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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>on with the show. All right, Big for Society. You

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<v Speaker 1>got the privilege of chatting with mister Brian Terrell from

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<v Speaker 1>Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations down there in the great state

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<v Speaker 1>of Oklahoma. How's it going today, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going great man. Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I've been wanting to chat with you for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. I love talking to people from Oklahoma. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys have one of the coolest states when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Bigfoot encryptids, and some people get back out of

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<v Speaker 1>shape because they're like, oh, I only want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to a bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the Oklahoma stuff like it is. It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to I'm going to ask start with the

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<v Speaker 1>question that, yeah, probably everyone starts with, is how did

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<v Speaker 1>you get into this wild stuff, all this wild bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>and you're in a dog man too, and you're into

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<v Speaker 1>it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm just like some people have the shock factor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not that way. I was eased into it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that I had bigfoot on the property when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid growing up at the farm, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know it at the time. It was till

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<v Speaker 2>much later, and I accidentally ended up investigating a nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six investigating a bigfoot sighting, and I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what I was doing, but I was just curious

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<v Speaker 2>and nosy, and I ended up going out to the

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<v Speaker 2>low location and nosing around on my own, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I really so for a long time I was open

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<v Speaker 2>to the idea that they might be out there. But

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<v Speaker 2>to fast forward to two thousand and seven, I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up seeing what I guess people would say was a

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<v Speaker 2>dog man, although at the time it just looked like

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<v Speaker 2>a giant wolf to me, and I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what I was looking at. I thought it was just

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<v Speaker 2>some giant wolf that was some kind of mutant or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and I figured that it wouldn't last very long because

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<v Speaker 2>it was freaking nature and a rancher was going to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot it pretty quick and that would be the end

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I didn't realize at the time that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a breeding population of these things. I was fortunate

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<v Speaker 2>that it didn't stand up on its hind legs and

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<v Speaker 2>run or something. I probably would have lost my cookies

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<v Speaker 2>if I'd have seen that. So when I say I

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<v Speaker 2>was like eased into this cryptid world, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly don't know how somebody could be more gradually

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<v Speaker 2>brought into this genre than the way I have been,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's part of the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot of the PTSD and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the fear that a lot of people have. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely got a lot of respect for these creatures,

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<v Speaker 2>and I usually do everything I can to do it

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<v Speaker 2>as smart as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so dog inciting in two thousand and seven, that

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<v Speaker 1>is wild. What part of Okaho can you share? What

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<v Speaker 1>part of Oklahoma that happened to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do occasionally. It was basically north central Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say it was close to Crescent, Oklahoma, but

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<v Speaker 2>not anywhere. It was a little ways away from there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm intentionally not giving away the exact location because there's

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<v Speaker 2>family land involved in the situation. The last thing I

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<v Speaker 2>need is a bunch of Hurrahs showing up out there

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to run around out there and call in

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<v Speaker 2>dog man or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't actually on my family land, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was on a piece of property that was a little

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<v Speaker 2>ways away and it was just it was a broad

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<v Speaker 2>daylight thing. I was just driving in my pickup truck

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<v Speaker 2>going out. I was actually on the way out to

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<v Speaker 2>one of a piece of family land, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>happened to look over and there the thing was, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just sitting there, and I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to make of it or anything. It was At first,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wasn't getting it. You look at something, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really big dog, and then you just let

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<v Speaker 2>just that's really big things about the size of a cow. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and this broad daylight. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty fortunate it didn't get up and stand up

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know what I would I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what my I don't know what I would have

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<v Speaker 2>done if that would have happened. Hard to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>in a way, I'm glad it didn't. But it was years,

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<v Speaker 2>many years later, that I actually figured out that I'd

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<v Speaker 2>seen something that unusual. I was listening to some Sashquatch

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<v Speaker 2>chronicles type stuff, and I kept hearing the mentioning dog man,

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<v Speaker 2>dog man, dog, and I'm like, what are they talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was actually picturing it something like a sintaur

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<v Speaker 2>with a dog's body and a man's head or something,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's what they think they're seeing. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and I do a little search and little

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<v Speaker 2>Google search of it, and that's what it hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I saw back then, and it was pretty overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when it that's when the fire really got lit.

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<v Speaker 2>Is when I realized that I had not only had

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<v Speaker 2>I seen one of these creatures, but I'd seen one

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<v Speaker 2>fairly close. And that that's when the avalanche, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you could say, started with me. And from there on

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<v Speaker 2>out it was downhill. From there, I look into just

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<v Speaker 2>about everything from flying cryptis, dog man, sasquatch. We get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of dog man reports, but we get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more bigfoot reports, and so therefore I would have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that bigfoot is our bread and butter down here,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've got a lot of dog man reports too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that I have over sixty dog man

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<v Speaker 2>reports documented here in Oklahoma in southern Kansas, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>definitely got way over two hundred bigfoot reports now, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of I'd say that the dog man population

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot less, but the bigfoot population is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>healthy over here. What you was saying before about thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be up in the northwest, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Oklahoma is greatly undervalued when it comes to bigfoot population.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot more of them down here

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<v Speaker 2>than what people think. And I think the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have I think it's a combination of two things.

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<v Speaker 2>A we don't have the volume of people that they

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<v Speaker 2>have in others, some of these densely populated states. But

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is Oklahoma and southern Kansas is like

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of the Bible Belt. They're like, we're like

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<v Speaker 2>really conservative, and that type of individual is very unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>if they were to see something to come out and

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<v Speaker 2>actually tell the public. I think a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You hear people say over and over again on shows

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe one out of every ten bigfoot sightings actually

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<v Speaker 2>get reported. I'm pretty sure in my area it's more

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<v Speaker 2>like one out of every twenty or thirty. So super

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<v Speaker 2>conservative down here. A lot of people are pretty tight lip.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't talk so.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I totally agree with you on that, But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just think about then taking that how many potential bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>sightings actually happen in the state of Oklahoma. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a massive amount.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to some of the these Facebook pages and

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<v Speaker 2>these YouTube channels and stuff, and the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 2>people that are following those groups are these silent people

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<v Speaker 2>that never really speak up when it comes to like

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<v Speaker 2>my Facebook group, I've got like a core of I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe maybe fifty people that that comment on

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<v Speaker 2>a regular basis post stuff. The rest of the people

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<v Speaker 2>they're just sitting back and real quiet, like and watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the lion's share of people, is

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of want to know what's going on, but

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want everybody to know that they're interested.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're the there are they the people where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like they will only tell you something has happened if

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<v Speaker 1>you direct message them out of the blue and blatantly

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<v Speaker 1>ask them have you experienced something? And they're like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well I found there's a lot of people in my

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<v Speaker 1>group that's the case. They won't just come out and

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<v Speaker 1>say it. Man, it's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. The psychology that's involved when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to eyewitnesses is you could probably write a book on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that PTSD traumatic stuff, it plays a role

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<v Speaker 2>in that stuff. You never really know how a person's

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<v Speaker 2>going to react when they see something like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I know that I'm very fortunate that I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been traumatized, psychologically damaged, just flat out and messed up,

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<v Speaker 2>because I can't imagine what it would be like just

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<v Speaker 2>be going for a little stroll in the park or

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<v Speaker 2>something and coming around a corner and there's a dog

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<v Speaker 2>man standing there upright eyeball and you licking his chops.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine what that would be like. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the people that does happen to. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>my heart really goes out to you. I don't. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you go to work after that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? How do you do anything? Yeah? You had said

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<v Speaker 1>something really quick, and I don't want to let it

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<v Speaker 1>slip by. You'd mentioned to the side where you're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you may have had bigfoot on your property

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<v Speaker 1>when you're growing up. Can you go more into that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a whole bunch of little things that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but it all and I'll go over. I'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>give you the cliff notes version, because once I start

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<v Speaker 2>talking and telling stories, I just it seems like I

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<v Speaker 2>go on forever. But I had a bunch of knick

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<v Speaker 2>knack things that would happen, Like we had a grainery

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<v Speaker 2>inside the barn, and we kept seed grain in there,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also kept dog and cat food in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was constantly I was the only kid down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I grew up there, spent summers there, spring breaks

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<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff. I lived with my grandparents a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but not all the time. I went to school in

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<v Speaker 2>town and I lived with my parents, but I spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time down there, and I would always

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble for leaving the grain reopen, leaving the

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<v Speaker 2>grain reopen, and it got to where it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like a normal thing. It was like I would go

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<v Speaker 2>down there and I would, you know, to put the

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<v Speaker 2>lock on. It wasn't a pad lock, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a little wooden lever lock and I would lock

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<v Speaker 2>the door. I'd come back the next morning and it

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<v Speaker 2>was open again. And that was a pretty constant thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So something I believe was getting in there and getting

