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Speaker 2: And a very happy Wednesday to you.
Speaker 1: A little less happy because no Judge Ennan of Polatana,
Speaker 1: considering he's on vacation this week and next week. But
Speaker 1: we still get usually the Hour of Power, my favorite
Speaker 1: hour radio is, and we get Congressman Thomas Massy follow
Speaker 1: by Napolitana. I'll take half of the dynamic duol. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Congressman Thomas Massy.
Speaker 1: I love having you on the show.
Speaker 3: Well, Brian, I stirred it up in DC.
Speaker 2: You good time.
Speaker 1: Well you stirred it up. I guess you incurred the
Speaker 1: wrath of Donald Trump. I've seen the add the running
Speaker 1: against you and attacking you. It's obviously a very distorted
Speaker 1: perception of where you stand and your values and your principles.
Speaker 1: But is it a campaign? Is it an election year?
Speaker 1: Because it's sure season. It seems like when you watch
Speaker 1: televisi in the.
Speaker 3: Evening, Oh man, I you know they try to do
Speaker 3: these TV ads and put me with the squad. But
Speaker 3: they've they replaced one of the squad with the Ayatola.
Speaker 3: So I tell Rashida to leave. She's been bumped from
Speaker 3: my TV at Ayatola. But they're just so ridiculous and
Speaker 3: so over the top. But here's the thing. I hope
Speaker 3: your listeners remember. Dogs don't bark at parked cars. The reason. Look,
Speaker 3: I wasn't the only one to vote against the big
Speaker 3: beautiful bill, but I'm the only one they're running ads
Speaker 3: against because I'm I can mobilize people in Congress. I
Speaker 3: can build coalitions, and that's what I did yesterday. I
Speaker 3: put in a bill that will force the release of
Speaker 3: the Epstein files. Yeah, this is legislation, and I used
Speaker 3: a method that I learned from the Rules Committee and
Speaker 3: some people there about how to do a discharge petition. Now,
Speaker 3: this is going to get a little bit wonky, but
Speaker 3: you know, the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson's not
Speaker 3: going to bring a bill to release the Epstein files
Speaker 3: to the floor. If he was going to do that,
Speaker 3: he would.
Speaker 2: Have done it a year ago, right, I guess.
Speaker 3: So there's something called a discharge petition where you can
Speaker 3: if you can get two hundred and eighteen signatures, you
Speaker 3: can bypass the speaker and the committee chairman and bring
Speaker 3: a bill straight to the floor. And normally you have
Speaker 3: to wait thirty seven days for that to ripen before
Speaker 3: you can start collecting signatures. But I figured out a
Speaker 3: way to do it in seven days. So in seven
Speaker 3: legislative days, y'all are going to find out who wants
Speaker 3: the Epstein files released and who doesn't among the four
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five members of Congress, because they can
Speaker 3: either sign this petition to bring the bill to the
Speaker 3: floor or not sign it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I guess the big question looming in the
Speaker 1: room is why wouldn't you release them now? If you
Speaker 1: take the administration at their word, there's nothing there. The
Speaker 1: only thing in the assortment of documents is a bunch
Speaker 1: of downloaded child porn which they won't release, thank god,
Speaker 1: and they can. But beyond that, we've been listening for
Speaker 1: years and years the screams and cries about the Epstein
Speaker 1: client lists, the bribery, the extortion, the sexual abuse of miners,
Speaker 1: that it seems to be fairly well documented. There's got
Speaker 1: to be something there, So why wouldn't you just release
Speaker 1: it now? Maybe it'll be a big bubble burst for
Speaker 1: all the conspiracy theorists out there. But fine, let the
Speaker 1: bubbles burst. Here's the documents we told you, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing here. Or alternatively, let us draw our own conclusions
Speaker 1: about those who interacted with Epstein.
Speaker 3: We're entitled to have that, yes, And my legislation is
Speaker 3: carefully crafted to protect the victims, yes, And to prevent
Speaker 3: the release of child pornography. Yes, it's got an exemption
Speaker 3: for that. Don't give us that information. But one thing
Speaker 3: they're not allowed to redact is embarrassing information and specifically
Speaker 3: put that in there. And the victims, you know, they're
Speaker 3: victims speaking out. They want just as the American people
Speaker 3: were guaranteed transparency. I mean, this was part of the election.
Speaker 3: It's part of what we all voted for to drain
Speaker 3: the swamp. And so that's what my resolution will do.
