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bounces across the trail in front of me, but about

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thirty feet or so into the woods, I see a

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shadow that is human shaped but bigger, and I'm looking

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at it and I'm like, hmm, I.

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Speaker 1: I straight up, like a baseball pitcher, chuck this rock

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and it hit whatever it was square in the sternum,

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and to my utter horror, this shadow dropped down in

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a push up position.

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Speaker 2: People went to and fro the earth about their little affairs,

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serene and the assurance of their dominion over this small

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binning fragment of solar drip wood, which.

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dark mystery of the time and the space.

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Speaker 4: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Tom

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on with me, and he is of the Southern Utah

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Bigfoot Association. So two things rolled into one for me

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today that are a couple of my favorite things, Tom

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Bigfoot and the state of Utah. I love the state

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of Utah. I grew up going there to my dad's

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couple few different cabins that he had in different locations

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in and around the Duck Creek area, which I mentioned

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to you over our emails. But welcome on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: So have you.

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Speaker 4: Always been in Utah? And of course, when did you

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get into the subject of Bigfoot?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm originally from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I grew up there in a bigfoot hot spot out

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there on the Georgia Alabama border, on a big farm,

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probably about forty minutes west of Atlanta, and I came

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out west I was about nineteen years old, lived in

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Wyoming for a little bit, and then.

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Speaker 2: I've lived all over Utah.

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Speaker 1: I currently live in Saint George, Utah, so relatively close

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to that Duck Creek area you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Saint George's beautiful. Yeah, you're just a stone's throw away

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from me really here in Vegas. All right, So what

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got you started then in Bigfoot?

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Speaker 2: Well, nothing too extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like I had an ex experience young or

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anything like that. So I grew up on a farm

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in Georgia and I remember one morning getting ready for

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school and I looked out the door into the woods

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and I thought I saw a bigfoot and it was

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just standing still, and I was looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, my god, that looks like a bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: I need to go check, but I was scared, and

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Speaker 2: And then every morning after that it was always there.

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Speaker 1: And I eventually got up the nerve and strapped on

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my little twenty gate shotgun and got my shoes on

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and kind of snuck out there and started getting up

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closer to this thing, and I'm like, why isn't it moving?

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Speaker 2: Why is it just standing there looking at me?

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Speaker 1: And I'm getting closer and closer, and finally when I

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got within maybe fifty yards of it, I realized it

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was definitely not a bigfoot. It was a pine tree

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that had snapped off in a recent storm and kind

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of moss had grown over it, but even up close,

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just like a bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: And it got me really into it.

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Speaker 1: And of course, back in those days, the movie Harry

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and the Hendersons came out, and I was at the

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perfect age to just think that was the coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 2: Had my own experiences.

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Speaker 4: Do you recall and you may not, but because of

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the fact that you saw this bigfoot that you eventually debunked,

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do you recall why you would even know the term

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Bigfoot at that point. Was it because Harry and the

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Henderson's is already out, or was it because of something else.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that I did know

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the term at that time, but thinking back the best

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the movie was already out, or maybe I had heard

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of it somehow. I do know that at that point,

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Bigfoot wasn't quite as big of a pop culture icon

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as they are now. You know, Now you can't go

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anywhere without seeing a sticker on somebody's car or a

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funny T shirt. But back then, I don't think I

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remember it being quite like that, but I seem to

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the shotgun at a young age is quite bold. You know,

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you're just like, Hey, I'm sick of wondering if there's

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a creature out there, whatever the heck that is, let

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me go check it out.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of how I grew up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I tell people stories about my childhood,

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they're like, that sounds like Tom Sawyer and huck Finn.

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I'm like, well, I grew up on one hundred and

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forty acre farm in rural Georgia, so it was it

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Speaker 4: That sounds wonderful, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: It grows really Yeah, it was really nice.

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Speaker 4: All right. So now you're in You're in Utah, and

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you feel like it's appropriate to begin. As far as

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how your sightings happen and all of that, and as

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much information, of course that you want to give out

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that's I don't ever expect anyone to give a Latin

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lounge of everything going on.

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Speaker 2: This is where you go if you want to see

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the Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot one.

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Speaker 4: The one Bigfoot. Tom is gonna tell us exactly where

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to find him.

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Speaker 2: He's just waiting. I'm very called. So UH had an

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interest in it my whole life.

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Speaker 1: So my job, I'm a traveling country singer, and I

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go I used to go all over the whole United States,

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my shows just telling people like Hey, if anybody's got

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a big Foot.

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Speaker 2: Story, I'd love to hear it on my break.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like every time i'd ask, people would

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come up and tell me a good story, and usually firsthand,

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like I saw one, this is what happened. Everyone from

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little kids to you know, older people. I'd hear all

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kinds of great stories, and after a while I started

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to put on a music festival in a little polygamous

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town on the U Tires on a border, and some

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of my business partners in that festival thought it was

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hilarious that I believed in Bigfoot, and they'd always by, Tom,

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you seem like a relatively smart guy, but clearly you're not.

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Speaker 2: You believe in Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: You're an idiot, And they would just make fun of

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me all the time and we'd laugh about it. I'm like, guys,

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have you ever looked into the evidence, like you know,

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like I love the famous Jeff Meldrum quote, Rest in peace,

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doctor Jeff Meldrum. The evidence sustains the existence of the

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creature and that's what I tell people when they said,

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do you believe in Bigfoot? I'm like, well, the evidence

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sustains the existence of the creature. So these friends would

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always rag on me because I believed in Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: My phone's ringing and I look down and it's them.

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I'm like, I can't take it right now. They call back.

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must be an emergency. So I answered the phone and

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they're like, Tom, Tom, they got me on speaker phone.

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Speaker 2: They're freaking out. They're like, dude, we saw Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, guys, all right, you saw one, Like no, no,

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Tom for reel, we saw one, like swear on my life.

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in the morning, and they live right on the U

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polygamous town. And they said they were driving to work,

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going up the highway there and it ran out of

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town across the street, right in front of their truck.

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see it's fake, but it ran across the road in

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front of us, had a sprint. It looked like I

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had long, shaggy hair.

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Speaker 1: And then they said, Tom, not only did we see it,

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we saw it again the same time the next day.

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tell me this and tell me all the details. They're like, yes,

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we will, Like we are one hundred percent short. So

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my biggest uh, my biggest uh. People making fun of

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me about it had their own experience and let me

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record them telling it. So that was that was super cool.

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to ask questions and I can give you more details whatever.

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Speaker 2: In intensity. So I figured that'd be a good way

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Speaker 1: So in Utah, one of the places that people have

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caught it, caught the creature on camera and quite a

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few times as Provo Canyon, Provo, home of Brigham Young University,

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got done at about one point thirty in the morning,

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to go squatching after the show. I was by myself,

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drove up this canyon, kept going as far as I could,

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deep into the canyon, and just found a little turn

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off and I got out, and I brought a bag

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of apples, and I went out. I made a perimeter

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of apples kind of in a semicircle in the front

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of my vehicle, into my left and right, and gave

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the windows down, turned the van off, and just just waited.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, got in the back of the van, went to sleep,

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Speaker 2: Find any tracks, no deer tracks, so no tracks of

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any kind. They just apples weren't there.

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didn't hear anything. But i'd have a dog with me too.

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that there was a campsite very close. This was wintertime,

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early winter, and the camp was closed the season.

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Speaker 1: And usually when I get out and get up in

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the hills and look around, I'm more prone to follow

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna have more successful in a

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game trail than I will be established routes. So I

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up it before I found a huge, probably six and

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orangutan for a hair. It was just very coarse, thick,

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red fox fur. It's definitely not soft, very coarse, long hairs.

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And at this point I had met Later I would

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go on to meet doctor Jeff Meldrum, but I wasn't

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aware this was quite a few years ago of anyone

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who could have DNA tested or done any kind of

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further scientific testing. So if it had been later, I

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would have bagged it up and sent it in to

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be tested. But at this time, all I did was

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pick it up, look at it real good, take.

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Speaker 2: A couple of pictures of it, put it back.

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Speaker 1: So I continued up the game trail, and the game

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trail kind of curved. It crossed a couple of small streams,

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it kind of curved towards this campsite, and I started

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noticing around this point that there were numerous I don't

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know what kind of plants they were, but they were

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flowering plants that had a bowlb at the end of

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their root, kind of similar to like a dandelion type plant.

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And what I noticed is that there were many places

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where they had been pulled up, and the only reason

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I knew what they were is because there were still

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some that were not pulled up, and I found one

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that was just laying there after having been pulled up.

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But what stood out to me was it was very

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clear because it was down by the water and the

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ground was very moist, and it was like kind of

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the consistency of potting soil that whatever it pulled these

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up had reached down like say, this is the plant,

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reached down like this and scooped it up with their

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fingers and you could see the finger marks. And to

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do that it would have taken a pretty large hand,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: The marks maybe.

