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Speaker 1: got the privilege of chatting with mister Brian Terrell from
Speaker 1: Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations down there in the great state
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. How's it going today, Brian.
Speaker 2: That's going great man. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I've been wanting to chat with you for
Speaker 1: a while. I love talking to people from Oklahoma. You
Speaker 1: guys have one of the coolest states when it comes
Speaker 1: to Bigfoot encryptids, and some people get back out of
Speaker 1: shape because they're like, oh, I only want to talk
Speaker 1: to a bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest. But man,
Speaker 1: I love the Oklahoma stuff like it is. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to ask start with the
Speaker 1: question that, yeah, probably everyone starts with, is how did
Speaker 1: you get into this wild stuff, all this wild bigfoot
Speaker 1: and you're in a dog man too, and you're into
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just like some people have the shock factor.
Speaker 2: I'm not that way. I was eased into it. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure that I had bigfoot on the property when
Speaker 2: I was a kid growing up at the farm, and
Speaker 2: I didn't know it at the time. It was till
Speaker 2: much later, and I accidentally ended up investigating a nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six investigating a bigfoot sighting, and I didn't even
Speaker 2: know what I was doing, but I was just curious
Speaker 2: and nosy, and I ended up going out to the
Speaker 2: low location and nosing around on my own, and so
Speaker 2: I really so for a long time I was open
Speaker 2: to the idea that they might be out there. But
Speaker 2: to fast forward to two thousand and seven, I ended
Speaker 2: up seeing what I guess people would say was a
Speaker 2: dog man, although at the time it just looked like
Speaker 2: a giant wolf to me, and I had no idea
Speaker 2: what I was looking at. I thought it was just
Speaker 2: some giant wolf that was some kind of mutant or something,
Speaker 2: and I figured that it wouldn't last very long because
Speaker 2: it was freaking nature and a rancher was going to
Speaker 2: shoot it pretty quick and that would be the end
Speaker 2: of that. I didn't realize at the time that there
Speaker 2: was a breeding population of these things. I was fortunate
Speaker 2: that it didn't stand up on its hind legs and
Speaker 2: run or something. I probably would have lost my cookies
Speaker 2: if I'd have seen that. So when I say I
Speaker 2: was like eased into this cryptid world, I mean it.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know how somebody could be more gradually
Speaker 2: brought into this genre than the way I have been,
Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the reason why I
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of the PTSD and a lot
Speaker 2: of the fear that a lot of people have. But man,
Speaker 2: I definitely got a lot of respect for these creatures,
Speaker 2: and I usually do everything I can to do it
Speaker 2: as smart as I can.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so dog inciting in two thousand and seven, that
Speaker 1: is wild. What part of Okaho can you share? What
Speaker 1: part of Oklahoma that happened to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do occasionally. It was basically north central Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: I'll just say it was close to Crescent, Oklahoma, but
Speaker 2: not anywhere. It was a little ways away from there.
Speaker 2: I'm intentionally not giving away the exact location because there's
Speaker 2: family land involved in the situation. The last thing I
Speaker 2: need is a bunch of Hurrahs showing up out there
Speaker 2: and trying to run around out there and call in
Speaker 2: dog man or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't actually on my family land, but it
Speaker 2: was on a piece of property that was a little
Speaker 2: ways away and it was just it was a broad
Speaker 2: daylight thing. I was just driving in my pickup truck
Speaker 2: going out. I was actually on the way out to
Speaker 2: one of a piece of family land, and I just
Speaker 2: happened to look over and there the thing was, and
Speaker 2: it was just sitting there, and I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to make of it or anything. It was At first,
Speaker 2: I just wasn't getting it. You look at something, you're like,
Speaker 2: it's a really big dog, and then you just let
Speaker 2: just that's really big things about the size of a cow. Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and this broad daylight. And like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty fortunate it didn't get up and stand up
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know what I would I don't
Speaker 2: know what my I don't know what I would have
Speaker 2: done if that would have happened. Hard to say, but
Speaker 2: in a way, I'm glad it didn't. But it was years,
Speaker 2: many years later, that I actually figured out that I'd
Speaker 2: seen something that unusual. I was listening to some Sashquatch
Speaker 2: chronicles type stuff, and I kept hearing the mentioning dog man,
Speaker 2: dog man, dog, and I'm like, what are they talking about?
Speaker 2: And I was actually picturing it something like a sintaur
Speaker 2: with a dog's body and a man's head or something,
Speaker 2: if that's what they think they're seeing. And then I
Speaker 2: go ahead and I do a little search and little
Speaker 2: Google search of it, and that's what it hit me.
Speaker 2: That's what I saw back then, and it was pretty overwhelming.
Speaker 2: And that's when it that's when the fire really got lit.
Speaker 2: Is when I realized that I had not only had
Speaker 2: I seen one of these creatures, but I'd seen one
Speaker 2: fairly close. And that that's when the avalanche, I guess
Speaker 2: you could say, started with me. And from there on
Speaker 2: out it was downhill. From there, I look into just
Speaker 2: about everything from flying cryptis, dog man, sasquatch. We get
Speaker 2: a lot of dog man reports, but we get a
Speaker 2: lot more bigfoot reports, and so therefore I would have
Speaker 2: to say that bigfoot is our bread and butter down here,
Speaker 2: but we've got a lot of dog man reports too.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that I have over sixty dog man
Speaker 2: reports documented here in Oklahoma in southern Kansas, but we've
Speaker 2: definitely got way over two hundred bigfoot reports now, so
Speaker 2: it's kind of I'd say that the dog man population
Speaker 2: is a lot less, but the bigfoot population is definitely
Speaker 2: healthy over here. What you was saying before about thinking
Speaker 2: that has to be up in the northwest, man, I
Speaker 2: think Oklahoma is greatly undervalued when it comes to bigfoot population.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more of them down here
Speaker 2: than what people think. And I think the reason why
Speaker 2: we don't have I think it's a combination of two things.
Speaker 2: A we don't have the volume of people that they
Speaker 2: have in others, some of these densely populated states. But
Speaker 2: the other thing is Oklahoma and southern Kansas is like
Speaker 2: the heart of the Bible Belt. They're like, we're like
Speaker 2: really conservative, and that type of individual is very unlikely
Speaker 2: if they were to see something to come out and
Speaker 2: actually tell the public. I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2: You hear people say over and over again on shows
Speaker 2: that maybe one out of every ten bigfoot sightings actually
Speaker 2: get reported. I'm pretty sure in my area it's more
Speaker 2: like one out of every twenty or thirty. So super
Speaker 2: conservative down here. A lot of people are pretty tight lip.
Speaker 2: They don't talk so.
Speaker 1: Which I totally agree with you on that, But it's
Speaker 1: just think about then taking that how many potential bigfoot
Speaker 1: sightings actually happen in the state of Oklahoma. It's got
Speaker 1: to be a massive amount.
Speaker 2: You go to some of the these Facebook pages and
Speaker 2: these YouTube channels and stuff, and the vast majority of
Speaker 2: people that are following those groups are these silent people
Speaker 2: that never really speak up when it comes to like
Speaker 2: my Facebook group, I've got like a core of I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe maybe fifty people that that comment on
Speaker 2: a regular basis post stuff. The rest of the people
Speaker 2: they're just sitting back and real quiet, like and watch it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the lion's share of people, is
Speaker 2: that kind of want to know what's going on, but
Speaker 2: they don't want everybody to know that they're interested.
Speaker 1: So they're the there are they the people where it's
Speaker 1: like they will only tell you something has happened if
Speaker 1: you direct message them out of the blue and blatantly
Speaker 1: ask them have you experienced something? And they're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I found there's a lot of people in my
Speaker 1: group that's the case. They won't just come out and
Speaker 1: say it. Man, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: It really is. The psychology that's involved when it comes
Speaker 2: to eyewitnesses is you could probably write a book on it,
Speaker 2: and all that PTSD traumatic stuff, it plays a role
Speaker 2: in that stuff. You never really know how a person's
Speaker 2: going to react when they see something like that. That's
Speaker 2: why I know that I'm very fortunate that I haven't
Speaker 2: been traumatized, psychologically damaged, just flat out and messed up,
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine what it would be like just
Speaker 2: be going for a little stroll in the park or
Speaker 2: something and coming around a corner and there's a dog
Speaker 2: man standing there upright eyeball and you licking his chops.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what that would be like. So
Speaker 2: I don't know the people that does happen to. Man,
Speaker 2: my heart really goes out to you. I don't. How
Speaker 2: do you go to work after that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How do you do anything? Yeah? You had said
Speaker 1: something really quick, and I don't want to let it
Speaker 1: slip by. You'd mentioned to the side where you're pretty
Speaker 1: sure that you may have had bigfoot on your property
Speaker 1: when you're growing up. Can you go more into that.
