Speaker 1: A rock comes flying out of the woods and it
bounces across the trail in front of me, but about
thirty feet or so into the woods, I see a
shadow that is human shaped but bigger, and I'm looking
at it and I'm like, hmm, I.
Speaker 2: Guess I'll throw this back.
Speaker 1: I straight up, like a baseball pitcher, chuck this rock
and it hit whatever it was square in the sternum,
and to my utter horror, this shadow dropped down in
a push up position.
Speaker 2: People went to and fro the earth about their little affairs,
serene and the assurance of their dominion over this small
binning fragment of solar drip wood, which.
Speaker 3: By chance or design man is inherited out of the
dark mystery of the time and the space.
Speaker 4: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Tom
on with me, and he is of the Southern Utah
Bigfoot Association. So two things rolled into one for me
today that are a couple of my favorite things, Tom
Bigfoot and the state of Utah. I love the state
of Utah. I grew up going there to my dad's
couple few different cabins that he had in different locations
in and around the Duck Creek area, which I mentioned
to you over our emails. But welcome on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: So have you.
Speaker 4: Always been in Utah? And of course, when did you
get into the subject of Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: No, I'm originally from Georgia.
Speaker 1: I grew up there in a bigfoot hot spot out
there on the Georgia Alabama border, on a big farm,
probably about forty minutes west of Atlanta, and I came
out west I was about nineteen years old, lived in
Wyoming for a little bit, and then.
Speaker 2: I've lived all over Utah.
Speaker 1: I currently live in Saint George, Utah, so relatively close
to that Duck Creek area you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Saint George's beautiful. Yeah, you're just a stone's throw away
from me really here in Vegas. All right, So what
got you started then in Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Well, nothing too extraordinary.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I had an ex experience young or
anything like that. So I grew up on a farm
in Georgia and I remember one morning getting ready for
school and I looked out the door into the woods
and I thought I saw a bigfoot and it was
just standing still, and I was looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, my god, that looks like a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I need to go check, but I was scared, and
I was probably only maybe eight or nine.
Speaker 2: And then every morning after that it was always there.
Speaker 1: And I eventually got up the nerve and strapped on
my little twenty gate shotgun and got my shoes on
and kind of snuck out there and started getting up
closer to this thing, and I'm like, why isn't it moving?
Speaker 2: Why is it just standing there looking at me?
Speaker 1: And I'm getting closer and closer, and finally when I
got within maybe fifty yards of it, I realized it
was definitely not a bigfoot. It was a pine tree
that had snapped off in a recent storm and kind
of moss had grown over it, but even up close,
just like a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And it got me really into it.
Speaker 1: And of course, back in those days, the movie Harry
and the Hendersons came out, and I was at the
perfect age to just think that was the coolest thing ever.
Still kind of do, but got really into it from there,
and then eventually.
Speaker 2: Had my own experiences.
Speaker 4: Do you recall and you may not, but because of
the fact that you saw this bigfoot that you eventually debunked,
do you recall why you would even know the term
Bigfoot at that point. Was it because Harry and the
Henderson's is already out, or was it because of something else.
Speaker 2: It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that I did know
the term at that time, but thinking back the best
I can recall, it seems like I did. So maybe
the movie was already out, or maybe I had heard
of it somehow. I do know that at that point,
Bigfoot wasn't quite as big of a pop culture icon
as they are now. You know, Now you can't go
anywhere without seeing a sticker on somebody's car or a
funny T shirt. But back then, I don't think I
remember it being quite like that, but I seem to
I seem to have had an idea of what it
might have been.
Speaker 4: I do have to say, though, you going out with
the shotgun at a young age is quite bold. You know,
you're just like, Hey, I'm sick of wondering if there's
a creature out there, whatever the heck that is, let
me go check it out.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of how I grew up.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I tell people stories about my childhood,
they're like, that sounds like Tom Sawyer and huck Finn.
I'm like, well, I grew up on one hundred and
forty acre farm in rural Georgia, so it was it
was like that.
Speaker 4: That sounds wonderful, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: It grows really Yeah, it was really nice.
Speaker 4: All right. So now you're in You're in Utah, and
I don't know where you wanted to begin or where
you feel like it's appropriate to begin. As far as
how your sightings happen and all of that, and as
much information, of course that you want to give out
as far as Pacific locations is up to you. Okay,
that's I don't ever expect anyone to give a Latin
lounge of everything going on.
Speaker 2: This is where you go if you want to see
the Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot one.
Speaker 4: The one Bigfoot. Tom is gonna tell us exactly where
to find him.
Speaker 2: He's just waiting. I'm very called. So UH had an
interest in it my whole life.
Speaker 1: So my job, I'm a traveling country singer, and I
go I used to go all over the whole United States,
and I got in the habit of just kind of
like before I would take a break at one of
my shows just telling people like Hey, if anybody's got
a big Foot.
Speaker 2: Story, I'd love to hear it on my break.
Speaker 1: And it seems like every time i'd ask, people would
come up and tell me a good story, and usually firsthand,
like I saw one, this is what happened. Everyone from
little kids to you know, older people. I'd hear all
kinds of great stories, and after a while I started
asking for permission to record some of them. My favorite
without getting too long winded on this, because there's better
things to talk about, but my favorite was I used
to put on a music festival in a little polygamous
town on the U Tires on a border, and some
of my business partners in that festival thought it was
hilarious that I believed in Bigfoot, and they'd always by, Tom,
you seem like a relatively smart guy, but clearly you're not.
Speaker 2: You believe in Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: You're an idiot, And they would just make fun of
me all the time and we'd laugh about it. I'm like, guys,
have you ever looked into the evidence, like you know,
like I love the famous Jeff Meldrum quote, Rest in peace,
doctor Jeff Meldrum. The evidence sustains the existence of the
creature and that's what I tell people when they said,
do you believe in Bigfoot? I'm like, well, the evidence
sustains the existence of the creature. So these friends would
always rag on me because I believed in Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And one day.
Speaker 1: My phone's ringing and I look down and it's them.
I'm like, I can't take it right now. They call back.
They call back, they call back. I'm like, wow, there
must be an emergency. So I answered the phone and
they're like, Tom, Tom, they got me on speaker phone.
Speaker 2: They're freaking out. They're like, dude, we saw Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, guys, all right, you saw one, Like no, no,
Tom for reel, we saw one, like swear on my life.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, you're not kidding, are you. No?
And I was like, you tell me about it.
Speaker 1: So these people pour concrete and they leave very early
in the morning, and they live right on the U
tires on a border hillde Utah, Colorado city, the famous
polygamous town. And they said they were driving to work,
going up the highway there and it ran out of
town across the street, right in front of their truck.
Like we got a good look at it. We didn't
see it's fake, but it ran across the road in
front of us, had a sprint. It looked like I
had long, shaggy hair.
Speaker 2: It was brown.
Speaker 1: And then they said, Tom, not only did we see it,
we saw it again the same time the next day.
