Speaker 1: Made a decision a face sunny sun on I had
visione n So, what's up everybody. We have a very
special guest in studio today. Step you want to introduce
your brother, Well you just did it.
Speaker 2: Okay. My brother is here wearing a T shirt that
I bought him that says World's most Okayist brother. That's
the world's okayist brother. That says my brother, Michael Wilder.
Speaker 1: Hello, haw, it is Cherry Today.
Speaker 3: Very excited, longtime listener, first time arriving.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So I we had a we had a guest fallout,
yest minute. But I've been wanting my brother to come
on the podcast for years. I think I thought of like,
get his side of the story. Yeah, totally, of all
the stories that I've told about you get your side, defend.
Speaker 3: Your defend myself. It's time I brought receipts.
Speaker 2: But he's working. He's a big work He's a big
working man. What do you do?
Speaker 3: Like, I work in reality TV. I'm an executive producer
of reality television.
Speaker 1: What exactly is a reality TV?
Speaker 3: It's TV that they don't have to pay for writers.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah he went there. Yeah, he works on
tell like tell her your your specialty.
Speaker 3: My specialty is big families nice. So I did outdoughtered.
I don't know if you know outdoors, but it's a
family with quintuplet girls.
Speaker 1: Oh that is outdaughter.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not about daughters who are coming out of
the closet, which would have been a good title too,
and it's I was on that for like five seasons
running that, and then the network was like, you've done
six kids, let's do because they have an older sister,
let's have you do a show with fourteen kids. So
I was doing doubling down with the Doricos, which is
they have twins and triplets and quintuplets and more twins
and oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do they believing birth control?
Speaker 3: No, they love them babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Are they trying to have more always?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow yes.
Speaker 2: But it's not like a Dougger's situation. It's not like
religious based.
Speaker 3: No, they're not religious based.
Speaker 2: Okay, they just love having them based.
Speaker 3: They just the dad loves to have. They're all the
kids are named with the letter D because his name's Dion.
So all the kids are Dacian and Derek, Derek and
Dawson and Denico and yeah, wow, Yeah, Denico di Rico,
Denico di Rico.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, at least it's better than George Foreman, who named
all of his kids George True.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because my ex would make fun
of people that always had the same He was telling
Jimmy Kimmel, you know those families that always have to
have the same letter to correspond, you know, to match
or whatever. And Jimmy's like, yeah, you mean like my
parents Joan and jim and me, Jimmy, Jonathan and Jill
like us talking about us. And I was like, oh, yeah, exactly.
But yeah, I've always been jealous of these families that
have so many siblings. I always thought that might be fun.
Speaker 3: You know, it's chaotic though, it's okay, yeah, but it
also puts my parenting to shame at times because I
remember what I when I was working on outdoughdered and
they had five like one and a half year olds,
and I'd watch bedtime and they'd all go sleep, and
then I think about how my one kid would stall
for hours on end, and I was like, well, why
can they do five and I can't do one?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And the dad was like, because we have no choice,
which I get, but at the same time, I just
think it'd be yes, hillacious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound hard. How old are they now, like,
or how old were they when they were? What were
their age ranges for.
Speaker 3: The Daurricos or for the for the out daughter. So
they're they're now, God, they're one year younger than my daughter.
So they're now eight. Oh yeah, so but they we
I jumped on the show when they were one and
a half.
Speaker 1: And what do you do on the shows? Like, so
you're there with the families.
Speaker 3: So I'm there with the families, and then I go
back to post and run posts. So I go, I
go back and forth basically figure out storylines that we're
going to tell and then film that stuff and then
the back end kind of makes sense of all the
crap we shoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds fun. It is, it's it's it's a lot.
It's fun. You know, it's a lot of storytelling. Yeah,
it's a lot of figuring stuff out because like it's
just average people, right right, right, you know, so we
kind of have to help make stuff happens.
Speaker 2: Now, after you finished the last season of The Daurricos,
you did another job in the meantime, but it's not
airing yet, right.
Speaker 3: It's not airing yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, and tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's nice.
Speaker 1: Don't look alike by the way, little but not really.
Speaker 2: We have a different dad.
Speaker 1: And I've heard about the mom, heard about your mom.
Don't worry, she'll never lest your study. Yes, she's in.
Speaker 3: The car though, because we're going to bring her in
in a second.
Speaker 1: I said, great, Yeah, Stephanie next week Stephanie's mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. So, uh, tell us about that show.
Speaker 3: I did a little person wrestling show.
Speaker 2: Interesting, like a little person there's two big components to that.
It's like you could just I did a little person
show or I did a wrestling show, but it's like
I did a little person wrestling show.
Speaker 3: Yes, little person wrestling, little people wrestling show.
Speaker 2: But you loved it, right, Oh?
Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah. They were like fantastic characters. They
were really cool. It was like they were athletes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they were already doing wrestling and then somebody decides
to do a show.
Speaker 3: Yes about Yes, so they're already established and they go
around the country put it on matches.
Speaker 1: Wow, girls and guys.
Speaker 3: Girls and guys. Yes.
Speaker 2: Now is it girls against girls and guys against guys.
Speaker 3: Yes. There used to be like a couple match, like
the boyfriend and girlfriend would go against each other, but
now it's girls versus girls, guys versut.
Speaker 1: Guys, and are some of them married to each other?
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 3: The one couple is they're I think they're not married,
but they're eventually gonna get married. They have a kid together,
and then that's nice. Yeah, there's no more relationships, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's and is there a kid a little person?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's puttering around, she's you know, she's getting tall. Wow, yeah,
like taller than them pretty much. Yeah, I mean it's
crazy yeah yeah, but watching them, like like athletically, they're
doing stuff. So I went in the ring because the trainer,
who's average sized, he was always trying to get us
to go in the ring to show us because we'd
be like, hey, why don't you do this again? And
he's like, you know that hurts him, Like we know,
but we're trying to film the show. So he's like,
why don't you guys get in the ring? And I
was like everyone was like no. And then on the
last day I was climbing around inside the ring when
no one was around, and he came in and he's like,
can I can I give you one bump, which is
to knock you down on your you know, on your back.
And I was like, okay, why not? So he did it.
