WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:29.000 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:29.640 the poll? 4 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.759 The question why. 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.759 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:48.200 truth we find? They built their tails on crafts and 7 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:53.920 lies on theories they stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:59.560 Put down here on this solid. 9 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.119 Brown Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's 10 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.079 time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 11 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:08.760 I'm your host, as always, George Hobbs. Thank you all 12 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.680 for joining us again this week. I hope everybody had 13 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.840 a great weekend. As we record, it is Wednesday, March twelfth, 14 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.799 twenty twenty five, shortly after nine am Eastern time, and 15 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.799 our guest Steven is standing by before we bring him on. 16 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.439 Just a couple of quick reminders. Please do stop by 17 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:29.840 the website. It is the flat earthfiles dot com. Check 18 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.719 out the chat room the forum. Much to do there. Again, 19 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.920 it is the flat Earthfiles dot com. If you'd like 20 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.159 to join the podcast like Steven is today, please do 21 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:46.120 send us an email to FE files guest at gmail 22 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:50.719 dot com. Again, that is FE files guest at gmail 23 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.439 dot com. 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Good morning, Steven. 34 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:31.639 How are you sir? 35 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.280 Doing good? Jeege? Thank you so much for having me on. 36 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:36.199 I'm excited. 37 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.000 Yeah. Likewise, I'm very blessed to have this type of 38 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.599 conversation once or twice a week with like minded people. 39 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.680 Before we get started, please do take the time and 40 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.039 introduce yourself to the audience. 41 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:53.400 Yeah, well, I'm Steven. As I said, I grew up 42 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.479 in a Christian home and my parents are pastors and 43 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:04.439 went to a Christian university. But it wasn't until about 44 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:10.080 like ten years ago that I started looking into other things. 45 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.919 And I mean, unlike a lot of people, I think 46 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.879 flat Earth was the first thing that really made me 47 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.800 start questioning the reality of a lot of other things 48 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.719 as well. I mean, it's it's very interesting. Tell you 49 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.599 some other things about me. I married, got some kids, 50 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.919 we live in Texas Fort Worth area, and yeah, man, 51 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.680 I'm passionate about the truth. Pastor's kid. I grew up 52 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.800 in church all my life, went to a Bible school 53 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:48.520 in college, and really, you know, love the Lord, loves different, 54 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.879 love the Word of God. Passionate about teaching other people 55 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.360 about God's words. And I think it was probably twenty 56 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:03.680 fifteen that I saw this video on YouTube about flat 57 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.919 Earth and I thought it would be funny. I actually 58 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:11.800 like watched it to get a good laugh, and it 59 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.120 was one of those by Eric Dubay, I believe, and 60 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.480 he just started quoting scripture almost the entire time, and 61 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.800 that really was a shocker to me. I didn't think 62 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:25.800 that it would be anything that was in the Bible 63 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.680 or able to be proven from the Bible. So I 64 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:34.240 really started like questioning things and started looking it out 65 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:39.439 for myself. Yeah, I've always been a truth seeker, but 66 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:43.199 I never really questioned my reality around me until that time. 67 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:49.319 That's interesting because I think a lot of people, including myself, 68 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.199 when we first really broached the subject of flat earth. 69 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.360 We you know, we go into it for a laugh 70 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.639 or to disprove it. You know, we say, people really 71 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.639 believe this stuff. And then like you say, you start 72 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:09.439 being presented versus from the Bible and then common sense, 73 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.120 and then we can't we can see too far and 74 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.839 water being contained and all these other things. And then 75 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:20.879 all at once it hits you and you're like, oh, 76 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.920 my goodness, we've really been duped. And then when that 77 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:29.720 veil falls, you were able at least for me, it 78 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.639 was much easier for me to see the lies of 79 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:33.160 this world. 80 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:37.120 Yeah, And then started looking into like the fact that 81 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.920 all the ancient cultures all believed the earth was flat 82 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.160 with a dome over the top. They had different renditions 83 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:47.839 and artists depictions, but they all believed that. And that 84 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.439 even you look at the symbol of the yin and 85 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.759 the yang that's like the sun and the moon over 86 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.240 the top of the flat earth, that they're the ones 87 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.439 guiding everything, and that it's like it's not the Earth 88 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.439 revolving around anything else. That that's a much newer concept. 