Speaker 3: It'll fulfill that promise. And uh, you know, I you know,
Speaker 3: my personal opinion is he probably wasn't, you know, reporting
Speaker 3: to a cubicle at some intelligence agency, and he probably
Speaker 3: wasn't on a W two paying you know, withholding on
Speaker 3: on his salary from an intelligence agency. But I think
Speaker 3: that he was wrapped up in a collection of information
Speaker 3: about high profile individuals. Was there blackmail involved? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I certainly think that he was part of this.
Speaker 3: He was probably associated with Massad, the Israeli intelligence agency.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've got proof of that. There are
Speaker 3: court records. Back when they first declined to really prosecute him,
Speaker 3: they said in the court records that he was associated
Speaker 3: with intelligence collection.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of his former attorneys, Alan Dersher, wrote a piece
Speaker 1: for the Wall Street Journal. It showed up in today's
Speaker 1: journal inside Scoop on Jeffrey Epstein, and he addresses each
Speaker 1: of these arguments and he said, I have absolutely no
Speaker 1: doubt that Epstein never worked for any intelligence agency. If
Speaker 1: he had, he would have surely told me this and
Speaker 1: his other lawyer and his other lawyers who would have
Speaker 1: used that information to get him a better deal. Apparently
Speaker 1: the one and a half years he agreed to serve
Speaker 1: in a local jail did not resonate well with Epstein.
Speaker 1: So having information along those lines would have been presented
Speaker 1: to the court. Perhaps. I don't know, but that's the
Speaker 1: argument that Dersh. Sure it's made, but it's either true
Speaker 1: or it's not, and we should be able to know
Speaker 1: that what the hell do you make Congressman Massey of
Speaker 1: of Trump now make arguing that this is along the
Speaker 1: lines of Russian collusion of these documents and these these
Speaker 1: arguments and these these conspiracy theres were whole cloth made up,
Speaker 1: because that flies in the face of a lot of
Speaker 1: things that he said prior to now. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me, because, of course he says
Speaker 1: that knowing full well that something like what you're doing,
Speaker 1: which is passed potentially passing a bill to get these
Speaker 1: documents out there, that could end up flying if his
Speaker 1: face flying in his face, Well.
Speaker 3: Let's get the documents out there and this vet them,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, give them the light of day, and
Speaker 3: if they were made up, we can figure out how
Speaker 3: they were made up and who made it up exactly.
Speaker 3: Got the tools that are disposable disposal, The dj and
Speaker 3: the FBI are there, so let's get it all out there.
Speaker 3: To say that there's no more files and then to
Speaker 3: say that it's made up. See takes the question, wait,
Speaker 3: what what's made up that you're not sharing? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That came out of nowhere for me. I just I
Speaker 1: didn't understand why he even made that as an argument.
Speaker 1: I don't think it helps his case at all.
Speaker 3: You can go back and find you know, the Deputy
Speaker 3: Director Dan Bongino talking about these files. You can go back.
Speaker 3: You can you can find Donald Trump's children talking about
Speaker 3: these files during the election. You can find the vice
Speaker 3: president talking about these files even more recently, and even
Speaker 3: the Attorney General Pam Bondi talking about these files. Let's
Speaker 3: just get it out there and let the public decide.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sure there are some things they're
Speaker 3: still going to try to hold on to. But my
Speaker 3: my provision, my legislation has the force of law. And
Speaker 3: so people are saying, oh, well, they'll use this or
Speaker 3: that to keep from giving it to you. And we
Speaker 3: do grant them certain exceptions. If there's some thing in
Speaker 3: there that would compromise our national security, okay, don't disclose that.
Speaker 3: But everything else, it's this resolution which brings forward legislation
Speaker 3: has the force of law.
Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be interesting to see how the
Speaker 1: vote comes out. I know you're pushing forward this with
Speaker 1: the backing of Representative ro Kanna, no conservative heat Democrat
Speaker 1: from California, so you can call it bipartisan legislation. And
Speaker 1: I think it's appropriate label for it. Do you get
Speaker 1: a sense of where folks are in terms of how
Speaker 1: they're going to vote on this, Congressman Massy, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So let me give you the timeline here. Rocanna and
Speaker 3: I introduced this together. He's my co sponsor on this.
Speaker 3: I'm the lead. I can control the timing of it.