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Speaker 1: Started at like eleven eleven inches to a foot and

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scooped these bulbs out.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that was very interesting, and I'm thinking, well,

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what could do that?

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Speaker 1: I like it only think of one thing really cool

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thing that happened on this particular time in the woods.

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As the game trail continued closer to the campsite, there

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was an entire wall, and I would say it was

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probably it ranged from four and a half to maybe

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seven feet high, and it wasn't just one structure. It

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was a wall, a blind really that ran about fifty

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feet from the campsite, and like, let's say, my fist

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is the campsite. The wall started here, went up and

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around and it was hundreds of feet long. Something had

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woven and stacked sticks and pine bows and made a

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blind and it had numerous places where there were places

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where you could look out, like holes in it. So

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whatever built this spent a lot of time on it.

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It was very well constructed, and they were using it

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to spy on the campsite.

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Speaker 4: So that would be a creepy find because it's either

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bigfoot or people. And honestly, the people's just as creepy,

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maybe more, because people are darn creepy. Yeah, that's worse actually,

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now that I say that out loud. Yeah, people are

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the scariest thing out there. That is incredible. So hundreds

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of feet long, that thing. And then I'm thinking of

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like in Shallow Howel he tells Tony Robbins he's got

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banana hands, you know, He's like, get out of here,

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banana hands. I'm thinking unless Shack or Tony Robbins is

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out there pulling up those bulbs, you're going that is

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a very large hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, huge hand, and just the.

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Speaker 1: You know, with the structures, I think enough complicated ones

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have been found that it should warrant anyone's curiosity.

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Speaker 2: At least.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that the bulk of them are probably

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made by sasquatch, because I mean, I've spent a lot

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of time in the woods and I've never spent a

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whole day just building a stick structure for fun. Yeah,

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it just seems like I mean, some people probably would.

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But also with the idea of hoaxing, you're never going

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to get the satisfaction of knowing that anyone found it anyway.

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Am I sure they're watching or you've got a game

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camera on it? And it's really not worth the effort.

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It would take forever to build something like that. And

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it was really well built. It was strong. There are

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places where I pushed on it and it wasn't going anywhere,

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So that's experienced one real quick.

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Speaker 6: Tom.

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Speaker 4: Did it seem like it had been there for a

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while or could you tell that kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall any of the pinebows still

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being green, but it was, it was, it was strong,

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and it was well built. Now granted that environment doesn't

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get an awful lot of rain, but it does get snow.

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Speaker 2: Now, the snow in Utah has.

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Speaker 1: Been diminishing every year for quite a while, but there

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was a little bit of snow, but it was solid.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how old it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a cool find. Yeah, thank you, what you

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can continue? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's number one. The second second thing that

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I thought would be really neat to share was I've

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got so I travel a lot and most of my

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most of my concerts are in rural towns.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I was on my.

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Speaker 1: Way from southern Utah to Winnemucka, Nevada. And to go there,

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you go up to Cedar City, Utah, which is below

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Duck Creek where you're talking about, and you cut through

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a pretty forested area. One of the little communities out

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there is called Pinto.

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Speaker 2: And I've had.

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Speaker 1: People send me bigfoot footprints and the snow there that

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matched ones found in the city of Saint George.

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Speaker 2: Oh, like in town. I thought that was pretty.

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Speaker 4: Where did the Sorry not to take us off track,

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but I'm I do that a lot. Uh where in

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Saint George. I mean I know that a lot of

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people may not I kind of know the area, and

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obviously you know the area where in Saint George were

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these tracks found.

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Speaker 1: So for listeners who don't know, Saint George is in

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the extreme southwest corner of Utah bordering on Arizona, Nevada,

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two hours east of Las Vegas. And it is a

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I don't know what the population is, but it's it's

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a city. It's a small to medium sized see. And

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in Saint George there's a very very famous park called

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Dixie Rock and it's just right above town and it

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has the word Dixie painted on red sandstone.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: It is the park that you'd go to to quickly

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have lunch outside. It gets hundreds, if not thousands of

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visitors a day. It's wind sculpted sandstone. Really cool place.

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So I have Southern Utah Bigfoot Association on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,

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all of that. Not as active as I ought to

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be with it, but we do have it, and every

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now and again people will message us and say, hey,

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you might want to check this out. I saw this,

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found this. A guy messaged me he was on vacation

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from California. He and his family were at this very

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popular Park Dixie Rock, and with all the visitors so

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sand on the ground, you're gonna find just a multitude

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of shoeprints in the sand, just everywhere, everywhere, every square

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inch of ground's gonna be covered in shoeprints. And the

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sand is really good substrate to pick up the fine details.

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You can look it down and read like you know

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the brand of the shoe. It's really good at picking

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up prints, very fine sandstone sand. So this guy messaged

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me and he sent me a picture and he says,

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I was at Dixie Rock kind of behind the there's

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a desert garden up there that has all the local

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plants in an area where you can come see them.

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And there's a they've built a man made creek that

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flows through it that looks very natural, and it borders

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on this desert Tortoise Reserve, which consists of I don't know,

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thousands of acres. I'm pretty sure it goes around the

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city of Saint George, huge, and basically if you go.

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Speaker 2: Off into that, you're you're pretty much out in the

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middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: So this guy on vacation messages me and he says,

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right at Dixie Rock, I found these footprints. And he

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sent me these pictures of these footprints with like super

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splayed out toes like as far as I can make

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my fingers go. And he had his foot in the picture,

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and the guy said, I am I think it was

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like six foot seven. The guy was, and he's like,

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I wear a size thirteen shoe, and in the picture

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his shoe it was dwarfed by these tracks. He measured

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these tracks at seventeen and three quarter inches long, pretty

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dang big. And so if they had been like those shoes,

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you know, those toe shoes, they made his size thirteen

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look like I mean, they they were a good five

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inches longer than his than his footprint. And he's like,

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I'm not a bigfoot guy, but this these are like

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bigfoot tracks.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The problem was I was out of town when I

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got the message, so I couldn't go for like three days.

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By the time I got there, they were gone.

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Speaker 2: There was just shoeprints everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But he sent me really good pictures and was very

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thorough in getting me the dimensions of the tracks and

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about It was the week of Christmas, I think, four

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years ago, and about two weeks later from this little

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town of Pinto to ties back in on the way

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to Nevada. Way out in the woods in southern Utah,

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a guy messaged me and he goes, hey, I found

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these tracks this morning all around my property.

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Speaker 2: Measured them. They're seventeen and three quarter inches long.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't know about the He didn't know about

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the other tracks. But these tracks were the exact same

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size and same toast play. These were in the snow

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in Pinto, Utah. I'm pretty sure it was the same

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animal that covered about thirty miles of the courses of

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the two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that I would imagine that'd be pretty easy for them.

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Speaker 2: I it is.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that in that area and I've been up

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to that park. Is was it there watching people? Was

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it there digging in garbage? Or you know, was it

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over maybe in the tortoise preserve. I mean, that's some nice, slow,

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easy food. It makes you wonder if I don't know

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if they tag the tortoise or and that's a dark thought.

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I like tortoises and turtles, but just makes you wonder,

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what in the world is that guy doing over there?

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't like to make very many assumptions

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with these kind of things. But my thought is, so

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the Desert Tortoise Preserve Reserve, if you were to continue

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and go all the way through it, it would take

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you to Pine Valley Mountain, which is the same huge

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part of the Dixie National Forest, which is our local

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forest and mountain area where Duck Creek is connects you

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to Cedar City and places further north and to other

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mountain ranges in Utah as well, and I would think

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it would probably live in that environment more than the

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desert environment.

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Speaker 2: However, that park has.

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Speaker 1: There's a water treatment facility there, and there's also that

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little creek I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: It flows all through it. So my guess is it

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probably came down there for water.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true, because if it was snowing, that means

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that the tortoise would not be they would not be out,

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they would be in there in their dens. They're staying

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there for quite a long time. So yeah, maybe it

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it's cold they come down a little bit more when

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it's that cold. Utah is one of the states and

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I've said this so many times where you're you can

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even just drive through. You don't even have to drive

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up a mountain to know this. But it goes from

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high desert to the cirt it looks like then the

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surface of Mars, and then you have true forests.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's such a it's such a cool length in Utah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now to tie in heading out to win Amucca.

