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Speaker 1: It'll do away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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a UFO hang it in? We don't want to report

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every thirty one? Do you wish to report the UFO old? Hey,

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we want to one of those arias?

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Speaker 2: Thirty one? Do you wish to find a report of.

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Speaker 1: Any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind of reports.

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if it was anybody else, uh above us to pass us?

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golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah it's murder two

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nine five, Yes, I passed over.

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Speaker 1: Out. I don't know what it was from at least

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two three thousand feet above us.

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Speaker 2: See, I passed right over the thought of ninety one

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one guy you just called up three or four?

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Speaker 1: They're after staying airplanes?

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Speaker 2: He is? I where to God in an unidentify object?

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Every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object?

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be recounting his UFO sightings, paranormal experiences, and a visit

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from the infamous Men in Black. He is also an

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Speaker 2: Hello, James, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Very much for having me.

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for West Midlands in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Now, James, you have some UFO and paranormal experiences you're

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going to be sharing with us. Would you like to

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start at the beginning please, sir.

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Speaker 1: Yes, certainly, well, thank you very much so let's let

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us indeed begin. The very first experience I had was

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a close encounter of sorts, and this was the fourteenth

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November in nineteen ninety two. I was walking the dog

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in the middle of Birmingham, so if you're outside of

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the UK, Birmingham is the UK's second largest city. It

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was a completely clear night, so you could see the

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stars in the sky, and as I was walking the dog,

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I looked up and I saw what appeared to be

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a blue comet that was arching across the sky. Now

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what was unusual was that it actually appeared to go

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behind something, and as it went behind something, there was

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just a brief outline of an object that looked at us,

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I suppose in the same shape as as a rugby

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ball or an American football. And I looked at that

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and I thought, well, that was very strange. Because it

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was very clear in the sky. You couldn't actually physically

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knew there was something there because he went behind it.

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a keen astronomer, so when I got home. It's a

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three story house we live in. I was on the

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second floor. I opened up the windows to look at

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the night sky, and when I looked at the night sky,

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I could see in the distance there appeared to be

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some flashing lights, and as I watched them over about

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the next ten minutes, flashing lights became one light and

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it began to get closer and closer. I was the

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object to me was hovering above a tree in the garden.

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the time as well. There was a slight static charge

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basically spoke out and said, I can't see what you are.

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very very still. But our dog was very agitated and

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almost at a shell shocked. To my sister so happened

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running in saying, oh, my goodness, if you see this

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object that's just gone over the house. So it was

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very nice that basically there's someone else there that actually

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sort of newspapers and looking for reports, and of course

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there was nothing there. Now at the time, I reported

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the citing to the Birmingham Birmingham Observatory and they told

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me basically that what I had seen was serious and

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now was obviously as a keen astronomer, I was a

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little bit crestfallen by that, but I didn't really know

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how to respond, and so I kind of left it there. Now,

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that in itself is an interesting experience, but it's not

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necessarily anything that is above anybody else's experience. What happened

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twelve years later is what really sparked my interests. So

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in wearing sort of black clothing. The gentleman was around

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five eight five foot nine. He was in his late fifties.

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suppose you'd call almost sort of Scandinavian sort of features.

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so these two strangers at the door and they say,

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mister Brody, we'd like to talk to you about your

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UFO experience. And as ridiculous as this sounds, I said, yes, certainly,

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coming in, and so vite two complete strangers into the

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house and we sat down. Now, the lady had a

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black holdall bag with them and she presented a folder.

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first thing that you saw, so referring to the comet,

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did it look like this? And the first image that

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she showed me wasn't just a picture of what I

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the picture through my own eyes, So it was it

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the actual object itself as it rotated, and it was

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a in a minute. So they asked me whether I'd

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had any other experiences. They also were very interested in

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whether I had any paranormal experience, and I talked a

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little bit about when I was younger, I'd had a

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little bit of It wasn't until I've left to university

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that pretty much every house I've been in is has

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some sort of paranormal elements to it. They also asked

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whether I'd had any interference with electrical objects, and a

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couple other sort of personal questions. Now, when you tell

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this story to somebody, you often said, what, you just

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let two strangers in the house, and my wife was

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upstairs as well, but she didn't come downstairs. And when

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they left, they literally just walked out and just walked

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down the road before disappearing out of sights. And then

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about five ten minutes later, it was almost as if

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was one hundred and one different questions I was asking,

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and I was saying, why on earth did I let

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these complete strangers into the house. Why is it they

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were asking me this question? Who were they? And after that,

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basically there was no sort of follow up conversation. I

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haven't had anything since, but I just thought it was

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a very very peculiar incident. I mean, typically when you

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talk about men in black experience, certainly from you know,

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UFO and paranormal phenomena for about twenty five years now,

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and you know, so you come across usually it's a

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short period of time as an attempt to debunk and

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all those sort of classic tropes. But this was just

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purely just to sort of trying to find out more

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about the experience, had I had anything else, and they

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and then they left, and so that's what got me

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thinking about there actually being a link between the UFO

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experience and the paranormal experience. So from a paranormal experience,

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So the first incident is that the house where we are,

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there was another house about which we were renting about

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fifteen years from where from where we were, and with

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that particular house, it was a case of when we

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a certain amount of activity in the house, so for example,

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things would move occasionally you'd come in and the TV

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would be just on static, very much like that sort

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of Poulter sort of the experience. But there were sort

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of two incidents from then. So a few years ago

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there was a earthquake in Birmingham was actually the epicenter

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was two miles from where we were living at the time,

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and that it was only a sort of five point

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two five point three on the Richter scale, but for

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the UK that's very big, and myself and my wife.

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We were sat on our bed and in the middle

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of the room suddenly a orb appeared. And when I

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say an orb, it's as if he had blown a

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bubble using that classic sort of piece of plastic into

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so Fair liquids, and his bubble just appeared in the

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middle of the room and kind of floated around. And

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sort of floated out of the out of the window,

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and then two hours later we had an earthquake and

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then an aftershock. Now I understand that obviously you have

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this sort of phenomenon of earth lights, and typically animals

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will pick up on a release of sort of energy

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prior to a to an earthquake, so that was quite interesting.

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which was very distressing for us. But for about for

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about three weeks afterwards, we actually heard him and indeed

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see you know, saw him around the house. So when

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the corridor and I saw what could only be described

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as a as an outline of our dog. And what

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it's sort of depressed. So it was a case if

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different activities that were going on, and so I started

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to take pictures of the of various things that was

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current websites, and by pure fluke, one time fourteen times

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actually picks up on the website, and so I went

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was asked basically whether we'd like to do something, and

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at that time we felt that the stigma was too

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big that we didn't want to pursue because they were

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offering a considerable amount of money at the time as well,

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and we've kind of moved out of that house soon

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soon after. Now, the most interesting case from paranormal experiences

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to be born the end of January. It was about

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a week before Christmas, and myself and my wife were

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sat in our front room. My wife sat down next

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to me, and then suddenly around myself. It's a case

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of it went very very cold, to the extent that

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you could see my breath. Now, I was in a

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paranormal research group at the time. I had things like

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an EMF meter. I had four or five different meters

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around vibration, humidity, things like that. We were looking for

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a draft in the house, so I was obviously checking

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all the windows, checking the doors. Now, the interesting thing

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about this was was that it was actually purely focused

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on myself. So wherever I was it was absolutely freezing.

