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Speaker 5: Good evening, when Piper Strile failed to show up for work,
Speaker 5: a coworker called her home. Piper's three and a half
Speaker 5: year old daughter, Shana, answered and said a mean man
Speaker 5: carried mummy away. Then the line went dead. In the
Speaker 5: tranquil region of southeast South Dakota, word of the young
Speaker 5: mother who was brazenly abducted from her home in broad
Speaker 5: daylight shocked residence. Piper was the second woman to vanish
Speaker 5: following the startling incident of a young woman who narrowly
Speaker 5: escaped abduction by fighting for her life on a dark
Speaker 5: and secluded highway. An intensive search by an elite team
Speaker 5: of investigators uncovered a secret crime location, but the discovery
Speaker 5: of a night shirt cut in half, a burnt candle,
Speaker 5: and a home made bondage board revealed the chilling truth
Speaker 5: behind the missing women. With the help of a quick
Speaker 5: witted and street wise maximum security prison inmate prosecutor Larry
Speaker 5: Long and his team were able to piece together the
Speaker 5: sinister facts of the diabolical crimes. Best Selling authors Phil
Speaker 5: and Sandy Hammond, along with former Attorney General Larry Long,
Speaker 5: dive into the grim and demented world of Robert Leroy Anderson,
Speaker 5: sexual sadist, rapist, and murderer. Duct Tape Killer is also
Speaker 5: the story of perseverance in proof that love will not
Speaker 5: be extinguished by the rudest evil that seeks to take
Speaker 5: root in our world. The book that we're featuring this
Speaker 5: evening is Duct Tape Killer, The true inside story of
Speaker 5: sexual sadist and murderer Robert Leroy Anderson, with my special
Speaker 5: guest journalists and authors Phil Hammond and Sandy Hammond. Welcome
Speaker 5: to the program, and thank you very much for this interview.
Speaker 5: Phil and Sandy Hammond.
Speaker 6: Hi Dan, Hi Dan, thanks for having us on.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much once again for joining us for
Speaker 5: your brand new, incredible true crime thriller here, Duct Tape Killer.
Speaker 5: Tell us how you both came to be involved with this,
Speaker 5: What was the who was the connection that gave you
Speaker 5: this incredible access to be able to write this duct
Speaker 5: tape Killer.
Speaker 7: Well, Dan, when we were going around speaking about our
Speaker 7: other books, Get You Girl, and Gets You Girl, and Covered,
Speaker 7: we had many people come up to us and say
Speaker 7: you should do a book on Robert Leroy Anderson, and
Speaker 7: often the name Larry Long came up. He prosecuted the case,
Speaker 7: in fact, spent every day for two and a half
Speaker 7: years working on this case and later became the South
Speaker 7: Dakota Attorney General. So we kept having requests to do
Speaker 7: a book, and we approached Judge Long and he agreed to.
Speaker 7: We've had some discussions because we had a lot of
Speaker 7: other people who wanted us to write their books, and
Speaker 7: we ended up doing this story with him.
Speaker 5: Now, Phil, let's go to July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 5: and this Piper strile A Strilley. Pardon me, she doesn't
Speaker 5: show up at work. Strilley, she doesn't show up at work,
Speaker 5: and she's working at the Southeast Ment Health Outreach, and
Speaker 5: so tell us what happens, just as a regular protocol
Speaker 5: when she doesn't show up for the disabled mother and
Speaker 5: son that she's working with and helping. So what happens
Speaker 5: and what does the coworker do, and what does she encounter.
Speaker 6: Well, Dan Piper was very responsible, very very diligent. She
Speaker 6: never missed work, twenty seven years old, former high school
Speaker 6: homecoming queen, just very dependable. So when she didn't show
Speaker 6: up to help this disabled mother and son, they called
Speaker 6: the mental health and disabled business where Piper worked, and
Speaker 6: immediately one of the co workers didn't have good vibes.
Speaker 6: Immediately she thought a car actent or some Piper would
Speaker 6: just not come to work. So the co worker gets
Speaker 6: on the phone and dials to strily residents. The phone
Speaker 6: rings and rings and rings, and finally a little voice answers,
Speaker 6: and it's Shana, Piper's three and a half year old,
Speaker 6: and the coworker says, honey, is your mommy home? No?
Speaker 6: Is your daddy home?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Is there a baby seat of there? No, my mommy's
Speaker 6: going to die, and she hangs up the phone. Now
Speaker 6: the co worker's really alarmed. She immediately calls right back.
Speaker 6: The phone rings and rings and rings. Chhana finally answers again,
Speaker 6: and she said, I don't want mommy to die. I
Speaker 6: don't want daddy to die. A mean man carried mommy
Speaker 6: away and the line goes dead again. And then, of
Speaker 6: course following that disturbing call. Authorities converge at the Striley
Speaker 6: home and there is where McCook County Sheriff Jean Taylor,
Speaker 6: who's the first on the scene, and shortly after a
Speaker 6: special agent Jim Severson appears at the Striley home.
Speaker 7: To give people a little visual of Sheriff Taylor. People
Speaker 7: in the community often compared him to Andy Taylor from
Speaker 7: the Andy Griffiths Show. He was just so kind and
Speaker 7: so competent, and everybody loved him. He was the beloved
Speaker 7: sheriff in the town. So he's the first person to
Speaker 7: come across Shana, and then Shana had go ahead.
Speaker 5: But you write that he is not given the same
Speaker 5: information he's He doesn't know anything except just that there's
Speaker 5: a child that has is in welfare issue, and so
Speaker 5: he just goes there. He doesn't know about that phone call,
Speaker 5: does he.
Speaker 6: No, They just told him to check on the welfare
Speaker 6: of little children at the home. They didn't give him
Speaker 6: any details. When he walked in, Shana says the same
Speaker 6: thing to him. She starts crying and says, my mommy's
Speaker 6: going to die, And Jean Taylor asked her, is your
Speaker 6: mommy in the hospital. She's sick? No, A mean man
Speaker 6: in a black car carried mommy away, and she told
Speaker 6: us to run and hide. Shana's little brother had just
Speaker 6: turned to the day before. And then of course they
Speaker 6: get a hold of Vance Riley, Piper's husband. He immediately
Speaker 6: comes home, and of course now Shana explodes with information
Speaker 6: for the investigators and her dad. He said, Dad, he
Speaker 6: had he a mean man carried mommy away. He was
Speaker 6: a loud noise and he took Nathan's playtent. The day
Speaker 6: before when Nathan the little boy turned to the parents
Speaker 6: gave him a little playtent, and that playtemp becomes very
Speaker 6: important later on in this investigation. But Shane, of the
Speaker 6: little girl, had just so focused that her little brother's
Speaker 6: birthday present had been taken by this mean man who
Speaker 6: carried her mother away. So that's where we're at at
Speaker 6: this point.
Speaker 5: Now, where does what does Vance remember after reconsidering when
Speaker 5: he talks to the detective getting over this initial shock, obviously,
Speaker 5: what does he recall considering what his daughter just had said.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, he's he's pretty much in shock. He
Speaker 6: doesn't know what to think. They set up a roadblock.
Speaker 6: The Striley's lived in a on an acreage outside of
Speaker 6: the city and so it was there was gravel roads
Speaker 6: out there. They set up a roadblock and started stopping
Speaker 6: people that were going by and asking if they saw
Speaker 6: anything suspicious. The county road grader driver came by and
Speaker 6: he said, yes, I saw something suspicious this morning. There
Speaker 6: was a black vehicle. There was a black Bronco actually
Speaker 6: black rims, black vehicle and as it was driving towards me,
Speaker 6: it suddenly made a stop, went down to the ditch.
Speaker 6: Maybe you turned and went sped off in the other direction.
Speaker 6: I thought it was very unusual. And so now with
Speaker 6: Shane as saying a man in a black car took
Speaker 6: mommy away, the road grader driver saying that he saw
Speaker 6: a suspicious car turn around and roar away from him,
Speaker 6: and then Vance remembered the friday before Piper went missing.
Speaker 6: The Striliers were running a Bible camp Dan for your listeners.
Speaker 6: They were running. They were very Christian people. They were
Speaker 6: running a day camp for day daycare kids and they
Speaker 6: would even have wooden pew set up out for per
Speaker 6: service out in their front yard. And a man stopped
Speaker 6: in a black Bronco with black rims and came up
Speaker 6: to the door and wanted information about the Bible camp.
Speaker 6: But Vance remembered this guy was acting strange, like he
Speaker 6: was surprised to see a man answer the door, and
Speaker 6: he kind of figited around.
Speaker 7: And then Van remembered the guy's name, and he remembered
Speaker 7: the man had said his name was Robert Anderson. And
Speaker 7: the reason is Vance knew someone by the same name.
Speaker 7: That's how he remembered his name. And so up to
Speaker 7: that point they really had nothing to go on. They
Speaker 7: knew it was a Black Bronco, and they ran a
Speaker 7: check on that through the the Department of Motor Vehicles,
Speaker 7: but thousands of Black Broncos came up throughout the state,
Speaker 7: so they just couldn't get a grip on anything. They
Speaker 7: had no clues to go by and tell Vance remembered
Speaker 7: that man's name, then they could go ahead and run
Speaker 7: the name through the Department of Motor Vehicle along with
Speaker 7: the Black Bronco and again, Robert Anderson. It's such a
Speaker 7: common name. They still got lots of names.
Speaker 6: And we can go on with this part of the story.
Speaker 6: We can switch gear damn as we do in the book.
Speaker 5: At this point, Yes, go ahead, Manski's Yes, introduce.
Speaker 6: Your listeners at this point in the book, for your listeners,
Speaker 6: we switch because you're going to find this is all
Speaker 6: going to be coming intertwined. We know what happened to
Speaker 6: Piper now she disappeared. We know the investigators they're trying
Speaker 6: to focus on a black vehicle, especially a black Bronco.
Speaker 6: But now we flash to the early nineteen nineties. Bill
Speaker 6: and Larissa Domanski, along with their two daughters, had left
Speaker 6: the country of Ukraine. They were Christian Dalfield and they
Speaker 6: were being persecuted in that country. So they wanted to
Speaker 6: come to the United States for religious freedom and of
Speaker 6: better life. And so they got job working at a
Speaker 6: local meatpacking plan. Good money, good jobs, and so their
Speaker 6: life were really going in the right direction. But on
Speaker 6: the morning of August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety four, Larissa
Speaker 6: else to come home from work. Well, her husband Bill
Speaker 6: goes looking for and he finds her keys dangling in
Speaker 6: the driver's side door and a flat and tire on
Speaker 6: her vehicle. So now there's an extensive search for Larissa Domanski,
Speaker 6: a very young pretty woman who had come to this
Speaker 6: country from the Ukraine with her family. And the extensive
Speaker 6: investigation searched by multitude of people in the community. It
Speaker 6: all goes cold.
