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At this point, I can imagine, thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. This is like a fun time of year.

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But I'm also like, you know, there's so much time

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in between the end of the season until the draft,

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and there's no games, and there's so many different storylines

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that pop up, and so much of them are you know,

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fabricated bs, and so I just can't wait till I

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get to the finish line. Ready?

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Speaker 1: Do you are you the type of person that might

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overthink some of their priors because of all this time

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you have in between, like I guess when the maybe

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the college season ends, or like when the actual game

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samples wind down to the point when the NBA Draft

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is or have you gotten better over the years of

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just not being stubborn and locking your guys in. But

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I've tried not to second guess yourself too much based

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off things that might happen at the combine or think

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there's things that you might hear during what would be

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again when it comes to gameplay, just some downtime one

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hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the biggest challenges and I

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think I've heard one team told me that they don't

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let their scouts watch games more than twice. Like usually

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the routine as you watch the games during the season

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and then you go back and watch, you know, some

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film in a couple months when you up to the draft.

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But you know, the more you watch, the more your

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brain starts to kind of play tricks on you and

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make you like think of new ideas and start to

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change things when they shouldn't necessarily be changed. So that's

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something I've tried to improve on over the years, is

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not to overthink and uh and yeah, that's that's one

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of the things. The biggest challenges with the draft process

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is how much stock do we put into the workouts?

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How much stock do we put into the you know,

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the storylines that pop up, and which team likes who,

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and who's gaining steam and who's not and so yeah,

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I try and block out as much as I can.

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Speaker 1: Well, this year, I have not watched as much film

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on a draft class.

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Speaker 3: I don't think in at least a half decade.

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Speaker 1: So I have enough, just like Shin Deep, to just

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have some reckless takes to throw at you. So this

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is just gonna be absolutely interesting. I'm excited to pick

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your brain. I wanted to start. We'll begin with like

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kind of the top four guys AJ Debansa. But the

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tea does not get pronounced right. That was part of

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my studying too, AJ Debansa correct, is that that sounds right?

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Speaker 3: What do we make?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of him? I want I would

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love your overall impressions of these guys. I think one

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of the big questions I have for him is whether

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you think though that he can be either the table

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setter or just like the level of shot creator. When

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looking at his shot selection to be the like kind

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of the offensive engine for a team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's so good at creating, like you know,

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at of iOS and stuff that you know, you see

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guys like I don't know, Jaylen Brown will average five assists, right,

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Like you know, he's not going to be your point wing.

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But because he draws so much attention and he's so

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good at creating opportunities, I think as long as he's

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able to use his brain enough and process and make

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the right passes when the double gets thrown at him, yeah,

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he can be somebody like you totally run offense through

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and win games. And he did that at BYU this year. Again.

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I think he's just like this, he's gonna have this reputation.

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I think why he's number one, projected number one to

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the Wizards is because all three of these top guys,

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they're like unbelieved. This is the best top three I

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think I've I've covered, and so everyone has that obvious upside.

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It's like, Okay, when you're number one, you don't want

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to grew up. And who's got the you know, who's

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got the fewest holes? Like with aj I just I

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can't picture an outcome where he's not a twenty five

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point per game vib assist, you know, average type of guy,

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and you know he's competitive. Like I just there's just

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no there's no really red flags or questions with his game.

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And so I think and obviously everybody wants a wing

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in Washington could use one right in the middle, not

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that they don't have a couple of nice young guys there,

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but like he's just he'll fit in. He's he's got

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he checks the intangible boxes. He's got the positional size

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which you want, which creates the advantages, and obviously the

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skill level of creation and shot making and the production

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behind it, dading back to high school. Now at BYU

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leading the country. So it's just like his resume is

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pretty pretty flawless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the size is incredible at six'. NINE i didn't

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want to ask you if there's do you assign any

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concern to just as someone who is six' nine having

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his physical tools that he wasn't more or of just

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not trying to assign too much value to defensive, counting

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stats but just the defense of playmaking when you're looking

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at his, block rate or is he SOMEONE that i

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that he's someone who will be better in like sort

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of a matchup or an assignment, specific role kind of

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like the defensive playmaking or. Counting stats but if you

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engaged him with someone who on the opposite end of,

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the floor like the primary offensive option on the, other,

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team like he is someone who's gonna be able to

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lock in and.

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Speaker 4: HANDLE that, i mean just like having seen him, grow

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up he's definitely like the type of kid who is

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going to, you know if they pinpointed early IN his,

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nba career, they're like you got to get. BETTER defensively

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i trust that he will do what's necessary to. GET

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better i. Do have he's not number one on my. Personal,

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board again the difference, between one two and three is,

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so little, but like, you know there's something with the

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lack of. Defensive playmaking, TO me i usually put stock,

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into that and not just related. TO defense i think

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it's kind of you know it it underlines some how quick,

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you REACT which i think affects your, Offense also and,

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so yeah that does, you know it does factor in

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when when the conversation is so close between Him and Peterson,

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and boozer and he's. Got it he definitely has to get,

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better defensively and we've seen it plenty of times where

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he's on the perimeter and he gets beat and, you're like,

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COME on i wish you put in a little bit.

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FRESHMAN star i mean that's kind of overthinking. As well

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it's like thirty game sample size when he's got a

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thirty percent usage and everything runs through, him offensively and

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he's not going to be held, as accountable, you know

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as a freshman in college as he will be IN.

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The nba so he's got improvements. To MAKE but i

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trust that he'll. BE fine i don't know if if

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he'll be a number one, lockdown GUY but i think

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he's so. Good offensively he just has to, be like,

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you know an average level defender and forget the steals

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and blocks the. Next level can you just like make

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the right, you know move his body well enough on

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the ball and obviously make enough good reads as a.

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Speaker 1: I think if he fouls a little bit more at

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least would imply maybe some activity to which might make

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like an idiot like me. Feel better THE question i

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have for both him and this law will Be For

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darren peterson is when you're looking at the and it

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really is more SO for aj when you're looking at

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the uses, in college is there any concern about him

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scaling back into more of this larger ecosystem role AT

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the nba level where maybe he is the second or the,

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third option especially.

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Speaker 4: Starting, OUT yeah, I mean, i mean listen on, on paper,

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you know if he goes to a Team like WASHINGTON

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and I Saw trey young obviously opted out. LAST night

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i don't really know what that, means Yet But TREY

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young i was, looking up, you know as the every

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year in the last, five years he's top three in time.

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Of POSSESSION and aj is an on, Ball guy like

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his off ball numbers. Aren't great he's not a great spot.

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terms of movement shooting or cutting or anything. Like that,

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so yeah it's good to, an adjustment and, you know

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you trust a guy that that that's that good is

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going to figure. It out and again sometimes, there's overthinking

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the floor at the. Same TIME and i think eventually

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offense RUN. Through, aj maybe, you know the first year,

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OR two aj will go through, some adjustments playing more

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off the ball and spotting up and standing around a

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little bit and coming, off dribble handoffs and stuff. Like

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that stuff he's not wasn't, used to certainly in high

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school and then EVEN. At byu, but again he's he's

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so good that you start to overthink fit a little

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bit too much for a player this for a player

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Speaker 1: This good based ON everything i had read and listened

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to before ever really Just Watching, DARREN peterson i expected

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to go watch him and then come away feeling why

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is everyone so hyped?

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Speaker 3: ABOUT him i feel the.

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Speaker 1: Opposite WAY and i know that people say that's not

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what you saw at can this because of the small,

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sample size it doesn't even compare to what some of

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the high school footage DID and i saw very little.

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Speaker 3: Of that what do you make?

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Speaker 1: Of HIM and i guess the place to start would

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be is how much of a red frag really is the,

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cramp stuff, the hamstrings all the ankle issues that he

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Speaker 3: PAST year i.

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Speaker 4: Don't think it's a. RED flag i don't even think

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IT'S like i wouldn't even register on my RADAR if i,

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was picking unless unless there's medicals that, say OTHERWISE which

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i don't have. Access TO but i haven't heard anybody

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have any complaints. ABOUT it i think he. IS uh

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i think the, only drawback the only thing that makes

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me nervous is kind of the history of, the archetype

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like the. Two guard, it's just, YOU know I Guess

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anthony Edwards Is Anthony What what's who's the best two

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guard IN the nba?

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Speaker 2: RIGHT now I Think anthony edwards feels like the right

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that the.

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Speaker 1: Right guy i'm trying to think of who else would

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be like because the positions are so, Weird NOW but, i,

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Speaker 4: But like a non like a non, playmaking right like

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a classic, YOU know i think that there was Comparisons

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to kobe because of style, of play like obviously they'll

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get you five assist, or whatever but they're like that classic,

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two GUARD and i think it's just been harder for

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that type of guy to lead the team all the

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way to, the championship and so that would be the.

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Only reason but LIKE when i used to watch him in,

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high SCHOOL and i think the first the FIRST time

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and he was a junior in. High school and this

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is when he was like STARTING to aj WAS always

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then senior year is when he really, Blew up like

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you could really see he looked like just LIKE an

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nba star PLAYER when i saw him live when he

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was sixteen, year seventeen and it wasn't the stuff he was.