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Speaker 1: So I've gotten in the habit because I travel so

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much and often through rural areas just to really just

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keep my head on the swivel and just be looking

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everywhere I go, you know. And it is a fact

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that a lot of bigfoot sightings happen as people are

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traveling in their vehicles, so you know, and I'm in

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these areas where it's not uncommon. Like you go through

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the middle of the Great Basin, you go up through

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Panaka and Poach, little old mining and farming towns. Then

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you go up to Elee, Nevada, which I'll be heading

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to tomorrow morning, and then you go beyond that and

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00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:29,960
it's just the Great Basin, literally the loneliest highway in America,

477
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,240
Highway fifty and others that connect to it, and then

478
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,720
all the way up to the eighty and then you

479
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960
go another couple hours to the west and finally get

480
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,720
to Winnemacca. It's about an eight hour drive through some

481
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,440
of the most wide open middle of nowhere that you're

482
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:49,960
ever gonna find. Okay, So I'm making my way along

483
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,160
and when you get to Ely's up in the mountains,

484
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:01,519
and there is a summit that you encounter as you

485
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,599
get very close to Italy. I believe it's called Connor,

486
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,079
Connor's Summit or Connor Peak, something of that name. And

487
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,640
I don't remember off the top of my head with

488
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,799
the elevation is, but I want to say it's like

489
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,400
seventy five hundred feet or something. So coming out of

490
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,960
the Great Basin, it's quite a climb winding road. You

491
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,039
go from that Great Basin open desert sagebrush environment, which,

492
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,039
by the way, I've looked over at times since seen

493
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:32,279
hundreds of elk. So there's definitely food out there. I've

494
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:37,119
done videos. Could one survive in the Great Basin? Yes, absolutely,

495
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:43,759
absolutely they could. There's water, there's food, there's big game,

496
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,599
you know. So anyway, I'm going along and I'm going

497
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,680
up this Connor Summit. This was in the wintertime, quite

498
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,559
a bit of snow. Making my way along and there's

499
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:55,599
nobody out there. You know, you might see a car

500
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,400
go by every hour or so no cell service. EI

501
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,519
there problem, You're in trouble. So I'm cruising along middle

502
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:05,400
of the day and I get to the peak of

503
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,960
Connor's Summit and I look over to my left and

504
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,519
I'm going slow, very curvy section road, probably doing like

505
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:17,200
twenty five and I look over and there's a trackway

506
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,400
going through the snow, and I was like that, that

507
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,240
looks like those footprints are very far apart.

508
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna pull over and check it out.

509
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: And I got out and go over there, and I'm

510
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,759
looking at it, and they were far apart. They were

511
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,799
about four four and a half feet between footsteps, and

512
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,279
they're in the snow, and they were highly degraded, so

513
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:51,279
like they just look like foot shaped holes and so.

514
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,480
And the snow, even though it was kind of like

515
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,920
melted and frosted over again, so it was that hard,

516
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,640
crunchy snow, it was.

517
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Still about a little over knee deep on me.

518
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: So I walk up and I'm filming it and I

519
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,160
step in the first track and dwarf's my foot. But

520
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,119
it could have been that the snow had melted away,

521
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
you know what I mean. There's no definition to it,

522
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
but the distance is what was compelling.

523
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: And I step as.

524
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,279
Speaker 1: Far as I could step and barely make the second track,

525
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,480
and a film and I show this, look, I'm stepping

526
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,400
as far as I can step, barely making the second track.

527
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,119
Speaker 2: There is no track in between.

528
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: It's not like falling snow hasn't fallen in and filled

529
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,119
it in.

530
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: It's simply not there.

531
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,279
Speaker 1: And I follow the next step, the next step, and

532
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,440
I get up into the junipers there and then in

533
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,839
the shade of the junipers, with the sun couldn't get

534
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,640
to the tracks. You get perfect details. You could see

535
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,200
each toe. I mean they were they were perfect, perfect

536
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,720
big foot tracks. And by that point, I'm like, all right, guys,

537
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:01,279
look at this. These are perfect. And they went on

538
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,200
and I followed them for you know, another fifteen twenty feet,

539
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,200
and then I just stopped and picked up my camera

540
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,920
and showed off into the juniper forest and showed how

541
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,319
I'm surrounded by trees. There's no one around for like

542
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,160
an hour or two, and I'm like, I think that's

543
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,799
far enough.

544
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again, why would someone try and hoak something

545
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,960
like that way out in the middle of the nowhere,

546
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,039
Like why what would be the point of that? Just

547
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,720
on the off chance that you would glance over and

548
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:29,400
even see it.

549
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no there's no game cameras around or

550
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,920
anything to not right there at least, Yeah, you know.

551
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: And I looked around to see if there was any

552
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,759
kind of other uh, any kind of other evidence or anything,

553
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:43,400
but there was and it was just this trackway.

554
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:44,839
Speaker 2: But it made sense.

555
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,799
Speaker 1: Also, it was the highest point in that area. And

556
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,599
you know, that's one of the common names that some

557
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,240
of the native people had for him, was like the ridgewalkers,

558
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,599
And that's that's what looked like to be going on here.

559
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:03,640
And again an environment with abundant game, a fair amount

560
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,039
of water, and also an area very very well known

561
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,839
for a trophy mountain lion hunting. People go out there

562
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,720
and hunt huge mountain lions. So if you could sustain

563
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:17,880
a mountain lion.

564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ridgewalkers. They have so many cool different names,

565
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:24,839
don't they.

566
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so years ago without one on a huge tangent.

567
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,720
I I was when I was first starting my music career.

568
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,319
I used to street perform a lot, and I was

569
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:39,519
in Salt Lake City at the time, and I was

570
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,519
outside of a comic con event just playing guitar and

571
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,599
harmonica on the street for tips, and somebody walked up

572
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,160
and they dropped a couple of comic Con tickets in

573
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720
my guitar case, and I thought, yeah, I've been seeing

574
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,039
people in cool costumes go in here all day and

575
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,559
I'm not like a video game, you know, comic.

576
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Book like this is not I'm not into that stuff.

577
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,759
Speaker 1: But I figured it'd be cool to go in and

578
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,079
you know, people watch and see all the cool costumes

579
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:04,680
and stuff.

580
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,079
Speaker 2: And I went in. I'm like, all right, this is cool.

581
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: And I looked over at this booth and there's this big, old,

582
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,279
tall guy with the white beard and white hair standing

583
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,960
there and he just looks bored and he's just standing

584
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,519
there and he's just like and clearly like his booth

585
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,559
is not what these people are into. They want anime,

586
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,359
and I don't know whatever. The guy had the booth

587
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,079
and I look over at it. He's got this banner

588
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,279
and it's got all these words written on it that

589
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,880
to me look like various native languages, but it's clear

590
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,599
he's clearly a white guy. So I go walking over

591
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,200
there and I'm like, I wonder what this booth is.

592
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,400
And I was like super into the bigfoot thing at

593
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,440
the time. But I looked down and the guy's got

594
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,279
a table covered in a Bigfoot track castings, and I

595
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,960
was like, hey, this is really cool and he's like yeah,

596
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,160
Like what are those words? He's like, well, these are

597
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,519
various native names for for bigfoot. And it was doctor

598
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,519
Jeff Meldrum and he was so nice and we just

599
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,319
sat there for like an hour and just like talked bigfoot,

600
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:17,039
and he was just just the most genuine, warm and

601
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,839
answer every question I could think to ask, and let

602
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,799
me pick up the tracks and explain the dermal ridges,

603
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,279
you know, all the things that he always was known

604
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,680
for talking about, and just what an amazing guy. And

605
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,359
he was like, well, do you ever go through Idaho?

606
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:31,720
And I was like yeah, I do a lot. And

607
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,119
he's like, well, I have a really cool lab up there.

608
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,880
You got to come see it sometime. I was like

609
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,880
really wow. He gave me his phone number and one

610
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960
time I went through Idaho and I called him very

611
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,640
short notice and he let me come over and see

612
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,599
his lab and two hours just let me go through there.

613
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,279
And by this point I didn't I had been into bigfoot.

614
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,279
Then he's explaining to me all kinds of cool things

615
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:55,599
and just showing me everything he.

616
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Had and just an amazing guy.

617
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,319
Speaker 1: And I put a I've got some of my band

618
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,559
merch has like really cool like realistic Sasquatch images on it,

619
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,079
and I went and got him a shirt and gave

620
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:07,599
it to him.

621
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 2: And he was just so cool.

622
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: And we met up a few times, had lunch. She

623
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,800
let me interview him and put it on YouTube. Never

624
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,280
asked me for any money or anything like that. Just man,

625
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,840
what a guy. When he died, I cried, I cried.

626
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: I was like, what a what a great man, and

627
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,760
just a good man was he was awesome.

628
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had such a passion for it. And you've

629
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,719
never heard a bad word about Jeff Meldrum, and there's

630
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,119
a reason for that, because he truly was an incredible,

631
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:43,960
just genuine, nice, humble, extremely down to earth human being.

632
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,880
I also had the fortunate incident during and Ohio Bigfoot

633
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,760
conference long before, well not too long before, but before

634
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400
I was even on Sasquatch Chronicles, and he was just

635
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,519
so nice. It's special loss that he's gone.

636
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I was shocked, and you know, I mean he went,

637
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,519
he went very quickly, but yeah, yeah, and you know

638
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,000
the thing was too, he was such an intelligent man.