I have the video, but he did it in slow motion.
You can see my soul leaving my body as I
hit the mat and then I got up and I
was like, He's like, wasn't that was that bad? I
was like, Oh, it wasn't that bad. The next day
I thought, goes in a car wreck?
Speaker 1: Really, Oh God, that's kind of brutal. Yes, well, you
got to figure out how to land so you don't
hurt yourself.
Speaker 3: He told me to breathe out, but then he didn't
tell me to make sure that my neck didn't flop
against the only gave me a little bit of advice, right, right,
But he was so excited to do it.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was doing parental discretion and I
had to I got in the octagon or what like.
It was an ultimate fighting kind of thing and they
had somebody who was gonna and I had to get
in the ring and like put a Mouthguarden and it
was no joke. It was terrible. And then she pinned
me on the floor and had me in a choke hold,
and I was thought I was going to die for
a second. I was like, well, when she doesn't know
that I can't I literally couldn't breathe. And I was like,
I can't breathe and then she let me go.
Speaker 3: But serious, if you say you can't breathe, you can breathe. Though.
That's why I saw my kids. When I'm tickling them,
they say you can't breathe, It's like, you can breathe,
so right, that's true, right, so you turn blue. I'm
not going to stop right right.
Speaker 2: So you you have a thirteen year old and a
nine year old and their names no, I'm just kidding,
Emerson and Beckett, yes, and the cutest names.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we sort of just I don't know how we
came up with them. We just to keyt on them.
Beckett was I always wanted to do Beckett and then
convince my wife into that, and then at a certain
point she started changing her mind. But then when she
started calling her talking to her belly and saying Beckett,
I was like, great, We're set there, and then Emerson
we couldn't agree on because I wanted Ava. And then
right before she was going to give births, she was like,
what are we naming this baby? And I was like,
We'll do Emerson.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I liked Emerson. I like Emerson's defensive Roquel. I was
she I think she had pitched me the name, and
I was like, oh, that's really cute. And I think
she's like, Michael doesn't like it, and I was like,
he'll come around.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: By the way, Michael is like one of my favorite
male names, and Raquel is my ultimate favorite female name.
I love that name, Raquel. I wanted to name Natalia Raquel,
but I got.
Speaker 2: And they called it. They call her Rocky, I think cute,
or her mom calls her rick.
Speaker 3: Yes for some reason, Ricky rick Rick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: So my brother and I raised together, Yes, because he
my mom had him. But I was already seven. So
what's the age difference?
Speaker 2: Seven years?
Speaker 1: Okay? Got it?
Speaker 3: Seven years and five days?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that day is on July fifthies July tenth, oh, okay,
days make a difference.
Speaker 1: The other siblings, though you guys don't talk to.
Speaker 3: We have one young Well, you have a lot of
other siblings, but I have one younger sibling. Where we
have one younger sibling. That's she's two and a half
years younger than me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we don't speak to her because when So
when I stopped having a relationship with my mother and stepfather,
my brother had already not had a relationship with them
for like a year, and it so it's almost like
we all got a divorce and then like my sister
got them in the divorce, right, yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Got custody or icy. Yeah, she just sort of globed
over I guess globed over there or sort of not
sided because there was no siding. I didn't just once
it happened, I just never spoke to her again.
Speaker 1: So Icee and you Stephanie just already didn't wasn't didn't No,
I mean once once.
Speaker 2: My brother wasn't wasn't talking to them. I was very
how do I put this, I was having my own
major issues that had nothing even to do with his issues.
But then I was of course protective. We were all
having issues. And then remember, I mean, it doesn't matter
we can tell this part of the story. There was
my brother received a letter certified mail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve was it twelve or sixteen pages?
Speaker 2: Something insane amount of pages? I think one Patreon. Many
years ago. I read some of the letter and people
complained because it went on to too long. I was like, well,
it's hard to distill it down just one sentiment. So
I think we are he already hadn't been talking to him, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, because I got that letter. I got that letter
New Year's Eve of whenever, whenever the fallout happened, when
the fall that happened with me and my parents, I
was kind of like, well, that's it. And I told
my wife. I was like, that's it. We're never going
to speak again, and she's like, what, How's that possible? Like,
I just just knowing the personalities involved. And then yeah,
the last thing I got, well, I got that letter
and then I get emails later, but that letter was, yeah,
came on that New Year's.
Speaker 1: Eve and what can you tell us? What in a nutshell?
Remind us what the letter was?
Speaker 3: The letter was basically telling me what a bad son
I was, with examples and stuff like that. I don't
remember it that well because I only read it once
and then I handed it to Steff and then she
took it and has been you know, reading it.
Speaker 2: And we used to have a reading, an annual reading
to remind ourselves of how insane it was. It was
very mean. It was like a character assassination and something
to know about my brother. He's like the kindest, he's
a mensch. Yeah, yes, he has the biggest heart.
Speaker 1: You can tell.
Speaker 2: He's a good guy. He's funny and kind and like
a nice person, like a genuinely like nice person who
cares about people. And this letter was so like, what
who are you talking about? Like you and my brother
and I always like through the years, like I just don't.
Here's the thing. My stepfather is a grudge holder. He's litigious.
He likes to be in fights with people. That's what
gives him like a charge. And my brother and I
have talked about this, you know a few times. But
he also had a terrible upbringing, our stepfather, my stepfather,
But the letter.
Speaker 1: Came from him.
Speaker 3: The letter came from him, but I feel like it
was ghost written by my mom.
Speaker 2: Well, she definitely helped.
Speaker 3: She did, because there's some big words in there.
Speaker 1: God, yeah, now I remember, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you're saying that now, because when we
were reading the letter, I mean, Steph did a couple
She was like, well, that part's true, and that part's true,
and he's got a point that I remember that part
right right.
Speaker 2: I was like, let's not be hasty, just throw it
all away. It's feedback.
Speaker 3: I like it edited, you know, just someone changed a
few things.
Speaker 2: Right, constructive feedback, right, you know, we all have to
be open to that sometimes.
Speaker 3: I remember there was a point where he was mad
because he had he was wearing like a bowler hat.