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whatever spot he, wanted to the smooth mid range game

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he shot. The, three well he was creating, for others

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just like he looked like you Know That all star

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shot creating. Two guard and then he Goes to kansas

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and he's running so much stuff off. THE ball, i

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mean his his off ball numbers were, insanely efficient not just,

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catching shooting but running off screens and and, you know

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like the comparison started to Shift To ray allen like

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that's that became a popular comparison, this year just based

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on his style and Usage, at kansas and that's always

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a thing like these we were just talking ABOUT, with

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aj where you have to these guys are gonna have

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to adjust playing off the. Ball, more well we just

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saw HOW good dp was playing off. THE ball, i

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mean that's what. Takes time and he's already like super efficient,

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at it way BETTER than. Aj is and so you

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put him IN the nba with more spacing suddenly and

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hopefully more, explosive legs and we're going to see that

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he's not just this Off Ball ray, allen type but

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like he has got the ball juiced to be a

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number one option and. Shot creator and by, the way

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if you look at the Tape, from prolific he was

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a he turned into a playmaker his, senior year like

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offense ran through him and he made the right reads

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to get other. Guys involved so he's kind of like

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the full package here at. That position and SO it's

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i could see why he'll be in the number one.

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Overall CONVERSATION and i think there, are teams whether it's,

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You Know, danny ainge we've seen him do. IT before

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i think With, with Tatum like tatum didn't have the

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most efficient rookie Year. At duke, IN fact i mistakenly

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dropped him down my board way MORE than i. Should

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have but you're put in more stock into the high

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school tape and stuff that you've seen him in. Different

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SITUATIONS and i think sometimes, you know you go to

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you go, to college and like you don't really have

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control over. Your fit you don't really know who else

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is going to be there when you you sign on,

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With them AND so i think teams are GOING to,

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i Mean the wizards or whoever, it Is the jazz

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Or the grizzlies aren't going to put too much stock

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in some of the inefficiency we saw this year down

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the stretch or the competitiveness like that was never really

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a question mark in.

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Speaker 1: High, school yeah and you Mentioned the, edwards name and

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Him Or, Donovan Mitchell darren pearson seems to move the

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same way both on or off, the BALL which i think.

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Is encouraging and some of The comps i'd seen for

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him beforehand maybe set me up FOR what i thought

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was gonna. Be disappointed were NOT that i Don't Think

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bradley Beal Or jamal murray at.

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Speaker 3: Their peak or, good players but you're.

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Speaker 1: Kind of hoping for someone more with, number two and

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also just how hype the draft. Class was AND when

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i was actually watching, THE film i thought More Of

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anthony edwards than either one of those, other TWO which

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i think if other people are coming away with, similar

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impressions is. Probably good you did mention the, Passing though

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That's something AND again i saw mostly college stuff that

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did not pop. For me and so when you're looking

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at Him Or, aj devantsa, is there you know between,

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the two who do you have confident in becoming more

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of a let's call it a table setter for others

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as they get into the.

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Speaker 4: Next, level yeah it's a good question because it's funny

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because coming into, The, season aj, you KNOW if i

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had to do scouting reports on him in, high school he'd,

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be like he's got to be a more, willing, passer

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right he was a little bit too catch. AND hold

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i think actually a good comp firm coming out high

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school that nobody Uses, was carmelo like that, mid, range

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heavy mid range game one on one. A lot and

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so what we saw this Year was devonsa was far

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more willing and really showed some evolution with this GAME

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where dp was more of when he gets, the ball

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he's looking at the rim right his numbers like AND

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normally i hate guards or wings that don't have an

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assist PERCENTAGE over i forget THE number, I have like

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fifteen percent is really not, Historically Promising but i'm going

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to really put more stock INTO what i saw in,

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high school AND so I don't i think they're. Close

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enough it's hard, to say like who is the, Better

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playmaker who's going to be more of a table setter

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at the. NEXT level i think they're both in the

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same tier. Of it, AND yeah i do expect to

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see More with peterson when he has some support, around

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him Like that kansas team really was not a, Stacked

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lineup like there was not a lot of, star players

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AND so i think he KIND of i don't know

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whether he was coached up to have the mindset or

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he took it upon himself to BE like i got,

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to score, you know twenty five a night for us

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to have. A chance AND so i do think we'll

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see a different Type of peterson at the. Next level

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but it was also good to SEE that aj showed

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some growth in that department.

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Speaker 1: As well the stuff you're say thing About the kansas

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rosters that apply To His darren peterson's finishing, at ALL

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because i was shocked to like to see him shoot

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under sixty percent at the rim last year on layups

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or whatever.

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Speaker 3: It was that actually kind of.

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Speaker 1: FLOORED me i thought that number should have been so,

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much higher just again based off.

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Speaker 4: Watching, HIM yeah i also think it has to do with,

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the legs like he didn't look as he just Didn't

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like i've tweeted out a couple of videos only because

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it was so. Eye popping in, high school he has

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some like explosive finishing ability, and yeah a couple. Of them,

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you know he HAD the, byu game he had his

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biggest finish of, the year which was A blowby i

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THINK on aj and he threw it down over two

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defenders from. Far away, you're right we didn't see it.

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Super often it's it's really hard to assess without knowing.

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What games was he cramping or was he feeling stuff in.

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His legs kansas Also has badunga who kind of just

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camps out in the middle and, effects Spacing and kansas

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had very poor shooters so the spacing. Wasn't GREAT so

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i usually don't get two carried away with, finishing numbers

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unless they're on like in one year, of college unless

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they're on like one side of, the spectrum unless they're

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really bad or. Really Good so i'm not gonna take

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too much awaye from the fact that he wasn't like

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any lait. Level finisher, What's?

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For that and now back to, the show you had

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said that you had a pretty clear. Top three i'm

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gonna assume the other One is camboozer that's involved, in

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there but you can correct Me if.

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong he.

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Speaker 1: Was, another One and GRANT and i had said this

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to each other off air before we record. Another episode

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everything even some of the stuff we, had seen but

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like read and, about him we were, just like why

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is this guy being so? Hyped up why are there

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so many models that think that he might be the

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best prospect in. The CLASS so i go into it

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with that mindset kind of already tainted, against HIM and

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i came, Away thinking i'm not as high on Him

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As Darren peter center as, A devance i, don't think

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but the pick and roll initiation from someone his size

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IS something i just had no idea, going into and

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so that. Tantalizes me so my first QUESTION is i

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would like to know about the. Other stuff why he's breaking,

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these models maybe why you're you're so high, on him

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or others might be so high, On him but do

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you see that type of, Initiation scaling like does he have?

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The handle does he have the vision for that to

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work IN?

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Speaker 4: The, nba yeah he's my number, ONE guy i have

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number one on my. PERSONAL board i would take him

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first in. THIS draft i, just again he's also somebody who's.

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You've seen i've seen him since fifteen, years old like

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he was a big name as, a FRESHMAN and i

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can't believe like he's still not IN. THE nba i

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feel like he's been a teenager for like twenty. Years

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already but it's JUST every, i mean this is kind

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of cliche at, this point but he. WENT everything, I

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mean i think three, GOLD, medals FIBA three, eybl CHAMPIONSHIPS

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and MVPs four. State championships he does, not lose and

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he almost didn't lose this year except for That ridiculous

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connecticut Game where moones hit that crazy three in. THE

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steel i do factor, that in but from a, skilled

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perspective and what's going, To, translate yeah his handle is.

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Super tight he's just a threat in every situation from

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every spot on, the floor and every year he got

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better as a shooter in high school and now he's

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a forty. PERCENT three i mean HE took i think

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the volume was almost the same As, de bonsa and

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he was forty percent. From Three de bonsa was. Thirty

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four he's a better shooter Than de bonca. Right now at,

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six nine six ten. Two fifty he averaged four and

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a half assist. PER game, i mean he's somebody that

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offense can. Run, through again this is the guy you

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put number one because you believe in processing and brain

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stuff like. The way And Also i'm i'm learning, from

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mistakes or At least i'm Taking mistakes i've made in

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the Past, with HALIBURTON who i did not clearly think

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was going to be as good as. He Is and i'm,

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PUTTING yeah, i mean like the athletic questions, to ME and,

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i me unless it was so obvious that he's not

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going to be able to get a, SHOT off i

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just don't. SEE that i think he's going to. Be fine.

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You know, down low he's going to overpower guys away from.

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The basket he'll take him off, the dribble or he'll

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shoot a step, back three or he'll space the floor

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as a spot, up guy or he'll play in the

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post and be, a passer or he'll run these, picking

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ROLLS which i think he can do because his handle

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is so good and his brain is so sharp that

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he'll make the. Right reason he's a very, good driver

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like and not just. Straight lines he's got the, euro

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step he's got he just has. Everything possible the only

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if you're an anti, boozer guy the only thing you

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could say is he doesn't jump, with explosiveness and there's

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so much evidence IN the nba that that's it's it's

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not going to like negate. Everything else it might, YOU

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know i think a couple times. A, game yeah maybe

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he gets denied at. THE rim i think there's also

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from an, optic standpoint like when You see boozer, GET

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blocked i think your brain, just, goes, well yeah he's

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not gonna be able to do this IN. The nba

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but it's just because of like the way, it looks

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that's not going to be it's not going to happen

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so much where suddenly it's going to negate. His offense

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like but he average twenty two twelve five assists forty

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percent from three fifty. Five percent by, the way he's

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still he hasn't thirned. Nineteen yet he's a full year

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Younger Than, caleb wilson one full Year who i've heard

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Scouts Like caleb. Wilson better the only explanation could be

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because he is he, jumps HIGHER like i just better than.

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Everybody else and, you know of course people Point to

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Luka and jokic, and like, you know you're if You're

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buying boozer at, number ONE which, i am it's because

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you expect him to find ways to compensate for the

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fact that he's not the fastest. OR bounciest i just those,

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two things to me are not going to negate or

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really honestly affect his impact on.

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Speaker 3: The game offensively.

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Speaker 1: For SURE and i think the stuff he, does too

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which teams so focused now and winning the, possession battle

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like the, offensive rebounding could be a huge part of.

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IT too I think i Struggle because i'm a, big

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like especially with someone who doesn't follow these guys the.

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Entire year i'm a big comps guy or trying to

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figure them out. For myself couldn't figure out a good

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offensive comp. For him then went and read some, of

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THEM and i know. You, have uh you're one of

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the Ones That kevin love, listed RIGHT and i see

475
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
shades of you can see shades of all. Of them

476
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,240
I've Seen, al horford There's Been, Kevin love there's been

477
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,480
a bunch of others thrown. Out there he's so tough

478
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,079
to pin down OFFENSIVELY because i feel like he's there's

479
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,079
the ground bound and, a shore but he just does

480
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,559
so many other things that if you get too bogged down, by,

481
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:46,200
saying oh, you know, wa says He's Like kevin love is, just,

482
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,799
Like Well kevin love like wasn't running pick and rolls,

483
00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,480
Like THIS so i could not figure out like even

484
00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:53,079
a hybrid comp for him that.

485
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 4: Made, sense nah there. IS none i mean it's the

486
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,960
comp game like works in, some scenarios but. You can't

487
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,759
there's just there. ISN'T one i mean it was like people, were,

488
00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:06,319
like Well what's. Wemby's comp there just. Isn't one there's

489
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,559
never been this guy, that's like you know the same

490
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,519
thing With. With cam they're just not. A comp there's

491
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,200
things he does Similarly To. Kevin love, YOU know i

492
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,079
have to put it, in There like i'm sorry for

493
00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:18,680
throwing blee trip word under. The bus. They won't they

494
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,160
only want me to pick. One COMP like i just can't.

495
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,519
DO it i wouldn't be able.

496
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: To settle yeah here just like four of, them.

497
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 4: RIGHT well i mean does the things that the love

498
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,680
of comparison is from the same. Physical tools they're measured.

499
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,599
Very similarly they have, shoot threes they are both, post

500
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,319
players they're both HIGH i. Q, Guys No kevin love

501
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,400
was not handling, the ball. You Know the horford thing is,

502
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,559
again like oh he's not a, great athlete. Same size

503
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:44,920
horford wasn't shooting forty percent from three as an eighteen

504
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,599
year Old. In florida, you know he wasn't handling the

505
00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,720
ball like there's just there is no there is No

506
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,720
comp he's he's honestly the most well rounded prospect you.

507
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,400
Could FIND and i Said that cooper. Last Year but

508
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:59,680
cam is right in the. Same conversation the OTHER thing

509
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,000
i should.

510
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:01,799
Speaker 1: Ruggle WITH and i don't mind this if you say

511
00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:03,720
someone's a, pure too but if you say someone is

512
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,759
a pure for for SOME reason i meet, he, said

513
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:06,440
well that's just not.

514
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,519
Speaker 3: Gonna work what is?

515
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: He defensively or if you're building, a team whether it's

516
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,559
a prospect from the past or one that you're know

517
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,119
now or just A current, nba, player like who is

518
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640
the ideal archetype you want to put alongside him in

519
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,680
the front court to make?

520
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,079
Speaker 4: That? Work, DEFENSIVELY yeah I mean i think, you want,

521
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,079
you Know A mitchell, robinson type maybe like a, you

522
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:30,799
know a vertical athlete who's going to race shots around,

523
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,519
the Basket because cam. Is not he doesn't have a high. Block,

524
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:39,119
RATE AGAIN i i think some of the defensive currents

525
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,759
are concerns. ARE overblown, i know like that's also A

526
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,839
reasonable if you're not a, cam guy, you're, like well,

527
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,359
you know he's going to be a. LIABILITY defensively. I

528
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,079
did i did a big video on it because it

529
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,200
going back, through it kind of drove me a. LITTLE

530
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,079
nuts i think it's kind of a lazy thing to

531
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,039
say because of again, the optics like you'll see him,

532
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:57,440
get beat but you'll see a lot of these guys.

533
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Get beat and he's the same REASON why i think

534
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,000
he's going to succeed offensively IS why i think he'll

535
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:06,000
be good, enough defensively, you know maybe not like a not,

536
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,920
a plus but not somebody who's going to lose, your

537
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,680
games lose. Your possessions he's, so smart like he his

538
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:16,359
steel rate over three percent steel rate and that wasn't you.

539
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,480
Know luck you could see he anticipates. Really well. He

540
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,000
helped he's a very good. Help, defender yeah there's gonna

541
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,799
be one on, one matchups, you know in certain spots

542
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:27,480
when he's on an island where he. Gets beat, but

543
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,119
again these are like a couple of possessions. A GAME

544
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,839
maybe i think he's going to be just, fine defensively,

545
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,839
and yeah just, on paper again just based on what

546
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,319
he doesn't, do well, which is, you know protect the

547
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,920
rim as. AN anchor i guess you want to Put

548
00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,880
A mitchell robinson type in the Middle because boozer will

549
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,039
play around the perimeter offensively and, you know create. The

550
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,400
spacing AND again i don't think he's as slow as

551
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,680
everyone thinks. He is he Beat Out caleb wilson in

552
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,400
the lane, agility drill and SO again i think they're

553
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,319
overblown just based on. LIKE visuals i think he's going

554
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,519
to be.

555
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:07,079
Speaker 1: Just okay what are your general Impressions Of caleb, Wilson

556
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,119
especially i'm very curious to what you think he could

557
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,839
turn into on the.

558
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: Offensive, END.

559
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 4: Yeah i think there's a little bit more of unpredictability

560
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,799
with like the. Different outcomes just there's some there's more

561
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:24,200
guesswork because he has obviously a lot more skill to

562
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,440
catch up to Than than cam AND and i guess

563
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,480
technically you know the idea that he would have, more

564
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,960
upside which IS again i think the word upside is

565
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,599
thrown around way. Too loosely, it's, like well what? Drives

566
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960
upside it used to be athleticism and now it's really

567
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,400
your brain and skill and of course you have this

568
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,720
athletic ability and you can add, the skill which is

569
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,039
what the argument would. Be for, you know a big

570
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,039
time athlete, has upside don't? YOU know i don't have

571
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359
as much confidence in where he's going to go. Right

572
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,519
now his, strengths, are yeah like his the advantages he

573
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,000
creates with his athleticism and the easy buckets. He gets

574
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,559
he's good in THE mid, ratee know he's got the

575
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,799
shot making ability around the post. Or whatever he can

576
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,160
handle the ball in the. Open floor, you know his

577
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:14,799
his self creation isn't the. Most advanced he. Shoots poorly

578
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,400
he's one of the worst finishing forwards in the. ENTIRE

579
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,119
draft i actually pulled this up JUST so i to.

580
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Forget it on layups fifty you think, a guy you

581
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,279
think a guy with, you know his tools would shoot

582
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,160
better than fifty three. Percent laps and it's not because

583
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,680
he doesn't have. The skill it's because like the he

584
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,759
forces drives and he just doesn't have the processing to

585
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,119
pick the. Right spots but of course he gets himself

586
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,640
plenty of easy buckets above the rim with, the athleticism and,

587
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,640
so yeah like he's not a three point shooter. At

588
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,519
all he shot poor on his. Long twos so he's

589
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,519
got a lot of catching up to do in terms

590
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,720
of his. SKILL level, i think in, my opinion if

591
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,359
you're going to outplay a Guy like cam or, outperform

592
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,359
him you know IN. The nba, but yeah again just

593
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,319
more guesswork with his offensive development and also, again defensively

594
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,319
his defensive highlights, are incredible maybe the best in. The

595
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,559
draft his defensive low lights are. Not good, you know

596
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,319
he has lapses off, the ball and so there's just

597
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000
again more guesswork in terms of how much. He develops

598
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,440
but he's and he's also a year older than the,

599
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,160
other freshman but he's also like an incredible kid and

600
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,839
somebody that you would bet on to maximize. His potential

601
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,079
he's definitely the number four guy, For Me but i'm

602
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,960
not one of those wild card guys who's going to

603
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,119
like shake up the board and put them over the perceived.

604
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,640
Big three if.

605
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,279
Speaker 1: You had to bet on, him improving either his developing

606
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,279
a three point shot or just a better handle in

607
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,759
those half, court situations which one would you be more

608
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:48,440
confident in?

609
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:53,519
Speaker 4: Him honing, YOU know i think as his handle actually,

610
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,319
Was surprised that's what. SURPRISED me i REMEMBER what i had.

611
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,079
IN preseason i know he was in that tier right

612
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,200
behind the, big three but in some of the op

613
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,599
the stuff he does in the open floor was, pretty

614
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,279
good like he was able to get to spots if

615
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,440
he had space in front. Of HIM and i think

616
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,519
at One Point scottie barnes became, a Comparison, and barnes

617
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,680
of course when he Was At florida state and now

618
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:19,720
was almost like a point. POWER forward I think caleb

619
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,359
shows some flashes. Of That and caleb also is really.

620
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Good passing passing ability a little bit reckless he'll make

621
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,319
he'll turn the ball over, a lot but he can

622
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,160
also make really high. Level Passes so i've Seen some

623
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,480
i've seen some pretty surprisingly impressive creation with. His, handle

624
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,240
again the shooting thing, is like, you KNOW if i

625
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,119
could spend more time with him in the gym and

626
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
see the mechanics up close and see what he goes

627
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,240
through on a daily basis in terms, of routine, you

628
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,119
know the numbers aren't the numbers aren't good. Right now

629
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
so again there's a little bit of guess work, with

630
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440
THAT but i do like him in the short. RANGE

631
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
area i don't think his percentages were great there but the. Eye,

632
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,079
test yeah so, let's see you, Know here i'm looking.

633
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,440
Right now the short range inside seventy, seventeen feet he

634
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,319
was eight. Of nineteen from long twos he was two,

635
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,039
of nine and from deep he was seven of. Twenty

636
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,319
six so obviously the numbers, you know when he's further

637
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,359
away are. Not good but the eye test around, THE

638
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,359
key i think that's why there's Some Like kevin garnett

639
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,359
comparisons there is because it just looks like he looks

640
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,400
very comfortable inside. Fifteen feet, BUT again I unless i

641
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,720
have more access, To him i'm guessing a little bit

642
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:36,680
on how he's going to be up from deep.

643
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,799
Speaker 1: If the shooting doesn't. COME along i think the big

644
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,720
question will be nuclear. Powered athlete but he is. Six

645
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,279
nine the stuff he does defensively isn't necessarily all the

646
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,599
time traditional big. Man stuff is he someone who can

647
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,079
soak up minutes at the five or do you think

648
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,160
that that's going to wind up being a stretch?

649
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: FOR him i.

650
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: LIKE that i like.

651
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: The idea I'M always i always like that idea of

652
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,880
playing playing a little. BIT small i guess it depends

653
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,720
on who you're. Playing against but he's such a good

654
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,160
such a good athlete, that yeah he CAN make i

655
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,960
think enough plays around, the basket you know in rim

656
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,319
protection where he can play some. Small. BALL five i

657
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:14,079
guess you got to get the right pieces around him

658
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,400
and play the. Right lineup, But yeah i'm into that

659
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,920
idea with experiment team at.

660
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,799
Speaker 1: The five so you kind of already mentioned where you

661
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:22,680
might have these guys in the. Top four but if

662
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,559
your and your your latest mock, is out so like

663
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640
you do have the go that, Up there but if

664
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,920
You have cambus, or one who do you flesh out?

665
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,079
From that like your personal, big board not as where

666
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:35,839
you think these players are? Gonna go how do you how,

667
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,759
does two three and four shake out my?

668
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: Personal board Just cam, At one, peterson TWO a j

669
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,920
Three and. CALEB four i mean that's kind of been

670
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:50,119
most people stop four throughout, the year unless you're one

671
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,119
of those guys who just think That a cuff is

672
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,000
like the Total Outlier jalen, brunson TYPE which i, you

673
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,839
know maybe, he IS but i don't have enough confidence

674
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,880
to put him. That high, but yeah THAT'S how i.

675
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,279
Have it, and again the difference the Difference between PETERSON

676
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,279
and dp, FOR me I mean Peterson and debonsa, is

677
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,920
like at, This point i'm, you know close your eyes.

678
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,559
AND pick i think they're both going to. Be awesome,

679
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,480
and sometimes by, the way when these guys are IN

680
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,440
the nba, ten years, you know ten, years in you

681
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:20,880
still don't know which, One's better like you can both

682
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880
be like all star starters and you're still not sure

683
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
who the better. PLAYER is i think they're both going

684
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,799
to be all stars starting type, of guys and so

685
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,480
you really you really can't lose.

686
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: With, them well it seems like people are having a

687
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,319
ton of discussions about.

688
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: Those, three specifically.

689
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,039
Speaker 1: Pretty much every single Mock draft i've seen Has de

690
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,279
bonsa Going. To washington do you think that it's a

691
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,480
real conversation THAT could dp Or Could cam.

692
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,279
Speaker 3: Boozer end up going?

693
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:51,039
Speaker 1: At one or is that do you just have aj

694
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,880
conn of pencils and as though he's gonna end up Going.

695
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: To washington.

696
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,359
Speaker 4: People around The league i've talked, to again, everyone's guessing

697
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,599
like nobody Knows what. Washington's doing and we've seen before where,

698
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,279
you know, you know you never trust the, draft buzz

699
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,160
like especially remember like that year When Everyone, jabari smith

700
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,960
everyone just expected and then like the day of They.

701
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,279
Took bonkero you just they're not letting, anybody know and

702
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,759
so you're kind of. Going off and that's the problem

703
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:24,960
with draft reporting is like you're you're asking other teams

704
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,240
what they think another team is going. To do so

705
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,680
everyone kind OF. ASSUMES aj i talked to a general

706
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,279
manager the other day right in, that range, and they,

707
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640
you know he was sounded as, you know guessing just.

708
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,559
Like us, he's, LIKE well i assume aj is going

709
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,599
to go, number one could could dep go?

710
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: Number?

711
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: One, Two yeah i've talked to a bunch of agents who, are,

712
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,720
like yeah they could totally surprise everyone And. Take boozer they're,

713
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,079
just not, you know letting that buzz. Get out and

714
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,079
maybe they know so Much about boozer they don't even

715
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:57,720
need to work. Him out, And again boozer has been

716
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,720
around for, so long everybody knows, his character everybody has

717
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,279
seen him play five years at this point before he's

718
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,720
ever PLAYED an. Nba game some guys they don't need

719
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,119
to even bother bringing in and then, you know you bring,

720
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,640
him in then all of, a sudden there's storylines. Out

721
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,720
there so it's totally it's totally possible that they could

722
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,119
shock Everyone AND when i, say shock it's just because

723
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,359
this is what the media and fans are expected to

724
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,000
believe that they're only going To. Take aj BUT just

725
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,400
i think, on paper if you're a general manager and

726
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,480
you have to reduce the amount of risk while get

727
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,240
the most potential award based on what, YOU hear aj is?

728
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,559
That guy because there are People do i'm in. THE

729
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:40,319
minority i Think with cam at, number one there are

730
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,160
people who just like don't see the upside or not

731
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,920
willing to bet on. That upside, So again i'm gonna

732
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Stick with aj, at one but there would be if

733
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
They took peterson Or even cam, AT one i wouldn't.

734
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,559
Be shocked Do.

735
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 2: The grizzlies have the easiest job in the draft?

736
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: At three or is It actually chicago? At Four the.

737
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 4: Grizzlies and i'm sources that have around, them are, they're

738
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,599
like they're stressed. Free three. They're not this is like

739
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,039
A very they're focused on sixteen and. Thirty two I'm

740
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,239
unless i'm, Being played i'm pretty sure they're going to

741
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,119
take whichever the big three falls. TO them i.

742
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 1: Wanted to talk to you about the glut of guards

743
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,239
after what feels like the top. Four prospects who do

744
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,400
you have just from, you know all the names that we'll,

745
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,039
Get to who do you have highest on your big

746
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:30,599
board out of?

747
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: That, group man it's it's, so difficult and teams are having.

748
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,280
Difficulty too. They DON'T so i THINK just, I test,

749
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,800
I mean acuff was the. Most productive he won, the games,

750
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,039
SKILL character i think if, I'm if i'm not going,

751
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,599
TO overthink I take i take. A cuff he, MEASURED

752
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,719
well i mean. MEASURED fine i think exactly the same

753
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,800
Measurements As dame lillard and same style. OF play i

754
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,960
think he's got in terms, of stats, you know in

755
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,119
terms of eye tests and production and. All that like

756
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:11,760
he's it's like hard to bet. Against him there's one

757
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,599
thing with him that again this sounds, like overthinking but.

758
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,280
STEEL rate i factor that in at one point three,

759
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,960
steel rate which is would be there's never been like

760
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
a first round guard that's had a steel rate. THAT low,

761
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,280
i mean, that's okay not. Like never the CLOSEST was

762
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,199
maxi it was one. Point. Five wow, so again does that,

763
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,800
mean anything like would that be a reason you don't

764
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,280
take the best? Guard there i'm, you know if if,

765
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,400
you pay if you go buy history and analytics. AND

766
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400
stuff i probadey teams that will not have, him there, and,

767
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,840
defensively yeah. HE'S stunk, i also, you know going back through,

768
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,519
the tape like he they kind of moved him away

769
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,239
from different from on, ball stuff which KIND of i

770
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,000
think reduced the amount of opportunities he would have to.

771
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,280
Get Steals, malie thomas, for example play next to him

772
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,480
and had to steal rate and had he was a,

773
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,079
bigger guard and like got more involved in the in

774
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,079
the in the actions. And STUFF so i, Don't Know

775
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,199
i'm i'm almost still on THE side I put i

776
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,280
put a. CUFF there i guess. It, would honestly it's.

777
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,599
So close that depends, what teaming WHAT team i was.

778
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,400
Picking for and that's what's interesting With the clippers, at

779
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,880
five who are WORKING Out mikel, brown today who is

780
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,559
a bigger guard than, a cuff and so on paper

781
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,920
he's a better Fit. With garland and, you know it's

782
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,639
hard if You're, the clippers like do you do you

783
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,119
take a you have an A cuff garland backcourt where

784
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,440
we have two guys who are six two. AND under

785
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:37,519
i mean, obviously defensively that's on paper hard. Too hard to.

786
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,000
Live with, but yeah then, You know I'm sure woggler is,

787
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,199
also bigger, great shooter not the same, caliber athlete not

788
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,679
super physical and uh and mikel and And And, kingston

789
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,159
flemings who to me is maybe the most well rounded of.

790
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,480
Them ALL but i know teams that that have struggles

791
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,880
seeing upside. With him and also the big selling Points

792
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,000
with flemings was like he was the bigger guard and

793
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
it turns out he actually had. SMALLER measurables i think.

794
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: The nacuff i'm Not A kingston.

795
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,079
Speaker 1: FLEMINGS guy i don't really know what that means coming,

796
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,440
from ME but I think i saw with the people

797
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,440
who when you looked at just the, shot profile some of.

798
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,960
THE efficiency i came away from the film and everyone

799
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,679
was talking about how athletic he, could be and that

800
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,159
didn't really pop for.

801
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: Me either WHAT am i missing Here With? Kingston?

802
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: Flemings listen it depends on what. You LIKE so i

803
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,800
like the fact that he's awesome in the mid range over,

804
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
forty percent he gets to that spot and it's a

805
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:39,559
very almost unguardable shot because he's so good at creating

806
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,000
separation and he's so comfortable making it and he did

807
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:44,960
shoot a high percentage, from three he just didn't. Take

808
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,320
MANY so, I mean i think if you're going to Bet,

809
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,280
on flemings you're betting on obviously the mid range being

810
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,280
a big part of his game and the three point

811
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,440
volume increasing. Over time he's a very mature. Decision maker

812
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:03,079
he does have some athletic pop if he goes off

813
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,480
one foot and, he's got, you know a runway. To

814
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,800
go he's like just a super. Mature kid he's better

815
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,000
DEFENSIVELY then i think the other. Three guards incredible. Kid

816
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:18,320
like he he. Crushes interviews he's, super likable. Super humble

817
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:23,599
he Played, at houston WHICH every nba guy loves and values.

818
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,320
Playing For, for samson he's just, like again he doesn't have.

819
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Many holes he's very seems like a very, safe pick

820
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,960
but maybe outcomes are closer to like, you know in

821
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,519
the beginning of the season that compared Him To george

822
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:39,559
hill in Case Someone. Cason wallace he just doesn't have

823
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,880
like that, one specialty elite thing that. He does AND

824
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,760
so i think That's why i'm From what. I'M hearing

825
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,639
i got some text yesterday that he's the guy of

826
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:52,400
the big four guards that is the most vulnerable that

827
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,519
could that could slide. To ten but he's also so

828
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,960
well r like you can't go wrong. WITH him i

829
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,360
think the other guys teams will see the other guys

830
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:02,719
with like.

831
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: Higher ceilings in my Notes For Mikel, BROWN junior i

832
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,800
have written LaMelo ball with, a Conscience and i'm smitten

833
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,400
with him the fact that he might he's working out

834
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,159
For the clippers who have?

835
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: Number five what does what?

836
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: To you does that?

837
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Actually say is IT maybe i had been wondering about the.

838
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,239
Back stuff if, THAT'S like i was surprised that he

839
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,880
wasn't when looking at some of these guards and a

840
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,039
lot of the mocks and a lot of the, big

841
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,119
boards that he wasn't ahead of them to. Begin with

842
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,440
do you think this speaks, to oh maybe teams are

843
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,519
more confident in his back and he's been working out.

844
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,440
Really well or what IS the i don't want to

845
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,519
say what is the case Against Mike L. Brown junior

846
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,719
BUT when i look at what he, does offensively a

847
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,239
lot of the stuff he can, do defensively not just,

848
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,559
get steals but some of the.

849
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,599
Speaker 3: Ball, DENIAL stuff i was just a.

850
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: Little, Bit surprised like, to ME he's i probably have.

851
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,519
Speaker 1: Him fourth on my own personal, big board like Ahead

852
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,000
Of caleb wilson at. This, point again that's just a rudimentary.

853
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,440
Big board what is the LOWDOWN.

854
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,559
Speaker 3: On Mikel? Brown junior?

855
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,519
Speaker 4: For YOU so i think he's got like a similar

856
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:03,000
shot profile and like Analytics As, trey young like over

857
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:09,000
ten threes per one hundred possessions and a thirty plus.

858
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:13,199
Assist rate, you know he's a he's a like just.

859
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,760
Human firepower but how he can control it is kind of.

860
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,440
The question like he didn't really have a good season.

861
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,800
THIS year i mean he was he was the top guard,

862
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Coming in like everybody had him as the top Guard,

863
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,079
after Foeba After hoop summit where he. Was great but

864
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,800
then he came in this year and he had a

865
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800
lot of games where he was like two for thirteen

866
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,320
or one for fourteen or zero. For ten he had

867
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,199
a bunch of, those games and, YOU know i think

868
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,199
the teams that like him are going to just ignore

869
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,119
those games and either put It, on okay he wasn't

870
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,719
fully healthy or he had a. Big workload if you're,

871
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,239
a skeptic, you're like this guy has, you know a

872
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,000
pretty wild. SHOT selection i was actually going through his film,

873
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,239
this morning and like, so many he takes a lot

874
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,039
of those classic hero pull ups and step backs and

875
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,519
shots that look good on film if they. Go in

876
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,199
but he didn't have, great percentages AND so, i think,

877
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,119
YOU know i think it's smart to sometimes overlook. The

878
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:18,000
percentages and a year where he ONLY played i, don't

879
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:22,440
know twenty games or maybe a little, bit more and

880
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,159
there's a lot of tape on him. Going back although

881
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:25,440
he was never like if you look at the high,

882
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,239
school numbers he was never a. Knockdown shooter he was

883
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,639
he's a. Shot maker he's a, streaky guy but he's

884
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,079
flashy and you can create offense, very easily and he's.

885
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,119
CLEVER finisher a couple of numbers that stood out, to

886
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,199
me like two of twelve, on floaters like he doesn't

887
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,599
have that, Middle GAME and, i think, to me that's

888
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,599
a THAT'S some i put stock, Into that like you

889
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:50,320
got to have that that. Float game, but yeah like

890
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:52,599
he's an eye test he's an eye. Test guy he's not,

891
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,039
you know you got to you gotta forget the percentages

892
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,280
with him and buy what you're seeing in terms of the,

893
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,079
shot creation the flair, the past seeing the tough shot

894
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,360
making the, deep range and you just kind of if

895
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,880
you're gonna, buy him you ignore the fact that like

896
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,119
half of his games he shot below, you know thirty.

897
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:15,119
Speaker 1: Five Percent, KEATON waggler i think is the my number.

898
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,960
Two guard you look at the range of outcomes that

899
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,519
seems like people have for him is, very TURBULENT where

900
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,880
i see the Shades of Haliburton or sga that people.

901
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,519
Might See but i've also seen comps To Like. Jason

902
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,280
preston where are you At with waggler leading into?

903
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: The, draft yeah so. He's one he's just a different

904
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,000
EVALUATION because i hadn't really he wasn't on my radar

905
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,840
coming into, the year which is obviously that's rare for a,

906
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,719
guy who's, you know look potentially the fifth pick in

907
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,400
the draft as a win and. Done guy so it's

908
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,880
like you have less confidence just because you've seen less. Of,

909
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,599
him however he was good so often. This year every

910
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,199
time you wanted to, be like, all right he's gonna hit,

911
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,280
the wall he drops forty six in a Win, against

912
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,159
purdue or he, you know takes over and leads his

913
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:05,920
team to a final. Four, run yeah he's like Just,

914
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,679
like boozer like the athletic thing concerns are not really

915
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,639
like a big deal. To me he's the way you

916
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,679
see these less athletic guards get to spots with footwork.

917
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,840
And timing he, does that and he finishes, pretty well

918
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,679
and he gets fouled at a, high rate draws a lot.

919
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,119
Of fouls he's just a very crafty guy in the,

920
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,199
eye test even dating back to high school where he put,

921
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,039
up big good three. Point numbers if you go back,

922
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,280
and look it looks like he's going to be a

923
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,239
big time, shot, maker smart. Smart passer, YOU know i

924
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,760
think the question is he gonna be able to create

925
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,800
enough advantages and be your? Lead guard, YOU know i

926
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,719
always wanted to go back To the halliburton com because

927
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,559
it's like the reason why the reason why people were

928
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,800
Low on haliburton was because they didn't think he'd be

929
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,000
able to consistently create against a half. Core defense while

930
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:57,840
we could. DO that i think the drawbacks and the

931
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,719
reasons why you'd maybe be negative on him is and

932
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,880
it's kind, of like at, this point it's cheesy to,

933
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,840
say it but zero dunk attempts like that's never happened

934
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,440
for a for a. Top prospect he doesn't score, at

935
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,840
all kind of like in the, mid range he's got

936
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,599
a little float, float game but the number is when

937
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,840
he had to shoot off the dribble inside the arc,

938
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,840
Were bad and, TO me i think Is a i'm a,

939
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,159
big guy like you got to be able to hit

940
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,639
that that mid range, pull up like especially just not

941
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,599
to compare Guys to brunston because he's one, of one

942
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:29,760
but if you're going to be that, complete Score like

943
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,119
wiler wasn't that. Complete score he was a deep, shot

944
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:36,400
maker and he was a crafty finisher and he's a.

945
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Smart passer it's, YOU know i think it's just a

946
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,519
safer projection to put him in the, you know six to.

947
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,119
Ten range, But no i'm not Like A jason preston

948
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:51,000
guy like he's he was, too skilled. Too consistent also

949
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,599
another kid who just like talking. To him he's. So

950
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,800
humble he doesn't HAVE. Any x he didn't. Expect this,

951
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,599
he like, you know he earned. All this and, so

952
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,199
yeah he's a fascinating PROSPECT and i would love to

953
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,639
see him go to a team who also has, you

954
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,719
know another guard with him and he can be more

955
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,159
of a combo type and then maybe eventually we, see

956
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,039
THAT like i think it's as safer if he goes

957
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:16,960
to a team with a. League guard you can break,

958
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
down defenses and then maybe over time he takes over

959
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,880
and we see that he really can get the SPOTS against.

960
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,119
Nba defenders, but man he's been a lot of fun

961
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,880
to watch and one of the biggest additions to to

962
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,079
this draft conversation in twenty. Twenty six.

963
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: Where do you Land On Braden burry's BECAUSE when i was,

964
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,840
WATCHING him i, Don't Remember so i'm trying to think

965
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,800
of the last player or even a good comp. To

966
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,159
wear a scorer, in motion whether as a shooter or

967
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,719
going towards, the basket but also is as aggressive or

968
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,000
holds up as well defensively as he does as. A

969
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,800
guard i, don't like no one necessarily sprang to MIND

970
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,039
that i thought made. Sense there so, how like where

971
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:54,079
are you just overall?

972
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 4: With him he seems like just such a. SAFE pick

973
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,800
i mean, he's not, because there, you know again two

974
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
guards who. AREN'T playmakers i got to drop him down

975
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,000
a little. Bit lower, like again there's just not a

976
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:11,119
great history or track record in terms of upside of

977
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,079
a six or four guard who's not a guy who's

978
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,320
gonna get, you assists so that for, THAT reason i

979
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,559
put him, a little, you know below the four guards

980
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,079
that we, just MENTIONED but I think i have him.

981
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,119
At nine he's like the. NEXT guy i think the

982
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,039
ideal outcome is Like A derek white type of guy

983
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:31,920
who can just score efficiently and defend his position. Really

984
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,000
well he's he's. Really strong SO that's i think that's

985
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:42,239
the ideal Outcome. For burry's he's just very good at what,

986
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,599
he does very efficient at what. He does he's just

987
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,639
not the most like. Versatile guy.

988
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,159
Speaker 1: Where what would we be Saying About yaxel lnderbergh if

989
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:53,400
he wasn't turning twenty Four.

990
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: In, september well.

991
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,599
Speaker 4: He's come up in the draft conversation, every year and

992
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,960
so one of the i'm lower ony acts than than

993
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,840
Most media. I've seen and, of course AGAIN as i

994
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,360
continue to, talk ABOUT like i go off patterns, in

995
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,519
history there is like no examples of a twenty four

996
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,320
year old rookie who reaches, you Know all star games,

997
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,519
And listen he's had a chance to go in the

998
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:18,880
draft every year and he's never he hasn't been he

999
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,639
hasn't been. Good enough so he was good enough this

1000
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,760
year playing with an incredibly, stacked team AND so I

1001
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,519
know i like him as a role player IN. THE

1002
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,320
nba i think he did a couple of things right,

1003
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,320
this year and Being on michigan helped him. Do it

1004
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,239
he didn't have to do as much so he had

1005
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,960
he was more efficient from three because he got better looks. From,

1006
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,079
THREE well i definitely think he, improved Defensively and i'll

1007
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:46,000
give him personal credit, For that like he just looked

1008
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,400
more engaged and anticipated pretty well and looked just like

1009
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,400
more excited to play defense. This, year, well yeah he's,

1010
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,840
he's good good, at everything not great at any. One

1011
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,880
thing and then again history, just said, you know wait

1012
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,039
a little bit on a guy who's gonna be a

1013
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:08,119
twenty four year. Old rookie so we'll see where he

1014
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,320
goes in. The draft i've heard from multiple people that

1015
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,199
he is has had weak workouts Like he's i've heard

1016
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,920
twice he hasn't, finished workouts whether that was due to

1017
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,000
conditioning or the injury he suffered during the. Final four

1018
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,599
teams are waiting on. THE medicals i haven't heard anything

1019
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,719
about what. They say i'm not they're going to play

1020
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,880
that much of a role in where. He goes, but

1021
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,480
again the, fact that like, you know at twenty two or,

1022
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,519
twenty three teams, weren't like let's definitely take him in the,

1023
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,800
first round, YOU know i think that tells you enough

1024
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,719
that he's he Was never he's never like a SURE

1025
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,360
thing nba star or anything. Like THAT and i don't

1026
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,880
think he did enough this year, To, say okay at,

1027
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,519
twenty four this is going to be the outlier we

1028
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,800
got to take a chance on in terms of somebody

1029
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,840
who's going to break the barrier and reach upside at.

1030
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,159
Speaker 1: This age assuming this reporting is not smoking me or

1031
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,199
it does Seem Like morris johnson is one of the

1032
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,679
guys who might be flying up draft boards based. On

1033
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,760
workouts what is it about him that's fueling at is

1034
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,320
that the vision of can he be something different offensively

1035
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,159
than what we saw because he was playing alongside like

1036
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,000
in like those jumbo size front Courts.

1037
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: At michigan this.

1038
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,119
Speaker 4: Is another GUY who, I like i just can't get

1039
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,679
behind like this. Crazy RISE and i think this is

1040
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,760
also just a. Long season and obviously he played more

1041
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,559
games than, Anybody else SO again i think there's a

1042
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,920
little bit of overthinking with him in terms of like

1043
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,440
what type of guy he could be IN. THE nba

1044
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,280
i think he'll be a contributor from. DAY one i

1045
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,920
just so much would have to change with his offensive

1046
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,719
game for him to again like find a path. To upside,

1047
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,719
you know He's A isaiah. Stewart type he's gonna play.

1048
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,360
Tough defense he's gonna get you easy buckets and. OFFENSIVE

1049
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,400
rebounds i think he'll make the occasional spot. Up shot

1050
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,039
he's gonna be a hard, worker again another kid who's

1051
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,039
gonna give you an a plug interview and be a

1052
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,480
great teammate and stuff. Like that so he's, to me

1053
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:05,199
it's a safe pick in the mid first round for

1054
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,480
a team that's looking for. Immediate MINUTES but i found

1055
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:11,159
like a, you know if it's my first and only

1056
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,280
pick in the Draft and i'm looking for an, UPSIDE

1057
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,679
guy i don't KNOW how i could. Take him, you

1058
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,079
know if You're the grizzlies at sixteen and you take

1059
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,599
your star guy, at three you know it. Makes sense

1060
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,320
or if you're the thunder and you have you know

1061
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,840
you want to trade twelve or you want to, use

1062
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,639
it take him, at twelve or trade twelve and take

1063
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,159
him at seventeen as a guy who can play, right,

1064
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,159
Away like i'm good, with THAT but i think. HIS

1065
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,119
people i had an agent tell me today that his

1066
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,159
agent was telling people that he could go like, top

1067
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:41,880
ten which is. JUST no i. CAN'T imagine.

1068
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:46,039
Speaker 2: U is nate a man's gonna get? Somebody fired and

1069
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:46,400
WHY do?

1070
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: I have WHY am I Seeing alexey polkoshewski with better?

1071
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 3: Pr, here.

1072
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: Yeah his people are not happy. WITH me i have

1073
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,400
been a little bit Lower on nate, this year and

1074
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,280
he was also the guy coming in who is? It

1075
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,199
was it was After the? Big three It was Nate

1076
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,199
And caleb WILSON is i think he's the four and,

1077
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,320
five guys. You know, to me he's more of. An idea,

1078
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,679
you know everybody loves the six. TEN wing i think

1079
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,039
like a realistic thing is, you know and we don't

1080
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:19,840
Know Where will riley is. Gonna Be But will riley

1081
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,760
was like the guy you that type of that type

1082
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,960
of player who had a pretty good. ROOKIE year, i

1083
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,679
think NOT that i watched him much IN, the NBA

1084
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,159
but i think he can be a good a. Good

1085
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,800
player he's definitely helping himself during the workouts From what.

1086
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,679
I'M hearing i heard he's in the Mix FOR chicago

1087
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,960
i think that could also really mean it's there, for fifteen.

1088
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,880
Not four he's worked Out, For brooklyn he's he's worked

1089
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,519
out for a bunch of teams. Top ten he's being

1090
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,800
selective about where. HE goes i, just can't, you know

1091
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,400
fall in love with the six to ten guy who

1092
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,800
shot below forty percent from. The floor but he is,

1093
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,639
very competitive he has very unique combination of six ten

1094
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,679
size and shot. Making skill, but again like he doesn't

1095
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:04,800
do anything good Enough where i'm super confident of you

1096
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,960
know that the offense is going to translate to, you

1097
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,400
know all star type of. Offensive results, you know he was,

1098
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,360
good defensively like he did a lot of. Nice things

1099
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,920
he just he. Wasn't consistent he's not explosive around. The

1100
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,760
basket he didn't you shot terribly on laps. And stuff

1101
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,360
but again he's an idea and, he's young and he's

1102
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,840
see also another. Great kid i'll repeat that all day

1103
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,800
because this draft just has a lot of a lot

1104
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,400
of high. Character guys so again there's some guesswork in,

1105
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,159
his development but in terms of the physical profile in the,

1106
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,920
skill set you can see why that's an. Enticing, Guy.

1107
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: Adamarra i've tried to come around ever since missing on

1108
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Bigs like zachie E D, donovan kling And Even walker

1109
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:48,960
kessler just the name, Of few i've tried to come

1110
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,440
around more and guys. Like him can he be like

1111
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,000
a like a lower usage offensive player at the. Next

1112
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,079
LEVEL that's i think my bigger question because a lot

1113
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,599
of the stuff that popped like there's going to.

1114
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: Be the passing or it feels like he needs to

1115
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,360
be in maybe a higher.

1116
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Volume role BUT then i also kind of WONDER when

1117
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,320
i watch, him move which is really what, gets me

1118
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,840
is he feels like he has the MAYBE the iq

1119
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,199
and the shot making Of An, isaiah hartenstein but he

1120
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,880
moves Like. Zach edie it just looks just doesn't look

1121
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,480
right all. The time where are we at? On him,

1122
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,519
or again can he be scaled down at the next

1123
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,760
level or can he even handle a featured workload going

1124
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,679
into the going INTO?

1125
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 4: The, NBA well i think for, what hearing he's going to.

1126
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,719
Go high and so if you take him, top TWELVE

1127
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,320
which i Is what, i'm hearing you expect him to

1128
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,719
be your. STARTING center i guess Unless You're oklahoma city

1129
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,960
and you have the luxury of drafting backups because your

1130
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:46,199
lineup is. So strong, BUT yeah i think he's he's

1131
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,280
going to be The way i've described him. ALL season i,

1132
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,840
was LIKE whether i don't have the confidence to say

1133
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,320
he's going to be a high level starter or or.

1134
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,079
A backup he's just such a unique guy to have in. Your,

1135
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,360
rotation yeah where he, goes again there's there's gonna there's some,

1136
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,679
to me there's guesswork in terms of how high a.

1137
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,320
Ceiling goes but to have a guy who's seven to three,

1138
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,840
in socks who block shots at the rate that he,

1139
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,880
block shots who passes the way, he passes who finishes

1140
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,519
the way, he finishes and who has enough skill at

1141
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,880
least on that low block with his touch and footwork

1142
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,599
and turning, you know over either SHOULDER like, I could

1143
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,440
i could see why teams would want to take a

1144
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:29,440
chance on him in the, top ten especially right if

1145
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,599
he's not your your go. TO guy, i, THINK yeah

1146
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,280
i think you can scale him down a little bit

1147
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,800
and just let him play to his strengths and have

1148
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,800
his real value revolve around rim protection and moving the,

1149
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,480
ball offensively and then just, you know when you get space,

1150
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,519
down low give it, to him and, you know when

1151
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,239
you have an opportunity to dive for the basket for an,

1152
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,679
Easy bucket like he's gonna get you a lot of,

1153
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:55,480
those naturally just by having his unique forget what the

1154
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:57,599
nine to nine reach or something. Like, that like, you

1155
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,719
know he's just too unique of a guy to to

1156
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,519
let slide. Too far and even if he does not

1157
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,920
become a star caliber center or a defensive player that,

1158
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,760
you're candidate he's just such a unique guy to have for.

1159
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,800
Your rotation.

1160
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 3: What Is?

1161
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:19,599
Speaker 1: Johannis, Steinbach Yeah i've i've gone back.

1162
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: And forth in, THE beginning I. Love Steinbach now i've

1163
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,079
kind of gone back and, forth again just like a

1164
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,440
history of a center who doesn't, block shots you got

1165
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,360
to be so good offensively to have to hold a lot.

1166
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,679
OF value i do think He's got he's got to, play,

1167
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,960
center okay and so he's just not, YOU know i

1168
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,400
don't they weren't a great. Team defensively he doesn't block

1169
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,599
a lot. Of, SHOTS offensively i think he's probably better

1170
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:48,320
than some of. The highlights and and he was used

1171
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,920
as a, post guy but like he didn't he didn't

1172
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,360
shoot a lot, of threes didn't make a lot. OF

1173
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,480
threes i think he's a better passor than the. Numbers,

1174
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,320
suggest definitely definitely a better passer than the. NUMBERS suggest

1175
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,639
i steal a high. FIELD guy i. LIKE him i

1176
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,039
think he's going to be a. ROTATION player I just

1177
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,639
i would if if it means using a lillary pick to,

1178
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,440
GET him i would let somebody else. Take him but in, The,

1179
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,840
TWENTIES like i think he's A useful, Nba STARTER but

1180
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,480
i don't think he's.

1181
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,679
Speaker 1: SHIN gun i think he's gonna need to really if

1182
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,039
he's gonna play. A five feels like he needs to

1183
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,599
clean up. The glass and maybe that's where a lot

1184
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,360
of his assists could come from on the, offensive end

1185
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
as it feels like on the film he threw immediately

1186
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,000
after getting those, offensive rebounds threw it out to the three,

1187
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,239
point line and we've seen that. With teams that could

1188
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,000
work well in terms of again racking. Up assists but

1189
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,440
like those second chance three pointers tend to have a

1190
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,400
higher percentage on them than those first chance.

1191
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,599
Speaker 3: Opportunities, too yeah that.

1192
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: MAKES sense i mean he's just not like a guy

1193
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,280
who's going to explode towards the basket like a lot

1194
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,159
of his but a lot of his, SHOTS inside, i

1195
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:45,000
mean he's got good instincts and he's just always found.

1196
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,519
A way he got picked up a lot of offensive

1197
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,519
rebounds and nice little touch around. The basket but, but

1198
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,400
yeah he's just like he just doesn't like, ever dominate

1199
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,360
even though he does have games where he's like twenty six.

1200
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,440
AND fourteen i just. DON'T know i have struggle to

1201
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,400
see him doing that AT the nba level based on

1202
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,199
what he's able to do, Right now like he's never

1203
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,079
he's he doesn't put the ball on the, floor ever and,

1204
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:07,960
right now so much has to go right for him

1205
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,159
to be a reliable three. Point SHOOTER so i just

1206
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:13,760
think with that type of archetype and those LIMITATIONS like,

1207
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:16,920
I see i see a good a, GOOD player I

1208
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,119
just i would let somebody else take him if it

1209
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:20,519
meant having to use a. LOTTERY pick.

1210
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: I did want to ask you about one, of them

1211
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,000
at least one of my draft.

1212
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,719
Speaker 1: Day darlings THESE guys i just glom onto is thinking

1213
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:30,000
THAT or i think they're gonna better than. The consensus

1214
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,079
can you talk me Out Of darlen swayin being, A

1215
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,800
Key Shawn, George Nikil Alexander, WALKER hybrid.

1216
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:41,239
Speaker 4: I mean. It's listening it comes down to, his shooting

1217
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,599
and he got better. This year, you know not a ton,

1218
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:47,599
of volume but he got better. This year he's an.

1219
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:51,239
INTERESTING guy i was talking to a high level guy

1220
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,960
the other day, Who's like swayin is gonna. Go early

1221
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,239
He thinks swayn's gonna go earlier than. PEOPLE think i

1222
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,119
SEE the i see the draw. To him everybody likes

1223
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,039
a big. Six wing they can handle. The, ball yeah

1224
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:08,000
everage Three, Assistant, dewey yeah somebody told. Me that and

1225
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,400
you got better from three. This year BUT like i can't.

1226
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,719
Really see the question is is how is he going to?

1227
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,599
Be used, you know he's not going to the way

1228
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:16,719
he was Used. IN texas i can't see him being

1229
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,079
used that way IN the nba without like more of

1230
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,519
HIS his a lot of his scoring was, on DRIVES

1231
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,199
and I think nba defenses are going to make it

1232
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,719
a little harder for him to get, a bucket, you

1233
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,159
know and picking rolls or one. On one he's got

1234
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,400
to get better playing up off the dribble. And SHOOTING

1235
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,519
but i do like him as a secondary guy who's

1236
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,320
going to defend a couple. Of positions he's going to

1237
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,079
get out, and transition get easy buckets and you know in. Secondary,

1238
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,119
actions yeah he'll make some plays off the dribble and

1239
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:48,159
get to the rack and you hope that he could

1240
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:52,480
just make enough. Open three so he's an interesting vet

1241
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,800
to make in the very. ENTICING archetype i have a

1242
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,360
little bit. LESS confidence i wish, he was like if

1243
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,559
this was after his first year he was, Doing this

1244
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,000
I'd be i'd be more enticed to h to take

1245
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,960
him in. A lottery, so yeah well we'll see where.

1246
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,000
He goes but definitely one of the more interesting guys as.

1247
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: A sucker for jet pack.

1248
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: Floor spacers let's call Him Is Trayvon brazil gonna break

1249
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,000
MY heart.

1250
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,199
Speaker 4: I love I had, i remember and it was probably

1251
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:21,639
two or three years ago at THIS point i had

1252
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,039
him as a potential lottery pick on my mock draft

1253
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:28,199
boards and then he really hurt his knee and the

1254
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,920
explosion wasn't there and he came back. This year, BUT

1255
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,480
yeah i do think here he reminds Me Of. OBI

1256
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,840
topping i MEAN that's i think the type of game

1257
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:41,079
that he'll the blueprint that he's got to follow if

1258
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,679
he wants a chance AT. THE nba, a big a

1259
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:46,519
big finisher and a guy who could, you know make enough.

1260
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:47,599
OPEN threes.

1261
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,239
Speaker 1: I also think he's gonna end up being better defensively Than.

1262
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,440
Kohlil ware that is my reckless take of the Podcast

1263
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,719
that i'll fire. Off here are there any prospects that

1264
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,360
you think you need to put that we should put

1265
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,159
on a radar that maybe you like better than, the

1266
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,880
consensus or you just don't think that are receiving enough

1267
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,599
attention Adding?

1268
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: INTO tuesday, I mean i think From what i'm hearing

1269
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,440
like and one of the interesting Guys Is taris Reid.

1270
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:17,159
From yukon i've Seen some i've heard from from people

1271
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,199
who who have him in the first round, for sure

1272
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,960
and he's getting looked at. Even earlier whether they pulled

1273
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,000
the trigger on him, OR not i. Don't KNOW but

1274
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,400
i did a just like a unique stat query one

1275
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,760
of three GUYS in nba in college history with, you

1276
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,119
know thirteen percent offensive, rebound percentage fifteen percent, assist percentage

1277
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:44,000
and a nine percent. Block rate like he, block shouts

1278
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:47,400
he passes, really well great, offensive rebounder and he's a

1279
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,920
very skilled. Post player kind of a unique combination. OF

1280
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,719
strengths i don't know if he's a star, caliber player

1281
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,320
but he's somebody who's probably going to go in the

1282
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,559
TWENTIES who i think could be a pretty. Unique guy

1283
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:00,800
and then if you want to, play it like go

1284
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:07,679
deeper into the. SLEEPER category, i like WHO do? I like?

1285
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,440
I like, You know caravan is to me somebody who's

1286
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,360
gonna stick for, a while just making, open shots making,

1287
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,559
good decisions. Bringing toughness winner if he goes to a

1288
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:25,159
good Team like hillar minutes. Right, AWAY ah i think

1289
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:28,360
O'cory from stanford is maybe THE guy i have highest

1290
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:32,360
on my board. Who teams he just got invited to

1291
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,960
the green room as one of the last, four guys

1292
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,400
And so corey led TO a sec and scoring as.

1293
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,639
A freshman his scoring tape is ridiculous in terms of.

1294
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:46,480
Creating shots, you know he's six two and the average

1295
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,880
three assists, per game which is why he's not higher up.

1296
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,960
On boards but Also, at stanford like there was there was.

1297
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,519
Nobody else he had to be, the guy and he was,

1298
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,079
the guy and he did it. Pretty efficiently AND so

1299
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,880
i think a low end outcome Is A. Dennis shrewder but,

1300
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,559
to me he's so gifted off the dribble and quick

1301
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,800
with his handle and getting too spots and finishing and

1302
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,079
shooting off the dribble and catch and, shoot Stuff and

1303
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:14,639
stanford guy. LIKE smart i expect him to be more

1304
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,119
of a, you know to figure out the playmaking part

1305
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:19,960
and be good enough to be a starting caliber. Point

1306
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,360
GUARD so i think he's somebody who's probably gonna go

1307
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,800
in the mid to late first round who can give

1308
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:26,440
you better results.

1309
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,039
Speaker 1: Than That Could joshua jefferson fall into that category, at

1310
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:33,519
all just given sort of the shooting and playmaking uptick

1311
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,039
that we saw from him in his fourth year or

1312
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,760
his third Year At, iowa state whatever, It, was.

1313
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 4: YEAH definitely i mean he's, to me HE'S an. NBA

1314
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,199
player i think the ceiling, is limited but you're not

1315
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:49,599
looking for high ceiling guys at, you know thirty three in,

1316
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,480
the draft he was left out of the, green room

1317
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,840
but suggests he's probably gonna go somewhere twenty five to.

1318
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,119
Thirty five his people told me late, first round which

1319
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:05,760
to me means early. Second round, but yeah, he's, like

1320
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:09,679
yeah he does everything. Good enough and in the playmaking,

1321
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,360
THIS year i think a five as is, per game

1322
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,199
so you really got to see him with, the ball

1323
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,920
make passing reads and that that'sto doubt. REALLY high, iq

1324
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,280
guy and he defended really. Well TOO so i Definitely

1325
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,199
like jefferson as a solid early second round pick or

1326
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:27,440
late or late first, round pick particularly, for again a

1327
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,119
playoff team that's not looking for.

1328
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,199
Speaker 1: Super upside my final question for YOU that i ask

1329
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,280
you every single year when you come on, the podcast

1330
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,920
are there any draft player trends or through lines that

1331
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,679
you're monitoring heading into this year's? Prospect passion you mean

1332
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:47,199
in terms of like whether it's team building approach or

1333
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:49,400
is it like a player maybe it's even a specific

1334
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,480
player that, could rise or a player archetype that. Could

1335
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,400
rise i've been asked on doing Post Like nick's Winning

1336
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,079
the title radio and, podcast spots whether teams will be

1337
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:03,079
more inclined to select maybe smaller Guards Because jalen brunson

1338
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,079
just was the best player on a. TITLE team i

1339
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:08,159
think that's that's like a that's interesting. TO me i

1340
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,599
Just Think jalen brunson is so strong in a way

1341
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,400
that a lot of other like it's might be hard.

1342
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,079
To envisions even coming out. Of school you remember this

1343
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:18,280
BETTER than. I did he was he was, pretty, strong

1344
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,880
right he had that, stocky build and so you look

1345
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:21,719
at some of these other.

1346
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:23,719
Speaker 3: Smaller guards or quote unquote smaller.

1347
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,599
Speaker 1: GUARDS here i don't know if anyone profiles is having,

1348
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,519
his STRENGTH which i think is what makes it difficult

1349
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:31,079
for me is that yes he's a, small guard but

1350
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:32,159
he's also built like. A.

1351
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 4: TANK yeah i think that's Definitely been that's been the.

1352
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,760
BIG theme i think that who to a cuff versus

1353
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:43,360
and all these, guys are, you know don't have Great

1354
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,280
size Fleming's Acuff O'cory, bennett sturtz who we didn't talk

1355
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:53,239
ABOUT who i, really love, you know not not super

1356
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:57,239
physically imposing or quick like where they where they're going

1357
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,559
to go and and our team's going to take them

1358
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:02,719
if they have. ANOTHER guard a lot of teams, Have

1359
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,840
guards so how are they going to value these? Smaller,

1360
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,960
GUARDS yeah, I mean i know it's not an. Original

1361
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,719
thing you've brought it, up yourself, but yeah that's probably

1362
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:15,320
would have been, my answer is how teams value these these.

1363
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,880
Little GUARDS and i think the biggest the thing that

1364
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,599
keeps my mind rolling is that group right there from five,

1365
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:25,639
to nine what order do those guys go? A, Cuff

1366
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:30,360
Flemings mike Kel. And woggler because you ask five people

1367
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,119
and you're gonna get five different answers on how they,

1368
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,880
rank them and it all starts With, THE clippers i believe.

1369
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,880
At five And as i've, been told everyone's waiting to

1370
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,599
see what they DO because i, keep, asking like what

1371
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:44,519
order do you think they're going? To go and nobody

1372
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,000
knows until we know exactly Who the clippers take? In Five.

1373
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:51,079
Speaker 1: Was is there anything else about this DRAFT that i

1374
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,079
didn't ask you or you think leading into this draft

1375
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,599
that you need to be Discussed cover you've talked and

1376
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:57,960
written about it for months. Ad nauseum but is there

1377
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,519
anything we didn't cover that you think needs to?

1378
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,119
Speaker 4: Be? HIT no i think we we hit on a

1379
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:04,280
lot of the. Main guys. You know the big thing

1380
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,920
is LIKE n i l bringing bringing back a lot

1381
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,440
of potential first rounders and definitely a lot of, you

1382
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,800
know guys who would normally go thirty to. Forty, five,

1383
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,639
so uh it's it's A shallow it's a. Shallow draft

1384
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:20,400
it's going to continue to become a shallow draft every

1385
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280
year as Long as nil. Is here, you know there

1386
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,199
might be guys who are going in the second ROUND

1387
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,719
who i have not even. Thought about, you know we

1388
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,880
saw a couple of times last year at the end

1389
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,719
of the draft with with guys WHO like i, had,

1390
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,679
to like, you know go look at their stat PAGES

1391
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,719
because i hadn't even thought of them all season as a.

1392
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,920
Draft prospect they almost think some of the some of

1393
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,199
these teams are going to be like at the end of,

1394
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:49,079
the draft they'd rather take a shot and on somebody

1395
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,760
totally wacky and out of. The box then draft of,

1396
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:54,960
the draft one of the, you know the main guys

1397
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,599
who was like a bottom of THE barrel nba, Combine

1398
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,559
INVITE so i think that'll be interesting. To see and,

1399
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,800
also nobody, you know the value of these second round

1400
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,320
picks is just, really declining and we'll see how that

1401
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:06,840
plays out in.

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Speaker 1: This draft it's funny too because now teams ARE actually

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i Was asking i've asked people, about this teams are

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struggling how to value first round picks now too because

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of the. Lottery REFORM so, i guess and does that

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impact how you have to are gonna have to go

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about doing your? Job now obviously doesn't apply to, this

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draft but in seasons the comer is that NOT something

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i guess you have to? Think about is it MORE

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of i guess when you're, doing mocks does that make

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it more, difficult though or is lottery reform not gonna

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impact how you have to approach this?

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Speaker 4: At, All yeah i'm Not gonna it's not going to

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affect THE way I do mox. Just yet although until we're,

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in it until it's like we're in, THAT year i.

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DON'T know i. DON'T know i HAVEN'T really i haven't

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really thought about it. Too much but. We'll see we'll

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see how. It goes every every couple. Of years the

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process kind of evolves. And.

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Speaker 1: Changes west thank you as always for this sixty to

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seventy minute sprint through the upcoming. Draft class you're able

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just to tell, where listeners viewers really confined you in

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all the great work that.

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Speaker 4: YOU Do Nba draft Bass, on twitter and we'll have

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an updated mock draft probably like every day up until

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the mock up until the actual draft, as usual and,

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then yeah for the draft, this Year, bleacher Report bleacher.

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REPORT app i guess it's going to be on live

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throughout both rounds with Me And, jake fisher so tune in.

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Speaker 2: For that that'll be a lot. Of fun when you're

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twenty twenty seven mock draft in the day after, the draft.

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Speaker 4: Day after That's what i'm working.

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Speaker 2: On today thank you again So. MUCH watch i really

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appreciate your time as always.

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Speaker 4: Taking care, All, right dan good to talk. To me