Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out going deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Matt. Legendary is such an odd term,
Speaker 1: but I want to use the term legendary because she
Speaker 1: started in this industry a while ago, which I'd like
Speaker 1: to get into right in the prime of my like
Speaker 1: going to the video store down the street and pretending
Speaker 1: you're eighteen years old and grabbing a copy of a
Speaker 1: DVD and then walking out there, she was right on
Speaker 1: front and center of it. A great show starts with
Speaker 1: a great guest, so let me introduce you to my
Speaker 1: friend for the evening. You'll know her from such films
Speaker 1: as Antal, Cougar Country and Double Penetration Tryouts three. You
Speaker 1: find links to everything she does, from social media to
Speaker 1: her own OnlyFans at Sadie Summers dot com, and links
Speaker 1: to all of that's going to be in the episode description.
Speaker 1: As always, my guest tonight, the stunning Sadie Summers. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 3: So we are. I'm in the process of re branding
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 1: My co host left not in a negative way, wanted
Speaker 1: to spend more time with his family, and I have
Speaker 1: excessive free time.
Speaker 3: We still do our comedy show whatever.
Speaker 1: When I saw Okay, Sadie Summers, you know, I spoke
Speaker 1: to your public system you could potentially get her on.
Speaker 1: And I do a little bit of the background on it, right,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh my god, this is Sadie Summers.
Speaker 3: But this is someone else too, isn't it.
Speaker 1: So I normally start these off by asking how you
Speaker 1: got into the adult entertainment industry, but this isn't like
Speaker 1: your first rodeo. You've actually had like two starts in
Speaker 1: your history. Would you might giving us a quick recap
Speaker 1: on how Toby Pacific, the performer from my heavy porn
Speaker 1: watching college days, went away and came back at Sadie Summers.
Speaker 2: So if you know Sobi, you must have been into
Speaker 2: some really dirty stuff. Ye ye, well but I know, yeah, unfortnately,
Speaker 2: this is my second rodeo. So when I was nineteen
Speaker 2: years old, back from my little, tiny hometown, I essentially,
Speaker 2: when I was much younger, I found a movie that
Speaker 2: changed my life. And that movie was Behind the Green Door.
Speaker 3: Maybe you've heard of it, Oh yes, I have, and
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: Like became that I was fascinated with the fact that
Speaker 2: people would like do all these sexual acts on camera.
Speaker 2: And so when I was nineteen, I answered a Craigslist
Speaker 2: ad with the intention of doing porn and then away
Speaker 2: I went.
Speaker 3: So, then let me ask you why leave?
Speaker 2: It's interesting? Right? So at the time I was dating
Speaker 2: do you know anything about whitewater kayaking?
Speaker 1: No, I thought you were going to say, do you
Speaker 1: know anything about pornography? In two thousand and nine, I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I know everything, Sadie, please continue
Speaker 1: water kayaking out of my lane.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's out of most people's lanes. It's a very
Speaker 2: niche sport. But I was dating a professional whitewater kayaker
Speaker 2: who we spent a lot of time traveling around a
Speaker 2: different mountaintown. So, like, aside from doing pornography, I'm really
Speaker 2: into mountain biking and hiking and skiing. I am like
Speaker 2: a whole other person outside of that, and we wanted
Speaker 2: to spend more time in little mountaintowns and with Barn,
Speaker 2: you have to really be in LA, and LA wasn't
Speaker 2: really our vibe at the time, so took a step out.
Speaker 2: But it's hard to get in when you're not doing
Speaker 2: it all the time. So it wasn't really an intentional break.
Speaker 2: It was like, I'm nineteen, twenty twenty one. I want
Speaker 2: to experiment and do everything from porn to mountain biking
Speaker 2: to whatever, and so it was kind of like that thing,
Speaker 2: just figuring out what I wanted to do, more than
Speaker 2: intentional retire.
Speaker 1: So if you were in LA and they were looking
Speaker 1: for a performer and say you hadn't shot in a
Speaker 1: little while, is that something you would have considered at
Speaker 1: the time. But it just seemed to any time an
Speaker 1: opportunity came up, you were halfway up a mountain somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it, right, and you have to be there
Speaker 2: to be able to take the last minute calls. And
Speaker 2: that wasn't a sacrifice. I was willing to make it
Speaker 2: the time, all the time. So that's it really boils
Speaker 2: down to that, Like if I would have been ready
Speaker 2: and available, I would have done it, but my circumstances
Speaker 2: kind of took me home for sure.
Speaker 1: So you weren't one of these performers that left and
Speaker 1: you were like fuck the industry amount da da da D.
Speaker 3: It was totally positive.
Speaker 2: It was just it was really positive. And even when
Speaker 2: like I went and like led a normal civilian life
Speaker 2: and people would ask me about plorn. I wouldn't be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, no, I can't believe it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what seems you want to see? What do you want
Speaker 2: to ask you about? Like, I'm very proud of the
Speaker 2: fact I did it, So there was nothing negative at all.
