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<v Speaker 1>Hudson River Radio dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>It beats listening to nothing. My goodness, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Being Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>Fright were the only way to be is Frank. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to being Frank. We're the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>be is Frank. I'm your host, FRANKL. Born On, and

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<v Speaker 2>i'd like to thank you for joining us on what

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<v Speaker 2>we like to call the Intelligent Conversation Podcast, where no

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<v Speaker 2>conversations out of bounds and all points of view are welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Regular listeners to the podcast know our routine is to

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<v Speaker 2>record live to tape and I give you the dates

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<v Speaker 2>so you have some context and relevance. And it's the

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<v Speaker 2>third of December. The height of the holiday season is

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<v Speaker 2>upon us entertaining and being entertained by family and friends

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<v Speaker 2>is what makes the season so special. But what if

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<v Speaker 2>you had a disability and made that joy nearly impossible? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's have some intelligent conversation on the side object with

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO and Executive director of Bridges, an organization dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>through advocacy and leadership to the premise that everyone deserves

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<v Speaker 2>to live an independent life. Carlos Montinez LMSW is the

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<v Speaker 2>chief executive officer and executive director of Bridges, a local

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<v Speaker 2>nonprofit organization in Rockland County, New York, guided by its

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<v Speaker 2>mission of advocacy and leadership towards the creation and development

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<v Speaker 2>of a universally designed community for all people, including people

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<v Speaker 2>with disabilities. He has been with the organization since twenty

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<v Speaker 2>ten and became CEO in twenty eighteen. Bridges and Minister's

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<v Speaker 2>programs in the community that serve various members of that community,

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<v Speaker 2>including veterans with PTSD, TBI and other disabilities, people with

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<v Speaker 2>chronic medical conditions, multiple disabilities, mental health disabilities, and individuals

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<v Speaker 2>diverted and or are re entering the community from the

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<v Speaker 2>criminal justice system. Welcome Carlos Martinez. I know you're a

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<v Speaker 2>busy man and took time out to be with us

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<v Speaker 2>and we appreciate it. Thank you for joining us here

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<v Speaker 2>and being Frank.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited to be here. Thanks, Rank Carlos.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my custom. You know, we kind of get the

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<v Speaker 2>nuts and bolts in a CV, a curriculum, VTA, a

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<v Speaker 2>little bio, but let's get a little bit behind them. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us a little bit about a typical day for you.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it exactly that you do?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Absolutely, you know, as I'm fortunate and in a

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<v Speaker 4>really amazing position to you know, sort of steward an

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<v Speaker 4>organization that has for many years founded by people with

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<v Speaker 4>disabilities to ensure that the community has the right resources

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<v Speaker 4>through the folks that work here Bridges to experience independence

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<v Speaker 4>for themselves whatever that might be.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>If you you find a barrier you know, finding a job,

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<v Speaker 5>or you know, because of a disability, or you find

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<v Speaker 5>a barrier finding a place to live because of a disability,

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<v Speaker 5>this is what Bridges is here.

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<v Speaker 4>For, you know, to help remove those barriers that unfortunately

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<v Speaker 4>are placed by societal what we're societal norms or societal attitudes,

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<v Speaker 4>or or physical barriers that prevent people from accessing public

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<v Speaker 4>places for example. That's what we're here for. We're here.

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<v Speaker 4>We're here to help remove barriers so that people with

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<v Speaker 4>disabilities have equitable access to care, to services, to opportunities

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<v Speaker 4>that many of us take for granted in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's an important part. What are some

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<v Speaker 2>of the methods you know, it sounds wonderful, but it

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<v Speaker 2>takes work. What are some of the methods that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to apply to get these things done and make

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<v Speaker 2>some reality again on a daily basis. I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure on the broad lobbying, funding, et cetera. But on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis, what is it that you do that

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<v Speaker 2>literally helps accomplish these things?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean it from time to time. It can

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<v Speaker 4>be at the very individual level. I mean it's helping

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<v Speaker 4>someone build their confidence and understand that they two have

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<v Speaker 4>a voice, that they can use it to advocate on

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<v Speaker 4>their own behalf. Sometimes it's just a matter of speaking

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<v Speaker 4>up depending on the situation. For example, you know a

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<v Speaker 4>person who is employed and seeking nothing special but a

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<v Speaker 4>reasonable accommodation, for example, something that by law is able

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<v Speaker 4>to be granted and support someone career, you know, or

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<v Speaker 4>job circumstance. It's teaching them how to ask the right questions,

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<v Speaker 4>how to bring it up and be confident about those things.

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes it can be broader. It could be working

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<v Speaker 4>with a group of people who are experiencing similar discrimination

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<v Speaker 4>or similar circumstances. We always go at it in a

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<v Speaker 4>non punitive way. We are first approach to government, to

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<v Speaker 4>public places, and even to business owners and jobs is

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<v Speaker 4>to be nonpunitive. Is to provide education, to provide support

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<v Speaker 4>to that business in whatever fashion or way they need

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<v Speaker 4>it in order to help the two come together in

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<v Speaker 4>a very amicable way. Very few times do we go

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<v Speaker 4>the extent of litigation, which we've done in the past

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<v Speaker 4>for businesses that don't want to comply with the a DA,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a law that affords people with disabilities equitable

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<v Speaker 2>That's the advocacy that you mentioned in your brochures, et cetera. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I think within the name itself, it's

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<v Speaker 2>was formerly the rock Weed Dependent Living Center, which certainly

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<v Speaker 2>is descriptive, but so is Bridges in a sense. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I brought it up now it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be what you're talking about. You're looking for a bridge

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<v Speaker 2>between these people and their needs and the community. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little to that that, you know the name is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a metaphor, if you will.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely you know, you know, we a few years ago

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<v Speaker 4>we changed the name from Rocklin the pend the Living

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<v Speaker 4>Center to Bridges. In fact, we didn't really change it.