Speaker 7: And the name of the place where she worked is
Speaker 7: morel meatpacking plant. In the area, people call it Morel's.
Speaker 7: It's very well known and that will be important and
Speaker 7: a little bit here too, and.
Speaker 6: That's where she disappeared, from the Morel's parking lot. And
Speaker 6: there is an act in the book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you talk about the once she disappears,
Speaker 5: the incredible search that Bill is involved with to look
Speaker 5: for her. Tell us about that.
Speaker 7: Yes, his He had a very close church. They were
Speaker 7: very dedicated. They spent their holiday weekend making flyers, bringing
Speaker 7: them around. They made up cards to bring to hunting
Speaker 7: stores because they knew that hunting season would be coming up.
Speaker 7: People would be going through hunters would be going through field.
Speaker 7: They knocked on doors, they put up flyers. They of course,
Speaker 7: there were search teams involved with this too, and they
Speaker 7: were looking all over the city. They even investigated the
Speaker 7: circus because the circus had been in town that weekend.
Speaker 7: They looked through They were searching for a needle in
Speaker 7: a haystack. They looked at everything they could. They even
Speaker 7: talked to.
Speaker 6: Sky yes and looked for places.
Speaker 7: Where someone could have dumped a body. They were looking
Speaker 7: for places with easy access that were also hidden out
Speaker 7: of the way. And after a while the case just
Speaker 7: went cold. They found nothing. They interview viewed hundreds of
Speaker 7: people at Lariss's work. There's something like three thousand employees
Speaker 7: who worked there. They narrowed it down to one hundred.
Speaker 7: They interviewed some of those people several several times. They
Speaker 7: found nothing.
Speaker 5: Now this case goes cold. And you talk about Vance
Speaker 5: Strilley leaving South Dakota at some point and interested in
Speaker 5: is a seminary and planned to be an ordained minister
Speaker 5: and lead a church someday tell us about Vance Strial
Speaker 5: and the Strilley Pardon me, and how these two cases
Speaker 5: and these people intertwine as you say.
Speaker 7: Okay, So Vance and Piper actually met at Bible College.
Speaker 7: That was where they found each other. They both wanted
Speaker 7: to go into the ministry. Piper and ended up going
Speaker 7: into education. Vance continued with the ministry. They had bought
Speaker 7: that piece of land that was out in the country,
Speaker 7: that acreage that we had talked about, because they wanted
Speaker 7: to start their own church. They started out with a
Speaker 7: Bible camp and a small handful of people in their congregation.
Speaker 7: It was outside sty had an archery range, a swimming hole,
Speaker 7: some things like that to make it attractive to people.
Speaker 7: They had actually just purchased an old church and they
Speaker 7: had the papers. They were going to sign that deed
Speaker 7: and take over this church, have it moved on to
Speaker 7: their land and start a church together.
Speaker 6: And then Piper goes missing, along with Larissa Domanski from
Speaker 6: the Moral parking lot. Now the investigators are back at
Speaker 6: the Strillys, but no one's put it together yet.
Speaker 7: They haven't connected the two cases yet.
Speaker 6: Not quite yet, but they something is not right with
Speaker 6: this whole situation. The whole focus now is on this
Speaker 6: black vehicle, with the little girl saying a black vehicle,
Speaker 6: the road grader saying he sought a suspicious black bronco
Speaker 6: band from remembering a strange man coming by the name
Speaker 6: of Robert Anderson. So we go back to the Striley residence.
Speaker 6: On the day that Piper goes missing, it's nearly three
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning. Now the next day, the investigator's
Speaker 6: still out there. They run checks and they get a
Speaker 6: name of a Ruth Anderson and a phone number. Well,
Speaker 6: one of the investigators, very sneakily and slickly comes up
Speaker 6: with a it's three in the morning. They're going to
Speaker 6: call and tell this Ruth Anderson a story and try
Speaker 6: to get some information out of her. So they ring
Speaker 6: the phone and finally this groggy woman answers, and the
Speaker 6: investigator says, Hey, I'm an over the road trucker. I
Speaker 6: hate to call it this time, but I'm looking to
Speaker 6: buy a car from a Robert Anderson. Is he Are
Speaker 6: you related to him? And she said, that's my son,
Speaker 6: Robert Anderson, but he's work in the night ship at
Speaker 6: the Morel's Meat Plaquie packing plants. And then things started
Speaker 6: to click with the investigators. Something had to be connected
Speaker 6: with these things.
Speaker 7: When they heard Morel's they immediately thought of Larissa Domanski
Speaker 7: disappearing two years before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now what do they do? They go to Morel's,
Speaker 5: they ask him for an interview. What does his response?
Speaker 6: He agrees, he's very cocky Dan. He voluntarily agrees to
Speaker 6: come down and be interviewed. No lawyer, no.
Speaker 7: Nothing, and he plays this cat and mouse game with them.
Speaker 7: The part with his first interview is very interesting, but
Speaker 7: it's also very lengthy and involved. But to kind of
Speaker 7: sum it up, they figure that he had researched interrogation
Speaker 7: techniques because he would act like he was almost ready
Speaker 7: to tell them what happened. They said. He would lead
Speaker 7: them up to the door, and then he'd back away.
Speaker 7: He wouldn't tell them that last piece of information that
Speaker 7: they needed. He kept almost making himself guilty, and then
Speaker 7: he'd pull away. Sometimes he'd switched the topic and he'd
Speaker 7: talk about black holes, or how he was developing his own.
Speaker 6: Theory of light and science and all kinds of stuff
Speaker 6: like that. Yes, but at this point in the book,
Speaker 6: Dan we introduced special agent Bob grand Prix, who had
Speaker 6: extensive experience questioning sex offenders, and he got his cracket
Speaker 6: interview in Anderson. He said, right away he got bad
Speaker 6: vibes about this guy. The hair on the back of
Speaker 6: his neck stood up. He had enough experience to know
Speaker 6: this guy was off. So he gets Anderson to talk
Speaker 6: in third person. Well, Robert, if somebody would have kidnapped Piper,
Speaker 6: what would they do with her? And he said At
Speaker 6: that point, Anderson perked up on the edge of his chair,
Speaker 6: a gleam one in his eyes, and he wanted to
Speaker 6: start talking about what somebody would have done to Piper
Speaker 6: had they abducted them. He starts talking about bizarre sacks,
Speaker 6: and Grand Prix said, you could tell the guy was
Speaker 6: getting stimulated by just talking about this stuff.
Speaker 7: Try Anderson, it was an obsession. When he was given
Speaker 7: the opportunity to talk, he couldn't resist. He literally couldn't resist.
Speaker 5: When you ask, when he's asked about the things that
Speaker 5: the police already know, you say that he likely read
Speaker 5: something about a book about interrogation and the techniques used.
Speaker 5: What does he do and what does he admit to
Speaker 5: and what does he not admit to? In this again,
Speaker 5: this wily conversation between he and police.
Speaker 6: He won't admit to anything Dan, but he talks him
Speaker 6: third person about Piper being probably taken as a sex
Speaker 6: slave or tied down and used it for a bondage slave,
Speaker 6: and all kinds of rope bizarre things.
Speaker 7: And then finally they asked him was he ever out
Speaker 7: at Piper's. No, he'd driven by it. And then they
Speaker 7: came back with they let him paint himself in a
Speaker 7: corner a little bit, and they came back with, well,
Speaker 7: why would somebody tell us they saw you there? Oh,
Speaker 7: he remembered he had pulled in the driveway. But then
Speaker 7: it looked like there wasn't anybody home. He backed out.
Speaker 7: Then a little later they said, well, why would we
Speaker 7: find your fingerprints on the door, and I don't believe
Speaker 7: they had, and he said, oh, that's right, I knocked. Well,
Speaker 7: at that point he put himself at the murder scene
Speaker 7: and that's when they were able to get their warrants
Speaker 7: and so, yeah, but he finally made one mistake.
Speaker 5: You talk about the warrants, but also they referred to
Speaker 5: a ninety four DMV photo and with that photo they
Speaker 5: went to the two witnesses, Vance and Shana. What was
Speaker 5: the result of them looking at this photo lineup from police.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they took his driver's license and they and they
Speaker 6: got other drivers with people that looked similar to Robert Anderson,
Speaker 6: and they showed it to Vance Striley and they showed
Speaker 6: it to little Shana. They laid it out, but at
Speaker 6: that point, neither one of them could pick out Robert
Speaker 6: Anderson as a person that came to their house or
Speaker 6: the mean man that carried her mommy away.
Speaker 7: And then during the interview they started to think, you know,
Speaker 7: he doesn't really look like his driver's license photo anymore.
Speaker 7: His hair had started to receive and he just looked different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So then they took a photograph of him, okay,
Speaker 6: But and then they showed that the new photo lineup
Speaker 6: to little Shana, who did pick him out as a
Speaker 6: mean man that carried her mother away, and vance identified
Speaker 6: him as a strange man that the Friday had come
Speaker 6: knocking on their door wanting information about the Bible camps.
Speaker 7: And of course they showed it to them separately, and
Speaker 7: with Shane, I think this is kind of ingenious. She's
Speaker 7: so young. They didn't show her a page of a
Speaker 7: photo lineup like they would to an adult. They had
Speaker 7: each picture individually, and they showed it to her one
Speaker 7: at a time, like a deck of cards, and she
Speaker 7: picked out Anderson and then.
Speaker 6: You know, but he wouldn't give them anything, of course.
Speaker 6: And at this point we also switched back again because
Speaker 6: it was a situation. On November night in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 6: just a few months after Larissa Domanski vanage from the
Speaker 6: Morels parking lot, there was a pretty young woman, a
Speaker 6: business woman by the name of Amy Anderson, no relation
Speaker 6: to Robert Anderson, of course, and she was in town
Speaker 6: visiting a friend. And as she's driving back home to
Speaker 6: a small town about fifteen miles outside of Sioux Falls,
Speaker 6: South Dakota, a car is driving right on her bumper.
Speaker 6: Her rear bumper head lights are right shining in her car.
Speaker 6: The car passes her and it's two men in a
Speaker 6: vehicle and they looked at the two women and then
Speaker 6: they go in front of them. They slowed out. So
Speaker 6: Amy Anderson on the dark road, pulled around and tries
Speaker 6: to pass that vehicle. The vehicle tailgates again and then
Speaker 6: goes around the two women for a second time and
Speaker 6: goes up over the hill. Now, as Amy Anderson continues
Speaker 6: to drive, all of a sudden, she hits something in
Speaker 6: the road. A metallic thud clunks underneath her vehicle. Well,
Speaker 6: she takes her friend home a few miles later, drops
Speaker 6: her off, and then she's gonna proceed back home. And
Speaker 6: as she's driving along, it's apparent that her tire is
Speaker 6: going flat. She's hit something that's made her tire go flat.