89 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:12.240 And the fact is that they created these concepts of evolution, 90 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:17.360 and they fight the same way to only teach evolution 91 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.519 in school, and if you have any type of differing opinion, 92 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.040 you get mocked or banned or shadow band or like 93 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.759 lose your tenure in school. Like you go against their narrative, 94 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.399 and they don't really fight fair. It's like the teeth 95 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:35.560 come out, you know what I mean. 96 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:44.360 Yeah, even the most brilliant you know, the people and 97 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:50.319 cultures through history, whether it's the Greeks, the Persians, the Indians, 98 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.399 the Incans, even the Hebrews, the Mayans, the Celtic, they 99 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.680 all at one point through their writings believe that we 100 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:01.759 were on a flat surface with a dome, all of them. 101 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.519 If you go back and look, just look at Ancient 102 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.720 Wisdom Flat Earth. Put that into your Google search and 103 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:12.000 you'll see all of the depictions of old ancient societies 104 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.959 that all believed and understood how this, you know, how 105 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.600 our realm worked and it was a skyclock and it 106 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.439 was the sky that was moving and not us. 107 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:27.720 Yeah, that's totally yeh man. Like I'm trying to explain 108 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.279 to friends and family loved ones that all these types 109 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.439 of concepts and you're lucky if you get you know, 110 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:37.959 halfway through one of the concepts, you know what I mean. 111 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.639 Yeah, And they shut you down quickly. Now you came 112 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:43.720 upon this. You said you were a sophomore in college. 113 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:51.480 Oh no, No, that probably like ten years ago. I'm 114 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.879 like forty three now, Oh okay, okay, Yeah, in college, 115 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.240 like I learned about baptism, the Holy Spirit and those 116 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.920 kind of things. Yeah, it's still new to me the 117 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:07.560 like ten years ago for even questioning all these type 118 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.399 of things. I always wanted more of God. I always 119 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.040 wanted more of the Bible, always trying to find the 120 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:16.959 truth about even like our historical timeline. Finding out that 121 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.720 like Egypt, and the narrative that they tell us is 122 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:23.600 trying not to line up with when the biblical narrative 123 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.600 says that Joseph was there and the people of Israel 124 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.160 were there. So I thought I saw lots of things 125 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.559 throughout history that it's like, oh yeah, the things they 126 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.320 tell us about that the flood is not possible, or 127 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.279 they tell us that Israel wasn't there at this timeline, 128 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.679 or they try to convince us about evolution. Like I've 129 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.600 seen those things. There's an agenda behind them, But I 130 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.000 didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went, you know 131 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:49.440 what I mean? 132 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.440 Right, And you come from an interesting perspective, whereas even 133 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.960 most people within the church community. You went to a 134 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.600 probably a private Christian university that probably still maybe they 135 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:03.519 did teach Young Earth. That was you know, they're at 136 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.200 this sixty five hundred years and they probably am assuming 137 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:12.679 didn't teach evolution or Big Bang. So now that you 138 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:17.759 know you have this knowledge, isn't this something you wish 139 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:22.240 that we could be able to, if you know, break 140 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.159 through the glass ceiling, if you will, for lack of 141 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.080 better words, and get this information out there and try 142 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.759 to get both churches and you know, private institutions to 143 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:35.840 to share this knowledge. 144 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.000 I really do. I think, like the same way that 145 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:45.080 the secular schools will not let you teach anything other 146 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:49.320 than evolution and Old Earth and the Big Bang, the 147 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.559 same way to Christian schools and even the organizations like 148 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:57.120 you were talking about answers and Genesis will shut down 149 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.600 anything having to do with what really the Bible says 150 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.080 about the shape of the Earth. I think that's important 151 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.120 to even just cooking both models side by side and 152 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.480 let kids study both of them. I don't think that 153 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.000 there's any reason why they can't take the scriptures for 154 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:19.840 themselves and lay it out like even Michael Heiser, love 155 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.840 his research and stuff like that. That he says, the 156 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.559 Bible is very clear about the earth being flat, with 157 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.000 the dome over the top, the heavens above that, and 158 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.360 Hell or sheol underneath. But he's like, but we don't 159 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.279 actually believe that because now we have science, so it 160 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.000 must have been, you know, metaphoric. But all the people 161 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.000 back then would have believed that this is the model 162 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:48.080 of the Earth. It's like, oh my gosh, buddy. You know. 163 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.639 Another good point, this is another article I'm working on 164 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:56.559 my sub stack, is because we mentioned you know a 165 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.480 lot of people send their children to private institutions where 166 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.279 prayers andcluded, but a lot of people send their children 167 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.159 to public institutions. And back in the