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<v Speaker 4>Rocklin Dependent Living Center is still our legal name. The

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<v Speaker 4>DBA is Bridges doing business as is an add on

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<v Speaker 4>you can tie into the legal name of any business,

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<v Speaker 4>and we did that because Bridges was synonymous with the

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<v Speaker 4>work we did. It's sort of bridging the gap or

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<v Speaker 4>connecting people to the right resources, or getting folks from

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<v Speaker 4>a place where they didn't achieve independence to achieve independence.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's where we hope the add on or the

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<v Speaker 4>name change was able to do, is to give people

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<v Speaker 4>the clarity on what Rocketing and the Pendolic Center did,

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<v Speaker 4>because most of the time we were confused with and

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<v Speaker 4>assisted living facility, a nursing home at times, even a

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<v Speaker 4>hospital we got one time, and that's not what we

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<v Speaker 4>do are it's actually against our very charter as a

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<v Speaker 4>nonprofit and it's as a center for independent living to

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<v Speaker 4>provide any housing. Our work is community based. It's to

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<v Speaker 4>help people find the resources the housing that they need

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<v Speaker 4>in the community and or to fight to make it

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<v Speaker 4>available if it's not, so that people with disabilities have

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<v Speaker 4>the opportunity to live with dignity in the community. So

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<v Speaker 4>Bridges was a way to broaden the you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>ideation and the perspective in the community of who we

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<v Speaker 4>are so that people understood what we did. And hopefully

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<v Speaker 4>Bridges does a little bit of that, and if not,

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<v Speaker 4>then Rocket Independent Living Center is just that, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>center that enhances independent living and that's what our purpose is.

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<v Speaker 4>In the community is to help people achieve independence. For

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<v Speaker 4>anyone who walks through our doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you mentioned doors literally to talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>as a little bit, as a physical place, as a campus.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a thing. It doesn't just exist in people's minds.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a place. Talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know, we're located here in the palis

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<v Speaker 4>State Center Mall for those who don't know, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's our home base. We used to be

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<v Speaker 4>located in New City and Route forty five in New

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<v Speaker 4>Hampstead if people might be aware of that area. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we we thought a lot and hard about

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<v Speaker 4>where our next location would be and it you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it may have come to a surprise a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people when we moved to the Palistate Center Mall, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was one of the best decisions we made as

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<v Speaker 4>an organization for a number of reasons. Number one, the

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<v Speaker 4>mall is central in the county and you can reach

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<v Speaker 4>the mall from any point in the county through public

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<v Speaker 4>transportation if you took the bus, and also the roads

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<v Speaker 4>to get to the mall as well. You know, if

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<v Speaker 4>you're driving, it's it's a pretty easy road down whichever

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<v Speaker 4>whether you're in Harvestrow or Suffern or Niak. And it

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<v Speaker 4>made it that much more accessible for people with disabilities

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<v Speaker 4>who were looking to connect with us and receive our services.

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<v Speaker 4>We thought it was going to be an issue at first,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, we thought, you know, who wants to

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<v Speaker 4>go to the mall?

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<v Speaker 2>We know the kind of a commercial kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>to it. It's like, what are we what are we

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<v Speaker 4>Quote unquote right, And then you also have the public

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<v Speaker 4>image of the mall that's not the greatest at the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, with where it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going rebating and the emptiness and yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you know, but the reality is it's central location.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of the most accessible locations as long as

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<v Speaker 4>the technology works and uh and and it has been

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<v Speaker 4>a really amazing place for us to meet and garner

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<v Speaker 4>support from our community members and garner support from other

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<v Speaker 4>And it's here in the mall. I mean, we have

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<v Speaker 4>a great relationship with Target, with Macy's and some other

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<v Speaker 4>storefronts near us that have never known about us and

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<v Speaker 4>now wants to support the work that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's been a very you could place, how convenient

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<v Speaker 2>you could place clients for work there?

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<v Speaker 4>If yeah, Wow, and that's exactly what's happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>for employment purposes, we've helped folks achieve employment goals here

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<v Speaker 4>in the mall and in various locations. So yeah, to

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<v Speaker 4>your point, Frank, it has been such a fruitful relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>And the mall management, you know, has been a good

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<v Speaker 4>partner to us, truthfully, and that's been something that has

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<v Speaker 4>been helpful for us as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Carl, you mentioned your wide range of services. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the people who take advantage of those services. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit about your clients and the range

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<v Speaker 2>of clients that you actually see there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you know, it's there's a misno more about organizations

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<v Speaker 4>like ours, uh, disability service or organizations. We serve the

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<v Speaker 4>whole gamut of disability, right, so the youngest to the

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<v Speaker 4>oldest disabilities. You don't see disabilities. You see cognitive mental health, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>chronic medical conditions, you name it. Uh. And and the

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<v Speaker 4>other part of it is that it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 4>you're rich or poor either. At the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have a disability and you have a need

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<v Speaker 4>and you have questions and you need support, we're here

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<v Speaker 4>for you. Uh. And that's the beauty of our organization.