Speaker 2: There was a whole bunch of little things that happened,
Speaker 2: but it all and I'll go over. I'll try to
Speaker 2: give you the cliff notes version, because once I start
Speaker 2: talking and telling stories, I just it seems like I
Speaker 2: go on forever. But I had a bunch of knick
Speaker 2: knack things that would happen, Like we had a grainery
Speaker 2: inside the barn, and we kept seed grain in there,
Speaker 2: but we also kept dog and cat food in there.
Speaker 2: And I was constantly I was the only kid down there,
Speaker 2: and I grew up there, spent summers there, spring breaks
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I lived with my grandparents a lot,
Speaker 2: but not all the time. I went to school in
Speaker 2: town and I lived with my parents, but I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time down there, and I would always
Speaker 2: get in trouble for leaving the grain reopen, leaving the
Speaker 2: grain reopen, and it got to where it was just
Speaker 2: like a normal thing. It was like I would go
Speaker 2: down there and I would, you know, to put the
Speaker 2: lock on. It wasn't a pad lock, but it was
Speaker 2: like a little wooden lever lock and I would lock
Speaker 2: the door. I'd come back the next morning and it
Speaker 2: was open again. And that was a pretty constant thing.
Speaker 2: So something I believe was getting in there and getting
Speaker 2: cat food and dog food out, and I think we
Speaker 2: know who does that. I also had a situation where
Speaker 2: I had built a tree house in the woods, and
Speaker 2: at the time I got it finished, it got torn
Speaker 2: out of the tree. It was literally like ripped out
Speaker 2: of the tree. All the lumber was down on the ground.
Speaker 2: It was broken into pieces. And I thought that my
Speaker 2: grandfather had done it because it was out there. It
Speaker 2: was just it was me, Grandpa and Grandma seldom left
Speaker 2: the house. Grandpa never really went to the woods unless
Speaker 2: he was in the pickup truck. But I thought it
Speaker 2: must have been Grandpa. He must have found out that
Speaker 2: I was taking some of his good wood for my treehouse,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't supposed to do so. I spent about
Speaker 2: three days waiting on a whipping and it just never came,
Speaker 2: and everything just seemed normal. So finally I was like, Grandpa,
Speaker 2: why why did you tear down my treehouse out in
Speaker 2: the or my tree ford out in the woods. And
Speaker 2: he's like, I didn't do that, and I was like,
Speaker 2: and I was, I don't know. I can't believe it
Speaker 2: had to have been him. So I cressured him a
Speaker 2: little bit about it, and he was like, Brian, I
Speaker 2: don't even know where your treehouse is, you know. And
Speaker 2: so looking back on it now, I think I know
Speaker 2: that was probably seen as some kind of encroachment on
Speaker 2: the territory or something like that. It might have had
Speaker 2: something to do with me urinating so much around that area,
Speaker 2: because I would just pee off the edge of the
Speaker 2: tree house like boys do. And I guess that might
Speaker 2: have been what happened there. But it's not like there
Speaker 2: was other people out there that could have seen that
Speaker 2: and done that, let alone ripped it out of it tree.
Speaker 2: There was another incident too, where I saw some glowing
Speaker 2: red eyes down in the crow one night when I
Speaker 2: was going back down to shut off the lights in
Speaker 2: the barn, and I went up and I told my
Speaker 2: grandpa about it, and he tried to convince me that
Speaker 2: it was a cow. Of course, what would you expect
Speaker 2: to be down in there, But it wasn't a cow,
Speaker 2: because it was two eyes looking straight at me, and
Speaker 2: it seems like to me. I remember they were a
Speaker 2: white yellow color, and I just had the feeling i'd
Speaker 2: gone down there. I'd walk down there one hundred times
Speaker 2: to turn off the lights, and there's off and on.
Speaker 2: There would always be maybe a couple of cows down
Speaker 2: there in the corral or something. Nothing ever bothered me,
Speaker 2: but that one night I felt it before I saw
Speaker 2: the eyes, and looking back on it now I know
Speaker 2: what that was. But at the time I had no idea.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of knickknack things that was
Speaker 2: going on down the farm, but it was the small
Speaker 2: things that you could dismiss easily. And I'm pretty confident
Speaker 2: that my grandfather had no idea anything like that was
Speaker 2: going on, because I don't think he would let me
Speaker 2: go down there and play alone. It's times have changed.
Speaker 2: Back then. I had one hundred and sixty acres at
Speaker 2: my disposal and it was all woods at the spring
Speaker 2: fed creek flowing through it. It was heaven still is.
Speaker 2: But the truth is, if he'd have thought that there
Speaker 2: was anything dangerous out there. He wouldn't let me go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely hindsight is twenty twenty, and you think
Speaker 1: of that stuff where you are now, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: probably had some stuff going on. And Oklahoma, I've always
Speaker 1: thought a Bigfoot, but I've never really thought of dog
Speaker 1: Man a lot before. But I find it interesting how
Speaker 1: in certain parts of the US there seems to be
Speaker 1: like it. There's seems to be groups of big Foot
Speaker 1: and there's groups of dog Man. They live in the
Speaker 1: same area. Do you think that might be the same
Speaker 1: situation in certain parts of Oklahoma? Or do they tend
Speaker 1: to stay away from each other? From what you found,
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Speaker 2: I have not seen any evidence whatsoever that they will
Speaker 2: separate and stay away from each other. Now I have
Speaker 2: seen some contradiction to that. I have seen and gotten
Speaker 2: reports of them basically being in the same areas, not
Speaker 2: necessarily at the same times, but definitely in the same areas.
Speaker 2: So as far as I'm concerned, I have never seen
Speaker 2: any evidence that would lead me to believe that one
Speaker 2: particular area is dog Man territory and the other particular
Speaker 2: area is Sasquatch territory. Okay. I don't give much credence
Speaker 2: to the whole dog man bigfoot WWF fighted out theory.
Speaker 2: I think we'd hear that going on, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know everybody wants to see it. It's definitely make
Speaker 2: a good pay for view.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. That'd be some wild stuff enough seeing bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see a bigfoot than a dog man any day.
Speaker 1: I hope I never get near one of the dog
Speaker 1: man creatures. They're just wild. But I guess we have
Speaker 1: them in Iowa. So I got to look out. Have
Speaker 1: you found that there's a certain part of Oklahoma that
Speaker 1: seems to have more dog man activity coming out of it?
Speaker 2: There is patches. I guess you could say there's a
Speaker 2: certain There's not an area of Oklahoma that I would
Speaker 2: say is free of dog man activity, but there are
Speaker 2: certain patches where you'll get like a small cluster of reports.
Speaker 2: We've got an area over in far western Oklahoma where
Speaker 2: there's been a cluster of dog man reports and encounters.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of reports come out of a
Speaker 2: town called Shawnee, Oklahoma, up and down and around the river.
Speaker 2: But there's also bigfoot reports that come out of there
Speaker 2: as well. There's been several reports over by Tallaheena, up
Speaker 2: by north of Bartlesville, there's been a couple of reports.
Speaker 2: They're really everywhere, but every once in a while you
Speaker 2: get several and one immediate location. But they're not as
Speaker 2: predictable as far as where they're going to be as
Speaker 2: a bigfoot, because I don't personally believe that a dog
Speaker 2: man has to stay as close to water as a
Speaker 2: bigfoot does. Almost all the bigfoot side that you're going
Speaker 2: to hear about, at least coming from our area, is
Speaker 2: going to be within a mile of water. They really
Speaker 2: don't get that far away from water. I guess they're
Speaker 2: I guess they're thirsty. I don't know, but they don't
Speaker 2: hear about that. But that's not the way with dog men.
Speaker 2: Dog Men be out in the middle of nowhere where
Speaker 2: there's really no water or anything, and so there's no
Speaker 2: rhyme or reason to them. Makes them a lot harder
Speaker 2: to predict. Of course, my personal opinion is what we
Speaker 2: know about dog man is like thirty years behind what
Speaker 2: we know about sasquatch. We've been studying sasquatch pretty much
Speaker 2: since the Patterson gimblin age and the trying to think
Speaker 2: of what it's called. The when they first started discovering
Speaker 2: the Jerry Crwe area pre nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Seven, yeah, fifty eight, around the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah fifty eight. They've been studying them since then, documenting
Speaker 2: their behaviors, their mannerisms and stuff like that, and we
Speaker 2: really haven't what would you say, fifteen years into this
Speaker 2: dog man.