day, you know 168 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.919 that they have this distinction between church and state, and 169 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.559 people push that, but it's a one way street, right 170 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.720 like that. I think it was a landmark ruling back 171 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:20.399 in the sixties where they basically took religion out of 172 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.799 school and people get caught up into the politics and 173 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.759 the constitution more than they do the Bible, which should 174 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.720 raise a bell. When the Puritans first came over here, 175 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.639 they called them pilgrims, right, they were making a pilgrimage 176 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.320 from the United Kingdom to America because they believed that 177 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:43.279 the Reformation in King James didn't go far enough. I 178 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.679 think there could be some underlying stories there. Could it 179 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:49.720 be that when King James canonized the Bible with the 180 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.240 help of Francis Bacon, who many people believe was actually 181 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:57.159 William Shakespeare, you know, he took out the apocrypha. But 182 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.559 there's a lot of reasoning behind that. So they came 183 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:06.159 to a Maria and their education, early American education before 184 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.559 we actually became America, right in the United States of America, 185 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:14.720 was all based around the Bible, and then after the 186 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.120 Founding Fathers took over, they slowly took the Bible out 187 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:24.159 of education. Right, shouldn't morals be the very basis of 188 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:24.840 our education? 189 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.039 Yeah, that's exactly right. And the fact that you even 190 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.759 brought up the separation of church and state, which was 191 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.559 only in the letter by Thomas Jefferson, and it's not 192 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.440 the way that they taught us. Separation of church and 193 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.679 state is to protect the church from the state and 194 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:44.519 not vice versa. 195 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.679 Right, and that's the free Masonic mantra, is to invert everything, 196 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:53.159 and that's what they ended up doing. They ended up 197 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:58.960 using something that was supposed to protect churches from the government, 198 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:02.360 and they invert it and took par out of the school. 199 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.720 Yeah, and now they want to protect the government from 200 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.200 the church. Like, it's ridiculous. We're called to be a 201 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.000 light to shine in these places, in all the seven 202 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:13.080 mountains of influence. 203 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.000 Yeah, it's a double edged sword. And that's why I 204 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:19.320 tell people you've got to be really careful when you 205 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.879 jump into political things like that, and if it in 206 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.120 any way, shape or form goes against what we're taught biblically, 207 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.600 you have to walk away from it. And that is, 208 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:32.320 you know, part of the you know, within the matrix 209 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.960 system that has been built, the two party political system, 210 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:42.080 and investing in it is dangerous. If you get too 211 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.440 deep into it, you lose focus. 212 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:50.559 M It's a totally flawed system that's set up that 213 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.879 it seems like any way that we come against their 214 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.480 official narrative. It could be in politics, it can be 215 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.759 in the media, it can be in education. That every 216 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.879 area we're coming against the idea of what they think 217 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.320 about Christmas, or the idea of what they think about 218 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.679 the shape of the earth or evolution, or like the 219 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:15.320 timeline that we might not even be. Some people think 220 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.879 we might even be in the timeline that you know, 221 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.600 it might be off by hundreds or thousands of years. 222 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:26.000 And that's very interesting too. But anytime you question the 223 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.159 reality that they have presented, then yeah, there's no holds 224 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.960 barred to come after you. 225 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.720 You know it all great points. By the way, I 226 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.360 just remembered, I've been doing a lot of research on 227 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:41.799 the Founding Fathers and this is the story really true 228 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.080 or was it? You know, a way to kind of 229 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:50.240 round up all those pesky colonials right that didn't want 230 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.679 any part of taxes or to be ruled over right 231 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:59.639 to be governed. Actually, right up until about the Civil War, 232 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.679 Christmas was illegal in many of the colonial areas. 233 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:06.559 Very interesting. 234 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:12.080 Yeah, and the Puritans disapproved because of its pagan associations. 235 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.159 Yeah, I think it's a very questionable holiday. I mean, 236 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.320 I don't think it's wrong to celebrate Jesus, which nobody 237 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:25.320 really believes he was born on Christmas Day, and like, 238 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.440 I don't think that's wrong, but there's so much pagan 239 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.639 things behind why they chose that time of year, why 240 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:36.159 they have trees decorated with hanging balls, and the red 241 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.159 and the green and all these type of symbols are 242 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:42.799 not Christian symbols. We've just adopted them. But in the 243 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:48.320 same way that the certain denominations of the churchill will 244 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.799 take like maybe the Catholic Church would be one of them. 245 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.399 Instead of praying to the ancient Greek gods, we've christianized 246 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.399 them and used like Christian saints, and so they pray 247 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.919 to the saints, which is not biblical. You pray to 248 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.320 a mediator between you and Jesus, but Jesus is the 249 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.559 mediator between us and the Father. You don't need another mediator. 