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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. All right,

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we've been ready for the final show, primarily that we're

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going to talk about at least the main fight card

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that we're going to talk about for the month of April,

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and it's a big one in London and its descendants

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of what was a great to fight rivalry back in

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the early nineties as Chris you Bank Junior and Connor

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Band get ready to square off. We're going to preview

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that fight, that entire card, and we have news and

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a lot more here on the latest edition of the program.

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I am the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves, Hello, Cavity Free,

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Dan Rayfield, good to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: Now. You can't just say that and not tell them.

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Speaker 1: What I always love to just stick things in, leave

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breadcrumbs and figure it out. Our insider from Fight Freaktion Night,

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Substack and newsletter Old Disclosure. We have a lot to

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go over. I have had a day and it ain't

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over yet because I had to have a little dental

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work done on this Thursday into Friday because a little

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piece of a filling from many years ago in my

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life broke off, and unfortunately, going to the dentist, he

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looked at it, took an X ray and said, hey,

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he goes, the rest of this is going to break off.

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You got a problem. We're gonna have to take that

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filling out and put a new filling in. I had

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that done today, to which Big Dan comes back strong with,

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go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned it's me before you started taping the show,

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and I was like, wow, you know what's funny. I'm

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a grown man. I've never had a cavity or a

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filling in my entire life, and you thought.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you're an alien. You're an alien. How

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is that possible? No braces for you, No, no cavities.

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The dentist is just an afterthought for you.

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Speaker 2: For the rest of it's been a nightmare job brushing

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my teeth, and fly Gray feel has.

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Speaker 1: Been cruising along like he's you know, he's got uh

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he's got the uh the I know. So in any

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event I had, I've had that going on. We've got

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all kinds of other mayhem, including the NFL draft, your giants,

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my buccaneer steins. So we got to get to this

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boxing because we got the other stuff going on as well.

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Thank you for finding us. All right, so pay attention audience.

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Dan already knows what's coming here. We got two things working.

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Number One, we love you podcast audience, but we need

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There's bribery involved because we realize for most of you

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have a giveaway. And I said to you, do we

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want to give them one of your voluminous artifacts in

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the way of beverages, your cups that you collected for

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I want to give away one of the logoed like

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fight poster room keys from some of the biggest fights

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Speaker 2: Credit card.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that are extra memorabilia items. You said, I don't

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know what I have the most of, but I want

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to give away something cool. And so I said to you, okay,

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we can give something like that away. And you said,

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you mean a what what was the word you used,

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the Yiddish word a chak And I said to you,

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you said, you don't know what a chatchke is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what You were more amazing when I

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said I didn't have any cavity.

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Speaker 1: I'm amazed by both. I'm stunned by both. But I said,

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I know about Jony and Chachi from Happy Days, and

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they even had the short lived show after that, Joni

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loves Chachi, remember that? And you said, no, not Chachi,

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not the characters, the fictitious characters from Happy Days, Chatski right, Chockley, yes,

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which means like what, it's just like a thing, right,

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Speaker 2: I would consider like a credit card room key of

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Speaker 1: That's like a choke chotchke, all right, not Jony and Chocci,

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correct now, Scott Bao, the late Aaron Morgan. So let

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me say this again, as the show has already gone

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urging you go to the YouTube page Big Fight Weekend

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that you've done both, and we're gonna give you a

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chotchkey from the cups, the credit card room key that

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has the fight poster on it.

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Speaker 2: Well, is that what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: We got to pick a winner out of people that

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You might as well go do both and you want

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Speaker 2: Might be a couple of room keys, I got a

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Speaker 1: There could be something else, but for right now, we're

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giving one chotch key away, one artifact away.

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Speaker 2: Very good use of the word shotski.

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Speaker 1: By the way, thank you. We're gonna do that coming

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up on the program. All right, So with all the

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promo stuff out of the way, let's get to the

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meat and potatoes of what we're doing. And by the way,

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there's going to be another reminder of why you need

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program stand by, So first up it is here. We

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have reached fight weekend for Chris Eubank Junior and Connor

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Ben middleweight showdown in London, much anticipated for the better

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part now of what over two years, with Ben having

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failed a drug test right before all of this was

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supposed to go on two years ago. So now they

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have finally gotten everything ironed out two and a half

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years ago. Ben is now eligible to fight Bank and

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we're doing it in London on dizone on pay per view.

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And confirm this just right away straight out. It is

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a pay per view in the United States. It is

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not on free to zone. You touched on this the

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other night, well, because again we got to be careful

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because with Turkey Alashicon and hiszone, they went on and

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on leading up to whatever Saudi fight card that was

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that it was regular to zone until they suddenly said, oh,

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by the way, we've decided it's pay per view.

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't tell you what they're going to

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do on the morning of the fight right now and

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all along it is a DI zone pay per view.

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this battle. But there's bad blood and there's longtime history

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of the dads having fought, and so we realized this

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grudge match. That's a couple of extra years in the

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making because of the controversy of the Connor band failed

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drug test that canceled the fight and then has delayed

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some two and a half two years plus. All right,

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so let's get into it. They are promoting I saw

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some of the press conference earlier on Thursday where they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a long time coming, and I've thought

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about this for a while, ever since this fight was made,

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even before it was canceled back a couple of years ago,

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about how I was trying to think to myself, like

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what fight has gotten more hype and has more bad

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blood and has more interest in Britain anyway, or from

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like their group of people of a non title fight

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of a bigger non title fight in recent times, you know,

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fifteen or twenty years, let's say, where the passion is

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completely irrelevant if it's for a title or not. You know,

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in in essence, they're fighting for the championship of each other,

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They're fighting for the championship of the family.

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Speaker 1: We would relate the Gotti Ward fights didn't have to

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be title fights in the United States? Is there like

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a rule?

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Speaker 2: But no, Matt. Look all due respect to Goddy Ward.

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I mean, you'll never find me to disparage those fights.

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I don't care what you did. They would never sell

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sixty five thousand tickets for that fight.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: This is it sold out Tottenham Hotspur Arena in London.

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And it's because not only have they created their own

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era of bad blood and rivalry and people wanting to

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see them do damage to each other over the last

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couple of years, but it all started because of the

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legendary aspect of what their fathers did. Now, if you

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a lot of folks that listen to the show are

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interested in this fight between their sons who maybe don't

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they know the dadspot, but they never maybe actually watched

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those fights. Now, the first fight was not even televised

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in the United States, but it's readily available on YouTube.

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That was a tremendous battle, and that was Chris Ubank

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scoring a ninth round knockout against Nigel Band in a

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small upset to win the WBO middleweight title. Now, that

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tremendous fight, you know, and obviously begfor rematch it didn't

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big deal. Then you had Don King and you had

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Frank Warren working together to do that event as a

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co promotion, and you know, both guys had held their

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belts for a while. They met to unify, drew a

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gigantic crowd and it was another tremendous battle and it

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turned out to be a draw. So there was controversy

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there and they never did fight the third time. So

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now you got their sons going into it with each other.

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So you Bank, you know whose father was one oh

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to one looking to sort of uphold and extend the

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family domination if you will, over the Ben. So you

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got Connor Ben, who's moving up in weight. He's been

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a welterweight, fought his last two fights and the junior

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middleweight division, but going up to uh, the middleweight middleweight

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class for this fight to try to, you know, get

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the family first win if you will over a U Bank.

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And you know all you got to do is spend

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five seconds watching any of their interactions or or their

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the videos or whatever they've done at the various events.

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Speaker 1: Smashing an egg on somebody's cheek at the press conference.

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So Bank Junior did the Ben.

