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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Billy cunning Him the Great American. Coming up later,

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<v Speaker 1>of course is Reds Baseball. The Twinkies are in town.

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<v Speaker 1>Red's one last night, Another big game tonight that tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>business special. Also in about one hour, Countie Pillach will

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<v Speaker 1>be here, the Hemley County Prosecutor. But joining us now

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<v Speaker 1>is is Sarah Herringer, and she's the widow of Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>who was murdered on her about June the fourth. And Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I am, I'm highly functional and hanging in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have your.

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<v Speaker 2>Bunny, Yeah, yep. I've got my therapy dog Ted. He's

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping right now at my feet. So let's go back

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<v Speaker 2>in time.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you meet Patrick?

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<v Speaker 2>I met Patrick when I first saw him on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>I met him in Colorado Springs, which is where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>initially from, and he was stationed in the military there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was about twenty eleven and I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>and I pointed out to a friend and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to marry that man.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, yes, and you were you were how old?

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<v Speaker 1>About twenty twenty five?

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<v Speaker 2>I was about twenty five, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw Patrick and said, yeah, that's it. That's it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>what was it about him?

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<v Speaker 3>He?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, anyone who knew him would say, he just

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<v Speaker 2>has this force that draws you in. He's very stands

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<v Speaker 2>out in a crowd, has a presence about him. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw him and it was truly love at

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<v Speaker 2>first sight. And I know that's really cheesy, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Percent of tame. Sometimes it happens, it does. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as his military service, what can you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about Pat's sacrifice for the nation?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a two bronze Star award also combat I had.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he didn't really talk a whole lot about

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<v Speaker 2>all of the accolades and awards that he had because

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<v Speaker 2>he knew that other people's sacrifice was greater than his.

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<v Speaker 2>He was deployed twice. He came home alive, many of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends did not. And in the past week, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going through this process, I had reached out to one

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<v Speaker 2>of his buddies and was like, just, you know, out

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<v Speaker 2>of curiosity, what has he been awarded with? And he

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<v Speaker 2>sent me about ten different things that he had and

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<v Speaker 2>was very successful. He was an army captain and really

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<v Speaker 2>loved serving and when it was time to move on,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to be a business owner and serve a

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<v Speaker 2>community and just take it from government into private.

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<v Speaker 1>What took you from Colorado Springs to Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a Cincinnati boy and I did not know this,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're from here, you come back and you

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<v Speaker 2>bring someone with you. That's how people are, like Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you here? And honestly, I have family from

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest. They're more so Dayton, Ohio. I had never

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<v Speaker 2>been to Cincinnati, though, and when I first started dating him,

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<v Speaker 2>we had came back and I was like, Cincinnati's got

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<v Speaker 2>some things going on. I like that. And when he

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<v Speaker 2>separated from the military, we took a brief stint in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City. He was a consultant for Ernst and Young.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing a global events coordination for Goldman Sachs.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a project manager back in the day with

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<v Speaker 2>our corporate world, and he really it wasn't fulfilling and

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to open a business. He wanted to open

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<v Speaker 2>a gym because health and fitness, mental health, physical health

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<v Speaker 2>is very important to us. And he knew that it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be an investment in the community and

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to do that back at home. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we moved here in the end of twenty fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen we opened up which is now Findly

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<v Speaker 2>Movement and we've had that business for the last ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>just changing lives and giving people a place where they

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<v Speaker 2>can come every single day and whatever it is for

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<v Speaker 2>them work on their health, to have a safe space.

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<v Speaker 1>Good OTR extent you and Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean the community support has been huge

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<v Speaker 2>and we've really we've enjoyed our time being there up

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<v Speaker 2>until till as of late.

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<v Speaker 1>And you knew the neighbors, they knew you place to go.

