, well it's not fair or how can bad
Speaker 4: things happen? Well, really, the concept of bad is defined
Speaker 4: by what has to be defined outside of just what
Speaker 4: your desire of good and bad is, because it has
Speaker 4: to be bigger than that. There are some people that
Speaker 4: think that it's okay to harm children. Well, it's not
Speaker 4: okay to harm children. Why because God says it's not
Speaker 4: okay to harm children. And there needs to be a
Speaker 4: transcendent law giver that's above all those things to begin with,
Speaker 4: from what you can even judge what good and bad is.
Speaker 4: So these standards that you're using, in one sense, are
Speaker 4: God's standards. You're saying this is right or this is wrong,
Speaker 4: and the bad things are happening. But also God says
Speaker 4: that there are times where there are things in your
Speaker 4: life that you may think are bad. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of things that come with pain in life. The hedonistic
Speaker 4: belief system was that that which felt good was good
Speaker 4: and that which felt bad was bad. But you know
Speaker 4: in this world that not everything that feels bad is
Speaker 4: bad and not everything that feels good is good. So
Speaker 4: you start looking at the standard differently and how it
Speaker 4: plays a part in your life. You know, the sweat
Speaker 4: of your brow when you're working could be tiresome or painful,
Speaker 4: but it's productive and helpful.
Speaker 2: Saying if you work out.
Speaker 4: When you work out, you're actually tearing your muscles apart
Speaker 4: and letting them grow back together. It feels like destruction.
Speaker 4: And there's all kinds of things in your life that
Speaker 4: don't feel good or may seem bad that aren't. Now
Speaker 4: when truly horrible things happen, everyone looks at the person
Speaker 4: that they perceive to be innocent and says, this person
Speaker 4: didn't deserve it. However, you need to look at the
Speaker 4: other person that's causing it or the other things that
Speaker 4: are going on, to see what decisions were made there
Speaker 4: in inflicting that on someone else. If everyone went by
Speaker 4: the will of God, there wouldn't be any of those.
Speaker 4: Sure there would be hurricanes, there would be earthquakes and
Speaker 4: things like that, but those still have ecological purpose on
Speaker 4: this earth. What doesn't have ecological purpose is creating higher towers,
Speaker 4: or living closer together, or all kinds of things that
Speaker 4: actually cause problems and not just necessarily natural disasters. So
Speaker 4: really it's about understanding that this is not the best world,
Speaker 4: but the best way to the best possible world, which
Speaker 4: is Heaven. Terry, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Hi. I have a life situation going on
Speaker 5: right now, what's going on? I have a sixty five
Speaker 5: year old sister who's been alcoholics since were teenagers. She
Speaker 5: married mid thirties to an alcoholic. He's now mid seventies,
Speaker 5: just getting out of detox today. Actually, they had twin
Speaker 5: girls who are now twenty eight. Both of them are alcoholics.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, they're also down and out. Okay, my husband
Speaker 5: and I just hear a little history. Took these girls
Speaker 5: in when they were three. These guys got them back
Speaker 5: when they were ten, so that was just holy help. Anyway,
Speaker 5: my sister's on her deathbed now and the girls, of course,
Speaker 5: are devastated, and she's my rock. I mean, it's just far.
Speaker 5: But my question to you is you are all forgiving? Correct?
Speaker 5: Do you take her to heaven? And my other question
Speaker 5: is these girls, one of them can't walk and refusing
Speaker 5: all medical treatment and I mean we even got her
Speaker 5: into the ear with the doctor. Bottom line, she refused
Speaker 5: any test. So I feel completely helpless with them. So
Speaker 5: between those two questions, maybe you can help me.
Speaker 4: Wow, well, there's a lot going on there. That is
Speaker 4: the death depending death of your sister involved. Is the
Speaker 4: alcohol involved in that?
Speaker 1: Oh yes?
Speaker 5: Completely? Heart attack? Several struggles. Now she's just emaciated completely well,
Speaker 5: a wheelchair bound for the last three years, but drank
Speaker 5: until the day she went. As far as I.
Speaker 4: Know, as far as forgiveness, God forgives all, but only
Speaker 4: reconciles with those that reconcile with God. So there is
Speaker 4: a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. You can forgive somebody,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean you reconcile. You can forgive something
Speaker 4: that does somebody something horrible to you, doesn't mean you
Speaker 4: let them back into your home. Forgiveness is for you,
Speaker 4: not for the person you're forgiving.