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Speaker 2: They really really both want this badly now Connor Ben

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to me anyway, and I'm not in their minds or

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their bodies or anything like that. Seems to me he

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not to say you Bank doesn't really want this. I mean,

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he's just I think more of a more of a calm,

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reserved person. Egg Smash notwithstanding, Connor Ben, in my experience

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of watching him and listening to him and having interviewed him,

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he tends to let his emotions hang out a bit

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more than you banked us. So he's kind of really

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wound up about this fight. He's in unbelievable condition. I

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do believe he's clean for this fight because they've been

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testing them like crazy over the last time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there are few guarantees in life, you know,

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death taxes, ray Field is going to be crotchy in

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the morning, and Connor Ben's off whatever to make sure

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this fight's gonna happen. So maybe I'm a little punchy,

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But can I just go back to egg Smash on

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the face? Notwithstanding, did you ever think you and out

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of that? On a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Over the course of Ubank's career, he's always come off

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as a much more chill, reserve kind of guy, at

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least in his public demeanor, and Connor is to me

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much more tightly wound up and much more emotional about

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things obviously when the fight starts. You know, one of

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the key factors in my mind about fighters who can

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reach the very top and become elite is their ability

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to control their emotions. That's a huge part of it,

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to stay calm, to stay poised in the crucible of

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the battle, so to speak. And we'll see, if you know,

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both of them can do that come Saturday, because there's

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gonna be a huge crowd there. There's a lot I

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think both guys feel a lot of pressure from their

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fan bases from there, you know, because of their fathers. Now,

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the father situation is kind of crazy. In this one.

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You've got Nigel ben who's not his son's trainer or

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anything like that, but has got a relationship with him,

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has been there at some of the press conferences, going

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to be their ringside and clearly showing tremendous support for

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his son. Where you have Chris Hubank Senior, who has

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in the past been heavily involved in his son's career

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but hasn't in recent times. And not only is he

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not supposedly not going to be there and hasn't attended

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any of the fight activities in the promotion or the

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fight week that I'm aware of. He's gone out and

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done interviews saying that he doesn't support the fight and

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he doesn't want it to happen, and basically putting it

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in a situation where it's one thing if you don't

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want the fight to happen, but to go out there

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and say the things he's been saying during the lead

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up to the fight, let's around with his son's mind.

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, let's back up, so you

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Bank Senior was very outspoken in and around the time

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of the positive drug test that they should not make

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this fight. That is a cheater, blah blah blah blah blah.

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So this is not to hype the fight. He genuinely

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doesn't I'm asking you, he genuinely doesn't want anything to

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do with this because he apparently genuinely believes his son

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should not be fighting a drug cheat who has scored

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some spectacular knocked out and he's concerned for safety and

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whatever else.

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Speaker 2: I hardly because of the weight rehydration situation. Remember, they

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have the fights that when they did the first deal

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before it got canceled. I forget what the exact way,

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the exact weight was. It was in the like mid

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to high one fifties. This fight now is a one

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to sixty max on the weight you know at the

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weigh in, but they have an agreement where it's a

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ten pound rehydration clause. They're basically following the IBF rules,

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even though this is not in IBA fight. So they

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have to weigh in no more than one sixty on

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the way in day, and then on Saturday morning they

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will have to go back and reweigh and at that

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weigh in that's the second day weigh in. Neither man

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can be more than one hundred and seventy pounds, not

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an issue for Connor Benmore coming up from welterweight, but

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you Bank has consistently rehydrated heavier than that, so there's

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some concern that he won't make the weight. If they

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don't make the weight, there's obviously a tremendous penalty. It's

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like five hundred thousand dollars a pound if he misses weight.

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I mean, that's that's not insignificant.

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Speaker 1: So so you Bank Senior has legitimate concerns. Well, no,

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I would not you bowed all this. I'm not going

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to use the word legitimate. Well, but I mean, if

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he's saying he has said on the record, I heard

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him say this more than a year ago, he should

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not be fighting this guy because this guy is a cheater,

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and he was.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about a year ago. I'm talking about now.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, and if now the rehydration thing is part

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of it, that would make sense as to why he's

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not involved. I'm just saying on my end that one.

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Speaker 2: I also think that Chris you Banks Senior, who I've

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met on a few occasions and was the hell of

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a fighter, is just an odd bird. He just an

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unusual and there's.

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Speaker 1: Some belief, well, we'll use another Southern phrase, his cheese

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may have fallen off his cracker to an extent because

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he's been beating up a bunch and it's long ago,

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and it's he's older. I don't know. I don't know,

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but it's interesting that he's not part of it. Now,

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let's pick it up on this point two points number one.

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How big a factor Connor Bean moving up the middleweight

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when he primarily was fighting at one point seven. That's

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gotta be an issue. A factor in this fight. I'm

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saying that, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Say, I mean, it's a factor maybe based on the

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punching power. I mean, the skills are going to be

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the skills. I don't think the weight's going to have

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that huge of an impact that. I say that because

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having just watched a bunch of his videos where he's

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shown like how he's you know, the workouts and the

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sparring and hitting the bag like he still has that

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snappy quickness to him. He's still going to be a

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faster fighter in the ring. He doesn't carry the power

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in my opinion, Look the drug situation, one would draw

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the inference that if you were using peds, whether it

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was on purpose or by accident, that it's going to

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help you improve your power. That goes without saying performance enhancing.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you take a look at the fights that

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Connor Benn has had since the drug situation happened and

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he got suspended, remember he didn't fight for a while

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from April of twenty twenty two until September of twenty

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twenty three. He didn't fight. That was in the period

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of time where he was just off. They made the

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U Bank fight and it got canceled, and then he

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was having all kinds of issues, you know, as they

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were going through the litigation, if you will, of his

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case with the British regulators. He then was able to

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get a license to fight in the United States on

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a technicality, and so he had two fights in September

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of twenty three and February of twenty four. He came here.

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He won two fights against regular type opponents, Raphael Arosco

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and Peter Dobson, you know, not elite contender types. Went

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the route with both guys, one in a ten rounder,

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one in a twelve rounder, and never one time did

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he show any semblance of real punching power against guys

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who are a step down.

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Speaker 1: And junior middleweights, not even middleweight.

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Speaker 2: They weren't even full Like the Dobson fight he was

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one there was I think it was like a one

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to fifty. One was the contract weight. They both were

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like one fifty. The Eurosco fight was a full fifty

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four pound fight. But the fight before that, which was

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obviously before the layoff, he was fighting like not superstar

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top contenders, but guys who were far more reputable, let's say,

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than the guys he fought at junior middleweight Chris van

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Heerden was a decent contender, drilled him in two rounds.

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Chris al Jery, a former junior welterweight champion. Granted he

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was fighting him as a welterweight, but he put Chris

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Algery out in the fourth round with one of the

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most spectacular knockoutsgo bomb right hand. A couple of fights

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before that. In twenty twenty one, he thought the well

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experienced Samuel Vargas, who had fought some good guys, absolutely

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iced him in the first round. Like that power ain't there.

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You know, Steve Jamoy who is like a decent contender

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even though he didn't have, you know, a big reputation,

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but had fought some good opponents, you know, had a

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bunch of losses, but still put him out in the

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fourth round. That power. Again, I don't know this for

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a fact, but it wouldn't be out of the realm

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to say, hey, if a guy was using peds, maybe

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that's why he's getting those kind of knockouts. And when

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he stopped using peds, whether it's on purpose or by accident,

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the power is not there. So now you go to middleweight,

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you're fighting a legitimate professional quality opponent Chris Ubank, who's

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been in the ring with lots of good guys. He's

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taken a couple of losses, only stopped one time, you know,

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coming off the win against Zara Metta, where he punished

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him and easily knocked him out. But before that he

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had split the two fights with Liam Smith. But the rematch,

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you know, he looked really good in that fight to

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avenge the knockout loss that he took to Smith earlier

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in twenty twenty three. And you question if you didn't

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have the power at one fifty four against you know,

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normal type opponents, and you look at the knockouts a

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welterweight that you suspect may have been because of peds.

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We don't know for sure. Obviously, how's he going to

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do when you suspect he's going to be clean because

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of all the testing, and you're fighting at another higher

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way class and by the way, your opponent is a

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bona fide world class type of vice.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, so there's a lot of question mark,

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all right, So one more question on this, then we're

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going to move along to the to the rest of

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the card, et cetera. You go back and you watch

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the beginning of Fight one with the Dads now thirty

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five years ago, and it's on. It's not to the

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level of Hagler Hearns, but I mean they're throwing bombs

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right away. Do you anticipate we may see that? Are

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we likely to see that? Sorry night where they come

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out and it's not. Let's test some things, let's go slow,

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feel out process, check the range with the jab.