639
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,119
But he never spoke to you like you weren't right. Yes,

640
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:25,920
I never I never heard him speak to anyone with condescension. Yeah, anyway,

641
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440
I don't want to get too long about it, but no, you're.

642
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,079
Speaker 4: You're right about that. He was an incredible man. We're

643
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,679
lucky to have him on our side, as it were, right,

644
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,199
he was definitely on our side for Bigfoot.

645
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: And just just to pay respect to another who passed away,

646
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Scott Violet. I don't know if you ever knew him,

647
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:52,559
but Scott Violet, another Bigfoot researcher.

648
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: He was with Squatch America.

649
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,039
Speaker 1: Started with Blue I think it was Blue Mountain Bigfoot

650
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:02,000
up in Oregon. And he was awesome. He was a

651
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,719
veteran and a school teacher and his wife is up

652
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,360
in Idaho, I believe right now. And he passed away

653
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:18,519
and was just another great man, just a kind soul,

654
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:25,039
very intelligent. I was in Oregon playing a show in

655
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,159
a little town called Baker City, and I'm driving through

656
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,079
this neighborhood looking for my venue, and I look over

657
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,360
and I see this really cool truck decked out with

658
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,280
all this like exploration like camping gear, and it said

659
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,719
I think I said, Blue Mountain bigfoot on it, and

660
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,320
I was just like, I'm gonna pull over and guna

661
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,159
on their door, like why not, right? And I go

662
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,719
knock on the door and his wife came to the door, Hannah,

663
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,000
and I was like, hey, I don't know you, but

664
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,760
I saw your bigfoot truck and I'm way into bigfoot

665
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,960
and just stopped. I fegared I'd just introduced myself, and

666
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,760
you know, she's like, hold on.

667
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: My husband. He comes running up.

668
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,039
Speaker 1: He's like come on in, and then like we end

669
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,519
up hanging out for like two hours. And they put

670
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,400
on a big foot festival up there and hired me

671
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,360
to come up and play it a.

672
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Few years ago.

673
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: And man, he was a good man too, and passed

674
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,159
away this this year, just I believe a couple months

675
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:18,360
after doctor Jeff Milch.

676
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Good. Kay.

677
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, losing some good ones, that's for sure.

678
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: So found those footprints in Nevada, was able to film

679
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,800
that and document I'm pretty good. That's on our YouTube channel,

680
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,400
Southern Utah Bigfoot Association. Like I said, I played music

681
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,199
full time and I do custom leatherwork, so I bigfoot

682
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,119
is more of a hobby. I'd like to do it

683
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:52,840
a lot more. We've ended up having a small group

684
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,480
of us with similar interest in the southern Utah area

685
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,840
that have kind of found each other and it's like

686
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,440
a loose affiliation of people friends. My friend Casey Denton

687
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,119
has done he did Squatch Chronicles a couple of weeks

688
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,840
ago and gave an interview there and he does a

689
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,800
lot more getting out in the woods than I do.

690
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,679
And he's he's got a lot of good evidence from

691
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:24,559
Southern Utah as well. So to move on with interesting experiences, Uh,

692
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,119
this is the the last one before I get into

693
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:34,239
actually this one, I start seeing things. So a number

694
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,880
of years ago, I was in Washington State, and I

695
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,280
always say, Washington States. We have a city, a little

696
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,559
town here called Washington.

697
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 6: As I get yeah, I was in Washington State and

698
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,480
was up there quite often, and I figured one of

699
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
these times, like I I ought to.

700
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: Do some squatch and I'm in Washington, you know, and

701
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,159
the hotbed of hotbeds. I got to get out and

702
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,719
look for this thing. And so I, you know, pull

703
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,239
up sighting accounts and I'm looking for areas that got

704
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,000
a lot of activity, and I find a little town

705
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,280
called gold Bar, Washington, and it's up in the mountains

706
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:25,840
and it's very, very beautiful, you know, Pacific Northwest forest,

707
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,199
big rivers going through the area.

708
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,079
Speaker 2: Just it's the quintessential Northwest, you know.

709
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:38,599
Speaker 1: And so I was with my then wife and we

710
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,840
went down a logging road and we looked around a

711
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,960
little bit, didn't see anything in particular. Decided to go

712
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,320
a little bit further, and she decided, She's like, I

713
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,000
think I've gone far enough, I'll stay here. And I'm like,

714
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,159
all right, I'm just gonna go a little further and

715
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,199
i'll be back soon. So she's hanging out and joining

716
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,360
the woods and walking on this logging road, and it

717
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,360
didn't seem to get much traffic, you know, there were no.

718
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,119
Speaker 2: Tire tracks or anything like that.

719
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I get going down this logging road and it's surrounded

720
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,440
on both sides by dense forest. As I'm just walking along,

721
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,800
I'm just kind of looking and listening and enjoying the

722
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,840
beauty of the place.

723
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,079
Speaker 2: And a rock comes flying out of the woods.

724
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,199
Speaker 1: Just a you know, like a small rock, not maybe

725
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,320
half the size of a baseball, and it bounces across

726
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,599
the trail in front of me, and I immediately notice it,

727
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,599
and I stop and it's there, and I pick up

728
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,559
the rock, and I'm like, something through that, and I

729
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,880
know at this point that you know, bigfoots are ported

730
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,480
to throw.

731
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,079
Speaker 2: Rocks, and the woods are very dense, and I'm looking.

732
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Around and I'm like, huh, okay, came from this direction

733
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,280
to my right, and I'm looking and you can't see

734
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,519
very far in this kind of woods. Was the middle

735
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:06,000
of the day, but about thirty feet or so, maybe

736
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,840
a little further into the woods, I see a shadow

737
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,119
that is human shaped but bigger, and I'm looking at

738
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,360
it and I'm like, is that a shadow?

739
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,599
Speaker 2: Then? If it's a shadow, what is it being projected on?

740
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, I don't feel like against the trees, it

741
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,800
would make that kind of easily identifiable shadow. Shadows get

742
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,400
broken up on things like that, you know, like the

743
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
bows of an evergreen. You're not gonna make out the

744
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,199
kind of shadow. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, hmm, all,

745
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,760
I guess I'll throw this back. And I could throw

746
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,920
pretty well. And I straight up, like a baseball pitcher,

747
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,960
chuck this rock and it hit.

748
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: Whatever it was square in the sternum, and to my

749
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:04,199
utter horror, this shadow dropped down in a push up

750
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,000
position and looked at me and I couldn't make out

751
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:09,719
the face that good.

752
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 1: I've got really good eyesight, like probably better than twenty twenty.

753
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,239
I can read signs way off in the distance, but

754
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,119
I could not make out the face. There's just too

755
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,079
much going on with it, the trees behind it. But

756
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,159
it's down in this wide arm I've heard people call

757
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,440
it a spider position. It's down in that position with

758
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,440
its legs spread out behind it, its arms way wide.

759
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:38,480
Push up and with two quick motions one two, it

760
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:39,559
covered about.

761
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: Twenty feet and I.

762
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: Turned and ran just I think I actually screamed, and

763
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,760
I it just ran, ran all the way out of

764
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,800
the woods Forrest Gump, like gome on, we gotta go.

765
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 2: And it was it was scary, and.

766
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: As much as I would have loved to stayed and

767
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,679
like filmed it, I was terrified. So that was all

768
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,760
I saw. But I saw something do that, and what

769
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,719
else could it have been?

770
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: Okay, So up to that point, obviously you you quite

771
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,159
believed that Bigfoot could be out there, right. I don't

772
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,039
know if you were at one hundred percent by that

773
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,599
point or if you were like ninety eight point five

774
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,920
or whatever it is. You may not know. But once

775
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,199
that happened. Did that obviously was very scary. Uh, the

776
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,880
way that you said that, the way it moved and everything, Yeah,

777
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,800
that would be horrifying. And by the way, I think

778
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,320
you're the first person I've talked to that actually chucked

779
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,599
the rock back and pegged what through the rock. That

780
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,519
is incredible.

781
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,599
Speaker 1: By the way, I've got a rattlesnake on my wall

782
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,000
that I killed the same way by hitting its head

783
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,400
with a rock. Good Lord, so I can throw pretty good.

784
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,679
And I hit this thing hard.

785
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,079
Speaker 4: Didn't let out of any kind of a noise.

786
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: Didn't make any sound at all.

787
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: You probably completely shocked it. I'll bet that's never happened

788
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840
to that thing ever in its history of rock throwing.

789
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,079
Speaker 1: It definitely had never happened to me. And it, you know,

790
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,480
to be honest, like even if it probably would have

791
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,960
just like moved a little, I might have reacted.

792
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 4: The same way, right right.