Speaker 2: It was just I wanted to do other stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you talk about how you made money during that
Speaker 1: time while you were away? Were you shirpying people up mountains?
Speaker 3: I was no.
Speaker 2: I told people exactly. I've always even read like my
Speaker 2: like my mom and my dad, my family. I've always
Speaker 2: been really abuff word with everyone. I don't like lying.
Speaker 2: My memory is too bad to keep up with it.
Speaker 2: It's complicated, and like I am who I am, So
Speaker 2: I told everybody what I was doing.
Speaker 1: How about okay, but how about after you quote unquote
Speaker 1: left you know, were you I mean, were you very
Speaker 1: lucky to be with someone who had tons of money
Speaker 1: or did you have to pursue another career after that?
Speaker 3: And what was that like? Pursuing another career after that?
Speaker 2: It was so I went into nursing, and like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you know anything about nurses, but I
Speaker 2: feel like, we are severely overrepresented in the sex workspace.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I know two things about nurses. I've
Speaker 1: never been able to make one laugh. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. Medical professionals will not fucking laugh at
Speaker 1: my jokes. And too, I dated a nursing college those
Speaker 1: vocab tests. In the first year, I couldn't pronounce ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the words she had to memorize. So perps
Speaker 1: to nurses, I give it up. Years are great. Doctors
Speaker 1: pop their heads in and go like, looks like cancer
Speaker 1: and then walk out. The nurses are in there doing
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty. So you actually you, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: very impressive. You go from you know now, I say this,
Speaker 1: and I don't say it from my point of view.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do what I do from my point of
Speaker 1: view and feel this way. So let me say that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have the impression of sex workers,
Speaker 1: porn stars, adult industry people whatever as like, oh, too
Speaker 1: lazy to go get a real job, Toom to go,
Speaker 1: kid Tom to get a real joh blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Every One in the adult industry I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to could be marketers for you. Know fortune five
Speaker 1: hundred companies. It feels like there's people I've spoken to
Speaker 1: who are like, yeah, well, I was on the track
Speaker 1: from med school and then I just decided I'd rather
Speaker 1: make my money.
Speaker 3: On my back. Good for you if it's out there.
Speaker 1: For there is no guy sitting in an office nine
Speaker 1: to five with a fucking fluorescent light flickering over his
Speaker 1: head who wouldn't rather fuck to make money.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's the reality of the world. It's jealousness, it's
Speaker 1: whatever moral judgment however it is. So you went and
Speaker 1: you found a nice, quote unquote respectable job as a nurse.
Speaker 3: What brings you back to the industry.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say it like that respectable, right, because
Speaker 2: it's almost like I want to turn that on its
Speaker 2: head so you'll have the general population. I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 2: like you're a nurse, like what an holding member of society?
Speaker 2: And it's like, really, no, the government, like the standard
Speaker 2: of care is not great. I can't take care of
Speaker 2: people the way I want. Like people are consistent in
Speaker 2: getting fucked by the medical system. I felt more like
Speaker 2: a whore than they did being a nurse. I ever
Speaker 2: have selling sex for money, and that I will take
Speaker 2: that to my grave, like I'm an intelligent human being,
Speaker 2: but they absolutely fuck you and you have no say,
Speaker 2: and you're dealing with people in the worst times of
Speaker 2: their lives and you don't have the tools to help
Speaker 2: them in the way you want. Like, it's just it's
Speaker 2: such a great profess to be in, but it's really
Speaker 2: soul sucking. I was going to ask you, how he
Speaker 2: as much of a helper as you want.
Speaker 3: How exhausting is it? Though?
Speaker 1: Have you ever slept better than a twelve hour shift
Speaker 1: after nursing?
Speaker 2: It's so fucked because I can't sleep after them. I
Speaker 2: get home at six am, and you're just like, it's
Speaker 2: the daytime, and then it's I can't sleep in the
Speaker 2: day and so it's like it's so exhausting, but I
Speaker 2: also can't sleep after nursing. Ships.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, you moved back into the industry. What was said?
Speaker 3: When did you decide?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 3: Way did you just go one day? You're just like
Speaker 3: going to do that?
Speaker 1: Wait, let me, was there time between ending nursing and
Speaker 1: deciding to jump back into the industry.
Speaker 2: No, I'm still a licensed nurse with a job. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't really work it anymore. Like quite frankly, when
Speaker 2: I first started back and forth, I took a paypet like,
Speaker 2: I'm I have a lot of experience. I have almost
Speaker 2: fifteen years nursing, and that comes with, you know, like
Speaker 2: a certain amount of experience and stuff that I can
Speaker 2: offer to my different employers. So my wage was really high.