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<v Speaker 1>You had three or four hundred clients come there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do a lot of it. Maybe I should

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<v Speaker 1>work out, I play golf, but nonetheless a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people go to Patrick, go to gyms and work out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the goal was to operate a business in the community,

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<v Speaker 1>be part of the community. Yes, to be a positive

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<v Speaker 1>force for good and let's face it, a part that

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<v Speaker 1>needs some help. OTR has got a bad RepA you

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<v Speaker 1>may not recall about in the year two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, it looked like Bay Root.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I set the city on fire, right right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I walked up Vine Street with Charlie Lucan several times

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<v Speaker 4>it looked like Bay Root store fronts by building for

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<v Speaker 4>a dollar. Yeah, and that community changed because people like

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<v Speaker 4>you and Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it was very important to us that we lived

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<v Speaker 2>and worked in the community that we wanted to serve.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't want to be dry in from someplace else.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to really have, you know, powerful impact and

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<v Speaker 2>change in the area that we were in.

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<v Speaker 1>At that night, the prosecutors asked you not to talk

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<v Speaker 1>particularly about the circumstances, true, because there may be a

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<v Speaker 1>testimony by you in court and you don't want different

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the same set of facts. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>have locked in your mind what happened, but many school

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<v Speaker 1>things might be remembered differently. But did you know Mordecai

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<v Speaker 1>Black have any interaction we ever see him on the

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<v Speaker 1>street before, any connection with him whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, and to my understanding, not Patrick either.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very friendly with everyone, was never, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious or didn't was very much so lived in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew people on the street corners, We talked to them,

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<v Speaker 2>knew their names, interacted with them. And that is a

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<v Speaker 2>question that I have been asked, and I nothing out

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<v Speaker 2>of the blue, no connection whatsoever with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Man when the event took place. Of course, us on

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<v Speaker 1>there the next day and there was reports that a

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<v Speaker 1>white woman I assume you was put in handcuffs by

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<v Speaker 1>the police. Yes, And what impact did that have?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I when I look back now, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think context is everything, and if the system

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<v Speaker 2>was set up differently, yes, I think victims should probably

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<v Speaker 2>be taken to a psych word in that situation, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's really probably what should have happened to me. I do, though,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the policing that happened because Patrick is the victim,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they entered the scene, Mordecai Black had already fled.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no one there but my sister and I,

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<v Speaker 2>and they immediately were working for Patrick and advocating for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and in my state of shock, was not very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to get along with. I had seen too many movies

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<v Speaker 2>and thought I would be riding with him in the

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<v Speaker 2>ambulance and that was not the case. And so in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no, I obviously it's part of that where

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that had never happened. And I don't hold

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<v Speaker 2>anything against them though, because I know that what they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing was making sure that from the very beginning

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<v Speaker 2>that they were taking this seriously and doing their job

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<v Speaker 2>and doing what they needed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you this was a real horror movie and

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<v Speaker 1>it was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>To you, absolutely absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>How long were you in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 2>For a while? And again they they did their due

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<v Speaker 2>diligence with questioning and I was released later that afternoon, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were locked up several hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, why, I don't exactly know, you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on the inside in that and I but

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<v Speaker 2>again likely because I was the number one suspect, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these such situations, you can it's not

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<v Speaker 2>uncommon to have spouse or next of kin be the

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<v Speaker 2>person who has done something like this. And uh, I also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, refused to speak to them until my lawyer arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>and that that took a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And you told me off there. Of course you can't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the particulars, but you did. You did want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that Patrick died defending you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I was attacked myself and he he protected me,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's how he he died. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that really stands out from that night, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean many, many details, but uh. The last words that

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<v Speaker 2>he kept saying was stay fighting, stay fighting. The man

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<v Speaker 2>had Mordecai Black had uh left and all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to the very last moment, he made sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>was protected and I was safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And Patrick died. Yes, have you come to grips with

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<v Speaker 1>that yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. It's there are very strange moments

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<v Speaker 2>in the day where nothing, it doesn't feel real again,

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<v Speaker 2>highly functioning and able to do a lot, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>that overnight, you know, my entire world has shattered and