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<v Speaker 2>cat food and dog food out, and I think we

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<v Speaker 2>know who does that. I also had a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>I had built a tree house in the woods, and

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<v Speaker 2>at the time I got it finished, it got torn

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<v Speaker 2>out of the tree. It was literally like ripped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the tree. All the lumber was down on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>was just it was me, Grandpa and Grandma seldom left

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<v Speaker 2>three days waiting on a whipping and it just never came,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything just seemed normal. So finally I was like, Grandpa,

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<v Speaker 2>the or my tree ford out in the woods. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I didn't do that, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was, I don't know. I can't believe it

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<v Speaker 2>had to have been him. So I cressured him a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about it, and he was like, Brian, I

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<v Speaker 2>that was probably seen as some kind of encroachment on

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<v Speaker 2>the territory or something like that. It might have had

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with me urinating so much around that area,

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<v Speaker 2>because I would just pee off the edge of the

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<v Speaker 2>have been what happened there. But it's not like there

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<v Speaker 2>was other people out there that could have seen that

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<v Speaker 2>and done that, let alone ripped it out of it tree.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another incident too, where I saw some glowing

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<v Speaker 2>red eyes down in the crow one night when I

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<v Speaker 2>it was a cow. Of course, what would you expect

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<v Speaker 2>to be down in there, But it wasn't a cow,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was two eyes looking straight at me, and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like to me. I remember they were a

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<v Speaker 2>white yellow color, and I just had the feeling i'd

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<v Speaker 2>gone down there. I'd walk down there one hundred times

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<v Speaker 2>to turn off the lights, and there's off and on.

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<v Speaker 2>There would always be maybe a couple of cows down

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<v Speaker 2>there in the corral or something. Nothing ever bothered me,

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<v Speaker 2>but that one night I felt it before I saw

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes, and looking back on it now I know

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<v Speaker 2>what that was. But at the time I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a lot of knickknack things that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on down the farm, but it was the small

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<v Speaker 2>things that you could dismiss easily. And I'm pretty confident

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<v Speaker 2>that my grandfather had no idea anything like that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on, because I don't think he would let me

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<v Speaker 2>go down there and play alone. It's times have changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then. I had one hundred and sixty acres at

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<v Speaker 2>my disposal and it was all woods at the spring

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<v Speaker 2>fed creek flowing through it. It was heaven still is.

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<v Speaker 2>But the truth is, if he'd have thought that there

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<v Speaker 2>was anything dangerous out there. He wouldn't let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's definitely hindsight is twenty twenty, and you think

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff where you are now, and yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably had some stuff going on. And Oklahoma, I've always

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<v Speaker 1>thought a Bigfoot, but I've never really thought of dog

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<v Speaker 1>Man a lot before. But I find it interesting how

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<v Speaker 1>in certain parts of the US there seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>like it. There's seems to be groups of big Foot

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<v Speaker 1>and there's groups of dog Man. They live in the

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<v Speaker 1>same area. Do you think that might be the same

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<v Speaker 1>situation in certain parts of Oklahoma? Or do they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to stay away from each other? From what you found,

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<v Speaker 1>big for society will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not seen any evidence whatsoever that they will

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<v Speaker 2>separate and stay away from each other. Now I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen some contradiction to that. I have seen and gotten

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<v Speaker 2>reports of them basically being in the same areas, not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily at the same times, but definitely in the same areas.

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<v Speaker 2>So as far as I'm concerned, I have never seen

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<v Speaker 2>any evidence that would lead me to believe that one

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<v Speaker 2>particular area is dog Man territory and the other particular

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<v Speaker 2>area is Sasquatch territory. Okay. I don't give much credence

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<v Speaker 2>to the whole dog man bigfoot WWF fighted out theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we'd hear that going on, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know everybody wants to see it. It's definitely make

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<v Speaker 2>a good pay for view.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for sure. That'd be some wild stuff enough seeing bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather see a bigfoot than a dog man any day.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I never get near one of the dog

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<v Speaker 1>man creatures. They're just wild. But I guess we have

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<v Speaker 1>them in Iowa. So I got to look out. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you found that there's a certain part of Oklahoma that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have more dog man activity coming out of it?

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<v Speaker 2>There is patches. I guess you could say there's a

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<v Speaker 2>certain There's not an area of Oklahoma that I would

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<v Speaker 2>say is free of dog man activity, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>certain patches where you'll get like a small cluster of reports.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got an area over in far western Oklahoma where

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a cluster of dog man reports and encounters.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of reports come out of a

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<v Speaker 2>town called Shawnee, Oklahoma, up and down and around the river.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also bigfoot reports that come out of there

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<v Speaker 2>as well. There's been several reports over by Tallaheena, up

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<v Speaker 2>by north of Bartlesville, there's been a couple of reports.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really everywhere, but every once in a while you

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<v Speaker 2>get several and one immediate location. But they're not as

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<v Speaker 2>predictable as far as where they're going to be as

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<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot, because I don't personally believe that a dog

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<v Speaker 2>man has to stay as close to water as a

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<v Speaker 2>bigfoot does. Almost all the bigfoot side that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to hear about, at least coming from our area, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be within a mile of water. They really

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<v Speaker 2>don't get that far away from water. I guess they're

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're thirsty. I don't know, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>hear about that. But that's not the way with dog men.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog Men be out in the middle of nowhere where

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<v Speaker 2>there's really no water or anything, and so there's no

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<v Speaker 2>rhyme or reason to them. Makes them a lot harder

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<v Speaker 2>to predict. Of course, my personal opinion is what we

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<v Speaker 2>know about dog man is like thirty years behind what

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<v Speaker 2>we know about sasquatch. We've been studying sasquatch pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>since the Patterson gimblin age and the trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>of what it's called. The when they first started discovering

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<v Speaker 2>the Jerry Crwe area pre nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven, yeah, fifty eight, around the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah fifty eight. They've been studying them since then, documenting

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<v Speaker 2>their behaviors, their mannerisms and stuff like that, and we

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<v Speaker 2>really haven't what would you say, fifteen years into this

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<v Speaker 2>dog man.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, I'd say that's proudly generous. Yeah, yeah, fifteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>could go with fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as wild stuff, man.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. So we've got some ketchup to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're starting to figure a few things out. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I've come to the conclusion is that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the behaviors that we get out of Sasquatch,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the dog men are doing the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>rock throwing and pacing people out of an area, stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I think these are both dog man and

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<v Speaker 2>Sasquatch behavior. And I think personally, I think that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a chance that there's a lot of bigfoot reports that

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<v Speaker 2>were actually dog man reports, possibly even vice versa. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say on that, and that's just speculation on

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<v Speaker 2>my part. But if they're doing the same things and

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the same areas unless you get I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the class bees are miss could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong. It's tough to say. One thing. I'll say though,

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<v Speaker 2>about dog men it seems like they're much more cautious

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<v Speaker 2>about leaving footprints than Bigfoot. I do believe that bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>is very cautious about leaving footprints, but I think that

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<v Speaker 2>dogmen is even more. That may be because their population

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<v Speaker 2>is less, but it could also be that maybe they're

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit more aware of their footprints. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say, but it's a really rare thing to

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<v Speaker 2>run across a dog man print, a quality one. I

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<v Speaker 2>run into what I consider sasquatch prints on a semi

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis, but I'm learning where to look.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't hear a lot about solid dog man tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. But I do have a question from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Patreon members, so I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I think now would be a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>So Leslie wants to ask, can you tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>what you feel is your most memorable investigation from over

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<v Speaker 1>the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Wow, man, I've gone out and I've talked to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people and as far as trying to

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<v Speaker 2>put which one is. And man, I've talked to some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting eyewitnesses, but probably the one that I say

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<v Speaker 2>is most memorable to me was I have this friend,

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<v Speaker 2>his name is Chuck Slabs. He's also a bigfoot investigator,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a bigfoot encounter close actually close to

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<v Speaker 2>cress And Oklahoma as well. And I called him up

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, hey, I'd like to take you out

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<v Speaker 2>to that location and do an interview. So we did.