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<v Speaker 4>It was founded by people with disabilities, and to and

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<v Speaker 4>to this day, more than half of our governing board

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<v Speaker 4>are people with disabilities, more than half of our staff

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<v Speaker 4>are people with disabilities. And that's intentional because that was

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<v Speaker 4>my next.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, But both do both? And what are your clients like?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your employees like? But but please continue, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to develop that a little bitco That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's intentional because you know there has been you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a licensed social worker, and let even licensed social

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<v Speaker 4>workers know the value of the peer approach. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's value in someone who has been there, done that,

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<v Speaker 4>has has understood the challenges that life is brought because

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<v Speaker 4>of a disability, and now it's helping you walk through

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<v Speaker 4>that process. There's nothing better than having a peer that's

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<v Speaker 4>helping you do that. And I've seen it in every

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<v Speaker 4>that's where the peer approach is so valuable. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>what our independent living centers are known for. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure at a daily basis, you get and

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<v Speaker 2>see inspirational things, you get inspiration. Is there one in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if there might be one or two whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>Of your head right away, I'll share, I'll shore, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>share a couple. You know, they're the Our organization's mission

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<v Speaker 4>is obviously achieving independence. As I mentioned earlier, is it's

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<v Speaker 4>home arena. You know, I am a person. This is

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<v Speaker 4>just my personal opinion that nursing home is an antiquated

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've worked in a nursing home as a

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<v Speaker 4>about it. In many ways, it vegetates perfectly capable brains

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<v Speaker 4>it's disheartening to see when you see that interaction, and

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<v Speaker 2>Been on the other I've been on just to chair

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<v Speaker 2>family member. It's they're not generally speaking, they're not pleasant places,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not conducive to good living. But please continue starts.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. I mean, as humans, we thrive on connection and

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<v Speaker 4>community building, and unfortunately, in nursing home facilities it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>of underpaid workers and funding, it becomes scarce, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's that's dangerous for the human personality. And so

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<v Speaker 4>independent Living Centers have made it a mission to get

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<v Speaker 4>with the right resources. And so we have one of

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<v Speaker 4>our staff members, her name is Katricia, who works hand

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<v Speaker 4>homes and getting them out of there and back in

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<v Speaker 4>their own place. And we have a couple of stories

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<v Speaker 4>there that are inspirational where folks have been in the

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<v Speaker 4>nursing home for eighteen months, two years, three years, waiting

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<v Speaker 4>to get out and back into the community. They're there,

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<v Speaker 4>you know there, you know, their somber expressions, their their

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<v Speaker 4>wanting to be there for much longer. You know, it

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<v Speaker 4>gets to you and and I and I've seen the

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<v Speaker 4>work that Katricia has done to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 4>feel encouraged to empower them. Hey, we have more a

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<v Speaker 4>couple more steps here to go to get you out.

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<v Speaker 4>We're working with you and the beauty is when we

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<v Speaker 4>finally get them out. We have established an apartment, we

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<v Speaker 4>have furniture that we have purchased for them all included

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<v Speaker 4>this is their home now in the community that they're in,

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<v Speaker 4>see every single time. You know, we want one transition

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<v Speaker 4>from a nursing home to the community is an amazing thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and we get to do several throughout the year, which

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<v Speaker 4>is awesome. And then another one I'll share on the

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<v Speaker 4>side of our veterans. We have a Veterans Department services

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<v Speaker 4>that we provide to our veterans with PTSD traumatic brain injuries.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we had an individual. You know, our veterans

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<v Speaker 4>do walks in the mall, you know, and they scale

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<v Speaker 4>all different levels of the floors of the mall to

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<v Speaker 4>do several miles and do that together as a point

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<v Speaker 4>of camaraderie and point of building connection and getting working

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<v Speaker 4>with each other and avoiding isolation. We had a veteran

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<v Speaker 4>that was stuck in their home. We got reports and

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<v Speaker 4>a referral. He was stuck in his home for for months.

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<v Speaker 4>He wouldn't come out the individual never reached out to us,

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<v Speaker 4>but we got calls from friends and family. When we

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<v Speaker 4>the most scariest circumstances. So you can imagine the veteran

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<v Speaker 4>to his couch on a table. You know, we know

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<v Speaker 4>the veterans suicide. I mean, I think the numbers twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two or something of that nature, every every hour, every day.

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<v Speaker 4>It's atrocious, yes, And this program under the Veterans Department

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<v Speaker 4>called the Joseph P. Dwyer, named after a medic veteran

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<v Speaker 4>Army veteran who is known for and his pictures all over.

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<v Speaker 4>He's saving a young boy but comes back home without

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<v Speaker 4>an ability to transition to civilian life and unfortunately dealing

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<v Speaker 2>To Carlos, my brother in law, my sister's husband, a

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<v Speaker 2>medic in Vietnam, the exact exactly. So I am so

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<v Speaker 2>relating to what So forgive me for interrupt but I

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<v Speaker 2>just had to so emotional for me to hear. These

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<v Speaker 2>are real people, real stories. But please continue on the

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, and Frank, please interrupt whatever, you know, But I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wanted to share with you that we're out.