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<v Speaker 2>split and have entirely different priorities and focuses that I

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<v Speaker 2>had before that. I am taking care of myself doing

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you know again me. I'm also a holistic

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<v Speaker 2>health practitioner and health and life coach and anything that

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<v Speaker 2>I advice that I would give anyone in this situation

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<v Speaker 2>on grief and trauma and self regulation and how to

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<v Speaker 2>move through that or all of the steps that I'm taking.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, it's it's moment by moment and day by

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<v Speaker 2>day because I can't think of six months, a year,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera down the road without him. That's far too

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming for me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And Sarah, you know, Patrick would want you to continue.

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<v Speaker 1>He would want you to live your life, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>to love and to enjoy your friends and family. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>want you to continue the.

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<v Speaker 2>Business, absolutely, and he made sure of that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's you know, when I look through all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's so many you can kill yourself with asking

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<v Speaker 2>why why this? Why us? Why now? Why? Him? And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have those answers, but I know that he

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<v Speaker 2>made sure that I was still here.

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<v Speaker 1>Some have said this is a Kyle Plush moment. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the boy at seven Hills who was upside down

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<v Speaker 1>in the backseat of a van and he was calling

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one and kind of blew off a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the system changed. What is your mission now

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<v Speaker 1>with the sitting and with the state?

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<v Speaker 2>My mission now is to get Cincinnati a place where

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<v Speaker 2>their residents are safe, because they're not. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>an illusion that I was living under. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>when the veil's very thin, and when it doesn't affect you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty easy to fall for optics or to take

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<v Speaker 2>things at face value, or you know, even I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt so safe with him because of the type of

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<v Speaker 2>man of who my husband is just a very physical

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<v Speaker 2>specimen he's very intimidating looking. He's trained in hand to

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<v Speaker 2>hand combat obviously, you know, Army military veteran, and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what I know now and that is something that I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely cannot stay silent about. The city needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>cleaned up. There's been ten murders in the last fourteen days,

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<v Speaker 2>and how is anyone safe? How is that acceptable? And

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<v Speaker 2>there is also an underserved population and demographic who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the resources, who doesn't have the community, who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the support. My community is full of highly highly

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<v Speaker 2>skilled individuals that their help is what I will need

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<v Speaker 2>in order to affect change. I can't do this alone,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are so many people who don't have access

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<v Speaker 2>is our community. This is who we wanted to serve

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick as a protector, and that is what I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>a mission to do. You're not leaving, No, I'm not leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm staying.

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<v Speaker 1>You met with the mayor, you met with the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk first about the mayor. Now, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>social posting you made about the mayor. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>and what did he say to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Very sorry, but I don't think condolences do enough in

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of situation. Anyone else can be sorry, people

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<v Speaker 2>That's an acceptable response, but from the leadership who's been

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<v Speaker 2>the after effect is not okay. And he did not know,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, that the state was not in communication with

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<v Speaker 2>local law enforcement, and that's your job to know those things.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's you know, negligence as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>to that, or an excuse or an out. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he did offer support, saying that he would do anything

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<v Speaker 2>to change legislation, and I hope that that is something

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<v Speaker 2>that we can count on him for because again, he

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<v Speaker 2>is a politician in a place of that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>leadership and I am not, and I will need resources. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the actions that he takes moving forward, that is what

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<v Speaker 2>we need to see. Results are going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that speaks right now, not words, and there needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, short of a reckoning, but really

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<v Speaker 2>quite that when it comes to cleaning up the streets

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<v Speaker 2>of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mordecai Black was led out after about ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think your lawyer Todd mcmercury who's here, said that

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<v Speaker 1>Mordecai Black was locked up like nineteen in the last

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, correct, So this was an extremely dangerous person. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Adult Parole Authority had ordered him wear an

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<v Speaker 1>course nobody knew locally that was going. There's no communication

