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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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this episode, we're going to dive into some core documents

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between Virginia Roberts and Prince Andrew, and this is going

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to give us a look behind the scenes at what

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the official narrative was and what the official argument was

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inside of those core documents that led to Prince Andrew

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settling with Virginia Roberts. So let's just dive in and

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get started with Part one. Case number twenty one dot

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CV DOT sixty seven two. Virginia Jeoffrey, Plaintiff against Prince Andrew,

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Duke of York in his personal capacity, also known as

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Andrew Albert Christian Edward the defendant. Plaintiff, Virginia Roberts. Jeoffrey

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brings this action against defendant Prince Andrew, Duke of York

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for battery and intentional infliction of emotional distress. In short,

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she alleges that the late Jeffrey Epstein and the others

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trafficker to Prince Andrew, who took advantage of her situation

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by sexually abusing her when she was under the age

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of eighteen. Defendant denies Miss Jeoffrey's allegations and attacks her

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credibility and motives. He asserts that she was complicit in

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Epstein's unlawful activities, but this is a motion to dismiss

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Miss Jeoffrey's complaint as legally insufficient, not to determine the

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truth or falsicity of charges in her complaint, and defendant

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relies mainly, although not exclusively, on a two thousand and

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nine agreement between Miss Joffrey and Epstein that settled a

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different lawsuit between Jeoffrey and Epstein that defendant now argues

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released him from any liability to Miss Jeoffrey. The fact

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that the defendant has brought the matter before the court

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on a motion to dismiss the complaint as legally insufficient

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is of central importance, as it is well known to lawyers,

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but perhaps not known to the lay public. The defendant,

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by making this motion, placed upon the court the unyielding

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duty to assume, for the purpose of this motion only

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the truth of all of the plaintiff's allegations, and to

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draw in Plaintiff's favor all inferences that reasonably may be

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drawn from those allegations. In consequence, the law prohibits the

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court from considering at this stage of the proceedings defendant's

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efforts to cast doubt on the truth of Miss Joffrey's allegations,

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even though his efforts would be permissible at a trial

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in a similar vein and for similar reasons. It's not

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open to the court now to decide, as a matter

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of fact just what the parties to the release in

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the two thousand and nine settlement agreement signed by Miss

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Joffrey and mister Epstein actually meant. As will appear more

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fully below, the court's job at this juncture is simply

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to determine whether there are two or more reasonable interpretations

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of that document. If there are, the determination of the

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right or controlling interpretation must await further proceedings. The facts,

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except as otherwise noted, The facts are drawn from Miss

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Jeoffrey's complaint. It bears repeating that its allegations are deemed

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true for purposes of this motion, whatever a trier of

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fact ultimately might decide at a trial. The Epstein sex

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trafficking scheme Plaintiff's allegations arise principally from a sex trafficking

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scheme orchestrated by the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, which

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by now has been publicized widely. According to Miss Joffrey's complaint,

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Epstein sexually abused more than thirty minor girls in the

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United States and overseas from about nineteen ninety nine two

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two thousand seven, in concert with paid employees and others,

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notably Glayne Maxwell, who recently was convicted in this district

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of sex trafficking in connection with the Epstein events, Epstein

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and others lured vulnerable young girls into a scheme for

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abuse for Epstein's own sexual gratification and for that of

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some of his powerful and wealthy friends. Epstein relied on

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Maxwell and others to identify and target vulnerable young girls

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in numerous settings, including schools, spas, trailer parks, and the street.

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Epstein's recruiters lured these girls into his orbit with the

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promise of what appeared to be legitimate massuse's positions. Once

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manipulated into returning to one of Epstein's residences, however, the

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girls were groomed for abuse by Epstein and others through

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displays of wealth, power and sexual imagery. Once initial sexual

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abuse had occurred, Epstein and Maxwell further manipulated the victims

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with a combination of promises, threats, and surveillance. At its height,

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Epstein's sexual abuse scheme, managed principally by Maxwell, was transcontinental.