Speaker 3: But Roe is sort of person and on croda among
Speaker 3: the Democrats a lot of times too. But he assures
Speaker 3: me that he thinks most of the Democrats will sign
Speaker 3: on to this discharge petition to get the vote and
Speaker 3: this more learning. I talked with Marjorie Taylor Green and
Speaker 3: she signed up this morning. Now Jesus close as you
Speaker 3: can get to the President and Maga, she talks to
Speaker 3: President every week and so she signed onto it. That's
Speaker 3: a big step. I think. You know, all it takes
Speaker 3: is every Democrat plus four Republicans, and there's two of
Speaker 3: us already, so I think it's going to get a vote.
Speaker 3: Here's but here's what's going to happen the leadership. Once
Speaker 3: I start getting momentum on this, they want to probably
Speaker 3: deprive me of the victory, so they may introduce their
Speaker 3: own legislation or take some other action. To try to
Speaker 3: preempt what I'm doing. And by the way, it'll be
Speaker 3: seven legislative days before anybody can actually sign the discharge petition.
Speaker 3: They can co sponsor my resolution to bring up the bill,
Speaker 3: but to force it around the speaker, it takes us
Speaker 3: seven days to legislative days to get to that point.
Speaker 3: So it might we might go into the August recess
Speaker 3: without two hundred and eighteen signatures. But that'll be a
Speaker 3: great time for people to contact their congressmen and tell
Speaker 3: them when they get back in September signed the Dagon
Speaker 3: discharge petition to get the Epstein files out.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the best thing could happen
Speaker 1: of all this. We find out there is no there there.
Speaker 1: We put a stake in the heart of all the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and we move on with our lives without
Speaker 1: having to talk about it anymore. But as long as
Speaker 1: the documents are withheld, it's not going away. Congress mass
Speaker 1: applaud your efforts. Let's pause and bring it back. We'll
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Speaker 1: As a nineteen to fifty five kr SE the talk station,
Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Congressman Thomas Massey on the line, let's pivot
Speaker 1: over what you call medical malpractice martial law. This relates
Speaker 1: to something called the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness the
Speaker 1: PREP Act. This one looks really tasty, Congressman Massy, let
Speaker 1: my listeners know about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people know that vaccine manufacturers have
Speaker 3: been shielded for decades from liability. But what they're not
Speaker 3: fully aware of is there's an even worse law that
Speaker 3: shields everybody from liability during a pandemic. If the President
Speaker 3: declares a pandemic, as he did in during COVID, but
Speaker 3: we've still got like multiple pandemics, they never undeclare the pandemic, right,
Speaker 3: So what happens, for instance, during COVID is not only
Speaker 3: are the vaccine manufacturers not liable for harm they cause
Speaker 3: to know their users or citizens, neither are the people
Speaker 3: who make the masks. So if you somebody made a
Speaker 3: mask that had cancer particles on it and you inhaled
Speaker 3: the particles for six months. Too bad, they're covered by
Speaker 3: the prep BacT. The prep BacT says that during a
Speaker 3: pandemic declared by the President, nobody who makes anything to
Speaker 3: deal with the pandemic can be sued even if they
Speaker 3: cause harm to people.
Speaker 1: So a completely negligently manufactured product, like a tainted mask,
Speaker 1: there's still immune from product liability under the under the
Speaker 1: urgency use.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: The only way they can be liable is if you
Speaker 3: can prove they did it on perp with the intent
Speaker 3: to harm.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So the problem, Look, I don't like lawsuits, but they
Speaker 3: do keep corporations sort of in check. There's this incentive
Speaker 3: not to you know, harm people if you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to pay for it becomes if it becomes unprofitable, right, right,
Speaker 3: because ultimately that's what corporations are driven by his profits
Speaker 3: and making a dollar. So you need to have this
Speaker 3: these uh, these injury laws for better or worse, and
Speaker 3: it's actually for better and almost all of them are
Speaker 3: state laws. So here's why I call it the prep
Speaker 3: BacT Medical malpractice martial law. It's a federal law that
Speaker 3: says none of the state laws apply. And I think
Speaker 3: it's a violation of the tenth Amendment. There's nowhere in
Speaker 3: the Constitution that lets the federal government say that all
Speaker 3: state laws dealing with liability are null and void, because
Speaker 3: when the founder set up this country, they intended liability
Speaker 3: issues to be at the state level, and that's where
Speaker 3: they are. So anyways, my bill would repeal the PREP
Speaker 3: fact it's been around since two thousand and five. We
Speaker 3: got along just fined before two thousand and five. And
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just crazy the way that the PREP
Speaker 3: Act has been employed by corporations to shield themselves from
Speaker 3: the dangers and harms they've caused individuals.