What was that hat? For my wedding? He had this
crazy hat that he wanted to wear and my in
laws didn't want him to wear in the pictures, and
everybody was fighting about everything, and I was like, I
didn't care if he wore the hat or not. But
they asked for some pictures without, not that my in
laws were ever going to take pictures of him and
put them in the album, but so I asked him,
you know, could you do a few pictures without? And
that was in the letter because he was like, you
should have been honored that me and my hat made
it to the wedding. And I never even invited his hat,
Like his hat was a plus one that we know
one of those.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well he took a lot of pride in he
has never worn a suit. He called it a monkey suit. Remember,
he was like, I wasn't you wanted me to wear
a monkey suit? And he did not want to wear
He never ever wore a suit in his whole life.
He's like a you know, what do you call it?
Like an anti anti establishment guy? You know, rage against
the machine? Yes, and that included he didn't want to
have jobs or people ever telling him what to do.
But and but his big thing was like, but we
needed to respect him. There's a lot of like you
have to respect me, and what I say disorder. How
do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what a match? The ails two seem like
your mom and your stepdad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then the other weird thing is that you got
a thing. You got a beautiful pictures in the mail. Yes,
So I wanted to know what you thought about that, Michael.
I remember when Stephanie told us about this. Yeah, yeah,
well tell us what you got?
Speaker 3: Well what I got? So in the mail I walked
out of my house and there was a package for
my dad. Now, I haven't heard from my dad in
five years, and or no longer right, sixteen, I've lost track.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's been like sixteen years because I haven't.
I haven't talked to this since I was two and
she's turning nineteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had, so I hadn't heard from him, accepted
in an email. I heard an email from him in
two thousand and six or something, so that's that's my
last contact with him. And then there was this package
from him, and I was like, oh, no, I mean, like,
am I being sued or I honestly was concerned. So
I just left it there for I had to take
my daughter to Ninja class. I was like, I do
not want to open this and then have to go.
And so when I got home, I opened it up
and it was sheets, sheets and sheets. My dad's a
fantastic photographer, and it was all these pictures of me
as a baby and a toddler and it was like,
I mean, it threw me for a loop because I
don't have many, you know, we had this big break.
I don't have any pictures from my childhood, like I
have one or two. There's one picture of me and
Steph as young, when we're young, and it looks like
Elbie and my son Beckett at their age could look
exactly like that. But there's there's only a couple of
pictures I have. Suddenly I had like a flashback to
that time, and it it threw me like because I
was like, why is he sending this to me? And
what's going on? The note was kind of perfunctory. Is
that a word you could use? Like this basically matter
of fact? But yeah, I just didn't know if it
was trying to make amends. It was very it was
very strange. But then I mean, but you know, it
was kind of nice to have those pictures.
Speaker 1: Of course, hey let's take a quick break. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 2: So so he got all those pictures and he had
sent me a picture of like, hey, there's this package outside,
and I was weirded out too. I'm like, what is
what's happening?
Speaker 1: I remember this story?
Speaker 2: And then I got it and then I think I
saw somebody I don't whatever it was, I was like,
oh shit, I have it too. I opened mine first,
so I didn't want to tell him what it was.
I was like, I bet you it's the same thing.
But I was like, hey, it's not bad, and then
yeah it was. And then my brother and I have
been trying to figure out, like we were like is
he is he dying? Yeah, like yeah, weird because he
wasn't trying to make.
Speaker 3: Up with us, No, because I wrote him back. I
mean it took me a while, but I finally wrote
him back and obviously never heard from him. But I
wrote him back and just thanked him and I opened
the door because like, look, I was never going to
open the door because I know my sister and I
think we dealt with the issues I think in the
house differently. There was the fight or flight. I feel
like you fought more than I fought. Once the stuff
started happened to me, I was like, fuck it, I'm
out of here, Like I just I would just just
my high school years. I just sort of disappeared, and
I want to, you know, like, but it took care
of myself. So even when we had the falling out,
I know you kept kind of going. But it's this
relationship I want to have with mom. That's why I
knew when we had the falling out, I was like,
that's it, because my instinct is to be like I'm
out of here and I've already I'd already tried enough
so to get that those pictures, I was like, is
he is he dying? Like what you know? Like is
he trying to make amends? Is he just trying to
open the door. But so I sent that letter saying
I'll leave the door open as well if you ever
want to contact me, like, oh you did, yeah, because
I and he never did. He never did, but I
didn't think he would. But I was like, you know what, like,
I'm not I wanted to say thank you. I don't
know if there's a says, I don't know if there's
anything else to say or if there's but if you know,
if you want to reach out, you have my number
so you can call me and nothing and you put
your number in there, No, because that would be then
then you would really have my number.
Speaker 2: I was just saying it, did you put your number?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think so. I don't know he has
my number. They have my number.
Speaker 1: That's just so weird.
Speaker 3: It's weird to me, or maybe put my number sad?
It is?
Speaker 2: It's it is sad. I mean it was emotional too,
but then you also have to think my mother. They
made a choice not to speak to both of us,
and at different times it wasn't like it wasn't like
we were together and had a fight with them. It
was but they have a way or had a way
of like kind of grinding grinding, like not giving any
These are not people who ever apologized, whoever would see
their part in anything. It was like always you did
something wrong, we're mad about it, like you need you
know what I mean, Like you need to come correct,
and at a certain point you just go like I know.
For me, it was when I had a kid, and
it was like for a while, I felt like, well,
I want to keep this relationship, like you said, because
I want my daughter to have like it. It's so
sad to go, like my daughter's not going to have
grandparents because John's parents were really old right on the
East coast, and I'm like, my kid has grandparents like
right here, like a few miles from my house, Like
why would I I So for me, I was like,
I've got to make this work. So even after he
got into like a big fight with them over something
very valid, by the way, like over the way my
stepfather was talking to his wife and he had to
draw a line in the sand, and I felt for
him and felt loyal to him, but at the same time,
and I'd had a fight with them for a different reason.
But then I felt I always felt like, oh, I
got to go back. I forgot to make this work
right for your kids, for my kids. But then I
think there was a There was just a moment where
I brought Elbe to see my mom because it became
always me, always like if I wanted to see her,
like I had to slept Elbe to her and then
just to go for a walk because at a certain
point I didn't want to deal with my stepfather anymore.