Speaker 2: My husband came to me and he was like, we're
Speaker 2: both miserable. We got to do something else. He was
Speaker 2: an equipment operator in a gold mine, Like that is
Speaker 2: a fucked up job. So two weeks out of the
Speaker 2: month he would be gone and I'd be home with
Speaker 2: a kid, working and like trying to make shit happen,
Speaker 2: and it's like why are we doing this? Like you
Speaker 2: just feel like when did you wake up? And you're
Speaker 2: in the rat race? And he had always been a
Speaker 2: fan of Toby, so he knew who I was before
Speaker 2: we met. We met in a little ski town, which
Speaker 2: super cute story, but anyways, he was kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, what can we do when I started talking
Speaker 2: about only fans together in twenty twenty two, and then
Speaker 2: it just evolved from there. He knew that I'm a
Speaker 2: talented adult performer, and he knew that there's something there.
Speaker 1: So there was no part of me asking if it's personal,
Speaker 1: let me know. Is he in the industry or he
Speaker 1: was just a fan of you you prior to the industry.
Speaker 2: He was a fan of me prior to the industry.
Speaker 2: He's in it now, okay, but mostly I don't want
Speaker 2: to say stunt cock, but that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: So he's in all of my like homemade OnlyFans videos.
Speaker 2: It's an exceptional performer. I want him to do more.
Speaker 3: He's shy now, okay.
Speaker 1: So I always love when when Portster's talk about relationships
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, they're okay. So he was a
Speaker 1: fan before, so obviously there is there an openness to
Speaker 1: your marriage outside of filming or is there a business
Speaker 1: and a personal aspect to it?
Speaker 3: If I can ansy and like to.
Speaker 2: Be I love talking about this because, like, honestly, and
Speaker 2: I'm just going to be really vulnerable. It's something we're
Speaker 2: still figuring out. So there's a level of openness. We're
Speaker 2: not open in the fact like when I come home,
Speaker 2: I'm not going out on dates and having sex outside
Speaker 2: of our marriage, but I also go on my work
Speaker 2: trips and I'm like, hey, Johnnyson, do you want to
Speaker 2: so I have this ability to be able to step
Speaker 2: outside my marriage in a very controlled environment. We're trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what that looks like on his end.
Speaker 2: So it's like he's not necessarily interested in doing proceedings
Speaker 2: or even collaborations with other talent, and so we're figuring
Speaker 2: out what are the ground rules of him dating outside
Speaker 2: of our marriage. I don't want a date outside, but
Speaker 2: I'd like him to date outside. Okay, it's it's honestly,
Speaker 2: it's so complicated. We're figuring it out.
Speaker 1: Is it easier and I don't mean in a cheating way,
Speaker 1: Is it easier to just have the fucking outside of
Speaker 1: marriage than it is to have the dating outside of marriage?
Speaker 3: I would assume. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we get like tripped up. It's like,
Speaker 2: it would be so great if you just have like
Speaker 2: a roster of girls ca me like come over and fuck,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately, like most women don't work that way. If
Speaker 2: you want to go on tender, it's like finding it,
Speaker 2: you know, there's like a little bit of dating, and
Speaker 2: it's not always me that's uncomfortable with it, it's also him.
Speaker 2: So it's figuring out a way. I even said, like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: let's just like escort. He's like, no, I'm not into
Speaker 2: that either, And I understand that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like, even though you're still figuring
Speaker 1: it out, you have a really solid relationship, like solid
Speaker 1: ground for it to be on, because something may happen
Speaker 1: and one of you may decide, like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't really like that. But it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: just from talking to you the short amount of time
Speaker 1: I've talked to you, that that would be an earth
Speaker 1: shattering thing for your relationship.
Speaker 2: It's not like even me for it, Like I'll be
Speaker 2: totally open. Like I had sex off of camera with
Speaker 2: a collaboration partner and that wasn't necessarily okay without like
Speaker 2: a prior discussion about it, but that's something we learned
Speaker 2: by doing it right. It's like I did a collaboration
Speaker 2: and then we were so into it we just kept
Speaker 2: fucking afterwards. And I was totally above board and honest.
Speaker 2: As soon as I told my husband, he's like clammed up,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh shit, you don't like that. So
Speaker 2: then we're talking about like what are the actual parameters?
Speaker 2: But this stuff is so healthy. It's like we can
Speaker 2: talk about sex, yeah, right, it's like it's complicated, but
Speaker 2: we're hot.
