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back to Bloody Angola, A podcast one and forty two
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Is Prison. I'm Jim Chapman, and a lot has happened
since the last time I dropped an episode. Just last week,
if you've been listening, we just completed a three part
series in which I covered the crimes and convictions of
three inmates that had received death warrants in the state
of Louisiana. In the first episode in that three part
series covered the crimes of Jesse Hoffman, who, if you'll remember,
had his execution delayed due to a Louisiana District judge
finding the method of execution nitrogen hypoxia, unconstitutional and a
violation of the Eighth Amendment, which is cruel and unusual punishment. Now,
this was on March eleventh, So on March twelfth, ag
Liz Murel. She files what is known as an emergency brief,
and she urges the courts to move forward. Now, what
really spearheaded this, at least from the defense standpoint, was
the claim that the state did not release their execution
protocol until the eve of May seventh. So essentially they're
saying they didn't have time to legally scrutinize that protocol.
So let's go over Louisiana's execution protocol quickly. So the
protocol outlines a structured, multi phase process and it begins
thirty days before the execution and continues until after the
inmate is pronounced dead. In Phase one, which is thirty
days before the execution, the inmate is served a death
warrant and he must acknowledge or she must acknowledge receipt
of that death warrant. The inmate may select a spiritual
advisor who must undergo training if they wish to be
present in the execution chamber. Medical monitoring begins, and that
includes mental health evaluations. All that is in phase one,
which is thirty days out. Then in phase two, which
is two weeks out fourteen days, the inmate's family receives
formal notice of the execution date. The inmate also finalizes
any legal, spiritual, or funeral arrangements. Then they move on
to Phase three, which is ten to three days before
the execution. Law enforcement agencies they get notified of the execution.
Witnesses including victim representatives and media, are selected. Final equipment
inspections as the security briefings are conducted, and then they
move to Phase four, which is twelve to thirty six
hours before the execution. At that time, the execution chamber
is placed on what's known as restricted access. The nitrogen
hypoxia system gets tested to make sure it's functional, The
inmate's personal property is inventoried and secured, and then Phase
five is the day of the execution. At noon, the
inmate is served a final meal if he or she
so chooses. One hour before the execution, final security checks
are conducted. The end gets prepared, including being fitted with
what's none as a pulse oximeter. The nitrogen hypoxia mask
is placed into the execution chamber, and then the execution commences.
The warden opens the nitrogen gas lockout valve. The gas
is administered for at least fifteen minutes, or until five
minutes after a flight line is detected on an EKG machine,
the chamber is ventilated before officials confirmed the execution is complete.
And then there's a phase six, which is post execution procedures,
which the corner officially pronounces the inmate dead, the Governor's
office is notified, and the body is removed. Funeral arrangements
are carried out per the inmate's request. So that is
the official execution protocol for the State of Louisiana, and
that's what they were arguing. They didn't have this protocol,
so they couldn't legally scrutinize it. I mean, they're by time, right, So,
as I told you, Liz Muriel files what's known as
an emergency brief and at that point the Louisiana appeals
to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeal and they actually
overturned the temporary injunction on Jesse Hoffman's execution. The execution
was on and it happened in quick order, but not
before the justice system got quite the workout first. After
exhausting all other avenues, Hoffman appealed to the US Supreme Court.
In the eleventh hour. He filed both a writ and
an application for stay of execution. And I have that,
and I'm going to review it with you real quick.
Jesse Hoffman's execution is scheduled for March eighteenth, twenty twenty five,
between six and nine pm to the Honorable Samuel Alito,
Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States
and Circuit Justice for the Fifth Circuit. Petitioner Jesse Hoffman, respectively,
requests that this Court stay his execution using nitrogen hypoxia,
penning the Court's disposition of his pending petition of a WRINT.