And I was like, will you go on camera and
tell me this and tell me all the details. They're like, yes,
we will, Like we are one hundred percent short. So
my biggest uh, my biggest uh. People making fun of
me about it had their own experience and let me
record them telling it. So that was that was super cool.
But as far as my own experiences, I've got a
couple that I wanted to just touch on a little
bit with you, and I can give you feel free
to ask questions and I can give you more details whatever.
So these are not in chronological order, but they're building
in uh.
Speaker 2: In intensity. So I figured that'd be a good way
to go about it.
Speaker 4: I love it, Yeah, go right ahead.
Speaker 1: So in Utah, one of the places that people have
caught it, caught the creature on camera and quite a
few times as Provo Canyon, Provo, home of Brigham Young University,
about forty minutes south of Salt Lake City. It's got
the same mountain range that comes right down to the city.
Really really rough environment up there, beautiful, beautiful mountains, and
a lot of people have got footage of Bigfoot. My
experience is I had played music at a bar one night,
got done at about one point thirty in the morning,
and I'd prepared ahead of time that I was going
to go squatching after the show. I was by myself,
drove up this canyon, kept going as far as I could,
deep into the canyon, and just found a little turn
off and I got out, and I brought a bag
of apples, and I went out. I made a perimeter
of apples kind of in a semicircle in the front
of my vehicle, into my left and right, and gave
a couple calls, you know, the EU typical whoop calls,
and uh, got in the got in the van, rolled
the windows down, turned the van off, and just just waited.
And I waited and waited, and nothing happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything, didn't see anything, nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Eventually, got in the back of the van, went to sleep,
got up early in the next morning, around twilight, and
I went out looking and the first thing I was
able to see was that all the apples were gone,
and I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Find any tracks, no deer tracks, so no tracks of
any kind. They just apples weren't there.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, wow, I kind of can't believe I
didn't hear anything. But i'd have a dog with me too.
No apples. So I'm looking around. It's now day, you know,
it's now morning time. I can see the environment a
little bit better, and I knew from from the map
that there was a campsite very close. This was wintertime,
early winter, and the camp was closed the season.
Speaker 2: So I got out.
Speaker 1: And usually when I get out and get up in
the hills and look around, I'm more prone to follow
game trails.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna have more successful in a
game trail than I will be established routes. So I
went up a game trail and I wasn't very far
up it before I found a huge, probably six and
a half inch long by four inch wide, tough of.
Speaker 2: Very red, coarse hair.
Speaker 1: And to describe it, I mean it really looked like
orangutan for a hair. It was just very coarse, thick,
you know that kind of hair, and I'm looking at
it and I was like, now, what in the world
could have left that? And I'm thinking, okay, do we
have red foxes here? Probably this is not you know,
red fox fur. It's definitely not soft, very coarse, long hairs.
And at this point I had met Later I would
go on to meet doctor Jeff Meldrum, but I wasn't
aware this was quite a few years ago of anyone
who could have DNA tested or done any kind of
further scientific testing. So if it had been later, I
would have bagged it up and sent it in to
be tested. But at this time, all I did was
pick it up, look at it real good, take.
Speaker 2: A couple of pictures of it, put it back.
Speaker 1: So I continued up the game trail, and the game
trail kind of curved. It crossed a couple of small streams,
it kind of curved towards this campsite, and I started
noticing around this point that there were numerous I don't
know what kind of plants they were, but they were
flowering plants that had a bowlb at the end of
their root, kind of similar to like a dandelion type plant.
And what I noticed is that there were many places
where they had been pulled up, and the only reason
I knew what they were is because there were still
some that were not pulled up, and I found one
that was just laying there after having been pulled up.
But what stood out to me was it was very
clear because it was down by the water and the
ground was very moist, and it was like kind of
the consistency of potting soil that whatever it pulled these
up had reached down like say, this is the plant,
reached down like this and scooped it up with their
fingers and you could see the finger marks. And to
do that it would have taken a pretty large hand,
you know.
Speaker 2: The marks maybe.
Speaker 1: Started at like eleven eleven inches to a foot and
scooped these bulbs out.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was very interesting, and I'm thinking, well,
what could do that?
Speaker 1: I like it only think of one thing really cool
thing that happened on this particular time in the woods.
As the game trail continued closer to the campsite, there
was an entire wall, and I would say it was
probably it ranged from four and a half to maybe
seven feet high, and it wasn't just one structure. It
was a wall, a blind really that ran about fifty
feet from the campsite, and like, let's say, my fist
is the campsite. The wall started here, went up and
around and it was hundreds of feet long. Something had
woven and stacked sticks and pine bows and made a
blind and it had numerous places where there were places
where you could look out, like holes in it. So
whatever built this spent a lot of time on it.
It was very well constructed, and they were using it
to spy on the campsite.
Speaker 4: So that would be a creepy find because it's either
bigfoot or people. And honestly, the people's just as creepy,
maybe more, because people are darn creepy. Yeah, that's worse actually,
now that I say that out loud. Yeah, people are
the scariest thing out there. That is incredible. So hundreds
of feet long, that thing. And then I'm thinking of
like in Shallow Howel he tells Tony Robbins he's got
banana hands, you know, He's like, get out of here,
banana hands. I'm thinking unless Shack or Tony Robbins is
out there pulling up those bulbs, you're going that is
a very large hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huge hand, and just the.
Speaker 1: You know, with the structures, I think enough complicated ones
have been found that it should warrant anyone's curiosity.
Speaker 2: At least.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the bulk of them are probably
made by sasquatch, because I mean, I've spent a lot
of time in the woods and I've never spent a
whole day just building a stick structure for fun. Yeah,
it just seems like I mean, some people probably would.
But also with the idea of hoaxing, you're never going
to get the satisfaction of knowing that anyone found it anyway.
Am I sure they're watching or you've got a game
camera on it? And it's really not worth the effort.
It would take forever to build something like that. And
it was really well built. It was strong. There are
places where I pushed on it and it wasn't going anywhere,
So that's experienced one real quick.
Speaker 6: Tom.
Speaker 4: Did it seem like it had been there for a
while or could you tell that kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall any of the pinebows still
being green, but it was, it was, it was strong,
and it was well built. Now granted that environment doesn't
get an awful lot of rain, but it does get snow.
Speaker 2: Now, the snow in Utah has.
Speaker 1: Been diminishing every year for quite a while, but there
was a little bit of snow, but it was solid.
Speaker 2: I don't know how old it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a cool find. Yeah, thank you, what you
can continue? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's number one. The second second thing that
I thought would be really neat to share was I've
got so I travel a lot and most of my
most of my concerts are in rural towns.
Speaker 2: And uh, I was on my.
Speaker 1: Way from southern Utah to Winnemucka, Nevada. And to go there,
you go up to Cedar City, Utah, which is below
Duck Creek where you're talking about, and you cut through
a pretty forested area. One of the little communities out
there is called Pinto.
Speaker 2: And I've had.
Speaker 1: People send me bigfoot footprints and the snow there that
matched ones found in the city of Saint George.
Speaker 2: Oh, like in town. I thought that was pretty.