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Speaker 2: You think I always I always like to think that,

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no matter how dicey and how nasty and how acrimonious

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a build up, is that the guys who are doing

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the boxing are professionals and that they understand that it

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doesn't make sense just run us out there and just

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you know, throw everything caution to the wind right off

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the bat. But you would have probably said that a

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guy like a Hagler or Hearns also you know, seasoned

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professional champions, and they just didn't wait. So I really

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don't know the answer. I could see them dumbing out

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and being uh not, I would say cautious but smart,

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you know, seeing what's out, seeing what's up, and knowing

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it's a long fight, knowing you got twelve rounds and

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not trying to get it over with them thirty seconds.

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But given the deep, deep, deep nature of this build up,

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and there are times where I've watched fights and you

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know that the stuff that's going on between the fighters

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is just to hype the fight, I guess. And while

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that's probably part of this, I do believe there's a deep.

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Speaker 1: There Erke in particular.

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Speaker 2: And it goes back thirty five years to the fathers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, in particular. You bank you're jilted the week of

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the fight by Ben flunking the drug tests, and I.

474
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Speaker 2: Mean the bad blood between the dads was amazing. Now,

475
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,200
I mean again, you should go back people who didn't

476
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,200
see this when this is how big the first fight

477
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,759
between them was, or maybe I forget it was the

478
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first part of the second fight, but whatever it was.

479
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,640
They did the contract signing, it's like it was like WWE.

480
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,279
They did the contract signing live on television in the UK,

481
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and they sat the next to each other, and I

482
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swear you can find them. I've watched the video on YouTube.

483
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They won't even look at each other. They're like slightly

484
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sitting to the side and talking to the to the moderator,

485
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but they won't even acknowledge.

486
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Speaker 1: The genuine heat yehue.

487
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Speaker 2: So to answer the question, I really have no idea.

488
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I could see them as intelligent fighters, knowing what's at stake,

489
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not wanting to risk anything, uh, at least in the

490
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beginning to go out there cautious to try to see

491
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what's in front of them. But then maybe the the

492
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the animosity, the the long wait to try to get

493
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,799
hands on each other is just too much to overcome,

494
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and they just go out there and bomb away.

495
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Speaker 1: And the atmosphere because again we'll elymphasize sixty five thousand

496
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in a soccer or football stadium, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, it's

497
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going to be electric.

498
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Speaker 2: Lit, and the atmosphere we got sixty five drunk Brits.

499
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You can't really kind of escape that.

500
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Speaker 1: It's going to be off art let's see, all right,

501
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,880
So that again, that will be very intriguing for Saturday night.

502
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We remind you that we did not have a bet

503
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us live show last week because the Easter weekend and

504
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,680
holiday for their crew. We will handicap this fight. Ben

505
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,640
and U Bank with predictions one Eastern time on Friday.

506
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,839
First mention of that one Eastern time on the bet

507
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Us platforms, YouTube, Twitter, et cetera for Ben and U Bank.

508
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,039
So on the undercard, we've got a guy that's intertwined

509
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with U Bank in that he scored a shocking stoppage

510
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,759
of U Bank in their first fight, but then U

511
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,000
Bank knocked him out in the revenge fight. That's Liam Smith.

512
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Liam Smith fighting an undefeated, not well known outside the

513
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UK fighter named Aaron McKenna, an Irish fighter. And then

514
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I've got to say the more intriguing I think on

515
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000
the undercard is the two light heavyweights, Anthony Yard and

516
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Lyndon Arthur fighting for a third time. They both recently

517
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have challenged in the last couple of years for world titles.

518
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Grudge match for them, So what else on the undercard

519
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,799
stands out to you well?

520
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Speaker 2: With Smith and McKenna. McKenna actually he's an Irish fighter,

521
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but he fought a lot of fights for the first

522
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part of his career in the United States on a

523
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prospect on an undercard because he was with Golden Boy

524
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,920
for a while and he was with Freddie Roach for

525
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,640
a while. So if you paid attention to those shows,

526
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,599
you definitely have seen McKenna. But he's developing. He's nineteen

527
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,279
to zero, and this is like the This is like

528
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what they say in the business, at the Crossroads fight.

529
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You got the young guy who's like twenty five years

530
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,599
old and undefeated prospect trying to make his way up

531
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,839
the ladder. This is the first time he's going to

532
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,359
be taken on like a top notch like well known,

533
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,279
you know, legit guy in Liam Smith, who's a former

534
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,680
champion at one hundred and fifty four pounds now is

535
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,839
fighting at one sixty for the last couple of years

536
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,240
and has had some success there. Even though you mentioned

537
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he got knocked out by U Bank in the rematch.

538
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,920
So his big win since he's been at middleweight came

539
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,079
in January of twenty twenty three, which was when he

540
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:08,720
surprisingly Even if you thought he would win the fight,

541
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I don't think anybody thought he's gonna just knock out

542
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:13,640
you Banked and do it early, which he did. He

543
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,839
had him down twice and it was a legit stoppage

544
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,079
stopped him in the fourth round. They had an immediate

545
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,519
rematch that took place later that year September of twenty three,

546
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,000
and in that particular fight, the tables were reversed and

547
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U Bank ultimately knocked him out in the tenth round. Now,

548
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,119
if if you believe Liam Smith, he's been talking about

549
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,519
how look, I know I was horrible in that fight.

550
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,160
You want to say whatever you want, but here's the deal.

551
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720
I came into that fight, I was ill, probably shouldn't

552
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,119
have fought the fight, and it showed him my performance.

553
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,960
I'll take him at his word, not to say that

554
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:43,759
the result would have been any different. But if you're ill,

555
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,960
you're ill. So he hasn't fought though in nineteen months

556
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,759
since that fight. Ye. So now he's coming in the

557
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,440
ring against McKenna, who's stepping up to fight his first

558
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,839
you know, let's call him his first, like no notable

559
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,359
opponent of his career. I've looked over his record and

560
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,240
he's fought absolutely nobody at this point. And so, you know,

561
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,200
this is what's the old saying TJ. It's where the

562
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,519
rubber hits the road. Right, one guy's either either either

563
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,960
people are going to leave the weekend probably saying McKenna

564
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,640
it was not all that that people were making out

565
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,759
to be, or others will look at it. If if

566
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,359
Smith does what he's supposed to do and say he

567
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,559
just beat a good prospect and he's back on track

568
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200
and he can contend in a middleweight division TJ by

569
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,319
the way, where we've talked many times that does not

570
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,480
have stars. And keep in mind, by the way we

571
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,519
talked about how the main event between you Bank and

572
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,599
Ben is a non title fight, it's still the biggest

573
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:31,480
fight in the division because the guys that have belts

574
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:34,160
don't have that kind of massive follow We've discussed the

575
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,400
Jane beec his lack of popularity or or you know,

576
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,160
a fan base, least in the United States. I can't

577
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,960
speak to how it is in terms of where he

578
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160
is from in Kazakhstan. But the middleweight division, you know,

579
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,839
not a big deal. Laura, nobody is not doesn't have

580
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,599
a fan base really and doesn't fight very frequently. Carlos

581
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000
a damas good fighter, but again doesn't fight. So the

582
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,039
guys that have had the bigger names in the division,

583
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,519
you know Shiraz who's now moving up in wait, but

584
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359
the next biggest names are U Bank and I guess

585
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,359
now Ben who's joining the middleweight division. But Liam Smith

586
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has been as stalwart over the last couple of years,

587
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and he's a well known fighter, and he does have

588
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,319
a fan base. So this is a big This is

589
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,920
a big moment for both of Liam Smith and or

590
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,200
Aaron McKennon, because the winner is moving on for different reasons.

591
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,440
McKenna can emerge from prospect status with a win over

592
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,599
a very respected fighter like Liam Smith. And of Lilliam

593
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,880
Smith wins, he's puts himself back on track after a

594
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,079
rough loss in the U Bank rematch to Uh. You know,

595
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,039
mix with anybody at middleweight. You know, let's say Connor

596
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,799
Ben wins. Maybe he decides they want us do the fight.

597
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,359
Even though Connor has talked about winning this fight at

598
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,480
middleweight and returning to the welterweight division. I believe that

599
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,079
one I see it.

