WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:03.120 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:04.040 We could be worse. 3 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:05.639 This is Kathleen Martam. 4 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:19.480 You're listening to UFO Headquarters, Beautiful Headquarters, and welcome to 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:23.199 another episode of the podcast that you must hear and 6 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:27.559 listen to every week, every month, every day, UFO Headquarters 7 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:28.960 on Hudson River Radio. 8 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:32.280 Linda's laughing because I try to come up with these 9 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.240 witty and I don't know. Today I was a little 10 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:35.000 slow on it. 11 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:35.520 I don't know. 12 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.320 It's the cold. 13 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.079 I was driven in from my office by the cold. 14 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:46.399 Well. 15 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.799 We have had some interesting times the last couple of 16 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.520 months in the Hudson Valley in New Jersey and now 17 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.640 spreading all over the place, the drones and you know, 18 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.560 I had one go buy near our house. 19 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:04.159 It was four point thirty in the morning. 20 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.760 It was very cold, and I heard some something that 21 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.000 I hadn't heard before. And we live ten minutes from 22 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.400 Stuart Airport, you know, which also has the Air National Guard. 23 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:17.480 So there are. 24 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:23.840 Civilian and military helicopters and small planes all the way 25 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:28.120 up to those ginormous cargo planes. We hear all kinds. 26 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:32.079 This was very different and it was loud, and I'm like, 27 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.920 oh crap, maybe that's one. So I go running out 28 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.680 in twenty two degree weather in my pajamas and it 29 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:43.799 was not as big as a cessna, very very low, 30 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.239 like little above tree top height and the At first 31 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.159 I'm like, is this some kind of plane? What am 32 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.959 I looking at? But you know, running lights often a 33 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:58.239 white light in the front, and then the red and 34 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.040 green the port and star so you know what direction 35 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:05.879 a plane is headed by the what they were in 36 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:06.920 a straight line? 37 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:07.920 It was white. 38 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.599 I can't remember if it was white green red or 39 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.000 white red green, but they were very close together in 40 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:15.800 a straight line. 41 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.159 And I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell is that? 42 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.759 What what good is port and starboard if they're in 43 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:26.240 a straight you know, in a straight line. But it 44 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:31.560 didn't make sense. And so I've seen a few too. 45 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:32.360 It's bizarre. 46 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.080 Yeah, yeah, so I have no reason to think they're 47 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.039 anything but drones. You know, they look like drones, they 48 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.639 sound like drones. Uh. You know a lot of people 49 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:48.120 are seeing and photographing them, but a lot of people 50 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:51.280 are contacting me they're they're alien spacecraft. 51 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:58.080 Yeah, why why are you saying that? I mean, maybe, but. 52 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.680 Yeah, why would aliens? I mean, assuming aliens were to 53 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.360 come and make themselves so visible. Why would they pick 54 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:14.439 you know, human manufactured drones or the human manufactured I don't. 55 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.919 I don't know, but a lot of people are saying, 56 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.360 you know, because these craft are hovering, they're showing this 57 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:26.680 great anti gravity technology. Or it's a quad copter that's you. 58 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.879 And and drones can hover. That's one of the things 59 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.000 that they're good at doing. Especially the more you know, 60 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.719 my son's got to got drones early, early on years ago, 61 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:40.680 when they were little. I mean, the technology is ancient now, 62 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.840 but even then you could fly up and just let 63 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.039 it hover and it would stabilize itself and yeah, so 64 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:48.199 the battery ran out basically, and then it would return 65 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:48.599 the base. 66 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.199 But yeah, this shouldn't be a surprise. 67 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.120 I mean, they use them the film movies and commercials 68 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:55.439 and and all sorts of. 69 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.240 Things and spy on people and spy on people. 