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<v Speaker 2>We drove out there and we did an interview with

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<v Speaker 2>my buddy Jeff Hatfield, and I had Jeff go stand

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<v Speaker 2>in the tree line where the bigfoot was and I

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<v Speaker 2>had Chuck tell his story about what happened to him

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<v Speaker 2>that night. I did a video line. It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, as we're buttoning up and fixing to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>the pumper comes pulling in. And the guy that is

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<v Speaker 2>pulling in is the guy that now has the job

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<v Speaker 2>that Chuck used to have. Chuck used to be the

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<v Speaker 2>pumper for that well, but this new guy, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that's doing it now. We never met this guy ever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he comes pulling in and I thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to get mad and tell us to get

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<v Speaker 2>off location or something, but he didn't. He was being

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<v Speaker 2>real friendly, so I just point blank asking. I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>has anything weird ever happened to you out here or

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else? And he got this funny look on his

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<v Speaker 2>face and he goes, I did have something really weird

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<v Speaker 2>happen out here last February. And I was like, really,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that? And he basically described something similar to

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<v Speaker 2>what Chuck experienced. And the weird thing is, without having

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<v Speaker 2>any knowledge of this, he pointed to the spot where

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck had seen had his encounter and he said something

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<v Speaker 2>was over there throwing rocks at me at night. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, whoa, it's so crazy. And he

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<v Speaker 2>let us record him telling his story, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>incorporated that into the video. But it was so awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never gone out to do an interview with an

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<v Speaker 2>eyewitness and then had somebody else come up and say randomly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I pretty much had something very similar happened in this

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<v Speaker 2>exact same spot too. That was just my brain was

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<v Speaker 2>about to explode on that one. But I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that was probably one of the coolest ones I've done,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've done several of them. Not all of them

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<v Speaker 2>people would allow me to put on camera, But I

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<v Speaker 2>do love going out and talking to eyewitnesses, especially on

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<v Speaker 2>location where it actually happened. It's a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun, and sometimes people need to tell

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh absolutely, I think it's therapeutic for the person

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to tell their story. A lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys haven't talked about it, maybe for fifteen twenty years.

421
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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's also helpful for the people that are

422
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 1>watching your videos on can help them work through stuff.

423
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<v Speaker 1>And that's how it goes with the podcast as well.

424
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>About Southeast to Oklahoma, is it over hyped or is

425
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 1>everything that we hear actually happening down there from your

426
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.640
<v Speaker 1>experience always happening? Okay, so.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Southeast Oklahoma does have a higher population, especially if

428
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch down there. It is true there's a lot of

429
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on. We've got an area down there that

430
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<v Speaker 2>we go to that we call Zana Do and almost

431
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>every time that we go down there, we have some

432
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of crazy activity and something always weird happens down there.

433
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>This last time we went over there over spring break

434
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<v Speaker 2>and we really didn't have We found some interesting evidence,

435
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>but we didn't have any encounters or something had come

436
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>into camp or something like that. That was probably the

437
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.440
<v Speaker 2>first time that we really didn't have anything actually come

438
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>into camp or do something. That was heartbreaker because that

439
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 2>place has a lot of hyat built up for we

440
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 2>call it Xana Do. But now, yeah, there's a lot

441
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of stuff going on over there. There's a lot of

442
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>reports that come out of southeastern Oklahoma. A lot of

443
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>people don't realize this, but the population of Lafleur, mccurt

444
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and Pushmataha counties are pretty high, and so not only

445
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>do you have a larger population of the Sasquatch people

446
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 2>down there, you've also got more human people there to

447
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 2>interact with them. So by nature, you're going to get

448
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>more reports because there's more people there. So it makes

449
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.839
<v Speaker 2>good sense. But I do believe there's a lot of

450
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>activity and it's all over. If it's close to a

451
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>water source, they're pretty much there. Just some people are

452
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>very unobservant and some people are observant. And I think

453
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:01.319
<v Speaker 2>that the people who are unobservant are usually the lucky

454
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>ones because it's a lot easy. It's a lot easier

455
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to remain in the dark when it comes to this

456
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff.

457
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Why did you choose to call it Xana Do?

458
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. It was Mike A. Doones On, one of

459
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>the guys on my team. He called it Xana Do,

460
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 2>and I think he called it. I think Xana Do.

461
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>There is a movie about someplace called Xanadu years ago

462
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and that I think the term xanad means a place

463
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>of tranquility and mystery and stuff like that. And being

464
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>from northwest Oklahoma, you get down in that area where

465
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 2>you've got all these really tall lob lolly pines and

466
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 2>everything is different, and you've got all that nice clear

467
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>blue flowing water and all these great swimming holes and everything.

468
00:27:54.160 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It is a really beautiful area and it just it is.

469
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's a wonderful place to go. And I

470
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.839
<v Speaker 2>think that was where he was going for Zana Do.

471
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.039
<v Speaker 2>We just call it that because we don't want to

472
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>advertise where the location is that we're actually doing our research.

473
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>We found that there are some mischievous people out here

474
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>in this area that if they find out where you're

475
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 2>actually doing research, they'll go out and they'll put out

476
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>fake footprints for you to find so you'll look like

477
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>a fool. Stupid stuff like that, and I don't have

478
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>time for that. So we just keep our we keep

479
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>our little secrets, I guess you could say. And I

480
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 2>don't like being misleading or disingenuous, but if we're going

481
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>to have if we're going to maintain a certain purity

482
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 2>level for our areas that we're doing actual research in,

483
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 2>we need to keep it a little bit nush, because

484
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>all we need if a whole bunch. If a bunch

485
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 2>of people know that you're down in a certain area

486
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 2>and you're doing research, it's just a matter of time

487
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>before they're sitting around drinking beer and they're getting a

488
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 2>little tipsy and they're like, Hey, I got a great idea,

489
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and then here they come. So I'm trying to avoid that.

490
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>That's a great call. I actually have never thought of

491
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that before, but now that you bring it up, I

492
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>could easily see that happening, especially with some other places

493
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:32.559
<v Speaker 1>down in that quadrant of the state. Yeah, no question,

494
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 1>that could happen.

495
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>People that don't take this stuff seriously. They try to

496
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 2>make a mockery of it, and they think it is

497
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 2>a laughing matter. And I can think of about four

498
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 2>or five people that I know from my personal life

499
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that man, I would really love for them to have

500
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a close up encounter, and preferably one of the soiled

501
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 2>breeches variety, because that would they deserve that. But no,

502
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 2>there's just I don't know, you know, is people are

503
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>just people and they come in off flavors and you

504
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:10.119
<v Speaker 2>can't hate a just but but you can limit how

505
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>much information you give out.

506
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 1>And so that's what exactly big for society will be.

507
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Right back after these messages, have you, yourself or anyone

508
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 1>in your group been able to have has there been

509
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 1>a visual sighting in that area at all?

510
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, A couple of years ago, Jeff Hatfield, Well,

511
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>we were sitting around the campfire and Jeff saw something

512
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 2>big and black and hairy and moving at a distance

513
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 2>down in a valley, and it rattled him. He jumped

514
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 2>up out of his camp chair like he had a

515
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 2>spring underneath him, like a jack in the box. I

516
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>immediately knew that something serious was happening. I could tell

517
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>by the look on his face. So could my brother,

518
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>and week sprang into action. I started trying to video

519
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 2>and didn't get anything on video because it was already gone.

520
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 2>But there was a good fifteen twenty seconds and Jeff

521
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even get out what he was just pointing. He

522
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>was the shock of seeing it, but he didn't get

523
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a good look at it, and it was like one

524
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty yards away. But he said it was

525
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>just too big to just be like a little black bear,

526
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>because down here we have bears. They're a little bitty.

527
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, you could almost swat one. Most of them

528
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>run from you. But they said it was much bigger.

529
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 2>We've had him come into camp on a couple of

530
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 2>occasions and get per pretty close. My first night out

531
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>there at that location, they I was sleeping in a

532
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>hammock with a tarp over it, and I'm pretty sure

533
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.759
<v Speaker 2>we had two juveniles come into camp and they were

534
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>snooping around and one of them started creeping up on

535
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 2>me in my tent, in my hammock with the tarp

536
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 2>over it, and I was awake, and it scared the

537
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>living crap out of me, and it was very humbling.

538
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 2>But that was the fastest I ever came out of

539
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 2>my hammock. I set the fat Boy Land speed record

540
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 2>for ejecting out of a hammock, because you can't get

541
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>out of a hammock gracefully. In case you didn't know,

542
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>let alone when you're as big as I am. So

543
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>that was a crazy night. I would love to relive

544
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that night again. I wish i'd had a recorder, you

545
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>know how that.

546
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Goes absolutely in that same area. Did you, guys ever

547
00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>hear any sounds that would not usually belong in an

548
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>area like that or anything that would puzzle you.

549
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've heard the tree knox, which are, to be

550
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.559
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, down that area. They're not unusual. I

551
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>usually get tree knocks on the audio recorders almost every

552
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 2>time I go down there. We've heard the what people

553
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>describe as the mechanical bird noises. That was one of

554
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the creepiest things I ever heard. I've only heard that

555
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, and that was when we first

556
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 2>started going down there, and that was just weird. I'm

557
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.839
<v Speaker 2>not even sure I can even do it justice day

558
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>try to explain what it sounded like, but the term

559
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>mechanical bird is about as close as you're going to get.