Speaker 3: So in.
Speaker 4: You know, human human case, in God's case, God forgives
Speaker 4: because it's righteous and just to those that ask.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to.
Speaker 4: Her, you know final place is she going to be
Speaker 4: in heaven? That depends on where her heart is and
Speaker 4: if she's received me in her life. And it's not
Speaker 4: if you're asking, does somebody in the state of sin.
Speaker 2: Not go to heaven?
Speaker 4: Well, everybody is in a state of some kind of
Speaker 4: sin when they die, So it's a matter of where
Speaker 4: they are in their life and their heart specifically, not
Speaker 4: just the circumstances or the things they've brought on and
Speaker 4: God judges those things in context, and it's not some
Speaker 4: sort of, you know, some sort of gray scale where
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm sorry, if you just rank you know,
Speaker 4: this much less you'd get in. It's not about that.
Speaker 4: It's about where someone's heart is and have they received
Speaker 4: And in this particular case, when it comes to addiction,
Speaker 4: it's not the traditional act of rebellion where somebody can
Speaker 4: stop and doesn't. This is something that has a foothold.
Speaker 4: It's given the enemy a foothold. So first and foremost
Speaker 4: you have to not you have to trust God for that.
Speaker 4: Continue to pray, pray with her, to be available to her,
Speaker 4: and to ask her outright if you'd like and say,
Speaker 4: you know, where's your heart with God? If you'd like
Speaker 4: to get her better equipped for that. As far as
Speaker 4: the children are concerned, if they're in a state where
Speaker 4: everyone in their life, in their immediate family is in
Speaker 4: this state of you know, disrepair, completely falling apart due
Speaker 4: to alcohol, and they still don't see a need for it,
Speaker 4: they're going to be a tough nut to crack to
Speaker 4: try and get them to see their need for help.
Speaker 4: The best thing you can do in times like that
Speaker 4: is just not be a negative support, and that is
Speaker 4: somebody who just in your desire to show love to
Speaker 4: family members or loved ones when they're going through things.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people do the wrong things.
Speaker 4: They give them money when they shouldn't be giving them money,
Speaker 4: or sometimes even giving them shelter when they don't need shelter,
Speaker 4: because really they're just using it as a place of
Speaker 4: stops in between doing what they're doing. So it becomes
Speaker 4: difficult for you to weed out terry and to kind
Speaker 4: of filter as to what is the best thing to
Speaker 4: do and how you can help them, but never do
Speaker 4: anything that would perpetuate their illness or somehow.
Speaker 2: Continue them down that path.
Speaker 4: You have to do things that are going to keep
Speaker 4: them away or direct them away from those things, and that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be difficult. Sherry, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi,
Speaker 2: Jesus Hi.
Speaker 3: I have a question about the practice of shamanism. Is
Speaker 3: that mutually exclusive to Christianity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Shamanism and Christianity in their purest forms not mix.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately a lot of times people adhere to certain
Speaker 4: things and then they become Christians and well they're new Christians,
Speaker 4: they kind of continue to do everything they were doing anyways,
Speaker 4: but call themselves Christians, and so throughout the centuries, actually
Speaker 4: this has taken place and created whole new belief systems
Speaker 4: because people kind of were either forced to be Christians
Speaker 4: or socially were Christians or whatever, and they adapt all
Speaker 4: these other things. Well, the Shamanism takes many different forms,
Speaker 4: way too many for us to actually get into any
Speaker 4: real detail on the program, but they adhere to some
Speaker 4: things that absolutely would be Christian healing. You know, doing
Speaker 4: spiritual healings is not opposed to Christianity or vice versa.
