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Speaker 1: Made a decision a face sunny sun on I had

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visione n So, what's up everybody. We have a very

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special guest in studio today. Step you want to introduce

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your brother, Well you just did it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. My brother is here wearing a T shirt that

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I bought him that says World's most Okayist brother. That's

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the world's okayist brother. That says my brother, Michael Wilder.

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Speaker 1: Hello, haw, it is Cherry Today.

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Speaker 3: Very excited, longtime listener, first time arriving.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So I we had a we had a guest fallout,

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yest minute. But I've been wanting my brother to come

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on the podcast for years. I think I thought of like,

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get his side of the story. Yeah, totally, of all

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the stories that I've told about you get your side, defend.

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Speaker 3: Your defend myself. It's time I brought receipts.

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Speaker 2: But he's working. He's a big work He's a big

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working man. What do you do?

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Speaker 3: Like, I work in reality TV. I'm an executive producer

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of reality television.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is a reality TV?

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Speaker 3: It's TV that they don't have to pay for writers.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah he went there. Yeah, he works on

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tell like tell her your your specialty.

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Speaker 3: My specialty is big families nice. So I did outdoughtered.

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I don't know if you know outdoors, but it's a

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family with quintuplet girls.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is outdaughter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's not about daughters who are coming out of

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the closet, which would have been a good title too,

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and it's I was on that for like five seasons

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running that, and then the network was like, you've done

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six kids, let's do because they have an older sister,

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let's have you do a show with fourteen kids. So

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I was doing doubling down with the Doricos, which is

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they have twins and triplets and quintuplets and more twins

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and oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do they believing birth control?

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Speaker 3: No, they love them babies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are they trying to have more always?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow yes.

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Speaker 2: But it's not like a Dougger's situation. It's not like

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religious based.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not religious based.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they just love having them based.

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Speaker 3: They just the dad loves to have. They're all the

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kids are named with the letter D because his name's Dion.

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So all the kids are Dacian and Derek, Derek and

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Dawson and Denico and yeah, wow, Yeah, Denico di Rico,

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Denico di Rico.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least it's better than George Foreman, who named

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all of his kids George True.

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Speaker 1: And it's so funny because my ex would make fun

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of people that always had the same He was telling

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Jimmy Kimmel, you know those families that always have to

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have the same letter to correspond, you know, to match

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or whatever. And Jimmy's like, yeah, you mean like my

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parents Joan and jim and me, Jimmy, Jonathan and Jill

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like us talking about us. And I was like, oh, yeah, exactly.

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But yeah, I've always been jealous of these families that

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have so many siblings. I always thought that might be fun.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's chaotic though, it's okay, yeah, but it

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also puts my parenting to shame at times because I

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remember what I when I was working on outdoughdered and

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they had five like one and a half year olds,

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and I'd watch bedtime and they'd all go sleep, and

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then I think about how my one kid would stall

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for hours on end, and I was like, well, why

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can they do five and I can't do one?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And the dad was like, because we have no choice,

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which I get, but at the same time, I just

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think it'd be yes, hillacious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound hard. How old are they now, like,

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or how old were they when they were? What were

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their age ranges for.

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Speaker 3: The Daurricos or for the for the out daughter. So

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they're they're now, God, they're one year younger than my daughter.

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So they're now eight. Oh yeah, so but they we

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a half.

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Speaker 1: And what do you do on the shows? Like, so

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you're there with the families.

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Speaker 3: So I'm there with the families, and then I go

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back to post and run posts. So I go, I

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go back and forth basically figure out storylines that we're

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going to tell and then film that stuff and then

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the back end kind of makes sense of all the

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crap we shoot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds fun. It is, it's it's it's a lot.

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it's a lot of figuring stuff out because like it's

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just average people, right right, right, you know, so we

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kind of have to help make stuff happens.

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Speaker 2: Now, after you finished the last season of The Daurricos,

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you did another job in the meantime, but it's not

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airing yet, right.

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Speaker 3: It's not airing yet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's nice.

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Speaker 1: Don't look alike by the way, little but not really.

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Speaker 2: We have a different dad.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard about the mom, heard about your mom.

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Don't worry, she'll never lest your study. Yes, she's in.

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Speaker 3: The car though, because we're going to bring her in

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in a second.

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Speaker 1: I said, great, Yeah, Stephanie next week Stephanie's mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. So, uh, tell us about that show.

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Speaker 3: I did a little person wrestling show.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, like a little person there's two big components to that.

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It's like you could just I did a little person

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show or I did a wrestling show, but it's like

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I did a little person wrestling show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, little person wrestling, little people wrestling show.

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Speaker 2: But you loved it, right, Oh?

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Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah. They were like fantastic characters. They

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were really cool. It was like they were athletes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they were already doing wrestling and then somebody decides

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to do a show.

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Speaker 3: Yes about Yes, so they're already established and they go

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around the country put it on matches.

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Speaker 1: Wow, girls and guys.

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Speaker 3: Girls and guys. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Now is it girls against girls and guys against guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes. There used to be like a couple match, like

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the boyfriend and girlfriend would go against each other, but

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now it's girls versus girls, guys versut.

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Speaker 1: Guys, and are some of them married to each other?

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Speaker 2: And all that.

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Speaker 3: The one couple is they're I think they're not married,

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but they're eventually gonna get married. They have a kid together,

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and then that's nice. Yeah, there's no more relationships, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's and is there a kid a little person?

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Speaker 1: Interesting?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's puttering around, she's you know, she's getting tall. Wow, yeah,

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like taller than them pretty much. Yeah, I mean it's

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crazy yeah yeah, but watching them, like like athletically, they're

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doing stuff. So I went in the ring because the trainer,

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who's average sized, he was always trying to get us

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to go in the ring to show us because we'd

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be like, hey, why don't you do this again? And

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he's like, you know that hurts him, Like we know,

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but we're trying to film the show. So he's like,

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why don't you guys get in the ring? And I

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was like everyone was like no. And then on the

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last day I was climbing around inside the ring when

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no one was around, and he came in and he's like,

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can I can I give you one bump, which is

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to knock you down on your you know, on your back.

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And I was like, okay, why not? So he did it.

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I have the video, but he did it in slow motion.

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You can see my soul leaving my body as I

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hit the mat and then I got up and I

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was like, He's like, wasn't that was that bad? I

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was like, Oh, it wasn't that bad. The next day

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I thought, goes in a car wreck?

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Speaker 1: Really, Oh God, that's kind of brutal. Yes, well, you

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got to figure out how to land so you don't

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hurt yourself.

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Speaker 3: He told me to breathe out, but then he didn't

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tell me to make sure that my neck didn't flop

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against the only gave me a little bit of advice, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So wow.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was doing parental discretion and I

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had to I got in the octagon or what like.

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It was an ultimate fighting kind of thing and they

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had somebody who was gonna and I had to get

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in the ring and like put a Mouthguarden and it

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was no joke. It was terrible. And then she pinned

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me on the floor and had me in a choke hold,

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and I was thought I was going to die for

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a second. I was like, well, when she doesn't know

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that I can't I literally couldn't breathe. And I was like,

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I can't breathe and then she let me go.

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Speaker 3: But serious, if you say you can't breathe, you can breathe. Though.

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That's why I saw my kids. When I'm tickling them,

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they say you can't breathe, It's like, you can breathe,

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so right, that's true, right, so you turn blue. I'm

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not going to stop right right.

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Speaker 2: So you you have a thirteen year old and a

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nine year old and their names no, I'm just kidding,

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Emerson and Beckett, yes, and the cutest names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we sort of just I don't know how we

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came up with them. We just to keyt on them.