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Using his private jet, Epstein traffick dozens of miners for

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sexual abuse at his New York mansion, his New Mexico ranch,

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his private island in the US Virgin Islands, his Palm

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Beach Floorlorida State, and elsewhere. In two thousand and eight,

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he pleaded guilty in Florida to procuring a miner for

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a prostitution. Again, according to Miss Jeoffrey's complaint, the defendant

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first met Epstein in nineteen ninety nine through the former's

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close friend, Glen Maxwell. Over the next several years, the

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defendant traveled with Epstein and Maxwell on Epstein's private plane

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and was a guest at Epstein's numerous homes, including the

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private island in the US Virgin Islands, Little Saint James,

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and properties in Palm Beach and New York City. Epstein

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and Maxwell were guests at the defendant's fortieth birthday party

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in two thousand, as well as at birthday parties that

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the defendant threw for Maxwell in Sandringham, United Kingdom in

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the same year. In two thousand and six, one month

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after the Florida State prosecutors charged Epstein with procuring a

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miner for prostitution. The defendant invited Epstein to the eighteenth

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birthday party of one of the defendant's daughters as recently

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as two thousand and therefore, after Epstein had done jail

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time in connection with the two thousand and six Florida

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charges and registered as a sex offender, the defendant was

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photographed with Epstein and State at Epstein's New York City mansion.

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Epstein recruits plaintiff Miss jeoffrey'skin plane continues. Maxwell recruited Miss

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Joffrey into Epstein's sex trafficking activities in two thousand, when

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Miss Joffrey was sixteen years old and employed at the

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Marralago Club in Palm Beach. Like other minor girls whom

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Epstein and Maxwell targeted, plaintiff initially was recruited to provide

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massages and thereafter to engage in a variety of sexual

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acts for Epstein. From two thousand through two thousand and two,

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plaintiff traveled frequently with Epstein, both within the United States

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and internationally on his private plane. In addition to being

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on call for Epstein for sexual purposes, plaintiff on other occasions,

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was lent out to other powerful men, including the defendant.

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The defendants alleged sexual abuse. The complaint alleges, and the Court,

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for present purposes is obliged to accept that the defendant

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sexually abused Miss Joffrey when she was under the age

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of eighteen years old. On one occasion, defendant allegedly forced

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plaintiff to have sex with them against her will, at

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Maxwell's home in London. Miss Joffrey's complaint includes a reproduction

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of a now widely published photograph of Miss Jeoffrey, Prince Andrew,

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and Maxwell at Maxwell's home, which plaintiff says was taken

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prior to that event. On another occasion, defendant allegedly abused

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Miss Joffrey during a visit to Epstein's private island, Little

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Saint James. Miss Joffrey alleges also that defendant abused her

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at Epstein's mansion on the Upper East Side of Manhattan,

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which lies within this judicial district. During that particular encounter,

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Maxwell force plaintiff, a child and another victim to sit

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on Prince Andrew's lap as Prince Andrew touched her. During

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this visit to New York, according to the complaint, the

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defendant forced Miss Joffrey to engage in sex acts against

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her will and was aware of both of her age

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and that she was coerced into a sex trafficking victim.

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In each of these encounters, Plaintiff alleges Epstein, Maxwell and

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the defendant compelled her to engage in sexual acts by

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express or implied threat. In consequence, Plaintiff feared death or

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physical injury to herself or another, among other repercussions, if

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she disobeyed. Miss Joffrey asserts the defendant's actions caused and

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continue to cause her significant emotional and psychological distress and

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harm the Florida State prosecution and the Federal non prosecution agreement.

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At this point, it's helpful and appropriate to refer to

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facts not alleged in the complaint in this case, but

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of which the court takes judicial notice. In July of

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two thousand and six, a Florida State grand jury indicted

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Epstein in a state court on a single count of

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felony solicitation of prostitution, which is the Florida State indictment

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as will appear. That charge remain pending until mid two

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thousand and eight. As previously noted. Defendant's motion in this

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case relies heavily on the two thousand and nine agreement

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between Epstein and Miss Joffrey, which already is before the

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Court as a matter of judicial notice the two thousand

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and nine agreement. The two thousand and nine agreement contains

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the following paragraph. The Court takes judicial notice only to

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the extent of the fact set fourth in this section

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of this opinion, and in this case documents for the

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existence of contents of the documents, but not for the

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truth of assertions the documents contained. Ce in reply to

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of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility Report investigation into the U. S.