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.560 So so I got the idea, because I've been hearing 71 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:08.560 all this anti gravity talk, that there is an interesting 72 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.199 history to anti gravity. So everybody get get a pen 73 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.839 and pad, because there might be some little interesting tidbits 74 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.160 here the little you know. I love science, I love facts. 75 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.639 But yeah, we'll talk a bit about the history of it. 76 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:29.600 And so quick question to both you and Brian. Do 77 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.759 you think our government has anti gravity technology? 78 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:36.639 No? 79 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.759 No, okay, Mike. 80 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.639 I don't think they do, but I you know again, yeah, 81 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.519 so they don't have it. I mean, I'm sure that 82 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:54.040 if if the rumors of alleged spacecraft having been reverse engineered, 83 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.079 there's a potential that anti gravity is a part of that. 84 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.959 But I've never seen any solid evidence of this. 85 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.959 No way to cancel out gravity. It's when you even 86 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.720 when astronauts went to the Moon, as they left so 87 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.680 called left Earth's gravity, it just gets weaker and weaker, 88 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.360 and then the Moon's gravity started taking over to pull 89 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.639 the craft towards the Moon. 90 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:19.920 Which I will be tying, and that is called the 91 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.000 everybody out the Lagrange point. I was going to mention 92 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.959 that where it's an equilibrium of gravity, where are we 93 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:29.240 going to. 94 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:31.160 See the rock? 95 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.839 You say Lagrange? I think it's easy top. But that's 96 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:34.720 a whole nother story. 97 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:37.480 Are you going to be bringing up at some point 98 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.120 the World War two anti gravity? 99 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.000 I wasn't, but feel free to bring that up. 100 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:46.160 Let me talk about that. 101 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.879 Yeah, well interject, So where did the whole idea of 102 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.079 gravity come from? 103 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:52.360 You? 104 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.879 Know, there's that untrue legend of the apple hitting Isaac 105 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.800 Newton in the head, so it probably didn't hit him 106 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.319 in the head, but he did wonder why did apples 107 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.399 and everything else falls straight down? And that was the 108 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:10.839 summer of sixteen sixty six that he started getting the 109 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:12.759 idea of some sort of force. 110 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:15.639 And then on July. 111 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.920 Seventh, sixteen eighty seven, he published Principia Mathematica. And I 112 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.839 don't want people calling me and saying it's supposed to 113 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:29.360 be Principia. I watched a I watched a whole show 114 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:38.040 on the pronunciation of principia. During Isaac Newton's time, that 115 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.240 would have been the because Latin was pronounced differently in 116 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:49.639 the church in different times. So Principia Mathematica where he 117 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:54.759 had his law of gravitation, which basically all matter, all 118 00:06:54.839 --> 00:07:01.319 particles attract other particles and it is directly proportional to 119 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:06.480 their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the 120 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:11.560 distance between them. Simply put, it just means the greater 121 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.000 the mass, the stronger the pull. The farther away you 122 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:21.600 are the less pull. So and Brian, you had mentioned 123 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:27.160 on the moon a two hundred pound person on Earth 124 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.439 would only weigh thirty two pounds. On the Moon, your 125 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:36.680 mass is not changing, you haven't lost flesh, but it's 126 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:42.399 only one sixth gravity, so your weight is different. And 127 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:47.040 you also mentioned the you know the point where the 128 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:52.720 Moon's gravity takes over. Yes, that's the lagrange point. It's 129 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.000 about two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles to the Moon. 130 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.720 About eighty five percent of that distance, or about about 131 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.120 one hundred and ninety eight thousand miles, is the lagrange 132 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.439 point where you'd be where the pull of the Moon 133 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.839 is about the same as the pull of the Earth, 134 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.920 and you go a little farther and then the Moon's 135 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:20.439 gravity takes over and pulls you in. So that's just 136 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:25.879 a little background on the ideas of gravity starting and 137 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.279 why is it important If your space travel, you'd had 138 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:34.440 better figure out gravity so you don't get stuck or 139 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.279 pulled in somewhere. 