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Speaker 1: What a great song. That is Stockholm Syndrome. That's the song.

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The artist is Lyle Hutchins and we're gonna talk to

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Lyle in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: We have entered our number two New Marrow dose of

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Matt Connorton Unleashed. If you are listening live on Saturday

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July twenty six, twenty twenty five, we are broadcasting, of course,

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from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM

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and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Jenny is here as well

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at the news table and joining us to be a

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Microsoft teams He's been waiting patiently Lyle Hutchins is here.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me. Guys. Happy to be.

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Speaker 1: Here, absolutely no, thanks for your patience. We are running

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a little bit behind this morning, but it's great to

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talk with you. Don't worry though, we have plenty of time.

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I love that song.

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Speaker 2: That is great. I love your voice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely Now is that relatively new? That's your

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newest single?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: So yeah? I just on June twenty seventh, I just

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released my debut album and it's fourteen songs and that

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one we just released a music video for on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: So oh excellent.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so I've I've been. I just graduated from

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college in New Orleans, studying music and this is sort

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of my my big project is putting everything into so

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super happy for it to be out on the airwaves

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and everything.

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Speaker 1: So, oh, congratulations. Are you in New Orleans now?

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Speaker 3: No, I just moved back to New Hampshire. Actually, funny enough,

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I was in Manchester the other week, so.

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Speaker 4: Oh no kidding, Yeah, yeah, what what's what's the bigger

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culture shock moving to New Orleans the first time, or

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or coming coming back after after going to school there.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, I I don't know, probably moving to

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New Orleans for the first time. It's it's mostly the

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heat and getting used to how nice everyone is. People

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are nice here, but the I think the kind of

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trade mark New England bluntness, which personally I kind of like, like,

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you know, if you break down on the side of

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the road, somebody will help you, but they'll call you

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an idiot the whole time. But yeah, I think I

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think it's it's probably a bit of bolt Maybe I

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don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the heat that I mean, it's it's humid there too, right,

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it's not a dry heat in Les. Yeah yeah, never

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never actually been, I've never actually been.

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Speaker 3: But it's a great city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Now that you're back in New Hampshire, I mean, do

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you do you plan to sack ground up here or

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what's your what's kind of your next move?

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Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure at this point, but I'm probably

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gonna stick around to Hampshire for a while, especially since

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I've been playing these shows and music stuff's been going

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pretty well. So yeah, I'm kind of seeing seeing where

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things will go, but I'm enjoying being back up here

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right now for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about your name, because I was reading

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something about you online that your name is actually uh well,

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tell us about the name Lyle Hutchins and where it

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comes from because it has a specific derivation.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So my folks met in a like nineties alt

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country band and they were really inspired by people like

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Lyle love It. So that's where Lyle comes from. And

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actually got to meet Lyle love It my junior year

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of college. I got picked my college with a couple

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of other friends to go to Americana Fest in Nashville,

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and I got to meet him there and actually said, oh, yeah, like,

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I'm named after you, and he was, I'm so sorry.

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So it was really funny, but it turned out to

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be super nice guy. It was a very cool opportunity.

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But yeah, it was kind of a cool full circle

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moment for me personally. But yeah, that's where the name

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So your parents so they were in a

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band together in the nineties.

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Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, like a local It was called Selling Muicks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how long it lasted exactly, but yeah,

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that's uh. I get a lot of my musical influence

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from them and kind of the artists that they raised

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me listening to do.

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Speaker 1: Uh did they teach you how to play or and

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and to sing or or did you kind of learn

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that on your own?

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Speaker 3: So I yeah, I definitely My dad helped me with

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some very like basic guitar stuff when I was younger

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and getting kind of like accompanied me while I sort

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of sang my way through a couple of songs that

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I liked, but I didn't stick with it a ton.

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pretty young, So I did a lot of that, and

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lot of singing kind of the technique of it from that. Okay,

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But guitar wise, I wanted to learn guitar when I

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was younger, but my dad had watched an interview with

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Prince where Prince was talking about how artists should have,

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you know, creative control and should be able to understand

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things like music theory, and so he was kind of

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pointing out that you should learn the piano first. So

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I actually learned piano before I learned guitar, which I

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do actually credit with a lot of my music theory knowledge.

