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Where Ever, if I lost the 22 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.960 terms conditions eighteen plus love. 23 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:13.319 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 24 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.439 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 25 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:23.799 written about them. Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 26 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.519 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 27 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:31.799 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 28 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.040 host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 29 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:50.200 Good evening, when Piper Strile failed to show up for work, 30 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.519 a coworker called her home. Piper's three and a half 31 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.040 year old daughter, Shana, answered and said a mean man 32 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.159 carried mummy away. Then the line went dead. In the 33 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.480 tranquil region of southeast South Dakota, word of the young 34 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.159 mother who was brazenly abducted from her home in broad 35 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:12.080 daylight shocked residence. Piper was the second woman to vanish 36 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.400 following the startling incident of a young woman who narrowly 37 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.520 escaped abduction by fighting for her life on a dark 38 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:23.319 and secluded highway. An intensive search by an elite team 39 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.719 of investigators uncovered a secret crime location, but the discovery 40 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.319 of a night shirt cut in half, a burnt candle, 41 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.439 and a home made bondage board revealed the chilling truth 42 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.759 behind the missing women. With the help of a quick 43 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:41.400 witted and street wise maximum security prison inmate prosecutor Larry 44 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.879 Long and his team were able to piece together the 45 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:50.159 sinister facts of the diabolical crimes. Best Selling authors Phil 46 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:54.240 and Sandy Hammond, along with former Attorney General Larry Long, 47 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.120 dive into the grim and demented world of Robert Leroy Anderson, 48 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.639 sexual sadist, rapist, and murderer. Duct Tape Killer is also 49 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.319 the story of perseverance in proof that love will not 50 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.879 be extinguished by the rudest evil that seeks to take 51 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.520 root in our world. The book that we're featuring this 52 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.479 evening is Duct Tape Killer, The true inside story of 53 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:24.240 sexual sadist and murderer Robert Leroy Anderson, with my special 54 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.599 guest journalists and authors Phil Hammond and Sandy Hammond. Welcome 55 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.840 to the program, and thank you very much for this interview. 56 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.080 Phil and Sandy Hammond. 57 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.719 Hi Dan, Hi Dan, thanks for having us on. 58 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.599 Thank you very much once again for joining us for 59 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.840 your brand new, incredible true crime thriller here, Duct Tape Killer. 60 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:51.680 Tell us how you both came to be involved with this, 61 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.479 What was the who was the connection that gave you 62 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.080 this incredible access to be able to write this duct 63 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.240 tape Killer. 64 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.360 Well, Dan, when we were going around speaking about our 65 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.159 other books, Get You Girl, and Gets You Girl, and Covered, 66 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:08.719 we had many people come up to us and say 67 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.280 you should do a book on Robert Leroy Anderson, and 68 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.360 often the name Larry Long came up. He prosecuted the case, 69 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.199 in fact, spent every day for two and a half 70 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.000 years working on this case and later became the South 71 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:27.959 Dakota Attorney General. So we kept having requests to do 72 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:33.360 a book, and we approached Judge Long and he agreed to. 73 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.000 We've had some discussions because we had a lot of 74 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.560 other people who wanted us to write their books, and 75 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.519 we ended up doing this story with him. 76 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:48.000 Now, Phil, let's go to July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety six, 77 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.279 and this Piper strile A Strilley. Pardon me, she doesn't 78 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.639 show up at work. Strilley, she doesn't show up at work, 79 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:02.800 and she's working at the Southeast Ment Health Outreach, and 80 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:08.079 so tell us what happens, just as a regular protocol 81 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.800 when she doesn't show up for the disabled mother and 82 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.360 son that she's working with and helping. So what happens 83 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.800 and what does the coworker do, and what does she encounter. 84 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.800 Well, Dan Piper was very responsible, very very diligent. She 85 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.519 never missed work, twenty seven years old, former high school 86 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.240 homecoming queen, just very dependable. So when she didn't show 87 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.399 up to help this disabled mother and son, they called 88 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:41.680 the mental health and disabled business where Piper worked, and 89 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.480 immediately one of the co workers didn't have good vibes. 