Speaker 1: Thing, I'd say that's proudly generous. Yeah, yeah, fifteen, I
Speaker 1: could go with fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: That's as wild stuff, man.
Speaker 2: It really is. So we've got some ketchup to do.
Speaker 2: We're starting to figure a few things out. One of
Speaker 2: the things that I've come to the conclusion is that
Speaker 2: a lot of the behaviors that we get out of Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: I think the dog men are doing the same thing,
Speaker 2: rock throwing and pacing people out of an area, stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I think these are both dog man and
Speaker 2: Sasquatch behavior. And I think personally, I think that there's
Speaker 2: a chance that there's a lot of bigfoot reports that
Speaker 2: were actually dog man reports, possibly even vice versa. It's
Speaker 2: hard to say on that, and that's just speculation on
Speaker 2: my part. But if they're doing the same things and
Speaker 2: they're in the same areas unless you get I'd say
Speaker 2: a lot of the class bees are miss could possibly
Speaker 2: be wrong. It's tough to say. One thing. I'll say though,
Speaker 2: about dog men it seems like they're much more cautious
Speaker 2: about leaving footprints than Bigfoot. I do believe that bigfoot
Speaker 2: is very cautious about leaving footprints, but I think that
Speaker 2: dogmen is even more. That may be because their population
Speaker 2: is less, but it could also be that maybe they're
Speaker 2: just a little bit more aware of their footprints. It's
Speaker 2: hard to say, but it's a really rare thing to
Speaker 2: run across a dog man print, a quality one. I
Speaker 2: run into what I consider sasquatch prints on a semi
Speaker 2: regular basis, but I'm learning where to look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hear a lot about solid dog man tracks,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But I do have a question from
Speaker 1: one of the Patreon members, so I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I think now would be a good time.
Speaker 1: So Leslie wants to ask, can you tell us about
Speaker 1: what you feel is your most memorable investigation from over
Speaker 1: the years.
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, man, I've gone out and I've talked to
Speaker 2: a lot of people and as far as trying to
Speaker 2: put which one is. And man, I've talked to some
Speaker 2: pretty interesting eyewitnesses, but probably the one that I say
Speaker 2: is most memorable to me was I have this friend,
Speaker 2: his name is Chuck Slabs. He's also a bigfoot investigator,
Speaker 2: and he had a bigfoot encounter close actually close to
Speaker 2: cress And Oklahoma as well. And I called him up
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, I'd like to take you out
Speaker 2: to that location and do an interview. So we did.
Speaker 2: We drove out there and we did an interview with
Speaker 2: my buddy Jeff Hatfield, and I had Jeff go stand
Speaker 2: in the tree line where the bigfoot was and I
Speaker 2: had Chuck tell his story about what happened to him
Speaker 2: that night. I did a video line. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: But anyway, as we're buttoning up and fixing to leave,
Speaker 2: the pumper comes pulling in. And the guy that is
Speaker 2: pulling in is the guy that now has the job
Speaker 2: that Chuck used to have. Chuck used to be the
Speaker 2: pumper for that well, but this new guy, he's the
Speaker 2: one that's doing it now. We never met this guy ever,
Speaker 2: and he comes pulling in and I thought he was
Speaker 2: probably going to get mad and tell us to get
Speaker 2: off location or something, but he didn't. He was being
Speaker 2: real friendly, so I just point blank asking. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: has anything weird ever happened to you out here or
Speaker 2: anywhere else? And he got this funny look on his
Speaker 2: face and he goes, I did have something really weird
Speaker 2: happen out here last February. And I was like, really,
Speaker 2: what was that? And he basically described something similar to
Speaker 2: what Chuck experienced. And the weird thing is, without having
Speaker 2: any knowledge of this, he pointed to the spot where
Speaker 2: Chuck had seen had his encounter and he said something
Speaker 2: was over there throwing rocks at me at night. And
Speaker 2: I was just like, whoa, it's so crazy. And he
Speaker 2: let us record him telling his story, and so I
Speaker 2: incorporated that into the video. But it was so awesome.
Speaker 2: I've never gone out to do an interview with an
Speaker 2: eyewitness and then had somebody else come up and say randomly, yeah,
Speaker 2: I pretty much had something very similar happened in this
Speaker 2: exact same spot too. That was just my brain was
Speaker 2: about to explode on that one. But I would say
Speaker 2: that was probably one of the coolest ones I've done,
Speaker 2: but I've done several of them. Not all of them
Speaker 2: people would allow me to put on camera, But I
Speaker 2: do love going out and talking to eyewitnesses, especially on
Speaker 2: location where it actually happened. It's a lot of it's
Speaker 2: a lot of fun, and sometimes people need to tell
Speaker 2: their story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, I think it's therapeutic for the person
Speaker 1: that needs to tell their story. A lot of these
Speaker 1: guys haven't talked about it, maybe for fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's also helpful for the people that are
Speaker 1: watching your videos on can help them work through stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's how it goes with the podcast as well.
Speaker 1: About Southeast to Oklahoma, is it over hyped or is
Speaker 1: everything that we hear actually happening down there from your
Speaker 1: experience always happening? Okay, so.
Speaker 2: Yes, Southeast Oklahoma does have a higher population, especially if
Speaker 2: sasquatch down there. It is true there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff going on. We've got an area down there that
Speaker 2: we go to that we call Zana Do and almost
Speaker 2: every time that we go down there, we have some
Speaker 2: kind of crazy activity and something always weird happens down there.
Speaker 2: This last time we went over there over spring break
Speaker 2: and we really didn't have We found some interesting evidence,
Speaker 2: but we didn't have any encounters or something had come
Speaker 2: into camp or something like that. That was probably the
Speaker 2: first time that we really didn't have anything actually come
Speaker 2: into camp or do something. That was heartbreaker because that
Speaker 2: place has a lot of hyat built up for we
Speaker 2: call it Xana Do. But now, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on over there. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: reports that come out of southeastern Oklahoma. A lot of
Speaker 2: people don't realize this, but the population of Lafleur, mccurt
Speaker 2: and Pushmataha counties are pretty high, and so not only
Speaker 2: do you have a larger population of the Sasquatch people
Speaker 2: down there, you've also got more human people there to
Speaker 2: interact with them. So by nature, you're going to get
Speaker 2: more reports because there's more people there. So it makes
Speaker 2: good sense. But I do believe there's a lot of
Speaker 2: activity and it's all over. If it's close to a
Speaker 2: water source, they're pretty much there. Just some people are
Speaker 2: very unobservant and some people are observant. And I think
Speaker 2: that the people who are unobservant are usually the lucky
Speaker 2: ones because it's a lot easy. It's a lot easier
Speaker 2: to remain in the dark when it comes to this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Why did you choose to call it Xana Do?
Speaker 2: I didn't. It was Mike A. Doones On, one of
Speaker 2: the guys on my team. He called it Xana Do,
Speaker 2: and I think he called it. I think Xana Do.
Speaker 2: There is a movie about someplace called Xanadu years ago
Speaker 2: and that I think the term xanad means a place
Speaker 2: of tranquility and mystery and stuff like that. And being
Speaker 2: from northwest Oklahoma, you get down in that area where
Speaker 2: you've got all these really tall lob lolly pines and
Speaker 2: everything is different, and you've got all that nice clear
Speaker 2: blue flowing water and all these great swimming holes and everything.
Speaker 2: It is a really beautiful area and it just it is.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a wonderful place to go. And I
Speaker 2: think that was where he was going for Zana Do.
Speaker 2: We just call it that because we don't want to
Speaker 2: advertise where the location is that we're actually doing our research.
Speaker 2: We found that there are some mischievous people out here
Speaker 2: in this area that if they find out where you're
Speaker 2: actually doing research, they'll go out and they'll put out
Speaker 2: fake footprints for you to find so you'll look like
Speaker 2: a fool. Stupid stuff like that, and I don't have
Speaker 2: time for that. So we just keep our we keep
Speaker 2: our little secrets, I guess you could say. And I
Speaker 2: don't like being misleading or disingenuous, but if we're going
Speaker 2: to have if we're going to maintain a certain purity
Speaker 2: level for our areas that we're doing actual research in,
Speaker 2: we need to keep it a little bit nush, because
Speaker 2: all we need if a whole bunch. If a bunch
Speaker 2: of people know that you're down in a certain area
Speaker 2: and you're doing research, it's just a matter of time
Speaker 2: before they're sitting around drinking beer and they're getting a
Speaker 2: little tipsy and they're like, Hey, I got a great idea,
Speaker 2: and then here they come. So I'm trying to avoid that.