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And I only picked up guitar at the end of

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sophomore year in high school. Okay, so I've been playing

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for about six years. Like seriously, I think i'd fooled

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around on it before.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense to what you were saying about

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learning piano first, because this is a subject that comes

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up on the show every once in a while. I've

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heard a lot of a lot of you know, music

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instructors and various people say over the years that that

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is a really good way to go because even if

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you have no interest, you know, even just learning some

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very basic keyboarding skills, even if you have no interest

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in playing a keyboard, it really kind of trains your

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brain to, you know, in terms of how to think

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of chord structures and learning music theory. Sadly, I did

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not start that way. I wish that I had. I

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can't play keyboard at all. I'm a bass player and

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I can play a little bit of guitar. But but

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I've heard so many people say that it really the

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ideal thing is to start on keyboard and then go

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from there because once you have that, everything else is

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going to be easier to learn.

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Speaker 2: And it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that Prince had said that, but it

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completely makes sense because and obviously he must have been

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onto something because Prince was one of those people who

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could play anything.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, totally, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know he had.

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Speaker 1: I did hear him though. I heard him say in

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an interview once. So I think this was an interview

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that I read might have been in Rolling Stone, that

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people had a misperception of him that you know, he

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could just pick up any instrument and just know how

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to play it, that he was that much of a genius.

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was able to learn to play anything, but there was

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still a learning process and he could learn he could

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learn very quickly, probably because he had those skills of

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learning on piano first. He could learn very quickly, but

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but he still had to learn how to learn to

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play everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also read something about you that you like when

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you did a project in grade school and that was

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kind of like the beginning of your sort of almost

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an awakening of realizing that this is what you wanted

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to do.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. So I went to this very small.

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Speaker 3: I think I joined the school in sixth grade, and uh, yeah,

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it was. We had this thing called Olympics Studies. The

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school's Mount Shadows and it's near Dublin, Hahamshire anyways, Okay,

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but they they basically it was like I can't remember

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how long exactly. It probably felt longer than it actually

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was as a kid, but it was like two to

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four weeks out of the year. You would focus on

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one subject, like really intensely, and you could pick kind

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of what you wanted to focus on. And so in

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my eighth grade I was really interested in songwriting, and

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so I picked that and one of the people that

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worked at the school at the time is Duncan Pelletier,

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and he's a great musician and just a really nice guy,

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and he kind of took me to his apartment where

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he had like a little setup and we recorded some

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songs that I was writing, I think on the ukulele

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at that time, but and recorded like a little EP

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that I still have stored away somewhere on my computer.

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love the recording process, I love writing the songs, and

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I loved performing them. So it kind of just it

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this is really what I want to do. Yeah, So yeah,

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that was at that moment for me for sure.

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Speaker 2: Did you say that you were playing the ukulele, I was, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I still have the same one lying around somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you learned that before you learned guitar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think it was the it was the

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era of a lot of cringey white people on the

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internet playing like I looked back on and out it

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crumbs a little bit, but I think it was what

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was that song riptied by vance Joy? It was like

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a big thing in my when I was in eighth grade,

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and I think I had gotten euclid, and I think

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I just learned some like very because some of the

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like chords are just you just put one finger down

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or something, and so I didn't know exactly what I

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was doing, but I learned enough to be like, Okay,

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we made that was on piano as well. But yeah,

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that's where I started doing the more string instruments thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I assume, I mean, your parents must have

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been pretty supportive through all this, right as you're doing

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this as musicians themselves. I always say that's really important.

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If you have supportive parents, you know, who are gonna

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really help you kind of foster that and you know,

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and encourage you to keep going.

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Speaker 2: I think that makes a big difference.

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Speaker 3: Right, Definitely. I'm so grateful for them. They've been really supportive,

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like every step of the way, sometimes more supportive than

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I've been myself. But yeah, I'm really lucky to have

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them and just I think getting yeah, like the older

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perspective of someone who's actually been a musician and been

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in a band is great. Yeah, And just growing up

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with that like musical influence and a lot of the

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people they were listening to was pretty awesome too.

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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah, that's interesting what you said. A

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sometimes they may have pushed you more.

