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Speaker 3: this beautiful morning. Our guest for today is Steven. Good morning, Steven.
Speaker 3: How are you sir?
Speaker 5: Doing good? Jeege? Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 5: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Likewise, I'm very blessed to have this type of
Speaker 3: conversation once or twice a week with like minded people.
Speaker 3: Before we get started, please do take the time and
Speaker 3: introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm Steven. As I said, I grew up
Speaker 5: in a Christian home and my parents are pastors and
Speaker 5: went to a Christian university. But it wasn't until about
Speaker 5: like ten years ago that I started looking into other things.
Speaker 5: And I mean, unlike a lot of people, I think
Speaker 5: flat Earth was the first thing that really made me
Speaker 5: start questioning the reality of a lot of other things
Speaker 5: as well. I mean, it's it's very interesting. Tell you
Speaker 5: some other things about me. I married, got some kids,
Speaker 5: we live in Texas Fort Worth area, and yeah, man,
Speaker 5: I'm passionate about the truth. Pastor's kid. I grew up
Speaker 5: in church all my life, went to a Bible school
Speaker 5: in college, and really, you know, love the Lord, loves different,
Speaker 5: love the Word of God. Passionate about teaching other people
Speaker 5: about God's words. And I think it was probably twenty
Speaker 5: fifteen that I saw this video on YouTube about flat
Speaker 5: Earth and I thought it would be funny. I actually
Speaker 5: like watched it to get a good laugh, and it
Speaker 5: was one of those by Eric Dubay, I believe, and
Speaker 5: he just started quoting scripture almost the entire time, and
Speaker 5: that really was a shocker to me. I didn't think
Speaker 5: that it would be anything that was in the Bible
Speaker 5: or able to be proven from the Bible. So I
Speaker 5: really started like questioning things and started looking it out
Speaker 5: for myself. Yeah, I've always been a truth seeker, but
Speaker 5: I never really questioned my reality around me until that time.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I think a lot of people, including myself,
Speaker 3: when we first really broached the subject of flat earth.
Speaker 3: We you know, we go into it for a laugh
Speaker 3: or to disprove it. You know, we say, people really
Speaker 3: believe this stuff. And then like you say, you start
Speaker 3: being presented versus from the Bible and then common sense,
Speaker 3: and then we can't we can see too far and
Speaker 3: water being contained and all these other things. And then
Speaker 3: all at once it hits you and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: my goodness, we've really been duped. And then when that
Speaker 3: veil falls, you were able at least for me, it
Speaker 3: was much easier for me to see the lies of
Speaker 3: this world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then started looking into like the fact that
Speaker 5: all the ancient cultures all believed the earth was flat
Speaker 5: with a dome over the top. They had different renditions
Speaker 5: and artists depictions, but they all believed that. And that
Speaker 5: even you look at the symbol of the yin and
Speaker 5: the yang that's like the sun and the moon over
Speaker 5: the top of the flat earth, that they're the ones
Speaker 5: guiding everything, and that it's like it's not the Earth
Speaker 5: revolving around anything else. That that's a much newer concept.
Speaker 5: And the fact is that they created these concepts of evolution,
Speaker 5: and they fight the same way to only teach evolution
Speaker 5: in school, and if you have any type of differing opinion,
Speaker 5: you get mocked or banned or shadow band or like
Speaker 5: lose your tenure in school. Like you go against their narrative,
Speaker 5: and they don't really fight fair. It's like the teeth
Speaker 5: come out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even the most brilliant you know, the people and
Speaker 3: cultures through history, whether it's the Greeks, the Persians, the Indians,
Speaker 3: the Incans, even the Hebrews, the Mayans, the Celtic, they
Speaker 3: all at one point through their writings believe that we
Speaker 3: were on a flat surface with a dome, all of them.
Speaker 3: If you go back and look, just look at Ancient
Speaker 3: Wisdom Flat Earth. Put that into your Google search and
Speaker 3: you'll see all of the depictions of old ancient societies
Speaker 3: that all believed and understood how this, you know, how
Speaker 3: our realm worked and it was a skyclock and it
Speaker 3: was the sky that was moving and not us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's totally yeh man. Like I'm trying to explain
Speaker 5: to friends and family loved ones that all these types
Speaker 5: of concepts and you're lucky if you get you know,
Speaker 5: halfway through one of the concepts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they shut you down quickly. Now you came
Speaker 3: upon this. You said you were a sophomore in college.
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, that probably like ten years ago. I'm
Speaker 5: like forty three now, Oh okay, okay, Yeah, in college,
Speaker 5: like I learned about baptism, the Holy Spirit and those
Speaker 5: kind of things. Yeah, it's still new to me the
Speaker 5: like ten years ago for even questioning all these type
Speaker 5: of things. I always wanted more of God. I always
Speaker 5: wanted more of the Bible, always trying to find the
Speaker 5: truth about even like our historical timeline. Finding out that
Speaker 5: like Egypt, and the narrative that they tell us is
Speaker 5: trying not to line up with when the biblical narrative
Speaker 5: says that Joseph was there and the people of Israel
Speaker 5: were there. So I thought I saw lots of things
Speaker 5: throughout history that it's like, oh yeah, the things they
Speaker 5: tell us about that the flood is not possible, or
Speaker 5: they tell us that Israel wasn't there at this timeline,
Speaker 5: or they try to convince us about evolution. Like I've
Speaker 5: seen those things. There's an agenda behind them, But I
Speaker 5: didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, And you come from an interesting perspective, whereas even
Speaker 3: most people within the church community. You went to a
Speaker 3: probably a private Christian university that probably still maybe they
Speaker 3: did teach Young Earth. That was you know, they're at
Speaker 3: this sixty five hundred years and they probably am assuming
Speaker 3: didn't teach evolution or Big Bang. So now that you
Speaker 3: know you have this knowledge, isn't this something you wish
Speaker 3: that we could be able to, if you know, break
Speaker 3: through the glass ceiling, if you will, for lack of
Speaker 3: better words, and get this information out there and try
Speaker 3: to get both churches and you know, private institutions to
Speaker 3: to share this knowledge.
Speaker 5: I really do. I think, like the same way that
Speaker 5: the secular schools will not let you teach anything other
Speaker 5: than evolution and Old Earth and the Big Bang, the
Speaker 5: same way to Christian schools and even the organizations like
Speaker 5: you were talking about answers and Genesis will shut down
Speaker 5: anything having to do with what really the Bible says
Speaker 5: about the shape of the Earth. I think that's important
Speaker 5: to even just cooking both models side by side and
Speaker 5: let kids study both of them. I don't think that
Speaker 5: there's any reason why they can't take the scriptures for
Speaker 5: themselves and lay it out like even Michael Heiser, love
Speaker 5: his research and stuff like that. That he says, the
Speaker 5: Bible is very clear about the earth being flat, with
Speaker 5: the dome over the top, the heavens above that, and
Speaker 5: Hell or sheol underneath. But he's like, but we don't
Speaker 5: actually believe that because now we have science, so it
Speaker 5: must have been, you know, metaphoric. But all the people
Speaker 5: back then would have believed that this is the model
Speaker 5: of the Earth. It's like, oh my gosh, buddy. You know.