Speaker 1: That's a great call. I actually have never thought of
Speaker 1: that before, but now that you bring it up, I
Speaker 1: could easily see that happening, especially with some other places
Speaker 1: down in that quadrant of the state. Yeah, no question,
Speaker 1: that could happen.
Speaker 2: People that don't take this stuff seriously. They try to
Speaker 2: make a mockery of it, and they think it is
Speaker 2: a laughing matter. And I can think of about four
Speaker 2: or five people that I know from my personal life
Speaker 2: that man, I would really love for them to have
Speaker 2: a close up encounter, and preferably one of the soiled
Speaker 2: breeches variety, because that would they deserve that. But no,
Speaker 2: there's just I don't know, you know, is people are
Speaker 2: just people and they come in off flavors and you
Speaker 2: can't hate a just but but you can limit how
Speaker 2: much information you give out.
Speaker 1: And so that's what exactly big for society will be.
Speaker 1: Right back after these messages, have you, yourself or anyone
Speaker 1: in your group been able to have has there been
Speaker 1: a visual sighting in that area at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, A couple of years ago, Jeff Hatfield, Well,
Speaker 2: we were sitting around the campfire and Jeff saw something
Speaker 2: big and black and hairy and moving at a distance
Speaker 2: down in a valley, and it rattled him. He jumped
Speaker 2: up out of his camp chair like he had a
Speaker 2: spring underneath him, like a jack in the box. I
Speaker 2: immediately knew that something serious was happening. I could tell
Speaker 2: by the look on his face. So could my brother,
Speaker 2: and week sprang into action. I started trying to video
Speaker 2: and didn't get anything on video because it was already gone.
Speaker 2: But there was a good fifteen twenty seconds and Jeff
Speaker 2: couldn't even get out what he was just pointing. He
Speaker 2: was the shock of seeing it, but he didn't get
Speaker 2: a good look at it, and it was like one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards away. But he said it was
Speaker 2: just too big to just be like a little black bear,
Speaker 2: because down here we have bears. They're a little bitty.
Speaker 2: I know, you could almost swat one. Most of them
Speaker 2: run from you. But they said it was much bigger.
Speaker 2: We've had him come into camp on a couple of
Speaker 2: occasions and get per pretty close. My first night out
Speaker 2: there at that location, they I was sleeping in a
Speaker 2: hammock with a tarp over it, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: we had two juveniles come into camp and they were
Speaker 2: snooping around and one of them started creeping up on
Speaker 2: me in my tent, in my hammock with the tarp
Speaker 2: over it, and I was awake, and it scared the
Speaker 2: living crap out of me, and it was very humbling.
Speaker 2: But that was the fastest I ever came out of
Speaker 2: my hammock. I set the fat Boy Land speed record
Speaker 2: for ejecting out of a hammock, because you can't get
Speaker 2: out of a hammock gracefully. In case you didn't know,
Speaker 2: let alone when you're as big as I am. So
Speaker 2: that was a crazy night. I would love to relive
Speaker 2: that night again. I wish i'd had a recorder, you
Speaker 2: know how that.
Speaker 1: Goes absolutely in that same area. Did you, guys ever
Speaker 1: hear any sounds that would not usually belong in an
Speaker 1: area like that or anything that would puzzle you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard the tree knox, which are, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, down that area. They're not unusual. I
Speaker 2: usually get tree knocks on the audio recorders almost every
Speaker 2: time I go down there. We've heard the what people
Speaker 2: describe as the mechanical bird noises. That was one of
Speaker 2: the creepiest things I ever heard. I've only heard that
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and that was when we first
Speaker 2: started going down there, and that was just weird. I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure I can even do it justice day
Speaker 2: try to explain what it sounded like, but the term
Speaker 2: mechanical bird is about as close as you're going to get.
Speaker 2: I imagine like a robot bird or something that just
Speaker 2: wasn't even sounding right, but sounded mechanical. That's what it
Speaker 2: sounded like. I've heard a lot of weird vocalizations. Those
Speaker 2: the two juveniles that came in that one night on me.
Speaker 2: They were making the mouth popping noises where they I'm
Speaker 2: assuming they're doing that thing with their mouth, but it
Speaker 2: was really loud they were doing that. I would say
Speaker 2: every five or ten minutes, they would make that mouth
Speaker 2: popping noise and it was really loud, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what actually woke me up, was the mouth popping noise.
Speaker 2: And about the time, about forty five minutes before the
Speaker 2: sun came up, and these two juveniles were tinkering around
Speaker 2: the camp getting into stuff. I'm assuming the parent from
Speaker 2: up the hill was calling them, and it made this
Speaker 2: really loud, deep, you know, booh vocalization, and at that
Speaker 2: point both of them left and started walking towards that vocalization.
Speaker 2: And so I always assume that that was mom or
Speaker 2: dad or something, but it's hard to tell. But whatever
Speaker 2: it was definitely had authority and it had a very
Speaker 2: deep voice, and they responded instantaneously. It was at that
Speaker 2: point I think that I figured out that I was
Speaker 2: probably dealing them with juveniles. So that was pretty That
Speaker 2: was a fun night, But yeah, you'll hear a lot
Speaker 2: of things. Never heard any kind of Ohio howls or
Speaker 2: whatever out there. I don't think there is vocal in
Speaker 2: Oklahoma as what they are in other places. They will
Speaker 2: do howls and stuff like that, but it's not common
Speaker 2: to catch one on audio recorder. But one of these days,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a good one one of these days.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of vocalizations and sounds that
Speaker 2: go along with them. Like last weekend when we were
Speaker 2: down there over spring break, we had something just outside
Speaker 2: of Camp grunt at us twice and we ended up
Speaker 2: getting out of or out from underneath the tar because
Speaker 2: it was raining and we had We went out and
Speaker 2: was looking around trying to figure out what it was.
Speaker 2: But whatever it was, it vanished or whatever went to
Speaker 2: ground or something. But we never did figure out what
Speaker 2: it was. But it spoke to me pretty again because
Speaker 2: it was pretty loud, pretty deep.
Speaker 1: I have a few areas that I would want to
Speaker 1: bring up just to see if it makes anything. You
Speaker 1: remember anything, or you've had any interaction with that area.
Speaker 1: You can say, I guess we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: If you need to say no comment, then that's fine.
Speaker 1: But there's an area that I've Yeah, there's an area
Speaker 1: that I've started to get a lot of reports from
Speaker 1: and it's on the border the Lake Texoma area, and
Speaker 1: I guess that's a massive area. Have you ever gotten
Speaker 1: any weird stuff from the Lake Texoma area of Oklahoma
Speaker 1: and Texas?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Okay. There's a lot of reports
Speaker 2: that come out of the Lake Texoma area bigfoot and
Speaker 2: dog man. And as a matter of fact, I consider
Speaker 2: that Lake Texoma Brown Springs area to be a dog
Speaker 2: man hot spot because there's just a lot of dog
Speaker 2: man reports that come out of that area. That place
Speaker 2: has got a creepy feeling when you get out. I
Speaker 2: know for a fact that there's more going on there
Speaker 2: than just cryptid stuff. I know it's a hot spot
Speaker 2: for paranormal investigators too, the ghost hunters and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I am not a ghost hunter, but because my personal
Speaker 2: belief and I just don't have time, so I don't
Speaker 2: even now. A man can only have so much free time,
Speaker 2: and this bigfoot, encryptid thing, there's days I feel like
Speaker 2: I've been off more than I can chew. And the
Speaker 2: last thing I'm going to do is decide that I'm
Speaker 2: going to take on and start chasing aliens and ghosts.
Speaker 2: I just know, I just don't have time. I'm not
Speaker 2: dismissing or anything or throwing rocks at that genre. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying I just don't have time to deal with it.
Speaker 2: But I am aware of the fact that they do
Speaker 2: go out there on a regular basis, and they do
Speaker 2: have a lot of encounters. And sometimes these ghost hunters
Speaker 2: go out there and have encounters with cryptids, and I
Speaker 2: think a lot of ghosts that are reported are actually cryptids,
Speaker 2: but I really don't have any data to back that up.
Speaker 2: It's just a high apothesis, especially when you're talking about
Speaker 2: white creatures, because I think a lot of cryptids. There's
Speaker 2: more white cryptids out there than people realize. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: brown spring variant is pretty crazy. I've only been out
Speaker 2: there twice, but my team has actually been discussing going
Speaker 2: back down there again and doing a better, more thorough
Speaker 2: investigation than what we've done in the past.
Speaker 1: So a lot of weird stuff from Lake Texoma, as
Speaker 1: you also mentioned, and specifically besides Bigfoot ind dog Man,
Speaker 1: and some people think this is total hodquash, but I've
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of reports about it from the area.