So I was like, my mom wouldn't just come over
right and hang or help with the baby or you know.
So I brought her over and it was sort of infrequent.
It would be like every other week. And Elbe has anxiety,
probably since she was a baby, and I remember she
was kind of like like didn't want like my mom
reached out for her and she sort of recoiled a
little bit, and then my mom was pissed at a baby, like, oh, well,
I guess she's in a bad mood. And it was like, no,
she's not in a bad mood. She doesn't know you,
Like I didn't say that, but I was like what.
And then I was like, wow, why am I being
put in a position? And then and then she kind
of acted like Elbe was sort of a nuisance that
Albe was there because she wanted to be telling me
about something. And I I remember having this moment where
I was like, she's got hardly any toys in the house, right,
Like you hear about grandma's that are like, oh my god,
I can't wait to be a grandma, And I'm like, well,
my mom was not a great mom, but like me,
she has a doover like she can be a great Yeah,
one of those people that's like I love having a granddaughter.
I'm going to be different, you know.
Speaker 3: But it was like, but does she know she has
to be different? I think that's one of the bigger issues, right,
Like does she think she needs a do over because
she doesn't think she was wrong?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, so she I remember she had like a
set of blocks that were too kind of too old
for LB, especially when she was younger, right, but those
were for my dad. Yeah. So I just remember her
being kind of annoyed that Lbie was even there, and
it was almost like she was kind of like like,
does she have to be like she would be like
that's cute, but like now we're done with that, and
I want to like tell you about like some work story.
And I remember thinking what am I doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just so weird to me that
she lives out here, right in Los Angeles. So she
lives out here, She's got grandchildren from her daughter and
her son, and yet doesn't It's just like they don't exist. Yeah,
it's just bizarre to me. Like I don't know how people.
I understand being a terrible parent. I kind of understand that.
But when yes, like you said, it's like, now's your
chance for redemption. You live in LA. You got grandchildren,
I mean, go see them or something. But nothing, which
is weird.
Speaker 3: My dad's letter even said I thought you might want
some pictures of you as a kid to share with
your kids. So he they know because they never even
like my falling out was before I had kids, so
they've never they don't even they've never met my kids.
Speaker 2: Or or acknowledged they were acknowledged or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my god, Yeah, so but they know, Wow, And.
Speaker 2: They've never met your name name never twin twins, and
they haven't seen Elbie since she was two.
Speaker 1: So LB's the only grandchildren out of all you guys.
What about the other siblings.
Speaker 2: She has a son. We don't know if they're close
or not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, so they might not be
close either.
Speaker 3: She might not be a I think that they are,
aren't they?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Our sister is not on social media.
Speaker 1: Oh she's not on Facebook. That sucks, no, especially for you. Well, she.
Speaker 3: Had us both blocked, of course, and John blocked. I
think so because we because we look every once in
a while, you know, I'd be like, and she's not there,
and then all of a sudden, Steph looked under John's
account and founder, and I looked under my wife's account
and founder, and we're like, she purposely went to block us.
And there wasn't even anything like fascinating. It was really
boring stuff that she was blocking us from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all very very odd, especially because it
wasn't this dramatic, like our childhood wasn't even like super
dramatic or I mean, it wasn't great, but it wasn't
it right. I mean, it wasn't like horrifying like neglect
or abuse. It was just like, so it has always
been weird to us. But I do feel, and I
think my brother feels too, that the keeping up of
the relationship with them in the first place was all
work on our part.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tiring. I mean, that was the whole
Because I do talk about that. I'm like, it's not
you know, you hear about people's childhoods where you're like,
oh my god, that sounds awful and it's hard to
point to stuff. But it was just sort of like
a constant thing. It was basically the two of them together,
and you had to be in the fold. And if
you were in the fold, then you were you were
in trouble or ostracized or or you know. My dad
wouldn't speak to me for days for who knows what reason,
and my mom would back them up. So, like even
the fight we had, I got into it with him,
and then when I spoke to my mom and I
was like, look, this is ridiculous, and we had a
whole conversation. It sounded like I was getting through to
her because she was, you know, she was crying a
little bit, and she's like, I know, I hear you,
I hear you. The next time I spoke to her,
she said, you need to apologize to your dad. And
I was like, for what, and she was like, because
you you know, you were route to him and this
and that, Like, well, that's not going to happen. And
so that's when I knew, like they had gone off
and been like and that's but I was like, oh
my gosh, this is what we've been doing our whole lives,
is kind of getting back in the fold. And I
was like, I don't want to get back in the fold.
I'm good, I'm done. So I was, I was out
and yeah, and that's why I just knew at the time.
And then they like, I said, my dad sent me
an email telling me that I was whatever. And then
I guess that he was worried I wasn't reading my email,
so it was horrible.
Speaker 2: It was you're never gonna if you have kids, which
I doubt, or something like. It was basically saying that
he'll probably never have kids because he's not.
Speaker 3: It's like, that's the only reason I had kids was
to prove him wrong. In your face, Dado, I told
you that.
Speaker 2: My mom said to me when I was talking about
whether I would have another kid, and she was like,
I think you're probably somebody who should only have one kid.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember, yeah, what the hell? And so
he's your stepdad, Stephanie, but he's your biological yeah, yes,
And have you ever met Stanley, her step heard biological.
Speaker 3: I met him when I moved out here. We had
Thanksgiving together, we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he would be fun to
have Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was fun then, yes, Okay,
I don't know if he even liked me because I
was Gil's son.
Speaker 2: So my mother, I mean, I've probably been open about this,
but so my mother was married to my father for
a while, Like she met him young, and then they
were married until they had me, when she'd already been
with him like four years. Maybe she had me at
twenty three and she married him at nineteen. Yeah, so
four years, and then four years later they got divorced.
So she was with him for like eight years. The
whole time. My stepfather was a very good friend of
my father's I remember that, and lived in our guest house,
like I mean kind of looked alike.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad told me stories back in the day
when they were roommates. In New York.
Speaker 2: Uh huh where there were college roommates. They were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the he told me like one like when
the rent was due, the landlord like, hey, to my dad,
the rents do and he's like, okay, okay, but you know,
Stanley has it. And then later on he would see Stanley,
it's like, hey, the rents do. He's like, I know,
I told you Stanley has it.