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I sat down next to her, it was freezing purely

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around myself. My wife was completely untouched. And what then

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happened was as we sat down on the sofa, thinking

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this is very strange, a small brilliant white light appeared

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in the corner of the room, and it started to

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get bigger and bigger until it was about the size

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of a fifty pence piece, so you know, so like,

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you know, a couple of inches in size. Basically, what

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happened then was it kind of it disappeared. It kind

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of just fizzed out of existence. Now, when it fizzed

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out of existence, what happened was every single device with

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any four of charge had been zapped. So that meant cameras,

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that meant laptops, that meant you know, you know, mobile phones.

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Everything lost its charge in the room. And that was obviously,

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you know, quite quite a sort of a specific experience there,

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and so we said everything lost it lost its charge.

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So I was speaking to a couple of colleagues in

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the paranormal group and they the first thing they said

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to me, James, is is is your wife okay? And

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I said, well, yes, why? And I said, well, in

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their experience, anything that makes that much effort to try

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and get into the atmosphere, typically there's a war the

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warning associated with it. But you know, we kind of

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brushed it off at the time. And then New Year's Eve,

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my wife starts complaining of severe stomach cramps and basically

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I take my wife to hospital. She's very distressed, and

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basically we had to have an emergency cesarians. It turned

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out that my wife and daughter there was a detachmental center,

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which was pretty much fatal to both of them. And

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it was very much a case of they, you know,

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our daughter was born through emergency cesarean, and both my

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wife and daughter were then in hospital for about a

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month and a half afterwards. I mean, they don't remember

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that time, but you know, they were both incredibly poorly. Now,

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what you could do on one in one sent you say, well,

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that was just coincidence, which absolutely it could be, or

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you could also suggest that maybe there was indeed some

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sort of link there and there was potentially some sort

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of warning. So with that sort of thing, it's a

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case of, you know, you try and remain as objective

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as possible, but you can't help feel that it's an

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interesting coincidence that you know that my wife was pregnant,

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you know, she was ill that we're not that we

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knew at the time, and there was that sort of

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it felt as if that contact was made. So that's

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very much the sort of beginning of the journey, which

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is those are my sort of personal experiences as to

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both the paranormal phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon. And so

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I started to research that link between the two, and

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over the years it's a case of we've come to

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a number of sort of conclusions and number of maybe insights,

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and I am now indeed working on a hypothesis that

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the two are linked. So when you're looking to research

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this sort of thing, I was trying to understand, you know,

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the UFO and the paranormal communities are very sort of tribal,

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almost disparate groups. So even though there's a lot of

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linkage between the two, there are actually very much, very

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different areas. And whereas you do get some crossover, by

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and large, the UFO community see what they're doing as

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far more scientific and the paranormal is seen as far

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more wu And that's the term I really don't like

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very much, but that is a term that is that

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actually use a lot. So I was thinking, ll, what

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can I use as a starting point to understand is

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there a link between it? And that's when I started

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reading about Nicholas Tesla. Nicola Tesla is pretty much the

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godfather of modern sort of technology. There is a number

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of inventions that he created, but there's also something that

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he said which I found very striking, which is to

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understand the universe, you need to think of it in

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the terms of electricity, sort of vibration and frequency. So sorry,

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energy frequency and vibration. And I thought, okay, so energy,

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frequency and vibration. That's a that's a great starting point

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to understand whether there's any link between that. And then

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I was looking at modern physics to try and understand, right, well,

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what do we see as what are the building blocks

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of the universe. And one of the great starting points

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is looking at things like M theory. So M theory

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basically said is that when you get down to a

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sub atomic level, when you get even smaller than that,

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essentially everything comes down to sort of filaments of energy,

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and those filaments of energy actually have a frequency to them.

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And so again this very much builds on that initial

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sort of almost like throwaway comment by Tesla that you know,

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everything has energy, everything has frequency to it, and so

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it's a case of thinking, right, okay, so we have

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so we know that these different building blocks. And then

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when I looked into frequency itself. Realize that actually we're

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completely governed by frequency. Everything that we see, everything that

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we touch, even our brain waves have a specific frequency

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to them. So for example, if you're looking at humans,

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the human brain works on a frequency between seven and

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twelve hertz, and that's basically when you've relaxed, your eyes

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are closed. It's the pre and your post sleep. But

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you've got things that your brain operates between four and

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seven hurts when you're dreaming, you're in a deep meditation set.

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fifteen twenty four hurts. And then when you've got that

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sort of fight or flight, then your brain is operating

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between twenty four and thirty five hurts. So that tells

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us that our brains all operates a sort of frequency range,

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and that's part of what governs us. But also the

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human body is they're designed to pick up different sort

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of experiences and that's you know, through your different senses.

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That's what helps you to They're like your body's sensors

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to pick up around the world's around you. And there's

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a case of thinking, right, so this is the brain

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this order, but the brain doesn't necessarily actually physically see something.

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What it does is is it interprets, And it's about, well,

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if it interprets, it's a case of what is it interpreting?

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Is it something that is is there something else there

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that is basically working alongside the brain, And that's when

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I had the light bulb moment about consciousness. Now, consciousness

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is again it's an area of investigation. A lot of

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the time it is in philosophy about consciousness, but there

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is also sort of scientific studies into consciousness trying to

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have a sort of quantifiable, sort of definition of consciousness.

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And it's a case of the consciousness there are a

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couple of definitions. So the first definition is about you

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know that the experience that is being greater than the

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sort of some of its parts, which seems that you know,

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to be honest with that seems quite sort of wishy

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washy to me. But it's a case of then trying

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to think, well, what other sort of definitions can we have,

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And you know, you can talk about it in the

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terms of a transfer of energy between two systems, and

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that's when you start looking at things like the integrated

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information theory of consciousness. So what that basically does is

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it says that the nature and source of consciousness. So

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initially it was proposed by Giolicioni, and what he said

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is that it claims that consciousness is identical to a

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certain kind of information, the realization of which requires physical,

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not merely functional integration, and which can be measured mathematically

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according to the pimetric, so Fi spelt pH i and

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what the fimetric is. Now, I'm not a scientist. This

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is literally just layperson's sort of research. So it may

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find that you're that some of your listeners will have

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a far better understanding. You may be able to correct me.