Mister Hoffman is scheduled to be executed on March eighteenth,
twenty twenty five, between six and nine pm if the
Court is unable to resolve this application by five point
fifty nine. On March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, issued grant
a temporary stay while it considers the application. Then it
lists the reasons reasoning for granting the stay of application.
Mister Hoffman's execution date is presently March eighteenth, twenty twenty five.
Mister Hoffman has concurrently filed a petition for a WRINT.
With this application, the impending execution date may preclude this
Court from considering mister Hoffman's petition before the scheduled execution,
thus necessitating this application. Mister Hoffman's challenge to his execution
is timely raised and has a very strong likely hood
of success on the merits. The State of Louisiana announced
on February tenth, twenty twenty five, that it had created
a protocol for execution by nitrogen hypoxia, that is, the
deprivation of oxygen through the forced inhalation of pure nitrogen
until someone dies. It served mister Hoffman with a death
warrant on February twentieth, twenty twenty five, notifying him for
the first time that he would be the first Louisian
inmate to be executed by nitrogen hypoxia. On March eighteenth,
twenty twenty five. The state did not disclose its new
protocol for nitrogen gassing until over a week later. Mister Hoffman,
a practicing Buddhists, diligently exhausted his administrative remedies and filed
this suit less than a week after receiving his death warrant,
challenging the state's method of execution under the Eighth Amendment.
In the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, The
Eighth Amendment forbids forms of execution that intensified death sentence
with super additions of terror, pain, or disgrace. To succeed
on the method of execution challenge under the Eighth Amendment,
an inn may must show that a feasible, readily implemented
alternative procedure would significantly reduce a substantial risk of severe pain.
The District Court, after expedited discovery and a twelve hour hearing,
concluded that mister Hoffman was likely to succeed on the
merits of his Eighth Amendment claim and had entered a
preliminary injunction based on its extensive findings of fact, which
in turn were based on an expert and testimony. Relying
on medical expert testimony, the District Court concluded that mister
Hoffman was likely to succeed in showing that nitrogen gasing
super ads physiological terror compared to execution by firing squad
and then in parentheses, it says the readily available and
feasible alternative mister Hoffman proposed number two, he would likely
be horned absent a preliminary injunction, and three the equities
and the public interests weighed against the state's rushed execution
of mister Hoffman. A divided panel of the Fifth Circuit
vacated the injunction on March fourteenth, twenty twenty five, in
an opinion flatly inconsistent with this Court's precedent. As mister
Hoffman explains in his petition, a majority of the Fifth
Circuit panel misapplied the Eighth Amendment and ignored the District
Court's factual findings on the central issue of psychological terror.
The majority suggested a categorical rule that the Eighth Amendment
requires a petitioner to show that the alternative method of
execution is less physically painful than the chosen method, regardless
of the psychological effect, while giving lip service to the
Court's recognition to the super edition of terror that it
can violate the Eighth Amendment. The panel majority also completely
ignored mister Hoffman's r LUPA claim us by mister Hoffman
as an alternative basis for affirming the court's injunction. Nitrogen
hypoxia makes mister Hoffman's religious practice impossible, and then it
goes on and it gives a conglomerate of reasons that
mister Hafflins's attorneys felt the Fifth Circuit failed them for
lack of a better word. So after that was filed,
the state responded, and that's known as a brief in
opposition to the application for stay. And in that statement
of the opposition of application, the state said, in the
interest of time and efficiency, the State here addresses only
the core relevant facts and it expounds where necessary in
the argument below. On the night before Thanksgiving nineteen ninety six,
play If Jesse Hoffman kidnapped, robbed, and raped Mary Molly Elliott.
The play if kidnapped Molly at gunpoint drover to an
ATM forster to withdraw raw two hundred dollars and robbed her.
The planiff subsequently raped Molly in the backseat of her
own car in the remote area of Saint Timiny Parish.