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Speaker 1: Than you you know, or encouraged you more than you

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were able to yourself. Were there were there times when

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when you were getting discouraged, but they you know, they

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they obviously you know, obviously they believe in you. There

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your parents, right, But were they were they kind of

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uh sort of helping to push you along at times

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where maybe you, I don't know, maybe you were discouraged

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or maybe you were losing interest. You know, sometimes as

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we're growing up, sometimes our priorities change. I mean, what

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what do you mean, like expand on that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's funny because they I definitely

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but I had an inclination. I just knew I liked it. Yeah,

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but I think they never really wanted to. They didn't

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want to be those parents that were like, you know,

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trying to make a prodigy prodigy out of their kid,

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and and so I think they were they they would

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kind of like gently nudge me in a direction. But

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you know, it's funny. I think I definitely there were

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felt discouraged or because I didn't. I'm still quite bad

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at reading. I mean, I can read a churt Yard

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pretty well, but when it comes to standard notation, reading

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a melody and everything, especially guitar wise, I'm so slow.

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wanted to prioritize career wise, I put less time into it.

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But I you know, going to music school, especially where

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one of my favorite artists, Saint Vincent, she read a

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quote from her where she said she went to Berkeley,

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and she was talking about kind of musical athleticism, like

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the sort of competition that I can play this scale

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the fastest I can, like technical proficiency and instrument which

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I think is a great thing to learn. And I

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was very grateful that I got to learn from so

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many great mentors in music school. But sometimes is being

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surrounded by people whose only focus is technical proficiency versus

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like artistic you know, creation can be a bit demoralizing,

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and so I definitely started to feel that during kind

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of like midway through college, like I might not be

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technically proficient enough or you know, kind of just the

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I think you can lose perspective when you're when you're

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in a place where everyone is so good, that makes sense.

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So I think I think there are some of that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And and tell me a little bit about about your influences,

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because you know, obviously I listened to UH, the single

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Stockholm Syndrome, but I also went back and was listening

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to UH on band camp some of your your earlier

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work too, And in fact, another another song that I

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really love is UH. Although I don't think this one's

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very this one might even be on the album mis

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Staying in Line on the album.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was one of the singles I put up.

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Speaker 1: This Okay, yeah, that song I'm going to play at

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the end of our segment because I really like I

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really like that one too. But I'm curious about your

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influences because I can hear a lot of different things

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in there. It sounds like, uh, you know, and it

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makes sense that you know, your parents being musicians, it

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makes sense that you would be probably exposed to a

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lot of different kinds of music from a very young age.

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But but but I'm curious about who who influences your songwriting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's changed a lot. When

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I was growing up, I had a huge radio head phase,

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So there's that. Well though, yeah, I don't know that

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I'm as I still appreciate them, but and you know,

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there was I think stuff. I think there was things

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that trickled in from my folks like wilco Son Voult,

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like all that kind of nineties alternative country stuff. But

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I think the I really started coming into my own

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with some artists that I admired in high school. A

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huge one for me is Rustin Kelly. He's like a

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sort of Americana alternative country as well artist, and I

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just really connected with his songwriting. And he also fuses

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elements of things like pop punk and and some electronic

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things into his songwriting, and that really inspired me. I'm

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also a huge Bony Bear fan, so I've listened to

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I'm Yeah, I've enjoyed every album from the beginning, and

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that was a when I was in middle school. My

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dad played me for Emma Forever ago and that really

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kind of sparked something within me songwriting wise. I'm also

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a huge Snail Mail fan, especially for her first album, Lush.

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I think she was a huge reason why I started

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playing guitar. Was just really inspired by her electric guitar

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style because she'd play electric, but she'd played fingerstyle a lot. Yeah,

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so that was something that I was always kind of

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drawn to, and so it's changed a lot. Those are

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those are three big ones. Recently, I've just I've been

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on a huge Tyler Childers kicks. I've been really enjoying

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his stuff. Okay, but yeah, it's been It's been a

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little bit of a little bit of everybody. I'm sure

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there's some more. I think I'll tack on two other

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quick ones. Porches is A is a project that I'm

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a huge fan of. Just the kind of d I

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Y do yourself thing has always appealed to me, especially

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with like the home recording aspects, and that's something that

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that band does really well. And also for similar reason,

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Josie and the Vonnaville's is a big influence for me too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and what and and tell me about your

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your lyrics a bit, because it feels like, again, I

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listened to it to quite a few songs, and you know,

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they're not they're not simple. Uh yeah, I feel like

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I feel like you're almost like you as as a

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protagonist in the songs. You're you're working through some things.

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Maybe I don't know. I mean, I mean it's deep stuff.