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<v Speaker 1>between the APA, No Pearl Authority and local police none.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the parole Authority said, we put a warrant in

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<v Speaker 2>the system, the system, so if he had pulled it

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<v Speaker 2>up then you would have seen that. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>find out that on May fifteenth he is the suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>He's identified as the person who does a break in

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<v Speaker 2>and attempted robbery and these people knew who he was,

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<v Speaker 2>to my understanding, and again no alarm was sounded, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>was could have then pulled it up and looked. So

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<v Speaker 2>the system is broken and it's failing on multiple levels.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can just point to one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>to finish on how these type of things are communicated,

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<v Speaker 2>who's notified and what actions are taken in order to

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<v Speaker 1>The system was noticed in May cut off, something's going

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<v Speaker 1>to go. System was notified Burglary, that's the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>did it. They took a report. Police took a report

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<v Speaker 1>and said, okay, yep, that's the guy. No one at

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<v Speaker 1>that point said, is that the guy who cut off

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<v Speaker 1>his bracelet. No connection was made there. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that's a career criminal who's going to kill somebody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he has already other than Patrick, We're not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised. And the whole system said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to bother with it until something like

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<v Speaker 1>this happens, correct and so and then you also had

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<v Speaker 1>comments about your meeting with the prosecutor Conic Pillach. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be hearing about forty five minutes, and how

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<v Speaker 1>did that go.

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<v Speaker 2>They they're very supportive. They you know, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>see justice done, and the team that is on this

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<v Speaker 2>is exceptional. I do have concerns about the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>message they're signaling with sentencing. Though this man expects life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. He's been he's spent his life in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>and every single time he's gotten out he has immediately

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<v Speaker 2>gone and done something more and more aggressive. He's always

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<v Speaker 2>escalated every time he's been released. And for one, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not sending a message to violent criminals when you feed them,

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<v Speaker 2>house them, give them a TV, a peer support group,

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<v Speaker 2>a gym for the rest of their life. When they

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<v Speaker 2>expect that that's their life, that's all they know. There

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<v Speaker 2>has to be an accountability and something that is far

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<v Speaker 2>more severe in order to start deterring these people and

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<v Speaker 2>so many people who they Yes, we want to see

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<v Speaker 2>communities rehabilitated. However, most of us can't even imagine thinking

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<v Speaker 2>the way these kind of people think, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a vengeance move or something that's highly aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>or or coming from a place of my anger and grief.

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<v Speaker 2>But really what it is is it's sending a message

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<v Speaker 2>to people who think, like Mordecai Black, you probably shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that, because there's going to be a true

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<v Speaker 2>consequence for if you do and when you do.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, the prosecutors not seeking the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>In another case with Rodney Hinton, who's purposely killed Larry Henderson,

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<v Speaker 1>the police officer, she is seeking the death penalty. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you communicated with her your displeasure with that idea, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh is the reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>There hasn't really been much of of a statement. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that we have heard from the office,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily Connie herself, is that when you seek the

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty, there are a lot of processes of appeals

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<v Speaker 2>and it could be a you know, an average and

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<v Speaker 2>this is again something I learned, and when you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a murder trial, those can take on average two years,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even more, and the thought of well through the

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<v Speaker 2>appeal process it could take fifteen years or so. And

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it's like, well, nothing is going to bring

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick's life back, Nothing is going to fix that, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>is going to rectify that. However, if he is in

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<v Speaker 2>this process knowing at the end of it because he

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<v Speaker 2>will be found guilty, I do know that the prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>are exceptional. Who is on this case at least leaders

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible, and it's worth that to me in order

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<v Speaker 2>to have the kind of change, Because we can't fix anything.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that we can do moving forward is

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<v Speaker 2>how do we change how do we make sure this

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the so called politics of the small

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<v Speaker 1>p you had a posting about the mayor showing up

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<v Speaker 1>at a particular kind of a rally, but not not

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of many of the victims. Every time I