Speaker 6: She pulls over, and a minute or so later, sure enough,
Speaker 6: here comes that same car that had tailgated her when
Speaker 6: she was taking her friend home. Pulls over. A man
Speaker 6: gets out. He's got a baseball cap on a little
Speaker 6: bit of facial hair, and she assumes he's a good
Speaker 6: samaritan even though he tailgated her, and she says thanks
Speaker 6: for stopping to help, and she opens the trunk to
Speaker 6: get in, and right when she's reaching into the trunk,
Speaker 6: the man grabs a hold of her and tries to
Speaker 6: drive gro over and pull her into the vehicle. Well,
Speaker 6: this Amy Anderson struggles and fights and finally is able
Speaker 6: to break loose and sprints down the dark highway in
Speaker 6: shear terror. And just thankfully there's two young teenage girls
Speaker 6: who come up over the hill in the dark. Amy
Speaker 6: jumps up and down, waves her hands. She jumps in
Speaker 6: with these two teenage girls, and the two assailants that
Speaker 6: almost tried to snatch her on the road pull a
Speaker 6: U turn and take off. She hears them say let's
Speaker 6: get out of here, and so they feel out that
Speaker 6: this case possibly is connected as well, which it surely
Speaker 6: does turn out to be.
Speaker 7: And Amy was so lucky. There are some pretty remote
Speaker 7: roads in that area, and at night you might go
Speaker 7: quite some time before somebody else comes along.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just you just pure luck that two teenage kids
Speaker 6: happened to be driving up over the hill right when
Speaker 6: she's trying to escape being abducted.
Speaker 5: Now, let's get back to the search that's being conducted. Interesting,
Speaker 5: while he is being interviewed, while Anderson is being interviewed,
Speaker 5: while he's not under arrest, they have the ability to
Speaker 5: get the search warrants, and with the search warrants come
Speaker 5: the searches of the various things that are important and
Speaker 5: end up being important in this case. So what do
Speaker 5: they get the search warrants for, and even in the
Speaker 5: preliminary search before the bronco was sent to the state lab,
Speaker 5: what are some of the things that investigators are finding
Speaker 5: in that search and where do they search?
Speaker 7: Well, they were able to get search warrants for Robert
Speaker 7: Anderson's house, for his bronco, and also to search him
Speaker 7: personally good body, search his body and.
Speaker 6: In the bronco and ends up being full of suspicious items.
Speaker 7: Dan the pack rat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but for your listeners, they find some strained stuff
Speaker 6: in their duct tape that's been ripped off. They find
Speaker 6: ether and tear gas. They find receipts for washing paint
Speaker 6: and paint brushes in one of the toolboxes. The investigators
Speaker 6: started nicknaming that the torture box. They find found eyebowls
Speaker 6: and chains and these long nine inch wooden dowels. And
Speaker 6: the most disturbing find was they could tell there was
Speaker 6: a homemade bondage board that fit right in the back.
Speaker 6: The rear seats had been removed from that bronco and
Speaker 6: it was a three quarter inch plywood board with eye
Speaker 6: rings in the corner. You could tell it was a
Speaker 6: bondage board. And it had indoor outdoor carpet glued to it.
Speaker 6: And so they knew they had something bizarre.
Speaker 7: Now back at the home, and then in their home
Speaker 7: they found again the home was just packed with stuff.
Speaker 7: They could hardly get through the hallway, but they did
Speaker 7: find on one pair of jeans a dark stain on
Speaker 7: the crotch, which would turn out to be important. And
Speaker 7: the reason that stain was there is when they searched
Speaker 7: Robert Anderson, they found out that were underwear. He never
Speaker 7: wore underwear. If he had, that stain wouldn't have been there,
Speaker 7: and we'll get to that later. They found huge rolls
Speaker 7: of duct tape. He really had a thing about duct tape.
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Speaker 6: They didn't know it was if it was a homemade weapon,
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Speaker 7: And then I'll go back to one thing that they
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Speaker 7: that it would really end up being something?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, they were hoping these chunks of vegetation that
Speaker 6: they found in the back of the bronco might lead
Speaker 6: to a crime scene.
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Speaker 6: They could find where this veget what the vegetation was,
Speaker 6: and where it could be found.
Speaker 5: In this interrogation, in this questioning, he's playing cat and mouse.
Speaker 5: But throughout this whole thing, there is a singular priority
Speaker 5: for investigators that are questioning, yes, what is that priority
Speaker 5: and how do they how do they customize what they're
Speaker 5: saying and doing in order to be able to fulfill
Speaker 5: that priority.
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, Anderson was not under arrest. They
Speaker 7: didn't have anything to arrest him for, so therefore they
Speaker 7: didn't have to read him his Miranda rights. And as
Speaker 7: they went on in the interview, he eventually starts saying, well,
Speaker 7: maybe I should have a lawyer, and I think I
Speaker 7: want to leave now. And they'd say, well, sure you
Speaker 7: can leave, but I think you're going to want to
Speaker 7: know what we found out. They have ways of keeping
Speaker 7: him there, and so they did, but they knew that
Speaker 7: at some point a judge was going to rule that
Speaker 7: they couldn't use any more information that they got from Anderson.
Speaker 7: So here's their rock in the hard place. But they
Speaker 7: want and yeah, they want Anderson to admit that he
Speaker 7: did it. But if he does admit that, it's going
Speaker 7: to be inadmissible. But that's not their priority. Their priority
Speaker 7: is thinking Piper could still be alive, and if they
Speaker 7: scare him off and they push too hard, he might leave.
Speaker 7: And depending on where he has Piper, you know, she
Speaker 7: could be in a small place, she could you know,
Speaker 7: probably be confined, she can't get away, she could end
Speaker 7: up dying. And so they really there their concerns they
Speaker 7: want to find Piper. They don't want to push too hard,
Speaker 7: but they want to push hard enough. So they give
Speaker 7: him an out and say, you know, where do you
Speaker 7: think somebody might take someone like Piper if they had her.
Speaker 7: They're trying to get him, and then they even say
Speaker 7: they have an information that she's still alive. He just
Speaker 7: doesn't budge at all.
Speaker 6: Will really try to push him over the top. Hey, Robert,
Speaker 6: can you help us out with this? Yeah, there's still
Speaker 6: things that may be gone a little far. Can you
Speaker 6: help us find Piper? We think she's still alive. And
Speaker 6: their main part is trying to find Piper. They think
Speaker 6: she might still be alive, and you've got her held
Speaker 6: captive somewhere, and they're so worried.
Speaker 7: Her life is in their hands and if they say
Speaker 7: the wrong thing or they don't say the right thing,
Speaker 7: she'll lose her chance and they'll lose her.
Speaker 6: But they have to let him go. They don't have
Speaker 6: enough to arrest.
Speaker 7: Him on.
Speaker 6: And so he goes off.
Speaker 5: Well how do police proceed? They know they have their man,
Speaker 5: but they can't make the arrest. So obviously they're very
Speaker 5: anxious to be able to gather the evidence they need
Speaker 5: to be able to make an arrest. How do they
Speaker 5: proceed in what's their first lead or break that helps them?
Speaker 6: Well, if we say in the book man, it's almost
Speaker 6: like even nature was trying to help nail this guy.
Speaker 6: The plant, those pieces of vegetation were sent to the
Speaker 6: Southapota State University lab and a botanist was asked to
Speaker 6: identify him and it turned out to be black snake
Speaker 6: root with one of the plants. And so they asked
Speaker 6: the botanists if he could go and then maybe identify
Speaker 6: where this black snake root could be found.
Speaker 7: He said it would only be in a place where
Speaker 7: there was shade, and there wasn't cattle graze, and it
Speaker 7: would have to be undisturbed.
Speaker 6: Yes, And so they get a helicopter and they take
Speaker 6: this botanists agrees to fly. He knows how important it
Speaker 6: is to try to find where this plant might have grown.
Speaker 6: So they fly him around out by the Lake Vermilion area,
Speaker 6: out by the Striley residents where that black bronco was seen.
Speaker 6: And the botanist said, no, no, no, this plant wouldn't
Speaker 6: grow anywhere around here. We need to go east east
Speaker 6: of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, over by the river the
Speaker 6: Big Sioux River. I think we might find an area
Speaker 6: that would be conducive there. So the helicopter goes back
Speaker 6: and they start flying along the Big Shoe River that
Speaker 6: runs along South Dakota and Shoe Falls, South Dakota, and
Speaker 6: the botan says, hey, down there, that looks like an
Speaker 6: area where black snake rud might be found. So the
Speaker 6: helicopter lands and they start looking around, and the botanist says, yes,
Speaker 6: if it was me, I'd be looking in this area.
Speaker 6: So the investigators bring a bunch of volunteer police officers
Speaker 6: and off duty investigators and they start looking around this
Speaker 6: area where the botanists says, I'd be looking. They find
Speaker 6: a roll of a chunk of duct tape and they
Speaker 6: gather around it and it's got some hairs attached to it,
Speaker 6: and that right away didn't set with them. There'd be
Speaker 6: no reason for any duct tape to be found in
Speaker 6: this area. Now, when Piper went missing, she was wearing
Speaker 6: a black and white striped night shirt. They found a
Speaker 6: half of a black and white striped night shirt near
Speaker 6: that duct tape. It had been cut down in the
Speaker 6: middle and ripped off, and so the night shirt had
Speaker 6: been cut in half. They have a roll, some chunks
Speaker 6: of duct tape, They found a burnt candle, and they
Speaker 6: found a battery operated vibrator. So they had the secret
Speaker 6: crime location.
Speaker 7: And this was all within a couple hundred yards of
Speaker 7: each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so they knew, they knew they had it. And
Speaker 6: lo and behold, a citizen that was just the day
Speaker 6: that Piper went missing, was driving down the highway not
Speaker 6: too far from where the botanists pulled them to look,
Speaker 6: and they found a Piper's night shirt cut in half.
Speaker 6: There's another half of a black and white striped shirt
Speaker 6: laying on the highway, and a citizen picks it up.
Speaker 6: He was just going to use it as a rag
Speaker 6: to clean his car, and it lo and behold. It
Speaker 6: turned out to be the other half of Piper's shirts, which.
Speaker 7: Helps them figure out when she was abducted and where
Speaker 7: he took her.
Speaker 5: So you also, yeah, go ahead, you also talk about
Speaker 5: that that at that time, they also searched with cadaver
Speaker 5: dogs and even brought in the famous necro Search institution
Speaker 5: to come and take a look to see if the
Speaker 5: body was on this property or anywhere near this vicinity, didn't.