Speaker 1: So again we're still establishing rules. But do we have
Speaker 1: anything that is on his quote unquote no list for
Speaker 1: you in terms of scenes? Is there something and I
Speaker 1: want to get to fetishes and kinks and stuff like
Speaker 1: that that you may be interested in or you may
Speaker 1: have lost interest in later on in the show. But
Speaker 1: is there anything for him where if you brought it
Speaker 1: to him, he might be like he might do by
Speaker 1: the way, I've done that same thing too, when you
Speaker 1: just kind of claim up and you get quiet, like
Speaker 1: you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh, say to yeah that was nice. Yeah, no, good good,
Speaker 3: you had a good time. Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I can always tell the scenes he's really into like,
Speaker 2: he's not really into my when I do proceeds. He's
Speaker 2: not into my steps on stuff as much. He wants
Speaker 2: to see me dominated by like a big black hawk
Speaker 2: or somebody would like. He wants to see me dominated
Speaker 2: by someone presenting as a strong, solid man. He never
Speaker 2: wants to see doesn't like me as like the dom
Speaker 2: or the instigator, probably because he also knows me so
Speaker 2: well that he as I'm a sub and that's not
Speaker 2: my truest form. Sure, but I'd say there's really no nos.
Speaker 2: It's more like is he going to drip off to
Speaker 2: this or not? Okay, okay, all right, so that's my
Speaker 2: that's my pronicer.
Speaker 1: Sure, so he has preferences for what now what? I
Speaker 1: guess that's what you just said.
Speaker 3: Just a real.
Speaker 1: Dominant, good looking guy really making you happy in that instance.
Speaker 2: BBC, he loves right, And I think it's just because
Speaker 2: the contrast looks so hot, Like I take like huge
Speaker 2: clocks really well, even though I'm so small for some reason,
Speaker 2: just the way my body works, and so it looks
Speaker 2: like shocking and amazing, and then I'm enjoying it. So
Speaker 2: I think he just likes like the visual opposition.
Speaker 1: Last question before we go to break. I've talked about
Speaker 1: this with other performers, and I'm always interested. You said
Speaker 1: you're naturally a sub, but I'm interesting in what I
Speaker 1: always look at it. There's two main types of gang
Speaker 1: bang scenes.
Speaker 3: By the way, do you enjoy gang bang scenes or no?
Speaker 2: I love them?
Speaker 3: Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 1: There's two types. There's one where Sadie is the ragged
Speaker 1: and almost like all due respect to you, being passed
Speaker 1: around like a flashlight at New year's party in a frat.
Speaker 1: Then there's the other one where you're somewhat more of
Speaker 1: the dom It's almost like you over here, you fill
Speaker 1: this one up.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Do you have a preference for those scenes and does
Speaker 1: that go back if you choose the first one to
Speaker 1: me more of your sub nature?
Speaker 2: I think like, and this might be a cop like
Speaker 2: someone combining the two. So it's like, I'm not into
Speaker 2: being like passed around like a rag doll. Like to me,
Speaker 2: I hear like free use when you're saying that a
Speaker 2: little bit, but it's like, I know that's not the intention.
Speaker 2: Is like I want to be an active participants. So
Speaker 2: it's like I want to be super submissive and passed around.
Speaker 2: But when they pass me around and I get on
Speaker 2: the dick, I know exactly what to do. I'm fucking
Speaker 2: like enthusiastic. I'm dominating the cock, but I'm submissive in
Speaker 2: like the next thing that's going to happen. They're going
Speaker 2: to put me there and they're going to take me there.
Speaker 2: I like being led by the guys in the scenes,
Speaker 2: but then when I'm there, it's like making the enthusiasm
Speaker 2: happen if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: No, that does that makes sense. Yeah, you're there in
Speaker 1: the submission. But at the same time, maybe if there's
Speaker 1: a lag, you go, hey, fellas Dick need it over here.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. And I'm like an extreme like I'm like
Speaker 2: a confidence sub like I know what I want. So
Speaker 2: it's not happening. Yeah, they're like bring it over or
Speaker 2: like I'll know what to do, but I do like
Speaker 2: to let them leave.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very cool. We're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: break and come right back. Remember you can go to
Speaker 1: Sadie Summers dot com to find everything she's done. Normally,
Speaker 1: I run through the list of plugs.
Speaker 3: I go, oh, the Instagram is this, and the Twitter's this,
Speaker 3: and it's terrible when they're all different.
Speaker 2: That's why we have this all right here.
Speaker 3: But ladies and gentlemen, Sadie Summers dot com, we're gonna
Speaker 3: take a break. We will be right back.
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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna play I said, what, we like.
Speaker 2: You when you're any girls talks to you.
Speaker 3: I said, what, I'm kind of obsessed with course cors Sadie.
Speaker 1: I said, what is the world famous game show that
Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of?
Speaker 3: It's very simple.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a ten second clip from you from
Speaker 1: a scene you were in and need you to identify
Speaker 1: what website or movie the clip is from, so multiple choys,
Speaker 1: So after each clip, I'll give you three options to
Speaker 1: choose from. We can also re listen to the clip
Speaker 1: as many times as you need to. Do you have
Speaker 1: any questions for me or you're at did play?