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But as I said, this is a working hypothesis. So

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it's a case of typically at the five scale, what

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we have is we have the human brain, because that is,

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as far as you know, the most sort of conscious

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It's our sort of marker. And for argument's sake, Will

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says it has a score one hundred. As you get

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lower through different sort of species. So over eam point

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you know you're going you're going through two mammals, and

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then fish and then insects, et cetera, et cetera. That

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score goes lower and lower down the down the scale.

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Now what you find is is that when you get

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to a sub atomic level, then what we find is

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that actually we have a score that is lower than one,

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but most importantly it's higher than zero. So well what

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does that mean? So what that actually means is and

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what that hints is is that actually the sort of

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universe as we know it has a form of consciousness

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to it. And it's a case, well what do you

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mean by that? Well, maybe it's better to say there

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is a form of interconnectivity and that there is again

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going back to Tesla, he described the ether as that

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sort of of almost sort of astral plane. And when

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again when using terms of astral plane, these are sort

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of terms that are put under wu as it were,

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but actually maybe we need to think about this in

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different terms that actually we say that there is a

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realm of a sort of energy where there is a

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constant sort of sharing of information. And so actually what

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happens is our consciousness is potentially part of that that

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we are constantly sort of experiencing. So our brain is

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collecting all of this information, but our consciousness is actually

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what makes sense of it and is what actually is

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sharing it to potentially a form of Well, everyone likes

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using the term the matrix, but it's a sort of

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a construct where information is shared. And this is very

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much so again, consciousness is something that is this sort

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of nebulous term that we use, but it is actually

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something that we know is there, you know, and is

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there towards the scientific community. There's not a lot of

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research into it, but we know it's there as as

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as a presence. So it's a case of how do

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we measure that, how does how does that interact? How

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does that work for us practically? And it's a case

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of when you try and explain it, then you look

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at the four sort of natural laws of you know, space, time,

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and then the nuclear in the large and nuclear in

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the small. If you can't explain it within those four

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sort of forces of nature, then it's a case of

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maybe there is a fifth force of nature that we

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don't know about now. When you look at things like

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the sort of cern in Switzerland and all the sort

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of the experimentation it's doing, there is very much about

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they've already said that. They said that they hinting that

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maybe there is a fifth or even sixth forces of

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nature that at the minute we're not actually aware of.

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But then also there's a challenge about with consciousness is

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a case of we're all made up of electrons and

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you know, and various other subatomic particles. We all know

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it's there, but what is it that basically gives one

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of those particles consciousness? What is it that gives a

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collection of those consciousness? So let's take a step back,

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and so I've talked a little bit about consciousness there

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and why is it important, and also mentioned frequency. So

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let me give you a really good analogy. If you

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look on YouTube and look for a experiment about resonance.

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What residence is is that you have two tuning forks,

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and the second tuning fork has a ping pong ball

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attached to it. And what happens is is you hit

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the first tuning fork and then the second tuning fork

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will ring without you actually hitting it, and then the

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pingbong ball will move around, and that represents so I

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guess you'd say, the transfer of information. But the reason

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why the second tuning fork rings is because it is

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resonated with the sound that's been generated from the first one,

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and then when the two connect, there is that transfer

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of information. And so that's the key point. A transfer

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of information between two information systems. So in this analogy,

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it's actually consciousness that is constantly hitting that first note,

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and then what happens is it basically sees what is

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it that resonates with it, and there's that transfer of information.

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So that resonance could be the frequency of experience around us,

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it could be around physical touch, but there is that

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resonance between us and that's what gives you that transfer

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of information. Now, then again we ask ourselves what is

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the relevance of this. So again, if we're looking at

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both the UFO and paranormal experience, then one of the

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sort of common themes that's around is that maybe UFOs

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00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,200
especially are actually multi dimensional. So we'm talking about multidimensional.

481
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,400
What does that actually mean. So in our dimension we

482
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,279
are three dimensional beings, and it's a case of, you know,

483
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,480
we have our three levels of coordinates, but in the

484
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:12,200
fourth dimension, this is something that specifically governs around time,

485
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,400
and it means that basically coordinates as we know them

486
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,319
don't exist. Everything is instantaneous. And when you then compare

487
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,119
that to say a lot of UFO abduction theory, then

488
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,200
it's a case of people often talk about being spoken

489
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,200
to telepathically or the transported from point A to point B. Now,

490
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,440
that is all perfectly normal if you were actually thinking

491
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,119
about things within the fourth dimension, because as we know,

492
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,759
things are basically instantaneous. There are no sound waves, because

493
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,839
there's no sort of start point, there's no end point. Indeed,

494
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,359
if we would look at ourselves in the fourth dimension,

495
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,279
what we would see is so imagine that you were

496
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,400
looking at me now and I'm sat in the seat.

497
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,200
What you would see is every version of myself coexisting

498
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,319
on that chair from birth through to death. That would

499
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,920
be my existence in the fourth dimension. But as a

500
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:11,880
three dimensional being, we can't actually see that coexistence. So again,

501
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480
another analogy for you is that imagine that you are

502
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,920
watching somebody on the TV screen. Now, that person that

503
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,559
you're watching, you know that they are three D because

504
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,039
it's a case of you know, you look at the

505
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,440
world around you see in three D. However, when you're

506
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
seeing an image, you're actually only seeing a two D

507
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
image because that's the medium that you're able to see

508
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
that image in. So what this essentially means is is

509
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,000
that actually we are living in a multi dimensional world. However,

510
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:42,240
we are limited by what we can see because we

511
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:46,279
are a three dimensional being it's our brain works linear,

512
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,680
and so we're not able to understand, I'm not able

513
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000
to view potentially what the fourth dimension and what those

514
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:57,279
upper sort of dimensions look like. So what that means

515
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,920
is to me is that again when we're looking at

516
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:05,799
how objects are able to move potentially great, great distance

517
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,759
across the universe, because as we know that reality is

518
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,359
that we haven't been able to travel faster than light.

519
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,839
And if you leave in Einstein, he tells you that

520
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720
basically you can't travel faster than the speed light. So

521
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,000
if you can't travel faster than the speed light, or

522
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:21,799
how can you how can you get round that? So

523
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,799
one of those would be to be able to fold

524
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,359
space and time or whether you're multi dimensional. Then again,

525
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,400
the idea of coordinates as we as we know it

526
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,119
doesn't actually exist. So it means that everything is instantaneous,

527
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,759
and so you would in theory you would be able

528
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,440
to move great distances in short times. And so from

529
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,200
the UFO perspective, and it would suggests that actually there

530
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,319
is an element of multi dimensionalism there. It means that

531
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,640
we have access to, you know, to technology that basically

532
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,839
is way beyond our comprehension and it's about you know, understanding, well,

533
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:03,799
what what does out of our comprehension mean?