Speaker 1: Is you've got like the pale crawler type whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm getting a ton of stuff from the Lake Texo,
Speaker 1: even from guys that are working the train that goes
Speaker 1: across Lake Texoma. They're like, we looked out, we saw
Speaker 1: something weird on the tracks. It was white and it
Speaker 1: was like skinny and it didn't make sense. Yeah, so dude,
Speaker 1: there's something going on in that area, no question. So
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure what to how to classify what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. But I've gotten some reports that are
Speaker 2: similar to that as well. And yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to how to classify that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people put the rubber stamp skin walker
Speaker 2: on it, but it's not really a skin walker. I
Speaker 2: don't really know what to call it, but it's something different.
Speaker 2: I had a guy reach out from Tulsa. There's Tulsa
Speaker 2: and he had this thing shape shift in front of him.
Speaker 2: Not in front of him, but it was in his backyard.
Speaker 2: Him and his wife both saw it and they basically
Speaker 2: they it was like one o'clock in the morning. It
Speaker 2: was like a Saturday night and they'd been up and
Speaker 2: they had some friends over and they could hear like
Speaker 2: the cops were chasing somebody down the street or something.
Speaker 2: So they go out front, and whatever it was, it
Speaker 2: gone around the corner and gone back behind the house,
Speaker 2: because they lived on a corner lot, And so they
Speaker 2: went in their backyard and walked out on the back
Speaker 2: porch to see if they could see anything that direction.
Speaker 2: And when they did, they saw something that just looked
Speaker 2: like this pale, white, hairless, horrifying looking creature with black eyes,
Speaker 2: and it ran behind their storage shed in their backyard,
Speaker 2: and I got they were Him and his wife were
Speaker 2: both pretty freaked out, and they said that they just
Speaker 2: sat there for a minute, and they started easing back
Speaker 2: towards the house, towards the door, and whatever it was
Speaker 2: ape shifted or something, and it came out from the
Speaker 2: other side of the story shed, and it was a
Speaker 2: homeless dude that was just dressed all in rowdy clothes.
Speaker 2: And I guess the homeless dude just looked at him
Speaker 2: and smiled and walked over there and opened their gate
Speaker 2: and went out in the front yard and disappeared. And
Speaker 2: they were just sudden, Yeah, no, I'll take big foot
Speaker 2: any day. No. Yeah, And there's yet there was another
Speaker 2: lady that this was in now that was about two
Speaker 2: years ago. About four months ago, I had a lady
Speaker 2: reach out to me, and she had an encounter on
Speaker 2: what is called the Northwest Expressway in Oklahoma City. And
Speaker 2: if you keep going out past what people around here
Speaker 2: would know is Piedmont Road, and you take that road
Speaker 2: and you just keep going like you're going to Okarchie.
Speaker 2: Right there where Hi eighty one ties in, she ran
Speaker 2: into one there at that corner, and she said, at
Speaker 2: first it looked like a naked white guy, no shoes,
Speaker 2: no nothing, bug naked, and he was running at an
Speaker 2: incredibly high rate of speed and like he was keeping
Speaker 2: up with her car. And then he started shape shifting
Speaker 2: into something else that had a longer muzzle. I guess
Speaker 2: she could say, and claws, And of course I guess
Speaker 2: she decided to get out of there. The most interesting
Speaker 2: part of her story is, in my opinion, is not
Speaker 2: the actual encounter. Apparently she was hesitant to call me.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, she reached out to me
Speaker 2: using an alien She actually went to the point of
Speaker 2: creating an alias so that she could reach out to
Speaker 2: me because she is a business owner there in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City and she didn't want it to affect her business.
Speaker 2: So to make a long story short and to condense
Speaker 2: it down, she felt obligated to turn this into the police,
Speaker 2: even though she didn't want to. So she calls the
Speaker 2: police department, and the police department that she reached out
Speaker 2: to was the Canadian County Sheriff's department, and she called
Speaker 2: got the dispatcher. Dispatcher answers the phone. She starts in
Speaker 2: telling her like, I know you guys are going to
Speaker 2: believe this, but this is what I saw. And the dispatcher,
Speaker 2: she said, I could tell. She put her hand over
Speaker 2: the phone and she said to one somebody else that
Speaker 2: was over there, she said, hey, we've got another one
Speaker 2: over here. And I can't imagine. And that must have
Speaker 2: been insane to hear a police dispatcher say something like
Speaker 2: that there's two of them or there's more of them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I believe that the police department
Speaker 2: probably does have a legitimate reason for keeping some of
Speaker 2: this stuffish.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to. Their job is to keep us feeling safe, right,
Speaker 2: and even if it's in ignorance, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't blame them for it. But wow, what do you
Speaker 2: make of that?
Speaker 1: Well, that's wild. I don't know, and I was hoping
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have stories like that, But here we are.
Speaker 1: You as well have gotten some counts like that, and
Speaker 1: that makes me think even more that there could be
Speaker 1: something going on. You mentioned Brown Springs by yourself, that
Speaker 1: was one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I go there occasionally at least once or
Speaker 2: twice a year, so there's it's still an active area
Speaker 2: even though the siege is long gone. I think that
Speaker 2: happened in what twenty ten or something, I.
Speaker 1: Want to say, January two thousand and one around there
Speaker 1: was it so even longer back?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in twenty four years? Yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 2: It would have been yeah. Crazy. I can't imagine living
Speaker 2: through that ordeal. The interesting thing about the siege of
Speaker 2: Hanabi is that there's four different stories depending on who
Speaker 2: you ask. When you talk to locals that are down
Speaker 2: from around there. The family that had actually happened to
Speaker 2: they're done talking about it. The bigfit can unity and
Speaker 2: the general public acted and treated them, probably poorly, and
Speaker 2: they don't want to They don't even want to talk
Speaker 2: about it anymore. And you're not going to get them
Speaker 2: to talk about it. But depending on which one of
Speaker 2: the four stories you get and it comes out of
Speaker 2: that area. The one thing that is universally constant and
Speaker 2: that everybody agrees on is the fact that they were
Speaker 2: being basically, I wouldn't say attacked, but these Sasquatch people
Speaker 2: were trying to get into their house and one of
Speaker 2: the brothers shot one and killed one. Nobody even denies it.
Speaker 2: There's nobody on the team. There was no bigfoot attack
Speaker 2: at Hanabby. There's nobody even saying that. It's just the
Speaker 2: Everybody in that area is in agreement that all that
Speaker 2: stuff happened. And it's amazing to me because usually you've
Speaker 2: got this whole section of people over here that are like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're full of crap, or they're a bunch of alcoholics
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know what I'm saying. There's nobody in
Speaker 2: that area denies that it happened. Everybody knows that it happened.
Speaker 2: This is crazy, and some people were mad at because
Speaker 2: they shot them, and some people thought it was justified.
Speaker 2: But nobody in that area denies that it happened. Everybody
Speaker 2: knows it happened.
Speaker 1: Talking about the whole Nubby area, the locals there.
Speaker 2: Everybody, well, everybody knows it happened. So that was a
Speaker 2: real deal. So pretty crazy deal. It's sad that one
Speaker 2: of the best watch people had to lose their lives, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just and then there's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: If there's four versions, who knows what version if the
Speaker 1: version you heard is the true the real one speaking
Speaker 1: to myself, but it's just yeah, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if we'll ever know. I guess us what the correct
Speaker 1: one is if the people who actually experienced it aren't talking.
Speaker 1: But we'll leave that as it is. But I did
Speaker 1: contact the Country store down there. I had a nice
Speaker 1: chat with the owner. She was Yeah, she was nice.
Speaker 1: She was nice.
Speaker 2: So she was a nice lady. They got really good
Speaker 2: food there too, thank Friday. Oh really, they have catfish
Speaker 2: and their breakfast and cheeseburgers are the mom So.
Speaker 1: One of my one of my bucket list items is
Speaker 1: to get to one of the get to a festival
Speaker 1: conference in Oklahoma someday. I think that would be pretty
Speaker 1: cool weekend experience. I know it. That's what I hear.
Speaker 2: There's another one coming up at the end of May
Speaker 2: that's going to be in Tallahena, Oklahoma. That's really what
Speaker 2: is that's a month and a half away. It's it's
Speaker 2: actually in the town of Tallaheena. So they will have
Speaker 2: amenities and whatnot, but they're having a bunch of guests, speakers,
Speaker 2: and there'll be a few vendors there. But it's it's
Speaker 2: less of a lot of these bigfoot things are like
Speaker 2: a festival, right, there's a little bit less of a festival,
Speaker 2: more of having actual guest speakers, and it's more about
Speaker 2: the research and stuff like that than it really is
Speaker 2: about the about the i don't know what you call it,
Speaker 2: the funnel cakes and the widgets. So not that I'm
Speaker 2: putting all that stuff down, because you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: sucker for that kind of stuff too, but right, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, me too. Yeah that both of those
Speaker 1: actually sound great. But the least locale I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you about, just because it's come up a
Speaker 1: few times in interviews. I've done the McGee Creek area.