793
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,559
Speaker 1: It was just and it didn't do anything particularly menacing,

794
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,480
you know, like it didn't come at me aggressively by

795
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,960
any means. It just immediately dropped and did that movement

796
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,800
two times and was just covered a lot of ground

797
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:46,079
even amongst those trees, like it demonstrated like like I

798
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,239
can't do that, Like I can, you know, Like I

799
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
could do like a burpie and like drop to the

800
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,800
ground and do a push up and throw myself back

801
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,360
to a standing position. But I can't throw my body

802
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,360
sideways from a push up position, you know what I mean,

803
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,400
and cover in two movements like twenty feet. That's crazy

804
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,039
to me. That demonstrates a great deal of strength.

805
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:15,119
Speaker 4: And beyond just being strong and agile obviously and built

806
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,119
for the areas that they live in. Could you see

807
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:22,760
where some people and depending on lighting and how you

808
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,400
process things, just as a human being, can you see

809
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,320
where some people might go? That was paranormal. Nothing, nothing

810
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,599
that has blood running through its veins that we know

811
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,079
of could do something like that.

812
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:45,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot. I first heard

813
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:50,000
about that in reading the accounts of Native Americans. And

814
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:58,519
I have experienced enough things in my life that I

815
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,639
definitely believe in and the spiritual. I believe in that

816
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,239
the world of spirits exist. I believe it's right here

817
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,320
amongst it, amongst us. I've also filmed right here in

818
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,880
my yard, the orbs, the plasmoids. I've got very good

819
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,840
video of those, and I see them a lot. I've

820
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,960
got a lot of videos of them. I don't know

821
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,239
what they are. I don't try to make assumptions. I've

822
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,559
read about what NASA said about them. It's a whole

823
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,800
different thing. I share that just to say I believe

824
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,519
in the spiritual world, and I believe.

825
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,079
Speaker 2: That there are many many things that we don't understand.

826
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:43,119
Speaker 1: And when someone says I saw this and experience this,

827
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,480
I'm not quick to discount someone.

828
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:46,519
Speaker 2: Now.

829
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:50,599
Speaker 1: Granted, there might be details of it that are manipulated

830
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:55,280
by the way we remember things or colored by our beliefs.

831
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:59,320
You know, we might get confirmation bias. But when people

832
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:05,280
see like a bigfoot vanish or a bigfoot accompanied by

833
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,639
an orb of light, that things like this has been

834
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:14,960
caught on camera or cloaking, you know these things have

835
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,519
been caught on camera. And granted, we do now live

836
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,880
in an era where you cannot believe your eyes, especially

837
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,199
with something you're seeing on a screen. I don't know

838
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,199
if you've noticed, but the bigfoot sightings in the last

839
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,039
year have gone up, the ones caught on camera, and

840
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,480
some of them are clearly AI and others You're like, man,

841
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,960
I don't know, I don't know if that's AI or not.

842
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,280
We're never gonna know again, ever, if what we're seeing

843
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,440
is real, and that will probably start to happen in

844
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,840
our day to day life as well as they come

845
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,159
up with new forms of advertising or whatever using AI technology.

846
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,960
That being said, do I personally think Bigfoot is a

847
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,039
flesh and blood and bone being.

848
00:47:59,079 --> 00:47:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

849
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: It leaves tracks, it leaves hair, it leaves scat, it

850
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,079
leaves evidence behind. Do I believe it has a paranormal

851
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:14,079
element to it? It seems like it must by the

852
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,280
stories people are telling and the evidence people are capturing.

853
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,239
It seems like it must.

854
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,039
Speaker 4: How because I always try to place myself, especially when

855
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,280
it's someone's first sighting that they say they've had. I

856
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,719
try to place myself there because I'm always saying, oh,

857
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,719
I want to I want to see one, which I do.

858
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:37,079
And you can't pick and choose how that encounter is

859
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,119
going to go, how you're going to process it, how

860
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:40,840
close you're going to be, if you're going to be

861
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,760
feel like you're kind of safe in a car, or

862
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,960
like you walking down a lovely game trail and it's

863
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,800
just you and the Bigfoot. But the good thing is

864
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,880
that seemed like a pretty benign siding to where it

865
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,840
bugged out, like you hit it with the rock that

866
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,360
it was throwing at you and it bugged out. So

867
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,639
that's good, that's a great sighting. But did you really feel,

868
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,039
like you know, did you go back to your wife

869
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,440
and go, okay, so those are actually truly one hundred

870
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,920
percent real and you know did that or did you go, oh, well,

871
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,679
of course they're out here and I just happened to

872
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,320
finally see one. I mean, how much of a of

873
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,000
a light bulb moment was that for you? I guess?

874
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,599
And as far as your personal belief systems on Bigfoot.

875
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:33,079
Speaker 2: I mean removed all doubt for me, So you did.

876
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: Have some doubt still at that point, I guess, is

877
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,679
what I'm asking.

878
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like.

879
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,679
Speaker 1: Until a person sees something with their own eyes, you

880
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,719
should always have some doubt.

881
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,159
Speaker 2: Now, granted, if you look, I tell everybody, because I.

882
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:51,639
Speaker 1: Get in conversations about Bigfoot all the time, just get

883
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,000
on YouTube and look into the evidence for a couple hours.

884
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: You'll probably be convinced as well. There's a lot of evidence.

885
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,559
People are like, why don't people see it? People see

886
00:49:59,559 --> 00:49:59,960
it all the time.

887
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, people see them all the time, and people are

888
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,599
like the Bigfoot. It's like no, no, no, it's a

889
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,679
species like there is there couldn't be just one, you know.

890
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,760
I love how in Mormonism there's the I don't know

891
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,920
if you're familiar with the story that Bigfoot is Caine.

892
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: I've heard other people bring that up.

893
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: You yeah, and so that would like be there's just

894
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,880
the one right he lives for and it's the spiritual punishment,

895
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,840
you know. And that's not official like old Mormon doctrine,

896
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,239
but it is an old story and that's interesting. But yeah,

897
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,639
I mean, just after you experience something like that, it's

898
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,840
really hard to excuse it. You know, you could you

899
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,760
could come up with a million things like yeah, the

900
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,880
guy in the gilli suit ran using super human physical

901
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,079
he's like you know what I mean, Like, it's hard

902
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,840
to say, wow, that didn't that that was pretty uncanny.

903
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,639
Speaker 2: That was and it happened happened to me.

904
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,199
Speaker 4: Can you guess about how tall it was? I know

905
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,320
it wasn't right in front of your face, so it's

906
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,000
a little tough.

907
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: But I would think that just judging by my best estimate,

908
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:17,320
what I saw was it seemed like it was kind

909
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,119
of like hunched over and like maybe maybe holding on

910
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,039
to some trees when it was first looking at me.

911
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,519
Speaker 2: And I would still say, even not standing completely straight,

912
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,039
maybe seven feet or.

913
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: A little bit higher and broad, like definitely broad, three

914
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,159
and a half four feet at the shoulders.

915
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: It was big.

916
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: I wish I would have got a clearer look. It

917
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,519
was more like, like I said, it appeared to be

918
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:40,079
a shadow.

919
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,159
Speaker 6: Yeah.

920
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: I wonder if the face would be more the human

921
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,079
or Neanderthal type, or if it would be the more

922
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,400
gorilla type face. Right.

923
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I know, I've always wanted to get a real good

924
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,760
look at a face of one. And I love one

925
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,800
of my t shirts has a police sketch out of

926
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,599
Oregon and it's a it's a pretty good drawing, you know,

927
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:04,920
And I just it'd be so cool to see you

928
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,639
one close enough. And I love reading those encounters where

929
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,159
people say like I saw the face and I could

930
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,960
see the intelligence, and it looks so human, and you know,

931
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:18,880
like with that with that aspect. I initially years ago

932
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,960
when I saw those Todd standing photos, I was like,

933
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,039
come on, really, you know, but I've seen some videos

934
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,519
where people have analyzed those, and now I'm like, man,

935
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,320
it might be really you know what I mean like

936
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,480
just the people like measuring the average length of the

937
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,800
the little needles on those type of fir trees and

938
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,159
comparing that to get a size estimate on the head.

939
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,760
I'm like, oh crap, and he is telling the truth.

940
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,559
But those are you know, really good face photos. If

941
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:51,719
that is what they are.

942
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder because we know they're they're they're

943
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,719
pretty intelligent, you know, they're they're smarter than many of

944
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,960
the the things running around in the woods. It makes

945
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,239
you wonder if, after being paid with the rock that

946
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,800
it was thrown at you, if it didn't throw any

947
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,199
rocks for a while, or you know, or if it

948
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,920
if it has the mind to remember that for years

949
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,039
and go, well, I'm gonna throw this. Let's see if

950
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,400
it throws it back.

951
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,079
Speaker 2: You know.

952
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I would imagine they're clearly very intelligent. And

953
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,440
I've been of the opinion that I think all all

954
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:34,280
life is a lot more intelligent than we give it

955
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,400
credit for. Like I've got chickens and they know their names,

956
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,239
you know, Like I can call an individual chicken and

957
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,400
it'll come to me. And we see we see evidence

958
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,840
a lot of a lot of video evidence of animals

959
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,400
doing things so intelligent, and not just animals we know

960
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,000
we're intelligent, like ravens and crows and dolphins, like, there's

961
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,599
a lot of evidence that all animals are a lot

962
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,119
more into elgi and then we think they are. And

963
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,800
if something like that, a bipedal, very human like animal

964
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,400
lives in the woods like, I'd imagine they're quite smart.

