Speaker 1: Seven oh five, the fifty five KRCD talk station. A
Speaker 1: very happy Friday to you, made extra special right now
Speaker 1: because I'm happy to welcome back. You may remember him
Speaker 1: as the mayor of the City of Cincinnati. You may
Speaker 1: remember as the Ohio State Treasurer or perhaps Secretary of
Speaker 1: State of Ohio. Also, you may know him as the politician, author,
Speaker 1: and conservative activist he is. You know I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Ken Blackwell, welcome back to the morning show, my friend.
Speaker 1: Always enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, Good to hear your voice, Good to
Speaker 2: be with you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know where you're drawing your support is
Speaker 1: usually illustrative of who's behind something or whether or not
Speaker 1: you should vote for it. It's like the company you keep.
Speaker 1: It can be reflective of one personality. There is not
Speaker 1: a single conservative outlet or well, I know there are
Speaker 1: foreign billionaires, no conservative outlet. It's all left wing organizations,
Speaker 1: groups and foreign billionaire that hands George Week's guy, who
Speaker 1: are the money behind issue Vote yes on Issue one,
Speaker 1: which is going to change the gerrymandering rules and just
Speaker 1: merely codified and hand it off to a so called
Speaker 1: independent panel of folks that is established by this alchemy process.
Speaker 1: I mean I can refer to alchemy.
Speaker 2: You've read it. Look, this is the most non transparent
Speaker 2: initiatives that I've seen in a very long time, you know,
Speaker 2: requiring up to fifty seven extraordinary complex steps to make
Speaker 2: a new electoral map. And what kids meet, Brian, is
Speaker 2: that this plan requires adding sixteen thousand, six hundred and
Speaker 2: forty three words or sixteen pages of small type to
Speaker 2: the Ohau Constitution buyers feed way.
Speaker 1: Oh mind, this is a.
Speaker 2: Paragraph like I haven't seen in a long time. And
Speaker 2: you know that chrisscrossed this country, actually chriscross the globe
Speaker 2: looking at election issues, and I will tell you this
Speaker 2: is a humdinger and it must be defeated well.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting, isn't it, Ken black Well, that they're
Speaker 1: launching this effort and throwing these literally countless millions of
Speaker 1: dollars to convince people to have yes on it, because
Speaker 1: oh I always now a red state. It's no longer purple,
Speaker 1: it's not blue. They need to They can't get their
Speaker 1: foot in the door in campaigning or on issues. So
Speaker 1: how they're gonna do it. They're gonna read, They're gonna
Speaker 1: gerryman themselves into positions of power.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Issue one creates an unelected, unaccountable commission to
Speaker 2: redraw the state's maps to favorite Democrats. Pure and simple,
Speaker 2: this could decide which party control those Congress, letting Democrats
Speaker 2: push their liberals and or even impeached Donald Trump if
Speaker 2: Americans re re electing this November. Yeah, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: this is fueled. This is funded by out of state
Speaker 2: dark money groups that are pushing this radical change in
Speaker 2: how districts are drawn in the in the in the
Speaker 2: state of Ohio, and just not only effects the US
Speaker 2: House seats, this would in fact state legislature, our Ohio
Speaker 2: state legislature seats. And so when you look at a
Speaker 2: group like this sixteen thirty fund that has already pulled
Speaker 2: more than twenty million dollars in foreign tied cash into
Speaker 2: Ohio and over six point six million for Issue one alone,
Speaker 2: you know that if, in fact it walks like a duck,
Speaker 2: talks like a quacks like a duck, it is a dug.
Speaker 1: And I wish we didn't have the SEC staring us
Speaker 1: down our faces here and kind of we could use
Speaker 1: more a more specific terminology for that one. The National
Speaker 1: Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers. I don't
Speaker 1: know what connection they have with Ohio jerrymandering, but those
Speaker 1: two organizations through a million and a half dollars at it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And before I forget it, if folks
Speaker 2: want to listeners want to know more about this, go
Speaker 2: to stop Issue one. And that's not the that's the
Speaker 2: numeral one. Stop issue one dot com. It is so
Speaker 2: important that we in fact get folks out to the polls.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Just as in the other the presidential election, we want
Speaker 2: that folk margin to be big to rig. We in
Speaker 2: fact need to stop this bad initiative.