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<v Speaker 4>There definitely, you know. And that's something that the Dwire

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<v Speaker 4>to eliminate veteran suicide the best way we can. So

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<v Speaker 4>in that circumstance, our team went in and saw this individual,

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<v Speaker 4>take long before now that veteran is not walking with

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<v Speaker 4>the group of veterans every week here at the mall,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And it was so inspiring to see that

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<v Speaker 4>because who else could have done that, aside from the

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<v Speaker 4>brothers and sisters that served alongside in the military. Knowing

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<v Speaker 4>his circumstances, knowing what he's going through his head, there

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<v Speaker 4>was nothing better than to have folks go in and

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<v Speaker 4>help him get out of that dark place. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>what the Dyre program does every day. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 4>the police or involved or you know, incarcerated or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>or have mental health breakdowns. And our team is going

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<v Speaker 4>out there called by a call to help support these

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<v Speaker 4>veterans and let them know they're not alone, that they're

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<v Speaker 4>here to help support them, and to just connect, just

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<v Speaker 4>to talk. You know, even if it's just as simple

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<v Speaker 4>as that, it's all that's needed to help, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>undo a burden and help hopefully bring some healing to

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<v Speaker 2>He just answered part B of my next question, which

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<v Speaker 2>were the rewards, which are pretty obvious and if you

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<v Speaker 2>can see people can't see us, they can only hear us.

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<v Speaker 2>But the smile that comes to you say, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>you do have successes. But of course with the success

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<v Speaker 2>there are challenges. It's not easy. It can't be. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with people who have difficult it's become your difficulties.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you say that personally and professional? What are

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest challenges that you fix? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean I think the challenges you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>and I hate to say this, but it's it always

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're going to talk about that after the

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<v Speaker 4>Please it now, please definitely, you know, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's one challenge that impacts us as a nonprofit and

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<v Speaker 4>is not uncommon to every nonprofit out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the other challenge is making sure that

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<v Speaker 4>people know that we're here right every time we hear

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<v Speaker 4>of a veteran losing their life, every time we hear

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<v Speaker 4>that a person with a disability couldn't get out of

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<v Speaker 4>time we hear of someone losing their job because they

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<v Speaker 4>weren't afforded the opportunity towards reasonable accommodations. Those are areas

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<v Speaker 4>where we just wish and hope we could be known

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<v Speaker 4>That's why, that's why our services is not just for individuals.

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<v Speaker 4>It's for businesses too. Businesses can reach out to us

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<v Speaker 4>and say, hey, you know, I'm hiring folks, some folks

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<v Speaker 4>make sure they're set up for success? And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and it takes a lot to do that

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<v Speaker 4>because as a business owner, we understand you've built something

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<v Speaker 4>that you want to grow. We understand that it's your baby,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know who is ever anybody else to tell

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<v Speaker 4>you what to do right right? But at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, you're hiring humans. We're all humans, and

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<v Speaker 4>we all have needs, and we all have desires, and

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<v Speaker 4>we all have dreams, and you know you can't fulfill those,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can work with us. And working with each

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<v Speaker 4>of a boss, of a leader, of a business owner

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<v Speaker 4>that cares for its community. And you're not we're not

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<v Speaker 4>talking about giving things away, but but working with folks

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<v Speaker 4>one step and becoming a more accessible and even an

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<v Speaker 2>So a perfect segue, I asked one.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh oh, I love your sweater. I'm I'm a graduate.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't see I got my fore, I got

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<v Speaker 2>my forum, my forum, sweat, my fordum swag. We knew

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<v Speaker 4>Before even I got my master's. There it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I just actually I thought last night my teaching day

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<v Speaker 2>spot before a commercial break with rhetorical question, and for

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<v Speaker 2>you today is and I think it's really related very

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<v Speaker 2>much to our conversation into what you said. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel people today with especially with the internet, the way

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<v Speaker 2>we exchange both good and bad. Are we more or

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<v Speaker 2>less tolerant? You've been doing this for a while, what's

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<v Speaker 4>And that's probably one of the biggest challenges we have

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Bridges is out there at every school district,

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<v Speaker 4>every school district, and we're sharing the different types of

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<v Speaker 4>disabilities that exist and why it's so important not to

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<v Speaker 4>discriminate and and not to bully your your neighbor or

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<v Speaker 4>your friend because of a disability. It's a natural part

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<v Speaker 4>of the human existence. We're imperfect human beings. We're bound

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<v Speaker 4>to have disabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to make the world a little more accessible,

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<v Speaker 4>and we need to make sure that we treat our

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<v Speaker 4>brothers with and sisters with respect and with dignity. So

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<v Speaker 4>there's there's a lot more of that happening, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's it's happening for the better, which is great,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think we still do have a challenge where

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<v Speaker 4>instead of talking with and for one another, we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>past each other and that doesn't help unfortunately. And so

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<v Speaker 4>so we have, you know, another one. On hand, we're

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<v Speaker 4>learning and and education is getting out there. And on

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<v Speaker 4>the other hand, there's a communication problem I think in

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<v Speaker 4>our society and that that has to get better.