600
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Speaker 1: Uh.

601
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Speaker 2: So that's that's the intrigue of the co feature. And

602
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,599
you mentioned about Anthony Yard and Lyndon Arthur. This is

603
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,519
like a weird This is a weird one because they've

604
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,920
had the trilogy and they split the two fights. So

605
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,559
if you go back to twenty twenty, this was like

606
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
a big shocker. This was like for the Commonwealth title,

607
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,920
which is very traditional in Britain, and you had Lyndon

608
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Arthur and Uh and UH and already having their fight

609
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,359
and it turned out that Yard lost by a split decision. Now,

610
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,680
one thing about Yard is most of the time when

611
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,279
he's in the ring, he's knocking guys out or getting

612
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,319
knocked out. So for him to even go the route,

613
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,759
you know, it was a little surprising. He's only been

614
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,319
the route twice in his whole career in twenty six wins,

615
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:17,640
you know, and obviously in three three losses, but two

616
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,759
of them by knockout. He's like a feast or famine

617
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,759
kind of guy. He's either fighting like nobody type opponents

618
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,000
or he's fighting the top guys like he fought two

619
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,799
world title fights. He got stopped by, you know, by

620
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
COVID eleven, a world title fight back a few years ago.

621
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,079
He got iced by Arthur better Be having a really

622
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,160
good fight for the light heavyweight title back in twenty

623
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,559
twenty three. But anyway, when they did the rematch against Arthur,

624
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,359
he did knock him out in the fourth round. That

625
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,160
was in twenty twenty one. So now you go a

626
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,559
few more years down the road, and for whatever reason

627
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,720
is they're one and one, maybe there's a movement to

628
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,680
see them have you know, a rubber match because they're

629
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,160
one and one and Lyndon Arthur he's got two losses,

630
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,240
not really fought the top guys. He did. You know

631
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,279
Liam Cameron, who we talked about will beat, who had

632
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,640
had that draw with Ben Whitaker and then got knocked

633
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880
out by him over this past weekend. He just beat

634
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,759
him in his last fight, but that was a split decision.

635
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:09,799
He didn't really look particularly great in that fight. In

636
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,599
the fight before that was his biggest fight of his career.

637
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,400
He got absolutely whitewashed one to one oh seven and

638
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:21,160
got knocked down challenging Dmitri biebo For who was at

639
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,400
the time the WBA light heavyweight champion. So this is

640
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,160
like one of those toss up kind of fights where

641
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,559
you know, I think I like Yard to do the

642
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,799
job because you know, the split decision was real close.

643
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,799
He did score the knockout. Arthur has not really been

644
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,920
uh look strong, let's say, in his other fights, even

645
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,519
though he does have the win. So you know, whatever

646
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,880
we'll see they're fighting for to see who wins this

647
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,759
particular they.

648
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Are staying there was a championship relevant potentially, that's one

649
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,559
of them. The winner of this fight stays relevant for

650
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,200
right now in the light heavyweight division. And I think, uh,

651
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,240
and again we fully understand you and I are Americans.

652
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:58,759
Were doing this in the United States. This is a

653
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,519
bigger deal in UK for these two and it's in

654
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,880
front of what will be a building sixty five thousand

655
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,559
at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. So let's let's see what happens

656
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,880
sing and what else. Chris Billem Smith returns off the

657
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,400
loss to Zerdo Ramirez, right.

658
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: He yeah, he got one else. He lost the decision

659
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,680
into to Zerto back in November. That was to unify

660
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,680
the WBA and the WBO titles at cruiserweight, and he

661
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,599
lost the decision, but he got beat up pretty good

662
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,400
in that fight against Zero. That was the Latino Night

663
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,000
cardon read of course, because if you're having a Mexican

664
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,200
fight against a brit you gotta do the unification on Latino.

665
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Latina Night. Yeah.

666
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,599
Speaker 2: So he's he's trying to bounce back from that after that.

667
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,599
Not a long lay off, only about five six months.

668
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,079
He's fighting Brandon Glanton, who was twenty and two with seventeen.

669
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,839
He's an American fighter, doesn't have big names on his record,

670
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,599
has a couple of losses, but against guys you wouldn't

671
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:55,799
even recognize their names. This seems like it's a I'm

672
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:57,880
not going to say it's an easy fight because Bill Smith,

673
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,920
you know, oftentimes, no matter who the opponent doesn't make

674
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,119
it really that easy on himself. But this is clearly

675
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,920
designed to get Bill and Smith back into the mix

676
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,039
in a cruiserweight title fight. It'll be up to Glanton

677
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,920
to see if he can deal with a guy with

678
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,839
a lot more experience against a better caliber of opponent.

679
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,279
And obviously you're fighting in Bill Smith's home country where

680
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,039
he's going to be the big crowd favorite. And the

681
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,519
other fight that's on the card, which again this is

682
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,039
more of a you know, it's a very British center card. Obviously,

683
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,720
this is a cruiserweight fight between the dal Riley who

684
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,240
is twelve and zero seven, who has been getting a

685
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,960
tremendous amount of hype from boxer. He's taken on chev Clark,

686
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,559
who just has the one loss, who's ten and one,

687
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,400
but he's coming off of a split decision where he

688
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,640
lost in a europe for the European title. So these

689
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,519
are guys who are at a certain level in the

690
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,279
British hierarchy, if you will, who are really looking to

691
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,359
take the next step, and the guy that wins this

692
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,759
will be successful in that particular endeavor and the loser

693
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,640
obviously takes a big step backwards.

694
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: All right, Again, we will handicap the main event, will

695
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000
also handicap the Yard Arthur fight on the bet Us

696
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,559
Boxing Show coming at one Eastern time on that that's

697
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,799
the biggest primary fight card worldwide.

698
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: Really the only fight cardute this weekend, right.

699
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,799
Speaker 1: Of this weekend. So we'll have more on that. All right,

700
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,559
So to the fight news as we progress along here

701
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,759
on the pod. Hey, I thought that Gervante Davis and

702
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680
Lamont Roach were rare to go, ready to go for

703
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,720
June and June twenty first specifically, But I crack open

704
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,160
my Dan Raphael substack the fight for each Unite substack

705
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,759
earlier this week. And wait a minute, not so fast,

706
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:37,200
my friend, we are now not fighting in June. And

707
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,039
what's going on? What happened here? And why is the

708
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,559
fight now going to be later in the summer? Apparently?

709
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: What do we know? Well, they were looking at June

710
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160
twenty first, It wasn't like official, They had never announced

711
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,079
a date. They were on the agenda for the Nevada

712
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,920
State up Atic Commission meeting to have that date at

713
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,559
the Tmobile Arena for a pay per view, but that's

714
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,400
not necessarily indicative that it will happen. Because promoters request

715
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:04,519
dates all the time, it's usually a good indicator, but

716
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,720
it doesn't officially mean it's happening. And for whatever the reason,

717
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,880
the way it was said to me was that they

718
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,880
just weren't ready yet to do the fight that soon.

719
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,320
But I was reassured by both sides that both guys

720
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,519
are in. Both guys have agreed that that the pape,

721
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,719
you know, there was a rematch clause, so the terms

722
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,639
are already laid out. Everything was set for that, So

723
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,599
now it's just a matter of as PBC pieces together

724
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,119
their summer schedule. They will not do the fight on

725
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,199
June twenty first, and they plan to do this fight

726
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,360
on some date that is to be determined in July

727
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,840
or I guess, probably still in Vegas, although I'm told

728
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,480
it's possible they may go elsewhere, but you can I

729
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,559
would say it's probably a good bet that'll be in Vegas.

730
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
And they're planning out the rest of their other events

731
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,599
for the summer pay per views that you know could

732
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,119
include but not necessarily you know, they're talking about doing

733
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,360
possibly doing the the the Uh, the Tim Zoo, and

734
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,320
Keith Thurman fight, which has been heavily discussed. There's the

735
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,639
possibility of them doing Fundora Fundora in the Mandatory Science SIUs.