Speaker 3: Another good point, this is another article I'm working on
Speaker 3: my sub stack, is because we mentioned you know a
Speaker 3: lot of people send their children to private institutions where
Speaker 3: prayers andcluded, but a lot of people send their children
Speaker 3: to public institutions. And back in the day, you know
Speaker 3: that they have this distinction between church and state, and
Speaker 3: people push that, but it's a one way street, right
Speaker 3: like that. I think it was a landmark ruling back
Speaker 3: in the sixties where they basically took religion out of
Speaker 3: school and people get caught up into the politics and
Speaker 3: the constitution more than they do the Bible, which should
Speaker 3: raise a bell. When the Puritans first came over here,
Speaker 3: they called them pilgrims, right, they were making a pilgrimage
Speaker 3: from the United Kingdom to America because they believed that
Speaker 3: the Reformation in King James didn't go far enough. I
Speaker 3: think there could be some underlying stories there. Could it
Speaker 3: be that when King James canonized the Bible with the
Speaker 3: help of Francis Bacon, who many people believe was actually
Speaker 3: William Shakespeare, you know, he took out the apocrypha. But
Speaker 3: there's a lot of reasoning behind that. So they came
Speaker 3: to a Maria and their education, early American education before
Speaker 3: we actually became America, right in the United States of America,
Speaker 3: was all based around the Bible, and then after the
Speaker 3: Founding Fathers took over, they slowly took the Bible out
Speaker 3: of education. Right, shouldn't morals be the very basis of
Speaker 3: our education?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. And the fact that you even
Speaker 5: brought up the separation of church and state, which was
Speaker 5: only in the letter by Thomas Jefferson, and it's not
Speaker 5: the way that they taught us. Separation of church and
Speaker 5: state is to protect the church from the state and
Speaker 5: not vice versa.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's the free Masonic mantra, is to invert everything,
Speaker 3: and that's what they ended up doing. They ended up
Speaker 3: using something that was supposed to protect churches from the government,
Speaker 3: and they invert it and took par out of the school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and now they want to protect the government from
Speaker 5: the church. Like, it's ridiculous. We're called to be a
Speaker 5: light to shine in these places, in all the seven
Speaker 5: mountains of influence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a double edged sword. And that's why I
Speaker 3: tell people you've got to be really careful when you
Speaker 3: jump into political things like that, and if it in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form goes against what we're taught biblically,
Speaker 3: you have to walk away from it. And that is,
Speaker 3: you know, part of the you know, within the matrix
Speaker 3: system that has been built, the two party political system,
Speaker 3: and investing in it is dangerous. If you get too
Speaker 3: deep into it, you lose focus.
Speaker 5: M It's a totally flawed system that's set up that
Speaker 5: it seems like any way that we come against their
Speaker 5: official narrative. It could be in politics, it can be
Speaker 5: in the media, it can be in education. That every
Speaker 5: area we're coming against the idea of what they think
Speaker 5: about Christmas, or the idea of what they think about
Speaker 5: the shape of the earth or evolution, or like the
Speaker 5: timeline that we might not even be. Some people think
Speaker 5: we might even be in the timeline that you know,
Speaker 5: it might be off by hundreds or thousands of years.
Speaker 5: And that's very interesting too. But anytime you question the
Speaker 5: reality that they have presented, then yeah, there's no holds
Speaker 5: barred to come after you.
Speaker 3: You know it all great points. By the way, I
Speaker 3: just remembered, I've been doing a lot of research on
Speaker 3: the Founding Fathers and this is the story really true
Speaker 3: or was it? You know, a way to kind of
Speaker 3: round up all those pesky colonials right that didn't want
Speaker 3: any part of taxes or to be ruled over right
Speaker 3: to be governed. Actually, right up until about the Civil War,
Speaker 3: Christmas was illegal in many of the colonial areas.
Speaker 5: Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Puritans disapproved because of its pagan associations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a very questionable holiday. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't think it's wrong to celebrate Jesus, which nobody
Speaker 5: really believes he was born on Christmas Day, and like,
Speaker 5: I don't think that's wrong, but there's so much pagan
Speaker 5: things behind why they chose that time of year, why
Speaker 5: they have trees decorated with hanging balls, and the red
Speaker 5: and the green and all these type of symbols are
Speaker 5: not Christian symbols. We've just adopted them. But in the
Speaker 5: same way that the certain denominations of the churchill will
Speaker 5: take like maybe the Catholic Church would be one of them.
Speaker 5: Instead of praying to the ancient Greek gods, we've christianized
Speaker 5: them and used like Christian saints, and so they pray
Speaker 5: to the saints, which is not biblical. You pray to
Speaker 5: a mediator between you and Jesus, but Jesus is the
Speaker 5: mediator between us and the Father. You don't need another mediator.
Speaker 3: Precisely. And that's you know when you when you say
Speaker 3: having another mediator, that really speaks to the flaws of Catholicism.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, there's flaws in every denomination, so yeahly, but
Speaker 5: that one's that one's pretty strong.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's a great point.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: You said you kind of you were woken up originally
Speaker 3: by an Eric Dubay video and many of the verses
Speaker 3: he was pointing to, and that got your attention. What
Speaker 3: was the one verse that really got your attention? And
Speaker 3: then let's kind of get to your silver your your
Speaker 3: your silver bullets. While you were going through your awakening
Speaker 3: process with flat Earth. What were some of the proofs
Speaker 3: that really got your attention.
Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the first ones that probably
Speaker 5: struck my attention was when it's like he sits above
Speaker 5: the circle of the Earth. And then later on in
Speaker 5: Isaiah it talks about God crumbling the enemy nation I
Speaker 5: forget which one it was into a ball and tossing them,
Speaker 5: and like, the fact is that every culture has a
Speaker 5: different word for circle and ball. God's not confused and
Speaker 5: what he means. He didn't say that he sits above
Speaker 5: the ball of the earth, and I had to like,
Speaker 5: at least look into that. The fact that in Job
Speaker 5: thirty eight it talks about the Earth, it takes form
Speaker 5: or it takes shape like clay under a seal. For me,
Speaker 5: that looks nothing like a ball when you're pushing a
Speaker 5: seal into clay or into wax or something like that.
Speaker 5: I even bought myself a seal that has the shape
Speaker 5: of the flat Earth on it, so every time I
Speaker 5: push that into something like that, I can see, like,
Speaker 5: this is what God is describing the earth to look like.
Speaker 5: Those things like really made me like question and look
Speaker 5: into it. It's like and the excuse of my friends
Speaker 5: and people will say, well, it's just metaphor. And my
Speaker 5: question back is, why do we get to choose what God,
Speaker 5: which things God says are metaphors and which aren't. Why
Speaker 5: don't we at least be honest enough to look into
Speaker 5: the fact that he said this is what the earth
Speaker 5: is like.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Where did you get that? Uh that seal?
Speaker 5: The seal? Oh, they got so many They got so
Speaker 5: many cool things on Etsy. Just type in flat earth,
Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff come up. I got a ring
Speaker 5: that's also like the flat earth on the top. That's
Speaker 5: where I got this shirt from that I showed you earlier.
Speaker 5: They got so many cool things on Etsy. It's really great.
Speaker 3: While they do have a ton that they actually yeah,
Speaker 3: I see it. I see the flatters clay wax seal.
Speaker 3: That is amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they got one that you can do you
Speaker 5: can heat it up and like brand like leather and
Speaker 5: different stuff like that too.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That is great. I will be spending some
Speaker 3: money thanks to you.
Speaker 5: After you're totally welcome.
Speaker 3: That is awesome though it's worth every penny.
Speaker 5: So let's kind of I want to get one of
Speaker 5: those with the dome on there. It's the little model
Speaker 5: of it. They got all kinds of cool stuff there.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Steven, before we move on you you have
Speaker 3: some shout outs for people. Let's let's get him out
Speaker 3: of the way before we forget.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, let's do it. So my buddy, I just
Speaker 5: met him a couple of weeks ago. Sam, he's on
Speaker 5: food Shelter Water on YouTube. Shout out to him. You
Speaker 5: guys can follow him. He's total into many things, but
Speaker 5: one of them is the flat earth and he's out
Speaker 5: there and gun ranges having fun as well. Another guy
Speaker 5: that I've been following a long time also is on
Speaker 5: the same level that we are, and we know he's
Speaker 5: on a rumble. Got some friends back home, Sal Jordan, Karen,
Speaker 5: Mary Jane, Sam, Savannah Cayden. These guys might be watching
Speaker 5: this later, so I wanted to shout them out too.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. It's great to see, you know, the community
Speaker 3: continue to grow and that's kind of my follow One
Speaker 3: question is can you talk about have you had any
Speaker 3: successes in sharing this knowledge with people?