Speaker 2: I said, I'm so ready, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Okay, first clip that I have for you today, Sadie Summers.
Speaker 2: Was just a little bit faster. I'm learning so much.
Speaker 2: What does it taste like? Diego?
Speaker 3: Yes, Diego? We all want to know what does it
Speaker 3: taste like? Sadie?
Speaker 1: Was that from the website anal only dot com? Caughtfapping
Speaker 1: dot com? Or brutal fisting dot com?
Speaker 2: That is caught sapping with the lovery little many Diego Sanchez.
Speaker 3: That is correct, That is correct.
Speaker 2: That was a good scene. Yeah, Purple Lingerie?
Speaker 3: Was it purple or red might have been purple. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Number two, I need to know what website you shot
Speaker 1: this scene for, based solely on the audio stuff me
Speaker 1: full stuff me full stuff, me full, I believe was
Speaker 1: your exact quote.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna so it's either DP diva.
Speaker 1: You okay, here are your choices A Evil Angel dot com,
Speaker 1: bet DP diva dot com or C B J Rowl
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Fu. Oh fuck, it's not because that was just me
Speaker 2: and Romeo evil A. So I want to I actually
Speaker 2: I think it was Evil Angel. I think it was.
Speaker 3: Ding ding Ding.
Speaker 2: That is correct, boys, Rob.
Speaker 1: Okay, So for future future advice, maybe I need to
Speaker 1: not have the person's name in it.
Speaker 2: Uh did I say it? I think the first but
Speaker 2: Rob has like me and Rob Rob was also a
Speaker 2: little bit of a Toby have a need connection.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, then he may remember this scene this is from.
Speaker 3: I need the movie title, which is always so strange
Speaker 3: for you guys, because you could make a scene and
Speaker 3: it could get passed around to six different compilations, twenty
Speaker 3: five different compilations. Whatever it is. So the movie title
Speaker 3: for this clip, oh yes, it is what you fucking
Speaker 3: fucking us.
Speaker 2: Sold for the title. Is that full Anal Nelson?
Speaker 3: Let me give you your choices. No, no, no, no no,
Speaker 3: let me give you your choices.
Speaker 1: A assault that ass nine, B Anal consumptions five or
Speaker 1: C the classic one of my favorite series of all time.
Speaker 1: Down the Hatch twenty.
Speaker 3: A. It's a it is not it is in fact.
Speaker 2: B Yes, it's the compilation. That's it. I'm on the
Speaker 2: box stepper. So I was going with sweet that too,
Speaker 2: but that one, I'm pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: It is interesting. Yes, So all right, we've established that
Speaker 3: game does work.
Speaker 2: It's fun to hear yourself really Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I've never had that feeling before. But more power to you.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Toby Pacific for a little bit.
Speaker 1: You said, when you start your career in twenty what
Speaker 1: is it two thousand and five, you start as Toby Pacific, right,
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, So that is my favorite era of content.
Speaker 1: Like if you look back at all of my favorite
Speaker 1: performance it's so funny. I've I've gone six weeks without
Speaker 1: getting laid in the last twenty two years. So I'm
Speaker 1: not a guy who's like hard up to you know.
Speaker 1: I met my wife when we were nineteen, after I
Speaker 1: got out of a relationship and it's just been off
Speaker 1: since then. But there's something I just enjoy about porn,
Speaker 1: and I've always enjoyed about porn. It's happy people, hot
Speaker 1: people doing fun things you know should be on ESPN.
Speaker 3: So Toby Pacific.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a couple of people from quote unquote back
Speaker 1: in that day.
Speaker 3: I've talked to Gauge, who I am a huge fan.
Speaker 3: She seems like Aura. I have not talked to Aurora.
Speaker 3: I would love to talk to Aurora. I'll give you
Speaker 3: my top fucking five right now of that time period
Speaker 3: if you want, Oh really, okay, number let's do five. Ready,
Speaker 3: let's let's go from five.
Speaker 1: Uh Fay runaway number five, beautiful redhead, right no, no,
Speaker 1: Fay Reagan, Yeah yeah, yeah, okay. Number four is Gihonna Michaels.
Speaker 1: Number three. Now, these last three you're gonna be like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you pulled them out of nowhere? Heather slash Paris Gabe
Speaker 1: don't I don't know?
Speaker 3: Wow? Okay.
Speaker 1: She worked a lot with Extreme associates back then, and
Speaker 1: she took on a persona. It was when The Simple
Speaker 1: Life was big or whatever that show. She became okay,
Speaker 1: and number two would be Cammy Andrews. Okay, and number one,
Speaker 1: my all time favorite, all all time favorite is Gia Paloma.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna ask you, so, Geo, I've got
Speaker 2: some good stories. Gia Paloma as dirty, dirty, dirty girl.