Speaker 4: Shamans believe they can communicate with the spirit world Christians
Speaker 4: can pray to God. So there might be similarities where
Speaker 4: people would go, Oh, they don't really contradict. The shaman
Speaker 4: believes in the supernatural, believes all these things. But they
Speaker 4: also deal with images of animals, dealing with omens and
Speaker 4: spirit guides and all these things. They deal with trances,
Speaker 4: putting people into trances for all kinds of reasons, or
Speaker 4: these vision quest type things that would completely contradict stuff
Speaker 4: that takes place in scripture or what scripture calls you
Speaker 4: to do. Is there some reason this pops up in
Speaker 4: your life?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm an anthropology student and I have an interest
Speaker 3: in shamanism, and as far as trances go, I'm also
Speaker 3: a massage therapist, and so I'm really interested in the
Speaker 3: healing arts, the healing aspects of shamanism. And when I
Speaker 3: think when people when you give massages, it induces a
Speaker 3: trans white state for a somatic therapy.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're you're kind of stretching, because one could be
Speaker 4: an actual physiological response to what's going on and where
Speaker 4: shamanism is talking specifically, and sometimes even using drugs or
Speaker 4: what Scripture refers to as sorcery translates from the word
Speaker 4: pharmacia in the Greek. It actually means it's where you
Speaker 4: get the word pharmacy. Now, a lot of the sorcery
Speaker 4: or those types of vision quest things in Scripture were
Speaker 4: provoked by the use of drugs and stimulants, different than
Speaker 4: a physical reaction to being put in a RESTful state.
Speaker 4: Because Scripture also talks about proper meditation as well. So
Speaker 4: there's times of meditation, or there's times with connecting with
Speaker 4: God or spiritual things, fasting, prayer, all these things. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll put to you this way. For the lack of time,
Speaker 4: is that there's going to be similarities in things, but
Speaker 4: it doesn't make them compatible. For instance, in logic, they
Speaker 4: call this category informal logical fallacies when things don't mix
Speaker 4: right logically. For instance, all cops carry guns. Does that
Speaker 4: mean that everyone that carries a gun is a cop.
Speaker 2: No. So, although there's going.
Speaker 4: To be similarities between Shamanism and Christianity, and there are
Speaker 4: spiritual aspects to the both of them, and there's good things,
Speaker 4: and there's healing, there's things like that, they aren't really compatible.
Speaker 4: There are similarities and in part of the quests and
Speaker 4: some of the attributes, but they ultimately in their truest form,
Speaker 4: do not mix. One is going to be watered down
Speaker 4: or changed completely for you to be able to interchange them.
Speaker 4: Shamanism is I think it's wonderful that you're studying it,
Speaker 4: and as an anthropology student, I think it's a fascinating study.
Speaker 4: But it as far as melding completely with Christianity or
Speaker 4: your Christianity, it doesn't work that way. And I know
Speaker 4: that in this takes place a lot in school. This
Speaker 4: is one of the important things about going to college,
Speaker 4: and going to school is exciting diffferent parts of your
Speaker 4: interests and curiosities. But what ends up happening is if
Speaker 4: something becomes sexy or interesting and people try and cram
Speaker 4: it into their belief system, and that doesn't always work.
Speaker 2: There are some things, like.
Speaker 4: You know, that you could practice that wouldn't cause a problem,
Speaker 4: but something like this in its truest form, absolutely would. Flora,
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Hi.
Speaker 2: How can I help you?
Speaker 5: I have a.
Speaker 6: Dilemma with a family situation. I have a nineteen year
Speaker 6: old who has a friend that I'm not very I
Speaker 6: don't want to be judgmental, but I don't feel he's
Speaker 6: a good influence on my son, and it situation is
Speaker 6: getting awkward.
Speaker 4: Okay, well tell me about the kid.
Speaker 2: Why don't you like the kid?
Speaker 6: Okay, about twenty three years old. He's been incarcerated twice.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what the first time was for, but
Speaker 6: I know the second time was for stealing a car. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's no, it's not And I just don't I just
Speaker 6: don't think he's a good influence on my son. I
Speaker 6: think he he is trouble. But if the situation got
Speaker 6: awkward because yesterday we were out and my step son
Speaker 6: invited him over while we were gone, and he knows
Speaker 6: he's not supposed to have friends over were out. So
Speaker 6: this young man was outside our home talking to him
Speaker 6: when we arrived, and so I immediately told him that,
Speaker 6: you know, he needed to tell his ask his friend
Speaker 6: to leave. And so my husband was kind of upset
Speaker 6: with me because I guess he was in there.
Speaker 5: That I was.
Speaker 6: So I said it openly and his he feels that
Speaker 6: I should give this kid a chance, and I don't.