Speaker 7: They Yes, right, And necro search can find bodies that
Speaker 7: have been buried dozens of years ago. They can find
Speaker 7: bodies buried in the water. And it turned up nothing.
Speaker 7: They searched all over they just couldn't find it.
Speaker 6: And they brought the National Guard out there. They went online.
Speaker 6: They spent tons and tons of time trying to find
Speaker 6: pipered bodies.
Speaker 7: They had citizens searches, they had people from all over
Speaker 7: the state who had rescue dogs bring them in, people
Speaker 7: on horseback, looking through areas that are hard to get
Speaker 7: to on foot. They didn't. They found a lot of
Speaker 7: unusual things, but nothing ended up being evidence.
Speaker 6: So and here's the deal. So they found a couple
Speaker 6: Tuman head hairs on the bondage board in the back
Speaker 6: of Anderson's bronco. At this point, we'll tell the listeners
Speaker 6: they've made the determination that Robert Leeway Anderson had painted
Speaker 6: his bronco black with washable paint on the days that
Speaker 6: he abducted Piper and the day he came out to
Speaker 6: abduct Piper when Van sansered the door of the Friday
Speaker 6: before he got scared off by the husband being there.
Speaker 6: They've come to the conclusion, which they were correct, Anderson
Speaker 6: had painted his bronco black with washable paint, and that's
Speaker 6: why his bronco was blue and not black. And they
Speaker 6: found two human heerents on his bondage boards from the
Speaker 6: back of his his bronco, and forensic said it was
Speaker 6: Piper Strilly. Now, let's go to the red stain, the
Speaker 6: dark stain that was in the crouch of his underwear
Speaker 6: on the day that Piper went missing. She was menstruating, Okay,
Speaker 6: and Anderson never wore underwear, so obviously Piper's blood was
Speaker 6: in his blue jeans after she had been obviously raped
Speaker 6: and murdered. Very disheart Now, right.
Speaker 5: Now, they also find the idea that he had a
Speaker 5: nine millimeter gun. Where do they get corroboration despite him
Speaker 5: saying he didn't have a license or didn't have a
Speaker 5: handgun at all. Yeah, where did they get that information?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Well they found they first of all is tell
Speaker 6: the listeners that they found a spent nine millimeter bullet
Speaker 6: casing in the Striley driveway.
Speaker 7: Okay, that was right away, right when she disappeared.
Speaker 6: Yes, right when she disappeared. And Shane of the Little
Speaker 6: Girl said, a loud noise went off and mommy said
Speaker 6: for me to get Nathan and run and hide. That's
Speaker 6: when Robert Anderson had come to their place the morning
Speaker 6: to abduct Piper right out of her home.
Speaker 7: But he denied having a handgun, never had used for one.
Speaker 7: But they interviewed two different people, someone from work and
Speaker 7: another person who said one person had gone out target
Speaker 7: shooting with him. They went back to the place where
Speaker 7: they'd gone target shooting and found shells that matched the
Speaker 7: shell that they found in the Striley driveway. And then
Speaker 7: there was another person who said that he'd gone hunting
Speaker 7: with Anderson and he had a handgun. He had a handgun,
Speaker 7: but they could not find the handgun.
Speaker 6: They could not find the handgun, They could not find
Speaker 6: any other uh so they didn't have a body. We've
Speaker 6: got no body for Larissa Domanski, who's disappeared from the
Speaker 6: Moral parking lot. We have no body for Piper.
Speaker 7: Striley, but a lot of circumstantial evidence, and circumstantial evidence
Speaker 7: is usable, but.
Speaker 6: Not really for a murder.
Speaker 7: They didn't right.
Speaker 6: The authorities decided that they didn't want to go after
Speaker 6: this guy for murder. They didn't have a body. They
Speaker 6: thought he could maybe get a quit.
Speaker 7: It and they might find the body later on, and
Speaker 7: then because the double jeopardy, they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 7: try him, so they try him just for kidnapping.
Speaker 6: And so now your former Attorney General Larry Long comes
Speaker 6: into the scene, who helped advise on this book for us.
Speaker 6: He is part of the prosecution team to go after
Speaker 6: Anderson for kidnap. First degree kidnap is what they're going
Speaker 6: after him for because they can get a life sentence
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 7: And when Larry Long and the team got the binder
Speaker 7: on this, there was not much evidence in it. Some
Speaker 7: of the evidence we've been talking about is what Larry
Speaker 7: Long and his team gathered. They're the ones who sent
Speaker 7: in the hair to get it analyzed. They sent in
Speaker 7: the genes to get it analyzed.
Speaker 6: Yes, and that's why we can tell you that the
Speaker 6: hairs were Piper Strilly and the blood on the crotch
Speaker 6: of his blue genes were Piper Strilly's blood.
Speaker 5: The most important we've got, Antina, most incredible testimony is
Speaker 5: yet to come though, from anyone from witnesses. How did
Speaker 5: we come to find out about Glenn Walker and tell
Speaker 5: us about the relationship between Anderson and Walker and how
Speaker 5: far it went back?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, well, so now we're involved in a kidnapped trial.
Speaker 6: And Anderson had tried to get some childhood friends involved
Speaker 6: in abducting and raping women with him. One of his
Speaker 6: friends outright turned him down. He kept trying to talk
Speaker 6: his friend into it. This friend kept turning him down.
Speaker 6: He had another friend by the name of Glenn Walker. Well,
Speaker 6: Glenn Walker, eventually it was the dominant personality over the
Speaker 6: weaker personality. Glenn Walker eventually gets involved in the same
Speaker 6: Now at this point, Larry Long, the prosecutor, the investigators
Speaker 6: don't really know how Glenn Walker's involved. But while Robert
Speaker 6: le Roy Anderson is standing trial for the kidnap, Glenn
Speaker 6: Walker calls a coworker and leaves a voice message on
Speaker 6: the tape recording phone message machine and says, we need
Speaker 6: to tell the authorities that Robert Anderson was out looking
Speaker 6: for a new church for his family to go to.
Speaker 6: That way, it'll take away some of the pre medication
Speaker 6: for this kidnap trial. So the authorities knew that this
Speaker 6: Glen Walker was involved somehow, but they didn't know how.
Speaker 6: They didn't know how deep he was involved. So they
Speaker 6: used a trick on Glen Walker. They subpoened him and
Speaker 6: made him come to the kidnap trial now. Larry Long
Speaker 6: told us we really didn't have any intention of getting
Speaker 6: Glenn Walker up on the stands because we didn't know
Speaker 6: where he fit into this picture. But Dan, they were
Speaker 6: trying to make Glen Walker nervous, make him come and
Speaker 6: set every day at the trial. Every day am I
Speaker 6: going to get called up and put this pressure on him?
Speaker 6: And by gosh, it worked. During the kidnapp trial, Glenn
Speaker 6: Walker approached the Attorney General Mark Barnett, who was on
Speaker 6: the case, and said, if I can get some kind
Speaker 6: of immunity, I will tell you and show you where
Speaker 6: Larissa Domanski, who disappeared from Morel's is buried. Well, the
Speaker 6: authority said, yes, we're interested in this, Glenn. We'd like
Speaker 6: to know where Larissa's body is. Right now, we have
Speaker 6: to finish his kidnap trials. Okay, I want you to
Speaker 6: talk to somebody else and deal with them and try
Speaker 6: to show them where this body is. And we're going
Speaker 6: to finish this kidnap trial and then we'll deal with you.
Speaker 6: So the kidnap trial goes on now. One of the
Speaker 6: interesting things for your listeners, uh, Dan, is Shana. She
Speaker 6: was three and a half years old. She's now turned four.
Speaker 6: She is an eyewitness to her mother getting abducted. There
Speaker 6: was a big legal debate between Larry Long, the prosecutors,
Speaker 6: and the defense attorneys for Robert Lee Ray Anderson. Should
Speaker 6: a four year old little girl testify? Is she old
Speaker 6: enough to either understand her you know the oath that
Speaker 6: she has to take. Is she going to be reliable
Speaker 6: the defense at Hernie, we're very concerned. They said, it
Speaker 6: is our right to cross examine that little girl, and
Speaker 6: people aren't going to like us when we cross examine her.
Speaker 6: We're going to take her every which way. But Louis,
Speaker 6: you know how this goes. We don't want this little
Speaker 6: girl to testify. Well, the judge determines that she is
Speaker 6: old enough to understand the old she will testify about
Speaker 6: her mother's kidnapper, and she will be allowed to be
Speaker 6: cross examined by the defense. So everybody's on pins and
Speaker 6: needles on how sheen is going to do at the
Speaker 6: kidnap trial. Is she going to be able to tell
Speaker 6: about the mean man that carried her mommy away during
Speaker 6: this trial? And it's just the most heart wrenching thing.
Speaker 7: But before we tell you about that, at the same time.
Speaker 7: Let's jump back to Glenn Walker because this is going
Speaker 7: on at the same time, and the relationship between Glenn
Speaker 7: Walker and Anderson is interesting. They're co dependent. They met
Speaker 7: each other in element coatary school. Glenn Walker was quiet,
Speaker 7: he was shy, he was awkward, he kind of struggled.
Speaker 7: He needed Robert Anderson because Anderson was smart and smooth
Speaker 7: and suave, and he could tell people to go wherever
Speaker 7: he wanted to tell him to go. And Anderson needed
Speaker 7: Walker because he could control Walker and he needed someone
Speaker 7: to control. So that had been their relationship since elementary school.
Speaker 7: Walker said I did the heavy lifting and Anderson did
Speaker 7: the thinking. And that came to be true in the
Speaker 7: trials as well. So while all of this is going
Speaker 7: on with Shana also Glenn Walker, they send Glenn Walker
Speaker 7: to talk to another authority and they say to Glenn, well,
Speaker 7: what do you need immunity from? You know, you say,
Speaker 7: whereis his body is? What do you need immunity from?
Speaker 7: And Glenn says, well, I know where her body is buried.
Speaker 7: And this investigator is very smart. He says, that's not
Speaker 7: a crime.
Speaker 6: I know where somebody is Rocky Robert told me where
Speaker 6: he so we'd like.
Speaker 7: To know where she is, but you don't need immunity. Well,
Speaker 7: in this back and forth conversation, Glenn Walker thinks he
Speaker 7: has immunity, but the authorities did not grant him munity.
Speaker 6: He never signed any immunity papers. Glenn Walker ends up
Speaker 6: leading the authorities to Larissa Demansky's grave and never got
Speaker 6: any immunity for it.
Speaker 7: But there's a surprise when they go to her grave.
Speaker 7: She is not there.
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Speaker 5: into saying far more than he needed to say. We
Speaker 5: just spoke about him thinking he had a deal for immunity,
Speaker 5: but he doesn't. But the one interesting thing is that
Speaker 5: this Leroy Anderson, Robert Lee Roy Anderson, doesn't trust anyone,
Speaker 5: and so what does he do in terms of that
Speaker 5: grave to thwart any kind of potential snitching from Glenn Walker.