Speaker 2: She was an exceptional performer. She loved the fuck. I
Speaker 2: never got to fuck her, but the guy I started
Speaker 2: in porn with wound up going to do a scene
Speaker 2: with her and two other girls. One of them was
Speaker 2: Derek Kay's wife at the time, Hannah. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 2: he was married to this gorgeous British girl name I
Speaker 2: forget what her last name was, Hannah. But Gia was
Speaker 2: just something I remember looking at her as like a young,
Speaker 2: younger performer, and like I wanted to emulate that, Like
Speaker 2: she was so hardcore, she would do everything.
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of my question to you, and
Speaker 3: my question about that time.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because if you look back at some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that was going on at that time,
Speaker 1: people might be like, oh, that's what warped their minds.
Speaker 1: But no, I got a podcast interviewing porn stars. I
Speaker 1: turned out great. What it was was the how how
Speaker 1: I didn't like the real disgusting stuff. It's just not
Speaker 1: my thing.
Speaker 2: But they're real disgusting. Is that like Max hardcore is like,
Speaker 2: I'm all.
Speaker 3: Max Hardcore not my thing. I'm not. I'm not like
Speaker 3: a vomit guy. I'm not like anything neither.
Speaker 2: It's too much. I know some guys love it, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not for me.
Speaker 2: But like red light your thing, I don't know, what
Speaker 2: is that? Red light district?
Speaker 1: Oh, red light district A little you know, almost a
Speaker 1: little too produced. I was more of like an extreme
Speaker 1: associates guy. But what I always liked was a girl
Speaker 1: like Giapaloma who It's like, no, I don't if in
Speaker 1: your own fantasy, you know, that's what guys do. You
Speaker 1: put yourself in the fantasy of it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, I would just slap
Speaker 1: fuck her and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: No I wouldn't. I was a fucking loser. I still am.
Speaker 1: What I do like, though, was all of the women
Speaker 1: back then their assertiveness towards sex. It was you know
Speaker 1: I need this, now, come on, give it to me.
Speaker 1: Dirty talk is a huge thing for me. I recently
Speaker 1: got my wife thought dirty talking that's pretty great. But like,
Speaker 1: just the mouths on some of these girls back then
Speaker 1: would make sailors blush and I like it.
Speaker 2: I think that's why Sasha Gray did so well when
Speaker 2: she came on the scene, because she was like this
Speaker 2: little nineteen year old, but she talked like a fifty
Speaker 2: year old melf and it's like fuck is coming out
Speaker 2: of her mouth? Like her dirty talk was amazing.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, Sasha Gray was, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I could go down the list of all the girls
Speaker 3: at the time, but it imprints you when you first
Speaker 3: get into Lisa's spark. So I believe I should be
Speaker 3: interviewing at some point soon just you know the Queens's
Speaker 3: that's what you all were, and you were right up
Speaker 3: there on I swear to you. I got to go
Speaker 3: back and look. I think one of the first DVDs
Speaker 3: I ever bought had you on it.
Speaker 2: I love that so much.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you.
Speaker 1: We talked about how extreme things were back then, right
Speaker 1: two thousand and five to.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: What is different on a porn set, both either for
Speaker 1: better or for worse? Like you show up on set
Speaker 1: to shoot a scene, how different is it?
Speaker 3: Twenty years later? Nineteen years later.
Speaker 2: I'd say, like, honestly like the respectfulness. It's like both
Speaker 2: like relatively the same. When I got into porn, I
Speaker 2: thought it would beely senior than I was. I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to have to fight off sexual assaults left,
Speaker 2: right and center.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: But one of the biggest differences for me is the
Speaker 2: overt discussion of consent and what is appropriate, And so
Speaker 2: one big thing for me at nineteen years old, like
Speaker 2: I didn't have this assertive voice. If we were doing
Speaker 2: a scene and then all of a sudden someone was
Speaker 2: doing something I didn't necessarily like like or felt good
Speaker 2: in the scene, I would not stop and say cut,
Speaker 2: like let's not do this. I would just like perform
Speaker 2: through it and keep going because I wanted to make
Speaker 2: a banging scene. And I feel like, until you read
Speaker 2: a certain age of your life, it's so hard to
Speaker 2: like speak up, especially in a crowd, when you're doing
Speaker 2: this work. So I love the fact that on the
Speaker 2: front end of shoots they do like a consent checklist
Speaker 2: with you. Even some studios that you might think it
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. Some of the dirtiest ones will sit
Speaker 2: there and go through like a body checklist. I'll be
Speaker 2: your yes in your nose. But for me, it's so
Speaker 2: good for like the younger generation of girls or even
Speaker 2: older girls you haven't on their voices yet, to just
Speaker 2: have that off the get go. Like for me, I
Speaker 2: hate it, hate it when guys try to get me
Speaker 2: the squirt. So for me, that's always been like a no.
Speaker 2: But maybe I didn't always communicate that when I was nineteen.