Speaker 1: Like they could do that much of like uh right, right, right, right, Wow.
My mom has a type yes, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 2: When she divorced my father, I mean, I I don't know,
but he was in six months later he was she
was living with my stepfather, got it, and then a
couple of years after that they had my brother, and
then two years later they had my sister. I mean
they're still together like that. It obviously worked out.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like listen, they're not horrible people by any
they're not. They're but it was just I think that
you know, I will the way he I was. Again,
I was. They weren't great either, and we had some
chaos in the childhood, and I fought all the time.
And then my brother and my sister were young, younger
and I'm sure didn't love seeing all the screaming.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Usually the boy kind of, you know, shuts down and
just kind of leaves at some point when and the
girls are more of the feisty ones.
Speaker 3: That sounds that right, Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I
remember seeing I don't remember enough, but I remember fights,
and I remember I remember one time coming home. We
had left the four of us, my younger sister, me,
my mom, and my dad to go somewhere and then
temple Temple, and then my dad. They realized they forgot something.
They were coming home, and I had that sinking feeling
that stuff was gonna get in trouble because she was
using the stereo or whatever, and.
Speaker 2: There was a I wasn't allowed to use the stereo,
which by the way, wasn't like I was scratching records
or whatever. I was older, because if you were, I mean,
I would.
Speaker 3: Have been like, yeah, I was like niner.
Speaker 1: It was it was.
Speaker 3: It was Springfields was so.
Speaker 2: I was already like sixteen years old. Just listening to
the stereo meant pushing a button that would turn it on,
because it was like the radio or whatever. Back in
those days. I wasn't allowed to push the button because
my stepfather didn't like me and didn't want me touching
any of his. It was like that's mine, Yes, my stereo,
you can't use it. And it was the only stereo
in the house. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might have had a little bit
of a seventies mentality too. Back then. I remember my
friend's parents. It's like, oh, they weren't allowed to touch shit,
you know, like they're not allowed to like the stereo,
or don't touch the thermostat, Like who came over and
turned it down, Like, don't touch the thermostat. I don't
want that person in my house anymore. It was very
like all right, already, like my kids' friends come over
and they're running around dropping crumbs, mobile muffin. I mean,
it's a you know, yeah, it's a free for all.
Speaker 2: So you came home.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I came home and I was I was
like I had that feeling. And then there was like
they went inside and sudden there was a huge screaming
match yelling. I think it. I think it. It didn't
uh come out into the front yard. All I remember
is it's just like, yeah, that was stuff that I
would that's sad. I remember that gives you.
Speaker 1: A stomach ache, Like that's so traumatizing to kids, and.
Speaker 3: I would you know, I didn't have any of that
because like stuff says, it's not like it was horrible
and stuff like that. But it's like then when stuff
left the house, and then I became the kind of
the focal point, and I can be stubborn and I
can be you know, I have I can I can
wise off, and it just yeah, it became I became
the new focal point. But like you said, I kind
of more shut down and disappeared. I remember one time
we had to go to a couple's therapy, my dad
and I really yeah, we went to therapy and it
was basically a chance for him just to tell me
for fifty minutes how much I sucked. And I was like, okay, cool,
this is this is I don't know if this is
helping me as much as I as you think it will.
But and then we ran out of like the discount therapy,
like it was it was some deal. But they said
we can continue if we put under Michael's name, and
and then and then they were like, but you have
to pay, and I was like wait what? And so
the next time we came to the session, I didn't
bring any money, and I was like, oh, I'm supposed
to pay for this. I was like, I can't pay
for it, and so we went in and my dad
was really pissed now because he was like, we're trying
to make this work and just started bashing. I was like,
wait a second, this is what I'm paying for. So
I was like I'm out of here. I got up
and left and walked out, and I was basically just
disappeared for the whole day. And I was like downtown
Springfield and I was like go into pay phones back
in the day, on those payphones and calling my friend
to pick me up. And I was going from house
to house and I only made the mistake to go
to a house where they knew the number. So they
finally found me like twelve hours later, and they're like,
why don't you just come home and we'll talk. I'm like,
I'm not coming home. And so when I came home,
I got grounded and I was like, shit, I shouldn't
have come home.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my whole thing was he charged across the
room at one point at you in therapy. I think
he did that to me not.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not in therapy.
Speaker 1: No, he charged you in therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was forced in there when I was sixteen
when we did like a family therapy session, and he
just he had very serious anger issues, very serious angry issues,
I mean, very yelling and angry and red in the
face and vain popping out.
Speaker 1: And I was really, so, do you think this sibling,
the younger sibling, got that from him?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But when I was in because you don't you see Michael,
you seem very mellow, like I don't think he's really mellow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm raging right now, though I said something earlier
that I'm really pissed at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay later all right.
Speaker 2: When I was in therapy for myself, like at like sixteen,
I remember the therapist saying and I was always like,
I don't understand, like my whole family hates me, like
they don't like me, my stepfather hates me, and they
I am to blame for all these things. And the
therapist was like, you're what they call the identified problem,
like when there's any problems in the family, because I
was like, everybody seems perfect and they all get along
perfect except for me. And then she explained to me
this thing called the identified problem where whatever issues because
I was like, my parents, my mother and stepfather never fight, never,
and she was like, that's because whatever tensions arise, they
think they blame you for. And she said, mark my words,
when you leave the house somebody else that it has
to go somewhere. But I didn't even believe it. And
it wasn't until years later that my brother told me
about like some of the fights that he would have
because they it's in from my estimation from what I observed,
he was never in trouble. My sister was never in trouble,
like it was only me. I constantly mad at me.
If I came home one minute late, I was grounded,
like the focus was on me, So I was not happy.
But I remember being like, wait, what, Like he's like,
oh oh, we have like almost physically challenged each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to be fair. When when that time
was going on, I was perfect, So I get why
you would seen me and go he's perfect. But then
I think I became too perfect and my.
Speaker 2: Dad it just yeah right, yeah, but what did it
happen right away after I left?