90 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.120 Immediately she thought a car actent or some Piper would 91 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.680 just not come to work. So the co worker gets 92 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.959 on the phone and dials to strily residents. The phone 93 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.800 rings and rings and rings, and finally a little voice answers, 94 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.839 and it's Shana, Piper's three and a half year old, 95 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.720 and the coworker says, honey, is your mommy home? No? 96 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:05.240 Is your daddy home? 97 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:05.560 No? 98 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.560 Is there a baby seat of there? No, my mommy's 99 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.800 going to die, and she hangs up the phone. Now 100 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.800 the co worker's really alarmed. She immediately calls right back. 101 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.800 The phone rings and rings and rings. Chhana finally answers again, 102 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.160 and she said, I don't want mommy to die. I 103 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.839 don't want daddy to die. A mean man carried mommy 104 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:30.680 away and the line goes dead again. And then, of 105 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.720 course following that disturbing call. Authorities converge at the Striley 106 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.879 home and there is where McCook County Sheriff Jean Taylor, 107 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.720 who's the first on the scene, and shortly after a 108 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.079 special agent Jim Severson appears at the Striley home. 109 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.759 To give people a little visual of Sheriff Taylor. People 110 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.360 in the community often compared him to Andy Taylor from 111 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.360 the Andy Griffiths Show. He was just so kind and 112 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.360 so competent, and everybody loved him. He was the beloved 113 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.240 sheriff in the town. So he's the first person to 114 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.120 come across Shana, and then Shana had go ahead. 115 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.160 But you write that he is not given the same 116 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.120 information he's He doesn't know anything except just that there's 117 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.920 a child that has is in welfare issue, and so 118 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.120 he just goes there. He doesn't know about that phone call, 119 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:20.439 does he. 120 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.000 No, They just told him to check on the welfare 121 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.560 of little children at the home. They didn't give him 122 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.759 any details. When he walked in, Shana says the same 123 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.199 thing to him. She starts crying and says, my mommy's 124 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.000 going to die, And Jean Taylor asked her, is your 125 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.120 mommy in the hospital. She's sick? No, A mean man 126 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.720 in a black car carried mommy away, and she told 127 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:45.199 us to run and hide. Shana's little brother had just 128 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.600 turned to the day before. And then of course they 129 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.199 get a hold of Vance Riley, Piper's husband. He immediately 130 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:56.680 comes home, and of course now Shana explodes with information 131 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.040 for the investigators and her dad. He said, Dad, he 132 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.199 had he a mean man carried mommy away. He was 133 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.759 a loud noise and he took Nathan's playtent. The day 134 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:12.360 before when Nathan the little boy turned to the parents 135 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:16.879 gave him a little playtent, and that playtemp becomes very 136 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.079 important later on in this investigation. But Shane, of the 137 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.959 little girl, had just so focused that her little brother's 138 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.680 birthday present had been taken by this mean man who 139 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.879 carried her mother away. So that's where we're at at 140 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:31.360 this point. 141 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:39.200 Now, where does what does Vance remember after reconsidering when 142 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.360 he talks to the detective getting over this initial shock, obviously, 143 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:48.080 what does he recall considering what his daughter just had said. 144 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:51.840 Well, you know, he's he's pretty much in shock. He 145 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.320 doesn't know what to think. They set up a roadblock. 146 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.679 The Striley's lived in a on an acreage outside of 147 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.639 the city and so it was there was gravel roads 148 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.759 out there. They set up a roadblock and started stopping 149 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.639 people that were going by and asking if they saw 150 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:10.240 anything suspicious. The county road grader driver came by and 151 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.559 he said, yes, I saw something suspicious this morning. There 152 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.200 was a black vehicle. There was a black Bronco actually 153 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.120 black rims, black vehicle and as it was driving towards me, 154 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.679 it suddenly made a stop, went down to the ditch. 155 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.320 Maybe you turned and went sped off in the other direction. 156 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.039 I thought it was very unusual. And so now with 157 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.159 Shane as saying a man in a black car took 158 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.159 mommy away, the road grader driver saying that he saw 159 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.240 a suspicious car turn around and roar away from him, 160 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.519 and then Vance remembered the friday before Piper went missing. 161 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.679 The Striliers were running a Bible camp Dan for your listeners. 162 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.600 They were running. They were very Christian people. They were 163 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.759 running a day camp for day daycare kids and they 164 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.039 would even have wooden pew set up out for per 165 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.000 service out in their front yard. And a man stopped 166 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.080 in a black Bronco with black rims and came up 167 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.399 to the door and wanted information about the Bible camp. 168 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.960 But Vance remembered this guy was acting strange, like he 169 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.919 was surprised to see a man answer the door, and 170 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:15.279 he kind of figited around. 