560
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I imagine like a robot bird or something that just

561
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even sounding right, but sounded mechanical. That's what it

562
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>sounded like. I've heard a lot of weird vocalizations. Those

563
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 2>the two juveniles that came in that one night on me.

564
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 2>They were making the mouth popping noises where they I'm

565
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>assuming they're doing that thing with their mouth, but it

566
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>was really loud they were doing that. I would say

567
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>every five or ten minutes, they would make that mouth

568
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 2>popping noise and it was really loud, and I think

569
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.559
<v Speaker 2>that's what actually woke me up, was the mouth popping noise.

570
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>And about the time, about forty five minutes before the

571
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>sun came up, and these two juveniles were tinkering around

572
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the camp getting into stuff. I'm assuming the parent from

573
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>up the hill was calling them, and it made this

574
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>really loud, deep, you know, booh vocalization, and at that

575
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>point both of them left and started walking towards that vocalization.

576
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 2>And so I always assume that that was mom or

577
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>dad or something, but it's hard to tell. But whatever

578
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 2>it was definitely had authority and it had a very

579
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:18.199
<v Speaker 2>deep voice, and they responded instantaneously. It was at that

580
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>point I think that I figured out that I was

581
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>probably dealing them with juveniles. So that was pretty That

582
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 2>was a fun night, But yeah, you'll hear a lot

583
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>of things. Never heard any kind of Ohio howls or

584
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 2>whatever out there. I don't think there is vocal in

585
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma as what they are in other places. They will

586
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>do howls and stuff like that, but it's not common

587
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to catch one on audio recorder. But one of these days,

588
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get a good one one of these days.

589
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's a lot of vocalizations and sounds that

590
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>go along with them. Like last weekend when we were

591
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>down there over spring break, we had something just outside

592
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>of Camp grunt at us twice and we ended up

593
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>getting out of or out from underneath the tar because

594
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it was raining and we had We went out and

595
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>was looking around trying to figure out what it was.

596
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 2>But whatever it was, it vanished or whatever went to

597
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 2>ground or something. But we never did figure out what

598
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.320
<v Speaker 2>it was. But it spoke to me pretty again because

599
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty loud, pretty deep.

600
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 1>I have a few areas that I would want to

601
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>bring up just to see if it makes anything. You

602
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.320
<v Speaker 1>remember anything, or you've had any interaction with that area.

603
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>You can say, I guess we'll leave it at that.

604
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>If you need to say no comment, then that's fine.

605
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>But there's an area that I've Yeah, there's an area

606
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that I've started to get a lot of reports from

607
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's on the border the Lake Texoma area, and

608
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a massive area. Have you ever gotten

609
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>any weird stuff from the Lake Texoma area of Oklahoma

610
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 1>and Texas?

611
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Okay. There's a lot of reports

612
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that come out of the Lake Texoma area bigfoot and

613
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>dog man. And as a matter of fact, I consider

614
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that Lake Texoma Brown Springs area to be a dog

615
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>man hot spot because there's just a lot of dog

616
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>man reports that come out of that area. That place

617
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>has got a creepy feeling when you get out. I

618
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>know for a fact that there's more going on there

619
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>than just cryptid stuff. I know it's a hot spot

620
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>for paranormal investigators too, the ghost hunters and stuff like that.

621
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I am not a ghost hunter, but because my personal

622
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>belief and I just don't have time, so I don't

623
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>even now. A man can only have so much free time,

624
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and this bigfoot, encryptid thing, there's days I feel like

625
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I've been off more than I can chew. And the

626
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>last thing I'm going to do is decide that I'm

627
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>going to take on and start chasing aliens and ghosts.

628
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>I just know, I just don't have time. I'm not

629
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 2>dismissing or anything or throwing rocks at that genre. I'm

630
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 2>just saying I just don't have time to deal with it.

631
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But I am aware of the fact that they do

632
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>go out there on a regular basis, and they do

633
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of encounters. And sometimes these ghost hunters

634
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 2>go out there and have encounters with cryptids, and I

635
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of ghosts that are reported are actually cryptids,

636
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>but I really don't have any data to back that up.

637
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just a high apothesis, especially when you're talking about

638
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.559
<v Speaker 2>white creatures, because I think a lot of cryptids. There's

639
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>more white cryptids out there than people realize. Yeah, the

640
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>brown spring variant is pretty crazy. I've only been out

641
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>there twice, but my team has actually been discussing going

642
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>back down there again and doing a better, more thorough

643
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 2>investigation than what we've done in the past.

644
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of weird stuff from Lake Texoma, as

645
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you also mentioned, and specifically besides Bigfoot ind dog Man,

646
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and some people think this is total hodquash, but I've

647
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>been getting a lot of reports about it from the area.

648
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Is you've got like the pale crawler type whatever it is.

649
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'm getting a ton of stuff from the Lake Texo,

650
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>even from guys that are working the train that goes

651
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>across Lake Texoma. They're like, we looked out, we saw

652
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>something weird on the tracks. It was white and it

653
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 1>was like skinny and it didn't make sense. Yeah, so dude,

654
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>there's something going on in that area, no question. So

655
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

656
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even sure what to how to classify what

657
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. But I've gotten some reports that are

658
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>similar to that as well. And yeah, I don't even know.

659
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what to how to classify that.

660
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people put the rubber stamp skin walker

661
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>on it, but it's not really a skin walker. I

662
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 2>don't really know what to call it, but it's something different.

663
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I had a guy reach out from Tulsa. There's Tulsa

664
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and he had this thing shape shift in front of him.

665
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Not in front of him, but it was in his backyard.

666
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Him and his wife both saw it and they basically

667
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.159
<v Speaker 2>they it was like one o'clock in the morning. It

668
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>was like a Saturday night and they'd been up and

669
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>they had some friends over and they could hear like

670
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the cops were chasing somebody down the street or something.

671
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 2>So they go out front, and whatever it was, it

672
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>gone around the corner and gone back behind the house,

673
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.280
<v Speaker 2>because they lived on a corner lot, And so they

674
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>went in their backyard and walked out on the back

675
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>porch to see if they could see anything that direction.

676
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 2>And when they did, they saw something that just looked

677
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:39.280
<v Speaker 2>like this pale, white, hairless, horrifying looking creature with black eyes,

678
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 2>and it ran behind their storage shed in their backyard,

679
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>and I got they were Him and his wife were

680
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 2>both pretty freaked out, and they said that they just

681
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 2>sat there for a minute, and they started easing back

682
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>towards the house, towards the door, and whatever it was

683
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 2>ape shifted or something, and it came out from the

684
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 2>other side of the story shed, and it was a

685
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>homeless dude that was just dressed all in rowdy clothes.

686
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the homeless dude just looked at him

687
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and smiled and walked over there and opened their gate

688
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and went out in the front yard and disappeared. And

689
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they were just sudden, Yeah, no, I'll take big foot

690
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>any day. No. Yeah, And there's yet there was another

691
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.079
<v Speaker 2>lady that this was in now that was about two

692
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago. About four months ago, I had a lady

693
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>reach out to me, and she had an encounter on

694
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>what is called the Northwest Expressway in Oklahoma City. And

695
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>if you keep going out past what people around here

696
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>would know is Piedmont Road, and you take that road

697
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and you just keep going like you're going to Okarchie.

698
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Right there where Hi eighty one ties in, she ran

699
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 2>into one there at that corner, and she said, at

700
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.840
<v Speaker 2>first it looked like a naked white guy, no shoes,

701
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>no nothing, bug naked, and he was running at an

702
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 2>incredibly high rate of speed and like he was keeping

703
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>up with her car. And then he started shape shifting

704
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 2>into something else that had a longer muzzle. I guess

705
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.199
<v Speaker 2>she could say, and claws, And of course I guess

706
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 2>she decided to get out of there. The most interesting

707
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 2>part of her story is, in my opinion, is not

708
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 2>the actual encounter. Apparently she was hesitant to call me.

709
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, she reached out to me

710
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 2>using an alien She actually went to the point of

711
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>creating an alias so that she could reach out to

712
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>me because she is a business owner there in Oklahoma

713
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>City and she didn't want it to affect her business.

714
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>So to make a long story short and to condense

715
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 2>it down, she felt obligated to turn this into the police,

716
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 2>even though she didn't want to. So she calls the

717
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>police department, and the police department that she reached out

718
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 2>to was the Canadian County Sheriff's department, and she called

719
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>got the dispatcher. Dispatcher answers the phone. She starts in

720
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>telling her like, I know you guys are going to

721
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.559
<v Speaker 2>believe this, but this is what I saw. And the dispatcher,

722
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.639
<v Speaker 2>she said, I could tell. She put her hand over

723
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the phone and she said to one somebody else that

724
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 2>was over there, she said, hey, we've got another one

725
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 2>over here. And I can't imagine. And that must have

726
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 2>been insane to hear a police dispatcher say something like

727
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that there's two of them or there's more of them.