Speaker 1: I've state the obvious on this one congressrom that, see,
Speaker 1: you were going to invite the full force and weight
Speaker 1: of the billions of dollars the pharmaceutical companies have in
Speaker 1: opposition to this effort, and I know they carry a
Speaker 1: lot of weight among elected officials in DC.
Speaker 3: Well, now you know one of the reasons. Again, you're
Speaker 3: seeing one point eight million dollars of negative ads being
Speaker 3: run against me in the Cincinnati market a year before
Speaker 3: the election. They're trying to tune me up. They're trying
Speaker 3: to put me in my place, and I'm sorry, my
Speaker 3: place is protecting the citizens of the fourth District of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: So this would be a retroactive repeal the emergency authorization
Speaker 1: for the for the COVID vaccine. Yes, wow, wow, you're
Speaker 1: in for a hell of a fight, Congressome natsin what
Speaker 1: hell of a fight?
Speaker 3: The COVID vaccine would still have immunity under the vaccine law. Well,
Speaker 3: some of the COVID vaccine, by the way, is covered
Speaker 3: by the vaccine law, and some of it wasn't. Once
Speaker 3: they got it on the schedule, it was covered, okay,
Speaker 3: but the PREP Act covered it for a while. And
Speaker 3: so I've also co sponsored a bill by Paul Gosar
Speaker 3: to get rid of the vaccine immunity thing. But you've
Speaker 3: got things like grim Dezi beer, for instance, which caused
Speaker 3: kidney failure and he killed a lot of people. It
Speaker 3: was over prescribed, killed a lot of healthy people who
Speaker 3: would have recovered from COVID without it, and that would
Speaker 3: be subject to liability.
Speaker 1: Well, it'll be interesting. I have my popcorn out waiting
Speaker 1: to see how this one unfolds. And like I said,
Speaker 1: big farm is going to throw bi millions and millions
Speaker 1: of dollars in opposition to you keep fighting a good
Speaker 1: fight on that one. Let's move over to the Prime Act.
Speaker 1: You've been working on this one for a while.
Speaker 2: I know you're a.
Speaker 1: Self sufficient farmer yourself, and you raise your own cattle,
Speaker 1: and you have it slaughtered, and appreciate the opportunity to
Speaker 1: enjoy some of that beef thanks to your gift to
Speaker 1: my son when he was out at your place. But
Speaker 1: what's the Prime Act and does it have any chance
Speaker 1: of moving through?
Speaker 3: By the way, your son helped me slaughter chickens, that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we should have. We should have. The beef are a
Speaker 3: little too hard to handle myself, so I did take
Speaker 3: them to the processors. Thanks for saving the tastiest part for last, Bryan,
Speaker 3: the Prime Act. So I'm reintroducing this bill, uh, And
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's urgently needed. I just look this
Speaker 3: fact up. Us herd inventory of cows the United States
Speaker 3: is lower than it's been in seventy three years nineteenth. Yeah. So,
Speaker 3: and why is that reason? Because it's harder and harder
Speaker 3: and harder for farmers to make a profit. All of
Speaker 3: the branchers. The profits are being made by the four processors.
Speaker 3: Two of them are four and owned that process all
Speaker 3: the meat in the United States, practically all the meat.
Speaker 3: And so what the Prime Act does is it says
Speaker 3: that as long as you're complying with state law and
Speaker 3: local health authority, and you're not crossing state lines, that
Speaker 3: you don't need the USDA to come in and send
Speaker 3: a full time inspector with their own office and their
Speaker 3: own bathroom in your small mom and pop facility in
Speaker 3: order to process meet for your friends and family and
Speaker 3: neighbors in the community. And I've got some exciting news.
Speaker 3: Not only am I reintroducing the Prime Act, which would
Speaker 3: allow it to be sold in local restaurants and local
Speaker 3: grocery stores, but I've got a pilot program for the
Speaker 3: Prime Act that's in the base text of the Farm Bill.
Speaker 3: I convinced the Chairman to last Congress to allow this,
Speaker 3: and so it actually passed through the Ag Committee and
Speaker 3: was in the base text of the Farm Bill. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the Farm Bill did not pass. They haven't brought it up,
Speaker 3: but if the Farm Bill passes, we've got a pilot
Speaker 3: program for the Prime Act. Now, it wouldn't allow you
Speaker 3: to sell it in restaurants or grocery stores, but it
Speaker 3: would allow you to to sell beef by the cut.