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Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida's resolution of

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its two thousand and six two thousand and eight Federal

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Criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and its interactions with victims

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during the investigation. Example one November twentieth, twenty twenty. The

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OPR report contains a great deal of information about how

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the NPA came to pass, but the Court does not

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take judicial notice of its statements or consider it in

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its deciding motion. The first and second parties further stipulate

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and agree that this settlement agreement is pursuant and is

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in fulfillment of Jeffrey Epstein's obligation to Virginia Roberts or

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Jeoffrey pursueant to and in conformity with a non prosecution agreement,

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its addendum and its affirmation between Jeffrey Epstein and the

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United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. Thus,

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the terms of the non prosecution Agreement the NPA may

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shed light on the meaning of the two thousand and

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nine agreement. The Court therefore takes judicial notice of the NPA,

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its addendum and affirmation for present purposes. The following terms

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of the NPA are of possible interests. Here one Epstein

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agreed to plead guilty to the Florida State indictment and

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to a state information charging him with the solicitation of

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miners to engage in prostitution. Two, the US Attorney's Office

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agreed to provide Epstein's attorneys with a list of individuals

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whom it had identified as victims as defined in US

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Code eighteen, section twenty two fifty five, and, in consultation

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within subjects to the good faith approval of Epstein's council,

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would select an attorney representative for these persons, who would

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be paid for by Epstein. Epstein's lawyers could contact the

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identified individuals through that representative. Three, Epstein agreed that if

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one or more of the individuals whom the government had

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identified as victims elected to sue Epstein under US Code eighteen,

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section twenty two fifty five, Epstein would not contest jurisdiction

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over him in the Florida Federal Court and would waive

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his right to contest his liability. In addition, he would

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waive his right to contest damages up to an amount

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as agreed to between the identified individual and Epstein, so

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long as the identified individual elected to proceed exclusively under

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US Code eighteen, section twenty two fifty five and agree

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to waive any other claim for damages, whether pursuant to state, federal,

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or common law. Epstein's waivers, however, would not apply to

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anyone who had not been identified by the government as

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a victim, or having been so identified, did not proceed

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exclusively under US Code eighteen, section twenty two to fifty

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five four. The US Attorney's Office agreed that it would

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not prosecute Epstein nor institute any criminal charges against any

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potential co conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to,

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for specifically identified persons, if Epstein pleaded guilty to the

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Florida charges and otherwise discharged his obligations under the NPA.

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The NPA bears signatures dated variously in late September and

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in October of two thousand and seven. Miss Jeffreys can

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Plan alleges that Epstein pled guilty to the Florida information

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and presumably the indictment in two thousand and eight. All right,

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we're going to wrap up part one there, and in

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the next episode we're going to pick up with part two.

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All of the information that go with this episode can

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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and

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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're

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gonna pick up right where we left off with the

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opinion from Judge Kaplan in the Prince Andrew and Virginia

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Roberts aka Virginia Jeoffrey lawsuit, So let's just get right

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back to it. Miss Jeoffrey's Florida suit against Epstein. In

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May of two thousand and nine, while Epstein was incarcerated

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in Palm Beach County, Florida, as a result of his

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guilty plea to the Florida state charges, Miss Joffrey sued

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Epstein in the United States District Court for the Southern

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District of Florida the Florida Case under US Code eighteen,

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Section twenty two fifty five, as an alleged victim of

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Epstein's alleged federal sex trafficking, sexual exploitation, and child pornography offenses.

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Her complaint asserted that Epstein and Epstein's adult male peers,

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including royalty politicians, academics, businessmen, and other professionals and personal acquaintances,

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had sexually exploited her. Miss Jeoffrey and Epstein entered into

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the two thousand and nine agreement entitled Settlement Agreement and

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General Release pursuant to which Jeoffrey voluntarily dismissed her action

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against Epstein in exchange for five hundred thousand dollars. The

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defendant argues that Miss Joffrey's claims against him are barred

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by the terms of the two thousand and nine agreement.

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The federal criminal case against Epstein. On July second, twenty nineteen,

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a grand jury in this district indicted Epstein for an

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alleged sex trafficking conspiracy and the substantiative crime of sex

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trafficking in violation of Code eighteen, Section fifteen ninety one.

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He was arrested on July eighth, twenty nineteen. On August tenth,

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twenty nineteen, Epstein was found dead in his cell at

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the Metropolitan Correctional Center two thousand and nine agreement. The

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two thousand and nine agreement is the crux of Defendant's motion.