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Tell me about kind of your point of view in

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terms of your lyrics. Obviously different songs, different different backstories,

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but but I'm very curious about that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think this whole album. So the album's

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called flat Lander, and I took it from sort of,

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you know, the regional New England thing of just referring

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to people from I guess, flatter parts in the country. Yeah,

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but I I thought it was kind of funny. But

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I also sort of after living in New Orleans for

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four years, I kind of realized, like, I've become a

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flat Lander. And I just think that the the process

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of moving down there, and just like, honestly, these last

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four to five years of my life changed me a

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lot in a lot of really positive ways. But the

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road there was often quite difficult. And I struggled as

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a lot of kind of tendencies towards like self isolation

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and just low mood and a lot of issues like that,

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nothing too crazy, but just generally feeling pretty like discontented

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with my life despite things being overall pretty all right.

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And so I think that's a lot of what these

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songs are about. The one you just heard, Stockholm Syndrome

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is specifically about just feeling stuck. So I'm from Chesterfield,

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New Hampshire, which is I think it has three thousand residents.

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Oh wow, the town. Yeah, it's not even like classified

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as a town. I think it's classified as a village.

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It's a great place and the people who live here

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are wonderful, but you know, it's mostly old generation, and

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when you're young, it can feel very just like, oh,

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there's nothing to do. And I also a lot of

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my schooling and education kind of felt pretty restrictive at times,

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especially throughout high school. And I also just I think

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I was one of those people that because I had

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parents who pushed me in good ways, but I was

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like pretty academically decent, not to toot my own horn

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too much, but during high school, and so I think

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the pressure of always trying to exceed myself and that

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eventually started getting to me and I started getting like

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migraines and this thing where I'd break out in hives.

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I think some of it might have been like the

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hormonal you know stage where I was growing up. But

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long story short, I was dealing all of that, and

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I was dealing with a lot of anxiety and these feelings.

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And I think going to college, especially in the Deep

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South where well especially New Orleans that can really only

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speak to New Orleans, but where there's just there's like

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a there's a different pace of life, partially because the

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heat slows everyone down, like you just can't you can't

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go do a million things. And I also think they've

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been through so much tragedy and upheaval that there's there

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is a sense of like people trying to lift each

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other up. And so I think going down there, I

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kind of like took a took a breather, and it

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gave me some perspective to look at a lot of

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these things. So I think that's what in a nutshell

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a lot of the songs are about.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean I can relate to the

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part about too you were saying I'm someone who you know,

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I deal with depression and and this this is no

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no secret to people who were longtime listeners of the show.

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I'm pretty open about it. But but I know something

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you said that resonated with me is, you know, when

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it seems like life is going pretty much okay, but

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you just don't feel right, you know, And I can

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relate to that, and I think a lot of people

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can relate to that and connect with it, you know,

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and you're you're not even sure why you're feeling, why

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you're feeling the way you are, you just are and

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yet and it's hard to and it's hard to identify,

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and and people who don't experience anything like that, they

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can't relate to it. So it's hard to explain to

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people sometimes too, why you feel that way if they're

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if they're looking from the outside and saying, well, you know,

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it looks looks to me like everything's pretty good, and

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and you're kind of feeling like, yeah, everything is pretty good,

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and yet I don't feel good right totally?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a common thing. How so, so how

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are you? How are you today?

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Speaker 1: I mean you sound upbeat and positive, I mean, are

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things better or are things I mean, you just grat

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in college, so you're still adjusting in some ways. But

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that must be a relief though, too, I would guess, oh.

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Speaker 3: For sure. I mean, yeah, and honestly, I had a

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great college experience, but it was it's definitely a relief

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to be to be done. I was like, yeah, You're

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never gonna have to write a ten page paper again.

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So those but no. But in all seriousness, uh, I

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think I'm you know, I'm readjusting being back up here

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and and just you know, a big change my life.

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But aside from that, I'm doing pretty well actually, which

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is which is good. And yeah, I've I've kind of

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stayed in touch with a lot of my friends up here,

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so it's been nice to kind of reconnect to the

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community and kinda yeah, just be doing all this music

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stuff feels pretty great too. So I'm yeah, no, I'm

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in a pretty good place now. And I think for me,

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that's when I play these songs live especially, it feels

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very I don't know, it feels kind of cathartic and

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triumphant at the same time, like not like all my

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problems are gone, but I've kind of I've moved beyond

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that period of my life and I kind of feel

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like I can look back at those moments from with

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a different perspective. Yeah yeah, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well something that comes up on the show, This comes

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up constantly the show, in fact, it would seems, is

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you know, the the idea of creating art and using that.