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Beckett was I always wanted to do Beckett and then

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convince my wife into that, and then at a certain

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point she started changing her mind. But then when she

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started calling her talking to her belly and saying Beckett,

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I was like, great, We're set there, and then Emerson

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we couldn't agree on because I wanted Ava. And then

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what are we naming this baby? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I liked Emerson. I like Emerson's defensive Roquel. I was

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she I think she had pitched me the name, and

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I was like, oh, that's really cute. And I think

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she's like, Michael doesn't like it, and I was like,

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he'll come around.

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Speaker 3: I liked it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Michael is like one of my favorite

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male names, and Raquel is my ultimate favorite female name.

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I love that name, Raquel. I wanted to name Natalia Raquel,

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but I got.

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Speaker 2: And they called it. They call her Rocky, I think cute,

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or her mom calls her rick.

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Speaker 3: Yes for some reason, Ricky rick Rick. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So my brother and I raised together, Yes, because he

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my mom had him. But I was already seven. So

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what's the age difference?

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Speaker 2: Seven years?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Got it?

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Speaker 3: Seven years and five days?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that day is on July fifthies July tenth, oh, okay,

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days make a difference.

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Speaker 1: The other siblings, though you guys don't talk to.

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Speaker 3: We have one young Well, you have a lot of

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other siblings, but I have one younger sibling. Where we

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have one younger sibling. That's she's two and a half

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years younger than me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we don't speak to her because when So

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when I stopped having a relationship with my mother and stepfather,

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my brother had already not had a relationship with them

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for like a year, and it so it's almost like

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we all got a divorce and then like my sister

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got them in the divorce, right, yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Got custody or icy. Yeah, she just sort of globed

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sided because there was no siding. I didn't just once

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it happened, I just never spoke to her again.

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Speaker 1: So Icee and you Stephanie just already didn't wasn't didn't No,

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I mean once once.

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Speaker 2: My brother wasn't wasn't talking to them. I was very

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how do I put this, I was having my own

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major issues that had nothing even to do with his issues.

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But then I was of course protective. We were all

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having issues. And then remember, I mean, it doesn't matter

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we can tell this part of the story. There was

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my brother received a letter certified mail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve was it twelve or sixteen pages?

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Speaker 2: Something insane amount of pages? I think one Patreon. Many

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years ago. I read some of the letter and people

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complained because it went on to too long. I was like, well,

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it's hard to distill it down just one sentiment. So

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I think we are he already hadn't been talking to him, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I got that letter. I got that letter

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New Year's Eve of whenever, whenever the fallout happened, when

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the fall that happened with me and my parents, I

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was kind of like, well, that's it. And I told

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my wife. I was like, that's it. We're never going

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to speak again, and she's like, what, How's that possible? Like,

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I just just knowing the personalities involved. And then yeah,

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the last thing I got, well, I got that letter

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and then I get emails later, but that letter was, yeah,

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came on that New Year's.

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Speaker 1: Eve and what can you tell us? What in a nutshell?

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Remind us what the letter was?

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Speaker 3: The letter was basically telling me what a bad son

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I was, with examples and stuff like that. I don't

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remember it that well because I only read it once

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and then I handed it to Steff and then she

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took it and has been you know, reading it.

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Speaker 2: And we used to have a reading, an annual reading

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to remind ourselves of how insane it was. It was

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very mean. It was like a character assassination and something

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to know about my brother. He's like the kindest, he's

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a mensch. Yeah, yes, he has the biggest heart.

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Speaker 1: You can tell.

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Speaker 2: He's a good guy. He's funny and kind and like

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a nice person, like a genuinely like nice person who

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cares about people. And this letter was so like, what

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who are you talking about? Like you and my brother

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and I always like through the years, like I just don't.

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Here's the thing. My stepfather is a grudge holder. He's litigious.

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He likes to be in fights with people. That's what

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gives him like a charge. And my brother and I

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have talked about this, you know a few times. But

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he also had a terrible upbringing, our stepfather, my stepfather,

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But the letter.

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Speaker 1: Came from him.

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Speaker 3: The letter came from him, but I feel like it

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was ghost written by my mom.

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Speaker 2: Well, she definitely helped.

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Speaker 3: She did, because there's some big words in there.

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Speaker 1: God, yeah, now I remember, yeah, And.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that you're saying that now, because when we

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were reading the letter, I mean, Steph did a couple

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She was like, well, that part's true, and that part's true,

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and he's got a point that I remember that part

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right right.

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Speaker 2: I was like, let's not be hasty, just throw it

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all away. It's feedback.

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Speaker 3: I like it edited, you know, just someone changed a

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few things.

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Speaker 2: Right, constructive feedback, right, you know, we all have to

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be open to that sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I remember there was a point where he was mad

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because he had he was wearing like a bowler hat.

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What was that hat? For my wedding? He had this

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crazy hat that he wanted to wear and my in

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laws didn't want him to wear in the pictures, and

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everybody was fighting about everything, and I was like, I

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didn't care if he wore the hat or not. But

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they asked for some pictures without, not that my in

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laws were ever going to take pictures of him and

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put them in the album, but so I asked him,

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you know, could you do a few pictures without? And

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that was in the letter because he was like, you

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should have been honored that me and my hat made

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it to the wedding. And I never even invited his hat,

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Like his hat was a plus one that we know

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one of those.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Well he took a lot of pride in he

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has never worn a suit. He called it a monkey suit. Remember,

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he was like, I wasn't you wanted me to wear

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a monkey suit? And he did not want to wear

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He never ever wore a suit in his whole life.

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He's like a you know, what do you call it?

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Like an anti anti establishment guy? You know, rage against

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the machine? Yes, and that included he didn't want to

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have jobs or people ever telling him what to do.

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But and but his big thing was like, but we

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needed to respect him. There's a lot of like you

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have to respect me, and what I say disorder. How

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do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what a match? The ails two seem like

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your mom and your stepdad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But then the other weird thing is that you got

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a thing. You got a beautiful pictures in the mail. Yes,

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So I wanted to know what you thought about that, Michael.

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I remember when Stephanie told us about this. Yeah, yeah,

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well tell us what you got?

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Speaker 3: Well what I got? So in the mail I walked

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out of my house and there was a package for

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my dad. Now, I haven't heard from my dad in

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five years, and or no longer right, sixteen, I've lost track.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's been like sixteen years because I haven't.

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I haven't talked to this since I was two and

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she's turning nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had, so I hadn't heard from him, accepted

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in an email. I heard an email from him in

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two thousand and six or something, so that's that's my

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last contact with him. And then there was this package

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from him, and I was like, oh, no, I mean, like,

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am I being sued or I honestly was concerned. So

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I just left it there for I had to take

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my daughter to Ninja class. I was like, I do

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not want to open this and then have to go.

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And so when I got home, I opened it up

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and it was sheets, sheets and sheets. My dad's a

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fantastic photographer, and it was all these pictures of me

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as a baby and a toddler and it was like,

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I mean, it threw me for a loop because I

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don't have many, you know, we had this big break.

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I don't have any pictures from my childhood, like I

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have one or two. There's one picture of me and

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Steph as young, when we're young, and it looks like

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Elbie and my son Beckett at their age could look

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exactly like that. But there's there's only a couple of

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pictures I have. Suddenly I had like a flashback to

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that time, and it it threw me like because I

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was like, why is he sending this to me? And

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what's going on? The note was kind of perfunctory. Is

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that a word you could use? Like this basically matter

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of fact? But yeah, I just didn't know if it

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was trying to make amends. It was very it was

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very strange. But then I mean, but you know, it

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was kind of nice to have those pictures.