Speaker 1: Isn't there one point in the process a senior recall
Speaker 1: where basically you're just pulling names out of a hat.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just going to tell you I've seen I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of political trickery in all of my
Speaker 2: seventy six years. But let me tell you this again.
Speaker 2: This is so non transparent, so confiluted, so almost just
Speaker 2: playing stupid, But it is in fact they are dead
Speaker 2: serious in trying to pull the world over old House.
Speaker 1: Voter's eyes well, and the other component of it, and
Speaker 1: really what offends me the most. I mean, people might claim, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can vote people out of office, but you got
Speaker 1: to wait a couple of years for that, you know,
Speaker 1: comment's always end up getting re elected anyway. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a problem, it's our fault. But there's a form of
Speaker 1: accountability when you have an election. My understanding is that
Speaker 1: no citizen of the state of Ohio can contest the
Speaker 1: whatever redrawing, whatever legislative map that this committee comes out with.
Speaker 1: The zero accountability, you can't go to court. At least
Speaker 1: some of the current system. Yes, they have been challenged
Speaker 1: in court. Yes, redistriction has been found to be unlawful
Speaker 1: for a number of different reasons. They go back to
Speaker 1: the drawing board and they come up with a new
Speaker 1: one and that gets challenging Courdant's either approved or not.
Speaker 1: But at least there is a form of accountability. We
Speaker 1: got nothing here, do we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't. And it's always been confusing to me
Speaker 2: how people actually want to take politics out of politics.
Speaker 2: There's no way that you can put together a commission
Speaker 2: and then insulated, isolated, protected from accountability, and think that
Speaker 2: you know, a group of politicians actually haven't you know,
Speaker 2: concocted this, you know, And so what we have now
Speaker 2: and you just mentioned it. You know, we have a
Speaker 2: system that voters put in place and that voters can
Speaker 2: use to hold elected officials accountable, period, and they want
Speaker 2: to change it. You know, you talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: empowering the administrative state. This is that notion on steroids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this would completely radicalize and oretically change the old how
Speaker 2: political governing model without the input of accountable citizens and
Speaker 2: elected officials. And it's just plain dangerous it is.
Speaker 1: And that's the point of it. I mean, you just
Speaker 1: summed up the reason they want it passed. It's absolutely shame.
Speaker 2: But we have to go out and vote no on
Speaker 2: Issue one and protect our state and our elections from
Speaker 2: foreign billionaires and their liberal cronies in Columbus.
Speaker 1: Amen to that Stop Issue one, the number one stop
Speaker 1: issue one dot com. You get all the reasons. Why.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, And I'm not suggesting Ken
Speaker 1: blackwhether you can climb into her head and know what
Speaker 1: the hell she's doing. But former House Supreme Court, just
Speaker 1: as Maren O'Connor came out and said vote yes on
Speaker 1: Issue one, any idea what's going through her mind or
Speaker 1: is it.
Speaker 2: Just a you know, I just think she has a
Speaker 2: bone to pick and Marin is a friend, but on
Speaker 2: this one we are bumping heads and it's just a bad.
Speaker 1: Idea, bad idea. If you need any convincing just look
Speaker 1: at the list of supporters. It's page after page after
Speaker 1: page of every left wing organization you can come up with.
Speaker 1: And then again fundamentally to the point, what does a
Speaker 1: Swiss multi billionaire who funds progressive left wing causes around
Speaker 1: the globe have to do with the state of Ohio?
Speaker 1: And why is he willing to commit twenty five million
Speaker 1: dollars to this effort? That's crazy right there.
Speaker 2: It really is. You know, commissioners appointed by judges and
Speaker 2: which have been aided and abitted by a private hiring firm,
Speaker 2: and this amendment gives the commission a constitutionally guaranteed blank
Speaker 2: check for any legal expense, without legislative oversight and no accountability. Man,
Speaker 2: this is bad.
Speaker 1: It is really bad, point after point after point after point.
Speaker 1: And plus you know, a law degree, seven years of
Speaker 1: college and a law degree plus fifty nine years of
Speaker 1: existence on the planet still don't really quite get it
Speaker 1: as I've read through it, Ken, it is a monumental.
Speaker 2: Mess to get out and vote no get out quote.
Speaker 1: Thank you Ken Blackwell for speaking succinctly on the issue
Speaker 1: stop Issue one dot com. Ken, I look forward to
Speaker 1: our next conversation. You keep up the great work, my friend.
Speaker 1: Love you, brother, take care, Love you too, Man seven
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