250 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.159 Precisely. And that's you know when you when you say 251 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:23.279 having another mediator, that really speaks to the flaws of Catholicism. 252 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:29.559 Right, Yeah, there's flaws in every denomination, so yeahly, but 253 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.240 that one's that one's pretty strong. 254 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.720 That's that's that's a great point. 255 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:34.399 Uh. 256 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.879 You said you kind of you were woken up originally 257 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.399 by an Eric Dubay video and many of the verses 258 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.559 he was pointing to, and that got your attention. What 259 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.840 was the one verse that really got your attention? And 260 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.080 then let's kind of get to your silver your your 261 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.879 your silver bullets. While you were going through your awakening 262 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.399 process with flat Earth. What were some of the proofs 263 00:16:58.440 --> 00:16:59.720 that really got your attention. 264 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.440 Well, I think one of the first ones that probably 265 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.279 struck my attention was when it's like he sits above 266 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.039 the circle of the Earth. And then later on in 267 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:17.319 Isaiah it talks about God crumbling the enemy nation I 268 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.319 forget which one it was into a ball and tossing them, 269 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.799 and like, the fact is that every culture has a 270 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:27.359 different word for circle and ball. God's not confused and 271 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.839 what he means. He didn't say that he sits above 272 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.039 the ball of the earth, and I had to like, 273 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.240 at least look into that. The fact that in Job 274 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:42.400 thirty eight it talks about the Earth, it takes form 275 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.200 or it takes shape like clay under a seal. For me, 276 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.200 that looks nothing like a ball when you're pushing a 277 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.359 seal into clay or into wax or something like that. 278 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.240 I even bought myself a seal that has the shape 279 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:57.559 of the flat Earth on it, so every time I 280 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.200 push that into something like that, I can see, like, 281 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.599 this is what God is describing the earth to look like. 282 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.920 Those things like really made me like question and look 283 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.200 into it. It's like and the excuse of my friends 284 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.279 and people will say, well, it's just metaphor. And my 285 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.559 question back is, why do we get to choose what God, 286 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.759 which things God says are metaphors and which aren't. Why 287 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.480 don't we at least be honest enough to look into 288 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.359 the fact that he said this is what the earth 289 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:27.720 is like. 290 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.680 That's amazing. Where did you get that? Uh that seal? 291 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.160 The seal? Oh, they got so many They got so 292 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.880 many cool things on Etsy. Just type in flat earth, 293 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:46.720 all kinds of stuff come up. I got a ring 294 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.880 that's also like the flat earth on the top. That's 295 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.559 where I got this shirt from that I showed you earlier. 296 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:58.319 They got so many cool things on Etsy. It's really great. 297 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.480 While they do have a ton that they actually yeah, 298 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.039 I see it. I see the flatters clay wax seal. 299 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:05.160 That is amazing. 300 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.200 Yeah, and they got one that you can do you 301 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.440 can heat it up and like brand like leather and 302 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:11.640 different stuff like that too. 303 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.680 That's amazing. That is great. I will be spending some 304 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:15.640 money thanks to you. 305 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.319 After you're totally welcome. 306 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.480 That is awesome though it's worth every penny. 307 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:24.400 So let's kind of I want to get one of 308 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.039 those with the dome on there. It's the little model 309 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:29.079 of it. They got all kinds of cool stuff there. 310 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.119 Hey, hey, Steven, before we move on you you have 311 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.079 some shout outs for people. Let's let's get him out 312 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:36.240 of the way before we forget. 313 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.640 Oh yeah, let's do it. So my buddy, I just 314 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.519 met him a couple of weeks ago. Sam, he's on 315 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:46.920 food Shelter Water on YouTube. Shout out to him. You 316 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:51.440 guys can follow him. He's total into many things, but 317 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:53.480 one of them is the flat earth and he's out 318 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.559 there and gun ranges having fun as well. Another guy 319 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.559 that I've been following a long time also is on 320 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.720 the same level that we are, and we know he's 321 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:09.000 on a rumble. Got some friends back home, Sal Jordan, Karen, 322 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:13.480 Mary Jane, Sam, Savannah Cayden. These guys might be watching 323 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.599 this later, so I wanted to shout them out too. 324 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:21.720 That's awesome. It's great to see, you know, the community 325 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.559 continue to grow and that's kind of my follow One 326 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:28.359 question is can you talk about have you had any 327 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.200 successes in sharing this knowledge with people? 