Speaker 3: This is the key beef by the cut and pork
Speaker 3: by the cut from a local process or directly to consumers.
Speaker 3: Right now, you have to buy half the cow to
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it crazy how micromanaged we are? And you know,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for one single Supreme Court case, the
Speaker 1: federal government would have no control over things that aren't
Speaker 1: involving interstate commerce. I mean it's Wickered versus Philbourn, where
Speaker 1: they said anything that impacts commerce in the United States,
Speaker 1: like grazing your own beef, that impacts the available beef
Speaker 1: herds generally speaking, ergo, the federal government can come in
Speaker 1: and regulated. That's a preposterous bastardization of the reality of
Speaker 1: the Constitution. This prime Act involves beef that is not
Speaker 1: sent out of state, locally processed, locally raised, locally grown,
Speaker 1: locally slaughtered, and sold within the state. So you're not
Speaker 1: even engaged in interstate commerce.
Speaker 3: Correct. So you know this is the what is it
Speaker 3: the Revenge of Wicker v. Film? Yeah? What Mike Lee
Speaker 3: calls it. I can't remember who was the defendant. There
Speaker 3: was it Philburn? Anybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Growth growing weak on his own property. If I recall correctly,
Speaker 1: and he was only using it for his own home consumption,
Speaker 1: the ultimate independent farmer doing an independent thing and not
Speaker 1: selling it, just using it for his own consumption. And
Speaker 1: that opened the door for nationwide regulations which have just
Speaker 1: gotten Oh my god, how out of control has that
Speaker 1: case created for our growing, ever growing federal government bureaucracy.
Speaker 3: It was Pandora's box. But we can put this back
Speaker 3: in the box for beef, pork, and lamb, and most importantly,
Speaker 3: create a path to profitability for farmers. Yes, so that
Speaker 3: instead of getting out of the cattle business, to get
Speaker 3: into cattle business and for consumers to buy good, locally
Speaker 3: raised beef. And by the way, it's going to get
Speaker 3: it expensive gone again you don't start doing things like this.
Speaker 3: There's no amount of money you can subsidize the beef
Speaker 3: industry with that's gonna make up for the prices that
Speaker 3: are coming. It's already twenty dollars a pound at Kroger's
Speaker 3: I've seen. And what's happening, Brian is people when you know,
Speaker 3: when you have a calf, it can be a heifer,
Speaker 3: it can be a bull, and a bull usually becomes
Speaker 3: a steer and goes into the meat part side of it,
Speaker 3: and a heifer is sometimes put into meat and sometimes
Speaker 3: saves to be a cow to raise more other cows. Well,
Speaker 3: the heifers are getting processed right now as beef, like
Speaker 3: almost all of them. So the the inventory of cows
Speaker 3: is decreasing. So it's a self perpetuating thing. Cattle, you know,
Speaker 3: running cycles, but we're an extremely long, extremely deep cycle
Speaker 3: where people are selling their broodstock into the meat industry,
Speaker 3: which is just gonna make prices more expensive. We got
Speaker 3: to get the primac pass. That's why I'm introducing it again.
Speaker 1: Well, and I imagine if somebody like RFK Junior's on
Speaker 1: your side, on his pote has pushed for local food,
Speaker 1: you know, healthy raised foods, organic foods. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're buying it from your next door neighbor farmer, I
Speaker 1: think you can put a lot of trust in that
Speaker 1: because that farmer wants a good product out there so
Speaker 1: he can support himself.
Speaker 2: This makes great sense. I hope you wont.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked to Bobby Kennedy about this. He loved it.
Speaker 3: I wish he were the head of the USDA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but.
Speaker 3: And he's doing good work over there. Of all the
Speaker 3: people battling the swamp, I think he's the one who's
Speaker 3: made it to the deepest part of the swamp.
Speaker 1: It's still not gone under Congressman Thomas Massey. Great ideas,
Speaker 1: of course, as always is the case. From Congressom Massey,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your willingness to come on the program and
Speaker 1: share your time with my listeners and me. It's an
Speaker 1: enjoyable conversation and pointing out that you're always doing the
Speaker 1: right thing for the American people.
Speaker 2: Congress from Massy, thank you.
Speaker 3: Brian. I'm sorry we're gonna miss the judge. He could
Speaker 3: weigh in on Wicker v. Silburg. He could.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that many times over the years. We'll
Speaker 1: get him up in a couple of weeks. Our next conversation.
Speaker 1: Best to health you and your family. My friend, it
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