He then marched her steal naked down a dirt path
which was overgrown with vegetation and full of trash used
as a dump. Her death march ultimately ended at a
small makeshift dock on the Middle Pearl River, where the
planiff was forced to her knees and he shot her
in the head execution style. Molly likely survived for a
few minutes after being shot, but she was not discovered
until after Thanksgiving Day, when a duck hunter came across
her naked body on the dock. For his part, the
planiff soon after took his girlfriend shopping with Molly's money.
A jury convicted the planiff of first degree murder, and
he was sentenced to death. His appeal was litigated to finality,
and he exhausted all of his state and federal post
conviction remedies. Although lethal injection was louis Suisiana's method of
execution when the planet murdered Molly, drug companies have since
made it extraordinarily difficult for states to obtain the necessary drugs.
As a result, Louisiana and other states recently have turned
to nitrogen hypoxia because there's no supply concerns with the nitrogen.
For Louisiana, that time came in the spring of twenty
twenty four, when legislatures amended and adopted nitrogen hypoxia as
a method of execution. Nitrogen hypoxia is Louisiana's only current
available method. Over the past year, Louisiana's Department of Public
Safety and Correction constructed a nitrogen hypoxia system that mirrors
Alabama and since twenty twenty four, Alabama itself has carried
out successfully for nitrogen hypoxia executions. In general terms, the
system delivers pure nitrogen to a full faced silicon mask
with a plexiglass screen known as a source respirator. Industrial
grade and superior to medical grade mask. Thick cushion material
presses against the face and creates an air tight seal.
The mask has a one way inlet valve allowing for
airflow into the mask from the industrial tube that delivers
both ambient air and nitrogen. The mask also allows for
exhaling through another one way exhaust valve the plane. If
appeared to complain the system uses industrial grade not medical
grade nitrogen, he omits that medical grade nitrogen is comparatively
inferior because it has more impurities than does Louisiana's ultra
grade nitrogen. The state's expert is the only expert in
the case who inspected and tested Louisiana's system. Specifically, he
laid down on the gurney with the mask on at
the intended flow rate, and he testified that he could
breathe very comfortably with the mask on. He also took
a video demonstrating how quickly pure nitrogen displaces oxygen in
the mask by thirty seconds, the air inside the mask
is only four point four percent, oxygen, one point eight
percent by forty seconds, and so on. Almost immediately after
legislature adopted nitrogen hypoxia, the PLANEFF attempted to reopen a
dismissed as moot case challenging Louisiana's legal injection protocol. That
case was dismissed a few years ago because Louisiana was
and still is currently unable to obtain necessary drugs with
nitrogen now permitted under Louisiana law. However, Planet filed a
motion claiming that there has since been a material and
extraordinary change of circumstances that gives rise to a live
controversy between the parties for the next eight months. However,
the District Court took no action on the motion, and
the Planet refused to file this lawsuit. Indeed, it was
not until the Planet's death warrant was issued in February
of twenty twenty five that Hoffmann's docket bounced back. The
District Court issued an order real opening the case on
procedurally dubious grounds, as the fifth Circuit in this case
would later observe. The state sought relief and secured an
administrative state on the basis that this was an improper
exercise of authority. Once the Planeff realized he would be
unable to use his old case as a challenge to
Louisiana's new method of execution, he filed this lawsuit on
February twenty fifth, and sought on February twenty six to
enjoin his execution. In the ensuing two weeks, the parties
engaged in expedited discovery motions, practice and an evidentiary hearing
on Friday, May seventh, followed by proposed findings and conclusions
filed at nine am on March ninth. This case has
substantially narrowed in the meantime because the District Court partially
granted the state's motion to dismiss certain claims from the
bench in its injunctive order that the Planeff was unlikely
to succeed on certain other claims as things, and therefore
the only life claim presented to the Fifth Circuit is
the planet's Eighth Amendment challenge to nitrogen hypoxia. Here are
a few key facts on that challenge. To begin, as