965
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,559
Speaker 4: I would love to see though, that that's spider crawl.

966
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,639
The second it went down like that. That was the

967
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,280
term that popped into my head. I would love to

968
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,239
see Wendy that. I would also probably though, run in

969
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440
that situation that you just mentioned, I think that was

970
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,559
the proper thing to do.

971
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:30,159
Speaker 2: It was so fast.

972
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I say it dropped, it was like it

973
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,039
threw its legs back and fell.

974
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: Into that position. M do you know what. Yeah, It's

975
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,280
just it didn't like slowly get down.

976
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: It was just boom there and it was like, you know,

977
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,480
it didn't make a sound again to clarify, to hear

978
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:50,840
it right, I would have it probably have been even scarier,

979
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:57,159
but it just hit the ground and just gone. The

980
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,400
next experience I had personally, I've got too more things

981
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,840
to tell you about, if that's all right. Absolutely, The

982
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,480
next experience I had. Again, these are not in chronological order,

983
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,079
but they're just in an order of interestingness, I guess

984
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,920
I would say the next one I had is I

985
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,920
used to I used to play a lot of the

986
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,400
ski resorts in Utah, and I was scheduled to perform

987
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:29,360
at one in the mountains above Ogden, Utah. So I

988
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,159
was making my way up and it was wintertime again.

989
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,159
It was very snowy, and there is a place on

990
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,519
this road where you get a really good look at

991
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,440
the Weber River that flows down out of the mountains

992
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,039
towards Ogden. And I had passed this location in other

993
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:52,840
seasons and noticed that it was a very popular fishing

994
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,480
spot in good weather in the spring and summer.

995
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: There's always just a line of fly fishermen there.

996
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,119
Speaker 1: So there's fish there, and it's a bend in the

997
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,480
river that can be seen clearly from the highway. So

998
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,840
it's now wintertime and I'm making my way to the

999
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,800
ski resort and it's snowing pretty hard. Very few people

1000
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,039
on the road, and as I come up on that

1001
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,960
point of the Weaver River, there's no one fishing.

1002
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: It's just the middle of winter, you.

1003
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,199
Speaker 1: Know, and it's snowing hard, and I look and I

1004
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,920
see perfectly clearly this bend in the river and there

1005
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:39,320
is a man standing in the river and he's standing

1006
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,039
with his legs spread out to brace him against the current.

1007
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,119
Speaker 2: And I'll stand up. I'll show you he was kind

1008
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:49,239
of yeah.

1009
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: So he's standing in the river like this and he's

1010
00:56:52,639 --> 00:57:02,960
looking in the water like that he was. He was

1011
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:11,840
really big, shaggy in appearance. Again, I'm driving and it's snowing,

1012
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,679
and he's far enough away that I couldn't get all

1013
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,800
the detail I would like to have got again, couldn't

1014
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,280
make out any face, but it's just a man shape

1015
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,639
and it's shaggy, and it's in the river and it's

1016
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,840
freezing cold out and it's a fishing spot. And it

1017
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,119
looked to me like it was looking in the river

1018
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,559
thinking like, man, maybe I can catch a fish on

1019
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,639
my hands, you know, like that's how I would be

1020
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:39,039
standing if I was trying to catch a fish on

1021
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,440
my hands, which probably couldn't do. But this thing was

1022
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,920
doing that, and I see it, and I immediate him

1023
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,079
like that's that's abnormal. As soon as I get over this,

1024
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,079
this like I think it was a bridge or some

1025
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:56,880
kind of like small, you know, go over this little

1026
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,199
part of the river. Yeah, yeah, it was a bridge.

1027
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,280
I was gonna pull off and try to get a

1028
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,199
better look. And it only takes like five ten seconds

1029
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:11,719
to get over this bridge, and I pull off, and

1030
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,079
the snow super deep. I open the van door and

1031
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:16,840
I hop out in the snow and it was like

1032
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,960
again like up to my knees, good, good, deep snow.

1033
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,760
And I'm thinking, if I run to the edge of this,

1034
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,639
I can look down at the river and maybe get

1035
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:27,000
a good look at this thing. And so I'm running

1036
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,280
through the snow and I get down to where I

1037
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,039
could see the rivers way down below me, like, oh,

1038
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:37,519
not way down. It's probably like forty fifty feet below me,

1039
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,599
down a steep embankment to the river. But it's super snowy,

1040
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,719
and I'm looking down there and I could see the

1041
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:48,840
spot I had just seen, and whatever had been in

1042
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,679
the river is not there anymore. But on the opposite

1043
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,639
side there was a mountain about this steep and I

1044
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:57,360
could see the.

1045
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,719
Speaker 2: Footprints going up the mountain.

1046
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: So what ever it was, I was in where you

1047
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,719
would have parked if you were there fishing. There was

1048
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,159
no other cars there, and The only other thing if

1049
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:11,280
it was a fisherman would have been that he would

1050
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,519
have walked down the river with his waiters on.

1051
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,039
Speaker 2: This did not have the shape of a man in waiters.

1052
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:19,480
It was all one uniform color appeared to be black.

1053
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: There was no identifying like, there was no backpack, there

1054
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:27,400
was no fishing pole for sure, just a big man

1055
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,559
shape looking down standing and kind of just swaying looking

1056
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:34,239
in the river like looking for fish.

1057
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: And the tracks going up the river.

1058
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,039
Speaker 1: Now, there would have been no way for me to

1059
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,199
go get a better look at those tracks unless I

1060
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:43,440
were to jump in that river and walk across, which

1061
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:45,800
I wasn't about to do. So I just got back

1062
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,960
in the car and continue up the ski resort and

1063
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:48,599
played my show.

1064
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: But I got about as good.

1065
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: Of a look at it as you could get without

1066
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,039
being able to make out the face and the fine details.

1067
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: So how you said it's mostly a black creature? How

1068
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,280
if it was in shadows and things set back in

1069
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,840
some aspen trees or you know whatever, Gina, the trees

1070
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,280
that we have in Utah, But how how well would

1071
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,920
you be able to see a creature like that? Do

1072
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,800
you think it if it was amongst shadows? Or if

1073
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,800
it was dark.

1074
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,119
Speaker 1: I'd be really hard to see with the with the

1075
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:29,920
darkness of the actual creature itself and just the hair

1076
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,360
to break up the you know what I mean.

1077
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't give it sharp lines, you know, like it, But.

1078
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,599
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a pretty good look at it.

1079
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,119
Just again, I wish I had seen the face.

1080
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: Like.

1081
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,079
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things where I'm like,

1082
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:47,159
it couldn't have been anything else. But I when people

1083
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:49,079
say have you seen a bigfoot? I always say I

1084
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,199
have seen two things that I'm pretty sure we're bigfoot. Yeah,

1085
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:57,760
that's how I explain it. I cannot say on bigfoot. Uh,

1086
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,960
it was either somebody trying to look like Bigfoot standing

1087
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,159
in a freezing cold river in the middle of a blizzard,

1088
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,639
or it was bigfoot.

1089
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 4: And again, why in the world would someone want to

1090
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,599
do that? But hey, not not impossible. So that's why

1091
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,760
I appreciate the fact that you say, I can't say

1092
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,840
one hundred percent pigfoot. I didn't see the face. I wasn't.

1093
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,039
I don't feel like I was close enough. I didn't

1094
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:19,920
go over and shake its hand. So I do appreciate

1095
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,360
that you say that, But yeah, you kind of go well,

1096
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,159
what what in the world else would that be and

1097
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:26,960
why would they be standing in the middle of a

1098
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,360
freezing cold river and then boogey up the wrong side

1099
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,519
where it's just forest. On the other side.

1100
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Steep, very steep mountain.

1101
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,079
Speaker 4: Hmm.

1102
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,519
Speaker 2: So the final thing I've got to tell you is

1103
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:50,320
kind of an ongoing situation, I guess you could say.

1104
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know how it's going to resolve, and

1105
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,039
I don't know much more to do about it. But

1106
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:05,880
I have on my phone probably one of the best

1107
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:11,360
bigfoot videos it's ever been recorded, and like five people

1108
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:20,920
have seen it, and I have been told implicitly, well,

1109
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,920
I'll tell you how I got it. So here in

1110
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:29,360
southern Utah I do. I do custom leatherwork, and a

1111
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,440
barber contacted me. He says, hey, can you re upholster

1112
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:35,320
a vintage barber chair? And I was like, I've never

1113
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,960
done it, but I bet I can.

1114
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: Why not?