Speaker 4: Where did the Sorry not to take us off track,
but I'm I do that a lot. Uh where in
Saint George. I mean I know that a lot of
people may not I kind of know the area, and
obviously you know the area where in Saint George were
these tracks found.
Speaker 1: So for listeners who don't know, Saint George is in
the extreme southwest corner of Utah bordering on Arizona, Nevada,
two hours east of Las Vegas. And it is a
I don't know what the population is, but it's it's
a city. It's a small to medium sized see. And
in Saint George there's a very very famous park called
Dixie Rock and it's just right above town and it
has the word Dixie painted on red sandstone.
Speaker 2: Beautiful place.
Speaker 1: It is the park that you'd go to to quickly
have lunch outside. It gets hundreds, if not thousands of
visitors a day. It's wind sculpted sandstone. Really cool place.
So I have Southern Utah Bigfoot Association on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,
all of that. Not as active as I ought to
be with it, but we do have it, and every
now and again people will message us and say, hey,
you might want to check this out. I saw this,
found this. A guy messaged me he was on vacation
from California. He and his family were at this very
popular Park Dixie Rock, and with all the visitors so
sand on the ground, you're gonna find just a multitude
of shoeprints in the sand, just everywhere, everywhere, every square
inch of ground's gonna be covered in shoeprints. And the
sand is really good substrate to pick up the fine details.
You can look it down and read like you know
the brand of the shoe. It's really good at picking
up prints, very fine sandstone sand. So this guy messaged
me and he sent me a picture and he says,
I was at Dixie Rock kind of behind the there's
a desert garden up there that has all the local
plants in an area where you can come see them.
And there's a they've built a man made creek that
flows through it that looks very natural, and it borders
on this desert Tortoise Reserve, which consists of I don't know,
thousands of acres. I'm pretty sure it goes around the
city of Saint George, huge, and basically if you go.
Speaker 2: Off into that, you're you're pretty much out in the
middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: So this guy on vacation messages me and he says,
right at Dixie Rock, I found these footprints. And he
sent me these pictures of these footprints with like super
splayed out toes like as far as I can make
my fingers go. And he had his foot in the picture,
and the guy said, I am I think it was
like six foot seven. The guy was, and he's like,
I wear a size thirteen shoe, and in the picture
his shoe it was dwarfed by these tracks. He measured
these tracks at seventeen and three quarter inches long, pretty
dang big. And so if they had been like those shoes,
you know, those toe shoes, they made his size thirteen
look like I mean, they they were a good five
inches longer than his than his footprint. And he's like,
I'm not a bigfoot guy, but this these are like
bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The problem was I was out of town when I
got the message, so I couldn't go for like three days.
By the time I got there, they were gone.
Speaker 2: There was just shoeprints everywhere.
Speaker 1: But he sent me really good pictures and was very
thorough in getting me the dimensions of the tracks and
about It was the week of Christmas, I think, four
years ago, and about two weeks later from this little
town of Pinto to ties back in on the way
to Nevada. Way out in the woods in southern Utah,
a guy messaged me and he goes, hey, I found
these tracks this morning all around my property.
Speaker 2: Measured them. They're seventeen and three quarter inches long.
Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't know about the He didn't know about
the other tracks. But these tracks were the exact same
size and same toast play. These were in the snow
in Pinto, Utah. I'm pretty sure it was the same
animal that covered about thirty miles of the courses of
the two weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that I would imagine that'd be pretty easy for them.
Speaker 2: I it is.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that in that area and I've been up
to that park. Is was it there watching people? Was
it there digging in garbage? Or you know, was it
over maybe in the tortoise preserve. I mean, that's some nice, slow,
easy food. It makes you wonder if I don't know
if they tag the tortoise or and that's a dark thought.
I like tortoises and turtles, but just makes you wonder,
what in the world is that guy doing over there?
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't like to make very many assumptions
with these kind of things. But my thought is, so
the Desert Tortoise Preserve Reserve, if you were to continue
and go all the way through it, it would take
you to Pine Valley Mountain, which is the same huge
part of the Dixie National Forest, which is our local
forest and mountain area where Duck Creek is connects you
to Cedar City and places further north and to other
mountain ranges in Utah as well, and I would think
it would probably live in that environment more than the
desert environment.
Speaker 2: However, that park has.
Speaker 1: There's a water treatment facility there, and there's also that
little creek I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It flows all through it. So my guess is it
probably came down there for water.
Speaker 4: Well, that's true, because if it was snowing, that means
that the tortoise would not be they would not be out,
they would be in there in their dens. They're staying
there for quite a long time. So yeah, maybe it
it's cold they come down a little bit more when
it's that cold. Utah is one of the states and
I've said this so many times where you're you can
even just drive through. You don't even have to drive
up a mountain to know this. But it goes from
high desert to the cirt it looks like then the
surface of Mars, and then you have true forests.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: It's such a it's such a cool length in Utah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now to tie in heading out to win Amucca.
Speaker 1: So I've gotten in the habit because I travel so
much and often through rural areas just to really just
keep my head on the swivel and just be looking
everywhere I go, you know. And it is a fact
that a lot of bigfoot sightings happen as people are
traveling in their vehicles, so you know, and I'm in
these areas where it's not uncommon. Like you go through
the middle of the Great Basin, you go up through
Panaka and Poach, little old mining and farming towns. Then
you go up to Elee, Nevada, which I'll be heading
to tomorrow morning, and then you go beyond that and
it's just the Great Basin, literally the loneliest highway in America,
Highway fifty and others that connect to it, and then
all the way up to the eighty and then you
go another couple hours to the west and finally get
to Winnemacca. It's about an eight hour drive through some
of the most wide open middle of nowhere that you're
ever gonna find. Okay, So I'm making my way along
and when you get to Ely's up in the mountains,
and there is a summit that you encounter as you
get very close to Italy. I believe it's called Connor,
Connor's Summit or Connor Peak, something of that name. And
I don't remember off the top of my head with
the elevation is, but I want to say it's like
seventy five hundred feet or something. So coming out of
the Great Basin, it's quite a climb winding road. You
go from that Great Basin open desert sagebrush environment, which,
by the way, I've looked over at times since seen
hundreds of elk. So there's definitely food out there. I've
done videos. Could one survive in the Great Basin? Yes, absolutely,
absolutely they could. There's water, there's food, there's big game,
you know. So anyway, I'm going along and I'm going
up this Connor Summit. This was in the wintertime, quite
a bit of snow. Making my way along and there's
nobody out there. You know, you might see a car
go by every hour or so no cell service. EI
there problem, You're in trouble. So I'm cruising along middle
of the day and I get to the peak of
Connor's Summit and I look over to my left and
I'm going slow, very curvy section road, probably doing like
twenty five and I look over and there's a trackway
going through the snow, and I was like that, that
looks like those footprints are very far apart.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull over and check it out.
Speaker 1: And I got out and go over there, and I'm
looking at it, and they were far apart. They were
about four four and a half feet between footsteps, and
they're in the snow, and they were highly degraded, so
like they just look like foot shaped holes and so.