District Court recognized both Planiff and the state's experts agree
that nitrogen hypoxia does not produce physical pain. Planiff's case
thus depends on alleged psychological pain. To that end, he
testified he is a Buddhist and engages in meditative breathing
twice a day, which requires concentrated deep breasts both inhaling
and exhaling. He also testified he plans to use his
breathing techniques during his execution. He put on a PTSD expert,
doctor Sawter, who agreed that the Planiff has mastered his
breathing techniques to control any PTSD issues. In so long
as he can practice a breathing he will be able
to decrease his distrust. Planiff also put on another expert,
doctor Bickler, who testified with normal breathing in especially with
deep breasts, as the planet intends, unconsciousness will occur in
less than one minute after the pure nitrogen begins to
flow into the mask. Doctor Bickler also testified at least
in the assisted suicide contacts, allowing the free flow of
a gas into the lungs but with no oxygen, causes
a gentle hypoxic death. His only excuse for taking the
opposite position what respect to the use of nitrogen here
was that it was very different contexts than forced asphyxiation
with nitrogen in a death chamber. The state's expert agreed
on the key facts. His opinion is that Louisiana system
will cause unconsciousness within thirty five to forty seconds or
perhaps sooner once the planet begins to inhale pure nitrogen,
and he expects death to follow rapidly within ten to
fifteen minutes. I do not believe they inmate would suffer
any pain with that system, the expert said. First part,
the planet oppose the firing squad in a drug cocktail
known as DDMAPH as alternative methods to execution that renders
nitrogen hypoxia unconstitutional. In granting the planet's motion for a
preliminary injunction on March eleventh, the District Court rejected DDMAPH
because the state cannot use drugs for execution purposes, but
agreed that the firing squad is a suitable alternative. On
March fourteenth, the Fifth Circuit vacated that injunction as not
just wrong, but constitutionally backwards. Specifically, the Fifth Circuit rejected
the idea that the Eighth Amendment somehow requires Louisiana to
use admittingly more painful methods of execution, namely execution by
firing squad rather than nitrogen hypoxia. The Fifth Circuit recognized
that both sides experts testified about pain from the firing squad,
while agreeing that nitrogen hypoxia is physical painless in some
the District Court didn't just get the legal analysis wrong,
it turned the Constitution on its head by relying on
indisputably more painful method of execution than nitrogen hypoxia. Reasonable
minds can differ on the proper understanding of the Eighth
Amendment and in certain cases, but surely we can all
agree that it does not require state officials to favor
more painful methods of execution over less painful ones. Judge
Hayne descended on the ground that there are issues that
need more time to be resolved and decided. She also
believed that the majority opinion does not adequately address the
facts as properly found by the District Court. So that
was their response, and long story short on that one
Supreme Court did not rule on the case. They actually
said the state pretty much got it right, and they
weren't going to hear it. So the execution was on,
and it had been fifteen years since Louisiana had executed someone.
And as I mentioned earlier, some reporters are allowed into
the chamber, and one in particular did a really fantastic
job of covering from start to finish. I'm going to
read that for you. It's from the Timespeaky Unit says
Jesse Hoffman's final moments inside the Louisiana execution chamber at Angola,
and it goes on to read A waft of spring
flowers and low chant filled the entryway to Louisiana's execution
building on Tuesday, as seven designated witnesses filed inside. The
source of the channing soon became apparent. The condemned man's
spiritual advisor, dressed in a black robe, appeared through a
side window as prison officials led him into the death chamber.
It was six seventeen pm inside Camp F at the
Louisiana State Penitentiary in Gola, where no one has been
executed since twenty ten. Laminated signs on the walls cautioned
nitrogen hypoxia system is active and pressurized. A pair of
meters on the wall in the viewing room put the
air at a healthy twenty point seven percent oxygen, though
was quiet and heavy as a pair of curtains rose.
On Louisiana's first execution using nitrogen gas, Jesse Hoffman Junior
appeared through a picture window. He was already stripped onto
the execution table and draped in a plush gray blanket.