140 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.639 Or shot off some other direction. 141 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:44.840 So this I was very surprised by this. So I 142 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:49.320 love science fiction, I write science fiction. I just live 143 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.879 and breathe science fiction. So I figured it was probably 144 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:58.279 somebody like HG. Wells in the eighteen nineties who first 145 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.120 wrote about anti gra gravity ships. 146 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:02.639 Boy was I wrong? 147 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.679 Anybody want to take a stab who hasn't looked at 148 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:06.480 the notes? 149 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:08.519 I actually didn't read that part. 150 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.159 Oh, okay, either of you want to take a I 151 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:12.639 would have to go with Jules Verne. 152 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:14.360 Yeah, I was gonna take guess Jewels. 153 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:21.279 Okay, very good guess eighteen twenty seven. An American lawyer 154 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:26.919 and author George Tucker, writing under the pseudonym Joseph Adderley, 155 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:32.559 in his book Voyage to the Moon eighteen twenty seven, 156 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.679 he had in his story he had a pressurized vehicle 157 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:44.919 covered in anti gravity metal. That's pretty good for eighteen twenties, right, 158 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:45.559 I think so. 159 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.639 I give him a lot of credit for that. I 160 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.480 know that's amazing. 161 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.480 Actually, yeah, I'd like to read this book. So I 162 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.919 love books. I love old books. Unfortunately, a first edition 163 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.159 I saw for sale, not in very good shape, is 164 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.519 currently fifteen thousand dollars, so I'll probably try to find it. 165 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.120 I think there's a pdf of the just by one 166 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:08.960 per year. 167 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:11.840 I would try books or something, you. 168 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:17.120 Know, Yeah, yeah, I can find the text. But so, yeah, 169 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:21.639 so this covered in anti gravity metal, which we will 170 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.200 get to at. 171 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:23.879 The end of this. 172 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.240 Uh this episode, what year was that? 173 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.480 Linda eighteen twenty seven. 174 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.200 So you know he's writing this to put it in 175 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.879 context at a time when railroads are just starting to. 176 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:37.440 Be a thing. 177 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:39.840 That's a great point. 178 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.240 And the main way of transporting things long distance would 179 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.679 have been canals, so that would be his frame of reference. 180 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:51.200 Yeah, and steamships. Are you know all of this is yeah, 181 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:52.120 like this guy. 182 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.360 Was, This guy was a I'm I can't believe he's 183 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:56.000 not more well. 184 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.440 Known, like, well, maybe he will be now I want. 185 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:01.799 To read that too, so if you find it, let. 186 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:07.960 Me know, right, So, how does this apply to ufology. Well, 187 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.519 in the eight nineteen eighties, as we have covered on 188 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.360 and on, the Hudson Valley had this incredible wave. Thousands 189 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.679 and thousands of people witness massive craft the size of 190 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:24.559 football fields hovering silently overhead for as much as twenty 191 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.960 minutes and no down draft. And by that, you know, 192 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.399 if you've ever been near a helicopter or under a helicopter, 193 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:33.679 the down. 194 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.240 Draft of the of the rotors. 195 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.240 We do have vtall vertical takeoff and landing. And one 196 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.440 of my greatest thrills was to see I think it 197 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:49.559 was a Harrier take off dey rotate their engines the 198 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:54.559 vectored thrust engines, so they just take off straight up 199 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.440 and then angle the engines again and take off. So 200 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.360 but they're as hell and you have all that thrt, 201 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.759 you know, all that thrust coming out of there, but 202 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.000 these were silent. 203 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.639 There was no wind generally. 