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<v Speaker 2>So we needed some intelligent conversation. I get a little

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<v Speaker 2>I get a little plug in there, Carlson. Seriously, that's

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<v Speaker 2>always been our mission here is let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>All points of view are welcome if you can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and I think you know it's it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>stating and not just as a promotional thing. Carls. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a break when we come back more

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about and you mentioned funding federal cuts, how

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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with that. I know you've got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of projects going on. We got to talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>and how people can contact you, use your services, help

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<v Speaker 2>your services. A lot more to go, so I know

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<v Speaker 2>I have you there. You can't go anywhere remind our

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<v Speaker 2>audience not to go anywhere. This has been an absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>terrific informative show. My very special guest is Carlos Martinez.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the CEO and executive director of Bridges formerly still

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<v Speaker 2>the Brockland Independent Living Center. This is Being Frank. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, everyone to being Frank. I'm your host, Frank Lebono.

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<v Speaker 2>Our very special guest is Carlos Martinez. He's the chief

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<v Speaker 2>executive officer and executive director of the Rockland Independent Living Center,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also known aka as Bridges. We're having a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful conversation. We found out we have so much in common,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to continue conversation, including our Fordham University connection.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the story for another day. Carlos, you mentioned a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. I mean you have a place to run

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<v Speaker 2>and that requires funding money. Where do you get your funding?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you funded? And with that in mind, we

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<v Speaker 2>know what's happening cuts in federal spending just about everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're relying on that, how are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to make up for that difference? But first, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you funded and how are you going to go forward?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Absolutely, you know, part of our financial struggle already

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<v Speaker 4>came unfortunately this past year. Our largest funding funded program

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<v Speaker 4>is through our state Medicaid program, which allows people with

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<v Speaker 4>disabilities to live at home and hire their own family

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<v Speaker 4>member or friend to take care of them. It's called

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<v Speaker 4>CDPAP or Consumer Director Personal Assistance. We've been doing that

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<v Speaker 4>as a nonprofit for over twenty six seven years, and

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<v Speaker 4>this past year, unfortunately, our governor changed it and removed

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<v Speaker 4>the program from over three hundred providers and gave it

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<v Speaker 4>to one statewide entity to run it. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>very frustrating process. We were involved in a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>advocacy in lawsuits because we felt that it was the

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<v Speaker 4>wrong The intention was to save the state money and

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<v Speaker 4>and even to this day, since the one organization has

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<v Speaker 4>taken over, we haven't seen the fruits of that. We

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<v Speaker 4>haven't seen the savings, and so we are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're we're in the process of adjusting to that because

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<v Speaker 4>that was unfortunately seventy five percent of our budget. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>and we lost that entire thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And as difficult as that was, we had to make

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<v Speaker 4>pivots and some changes and restructure a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 4>we're still in the industry. We're still providing services under

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<v Speaker 4>under contract with the entity that took over. But we

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<v Speaker 4>are hoping that we see things change for the better

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<v Speaker 4>and not for the worse as has been witnessed to

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<v Speaker 4>this day with the changeover.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the things that you can do, Carlos,

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<v Speaker 2>What might I mean, that's seventy five percent have your funding.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an extraordinary amount of money to try to make up.

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<v Speaker 4>How can you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean we took a strategic step a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years to go to add another area of service

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<v Speaker 4>that's very similar to that one. So from a business perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>what we decided to do was add similar program funded

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<v Speaker 4>by a different industry altogether. And so from CDPAP we

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<v Speaker 4>added a program called VDC Veteran Directed Care, and that

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<v Speaker 4>program does the same thing where it allows veterans to

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<v Speaker 4>hire a family member or friend and someone they trust

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<v Speaker 4>and they get paid through this program that is funded

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<v Speaker 4>by the VA. And so it's a little bit different

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<v Speaker 4>where through CDPATH we were funded by state dollars, where

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<v Speaker 4>with the VDC program, we're now funded by VA dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that could always come into play at the federal

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<v Speaker 4>level in next year's budget and we'll see what happens,

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<v Speaker 4>but at this time, making adding that program has helped

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<v Speaker 4>offset a little bit of these changes to allow us

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<v Speaker 4>to repurpose, allow staff to you know, uh, to work

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<v Speaker 4>for the VDC program so that don't they don't lose

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<v Speaker 4>their jobs and repurpose some administrative structure so that we

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<v Speaker 4>have support for that program as well. And that program

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<v Speaker 4>has grown substantially within the last two years that we've

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<v Speaker 4>had it. But even with that, we've lost I mean

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<v Speaker 4>we you know, in the in the department that we

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<v Speaker 4>have for the CDPAT program, we lost about seven staff

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<v Speaker 4>altogether over the course of the last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, and and while we did lose that,

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<v Speaker 4>we also gained you know, because we had we gained

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<v Speaker 4>new grants with creating new contracts, you know, at county

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<v Speaker 4>and state levels to provide services uh the way that

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<v Speaker 4>we do in different ways for the community. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to answer your question even further, we're not just funded

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<v Speaker 4>by Medicaid dollars. We're also funded by state grant dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>by county dollars, grant dollars that support all the different

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<v Speaker 4>areas and facets of our organization. Whether we're serving people

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the justice system and coming out of incarceration

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<v Speaker 4>re entering the community, or we're serving people who are

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<v Speaker 4>blind or visually impaired, or we're serving our veterans these

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<v Speaker 4>are all grant dollars that come from the state and

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<v Speaker 4>some county dollars to help support the work that we

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<v Speaker 4>do in the community. And so at the federal level,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know exactly based on what we've seen, how

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to impact us. We're sort of waiting and seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're sort of in that period of time. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as as an as a nonprofit, we're businesses and we

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we take that approach of making sure that

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<v Speaker 4>we can protect the business and make sure that we

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<v Speaker 4>can protect our organization long term. And we're doing that

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<v Speaker 4>by making decisions that helped respond help I guess what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean is help put us in a position so

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<v Speaker 4>that we're not responding, but we're proactive in dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>these potential situations that can put any nonprofit at risk

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<v Speaker 4>of closing your doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you mentioned your community involvement. What about the community's

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<v Speaker 2>involvement with you? How do people get involved with bridges

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<v Speaker 2>or do you accept donations? In other words, how do

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<v Speaker 2>people become in.