And the snow, even though it was kind of like
melted and frosted over again, so it was that hard,
crunchy snow, it was.
Speaker 2: Still about a little over knee deep on me.
Speaker 1: So I walk up and I'm filming it and I
step in the first track and dwarf's my foot. But
it could have been that the snow had melted away,
you know what I mean. There's no definition to it,
but the distance is what was compelling.
Speaker 2: And I step as.
Speaker 1: Far as I could step and barely make the second track,
and a film and I show this, look, I'm stepping
as far as I can step, barely making the second track.
Speaker 2: There is no track in between.
Speaker 1: It's not like falling snow hasn't fallen in and filled
it in.
Speaker 2: It's simply not there.
Speaker 1: And I follow the next step, the next step, and
I get up into the junipers there and then in
the shade of the junipers, with the sun couldn't get
to the tracks. You get perfect details. You could see
each toe. I mean they were they were perfect, perfect
big foot tracks. And by that point, I'm like, all right, guys,
look at this. These are perfect. And they went on
and I followed them for you know, another fifteen twenty feet,
and then I just stopped and picked up my camera
and showed off into the juniper forest and showed how
I'm surrounded by trees. There's no one around for like
an hour or two, and I'm like, I think that's
far enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again, why would someone try and hoak something
like that way out in the middle of the nowhere,
Like why what would be the point of that? Just
on the off chance that you would glance over and
even see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no there's no game cameras around or
anything to not right there at least, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And I looked around to see if there was any
kind of other uh, any kind of other evidence or anything,
but there was and it was just this trackway.
Speaker 2: But it made sense.
Speaker 1: Also, it was the highest point in that area. And
you know, that's one of the common names that some
of the native people had for him, was like the ridgewalkers,
And that's that's what looked like to be going on here.
And again an environment with abundant game, a fair amount
of water, and also an area very very well known
for a trophy mountain lion hunting. People go out there
and hunt huge mountain lions. So if you could sustain
a mountain lion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ridgewalkers. They have so many cool different names,
don't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so years ago without one on a huge tangent.
I I was when I was first starting my music career.
I used to street perform a lot, and I was
in Salt Lake City at the time, and I was
outside of a comic con event just playing guitar and
harmonica on the street for tips, and somebody walked up
and they dropped a couple of comic Con tickets in
my guitar case, and I thought, yeah, I've been seeing
people in cool costumes go in here all day and
I'm not like a video game, you know, comic.
Speaker 2: Book like this is not I'm not into that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I figured it'd be cool to go in and
you know, people watch and see all the cool costumes
and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I went in. I'm like, all right, this is cool.
Speaker 1: And I looked over at this booth and there's this big, old,
tall guy with the white beard and white hair standing
there and he just looks bored and he's just standing
there and he's just like and clearly like his booth
is not what these people are into. They want anime,
and I don't know whatever. The guy had the booth
and I look over at it. He's got this banner
and it's got all these words written on it that
to me look like various native languages, but it's clear
he's clearly a white guy. So I go walking over
there and I'm like, I wonder what this booth is.
And I was like super into the bigfoot thing at
the time. But I looked down and the guy's got
a table covered in a Bigfoot track castings, and I
was like, hey, this is really cool and he's like yeah,
Like what are those words? He's like, well, these are
various native names for for bigfoot. And it was doctor
Jeff Meldrum and he was so nice and we just
sat there for like an hour and just like talked bigfoot,
and he was just just the most genuine, warm and
answer every question I could think to ask, and let
me pick up the tracks and explain the dermal ridges,
you know, all the things that he always was known
for talking about, and just what an amazing guy. And
he was like, well, do you ever go through Idaho?
And I was like yeah, I do a lot. And
he's like, well, I have a really cool lab up there.
You got to come see it sometime. I was like
really wow. He gave me his phone number and one
time I went through Idaho and I called him very
short notice and he let me come over and see
his lab and two hours just let me go through there.
And by this point I didn't I had been into bigfoot.
Then he's explaining to me all kinds of cool things
and just showing me everything he.
Speaker 2: Had and just an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: And I put a I've got some of my band
merch has like really cool like realistic Sasquatch images on it,
and I went and got him a shirt and gave
it to him.
Speaker 2: And he was just so cool.
Speaker 1: And we met up a few times, had lunch. She
let me interview him and put it on YouTube. Never
asked me for any money or anything like that. Just man,
what a guy. When he died, I cried, I cried.
Speaker 2: I was like, what a what a great man, and
just a good man was he was awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had such a passion for it. And you've
never heard a bad word about Jeff Meldrum, and there's
a reason for that, because he truly was an incredible,
just genuine, nice, humble, extremely down to earth human being.
I also had the fortunate incident during and Ohio Bigfoot
conference long before, well not too long before, but before
I was even on Sasquatch Chronicles, and he was just
so nice. It's special loss that he's gone.
Speaker 1: I was shocked, and you know, I mean he went,
he went very quickly, but yeah, yeah, and you know
the thing was too, he was such an intelligent man.
But he never spoke to you like you weren't right. Yes,
I never I never heard him speak to anyone with condescension. Yeah, anyway,
I don't want to get too long about it, but no, you're.
Speaker 4: You're right about that. He was an incredible man. We're
lucky to have him on our side, as it were, right,
he was definitely on our side for Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And just just to pay respect to another who passed away,
Scott Violet. I don't know if you ever knew him,
but Scott Violet, another Bigfoot researcher.
Speaker 2: He was with Squatch America.
Speaker 1: Started with Blue I think it was Blue Mountain Bigfoot
up in Oregon. And he was awesome. He was a
veteran and a school teacher and his wife is up
in Idaho, I believe right now. And he passed away
and was just another great man, just a kind soul,
very intelligent. I was in Oregon playing a show in
a little town called Baker City, and I'm driving through
this neighborhood looking for my venue, and I look over
and I see this really cool truck decked out with
all this like exploration like camping gear, and it said
I think I said, Blue Mountain bigfoot on it, and
I was just like, I'm gonna pull over and guna
on their door, like why not, right? And I go
knock on the door and his wife came to the door, Hannah,
and I was like, hey, I don't know you, but
I saw your bigfoot truck and I'm way into bigfoot
and just stopped. I fegared I'd just introduced myself, and
you know, she's like, hold on.
Speaker 2: My husband. He comes running up.
Speaker 1: He's like come on in, and then like we end
up hanging out for like two hours. And they put
on a big foot festival up there and hired me
to come up and play it a.
Speaker 2: Few years ago.
Speaker 1: And man, he was a good man too, and passed
away this this year, just I believe a couple months
after doctor Jeff Milch.
Speaker 2: Good. Kay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, losing some good ones, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So found those footprints in Nevada, was able to film
that and document I'm pretty good. That's on our YouTube channel,
Southern Utah Bigfoot Association. Like I said, I played music
full time and I do custom leatherwork, so I bigfoot
is more of a hobby. I'd like to do it
a lot more. We've ended up having a small group
of us with similar interest in the southern Utah area
that have kind of found each other and it's like
a loose affiliation of people friends. My friend Casey Denton
has done he did Squatch Chronicles a couple of weeks
ago and gave an interview there and he does a
lot more getting out in the woods than I do.