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Speaker 1: Now, if you also look at the sort of paranormal

558
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elements of things again and look at again looking at

559
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:45,599
that principle the fourth dimension and looking at a snapshot

560
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,519
of things, then in this case, maybe the paranormal is

561
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,799
actually what we're doing is we're getting an impression of

562
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:56,440
a fourth dimension image into our world. So maybe it's

563
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,960
a case of there is a perception by some people

564
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,599
of the fourth dimension or a sliver of that of

565
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,119
that fourth dimension. And so it's a case of you

566
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,679
might find that when you get you know, audio sort

567
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,159
of visual phenomena, then it's about basically you are getting

568
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,519
a bleed, as it were, from another dimension. And it's

569
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,599
a case of you are you are seeing something that

570
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,480
is outside of our normal sort of range of vision.

571
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,519
For example, if you may see somebody in a room,

572
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,280
it might be a case of what you have got

573
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,320
is an impression. So remember when we go back to

574
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000
seeing yourself coexisting one point in time, maybe you are

575
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,440
actually seeing a slither of somebody's coexistence at that particular

576
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,480
point in time. So you are looking at a fourth

577
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,719
dimensional object, or you're looking through that TV screen, and

578
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,679
what you're only able to do is interpret what you

579
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,159
see through the medium that you're able to understand. And

580
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,039
so that's why I believe that basically both the UFO

581
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,960
and the paranormal phenomena are in are in some way linked,

582
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,320
because I believe that actually what we're doing is we're

583
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,119
looking at things outside of our sort of perception, outside

584
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,360
of our range knowledge. And what this means is is

585
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,840
that our consciousness, our brain is trying to make something

586
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,039
that it can recognize. And this is why Also it

587
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,360
means that you are essentially the sum of your experience.

588
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,039
You are the sum of your programming, which means why

589
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:29,239
two people can look at an object and maybe see

590
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,239
something very different, because it will be how their own perception,

591
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,880
how their own reality, how that sort of represents what

592
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,760
they are seeing. And so again we're looking about reality.

593
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,559
Then that's again is a really interesting time because it's

594
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,480
a case of what you're finding is is that we're

595
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,320
in a period of exploring not both the sort of

596
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,719
world around us, but within our sort of mind and

597
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,559
around physics as well. However, we are very much physics based.

598
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,480
And basically there's a gentleman called Robert Lanza, and he

599
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,199
is an advocate for biocentrism, and what that basically is

600
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,760
is about saying that's place in biology above both physics

601
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,159
and chemistry, because what he argues is is that basically

602
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,320
a lot of what we see, a lot of what

603
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,800
we experience, can't be explained through just through physics. So

604
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,800
for example, there's the slip hole experiment where basically you

605
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,719
are observing a light and it's a case of it's

606
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,280
when it's observed, then it's a case of you know,

607
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,239
you see that light and it switches forms both between

608
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
a sort of wave and a light. But the point

609
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:42,079
is it is the observer that that makes that change.

610
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,159
If you don't look at it, then it's one form,

611
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,639
but the minute you do look at it, it's another form.

612
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,079
And so this is suggesting that there is the term

613
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:57,079
of the observer is defining reality around us. And really

614
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,960
what it's saying is is that because the human brain

615
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,199
doesn't actually physically see anything, it only interprets. Then you

616
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,519
could argue to a certain degree that actually it is

617
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,079
the human brain and consciousness there is actually creating reality

618
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:17,559
around it, and without consciousness, then there is no existence.

619
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,079
It's a case of because it is only an interpretation,

620
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:25,119
everything that we see, everything that we experience, is an interpretation.

621
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:30,199
And there's basically people like David Chalmers and what he does.

622
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,280
He basically believes that this idea of panpsychism, and what

623
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,719
that is is that he believes that everything has consciousness,

624
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:44,000
Everything is being processed, everything is being linked so that

625
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,800
space and time are the tools for which the mind

626
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,199
puts reality together. But anytime a wave function deserved, it

627
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,039
collapses and the wave becomes goes back to a particle.

628
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,519
So there are elements of physics there that we don't

629
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,880
actually understand. But if we take away that bias of

630
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,599
physics and start talking about how we are creating reality

631
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,519
around us, then we are actually able to get around

632
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,719
some of these sort of sort of challenges. And so

633
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,159
consciousness for me is something that plays a far bigger

634
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:22,239
part in our world than we yet understand, certainly outside

635
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,719
of out of physics, but it is very much seen

636
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,440
as being part of the wo which basically gives it

637
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,000
a massive disservice because I think it is something that

638
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,400
needs to be investigated. I think from our own sort

639
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,440
of experience and looking at going back to that Fie model,

640
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,760
we understand that there is some level of interconnectivity. And

641
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,559
whether you decide to interpret that as us being part

642
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,679
of a simulation, that is one possible solution. You could

643
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,320
say that it's proof that there is omnipotence, and that

644
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,119
if you follow a particular religion then you could so actually,

645
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,320
this is a way potentially of kind of explaining it's

646
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,559
using modeling. All of these are interesting points. I mean, personally,

647
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:10,119
I believe that there is some level of interconnectivity. There

648
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
is some sort of infinite mass, as it were, that

649
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,519
is contained within our particular dimension, and maybe we need

650
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,239
to look at our dimensions rather than thinking of it

651
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,800
as this some sort of inanimate object that maybe actually

652
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,119
it's part of some sort of network. The way I

653
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,960
look at it is our level of understanding. It's a

654
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,000
case of currently we know that there's this giant kind

655
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,639
of network, and from our level of understanding, we haven't

656
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,480
even been given basic user access yet. However, there are

657
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,559
more advanced civilizations out there that basically have got the

658
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:47,000
ADMIN access and so what this essentially means is that

659
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:48,880
you know that they are able to access all the

660
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,480
information that on their network and they're able to sort

661
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,519
of profit from that information. But again, a lot of

662
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:00,639
the universe around us is all about that ex experience,

663
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,119
that's sharing of experience. And when you talk to some

664
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,199
of the sort of big names in euthology, especially at

665
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,000
the minutes they talk about when they've spoken to the

666
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,639
sort of ciing government, and this is going to sound

667
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,719
quite out there admittedly, is that one of the thoughts

668
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,239
about the sort of human existence itself is that actually

669
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,400
we are containers for souls. Now, again this sounds incredibly woo.