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<v Speaker 4>Froned with absolutely? I mean that's you know, there's never

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<v Speaker 4>been a more pivotal time to help nonprofits and the

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<v Speaker 4>work that we do. I mean there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 4>really absorbit in number out there that if nonprofits didn't

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<v Speaker 4>do the work that they did, the costs that the

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<v Speaker 4>government would have to dish out to do it would

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<v Speaker 4>be astronomically higher.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Diane's sarritory of people people for your regular guests,

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<v Speaker 2>she she regularly harps on that why are we always

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<v Speaker 2>doing the government's job without us? But police continue to mean.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right. I mean, there's there's the perspective here

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<v Speaker 4>that has to be viewed by the community that if

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<v Speaker 4>the nonprofit organization, these businesses didn't do the job that

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<v Speaker 4>we were doing, it would cost the government twice, if

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<v Speaker 4>not three times as much to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And so there's value in having us. We also provide jobs,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we also provide career opportunities, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>your support there's you know, the community support is really

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<v Speaker 4>optimal and really uh, you know, amazing, and the way

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<v Speaker 4>that people are involved with the organization. They we have

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<v Speaker 4>corporate donors that donate on an annual an annual basis,

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<v Speaker 4>we have individuals that donate to specific programs to help

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<v Speaker 4>us with our shortfalls, and we have individuals that are

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<v Speaker 4>involved even from the point of volunteering. We have a

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<v Speaker 4>program called the Chore Program where if you're a handy person,

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<v Speaker 4>we will send you to a person. So I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>senior or a personal disability who needs help perhaps putting

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<v Speaker 4>a light bulb or taking out the air conditioner for

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<v Speaker 4>the winter season, or any small handyman work that could

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<v Speaker 4>be done reasonably. We have volunteers that go out and

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<v Speaker 4>do that and they are phenomenal in helping folks stay

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<v Speaker 4>safe in their home.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us you know, I understand you have a number

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<v Speaker 2>of current projects that Bridges is involved with. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about them in some detail. Please.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, absolutely, Yeah, we have an extraordinary project that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>excited to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the issues, there's two main issues with housing

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<v Speaker 4>in general. Right everybody knows affordability is an issue with house.

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<v Speaker 4>The other issue that people don't talk about as often

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<v Speaker 4>is the fact that housing there isn't enough accessible housing.

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<v Speaker 4>When you think about the only accessible housing that exists

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<v Speaker 4>are for seniors and senior housing or low income housing

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<v Speaker 4>in summers in some ways and not always or have

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<v Speaker 4>accessible units. But at the end of the day, we're

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<v Speaker 4>really doing a disservice to our community. When we don't

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<v Speaker 4>really talk about that at the same time as we

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<v Speaker 4>are with affordability issues. And it doesn't mean that everything

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<v Speaker 4>that's accessible has to be affordable, although everything affordable should

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<v Speaker 4>be accessible. But the idea is that, and I like

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<v Speaker 4>to share it this way, right, I have a board

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<v Speaker 4>member who is a wheelchair user, and he said to me, Carlos,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not poor. I just can't find housing that's accessible,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And so for him, he have to buy

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<v Speaker 4>home and then retrofit it or add on to it

634
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<v Speaker 4>and completely spend money that he doesn't want to spend

635
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<v Speaker 4>to get a home built so that it meets his needs.

636
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<v Speaker 4>And so what we're doing right now in New City,

637
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<v Speaker 4>we bought a house and we are we brought it

638
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<v Speaker 4>down to its foundation and we're going to rebuild it

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<v Speaker 4>with universal design principles. What universal design principles speak of

640
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<v Speaker 4>and have to do is is to design spaces to

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<v Speaker 4>ensure that the largest body of people can access it.

642
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<v Speaker 4>So let me give you an example. Right accessibility only

643
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<v Speaker 4>goes so far. The ADEA, the Americans of Disabilities Act,

644
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<v Speaker 4>is the law that enacted that every public place should

645
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<v Speaker 4>be accessible to people disabilities. Right, you should have ramps.

646
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<v Speaker 4>You should have doorways that are accessible, right. It doesn't

647
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<v Speaker 4>go into the residential realm.

648
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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So universal design number one is taking away the stigma

650
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<v Speaker 4>that is related to accessibility and disability, because too many

651
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<v Speaker 4>people think disability or accessibility, and they're asking us, are

652
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 4>you building a group home? Are you building a nursing home?