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<v Speaker 1>hear something from a politician, it's like crimes down, crimes down,

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<v Speaker 1>pat myself on the back, life is good. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I, an independent data analyst, has looked over

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<v Speaker 2>all of the public information and was the one who

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<v Speaker 2>sent those graphs out. And crime is up, it is

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<v Speaker 2>not down. And so when you have and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I even said, like anyone who's taken a

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<v Speaker 2>statistics class, so you always know you beat the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>to death till you get the story that you want.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're good at doing, and that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be exposed. People need to know what kind of people

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<v Speaker 2>are currently in office and what they're willing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're willing to risk your life in order to

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<v Speaker 2>have optics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there was video of Black walking around before the

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<v Speaker 1>murder with a knife in his hands, up and down OTR.

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume looking for a victim and you just

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<v Speaker 1>your family just happened to be in his way. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to have one police officer on duty at three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning between the Ohio River and North

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<v Speaker 1>otr It's kind of ridiculous, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely ridiculous. And you know the chief of police

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<v Speaker 2>said when we met with her, Terry and Aftab at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, the mayor at the same time. She

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<v Speaker 2>said she went off of data, and that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>pride themselves on. Data shows that it's enough. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would have to say, why don't you look at just

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<v Speaker 2>the bloodbath that's happened in your city in the last

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks, and you tell me that your data tells

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<v Speaker 2>you that this city is safe enough. Criminals do not

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<v Speaker 2>fear the current police force that are out on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not. There's no deterrent whatsoever. And that is not

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<v Speaker 2>more brutally obvious to anyone other than me. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Say, can you hang around for a couple of minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you are lawyers here? Let's continue with more. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WW in the studio with

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<v Speaker 1>me now is the widow of Patrick Herringer, which is Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought you'd ever hear the word widow, would you.

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a title. I'm still getting used to how does

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<v Speaker 2>it hit you hard? I would rather it be wife.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the future, we talked a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>off the air and your lawyers here about what they

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<v Speaker 1>can do, and that's uncertain in the future. But as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the police, I have a note here TECH

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<v Speaker 1>sent to me from an officer who said, how many

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<v Speaker 1>officers are on duty? How many on that day? The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is, I think one or less and at one

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<v Speaker 1>point is your goal to have one thing happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the city now is that they're offering these opportunities for

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<v Speaker 1>suburban cops anywhere in Ohio who come to Cincinnati and

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<v Speaker 1>it won't take a year, year and a half. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to take six months. They also have another class

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<v Speaker 1>going through that may take a year, year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Could that be a positive situation to have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more police a lot more absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The lateral class of having officers come in who are

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<v Speaker 2>just relocating to Cincinnati, you do. You need a much

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<v Speaker 2>stronger police presence. And I think in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 2>they should be proactively going out and who has current

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<v Speaker 2>on the streets. That's another thing that they could also

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<v Speaker 2>be proactively doing. But yeah, I would love to see

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<v Speaker 2>more police presence. And that's another entire group of people

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<v Speaker 2>to consider as well. How is it safe for them?

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<v Speaker 2>How right? And if you are that officer, how confident

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel in apprehending or going out and looking

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<v Speaker 2>as well, they're at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Veterans have told me in the ten twenty years ago

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<v Speaker 1>they have a lineup. So okay, if not much going on,

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<v Speaker 1>take a handful of Warrens. We're looking for these six guys.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have extra time, go find these guys. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen anymore. In fact, there's speed bumps on Madison Road.