Speaker 6: What Glenn Walker didn't know is about a year prior
Speaker 6: to Robert Leroy being arrested for the abduction of Piper,
Speaker 6: Robert Anderson doesn't trust Walker. In the darken night, he
Speaker 6: goes back out to Larissa's grave and digs up her
Speaker 6: skeletal remains, hacks him apart with a shovel, puts them
Speaker 6: in a bag, puts them in his car seat. He
Speaker 6: takes the skull, breaks all the teeth out of it,
Speaker 6: so any dental records, and he goes scattering Larissa's bones
Speaker 6: all over the countryside, throwing them in lakes, rivers, in
Speaker 6: deep wooded ravines. He throws who remained all over the place.
Speaker 6: So now when authorities go back to uncover her grave,
Speaker 6: they're wondering why they only found a couple of small
Speaker 6: bone fragments and a few pieces of cloth that looked
Speaker 6: like pieces of blue jean. They're wondering, you know, how
Speaker 6: animals couldn't have spread this body that far and completely
Speaker 6: got rid of it. So they're kind of, yeah, they're
Speaker 6: mystified at what happened to her. Well, unknown to the authorities,
Speaker 6: Robert Anderson had gone back, but of course he couldn't
Speaker 6: get rid of every piece of her body. There was
Speaker 6: some bone fragments that were left there. So now the
Speaker 6: authorities have some bone fragments from the grave that Glenn
Speaker 6: Walker said Robert Anderson killed the wrists of Domanski when
Speaker 6: he snatched her from the Morauth parking lot. This is
Speaker 6: where he buried her and the bone fragments are now
Speaker 6: sent to the forensic lab for DNA testing. While the
Speaker 6: Kidnapp trial is going on, I think we probably want
Speaker 6: to finish just a little bit about Shane for your listeners.
Speaker 6: It's kind of interesting. On the day that Shana was
Speaker 6: to testify at the Kidnapp trial, now they had one
Speaker 6: of the They didn't have Shana testify in the courtroom.
Speaker 6: They didn't want her to see Robert Lee ray Anderson,
Speaker 6: so they took Shana to a room at the local
Speaker 6: library and they set up a camera. Is that the
Speaker 6: people are back to the courtroom. Robert Lee ray Anderson
Speaker 6: and his attorneys could see Shana, and the spectators could
Speaker 6: see Shana, and they had a female attorney question her,
Speaker 6: and a judge was at the at the library.
Speaker 7: It was someone Shana had experienced with, someone she knew.
Speaker 6: Yes, and so Shana had been working with a child
Speaker 6: psychiatrist because of the trauma that she had suffered by
Speaker 6: seeing her mom carried away. So Shana had had a
Speaker 6: security blanket she had with her anytime people were questioning
Speaker 6: or talking to her, and if Shana felt like she
Speaker 6: was getting too upset, she could cover herself with this blanket.
Speaker 6: And then everybody knew that she didn't want to talk anymore.
Speaker 6: So the female attorney lays out the photo lineup again
Speaker 6: and says, honey, can you show me the mean man
Speaker 6: that took your dad took your mommy? And Shana sets
Speaker 6: her and she shook her head no, and she tried again,
Speaker 6: and she grabbed her little blanket and pulled it up
Speaker 6: over her head and laid down and curled up in
Speaker 6: the fetal position.
Speaker 7: And at that point she just slowly pulled this little
Speaker 7: comfort blanket that she had. She pulled it around her
Speaker 7: tighter and tighter, tighter, and everyone in the room could
Speaker 7: just see her little body laying there, and it brought
Speaker 7: everyone to tears.
Speaker 6: But Larry Long was ready to go on. The Dave
Speaker 6: Piper went missing and she didn't show up for work.
Speaker 6: Her husband Vance called home and she was running late
Speaker 6: for work, and the Striley's had an answering machine at
Speaker 6: their house recording a phone recording machine, and when the
Speaker 6: phone rang, Shana picked it up just like she did
Speaker 6: when the co worker had call, but Vans didn't hear
Speaker 6: her pick up the phone, so he hung up, but
Speaker 6: the recorder kept playing, and that recording was played for
Speaker 6: everybody in the courtroom during the Kidnapp trial, and Shanean's
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Speaker 6: please call back, and then you can hear a whisper. Oh,
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Speaker 6: Voice during that trial and it turned turned the jury
Speaker 6: to the prosecution and probably Ory Anderson has bowed guilty
Speaker 6: of kidnapp and is eventually sentenced to a life sentence
Speaker 6: in prison.
Speaker 7: And that's where things get interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now the book really starts getting interesting.
Speaker 5: Now do you talk about Larry Long and the other prosecutors.
Speaker 5: What is their goal now in terms of obviously they
Speaker 5: want to charge him for murder and prosecuting for murder,
Speaker 5: but kidnapping without a body was a long shot as
Speaker 5: it was, So how do they what do they have
Speaker 5: to get together to be able to ensure that this
Speaker 5: guy can be prosecuted for murder.
Speaker 6: In the process dan of them pulling together the forensics
Speaker 6: on the grave that was ends up being Larissa Damanski's grave.
Speaker 6: Robert le Or Anderson is now locked up in maximum
Speaker 6: security prison. He's housing the the infamous ad SAG Administrative
Speaker 6: Segregation Wing, which is a prison within a prison only
Speaker 6: the worst of the worst. For howes there and people
Speaker 6: that are on death row. Well, Anderson, because he was
Speaker 6: a notorious, high profile criminal, was hows an ad say.
Speaker 6: He ends up being cell mates with a man by
Speaker 6: the name of Jeremy Bruner. Jeremy Bruner is cunning. He
Speaker 6: spent most of his life in lock up from the
Speaker 6: time he was a teenager. This tackey Robert Leroy Anderson
Speaker 6: is now he's out of his lead, he's out of
Speaker 6: his element in prison, He's never been there. And he's
Speaker 6: got a twenty two year old roommate by the name
Speaker 6: of Jeremy Bruner, who is sharp, he knows his way around,
Speaker 6: and he is going to slick and he's going to
Speaker 6: con Anderson into revealing all of Anderson's dark truth.
Speaker 7: So it's such a mismatch. Jeremy Bruner practically grew up
Speaker 7: in the penal system. Although he's only twenty two. He's
Speaker 7: one of those people who almost like in Silence of
Speaker 7: the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter, he can look at somebody and
Speaker 7: tell all about them. He was that kind of person.
Speaker 7: He could read people so well. And Robert Anderson had
Speaker 7: not a clue about how the prison system worked. And
Speaker 7: so you you have those two people working against each other.
Speaker 7: It's no surprise who comes out on top.
Speaker 6: And Brunner, Jeremy Bruner had put the word out which
Speaker 6: was not true within the printicism that he sidestepped and
Speaker 6: got out of a murder charge, a first degree murder
Speaker 6: charge in the state of Oklahoma. And Robert Leroy Anderson,
Speaker 6: now that he's a sell mat with him, is very
Speaker 6: interested in how did Jeremy Brunner beat a murder charge?
Speaker 6: And Bruner said, hmm, I pinned the evidence on somebody else.
Speaker 6: And Anderson said, do you think you could help me
Speaker 6: pin my crimes on somebody else? Hmm. Now Bruner's got him.
Speaker 6: So Brunner starts. He takes his time and he tells Anderson, Okay,
Speaker 6: we can pin your crimes onto somebody else, but we
Speaker 6: need things. My brother on the outside will help with this.
Speaker 6: We'll find a guy that has no alibi and will
Speaker 6: pin these murders of these women onto best guy.
Speaker 7: But in order to do that, we're going to need
Speaker 7: evidence that you have from Piper and Larissa to plant somewhere.
Speaker 6: Yes, we have to plant some hard evidence on this
Speaker 6: guy who has no alibi. Brunner calls him mister ghost.
Speaker 6: We'll plant this evidence on mister ghost. So, Robert, you
Speaker 6: need to tell us everything you know about these murders,
Speaker 6: everything the cops know, and even things that the cops
Speaker 6: don't know, and we need evidence to plant. Well, like
Speaker 6: all serial killers, Robert Leroy Anderson had taken souvenirs off
Speaker 6: Larissa Domanski and Piper Strilly. He had saved them in
Speaker 6: his childhood bedroom up in the Raptors in his mom's home,
Speaker 6: along with the nine millimeter handgun that he did fire
Speaker 6: in the Strilly home and out in the driveway when
Speaker 6: he was carrying Piper away.
Speaker 7: Now, Jeremy and Robert Anderson have several conversations because Jeremy's
Speaker 7: leading him on, saying, I think I can help you,
Speaker 7: but I'm going to need to know this. Well, let
Speaker 7: me see, let me talk to my sources. He doesn't
Speaker 7: come right out and say, yeah, I can help you.
Speaker 7: He's acting hard to get yeah, and so Anderson bit
Speaker 7: by bit, and Jeremy knows that any criminal isn't going
Speaker 7: to tell everything at once, so he keeps getting more
Speaker 7: and more information from Anderson and tell he thinks he
Speaker 7: has enough to go to the authorities. And Bruner is
Speaker 7: torn because there's that criminal code, you're not supposed to
Speaker 7: snitch on anyone. But he feels like Anderson's crimes are
Speaker 7: so horrific that Anderson does not fall under that protective
Speaker 7: umbrella that criminals are supposed.
Speaker 6: To like, yeah, a pedophile is not going to be
Speaker 6: protected in a prison. And Bruner felt that he really
Speaker 6: wasn't going to be being a snitch because what Robert
Speaker 6: Lee Ray Anderson did, he did it in front of
Speaker 6: the little kids, and he left little children motherless. Brunner
Speaker 6: becomes kind of a likable guy in this book. Obviously
Speaker 6: we can't tell you everything about it.
Speaker 7: He is for whatever he did. You can't help but
Speaker 7: this guy. And Larry Long described him as being just
Speaker 7: as tall standing up as laying down. He weighed he four.
Speaker 6: One hundred and forty pounds, right, but he was just
Speaker 6: hardcore and so Brunner gets Anderson to tell him where
Speaker 6: his brother on the outside, or Bruner's brother can go
Speaker 6: and get these pieces of jewelry that he took as
Speaker 6: souvenir duff Larissa and Piper and the handcuffs, and we're
Speaker 6: gonna end a nine millionte pistol and we're gonna plant
Speaker 6: it all on to this mister ghost. We're gonna plant
Speaker 6: this stuff on him. We'll make this guy get arrested,
Speaker 6: and a good attorney should get you acquitted and get
Speaker 6: you out of prison.