Speaker 6: And I don't know at what point do you say, Okay,
Speaker 6: this person is not good, I don't want them around,
Speaker 6: or we need to give you know, as Christians, we
Speaker 6: need to not be judgmental and see, you know, if
Speaker 6: this kid's going to change. So that's my dilemma. I
Speaker 6: don't know how to handle it. I don't know. I
Speaker 6: don't know what to do.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, you there's a judicial system where
Speaker 4: people are incarcerated from time to time, and the frustration
Speaker 4: is that people do their time and they're supposed to
Speaker 4: be let out and the system is supposed to say
Speaker 4: that they're ready to come back into society, but no
Speaker 4: one seems to want to let them do So, Okay,
Speaker 4: and I get that. I get the reasons why, because
Speaker 4: this system's faulty, and all too often the system puts
Speaker 4: people back on the street because they don't have space.
Speaker 2: Or what have you.
Speaker 4: I would be curious as to why he was in
Speaker 4: jail the first time, and I would say that it's
Speaker 4: completely legitimate for you to bring this boy over to
Speaker 4: your home and sit him down with your son and
Speaker 4: your husband and say, you know what, I acted kind
Speaker 4: of short with you the other day, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to explain myself. I would like to know more about
Speaker 4: your situation, because all I know is this, and I
Speaker 4: think that's why I reacted that way. And you're a
Speaker 4: friend of my sons, and I want you guys to
Speaker 4: be able to have a relationship and friendship and all
Speaker 4: of that stuff. But this is my home and this
Speaker 4: is my child, and I'm concerned as to why you
Speaker 4: were in the first time and what you think you
Speaker 4: learned from both of these trips to jail, and if
Speaker 4: I can have your word that you're not going to
Speaker 4: bring that stuff around my home and at least it
Speaker 4: gives you an opportunity. I know it sounds like a
Speaker 4: corny Brady Bunch moment, but but parents will do all
Speaker 4: kinds of heavy duty lifting outside of the situation, but
Speaker 4: nothing that is uncomfortable inside. So instead of going, okay,
Speaker 4: and we're going to chain down our son, take away
Speaker 4: his phone, do all these things so he now he's
Speaker 4: in prison so that he can't have contact, it's face
Speaker 4: it and then see if you get a reading, an
Speaker 4: honest reading, not just of wow, it's scary because the
Speaker 4: guy's been to jail because nobody was an angel. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying everybody had to steal a car and
Speaker 4: that's not, you know, a great thing to have done. However,
Speaker 4: I do know people who have stolen cars in their
Speaker 4: youth and are perfectly wonderful people that you would invite
Speaker 4: to your home. Okay, so I think that your initial
Speaker 4: reaction is a wonderful one, one of protection for your home.
Speaker 4: I'm curious as to why your husband is your husband
Speaker 4: pretty relaxed about the situation.
Speaker 6: Well, I kind of feel that that that is another
Speaker 6: underlying family issue. I kind of feel like he's comfortable
Speaker 6: with letting me be the bad guy, and he sits
Speaker 6: back and.
Speaker 4: Allows me.
Speaker 6: You know, he he doesn't like conflict, so especially you
Speaker 6: see if that's the dilemma with blended families. Also, he
Speaker 6: doesn't like to have conflict with my step son because
Speaker 6: he's always he's always uh holding that guilt that he
Speaker 6: doesn't want to alienate him because he didn't really he
Speaker 6: wasn't with his son, he didn't really raise him. So
Speaker 6: now that they have a relationship, as you know, he's older,
Speaker 6: but the guilt is always there. So he does not
Speaker 6: like to have conflict with him. And and I honestly,
Speaker 6: I think then he he wants to avoid it, so
Speaker 6: he allows me to be.
Speaker 4: The Well, technically, technically you're the parent, and so that's
Speaker 4: a whole different layer of you know, confusion and frustration.
Speaker 4: So technically you are the disciplinarian in this context. Also,
Speaker 4: just to shed a little light on how males work,
Speaker 4: and a lot of women don't understand this, is that
Speaker 4: men women fight differently than men. Women fight emotionally, and
Speaker 4: if you're honest with yourself, you know that that women
Speaker 4: will fight emotionally with one another.