And he's he's got a lot of good evidence from
Southern Utah as well. So to move on with interesting experiences, Uh,
this is the the last one before I get into
actually this one, I start seeing things. So a number
of years ago, I was in Washington State, and I
always say, Washington States. We have a city, a little
town here called Washington.
Speaker 6: As I get yeah, I was in Washington State and
was up there quite often, and I figured one of
these times, like I I ought to.
Speaker 1: Do some squatch and I'm in Washington, you know, and
the hotbed of hotbeds. I got to get out and
look for this thing. And so I, you know, pull
up sighting accounts and I'm looking for areas that got
a lot of activity, and I find a little town
called gold Bar, Washington, and it's up in the mountains
and it's very, very beautiful, you know, Pacific Northwest forest,
big rivers going through the area.
Speaker 2: Just it's the quintessential Northwest, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was with my then wife and we
went down a logging road and we looked around a
little bit, didn't see anything in particular. Decided to go
a little bit further, and she decided, She's like, I
think I've gone far enough, I'll stay here. And I'm like,
all right, I'm just gonna go a little further and
i'll be back soon. So she's hanging out and joining
the woods and walking on this logging road, and it
didn't seem to get much traffic, you know, there were no.
Speaker 2: Tire tracks or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I get going down this logging road and it's surrounded
on both sides by dense forest. As I'm just walking along,
I'm just kind of looking and listening and enjoying the
beauty of the place.
Speaker 2: And a rock comes flying out of the woods.
Speaker 1: Just a you know, like a small rock, not maybe
half the size of a baseball, and it bounces across
the trail in front of me, and I immediately notice it,
and I stop and it's there, and I pick up
the rock, and I'm like, something through that, and I
know at this point that you know, bigfoots are ported
to throw.
Speaker 2: Rocks, and the woods are very dense, and I'm looking.
Speaker 1: Around and I'm like, huh, okay, came from this direction
to my right, and I'm looking and you can't see
very far in this kind of woods. Was the middle
of the day, but about thirty feet or so, maybe
a little further into the woods, I see a shadow
that is human shaped but bigger, and I'm looking at
it and I'm like, is that a shadow?
Speaker 2: Then? If it's a shadow, what is it being projected on?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't feel like against the trees, it
would make that kind of easily identifiable shadow. Shadows get
broken up on things like that, you know, like the
bows of an evergreen. You're not gonna make out the
kind of shadow. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, hmm, all,
I guess I'll throw this back. And I could throw
pretty well. And I straight up, like a baseball pitcher,
chuck this rock and it hit.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was square in the sternum, and to my
utter horror, this shadow dropped down in a push up
position and looked at me and I couldn't make out
the face that good.
Speaker 1: I've got really good eyesight, like probably better than twenty twenty.
I can read signs way off in the distance, but
I could not make out the face. There's just too
much going on with it, the trees behind it. But
it's down in this wide arm I've heard people call
it a spider position. It's down in that position with
its legs spread out behind it, its arms way wide.
Push up and with two quick motions one two, it
covered about.
Speaker 2: Twenty feet and I.
Speaker 1: Turned and ran just I think I actually screamed, and
I it just ran, ran all the way out of
the woods Forrest Gump, like gome on, we gotta go.
Speaker 2: And it was it was scary, and.
Speaker 1: As much as I would have loved to stayed and
like filmed it, I was terrified. So that was all
I saw. But I saw something do that, and what
else could it have been?
Speaker 4: Okay, So up to that point, obviously you you quite
believed that Bigfoot could be out there, right. I don't
know if you were at one hundred percent by that
point or if you were like ninety eight point five
or whatever it is. You may not know. But once
that happened. Did that obviously was very scary. Uh, the
way that you said that, the way it moved and everything, Yeah,
that would be horrifying. And by the way, I think
you're the first person I've talked to that actually chucked
the rock back and pegged what through the rock. That
is incredible.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've got a rattlesnake on my wall
that I killed the same way by hitting its head
with a rock. Good Lord, so I can throw pretty good.
And I hit this thing hard.
Speaker 4: Didn't let out of any kind of a noise.
Speaker 2: Didn't make any sound at all.
Speaker 4: You probably completely shocked it. I'll bet that's never happened
to that thing ever in its history of rock throwing.
Speaker 1: It definitely had never happened to me. And it, you know,
to be honest, like even if it probably would have
just like moved a little, I might have reacted.
Speaker 4: The same way, right right.
Speaker 1: It was just and it didn't do anything particularly menacing,
you know, like it didn't come at me aggressively by
any means. It just immediately dropped and did that movement
two times and was just covered a lot of ground
even amongst those trees, like it demonstrated like like I
can't do that, Like I can, you know, Like I
could do like a burpie and like drop to the
ground and do a push up and throw myself back
to a standing position. But I can't throw my body
sideways from a push up position, you know what I mean,
and cover in two movements like twenty feet. That's crazy
to me. That demonstrates a great deal of strength.
Speaker 4: And beyond just being strong and agile obviously and built
for the areas that they live in. Could you see
where some people and depending on lighting and how you
process things, just as a human being, can you see
where some people might go? That was paranormal. Nothing, nothing
that has blood running through its veins that we know
of could do something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot. I first heard
about that in reading the accounts of Native Americans. And
I have experienced enough things in my life that I
definitely believe in and the spiritual. I believe in that
the world of spirits exist. I believe it's right here
amongst it, amongst us. I've also filmed right here in
my yard, the orbs, the plasmoids. I've got very good
video of those, and I see them a lot. I've
got a lot of videos of them. I don't know
what they are. I don't try to make assumptions. I've
read about what NASA said about them. It's a whole
different thing. I share that just to say I believe
in the spiritual world, and I believe.
Speaker 2: That there are many many things that we don't understand.
Speaker 1: And when someone says I saw this and experience this,
I'm not quick to discount someone.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Granted, there might be details of it that are manipulated
by the way we remember things or colored by our beliefs.
You know, we might get confirmation bias. But when people
see like a bigfoot vanish or a bigfoot accompanied by
an orb of light, that things like this has been
caught on camera or cloaking, you know these things have
been caught on camera. And granted, we do now live
in an era where you cannot believe your eyes, especially
with something you're seeing on a screen. I don't know
if you've noticed, but the bigfoot sightings in the last
year have gone up, the ones caught on camera, and
some of them are clearly AI and others You're like, man,
I don't know, I don't know if that's AI or not.
We're never gonna know again, ever, if what we're seeing
is real, and that will probably start to happen in
our day to day life as well as they come
up with new forms of advertising or whatever using AI technology.
That being said, do I personally think Bigfoot is a
flesh and blood and bone being.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It leaves tracks, it leaves hair, it leaves scat, it
leaves evidence behind. Do I believe it has a paranormal
element to it? It seems like it must by the
stories people are telling and the evidence people are capturing.
It seems like it must.