A blue industrial gray respirator covered his face, leaving little
of Hoffman to see as he laid an incline facing
the window. Armsplayed in a cruciform table. Only a portion
of his neck and hands were visible, thumbs touching forefingers
in a sacred Buddhist pose as in Gola Warden. Darryl
Venet reach for a microphone. Would you like to make
a last statement? He said. Hoffman, forty six, tossed his
head to the side and seemed to say nothing. He
also declined a last meal. A president official later said,
Vaney adjusted a valve on the mask covering Hoffman's face.
The state will now carry out the execution of condemned
inmate Jesse Hoffman. He said there would be no signal
for when the ultra high grade nitrogen called in for
Louisiana's new execution protocol would begin to enter the mask
and kill Hoffman. Official said, and a briefing later that
had happened at six point twenty one pm, and that
the gas ran for nineteen minutes. Tubing leed from a
wall under the blanket at Hoffman's right hand. At six
point twenty two pm, his breathing became uneven, his chest rose,
and he made a jerking motion. A minute later, Hoffman's
body shook and his fingers twisched. He appeared to pull
at the arms of the table, which has bolted into
a ceramic tile floor in the center block chamber. Hoffman's
hands began to clinch, his head stayed turned to his right,
his breathing slowed. Birds could be heard chirping under cloudless
skies near dust from a witness room, which included only
the state officials and news reporters, divided by a wall romoku.
Gregory Smith, the Buddhist spiritual advisor Hoffman, chose to accompany
his death, knelt on a rug a few feet away,
rarely taking his eyes off of Hoffman. An oxygen mon
arrested nearby on a seal. Hoffman's head remained tilted towards
the room with the nitrogen tanks. At six twenty six pm,
Hoffman's head moved inside the mass. Less than a minute later,
a few seconds before six twenty seven pm, he jerked slightly.
It would be the last significant movement Hoffman would make
in a life he had mostly spent on death row.
To his left, the nat stood in a charcoal suit
and black loafers, beside an anonymous prison official. Minutes past,
Hoffman's breathing slowed, then became imperceptible on the wall behind
his head. A pair of red bones, installed in case
of a need to communicate last minute reprieves remained still
and silent while Hoffman died under bright fluorescent light. At
six point thirty eight pm, Smith cast his eyes downward
toward the floor as he knelt. A few minutes later,
Finoid pressed a button and the curtains descended. Rythmic deep
chanting and popping soon could be heard from the obscured chamber,
part of Hoffman's state. Approve's spiritual sind off. The pops
and chance continued for more than four minutes before they
wind down. When the curtains rose again at six point
fifty two pm, Smith had left the room, Westcott, the
correction secretary, had entered it. Fenoy announced the execution was
complete and placed the time of death at six point
fifty pm. Hoffman's face had been made visible for the
first time. The mass used to kill him was now removed.
His head was tilted back, teeth exposed in a grimace
as the curtains slowly descended once more. Pretty descriptive. Now
in the clip I'm about to play you the age
for Louisiana, Liz Muhral did something I really liked to see.
She held a press conference and she highlighted the victim
in this case as she held up a large picture
and really did a good job of keeping the perspective
where it needed to be in my view, which is
on the victim. And here's what that sounded like.
Speaker 4: This was Mary Margaret Murphy Elliot. She was known to
her friends as Molly. On November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety six,
on Thanksgiving Day, a duck hunter found Molly Elliott's naked
dead body abandoned on a makeshift doc where she had
been shot in the head executions style after being kidnapped, robbed, terrorized,
raped and marched to this desolate spot for her death.
Molly was brutally and mercilessly raped and murdered. She was
only twenty eight years old. That was nearly thirty years ago.
Tonight justice was served for Molly Elliott and for the
state of Louisiana. Molly's husband told USA Today, Molly was
a cherished person who missed out on motherhood, a promising
and successful career, and a life in the country on
the property we bought together. Hers was a life that
was so full of hope and promise for a beautiful future.