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Speaker 2: As a way to work through whatever it is it's

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bothering you.

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Speaker 1: And and because you know it's it's it's a great

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form of therapy in a sense, right, because you're creating something.

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You're taking something negative, you know, whether it's anxiety or

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whatever it is, and a trauma that you're dealing with

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and creating art from that, you know what I mean?

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What could be better than that? Right, taking that that

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negativity and darkness and creating something that not only is

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cathartic for you, but other people can relate to and

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get something from it too. So you're also sort of

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passively helping others at the same time while you're actively

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helping yourself by creating this art. And so I think

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that's great and I'm glad you're feeling better. What what's

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kind of your do you have? Do you have kind

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of mapped out in your idea, a trajectory for where

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you want to take things going into the future. In

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terms of your career. I mean, obviously the album, the

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album flat Lander is pretty new, so I assume you're

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largely focused on promoting that. But do you have some

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kind of long term goals or are you just kind

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of figuring things out or I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I definitely wanna, yeah, keep promoting this album,

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and really my goal is just to get in front

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of as many people as I can. I think that,

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you know, long term, I'd love for this to be,

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you know, my full time career, and I'm kind of

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willing to put in the grind to do that. So

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for me right now, it's just a lot of it

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is just playing wherever we'll have me, you know, playing

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as many shows as I can, and kind of keep

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promoting things on social media. And really, i'd you know,

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i'd like to get to a point where I can start,

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you know, kind of opening for for other people. And

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and I want to personally, I mean, for immediate future

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next steps, I'd love to just get more connected to

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the musical community around here and you know, link up

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with some other bands and artists. You know, outside my

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sort of immediate bubble, but yeah, I mean ultimately long term,

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I'd really love to make this my full time career.

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So a lot of that is just uh yeah, I

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guess just grinding it out for lack of a better term.

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Speaker 2: Is that is that challenging at all?

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Speaker 1: Because geographically you're in uh you know, you're not exactly

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in a booming metropolis.

477
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: Right.

478
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: No, and it may you know, necessitate at some point

479
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
in the future a move move to somewhere like that.

480
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,720
But I think, you know, I actually feel like the

481
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,519
southern New Hampshire, sort of western mass like this general

482
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,200
area music scene. I don't know, there's, at least for me,

483
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,559
a lot of my one of my favorite artists have

484
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,960
swung by here sometimes even fifteen minutes. Next week you're

485
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,599
gonna go see John Morland and Braderborough. And I just

486
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:05,880
was at the Green River Music Festival and saw Wax

487
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,599
Hatchie and m J. Lenderman there, which is great. So

488
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,160
I don't know. I think, I think that there's a

489
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,000
cool kind of music scene. But obviously I think if

490
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,599
I really want to make this at some point in

491
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,680
the future full time thing, I'm gonna have to tour extensively,

492
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:23,160
So that'll that'll definitely be part and that's a big

493
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
part of like next steps. I have a friend my

494
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:30,519
friends is she's also a singer songwriter, and she lives

495
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,440
in Atlanta. So we're gonna, I think, at some point

496
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,119
in the future we want to do kind of like

497
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,000
a up the East Coast sort of tour and get

498
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,440
that under our legs and then see see how things go.

499
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400
So but yeah, I'm kind of still figuring it out

500
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,240
from being honest, but sure, but yeah, that's sort of

501
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:50,759
the trajectory thus far.

502
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,279
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, Well, I think you're off to a great start.

503
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,839
And congratulations on the release of Flatlander. I assume it's

504
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:58,519
on all the streaming platforms and everything.

505
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,799
Speaker 3: Yes, it's out everyone. And I've got two music videos

506
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,119
and a lyric video on my YouTube channel for that.

507
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,680
So one of my songs, M I A got fifty

508
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,799
five thousand views and five k likes, so that was

509
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
pretty awesome, that is. Yeah, and it also got my

510
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,759
so my friend Peam we went to high school together

511
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,039
and Peem's an incredible filmmaker and so he helped me

512
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,839
with both these music videos we did and we submitted

513
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240
M I A to a bunch of film festivals and

514
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:35,079
we got we just got screened in one in Pennsylvania,

515
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,319
the MMM Film Fests. So that was really cool. Oh

516
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,519
so I'm just really stoked at the response that I've

517
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,839
gotten thus far. I've got some press pieces out as well,

518
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,599
and yeah, so that's that's been pretty great.