670
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,320
I don't know my feelings on that, but the saying

671
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,159
that essentially what is happening is that if we are,

672
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,719
if containers for souls, then what consciousness is doing is

673
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,039
basically feeding your soul with experience, with information and that

674
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,039
is in some way shared to a greater, a greater

675
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:49,920
sort of network. Like I said, personally, I don't know

676
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,760
how I feel about that. I think what I have

677
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,079
found through my years of experience is that some of

678
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,480
the wilder things that was thinking of twenty five years

679
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,519
ago is actually now the norm, and some of what

680
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,719
is now not the norm is sounds even crazier. I

681
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,239
think part of this is going to be down to

682
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,039
the fact that people are going to need to find

683
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:14,360
their own personal truths. I think that there is an

684
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,639
argument that both euthology and sort of paranormal in some

685
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,480
ways is its own sort of religion, in that we

686
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,159
live in a more secular time and if you do

687
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,039
not follow any particular religion, I mean, I'm an atheist myself,

688
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,000
it's a case of then there is an argument that

689
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,239
you're looking for your own sort of creation story, your

690
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,639
own truth, which then the sort of UFO and paranormal

691
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,920
experience that kind of helps to fill that gap, so

692
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,119
to speak. So from all my experience, from my and

693
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:52,480
everything I've tried to research and look into, I do

694
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,320
very much feel that both UFO and paranormal experience are

695
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,639
the same thing. I think, from my personal opinion that

696
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,480
there is a strong multi dimensional elements to this. I

697
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:09,280
think that essentially there is a biome outside of what

698
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,559
we can see at the minute. So I believe that

699
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,679
there is the physical Earth, and then there is possibly

700
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,000
multiple planes of existence on the planets that we only

701
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,960
have small access to, and maybe we'll find through cern

702
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,639
that actually we are able to gain access to these

703
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:33,880
different biomes and understand things. I mean, a good way

704
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,000
of explaining it is is when you look up at

705
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,119
the night sky. You look up at the sky and

706
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,280
you see that basically it's dark, but basically there are

707
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,960
and there are a few stars there, whereas the reality

708
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,920
is actually the sky should be a blinding light of

709
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,960
stars because there are that many stars out there. However,

710
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,599
as we now know through physics, we have red shift,

711
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,199
which means that we have basically a spectral range of

712
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,639
light that we can see. So actually we're only seeing

713
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,000
a frack of what is out there. And again, if

714
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,280
you use that analogy to the Earth that we stand on,

715
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,159
there is only a fraction of what we can actually

716
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,559
physically see around us, and there is far far more

717
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,840
out there. So I guess that's my sort of downloads

718
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,280
as to sort of my personal experience and sort of

719
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,760
general thoughts.

720
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 2: Well, James, you have been busy.

721
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Yes, Like I said, I'm researching a book for a

722
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,519
book at the minute that I'm actively writing, and I'm

723
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,679
trying to put as much sort of science into it

724
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,199
as possible, because I think there's a lot of interpretation

725
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,480
which doesn't help. And it is very much trying to

726
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,960
look at what is out there as the minute. What

727
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,719
are some of the theories that are out there that

728
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,639
will help to and be very keen say this is

729
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,199
purely a hypothesis. So if somebody says to me, you

730
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,400
haven't understood something correctly, then I warmly welcome that because

731
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,639
it then means great, I can now work on a

732
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,760
slight different hypothesis, you know. And it's about science, isn't it.

733
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,280
You come up with a hypothesis and either it works

734
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,159
or it doesn't work. It doesn't work, you then come

735
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:09,320
up with the next hypothesis.

736
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,519
Speaker 2: That's exactly what science is. You know, You're forever learning,

737
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,519
absolutely and obviously you've been with the Birmingham UFO group

738
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,039
with Dave Hodrin. Yes, that's correct, wonderful, okay. And to

739
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,000
investigate these cases, it's always a good idea to look

740
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,920
for a link, you know, with the paranormal past experience,

741
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,159
and especially for a lot of my guess is experiences

742
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,079
go hand in hand.

743
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think in many ways it's almost as if

744
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,400
there is an tunement as it were so you know, again,

745
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,920
I'm a man of many analogies. It's you know, when

746
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,880
we're talking about frequency, we're thinking about radio waves, and

747
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,599
imagine basically that we're essentially a radio that is trying

748
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:50,199
to tune into a particular channel, and when you tune

749
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,679
into that particular channel, you then get signal. But you

750
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,840
also need to be aware that there are other radio

751
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,960
stations out there as well.

752
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,039
Speaker 2: Exactly Okay, your visit from the Men in Black in

753
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,679
your case, the people in Black. Yes, it's not just

754
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,079
the USA have these accounts of the Men in Black.

755
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,559
We do get quite a bit in the UK, and

756
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,440
they always seem to follow the same pattern. Someone has

757
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,960
an experience, a UFO experience, then then they have these visitors.

758
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean I think the thing when I

759
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,119
spoke to David about this, I think the challenge we've

760
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,880
got is why was there such a long sort of

761
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,880
difference in time. It's a case of why why wait

762
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,280
twelve years? I mean, there was no sort of specific date,

763
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,559
There was nothing sort of unique to the to when

764
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:37,199
they came out. For me, it was a purely random visit.

765
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Did they identify themselves in the end, No.

766
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 1: They didn't, and The stupid thing is I didn't ask

767
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,639
to me that. As I've thought about it many times,

768
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,719
it was almost as if I was sort of made compliance.

769
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,159
So when I say made compliant, I didn't feel under

770
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,760
the influence at all at the time. I was just like, oh,

771
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,960
you know, these are these two people I'll trust. I'll

772
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,320
let them into my house, which is ridiculous as it sounds,

773
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,840
sit down and have a and have a conversation.

774
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: It's interesting, when did you say this was? When did

775
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,760
this happen?

776
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: I was around about thirty thirty one, so this would

777
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,119
have been exa, I'm getting on for nineteen years ago.

778
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: And of course we don't have the security cameras you

779
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,079
know that we did then.

780
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,119
Speaker 1: Well, exactly exactly, and that's one of my great regrets.

781
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,079
I mean. And also though it was very interesting, is

782
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:21,760
that normally, if we have visitors in the house, my

783
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,039
wife would be downstairs. But she didn't come downstairs, and

784
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,199
she when I asked her about she said, well, it

785
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,599
just kind of felt it just I just kind of

786
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,920
thought it was something that was a conversation for you,

787
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,679
which was quite a strange thing in itself, because then

788
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,320
you begin to think, solf, well, was she sort of

789
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,719
influenced not to come downstairs because she was aware they

790
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,960
came in, but she didn't see them.

791
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. It's anovery interesting point to it,

792
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,280
you know, regardless of what anyone says. I mean, obviously,

793
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,760
if we move away from the TV movie and staff, Yeah, yeah,

794
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,119
there are visits from these people, and they're obviously from

795
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,320
some kind of government agency. I wouldn't always go as

796
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,360
far as to say that they're aliens themselves, you know,

797
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,079
but they do certainly have some unusual characteristics, whether it's

798
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,519
in their mannerisms or you know what you just explained there,

799
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,519
the whole the whole bubble that surrounded the visit.