Speaker 7: But again, Jeremy still still kind of torn. He has
Speaker 7: to talk to some family members and say should I
Speaker 7: be doing this and they're saying, O, yes, this is
Speaker 7: a horrible crime. So he ends up going to someone
Speaker 7: at the prison and saying, I need to talk to
Speaker 7: the attorney general, and they kind of laugh at him.
Speaker 7: You know, prisoners go to want somebody had to talk
Speaker 7: to them. Every day. They know somebody did something, but
Speaker 7: usually there's no evidence to back it up. They say
Speaker 7: go ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, so Brunner says, I want to talk to the
Speaker 6: attorney general, the state attorney general all on this, and
Speaker 6: the person in the prison says, hey, look, Brunner the
Speaker 6: state's attorney general is not going to hop down here
Speaker 6: just because you say you know something. To get a
Speaker 6: murder conviction against Robertlee or Anderson, you have to give
Speaker 6: us something more than that. So Brunner says, okay.
Speaker 7: Now, now, a less experienced person would have just told
Speaker 7: everything they knew. But Jeremy thought for a minute, and
Speaker 7: he thought of the one piece of evidence he could
Speaker 7: tell them.
Speaker 6: He tells the authorities, you think that Robert Lee R.
Speaker 6: Anderson took that little Nathan's playtent that day when he
Speaker 6: abducted Piper to wrap her body in. But you've got
Speaker 6: it wrong. When Anderson was struggling with Piper in the house,
Speaker 6: his nine millimeter went out. It shot a hole through
Speaker 6: that kid's playtent and shot a hole into the floor
Speaker 6: of that little kid's bedroom. If you go out there
Speaker 6: and you pull the carpetbacks, you're going to find a
Speaker 6: bullet hole in that little boy's bedroom. Okay. Now, after
Speaker 6: you go do that, you come back and talk to me.
Speaker 6: So the authorities went out there, they pulled the carpet back,
Speaker 6: they found a bullet hole just as Jeremy Bruner described it.
Speaker 6: They inserted a rod to get the angle that went
Speaker 6: through the foreboard of the house. It was actually a
Speaker 6: trailer house. They went underneath the trailer house and with
Speaker 6: their bare hands, the authorities dug and they found the
Speaker 6: nine millimeter slug that went through Nathan's bedroom floor when
Speaker 6: Anderson's gun went off and shot a hole through the tenth.
Speaker 7: Obviously, nobody would know that unless Anderson had confided in them.
Speaker 7: So the Attorney General and Larry Long OpEd in a
Speaker 7: plane and they come down to Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: They strike a deal with Jeremy Bruner and they're going
Speaker 6: to give Jeremy Bruner a reduced sentence. He's going to
Speaker 6: get out of prison, but they want him to reveal
Speaker 6: where the nine millimeter handgun, the souvenir jewelry is. The
Speaker 6: handcuffed and Bruner tells them he draws a map or
Speaker 6: Anderson drew a map to where the stuff was, and
Speaker 6: it was writing his childhood bedroom up in the raptors
Speaker 6: of the ceiling. Now they have the DNA evidence has
Speaker 6: come back from the bone fragments. Yes it was Larissa Domanski.
Speaker 6: Glenn Walker says that Anderson murdered Larissa Domanski. They have
Speaker 6: the jewelry off the women and they have Bruner to
Speaker 6: test by. Now they've got murder charges against Robert Leroy Anderson.
Speaker 5: How do they proceed with that and also how do
Speaker 5: they come to learn about Jamie Hammer.
Speaker 6: Jamie Hammer was the other for your listeners, we said
Speaker 6: quite a while ago that Anderson had two child good
Speaker 6: friends that he tried to get involved with abducting and
Speaker 6: raping women with him. One was Glenn Walker, who, by
Speaker 6: the way, did help ubductor Marissa Domanski from the parking
Speaker 6: lot that night at Morales where she was working. Glenn
Speaker 6: Walker was involved in that. Jamie Hammer was Robert Henderson's
Speaker 6: other childhood friend that he grew up with. He kept
Speaker 6: trying to entice Jamie Hammer into into getting involved, and
Speaker 6: Jamie Hammers kept telling him, no, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 6: going to do that.
Speaker 7: Jamie adamantly refused.
Speaker 6: He said, I'm not going to get involved in that stuff.
Speaker 6: And you know, so they get Jamie Hammer to testify. Actually,
Speaker 6: Robert Lee Ray Anderson owned a vehicle and his friend,
Speaker 6: childhood friend, bought it from him and that car is
Speaker 6: what he put Larissa Domanski's body in when he took
Speaker 6: her out to Barrier and when Jamie Hammer bought the car.
Speaker 6: He told his friend, see that trunk right there, that's
Speaker 6: where Larissa Domanski's body was after I killed her and
Speaker 6: I took her out to barrier.
Speaker 7: That was after Jamie had the car.
Speaker 6: So now Larry Long and the prosecutors, they have the inevidence,
Speaker 6: They have Glenn Walker, they have Jamie Hammer, the other
Speaker 6: child's good friends testimony. They have all the souvenir jewelry.
Speaker 6: They have the gun. They have the bullet slug that
Speaker 6: she went through the through the floorboard of the little
Speaker 6: boy's bedroom. Match ballistics mashed it to the handgun that
Speaker 6: they found in Robert LeRoy's childhood bedroom, rafters up in
Speaker 6: the ceiling. They had all this stuff, and so now
Speaker 6: you've got a murder trial, first green murder trial with
Speaker 6: the death penalty attached.
Speaker 5: He also explained the the tire poppers as well in
Speaker 5: their role.
Speaker 6: That's right, Jamie Hammer explained what those sharp objects were.
Speaker 6: That was Robert LeRoy's Anderson's. One of his plans was
Speaker 6: to make these tire poppers scope out pretty young girls,
Speaker 6: follow them, pass him up in a car, get a
Speaker 6: to them, stop, put one of these tire poppers in
Speaker 6: the road. Flatten their tired just like he did that
Speaker 6: Amy Anderson out of that dark highway that night when
Speaker 6: she had to fight for her life. And Jamie Hammer
Speaker 6: identified those tire poppers as what Robert le Roy Anderson
Speaker 6: was making and putting together to try to flatten women's
Speaker 6: tires so that he could snatch them. And now the
Speaker 6: mystery of those poppers, those sharp metal objects. He had
Speaker 6: several different designs for popping and disabling tired on women's vehicles.
Speaker 6: And he even told Jamie Hammer, I want you to
Speaker 6: get involved. That will use walkie talkies. One car will
Speaker 6: be down the road, one car will pass up a female,
Speaker 6: put the tired popper in her place, disabled her vehicle,
Speaker 6: and they will both go and snatch her where we
Speaker 6: can take her off and rape her.
Speaker 7: That Hammer was not interested in abducting anybody, Nope.
Speaker 6: But he eventually got his child good friend Glenn Walker involved.
Speaker 6: It's such a twisted case.
Speaker 5: You talk about Brunner's testimony about Piper's demise at trial too,
Speaker 5: so the horrific details are testified to at trial about
Speaker 5: what actually.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Anderson told Brunner in graphic detail what he did
Speaker 6: to uh Larissa Domanski when he abducted her from the
Speaker 6: parking lot. Him and Glenn Walker abducted her from the
Speaker 6: parking lot at the Morel's meat packing plant, and he
Speaker 6: telled Brunners the details of uh Piper's.
Speaker 5: Death too for dramatic purposes. What is brought into the
Speaker 5: courtroom for jurisy see.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, a slew of evidence. One of the
Speaker 6: things your your your listeners may find interesting is during
Speaker 6: the jury selection. You know they wanted it's a it's
Speaker 6: a real knack to pick the right kind of a
Speaker 6: jury that can come back and vote to kill somebody.
Speaker 6: So they were really taking a long, tedious amount of time,
Speaker 6: and Robert Anderson could not control himself. He legally could
Speaker 6: be present at the selection of the jury, but he
Speaker 6: would set and spare at women and looked him up
Speaker 6: and down and spare at their private parts so much
Speaker 6: to the point where three women told the judge they
Speaker 6: don't care what happened to him. They refuse to go
Speaker 6: back in the same room with that man. He was
Speaker 6: just so perverse and so dangerous.
Speaker 7: And they had all of the evidence. They had each
Speaker 7: piece of evidence in a bag laid out on a table,
Speaker 7: and at the end they went through each piece of
Speaker 7: evidence held it up, reminded everyone what it was for.
Speaker 7: The duct tape. Everything else there poppers and the tire poppers.
Speaker 7: And they saved the bondage board for the very end.
Speaker 6: They will When they wieled the bondage board in you
Speaker 6: could have heard a pin drop in the courtroom.
Speaker 10: It went.
Speaker 7: It just spoke for itself. It was almost like truf
Speaker 7: just the fact that it was.
Speaker 6: There, especially after Brunner had testified of how Piper died
Speaker 6: on that bondage board.
Speaker 7: And now a little bit more about Brunner. He had
Speaker 7: a tough go A lot of the inmates resented him
Speaker 7: for going to court on this. They threw urine at him,
Speaker 7: they threatened him, and he didn't care. He thought it
Speaker 7: was so wrong that Anderson had destroyed these two families,
Speaker 7: taken mothers away from children. He didn't care what he
Speaker 7: personally had to go through. He was going to give
Speaker 7: this testimony. In fact, when he was done, he talked
Speaker 7: to one of the parents of the women who died
Speaker 7: and let them know everything that Vanilson told answered all
Speaker 7: their questions.
Speaker 6: He did not have to You didn't have to do that.
Speaker 6: Another thing, I'll tell you something kind of interesting your
Speaker 6: listeners dan about out Jeremy Bruner. He was just a
Speaker 6: character too. The prosecution had spent all this time, they
Speaker 6: had the jury selected, and Bruner now has been brought
Speaker 6: into test by a few days. And when they're in
Speaker 6: a side room during a recess during the trial, Bruner
Speaker 6: goes to the Attorney General, one of the main prosecutors,
Speaker 6: and he said, hey, look, I think you're going to
Speaker 6: have a mistrial here. You know, I'm a big drug dealer,
Speaker 6: and I see one of your jurors that you got
Speaker 6: set in there. He's one of my clients. He's a
Speaker 6: big time drug dealer and he's a criminal himself, and
Speaker 6: I think this is going to be as soon as
Speaker 6: that word gets out, this is going to be a mistrial.
Speaker 7: The attorney general went read, he started.
Speaker 6: To and then Bruner let him set up for a second.
Speaker 6: Bruner said, nah, man, I'm just kid. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: kind of Bruner's character. He was messing with the South
Speaker 6: Dakota Attorney General telling him he was going to have
Speaker 6: a mistrial after they put all this work in because
Speaker 6: one of the jurg was one of Bruner's clients.