736
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,440
But there's also been some conversation that because Fundora, I mean,

737
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,800
I'd rather Zoo when he lost to Fundora, he had

738
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,880
the right to a rematch, but it didn't have to

739
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440
be next there could be an intervening bout, and you

740
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:21,800
have had Fundor take his intervening bout now, which was

741
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,360
the win over Courtnel Booker a few weeks ago. So

742
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,199
there's a possibility that they made dispense with the Therman fight,

743
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,559
and if Zdow wants to have the rematch, that may

744
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,039
be a possibility. If that happens, probably Fundora would have

745
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,800
to give up the WBO title because he's owed the

746
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,079
he was the mandatory Disaander's eyes. So the point is

747
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,960
there's a lot of stuff in PBC land that's not

748
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,679
one hundred percent squared away and settled in. So they're

749
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,079
working through all that. But I believe, based on everything

750
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,480
I have talked to again on both sides, that Roach

751
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,000
and Tank will happen. It's just a matter it's not

752
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:55,480
if it's when, whether it be July or August. And

753
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,000
you know, having fights get backed up a little bit

754
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,000
is never a surprise in this business. App off, this

755
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:04,679
is this When I hear original dates like June twenty first,

756
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:06,639
the first thing in my mind is, okay, it's not

757
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,719
gonna be June twenty first, Right when when the fight

758
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280
was over, Remember at the postfight press cards, after they

759
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,719
had that very controversial draw, you had Tank Davis saying

760
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,119
he'd like to get back in the ring in May.

761
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,840
I'm like, settled down, it's not happened. It's not happening

762
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,360
in May June. Maybe I always sort of thought it

763
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,679
would get pushed a little bit deeper.

764
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Tay, but Tank Denis kept saying he's gonna fight three

765
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,280
times in twenty twenty five. We're running out of twenty

766
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,320
twenty five if you don't fight till like August, and

767
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
all right, so just elaborate for one more moment and

768
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,159
then we'll move on. Is it a question that they

769
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,400
may not fight in Vegas? Because remember you went to

770
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,320
Great Links and we talked about it. It made sense

771
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,639
this fight might make more sense to be in Baltimore's

772
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,079
slash Washington, DC. But instead they didn't even end up

773
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,000
fighting there for the first fight they fought in New

774
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,920
York at the Barkley Center. Is it an issue with

775
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:55,920
where the fight might be.

776
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,119
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that. I don't think the venue

777
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,519
is the issue. I mean, I think they still are

778
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,079
like to look at not the venue.

779
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: But just maybe they're thinking of fighting in DC or Baltimore,

780
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,480
is what I thought.

781
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: I had not heard that. I mean, I personally would

782
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,400
love to see that, but I don't think that's the case.

783
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,639
I just feel like they know that from a financial perspective,

784
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,320
there's a lot more money to be made in Vegas

785
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,039
and in either DC or Baltimore. Even though either venue

786
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,360
in Baltimore or DC would generate a lot of money.

787
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,400
The problem in d C is they can't go to

788
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,440
the Capitol One Arena, which is, you know, Washington d

789
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,039
C's downtown version of like you know the Madison Square

790
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,400
Gardener Crypto in LA. It's where the Wizards play, where

791
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,599
the Capitols play Georgetown basketball. But right now that building

792
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
is essentially closed for the summer because it's undergoing like

793
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,920
an eight hundred million dollar renovation. When you know, not

794
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,360
to bog down in Washington and Virginia politics, but I'm

795
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
familiar with it because I live in the area. There

796
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,039
was a time when our governor of Virginia was looking

797
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,159
to do a deal to build a new, big arena

798
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,639
for those franchises and do it in northern Virginia, which

799
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,079
which is like, I don't want that in my neighborhood,

800
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,760
so get out of here, And it ended up getting

801
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,320
shot down.

802
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: Our local field was lobbying against it. He was paying

803
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,400
a lobbyists against that.

804
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, not in my backyard, as they say.

805
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

806
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,599
Speaker 2: And then, by the way, d C is a great

807
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,920
city and they have a you know, the the arena

808
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,360
needs some renovation, but it's in a great area of

809
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,920
the city. There's plenty around there to do it's it's lively.

810
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,599
Uh you know, it's it's in the Chinatown area. It's

811
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,920
sort of not that far from the White House anyway.

812
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,639
So in the end they worked at a deal where

813
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,239
they got that project out of Potomac Yards, which is

814
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,840
where they were trying to do this new facility, and

815
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,639
they did. They made a deal with the city where

816
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,320
they're going to renovate that arena and that renovation is

817
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,880
going to largely happen over the summer, so that counted

818
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,079
out that arena as a possible host for this, uh,

819
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,280
this rematch. So yeah, it's probably gonna still wind up

820
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440
in Vegas, but you never know if somebody comes up

821
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,159
with a reason or financial reason to go elsewhere.

822
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: And so stay tuned on what they announced, and that's

823
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,000
gonna dovetail into your reporting that Top Rank and PBC

824
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,519
have been discussing and it looks like it may be

825
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,599
part whenever it happens of Tank Roach, the rematch and

826
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,960
the call did O'shaki Foster and Steven Fulton are gonna fight?

827
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,679
So what else have you learned this week about Foster

828
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,679
and Stephen Fulton unified a situation? Well, actually, uh, Foster's

829
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,800
junior lightweight champion, uh and Fulton is the featherweight champion.

830
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,119
What else have you learned? And is it for sure?

831
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,280
Nothing's ever for sure, but is it very likely it's

832
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,119
going to be part of the Tank Roach card.

833
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: So I've ditched and moan on this show before that

834
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:32,159
I'm annoyed that Top Rank because they had the opportunity

835
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,079
with guys in an optional period where they could have

836
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:39,480
done the unification between O'shaki Foster and Emmanuel Naverette, who

837
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:41,960
both hold one hundred and thirty pounds titles. They promote

838
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,400
both guys, so it's contrasting styles. Both guys have said

839
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,719
they want unification and instead they matched Naverette with a

840
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,400
guy you never heard of and O'shaki didn't have anything

841
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,960
lined up, and again both guys were in an optional period.

842
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,519
As it turns out, one of the fights that they've

843
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,800
been talking about with PBC, who they're also talking about.

844
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,840
You know, I mentioned Fondora versus Eyes is another top

845
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,840
rank PBC kind of show, and they've made the point that,

846
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,480
you know, when it makes sense, they're going to try

847
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,400
to work with each other a bit more so. They

848
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,639
they have made a deal for Foster to defend against Fulton.

849
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,800
Now Fulton, he has had a title at one twenty two.

850
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,920
In November he won or no, when was it February

851
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,159
that he won the WBC title at featherweight. He moved

852
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,320
up and had the rematch with Brandon with Brandon Figueroa,

853
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,039
and he won that fight, so he became a three

854
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,119
division champion. That was February first, that was on one

855
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:34,760
of the you know, the pay per views out in Vegas.

856
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,960
He doesn't want to stick around and defend that title,

857
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,639
so he wants to go up to one thirty. So

858
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,639
they were able to come to an agreement to do

859
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,840
this fight where where they would have him go up

860
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,559
and fight Oshaki Foster, and they are sort of penciling

861
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:49,880
that in. Again, it's not done yet, it's not signed yet.

862
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,079
This is just what the plan is, but the fighters

863
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,119
and the companies are on board to do the fight

864
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,760
and PBC would like to do the match, and Top

865
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,159
Rank is amenable to having the bout take place as

866
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,480
the co feature when Lamont Roach and Gervonta Davis have

867
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,159
the rematch. And it's sort of an interesting situation because

868
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,239
in that fight, you have Fulton featherweight going up one

869
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,719
way class to try to win a title in another

870
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,480
way class, so he's a reigning title or at featherweight

871
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,599
challenging at one thirty, and in the main event, you

872
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,960
have a one to thirty champion in Roach, you know,

873
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,880
fighting against again at one thirty five trying to win

874
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,559
that title. So it's, you know, two guys from champions

875
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
in one way class, both moving up to win or

876
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,719
to try to win a title another weak clas I

877
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,440
thought that would be for Roach the second in a

878
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:31,280
row because he had the draw in the first fight.

879
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,239
But again, they still got to go through. They got

880
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,440
to figure out one hundred percent when the fight's going

881
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,239
to take place. That may dictate what happens with Foster

882
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,599
and Fulton, but the fact is they have a deal.