171 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.759 And then Van remembered the guy's name, and he remembered 172 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.960 the man had said his name was Robert Anderson. And 173 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.879 the reason is Vance knew someone by the same name. 174 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.679 That's how he remembered his name. And so up to 175 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.679 that point they really had nothing to go on. They 176 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.399 knew it was a Black Bronco, and they ran a 177 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.960 check on that through the the Department of Motor Vehicles, 178 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:42.000 but thousands of Black Broncos came up throughout the state, 179 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.159 so they just couldn't get a grip on anything. They 180 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.440 had no clues to go by and tell Vance remembered 181 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.440 that man's name, then they could go ahead and run 182 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.480 the name through the Department of Motor Vehicle along with 183 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.159 the Black Bronco and again, Robert Anderson. It's such a 184 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.960 common name. They still got lots of names. 185 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.440 And we can go on with this part of the story. 186 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:06.799 We can switch gear damn as we do in the book. 187 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.919 At this point, Yes, go ahead, Manski's Yes, introduce. 188 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:16.720 Your listeners at this point in the book, for your listeners, 189 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.879 we switch because you're going to find this is all 190 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.600 going to be coming intertwined. We know what happened to 191 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.879 Piper now she disappeared. We know the investigators they're trying 192 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.919 to focus on a black vehicle, especially a black Bronco. 193 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.799 But now we flash to the early nineteen nineties. Bill 194 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.240 and Larissa Domanski, along with their two daughters, had left 195 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.559 the country of Ukraine. They were Christian Dalfield and they 196 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.159 were being persecuted in that country. So they wanted to 197 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.720 come to the United States for religious freedom and of 198 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.240 better life. And so they got job working at a 199 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.200 local meatpacking plan. Good money, good jobs, and so their 200 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.679 life were really going in the right direction. But on 201 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.720 the morning of August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety four, Larissa 202 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.879 else to come home from work. Well, her husband Bill 203 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.840 goes looking for and he finds her keys dangling in 204 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.120 the driver's side door and a flat and tire on 205 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:15.480 her vehicle. So now there's an extensive search for Larissa Domanski, 206 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.000 a very young pretty woman who had come to this 207 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.240 country from the Ukraine with her family. And the extensive 208 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:27.559 investigation searched by multitude of people in the community. It 209 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:28.679 all goes cold. 210 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.120 And the name of the place where she worked is 211 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:34.320 morel meatpacking plant. In the area, people call it Morel's. 212 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.759 It's very well known and that will be important and 213 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:38.480 a little bit here too, and. 214 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:43.480 That's where she disappeared, from the Morel's parking lot. And 215 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:44.960 there is an act in the book. 216 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:50.039 Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you talk about the once she disappears, 217 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:55.600 the incredible search that Bill is involved with to look 218 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.240 for her. Tell us about that. 219 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.919 Yes, his He had a very close church. They were 220 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:08.120 very dedicated. They spent their holiday weekend making flyers, bringing 221 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.799 them around. They made up cards to bring to hunting 222 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.799 stores because they knew that hunting season would be coming up. 223 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.840 People would be going through hunters would be going through field. 224 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:23.080 They knocked on doors, they put up flyers. They of course, 225 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.840 there were search teams involved with this too, and they 226 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:30.200 were looking all over the city. They even investigated the 227 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.039 circus because the circus had been in town that weekend. 228 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.879 They looked through They were searching for a needle in 229 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.679 a haystack. They looked at everything they could. They even 230 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:40.320 talked to. 231 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:46.600 Sky yes and looked for places. 232 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.600 Where someone could have dumped a body. They were looking 233 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.600 for places with easy access that were also hidden out 234 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.200 of the way. And after a while the case just 235 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.080 went cold. They found nothing. They interview viewed hundreds of 236 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.080 people at Lariss's work. There's something like three thousand employees 237 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.440 who worked there. They narrowed it down to one hundred. 238 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.480 They interviewed some of those people several several times. They 239 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:13.679 found nothing. 240 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.840 Now this case goes cold. And you talk about Vance 241 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.240 Strilley leaving South Dakota at some point and interested in 242 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.240 is a seminary and planned to be an ordained minister 243 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:36.519 and lead a church someday tell us about Vance Strial 244 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:41.360 and the Strilley Pardon me, and how these two cases 245 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.080 and these people intertwine as you say. 246 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:52.720 Okay, So Vance and Piper actually met at Bible College. 