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It contains six and the fraction pages of substantiative text,

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consisting of nine individually labeled provisions. These are an agreement

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to dismiss the Florida case. Section one A one and

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a half one half page provision, caption general release that

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contains additional covenants beyond the releasing language. Section two A

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payment Section Section three a confidentiality provision, Section four, covenants

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dealing with maintaining Miss Jeoffrey's anonymity, Section five, a no

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contact covenant, Section six, a provision relating to govern in

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law an enforcement of the agreement, Section seven, A clause

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concerning attorneys fees Section eight, and a collection of miscellaneous

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provisions Section nine. A number of these provisions bear importantly

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on the resolution of this motion, and are discussed in

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detail below, so there is no need to quote or

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summarize them in great detail here. Suffice it to say,

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by the way of introduction, that this motion raises two

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pivotal issues regarding the two thousand and nine Agreement. Whether

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the two thousand and nine agreement demonstrates that its releasing

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language in section two unambiguously applies to this defendant, and

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if so, whether the defendant, who is not a party

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two nor mentioned in the agreement, is entitled to invoke it.

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The two thousand and nine Agreement is far from a

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model of clear and precise drafting. Both sides agree that

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mister Epstein and Miss Joffrey agreed to its language, it

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must have meant something to them, But Miss Joffrey and

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the defendant in this case disagree emphatically as to what

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it meant with respect to both issues. The discussion one

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dismissal on the basis of the two thousand and nine

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agreement is not justified. On this motion a legal principles

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one materials properly considered, the defendant moves to dismiss pursuing

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to Rule twelve B six. As noted previously, the Court,

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in this posture must accept as true all well pleaded

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factual allegations in the complaint and draw all reasonable inferences

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that can be drawn from them in the light of

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the most favorable to the plaintiff, with limited exceptions. This

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motion must be decided solely on the basis of the

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allegations of the complaint, without regard to any extraneous claims

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or materials. The two thousand and nine agreement neither appears

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in nor is referred to, in the complaint, but the

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copy before the Court concededly is authentic. Its wording, as

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distinguished from its legal effect, is undisputed, and the Court

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consequently has taken judicial notice of it. Moreover, notwithstanding the

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general rule that an affirmative defense is not considered at

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this stage of the litigation, such a defense may be

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raised by a pre aanswer motion to dismiss on Rule

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twelve B six if the defense appears on the face

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of the complaint, and while the defendant's argument does not

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rest on the face of the complaint. Here that is

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a distinction without a difference. In light of the fact

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that the wording of the two thousand and nine agreement,

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again as distinguished from its legal effect, is accepted by

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both parties. Accordingly, the Court considers Defendant's argument two governing law.

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The two thousand and nine agreement provides that it shall

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be governed by the laws of the state of Florida.

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The parties agree Accordingly, the Court applies Florida law to

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the two pivotal questions that bear on the defendant's release.

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Argument B. Analysis of the two thousand and nine agreement one,

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whether the defendant is among the purportedly released persons. We

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begin by focusing on the first two pages of the

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two thousand and nine agreement, which contains sections one and two.

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Section one contains the agreement of plaintiff and Jeffrey Epstein

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to dismiss plaint gives Florida case upon receipt of a

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monetary payment. Section two, which occupies one and one half

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typewritten pages contains, among other things, language by which first

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parties generally Miss Joffrey and some others released second parties,

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generally Epstein and some others, and any other person or

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entity who could have been included as a potential defendant

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other potential defendants from all and all manner of claims

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that said first parties ever had or may have against Jeffrey,

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Epstein or other potential defendants. The defendant insists that he

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was among the other potential defendants and therefore was released

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by Miss Jeoffrey from all and all manner of claims

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that she ever had against him. Miss Jeoffrey maintains, with

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equal adamancy that she was not among the other potential

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defendants that the parties to the two thousand and nine

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agreement had in mind. The basic principles of Florida law

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that govern in this aspect of the party's dispute are clear.