653
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<v Speaker 4>And we're going no, that's not the point of universal design.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, think simpler. Think a parent with their stroller, right,

655
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<v Speaker 4>how much more convenient would it be for them to

656
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<v Speaker 4>be able to get in their front door without having

657
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<v Speaker 4>to go up any steps, to allow their stroller to

658
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<v Speaker 4>access easily, right, or maybe even their one or two

659
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 4>year old that's walking now that they don't have to

660
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<v Speaker 4>worry about a step and the potential of getting injured. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Think about a grandparent that's coming to visit you that

662
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<v Speaker 4>can't go up flight of steps. A universally designed home

663
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<v Speaker 4>takes into account all these different scenarios, not just a

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<v Speaker 4>wheelchair user, not just a person who's blind or visually impaired,

665
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<v Speaker 4>or death or heart of hearing, or someone with down syndrome,

666
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<v Speaker 4>or someone who's autistic. Right, we're talking about the entirety

667
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<v Speaker 4>of our community and the idea that a thirty four

668
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<v Speaker 4>inch doorway is good for anyone, and that a ramp

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<v Speaker 4>or no step entry is good for anyone, or levers

670
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<v Speaker 4>instead of doorknobs is good for anyone. Right, it's if

671
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<v Speaker 4>you think about it this way, we think about uh,

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<v Speaker 4>there'sn't There's a really cool image online and if you

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<v Speaker 4>if you, if you're hearing it, and you can google it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's an you can google image of of of janitor

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<v Speaker 4>shoveling the snow in front of the school, and you'll

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<v Speaker 4>find an image that clearly shows that this person is

677
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<v Speaker 4>shoveling the steps first and not the ramp. And a

678
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<v Speaker 4>student in a wheelchair goes to the janitor and said, well,

679
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<v Speaker 4>why didn't you shovel the ramp first, And the janitor

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<v Speaker 4>just says, I'm I'm just trying to get the snow

681
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<v Speaker 4>off the steps so that these students could get in.

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<v Speaker 4>And then she responds saying, but if you shovel the ramp,

683
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<v Speaker 4>we can all get in. That's that's universal design. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not about treating someone more special. It's about making

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<v Speaker 4>sure that everybody has access at the same time. So simple,

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<v Speaker 4>it's so simple, and that's what universal design is and

687
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<v Speaker 4>what we're doing with this house, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>showcase this so we can the community has a chance

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<v Speaker 4>to come in and see it, because there'll be things

690
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<v Speaker 4>that are so simple in practice that you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>known as part of the universal design concept, because people

692
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<v Speaker 4>have a tendency to go too far into a normalized

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<v Speaker 4>way of thinking where everything has to look a certain way,

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<v Speaker 4>like it has to look like a nursing home, or

695
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<v Speaker 4>it has to be a group on me if you're

696
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<v Speaker 4>building it with accessibility. Now, we want more inventory of

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<v Speaker 4>homes to be available that have universal design principles build

698
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<v Speaker 4>in place, so that if you or I wanted to

699
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<v Speaker 4>buy the house, Frank, we could. It doesn't mean we

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<v Speaker 4>have to be disabled to buy it. It just means

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<v Speaker 4>that if one day we have a party and we

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<v Speaker 4>have a friend, that friend who uses a wheelchair or

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<v Speaker 4>a friend who uses crutches, maybe temporarily disabled, they would

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<v Speaker 4>be able to access the home just as well as

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<v Speaker 4>we do. And that's the whole idea, and maybe we

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<v Speaker 4>acquire this ability later in age. The home is built

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<v Speaker 4>for us. It's truly a forever home, as they like

708
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<v Speaker 4>to call it, right and that's the idea is to

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<v Speaker 4>showcase what this means so that we can advocate for

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<v Speaker 4>more homes to be built with these principles at the

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<v Speaker 4>very least the first level of each home, so that

712
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<v Speaker 4>people can live there with dignity and not have to

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<v Speaker 4>build out or move out in order to find something

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<v Speaker 4>that meets their needs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's kind of funny, not funny, but getting

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<v Speaker 2>of the age. And my partner Amanda is starting to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that maybe we'll start looking for a single floor place.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, you know, it's it's you know, say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tongue and cheek, but there's a certain level

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<v Speaker 2>of seriousness to that. Absolutely, at a certain point as

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<v Speaker 2>you age, do you want to be dealing with a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of stares so that you know it's a simple

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<v Speaker 2>thing and it doesn't necessarily instead of separating us from

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<v Speaker 2>those who are so called disabled, it's something we really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of share exactly. Yes, closed, what does you see

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<v Speaker 2>as the future for places like bridges and for people

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<v Speaker 2>who to use your services?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean we you know, well, I guess our

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<v Speaker 4>vision for the future is that we have a more

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<v Speaker 4>barrier free society, you know, and that's that's really what

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<v Speaker 4>our vision is actually, you know, and the and and

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<v Speaker 4>we hope that through the work that we're doing more

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<v Speaker 4>and more that Rockland. You know, if there's any place

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<v Speaker 4>that could be the leader in universal design and accessibility

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<v Speaker 4>and equity for people with disabilities, it's Rocke And I

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<v Speaker 4>mean it's in the name, It's rock Land. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's one of the most hilliest, rockiest places here in

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<v Speaker 4>the Hudson Valley region. And the more that we could

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<v Speaker 4>show the rest of the state and even the country

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<v Speaker 4>that regardless of landscape, we can be more universally designed. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be the dream. I mean, that would be

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<v Speaker 4>the goal ultimately.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And so and I know that we can do it.