204 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.879 Also, what was accompanying a lot of these was strong 205 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:25.519 EMF power outages, cars stalling, radio static. So is theoretically, 206 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.480 is there some way to negate the force of gravity 207 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:36.559 in these craft because they're obviously showing some sort of 208 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:42.440 anti gravity to hover silently with no physical signs of 209 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.879 propulsion for twenty minutes or some people have speculated a 210 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:54.480 some sort of bubble around the craft that repels you know, gravity, 211 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.559 feels some sort of anti gravity or is it something 212 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.360 completely different We don't understand. I think I'd like to 213 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.000 vote for that at the moment. And then the other thing, 214 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:13.039 is this alien interdimensional technology or is it something we 215 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:17.360 have that was reverse engineered And a lot of people 216 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.360 think that, so, you know, and then there's all these 217 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:26.039 metamaterial things we've heard about lately, and that's something we'll 218 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.919 also talk about at the end. So there's just a 219 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:35.639 lot of questions. Don't expect any answers tonight. But it's 220 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.960 something worth looking into. So why don't we take our 221 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.879 first break before we get a little further into all 222 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:51.200 of this. Hudson River Radio dot com. 223 00:13:51.480 --> 00:14:00.799 This is Hudson River Radio dot com. So very very 224 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:05.799 interesting conversation here, Linda, And we're using the term anti gravity. 225 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.679 But as I'm listening to the different things you mentioned, 226 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.879 I wonder if anti is probably not the right way 227 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.840 we should maybe counter gravity or because it seems like 228 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.200 and I think Brian you pointed it out very well 229 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.960 at the beginning. You know, gravity is there no matter 230 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.759 what we do, we can't stop the gravitational pull the Earth. 231 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.840 But is there something that's countering that gravitational pull? Thereby 232 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.399 it's basically negating what the Earth is doing? So you know, 233 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.559 to me, anti gravity always sounds like, well we can't 234 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.799 We're like somehow I don't know, stopping gravity for a 235 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:42.000 moment's or thinking float, But it seems like there's a 236 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:46.080 there there potentially would be a way to produce a 237 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.440 force greater than what the force of our gravity is. 238 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:54.080 So I would imagine, yeah, it's called flying, yes, that's. 239 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:57.759 But doing it without but doing it. 240 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.399 Without like without fuel a right, like, what else? 241 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.200 What other ways could they do this? 242 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:09.960 Yeah, and that's what. Surprisingly, a lot, well or not surprisingly, 243 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.799 a lot of money has been poured into this and 244 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.440 a lot of people have been researching it for probably 245 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.799 a lot longer than you would imagine. But yeah, some 246 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:24.919 of the examples twenty fifteen from the USS Roosevelt off 247 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.600 the Florida coast. The navy pilots who saw the gimbal Ufo, 248 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.480 I'm sure everybody has seen that. 249 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.519 It's rote. They're like, god, my god, it's rotating. 250 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.559 And just no signs of you know, no wings and 251 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:47.159 jet and you know, exhaust. And this was going against 252 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:52.039 one hundred and thirty eight mile per hour wind, so 253 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:59.080 it wasn't a balloon hanging out there. And Luis Elizondo 254 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:03.080 had said about the gimbal was a great glittering mystery. 255 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.320 It was clearly an anti gravity device, okay. And this 256 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.879 is a man who worked on these cases. So again, 257 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.840 no control surfaces. You had the famous tic TAC from 258 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:20.759 two thousand and four. Things that just shouldn't be up 259 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:27.120 in the sky maneuvering and hovering. So I knew. 260 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:27.759 I knew. 261 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.279 Our good friend Michael Schrat who's been on our show. 262 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.639 I think at least twice. Great guy has been so 263 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.480 helpful to me anytime. He just sent me a great 264 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:43.679 batch of never before seen or haven't been seen for 265 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:49.639 thirty forty years cases from the Hudson Valley. 