Speaker 2: Now I would, but I always have the opportunity because
Speaker 2: it's like an overt discussion. It was almost every single
Speaker 2: studio you go to. And also you know, the performers
Speaker 2: have a little bit more power with the fact that
Speaker 2: they can just go to their only fans if they're
Speaker 2: successful enough and make all their money. Like I love
Speaker 2: making movies for studios. I love the production aspect. I
Speaker 2: don't need it if I don't.
Speaker 3: Want it, That's what I was. OnlyFans seems to have
Speaker 3: and then all the other ones, fansily and all of
Speaker 3: those have really seemed to kind of turn the power
Speaker 3: lot it has.
Speaker 2: And it's also given guys more agency. Like they used
Speaker 2: to treat the men in the industry like shit. Their
Speaker 2: day rates were terrible, the amount of work guys they're
Speaker 2: expected to do for what you have to do is insane.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they sometimes they're like, well, you're fucking
Speaker 2: for money, you should be grateful. It's like no, like
Speaker 2: some of these guys are taking men's they're fucking their
Speaker 2: bodies up. They're so stressed out, like, but now they're
Speaker 2: getting famous in their own right and they can demand
Speaker 2: a day rate that is what girls' day rates used
Speaker 2: to be back in the day. And I like them
Speaker 2: having a bit more agency. It's been forced, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure videos and directors probably have a beef with a
Speaker 2: bit of that because they don't have as much authority
Speaker 2: over the talent pool as he used to.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, it's really like I said, it felt like
Speaker 3: it turned everything on its head.
Speaker 1: So I've interviewed so many performers who tell me like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like shooting with name sight, but really it's an
Speaker 1: advertisement for my only fans, Like it's just you know, hey,
Speaker 1: Sadie Summer's name is.
Speaker 3: Out there now. Oh shit, that scene was great. Oh
Speaker 3: I have a membership to that? Does she have an
Speaker 3: only fans?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: So? What was that again?
Speaker 1: You you ever seen the movie Last from the Past
Speaker 1: with Brendan Frasier, fuck you. Okay, all right, what was
Speaker 1: it like walking out of your time capsule? That was
Speaker 1: this is how porn was into, This is how porn is.
Speaker 2: It's like it's really just like the talent what they
Speaker 2: say goes. If they want mgen testing monthly, they're gonna
Speaker 2: fucking get it and if like so, it's kind of
Speaker 2: it's like it's really like I stepped out into Like
Speaker 2: it's almost as if.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: You know, when like Ken goes out in Barbie World
Speaker 2: and he realizes like the way things are, it's like
Speaker 2: you walk out and it's like things are better for
Speaker 2: the performers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was so happy.
Speaker 2: I was really happy to see that. It's like, God,
Speaker 2: it's detriment in other places. I love studio production. I
Speaker 2: like like porn production, the professional aspect of it. I
Speaker 2: hate that it's kind of like going a little bit
Speaker 2: by the wayside. It's just the way it goes. But
Speaker 2: it's really just like everyone that was performing had more
Speaker 2: of a stay and what they were doing when how
Speaker 2: and for how much money, and the studios had to conform.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, we're gonna take one more break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with one more game and we will
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Speaker 3: All right, we're back, Sadie. I have one more game
Speaker 3: for you here.
Speaker 1: I'm here with my guest for the night, Sadie Summers.
Speaker 1: I almost said the host, the host for the night,
Speaker 1: Sadie Summers. Let's go to our next game here, which
Speaker 1: I'm again trying out for the first time. I call
Speaker 1: it because I'm so creative and intelligent and smart and
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 3: Porn words.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: Porn Words is a lot like the game Password, but
Speaker 1: the guests are porn stars and the answers are porn
Speaker 1: categories or terms. So I'm going to give you a
Speaker 1: clue on what the word could be, and your job
Speaker 1: is just to tell me what the word is. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't say any form of the answer in my clues.
Speaker 1: You can pass at any time, and if there's still
Speaker 1: time on the clock, we'll go back to get the
Speaker 1: ones you missed. Okay, not to be a hack or anything,
Speaker 1: but you'll have sixty nine seconds on the clock and
Speaker 1: ten terms. Figure out, Sadie, Do you have any questions.
Speaker 3: Game? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right, ten words. You're gonna have to figure out
Speaker 1: what they are based on my direction. You have one
Speaker 1: minute and nine seconds on the clock. And go different
Speaker 1: races of people in the scene in a rational two
Speaker 1: in the same.
Speaker 2: Hole DV double badger, double animal.
Speaker 1: Keep going, keep going, double nailed it, okay, dressing up
Speaker 1: like an animal. Free nailed it, got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got it. Oral on a guy, y'all nailed it. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I drank too much water now I have
Speaker 1: to of course, nailed it. Pissing could have been the
Speaker 1: same thing at number six. Don't pull it out and finish,
Speaker 1: leave it in and Sami nailed it okay, related to me,
Speaker 1: same age, but not by blood.