Speaker 4: How because I always try to place myself, especially when
it's someone's first sighting that they say they've had. I
try to place myself there because I'm always saying, oh,
I want to I want to see one, which I do.
And you can't pick and choose how that encounter is
going to go, how you're going to process it, how
close you're going to be, if you're going to be
feel like you're kind of safe in a car, or
like you walking down a lovely game trail and it's
just you and the Bigfoot. But the good thing is
that seemed like a pretty benign siding to where it
bugged out, like you hit it with the rock that
it was throwing at you and it bugged out. So
that's good, that's a great sighting. But did you really feel,
like you know, did you go back to your wife
and go, okay, so those are actually truly one hundred
percent real and you know did that or did you go, oh, well,
of course they're out here and I just happened to
finally see one. I mean, how much of a of
a light bulb moment was that for you? I guess?
And as far as your personal belief systems on Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I mean removed all doubt for me, So you did.
Speaker 4: Have some doubt still at that point, I guess, is
what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like.
Speaker 1: Until a person sees something with their own eyes, you
should always have some doubt.
Speaker 2: Now, granted, if you look, I tell everybody, because I.
Speaker 1: Get in conversations about Bigfoot all the time, just get
on YouTube and look into the evidence for a couple hours.
Speaker 2: You'll probably be convinced as well. There's a lot of evidence.
People are like, why don't people see it? People see
it all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people see them all the time, and people are
like the Bigfoot. It's like no, no, no, it's a
species like there is there couldn't be just one, you know.
I love how in Mormonism there's the I don't know
if you're familiar with the story that Bigfoot is Caine.
Speaker 4: I've heard other people bring that up.
Speaker 1: You yeah, and so that would like be there's just
the one right he lives for and it's the spiritual punishment,
you know. And that's not official like old Mormon doctrine,
but it is an old story and that's interesting. But yeah,
I mean, just after you experience something like that, it's
really hard to excuse it. You know, you could you
could come up with a million things like yeah, the
guy in the gilli suit ran using super human physical
he's like you know what I mean, Like, it's hard
to say, wow, that didn't that that was pretty uncanny.
Speaker 2: That was and it happened happened to me.
Speaker 4: Can you guess about how tall it was? I know
it wasn't right in front of your face, so it's
a little tough.
Speaker 1: But I would think that just judging by my best estimate,
what I saw was it seemed like it was kind
of like hunched over and like maybe maybe holding on
to some trees when it was first looking at me.
Speaker 2: And I would still say, even not standing completely straight,
maybe seven feet or.
Speaker 1: A little bit higher and broad, like definitely broad, three
and a half four feet at the shoulders.
Speaker 2: It was big.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have got a clearer look. It
was more like, like I said, it appeared to be
a shadow.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the face would be more the human
or Neanderthal type, or if it would be the more
gorilla type face. Right.
Speaker 1: I know, I've always wanted to get a real good
look at a face of one. And I love one
of my t shirts has a police sketch out of
Oregon and it's a it's a pretty good drawing, you know,
And I just it'd be so cool to see you
one close enough. And I love reading those encounters where
people say like I saw the face and I could
see the intelligence, and it looks so human, and you know,
like with that with that aspect. I initially years ago
when I saw those Todd standing photos, I was like,
come on, really, you know, but I've seen some videos
where people have analyzed those, and now I'm like, man,
it might be really you know what I mean like
just the people like measuring the average length of the
the little needles on those type of fir trees and
comparing that to get a size estimate on the head.
I'm like, oh crap, and he is telling the truth.
But those are you know, really good face photos. If
that is what they are.
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder because we know they're they're they're
pretty intelligent, you know, they're they're smarter than many of
the the things running around in the woods. It makes
you wonder if, after being paid with the rock that
it was thrown at you, if it didn't throw any
rocks for a while, or you know, or if it
if it has the mind to remember that for years
and go, well, I'm gonna throw this. Let's see if
it throws it back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I would imagine they're clearly very intelligent. And
I've been of the opinion that I think all all
life is a lot more intelligent than we give it
credit for. Like I've got chickens and they know their names,
you know, Like I can call an individual chicken and
it'll come to me. And we see we see evidence
a lot of a lot of video evidence of animals
doing things so intelligent, and not just animals we know
we're intelligent, like ravens and crows and dolphins, like, there's
a lot of evidence that all animals are a lot
more into elgi and then we think they are. And
if something like that, a bipedal, very human like animal
lives in the woods like, I'd imagine they're quite smart.
Speaker 4: I would love to see though, that that's spider crawl.
The second it went down like that. That was the
term that popped into my head. I would love to
see Wendy that. I would also probably though, run in
that situation that you just mentioned, I think that was
the proper thing to do.
Speaker 2: It was so fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I say it dropped, it was like it
threw its legs back and fell.
Speaker 2: Into that position. M do you know what. Yeah, It's
just it didn't like slowly get down.
Speaker 1: It was just boom there and it was like, you know,
it didn't make a sound again to clarify, to hear
it right, I would have it probably have been even scarier,
but it just hit the ground and just gone. The
next experience I had personally, I've got too more things
to tell you about, if that's all right. Absolutely, The
next experience I had. Again, these are not in chronological order,
but they're just in an order of interestingness, I guess
I would say the next one I had is I
used to I used to play a lot of the
ski resorts in Utah, and I was scheduled to perform
at one in the mountains above Ogden, Utah. So I
was making my way up and it was wintertime again.
It was very snowy, and there is a place on
this road where you get a really good look at
the Weber River that flows down out of the mountains
towards Ogden. And I had passed this location in other
seasons and noticed that it was a very popular fishing
spot in good weather in the spring and summer.
Speaker 2: There's always just a line of fly fishermen there.
Speaker 1: So there's fish there, and it's a bend in the
river that can be seen clearly from the highway. So
it's now wintertime and I'm making my way to the
ski resort and it's snowing pretty hard. Very few people
on the road, and as I come up on that
point of the Weaver River, there's no one fishing.
Speaker 2: It's just the middle of winter, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and it's snowing hard, and I look and I
see perfectly clearly this bend in the river and there
is a man standing in the river and he's standing
with his legs spread out to brace him against the current.
Speaker 2: And I'll stand up. I'll show you he was kind
of yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's standing in the river like this and he's
looking in the water like that he was. He was
really big, shaggy in appearance. Again, I'm driving and it's snowing,
and he's far enough away that I couldn't get all
the detail I would like to have got again, couldn't
make out any face, but it's just a man shape
and it's shaggy, and it's in the river and it's
freezing cold out and it's a fishing spot. And it
looked to me like it was looking in the river
thinking like, man, maybe I can catch a fish on
my hands, you know, like that's how I would be
standing if I was trying to catch a fish on
my hands, which probably couldn't do. But this thing was
doing that, and I see it, and I immediate him
like that's that's abnormal. As soon as I get over this,
this like I think it was a bridge or some
kind of like small, you know, go over this little
part of the river. Yeah, yeah, it was a bridge.