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Speaker 1: Of course, hey let's take a quick break. Okay, we're back.

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Speaker 2: So so he got all those pictures and he had

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sent me a picture of like, hey, there's this package outside,

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and I was weirded out too. I'm like, what is

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what's happening?

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Speaker 1: I remember this story?

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Speaker 2: And then I got it and then I think I

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saw somebody I don't whatever it was, I was like,

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oh shit, I have it too. I opened mine first,

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so I didn't want to tell him what it was.

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I was like, I bet you it's the same thing.

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But I was like, hey, it's not bad, and then

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yeah it was. And then my brother and I have

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been trying to figure out, like we were like is

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he is he dying? Yeah, like yeah, weird because he

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wasn't trying to make.

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Speaker 3: Up with us, No, because I wrote him back. I

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mean it took me a while, but I finally wrote

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him back and obviously never heard from him. But I

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wrote him back and just thanked him and I opened

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the door because like, look, I was never going to

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open the door because I know my sister and I

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think we dealt with the issues I think in the

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house differently. There was the fight or flight. I feel

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like you fought more than I fought. Once the stuff

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started happened to me, I was like, fuck it, I'm

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out of here, Like I just I would just just

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my high school years. I just sort of disappeared, and

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I want to, you know, like, but it took care

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of myself. So even when we had the falling out,

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I know you kept kind of going. But it's this

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relationship I want to have with mom. That's why I

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knew when we had the falling out, I was like,

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that's it, because my instinct is to be like I'm

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out of here and I've already I'd already tried enough

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so to get that those pictures, I was like, is

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he is he dying? Like what you know? Like is

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he trying to make amends? Is he just trying to

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open the door. But so I sent that letter saying

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I'll leave the door open as well if you ever

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want to contact me, like, oh you did, yeah, because

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I and he never did. He never did, but I

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didn't think he would. But I was like, you know what, like,

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I'm not I wanted to say thank you. I don't

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know if there's a says, I don't know if there's

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anything else to say or if there's but if you know,

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if you want to reach out, you have my number

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so you can call me and nothing and you put

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your number in there, No, because that would be then

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then you would really have my number.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying it, did you put your number?

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Speaker 3: No? I don't think so. I don't know he has

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my number. They have my number.

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Speaker 1: That's just so weird.

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Speaker 3: It's weird to me, or maybe put my number sad?

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It is?

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Speaker 2: It's it is sad. I mean it was emotional too,

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but then you also have to think my mother. They

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made a choice not to speak to both of us,

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and at different times it wasn't like it wasn't like

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we were together and had a fight with them. It

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was but they have a way or had a way

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of like kind of grinding grinding, like not giving any

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These are not people who ever apologized, whoever would see

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their part in anything. It was like always you did

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something wrong, we're mad about it, like you need you

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know what I mean, Like you need to come correct,

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and at a certain point you just go like I know.

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For me, it was when I had a kid, and

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it was like for a while, I felt like, well,

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I want to keep this relationship, like you said, because

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I want my daughter to have like it. It's so

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sad to go, like my daughter's not going to have

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grandparents because John's parents were really old right on the

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East coast, and I'm like, my kid has grandparents like

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right here, like a few miles from my house, Like

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why would I I So for me, I was like,

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I've got to make this work. So even after he

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got into like a big fight with them over something

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very valid, by the way, like over the way my

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stepfather was talking to his wife and he had to

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draw a line in the sand, and I felt for

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him and felt loyal to him, but at the same time,

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and I'd had a fight with them for a different reason.

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But then I felt I always felt like, oh, I

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got to go back. I forgot to make this work

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right for your kids, for my kids. But then I

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think there was a There was just a moment where

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I brought Elbe to see my mom because it became

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always me, always like if I wanted to see her,

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like I had to slept Elbe to her and then

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just to go for a walk because at a certain

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point I didn't want to deal with my stepfather anymore.

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So I was like, my mom wouldn't just come over

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right and hang or help with the baby or you know.

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So I brought her over and it was sort of infrequent.

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It would be like every other week. And Elbe has anxiety,

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probably since she was a baby, and I remember she

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was kind of like like didn't want like my mom

476
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,240
reached out for her and she sort of recoiled a

477
00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:56,160
little bit, and then my mom was pissed at a baby, like, oh, well,

478
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,440
I guess she's in a bad mood. And it was like, no,

479
00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,359
she's not in a bad mood. She doesn't know you,

480
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,839
Like I didn't say that, but I was like what.

481
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,720
And then I was like, wow, why am I being

482
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,279
put in a position? And then and then she kind

483
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,440
of acted like Elbe was sort of a nuisance that

484
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:13,640
Albe was there because she wanted to be telling me

485
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,039
about something. And I I remember having this moment where

486
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:22,240
I was like, she's got hardly any toys in the house, right,

487
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,119
Like you hear about grandma's that are like, oh my god,

488
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,880
I can't wait to be a grandma, And I'm like, well,

489
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,759
my mom was not a great mom, but like me,

490
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,160
she has a doover like she can be a great Yeah,

491
00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:35,759
one of those people that's like I love having a granddaughter.

492
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,000
I'm going to be different, you know.

493
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,599
Speaker 3: But it was like, but does she know she has

494
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,559
to be different? I think that's one of the bigger issues, right,

495
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,720
Like does she think she needs a do over because

496
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,720
she doesn't think she was wrong?

497
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:48,079
Speaker 1: Exactly?

498
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, so she I remember she had like a

499
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,839
set of blocks that were too kind of too old

500
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,799
for LB, especially when she was younger, right, but those

501
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:02,880
were for my dad. Yeah. So I just remember her

502
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,720
being kind of annoyed that Lbie was even there, and

503
00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,359
it was almost like she was kind of like like,

504
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:11,640
does she have to be like she would be like

505
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:14,039
that's cute, but like now we're done with that, and

506
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,359
I want to like tell you about like some work story.

507
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:18,680
And I remember thinking what am I doing?

508
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just so weird to me that

509
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,319
she lives out here, right in Los Angeles. So she

510
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:32,920
lives out here, She's got grandchildren from her daughter and

511
00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:38,920
her son, and yet doesn't It's just like they don't exist. Yeah,

512
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,920
it's just bizarre to me. Like I don't know how people.

513
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,279
I understand being a terrible parent. I kind of understand that.

514
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,839
But when yes, like you said, it's like, now's your

515
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,599
chance for redemption. You live in LA. You got grandchildren,

516
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,920
I mean, go see them or something. But nothing, which

517
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,720
is weird.

518
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: My dad's letter even said I thought you might want

519
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,559
some pictures of you as a kid to share with

520
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,400
your kids. So he they know because they never even

521
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,039
like my falling out was before I had kids, so

522
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,599
they've never they don't even they've never met my kids.

523
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: Or or acknowledged they were acknowledged or anything like that.

524
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:23,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my god, Yeah, so but they know, Wow, And.

525
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:26,759
Speaker 2: They've never met your name name never twin twins, and

526
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,440
they haven't seen Elbie since she was two.

527
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,799
Speaker 1: So LB's the only grandchildren out of all you guys.

528
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,400
What about the other siblings.

529
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: She has a son. We don't know if they're close

530
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:36,720
or not.

531
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, so they might not be

532
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,480
close either.

533
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,519
Speaker 3: She might not be a I think that they are,

534
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,079
aren't they?

535
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Our sister is not on social media.

536
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,079
Speaker 1: Oh she's not on Facebook. That sucks, no, especially for you. Well, she.