1115
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: So I go over there and I'm looking at the

1116
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,320
chair and the guy's showing me and he goes, hey,

1117
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,280
you're kind of like a bigfoot guy, aren't you. And

1118
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,400
I was like, oh yeah, I'm way into that stuff.

1119
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:53,079
And he goes A guy came in here and told

1120
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:58,159
me that his friend saw a bigfoot and got it

1121
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:01,079
on camera and got the video.

1122
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Do you want to see it?

1123
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, yeah, I want to see it.

1124
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,880
And he goes, it's really good. It's a really good video.

1125
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,000
And I'm like, tell me, what do you know about it?

1126
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,599
He goes, all I know about it is the guy

1127
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,159
that came in for a haircut, got it from his friend,

1128
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:22,000
who is the person that filmed it, and the man

1129
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,360
that filmed it.

1130
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: So right down the road.

1131
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: From here is Gunlock Reservoir. And at Gunlock Reservoir you

1132
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:42,000
have the Shivwitz Band of Payute, their nation, their reservation there,

1133
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,880
and it's small for a reservation, but it's beautiful country.

1134
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,280
And it's right outside of Saint George and it's much

1135
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,639
more wooded than Saint George. And it has water, has

1136
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:55,559
a river running through a creek, a good creek running

1137
01:03:55,559 --> 01:04:01,159
through it that flows year round, I believe, And Gunlock Reservoir.

1138
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:09,519
So this man was hiking just outside the reservation, further

1139
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,880
towards Nevada. And so you're coming down out of the mountains,

1140
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,800
it's getting more desert, but up in the mountains there's

1141
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,679
sagebrush and you go a little bit higher and there's

1142
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:26,800
there's forest and this man in the video, he's payute.

1143
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:31,639
He doesn't show himself. He's hiking up a trail. There's

1144
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:33,920
no one else in the video. He's got his dog.

1145
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,639
And what I was told was the dog had a

1146
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,960
tracking collar on it that made a subsonic pinging sound.

1147
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:45,800
And I don't know if it was a hunting dog

1148
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,159
or just a dog that had that kind of collar

1149
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:50,199
where he could let it roam off and find it,

1150
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,760
but it had this special collar that made a subsonic

1151
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,079
pinging sound that humans cannot hear.

1152
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: No human can hear it. It's a key point of story.

1153
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,719
Speaker 1: The man is walking along and he goes, oh God,

1154
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,960
look and he pulls his camera up and on top

1155
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,079
of a mountain ridge. There's no trees on this particular mountain,

1156
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:16,960
it's not high enough. You can see the shape of

1157
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,880
a bigfoot walking on the ridge. And the guy goes,

1158
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:24,559
that's a bigfoot and he zooms in and gets a

1159
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,559
perfect look at it. Now again it's far enough away

1160
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,920
you can't see the face. But what you see in

1161
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:40,000
this video is very clear silhouette with all the classic

1162
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,400
bigfoot posture, smart like hardly any neck headway out in

1163
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,480
front of the shoulders, a posture that just like in

1164
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,599
the Paddy video, you can't make that posture, like you

1165
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:52,880
know what I mean, Like you know, as much as

1166
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,400
I'm trying to hunch my back, it's not The head

1167
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,159
isn't that far forward on a human being like it

1168
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:01,880
is on the Paddy video, or like it is in

1169
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,199
this video that I've got on my phone. And you

1170
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:07,320
could see the arms and the length of them, and

1171
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,480
they come down about the knees. You can see the fingers,

1172
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,360
the shape of the hand, you can see the draping

1173
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,840
of the hair on the body. And the thing is

1174
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:23,039
walking at a relatively brisk rate, and twice it raises

1175
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,599
its hands to its ears and does this, and then

1176
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:30,400
it keeps walking faster and raises its hands again. And

1177
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,239
when it throws its arms down, you can just tell

1178
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,440
the mass, you know it just like it's frustrated. It

1179
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,239
throws its arms down and you see the hair swing

1180
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:46,440
and everything, and it is a damn good video, do you.

1181
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:49,679
Speaker 4: I mean you probably wouldn't unless you're able to talk

1182
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:52,119
to the man that actually filmed this. But do you

1183
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:54,679
know why he was filming in the first place.

1184
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: Because he saw it.

1185
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:00,679
Speaker 4: Okay, he saw it, and then he hits record with

1186
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,519
his phone. I'm assuming his cell.

1187
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: Phone, he says.

1188
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,039
Speaker 1: In the video, he goes, I was just filming some

1189
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:11,440
deer up there, and they're not nearly that big. That's

1190
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,480
a bigfoot. That's a big foot, and it's a good

1191
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:19,960
The video is like five six seconds long, and he

1192
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:21,079
zooms in on it.

1193
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

1194
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he filmed it on a cell phone,

1195
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:27,800
but it's it's clear. It's really good quality. And when

1196
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,519
you zoom in on what he zoomed in on, like,

1197
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:35,280
you get a good look at it. So the guy,

1198
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:37,800
the barber, he shows it to me and I'm like,

1199
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:38,840
my god, that.

1200
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: Is a good video. And it was filmed right here.

1201
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,639
Do you know when it was filmed?

1202
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: He says about a month ago, just a month ago,

1203
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,880
and he's like yeah, like and this was spring of

1204
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:49,559
last year.

1205
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, that is this

1206
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,639
is a good bigfoot video, goes, isn't it? Like? This

1207
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:57,960
is this is real? I think.

1208
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think so too. I said, who filmed it?

1209
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,159
And he goes, I don't know, but all I know

1210
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:09,239
is that to them, it's a bad omen. And he doesn't.

1211
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,400
He didn't want it to be put on the internet

1212
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,960
and he didn't want people to see it. But whoever

1213
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:23,680
this man was sent it to his friend who told

1214
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,039
the barber and sent it to the barber, and the

1215
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:28,319
barber sent it to me and I have it on

1216
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,439
my phone and the guy said, please don't post it

1217
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,840
on the internet. I don't want him to find out.

1218
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,520
I gave it to you, and I've stayed true to

1219
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,680
my word. I told him I wouldn't post it, and

1220
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,439
I've held onto it for a year and he said,

1221
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,000
you can show it to people, but don't share it.

1222
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,319
Speaker 2: So I've showed it to a handful of people. Check

1223
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:45,560
it out.

1224
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: You want to see a big foot video? Wow, Everyone's like,

1225
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,279
oh my god, that looks real. Yeah, it's right out here,

1226
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,239
not far from Saint George. And my wife and I

1227
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,880
went up on that mountain and looked all around and

1228
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,239
we didn't find anything. We did find a hermit was

1229
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,880
living on the mountain and we asked him have you

1230
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,600
ever see any bigfoot out here? And he just laughed, No,

1231
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,880
there's no such thing. I'm like, really, look at this.

1232
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,520
He goes, that's a man, Like, that's.

1233
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,039
Speaker 2: Just a man. I'm like, that's not a man.

1234
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,399
Speaker 1: If you ever find anything, I'll come back out here

1235
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,640
and find you in a couple of months. Tell me

1236
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,279
if you ever see anythings, like, I'm not going to

1237
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:25,399
see anything, but whatever, You're crazy. And it's been eating

1238
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,119
me up having that video because I feel like I

1239
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:31,000
want like Thinker Thunker and better minds than mind to

1240
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,479
analyze it. And so I contacted the barber like a

1241
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,119
week ago, and he's like, I don't know who shot

1242
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:40,439
the video. I'm like, man, I gotta talk to him.

1243
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,079
I gotta get his consent to share it. This is

1244
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,399
this is a good video. People need to see it.

1245
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,920
It needs to be analyzed. I believe it's real. You

1246
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,720
believe it's real. Everyone I've showed to it showed it too,

1247
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,880
is like, oh my god, that is real. We need

1248
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,600
to find out who it is. And he's like, well,

1249
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,960
I'll talk to the guy who shared it with me.

1250
01:10:01,039 --> 01:10:02,920
But the guy was clear when he shared it. I'm like,

1251
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,279
you know, and he shared it with his friend.

1252
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:05,119
Speaker 2: It brought him.

1253
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: I kind of just want to post it, you know,

1254
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,399
but I'm like, I said I wouldn't, so I need

1255
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:14,520
to get the guy's consent.

1256
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get where he's coming from, uh, with his beliefs,

1257
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,800
and I understand where you're coming from. You know, there's

1258
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,800
there's two sides to that. But you can tell that

1259
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,560
he he wants to share it. I guess up to

1260
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,119
a certain point. It's obviously eating him up. He shared

1261
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,199
it with his friend, who then shared it with the barber.

1262
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,319
But oh my goodness, yeah, that would be uh, that

1263
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,680
would be very cool to see.

1264
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: If I wouldn't have given my word that I wasn't

1265
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,800
going to post it, I would have posted it. It's

1266
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,760
and I'm hoping to get to the bottom of it

1267
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,479
and and find whoever shot it and be like, come on.

1268
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah needs to see that.