Speaker 3: Or I think it happened. I mean, honestly, I think
it's part of it with him and I and I
don't know, it's just that I was growing up. You
grow up and you start to become rebellious and you're
not the little boy anymore. And I think he just
did not like, you know, you hit hit a certain
age and you sort of like talk back or you
sort of stand up for yourself, and you know, yeah,
there was that time when I was like, he had
a dark group. So the basement. The basement was my area.
That's where I watched TV. That's where I hung out.
You know, my friends would come to the window and
knock on the window to be like come on out.
Let's like, let's get out of here. So I was
never up in the main area. I was in the
basement or in my room. But he had his dark
room back there, and I was back with the box
where you had to like press the buttons for the
you know, cable, and he had it like tethered into
his dark room. So he was watching some baseball game.
I came down to my room. I was like, I'm
just going to check things. So I went to go
check something else that was on. But you had to
go like toggle ab. It was just a whole it
was a whole mess, but bursting out and he was like,
why isn't the baseball game. I'm like it's a commercial.
I'm watching it. I was like it's a commercial, dude,
Like you know, I'm just checking to see something else on.
He got all mad. He told me to get out
of here. I'm like, I don't have to get out
of here, and that became like that hole. He was like,
get out of here. So I was on the stairs
saying I'm not getting out of here, and he would.
Then that's when he was like physically trying to get
me up the stairs. And then we got into a
big altercation in the kitchen where mom had to break
us up. And I was like yeah, like that and
that's like that was like Jesus, I'm not you know,
next time, I'll just I guess I'll get out of there.
Speaker 1: Wow, so sad. You guys came out so like totally normal. Well,
one thing that was very helpful.
Speaker 2: Was having each other. Yeah, and I left when he
was pretty young.
Speaker 1: You were eleven. Did you have guilt leaving him?
Speaker 3: No, she's out of there.
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't that I didn't have. It's I felt bad.
I remember my sister, who was nine at the time,
writing me this note and saying how much she was
gonna miss me. I mean, I didn't realize that they
were actually sad. I didn't feel wanted, is honest to god.
I felt like everybody's gonna be I mean, my mom
couldn't wait to get me the fuck out. She was
charging me rent at the time, and she was like,
you cannot stay here. So when I moved, I mean,
Gil was probably not speaking to me at the time
at all. He hardly ever was speaking to me. So
I was like, everybody's gonna be happy that I'm gone.
And obviously I didn't have like a close relationship with
my brother at that time. He was a young kid.
But then I would come back home like yearly for
Thanksgiving or whatever, and he and I would talk, and
as time went on, I was like, we have like
the same sense of humor and yeah, and then we
just started getting closer, like every year. And I remember
when he graduated college. I guess I came home for
I remember that we got we really talked then, and
I was like, and we started and then we started
like more keeping in touch.
Speaker 3: You left me a letter because I was at summer
camp when you left. So I came home like I
was gone for the month, and I came home and
was I remember there was a letter from you, and
it meant a lot to me.
Speaker 1: Oh it was so nice.
Speaker 2: So keeping hard on myself.
Speaker 3: I needed the envelope. That's why I was because you
hadn't sealed it. I was like, that means a lot.
She's let me recycle the envelope.
Speaker 2: She'd take another break, Yeah, take a break. Yeah, I
think though that looking back, once my brother and I
got closer and then we moved across the country. He he,
I was already living in LA and then he moved
across the country. And then that's been very healing, you know,
to have a close relationship with him, and we've been
through a lot together and like had our had kids,
and he you know, helped me so much with my
kids and like when my when Elbie was in the
hospital when she was a little baby, and like he
was always the one I called, you know, and then
now he and his wife, you know, that's like my
first call when there was and I think vice versa,
and you know, I think I think it helped me
realize that I was capable of having family relate, you
know what I mean. It's like it's so different as
adults than it was when we were kids, right right,
and the I think some of the way we grew
up was obviously toxic and gave us both different images
of ourselves. It's hard to see yourself as somebody who
can be a great dad or be a great mom
or you know. And I think we've helped each other.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, when I looked up to stuff. I mean,
you know, you may not know that, but I looked
up to her because she was my older sister and
she was cool, and you know, when she left, I
it was always like this utopia. She was out in
La doing her thing. You know, when she started doing
stand up I watched stand up comedy all the time,
so just to like kind of bond with her through
that like that way, and she would send me tapes
and see, you know, like she got me into Depeche mode,
like I just ah, yeah, I was so cute, Like yeah,
I was. I was into I always looked up to her,
So I don't know if she ever knew that because
of the whole whatever was going on. But yeah, when
my wife, when we were dating, meeting steph was the
bigger deal for her. She knew that meeting stuff. If
she didn't get in, if Stephane didn't like her, she
was screwged. She wasn't as worried about my parents. She
was worried about what stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see funny and I liked her right away.
I was like, Oh, she's funny, Like she's funny, she's
like super outgoing. And then my brother and I, I
don't know, somehow we were going to dinner or something,
and she got very insecure because I think she thought
that I was going to tell you to break up
with her or something.
Speaker 3: I remember that we went to we went we went
out to sushi, and then I didn't know the whole time,
she was at home freaking out. And when I came home,
she was like, thought that I was going to see
Steph because I was talking about how we need to
break up and stuff like that. That's what I was
going to do. But I can't prove her.
Speaker 2: Right later, I feel like she and I talked about
it and I was like, no, he was telling me like,
oh my god, she's so amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm in love with her, Like, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: But yeah she does. Do you know the Brad story, right,
the Gina bro story.
Speaker 1: No, so.
Speaker 3: There was So Gina is her best friend. I'm sure
she'd like to tell the story at the time. So
it's fine. Gina is her best friend, her maid of honor.
And you know, all of us would hang out watch football.
And it was eighteen twenty years ago for the Super Bowl.
We're watching the Super Bowl, but no one could really
watch that year. Raquel had to go work. She was
working at the Kodak Theater and I had one friend over,
but he had to leave, so it was just me
and Gina watching watching the game. Gina notoriously gets hot.
Her her core temperature goes up. There's been many times
when she just leaves to go take a shower so
she get her temperature downe We're living in like this
not so great apartment down in like Western and Melrose,
Like there was no air conditioning and.
Speaker 1: It was just so.