Speaker 6: I have to agree that I do my I'm right
Speaker 6: off the cuff, I'm you know exactly where I'm coming
Speaker 6: from exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's that's it's a wonderful trait actually, and men
Speaker 4: tend to learn at a very young age that the
Speaker 4: slightest thing can get go to fisticuffs or a physical
Speaker 4: altercation immediately as young boys. They learn that young girls
Speaker 4: won't sit there necessarily pull hair and go through all
Speaker 4: that stuff on the playground, but boys will scrap and
Speaker 4: throw things and punch each other in the face at
Speaker 4: a very young age. And so a lot of men
Speaker 4: come across to their wives sometimes as being laxadaisical, or
Speaker 4: lazy or too relaxed about certain situations, whereas a lot
Speaker 4: of men know they're just kind of balancing it saying,
Speaker 4: you know what, I have a first gear and I
Speaker 4: have a sixth gear, and I will go from zero
Speaker 4: point one into a physical altercation because that's the world
Speaker 4: that I was taught as a boy. That always, no
Speaker 4: matter what, even if you try and rationalize it and go, well,
Speaker 4: you know what and be diplomatic, boys will throw punches.
Speaker 4: And that doesn't happen in most cases to women. And
Speaker 4: so a lot of times women don't understand that, and
Speaker 4: they'll go they'll run up to somebody in a public
Speaker 4: situation start yelling, and the man's like, honey, honey, stand down,
Speaker 4: stand down. Because the man, because a woman's going, no
Speaker 4: one's gonna sit, you know, haul off and punch me.
Speaker 4: And it's good that you don't think that the world
Speaker 4: shouldn't be that way, but the guy is going. You
Speaker 4: know what, this can go from you being upset because
Speaker 4: someone pushed you to an all out brawl with police
Speaker 4: involved in one second once a man gets involved. So
Speaker 4: sometimes men tend to be a little too relaxed because
Speaker 4: of the fear and concern the way they were brought up.
Speaker 4: Always things can go from zero to sixty because now
Speaker 4: when men get involved, now it becomes a pride issue
Speaker 4: and you know, testecular fortitude comes in and you know,
Speaker 4: are you saying that I'm a wimp and all this
Speaker 4: stuff and it gets blown out of proportion. So sometimes
Speaker 4: that affects it. But really truth is, he didn't raise
Speaker 4: the boy, but you are the parent in this circumstance,
Speaker 4: and what you say goes now. He needs to support
Speaker 4: you as your husband to give you the strength and
Speaker 4: the tools you need. So in this case, I think
Speaker 4: confronting the situation head on and being reasonable with this
Speaker 4: twenty something year old and saying, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you come in my house.
Speaker 4: I have fears and concerns, and you've got to understand that,
Speaker 4: and he'll probably probably will go yeah, absolutely, So I
Speaker 4: just want to know who you are, and you know
Speaker 4: how long? If have they known each other all of
Speaker 4: these things and asked that said, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 4: we'd be happy to have you around in this context.
Speaker 4: But if I hear anything, I'm going to put an
Speaker 4: end to it. And not because I'm trying to be
Speaker 4: the lord of all, but because I care very much
Speaker 4: about my son. And learn about his parents if you can,
Speaker 4: and as much as you can, and make decisions based
Speaker 4: on the whole pick. Sure, I know it's scary proposition,
Speaker 4: but know all the information first and then make a
Speaker 4: decision as to what you're going to do. Jim, Welcome
Speaker 4: to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Someone has committed just toy, Someone has committed a mortal
Speaker 1: sin like suicide.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that like it's pointless to even pray
Speaker 1: for them in hell? Or if they did commit a
Speaker 1: mortal sin, maybe like one second before they passed away
Speaker 1: they repented. Does that make any difference? Is it there
Speaker 1: gone forever and it's no point even thinking about them?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Well, you have to kind of argue depending on where
Speaker 4: you're standing. Protestants would have a different point of view
Speaker 4: than Catholics most certainly, so there's doctrine involved as well.
Speaker 4: But I would say this that there is no reason
Speaker 4: to think that there is not something very intimate going
Speaker 4: on between man and God that in what you would
Speaker 4: call a second could be an eternity outside of this world,
Speaker 4: and everyone gets a proper opportunity to accept or reject God.
Speaker 4: It's not based on ignorance. It's either you accept or
Speaker 4: you reject knowingly. And when it comes to suicide, it's
Speaker 4: one of those very ugly things because it's the last
Speaker 4: act of freedom that abolishes all other acts of freedom.