1269
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:00,399
Speaker 4: And you know, if he's not really up on what's

1270
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,880
going on in the bigfoot world and he doesn't know

1271
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,960
people like Thinker Thunker, maybe you could show him a

1272
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,319
few videos and say, listen, these people take this very seriously,

1273
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,439
you know, and if they could analyze it, then maybe

1274
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,439
we could help to suay some more people that we're

1275
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,520
not all cuckoo talking about this stuff.

1276
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: But and nobody, and you don't have to be you know,

1277
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,039
attached to it if you don't want to be right,

1278
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:28,399
I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of anybody like laughing,

1279
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,359
you know what I mean, Like, I don't care if

1280
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:31,880
you don't believe in it. You don't believe in a

1281
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:39,640
big deal. It's trying to find one of the screenshots.

1282
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,560
So I took a couple of screenshots from the video

1283
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,800
and I haven't shared those either.

1284
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,119
Speaker 2: Sorry. I'm scanning through a bunch of pictures trying to

1285
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:53,319
find it. I thought it would be in the screenshot folder,

1286
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:54,199
but it's not there.

1287
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: Anyway, the video needs to be analyzed, Haley, really good.

1288
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you could track them down and just have

1289
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:07,920
a little sit down talk with them and say, well,

1290
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:12,359
this is going to be taken very seriously. Well, Tom,

1291
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,159
I truly appreciate you coming on to share all of this.

1292
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,880
Will you please let everyone know where to find Southern

1293
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,000
Utah Bigfoot Association and of course any of your music

1294
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,319
stuff that you're doing and your leather works too if

1295
01:12:23,319 --> 01:12:23,960
you want.

1296
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: Sure, Thank you so.

1297
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: Southern Utah Bigfoot Association can be found on Facebook, Instagram,

1298
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,359
and YouTube. Again, not as active as I ought to

1299
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:38,640
be with it, but there is some stuff up there

1300
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,920
and videos of the tracks I found in Nevada and

1301
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,479
things like that.

1302
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:46,520
Speaker 2: And then my.

1303
01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: Music people can just search Tom Bennett one man band,

1304
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:57,159
and I tour all over Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming,

1305
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,159
and I'm kind of like the the.

1306
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: Country singer of Zion National Park.

1307
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: I play there every week. And then my leather work

1308
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,239
is you might have to edit this is outlaws shit

1309
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,279
leather works and mostly just have an Instagram page for that,

1310
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,640
but I do all kinds of custom items, some of

1311
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,079
it Bigfoot related, and make things that I sell at

1312
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:27,520
my show like flask wallets and coozies and just things

1313
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:28,039
like that.

1314
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: Well, dang, it's trying to find it.

1315
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:34,239
Speaker 4: I will not be editing that out. Actually I'm going

1316
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:36,800
to lead that in no problem. That way people can

1317
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,239
go and check that out. Yeah, well, Tom, thank you

1318
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:43,800
so much, And not that you need to do this,

1319
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,239
of course, but I'm a little fascinated, especially the mention

1320
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:49,319
of this video. If you can keep me informed on

1321
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:51,319
that one. Not that I'm asking to see it or anything,

1322
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:53,640
but that's a kind of a big deal. You know,

1323
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,239
when we get a good piece of video evidence, it's

1324
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,640
it's few and far between, so good luck with that.

1325
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking, uh, scroll and see if I can find

1326
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,119
the screenshot real quick, because I would feel comfortable at

1327
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:12,239
least showing you that, and I'd like, like I said,

1328
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:16,680
I am, I am intending on finding this guy, and

1329
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,399
I hope to be able to convince him that he

1330
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,279
can remain anonymous, that people should be able to see

1331
01:14:22,279 --> 01:14:22,760
the video.

1332
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 4: You sure he wouldn't mind his showing the screenshot even.

1333
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:34,079
Speaker 2: Mmm, I don't know, I agreed not to show the video.

1334
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:35,319
Speaker 4: That's true.

1335
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,239
Speaker 2: That sounds.

1336
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:45,239
Speaker 4: It's a lot like, yeah, we've found a loophole, Tom.

1337
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm not seeing it right now, but maybe

1338
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:48,960
I'll be able to find it later.

1339
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:54,039
Speaker 2: But okay, anyway, so yeah, those are my best stories.

1340
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: We do find a lot of evidence around here. A

1341
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,079
lot of people wouldn't think that the certain environment would

1342
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,760
be a good habitat or something like that, but we

1343
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,399
have evidence that at least passes through. I've had times

1344
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:13,600
where people have contacted us and said, oh, I was

1345
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,880
driving down near Zion and it was a rainy night,

1346
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:19,720
very rare that we get those, and something ran across

1347
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,520
the road. There was another vehicle that pulled over when

1348
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,880
we did. And then sure enough, within a day or

1349
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,680
two I heard from the other vehicle we saw a Bigfoot,

1350
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,920
there was another vehicle pulled over. I'm like, I kind

1351
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:36,760
of cooperates that account. There's a canyon kind of near

1352
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,800
Cedar City where we've had numerous people say that they've

1353
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,079
seen it and that it has come very close to

1354
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:49,920
some houses. You get up in the mountains, not quite

1355
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,720
near Duck Creek, but in that area there's a lot

1356
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,399
of structures. Casey, one of the other guys with a

1357
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,720
Southern Utah Bigfoot, has got a lot of video of

1358
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:05,239
structures up there, and we've gone up once or twice

1359
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:09,960
and seen twisted trees, and he's got one of his

1360
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,680
favorite things he shows everyone is he's got a nail.

1361
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:17,880
It's a really big nail and it's really it's like thick,

1362
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:21,199
you know, and something has twisted it and he found

1363
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:23,399
it on the ground near some Bigfoot structures.

1364
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: So there's evidence that there's things even around here.

1365
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 4: Well, I look forward to, you know, keeping in touch

1366
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,479
with you, especially since you're essentially my neighbor in one

1367
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,039
of my favorite states in the United States. I love

1368
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,600
Utah so much, so I hope that you'll come back

1369
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,239
on and share any updates and any other sidings you

1370
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:43,680
might have.

1371
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was fun. I enjoyed it, and I'm

1372
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,359
going to listen to some of your other episodes. Thanks

1373
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:51,039
for having me on.

1374
01:16:51,119 --> 01:16:53,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for reaching out, Tom, I appreciate it.

1375
01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 7: Well, so I was giving my business. I've such college,

1376
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,920
I've done these things in my profession. I produce a

1377
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,840
little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not that's

1378
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,159
someone story, that's all gone, that's all passed. And I

1379
01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:15,279
want to see that really you who are now?

1380
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,039
Speaker 2: But nobody knows who their names.

1381
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 8: Because we don't know ourselves except to listening to our egos.

1382
01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 7: And consulting our me members.

1383
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,520
Speaker 3: But then that's a really And then again needs expect

1384
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,159
this question, well are you?

1385
01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:37,159
Speaker 1: That is the meaning.

1386
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,119
Speaker 7: We shall see how they play with this success by

1387
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:43,720
the Cots to get you.

1388
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: To come out of your show and find out, I'm

1389
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:47,920
going to.

1390
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: Be really hard.

1391
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 5: Speak steps, it's it's it's speak spots, it's it's it's.

1392
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: Aspect.

1393
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 7: People, for example, are quite divided on us.

1394
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 3: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

1395
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:51,800
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different

1396
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:53,680
living somewhere else.

1397
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 7: They will say, reincarnation means this that if you're sitting here.

1398
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: Now I've really convinced that you're the.

1399
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,279
Speaker 8: Same person thought at the.

1400
01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:08,319
Speaker 2: Door half an hour ago. You'll be wacoming if you're

1401
01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:10,239
liberating your wells now that you're gone.

1402
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,399
Speaker 3: The past doesn't existence, the future doesn't existence.

1403
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,159
Speaker 2: There is only the present.

1404
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 8: That's the only aweenim the in the send Master, don't

1405
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:23,840
get away in display.

1406
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 3: In the same pection, the string does.

1407
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,039
Speaker 2: Not become the sums, because there is sam.

1408
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 8: Sens, and then there is spree.

1409
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 5: It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

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Speaker 8: Its TS has the same idea four more days, where

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he says, when you settle down in the train, you

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can read your newspaper.

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Speaker 7: And so you're not the same person.

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Speaker 2: While I go and live on the platform.

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Speaker 3: If you think you are, you are linking your moments

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up in the check. And this is what binds to

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the wheel.

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Speaker 2: When you know that every moment of which you are

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is the only moment.

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Speaker 7: This counts intos and the Master will say to somebody,

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I can't have a forega.

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Speaker 1: Past the rock.

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Speaker 2: And he comes back and he says, where are your footman?

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They've gone a book?

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Speaker 8: So where are you? Who are you?

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Speaker 2: When we are asked who we are.

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Speaker 7: We usually give a kind of recitation of an instrumsenssience, insence,