Speaker 3: Raquel came home and unbeknownst to us, she had noticed
that Gena's bra was had she taken her broth and
we were just watching the game. We had like a
good time. We enjoyed the game. It was a lot
of fun. It was the Janet Jackson year. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She was trying to recreate the Genia.
Speaker 3: She's like, this is what happened. I was like, no, no, no,
this is what happened. So we kept showing Raquel that
over and over. So then but yeah, Raquel came in
and she didn't say anything, and she just went in
the back room, you know, into our bedroom, and she
just started watching uh International, house Hunters International or whatever
and just sat there. And then later we found out
that she saw the bra and thought we had an
affair and went in the back and was like all
this crazy stuff. And she told us and we're like
what but your reaction was to go in the back
and watch Internet, you know international.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's there's that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, that's funny. Yeah, Gina is married to their friend,
I know, but I was trying to I was like,
was that was Jeff? Originally? Jeff was originally Rockel's friend, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like he because he he reviewed he
reviews theater, so she knew.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they got together. Jeff is and Jeff is
my friend too that because we see them Everythanksgiving. Every Thanksgiving,
this is our core group, Jeff and Gina, Me and
John and the kids, and my brother and Raquel and
their kids. Right, And Jeff is a is a film
professor basically at community college. And he was the one
that I think I told that was like, Okay, Elbe
needs to go to community college, Like this is actually
a great thing. He's like super pro community college and
like all about how she's going to save money, and
and Elbe just like did not want to hear it.
The Thanksgiving that she was doing applications and she's like
ah blah blah blah blah. And then but anyway, Jeff's
been the one that's really helpful that like has a
really good friend that's in the transfer department that's just
like anything you need. It's he's been like a really
good connection.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. It's good to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Gena and I were friends before Raquel and I. Raquel.
Raquel and I didn't like each other at first because
we were in the same restaurant and she thought I
was she didn't like my dry humor, and I thought
she was too loud, and so we just sort of
just couldn't we just we just yeah. It was just
like she you know, she was loud. She I mean
she would walk into like the backstation, like moving to Vaginas.
I'm walk coming in person and I'm making my dry,
sarcastic remarks and She's like, I don't get dry humor,
Like you either have to say vaginas or I don't
get it right. And then we just started flirting because
because Gina would always be like, let's hang out and
I was the new guy at the restaurant and like,
let's hang out with Mike, and She's like I don't
want to hang out with Mike, and I was like, okay,
I guess. And then we just sort of started flirting.
And suddenly we were like, oh, I mean, you're loud,
but I could look I can, I can look past it.
I can I can tune out right right.
Speaker 2: She's very funny. She has come up with so many
saying I don't know where she gets it, but she
was the one who was just like, hey, you make
sack of SuDS.
Speaker 3: She also mixes up saying sometimes there was one time
she told my dad that was back when we're all obvious,
saying that, but she told him it was something was
something was so funny. He would drop dead in his
pants and we were like, it's that funny. You dropped
dead right in your pants.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: So even now I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna drop
dead in my pants.
Speaker 2: I love that she came up with calling if you
have to peek calling it, I gotta take a sizzle.
Oh I love that too. Yeah, and it's stuck. There's
so many rocks that we Yeah, you gotta sizzle. You
got to sizzle before we go, because it makes a
sizzling sound when youird it does you peek so many
things that she just naturally. I don't know where she
gets them.
Speaker 3: I don't know some of them. She just mixes them
up and then they just, you know, this come out
right and it sounds fine. It's like you just sometimes
I'm like, just don't delve too far into it. I'll
hear on phone calls and she'll do a saying, saying
and she's mixed up the saying, and I'm just like,
but she just keeps going so that if you've noticed it,
it's too late, like you and I don't. I'm just like, yeah,
just keep going.
Speaker 1: Just don't commit to it.
Speaker 3: She commits to Yes, it's impressed.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So years ago, so my brother did stand up too,
and he had some really funny jokes. Tell us the
do the cowjoke? You remember it?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's always you know I did the cow joke?
Did I ever tell you? The cowjoke is never a
good starter? I started one time with comedy my set.
It throws off the whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you know what we have to talk about. Okay,
but do the cowjoke, and then we have to tell
them the story of when you did stand up about
our parents, the friend of your parents. Yeah, well we
got to tell you the story. Okay. So you have
a cowjoke, the cowjokes, Well, it's.
Speaker 3: Not a joke. I mean, it's real, right, It's from
my life because I had a pet cow when I
was growing up. Yeah, and I really love that cow.
Like me and the cow. We did everything together, Like
when I would come home from school, the cow is
waiting for me in the mornings, the cow would walk
me to school. It was just like it was a
classic tale of a boy and his cow. And then
one time the cow went out for a pack of cigarettes,
and it never came back. That's the thing about cows,
you know, like they'll rip your heart out, chew it up,
swallow it to their first stomach, bring it back up,
trying it some more, and then you know, swallow to
the second stomach and just you just never know when
they're gonna be done with your right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will never love another cow again.
Speaker 2: So he had the he wrote these jokes that were
like about our parents.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of hippie jokes, but my parents
being hippie and my dad not having a job. So yeah,
well yeah, I'm trying to remember. Oh yeah, so my dad, like,
if you want to get a sense of my dad,
picture a guy who looks like he's from zz Top
with the big long beard minus the rock star income. Yeah,
or any income whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And if you want to picture my mom, picture a
woman who'd be attracted to a guy that looks like
he's from zz Top and has no money. So I
was doing those jokes in front of them.
Speaker 2: And then he and then a joke about smoking pot,
about pot, and yeah, where are the rolling papers?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What was that with the rolling papers?
Speaker 2: And then he was like, oh, you got to ask
your mom. That's your mom's department or something.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There was also one with like you know, my dad
would always get frustrated because they'd only bring out the
good rolling papers when company was around, but he really
couldn't say anything because he didn't pay for it. So
my mom loved all these.
Speaker 2: She has a good sense of so she no, I
don't think she'd heard them at this time. So my
parents were he was doing this a show at the improv.
We all came to see him and I was like,
what are you going to Are you going to do
those jokes because that was like a main part of mainstay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was like nothing else right, And it was.
Speaker 2: The most tense. I was like, what is going to happen?