Speaker 5: You talked about you talked about John Well, we didn't
Speaker 5: mention him by name, but John Potts, the father was
Speaker 5: banned from the court room. He tell us about this
Speaker 5: story to tell and the only I guess relief he
Speaker 5: got was he was able to talk to Brunner, and
Speaker 5: bruner was able to ask answer questions that he had
Speaker 5: that of course he didn't get to see at the court.
Speaker 5: Tell us a little bit about John Potts.
Speaker 7: Well, obviously he was devastated he'd lost his daughter. He
Speaker 7: was just devastated.
Speaker 6: Well, and you know, there was a lot of a
Speaker 6: lot of people hated Robert Lee Roy Anderson when work
Speaker 6: came out of what he did to those women, even
Speaker 6: around the community. I mean there was They had to
Speaker 6: take a lot of security at the court trials. Well,
Speaker 6: Piper's dad, John Potts her maiden name obviously with Potts
Speaker 6: it with Piper Potts before she married Van Strilly. Piper's
Speaker 6: Dad's drives all the way up from Texas to attend
Speaker 6: every day of the trial. The kidnap trial. Now, remember
Speaker 6: they're not going after the death sentence. They're only going
Speaker 6: after first degree kidnapped for life in prison. The prosecutors
Speaker 6: had to do that. They didn't have a body even
Speaker 6: though everybody knew he murdered those women. Well, John Potts,
Speaker 6: Piper's dad, was extremely distraught and upset. He would set
Speaker 6: in the witness in the spectator section and he would
Speaker 6: extend his arm and act as if he had an
Speaker 6: invisible pistol, and he would plant at his Anderson and
Speaker 6: pull the trigger over and over on his invisible pistol. Well,
Speaker 6: the security guards were watching this pretty close at the trial.
Speaker 6: They thought that was pretty odd. Then the next day,
Speaker 6: John Potts comes in. He sets by a window where
Speaker 6: the sunlight's coming in, and he pulls out a little
Speaker 6: handheld mirror and he deflects the sunlight off the mirror
Speaker 6: into the eyes of Robert Anderson while he's setting over
Speaker 6: there at his table with his attorneys. Now the security
Speaker 6: guards go grab John Potts, Piper's dad, and they take
Speaker 6: him out, and they go get the prosecuting attorneys and
Speaker 6: they tell him that he's been doing this stuff, pointing
Speaker 6: the you know, invisible goune reflecting the light sunlight into
Speaker 6: Robert Leeright Anderson's eyes, and the South Put Attorney General
Speaker 6: Mark Barnett says, look, what are you doing? And John
Speaker 6: Potts says, you guys aren't going after the death penalty.
Speaker 6: You're only going after the kidnap and in a prison sentence.
Speaker 6: You guys won't kill him. I'm going to kill this guy.
Speaker 6: And Mark Barnett, the Attorney General, says, look, mister Potter,
Speaker 6: take it back right now. Tell me you did not
Speaker 6: mean that. And John Pott says, I mean it. This
Speaker 6: guy's dead. You guys won't execute him. I'm going to
Speaker 6: kill this guy. He took my daughter. I'm going to
Speaker 6: kill him. Can't blame him, which you can't blame him.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's just devastated. So now they go get
Speaker 6: the judge, and the judge gives him a chance. You know,
Speaker 6: you got to say that you didn't mean this, and
Speaker 6: he says, nope, I'm telling you the same thing. You
Speaker 6: do what you gotta do. I'm going to kill this guy.
Speaker 6: So Piper's dad, John Potts, is banned from attending the
Speaker 6: trial anymore. In fact, if he's going to stay in town,
Speaker 6: a criminal investigation agent would come and meet with him
Speaker 6: every morning and sit in the Continental Breakfast area of
Speaker 6: his motel, and once there seated, the agent would call
Speaker 6: and that's when Robert Lee R. Anderson would be transported
Speaker 6: from the county jail to the courthouse now wearing a
Speaker 6: bulletproof vest every single day, and when the trial was
Speaker 6: ended for the day, John Potts, Piper's dad would have
Speaker 6: to again be sitting in the Continental breakfast area of
Speaker 6: the motel with the agent and then they would transport
Speaker 6: Robert Lee or Anderson back to the county jail till
Speaker 6: the next day's trial would go on. And that's how
Speaker 6: it happened. So now we come back again to Jeremy
Speaker 6: Bruner after that the trial is all over. Jeremy Bruner
Speaker 6: did not have to do this, but he said, let
Speaker 6: me meet with Piper's dad and I will tell him
Speaker 6: anything he wants to know that I said in the
Speaker 6: trial that he didn't get to hear. And John Potts
Speaker 6: did meet with Jeremy Bruner before he was taken back
Speaker 6: to prison Jeremy Bruner, and he told John Potts everything
Speaker 6: he wanted to know. If I'll give you a little
Speaker 6: bit about why Jeremy Bruner is a likable guy, he
Speaker 6: goes beyond just being a prison snitch. He's a pretty
Speaker 6: likable guy when and there support. There's a lot more
Speaker 6: in the book that we can't go into but Runner
Speaker 6: becomes a pretty likable guy.
Speaker 5: You talk about him being a likable guy but also
Speaker 5: doing the right thing. But Larissa's husband, Bill Dumanski, here's
Speaker 5: the guy that tell us about this trip to Russia
Speaker 5: to get blood samples prior to the trial. Incredible story, right, Well, they.
Speaker 7: Had the bone fragments from Larissa that they had no
Speaker 7: DNA from her or from the family. So Bill was
Speaker 7: already planning to go back to Russia. Well, they have
Speaker 7: a different your medical system than we do here. So
Speaker 7: they said, Bill, you're going to have to learn to
Speaker 7: draw blood from her relatives so you can bring their
Speaker 7: blood back, and we can have right from Waris's mom
Speaker 7: and dad, so we can have you know, we can
Speaker 7: see what their DNA is, so we can show what
Speaker 7: her DNA is, so that we can show that these
Speaker 7: bone fragments are hers. So he goes back to Russia,
Speaker 7: he draws blood from her relatives, has to bring it
Speaker 7: back with him. Otherwise they couldn't have proven that those
Speaker 7: bone fragments belonged to Larissa.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of interesting, and your heart.
Speaker 7: Just breaks for Bill. I mean, he waited years thinking
Speaker 7: that she was being held somewhere he held out that hope.
Speaker 7: He kind of got scammed by some people who said
Speaker 7: that they could.
Speaker 6: He got scammed by some psychics that told her told
Speaker 6: him that she was being held captive against her will,
Speaker 6: that she was still alive. And Bill loved Larissa so much.
Speaker 6: He always hoped that she would just return. You know,
Speaker 6: as horrible as it is that to think that she'd
Speaker 6: been held captive somewhere, you know, it was better them
Speaker 6: thinking she was dead. But then when when he saw
Speaker 6: Larissa's necklace that Robert Lee ry Anderson took off her
Speaker 6: for a souvenir, and that then he realized he broke
Speaker 6: down and he realized his wife was dead. It was
Speaker 6: a very heartbreaking situation. At that point in the book,
Speaker 6: there was.
Speaker 5: Tell us about more about what was done at this
Speaker 5: death penalty case, because as you're write, he wasn't given
Speaker 5: just any appointed lawyers. He was given a very very
Speaker 5: reputable and high profile team and they fought hard in
Speaker 5: his defense. How did he accept or not accept that
Speaker 5: legal advice? And tell us a little bit more about
Speaker 5: this fight that they were unsuccessful.
Speaker 6: But I'll take any answer that you know, I'll let
Speaker 6: Sandy nsa. But I want to I want to say
Speaker 6: something that you might not think about it. That is
Speaker 6: a different philosophy state. The state down here in the
Speaker 6: United States, South Dakota just has the philosophy to give
Speaker 6: a first degree death sentence case the best.
Speaker 7: Lawyers, okay, right, because otherwise what happens is someone's found
Speaker 7: guilty and then they say, well I didn't have good lawyers,
Speaker 7: and then they go to trial again and it's just
Speaker 7: drug out over and over. So they start a high
Speaker 7: profile case with the best team they can find. So
Speaker 7: he had the a team. He had a great team
Speaker 7: of lawyers, and then he's found out during.
Speaker 6: During the trial, one of the one of the agents
Speaker 6: that worked with us for the book, he said he
Speaker 6: happened to be walking past a private room where Robert
Speaker 6: Lee ray Anderson was in with his attorneys, and Robert
Speaker 6: Lee ray Anderson is screaming and yelling his attorney. He's
Speaker 6: telling them how to do this and how to do that.
Speaker 6: And he got and this investigator said, you know, here's
Speaker 6: a guy that's got the best attorneys that money can buy,
Speaker 6: and he is so arrogant. He's screaming and yelling at
Speaker 6: these guys and telling them how to do their job
Speaker 6: at his trial.
Speaker 7: And when the trial is over and he's found guilty,
Speaker 7: the first thing he does is start blaming his lawyers.
Speaker 7: They didn't pick the right jury, they weren't competent. He said,
Speaker 7: I demand that they find the bodies of these women
Speaker 7: so that it will prove that I'm not guilty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just a total deviant creep. You know.
Speaker 5: In the death penalty case is you write very much
Speaker 5: use the OJ Simpson case as an example, very much
Speaker 5: like a civil case, another phase of a case, that
Speaker 5: being the other phase of the death penalty case. Evidence
Speaker 5: that wouldn't be admitted admissible in the trial part, in
Speaker 5: the penalty phase part. So we get to hear from
Speaker 5: Amy Anderson. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now see for your listeners, Amy Anderson, that almost got
Speaker 6: abducted on that dark highway. She was not allowed to
Speaker 6: testify in the kidnap or the murder trial because it.
Speaker 7: Wasn't directly related to Piper.
Speaker 6: Or LARIZI yeah, that would be hearsay. You know, as
Speaker 6: crazy as the laws seem, her almost being abducted by
Speaker 6: somebody doesn't warrant that. But everybody knew it was connected.
Speaker 6: So when it comes time for the death penalty phase,
Speaker 6: of the trial. Now the rules changed. Now the prosecution
Speaker 6: can present to the jury a whole bunch of other
Speaker 6: stuff to prove this guy's such an evil dude. He
Speaker 6: does deserve to die. You deserve to kill this person.
Speaker 6: The state deserves to put a needle in this guy's
Speaker 6: arm and kill him. So now they bring everything they'd
Speaker 6: come blazing with both barrels. Now they bring an Amy
Speaker 6: Anderson who tells about her terrifying experience on that dark
Speaker 6: highway and how lucky she was too young teenager to
Speaker 6: pick her up. And then then the attorneys can say,
Speaker 6: see how this guy is. He's a serial rapist, he's
Speaker 6: a serial killer, and if he is allowed to live,
Speaker 6: he runs the risk of being this horrible person that
Speaker 6: continues this stuff. He could escape from prison, He could
Speaker 6: be released from prison sometime. He needs to die for
Speaker 6: what he did to Piper Striley, Rissa Domanski. And you
Speaker 6: can see he was ready to take other women, right.