883
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,440
And you know, anytime you have two world champions fighting

884
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,280
each other, even if they're from different weight classes, it's

885
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:47,960
not a bad thing.

886
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: There is intrigue, and they're down the road on that.

887
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,679
Speaker 2: I still rather have seen Navarette against Foster.

888
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: Though I'm with you on that. I have I have

889
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,880
long thought that Navarante should be in bigger, better fights,

890
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,280
but we aren't charge of that. We can't wave the

891
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,840
magic wand are continuing. We have news from the IBF

892
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,719
and Daniel Dubois and the IBF says, okay, the mandatory

893
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000
fight with Derek, Oh god, I can't say it straight.

894
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,840
Voye Derek Chasa is supposed to happen. But there is

895
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,000
a butt here. Fill in the butt please, Dan Rayfield.

896
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: Okay. This is not in any way a surprise. This

897
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,159
was expected. The IBF said this would take place. They

898
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,599
just hit the time on the calendar and the IBF

899
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,440
it's like they set that shit in their phone alerts,

900
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,119
and as soon as the deadline hits, the Championship committee

901
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:39,679
guys send out the notifications to start negotiations. So like clockwork,

902
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,960
on April twenty second, the was mandatory became due, so

903
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,119
as soon as that happened, they sent out the official notification,

904
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,639
and it so happened that number two, Derek Chasaura was

905
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,480
the highest available contender and try to follow. It's a

906
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,199
little confusing, but I as I've said before, I've read

907
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,519
the rule book. I know the rules, and it's like

908
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:00,400
I'm the guy that reads the box top you're playing

909
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:00,920
the board game.

910
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: I knowed that before go ahead.

911
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: In the IBF they endeavored to do an elimination fight

912
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,159
to determine the mandatory. But if the clock expires before

913
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,320
that fight's gotten to be arranged, whoever is the highest

914
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,079
ranked guy gets the spot as the mandatory. So in

915
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,119
this case they were supposed to do. If you remember,

916
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,679
the IBF had sanctioned Martin Bacoley against Faa Jagba that

917
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,639
was going to be the eliminator to the German number

918
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:27,679
one and who was going to be the next official challenger.

919
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,039
But when Bacoley got knocked the fuck out, he was

920
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,920
out of the picture. They're still doing the fight on

921
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,840
the Canelo Alvarez and Williams skullcard next week, but it's

922
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,119
no longer obviously going to be an IBF eliminator because

923
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,679
the ibf' is not going to Sanctent after Bacoley walked

924
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,039
away from their order and took a fight with another

925
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,079
organization and also got knocked out, So that was the

926
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,360
eliminator fight. And before this time frame expired to get

927
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,199
the elimination fight done, there was no time to schedule

928
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
that fight. So now the clock expires, and lo and behold,

929
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,760
there is Derek Tasaur riding a three fight win streak

930
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
against decent guys, actually Joe you know, he beat Joe Joyce,

931
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,880
he beat Gerald Washington. He just beat Otto Valleying, so

932
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,360
he as the highest available contender in the IBF rankings,

933
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,440
got the mandatory spot. I know it's pissing people off.

934
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,800
I'm not loving it either. I'm just explaining to you

935
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,519
the mechanism by which it happened, according to.

936
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,039
Speaker 1: The ore's one other variable, and I'm looking this up

937
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,599
while you and I are talking on them.

938
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,519
Speaker 2: Let me let me finish why what the story is

939
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,239
with this all right? Yeah, you all those who are

940
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,400
worried that this fight is gonna happen and that SWA

941
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,320
doesn't deserve the title shot, everybody just relaxed. It ain't

942
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,159
gonna happen. That's like a ninety nine percent because because

943
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:42,800
because Queensberry Promotions is the promoter for TASAA, they're also

944
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,239
the promoter for Daniel Dubois. Daniel Dubois is deep. Both

945
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,519
sides are deep and nearly done, not done yet, but

946
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,079
getting there. Between Usik and Dubois to do a remash.

947
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,199
It would take place in July at Wembley Stadium. That

948
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,280
would once again be for the undisputed title that Usik

949
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,920
already had won but was forced to vacate the IBF

950
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,599
because he was already contractorally obligated to the Tyson Furior

951
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,840
rematch and the IBF, you know, does IBF things, So

952
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,639
that fight is probably going to get done and happen.

953
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,320
And the reason why he doesn't have to worry about

954
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,800
the mandatory is because one of the IBF rules that

955
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,639
I love, even though there's a lot that I don't,

956
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:20,840
says that if you want to do a unification fight,

957
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,679
that will take precedence over a mandatory fight with the

958
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,880
caveat though is you have to make that request before

959
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,840
the purspit is ordered. So when they sent out that

960
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,039
letter saying that the two sides between Cheshora and Duwa

961
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,960
should begin negotiations and gave them thirty days, now the

962
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,239
clock is ticking, so they have thirty days max to

963
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,679
get the deal done for Usak and Dua, so we

964
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,960
can go to the IBF a request an exception. Because

965
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,360
as soon as that expires and that thirty days is

966
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,159
up and the IBF sends out the letter saying, now

967
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,880
you haven't reached an agreement, here's the deal on a purspit.

968
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,280
Now his window to ask for the exception is expired

969
00:45:58,519 --> 00:45:59,920
and he will not be allowed to do that. Now

970
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,280
he could still fight Lusik in the rematch, but the

971
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,840
IBF title would become vacant.

972
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,079
Speaker 1: And that's the whole reason that Usik wants to fight

973
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:08,719
him again basically is to become undisputed again because he

974
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,159
beat him the first time. I'm just saying.

975
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: And the biggest reason why it's not an issue is

976
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,360
because Frank Warren promotes both guys, so he doesn't have

977
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,960
to worry about another rogue promoter who is promoting Chesa,

978
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,280
you know, messing up the deal for the.

979
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: The Okay, now you explained all that beautifully. Now I'm

980
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,159
gonna get to my point. The stupidity, the stewgury of

981
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,599
the IBF having Derek rank as their second best heavyweight

982
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,920
is why we're in this mess in the first place.

983
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: You know this.

984
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,039
Speaker 1: I'm not lecturing.

985
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 2: I agree, but let me can I just make one correction? Sure,

986
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,760
and everybody should always remember this and understand this. Whenever

987
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,840
you look at boxing rankings, it's not that they consider

988
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:54,000
this fighter second best, third best. It's availability and if

989
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,599
they meet certain criteria of having fought in those types

990
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:57,000
of device.

991
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: I being the IBF, He's number has the number two,

992
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,159
and it's not the number two that you and I

993
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,119
know or that number two. They have the number two

994
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,039
next to Derek Chasaura's name. They don't have it next

995
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,239
to Philip Hergovich's name, or Faa Jagma's name, or even

996
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,360
some of the young up and comers like Moses Atama

997
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,199
or somebody else. They have it next to Derek Chasaura's name.

998
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: I must submit to you that's Derek Chasa is more

999
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:26,679
qualified to fight for heavyweight tittle than Moses Atama.

1000
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,559
Speaker 1: Well that might be, but if Moses Atama fought Derek Gesra,

1001
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,679
you ain't taking Chasra and I'm not either, So you

1002
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,639
can talk about more qualified right now, I get it.

1003
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,559
So Okay, We've spent a lot of time on this,

1004
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,559
and the most important thing is what you said there

1005
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,400
towards the end. This doesn't matter anyway because Dubois is

1006
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,199
going to end up fighting Usik and Chosaura is gonna

1007
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,159
be okay with it because they'll compensate him, get him

1008
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,559
another fight. And Chasaur is forty years old, am I

1009
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,679
not mistaken? And he's taken brain damage from other fights

1010
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,719
and other losses, including Tyson Fury turning him into an

1011
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,119
ever last bag. He turned him into a punching bag

1012
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,800
when he fought for the WBC time. All right, so

1013
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,960
we have all that cover, uh, Moving on in the news.

1014
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaking of idiocy, Let's talk about the WBA.

1015
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,599
Speaker 2: That's one of your great segues of all time.