Like these are like some intense jokes about like my
dad has no money, like doesn't have a job and so.
And they they laughed, thought it was the most the
funniest thing. That's good that they have a sense of humor.
I don't know, I don't know, but they're also very oblivious.
Like okay, quick story. My sister wrote this story. I
wish I wish this this should be more for Patreon.
But in a nutshell, my sister wrote this story worry
about some very bad behavior on her part that we
knew about. We knew that she was doing this bad behavior,
but my mom has kind of had my sister on
a pedestal. So she wrote this story that was like
if you read it, you'd be like, holy shit. But
she pretended it was like fiction. And then my mom
was like, oh my god, your sister wrote this amazing
story like ah, her imagination, you know, and it like
we were like what, like that's that's true, Like this
is how she lives her life. And my mom was like, oh,
she's the best, she's the greatest. You need to help
her get a publishing deal. Yeah wow. And it was
so she tends to not think things are right, so
she probably thought like that he was just what a
funny funny jokes?
Speaker 3: Those are just those aren't observations, right right. I do
remember my dad going to see me, just him at
one club and then afterwards, you know, I was like,
you know, you crave, like how do you think you know?
How was it? He was like, oh it was good.
The other that band that did this other thing, they
were really great. I'm like, yeah, cool, but you know,
just like I wanted more about me, but he kept yeah,
we really like that that band. I think they were good.
Speaker 2: Right, well, you know the story of me, of her
coming to see me at a show when she was
out here visiting. This is before she lived here. She'd
hardly I don't think I think she'd see me do
stand up. Like one maybe once or twice came out.
I was at the comedy store and she did not
say anything about me, and then she said, oh, that
other girl was really funny. She was talking about Lisa,
and she was like, oh, she was hilarious. And we
ended up in a fight about it because I later
I was because then I was upset. Yeah, like nothing not,
you were great. You were so funny. Oh, let's talk
about the other people. It is just as common courtesy
if you watch somebody do something, the first thing you
say is like, your thing was so good, you were
so great, that was so fun Oh, let's break down
the other thing we saw too, right right right, Like
if you went to go see John Stewart and John
Mullaney and you say nothing to John Stewart and you're
just like, oh my god, John Mullaney was Halle and
you never say anything. Even John Stewart would be like, okay,
exactly what I do. That's my mother, yes, yeah, And
later I said that really hurt my feelings, like you
never said anything, and then she still didn't. She was like, well,
I mean you know how I feel or something, and
I was like, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: So that's so that's yeah, that tracks does track well.
He they saw me in a play when in college,
and I guess my mom told me later because he
didn't say anyth to me, but he was like, was
going on about me, like like felt like I was
like de neroesque and whatever I was doing. Wow, but
not to you, not to me.
Speaker 1: See, isn't that interesting? Like they'll talk to other people
about but they don't have twitch pride or something. My
mom not say anything to you personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was always big on talking about us
because it's it's then it becomes an extension of her
pride thing. Like I remember when they were in Japan
and she would always talk about her children and what
they were up to. But it wasn't you know, it
wasn't like to us, but you got that. You knew
that it was because I didn't focus back on her
right on her.
Speaker 1: Interesting. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what to bring this full circle,
My brother has done a lot of things used to
do like some ghostwriting. You've written proposals for people when
I was writing books. And then he got into TV
and he's made it. He's like very successful.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd never let anything like hold him back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both of you.
Speaker 2: And he's a loving husband and he's a great dad.
Oh my god, he's like the best dad. His kids
are super like dad focused.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there. Raquel was out of town this weekend
and Beckett was like, I'm gonna be sleeping in your bed.
I'm like, well, you can sleep in your bed, and
then come it's like nope, I'm just gonna sleep in
your bed. And then Emerson was like I'm gonna sleep
in your bed and like no, you're gonna wake up
and you need me, then you can call me. And
on Saturday or Sunday morning, I looked over and they
were both like cuttled up all the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cute.
Speaker 2: Oh, they love them some. Michael.
Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing and interesting that you two both turned
out to have to be great parents in the you know, considering, Well, no,
it's true, though, you guys are great parents, and look
at your example. You didn't have a great example obviously.
Speaker 2: Well look at you.
Speaker 1: You're a great parent, and you didn't have like the
best example. I mean I had a good dad. Yeah,
my dad and I were close.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but well is there?
Speaker 1: How do we do? Do you want people to follow
you on Instagram? I give a TikTok channel?
Speaker 3: I don't. I've been trying to start a TikTok channel,
but I do not. I have my Pella clown TikTok
that I haven't gotten off the ground. But then Instagram,
I have my mustache videos.
Speaker 2: Okay, well what's your Instagram handle?
Speaker 3: I don't have no idea. Michael Wilder sixty nine or
I don't, but I don't know why sixty nine.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't sexual. I just think I was doing it fast, right, right,
I think not that you should do that fast?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: This is getting bad?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm in the Facebook group.
Speaker 3: Okay, there are some Mustache and Me videos which.
Speaker 2: Are yes, okay funny. And that's a huge tailor swift
that he's a swift.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're a swift.
Speaker 3: I'm a huge swift.
Speaker 1: Ye yes, oh that's so cute.
Speaker 2: And he loves jewel.
Speaker 1: I love jewel too, do you? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I've been to three of her concerts, really
Hollywood Bowl. I just saw her in Irvine and then
I saw her in ninety six. I was working in
New York City, New York, and on the radio they
were talking about how she was playing the Beacon Theater.
So I told the bus boy to watch the restaurant
because there was no one in there, and I walked
all the way to the Beacon Theater and bought tickets
to go.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh that's so nice.
Speaker 3: Then I became a big swiftie.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, where's your bracelets?
Speaker 3: I have t shirts, no bracelets. And then there's a
big picture in my girl. You've seen the picture in
the garage, right, Yes, I have seen there was It's
a three panel picture. Uh. Someone found it and they
brought it to me as a gift, and Raquel was like, great,
that's going to go in the trash and I was like, no,
that's going to go in the in our house like
I can in the kitchen. So we've compromised on the
garage but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a that's so cool. Oh, thank you, Michael.
Speaker 2: Thanks you for driving all the way down here.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: No, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, par and everybody, don't f it up.