800
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,079
Speaker 1: Well that's I was at UFO conference actually over the

801
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,920
weekend and I was sort of talking to a couple

802
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,880
of people about it, and I had a They've had

803
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,239
a great analogy for me, So imagine that that maybe

804
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,719
it's a case of, you know, whether you go down

805
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,599
the fact that they're alien roots, which you don't completely

806
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,639
agree with, but it's a case of you imagine that

807
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,840
basically they are bee keepers and we're and we and

808
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,280
we're bees, and what they're doing is they want to

809
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,760
check the hive, so they put in a sort of

810
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,719
a dummy bee, as it were, just to check the

811
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,880
you're going to investigate the hive, so you put something

812
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,800
in that looks and a bit looks like a bee.

813
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,480
You get, well, a look, it's yellow and black. It

814
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,639
looks like an insect. That should be close enough. And

815
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,880
sometimes I think to myself, well, you know when you

816
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,280
get the picture, when you get these you know, you

817
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,000
get these accounts of these strange looking people with strange mannerisms.

818
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,760
Maybe it's a case of they're looking at it and

819
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,159
go ah, that's close enough. They'll never notice the difference.

820
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,920
But obviously we're a lot more sentient than that, and

821
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,199
we're very aware of when something is off or not.

822
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: I don't he a good way of looking at it.

823
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,800
And you know, when a beekeeper wants to take some

824
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,519
honey out from the high if he smokes the place,

825
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,039
and that would explain the fog, you know, the brain

826
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,199
fog near enough that where you both of you were

827
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,199
nice and relaxed. You know, you didn't really question it.

828
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,360
You just went along with everything that was happening.

829
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that. And again there was like

830
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:29,320
and when the funny thing is it is like when

831
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,440
they left. There was no sort of big black car

832
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:33,840
or anything. They're literally just got the bag and walk

833
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,079
down the road and then out of sight. That was it.

834
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,199
Speaker 2: And one thing, whether you've noticed it already, you know,

835
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,559
at the meetings, you'll probably find that you'd have individuals

836
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,280
that turn up there which you've even never seen them before,

837
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,679
or they seem completely out of place. Yes, these conferences,

838
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,599
even the smaller meetings, they do get visited from from

839
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,679
certain individuals.

840
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's always very very interesting. You know, we look

841
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,840
at and we know that there's various sort of reports

842
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,119
now and we're only aware of we're only aware of

843
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:02,840
some of them at the minute. You know, there's a

844
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,159
there's a I'm sure there's plenty of sort of groups

845
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,760
out there that we are unaware of. And I just

846
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000
think it's now it's a case of we've become sort

847
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,119
of hyper aware of it and so we're more likely

848
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:17,000
to see it. So maybe actually the activity has an increase.

849
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,480
It's just the fact that we have means of being

850
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,599
able to know, to to be able to understand, to

851
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,760
be able to recognize when something isn't quite isn't quite off.

852
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Because I guess one of the questions I'll always get

853
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,880
asked is by by someone who you know, someone who's skeptical.

854
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,480
They say, is right, well, we've got all this, got

855
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,079
all these cameras and stuff, right, why is it we

856
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,800
don't get a proper picture? Why don't we get something?

857
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,159
We say, well, there are some pictures out there. But

858
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,079
have you ever thought about this? Is that if UFOs

859
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:48,480
are multi dimensional, then if you're in a different dimension,

860
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,039
then it means that light could very much be operating

861
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,119
at a different frequency. So what we're actually seeing is

862
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,320
actually a three D interpretation of what a four D

863
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,559
object it is. However, when we're actually recording with an

864
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,599
object that records it a particular frequency, we are only

865
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,800
getting a sort of an inflection into into our reality.

866
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,280
So it's only seeing part of what it can see

867
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,559
because that's governed by the frequency of light that it

868
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,840
can actually recall from. Actually, maybe it's not actually recording

869
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,119
the actual object. It's only our impression or as you know,

870
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,599
our version of reality of that particular object.

871
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. We're always going to have a fakery,

872
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,480
you know, We're always going to have the misidentification. I

873
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,840
mean people people don't look up as much. So when

874
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,960
they do catch something, then you know, they record it

875
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,960
and they don't always know what it is, so we

876
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,840
always get that. But there's a lot of good videos

877
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,360
out there which, yeah, are a little bit blurry, so

878
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,480
it's quite easy to question question, you know, what's going on.

879
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,639
But there's it's a science you know, we don't yet understand.

880
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,480
We think we do, and we think we're getting closer,

881
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,239
but there's a lot of things we don't understand.

882
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Now what I found very interesting was in

883
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,760
doing research, it turns out that sort of paranormal investigation

884
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,519
was actually regarded the science in the Victorian times, and

885
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,239
it was actually something that there was a lot of

886
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,000
investigation into it. But as we moved out of the

887
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,559
sort of Victorian era, it became out of vogue there

888
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,639
and it then almost became ridiculed. So if you actually

889
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,280
look back to the sort of Victorian times and just

890
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,960
before then, it was actually treated as a serious science,

891
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,920
and it's a shame we kind of lost that curiosity

892
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,400
as it were.

893
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right there, it's something which is constan on

894
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,119
going a difference between paranormal and ghost All that is

895
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:34,239
something which is is ground level, isn't it? You know?

896
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
It's something that you can't go to and experience. Where's UFO?

897
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,519
Is it more tends to be by the off chat,

898
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,599
you know, it always catches you off guard, you never

899
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:45,360
expect it. Really, yes, but the connections are there, you know.

900
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,400
The guess I have on which have had these UFO

901
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,400
and counters and sometimes if they just went off. Other

902
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,199
times they can be something which has happened for for

903
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,599
decades and decades, and then when you start asking questions

904
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,119
about their own life the paranormal, they would say, yeah,

905
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,599
this happened and my mum, my mom was psychic. You

906
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,920
know my dad, you just experienced this find it goes

907
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,440
back several generations.

908
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think part of what we need

909
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,159
to try and do is not use sort of emotive

910
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,360
terms because if so, when I'm looking at a recess,

911
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,119
if somebody says they're psychic, then that immediately gets my

912
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,360
sort of backup in that it's a case of so

913
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,159
when you're saying psychic, what do you actually mean? There's

914
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,119
still different levels of what you can see. I mean,

915
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,639
certainly there's a case of if you are are sensitive

916
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,480
again're looking at taking in this sort of fourth dimensional

917
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,719
space times of element then maybe you're able to see

918
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,719
snippets of events or objects that are essentially out of time,

919
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,719
so you know, for example, there's been time slip events.

920
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,119
In fact, I actually had a well I'm not sure

921
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:54,320
you'd call it a time slip event, but seven years

922
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,320
ago I was traveling on the six. So the m

923
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,840
six for your sort of non UK viewers, is a

924
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
main sort of motor where that goes up from Birmingham

925
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,639
up through well across through the through the country, and

926
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,559
more often than not their accidents on that on that motorway.