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Unless contract language is unambiguous and free of conflicting inferences,

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ambiguity must be resolved as the question of fact. In

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other words, unless the terms of an agreement leave no

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reasonable doubt about the intent of the contracting parties, The

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ambiguity must be resolved by the trier of fact ordinarrowly

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a trial jury. The court may not resolve any such

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ambiguity on a motion to dismiss the complaint. Whether a

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contract is ambiguous is a question of law, specifically, whether

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the agreement in whole, or by its terms and conditions,

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is reasonably susceptible to more than one interpretation. That is

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so even where both sides insist that language is unambiguous

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but ascribe materially different meanings to it. In this case,

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everyone agrees that the phrase could have been included as

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a potential defendant other potential defendant must mean something. No

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doubt that it is so, nor is there much doubt

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that better drafting probably could have eliminated any uncertainty as

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to the meaning. In fact, however, the meaning of the

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phrase is far from self evident. For a number of reasons.

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We perhaps should begin with a question of what was

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meant by could have been included as a potential defendant,

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as opposed to could have been included as a defendant.

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One might suppose that whether one was or could have

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been included as a defendant not included as a potential

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defendant is clear enough, although even that seemingly simple supposition,

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as we will see, is not accurate in the context

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of this case. But the concept of inclusion as a

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potential defendant is even less capable of a definition if

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the quoted language from section two of the two thousand

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and nine agreement, that is, the phrase could have been

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included as a potential defendant was intended to mean someone

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who was not actually a defendant when the two thousand

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and nine agreement was signed, but who might have been

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a defendant previously. If the plaintiff had named him or

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her as an actual defendant, then the word potential would

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be entirely superfluous. That is so because the language would

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mean exactly the same thing or without the word potential.

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Put another way, the phrase under consideration would mean exactly

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the same thing, even if one deleted the word potentially entirely.

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It is a basic rule of contractual construction that a

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contract should be constructed whenever possible, in a manner that

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gives meaning to every word and phrase. The presumption is

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that contracting parties do not include words or phrases for

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no purpose. Nevertheless, the parties have briefed this matter as

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if the word potential were not in the agreement at all,

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and as the Court sees no other appropriate course, it

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will do so. As well, it sees no way to

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construe it in a manner that would give non redundant

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meaning to the word potential. So we come to the

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question of what was meant by the phrase could have

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been included as a defendant? At one level, of course,

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literally anyone could have been included as a defendant. If

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the plaintiff had wished to include someone else, anyone else

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as a defendant, she easily could have done so. Someone

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can be included as a defendant in a lawsuit simply

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by including that person's name in the caption of a complaint.

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Nothing else is required, But neither party takes that position,

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despite the fact it would be consistent with the literal

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terms of the two thousand and nine agreement. Rather, defendant

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argues that he could have been included as a potential

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defendant in the Florida case because Miss Joffrey made a

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general reference to Royalty in her Florida complaint, even though

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it did not name Prince Andrew as a defendant, nor

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even mention his name. Plaintiff rejoins that Prince Andrew could

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not have been included as a defendant in the Florida

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case because one, he was not subject to a personal

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jurisdiction there and two in any case, the claims that

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plaintiff brought against Apstein and the Florida case were based

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solely on US Code eighteen, Section twenty two to fifty five,

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which created a federal civil cause of action in favor

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of anyone who while a minor was injured in consequence

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of a violation of any of several federal criminal statutes.

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As to the latter, she contends that Prince Andrew could

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not have been sued in Florida case under any of

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the section twenty two to fifty five predicate statutes because

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there was no basis for doing so. The party's respective

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position show that they agree that the release language, i e.

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The phrase could have been included as a defendant applies

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only if there is a nexus between the person in

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question and the claim Miss Jeoffrey made against Abstein in

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the Florida case. They disagree, however, as to the nature

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of the requisite nexus. The defendant argues that the nexus

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is the applied by plaintiff's complaint in the Florida case.

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It charged Jeffrey Epstein to quote the defendant in this

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case with sex trafficking and sexual abuse. It alleged that

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girls whom Epstein trafficked were abused by others, including unspecified royalty.