537
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,319
Speaker 3: Had us both blocked, of course, and John blocked. I

538
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,039
think so because we because we look every once in

539
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:02,559
a while, you know, I'd be like, and she's not there,

540
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,359
and then all of a sudden, Steph looked under John's

541
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,480
account and founder, and I looked under my wife's account

542
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,359
and founder, and we're like, she purposely went to block us.

543
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,079
And there wasn't even anything like fascinating. It was really

544
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,960
boring stuff that she was blocking us from.

545
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all very very odd, especially because it

546
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,359
wasn't this dramatic, like our childhood wasn't even like super

547
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,759
dramatic or I mean, it wasn't great, but it wasn't

548
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,119
it right. I mean, it wasn't like horrifying like neglect

549
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,039
or abuse. It was just like, so it has always

550
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,319
been weird to us. But I do feel, and I

551
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,759
think my brother feels too, that the keeping up of

552
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,599
the relationship with them in the first place was all

553
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:47,759
work on our part.

554
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

555
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tiring. I mean, that was the whole

556
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,920
Because I do talk about that. I'm like, it's not

557
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,599
you know, you hear about people's childhoods where you're like,

558
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:56,519
oh my god, that sounds awful and it's hard to

559
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:58,599
point to stuff. But it was just sort of like

560
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,720
a constant thing. It was basically the two of them together,

561
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,559
and you had to be in the fold. And if

562
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,920
you were in the fold, then you were you were

563
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,279
in trouble or ostracized or or you know. My dad

564
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,599
wouldn't speak to me for days for who knows what reason,

565
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920
and my mom would back them up. So, like even

566
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200
the fight we had, I got into it with him,

567
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,200
and then when I spoke to my mom and I

568
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:23,920
was like, look, this is ridiculous, and we had a

569
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480
whole conversation. It sounded like I was getting through to

570
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,119
her because she was, you know, she was crying a

571
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,359
little bit, and she's like, I know, I hear you,

572
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,799
I hear you. The next time I spoke to her,

573
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,079
she said, you need to apologize to your dad. And

574
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,799
I was like, for what, and she was like, because

575
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,039
you you know, you were route to him and this

576
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,680
and that, Like, well, that's not going to happen. And

577
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,799
so that's when I knew, like they had gone off

578
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,599
and been like and that's but I was like, oh

579
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,640
my gosh, this is what we've been doing our whole lives,

580
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:51,200
is kind of getting back in the fold. And I

581
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,559
was like, I don't want to get back in the fold.

582
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,799
I'm good, I'm done. So I was, I was out

583
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,599
and yeah, and that's why I just knew at the time.

584
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960
And then they like, I said, my dad sent me

585
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,119
an email telling me that I was whatever. And then

586
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,319
I guess that he was worried I wasn't reading my email,

587
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:06,400
so it was horrible.

588
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: It was you're never gonna if you have kids, which

589
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,279
I doubt, or something like. It was basically saying that

590
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,160
he'll probably never have kids because he's not.

591
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: It's like, that's the only reason I had kids was

592
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,440
to prove him wrong. In your face, Dado, I told

593
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:21,720
you that.

594
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: My mom said to me when I was talking about

595
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,039
whether I would have another kid, and she was like,

596
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,440
I think you're probably somebody who should only have one kid.

597
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember, yeah, what the hell? And so

598
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,000
he's your stepdad, Stephanie, but he's your biological yeah, yes,

599
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,920
And have you ever met Stanley, her step heard biological.

600
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: I met him when I moved out here. We had

601
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,599
Thanksgiving together, we did.

602
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he would be fun to

603
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:46,960
have Thanksgiving one.

604
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was fun then, yes, Okay,

605
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,759
I don't know if he even liked me because I

606
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,960
was Gil's son.

607
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,759
Speaker 2: So my mother, I mean, I've probably been open about this,

608
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680
but so my mother was married to my father for

609
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,839
a while, Like she met him young, and then they

610
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,720
were married until they had me, when she'd already been

611
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,759
with him like four years. Maybe she had me at

612
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:17,920
twenty three and she married him at nineteen. Yeah, so

613
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,000
four years, and then four years later they got divorced.

614
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,799
So she was with him for like eight years. The

615
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,640
whole time. My stepfather was a very good friend of

616
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880
my father's I remember that, and lived in our guest house,

617
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,759
like I mean kind of looked alike.

618
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,119
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy.

619
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad told me stories back in the day

620
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,200
when they were roommates. In New York.

621
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Uh huh where there were college roommates. They were.

622
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the he told me like one like when

623
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400
the rent was due, the landlord like, hey, to my dad,

624
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,359
the rents do and he's like, okay, okay, but you know,

625
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,720
Stanley has it. And then later on he would see Stanley,

626
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,160
it's like, hey, the rents do. He's like, I know,

627
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,519
I told you Stanley has it.

628
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Like they could do that much of like uh right, right, right, right, Wow.

629
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,880
My mom has a type yes, yes, yes, So.

630
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:15,519
Speaker 2: When she divorced my father, I mean, I I don't know,

631
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,599
but he was in six months later he was she

632
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:23,279
was living with my stepfather, got it, and then a

633
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,240
couple of years after that they had my brother, and

634
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
then two years later they had my sister. I mean

635
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,119
they're still together like that. It obviously worked out.

636
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

637
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like listen, they're not horrible people by any

638
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,640
they're not. They're but it was just I think that

639
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640
you know, I will the way he I was. Again,

640
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,960
I was. They weren't great either, and we had some

641
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,480
chaos in the childhood, and I fought all the time.

642
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,440
And then my brother and my sister were young, younger

643
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,279
and I'm sure didn't love seeing all the screaming.

644
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:05,039
Speaker 3: Yeah.

645
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,119
Speaker 1: Usually the boy kind of, you know, shuts down and

646
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,240
just kind of leaves at some point when and the

647
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,000
girls are more of the feisty ones.

648
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,839
Speaker 3: That sounds that right, Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I

649
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,079
remember seeing I don't remember enough, but I remember fights,

650
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,960
and I remember I remember one time coming home. We

651
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,920
had left the four of us, my younger sister, me,

652
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,000
my mom, and my dad to go somewhere and then

653
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,759
temple Temple, and then my dad. They realized they forgot something.

654
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,759
They were coming home, and I had that sinking feeling

655
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,960
that stuff was gonna get in trouble because she was

656
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,240
using the stereo or whatever, and.

657
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: There was a I wasn't allowed to use the stereo,

658
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,200
which by the way, wasn't like I was scratching records

659
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:50,039
or whatever. I was older, because if you were, I mean,

660
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:50,559
I would.

661
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,599
Speaker 3: Have been like, yeah, I was like niner.

662
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: It was it was.

663
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,279
Speaker 3: It was Springfields was so.

664
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: I was already like sixteen years old. Just listening to

665
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,240
the stereo meant pushing a button that would turn it on,

666
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440
because it was like the radio or whatever. Back in

667
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,599
those days. I wasn't allowed to push the button because

668
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,799
my stepfather didn't like me and didn't want me touching

669
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,359
any of his. It was like that's mine, Yes, my stereo,

670
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,400
you can't use it. And it was the only stereo

671
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,440
in the house. I'm pretty sure.

672
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might have had a little bit

673
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,359
of a seventies mentality too. Back then. I remember my

674
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,640
friend's parents. It's like, oh, they weren't allowed to touch shit,

675
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,759
you know, like they're not allowed to like the stereo,

676
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,839
or don't touch the thermostat, Like who came over and

677
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,000
turned it down, Like, don't touch the thermostat. I don't

678
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,960
want that person in my house anymore. It was very

679
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,920
like all right, already, like my kids' friends come over

680
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,839
and they're running around dropping crumbs, mobile muffin. I mean,

681
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,039
it's a you know, yeah, it's a free for all.