728
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I believe that the police department

729
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 2>probably does have a legitimate reason for keeping some of

730
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 2>this stuffish.

731
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

732
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 2>We're supposed to. Their job is to keep us feeling safe, right,

733
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and even if it's in ignorance, I don't know. I

734
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>don't blame them for it. But wow, what do you

735
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>make of that?

736
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's wild. I don't know, and I was hoping

737
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have stories like that, But here we are.

738
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 1>You as well have gotten some counts like that, and

739
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 1>that makes me think even more that there could be

740
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 1>something going on. You mentioned Brown Springs by yourself, that

741
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was one of them.

742
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I go there occasionally at least once or

743
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 2>twice a year, so there's it's still an active area

744
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>even though the siege is long gone. I think that

745
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 2>happened in what twenty ten or something, I.

746
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Want to say, January two thousand and one around there

747
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 1>was it so even longer back?

748
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in twenty four years? Yeah, I guess that's right.

749
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It would have been yeah. Crazy. I can't imagine living

750
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>through that ordeal. The interesting thing about the siege of

751
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Hanabi is that there's four different stories depending on who

752
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you ask. When you talk to locals that are down

753
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.320
<v Speaker 2>from around there. The family that had actually happened to

754
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.519
<v Speaker 2>they're done talking about it. The bigfit can unity and

755
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the general public acted and treated them, probably poorly, and

756
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to They don't even want to talk

757
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.599
<v Speaker 2>about it anymore. And you're not going to get them

758
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.199
<v Speaker 2>to talk about it. But depending on which one of

759
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>the four stories you get and it comes out of

760
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>that area. The one thing that is universally constant and

761
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>that everybody agrees on is the fact that they were

762
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>being basically, I wouldn't say attacked, but these Sasquatch people

763
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.639
<v Speaker 2>were trying to get into their house and one of

764
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the brothers shot one and killed one. Nobody even denies it.

765
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>There's nobody on the team. There was no bigfoot attack

766
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>at Hanabby. There's nobody even saying that. It's just the

767
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Everybody in that area is in agreement that all that

768
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff happened. And it's amazing to me because usually you've

769
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>got this whole section of people over here that are like, oh,

770
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 2>they're full of crap, or they're a bunch of alcoholics

771
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know what I'm saying. There's nobody in

772
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that area denies that it happened. Everybody knows that it happened.

773
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy, and some people were mad at because

774
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>they shot them, and some people thought it was justified.

775
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 2>But nobody in that area denies that it happened. Everybody

776
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.079
<v Speaker 2>knows it happened.

777
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Talking about the whole Nubby area, the locals there.

778
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Everybody, well, everybody knows it happened. So that was a

779
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 2>real deal. So pretty crazy deal. It's sad that one

780
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.519
<v Speaker 2>of the best watch people had to lose their lives, but.

781
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's just and then there's a whole thing.

782
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>If there's four versions, who knows what version if the

783
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.199
<v Speaker 1>version you heard is the true the real one speaking

784
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 1>to myself, but it's just yeah, and I don't know

785
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>if we'll ever know. I guess us what the correct

786
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 1>one is if the people who actually experienced it aren't talking.

787
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 1>But we'll leave that as it is. But I did

788
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>contact the Country store down there. I had a nice

789
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 1>chat with the owner. She was Yeah, she was nice.

790
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 1>She was nice.

791
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 2>So she was a nice lady. They got really good

792
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 2>food there too, thank Friday. Oh really, they have catfish

793
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and their breakfast and cheeseburgers are the mom So.

794
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>One of my one of my bucket list items is

795
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to get to one of the get to a festival

796
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>conference in Oklahoma someday. I think that would be pretty

797
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>cool weekend experience. I know it. That's what I hear.

798
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>There's another one coming up at the end of May

799
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be in Tallahena, Oklahoma. That's really what

800
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.239
<v Speaker 2>is that's a month and a half away. It's it's

801
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>actually in the town of Tallaheena. So they will have

802
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 2>amenities and whatnot, but they're having a bunch of guests, speakers,

803
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and there'll be a few vendors there. But it's it's

804
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 2>less of a lot of these bigfoot things are like

805
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 2>a festival, right, there's a little bit less of a festival,

806
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.159
<v Speaker 2>more of having actual guest speakers, and it's more about

807
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the research and stuff like that than it really is

808
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>about the about the i don't know what you call it,

809
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the funnel cakes and the widgets. So not that I'm

810
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 2>putting all that stuff down, because you know, I'm a

811
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>sucker for that kind of stuff too, but right, you

812
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

813
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Me too, Yeah, me too. Yeah that both of those

814
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>actually sound great. But the least locale I wanted to

815
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 1>talk to you about, just because it's come up a

816
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 1>few times in interviews. I've done the McGee Creek area.

817
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh that one you've ever heard of.

818
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I've never been there. I'll tell you what I do

819
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 2>know about it. A lot of people have had encounters

820
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 2>up there. And another thing that I find. That's very

821
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>odd about that place is for you to actually go

822
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 2>on to that location, you have to buy a special

823
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>permit from the State of Oklahoma to get in there.

824
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.360
<v Speaker 2>You can't just yeah, it's and forgive me if I'm

825
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 2>getting this wrong. People, that place like a wildlife management area.

826
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 2>We've got those all over the state of Oklahoma. You

827
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.559
<v Speaker 2>do not need a hunting license, you do not need

828
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 2>a fishing license. You can just go out there and

829
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:41.360
<v Speaker 2>walk around and do this stuff. And I know of

830
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>two places in Oklahoma that you have to have a

831
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 2>special permit just to go to the place, or maybe

832
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to have a fishing license or something. But

833
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.519
<v Speaker 2>it's one is mcgree Creek and the other one is

834
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Three Rivers, WMA, which is real close to han Alby.

835
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, those few places have a special some kind

836
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 2>of special designation within the Wildlife Department for that kind

837
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:16.800
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. That's one of those places that McGee Creek

838
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 2>is a place that I haven't been to yet, but

839
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I just it's one of those things. I've got all

840
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 2>these other places that I've been going to on a

841
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>regular basis that are producing evidence and I just haven't

842
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I haven't. Sometimes you've got to condense.

843
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 2>And if you just go to all these different spots

844
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 2>and just bounce around, you'll get less actual evidence and

845
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.360
<v Speaker 2>you won't get to know the areas as well as

846
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 2>if you pick three locations that you know hasen cryptid

847
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 2>activity and if you just pound the ground with those

848
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and just keep going on a regular basis. And when

849
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you do that, it helps keep and even maybe the Sasquatch,

850
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you get to know you better and maybe even begin

851
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 2>to feel more comfortable with its possibility. McGee Creek is

852
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 2>on one of my lists of places that I would

853
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>like to go, but we've got possibly better places that

854
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>are closer and McGee Creek is They are there, but

855
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't put McGee Creek in the I don't know,

856
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe in the top ten, but it would definitely be

857
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>on the lower end locations. But it is weird that

858
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it has that special designation.

859
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Have you heard a account or story over the years

860
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 1>if it had happened to you, you would not be

861
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.920
<v Speaker 1>going to that area. You'd stay clear out of it.

862
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Ninety five percent of all of the crypto encounters that happen,

863
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 2>they are what I consider to be benevolent encounters. A

864
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of people will say it was violent or roared

865
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 2>at me, or it was hostile, or it was aggressive.

866
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.800
<v Speaker 2>When you're talking about a creature that's as big and

867
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.639
<v Speaker 2>as fast as powerful as them, if they wanted to

868
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 2>get you there that got you. I can't really, there's

869
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>not been There's only a handful of encounters where people

870
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.519
<v Speaker 2>actually got hurt from these things. Ninety nine percent of

871
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 2>all bigfoot and dog man encounters are basically benevolent. If

872
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.280
<v Speaker 2>they roar at you, they just want you to leave.

873
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of any that I think would have

874
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:46.840
<v Speaker 2>scared me to my core. Probably one of the scariest

875
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 2>ones that I think probably would have come real close

876
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to shaking me to my core would be like Caitanya

877
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 2>cordex encounter where she's hiking down a trail and she

878
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.159
<v Speaker 2>turns around and looks you hear something behind her, turns

879
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 2>around and looks and there's a giant male bigfoot standing

880
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>there staring at her like in close proximity, and that

881
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>scared the bejeebers out of her. And I think that

882
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 2>would probably be like the scariest thing ever to just

883
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>be a not a knower, just you don't even have

884
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a clue and then you turn around and there it is.