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<v Speaker 1>You used to have law enforcement with speed. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. They want a passive stand down, don't

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<v Speaker 1>cause problems police as opposed to being active to go

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<v Speaker 1>unfind people. And perfect example is Mordecai Black. You should

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<v Speaker 1>have been located and there was no no one looking

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Even after you've identified in a burglary a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks before as the definite person, nobody went to

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<v Speaker 1>see him. Is that a police problem or is that

424
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<v Speaker 1>a politician problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a politician problem. I think, you know,

426
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<v Speaker 2>the police, they need to feel supported in order to

427
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<v Speaker 2>do their jobs. And I met with the police union

428
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<v Speaker 2>last week and they don't feel that they are afraid

429
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<v Speaker 2>of being used for a pawn in political gain. And

430
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<v Speaker 2>optics is even down to having armored vehicles because they

431
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>think that the citizens of Cincinnati are too fragile to

432
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<v Speaker 2>handle a quote unquote militant optics when it comes from police.

433
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<v Speaker 2>But the best kind of policing is proactive. If you

434
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<v Speaker 2>can have a presence and you are out there serving

435
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<v Speaker 2>the community, which is that's what they are, they're public servants.

436
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Then you have people who are second guessing what kind

437
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of actions do I take? You're not really what is

438
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.079
<v Speaker 2>it to have someone if you're really good at cleaning

439
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>up messes? You know, if we can prevent those things

440
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.160
<v Speaker 2>with more of a presence, I think that is the

441
00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:24.920
<v Speaker 2>benefit and we'll serve Cincinnati and the citizens of it nicely.

442
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<v Speaker 1>That is the sense now in Cincinnati, we talked to

443
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.319
<v Speaker 1>cops Ken Kob Dan Hill's men and the men and

444
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 1>women in blue. They're going to tell you, look, we're

445
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<v Speaker 1>not going to put ourselves at risk because we're not

446
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be backed up. We're going to be sued.

447
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Qualified immunity maybe taken away soon by the state of Ohio,

448
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>which means if you're a cop, unless you intentionally commit

449
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>an act, how many negligent act acts to it does

450
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 1>a cop commit? I'd say all the time. Cops make mistakes.

451
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you're sued constantly for a negligent act, that

452
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<v Speaker 1>means you're not going to be proactive. And they need

453
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty more cops and need it now

454
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<v Speaker 1>and need a mentality that we're going to be We're

455
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<v Speaker 1>going to be aggressive to the few number of people

456
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<v Speaker 1>committing disproportion crimes in this city.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and I think that is is it? You know

458
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Speaker 2>they have ninety police retiring every year. When you have

459
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.519
<v Speaker 2>a class a full class at sixty, they haven't had that,

460
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:16.279
<v Speaker 2>and so we do need a stronger police presence and

461
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 2>force for sure, all right.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Todd m mcmurtries here also the attorney, well, what are

463
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you looking at in the future because it's very early,

464
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 1>it's only been about twelve days since has occurred. But

465
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<v Speaker 1>as an attorney, a great note to what are you

466
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<v Speaker 1>who you're looking at in a civil sense of anyone well, Bill, as.

467
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<v Speaker 3>You know, suing a city Cincinnati, or suing the Department

468
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<v Speaker 3>of Corrections for their mistakes, which are you know, many

469
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 3>is a challenge. We've been focused you know, here in

470
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<v Speaker 3>the early stages and working with the least leaders and

471
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<v Speaker 3>Chris Slips and the prosecutor's office to get them everything

472
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 3>that they need. So now I'll turn my attention to

473
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 3>what the civil liability might be. But you know, we're

474
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<v Speaker 3>going to turn over the stones and find out what

475
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<v Speaker 3>we can to look for any parties are responsible for

476
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<v Speaker 3>this Because I knew Patrick, I've known Sarah, my wife

477
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<v Speaker 3>and I are good friends with him. He was a

478
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 3>wonderful person and he really deserves all the justice he

479
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 3>can get, be it civil or criminal.

480
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<v Speaker 1>That's down the road. You don't know. That'll take anywhere

481
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<v Speaker 1>from three to five years from this point.

482
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's going to take me, you know,

483
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 3>a couple of months to do the research and get

484
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<v Speaker 3>all the facts and data together to see if if

485
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<v Speaker 3>there is any avenue for civil liability, you know, can

486
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:26.920
<v Speaker 3>they be soon?