Speaker 1: Oh that one you've ever heard of.
Speaker 2: I've never been there. I'll tell you what I do
Speaker 2: know about it. A lot of people have had encounters
Speaker 2: up there. And another thing that I find. That's very
Speaker 2: odd about that place is for you to actually go
Speaker 2: on to that location, you have to buy a special
Speaker 2: permit from the State of Oklahoma to get in there.
Speaker 2: You can't just yeah, it's and forgive me if I'm
Speaker 2: getting this wrong. People, that place like a wildlife management area.
Speaker 2: We've got those all over the state of Oklahoma. You
Speaker 2: do not need a hunting license, you do not need
Speaker 2: a fishing license. You can just go out there and
Speaker 2: walk around and do this stuff. And I know of
Speaker 2: two places in Oklahoma that you have to have a
Speaker 2: special permit just to go to the place, or maybe
Speaker 2: you have to have a fishing license or something. But
Speaker 2: it's one is mcgree Creek and the other one is
Speaker 2: Three Rivers, WMA, which is real close to han Alby.
Speaker 2: But yeah, those few places have a special some kind
Speaker 2: of special designation within the Wildlife Department for that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. That's one of those places that McGee Creek
Speaker 2: is a place that I haven't been to yet, but
Speaker 2: I just it's one of those things. I've got all
Speaker 2: these other places that I've been going to on a
Speaker 2: regular basis that are producing evidence and I just haven't
Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't. Sometimes you've got to condense.
Speaker 2: And if you just go to all these different spots
Speaker 2: and just bounce around, you'll get less actual evidence and
Speaker 2: you won't get to know the areas as well as
Speaker 2: if you pick three locations that you know hasen cryptid
Speaker 2: activity and if you just pound the ground with those
Speaker 2: and just keep going on a regular basis. And when
Speaker 2: you do that, it helps keep and even maybe the Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: you get to know you better and maybe even begin
Speaker 2: to feel more comfortable with its possibility. McGee Creek is
Speaker 2: on one of my lists of places that I would
Speaker 2: like to go, but we've got possibly better places that
Speaker 2: are closer and McGee Creek is They are there, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put McGee Creek in the I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe in the top ten, but it would definitely be
Speaker 2: on the lower end locations. But it is weird that
Speaker 2: it has that special designation.
Speaker 1: Have you heard a account or story over the years
Speaker 1: if it had happened to you, you would not be
Speaker 1: going to that area. You'd stay clear out of it.
Speaker 2: Ninety five percent of all of the crypto encounters that happen,
Speaker 2: they are what I consider to be benevolent encounters. A
Speaker 2: lot of people will say it was violent or roared
Speaker 2: at me, or it was hostile, or it was aggressive.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about a creature that's as big and
Speaker 2: as fast as powerful as them, if they wanted to
Speaker 2: get you there that got you. I can't really, there's
Speaker 2: not been There's only a handful of encounters where people
Speaker 2: actually got hurt from these things. Ninety nine percent of
Speaker 2: all bigfoot and dog man encounters are basically benevolent. If
Speaker 2: they roar at you, they just want you to leave.
Speaker 2: I can't think of any that I think would have
Speaker 2: scared me to my core. Probably one of the scariest
Speaker 2: ones that I think probably would have come real close
Speaker 2: to shaking me to my core would be like Caitanya
Speaker 2: cordex encounter where she's hiking down a trail and she
Speaker 2: turns around and looks you hear something behind her, turns
Speaker 2: around and looks and there's a giant male bigfoot standing
Speaker 2: there staring at her like in close proximity, and that
Speaker 2: scared the bejeebers out of her. And I think that
Speaker 2: would probably be like the scariest thing ever to just
Speaker 2: be a not a knower, just you don't even have
Speaker 2: a clue and then you turn around and there it is.
Speaker 2: I think that's the shock of it all and having
Speaker 2: your world cave in around you. That would be probably,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, the most traumatic thing that you could
Speaker 2: probably run into. People don't get bit by these things
Speaker 2: or punched or clawed or anything like that. You could
Speaker 2: argue that well to survive. The people that do don't
Speaker 2: live to tell that. Where's the evidence for that. We've
Speaker 2: got all these reports of people that bluff charged me
Speaker 2: or roared at me, But hey, yeah, you still made
Speaker 2: it to the car. So I don't really necessarily think
Speaker 2: that there is dangerous. They're capable of great violence, but
Speaker 2: I think they show some kind of restraint. I think
Speaker 2: something either common sense or some kind of spiritual barrier
Speaker 2: is keeping them from tearing us from limb to limb.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just maybe it's just good manners. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. It's hard to make a judgment
Speaker 2: call on that. Yeah, I think having just bumping into
Speaker 2: one would just be the scariest thing that you could
Speaker 2: possibly happen to you.
Speaker 1: Have you found that there's a certain a certain thing
Speaker 1: you can do that will lead into a higher likelihood
Speaker 1: of encountering a big foot or is it more just
Speaker 1: right time I'm the right place.
Speaker 2: I think ninety percent of it is just putting yourself
Speaker 2: in the right place. And if you want to know
Speaker 2: what the actual key to finding evidence or possibly even
Speaker 2: promoting an encounter, I would say, you're going to have
Speaker 2: to go camping. That's the thing. We got all these people,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to pick on them a little bit.
Speaker 2: We got all these trolls that sit around and they
Speaker 2: laugh at us and they make snine comments and stuff
Speaker 2: from their easy chair man. You're going to have if
Speaker 2: you're ever going to see anything, if you're ever going
Speaker 2: to do anything, you got to get out in the
Speaker 2: woods and you're going to have to get a take
Speaker 2: or two. And that's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 2: I have. I would say in the last five years,
Speaker 2: I've actually seen with my eyes two to Sasquatch. One
Speaker 2: wasn't a good view at all, but I could tell
Speaker 2: that's what I was looking at because it was so big,
Speaker 2: and I actually got that on film. But it's a joke.
Speaker 2: Nobody even wants to look at it. It's in one
Speaker 2: of my YouTube videos, but it's just I knew what
Speaker 2: it was, but my film footage ain't gonna it's not
Speaker 2: going to convince anybody. The other one, I saw a
Speaker 2: tree peaker leaning out looking at me from behind a tree.
Speaker 2: I had my cell phone in my hand, and I
Speaker 2: was so dumbstruck that I didn't even think to use it.
Speaker 2: So I've seen them twice in the last five years.
Speaker 2: And I would say that I go camping all weekend
Speaker 2: long at least twice a month, twice a month, so
Speaker 2: I'm in Yeah, I'm in the woods anyway, and that's
Speaker 2: not counting day trips. So I would be willing to
Speaker 2: bet you that I'm in the woods seven eight days
Speaker 2: a month, easy. And that's you know, like spring break,
Speaker 2: we were out there for five days straight over Christmas Break.
Speaker 2: I'm a school teacher my work hours. I'll spend a
Speaker 2: week in the woods over Christmas break. If I spend
Speaker 2: any more than that, my wife will kill me. During
Speaker 2: the summertime, I spend a lot of time in the
Speaker 2: woods as long as it's not ridiculously hot. You need
Speaker 2: the drill. But I'm out there probably more than just
Speaker 2: about anybody you've ever met. I spend a lot of time,
Speaker 2: and I've spent a ton of time in the woods
Speaker 2: my whole life. I was a Scout leader for years
Speaker 2: and years and that's what I've always done. And before
Speaker 2: I started doing this bigfoot thing, I was a hunter
Speaker 2: and I spend a lot of time in the woods,
Speaker 2: hunting deer and hunting coyotes and just hunting whatever whatever
Speaker 2: got me out in the woods. I've always loved to
Speaker 2: spend time in the woods. And if you want one
Speaker 2: thing that is going to help aid you, it's you're
Speaker 2: going to have to spend at least a week a
Speaker 2: month in the woods, and that's a good start.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Step two would probably be to choose your locations wisely.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I definitely agree with the second one for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about as solid as I can get.
Speaker 1: So I've had the opportunity to go out a few
Speaker 1: times in Iowa with some researchers. Have you found that
Speaker 1: you start having activity right away or is it always
Speaker 1: like for us it seems to be like the second
Speaker 1: the second night, or it's just it's weird. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to it. Maybe that's just coincidence, but.