Speaker 5: Is typically it works with people who are already pretty
Speaker 5: open minded or like look into other conspiracies and things
Speaker 5: like that, and like sometimes you'll be bringing it up
Speaker 5: and you're not really sure how they're going to react,
Speaker 5: and they're like, yeah, I've known that for a while,
Speaker 5: and you're like, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Let's talk. And that's the thing I tell people is
Speaker 3: you'd be surprised how many people are. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: they started out on rogan and then maybe they worked
Speaker 3: their way to someone else and then they found another
Speaker 3: that was me, right, I say it was years ago.
Speaker 3: I thought I was really in the no listening to
Speaker 3: Glenn Beck, right, because he was a true chef. Then
Speaker 3: you find these people are gatekeepers, right, But you never
Speaker 3: know where people are on their journey. And unless you,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of get up the gumption and kind
Speaker 3: of talk to people about this stuff, you'll never know.
Speaker 5: So I got an interesting thuff for you here. And
Speaker 5: it's not to put any shade on anybody. I love
Speaker 5: this pastor friend of mine, but he was telling me
Speaker 5: back when I was going to that church. He's like,
Speaker 5: whatever you do, never talk about flatter to our church.
Speaker 5: And I was like why and he's like, you're serving here.
Speaker 5: People look to you for leadership and this is just
Speaker 5: going to make you look crazy. I don't want anything
Speaker 5: like that. To discount how people see you. And even
Speaker 5: though I tried to explain that I don't really care
Speaker 5: if they look down on me. It's like, I'm more
Speaker 5: interested in the truth than I am about, you know,
Speaker 5: looking impressive to people. He still just asked me, please
Speaker 5: just don't talk about it here. So I have friends
Speaker 5: from there that I talk about it in other places
Speaker 5: or on the phone or you know, the parking lot,
Speaker 5: but we don't talk about it at the church.
Speaker 3: So it is interesting and it's frustrating. But at the
Speaker 3: same time I get it because we were all at
Speaker 3: one point on the other side of the fence, and
Speaker 3: when we heard those two words flat earth, it was
Speaker 3: directly right. It was just like an electrical connection. As
Speaker 3: soon as you heard those words, the wire's connected. And
Speaker 3: the result was that that's what crazy people who you know,
Speaker 3: live in their grandmother's basement belief. But once really but
Speaker 3: then once you get it, you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: you understand the level of set. You understand how much
Speaker 3: effort that they, the deceivers, the Luciferians put into this deception.
Speaker 3: But it's very frustrating when you see people, even like
Speaker 3: the Answers and Genesis, the people who have that arc
Speaker 3: replica down in Kentucky. He understands early you know, Young
Speaker 3: Earth and everything else, the flood actually happened. But you can't,
Speaker 3: like you said, like you're your pastor, you can't even
Speaker 3: bring up flatter. The Founded Earth brothers traveled you know,
Speaker 3: a thousand miles to go there and visit. And in
Speaker 3: the little conference when they had the Q and A,
Speaker 3: they shut him down. They folded him up like a
Speaker 3: lawn chair. And it's just like man and the It's
Speaker 3: not just they were presenting it with biblical versus. You know,
Speaker 3: they were citing verses and the Bible. It's just like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no that If that doesn't show you how deep
Speaker 3: the programming is and how much effort they put into this,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what else I can tell you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's great people that still holds that belief,
Speaker 5: and there's just like that prison for their mind when
Speaker 5: they think about the shape and all this type of stuff.
Speaker 5: They know, that's like's not that's one door I'm never
Speaker 5: going to open. I don't even want to know what's
Speaker 5: behind it. I don't want to look into it. And
Speaker 5: it's really sad to see how they're pursuing truth in
Speaker 5: every other realm except for this one. It's like very
Speaker 5: interesting how closed off, really open minded, strong believers can
Speaker 5: be sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And the disappointing thing is in it
Speaker 3: is you would think the last place where you want
Speaker 3: to be shut down is in a place of God,
Speaker 3: where you know you have this truth that has brought
Speaker 3: you know, you have the knowledge you know firsthand that
Speaker 3: has brought people back to God. Like what minister wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to have that tool in their toolbox, But if
Speaker 3: you bring it up.
Speaker 5: It strengthens our faith, not diminishing.
Speaker 3: Exactly, but man, I mean that that's you just got
Speaker 3: to tip your cat to the builders of the matrix
Speaker 3: because they understand how important this deception is. And there's
Speaker 3: a lot of them out there, right, and they all
Speaker 3: have different levels of meaning. Right. Satan is the prince
Speaker 3: of this world. It's cited in the Bible, and his
Speaker 3: most powerful tool is deception. Right. He can't pick up
Speaker 3: a beer bottle and put it in your hand, but
Speaker 3: he can tempt you just the same way he he
Speaker 3: tempted Jesus. Right, And yeah, so we have to be
Speaker 3: cognizant of this and understand that the attacks are twenty
Speaker 3: four hours a day, three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 3: a year, and you have to literally question everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Like there's so much that I feel like
Speaker 5: I've been on a ten year journey of literally doing that.
Speaker 5: That's why, like questioning Christmas and questioning different things, like
Speaker 5: looking into the Hebrew Movement and there's pitfalls on both
Speaker 5: sides there as well, and questioning like every like area
Speaker 5: of my life. It's like, am I really truly seeking
Speaker 5: God one hundred percent in this area? Or am I
Speaker 5: just holding on to the tradition that I've always like
Speaker 5: believed and been taught. Like are there scriptures that literally
Speaker 5: come against some of the and maybe maybe they're minor beliefs,
Speaker 5: but am I willing to give up even those minor
Speaker 5: ones to truly align the scripture?
Speaker 3: Great points? Great point?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's where it's taking me.
Speaker 3: Really, I wanted to talk to you about you were
Speaker 3: a missionary in Greece. Well, yeah, what is it like
Speaker 3: being a missionary? What part of Greece were you in?
Speaker 3: And just kind of good because I've always found that
Speaker 3: interesting people who are willing to just go, you know,
Speaker 3: teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in strange lands to them,
Speaker 3: you know, not strange lands, but in lands. Just hey,
Speaker 3: you're going here, you know, go how it works, how
Speaker 3: you were financially supported, just just kind of walk through that,
Speaker 3: how you were received.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a lot of good questions right there.
Speaker 5: So we decided that. And my wife is from Greece.
Speaker 5: He's from Athens, Greece, grew up out there. Her dad
Speaker 5: was pastoring a church over there, and he mentioned one
Speaker 5: time that or actually another pastor was telling me that
Speaker 5: the church there in Greece could use someone like me
Speaker 5: to be a benefit out there. And I prayed about
Speaker 5: it and started looking into it, seeing how I could
Speaker 5: go from the church denomination that I was a part of.
Speaker 5: And we went through classes and then training on what
Speaker 5: to expect, because it really shifts, like when you change cultures.
Speaker 5: There's things even when you come back, re entry and
Speaker 5: different things that you go through making sure you're there
Speaker 5: like for the benefit of the people and not for
Speaker 5: your own sake. There's all kinds of different things to
Speaker 5: be aware of. So we raised our funds. We went
Speaker 5: to different churches and people that we know, and that
Speaker 5: is a trip in and of itself very humbling experience.
Speaker 5: You can't be full of yourself and go out there
Speaker 5: and ask people for money, at least in might experience.