682
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: So you came home.

683
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I came home and I was I was

684
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,839
like I had that feeling. And then there was like

685
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,640
they went inside and sudden there was a huge screaming

686
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,960
match yelling. I think it. I think it. It didn't

687
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160
uh come out into the front yard. All I remember

688
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200
is it's just like, yeah, that was stuff that I

689
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,559
would that's sad. I remember that gives you.

690
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,759
Speaker 1: A stomach ache, Like that's so traumatizing to kids, and.

691
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,519
Speaker 3: I would you know, I didn't have any of that

692
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,079
because like stuff says, it's not like it was horrible

693
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:18,960
and stuff like that. But it's like then when stuff

694
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,000
left the house, and then I became the kind of

695
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,759
the focal point, and I can be stubborn and I

696
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,000
can be you know, I have I can I can

697
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,880
wise off, and it just yeah, it became I became

698
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160
the new focal point. But like you said, I kind

699
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,720
of more shut down and disappeared. I remember one time

700
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
we had to go to a couple's therapy, my dad

701
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,079
and I really yeah, we went to therapy and it

702
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,119
was basically a chance for him just to tell me

703
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,240
for fifty minutes how much I sucked. And I was like, okay, cool,

704
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,240
this is this is I don't know if this is

705
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,880
helping me as much as I as you think it will.

706
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,480
But and then we ran out of like the discount therapy,

707
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,799
like it was it was some deal. But they said

708
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,920
we can continue if we put under Michael's name, and

709
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,280
and then and then they were like, but you have

710
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,559
to pay, and I was like wait what? And so

711
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,280
the next time we came to the session, I didn't

712
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,599
bring any money, and I was like, oh, I'm supposed

713
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,519
to pay for this. I was like, I can't pay

714
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,880
for it, and so we went in and my dad

715
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,880
was really pissed now because he was like, we're trying

716
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,360
to make this work and just started bashing. I was like,

717
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,239
wait a second, this is what I'm paying for. So

718
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,079
I was like I'm out of here. I got up

719
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,639
and left and walked out, and I was basically just

720
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,920
disappeared for the whole day. And I was like downtown

721
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,360
Springfield and I was like go into pay phones back

722
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,719
in the day, on those payphones and calling my friend

723
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,199
to pick me up. And I was going from house

724
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,320
to house and I only made the mistake to go

725
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,960
to a house where they knew the number. So they

726
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,800
finally found me like twelve hours later, and they're like,

727
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,400
why don't you just come home and we'll talk. I'm like,

728
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,480
I'm not coming home. And so when I came home,

729
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,559
I got grounded and I was like, shit, I shouldn't

730
00:34:59,559 --> 00:34:59,920
have come home.

731
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, my whole thing was he charged across the

732
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,480
room at one point at you in therapy. I think

733
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:07,679
he did that to me not.

734
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not in therapy.

735
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: No, he charged you in therapy.

736
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was forced in there when I was sixteen

737
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,559
when we did like a family therapy session, and he

738
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,039
just he had very serious anger issues, very serious angry issues,

739
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:30,239
I mean, very yelling and angry and red in the

740
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,320
face and vain popping out.

741
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: And I was really, so, do you think this sibling,

742
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,280
the younger sibling, got that from him?

743
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

744
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: But when I was in because you don't you see Michael,

745
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,519
you seem very mellow, like I don't think he's really mellow. Yeah.

746
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm raging right now, though I said something earlier

747
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:49,079
that I'm really pissed at.

748
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay later all right.

749
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 2: When I was in therapy for myself, like at like sixteen,

750
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,119
I remember the therapist saying and I was always like,

751
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,440
I don't understand, like my whole family hates me, like

752
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,840
they don't like me, my stepfather hates me, and they

753
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,800
I am to blame for all these things. And the

754
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,159
therapist was like, you're what they call the identified problem,

755
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,880
like when there's any problems in the family, because I

756
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,199
was like, everybody seems perfect and they all get along

757
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,440
perfect except for me. And then she explained to me

758
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:26,320
this thing called the identified problem where whatever issues because

759
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,239
I was like, my parents, my mother and stepfather never fight, never,

760
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,280
and she was like, that's because whatever tensions arise, they

761
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,840
think they blame you for. And she said, mark my words,

762
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,800
when you leave the house somebody else that it has

763
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,639
to go somewhere. But I didn't even believe it. And

764
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,280
it wasn't until years later that my brother told me

765
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,079
about like some of the fights that he would have

766
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,960
because they it's in from my estimation from what I observed,

767
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,199
he was never in trouble. My sister was never in trouble,

768
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,440
like it was only me. I constantly mad at me.

769
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,599
If I came home one minute late, I was grounded,

770
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,639
like the focus was on me, So I was not happy.

771
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,760
But I remember being like, wait, what, Like he's like,

772
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,880
oh oh, we have like almost physically challenged each other.

773
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to be fair. When when that time

774
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,760
was going on, I was perfect, So I get why

775
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,920
you would seen me and go he's perfect. But then

776
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,880
I think I became too perfect and my.

777
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: Dad it just yeah right, yeah, but what did it

778
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,880
happen right away after I left?

779
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,119
Speaker 3: Or I think it happened. I mean, honestly, I think

780
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,239
it's part of it with him and I and I

781
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,320
don't know, it's just that I was growing up. You

782
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,239
grow up and you start to become rebellious and you're

783
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,559
not the little boy anymore. And I think he just

784
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,400
did not like, you know, you hit hit a certain

785
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,960
age and you sort of like talk back or you

786
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,760
sort of stand up for yourself, and you know, yeah,

787
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,239
there was that time when I was like, he had

788
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,920
a dark group. So the basement. The basement was my area.

789
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,639
That's where I watched TV. That's where I hung out.

790
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:01,639
You know, my friends would come to the window and

791
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,239
knock on the window to be like come on out.

792
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Let's like, let's get out of here. So I was

793
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,760
never up in the main area. I was in the

794
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,320
basement or in my room. But he had his dark

795
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,880
room back there, and I was back with the box

796
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,519
where you had to like press the buttons for the

797
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,239
you know, cable, and he had it like tethered into

798
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,800
his dark room. So he was watching some baseball game.

799
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,840
I came down to my room. I was like, I'm

800
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,960
just going to check things. So I went to go

801
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,679
check something else that was on. But you had to

802
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,400
go like toggle ab. It was just a whole it

803
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,559
was a whole mess, but bursting out and he was like,

804
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,599
why isn't the baseball game. I'm like it's a commercial.

805
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,280
I'm watching it. I was like it's a commercial, dude,

806
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Like you know, I'm just checking to see something else on.

807
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,639
He got all mad. He told me to get out

808
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:46,679
of here. I'm like, I don't have to get out

809
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,920
of here, and that became like that hole. He was like,

810
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,199
get out of here. So I was on the stairs

811
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,480
saying I'm not getting out of here, and he would.

812
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,119
Then that's when he was like physically trying to get

813
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:56,800
me up the stairs. And then we got into a

814
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,559
big altercation in the kitchen where mom had to break

815
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,199
us up. And I was like yeah, like that and

816
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,280
that's like that was like Jesus, I'm not you know,

817
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,320
next time, I'll just I guess I'll get out of there.

818
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:15,199
Speaker 1: Wow, so sad. You guys came out so like totally normal. Well,

819
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,280
one thing that was very helpful.