The loss of Molly is a scar we will forever carry,
and it will never heal. Governor Landry and I made
a promise to the citizens of Louisiana and the family
members of the victims of these heinous crimes, that we
would put them first and that we would follow the law.
The last execution in Louisiana was in twenty ten of
Gerald Bordelawn, who waived all of his final appeals. Justice
has been delayed for these victims and their families for
far too long. I, along with my office, remain committed
to ensuring that justice is carried out in all the
death penalty cases. Jesse Hoffman was convicted and sentenced to
death by a jury for his heinous crimes. He received
multiple appeals. He received even more appeals and review in
the last several days. Now he faces his ultimate judge
judgment before God.
Speaker 1: This time we'll open it up to questions. We will
start from the last data this sort.
Speaker 5: Can anyone at the prison speak to how sort of
raw was affected on the staff.
Speaker 1: And Christeners in the days leading up to their secution? Yeah,
do you want to know them? Can we get more
quarter quarter going? Come on up, dip, good evening.
Speaker 6: Our staff is our professionals. Their morale was not effected affected,
you know, I'm sure, I'm sure that they all had
their own views. But I'm so proud of my team,
my staff, everyone was so professional. They showed mister Harper
dignity and respect and did their jobs and I am
proud of them. The death row inmates, Uh, today, they
were kind of quiet, but that's to be expected. I've
showed that in the past. But no problems, very respectful,
just kind of quiet and solve them today.
Speaker 4: Were any of them family as they were not? But
with the governor and I've both been in contact with them,
as have people from the District Attorney's office in Saint
Tammany and the detectives who investigate this case from the outset,
So they've been in close contact with the family.
Speaker 5: Commissioner Warden. Any problems that you guys, obviously, this is
something that's brand new to you guys, using as a
as an execution tool.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you ran into, any concerns and
problems witness being carried out for the very first time.
Speaker 7: I'll say my staff, as everybody knows, we followed the
protocol of Alabama.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 7: We let them lead the way and we followed them.
We actually probably did a little bit better than they
did with some of the equipment we did, and we've
made some tweaks.
Speaker 1: To what they did. It.
Speaker 7: It was flawless. It went about as good as we
can expect we expected.
Speaker 1: It to be.
Speaker 7: We had no problems. We are, like the warden said,
our staff is trained for this, uh and it went.
It went about as flawless as we could expect it
to be. There was no there was nothing that happened
that we want to work for.
Speaker 5: And right.
Speaker 7: So what is your message to the people outside, people
who are there with individuals and saying not and it's
not just what the it made, but it also the victim.
Speaker 4: But they're saying they want the definitely not to.
Speaker 1: Be in the museum. That's takular.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a legislative policy issue. And certainly they are
free to advocate and to pray and to continue to
support whatever their views are. But this is the law
of Louisiana, and we carried out the law of the
State of Louisiana.
Speaker 8: So you said that you had authorities have bit in
touch with the family of Molly Elliott, and they were
not unanimously and they were carrying out this execution. So
what do you say to the family not a favor
of execution in this case as well as other cases
going forward, and leave you hear the concern and family
members of victims who don't want.
Speaker 1: It the execution.
Speaker 4: I can tell you that Molly Elliott's immediate family members
did not oppose this moving forward. They are grateful to
have finality and I was in direct communication with them
during this process. So you know, other people might have
their opinions, but I don't think it was the opinion
of the immediate family members. I think they're grateful to
have finality. What was frustrating for them is that it
took thirty years. Yeah, yeah, so will those executioners speed
up the process of other indix who our development. We
certainly expect to go back and look at how to
make sure that we move these cases along. I've already
been looking at that, looking at every case and what
the status is of every case. Some of these cases
have been sitting for a couple of decades with motions
that the defense attorneys frank frankly should have moved forward
a long time ago, a long time ago. We'll address
those issues as we can, but yes, we expect to
move more forward. Going off of that, Since you guys
say this is you know, this is a Christians as
the executions for ten.