1016
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: I try, you said earlier in the pod Hall of

1017
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Fame line smashing an egg on someone's face. Notwithstanding, now

1018
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,119
I say, speaking of idiocy, let's talk about the WBA

1019
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,000
and Raphael I'm coming with I'm coming with two fists

1020
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,199
on this. Figuratively, what is this crap about. We have

1021
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,000
to have a vacant regular title fight for Ryan Garcia

1022
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:45,039
and Roly Romero for the WBA's vacant regular title. The

1023
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,719
WBA champion is Jaron Ennis from a couple of weeks ago,

1024
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,519
not last year, not last year, from a couple of

1025
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:55,719
weeks ago. You don't have to have a vacant regular champion,

1026
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,440
and you you need to bang the drum that you have,

1027
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,440
use the hammer of Thoor and keep calling them out

1028
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,760
about this stupidity and this stewgury of secondary titles which

1029
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,199
they said years ago, years ago, that they were doing

1030
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,880
away with, and they are more than demonstrating, for whatever reason,

1031
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,199
financial corruption, whatever you want to call it, they're going

1032
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,159
to keep having these regular titles. You should keep You

1033
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:22,280
should blast louder.

1034
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, longer on it. They're doing this because they

1035
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,039
were asked if they would sanction this fight. They want

1036
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:32,119
to give they meaning the folks putting on the event,

1037
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,760
Golden Boy Turkey, everybody involved, the ring magazine, to give

1038
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,400
it some sort of gravitas whatever. Ryan Garcia is a

1039
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,119
star name. I don't think he needs a title associated

1040
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:43,320
with that.

1041
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: There isn't three people that are interested in this because

1042
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,920
it's a vacant regular title.

1043
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,679
Speaker 2: We know that I get it. So the bottom line

1044
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,719
is and then, by the way, this is not a

1045
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,840
surprise all along. This is always was going to be

1046
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,800
for this belt. It's just that the WBA finally put

1047
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,239
out the formal resolution announcing that yes, in fact, it

1048
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,000
is sanctioned in outlining some parameters to that agreement. So

1049
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,840
it will, for better or worse, this will be for

1050
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,079
that belt. Down Let's go over a couple of things

1051
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,199
about that. Besides even the preposterousness of the whole concept

1052
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:18,480
of the secondary title is the fact that Ryan Garcia

1053
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,079
getting this kind of opportunity is a sick, fucking joke. Okay,

1054
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,599
I'd have no problem with the fighting roller Romero. That's

1055
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:28,519
fine and dandy. Ryan Garcia is now one or two

1056
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,400
days removed from the end of his suspension for ped

1057
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,639
use that cost him a no contest, you know, a

1058
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,719
victory into a no contest for the victory that changed

1059
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,639
to no contest. He had a year ago against against

1060
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Devin Haney where he didn't even qualify to fight for

1061
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,719
the belt that was at stake, which was the WBC's

1062
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,239
junior welterweight title, because he was so over the over

1063
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,880
the weight limit. So he's never had an actual welterweight fight.

1064
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Technically that was in the welterweight division, but this is

1065
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,079
supposed to be the first row fight, so they're giving

1066
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,119
him a title fight off of a no contest for

1067
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:06,280
a drug suspension and having never fought a real fight

1068
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,239
in the welterweight division. That's the first issue. The second

1069
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840
issue is even take a look at Roly Romero. Roly

1070
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,199
Romero has since he got knocked out by Gervanta Davis

1071
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,639
in a lightweight fight back in twenty twenty two, and

1072
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,039
then moved up in weight had the highly controversial victory

1073
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:28,119
against Ishmael Barroso you know, everybody's grandpa that he didn't

1074
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,800
deserve the way the fight was stopped. He then in

1075
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,119
his next fight and that got him a belt. In

1076
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,320
his next fight, he lost that belt that one forty

1077
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,239
by knockout against Isaac Cruz, and he looked absolutely horrible

1078
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,920
in that fight in losing and being completely and utterly

1079
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,599
dominated in the fight. So now he comes back in

1080
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,920
September of last year still fighting at one hundred and

1081
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,800
forty pounds, gets like a hu Hom ten round decision

1082
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,639
over a regular opponent in Manuel Himes, and now moves

1083
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,519
up to welterweight to get a world championship fight. So

1084
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,320
he's lost two fights in his last four, both of

1085
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,239
the losses by knockout, one at lightweight, one at junior welterweight.

1086
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,239
Now moves up to fight for the welterweight belt, having

1087
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:11,440
never fought in the welterweight division, against another guy who's

1088
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,719
off a drug suspension, who's never fought in the welter.

1089
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: Wait, you want me to say it, what are we

1090
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,599
doing here? Use the hammer of four and keep blasting

1091
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:22,159
these pigs?

1092
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: Ridiculous Again I say that, by the way, it's not

1093
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,559
an indictment of the bout. I've got no problem right

1094
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,519
against roly Rimire is a perfectly fine fight of the.

1095
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:37,199
Speaker 1: Zero significance in terms of the interim WB a regular.

1096
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,639
But I mean, this is a joke.

1097
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,599
Speaker 2: They particularly as you just said, we are what two

1098
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,880
weeks removed from presentis knocking out Amanta Stanionis is.

1099
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,639
Speaker 1: The WBA world champ end of story, is.

1100
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,199
Speaker 2: Right, and become the ring champion. That's like emblematic as

1101
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,320
you're the number one champ. So to get to the

1102
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,199
factual information. Besides the WBA ridiculously making this a title fight,

1103
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,880
which makes me what throw the fuck up? You have

1104
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:05,119
them also making the official order. And this was not

1105
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,199
unexpected either that Ennis now as the quote unquote super champion,

1106
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,760
will Is ordered to fight his mandatory shot from Giasov,

1107
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,760
which he inherited from Stanionis. But Giasov, who was undefeated,

1108
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,079
was an Olympic medalist. He wont to fight on the

1109
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,519
undercard when Stanionis and Drawn Ennis had their fight, so

1110
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:25,960
he stepped aside. So he's next for Ennis. According to

1111
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,599
the WBA, we'll see if they actually are able to

1112
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:32,519
make the fight, And they further said the winner of

1113
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,519
Ryan Garcia against Roly Romero and the winner of the

1114
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,079
ordered fight between Boots Ennis and Giasof will be required

1115
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:42,920
to fight each other in a mandatory bout because the

1116
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,480
regular champions for the superimp And that's so well and good,

1117
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,760
but I can tell you right now, if if Hainey

1118
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,000
and Uh and Uh and Ryan Garcia take care of

1119
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,719
their business and the Times Square card, then they fight

1120
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:03,079
ain't happening next because in Saudi Arabia and we'll see

1121
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:06,840
what happens with that. But the WBA, it just offends

1122
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,920
me on so many levels. It's just ridiculous.

1123
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: Use the hammer of thor and keep blasting them because

1124
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,559
enough is a I mean, for example, and then we're

1125
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,599
gonna move on real quick. Box Wreck has begun to

1126
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,719
totally ignore the WBA Championships and has taken it completely

1127
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,440
off their site.

1128
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,599
Speaker 2: If that's not because of the stupid thing.

1129
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm just saying I'm applauding them because

1130
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,920
if they're going to continue for whatever the reasons are,

1131
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,920
including that them.

1132
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,679
Speaker 2: I don't applaud them at all because it's supposed to

1133
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,039
be a website for factual information. But we can, we

1134
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:36,880
can piss and moan all we want, but I still

1135
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,639
want to know what what fight is for what.

1136
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: But it's their website. And if they if they're going

1137
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,199
to say you've so diluted, cheapened and whatever, and it's

1138
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,719
not the reason they teach the reason saying to you,

1139
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,639
it's got to be part of it. It's not okay,

1140
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,199
Well you can litigate that at another time with me.

1141
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,360
I'm just saying bravo at this point, because they've created

1142
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,320
sham type situation.

1143
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: But hiding factual information on a website that is supposed

1144
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,280
to be nonpartisans is not the right thing to do.

1145
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,599
Speaker 1: It's their website again, the joke the right thing the

1146
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,519
WBA does the thing. That's not the right thing to

1147
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,960
do with what you just laid down and described over

1148
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,079
and over and over again.