I was gonna pull off and try to get a
better look. And it only takes like five ten seconds
to get over this bridge, and I pull off, and
the snow super deep. I open the van door and
I hop out in the snow and it was like
again like up to my knees, good, good, deep snow.
And I'm thinking, if I run to the edge of this,
I can look down at the river and maybe get
a good look at this thing. And so I'm running
through the snow and I get down to where I
could see the rivers way down below me, like, oh,
not way down. It's probably like forty fifty feet below me,
down a steep embankment to the river. But it's super snowy,
and I'm looking down there and I could see the
spot I had just seen, and whatever had been in
the river is not there anymore. But on the opposite
side there was a mountain about this steep and I
could see the.
Speaker 2: Footprints going up the mountain.
Speaker 1: So what ever it was, I was in where you
would have parked if you were there fishing. There was
no other cars there, and The only other thing if
it was a fisherman would have been that he would
have walked down the river with his waiters on.
Speaker 2: This did not have the shape of a man in waiters.
It was all one uniform color appeared to be black.
Speaker 1: There was no identifying like, there was no backpack, there
was no fishing pole for sure, just a big man
shape looking down standing and kind of just swaying looking
in the river like looking for fish.
Speaker 2: And the tracks going up the river.
Speaker 1: Now, there would have been no way for me to
go get a better look at those tracks unless I
were to jump in that river and walk across, which
I wasn't about to do. So I just got back
in the car and continue up the ski resort and
played my show.
Speaker 2: But I got about as good.
Speaker 1: Of a look at it as you could get without
being able to make out the face and the fine details.
Speaker 4: So how you said it's mostly a black creature? How
if it was in shadows and things set back in
some aspen trees or you know whatever, Gina, the trees
that we have in Utah, But how how well would
you be able to see a creature like that? Do
you think it if it was amongst shadows? Or if
it was dark.
Speaker 1: I'd be really hard to see with the with the
darkness of the actual creature itself and just the hair
to break up the you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It doesn't give it sharp lines, you know, like it, But.
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a pretty good look at it.
Just again, I wish I had seen the face.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things where I'm like,
it couldn't have been anything else. But I when people
say have you seen a bigfoot? I always say I
have seen two things that I'm pretty sure we're bigfoot. Yeah,
that's how I explain it. I cannot say on bigfoot. Uh,
it was either somebody trying to look like Bigfoot standing
in a freezing cold river in the middle of a blizzard,
or it was bigfoot.
Speaker 4: And again, why in the world would someone want to
do that? But hey, not not impossible. So that's why
I appreciate the fact that you say, I can't say
one hundred percent pigfoot. I didn't see the face. I wasn't.
I don't feel like I was close enough. I didn't
go over and shake its hand. So I do appreciate
that you say that, But yeah, you kind of go well,
what what in the world else would that be and
why would they be standing in the middle of a
freezing cold river and then boogey up the wrong side
where it's just forest. On the other side.
Speaker 2: Steep, very steep mountain.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 2: So the final thing I've got to tell you is
kind of an ongoing situation, I guess you could say.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how it's going to resolve, and
I don't know much more to do about it. But
I have on my phone probably one of the best
bigfoot videos it's ever been recorded, and like five people
have seen it, and I have been told implicitly, well,
I'll tell you how I got it. So here in
southern Utah I do. I do custom leatherwork, and a
barber contacted me. He says, hey, can you re upholster
a vintage barber chair? And I was like, I've never
done it, but I bet I can.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: So I go over there and I'm looking at the
chair and the guy's showing me and he goes, hey,
you're kind of like a bigfoot guy, aren't you. And
I was like, oh yeah, I'm way into that stuff.
And he goes A guy came in here and told
me that his friend saw a bigfoot and got it
on camera and got the video.
Speaker 2: Do you want to see it?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, yeah, I want to see it.
And he goes, it's really good. It's a really good video.
And I'm like, tell me, what do you know about it?
He goes, all I know about it is the guy
that came in for a haircut, got it from his friend,
who is the person that filmed it, and the man
that filmed it.
Speaker 2: So right down the road.
Speaker 1: From here is Gunlock Reservoir. And at Gunlock Reservoir you
have the Shivwitz Band of Payute, their nation, their reservation there,
and it's small for a reservation, but it's beautiful country.
And it's right outside of Saint George and it's much
more wooded than Saint George. And it has water, has
a river running through a creek, a good creek running
through it that flows year round, I believe, And Gunlock Reservoir.
So this man was hiking just outside the reservation, further
towards Nevada. And so you're coming down out of the mountains,
it's getting more desert, but up in the mountains there's
sagebrush and you go a little bit higher and there's
there's forest and this man in the video, he's payute.
He doesn't show himself. He's hiking up a trail. There's
no one else in the video. He's got his dog.
And what I was told was the dog had a
tracking collar on it that made a subsonic pinging sound.
And I don't know if it was a hunting dog
or just a dog that had that kind of collar
where he could let it roam off and find it,
but it had this special collar that made a subsonic
pinging sound that humans cannot hear.
Speaker 2: No human can hear it. It's a key point of story.
Speaker 1: The man is walking along and he goes, oh God,
look and he pulls his camera up and on top
of a mountain ridge. There's no trees on this particular mountain,
it's not high enough. You can see the shape of
a bigfoot walking on the ridge. And the guy goes,
that's a bigfoot and he zooms in and gets a
perfect look at it. Now again it's far enough away
you can't see the face. But what you see in
this video is very clear silhouette with all the classic
bigfoot posture, smart like hardly any neck headway out in
front of the shoulders, a posture that just like in
the Paddy video, you can't make that posture, like you
know what I mean, Like you know, as much as
I'm trying to hunch my back, it's not The head
isn't that far forward on a human being like it
is on the Paddy video, or like it is in
this video that I've got on my phone. And you
could see the arms and the length of them, and
they come down about the knees. You can see the fingers,
the shape of the hand, you can see the draping
of the hair on the body. And the thing is
walking at a relatively brisk rate, and twice it raises
its hands to its ears and does this, and then
it keeps walking faster and raises its hands again. And
when it throws its arms down, you can just tell
the mass, you know it just like it's frustrated. It
throws its arms down and you see the hair swing
and everything, and it is a damn good video, do you.
Speaker 4: I mean you probably wouldn't unless you're able to talk
to the man that actually filmed this. But do you
know why he was filming in the first place.
Speaker 2: Because he saw it.
Speaker 4: Okay, he saw it, and then he hits record with
his phone. I'm assuming his cell.
Speaker 2: Phone, he says.
Speaker 1: In the video, he goes, I was just filming some
deer up there, and they're not nearly that big. That's
a bigfoot. That's a big foot, and it's a good
The video is like five six seconds long, and he
zooms in on it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he filmed it on a cell phone,
but it's it's clear. It's really good quality. And when
you zoom in on what he zoomed in on, like,
you get a good look at it. So the guy,
the barber, he shows it to me and I'm like,
my god, that.
Speaker 2: Is a good video. And it was filmed right here.
Do you know when it was filmed?