266 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.320 He's always been so helpful. So I said, shot. 267 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.759 I know it's you know, holiday season when we're recording this, 268 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.960 but I shot him an email. You must have done 269 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.600 something on anti gravity and you know ten minutes there. Oh, 270 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.799 here's my two part series on that. So I watched it. 271 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:13.400 I would recommend people go to YouTube. Michael shrat sc 272 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:21.440 hr att Man made UFOs the electro Electrical Connection. It's 273 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.319 two parts and some of the things I pulled out 274 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.519 of there. Two cases I want to mention, and then 275 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:34.359 we'll go into why I'm mentioning them. Smithtown, New York, 276 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:38.519 which is on Long Island, October ninth, nineteen seventy two, 277 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.240 a woman sees a craft that looked like the bottom 278 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.400 of an iron like you know your iron clothes iron 279 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.079 type thing that's shape with some lights on it, but 280 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.799 sticking up out of the back were two poles with 281 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.680 a wire connecting them, and it did have a red 282 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:01.039 light for port and a green for starboard sounds very 283 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:09.200 man made, right, and Michael was saying, it reminds him 284 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:14.119 of the lifters using electro gravitics, which we will get into. 285 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.400 Townshend Brown. We'll get into him. Townshend Brown was a 286 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:25.119 fascinating character. Thought he had discovered anti gravity force using 287 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:29.279 high voltage electricity. You can look up the Beefeld Brown effect. 288 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.559 We'll talk a little more about that. Hopefully people are 289 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.799 frantic they have either thrown their pen and paper away 290 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.400 at this point or are frantically taking notes to look 291 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:44.359 these things up. Then, in November of nineteen ninety four 292 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.680 and rept in England, a witness saw it was kind 293 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.640 of a disc, but kind of horseshoe shaped and very unusual, 294 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.000 had a notch cut out of the back of it, 295 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:01.400 about sixty feet long, but the under side was covered 296 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:08.759 in tubes and pipes. Doesn't sound very aerodynamic, you know. 297 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.160 Odd that a UFO, but we've heard that a lot. 298 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:16.680 And Michael was saying, maybe it's some sort of super 299 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:24.440 cooling superconductor type apparatus, which so just remember electro gravitics 300 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:25.599 and superconductor. 301 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.400 We will we will get back to those a little later. 302 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:37.880 So one book everybody's mentioned whose talks about this is. 303 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:42.599 The Hunt for the Zero Point by Nick Cook came 304 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:48.160 out I think early two thousands and the subtitle is 305 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:57.000 inside the Classified World of Anti gravity Technology. So I 306 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:03.279 found some sample pages online and somebody he now Nick Cook. 307 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.160 If you're not familiar with him, he was a senior 308 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.440 editor at Jane's Defense Weekly. You can't get a much 309 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:16.160 more serious. If you don't know Janes, look that up. 310 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.400 He was the aerospace editor. And one day somebody put 311 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:25.279 this article from nineteen fifty six. Let me say that again, 312 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.920 fifty six. They put it on his desk. It was 313 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:34.759 an article by Michael Gladych called the g Engines are coming, 314 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:41.000 and by g engines, it's gravity. And he thought it was, 315 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.359 you know, somebody playing a joke. But he started reading 316 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:51.480 the article and there were some quotes that by far 317 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:56.519 the most potent source of energy is gravity. Using its power, 318 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:01.599 future aircraft will attain the speed of life. It went 319 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.480 on to say, nuclear powered aircraft are yet to be built. 320 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:10.079 Member this is fifty six, but there are research product 321 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:16.200 projects already underway that will make super planes obsolete before 322 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:20.680 they are test flown. For in the United States and Canada, 323 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:27.559 research centers, scientists, designers, and engineers are perfecting a way 324 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.160 to control gravity, a force infinitely more powerful than the 325 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.839 mighty atom. The result of their labors will be anti 326 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:46.240 gravity engines working without fuel, weightless airliners, and spaceships able 327 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:52.000 to travel at one hundred and seventy thousand miles per second. Okay, 328 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:57.599 so this was not a science fiction article. This is 329 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:02.839 talking about real projects that, according to the information this 330 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:09.920 journalist had that by the time we perfect nuclear propulsion, 331 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:15.200 it's going to be obsolete by gravity engines. All right, 332 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.400 let me read a few more. This gravity research. It's 333 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:28.519 not by you know, ACME Company, Wiley Coyotes, ACME anti 334 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:34.039 gravity Engines. It was from the Martin Aircraft Company later 335 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:39.960 to become Lockheed Martin Bell Aircraft. Okay, the ones who 336 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:44.720 brought you the plane that broke the sound barrier. Another 337 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.039 name that might ring a Bell Lear, who ten years 338 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:55.160 later the the Lear Jet, and several other American aircraft 339 00:22:55.279 --> 00:23:00.720 manufacturers who would not spend millions of dollars on sign fiction. 