Speaker 5: I don't think. I'm not that kind of a creepy
Speaker 5: car salesman guy. Those type of things don't work for me.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's very humbling. You have to be brutally
Speaker 5: open it, like honest about yourself and the things you
Speaker 5: want to do over there. So the purpose that we
Speaker 5: went for was assisting the church, but also for me
Speaker 5: it was like discipling young guys. And that door really
Speaker 5: opened for me pretty naturally when I just was praying,
Speaker 5: like God, bring some guys, and during one of the camps,
Speaker 5: they all, like a bunch of them had questions about
Speaker 5: the Bible and about real issues of life, and nobody
Speaker 5: was really wanting to take time with them and answer
Speaker 5: those questions or like just trust us, you know this
Speaker 5: is what you need to believe. And I think religion
Speaker 5: does that even in good hearted people, that if we
Speaker 5: don't want to look at the real issues and seek
Speaker 5: out the answer, then we just give those type of
Speaker 5: pat answers or different types of things. But I'm like, no,
Speaker 5: let's look at it give me your real questions. And
Speaker 5: after camp they wanted to keep doing it. So we
Speaker 5: started a Bible study, started Disciple and a few of them,
Speaker 5: and that really is my passion. I told a few
Speaker 5: of them about the flat earth back then. I don't
Speaker 5: think they were ready for it, but it didn't make
Speaker 5: them lose respect for me in their eyes, I don't
Speaker 5: think because everything else I was saying they were like
Speaker 5: really passionate about. So I mean for me, like Greece
Speaker 5: was a great experience, and even coming back was hard,
Speaker 5: Like after about three and a half years, we just
Speaker 5: felt like God was saying to come back, but I'm like,
Speaker 5: come back to what, And it's really I haven't really
Speaker 5: found that answer. You know. Came back and did some
Speaker 5: life insurance and cleaning swimming pools and whatever I could find.
Speaker 5: Put my hand to the plow and get going. But
Speaker 5: it was really in Greece that I discovered this about
Speaker 5: ten years ago, the flatters. So yeah, I'm grateful for
Speaker 5: that experience.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, And that's something I enjoyed doing, is you know,
Speaker 3: taking my Bible tracks and Bibles and my backpack and
Speaker 3: going down downtown and just walking around and talking to
Speaker 3: people hitting out Bible tracks. Some people are very receptive,
Speaker 3: some people just know. Thanks to move Along, I've never
Speaker 3: had a bad interaction. And I think that's a misconception
Speaker 3: of people. There's there's no way I could go out
Speaker 3: and and you know, do that because people are just crazy,
Speaker 3: that's the perception, because they want TikTok and YouTube and
Speaker 3: Twitter and they see people getting hit over the head
Speaker 3: with bats and train stations, and they just think that
Speaker 3: everybody in this world is nuts. And that is also
Speaker 3: part of the matrix. Is to get people away from
Speaker 3: each other, is to keep people separated, and that is
Speaker 3: part of the double edged sword of technology. Right. We
Speaker 3: see many churches and I'm not by any way, shape
Speaker 3: or form saying this is a bad thing, because I
Speaker 3: use technology as my platform as well. However, you know,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty was a way to keep people home and
Speaker 3: out of the church. You know, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: good tool. Somebody sick, they can't make it on a Sunday,
Speaker 3: they can watch it from home and not miss anything.
Speaker 3: But if that becomes your primary source of fellowship, I
Speaker 3: think that is lacking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think one of the biggest scams of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty was telling people to stay home from church because
Speaker 5: they're sick. Like Jesus is our healer, and so why
Speaker 5: should we be turning people away from the church where
Speaker 5: they can come and pray. We shouldn't have fear that
Speaker 5: somebody said Jesus was touching lepers for crying out loud
Speaker 5: the most dangerous sickness of their time that they didn't
Speaker 5: have any type of cure for. And here we are,
Speaker 5: like somebody with the cold or flu or covid, and
Speaker 5: we're like, stay home or so scared, you know, don't
Speaker 5: come to us. That's the biggest scam, I tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, back in the nineties and two thousands, everybody had
Speaker 3: that bracelet WWJAD Right, what would Jesus do? And I
Speaker 3: always say, well, you know, I'll tell you what he
Speaker 3: wouldn't do. He wouldn't shut down the churches because of
Speaker 3: the flu.
Speaker 5: Seriously, Like when it says in the scriptures to not forsake,
Speaker 5: to gather together believers, that's exactly what we did.
Speaker 3: Amen to that. The next thing I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 3: and I meant to. I had a picture of this.
Speaker 3: You have a copy. If I remember correctly, you said
Speaker 3: that you have a copy of the the eighteen ninety
Speaker 3: seven readers Digest Atlas.
Speaker 5: I think it's nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, nineteen eighty seven. I'm don't get old. Folks
Speaker 3: do not recommend it. I read everything backwards now, nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty seven North Pole and it's got the image of
Speaker 3: the perfect circle at the equator right.
Speaker 5: Yes, which is I always bring up to people like
Speaker 5: you can hold a globe in your hands and look
Speaker 5: down from the North Pole and you cannot see the equator.
Speaker 5: It's not possible on a bowl that's on the side
Speaker 5: of it. There's no way you can get a perfect
Speaker 5: picture looking down on a ball and see the equator.
Speaker 5: And people have tried. They're like, uh, they're hoping that
Speaker 5: they can prove me wrong, but they can't. And then
Speaker 5: you take that picture and you're like, look, they said
Speaker 5: they took this picture from above the North Pole, and
Speaker 5: they just all they did was crop it right to
Speaker 5: the equator, thinking that that was a good place to
Speaker 5: do it, except for the fact that that exposes that
Speaker 5: the whole thing is a fraud. It's not a ball.
Speaker 3: I need to go on eBay because I know someway
Speaker 3: is that the one Is it a hardcover, the big one?
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, yes, and I have it in storage because
Speaker 5: we're getting ready to move into our home at the
Speaker 5: end of this month. But I can't wait to pull
Speaker 5: that thing out and show more people.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna in a minute, I'm going to put this
Speaker 3: on the screen just for I mean, obviously the people
Speaker 3: listening are gonna be able to see it, but I
Speaker 3: just before we go, I want to run that by
Speaker 3: to make sure this is the one because I'm going
Speaker 3: to buy it. I think it's only thirty five dollars
Speaker 3: on eBay right.
Speaker 5: Now, and yeah, totally worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally worth it. And I'm as you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a book person. I collect books. It's nice to have
Speaker 3: archive dot org to be able to read things, you know,
Speaker 3: for free. But at the same time, when you know
Speaker 3: fair Night four fifty one comes and it will the
Speaker 3: digital book burning people are going to wish that they
Speaker 3: had their exactly book books. Yeah, here's the I just
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that this is share screen. Uh
Speaker 3: is this the one here?
Speaker 5: Let's see? I believe so. Do you have a picture
Speaker 5: of the inside.
Speaker 3: No, that's all that's Scott.
Speaker 5: I wonder I can probably share screen too, right, all.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I'll quit the share screen here.
Speaker 5: I wonder how want to do that?
Speaker 3: We can That's okay, we can do it after after
Speaker 3: the conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can send it to you because I have
Speaker 5: that picture. I took it from the actual physical book,
Speaker 5: and yeah, it's it's pretty incredible. The book is not
Speaker 5: trying to prove flat Earth in any way. I think
Speaker 5: they mistake They mistakenly proved it, but the pictures around
Speaker 5: it in the pages before and after talking about the
Speaker 5: Earth being a globe, but the picture they show you
Speaker 5: on that page is like, Nope, that's impossible.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny, The very first sentences and words
Speaker 3: have meanings. That's why they call it spelling right, because
Speaker 3: it's literally casting a spell when people read these things.