Speaker 1: He says about a month ago, just a month ago,
and he's like yeah, like and this was spring of
last year.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, that is this
is a good bigfoot video, goes, isn't it? Like? This
is this is real? I think.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think so too. I said, who filmed it?
And he goes, I don't know, but all I know
is that to them, it's a bad omen. And he doesn't.
He didn't want it to be put on the internet
and he didn't want people to see it. But whoever
this man was sent it to his friend who told
the barber and sent it to the barber, and the
barber sent it to me and I have it on
my phone and the guy said, please don't post it
on the internet. I don't want him to find out.
I gave it to you, and I've stayed true to
my word. I told him I wouldn't post it, and
I've held onto it for a year and he said,
you can show it to people, but don't share it.
Speaker 2: So I've showed it to a handful of people. Check
it out.
Speaker 1: You want to see a big foot video? Wow, Everyone's like,
oh my god, that looks real. Yeah, it's right out here,
not far from Saint George. And my wife and I
went up on that mountain and looked all around and
we didn't find anything. We did find a hermit was
living on the mountain and we asked him have you
ever see any bigfoot out here? And he just laughed, No,
there's no such thing. I'm like, really, look at this.
He goes, that's a man, Like, that's.
Speaker 2: Just a man. I'm like, that's not a man.
Speaker 1: If you ever find anything, I'll come back out here
and find you in a couple of months. Tell me
if you ever see anythings, like, I'm not going to
see anything, but whatever, You're crazy. And it's been eating
me up having that video because I feel like I
want like Thinker Thunker and better minds than mind to
analyze it. And so I contacted the barber like a
week ago, and he's like, I don't know who shot
the video. I'm like, man, I gotta talk to him.
I gotta get his consent to share it. This is
this is a good video. People need to see it.
It needs to be analyzed. I believe it's real. You
believe it's real. Everyone I've showed to it showed it too,
is like, oh my god, that is real. We need
to find out who it is. And he's like, well,
I'll talk to the guy who shared it with me.
But the guy was clear when he shared it. I'm like,
you know, and he shared it with his friend.
Speaker 2: It brought him.
Speaker 1: I kind of just want to post it, you know,
but I'm like, I said I wouldn't, so I need
to get the guy's consent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get where he's coming from, uh, with his beliefs,
and I understand where you're coming from. You know, there's
there's two sides to that. But you can tell that
he he wants to share it. I guess up to
a certain point. It's obviously eating him up. He shared
it with his friend, who then shared it with the barber.
But oh my goodness, yeah, that would be uh, that
would be very cool to see.
Speaker 1: If I wouldn't have given my word that I wasn't
going to post it, I would have posted it. It's
and I'm hoping to get to the bottom of it
and and find whoever shot it and be like, come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah needs to see that.
Speaker 4: And you know, if he's not really up on what's
going on in the bigfoot world and he doesn't know
people like Thinker Thunker, maybe you could show him a
few videos and say, listen, these people take this very seriously,
you know, and if they could analyze it, then maybe
we could help to suay some more people that we're
not all cuckoo talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: But and nobody, and you don't have to be you know,
attached to it if you don't want to be right,
I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of anybody like laughing,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't care if
you don't believe in it. You don't believe in a
big deal. It's trying to find one of the screenshots.
So I took a couple of screenshots from the video
and I haven't shared those either.
Speaker 2: Sorry. I'm scanning through a bunch of pictures trying to
find it. I thought it would be in the screenshot folder,
but it's not there.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the video needs to be analyzed, Haley, really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you could track them down and just have
a little sit down talk with them and say, well,
this is going to be taken very seriously. Well, Tom,
I truly appreciate you coming on to share all of this.
Will you please let everyone know where to find Southern
Utah Bigfoot Association and of course any of your music
stuff that you're doing and your leather works too if
you want.
Speaker 2: Sure, Thank you so.
Speaker 1: Southern Utah Bigfoot Association can be found on Facebook, Instagram,
and YouTube. Again, not as active as I ought to
be with it, but there is some stuff up there
and videos of the tracks I found in Nevada and
things like that.
Speaker 2: And then my.
Speaker 1: Music people can just search Tom Bennett one man band,
and I tour all over Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming,
and I'm kind of like the the.
Speaker 2: Country singer of Zion National Park.
Speaker 1: I play there every week. And then my leather work
is you might have to edit this is outlaws shit
leather works and mostly just have an Instagram page for that,
but I do all kinds of custom items, some of
it Bigfoot related, and make things that I sell at
my show like flask wallets and coozies and just things
like that.
Speaker 2: Well, dang, it's trying to find it.
Speaker 4: I will not be editing that out. Actually I'm going
to lead that in no problem. That way people can
go and check that out. Yeah, well, Tom, thank you
so much, And not that you need to do this,
of course, but I'm a little fascinated, especially the mention
of this video. If you can keep me informed on
that one. Not that I'm asking to see it or anything,
but that's a kind of a big deal. You know,
when we get a good piece of video evidence, it's
it's few and far between, so good luck with that.
Speaker 1: I'm looking, uh, scroll and see if I can find
the screenshot real quick, because I would feel comfortable at
least showing you that, and I'd like, like I said,
I am, I am intending on finding this guy, and
I hope to be able to convince him that he
can remain anonymous, that people should be able to see
the video.
Speaker 4: You sure he wouldn't mind his showing the screenshot even.
Speaker 2: Mmm, I don't know, I agreed not to show the video.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: That sounds.
Speaker 4: It's a lot like, yeah, we've found a loophole, Tom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm not seeing it right now, but maybe
I'll be able to find it later.
Speaker 2: But okay, anyway, so yeah, those are my best stories.
Speaker 1: We do find a lot of evidence around here. A
lot of people wouldn't think that the certain environment would
be a good habitat or something like that, but we
have evidence that at least passes through. I've had times
where people have contacted us and said, oh, I was
driving down near Zion and it was a rainy night,
very rare that we get those, and something ran across
the road. There was another vehicle that pulled over when
we did. And then sure enough, within a day or
two I heard from the other vehicle we saw a Bigfoot,
there was another vehicle pulled over. I'm like, I kind
of cooperates that account. There's a canyon kind of near
Cedar City where we've had numerous people say that they've
seen it and that it has come very close to
some houses. You get up in the mountains, not quite
near Duck Creek, but in that area there's a lot
of structures. Casey, one of the other guys with a
Southern Utah Bigfoot, has got a lot of video of
structures up there, and we've gone up once or twice
and seen twisted trees, and he's got one of his
favorite things he shows everyone is he's got a nail.
It's a really big nail and it's really it's like thick,
you know, and something has twisted it and he found
it on the ground near some Bigfoot structures.
Speaker 2: So there's evidence that there's things even around here.
Speaker 4: Well, I look forward to, you know, keeping in touch
with you, especially since you're essentially my neighbor in one
of my favorite states in the United States. I love
Utah so much, so I hope that you'll come back
on and share any updates and any other sidings you
might have.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was fun. I enjoyed it, and I'm
going to listen to some of your other episodes. Thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for reaching out, Tom, I appreciate it.
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that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
living somewhere else.
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