328 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.839 Is typically it works with people who are already pretty 329 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:41.160 open minded or like look into other conspiracies and things 330 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.079 like that, and like sometimes you'll be bringing it up 331 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.960 and you're not really sure how they're going to react, 332 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.599 and they're like, yeah, I've known that for a while, 333 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.240 and you're like, yeah, all right. 334 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.720 Let's talk. And that's the thing I tell people is 335 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:01.480 you'd be surprised how many people are. You know, maybe 336 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:04.759 they started out on rogan and then maybe they worked 337 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:06.920 their way to someone else and then they found another 338 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.079 that was me, right, I say it was years ago. 339 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.359 I thought I was really in the no listening to 340 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.000 Glenn Beck, right, because he was a true chef. Then 341 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.319 you find these people are gatekeepers, right, But you never 342 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.880 know where people are on their journey. And unless you, 343 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.880 you know, kind of get up the gumption and kind 344 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.799 of talk to people about this stuff, you'll never know. 345 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.799 So I got an interesting thuff for you here. And 346 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.759 it's not to put any shade on anybody. I love 347 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:39.680 this pastor friend of mine, but he was telling me 348 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:41.599 back when I was going to that church. He's like, 349 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:44.960 whatever you do, never talk about flatter to our church. 350 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.400 And I was like why and he's like, you're serving here. 351 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:51.640 People look to you for leadership and this is just 352 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.279 going to make you look crazy. I don't want anything 353 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:59.799 like that. To discount how people see you. And even 354 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.680 though I tried to explain that I don't really care 355 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.119 if they look down on me. It's like, I'm more 356 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.680 interested in the truth than I am about, you know, 357 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.200 looking impressive to people. He still just asked me, please 358 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:14.680 just don't talk about it here. So I have friends 359 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.200 from there that I talk about it in other places 360 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:19.359 or on the phone or you know, the parking lot, 361 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.319 but we don't talk about it at the church. 362 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:28.839 So it is interesting and it's frustrating. But at the 363 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.319 same time I get it because we were all at 364 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:34.160 one point on the other side of the fence, and 365 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.519 when we heard those two words flat earth, it was 366 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.519 directly right. It was just like an electrical connection. As 367 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.319 soon as you heard those words, the wire's connected. And 368 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:49.960 the result was that that's what crazy people who you know, 369 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.640 live in their grandmother's basement belief. But once really but 370 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.839 then once you get it, you're like, oh my gosh, 371 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.400 you understand the level of set. You understand how much 372 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:07.039 effort that they, the deceivers, the Luciferians put into this deception. 373 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.759 But it's very frustrating when you see people, even like 374 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.839 the Answers and Genesis, the people who have that arc 375 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.680 replica down in Kentucky. He understands early you know, Young 376 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.400 Earth and everything else, the flood actually happened. But you can't, 377 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.039 like you said, like you're your pastor, you can't even 378 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:29.640 bring up flatter. The Founded Earth brothers traveled you know, 379 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.400 a thousand miles to go there and visit. And in 380 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.920 the little conference when they had the Q and A, 381 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.440 they shut him down. They folded him up like a 382 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.119 lawn chair. And it's just like man and the It's 383 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:47.720 not just they were presenting it with biblical versus. You know, 384 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.559 they were citing verses and the Bible. It's just like no, no, no, 385 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.480 no no that If that doesn't show you how deep 386 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.680 the programming is and how much effort they put into this, 387 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.000 I mean, I don't know what else I can tell you. 388 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.440 Yeah, I mean it's great people that still holds that belief, 389 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.240 and there's just like that prison for their mind when 390 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:12.640 they think about the shape and all this type of stuff. 391 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.400 They know, that's like's not that's one door I'm never 392 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.319 going to open. I don't even want to know what's 393 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.759 behind it. I don't want to look into it. And 394 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:24.880 it's really sad to see how they're pursuing truth in 395 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:28.759 every other realm except for this one. It's like very 396 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:32.960 interesting how closed off, really open minded, strong believers can 397 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:33.720 be sometimes. 398 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.559 Yeah, for sure. And the disappointing thing is in it 399 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:43.160 is you would think the last place where you want 400 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:47.000 to be shut down is in a place of God, 401 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.960