Speaker 3: Explore the globe with reader digest Atlas of the world,
Speaker 3: so they have the globe as the second word, you know,
Speaker 3: third word there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do. Yeah, it's very eye opening to anytime
Speaker 5: you actually want to physically test an experiment and use
Speaker 5: real science on anything. You cannot prove the globe. All
Speaker 5: those things are made of. You can't have an atmosphere
Speaker 5: next to a vacuum. You can't have water stuck to
Speaker 5: the outside of the ball and spin it. You can't
Speaker 5: have mass attracting mass. You can try to get it
Speaker 5: bigger and bigger and bigger and try to make them
Speaker 5: attract each other. They don't do it. No matter which
Speaker 5: of the things that we try to test. The scene
Speaker 5: too far and the radar and the sonar, the lasers
Speaker 5: that they can send messages between different countries, they all
Speaker 5: go way too far, and they all necessitate a perfectly
Speaker 5: flat plane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sonar is one of those things where if
Speaker 3: you truly understand how sonar works, there's no way it
Speaker 3: can work on a globe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not possible.
Speaker 3: It's just not.
Speaker 5: I'm believing satelloons. People ask me about satellites. Believe in satellings.
Speaker 5: They're up there on balloons.
Speaker 3: What about did you always believe the moon landing or
Speaker 3: did you always think that was a hoax as well? Obviously, well,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you thought about that well before you even
Speaker 3: were introduced to flat earth.
Speaker 5: No, it was afterwards. It made me question those things.
Speaker 5: After I looked in the flat Earth and I'm like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, what about this? What about that? And
Speaker 5: that's when I started looking into it and realizing the
Speaker 5: shadows don't line up. There's no moon for them to
Speaker 5: even land on. It's not a hard surface, not a planet.
Speaker 5: There are no planets, because that in Greek planet just
Speaker 5: means a wandering star. You know, all this stuff is fraudulent.
Speaker 3: Yep, it truly is. And that's interesting, the whole moon
Speaker 3: landing thing. And if you go back, most of them
Speaker 3: were free Masons. Not everyone, but most of them were
Speaker 3: free Masons. You know, in retrospect it's quite a burden
Speaker 3: to but if you're a Freemason and you worship Lucifer,
Speaker 3: that's not really a burden to you. Although I do
Speaker 3: think people have the ability to change in life, even
Speaker 3: people who at one time were very corrupted, misguided, misled.
Speaker 3: And I just have a hunch that Armstrong was one
Speaker 3: of those people because you could just see in the
Speaker 3: very very very few public appearances that he made through
Speaker 3: his demeanor that he was carrying the weight of a
Speaker 3: millstone on his back.
Speaker 5: He totally was There's no way that you can come
Speaker 5: back from hiking Mount Everest like smiling from ear to ear, celebrating,
Speaker 5: But then you come back from landing on the Moon
Speaker 5: and coming back and you're sad, your face is downcast.
Speaker 5: You don't remember if you saw stars or not. Like,
Speaker 5: come on, guys, that would be the first thing anybody
Speaker 5: would do is look up at the sky.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's.
Speaker 5: But I think, yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Where they say I'm not sure, it's like, how are
Speaker 5: you not sure? If you saw?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember. Trust me, if you went to
Speaker 3: the you remember every last detail.
Speaker 5: Seriously. Astronaut Gus Grissom, who was like, how care we
Speaker 5: going to get to the moon if we can't talk
Speaker 5: between two buildings?
Speaker 3: And then they killed him two weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, two weeks later they killed him and his whole crew.
Speaker 3: Ye. And then they I killed the investigator after that.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I don't even know about.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was a guy I did a podcast on
Speaker 3: him years ago. He he was the one assigned to
Speaker 3: you know, looking at the Apollo one, and he wrote
Speaker 3: a report, gave it to Congress and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: where did this guy come from? I guess he bypassed
Speaker 3: whatever chain of command and gave the report, and like
Speaker 3: two days later, his car quote unquote the car died.
Speaker 3: It just happened to stop on train tracks him, his
Speaker 3: wife and stepdaughter were all killed.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just a car broke down and it just
Speaker 3: stopped on the train tracks and they couldn't get out
Speaker 3: of their car. They just sat there and said, oh no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get by a train.
Speaker 5: Oh man. They could have been dead before the train.
Speaker 3: They certainly were, of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, gosh. Yeah. One of my favorite memes is, you
Speaker 5: know Hank Hill from King of the Hill. He's trying
Speaker 5: to sell propane. He's like, you're gonna need this container.
Speaker 5: Hold your guess in and the guy makes them like, no, thanks,
Speaker 5: gravity's my container.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's a great point. Somebody mentioned that the
Speaker 3: other day. Actually it might have been David Weiss. He said, hey,
Speaker 3: come on over and having a barbecue. Can you bring
Speaker 3: some propane? But don't worry about the propane tank. Just
Speaker 3: bring me the propane, right, just stearing it over yourself.
Speaker 3: H I don't hold itself all of it. And it's
Speaker 3: funny once you're on this side of the fence and
Speaker 3: your brain comprehends the lie, it's funny. But these are
Speaker 3: the small things that Yeah, it goes back to my
Speaker 3: several phases after waking up the flat Earth. One of
Speaker 3: them was, I can't believe I let them get this
Speaker 3: one over on me, Like it's so simple, it's such
Speaker 3: an easy lie to poke holes in, but we fell
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 5: Well, it's because they get this when we're so young
Speaker 5: and susceptible, like where everything where our teachers aren't lying right,
Speaker 5: because the teachers were taught when they were children too,
Speaker 5: you know. They they couldn't be a part of some
Speaker 5: big folks and stuff like that. We trust, we're naturally
Speaker 5: trusting and they know those kind of things. But any
Speaker 5: type of investigation you do, you can tell that the
Speaker 5: sunlight and the moonlight are not the same. You can
Speaker 5: you can tell that. You can test that. You know,
Speaker 5: the moon can't be a ball, because how is it
Speaker 5: going to be lit from end to end like imperfect uniformity.
Speaker 5: It's not possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous. And you know they you know, Earth,
Speaker 3: we only have sunlight on a part of our planet.
Speaker 3: But the moon, oh yeah, that whole thing gets lit up.
Speaker 3: And not only does it get lit up from the sun,
Speaker 3: it bounces off and gives us light. But when they
Speaker 3: show us pictures from the moon, it's a dusty old rock.
Speaker 3: Can someone please make up your mind.
Speaker 5: Or what about Like all the symbols and numbers to
Speaker 5: deal with the globe ball are like sixty six. And
Speaker 5: the fact the way they say the sunlight crosses with
Speaker 5: the moon to the Earth is literally the same as
Speaker 5: the symbol for the Seal of Satan.
Speaker 3: Oh is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can watch the occult symbol called the Seal
Speaker 5: of Satan. I'll send you. I have a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of pictures I've just been saving. I like to share
Speaker 5: it with people, So yeah, you look through them. I
Speaker 5: know a bunch of more duplicates. Just ignore that. I
Speaker 5: haven't figured out how to undo that part.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, it's basically
Speaker 3: the sigil of Baphomet. Yeah, the inverted pentagram. I see
Speaker 3: what you're saying. That is interesting, that's crazy. Learned something
Speaker 3: new every day, right, Yeah, I've known that I've never
Speaker 3: connected those two.
Speaker 5: That is.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting and all of this, you know, And
Speaker 3: that was another big one for me, understanding that, like
Speaker 3: you said, all the numerology involved with Heally centrism and
Speaker 3: that only Yeah, it is it truly is even the
Speaker 3: axis while not upfront twenty three point four you subtract
Speaker 3: that from right angle, which is ninety You got your
Speaker 3: sixty six six.
Speaker 5: Again, it's right there, right in our face.