927
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,599
And I was coming back from Crewe in the in

928
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:16,400
the afternoon and there was an accident and it closed

929
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,639
the motorway off for basically on two junctions, and they

930
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:22,960
all got put through the back roads, and I was

931
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,320
driving through the through the back road, and I had

932
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,079
sat Nav on and I got to a particular point

933
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,920
where basically there had been heavy traffic, and the traffic

934
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,599
sort of petered out and my sat nav basically suddenly

935
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,880
stopped working. And that's not uncommon because it could be

936
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,360
a just in case if you lost GPS signal. But

937
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,599
then what happened was I appeared to drive through some

938
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,360
quite dense fog and when I came through the fog,

939
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,239
what I looked. What I came to was a village

940
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:57,039
on a single road, but the buildings around were sort

941
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:01,760
of round stone buildings, so they looked very much like

942
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,079
they were from the sort of industrial revolution, the sort

943
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,360
of potteres. That's sort of because the potteries basically as

944
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,239
it sounds as where a lot of the pots are

945
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,519
made around Stoke, so that you know there's prevalence for

946
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,119
that around that area. And but it's a case of

947
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,400
the houses were very old, and there weren't street lights.

948
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:23,280
There were really old sort of lanterns across the road.

949
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,119
Didn't see anyone. It was very sort of foggy and

950
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:29,000
either terrible sense direction at the best of times, and

951
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,079
so I was trying to figure out what to do,

952
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,599
and I just drove down the roads, went through some

953
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:38,039
fog again and came out and then it was as

954
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:41,039
if I was back in the sort of the normal

955
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:44,400
world now when I looked back, so literally it was

956
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,280
like what it's like drove through a wall of fog.

957
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,079
When I looked back, there was no fog. And actually

958
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:51,800
I told my wife this when I got back, and

959
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,000
my wife loves to explore. I have spent a numerous

960
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,400
amount of weekends trying to drive around there, trying to

961
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,199
see what if find where it was, mainly because of

962
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,199
just interested in the architecture of the buildings, and as

963
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,960
a case of I haven't been able to find it.

964
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,679
Now you look at the rational explanation and what you'd

965
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,679
say is right, well, it was foggy, you were disorientated,

966
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,440
and maybe you're a bit tired. You have come across

967
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
an area that you don't recognize, and it's a case

968
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,400
of maybe you know, that's just the normal look for

969
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,320
the village, or you could argue that basically there was

970
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,159
some sort of time slip sort of event, wherefore, for

971
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,920
whatever reason, you were either in a different locations where

972
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,440
you were or whether you're in a different time I

973
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,320
genuinely don't know. Again, it's one of those things that

974
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,800
sounds almost crazy, but I've learned over the last twenty

975
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,039
five years that never did discount anything to look with

976
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,320
an open mind, you know, a very healthy amount of skepticism, obviously,

977
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,519
but that's all I can talk about. A sort of

978
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,360
personal experience I've had like that.

979
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,119
Speaker 2: How very interesting. It reminds me of a story from

980
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,559
nineteen thirty five and it was am I or Cervict Goddard,

981
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,119
and he believed he flew into a parallel universe by mistake.

982
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:09,360
When he was still a wing commander, Sir Godard was

983
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,159
instructed to inspect an inactive air base located in Drem

984
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,719
near Edinburgh, Scotland. While flying over it, so Godard found

985
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,360
the base to be in a very poor state with

986
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,559
cattle grazing on the wide grass. Found the air base

987
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,079
to be in a very poor state and was in

988
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:32,559
complete shambles. Later on, while flying his biplane, he got

989
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,000
into some trouble thanks to some very harsh weather conditions,

990
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,519
and to avoid an accident, so Godard decided to fly

991
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,239
back to the air base till the weather cleared a bit.

992
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:46,760
As he approached the air base, torrential rain oddly and

993
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,840
very abruptly gave way to bright sunshine. If that wasn't

994
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,639
odd enough, he noticed that the air base was in

995
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,960
mint condition and in use. He even spotted mechanics wearing

996
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:03,000
blue overall and working on yellow planes parked on a runway.

997
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,920
The planes weren't the ones in use by the Air

998
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,840
Force back then, in fact, so Godards even failed to

999
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,840
recognize one of them. It's funny because instant renovation of

1000
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,519
the place couldn't have been possible. And more importantly, these

1001
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:21,679
guys weren't wearing the khaki colored uniforms that were the

1002
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,639
norm then, and also the air Force painted all their

1003
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:29,920
planes in silver, not yellow. He was completely baffled by

1004
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,840
what was going on, and Godard got the shock of

1005
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,840
his life. Four years later, Europe was war torn and

1006
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,039
he happened to visit Durem again, but this time he

1007
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,800
saw everything he saw four years back in nineteen thirty five,

1008
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,199
the same people in blue overall service in yellow planes.

1009
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,880
A full on dj VU moment. He even actually found

1010
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
the plane he couldn't recognize before, and I think it

1011
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:59,440
was a Miles magister and the same You know, did

1012
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,400
Godard fly four years into the future or quite possibly

1013
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,599
simply confused about his location? Who knows?

1014
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's such a such a strange thing, isn't it.

1015
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,639
You know, it's one of those things it's very difficult

1016
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,800
to sort of to try and rationalize beause you think, wow,

1017
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,760
that's that can't that can't be right. But again, like

1018
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,280
I said, I think sometimes you just have to put

1019
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,559
that sort of personal skepticism to one side and go right, well,

1020
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:25,679
it is what it is. I have to see what

1021
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,440
I think I've seen.

1022
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,039
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you did.

1023
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Who knows. I mean, like I said, with that one person,

1024
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,159
like I said, you know, I like to take a

1025
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,920
healthy amount of skepticism and just say that maybe it

1026
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,679
was a case. So I was just disorientated. But like

1027
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:39,719
I said, there was there was just that strange element

1028
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,000
to it.

1029
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Good stuff, James, you know, I was. I started off

1030
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:48,159
in a paranormal group in Cheltenham. It was the Chatham

1031
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,679
psychle Research Group. It was we're all connected to Kensington.

1032
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,159
I got into UFOs because there was just simply nothing

1033
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:56,559
around the area. So I was I was doing I

1034
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,480
was going out and investigating and doing stuff. And I

1035
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:02,000
did Central News with Ken Goodwin. I don't know if

1036
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:02,800
you're familiar.

1037
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:04,719
Speaker 1: With this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely with him.

1038
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,079
Speaker 2: So and what what we did was it was more

1039
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,559
of a like a promotional thing. So we talk about

1040
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:10,920
a couple of cases and then we went up to

1041
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,559
the Cleve Hill just outside of Cheltenham. And this bearing

1042
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,480
in mind this was this was Ken's and the report

1043
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:18,960
was the idea that we were going to go up

1044
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,360
there and do like a mock SkyWatch, right, So we

1045
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,960
were doing this lifing on top of the hill and

1046
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,400
we were going to have this this sky watch that night,

1047
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,360
but we didn't. So when we've finished recording, we you know,

1048
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,440
we all went home and we had reports that there

1049
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,880
was hundreds of people all up on Cleve Hill expecting

1050
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,320
this sky watch. So we caused absolute chaos in Charltena.