885
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the shock of it all and having

886
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 2>your world cave in around you. That would be probably,

887
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, the most traumatic thing that you could

888
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.920
<v Speaker 2>probably run into. People don't get bit by these things

889
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>or punched or clawed or anything like that. You could

890
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.039
<v Speaker 2>argue that well to survive. The people that do don't

891
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>live to tell that. Where's the evidence for that. We've

892
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 2>got all these reports of people that bluff charged me

893
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.360
<v Speaker 2>or roared at me, But hey, yeah, you still made

894
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.719
<v Speaker 2>it to the car. So I don't really necessarily think

895
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>that there is dangerous. They're capable of great violence, but

896
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I think they show some kind of restraint. I think

897
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 2>something either common sense or some kind of spiritual barrier

898
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 2>is keeping them from tearing us from limb to limb.

899
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just maybe it's just good manners. I don't

900
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 2>know what it is. It's hard to make a judgment

901
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>call on that. Yeah, I think having just bumping into

902
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>one would just be the scariest thing that you could

903
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 2>possibly happen to you.

904
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Have you found that there's a certain a certain thing

905
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you can do that will lead into a higher likelihood

906
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of encountering a big foot or is it more just

907
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 1>right time I'm the right place.

908
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I think ninety percent of it is just putting yourself

909
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.440
<v Speaker 2>in the right place. And if you want to know

910
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>what the actual key to finding evidence or possibly even

911
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 2>promoting an encounter, I would say, you're going to have

912
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 2>to go camping. That's the thing. We got all these people,

913
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to pick on them a little bit.

914
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>We got all these trolls that sit around and they

915
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.039
<v Speaker 2>laugh at us and they make snine comments and stuff

916
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>from their easy chair man. You're going to have if

917
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you're ever going to see anything, if you're ever going

918
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to do anything, you got to get out in the

919
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 2>woods and you're going to have to get a take

920
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.360
<v Speaker 2>or two. And that's really what it boils down to.

921
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I have. I would say in the last five years,

922
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I've actually seen with my eyes two to Sasquatch. One

923
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a good view at all, but I could tell

924
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was looking at because it was so big,

925
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and I actually got that on film. But it's a joke.

926
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Nobody even wants to look at it. It's in one

927
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of my YouTube videos, but it's just I knew what

928
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.559
<v Speaker 2>it was, but my film footage ain't gonna it's not

929
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.280
<v Speaker 2>going to convince anybody. The other one, I saw a

930
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 2>tree peaker leaning out looking at me from behind a tree.

931
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.519
<v Speaker 2>I had my cell phone in my hand, and I

932
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 2>was so dumbstruck that I didn't even think to use it.

933
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 2>So I've seen them twice in the last five years.

934
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 2>And I would say that I go camping all weekend

935
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>long at least twice a month, twice a month, so

936
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm in Yeah, I'm in the woods anyway, and that's

937
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 2>not counting day trips. So I would be willing to

938
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.199
<v Speaker 2>bet you that I'm in the woods seven eight days

939
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.159
<v Speaker 2>a month, easy. And that's you know, like spring break,

940
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 2>we were out there for five days straight over Christmas Break.

941
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a school teacher my work hours. I'll spend a

942
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.199
<v Speaker 2>week in the woods over Christmas break. If I spend

943
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.679
<v Speaker 2>any more than that, my wife will kill me. During

944
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the summertime, I spend a lot of time in the

945
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>woods as long as it's not ridiculously hot. You need

946
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the drill. But I'm out there probably more than just

947
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 2>about anybody you've ever met. I spend a lot of time,

948
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and I've spent a ton of time in the woods

949
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.719
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. I was a Scout leader for years

950
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and years and that's what I've always done. And before

951
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I started doing this bigfoot thing, I was a hunter

952
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 2>and I spend a lot of time in the woods,

953
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 2>hunting deer and hunting coyotes and just hunting whatever whatever

954
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 2>got me out in the woods. I've always loved to

955
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>spend time in the woods. And if you want one

956
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 2>thing that is going to help aid you, it's you're

957
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.920
<v Speaker 2>going to have to spend at least a week a

958
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 2>month in the woods, and that's a good start.

959
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Big for society will be right back after these messages.

960
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Step two would probably be to choose your locations wisely.

961
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I definitely agree with the second one for sure.

962
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's about as solid as I can get.

963
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 1>So I've had the opportunity to go out a few

964
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 1>times in Iowa with some researchers. Have you found that

965
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 1>you start having activity right away or is it always

966
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like for us it seems to be like the second

967
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the second night, or it's just it's weird. I don't

968
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 1>know how to it. Maybe that's just coincidence, but.

969
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I think there may be something to what you're saying,

970
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 2>because except for that one night when I had the

971
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.960
<v Speaker 2>two juveniles come in, that was the first night we

972
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 2>got there, and I think we just bumbled into them.

973
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 2>But from what I've noticed, it seems like the first

974
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:22.800
<v Speaker 2>night is almost always uneventful. Later on, though, that's when

975
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 2>more stuff starts happening, and that's when you'll have encounters.

976
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, it seems like the third night

977
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.960
<v Speaker 2>has to do. The second or third night is when

978
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.239
<v Speaker 2>things will usually happen. At that point, they're probably wondering

979
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.480
<v Speaker 2>when you're going to leave, and I don't know why

980
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that is, but there is possibly something to that. Most

981
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 2>of the time, though, I would say ninety percent of

982
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the time, the first night is usually uneventful.

983
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:58.119
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. You mentioned that you had seen a tree peaker.

984
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 1>How far away from you was that and did you

985
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.599
<v Speaker 1>were you able to notice any details of culture?

986
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 2>There wasn't any details. Really. My buddy Coleman and I

987
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:15.280
<v Speaker 2>we were walking in the rain, like being bats. We

988
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:21.679
<v Speaker 2>were out looking and searching in the rain, and we

989
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:26.519
<v Speaker 2>was just walking along this trail and something just told me,

990
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.719
<v Speaker 2>you need to turn around and look back the way

991
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.519
<v Speaker 2>that you came, and so I took about a half

992
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a step backwards and I looked back the way we came,

993
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's when I saw it. I saw this head

994
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 2>leaning out from behind a tree, and it was it

995
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>was oblong shape, which kind of made me think it

996
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of conical head, but it's hard to tell. But

997
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:55.159
<v Speaker 2>it's leaning out, it's looking and at first I was

998
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. I just

999
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.280
<v Speaker 2>took my breath away and I was like wow. And

1000
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting here thinking all this stuff, and I'm like,

1001
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.559
<v Speaker 2>that's really it. That's really it. I'm seeing one. It's

1002
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 2>right there, it's right there. And then the thought crossed

1003
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 2>my mind. It's like, man, I really I want Coleman

1004
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 2>to see this. I want Coleman to see this. So

1005
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Coleman, come, I need you to come

1006
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 2>over here real quick. And Coleman comes over there and

1007
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.000
<v Speaker 2>he's like, what's up. And I'm like, I need you

1008
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 2>to pretend like you're talking to me. But what you're

1009
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:23.639
<v Speaker 2>going to do is you're going to look over my

1010
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.360
<v Speaker 2>left shoulder and you're going to look just past my ear,

1011
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.679
<v Speaker 2>but you're going to pretend like you're looking at me.

1012
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 2>And we're going to keep talking, like we're just chatting

1013
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 2>it up. He's like, Okay, I said, do you see

1014
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.360
<v Speaker 2>those two big trees over there? And he goes yeah,

1015
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.800
<v Speaker 2>And I go, do you see the head leaning out?

1016
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.199
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, no, I don't. Oh yeah, I see it.

1017
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 2>And you can just see his eyes open up a

1018
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit and he's sitting here and he's looking at

1019
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.280
<v Speaker 2>it too, and neither one of us are even thinking

1020
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 2>about our cell phones or anything. It's just like, wow,

1021
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:57.280
<v Speaker 2>there it is. There's one really right there. And so

1022
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>we watched it for a few minutes, but I don't know,

1023
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't resist and I ended up turning around

1024
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to look again, and that's when it disappeared. And

1025
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I actually saw it pull back behind the tree once,

1026
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and so I saw it move and that's what just

1027
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, oh my gosh. Anyway, it was

1028
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>so cool. It was just so cool getting to see it.