Speaker 3: Right in our faces. Yet once again you there are
Speaker 3: maybe I would venture there's less than ten churches in
Speaker 3: this country that would allow this conversation in their church obviously, Yeah.
Speaker 5: But when you find them, you got to follow them
Speaker 5: and listen to their podcasts. I found at least one.
Speaker 5: It's pretty pretty fun.
Speaker 3: And it's it's freeing. That That's the thing I wish
Speaker 3: people would would would understand. Right, there's no more fear
Speaker 3: of meteors, you know, everybody. I have seen so many
Speaker 3: sub stacks on twenty thirty two and how to prepare
Speaker 3: for the meteor impact of twenty thirty two. I'm like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: I mean stars can fault the ground from the sky.
Speaker 5: We know that from the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but those are probably angels.
Speaker 3: But what I tell people who are in constant fear
Speaker 3: of nuclear missiles, which I question, and all of these
Speaker 3: other things, I said, if you believe in the Bible,
Speaker 3: well then they're the prophecy has to take place before
Speaker 3: the world ends. It's not up to man. It has
Speaker 3: never been up to man. When this world ends, it's
Speaker 3: up to God.
Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent true. And the fact that God
Speaker 5: says over and over and over many times in the
Speaker 5: Bible that the Earth is fixed and it does not
Speaker 5: move like that's pretty clear that it's not spinning at
Speaker 5: one thousand miles an hour, rocketing through the galaxy around
Speaker 5: the Sun, the Sun around the galaxy, and the galaxy
Speaker 5: through the universe. There's no movement. It's all fake.
Speaker 3: So I have about twenty churches within a ten mile
Speaker 3: radius of me. If I sent all twenty of them
Speaker 3: a letter, you know, saying that I'm saved, I'm a
Speaker 3: follower of Jesus Christ, and I would just like to
Speaker 3: present this information to your congregation. It could be on
Speaker 3: a week night, on a Wednesday night, right, you know,
Speaker 3: you could have an offering, a chance to make a
Speaker 3: few extra bucks for the church, the ministries and everyone
Speaker 3: you support. Out of those twenty people who got that letter,
Speaker 3: do you think even one would reply, Oh.
Speaker 5: I don't even know, man, that's hard to say. It's
Speaker 5: probably zero at this point. Yeah, maybe you get one.
Speaker 3: And again, even when you support and site like I
Speaker 3: could take out the names of the emails obviously, but
Speaker 3: the hundreds of emails we've gotten saying that you know,
Speaker 3: this knowledge has brought them back the christ. I mean,
Speaker 3: why in the world would you not even consider this information.
Speaker 3: And again, I'm not saying that you should start the
Speaker 3: Flat Earth Church of Delaware. I'm saying that this is
Speaker 3: in the Bible. And you know, if Satan is the
Speaker 3: prince of this world, weren't we at least having this
Speaker 3: conversation and understanding. You know, you should you should know
Speaker 3: the realm in which you live. And it's just very
Speaker 3: freeing to me. And it's and again I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that this should be a sermon or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but I think like telling someone in your congregation not
Speaker 3: to bring it up. That's especially when Bible verses, when
Speaker 3: you're studying Bible verses, I find that very interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's kind of rough. Like you saw the
Speaker 5: debate where they had a pastor debating Greg Locke on those.
Speaker 3: Oh that was four and a half hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then it just erupted and like blew up
Speaker 5: at the end and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kicked him out, yeah, and then passed and
Speaker 3: then Greg Locke called the cops that the sheriff on him.
Speaker 5: That's so wild. I thought I had really big hopes
Speaker 5: for that, and I think like he did let him
Speaker 5: share a lot, but I think he gave up because
Speaker 5: he couldn't refute his evidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Did did you already go over
Speaker 3: your six silver bullets?
Speaker 5: Oh? I'm not sure. I kind of just weave them
Speaker 5: in every chance I get.
Speaker 3: Pastor Dle that was the That was the pastor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pastor Dnodles. So I followed his church too, Like,
Speaker 5: that's one that he gets a little heated sometimes not
Speaker 5: not too much. He gets so excited about the shape
Speaker 5: of the art and stuff. But I like following him. Yeah. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 5: like you can go straight to Genesis. It's very clear
Speaker 5: that that the whole narrative that they're trying to tell us,
Speaker 5: with evolution and the Big Bang and all these things
Speaker 5: are just directly against what the Bible says. And yet
Speaker 5: we have all these churches trying to prove that they
Speaker 5: can go hand in hand with the official science narrative.
Speaker 5: When God talks about there being waters above the firmament,
Speaker 5: the firmament is like hammered out like bronze. The Sun
Speaker 5: and the moon are within the firmament. There's an underworld underneath.
Speaker 5: I think these are all silver bullets you got. Like,
Speaker 5: people ask me, well, if you don't have gravity, if
Speaker 5: you don't believe in that, then what do you have.
Speaker 5: I was sharing with my dad yesterday. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: you don't really need gravity. You really have an up
Speaker 5: and and down. You have buoyancy and density. I can
Speaker 5: take this piece of wood in my hand and it
Speaker 5: falls to the ground because it's denser than the air.
Speaker 5: But if I throw it, you know, in the bathtub
Speaker 5: or the swimming pool, it doesn't keep going down because
Speaker 5: it's attracted to the center of the mass. No, it floats,
Speaker 5: and it floats because of buoyancy. Like, those are the
Speaker 5: only two forces you really need. And I know there's
Speaker 5: people talk about electrostatic and these type of things as well,
Speaker 5: which is very interesting, and frequencies that can make things
Speaker 5: levitate and stuff like that as well. But just like
Speaker 5: doing the things that we can test with our own selves, like,
Speaker 5: you don't need gravity. Gravity is just that catch all
Speaker 5: term for anything that their theory is starting to fall
Speaker 5: apart there. Oh well, well gravity just handles that as well.
Speaker 5: Oh and gravity will hold the moon in place, and
Speaker 5: gravity will hold the waters, but it will let everything
Speaker 5: else do whatever the heck it wants. And bees can
Speaker 5: fly and birds and they don't have any problem because
Speaker 5: gravity is not bothering them particular.
Speaker 3: Yeah, science is very funny because you know, for example,
Speaker 3: will something heavier fall faster than something lighter, Like if
Speaker 3: you have a sixteen pound bowling ball and a feather,
Speaker 3: you drop them at the same time. But if you
Speaker 3: look at science that they start to say, well, objects
Speaker 3: fall at the same rate regardless of their massive weight.
Speaker 3: Do the constant acceleration of gravity? I can't tell you that.
Speaker 3: If you research certain subjects that have to do with
Speaker 3: pseudoscience within the heliocentric model, how often these things conflict
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 5: They do, and they they're okay with that. They just
Speaker 5: they don't question anything because some guy in the white coat,
Speaker 5: you know, Bill Nye or Neil the Butthole Tyson. These
Speaker 5: guys said it, so it's got to be true, and
Speaker 5: they mock the other position. So that must be ridiculous,
Speaker 5: and like it's sad to see that that these guys
Speaker 5: are literally know the truth. You can tell when Neil
Speaker 5: deGrasse Tyson, he says that you can get up to
Speaker 5: the height of a plane. You can go higher than that,
Speaker 5: and you're not going to see the curvature of the Earth.
Speaker 5: You can't. He admits that, but then he said still
Speaker 5: like makes fun of anyone who like their things conflict
Speaker 5: all the time. And all he does is, you know,
Speaker 5: drop a microphone on the ground and say gravity, as
Speaker 5: if that means anything. Right there, that's my proof, Like,
Speaker 5: that's not a proof. Show me two objects actually attracting
Speaker 5: each other based on their mass, that would be proof
Speaker 5: of gravity, not dropping a microphone.