Speaker 7: Years, how soon do you expect the next execution?
Speaker 4: How many executions are you expected to be carried out this?
I couldn't answer that. They're at all different stages in litigation.
And and because this one did move forward, there have
been new filings in a lot of these cases and
we just have to go sort that out in the court.
So it's really it's really impossible to say, but my staff,
my team and I really want to compliment all of
the lawyers that work together with the District Attorney's office
in Saint Tammany, with my office. Really all kind of
came together because there were filings in multiple courts for
the last few days, and you know, I think that
that will continue to happen, but we're going to start
working our way through motions and begin to clear the
underbrush and move these cases forward. Every everybody deserves the
justice that the state promised to them in these cases,
and I think that it's important for us to be
able to move them forward.
Speaker 5: As you, earl, you've advocated for this policy for a
long time.
Speaker 2: Did you face the potential of witnessing execution?
Speaker 1: So did you wrestle with that.
Speaker 4: I certainly had the opp tinnity to I sat by
a phone because I was somebody had to sit by
the telephone. So I sat and waited by the phone
in case there was something that I needed to communicate
to the room. My staff was present, there were a
number of people who were present, but somebody had to
sit by the phone, and so I sat by the phone.
Speaker 1: No two part questions.
Speaker 3: I know that you gave the timeline as to when
the lethal guys started blowing up.
Speaker 8: When he was nail step.
Speaker 3: Did it actually take all thirty minutes for him to die?
And also did he exhibit any visible sign of distress
while the execution was being carried out.
Speaker 7: My chief of prison operation set Smith as a medical background,
and he's the one that was in the room watching,
So I'm gonna turn it over to.
Speaker 5: Him, okay to answer that. And like I said, I
have a medical background. What is your name, Sir Seth
A ctch Smith. I've got a degree in nursing, and
I wore practiced and had a license up until a
twenty ten, which time I let it lapse. So I
was a nurse for over a decade. I've seen a
lot of deaths. I was even hospice administrator for some
point in time six twenty one, the gas was turned on,
the nitrogen was turned on around six twenty three. He
did have some convulsive activity, and I was told he
may have had even some fine motor stuff after that
that I personally didn't see from my angle. Nothing that
I would say is consistent with pain, Nothing that I
would say is inconsistent with death. You know, when the
normal dying process, people do things such as agonal respirations,
they will raise up, they will do things like that,
even somebody that's terminal illness with high doses of morphine
things like that in their system. So you know you
can he did move, He did shake very briefly. And
when you asked you to take the entire time, our
protocol calls for us to go five minutes after flatlin.
And you don't go from a normal rhythm, your heart's
beat and everything's lucky dory.
Speaker 1: To flatline.
Speaker 5: You go through various phases where actually you're dead. You know,
we waited till there was no electrical activity in the heart,
which took I want to say, fourteen minutes, and then
we went five minutes beyond that. So we went nineteen minutes,
but he, in essence was clinically dead very quickly, very quickly,
say I ask you a question, Well, okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So following that, the governor of the state of Louisiana,
Jeff Landry, he also issued his statement those short and
here's how that wreck. It is unfortunate that bad people exist,
and they do real bad things. When these acts of
violence happened, society must not tolerate it. God is as
just as he is merciful. And my hope is that
when Louisiana empties death Row, there will never be another
victim whose perpetrator must be placed there. In Louisiana, we
will always prioritize victims over criminal law and order over lawlessness,
and justice over the status quo. If you commit hanous
acts of violence in this state, it will cost you
your life, plain simple one. That from Jeff Landry. So
there you have it, and now that justice has been
served using this new method, and I would suspect more
will be rolling out in short order, and of course
I will keep you posted on that. Thank you so
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calling my name. There is no mercy and it's been
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