Speaker 2: I think there may be something to what you're saying,
Speaker 2: because except for that one night when I had the
Speaker 2: two juveniles come in, that was the first night we
Speaker 2: got there, and I think we just bumbled into them.
Speaker 2: But from what I've noticed, it seems like the first
Speaker 2: night is almost always uneventful. Later on, though, that's when
Speaker 2: more stuff starts happening, and that's when you'll have encounters.
Speaker 2: A lot of times, it seems like the third night
Speaker 2: has to do. The second or third night is when
Speaker 2: things will usually happen. At that point, they're probably wondering
Speaker 2: when you're going to leave, and I don't know why
Speaker 2: that is, but there is possibly something to that. Most
Speaker 2: of the time, though, I would say ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the time, the first night is usually uneventful.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. You mentioned that you had seen a tree peaker.
Speaker 1: How far away from you was that and did you
Speaker 1: were you able to notice any details of culture?
Speaker 2: There wasn't any details. Really. My buddy Coleman and I
Speaker 2: we were walking in the rain, like being bats. We
Speaker 2: were out looking and searching in the rain, and we
Speaker 2: was just walking along this trail and something just told me,
Speaker 2: you need to turn around and look back the way
Speaker 2: that you came, and so I took about a half
Speaker 2: a step backwards and I looked back the way we came,
Speaker 2: and that's when I saw it. I saw this head
Speaker 2: leaning out from behind a tree, and it was it
Speaker 2: was oblong shape, which kind of made me think it
Speaker 2: kind of conical head, but it's hard to tell. But
Speaker 2: it's leaning out, it's looking and at first I was
Speaker 2: just like, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. I just
Speaker 2: took my breath away and I was like wow. And
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here thinking all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's really it. That's really it. I'm seeing one. It's
Speaker 2: right there, it's right there. And then the thought crossed
Speaker 2: my mind. It's like, man, I really I want Coleman
Speaker 2: to see this. I want Coleman to see this. So
Speaker 2: I was like, Coleman, come, I need you to come
Speaker 2: over here real quick. And Coleman comes over there and
Speaker 2: he's like, what's up. And I'm like, I need you
Speaker 2: to pretend like you're talking to me. But what you're
Speaker 2: going to do is you're going to look over my
Speaker 2: left shoulder and you're going to look just past my ear,
Speaker 2: but you're going to pretend like you're looking at me.
Speaker 2: And we're going to keep talking, like we're just chatting
Speaker 2: it up. He's like, Okay, I said, do you see
Speaker 2: those two big trees over there? And he goes yeah,
Speaker 2: And I go, do you see the head leaning out?
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I don't. Oh yeah, I see it.
Speaker 2: And you can just see his eyes open up a
Speaker 2: little bit and he's sitting here and he's looking at
Speaker 2: it too, and neither one of us are even thinking
Speaker 2: about our cell phones or anything. It's just like, wow,
Speaker 2: there it is. There's one really right there. And so
Speaker 2: we watched it for a few minutes, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just couldn't resist and I ended up turning around
Speaker 2: trying to look again, and that's when it disappeared. And
Speaker 2: I actually saw it pull back behind the tree once,
Speaker 2: and so I saw it move and that's what just
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my gosh. Anyway, it was
Speaker 2: so cool. It was just so cool getting to see it.
Speaker 2: But we ended up going back out there the next day,
Speaker 2: and so we went and we stood where we were
Speaker 2: and then my buddy Jeff goes over there and stands
Speaker 2: where this thing was behind this tree. And this is
Speaker 2: the part that freaked me out. We took a laser rangefinder,
Speaker 2: and we ranged it out. It one hundred and twenty yards,
Speaker 2: so it was like the length of a football field,
Speaker 2: and I still to this day, I don't think it
Speaker 2: was that far. But this thing was so tall. I
Speaker 2: could barely see Jeff over there. And when Jeff lifted
Speaker 2: his hand all way up in the air, it was
Speaker 2: barely up there where we could see it, which means
Speaker 2: this thing and Jeff is six foot tall, and this
Speaker 2: thing literally had to have been ten foot tall. It
Speaker 2: was a beast. It was massive. It was huge, and
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the reason why in my
Speaker 2: head I thought it was a lot closer than what
Speaker 2: it was. It was further away. It was just really big,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the fact that there was a
Speaker 2: little bit more distance to it than what I thought.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I couldn't get a whole lot
Speaker 2: of detail, you know what I mean. But still I
Speaker 2: just I don't know. It was I feel very fortunate
Speaker 2: to have actually gotten to see that, and that was
Speaker 2: really exciting. That actually happened at Hayburn Lake and there
Speaker 2: south west of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and that was probably about
Speaker 2: a year ago, And man, that was a thrill, say
Speaker 2: the least you live for stuff like that, So.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would respond to that, but
Speaker 1: hats off to you for being able to handle that
Speaker 1: so easily, and so your buddy was able to see
Speaker 1: it as well. That's pretty cool. Over the years, have
Speaker 1: you had the have you been able to talk to
Speaker 1: any I guess you would say law enforcement officials or
Speaker 1: forestry workers or whatever the equivalent is called down in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma about cryptids.
Speaker 2: Or It's interesting that I personally have not had any
Speaker 2: law enforcement friends or people that I know that are
Speaker 2: actually like knowers. I have met. I wouldn't call them
Speaker 2: my friends, but I've been introduced to two different individuals,
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to mention their names or what
Speaker 2: state parks they want, but both of them were State
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma Parks and Recreation rangers, and they were both knowers.
Speaker 2: One of them, he was a very nice guy. He
Speaker 2: saw my big foot sticker on my car, struck up
Speaker 2: a conversation, gave me his business card. He said that
Speaker 2: he knew that they existed, he'd seen him before, and
Speaker 2: he was just real open and friendly about it. But
Speaker 2: I know that that's probably unusual for that now for
Speaker 2: one of those guys to just talk to a stranger
Speaker 2: and tell them. But he was pretty confident. He said,
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that there's not any of
Speaker 2: these creatures at this state park. And the funny thing is,
Speaker 2: I've actually gotten reports from the state park that he
Speaker 2: was working at, and he was apparently not aware of them,
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to contradise him. And the other
Speaker 2: one was a fellow that I was introduced to who
Speaker 2: is a park ranger, and I was introduced to him
Speaker 2: via third party and he's a knower too, and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to tell his story or how he knows
Speaker 2: because there are a few people that know who he
Speaker 2: is and I think it's brought him some grief, so
Speaker 2: just to be professional and not bring them out. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I've met two of them who are knowers, but they're
Speaker 2: not really super talkative about it, and they definitely don't
Speaker 2: want to go public about it. But as far as
Speaker 2: like any law enforcement officers know. But on the flip side,
Speaker 2: the former head of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations,
Speaker 2: I believe his name is mister Pratt. He I can't
Speaker 2: remember his first name now. Many one time, he's a knower,
Speaker 2: and he was a very high ranking official within the
Speaker 2: state of Oklahoma. He was the head of the OSBI.
Speaker 2: That's basically I don't know n CIS or whatever the
Speaker 2: TV show is going right now. He was the head
Speaker 2: for the whole state. And he's a knower, very Henry
Speaker 2: Print I think it's his name. Super smart dude. There
Speaker 2: are people within the state that hold those positions that
Speaker 2: they're knowers, but they don't talk about it as much.
Speaker 2: It usually just brings you nothing but grief when you
Speaker 2: come out of the closet, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, is that Harvey Prett Harvey, Yes, because that's the
Speaker 1: guy who did the tryings in David Poladi's book, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's the same dude.
Speaker 2: He's that's int Oh yeah, he's probably the I don't know,
Speaker 2: most famous law enforcement person that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 2: That's a knower, And I think that's enough. He's about
Speaker 2: as far up there as you can go. He was
Speaker 2: a big dog before he retired, and he's a very
Speaker 2: friendly man. So place he impressed me. But anyway, I
Speaker 2: don't I'm sure there's others. I'm sure there are. It's
Speaker 2: just who do you. You know, they're not coming out
Speaker 2: and talking. You've got that phenomenon. They just don't talk.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's tight lipped anyway, And it's just the stigma. It's
Speaker 2: the stigma that surrounds it. These people, these law enforcement individuals,
Speaker 2: their judgment is everything for them because if they're crazy
Speaker 2: or deemed incompetent, I mean that their testimony is worthless,
Speaker 2: and their testimony is true probably their most important thing.
Speaker 2: So they have to maintain that higher level of integrity,
Speaker 2: and they probably guard it much more protected than most people,
Speaker 2: your average Joe would.