487
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<v Speaker 1>You know?

488
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<v Speaker 3>Is it a court of claims case? Is it a

489
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 3>case that's that's brought in the common pleas. You know,

490
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 3>those are the things I've got to kind of piece through.

491
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're committed to all your cases, but this

492
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<v Speaker 1>one to you a special it is.

493
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's very personal that they're friends of ours.

494
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, I played golf with Patrick. The guy could

495
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 3>drive a ball three hundred yards. It was insane. He

496
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 3>was a flat belly. Yeah, flat belly's gonna hit the ball.

497
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he was, he was. He was a bad fellow

498
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 3>there with a golf stick. So yeah, personal friends. And

499
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 3>we've we've my wife and Iron invested in this whole

500
00:26:58.400 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 3>thing very personally.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Well, this morning, Sarah, when Mordecai black Spawn was increased

502
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 1>by Judge Winkler.

503
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I wasn't the only one there. I had

504
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>about fifty to sixty of our community members were also

505
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 2>there this standing room only they were not all of

506
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 2>us fit inside of the courtroom. And that really when

507
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>we are looking at moving forward and what it's going

508
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 2>to take, having that community from Finley movement, but also

509
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 2>just the city itself showing up and supporting in this

510
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>cause because it's for them.

511
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:34.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, you know what the politicians are after, which

512
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 1>is kind of you to go away. Oh, absolutely, quiet down, Yes,

513
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>know your role, shut your mouth. Yes, we're going to

514
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>run for reelection. Happy days, you're here again. Look at

515
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>all the good stuff we've done. How would you respond

516
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to that?

517
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have nothing to lose anymore. The worst thing

518
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.359
<v Speaker 2>that I could ever imagine for my life has already happened.

519
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And one of those things is very odd, sincey on

520
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the back side of it is I'm not afraid anymore,

521
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and they can't take anything from me, and I don't

522
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 2>want anything other than justice and for whatever kind of

523
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.160
<v Speaker 2>reform that needs to happen to make sure this doesn't

524
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>happen again.

525
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's satisfied with the one action taken. The Adult

526
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Pearl authority is now going to notify the last known address.

527
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Of course, many of these individuals locked up for ten years.

528
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 1>They don't have a home address. I don't know what

529
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>to do, but in this case, certainly after the burglary,

530
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>there should have been red sirens going off. This is

531
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy that cut it off, cut off his bracelet.

532
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>He's been out. Nineteen years of his life has been

533
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in prison. Hey doesn't care, and he's walking around OTR

534
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 1>with a butcher knife. We're going to go find this guy,

535
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>And what do the cops tell you, Like Ken Kober

536
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>when you say, why weren't you looking for him?

537
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>It truly is. They are not bodies that communicate, and

538
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 2>so the first thing is being able to get the

539
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>state level, the parole board speaking with local authorities. To me,

540
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that is a huge I mean that the citizens of

541
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati are exposed by that law first and foremost. That

542
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 2>needs to be taken care of. When someone who's a

543
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>violent ultra violent criminal has gone a wall, local law

544
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>enforcement needs to know about that. They need to be notified.

545
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Other than there, if you happen to find the slip

546
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>of paper in the system, then you're notified. They need

547
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to be directly contacted and also have the resources to

548
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>go and apprehend someone like that.

549
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And they don't have. The cops will tell you they

550
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 1>do not feel they have backup, whether it's city Hall

551
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>or fellow men and women in blue, they don't have backup,

552
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>correct And they told you that, right, yes, why don't

553
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>they have backup? Why what's the reason?

554
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, anymore, policing is not the honorable career that it

555
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>used to be, and they are not even supported by

556
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the community. They serve as much anymore. And you know

557
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that is where you slip into some political sides. I

558
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>think a little bit more, But I don't think public

559
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>safety should ever be a come down to a Democrat Republican.