Speaker 3: That's spot on. And I always say, helium is the
Speaker 3: is the great explanation that there's no gravity, because if
Speaker 3: gravity was real, if gravity can hold me down, then
Speaker 3: it should be able to hold a balloon down. It's
Speaker 3: just density that you're heavier than the air, and you're
Speaker 3: not going anywhere you fill a balloon or an airship
Speaker 3: with you know, helium. It's kin Yeah, exactly, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not gravity, it's it's density. Yeah, it's it's simple.
Speaker 3: And they try to once again come up with all
Speaker 3: the these complicated scientific explanations, number one to confuse people,
Speaker 3: but number two to keep them from looking away from it.
Speaker 3: They start seeing equals mc squared and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, I just I don't understand that. Stuffs
Speaker 3: all at the guy who's yeah, exactly, Well he's a doctor,
Speaker 3: so you know he knows all. We'll just take whatever.
Speaker 5: He's three million miles. Yeah, it's ridiculous. All they do
Speaker 5: is reverse engineer their math yep, which they yeah, we
Speaker 5: know that it is this in the sky. It matches
Speaker 5: up with the moon, so we'll say that it's four
Speaker 5: hundred times bigger and four hundred times farther away, because
Speaker 5: you can't really prove that it's not, you know, like,
Speaker 5: they look exactly the same side, so we're going to
Speaker 5: say it's a coincidence that they happen to look exactly
Speaker 5: the same size. It's ridiculous. The Bible talks about the
Speaker 5: sun moving son is Enoch and like Joshua the Book
Speaker 5: of Joshua, where the sun stands still in the sky,
Speaker 5: the sun in the moon. Like, if that were to
Speaker 5: happen on a ball, that would mean the Earth stop
Speaker 5: spinning and you'd have tidal waves everywhere around the Earth,
Speaker 5: destroying and killing everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not possible, not possible at all. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find the pamphlet because I want to print
Speaker 3: them off and pass them out. Samuel Robotham, he's the
Speaker 3: guy who did the Bedford level experiment and wrote the
Speaker 3: pamphlet Zodetic Astronomy. He also believed that the Sun and
Speaker 3: the Moon were three thousand miles away, not two thirty
Speaker 3: eight and ninety three million.
Speaker 5: And that's testable. You can test the angles of the
Speaker 5: Sun's rays and you can test all kinds of things
Speaker 5: to try to prove that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But he published an interesting leaflet that was called the
Speaker 3: Inconsistency of Modern Astronomy and its opposition to the Scriptures,
Speaker 3: and he argue that the Bible and something simple as
Speaker 3: alongside our senses, and that is something that people, you know,
Speaker 3: God gave us our five senses, right, and we take
Speaker 3: pseudoscience over trusting what we see what we feel.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy. It got us believe in this ball crap,
Speaker 5: you know. Yep, it's a load of ball.
Speaker 3: Yep. He said that the Earth was flat and immovable
Speaker 3: and this essential truth should be not I'm sorry, should
Speaker 3: not be set aside for a system based solely on
Speaker 3: human conjecture.
Speaker 5: M hmm. That's pretty powerful, right, there isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've heard of the book The
Speaker 5: House that Jesus Build? I may I'm trying to remember
Speaker 5: the author's name. It's like Matt something.
Speaker 3: Uhh, I think I found it here, David C. Cook.
Speaker 3: Is that it?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: Natalie Reunion the No.
Speaker 5: This one specifically says the House did Jesus Build? Is
Speaker 5: the full title?
Speaker 3: Okay. This one says leading our churches back to God's Blueprint.
Speaker 3: That there's a bunch of books that are entitled.
Speaker 5: That pretty similar title.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, what was this one about?
Speaker 5: Particularly, it's like just goes through the scriptures really well, Okay,
Speaker 5: the House did you? Matt Long? Yeah, that's the one. Okay,
Speaker 5: if you can look that one up. It's a really
Speaker 5: short book. But I recommend it to everybody the Earth.
Speaker 5: Here we go, Yeah, Shape of the Earth. That's a
Speaker 5: great book you can just hand people. I need to
Speaker 5: get a bunch of copies of those and just pass
Speaker 5: them out, just like let people start thinking of of
Speaker 5: like reality and like look up what the scripture says
Speaker 5: about stuff. That's a good like premer place for people
Speaker 5: to start good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll link that in the show notes. As well
Speaker 3: for people.
Speaker 5: Great that it's awesome.
Speaker 3: That's great. Was there anything else that we haven't mentioned
Speaker 3: yet that that you had on your your your notes
Speaker 3: to chat about.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess people could uh follow me too
Speaker 5: if they want. I haven't posted anything like super recent
Speaker 5: but under on Rumble I'm suber Steve O, so subrew
Speaker 5: like the car Steve O s T e v O.
Speaker 5: They can follow me there. I'm hoping to get back
Speaker 5: into it and post some more things. I like to
Speaker 5: talk about truth. I like to talk about God's word
Speaker 5: and question stuff like does it really make sense? Like
Speaker 5: question the rapture? You know, is is it really exactly
Speaker 5: what we've been taught all these years? Question the shape
Speaker 5: of the earth is one the is on my heart
Speaker 5: to do. So so yeah, I'm super excited to keep
Speaker 5: doing those kind of things. And I was glad to
Speaker 5: hear on your podcast you keep inviting people to join you.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Wow, this is a great, a great opportunity,
Speaker 5: and I think maybe as I share with some of
Speaker 5: my friends, maybe one of them will want to jump
Speaker 5: on with you as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And by the way, I did go to your
Speaker 3: Rumble channel checked out a few do you want to
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about you mentioned plumb line a
Speaker 3: lot and what that means.
Speaker 5: Yeah, plumb line for me is like a ministry based
Speaker 5: on just telling people that the God's word is our
Speaker 5: plumb line. It's what we judge everything by. So if
Speaker 5: something is not perfectly straight, perfectly lined up to God's word,
Speaker 5: then it's probably not true. And so like everything has
Speaker 5: to go back to that. And when you talk about
Speaker 5: the shape of the earth, it lines up with God's
Speaker 5: word when you when he's talking about it being flat,
Speaker 5: that it doesn't move, all these type of things. He
Speaker 5: doesn't have to hang it on anything. The sun and
Speaker 5: the moon rise and they can be stopped in the
Speaker 5: middle of the sky, all these type of things. And
Speaker 5: even considering the Book of Enoch, I want to bring
Speaker 5: that one up too, because Jesus calls it scripture when
Speaker 5: they question.
Speaker 6: Him about the woman who had seven husbands and they
Speaker 6: all end up dying, and Jesus says, well, you don't
Speaker 6: understand the scriptures or the power of God, for in
Speaker 6: heaven they'll be like the angels.
Speaker 5: They're not going to be marrying and giving him marriage. Well,
Speaker 5: where does he get that quote from? That's straight from Enoch.
Speaker 5: So Jesus considers Enoch to be scripture, I think we
Speaker 5: should take a good hard look at it. And Enoch
Speaker 5: is a very flattered book, just as the Bible is.
Speaker 3: So do you think that's a reason that they kept
Speaker 3: you know, Jubilee Josher, which Josher is specifically mentioned in
Speaker 3: Joshua ten thirteen. Do you think that's is that? Was
Speaker 3: it intentional that the apocryphal, specifically those fourteen books were
Speaker 3: kept out of the cannon back in sixteen oh four.
Speaker 5: I think I think so, because at some point they
Speaker 5: wanted to even take out Revelation. But I think it
Speaker 5: is like there there is a purposeful getting rid of
Speaker 5: certain things that won't fit, like a certain narrative. They
Speaker 5: were trying to edit different gospels and and some some
Speaker 5: Bible translations actually do they'll change those things. But I
Speaker 5: think even if you just read it for historical purposes,
Speaker 5: then Jasher is mentioned, you know, in the Bible, so
Speaker 5: why not check it out, and it like syncs up
Speaker 5: with the timeline of Genesis as well as Eenoch and
Speaker 5: Jubilees and all these type of books. There's not really
Speaker 5: a harm in reading them, and you might just learn something.