1051
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,960
I think it was. I think it was a Wednesday

1052
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,320
of a Friday at but this is nineteen ninety four.

1053
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,039
I think it was.

1054
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, that's sky watches an interesting thing as well,

1055
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,559
because we're talking about one of the one of the

1056
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,480
the things I'm looking at is that when you get

1057
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,000
like minded people together and we talk about that sort

1058
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:02,440
of interconnectivity, and what we find is often we get

1059
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,079
a greater sort of range of experience. So I did

1060
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,599
a SkyWatch about three months ago in Canic Chase. Now

1061
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,000
Canic Chase is actually one the UK hotspots for UFO activity.

1062
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,719
And what we did was there was research. There was

1063
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,920
a SkyWatch with multiple EUFO groups and one of the

1064
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,320
things I did was it was actually an experiment and

1065
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,239
what I did was I did a I guess the

1066
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,000
best way to do it. The best way to describe

1067
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:29,400
it for you if your listeners, is that it was

1068
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,079
a meditation circle. So what happened was is I had

1069
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:35,400
thirty people in a circle, and what I did was

1070
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:40,280
I took them through a little journey. So basically I

1071
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,800
it errated a couple of scenarios for them where they

1072
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,440
were creating. So what I asked them to do is

1073
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,920
to create a positive image and then what I wanted

1074
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,960
them to do was to sort of put it into it.

1075
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:57,119
So I put it into a gift box and give

1076
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,880
it to the person next. And that again, believe me,

1077
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,840
I understand how how go back to that same woo

1078
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
how that sounds, But it was about what I was

1079
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,880
trying to do was trying to create a visualization which

1080
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,079
would basically focus the mind on sending out a positive message.

1081
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:14,360
So at the end of the at the end of

1082
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,199
the session, what I said is right, each person, what

1083
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:18,679
I'd like you to do is to say one positive

1084
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:21,320
thing to sort the sort of world around you to

1085
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,000
see whether we get anything back. And then about two

1086
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:27,440
hours later, there was about a fifteen minute period where

1087
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,719
we saw multiple objects in the sky. I mean, it was,

1088
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,840
it was amazing. It literally we had four or five

1089
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,199
objects that basically were there. There was a couple that

1090
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:41,239
were responding to flashes and stuff, and then one of

1091
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,400
them made this really big flashes. It was going past.

1092
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,960
I mean, we had with us, we had all the

1093
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,239
apps there to check for you know, you know, for

1094
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,239
what was there any air traffic in the area, was

1095
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,280
the ISS station around, what's the constellations in the area,

1096
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,239
was there any cloud cover? So we know we did

1097
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,159
that all sort of measurement stuff, but it was just

1098
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:58,480
that sort of two hours later. It was that sort

1099
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,440
of fifteen minutes of wow. That was amazing. And because

1100
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,599
we've got such a good response, I've been asked to

1101
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:06,559
it again. But what I've been very keen to tell

1102
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,760
people is, look, all this is is basically just a

1103
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:14,360
sort of technique. So I don't believe in the seven

1104
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,960
Greer C five types sort of approach, because what I'm

1105
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,800
saying is is that anybody can do this, Absolutely anybody

1106
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,079
can do this. Anyone that says nobody that you can't

1107
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,679
do it, then you know that's that's an element of

1108
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:30,119
self interest, and it's literally just about being open and

1109
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,440
believe it's the sort of power of intent. So you're saying, right, well,

1110
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,320
look is you know I have I have good intent.

1111
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,159
I just want to see is there anything else out

1112
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,360
there sort of thing, and you know, we've got that

1113
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,320
really good response. So I'm going to do the same

1114
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,360
thing on another couple of occasions just to see what

1115
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,320
sort of response we get. And then the more information

1116
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,159
we collect, you know, we can say, right, well, is

1117
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,519
this a Is this a viable form of getting a

1118
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,079
sort of response? We don't know, but it's certainly something

1119
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:57,039
we'd like to investigate.

1120
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,119
Speaker 2: Anyone can do it. You can just go out and

1121
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,280
you don't have to go into the desert or anything.

1122
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,320
You know, you can just do it in your backyard.

1123
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: That's it.

1124
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 2: Now you are still investigate in for the group.

1125
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And also my own sort of mon sort

1126
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,719
of web page as well. And so recently I got

1127
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,599
a American lady to she agreed to come on to

1128
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,039
just started a YouTube channel and she actually did a

1129
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:27,679
two part video about her experience, which started off with

1130
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,719
being a nine year old girl and her having a

1131
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,519
sort of an amount of missing time, which basically as

1132
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:39,800
she got older, she's obviously now grown up, she decided

1133
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,639
to go through hypnotic regression with one of the sort

1134
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:47,079
of one of the main American sort of hypno therapists

1135
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:50,639
that deals with this sort of area, and that was

1136
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:52,719
quite an interesting sort of experience.

1137
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,199
Speaker 2: So if people want to contact you, you know, maybe

1138
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,639
they're in the Birmingham area and they have to report

1139
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:00,239
to you, where can they contact to.

1140
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,159
Speaker 1: James right then? Okay, so well the website I'll spell

1141
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:09,519
it so it's it's www dot p A r A

1142
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,960
L n O I A dot co dot UK, so

1143
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,920
it's parilnoise. It's the words paranormal and paranoia. It was

1144
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:19,599
it was at the time of thinking it was because

1145
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,599
I was I going crazy or not, so that was

1146
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:24,159
the sort of birth of that. But it's a case

1147
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,159
if you if you go to the website there, then

1148
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,679
you've got access to all the different sort of channels,

1149
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,119
the Facebook pages there as well. So I've actually got

1150
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:34,320
a small Facebook group which people are more than welcome

1151
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,400
to to go to that Facebook group and add there

1152
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,039
and we try and have a good, healthy sort of conversation.

1153
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Now for all those dog walkers and people driving

1154
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,760
and don't have access to a pen, I will put

1155
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,079
James's links below on the website so you can reach

1156
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,760
out to James. James, I really appreciate you coming on

1157
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:54,960
and sharing that for our listeners.

1158
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: That's great. Thank you very much for having me. Really

1159
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,519
appreciate it.

1160
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: Okay, no problem, James, thanks again, talk to us.

1161
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: Bye bye.

1162
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: That is all for today. Keep updated and connected with

1163
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,840
this show on x Facebook and Instagram. And if you

1164
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,480
have an encounter that'd like to share on the podcast,

1165
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:15,519
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

1166
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:17,719
or you can reach out to me via the contact

1167
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,199
page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A

1168
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,039
big fanga to James for sharing tonight, and thank you

1169
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:29,119
all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,

1170
01:05:29,559 --> 01:06:00,280
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye sp