560
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>We need police and any type of problem that you

561
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>have when it discusses, you know, safe policing, it's better

562
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>to be talking about those problems than obviously the issues

563
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that a community is going to have without police.

564
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

565
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And so the cops need to be the police need

566
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>to be supported, they need to have funds, they need

567
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to have bodies, they need to have people in leadership

568
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 2>within the police themselves who are also not controlled by politicians,

569
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>who are supporting the people. And of course you want

570
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to you want to take every type of action they have.

571
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 2>You want to make sure that they are are doing

572
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it well. But that happens most of the time. They're

573
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>not really in a place. So to my own understanding,

574
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>what I have been told is that they do not

575
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>feel supported to take proactive measures. And that's also something

576
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>that really needs to change.

577
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think the decision mc connie Pilate's not to

578
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 1>indict that police officer was a positive and there was

579
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>two seconds that transpired from the time the officer said

580
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 1>he's got a gun, gun, gun, until the officer had

581
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to decide to shoot and not shoot, and he had

582
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>a gun, he did have a gun. It takes split

583
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>second to go this way. And if that had gone

584
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the other way. If you listen to the finand Ruckers

585
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>or the civil attorneys of this world saying you want

586
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to grand jury indict the police, what would that do

587
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to law enforcement? If comps are indicted in that case,

588
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>they're going to say even more, I'm not doing this anymore.

589
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm done, right. They're people, their husbands and mothers and fathers.

590
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 2>They want to go home, yes, yes, and they again

591
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 2>they need to be safe. These are real humans and.

592
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>They they're people. Yes, they're keep people.

593
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they've signed up to service and they put

594
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>their life on the line because they are the ones

595
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>who are there to be able to apprehend criminals and

596
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>people who want to who live to enact violence on

597
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the community. And those are things that you know, you

598
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have that mindset. We don't have that.

599
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>We can't get into the mind of Mordecai Black or

600
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 2>people like that. But those people do exist, and that

601
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 2>is the reality so to pretend like it's not and

602
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>to also be have a current judicial system that is

603
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>leaning more towards the criminals and taking and empathizing more

604
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>with them versus the people who they are elected by

605
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>to protect is something that needs to be revealed and exposed.

606
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, a shot spotter says, there's about twenty thousand

607
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>shots fired in the city of Cincinnati this year. Imagine

608
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand bullets flying around the city.

609
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've got to go somewhere.

610
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>They got to go, and I only hit about five

611
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 1>hundred people, which is amazing, But that's a problem. There's

612
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand shots fired. And we're talking about seven or

613
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 1>eight zip codes. Not talking from Salor Park out to

614
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Mount Washington. We're talking about this city. Corps is twenty

615
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 1>thousand shots fire. Those who lived there understand.

616
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 2>That, Yes, absolutely, that was even you know, something a

617
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>concern that we had had. We had noticed an uptick

618
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 2>in shots and had even had a couple of incidences

619
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 2>where the police were called for like a breaking and

620
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>entering or not not a home but a robbery of

621
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>someone who is working on our house in their car.

622
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>And so it's you know, the people who live down

623
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>there again, their voices are not being heard. They're also

624
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 2>fed up. They don't want to live in that They

625
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>want to be able to live in a safe community.

626
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>They are business owners, They're people who are dedicated to

627
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the city of Cincinnati, and the leadership of this city

628
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>needs to do right by them, and they need to

629
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>do better.

630
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Sarah, her husband looking from down to you,

631
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.519
<v Speaker 1>would be very proud of you right now, Patrick would

632
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 1>be so proud.

633
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Channeling him every step of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for coming in. Coming up in about ten

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<v Speaker 1>or fifteen minutes is Connie Pillage, and I will ask

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<v Speaker 1>her about My first question will be relative to the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty in one case and not the other, plus

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<v Speaker 1>other matters. But Sarah, congratulations on the life you're now leading.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck to you, Thank you, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW