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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Vick for the astounding honor to be
Speaker 1: here with you and everyone tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, the honor is all mine. We really appreciate your time. Kevin,
Speaker 2: please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I am a father of six children. I've been
Speaker 1: married for twenty years to a wonderful wife that has
Speaker 1: taken care of a lot of stuff. I live in Sharon, Wyoming,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a nestled against the backdrops of
Speaker 1: the big worn mountains.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a beautiful place. It really does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has a lot of history to it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when I'm not taking care of elderly residents, I also
Speaker 1: am I'm kind of halfway retired paranormal investigators. So that's
Speaker 1: been keeping me busy for off and on throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it has been. You produce a paranormal
Speaker 2: theme podcast, Kevin, is your dog me an encounter that
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about tonight. The reason why you
Speaker 2: created it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, technically that whole encounter sparred a whole what
Speaker 1: if situation, But yeah, it's it's the main reason I
Speaker 1: like to try to reach out to people and figure
Speaker 1: out on the ends and outs of these type of things.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much you thought about it, but
Speaker 2: you were definitely affected by your encounter, compromised in certain ways,
Speaker 2: and by you creating that pure normal theme podcast. I
Speaker 2: think that's probably helped you, has it.
Speaker 1: Yes and no, To be honest with you, When the
Speaker 1: encounter happened, it became a core memory. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the type of guy that you know, I could
Speaker 1: feel comfortable in a cemetery or you know, an advanted place,
Speaker 1: or you know, somewhere with really bad historical factors to it.
Speaker 1: But there was just something about that whole situation that
Speaker 1: just kind of shook me to the core and kind
Speaker 1: of stayed with me for all these years.
Speaker 2: See, that's a funny thing about dog being encounters. You
Speaker 2: take this person over here, who before they have the encounter,
Speaker 2: you would think that, Okay, if they have an encounter,
Speaker 2: they're gonna just deal with it so well. But this
Speaker 2: person over here with those qualities doesn't deal with it
Speaker 2: all that well. But this person over here, who you
Speaker 2: think would fall apart after having an encounter, even a
Speaker 2: bad one, they don't. You never really know. It's just
Speaker 2: one of those things. You never know how an experience
Speaker 2: like that is going to affect you until it happens
Speaker 2: to you. But you are doing well, So as long
Speaker 2: as we can say that, then you know, let's play
Speaker 2: the glad game. Please tell us about your podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, I am a host of a podcast called Nature's Darkest.
Speaker 1: It's a podcast dealing with paranormal events, activities, strange weather events,
Speaker 1: missing people. It's just kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2: One of the things that comes along with doing a
Speaker 2: podcast like that, a paranormal podcast where you talk about
Speaker 2: ghosts and demons and other haunted areas, things like that
Speaker 2: that most people who listen to them don't even think about,
Speaker 2: is sometimes there's blowback that comes along with doing that.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes if you speak with hosts who post
Speaker 2: shows like that, behind the scenes, they'll tell you about
Speaker 2: strange things that happen to them while they're hosting shows.
Speaker 2: Most of them don't seem to come forward and talk
Speaker 2: about that sort of thing, but it definitely does happen.
Speaker 2: As you've been hosting episodes of your show, has anything strange.
Speaker 1: Happened, Well, not really. It's just mainly just me talking
Speaker 1: about my experiences and dealing with the paranormal. Every once
Speaker 1: in a while I'll do like an interview, but no,
Speaker 1: nothing like that has really affected the podcast as anything else.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just just coming about the topics. Really,
Speaker 1: we're still trying to figure out our voice and our
Speaker 1: format and stuff, and podcasts came a long way, but
Speaker 1: it's not there yet.
Speaker 2: Well, it takes time and everyone listening. If you want
Speaker 2: to check out Kevin's podcast, of course, I'm going to
Speaker 2: post a link to it in the description for tonight's show.
Speaker 2: That'll make it really easy to find. But back on
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, Yeah, a perfect example Art Bell.
Speaker 2: He talked about that how he would be hosting episodes
Speaker 2: of his show and things on the desk would start
Speaker 2: moving around. So that's a perfect example of what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. Now. One thing I don't understand Kevin is,
Speaker 2: like I said, you were compromised and you still are compromised.
Speaker 2: By your dog mean encounter. But you still waited about
Speaker 2: three months to contact me after you found out about me.
Speaker 2: Why'd you wait?
Speaker 1: Well, first, I'm the type of person that likes to
Speaker 1: do the research. When I was initially looking to reach
Speaker 1: out to people, it was I just used Google and
Speaker 1: typed in dog man books or media and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and that's where I came across you, and I started
Speaker 1: listening to your wonderful podcast. And the reason I waited
Speaker 1: so long is because I wanted to hear what other
Speaker 1: people had to say about their encounters and I kind
Speaker 1: of had to compare it. And then one night, at
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 1: just need to get a hold of this guy because
Speaker 1: it's like, obviously the platform that he has, he has
Speaker 1: a vast knowledge about these things. So sorry, I'm a
Speaker 1: little nervous.
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't feel bad about that. I've had people
Speaker 2: come on the show to have their own podcasts, just
Speaker 2: like you, people who have had their podcasts for years
Speaker 2: and years, and they get so nervous you can almost
Speaker 2: hear them shake. So it's not unprecedented. It's not just
Speaker 2: you now, Kevin, you still can't head into the woods
Speaker 2: by yourself all years later. Do you think you're ever
Speaker 2: going to be able to head into the woods again
Speaker 2: by yourself? Someday?
Speaker 1: I would like to. I would really would appreciate just
Speaker 1: being out there camping with my family and not being
Speaker 1: on edge. I you know, it's it's a slow, steady process,
Speaker 1: but it's I'm beginning to pretty much heal from that experience.
Speaker 2: Well, as long as you can say that, that's a
Speaker 2: good thing. Like we talked about the other day, baby steps,
Speaker 2: don't rush it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that you mentioned it. It was like just
Speaker 1: the other night or a couple of days ago, there
Speaker 1: was northern whites that was reported over at Sheridan. So
Speaker 1: I kind of took my family out to the snowboll
Speaker 1: Bill Turnouts, which is just kind of at the base
Speaker 1: of the big Warre Mountains on the south side of Sheridan,
Speaker 1: and it was it was actually nice, you know, to
Speaker 1: be able to look up at the night sky and
Speaker 1: see all the stars and be a part of eature again.
Speaker 1: It felt nice.
Speaker 2: Well, that's really good. I'm glad you're able to do
Speaker 2: that now. Living where you do by the Big Horns,
Speaker 2: is it mostly open plains or do you have a
Speaker 2: lot of forests around.
Speaker 1: What does it look like, Well, a lot of prairies,
Speaker 1: a lot of foothills. But we are at the base
Speaker 1: of the mountains. There are quite a bit of forests
Speaker 1: even in here in town and Sheridan, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot more the closer you get to the Big Horn Mountains.
Speaker 1: It's usually green for the most part, except for like
Speaker 1: in August, where it's all dried out. But it's beautiful
Speaker 1: country there really is.
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely sounds like it, all right, Kevin, Please
Speaker 2: tell us about your experiences. Now give us a ver
Speaker 2: last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, my first encounter happened. I'm not really sure
Speaker 1: on the dates, but it was between two thousand and
Speaker 1: one and two thousand and three. Because of the nature
Speaker 1: of my how I make an income, I usually work
Speaker 1: like nights. But this particular night, I got off about
Speaker 1: I would assume about eleven, and I was going out
Speaker 1: of Sheridan on Big Horn Avenue, which is a road
Speaker 1: that goes south. And as I was going south on
Speaker 1: Big Horn Avenue, I saw this object come across the road.
Speaker 1: So I slowed down because I didn't want to hit it.
Speaker 1: Because first you know, I was thinking maybe it was
Speaker 1: a deer, but then I turned my brights on and
Speaker 1: come to find it wasn't a deer. What I saw
Speaker 1: was it was about from six to seven feet all.
Speaker 1: When I first sawt, it was hunched over on all fours.
Speaker 3: The fur or hair was completely all white. The back
Speaker 3: part of its legs were more like dog legs, but
Speaker 3: the torso and the forearms and the pies and the
Speaker 3: shoulder area was was It looked like a human.
Speaker 1: It was a humanoid. When I started looking at it
Speaker 1: even more, it had really long forearms. I mean, these
Speaker 1: things were unnaturally long. It had had a husky tail,
Speaker 1: you know how the husky tail kind of curves up
Speaker 1: and kind of has the hair. This thing was white.
Speaker 1: I mean it was literally white. It was muscular, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't like like a male muscular. The head which
Speaker 1: really took me off because while I was staring at this,
Speaker 1: it actually stood up and turned its torso towards me
Speaker 1: so I could like really get a good look at it.
Speaker 1: The ears on this was extremely long. They were kind
Speaker 1: of between the top and the mid It like moved
Speaker 1: its sears like on how a wolf or a dog would.
Speaker 1: But the muzzle on this thing was it was pretty
Speaker 1: it was pretty long. It didn't like smarl or anything
Speaker 1: at me, but it definitely looked at me and like
Speaker 1: and gave me the look like I was sitting in
Speaker 1: my car, like I said, and this thing just looked
Speaker 1: at me and like, don't you come any closer? And
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at this thing. And then it just
Speaker 1: kind of like realized I wasn't no threat, and then
Speaker 1: it went back onto all fours. But it jumped from
Speaker 1: the middle of this freeway to the shoulder, and then
Speaker 1: from the shoulder it jumped over a four foot barbar
Speaker 1: fence and ran into the field. There's houses now in
Speaker 1: the field, but at this time it was it was
Speaker 1: kind of connected to the airport, so there was a
Speaker 1: lot of vass very still available. And when it started
Speaker 1: running off into the field, it was like it launched
Speaker 1: itself from its forearms and then the back end legs
Speaker 1: kind of came underneath of it and pushed off. But
Speaker 1: this thing was quick. It disappeared into the darkness really quick,
Speaker 1: evening considering it was white. But I was just kind
Speaker 1: of left there, you know, kind of stunted because it's like,
Speaker 1: what did I just see. And so I continued driving
Speaker 1: out to my friends's house and she looked at me
Speaker 1: at the time and she's like, what did you see?
Speaker 1: And I told her at the time, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a wearwole. I didn't know that at this time
Speaker 1: the dogmen were a thing. And so I sat there
Speaker 1: and I described it, and I didn't fall asleep that night.
Speaker 1: She just want me to stay out there because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I was literally shaken to the core because
Speaker 1: I you know, I used to watch horror movies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but this was real life. This was legit.
Speaker 1: This was you know, this was not a hallucination. This
Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, this was you know, I can remember it.
Speaker 1: Getting back to the point to the describing. You know,
Speaker 1: it had muscles, but it didn't have like male type
Speaker 1: of muscles. It was kind of a leaner type muscle.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like this bulky, heavy bodybuilder mass. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it still had muscle tension and definition, but it was
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like I almost kind of want to
Speaker 1: think it was like almost like a like a female
Speaker 1: thought man, because it just I mean, it was it
Speaker 1: was an imposing specimen regardless, but it was still it
Speaker 1: wasn't like some other reports that were given that it
Speaker 1: was like like a man. So I mean, even to
Speaker 1: this day, it was like like I said, it became
Speaker 1: a core memory and for the longest time, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to stop watching certain horror movies. I couldn't
Speaker 1: go you know, I didn't even want to venture out
Speaker 1: after when it got dark anywhere. You know, Sheridan is
Speaker 1: not as populated as some other areas, and it took
Speaker 1: a lot for my wife to get me out, even
Speaker 1: for the longest time, to just get into a car
Speaker 1: and just drive out in the country because I'd always
Speaker 1: roll the windows up and lock the doors, and you know,
Speaker 1: it took a long long time for me to you know,
Speaker 1: process and even to this date it's it's not as
Speaker 1: terrifying because I know what it was, but it but
Speaker 1: having that misunderstanding, that fear, because people fear what they
Speaker 1: don't understand. And I definitely heard this thing for a
Speaker 1: very long time. I remember having night terrors that I
Speaker 1: would be dreaming about this thing. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it wasn't aggressive, but it was it was just a
Speaker 1: proof of something else out there that existed.
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Speaker 1: So, as I informed you, I'm a semi retired paranormal investigator.
Speaker 1: So when people come to me with their situations, you know,
Speaker 1: they you know, they think I'm going to think they're
Speaker 1: crazy or something. But my second one was estimated between
Speaker 1: twenty ten and twenty sixteen, and this happened at the
Speaker 1: southern end of Sheridan County. The person that reported I
Speaker 1: work with her at at the place that I work at. Obviously,
Speaker 1: she she told me about her experience where she used
Speaker 1: to live on this really large ranch and she grew
Speaker 1: up on this ranch. So this lady knows what local
Speaker 1: lawdlife sounds like, what it looks like, what it you know,
Speaker 1: she can She used to take care of cattle and
Speaker 1: they would used to rent some of the area out
Speaker 1: for cattle, and she was in charge to make sure
Speaker 1: that the cattle are safe and secure and that they're
Speaker 1: all accounted for well. Strange things started happening in one
Speaker 1: of the areas that they had this little river and
Speaker 1: swamp area and then they called it the beaver area
Speaker 1: because they had a little beaver dam. But what was
Speaker 1: really interesting is that they had this burrow that was
Speaker 1: inside of I would say, you know, a large land mass,
Speaker 1: like a gulch or something a goalie. And every once
Speaker 1: in a while she would go out and take count
Speaker 1: of the cattle. But which was really interesting is when
Speaker 1: she would do that every once in a while, it
Speaker 1: wasn't all the time, but there would be a cattle missing,
Speaker 1: and eventually they would find like a carcass, and she
Speaker 1: told me that it didn't look like your tipped coal
Speaker 1: black bear or cougar or coyotes that would have done
Speaker 1: this through the cattle. In one particular memory that she
Speaker 1: had shared that her and a relative were on the
Speaker 1: back of a four wheeler. They were going out to
Speaker 1: go fix some fences and it was probably she said,
Speaker 1: it was kind of late at night, and they drove
Speaker 1: past the beaver pond and they were kind of going
Speaker 1: up a hill. She described something that was seven feet
Speaker 1: tall black had an amber eye. It stood by Petle
Speaker 1: and she told me that it literally started running after
Speaker 1: her and her family member back on a ATV. I'm
Speaker 1: not a ranch kid, believe it or not, even though
Speaker 1: I grew up in Sharon, Wyoming. But she said that
Speaker 1: it started running bipedale And at this point in time,
Speaker 1: I asked her she got a good look at it,
Speaker 1: and she said it was it was muscular, it was black,
Speaker 1: it was you know, she was describing a dog man basically.
Speaker 1: But as getting back to the whole scenario, that as
Speaker 1: soon as they started flooring the ATV, this thing got
Speaker 1: on all fours and started chasing after them. I was
Speaker 1: kind of kind of awestruck at that because ATVs can
Speaker 1: go like, I don't know, maybe forty fifty miles per hour,
Speaker 1: and it kept up with them. She eventually said that
Speaker 1: it beer to the left and went into some of
Speaker 1: the birch woods and climbed up a tree and that's
Speaker 1: that was the last time they saw saw this thing
Speaker 1: at that point. So, but her family members at this
Speaker 1: ranch always told her, you know, never go out. You know,
Speaker 1: of course, they're out on a ranch and there's other
Speaker 1: animals to be worried about. They were it almost kind
Speaker 1: of sounded like they were taking extra precaution because of
Speaker 1: this thing. And it seemed like more than one family
Speaker 1: member had seen this thing. But they never they never
Speaker 1: found any tracks, They never found anything abnormal other than
Speaker 1: you know, just having account of go missing every once
Speaker 1: in a while. They did have some They had some
Speaker 1: like deer and elk. Eventually sometimes moose comes in and
Speaker 1: sometimes they those animals would like will be on high
Speaker 1: guard because of like like a big predator, like a
Speaker 1: bear or something. But they were noticing that there was
Speaker 1: almost little to no bears that were coming into the territory.
Speaker 1: So this this was this thing was spotted off and
Speaker 1: on throughout I don't know, probably I would assume about
Speaker 1: maybe six eight years time span until they had to
Speaker 1: move away from the from the ranch. And the woman
Speaker 1: that reported it to me said that she has not
Speaker 1: experienced anything. She hasn't heard anything. The ranchers are kind
Speaker 1: of a tight knit community, so they're not going to
Speaker 1: like totally reach out and dr reports of something like this.
Speaker 1: They would be more than willing to handle this situation themselves. Unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this black one spotted up and it was, like
Speaker 1: I said, this was a very large ranch. It was
Speaker 1: one of the largest rants on this side of the mountain.
Speaker 1: But a lot of other family members had, like I said,
Speaker 1: they experienced something, but they wouldn't like be totally were
Speaker 1: coming on what they said or what they've witnessed. But
Speaker 1: my friend actually thinks that there is a dog man
Speaker 1: that lives on the property somewhere on the southern end
Speaker 1: of Sheridan County. So the next one, again was reported
Speaker 1: to me, was on a mountain side above Buffalo. Now
Speaker 1: Buffalo is about thirty minutes away car wise. This one
Speaker 1: was a little bit more. It was more sensitive because
Speaker 1: the person that was reporting to it unfortunately had his
Speaker 1: truck damaged at the point, so when he reported it,
Speaker 1: he waited two years to get a hold. Well, he
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that I was doing all this, but
Speaker 1: when he found out that I kind of look into
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, he brought his truck to me,
Speaker 1: and it was a Ford F one point fifty, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a medium sized truck. And when he
Speaker 1: was describing his details that he was parked up on
Speaker 1: this mountain range and he was just camping up there,
Speaker 1: just trying to just get away from everything. He encountered
Speaker 1: what he reported to me was a howl. And when
Speaker 1: he reported the howl, it was it was something deep.
Speaker 1: It was like like it was like a low Bilibert's type. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a it was just a
Speaker 1: very low, low howl. It made a very low noise.
Speaker 1: It's like he could actually feel it physically. So in
Speaker 1: a nutshell, he ended up trying to get out of there,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately he I wasn't really sure if there was
Speaker 1: one or more of dog men up there, but they
Speaker 1: ended up clawing his truck. And the way that he
Speaker 1: was describing to me, it was like if they really
Speaker 1: wanted to get to him, they could have done anything
Speaker 1: possible to get to him. I mean, there was glass.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seemed like they were just concentrating
Speaker 1: on just trying to make a scene and let him lean.
Speaker 1: He thinks that they were trying to get him, of course,
Speaker 1: but I'm after telling him, I'm going over the evidence
Speaker 1: his truck ended up. He ended up buffing most of
Speaker 1: it out because he just didn't realize to document that.
Speaker 1: He still has a few scratches and tears into the
Speaker 1: bed of the act truck, and I took when he
Speaker 1: pulled up the truck. I actually took out a measuring
Speaker 1: tape and I, you know, I threw on the hood,
Speaker 1: like like where the cab is. There is like literally
Speaker 1: a five foot long scratch on top of the roof
Speaker 1: of the truck. So I measured that. I measured the
Speaker 1: length versus the width, and it wasn't a bear. Bears
Speaker 1: kind of having a unique pattern their claws are together.
Speaker 1: These scratch markses were more far apart, and they were
Speaker 1: more more than probably I'm gonna have to look at
Speaker 1: the pictures again, but they were like between five to
Speaker 1: seven inches apart. That that's wider than any black bear
Speaker 1: that we will have. So with that and with that
Speaker 1: until considering it was two years go, we decided to
Speaker 1: go back up where this event happened and we started
Speaker 1: taking photographs of of some of the trees, and it
Speaker 1: looks like we got a decent sized print, like a
Speaker 1: backfoot print. So I ended up keeping that I'm not
Speaker 1: a wildlife expert. I can't really say for sure what
Speaker 1: it could be. But when I when I tried to
Speaker 1: put some type of measurement in it, I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm five foot eight, about one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five pounds. I can put my finger down into it
Speaker 1: and went up to my knuckle. So something really heavy
Speaker 1: had to like press to make this print. So it's it's,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have anything really to go by,
Speaker 1: you know, comparing legitimate print because you know, I I
Speaker 1: tried to cross reference the information that I had, you know,
Speaker 1: on other online services, and there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that I just can't trust. So I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I could probably send that to you, Vick,
Speaker 1: if you're interested in it.
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for offering to send that, But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not a researcher, So as long as you're doing okay,
Speaker 2: that's all I care about.
Speaker 1: Well, that brings to my last one happened this year. Actually,
Speaker 1: this was kind of I was recording a part of
Speaker 1: my podcast when we were talking about you know, ghosts
Speaker 1: and spirits and apparitions in a town called at Me.
Speaker 1: It's no longer existing, it's a ghost him. So the
Speaker 1: person that I was kind of like having them sit
Speaker 1: and talk to about his experience, we decided that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to pause and we're going to go out
Speaker 1: and you know, get back into you know, field research.
Speaker 1: So we go out out to acme and then we
Speaker 1: were conducting you know, just normal photograss videos, audio recordings
Speaker 1: and stuff like that just around the only building out
Speaker 1: there now is a power plant, and we were just
Speaker 1: outside and just trying to you know, get evidence of
Speaker 1: the paranormal and we're about to call it. And so
Speaker 1: there have been reports of dogmen out there for quite
Speaker 1: some time. You know. Again, I thought, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it was just urban legend, you know, a lot of hogwash,
Speaker 1: but I really didn't, you know, take too much consent
Speaker 1: in it. So as we were wrapping things up, my
Speaker 1: wife and one of my sons heard a howl and
Speaker 1: it was like ling in the distance. My son never
Speaker 1: really encountered any of this type of stuff before, but
Speaker 1: apparently he got a legitimate look on us. So we
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. They just heard a howl and I
Speaker 1: wasn't a wolf, but it wasn't coyote. So we made
Speaker 1: the collected decision that maybe it was a full moon
Speaker 1: at that time to just get up and just get
Speaker 1: on out of there, because we just didn't want to
Speaker 1: encounter anything else other than what we were intending to encounter.
Speaker 2: I'm sure with all the work you've put into researching
Speaker 2: dog men that you know that some people claim there
Speaker 2: is a connection between dog men and the pure normal.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that. Do you think dog
Speaker 2: men are pureanormal beings or do you think for the
Speaker 2: most part, they're just flesh and blood animals.
Speaker 1: Well, I would like to think that they're question blood,
Speaker 1: but I don't have enough data to say one way
Speaker 1: or the other right now. It's it's really hard to say,
Speaker 1: it really is, because it's like, for the longest time,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought these things were war wolves, and
Speaker 1: here I was thinking that, you know, there's this huge
Speaker 1: conspiracy of these colony of war wolves around Sheridan. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad I was wrong about that. But
Speaker 1: as for these you know, the deeper that I looked
Speaker 1: into it, these things are far more mysterious than anything
Speaker 1: else that I haven't absolutely encountered, because you know, there's
Speaker 1: just so much information out there that kind of like
Speaker 1: as soon as you think you get the answer, semi
Speaker 1: witness encounter or some other bits of information comes up
Speaker 1: and then you just have to rethink everything. You have
Speaker 1: to like take it back from point A and work
Speaker 1: your way back, and you know, I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I hope they're biological. They would be easier to you know,
Speaker 1: to study. I mean if they can be studied. If
Speaker 1: they can, they need to be protected by all means.
Speaker 1: They these things need to be to be to be
Speaker 1: protected in any shape, way or form. But if they're
Speaker 1: not biological, and your guess has got as good as mine, Vic,
Speaker 1: because I really don't know. I, like I said, as
Speaker 1: soon as I come across some information and I think
Speaker 1: they're biological, there's just that one little head up that
Speaker 1: makes me just have to restart over and rethink. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could be and for dimensional they could be, they
Speaker 1: could be anything. They could be. I don't think they're tolpless, though,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I don't think that they are.
Speaker 1: I think these things, you know, they're they're very stealthy.
Speaker 1: They you know, they have some encounters. They have these
Speaker 1: interesting traits that kind of cross over into the supernatural,
Speaker 1: like stealth or you know, they're already strong. They're intelligence,
Speaker 1: they have agility, they're like even if it's an a
Speaker 1: biological aspect, these things would be like the perfect specimen
Speaker 1: for whatever if they are biological, just by giving reports
Speaker 1: and just doing mathematics with anatomy of wolves, a dog
Speaker 1: man's vein is larger. I think it's four and a
Speaker 1: half to five inches in length. So when I brought
Speaker 1: that attention to some of the professionals here in sharing
Speaker 1: without saying that it was a dog man, a paleontologist
Speaker 1: said that these spins were larger than a dire wolf,
Speaker 1: which is an extinct species of woolf So that's something
Speaker 1: I'm trying to break down, you know, the anatomy and
Speaker 1: physiology of a dog man. But without having concrete, hard
Speaker 1: evidence of any sort, Yeah, that's going to be hard
Speaker 1: to prove one way or another.
Speaker 2: You were saying that the dog me and you saw
Speaker 2: had things about four inches long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, at the moment, in the heat
Speaker 1: of the moment, it's not like I was able to
Speaker 1: go out and measure, you know, ask it politely if
Speaker 1: I could measure its things. But it compared to the
Speaker 1: rest of the body and the length of this now,
Speaker 1: it definitely looked like the things were like four and
Speaker 1: a half to five inches in length. And like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I took the measurements to a palaeontologist that
Speaker 1: had worked here at Shardon College, and he told me
Speaker 1: that if what I wasn't indeed true on the length,
Speaker 1: it would be longer than a dire wolf, which is
Speaker 1: like really interesting because in the in paleontology, the dire
Speaker 1: wolf was an apex predator that lived in North America
Speaker 1: and it had a bite force over two thousand psi.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of kind of hard for
Speaker 1: the mind not to wander off on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't give you all the warm and fuzzies
Speaker 2: thinking about that, teeth that big and being able to
Speaker 2: bite as hard as a inevitably can bite. You said
Speaker 2: that you think that they're flesh and blood creatures. Now
Speaker 2: that's a double edged sword. If they're flesh and blood,
Speaker 2: that means they have to eat. Do you see that
Speaker 2: as being a good thing or a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it could be either or that way. It's
Speaker 1: with the amount of calories that these things would have
Speaker 1: to ingest would be insane. I mean literally insane. I
Speaker 1: think a wolf needs twenty five to thirty pounds of
Speaker 1: meat on a daily basis, and I can't even wrap
Speaker 1: my head around on what these things would need to
Speaker 1: calorie wise. We do have some big game here, but
Speaker 1: depending on the season, you know that some food might
Speaker 1: be slimmer pickings than others.
Speaker 2: See that right there. That's one of the biggest reasons
Speaker 2: why I just don't buy the idea that dogmen make
Speaker 2: a habit out of hanging out in numbers, because if
Speaker 2: you think about the daily caloric requirements of a dog
Speaker 2: man like you just mentioned, it's going to be huge. Well,
Speaker 2: if you have more than one in any given area,
Speaker 2: they're going to blow through the resources in that area
Speaker 2: in no time flat. Now, I do believe that occasionally
Speaker 2: they might come together in numbers, but I think that's
Speaker 2: by far and away the exception and not the norm.
Speaker 1: See that's interesting that the way that you put it,
Speaker 1: because all of least my encounters and other people's eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: encounters indicate that there was only one. It's kind of
Speaker 1: scary on the fact that if these would ever run
Speaker 1: into a pack or anything like that, or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, that would be insane. On how
Speaker 1: much food that this not just not one, not having
Speaker 1: multiple of them, it would be insane that the amount
Speaker 1: of prey that they would have to live off of. Now,
Speaker 1: like during the fall where we have the writing season
Speaker 1: of the elk and deer and all that. I can
Speaker 1: kind of see it that way. And Wyoming is the
Speaker 1: least populated state, so we're we have more wildlife than
Speaker 1: we do people in this state. However, even if these
Speaker 1: things had like even a very large hunting ground, they
Speaker 1: would still blow through probably about seventy five to eighty
Speaker 1: percent of other forms of wildlife and that would have.
Speaker 2: To be noticed almost definitely. Yeah, we just don't have
Speaker 2: the game resources here for large predators like that to
Speaker 2: hang out in a group on the norm. Now in
Speaker 2: Africa they have enough game to support that sort of
Speaker 2: an arrangement, but yeah, over here, definitely not. So unless
Speaker 2: they are all supernatural beings, there's just no way that's
Speaker 2: going to work. So I definitely agree. How much do
Speaker 2: you think the fact that you're in your car when
Speaker 2: you saw that white dog man soften the trauma that
Speaker 2: you have been dealing with all these years?
Speaker 1: Well, now that I actually can look back and understand
Speaker 1: the circumstances, I'm actually feeling quite blessed to be able
Speaker 1: to witness that. Yes, that's stuck with me. But how
Speaker 1: many other people can actually say that they have actually
Speaker 1: seen one of these things? Not very many?
Speaker 2: Well, It's interesting you just said what you did, because
Speaker 2: my next question was going to be it sounds like
Speaker 2: you got a pretty good look at that dog man.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask if you thought you might
Speaker 2: have gotten too good of a luck and that's why
Speaker 2: you're traumatized. But from what you just said, I'm a
Speaker 2: little confused. It sounds like now you're saying that you
Speaker 2: wish you could have gotten an even better luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the type of person I am. If I
Speaker 1: have a curiosity, I go right towards the source. And
Speaker 1: now that time has lapsed and I have actually had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of visiting with you about some of it
Speaker 1: and started rethinking, you know, I wish you know that
Speaker 1: I wish I could have done a few things a
Speaker 1: little different. I don't think I would have like exited
Speaker 1: my car and you know, tried to visit with the thing.
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm more intrigued now at this point
Speaker 1: than anything else. That fear just turned into intriguement.
Speaker 2: Don't fall into the could have, should have, would have game.
Speaker 2: Think you handle that experience really well. Now you told
Speaker 2: us it was all white. Was it a clean white
Speaker 2: or a dingy white?
Speaker 1: It was a clean it was like an eggshell white.
Speaker 1: It was not as white as most people's white walls.
Speaker 1: It was. It didn't have any fluctuation of any color.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an alvino or if
Speaker 1: it was just white due to its coloration, but it
Speaker 1: The really weird thing is is that you could still
Speaker 1: see the muscle tones underneath, underneath its fur or hair.
Speaker 1: It was very very well built. But like I said before,
Speaker 1: it didn't look like a male. It didn't have that
Speaker 1: male physique.
Speaker 2: If it was just a flesh and blood animal the
Speaker 2: way you think it is, or it was how do
Speaker 2: you think a vibrant white dog mean? It can make
Speaker 2: a living out in the wild.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't tell you. You know, if it was
Speaker 1: during the winter months and we have snow, I could
Speaker 1: see it camouflaging the way it is, you know, easy peasy,
Speaker 1: But during the three months that we don't have snow
Speaker 1: or anything else like that, I couldn't tell you. Whatever
Speaker 1: mechanism that they have. It's kind of puzzling due to
Speaker 1: the fact that these things can just not be seen.
Speaker 1: Either it's extreme amount of camouflage, or they're smart enough
Speaker 1: to hide in certain areas, or maybe it's another type
Speaker 1: of pernoral activity that comes along with these things. But
Speaker 1: I really can't answer that one. VIC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anyone can. I will tell you this.
Speaker 2: When I first started doing what I do, I was
Speaker 2: convinced that all dogmen must be just flesh and blood,
Speaker 2: the animals that are out there trying to scratch out
Speaker 2: a living pun intended. But as time has gone by,
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that dogmen have several ore. I think you
Speaker 2: have some that are flesh and blood creatures. I think
Speaker 2: you have others that are supernatural beings. I think others
Speaker 2: were probably made in government labs and test tubes. And
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if others have alien origins. That
Speaker 2: would explain a lot of this. It really would.
Speaker 1: Well with the alien aspect of it. You know that
Speaker 1: there's been quite a few reports that you know, UFOs
Speaker 1: been cited in the same area. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't have en updata to really conclude on what
Speaker 1: these things are. So they're going to remain a mystery
Speaker 1: until one is found, I guess. But I wouldn't recommend
Speaker 1: going out, and you know, I'm trying to go pet
Speaker 1: that dog as if the old term goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that, pull back a stump. Does
Speaker 2: the fact that it was white, a vibrant white, seem
Speaker 2: to make it harder when you tell people about that experience,
Speaker 2: when it comes to them believing you, or does it
Speaker 2: not play into this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that was part of the cause, because
Speaker 1: when I first started coming out and sharing my experience,
Speaker 1: I kind of got teased about seeing a werewolf a
Speaker 1: dog man, and you know, it's like, okay, you can
Speaker 1: crack chokes oll you want, I know what I saw.
Speaker 1: But in turn, by seeing this dog man, it really
Speaker 1: pushed me to start diving into the unknown, the supernatural
Speaker 1: and paranormal. It just it was just one of those
Speaker 1: things that just I don't know it. It was a
Speaker 1: catch fifty two. As the old woman says, paric phraise
Speaker 1: that goes, it's just, you know, it terrified me that
Speaker 1: yet it it also inspired me.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny how your life can be taken a
Speaker 2: course at one moment and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: something just happens out of the blue, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're on a new course.
Speaker 1: You know. I was always a firm believer of the
Speaker 1: supernatural and paranormal even when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like when you encounter something that
Speaker 1: becomes a core memory, it shakes you down to your core.
Speaker 1: You got one or two options. Well I kind of
Speaker 1: stood in the middle of it. But you know, you
Speaker 1: can be terrified and not you know, it prevents you
Speaker 1: of living your life the way they that you are
Speaker 1: wanting to live, or it can inspire you to do
Speaker 1: other things. So with my dog man encounter, it kind
Speaker 1: of did both. It It put an aspect of there
Speaker 1: are some there are some things out here that need
Speaker 1: to be understood there. I mean, obviously you know that
Speaker 1: the initial shock that these things exist, but it also
Speaker 1: brings to the other side of the coin, where the
Speaker 1: need to know frame a mind can be a very
Speaker 1: dangerous thing because sometimes it pushes people to do things,
Speaker 1: reckless things, and I have to be very cautious on
Speaker 1: how far I want to go after this interest.
Speaker 2: It's always good to measure yourself when you're in your situation.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're aware of that. Don't push it.
Speaker 2: And of course, like we talked about baby steps, how
Speaker 2: far did you live from the spot where you saw
Speaker 2: that white dog.
Speaker 1: Man actually only probably two point three miles. I was
Speaker 1: living in town at the time, and this just happened
Speaker 1: just right outside of town. There's the Wyoming Girls' School
Speaker 1: that's on top of the hill that that is if
Speaker 1: you just go down into this on Big Worn Avenue,
Speaker 1: it kind of goes up on a hill where I
Speaker 1: saw it was down in kind of like a small
Speaker 1: ravine where where it was between two hills. So every
Speaker 1: time I drive that road, it's like, okay, well here's
Speaker 1: where Wolf Road, and you know, all my friends and
Speaker 1: family just kind of look at me weird. But when
Speaker 1: I started explaining this whole situation to my wife, you know,
Speaker 1: she was one of the very few people that didn't
Speaker 1: make fun of me because she she knows that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm about as one of those honest as first can be.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's but yeah, it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 1: that far from town. So you know that that brings
Speaker 1: up another question is like we have black bears and
Speaker 1: cougars have followed the streams from the mountains and come
Speaker 1: through town. So my my thing is is like how
Speaker 1: close have these things actually gotten? I won't ever know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: due to limited resources and all that. But you know,
Speaker 1: having it only two point three miles out of town,
Speaker 1: you know at the time that was just still in
Speaker 1: the outskirts. So I other than that, that's all I
Speaker 1: can tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awfully close to home and you went straight
Speaker 2: home too. Did anything ever happen around the house that
Speaker 2: makes you think or that made you think that they
Speaker 2: might have paid you visit or I should say it
Speaker 2: might have paid you visit.
Speaker 1: Just other than you know, the night terror is off
Speaker 1: and on throughout the following years now, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever they are. You know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to be involved in human affairs. They don't want nothing
Speaker 1: to do with us. There. I think, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: I think that we're more of a monster than they
Speaker 1: are because humans can, unfortunately have that tendency to be
Speaker 1: a lot uglier than most wildlife.
Speaker 2: So from what you said, you don't think the dog
Speaker 2: men are monsters?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I think if people are going
Speaker 1: to be classifying evil in this world, it's mostly humans
Speaker 1: that are going to be evil. I mean, every once
Speaker 1: in a while you might get a disgruntled you know,
Speaker 1: bear or cougar or wolf that had a bad running
Speaker 1: into with a human somewhere, and their prejudice kind of
Speaker 1: keeps from you know, it's present with them for the
Speaker 1: rest of the life because of some human doing something
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have been doing. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, evil and animals or creatures or the paranormal,
Speaker 1: they do exist. I can attest that, but I don't
Speaker 1: think these dogmen are wanting to fulfill that interaction because
Speaker 1: of the way that some humans are, especially around here
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, shoot for assess questions later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no denying it. We do some monstrous things ourselves.
Speaker 2: For your children who are too young to tell about
Speaker 2: your experience there, do you still tell them that monsters
Speaker 2: don't exist?
Speaker 1: No, I tell them they do exist. I am flat
Speaker 1: out honest with them. I don't why to my children.
Speaker 1: I have to throw caution because I have two young
Speaker 1: adults that like to go out for walks, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's Sharon's not It's safer than most places, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's still not safe in some areas. So you know,
Speaker 1: I make sure that you know they have mace and
Speaker 1: all of that, just to be on the safe side,
Speaker 1: because you know, we do have some like cookars and
Speaker 1: blackberries that like to come through town every once in
Speaker 1: a while. And you know, I just I just want
Speaker 1: to stress that, you know, be vigilant around your surroundings.
Speaker 1: Don't provoke something that you don't understand or you know
Speaker 1: that you know, it's just I try to be honest
Speaker 1: with my children when it comes to you know, there
Speaker 1: are things out there that are unexplained and they're not
Speaker 1: very well documented either, so you know, more or less
Speaker 1: the chances they're going to end up with someone like
Speaker 1: a human coming across their path that is going to
Speaker 1: be more evil than anything else. But still when it
Speaker 1: comes to when it comes to the paranormals, which are supernatural,
Speaker 1: I'm fully honest with people. You know, there there are
Speaker 1: such things as I wouldn't call them monsters, but there
Speaker 1: are a lot of unknown species, if you will, and
Speaker 1: they're not very well documented, and we just got to
Speaker 1: be careful. I mean, we just you don't want to
Speaker 1: set off the wrong message. It's something that would you
Speaker 1: know that you don't know what it would do, like
Speaker 1: any type of like either be supernatural paranormal or natural
Speaker 1: like a bear or something. I mean, you just don't
Speaker 1: want to yeah, be disrespectful, and you know, just you
Speaker 1: just got to be prepared for it.
Speaker 2: And it's always best to be cautious. Now you've got
Speaker 2: six children in the varying ages they're Kevin, what metric
Speaker 2: do you use to determine whether it's time or not
Speaker 2: time to tell this particular child about your experience.
Speaker 1: I have told all my children as as soon as
Speaker 1: they are able to comprehend it. No, some of my
Speaker 1: older children, you know, they're you know, they're they're not
Speaker 1: poking fun at me just to make fun of me,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of like trying to make a like
Speaker 1: the situation that I had. They kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: make it a lighthearted situation until they learn something themselves
Speaker 1: and then their attitude kind of changes about it. But
Speaker 1: my younger kids, I don't have anything to worry about
Speaker 1: because they're you know, they're in their early teenage years
Speaker 1: and they they know, like they I talk about some
Speaker 1: of my other experiences other than not related to dog Man,
Speaker 1: and they have experiences themselves. So they they're smart kids.
Speaker 1: They just have their own opinions on things. I guess man,
Speaker 1: they normally do.
Speaker 2: Have you ever come to regret telling any of them
Speaker 2: about that experience.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Honesty is the best policy, and
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I told them this is what
Speaker 1: I experienced. It doesn't mean that you're going to experience it,
Speaker 1: but this is this is what happened. You can you
Speaker 1: can take this and Violet however you want to in
Speaker 1: your head.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like telling the kids when as well
Speaker 2: as it could be expected to go. So that's a
Speaker 2: good thing. Now you told us how you stopped watching
Speaker 2: certain kinds of horror movies. Does that mean that you've
Speaker 2: only sworn off watching werewolf movies or have you sworn
Speaker 2: off watching of the kinds of horror movies now as well?
Speaker 1: There for a long time I could not watch any
Speaker 1: type of werelf movie at all. I don't care on
Speaker 1: how hokey the movie was. I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I just just couldn't do it. Just within the last month,
Speaker 1: I started watching the movie The Howling, and normally that
Speaker 1: one really bothered me because the structural of the werewolf
Speaker 1: in that movie is pretty much what I saw on
Speaker 1: the middle of the road kind of. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the closest one that I could relate to. But now
Speaker 1: I'm starting to kind of get over that hump, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's going to take more time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: anything dealing with were wolves. I'm really into Halloween, so
Speaker 1: it's like when a store has a werewolf anamatronic, I'm
Speaker 1: usually going the other way, and you know, my kids
Speaker 1: are laughing at me, and you know, thinking is you know,
Speaker 1: it's going to come get you, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's funny, but you know, but yeah, yeah, just anything
Speaker 1: dealing with lecanthethropes or were wolves or dog man. It
Speaker 1: shook me for a long, long, long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bitter pill to go from being convinced
Speaker 2: that we understand how everything in the world works to
Speaker 2: suddenly realizing, guess what, there are definitely things out there
Speaker 2: are big things out there with sharp teeth that we
Speaker 2: don't know about. So I understand, I really do. You're
Speaker 2: obviously compromise to this day by that encounter Therey Kevin,
Speaker 2: but you still wound up going out on a field investigation.
Speaker 2: How'd that go?
Speaker 1: Uh? That has yet to come along. I am still
Speaker 1: trying to for the one that we for our scouting mission.
Speaker 1: It was you know, this was before I even reached
Speaker 1: out to you Vic, it was I was always you know,
Speaker 1: looking over my shoulder, trying to pay attention to nature.
Speaker 1: You know, I was kind of I was extremely jumpy.
Speaker 1: I was nervous. It's just you know, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: it's going to take a hot minute, you know, for
Speaker 1: all of those years to decompress and be able to
Speaker 1: rethink things like I should have since day one. But
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I was trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was seeing evidence, you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to stay calm and you know, be rational and not
Speaker 1: just jump the gun and you know, just try to
Speaker 1: point everything for dogmen, because we do live in Wyoming
Speaker 1: and there are a bunch of other type of wildlife
Speaker 1: lives here. But then again, when we did come across
Speaker 1: some evidence that was kind of questionable, it was it
Speaker 1: was still kind of it was definitely nerve wrecking. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm just trying to still process
Speaker 1: some of it, and it's just it's just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was like you see certain things like
Speaker 1: claw marks and trees and footprints and evidence of like
Speaker 1: large carcasses being dragged in a certain way because drag
Speaker 1: marks were still there. I in my head. I was
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, SA say to myself, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is probably you know, put it in denial.
Speaker 1: This is not a dog, and this is something else.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be realistic with it. But deep down,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at that point I was. I was
Speaker 1: extremely cautious. I mean, I don't own guns or anything.
Speaker 1: Most people do here in Wyoming, but I don't. So
Speaker 1: I didn't even grab a large stick like I normally
Speaker 1: used to do, and you know, holding on to a staff.
Speaker 1: I just I stayed in a line of sight of
Speaker 1: the other people that were with me, and you know,
Speaker 1: I kept on continuously checking on other people. And but
Speaker 1: I guess the best term of it is having these
Speaker 1: things eyes upon you is just kind of always constantly
Speaker 1: in my mind. I mean, at this point, I know
Speaker 1: they don't want to like do bad things, because they
Speaker 1: would have had ample opportunities to do so. But the
Speaker 1: still that that fear of not knowing, the fear of misunderstanding,
Speaker 1: was it was, it was still present.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you went on that investigation. In retrospect, do
Speaker 2: you think that was a good idea?
Speaker 1: Well, probably not at that point, but the bandit has
Speaker 1: to come off eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in your only good time. I just wondered if
Speaker 2: that was a little too soon to rip that banded off,
Speaker 2: But who knows. It's really hard to say who is
Speaker 2: with you though.
Speaker 1: It was my son Wren, he's co host of my podcast,
Speaker 1: my wife Vanessa, she's co host of my podcast. And
Speaker 1: it was Brind's fiance that had this experience. So he
Speaker 1: was kind of leading us in the direction of where
Speaker 1: all of his events took place. But that was just
Speaker 1: pretty much about it. The next time we're going to
Speaker 1: go up we're gonna we're going to have maybe one
Speaker 1: other person to come up there with us, and we're
Speaker 1: going to be up there for three days, I think.
Speaker 1: So we're calling it a camping trip. It's not a
Speaker 1: snake it's a rope. It's a camping trip.
Speaker 2: Well, needless to say, I hope your camping trip goes well.
Speaker 1: You know, I hope so too, because in all honesty,
Speaker 1: even if we do go up there, the chances of
Speaker 1: us encountering anything of Dogman type is probably going to
Speaker 1: be zero point zero one percent. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to stay clear from us. They're not going to want
Speaker 1: anything to do with this, it's just as long as
Speaker 1: the respectful and we we understand and have that little
Speaker 1: type of communication. You know, I think things are going
Speaker 1: to be okay. But being in in the healthcare field,
Speaker 1: having vacations is kind of a necessary thing. But this
Speaker 1: was just kind of the thing that the dart landed
Speaker 1: on when we threw it on the map.
Speaker 2: Well, that quote unquote camping trip might do you more
Speaker 2: good than you expect. Hopefully it will. I guess time
Speaker 2: will tell. But having said that, we're about out of
Speaker 2: time before we get out of here, do you have
Speaker 2: any clothes and comments you want to put out there
Speaker 2: for us?
Speaker 1: Oh? Gosh, you know, I thought about this for a
Speaker 1: long time and I can't come up with any words
Speaker 1: of wisdom other than don't fear what you don't do,
Speaker 1: not understand, try to understand it and embrace the knowledge
Speaker 1: and be grateful that these encounters have happened.
Speaker 2: Well, those are good words. And also, one last thing
Speaker 2: before we do get out of here, would you like
Speaker 2: to plug your podcast? Asked one last time.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's called Nature's Darkest. It's on Spotify. I got
Speaker 1: some on YouTube, but that was kind of the test
Speaker 1: run of it. Many many years ago. I don't do
Speaker 1: anything on YouTube partly anymore, unfortunately, but yeah, you can
Speaker 1: find Nature's Darkest on Spotify.
Speaker 2: Well that makes it really easy. Kevin, I can't thank
Speaker 2: you enough for coming on and tell us about those
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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate your time because it's your Like I
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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, thank you so much for the kind words.
Speaker 2: You really do give me too much credit though I'm
Speaker 2: not nearly that special, but that is awfully nice of you. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: But having said that, Kevin, thanks again so much for
Speaker 2: your time. I really do appreciate it. H have a
Speaker 2: great night.