Speaker 5: It might be valuable as well.
Speaker 3: It's all great points, all great points. I don't mean
Speaker 3: to digress, but if I don't mention it now, I'm
Speaker 3: going to forget go for it. You know, earlier you
Speaker 3: mentioned the signal of Lucifer or the you know, the
Speaker 3: sign of Satan. If you look at the bottom portion
Speaker 3: of it, because it's really two parts, it's a triangle
Speaker 3: on top, that bottom part looks almost exactly like a
Speaker 3: Freemason symbol.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and they they even put the Freemason symbol
Speaker 5: in baseball if you look at the layout of the field. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think any of us realize that the symbols
Speaker 5: are really everywhere around us. The McDonald's logo is like
Speaker 5: something in Witchcraft, and like even probably like the company's sonic.
Speaker 5: It's probably short for Masonic. Like it's all over the
Speaker 5: place and we just don't know where to look or
Speaker 5: toy even realize. You know, the Monster logo is three
Speaker 5: vobs in Hebrew, which is six sixty six, like rules
Speaker 5: Chrome logo with six sixty six, like they put it
Speaker 5: in our face all the time. Build Back Better has
Speaker 5: a six sixty six in it. The World Economic Forum
Speaker 5: has it. It's like they put it in our face
Speaker 5: all the time, telling us who they really are.
Speaker 3: Yep, even you know the maga thing, people say maga
Speaker 3: all the time. In Latin, it's the phenomon form of magas,
Speaker 3: which means magician or sorcerer an Italian, it also means
Speaker 3: a sorceress or a witch. In Spanish it means a
Speaker 3: female magician. All of the different languages, it usually has
Speaker 3: a type of negative connotation to it, And that's why
Speaker 3: people have to get out of this worldly out of
Speaker 3: their worldly waste, because everything, even something as simple as mega,
Speaker 3: has negative influences to it.
Speaker 5: Interesting. I think they want to use anything in a
Speaker 5: negative way. I think making America great is probably a
Speaker 5: great concept to start.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 5: Of course, NASA in Hebrew means to deceive. There's another one. Yep,
Speaker 5: all this kind of stuff, like, we can look into
Speaker 5: these things, and I think we can learn quite a
Speaker 5: bit about you know, the fact that the guys who
Speaker 5: started us that we're all Nazis is probably not a
Speaker 5: good place to start, exactly. We don't nobody trusts those guys,
Speaker 5: So I don't know why we trust NASA, the thing
Speaker 5: they built.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well, hopefully we continue to plug away this
Speaker 3: type of message, whether it's from this podcast or you know,
Speaker 3: anyone else who is trying to get the message, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to get people to see this deception. Hopefully it
Speaker 3: does get across. Lastly, I wanted to mention the because
Speaker 3: I subscribe to your Rumble channel. When you sent it
Speaker 3: to me last week, the last video you did was
Speaker 3: called our words have Power, and I think that is
Speaker 3: something that everybody needs to truly understand that you have
Speaker 3: the power within you to change people's lives wholes. So
Speaker 3: I'd like to give you the last word to address
Speaker 3: the audience on anything you'd like to specifically with. You know,
Speaker 3: our words having power.
Speaker 5: That is a great topic right there. Our words do
Speaker 5: have power. We get a chance to speak life into situations,
Speaker 5: and I think, like myself included, we all take those
Speaker 5: words for granted. We'll speak out that, oh I have
Speaker 5: a headache, Oh I have this, you know, my day
Speaker 5: is too hard. I don't know if I can handle this.
Speaker 5: The things that we say about our spouse, you know that,
Speaker 5: oh they're not paying attention to me or this or that.
Speaker 5: The things that we say, like we're shaping our reality
Speaker 5: around us, We're shaping how we interpret it we're shaping
Speaker 5: how our whole day is going to go. Instead, we
Speaker 5: can go back to the word, you know, because so
Speaker 5: many things we say contradict those things in the word.
Speaker 5: I think it comes from many times like just a
Speaker 5: temptation to believe the lie of the enemy, and those
Speaker 5: things can start off so subtle, but a thing we
Speaker 5: say out of our mouths can become a belief, and
Speaker 5: a belief can become a habit, and a habit can
Speaker 5: become a lifestyle. And so as we realize that we're
Speaker 5: saying something that's not true about ourselves or our spouse,
Speaker 5: or about some situation that we're in, we can pause
Speaker 5: and take every thought captive, come back to the word
Speaker 5: and be like, no, God says I'm a child of God.
Speaker 5: God says that he loves me, that he's faithful, that
Speaker 5: he's going to take care of me. And we go
Speaker 5: back and say those out of our mouth, reshape, reframe
Speaker 5: our situation, and we can come about with a much
Speaker 5: better mindset. And as our mindset shifts, we're going to
Speaker 5: build habits and we're gonna build patterns and lifestyle that's
Speaker 5: going to be way different than if we don't take
Speaker 5: the time to take every thought captive and actually speak
Speaker 5: the things of life. Speak blessing instead of cursing. You know,
Speaker 5: the guy who cuts you off, saying God, please help
Speaker 5: him because I'm not really very fond of how he's
Speaker 5: driving right now, Please help me. He needs it. He
Speaker 5: can get an accident. You know. We can pray benefit
Speaker 5: over people. Right, I'm blessing and I think that's a
Speaker 5: lifestyle we all want to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that in itself takes a lot of discipline,
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, and a lot of these
Speaker 3: things come with wisdom. And the older you get, the
Speaker 3: more you know, I think, the more you are able
Speaker 3: to control your emotions. I certainly wasn't able to when
Speaker 3: I was in my twenties. I'm certainly, like many people,
Speaker 3: a completely different person because they've grown in understand how
Speaker 3: things work, and through your trials and tribulations under you know,
Speaker 3: you become a better person. That's what wisdom is. It's
Speaker 3: not that you're you're smarter, it's just that you've you've
Speaker 3: gone through those things and you understand these are the
Speaker 3: repercussions if I do this.
Speaker 5: And that's why we just need to be staying in
Speaker 5: God's word because then we'll know, we'll have discernment to say, oh,
Speaker 5: that doesn't matter with what I've been reading, you know,
Speaker 5: that doesn't match up with what God says, and then
Speaker 5: we can address it. So it's it's critical.
Speaker 3: It's great stuff. I can't thank you enough for your time.
Speaker 3: I hope everybody checks out uh Steven's rumble channel super
Speaker 3: Rustivo and I've got that link in the show notes,
Speaker 3: so you can just click on the link and it'll
Speaker 3: take you right to his rumble channel. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: hear that you're going to be getting back into this
Speaker 3: because I think we need more voices like this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much, Jordy. It's a pleasure and
Speaker 5: a privilege to join you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by all means, you know, have your your
Speaker 3: friends reach out to me and we'll bring them on
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 5: That would be incredible. I love that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for everything you do. You know,
Speaker 3: your ministry and you know, going to foreign countries and
Speaker 3: teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and having the courage
Speaker 3: to share biblical cosmology with others.
Speaker 5: That's it. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Amen. So thank you Steven to our audience again. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for your continued support. As I mentioned
Speaker 3: in the last podcast, we have big news coming and
Speaker 3: one announcement for sure we'll be having in the next
Speaker 3: week or two, and the other one within the next
Speaker 3: thirty days or so, so keep out for that. God
Speaker 3: bless you all. Have a great week. Keep your head
Speaker 3: on a swivel, and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see you. I know it's been struggle.
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