1029
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.440
<v Speaker 2>But we ended up going back out there the next day,

1030
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and so we went and we stood where we were

1031
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and then my buddy Jeff goes over there and stands

1032
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.000
<v Speaker 2>where this thing was behind this tree. And this is

1033
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.679
<v Speaker 2>the part that freaked me out. We took a laser rangefinder,

1034
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and we ranged it out. It one hundred and twenty yards,

1035
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.559
<v Speaker 2>so it was like the length of a football field,

1036
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and I still to this day, I don't think it

1037
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 2>was that far. But this thing was so tall. I

1038
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 2>could barely see Jeff over there. And when Jeff lifted

1039
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.960
<v Speaker 2>his hand all way up in the air, it was

1040
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.280
<v Speaker 2>barely up there where we could see it, which means

1041
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:11.519
<v Speaker 2>this thing and Jeff is six foot tall, and this

1042
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 2>thing literally had to have been ten foot tall. It

1043
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.960
<v Speaker 2>was a beast. It was massive. It was huge, and

1044
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I think that's part of the reason why in my

1045
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.599
<v Speaker 2>head I thought it was a lot closer than what

1046
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:29.239
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was further away. It was just really big,

1047
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:31.639
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the fact that there was a

1048
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit more distance to it than what I thought.

1049
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that's why I couldn't get a whole lot

1050
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:42.239
<v Speaker 2>of detail, you know what I mean. But still I

1051
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.920
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know. It was I feel very fortunate

1052
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 2>to have actually gotten to see that, and that was

1053
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:52.800
<v Speaker 2>really exciting. That actually happened at Hayburn Lake and there

1054
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:58.440
<v Speaker 2>south west of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and that was probably about

1055
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a year ago, And man, that was a thrill, say

1056
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the least you live for stuff like that, So.

1057
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I would respond to that, but

1058
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 1>hats off to you for being able to handle that

1059
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.639
<v Speaker 1>so easily, and so your buddy was able to see

1060
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it as well. That's pretty cool. Over the years, have

1061
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you had the have you been able to talk to

1062
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.440
<v Speaker 1>any I guess you would say law enforcement officials or

1063
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.880
<v Speaker 1>forestry workers or whatever the equivalent is called down in

1064
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma about cryptids.

1065
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Or It's interesting that I personally have not had any

1066
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:45.920
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement friends or people that I know that are

1067
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 2>actually like knowers. I have met. I wouldn't call them

1068
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>my friends, but I've been introduced to two different individuals,

1069
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to mention their names or what

1070
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:03.880
<v Speaker 2>state parks they want, but both of them were State

1071
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:11.159
<v Speaker 2>of Oklahoma Parks and Recreation rangers, and they were both knowers.

1072
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 2>One of them, he was a very nice guy. He

1073
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.719
<v Speaker 2>saw my big foot sticker on my car, struck up

1074
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:23.920
<v Speaker 2>a conversation, gave me his business card. He said that

1075
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:28.280
<v Speaker 2>he knew that they existed, he'd seen him before, and

1076
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 2>he was just real open and friendly about it. But

1077
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's probably unusual for that now for

1078
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.159
<v Speaker 2>one of those guys to just talk to a stranger

1079
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and tell them. But he was pretty confident. He said,

1080
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I know for a fact that there's not any of

1081
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:50.480
<v Speaker 2>these creatures at this state park. And the funny thing is,

1082
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I've actually gotten reports from the state park that he

1083
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 2>was working at, and he was apparently not aware of them,

1084
01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.239
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't want to contradise him. And the other

1085
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.079
<v Speaker 2>one was a fellow that I was introduced to who

1086
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.559
<v Speaker 2>is a park ranger, and I was introduced to him

1087
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 2>via third party and he's a knower too, and I'm

1088
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.480
<v Speaker 2>not going to tell his story or how he knows

1089
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.600
<v Speaker 2>because there are a few people that know who he

1090
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:22.439
<v Speaker 2>is and I think it's brought him some grief, so

1091
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.960
<v Speaker 2>just to be professional and not bring them out. But yeah,

1092
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I've met two of them who are knowers, but they're

1093
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:35.399
<v Speaker 2>not really super talkative about it, and they definitely don't

1094
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 2>want to go public about it. But as far as

1095
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 2>like any law enforcement officers know. But on the flip side,

1096
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:52.319
<v Speaker 2>the former head of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations,

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01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I believe his name is mister Pratt. He I can't

1098
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:03.119
<v Speaker 2>remember his first name now. Many one time, he's a knower,

1099
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 2>and he was a very high ranking official within the

1100
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.600
<v Speaker 2>state of Oklahoma. He was the head of the OSBI.

1101
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:14.359
<v Speaker 2>That's basically I don't know n CIS or whatever the

1102
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:17.119
<v Speaker 2>TV show is going right now. He was the head

1103
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:21.239
<v Speaker 2>for the whole state. And he's a knower, very Henry

1104
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Print I think it's his name. Super smart dude. There

1105
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.159
<v Speaker 2>are people within the state that hold those positions that

1106
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.239
<v Speaker 2>they're knowers, but they don't talk about it as much.

1107
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:38.479
<v Speaker 2>It usually just brings you nothing but grief when you

1108
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.800
<v Speaker 2>come out of the closet, you know what I'm saying.

1109
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:50.239
<v Speaker 1>So, is that Harvey Prett Harvey, Yes, because that's the

1110
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 1>guy who did the tryings in David Poladi's book, Right, Yeah,

1111
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the same dude.

1112
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:03.840
<v Speaker 2>He's that's int Oh yeah, he's probably the I don't know,

1113
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 2>most famous law enforcement person that I've ever heard of.

1114
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:13.079
<v Speaker 2>That's a knower, And I think that's enough. He's about

1115
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.600
<v Speaker 2>as far up there as you can go. He was

1116
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a big dog before he retired, and he's a very

1117
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:23.800
<v Speaker 2>friendly man. So place he impressed me. But anyway, I

1118
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:27.479
<v Speaker 2>don't I'm sure there's others. I'm sure there are. It's

1119
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.520
<v Speaker 2>just who do you. You know, they're not coming out

1120
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.720
<v Speaker 2>and talking. You've got that phenomenon. They just don't talk.

1121
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma's tight lipped anyway, And it's just the stigma. It's

1122
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:48.359
<v Speaker 2>the stigma that surrounds it. These people, these law enforcement individuals,

1123
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:55.960
<v Speaker 2>their judgment is everything for them because if they're crazy

1124
01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:01.199
<v Speaker 2>or deemed incompetent, I mean that their testimony is worthless,

1125
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:06.359
<v Speaker 2>and their testimony is true probably their most important thing.

1126
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:11.760
<v Speaker 2>So they have to maintain that higher level of integrity,

1127
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and they probably guard it much more protected than most people,

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01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 2>your average Joe would.

1129
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely There's one last question that I want to ask you.

1130
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.319
<v Speaker 1>You're an absolute wealth and knowledge and I really appreciate it.

1131
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 1>There's another location I had just reminded myself of and

1132
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.319
<v Speaker 1>just because I've gotten a lot of stuff from that

1133
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.560
<v Speaker 1>area over the last few weeks. This is the Beaver's

1134
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Bend area of Oklahoma. Yeah, and so here's the thing.

1135
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like half the people are like, you're crazy because

1136
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just a tourist area when I talk about it.

1137
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But there's some other people that are like, Okay, it

1138
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.279
<v Speaker 1>is weird there. So I'm curious, like what your take

1139
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.880
<v Speaker 1>on it is. Is it just a tourist area or

1140
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is there weird stuff that I actually happens there.

1141
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.720
<v Speaker 2>My area is Anad is not far from there.

1142
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh snap, well okay.

1143
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's no. I mean, it's it really is a

1144
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.039
<v Speaker 2>tourist trap. Now. When when I first started going down

1145
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.560
<v Speaker 2>to Hanabi years ago, or not han Nabi, we called

1146
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Huci town that that place was dead. There was nothing there.

1147
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:30.000
<v Speaker 2>There was a filling station and a bank and a

1148
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.439
<v Speaker 2>post office and a couple of other little stores. But

1149
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 2>now it's like exploding and it's turned into this tourist trap.

1150
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And you've got all these rich urban bikers that ride

1151
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:44.319
<v Speaker 2>out there, and and they ride out there and they're

1152
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:48.439
<v Speaker 2>running around and it's quite the vacation. It's very pretty,

1153
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.239
<v Speaker 2>it really is. And there's been a flood of people

1154
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:55.920
<v Speaker 2>moving to the area. But you're right, there's a lot

1155
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of encounters down there. I know that there was a

1156
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly what it is. I'm seeking more

1157
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.079
<v Speaker 2>information on this case file, but I just received a

1158
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.840
<v Speaker 2>story and it might have been from one of your yours.

1159
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.960
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, it was. It came to me,

1160
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.760
<v Speaker 2>but it was about that service technician at the restaurant

1161
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.439
<v Speaker 2>over there that had a bigfoot staring at him while

1162
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 2>he was working on the roof or something. Was that

1163
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you or was that another.