Speaker 7: He actually had targeted a nurse at the prison that
Speaker 7: he wanted to try to abduct or kill the race.
Speaker 6: I mean, while he's in prison, he tells Jeremy Brunner,
Speaker 6: I like the looks of the prison nurse you know,
Speaker 6: when you and I get out of here, let's snatch
Speaker 6: her and take her and rape her and kill her.
Speaker 7: Even in prison, people with him in prison, people weren't safe.
Speaker 5: Now you talk about also about the deal with Glenn Walker.
Speaker 5: This deal with Glen Walker, it's this is all. One
Speaker 5: of the most incredible parts of this is that the
Speaker 5: deal that they offer him and the polygraph that they
Speaker 5: ask him for. Tell us about this deal and what's
Speaker 5: the result.
Speaker 6: Well, here's here's the thing. They Glenn Walker never got
Speaker 6: immunity for showing where Larissa and Grave was right. And
Speaker 6: they had Jeremy Bruner's testimony that Anderson had said that
Speaker 6: that Glenn Walker was involved in helping snatch and abduct
Speaker 6: Larisa Domanski. But the prosecution wanted Glenn Walker to pay.
Speaker 6: Now they couldn't nail murder on him, so and they
Speaker 6: thought he could possibly get acquitted just because Jeremy Bruner
Speaker 6: didn't talk directly to Glenn Walker, he got her secondand
Speaker 6: information from Anderson. So they offered Glenn Walker a deal.
Speaker 6: You can do this many years, was it a twenty years?
Speaker 6: Twenty years? But we want you to take a polygraph
Speaker 6: test and you have to clear out which means you
Speaker 6: have to answer everything that we ask you on that
Speaker 6: light detector test, and if you pass that, you only
Speaker 6: have your twenty years, but if you fail it, you
Speaker 6: get another five years added on your sentence. Well, Glenn
Speaker 6: Walker failed two polygraph tests. Were you involved in killing
Speaker 6: Larissa Domanski?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Did you have sex with Larissa Domanski?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: It was all these different things, and the polygraph examiner
Speaker 6: said he's lying to some of this stuff.
Speaker 7: So they said, well, he wasn't a good polygraph examiner,
Speaker 7: we want another one. So they bring in another polygraph
Speaker 7: examiner and the exact same thing happens. So they said, Glenn,
Speaker 7: you weren't telling the truth. We're adding on five years
Speaker 7: he served, You got a twenty You got.
Speaker 6: A twenty five year sentence. But with in South Dakota,
Speaker 6: the state of South Dakota at that time, they had
Speaker 6: good time. So if he didn't get any write ups
Speaker 6: or any proubble and all that kind stuff, So he did.
Speaker 6: I think he did about fourteen years, I believe, I
Speaker 6: can't remember the exact amount. And then he got paroled
Speaker 6: and then he left the state. He moved away. But
Speaker 6: Glenn Walker, did he did you prison time? For his
Speaker 6: part in these crimes.
Speaker 5: Now, with Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his family, what
Speaker 5: is the again very interesting factory about what happens with
Speaker 5: other people in his family regarding prison.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, here's the thing for your listeners. People
Speaker 6: all want to know what kind of a background did
Speaker 6: this guy have. Well, Robert le Roy Anderson, there were
Speaker 6: three boys was he had two brothers and his dad.
Speaker 6: And at one time, Robert Leroy Anderson, both of his
Speaker 6: brothers and their father were locked up in prison, all
Speaker 6: at the same.
Speaker 7: Time, not just jail prison, yes, them.
Speaker 6: For various crimes. So you're talking a dysfunctional family.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: One of the things of interest that we didn't even
Speaker 6: have in the book at this time, and that we'll
Speaker 6: share with you that wasn't in the book.
Speaker 5: That you read.
Speaker 6: We had a person approached us that it was a
Speaker 6: relative of Robert le Roy Anderson. And this relative wanted
Speaker 6: to stay anonymous, but she said, when you're going around
Speaker 6: speaking to all these groups, this is nothing new, but
Speaker 6: plead for mind anybody that are raising the little boys
Speaker 6: to teach him to respect women and the value of
Speaker 6: females and the self worth of females that they're growing
Speaker 6: up to be polite, to compliment women, and to know
Speaker 6: that they have great worth in this world. She said,
Speaker 6: Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his brothers were taught that
Speaker 6: women had they had no part in this earth. They
Speaker 6: were to be degraded, they had no value, they had
Speaker 6: no value. And she said that's part of the problem.
Speaker 6: And so she really wanted mothers and fathers that are
Speaker 6: raising little boys to know that they need to be
Speaker 6: raised to respect women. That's what the relative ask of us.
Speaker 5: Despite the outcome of this trial with the death penalty
Speaker 5: and never get out of prison, what was his stance
Speaker 5: in terms of guilt of innocence after this?
Speaker 7: He never admitted that he was guilty.
Speaker 6: No, he said it wasn't him. He said he just
Speaker 6: had bad lawyer representation. And you know he's uh now
Speaker 6: he's setting on death row.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: He's in there for about four years, filing appeals, you know,
Speaker 6: eating up taxpayers money. And he never did admit to anything.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 7: He will say he did not end up serving out
Speaker 7: his sentence.
Speaker 6: Let's put it that way.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, that's a Robert Lee Roy Anderson and his
Speaker 10: father also previous to that, also committed suicide.
Speaker 7: Didn't he right, yes he did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, as your listener go down, No, Robert Lee
Speaker 6: roy Anderson hung himself in his cell and his father,
Speaker 6: his own father, committed suicide just prior to Robert Lee
Speaker 6: roy Anderson. Well, you know, we you know, there's lots
Speaker 6: of interesting things about you know, obviously we can't go
Speaker 6: into great detail, but it's kind of interesting that Robert
Speaker 6: Le roy Anderson's dad commits suicide and then very shortly
Speaker 6: after that, Robert Lee Anderson commits suicide.
Speaker 5: And you write that there was a complicated relationship that
Speaker 5: the two had, didn't they.
Speaker 7: Right, they didn't have a good relationship. But Robert Lee
Speaker 7: roy Anderson listed his favorite song as Caps in the Cradle,
Speaker 7: which is a song about a father who doesn't have
Speaker 7: time for his son, and then when the son grows up,
Speaker 7: then he doesn't have time for the father. So it's
Speaker 7: very telling of their relationship.
Speaker 6: One of the things we'll i tell your listeners is,
Speaker 6: as Shandy and I got involved in this project of
Speaker 6: writing this book about Robert Lee very Anderson, we kind
Speaker 6: of thought maybe he was operating on kind of a
Speaker 6: low intellectual level, but he was very a very intelligent person.
Speaker 6: He was an engineering major he was quite intelligent, and
Speaker 6: so it was able to how he was able to
Speaker 6: pull off some of these enus crimes and get away
Speaker 6: with it for as long as he did, for as
Speaker 6: young as he was. He was only in his mid twenties, right.
Speaker 7: He dabbled in the stock market in high school, he
Speaker 7: took advanced classes. He was mathematically very smart.
Speaker 6: Now, very intelligent guy. And you know, his colleague professor
Speaker 6: spoke very highly of his intelligence because he.
Speaker 7: Came across as a likable guy like Ted Bundy. He
Speaker 7: put across one persona to the people he knew, but
Speaker 7: he was a completely different person and we give examples.
Speaker 6: Of that throughout the book too. He was able to
Speaker 6: be this one person, but.
Speaker 7: Then this other person you could fool everybody.
Speaker 6: Very complex.
Speaker 5: M You don't talk about what happens to Shana in
Speaker 5: terms of a follow up, but I guess everyone would
Speaker 5: be curious because I think when you come away from
Speaker 5: reading this book, there is a even though even before
Speaker 5: you see a photo of her Shena, you have an
Speaker 5: idea of who this girl is. It's just the most
Speaker 5: vivid part of this book is how you introduce her
Speaker 5: and the horror that she has just witnessed. What about
Speaker 5: Shena today, Right, Well, she is a.
Speaker 7: Very kind, caring person who serves your community. But the
Speaker 7: family also just wants some privacy at this point, So
Speaker 7: we didn't pull what happened to them afterwards much into
Speaker 7: the story other than that they are very good people.
Speaker 7: Their mission in life is, they're very godly people.
Speaker 6: And we and we say that the family has the demand.
Speaker 6: Both the Damansk and the Striley families obviously such a horrible,
Speaker 6: horrible situation, they stay pretty private about it. Larry Long
Speaker 6: has kept a pretty good relationship with both the families.
Speaker 6: To prosecutor Larry Long worked because on this book, uh,
Speaker 6: you know met with Bill Domanski, and you know, the
Speaker 6: family is going to remain private. But they've all moved
Speaker 6: forward with their lives and have lived productive lives.
Speaker 7: Right, not moved on, but moved forward forward.
Speaker 6: And have And like we say, when when Piper and
Speaker 6: Florisa left this world, they left their children in good
Speaker 6: hands Bill and and Vance did a good job raising
Speaker 6: those kids. Let's put it that way. They went on
Speaker 6: to get college degrees, served their community. They're surrounded by
Speaker 6: children and their family photo and a very strong, happy
Speaker 6: ending for people to move forward after such a horrible.
Speaker 7: Situation as happy as possible that way.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's a remarkable story and as we've been in
Speaker 5: the introduction, it is a story of perseverance and the
Speaker 5: due diligence from police and prosecutors. It's a remarkable story
Speaker 5: and a remarkable case where justice was served. I want
Speaker 5: to thank you both Phil and Sandy Hammond for coming
Speaker 5: on and talking about Duct Tape Duck Tape Killer, The
Speaker 5: true inside story of sexual sadist and murderer Robert Leroy Anderson.
Speaker 5: For people that might want to look at more information
Speaker 5: about this book, is there a Facebook page website? Can
Speaker 5: you tell us more about how they might take a look?
Speaker 7: Yes, on Facebook Phil Hammon and Sandy Hammond or the
Speaker 7: website Phil hammondauthor dot com. And it's available on Amazon
Speaker 7: and Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 5: It was going to be available yep, No, go ahead, sorry,
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 7: Oh, and it will soon be available as an audiobook.
Speaker 5: Oh fantastic. I want to thank you very much for
Speaker 5: coming on and talking about Duct Tape Killer. It's been
Speaker 5: an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much. Congratulations on this book.
Speaker 5: It's fantastic. You have a great evening.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much for the same of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, good night night.