1149
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: But it doesn't make it unfactual.

1150
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: All right, So we went over all of that and that.

1151
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,519
We'll have more on that for next weekend as Garcia

1152
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,840
and Haini fight their separate Comain event fights and that

1153
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:30,039
Times Square show the the Turkey al Chican the Saudis

1154
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,039
are putting off in the Saudi Entertainment Authority. All right,

1155
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,079
one more real quick Brian Norman speaking of actual welterweight champions,

1156
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:41,039
he may be fighting a Japanese fighter next. Their discussions

1157
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:42,199
going on. What have you found out?

1158
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: Well, he just had his first title defense. You remember

1159
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,760
he came off the injury he fought Derek Wavis back

1160
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,800
on March twenty ninth. In the first defense. He looked

1161
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,119
really good, sharp as attack. No issues with the hand

1162
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,920
that was surgically repaired, that had been dinged up that

1163
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,519
caused him to delay this fight from late last years opponent.

1164
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,079
He scored a good knockout in the third round, and

1165
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:06,920
then the question was what's next. Maybe they would go

1166
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,840
back and revisit the Boots and his fight. Uh that

1167
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:12,679
that's still maybe happening. I don't know that, but it

1168
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,239
seems unlikely given that nsn G as we both with Matchroom,

1169
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,280
and that that's a mandatory fight. I don't think that

1170
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,360
if Boots is going to stay at one forty seven,

1171
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,079
he's going to suddenly want to give up one of

1172
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:24,800
the belts that he works so hard to, you know,

1173
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,119
get to be a unified champion. So I suspect he'll

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go through with the mandatory not the worst fight in

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the world. In the meantime, Top Rank and Brian Norman's

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management are looking for other opportunities. And Sasaki, who is

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a Japanese fighter who's looked good. You've seen him on

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some of these ESPN Plus undercards. That Top Rank is you,

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you know, put on an ESPN Plus probably a good good,

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a good payday. I think that the Norman people like

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the match, think that he can win. I spoke to

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Brian Norman's manager, Joline Mazzone. Uh they she said to me, Look,

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we're open to a lot of different things. That's one possibility.

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We're not committed to anything yet, there's no There's been

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some you know, normal Twitter nonsense that it's a done deal,

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a sign fight, blah blah blah. You know, I thought

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it was hilarious when Carl Mretti from Top Rank responded

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to one of those tweets from a so called news

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outlet on Twitter saying, you know, if it's signed, please

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send me a copy of the contract for my files.

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It's not done, but they're talking about it. It may happen,

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you know, sometime in the summer, June, July, August, whatever.

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But the thing that was interesting to me is that

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that the Norman camp is willing if the fight is

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done and it's made at an appropriate way that they

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like the deal, they'll travel to Japan to do the fight.

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So they're not fearful of doing that, just the same

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way they were willing to fight Boots and it's in Philadelphia,

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but they were, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars

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apart on on what that deal would have been. So

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that's a possibility. We'll see in Sasaki is a very

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exciting fighter. By the way, I'm not I don't know

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if he necessarily beats Brian Norman, but he's a fun

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,360
fighter to watch. You can go back and watch some

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,239
of those boutsy out on ESPN. Plus he makes good,

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good fights.

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Speaker 1: All right, great stuff on the news. So we have

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come to the end of the pod. And normally, but

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we're going to deviate from the normal. We're shaking it

1210
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,840
up here. We're shaking it up starting now. Normally we

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,719
would talk nostalgia. Now there is nostalgia and anniversaries for

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this week. That includes the win by Vitali klitch go

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over Corey Sanders in a tremendous battle in August of

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two thousand and four, and I'm sorry April of twenty

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or April twenty fourth of two thousand and four, and

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you were ringside for that. Likewise, another heavyweight milestone fight

1217
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is the hat Sim Rockmann anniversary, which was what day

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this week because all my days have run together in

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South Africa when Rockman scored the knockout that you basically

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foreshadowed by the way with Lennox Lewis back in two

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thousand and one, So that anniversary was also what this

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past Tuesday, right in the United States on the twenty second.

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What we are doing we are acknowledging in the nostalgia

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here on the audio podcast that those fights happen. We

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want you to go watch the video of Dan and

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00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,840
me talking about those fights. They will be up on

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00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:21,159
the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. So go check out

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both of those bouts. You were ringside obviously for the

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Clitch Goo win, and you relate that as he came

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back to the United States, I believe for the first

1231
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,519
time in seven years, Am I right? So you're gonna

1232
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see and hear Dan tell you all about that and

1233
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then you I'm teasing it up. You have a tremendous

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00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,880
story about friends of yours that had moved to South

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,639
Africa and you got them tickets to the Rockman upset

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of Lennox Lewis. I did all explained on the YouTube page.

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So that is part of what I said at the

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beginning of the podcast. We want you, the peeps the savages,

1239
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,079
to start engaging with the YouTube page. Go check out

1240
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,760
the YouTube page, and we're even bribing you one more

1241
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,000
time time. Make sure you rate and review this podcast

1242
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:05,760
and take a screenshot of it a recent rating and

1243
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,519
review before May the fourth, before next weekend. So in

1244
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,199
addition to that, make sure that you are subscribed to

1245
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,360
the YouTube page. So we're giving you double incentive to

1246
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,840
go to the YouTube page to see the nostalgia of

1247
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,280
these two heavyweight title fights and to also perhaps win

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01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:28,039
a chok ski right the either the cup, the room key,

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01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,599
credit card key with the fight poster on it, something

1250
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,679
like that. We're going to give something away. We're bribing

1251
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,639
you next weekend when this is all said and done.

1252
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,239
But go check out the nostalgia now on the YouTube page.

1253
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,880
That's where a lot more of our nostalgia is going

1254
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,920
to live from here on out. Go check out the videos.

1255
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,000
See what we look like. You and I going back

1256
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:54,960
and forth about clitchgo Saunders or Sanders. And also that

1257
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,239
that shocking Hassim Rockman knockout of when Lewis It's now

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almost twenty five years old. By the way, how about

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,039
that go check.

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Speaker 2: Cozy as the I will ruin the nostalgie. But as

1261
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:11,159
the mortal Larry Merchant put it that night, it wasn't

1262
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:12,880
the rumble in the jungle, it was the crumble in

1263
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,360
the jungle.

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01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again classic story, if I do say so,

1265
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,360
myself about how your friends who weren't even boxing fans

1266
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,800
ended up at that fight in South Africa, not close

1267
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,719
by to where Raphael lives. For the hookup, Let's go

1268
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,800
all the way down under in South Africa on that,

1269
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,960
all right, So go check out the nostalgia, Go check

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01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,199
out the YouTube page and follow the instructions that I've

1271
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,320
now given twice on the program. What's say that you

1272
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,320
and I reconvene on the bet Us Boxing Show coming

1273
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,039
at one Eastern time on Friday, and let's handicap Chris,

1274
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,079
YOUU Bang Junior and counter Ben as well as the

1275
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:52,039
Anthony yard Lyndon Arthur Trilogy fight. We'll have more fun

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01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,960
and frivolity there live Friday afternoon, one Eastern time on

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,039
the bet Us platform. Sound good away, A good yes, sir,

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01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:01,239
the preview mode, everybody get ready for that. Thank you

1279
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,079
for finding us here. By the way, we should mention

1280
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,199
Canello Alvarez coming on the recap pod. You'll hear him

1281
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:10,079
with Dan in advance a fight week before Dear God

1282
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,760
the pay per view with William Skull in Saudi Arabia.

1283
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,400
I hear that coming up. So lots of great content

1284
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:17,920
here on the pod Feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify and is

1285
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,800
well on the YouTube page Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

1286
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,280
Go check that out, subscribe there. We want your patronage there.

1287
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,039
Moving forward, we'd love it. For now, we are good.

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It's the Big Fight Weekend preview pod for Dan Raphael.

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,159
I am merely TJ Reeves. Enjoy the fight card this

1290
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,880
weekend in England and much more. We'll see you on

1291
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,039
the bet Us Show Friday at one Eastern time to

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01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:41,159
talk more about that vibe