247 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.639 That was where they found each other. They both wanted 248 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.480 to go into the ministry. Piper and ended up going 249 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:05.679 into education. Vance continued with the ministry. They had bought 250 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.440 that piece of land that was out in the country, 251 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.399 that acreage that we had talked about, because they wanted 252 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.440 to start their own church. They started out with a 253 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.679 Bible camp and a small handful of people in their congregation. 254 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.000 It was outside sty had an archery range, a swimming hole, 255 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.320 some things like that to make it attractive to people. 256 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.759 They had actually just purchased an old church and they 257 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:30.879 had the papers. They were going to sign that deed 258 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:32.919 and take over this church, have it moved on to 259 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.159 their land and start a church together. 260 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:43.159 And then Piper goes missing, along with Larissa Domanski from 261 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:49.080 the Moral parking lot. Now the investigators are back at 262 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.519 the Strillys, but no one's put it together yet. 263 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.039 They haven't connected the two cases yet. 264 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.240 Not quite yet, but they something is not right with 265 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:02.200 this whole situation. The whole focus now is on this 266 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.639 black vehicle, with the little girl saying a black vehicle, 267 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.240 the road grader saying he sought a suspicious black bronco 268 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.639 band from remembering a strange man coming by the name 269 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:16.759 of Robert Anderson. So we go back to the Striley residence. 270 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.159 On the day that Piper goes missing, it's nearly three 271 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:24.159 o'clock in the morning. Now the next day, the investigator's 272 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.840 still out there. They run checks and they get a 273 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.879 name of a Ruth Anderson and a phone number. Well, 274 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.440 one of the investigators, very sneakily and slickly comes up 275 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.080 with a it's three in the morning. They're going to 276 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:41.759 call and tell this Ruth Anderson a story and try 277 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.039 to get some information out of her. So they ring 278 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.600 the phone and finally this groggy woman answers, and the 279 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.240 investigator says, Hey, I'm an over the road trucker. I 280 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:52.240 hate to call it this time, but I'm looking to 281 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.240 buy a car from a Robert Anderson. Is he Are 282 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.320 you related to him? And she said, that's my son, 283 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.399 Robert Anderson, but he's work in the night ship at 284 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.559 the Morel's Meat Plaquie packing plants. And then things started 285 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.799 to click with the investigators. Something had to be connected 286 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:09.440 with these things. 287 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.839 When they heard Morel's they immediately thought of Larissa Domanski 288 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:14.480 disappearing two years before. 289 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:20.799 Yeah, now what do they do? They go to Morel's, 290 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:24.720 they ask him for an interview. What does his response? 291 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.279 He agrees, he's very cocky Dan. He voluntarily agrees to 292 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.400 come down and be interviewed. No lawyer, no. 293 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.279 Nothing, and he plays this cat and mouse game with them. 294 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.200 The part with his first interview is very interesting, but 295 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.519 it's also very lengthy and involved. But to kind of 296 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:51.400 sum it up, they figure that he had researched interrogation 297 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.119 techniques because he would act like he was almost ready 298 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.759 to tell them what happened. They said. He would lead 299 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:01.319 them up to the door, and then he'd back away. 300 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:04.839 He wouldn't tell them that last piece of information that 301 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:09.759 they needed. He kept almost making himself guilty, and then 302 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.279 he'd pull away. Sometimes he'd switched the topic and he'd 303 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.599 talk about black holes, or how he was developing his own. 304 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.839 Theory of light and science and all kinds of stuff 305 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.680 like that. Yes, but at this point in the book, 306 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:30.200 Dan we introduced special agent Bob grand Prix, who had 307 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:34.440 extensive experience questioning sex offenders, and he got his cracket 308 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.160 interview in Anderson. He said, right away he got bad 309 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.200 vibes about this guy. The hair on the back of 310 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:41.599 his neck stood up. He had enough experience to know 311 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.480 this guy was off. So he gets Anderson to talk 312 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:50.200 in third person. Well, Robert, if somebody would have kidnapped Piper, 313 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.400 what would they do with her? And he said At 314 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.920 that point, Anderson perked up on the edge of his chair, 315 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.119 a gleam one in his eyes, and he wanted to 316 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:00.799 start talking about what somebody would have done to Piper 317 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.519 had they abducted them. He starts talking about bizarre sacks, 318 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.519 and Grand Prix said, you could tell the guy was 319 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.559 getting stimulated by just talking about this stuff. 320 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.720 Try Anderson, it was an obsession. When he was given 321 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:18.079 the opportunity to talk, he couldn't resist. He literally couldn't resist. 