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That defendant submits is enough. From the plaintiff's standpoint, Defendant's

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position is too extreme, As noted, the Florida complaint did

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not mention Prince Andrew. Moreover, Miss Joffrey argues in substance

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that one could have been included as a defendant only

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if that could have been done on the same basis

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as the claim in the Florida case was made against Epstein,

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violation of one or more of the section twenty two

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fifty five predicate criminal statutes, and even then two only

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if that person would have been subject to the personal

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jurisdiction of the Florida Court. Yet there is no basis

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for concluding that defendant would have been subject to the

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personal jurisdiction of the Florida Court. Nothing in Miss Jeoffrey's

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Florida complaint indicates that the defendant violated any of the

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section twenty two to fifty five predicates, nor is it

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reference to royalty sufficient remedy this absence, The crux of

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the Florida case was that Epstein harm Miss Joffrey by

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trafficking her for sex with himself and with others. Indeed,

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Defendant's council made clear at oral arguments his view that

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the complaint against Epstein was that Epstein traffic Miss Joffrey

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to a number of individuals, forced her into sex slavery,

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and forced her to have sex or be sexually abused

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by many people, including members of academia, including businessmen, and

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the category of royalty. There is no suggestion in the

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Florida case that this defendant was himself engaged in sex trafficking.

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In considering whether the only reasonable interpretation of the phrase

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could have been included as a defendant is one advanced

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by the defendant, ie that it would be inherently be

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unreasonable to construe that phrase as referring only to persons

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who could have been sued in the Florida case on

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essentially the same theory as was Epstein, and over whom

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the Florida Court could have exercised personal jurisdiction. It is

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helpful also to consider the context in which the two

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thousand and nine agreement was signed to the extent context

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can be ascertained on the present record. Of course, we

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do not know what, if anything, went through the party's

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minds with respect to the specific terms of the two

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thousand and nine agreement. Hypothetically, we can imagine that someone

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in Epstein's position might have thought at the time this

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agreement to settle the Florida case was made. At least

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some of the goals of such a person presumably would

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have been to end the Florida case, to gain as

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much protection for himself as he could against involvement in

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similar litigation in the future, and to do so for

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an acceptable price. In other words, a possible concern could

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have been that one Miss Joffrey, having settled with Epstein,

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would sue someone else else two, who in turn might

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make a claim against Epstein, a a claim over based

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on a contention that Epstein should bear or at least

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contribute to, any liability that person might be found to

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have to Miss Joffrey. Obtaining a release from Miss Joffrey

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of claims against such a person therefore could eliminate the

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possibility of a claim over against Epstein. But the objectives

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of one in Epstein's position were unlikely to have been

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shared by other contracting party. An individual in Miss Jeoffrey's position,

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and that matters. The goals of one in Miss Joffrey's

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position hypothetically could have included getting as much money as

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she could for settling the case and keeping as much

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of her freedom to go after other alleged wrongdoers as

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she could while still getting an acceptable sum of money.

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Limiting the release language to persons who could have been

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sued in a particular court on a particular type of

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claim could secure that freedom to a substantial degree. The

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logic of the situation thus suggests that the parties to

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the two thousand and nine agreement had competing goals, and

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the muddled release language that they agreed upon suggests that

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they may have arrived at something of a middle ground,

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a release extending not as broadly as Epstein ideally may

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have wanted, and somewhat more broadly than what would have

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been best case outcome for Ms. Joffrey. Moreover, it would

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not be unreasonable to recognize, among other considerations, that the

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settlement amount may have been affected by the views of

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both parties concerning the terms of the release. Epstein perhaps

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would not have been willing to pay a price demanded

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for the broadest possible release of other persons, or short

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of that clearer language. Concerning the nexus between other potential

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defendants and claims in the Florida case, there are additional

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considerations supporting the reasonableness of plaintiff's interpretation of the phrase

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could have been included as a defendant. For one thing,

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the Florida case was brought in a federal court. The

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sole alleged basis of federal jurisdiction was section twenty two

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to fifty five of Title eighteen of the United States Code,

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which confers subject matter jurisdiction on federal courts only with

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respect to claims based on alleged violations of certain federal

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criminal statutes. The complaint in the Florida case specifically alleged

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that Epstein had committed a number of such violations, but

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at nowhere alleges that this defendant committed any. It's not

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clear that a claim in the Florida case against this

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defendant would have been within the subject matter jurisdiction of

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the Florida court, even on a co conspirator or supplemental

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jurisdiction theory. It is questionable also whether the Florida court

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could have exercised personal jurisdiction over this defendant even assuming

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the subject matter jurisdiction existed. All right, folks, we're gonna

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wrap up with part two here and in the next

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episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All

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of the information that goes with this episode can be

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found in the description box.