1164
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it actually was. I've gotten a lot

1165
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of skin, actually skin walker stuff from that areadly enough.

1166
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any skin, but anyway, but yeah, there's

1167
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:41.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of stuff that goes on in that area.

1168
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily like the Beaver's Bend area. I would

1169
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:51.319
<v Speaker 2>say it's more like the Broken Bow Lake area, because

1170
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Beaver's Been is the river where it comes out of

1171
01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:00.399
<v Speaker 2>Broken Bow Lake, and that area is just there is

1172
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of activity. It's draw big circle around

1173
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the lake. Honestly, they're everywhere down southeastern Oklahoma. They really are.

1174
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:14.239
<v Speaker 2>There's no area throw a dart at the map there.

1175
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.279
<v Speaker 2>If there's a water source there there. I'd be hesitant

1176
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to even try to guess how many of the Sasquatch

1177
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>people are actually living down in there. I think it's

1178
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot more than more people realize. Man, you get

1179
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 2>down there in that Washington National Forest, it is huge.

1180
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.439
<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely huge. The camp spot that we were camping

1181
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 2>at was thirteen miles back in from the closest blacktop

1182
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 2>road into the National Forest. Wow that we joke around,

1183
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.840
<v Speaker 2>but we're serious. We always say whatever you don't get

1184
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:53.399
<v Speaker 2>hurt out here, you'll believe out before we get to

1185
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 2>the Blacktop. It's no joke, but it's very serious. We're

1186
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.640
<v Speaker 2>out there in the middle of nowhere. There is there's

1187
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:08.600
<v Speaker 2>very few hospitals. There's just no civilization. There's vast areas

1188
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.119
<v Speaker 2>where there's just no people living.

1189
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Nothing big for society will be right back after these messages.

1190
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.760
<v Speaker 2>The habitat is there. The amount of wild hogs is

1191
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.439
<v Speaker 2>down there in southeastern Oklahoma could feed a small army.

1192
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.359
<v Speaker 2>It's just you'll see packs of wild hogs, of thirty

1193
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:46.479
<v Speaker 2>forty fifty hogs in one pack running around down there.

1194
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Really.

1195
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh man, we're talking barbecue buffet. The volume

1196
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.239
<v Speaker 2>of food that is available to them down there is massive.

1197
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.920
<v Speaker 2>And I'm here to tell you right now, unless you've

1198
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 2>been down there in the National Forest and you've walked it,

1199
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.279
<v Speaker 2>you can just get out or just drive it. You

1200
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:15.840
<v Speaker 2>cannot possibly fathom how big that place is. I've been

1201
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.600
<v Speaker 2>going down to that place now for ten years off

1202
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and on, and I have not I've always joking around

1203
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 2>with my buddy Eric. This last time we drive by road.

1204
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:31.439
<v Speaker 2>I like, I've never been down that road. I've never

1205
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.720
<v Speaker 2>been down that road. I don't know what's down there.

1206
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I've been going down there forever, not forever, but a

1207
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:40.520
<v Speaker 2>long time, and there's just so much of it that

1208
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.479
<v Speaker 2>I've never even seen, and it's just right there. I

1209
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:49.119
<v Speaker 2>just a it's absolutely unfathomed. How big the Washington National

1210
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Forest is. Now, Let's talk about the Jack Fork Mountains.

1211
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the Winding Stair area. Let's talk about

1212
01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.399
<v Speaker 2>the Three Rivers area, Let's talk about the Hanamby Wildlife

1213
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Management Area. Is just it never ends down there. The

1214
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Ozark National Forest, let's go north a little bit. There

1215
01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:13.560
<v Speaker 2>is city people do not have a clue how much

1216
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:19.359
<v Speaker 2>real estate is down there and how unaccessible it is.

1217
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:26.039
<v Speaker 2>We cannot get into some of these places. Literally. Wow,

1218
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.880
<v Speaker 2>for a city person, just imagine this. You put Oklahoma City,

1219
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.399
<v Speaker 2>the entire all the burbs, you put it all together,

1220
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and take Tulsa and Broken Air though it all together

1221
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.520
<v Speaker 2>in the Washtaw National Forest is at least ten or

1222
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.239
<v Speaker 2>fifteen times bigger than that.

1223
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:48.000
<v Speaker 1>That's wild.

1224
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's nobody living out there.

1225
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that's no wonder. Something can live out there

1226
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:56.279
<v Speaker 1>like that, not.

1227
01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Just something a civilization of something. There could be a

1228
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:03.680
<v Speaker 2>dinosaur roaming around down there, and I don't think anybody

1229
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:04.159
<v Speaker 2>know it.

1230
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's dinosaurs down there? Okay? I mean,

1231
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm dude. I've heard stories out of Canada, so I

1232
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.039
<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, double check.

1233
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Some terrosaurs or something.

1234
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:17.279
<v Speaker 1>But there you go.

1235
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a whole different category. But the point is,

1236
01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 2>unless you've been down there and you've driven through it

1237
01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>or walked it, you really just you cannot imagine how

1238
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:33.039
<v Speaker 2>big those places are. And that's just Oklahoma. Let's go

1239
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.479
<v Speaker 2>to Colorado and let's talk about the Rio Grande National Forest.

1240
01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:42.600
<v Speaker 2>You get lost over there, they'll never find you. Well,

1241
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd never find you. No, it's just some of these places.

1242
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.439
<v Speaker 2>It's if you broke down and you're going to die,

1243
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.640
<v Speaker 2>It would take you a day to walk out of

1244
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.119
<v Speaker 2>some of these places unless somebody just happened to pick

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<v Speaker 2>you up. Yeah, And I don't think people really realize

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<v Speaker 2>how remote some of these places can really be. And

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<v Speaker 2>other than a rental cabin here or there, that an

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<v Speaker 2>Airbnb rental cabin, there's no civilization out there. It's beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is. And I think that's why they're out there.

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<v Speaker 2>These forests are massive, and I think there's whole communities

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<v Speaker 2>of these creatures living out there, and they're just doing

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<v Speaker 2>what they want to do. And contrary to popular belief,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they need our help. Nature don't need

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<v Speaker 2>our government's help.

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<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't need my government's help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the government can stay away from Bigfoot for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>although who knows, they probably have their hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they probably, they probably do. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be stupid to think that the government is not

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<v Speaker 2>aware of But yeah, maybe for once the government is

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<v Speaker 2>smart enough to just leave them alone.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be great, that would be that would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Brian, it has been so fun chatting with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming on. Do you mind

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<v Speaker 1>sharing how if you could take a minute or two

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<v Speaker 1>to share the different ways that people can keep up

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<v Speaker 1>to date with Red Dirt Cryptid investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>Our primary hub, of course, is our Facebook page. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where we post a bunch of stuff and people chat

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<v Speaker 2>and people talk. So check us out on Facebook, follow

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<v Speaker 2>us on YouTube. Of course. My YouTube videos are not

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<v Speaker 2>faked at all. I just I take you guys with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I film whenever we get out there, basically me and

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<v Speaker 2>my guys out there in the woods actually looking for evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's really if you want to see our evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in our YouTube channel. Do try to that pretty seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>although we do joke around a little bit. You have to,

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<v Speaker 2>but on YouTube, We're on TikTok as well work on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to that,

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01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. There's a couple of other knickknack

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<v Speaker 2>apps that we're on, but primarily TikTok, YouTube and Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you'd like to get a hold of me,

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<v Speaker 2>just go to our Facebook page. The easiest way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it is just find me on the Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of the admins and just hit me up

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook Messenger. You can send me an email too,

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<v Speaker 2>but that takes longer, and hey, let's face it, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>likes type it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope some people that hear this. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>have information about the areas Brian's been talking about. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I always reach out to him directly and I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>some links in the show notes. But thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for coming on. Brian. Having real puch of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love sitting around talking about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice being able to talk about this and just

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<v Speaker 1>have a good, positive atmosphere where people are willing to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good stuff. You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment.

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<v Speaker 1>But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced

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<v Speaker 1>something that you just can't explain, please send me an

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<v Speaker 1>email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>can start the conversation. And I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years and it's time that you get this off

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<v Speaker 1>your chest and then you can get some well deserved

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<v Speaker 1>for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one

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<v Speaker 1>of you listening.

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<v Speaker 1>had a Bigfoot encounter related to the or know someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society

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<v Speaker 1>at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the list. These are all on Oregon by the Way Oakridge,

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<v Speaker 1>Dexter Fall Creek, to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultis Lake,

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit Lake, Stuttle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

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<v Speaker 1>the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Highway. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. A special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society,

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your support that helps

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<v Speaker 1>keep the show going and I extremely appreciate it. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you there, and again, thanks for listening.