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<v Speaker 4>We can and hopefully this house can be an example

746
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<v Speaker 4>of the future. And and and maybe even incentivizing legislation

747
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<v Speaker 4>for builders that they can be incentivized if they build

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<v Speaker 4>with universal design principles. That's what we want to have happened,

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<v Speaker 4>so that there's more availability of places that meets the

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<v Speaker 4>needs of anybody who wants to live in it. And uh,

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<v Speaker 4>and yeah, I mean for for bridges, I mean, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I see as growing we have ideas to

753
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<v Speaker 4>expand as an organization to help smaller nonprofits. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think the day and age is coming where nonprofits

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<v Speaker 4>really have to work together and collaborate.

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<v Speaker 2>Great great point offing made and mentioned Diane Servitor from

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<v Speaker 2>People with People. Oh yeah, that if you created synergy,

758
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<v Speaker 2>that's a great point to be made.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, there's a reason why I love Diane. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we think we do very well. No, we all, she

761
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<v Speaker 4>really is awesome and uh, you know so I absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>agree with that. You you know, we we have a

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<v Speaker 4>responsibility to thrive as organizations. We don't have to try

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<v Speaker 4>and survive all the time. If we have partnerships and

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<v Speaker 4>collaborations that work, you know, we can we can work

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<v Speaker 4>together and do it right so that we're not constantly

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<v Speaker 4>trying to chase after uh, and that we're thriving instead

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<v Speaker 4>and doing the work that we've been wanting to do

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<v Speaker 4>for the community. And we do it there. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's different ways to do it. Our way of doing

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<v Speaker 4>it is through sort of a management management a service

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<v Speaker 4>management organization model which allows smaller nonprofits to collaborate work

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<v Speaker 4>with us under a management agreement where we can provide

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<v Speaker 4>the administrative supports, payroll, HR and all that and allow

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<v Speaker 4>folks to do what they're experts in and so they

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to worry about the rest. And so that's

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<v Speaker 4>the type of thing we're building and right now and

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm looking forward to that for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's talk about how people can contact Bridges. You websites,

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<v Speaker 2>phone numbers, whatever you choose to give. How can people

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with you and.

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<v Speaker 4>Bridges Absolutely, I mean, first and foremost, check out our website.

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<v Speaker 4>It has it's it's uh got great level of information

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<v Speaker 4>and detail on our programs. You know, We're fortunate in

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<v Speaker 4>the way that people donate to us, you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>they meet our organization, they see what we do, and

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<v Speaker 4>they always have a favorite, you know, Like we have

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<v Speaker 4>donors that love to give towards our vision services. We

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<v Speaker 4>have donors that love to give towards our veteran services,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and and so that's the beauty of who

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<v Speaker 4>we are. There's an area that that hits home for you,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, check out our website and you can give

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<v Speaker 4>towards that programming, you know, so that it can help

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<v Speaker 4>us with any areas of shortfalls or any areas of

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<v Speaker 4>support that we need. But you know, our website is

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<v Speaker 4>www dot bridges RC dot org. You can visit us

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<v Speaker 4>there or you call out. You know, I'm always here

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<v Speaker 4>in the office. You can talk with me. You can

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<v Speaker 4>talk to some of our team members our numbers eight

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<v Speaker 4>four five six two four one three six six and

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<v Speaker 4>uh yeah, I'd love to talk to anybody who wants

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<v Speaker 4>to get to know more about us, understand what we

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<v Speaker 4>do and how they can support well.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos Martinez, CEO and executive director of Bridges, we want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank you for being frank with us in your

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<v Speaker 2>tallent conversation today and for talking with us today. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really great. I really learned a lot. I really did.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the things so simple and yet so sublime

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<v Speaker 2>and singing effective. We do our best to make them happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Sometimes we overthink things as humans, and we have

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<v Speaker 4>to remember that. You know, with the right support of

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<v Speaker 4>the right guidance, things can be a lot simpler than

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<v Speaker 4>we imagine than to be great terrific. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We offer special thanks to our listeners as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>take time to give us the voice in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>We offer fresh topic just about every week and catch

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<v Speaker 2>us wherever and whenever you get your favorite podcasts that

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<v Speaker 2>includes Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Speaker and all the rest. Check

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<v Speaker 2>That's how we get the word out. We would appreciate that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Always leave you with the last two little things.

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<v Speaker 2>Some original music and we'll have that in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But before that, a little slogan, something to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fit with our conversation today. And who better to go

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<v Speaker 2>to than Nelson Mandela when he said for to be

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<v Speaker 2>free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but

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<v Speaker 2>to live in a way that respects and enhances the

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of others. Okay, so there it is, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Some original music from my friend Ria Vogel and her band.

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<v Speaker 2>They're terrific. They're called the Scoop and it's a song

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<v Speaker 2>about overcoming obstacles. It's called Another Sunrise. Hey for our engineer,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the mail man, mister Neil Richter. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Lobono, and we hope to have you join us

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<v Speaker 2>on the next being Frank, We're the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>be is Frank. Thanks everyone, good.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad, right, and there is wrong.

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<v Speaker 7>Side the baby is born and someone does, It's just

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<v Speaker 7>another sunrise. Friends will come and friends will go. Don't

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<v Speaker 5>In our home.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where we the.

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<v Speaker 7>Eastern West, from sea to sea.

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<v Speaker 3>The features now.

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<v Speaker 2>What it used to be.

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<v Speaker 6>I know the end.

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<v Speaker 3>The sun will shine again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fasts.

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<v Speaker 2>The basic cries.

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