519
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

520
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can check it out, check it out wherever

521
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:54,839
on all the all the platforms.

522
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, by the way, and I congratulations, it sounds

523
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,200
like M I A Is doing really well. That's fantast

524
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,279
I will tell you something kind of funny. I wanted

525
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,400
to play that one because I really like that song.

526
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,839
But the only real that there's right at the end,

527
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,680
there's a there's a word that I would have to Now,

528
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,400
I do make radio edits sometimes if I really want

529
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,279
to play something, if the artist doesn't have a radio

530
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,759
edit available, I'll just make one. And I wanted to

531
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,440
do it for that song, and I almost did, but

532
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,400
then I was like, geez, you know what I feel

533
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,480
like in this particular instance, if I do that, it

534
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,920
kind of wrecks the song in a way, even though

535
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,680
the word appears at the very end of the song.

536
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,000
But it's kind of it kind of puts a stamp

537
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:40,440
on the song lyrically, and it's like if I take it,

538
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,240
because you know what I do is I call it

539
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,079
the poor Man's radio edit. I just reverse it wherever

540
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:45,640
the swear is.

541
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,079
Speaker 2: I just so.

542
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: But I was like, but I was like, if I

543
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,680
do that to that song, I don't know, I think

544
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,240
it kind of I don't want to. I don't want

545
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
to inadvertently tamper with your art and wreck the song,

546
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:57,839
you know what I mean.

547
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: I know I appreciate that. I mean I think I'd

548
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,559
thought about submitting that one, and then I remember the

549
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160
radio edit and I had a similar feeling of like

550
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,119
I think it would take out a little bit of

551
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:10,599
the punch and the story of the song.

552
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

553
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: But but people, can you know, check that out on

554
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,599
their own if they're interested.

555
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I encourage people to do that. But

556
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
I also, I do really like this track staying in

557
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,079
line that we're gonna play in a moment. Can you

558
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,000
tell us anything about the lyrics to this? I feel

559
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
like there's a message here.

560
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a there's a very concrete story as well.

561
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:36,599
Because so I was I can't remember which year of college,

562
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,200
but I was back in the area and my friends

563
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,160
I will name names because they wish to be an

564
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,519
autous even though the names get named in the song.

565
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:54,160
But whatever. Yeah, But they they were throwing this New

566
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,119
Year's party. And I'm not a huge I've never been

567
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,079
a huge like partyer or drinker personally, but yeah, I've

568
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,480
just never really appealed to me. And I think I

569
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,200
have a bit of There's some alcoholism on both sides

570
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,319
of my family, so I should be a little aware

571
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,400
of that. Not not my folks, but just extended family.

572
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,160
So sometimes I wonder about anyways, that's a bit of

573
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,720
a there is.

574
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,079
Speaker 1: There is research for the shows as a genetic component

575
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,359
to that, and that is good to be aware of.

576
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, So.

577
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,519
Speaker 3: I you know, I think for that reason, I've I've

578
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200
I'm a little bit more moderate with it. But I

579
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,880
ended up going to my friend's party and we were

580
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,000
we all sort of were hanging out and his older

581
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,720
brother there. They had made this big bonfire and his

582
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,319
alter brother was like in a forklift and just like

583
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880
shoving loads of hay onto the fire. It was just

584
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,559
like this very chaotic kind of goofy ridiculous, Like we

585
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:50,519
there was a bottle in the fire and we were

586
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,880
just watching it melt and we were like joking that

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,640
that's what you do in New Hampshire, is like this

588
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,000
is the only fun thing to do. So it was

589
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,759
it was, it was, you know, it was just a

590
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,839
goofy time. But on a deeper level, I think that

591
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:06,400
song is about kind of you know, when you travel

592
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,359
and when when you know you grow up you become

593
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,039
a different person. And I think for me going to

594
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,240
New Orleans and and kind of I gained a lot

595
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,839
more confidence and I thought about things differently and kind

596
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,279
of got out of my bubble. And I think coming

597
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,319
back and being with friends you kind of can have

598
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:28,000
a different relationship with them than you did previously. Yeah,

599
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,240
And and I think for me in the long term

600
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,960
that's been awesome. And we've actually had a lot of

601
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,200
these friends that I've stuck with, like have We've had

602
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960
a deeper connection than we had previously. But I think

603
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,359
that initially it can be a little like jarring, you know,

604
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,119
or like feeling like everyone else's lives are moving on

605
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,200
without you. M M. And So that's kind of the

606
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,359
kind of duality that I was trying to put into

607
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:54,400
words with that one.