340 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.400 There was a quote from Lawrence D. Bell, the founder, 341 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:12.400 who said, we're already working on nuclear fuels and equipment 342 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.400 to cancel out gravity. George Trimble, who was the head 343 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.359 of Advanced Programs and the vice president in charge of 344 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:29.319 gravity projects at Martin Aircraft, said that the conquest of 345 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.880 gravity quote, could be done in about the time it 346 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:39.920 took to build the first atomic bomb. All right, these 347 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.920 are some heavy hitters in aerospace who are working on 348 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:51.079 these projects and pretty certain. In fact, Bill Lear said 349 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:56.200 that all matter within the ship would be influenced by 350 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:01.440 the gravitation only this way, no matter how fast you 351 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.559 accelerated or changed course, your body would not feel it 352 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:09.440 anymore than it now feels the tremendous speed and acceleration 353 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.160 of the Earth. You would be able to take off 354 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.960 like a cannon shell, come to a stop with equal abruptness, 355 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.119 and the passengers wouldn't even need seat belts. 356 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.400 Okay, so that's wild. 357 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.799 This is yeah, this is very wild. But we're talking 358 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:38.680 fifty six now that major aerospace companies are pretty certain. 359 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.880 You know this doesn't sound like well, maybe in the 360 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:49.480 next generation. They're talking about probably in a few years. Also, 361 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:55.839 in addition to Bell and Lear, Conveyor Sperry universities like 362 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:01.720 Princeton and Purdue. Bell said we're going to cancel out 363 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:06.440 gravity rather than fight it. Pratt and Whitney were working 364 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:13.079 on it Boeing and of course tons of Black Project dollars. 365 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.759 You know that the Defense Department. We don't know where 366 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:20.200 that went. We can't tell you where those trillions of 367 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:25.839 dollars went. So this is this is big news. And 368 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:30.440 that Trimble. I watched a Nick Cook interview, the one 369 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.759 who wrote the book The Hunt for the Zero Point, 370 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:36.480 and he wanted to talk to Trimble. And this he 371 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:40.039 would have been in his eighties by this point, and 372 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.799 he had a contact who found him. And at first 373 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.319 the guy says, sure, you know, I'll talk to you. 374 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.599 And then before the interview took place, he gets a 375 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.200 call from his contact. Yeah, he's a little spooped. He 376 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.519 doesn't want to talk to you. Now, he says, leave 377 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:01.200 me alone, don't ever contact. Something happened from the time 378 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.559 he said, yeah, I'll talk about our work with anti gravity, 379 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:09.480 to leave me alone. I'm not going to talk about it. 380 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.559 Perhaps somebody little whisper in his ear. 381 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.440 Uh, the men in black showed up. 382 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:21.640 Yeah, something suspicious. And as he said, if he wasn't 383 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.680 interested in the topic before, he certainly was now. Because 384 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.400 you know, a journalist doesn't want to hear anything more 385 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.440 than I'm not telling you anything, which means there's something 386 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:38.720 to tell you. So what do you think of all that? 387 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.559 Were you aware of how much was going on in 388 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:43.759 the fifties with this. 389 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:46.519 No, that's I think what's surprising. 390 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:50.200 I mean, I know, the fifties is when the really 391 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.079 when the commercial airline industry starts to boom, I believe it, 392 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.559 or starts to that post war period. You know, flying 393 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.000 becomes much more accessible. But I didn't realize that all 394 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.240 these companies were vesting in research of, first of all, 395 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.960 nuclear fueled aircraft. But then you know, this whole idea 396 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.559 of anti gravity. I like, I like the statement we're 397 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.400 not going to fight gravity, We're going to cancel it. 398 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.079 Hancel it, you know. 399 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:16.720 I think that says a lot about what they were 400 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:21.599 looking to do. Yeah, I would think if they did 401 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.680