820
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,199
Speaker 2: Was having each other. Yeah, and I left when he

821
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,000
was pretty young.

822
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,159
Speaker 1: You were eleven. Did you have guilt leaving him?

823
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:25,519
Speaker 3: No, she's out of there.

824
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't that I didn't have. It's I felt bad.

825
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,280
I remember my sister, who was nine at the time,

826
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,760
writing me this note and saying how much she was

827
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,199
gonna miss me. I mean, I didn't realize that they

828
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,679
were actually sad. I didn't feel wanted, is honest to god.

829
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,320
I felt like everybody's gonna be I mean, my mom

830
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,360
couldn't wait to get me the fuck out. She was

831
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,559
charging me rent at the time, and she was like,

832
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,119
you cannot stay here. So when I moved, I mean,

833
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,800
Gil was probably not speaking to me at the time

834
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,239
at all. He hardly ever was speaking to me. So

835
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,480
I was like, everybody's gonna be happy that I'm gone.

836
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,480
And obviously I didn't have like a close relationship with

837
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,880
my brother at that time. He was a young kid.

838
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,840
But then I would come back home like yearly for

839
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,239
Thanksgiving or whatever, and he and I would talk, and

840
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:14,920
as time went on, I was like, we have like

841
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,880
the same sense of humor and yeah, and then we

842
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,679
just started getting closer, like every year. And I remember

843
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,119
when he graduated college. I guess I came home for

844
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,880
I remember that we got we really talked then, and

845
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
I was like, and we started and then we started

846
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,480
like more keeping in touch.

847
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: You left me a letter because I was at summer

848
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,320
camp when you left. So I came home like I

849
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,000
was gone for the month, and I came home and

850
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,400
was I remember there was a letter from you, and

851
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,039
it meant a lot to me.

852
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: Oh it was so nice.

853
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: So keeping hard on myself.

854
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: I needed the envelope. That's why I was because you

855
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,519
hadn't sealed it. I was like, that means a lot.

856
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,079
She's let me recycle the envelope.

857
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:01,639
Speaker 2: She'd take another break, Yeah, take a break. Yeah, I

858
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,599
think though that looking back, once my brother and I

859
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,000
got closer and then we moved across the country. He he,

860
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,119
I was already living in LA and then he moved

861
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:18,280
across the country. And then that's been very healing, you know,

862
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,719
to have a close relationship with him, and we've been

863
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,840
through a lot together and like had our had kids,

864
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,280
and he you know, helped me so much with my

865
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960
kids and like when my when Elbie was in the

866
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,920
hospital when she was a little baby, and like he

867
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,599
was always the one I called, you know, and then

868
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,400
now he and his wife, you know, that's like my

869
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,800
first call when there was and I think vice versa,

870
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,360
and you know, I think I think it helped me

871
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,840
realize that I was capable of having family relate, you

872
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,679
know what I mean. It's like it's so different as

873
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,440
adults than it was when we were kids, right right,

874
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,840
and the I think some of the way we grew

875
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,360
up was obviously toxic and gave us both different images

876
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,599
of ourselves. It's hard to see yourself as somebody who

877
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,800
can be a great dad or be a great mom

878
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,320
or you know. And I think we've helped each other.

879
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, when I looked up to stuff. I mean,

880
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,519
you know, you may not know that, but I looked

881
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,920
up to her because she was my older sister and

882
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,719
she was cool, and you know, when she left, I

883
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,159
it was always like this utopia. She was out in

884
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,239
La doing her thing. You know, when she started doing

885
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,199
stand up I watched stand up comedy all the time,

886
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,320
so just to like kind of bond with her through

887
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,639
that like that way, and she would send me tapes

888
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:40,639
and see, you know, like she got me into Depeche mode,

889
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,360
like I just ah, yeah, I was so cute, Like yeah,

890
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,800
I was. I was into I always looked up to her,

891
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,239
So I don't know if she ever knew that because

892
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,480
of the whole whatever was going on. But yeah, when

893
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,559
my wife, when we were dating, meeting steph was the

894
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,159
bigger deal for her. She knew that meeting stuff. If

895
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,559
she didn't get in, if Stephane didn't like her, she

896
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,679
was screwged. She wasn't as worried about my parents. She

897
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,239
was worried about what stuff.

898
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see funny and I liked her right away.

899
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,880
I was like, Oh, she's funny, Like she's funny, she's

900
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,119
like super outgoing. And then my brother and I, I

901
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,760
don't know, somehow we were going to dinner or something,

902
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,159
and she got very insecure because I think she thought

903
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,960
that I was going to tell you to break up

904
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,719
with her or something.

905
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,199
Speaker 3: I remember that we went to we went we went

906
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,440
out to sushi, and then I didn't know the whole time,

907
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,719
she was at home freaking out. And when I came home,

908
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,760
she was like, thought that I was going to see

909
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,519
Steph because I was talking about how we need to

910
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:41,320
break up and stuff like that. That's what I was

911
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,599
going to do. But I can't prove her.

912
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: Right later, I feel like she and I talked about

913
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,679
it and I was like, no, he was telling me like,

914
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,639
oh my god, she's so amazing.

915
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm in love with her, Like, yeah, that's awesome.

916
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,159
Speaker 3: But yeah she does. Do you know the Brad story, right,

917
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,199
the Gina bro story.

918
00:43:58,519 --> 00:43:59,199
Speaker 1: No, so.

919
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: There was So Gina is her best friend. I'm sure

920
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,119
she'd like to tell the story at the time. So

921
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,639
it's fine. Gina is her best friend, her maid of honor.

922
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,360
And you know, all of us would hang out watch football.

923
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:15,679
And it was eighteen twenty years ago for the Super Bowl.

924
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,679
We're watching the Super Bowl, but no one could really

925
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,360
watch that year. Raquel had to go work. She was

926
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,480
working at the Kodak Theater and I had one friend over,

927
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:25,599
but he had to leave, so it was just me

928
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,360
and Gina watching watching the game. Gina notoriously gets hot.

929
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,199
Her her core temperature goes up. There's been many times

930
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,639
when she just leaves to go take a shower so

931
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,559
she get her temperature downe We're living in like this

932
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:41,320
not so great apartment down in like Western and Melrose,

933
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,719
Like there was no air conditioning and.

934
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: It was just so.

935
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,159
Speaker 3: Raquel came home and unbeknownst to us, she had noticed

936
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,920
that Gena's bra was had she taken her broth and

937
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,320
we were just watching the game. We had like a

938
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,840
good time. We enjoyed the game. It was a lot

939
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,800
of fun. It was the Janet Jackson year. Oh yeah, yeah.

940
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 2: She was trying to recreate the Genia.

941
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,639
Speaker 3: She's like, this is what happened. I was like, no, no, no,

942
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,599
this is what happened. So we kept showing Raquel that

943
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,480
over and over. So then but yeah, Raquel came in

944
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:14,760
and she didn't say anything, and she just went in

945
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,880
the back room, you know, into our bedroom, and she

946
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,599
just started watching uh International, house Hunters International or whatever

947
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,039
and just sat there. And then later we found out

948
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,760
that she saw the bra and thought we had an

949
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,760
affair and went in the back and was like all

950
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,400
this crazy stuff. And she told us and we're like

951
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,920
what but your reaction was to go in the back

952
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,039
and watch Internet, you know international.

953
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's there's that's hilarious.

954
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:51,679
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, that's funny. Yeah, Gina is married to their friend,

955
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,360
I know, but I was trying to I was like,

956
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,000
was that was Jeff? Originally? Jeff was originally Rockel's friend, right.