608
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that makes that makes a lot of sense

609
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,319
to me. I think, uh yeah, because I really cannected

610
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:01,799
to this one when I looked and you know, and

611
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,480
I read the lyrics to on band camp and really, yeah,

612
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,599
this one, this one really connects with me on that way.

613
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: So I totally get what you're saying. So we will.

614
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna play that in a moment to finish up.

615
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,119
But Lyle, where's the best place to go online for

616
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,480
people who want to keep up with everything that you're doing,

617
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,400
you know, follow your your career as you as you

618
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,359
go forward. Maybe you've got shows coming up?

619
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,599
Speaker 2: Do you have anything? Are you playing anywhere this weekend?

620
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,079
By the way that you want to plug too.

621
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I thank you for that. I yes, I'm gonna

622
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,720
be playing in Nashua at Terminus Underground, which is one

623
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,000
thirty four Haynes Street, and there's a fifty dollars cover.

624
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,559
It's going to be myself, Jesse Rudstein, Conceptacor and Joshua

625
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,920
Nobody as well as a bunch of art vendors excellent

626
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,359
and I believe depending on whether if it rains, it's

627
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,000
still gonna happen. It's just gonna be inside the venue,

628
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,839
but if it's a nice day out, we're going to

629
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,119
have it out kind of in the lot and will

630
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,279
be a cool little art fair. I'm gonna be performing

631
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,799
from two to three, but you should show up with

632
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:08,559
the whole event, which is from one to six tomorrow.

633
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 2: So very good.

634
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my most recent show and super stoked. And

635
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,759
the folks over there connected me with y'all, so oh yeah,

636
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,200
super happy about that. And there they seem like a

637
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,880
really great venue and just awesome people, so oh absolutely, no,

638
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:26,319
we love that'll be a great one.

639
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: We love Terminus. Eleanor and Andre are amazing. And have

640
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,880
you actually physically been there yet?

641
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:34,359
Speaker 3: No, I'm really excited to check it out.

642
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: I have not.

643
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,359
Speaker 1: I tell everyone the same thing. When the first time

644
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,039
you walk into that room, it's like stepping into another world.

645
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:41,559
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

646
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: When you've seen the pictures, it looks really cool.

647
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is, it's it's it's awesome. So

648
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,960
you'll you'll have a great time there. And uh, where

649
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,200
where should people? Where should people go online to keep

650
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:51,839
up with everything?

651
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,039
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the best place is my website, which is

652
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,039
just lyle Hutchins dot com. That's L Y L E.

653
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,799
H u t c h ionist dot com and then

654
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,759
you can also check out my social media. I'm on

655
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,239
all I'm on TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all that stuff.

656
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,199
And that's all Lyle Hutchins music. Okay, okay, yeah, those

657
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,039
those are the best, so anywhere you like. I also

658
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,280
have a mailing list on my website, so if anybody

659
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,599
wants more regular updates for me, that's where you can

660
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,199
find that. And I think that's about it for where

661
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:29,960
people can find me.

662
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: Sure sure outstanding, outstanding. So we're gonna hit this track.

663
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,639
We're gonna play this station stayed in line. This is

664
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,480
from the new album from Lyle Hutchins. Uh and this

665
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,960
is your debut album, correct, yes, the first full length

666
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,760
yeah uh so this is this is really good. So

667
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,960
the new album flat Lander from Lyle Hutchins. And we're

668
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,119
gonna play this and we'll let you go. Lyle, thank

669
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,480
you so much for joining us today. We'll definitely do

670
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,639
this again in the future as you're releasing new music

671
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,079
and we want to keep up with everything that you're doing.

672
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,679
So h so we really appreciate that and have a

673
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:01,679
great show at Terminus.

674
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Really great to be on

675
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,320
here and I really appreciate you guys having me, so

676
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,559
thanks again.

677
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: You got it all right, Thanks Lyle. Take care,