Speaker 4: It's a well, it's a crime. It's a crime against
Speaker 4: the gift of God, most certainly. Now, this is not
Speaker 4: to belittle the pain of people that contemplate as many
Speaker 4: many do, or to belittle the pains that go on
Speaker 4: in the world that make people frustrated or want to
Speaker 4: leave this planet. But what it is is to look
Speaker 4: at this act and see that there is nothing Sadly,
Speaker 4: many people think of suicide because they're trying to themselves
Speaker 4: of pain, but really suicide doesn't end pain. It merely
Speaker 4: pushes it off to the people that are living. And
Speaker 4: so there's no way to eradicate that you work through pain,
Speaker 4: you don't. There's no way to really eradicate it in
Speaker 4: that sense, which is said.
Speaker 1: What about purgatory with someone like that, go to purgatory
Speaker 1: or I know, I think that's more of a Catholic doctrina.
Speaker 2: Most certainly purgatory.
Speaker 1: But do most faiths in Christian in the Christian religion
Speaker 1: believe in purgatory or is it just something that was
Speaker 1: established out of.
Speaker 2: From theologians purgatory.
Speaker 4: Purgatory is a sticky one because there are different belief systems,
Speaker 4: most certainly, and there are things that maybe the Protestants
Speaker 4: would say, yes, I believe that there's this period here,
Speaker 4: whereas Catholics might say, no, it's a it's a literal
Speaker 4: place going through the purification process. The problem with many
Speaker 4: of these views is that it adds an asterisk to
Speaker 4: the death on the cross, so it's well, is there,
Speaker 4: what's the payment? And one of the things I said
Speaker 4: at the very very end on the cross is to
Speaker 4: tell usty and through you know, contortions of translation and
Speaker 4: understanding of the term it gets translated into the end,
Speaker 4: it is finished, paid in full, all these different things,
Speaker 4: but ultimately it sounds vinal. So there are many that
Speaker 4: wrestle with that concept. And there are some concepts of
Speaker 4: purgatory that are kind of with a small p that
Speaker 4: may fit into scripture, and there are others that may not.
Speaker 4: Outside of that, I want you to think about your
Speaker 4: main question and that as if someone commits this sin
Speaker 4: of suicide, and this suicide is self murder, can one
Speaker 4: still pray for them? And one would have to go
Speaker 4: to scripture and see that Scripture says that it's appointed
Speaker 4: for man to die once and then the judgment, So
Speaker 4: really to be praying for them is at the point
Speaker 4: of where they're being judged, is really an act of
Speaker 4: individual preference. Then it is something in scripture that says
Speaker 4: this is what you should be doing. You should always
Speaker 4: trust God and know Jim that God has a plan
Speaker 4: that you could not even fathom, and that anyone who
Speaker 4: has the opportunity to receive will make that choice with
Speaker 4: the best of who they are, and God knows that.
Speaker 4: And there are things that could take place in the moments.
Speaker 4: One of the reason why many in the Christian faith
Speaker 4: in different denominations feel that suicide is the unpardonable sin
Speaker 4: is because there's no way to repent from it, there's
Speaker 4: no way to turn away from that. But you could
Speaker 4: argue that about murder too.
Speaker 2: You can't. Can't.
Speaker 4: You could stop murdering, but you can't unmurder somebody that
Speaker 4: you murdered. So I think that there's there is room
Speaker 4: for argument that in those moments what seem like seconds,
Speaker 4: as somebody passes, even by their own hand, that God
Speaker 4: is in communication with them, and that during that process
Speaker 4: God can absolutely reach out and to be with that individual.
Speaker 4: Having said that, I will state over and over the
Speaker 4: obvious on this program that suicide is obviously frowned upon
Speaker 4: by God.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 4: An ugly, the ugliest returning of a gift that you
Speaker 4: could possibly imagine or conjure, and to look on in
Speaker 4: the face and say thank you, no, thank you, can
Speaker 4: be a horrible and ugly act of rebellion. And as
Speaker 4: this show has had the pleasure of coming across people
Speaker 4: who have once thought those things and now we'll write
Speaker 4: emails and keep in contact, that they're no longer in
Speaker 4: that state. And we say here over and over again
Speaker 4: that we call them life circum circumstances, because they do change.
Speaker 4: Is that often those things do change. And as we
Speaker 4: say over and over that if you don't wait for
Speaker 4: the end of the movie, you don't get the happy ending.
Speaker 4: Love one another to day, go out and be kind
Speaker 4: to each other, and remember, although we only have this
Speaker 4: little time together each Sunday. More importantly than all the
Speaker 4: craziness these words.
Speaker 2: I Am with You
Speaker 1: Always, KF I am six forty on demand