957
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like he because he he reviewed he

958
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,599
reviews theater, so she knew.

959
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 2: Okay, so they got together. Jeff is and Jeff is

960
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,719
my friend too that because we see them Everythanksgiving. Every Thanksgiving,

961
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,079
this is our core group, Jeff and Gina, Me and

962
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,480
John and the kids, and my brother and Raquel and

963
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:21,039
their kids. Right, And Jeff is a is a film

964
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,360
professor basically at community college. And he was the one

965
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,880
that I think I told that was like, Okay, Elbe

966
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,199
needs to go to community college, Like this is actually

967
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,039
a great thing. He's like super pro community college and

968
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,199
like all about how she's going to save money, and

969
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:39,320
and Elbe just like did not want to hear it.

970
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,800
The Thanksgiving that she was doing applications and she's like

971
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,280
ah blah blah blah blah. And then but anyway, Jeff's

972
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,880
been the one that's really helpful that like has a

973
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,280
really good friend that's in the transfer department that's just

974
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,440
like anything you need. It's he's been like a really

975
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,039
good connection.

976
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,079
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. It's good to have.

977
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Gena and I were friends before Raquel and I. Raquel.

978
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,880
Raquel and I didn't like each other at first because

979
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,079
we were in the same restaurant and she thought I

980
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,320
was she didn't like my dry humor, and I thought

981
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,039
she was too loud, and so we just sort of

982
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:16,559
just couldn't we just we just yeah. It was just

983
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,840
like she you know, she was loud. She I mean

984
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,639
she would walk into like the backstation, like moving to Vaginas.

985
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:25,400
I'm walk coming in person and I'm making my dry,

986
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,199
sarcastic remarks and She's like, I don't get dry humor,

987
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,320
Like you either have to say vaginas or I don't

988
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,599
get it right. And then we just started flirting because

989
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:36,760
because Gina would always be like, let's hang out and

990
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:38,960
I was the new guy at the restaurant and like,

991
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,239
let's hang out with Mike, and She's like I don't

992
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,360
want to hang out with Mike, and I was like, okay,

993
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,079
I guess. And then we just sort of started flirting.

994
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,000
And suddenly we were like, oh, I mean, you're loud,

995
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,679
but I could look I can, I can look past it.

996
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,400
I can I can tune out right right.

997
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: She's very funny. She has come up with so many

998
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,000
saying I don't know where she gets it, but she

999
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:03,760
was the one who was just like, hey, you make

1000
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,599
sack of SuDS.

1001
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,199
Speaker 3: She also mixes up saying sometimes there was one time

1002
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,000
she told my dad that was back when we're all obvious,

1003
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:14,920
saying that, but she told him it was something was

1004
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,000
something was so funny. He would drop dead in his

1005
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,440
pants and we were like, it's that funny. You dropped

1006
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,320
dead right in your pants.

1007
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

1008
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: So even now I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna drop

1009
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,079
dead in my pants.

1010
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: I love that she came up with calling if you

1011
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,039
have to peek calling it, I gotta take a sizzle.

1012
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,760
Oh I love that too. Yeah, and it's stuck. There's

1013
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,480
so many rocks that we Yeah, you gotta sizzle. You

1014
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,599
got to sizzle before we go, because it makes a

1015
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,920
sizzling sound when youird it does you peek so many

1016
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,280
things that she just naturally. I don't know where she

1017
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:46,800
gets them.

1018
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,559
Speaker 3: I don't know some of them. She just mixes them

1019
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,280
up and then they just, you know, this come out

1020
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,760
right and it sounds fine. It's like you just sometimes

1021
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,480
I'm like, just don't delve too far into it. I'll

1022
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,159
hear on phone calls and she'll do a saying, saying

1023
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,480
and she's mixed up the saying, and I'm just like,

1024
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,639
but she just keeps going so that if you've noticed it,

1025
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:08,159
it's too late, like you and I don't. I'm just like, yeah,

1026
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:08,599
just keep going.

1027
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: Just don't commit to it.

1028
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: She commits to Yes, it's impressed.

1029
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: That's good.

1030
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:12,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1031
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: So years ago, so my brother did stand up too,

1032
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,920
and he had some really funny jokes. Tell us the

1033
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:25,719
do the cowjoke? You remember it?

1034
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it's always you know I did the cow joke?

1035
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,039
Did I ever tell you? The cowjoke is never a

1036
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,280
good starter? I started one time with comedy my set.

1037
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,039
It throws off the whole.

1038
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you know what we have to talk about. Okay,

1039
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
but do the cowjoke, and then we have to tell

1040
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760
them the story of when you did stand up about

1041
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,639
our parents, the friend of your parents. Yeah, well we

1042
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,280
got to tell you the story. Okay. So you have

1043
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,960
a cowjoke, the cowjokes, Well, it's.

1044
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: Not a joke. I mean, it's real, right, It's from

1045
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,679
my life because I had a pet cow when I

1046
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,280
was growing up. Yeah, and I really love that cow.

1047
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,199
Like me and the cow. We did everything together, Like

1048
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,840
when I would come home from school, the cow is

1049
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,159
waiting for me in the mornings, the cow would walk

1050
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:12,920
me to school. It was just like it was a

1051
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,320
classic tale of a boy and his cow. And then

1052
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,920
one time the cow went out for a pack of cigarettes,

1053
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,960
and it never came back. That's the thing about cows,

1054
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,119
you know, like they'll rip your heart out, chew it up,

1055
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,280
swallow it to their first stomach, bring it back up,

1056
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,480
trying it some more, and then you know, swallow to

1057
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,320
the second stomach and just you just never know when

1058
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,519
they're gonna be done with your right.

1059
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's good.

1060
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will never love another cow again.

1061
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,559
Speaker 2: So he had the he wrote these jokes that were

1062
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,039
like about our parents.

1063
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of hippie jokes, but my parents

1064
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,480
being hippie and my dad not having a job. So yeah,

1065
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,840
well yeah, I'm trying to remember. Oh yeah, so my dad, like,

1066
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,679
if you want to get a sense of my dad,

1067
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,360
picture a guy who looks like he's from zz Top

1068
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,440
with the big long beard minus the rock star income. Yeah,

1069
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,400
or any income whatsoever.

1070
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,039
Speaker 2: Wow.

1071
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,559
Speaker 3: And if you want to picture my mom, picture a

1072
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,679
woman who'd be attracted to a guy that looks like

1073
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,519
he's from zz Top and has no money. So I

1074
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,079
was doing those jokes in front of them.

1075
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: And then he and then a joke about smoking pot,

1076
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,320
about pot, and yeah, where are the rolling papers?

1077
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1078
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: What was that with the rolling papers?

1079
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: And then he was like, oh, you got to ask

1080
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,239
your mom. That's your mom's department or something.

1081
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1082
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1083
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: There was also one with like you know, my dad

1084
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,320
would always get frustrated because they'd only bring out the

1085
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
good rolling papers when company was around, but he really

1086
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
couldn't say anything because he didn't pay for it. So

1087
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000
my mom loved all these.

1088
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: She has a good sense of so she no, I

1089
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,599
don't think she'd heard them at this time. So my

1090
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,400
parents were he was doing this a show at the improv.

1091
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,440
We all came to see him and I was like,

1092
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:14,840
what are you going to Are you going to do

1093
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,639
those jokes because that was like a main part of mainstay.

1094
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was like nothing else right, And it was.

1095
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: The most tense. I was like, what is going to happen?

1096
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:29,920
Like these are like some intense jokes about like my

1097
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,199
dad has no money, like doesn't have a job and so.