322 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.240 When you ask, when he's asked about the things that 323 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.039 the police already know, you say that he likely read 324 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.000 something about a book about interrogation and the techniques used. 325 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:34.440 What does he do and what does he admit to 326 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.440 and what does he not admit to? In this again, 327 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:41.960 this wily conversation between he and police. 328 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.720 He won't admit to anything Dan, but he talks him 329 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.440 third person about Piper being probably taken as a sex 330 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:55.440 slave or tied down and used it for a bondage slave, 331 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:57.640 and all kinds of rope bizarre things. 332 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.799 And then finally they asked him was he ever out 333 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.440 at Piper's. No, he'd driven by it. And then they 334 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.440 came back with they let him paint himself in a 335 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.960 corner a little bit, and they came back with, well, 336 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.039 why would somebody tell us they saw you there? Oh, 337 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.240 he remembered he had pulled in the driveway. But then 338 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.039 it looked like there wasn't anybody home. He backed out. 339 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.119 Then a little later they said, well, why would we 340 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:26.200 find your fingerprints on the door, and I don't believe 341 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.799 they had, and he said, oh, that's right, I knocked. Well, 342 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.759 at that point he put himself at the murder scene 343 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.599 and that's when they were able to get their warrants 344 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.279 and so, yeah, but he finally made one mistake. 345 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.799 You talk about the warrants, but also they referred to 346 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.440 a ninety four DMV photo and with that photo they 347 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.119 went to the two witnesses, Vance and Shana. What was 348 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.279 the result of them looking at this photo lineup from police. 349 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.920 Yeah, they took his driver's license and they and they 350 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.519 got other drivers with people that looked similar to Robert Anderson, 351 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:05.240 and they showed it to Vance Striley and they showed 352 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.480 it to little Shana. They laid it out, but at 353 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:09.839 that point, neither one of them could pick out Robert 354 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.720 Anderson as a person that came to their house or 355 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.000 the mean man that carried her mommy away. 356 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.359 And then during the interview they started to think, you know, 357 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.680 he doesn't really look like his driver's license photo anymore. 358 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.319 His hair had started to receive and he just looked different. 359 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.400 Yeah, So then they took a photograph of him, okay, 360 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:35.680 But and then they showed that the new photo lineup 361 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.720 to little Shana, who did pick him out as a 362 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.559 mean man that carried her mother away, and vance identified 363 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:45.119 him as a strange man that the Friday had come 364 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.039 knocking on their door wanting information about the Bible camps. 365 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:51.279 And of course they showed it to them separately, and 366 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.720 with Shane, I think this is kind of ingenious. She's 367 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.079 so young. They didn't show her a page of a 368 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.480 photo lineup like they would to an adult. They had 369 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.240 each picture individually, and they showed it to her one 370 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.680 at a time, like a deck of cards, and she 371 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.680 picked out Anderson and then. 372 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.759 You know, but he wouldn't give them anything, of course. 373 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.960 And at this point we also switched back again because 374 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.160 it was a situation. On November night in nineteen ninety four, 375 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.759 just a few months after Larissa Domanski vanage from the 376 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.680 Morels parking lot, there was a pretty young woman, a 377 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.799 business woman by the name of Amy Anderson, no relation 378 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:32.440 to Robert Anderson, of course, and she was in town 379 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.920 visiting a friend. And as she's driving back home to 380 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.440 a small town about fifteen miles outside of Sioux Falls, 381 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:44.839 South Dakota, a car is driving right on her bumper. 382 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.759 Her rear bumper head lights are right shining in her car. 383 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.799 The car passes her and it's two men in a 384 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.680 vehicle and they looked at the two women and then 385 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.480 they go in front of them. They slowed out. So 386 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.440 Amy Anderson on the dark road, pulled around and tries 387 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.079 to pass that vehicle. The vehicle tailgates again and then 388 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.799 goes around the two women for a second time and 389 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.119 goes up over the hill. Now, as Amy Anderson continues 390 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:12.680 to drive, all of a sudden, she hits something in 391 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.039 the road. A metallic thud clunks underneath her vehicle. Well, 392 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:19.559 she takes her friend home a few miles later, drops 393 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.680 her off, and then she's gonna proceed back home. And 394 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:27.160 as she's driving along, it's apparent that her tire is 395 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.240 going flat. She's hit something that's made her tire go flat. 396 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:35.640 She pulls over, and a minute or so later, sure enough, 397 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.279 here comes that same car that had tailgated her when 398 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.799 she was taking her friend home. Pulls over. A man 399 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.920 gets out. He's got a baseball cap on a little 400 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.759 bit of facial hair, and she assumes he's a good 401 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.039