Speaker 1: Absolutely There's one last question that I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: You're an absolute wealth and knowledge and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: There's another location I had just reminded myself of and
Speaker 1: just because I've gotten a lot of stuff from that
Speaker 1: area over the last few weeks. This is the Beaver's
Speaker 1: Bend area of Oklahoma. Yeah, and so here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like half the people are like, you're crazy because
Speaker 1: it's just a tourist area when I talk about it.
Speaker 1: But there's some other people that are like, Okay, it
Speaker 1: is weird there. So I'm curious, like what your take
Speaker 1: on it is. Is it just a tourist area or
Speaker 1: is there weird stuff that I actually happens there.
Speaker 2: My area is Anad is not far from there.
Speaker 1: Oh snap, well okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no. I mean, it's it really is a
Speaker 2: tourist trap. Now. When when I first started going down
Speaker 2: to Hanabi years ago, or not han Nabi, we called
Speaker 2: Huci town that that place was dead. There was nothing there.
Speaker 2: There was a filling station and a bank and a
Speaker 2: post office and a couple of other little stores. But
Speaker 2: now it's like exploding and it's turned into this tourist trap.
Speaker 2: And you've got all these rich urban bikers that ride
Speaker 2: out there, and and they ride out there and they're
Speaker 2: running around and it's quite the vacation. It's very pretty,
Speaker 2: it really is. And there's been a flood of people
Speaker 2: moving to the area. But you're right, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of encounters down there. I know that there was a
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what it is. I'm seeking more
Speaker 2: information on this case file, but I just received a
Speaker 2: story and it might have been from one of your yours.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it was. It came to me,
Speaker 2: but it was about that service technician at the restaurant
Speaker 2: over there that had a bigfoot staring at him while
Speaker 2: he was working on the roof or something. Was that
Speaker 2: you or was that another.
Speaker 1: I don't think it actually was. I've gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of skin, actually skin walker stuff from that areadly enough.
Speaker 2: I don't have any skin, but anyway, but yeah, there's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff that goes on in that area.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily like the Beaver's Bend area. I would
Speaker 2: say it's more like the Broken Bow Lake area, because
Speaker 2: Beaver's Been is the river where it comes out of
Speaker 2: Broken Bow Lake, and that area is just there is
Speaker 2: there's a lot of activity. It's draw big circle around
Speaker 2: the lake. Honestly, they're everywhere down southeastern Oklahoma. They really are.
Speaker 2: There's no area throw a dart at the map there.
Speaker 2: If there's a water source there there. I'd be hesitant
Speaker 2: to even try to guess how many of the Sasquatch
Speaker 2: people are actually living down in there. I think it's
Speaker 2: a lot more than more people realize. Man, you get
Speaker 2: down there in that Washington National Forest, it is huge.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely huge. The camp spot that we were camping
Speaker 2: at was thirteen miles back in from the closest blacktop
Speaker 2: road into the National Forest. Wow that we joke around,
Speaker 2: but we're serious. We always say whatever you don't get
Speaker 2: hurt out here, you'll believe out before we get to
Speaker 2: the Blacktop. It's no joke, but it's very serious. We're
Speaker 2: out there in the middle of nowhere. There is there's
Speaker 2: very few hospitals. There's just no civilization. There's vast areas
Speaker 2: where there's just no people living.
Speaker 1: Nothing big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: The habitat is there. The amount of wild hogs is
Speaker 2: down there in southeastern Oklahoma could feed a small army.
Speaker 2: It's just you'll see packs of wild hogs, of thirty
Speaker 2: forty fifty hogs in one pack running around down there.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh man, we're talking barbecue buffet. The volume
Speaker 2: of food that is available to them down there is massive.
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you right now, unless you've
Speaker 2: been down there in the National Forest and you've walked it,
Speaker 2: you can just get out or just drive it. You
Speaker 2: cannot possibly fathom how big that place is. I've been
Speaker 2: going down to that place now for ten years off
Speaker 2: and on, and I have not I've always joking around
Speaker 2: with my buddy Eric. This last time we drive by road.
Speaker 2: I like, I've never been down that road. I've never
Speaker 2: been down that road. I don't know what's down there.
Speaker 2: I've been going down there forever, not forever, but a
Speaker 2: long time, and there's just so much of it that
Speaker 2: I've never even seen, and it's just right there. I
Speaker 2: just a it's absolutely unfathomed. How big the Washington National
Speaker 2: Forest is. Now, Let's talk about the Jack Fork Mountains.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Winding Stair area. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the Three Rivers area, Let's talk about the Hanamby Wildlife
Speaker 2: Management Area. Is just it never ends down there. The
Speaker 2: Ozark National Forest, let's go north a little bit. There
Speaker 2: is city people do not have a clue how much
Speaker 2: real estate is down there and how unaccessible it is.
Speaker 2: We cannot get into some of these places. Literally. Wow,
Speaker 2: for a city person, just imagine this. You put Oklahoma City,
Speaker 2: the entire all the burbs, you put it all together,
Speaker 2: and take Tulsa and Broken Air though it all together
Speaker 2: in the Washtaw National Forest is at least ten or
Speaker 2: fifteen times bigger than that.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's nobody living out there.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's no wonder. Something can live out there
Speaker 1: like that, not.
Speaker 2: Just something a civilization of something. There could be a
Speaker 2: dinosaur roaming around down there, and I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's dinosaurs down there? Okay? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm dude. I've heard stories out of Canada, so I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, double check.
Speaker 2: Some terrosaurs or something.
Speaker 1: But there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole different category. But the point is,
Speaker 2: unless you've been down there and you've driven through it
Speaker 2: or walked it, you really just you cannot imagine how
Speaker 2: big those places are. And that's just Oklahoma. Let's go
Speaker 2: to Colorado and let's talk about the Rio Grande National Forest.
Speaker 2: You get lost over there, they'll never find you. Well,
Speaker 2: I'd never find you. No, it's just some of these places.
Speaker 2: It's if you broke down and you're going to die,
Speaker 2: It would take you a day to walk out of
Speaker 2: some of these places unless somebody just happened to pick
Speaker 2: you up. Yeah, And I don't think people really realize
Speaker 2: how remote some of these places can really be. And
Speaker 2: other than a rental cabin here or there, that an
Speaker 2: Airbnb rental cabin, there's no civilization out there. It's beautiful,
Speaker 2: it really is. And I think that's why they're out there.
Speaker 2: These forests are massive, and I think there's whole communities
Speaker 2: of these creatures living out there, and they're just doing
Speaker 2: what they want to do. And contrary to popular belief,
Speaker 2: I don't think they need our help. Nature don't need
Speaker 2: our government's help.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: No, I don't need my government's help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the government can stay away from Bigfoot for sure,
Speaker 1: although who knows, they probably have their hands.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably, they probably do. I mean, it
Speaker 2: would be stupid to think that the government is not
Speaker 2: aware of But yeah, maybe for once the government is
Speaker 2: smart enough to just leave them alone.
Speaker 1: That'd be great, that would be that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Brian, it has been so fun chatting with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Do you mind
Speaker 1: sharing how if you could take a minute or two
Speaker 1: to share the different ways that people can keep up
Speaker 1: to date with Red Dirt Cryptid investigations.
Speaker 2: Our primary hub, of course, is our Facebook page. That's
Speaker 2: where we post a bunch of stuff and people chat
Speaker 2: and people talk. So check us out on Facebook, follow
Speaker 2: us on YouTube. Of course. My YouTube videos are not
Speaker 2: faked at all. I just I take you guys with me.
Speaker 2: I film whenever we get out there, basically me and
Speaker 2: my guys out there in the woods actually looking for evidence.
Speaker 2: And that's really if you want to see our evidence,
Speaker 2: it's in our YouTube channel. Do try to that pretty seriously,
Speaker 2: although we do joke around a little bit. You have to,
Speaker 2: but on YouTube, We're on TikTok as well work on Instagram,
Speaker 2: but I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to that,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. There's a couple of other knickknack
Speaker 2: apps that we're on, but primarily TikTok, YouTube and Facebook.
Speaker 2: And if you'd like to get a hold of me,
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Speaker 2: I'm one of the admins and just hit me up
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Speaker 1: I hope some people that hear this. I have to
Speaker 1: have information about the areas Brian's been talking about. Can
Speaker 1: I always reach out to him directly and I'll have
Speaker 1: some links in the show notes. But thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. Brian. Having real puch of fun.
Speaker 1: I just I love sitting around talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's nice being able to talk about this and just
Speaker 1: have a good, positive atmosphere where people are willing to listen.
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