1098
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:39,719
And they they laughed, thought it was the most the

1099
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,920
funniest thing. That's good that they have a sense of humor.

1100
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,960
I don't know, I don't know, but they're also very oblivious.

1101
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:55,079
Like okay, quick story. My sister wrote this story. I

1102
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,719
wish I wish this this should be more for Patreon.

1103
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,199
But in a nutshell, my sister wrote this story worry

1104
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:03,559
about some very bad behavior on her part that we

1105
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,239
knew about. We knew that she was doing this bad behavior,

1106
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,719
but my mom has kind of had my sister on

1107
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,960
a pedestal. So she wrote this story that was like

1108
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,119
if you read it, you'd be like, holy shit. But

1109
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,079
she pretended it was like fiction. And then my mom

1110
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,280
was like, oh my god, your sister wrote this amazing

1111
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,760
story like ah, her imagination, you know, and it like

1112
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,519
we were like what, like that's that's true, Like this

1113
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,599
is how she lives her life. And my mom was like, oh,

1114
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,840
she's the best, she's the greatest. You need to help

1115
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,559
her get a publishing deal. Yeah wow. And it was

1116
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,800
so she tends to not think things are right, so

1117
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,840
she probably thought like that he was just what a

1118
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,079
funny funny jokes?

1119
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,079
Speaker 3: Those are just those aren't observations, right right. I do

1120
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:51,840
remember my dad going to see me, just him at

1121
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,440
one club and then afterwards, you know, I was like,

1122
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,119
you know, you crave, like how do you think you know?

1123
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,840
How was it? He was like, oh it was good.

1124
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,599
The other that band that did this other thing, they

1125
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:04,840
were really great. I'm like, yeah, cool, but you know,

1126
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,199
just like I wanted more about me, but he kept yeah,

1127
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,639
we really like that that band. I think they were good.

1128
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: Right, well, you know the story of me, of her

1129
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,039
coming to see me at a show when she was

1130
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,360
out here visiting. This is before she lived here. She'd

1131
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,280
hardly I don't think I think she'd see me do

1132
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,599
stand up. Like one maybe once or twice came out.

1133
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,320
I was at the comedy store and she did not

1134
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:29,440
say anything about me, and then she said, oh, that

1135
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,519
other girl was really funny. She was talking about Lisa,

1136
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,360
and she was like, oh, she was hilarious. And we

1137
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,880
ended up in a fight about it because I later

1138
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,719
I was because then I was upset. Yeah, like nothing not,

1139
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,400
you were great. You were so funny. Oh, let's talk

1140
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
about the other people. It is just as common courtesy

1141
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,719
if you watch somebody do something, the first thing you

1142
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,480
say is like, your thing was so good, you were

1143
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:57,440
so great, that was so fun Oh, let's break down

1144
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,639
the other thing we saw too, right right right, Like

1145
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,719
if you went to go see John Stewart and John

1146
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,440
Mullaney and you say nothing to John Stewart and you're

1147
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:10,800
just like, oh my god, John Mullaney was Halle and

1148
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,400
you never say anything. Even John Stewart would be like, okay,

1149
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,920
exactly what I do. That's my mother, yes, yeah, And

1150
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,559
later I said that really hurt my feelings, like you

1151
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:27,039
never said anything, and then she still didn't. She was like, well,

1152
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,639
I mean you know how I feel or something, and

1153
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,199
I was like, no, I don't.

1154
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: So that's so that's yeah, that tracks does track well.

1155
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,519
He they saw me in a play when in college,

1156
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:39,239
and I guess my mom told me later because he

1157
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,519
didn't say anyth to me, but he was like, was

1158
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,079
going on about me, like like felt like I was

1159
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:48,039
like de neroesque and whatever I was doing. Wow, but

1160
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,480
not to you, not to me.

1161
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,039
Speaker 1: See, isn't that interesting? Like they'll talk to other people

1162
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:57,440
about but they don't have twitch pride or something. My

1163
00:55:57,519 --> 00:55:59,519
mom not say anything to you personally.

1164
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was always big on talking about us

1165
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,159
because it's it's then it becomes an extension of her

1166
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:09,199
pride thing. Like I remember when they were in Japan

1167
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,199
and she would always talk about her children and what

1168
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,159
they were up to. But it wasn't you know, it

1169
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,360
wasn't like to us, but you got that. You knew

1170
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,360
that it was because I didn't focus back on her

1171
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:20,239
right on her.

1172
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,079
Speaker 1: Interesting. That's interesting.

1173
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what to bring this full circle,

1174
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,800
My brother has done a lot of things used to

1175
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,599
do like some ghostwriting. You've written proposals for people when

1176
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I was writing books. And then he got into TV

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and he's made it. He's like very successful.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd never let anything like hold him back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, both of you.

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Speaker 2: And he's a loving husband and he's a great dad.

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Oh my god, he's like the best dad. His kids

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are super like dad focused.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there. Raquel was out of town this weekend

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and Beckett was like, I'm gonna be sleeping in your bed.

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I'm like, well, you can sleep in your bed, and

1187
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then come it's like nope, I'm just gonna sleep in

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your bed. And then Emerson was like I'm gonna sleep

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in your bed and like no, you're gonna wake up

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and you need me, then you can call me. And

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on Saturday or Sunday morning, I looked over and they

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were both like cuttled up all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they love them some. Michael.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing and interesting that you two both turned

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out to have to be great parents in the you know, considering, Well, no,

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it's true, though, you guys are great parents, and look

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at your example. You didn't have a great example obviously.

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Speaker 2: Well look at you.

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Speaker 1: You're a great parent, and you didn't have like the

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best example. I mean I had a good dad. Yeah,

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my dad and I were close.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but well is there?

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Speaker 1: How do we do? Do you want people to follow

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you on Instagram? I give a TikTok channel?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I've been trying to start a TikTok channel,

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but I do not. I have my Pella clown TikTok

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that I haven't gotten off the ground. But then Instagram,

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I have my mustache videos.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well what's your Instagram handle?

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Speaker 3: I don't have no idea. Michael Wilder sixty nine or

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I don't, but I don't know why sixty nine.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't sexual. I just think I was doing it fast, right, right,

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I think not that you should do that fast?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: This is getting bad?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm in the Facebook group.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there are some Mustache and Me videos which.

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Speaker 2: Are yes, okay funny. And that's a huge tailor swift

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that he's a swift.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're a swift.

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge swift.

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Speaker 1: Ye yes, oh that's so cute.

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Speaker 2: And he loves jewel.

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Speaker 1: I love jewel too, do you? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I've been to three of her concerts, really

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Hollywood Bowl. I just saw her in Irvine and then

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I saw her in ninety six. I was working in

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New York City, New York, and on the radio they

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were talking about how she was playing the Beacon Theater.

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So I told the bus boy to watch the restaurant

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because there was no one in there, and I walked

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all the way to the Beacon Theater and bought tickets

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to go.

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Speaker 1: Wow, oh that's so nice.

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Speaker 3: Then I became a big swiftie.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, where's your bracelets?

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Speaker 3: I have t shirts, no bracelets. And then there's a

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big picture in my girl. You've seen the picture in

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the garage, right, Yes, I have seen there was It's

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a three panel picture. Uh. Someone found it and they

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brought it to me as a gift, and Raquel was like, great,

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that's going to go in the trash and I was like, no,

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that's going to go in the in our house like

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I can in the kitchen. So we've compromised on the

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garage but yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's a that's so cool. Oh, thank you, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you for driving all the way down here.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, par and everybody, don't f it up.