Speaker 2: Oh stepsibly, let's fuck there.
Speaker 3: You go a kink the broader term a kink. Uh,
Speaker 3: he's really added to that.
Speaker 1: Nailed it okay, ten seconds left backdoor, Ana tied up, bondage,
Speaker 1: nailed it, nailed it with five seconds to spare. I
Speaker 1: ran that, but my disgusting pig co host former co
Speaker 1: host yesterday and he got to like question seven, you
Speaker 1: nailed it, you got it all.
Speaker 2: And nailed that. I loved it. I love it until
Speaker 2: you got a dirty mine. Man. Another right job.
Speaker 1: Now for a tiebreaker, because I'm going to put different
Speaker 1: girls up against each other with this stuff for tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: According to IAFD the Internet Adult Film Database as of
Speaker 1: this recording. How many male performers have you worked with?
Speaker 1: Thirty seven fifty.
Speaker 3: One little as Christian than you thought? Yeah, fifty one guys.
Speaker 2: Where did you find that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: You don't know?
Speaker 1: Oh see, am I the only this is how this
Speaker 1: is how creepy I am. I'm like looking at directors,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I really enjoyed that video. I a
Speaker 1: FD is the Internet Adult Film Database like IMDb for movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the porn one.
Speaker 2: I'm glad as as rops.
Speaker 1: There you go, So maybe we should Is there any
Speaker 1: type of scene that in twenty twenty four you won't do?
Speaker 1: But we talked about discussing, take all the discussion.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm not going to fuck a dog? Yeah
Speaker 3: I know, Sadie, Thanks.
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, I actually I don't. I'm not into like
Speaker 2: the double Badge or double metal for me, mostly look
Speaker 2: like I can in visional world and when like which
Speaker 2: that feels good, like rhythmically, logistically one cock in my
Speaker 2: pussy and one in my ass feels so good. But
Speaker 2: there's like a wall between them, and the wall's mine
Speaker 2: against each other. I just yeah, double Badge and double
Speaker 2: annals not for me. Pissing I used to be in you,
Speaker 2: but for some reason, that's my Like somebody just offered
Speaker 2: for me to go to the check and shoot, and
Speaker 2: I would love to, but they really want me to
Speaker 2: do pissing scenes. And I realized that's just something I
Speaker 2: don't I have no interest in doing right now.
Speaker 1: No interest in doing at all, or no interest in
Speaker 1: being pissed on, or no interest in pissing on someone.
Speaker 2: I would love. I will piss on other people. Oh,
Speaker 2: I just have no interest in being pissed on for
Speaker 2: some reason. I used to want to when I was younger,
Speaker 2: So it's interesting, like I want to explore that a bit,
Speaker 2: maybe with my therapist or something. But why now It's
Speaker 2: just it doesn't appeal to me.
Speaker 1: I always play a game, or I used to play
Speaker 1: a game when I would do a different form of
Speaker 1: this show where I would say, what is something, say
Speaker 1: your normal rate is x amount? What is something you
Speaker 1: would take a discount to shoot? A type of scene
Speaker 1: or a fetish or something where you're or a performer
Speaker 1: you want whatever it is something you would take a
Speaker 1: discount to shoot. And then something that dollar amount you
Speaker 1: know it as a matter how high it is The
Speaker 1: example I always use is Sarah Jay's never shot an
Speaker 1: anal scene, and when I spoke to her, she said,
Speaker 1: I've been offered ten thousand dollars to shoot this type
Speaker 1: of scene.
Speaker 3: It's just not my interest. I have no interest in it.
Speaker 1: And annals more of like a normal thing. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you now Producers that are listening to this,
Speaker 1: don't think you get to shorter on this, but what
Speaker 1: type of scene would you maybe consider possibly taking a
Speaker 1: discount to shoot.
Speaker 2: I'd say at this point, what I want to shoot
Speaker 2: more than anything as a gang bang with like the
Speaker 2: most amount of facials that I can possibly get, And
Speaker 2: for me, that would be something I would actually take
Speaker 2: a discount on because I know it's extremely expensive for
Speaker 2: anybody to shoot that, especially when you're talking about every
Speaker 2: load you're paying money for. Because I don't want guys
Speaker 2: that are like Craigslist, Hey, come drop a load on
Speaker 2: a cornser's face. I would like men that are professionals.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to do a huge gang bang blukocky
Speaker 2: scene and I would do shu discount. But like you said,
Speaker 2: producers don't taken out of that, you know, for an example,
Speaker 2: and then the ones I wouldn't do would be just
Speaker 2: like what I said, pretty much like no amount of
Speaker 2: money I think at this point, and how like my
Speaker 2: professional integrity and how much I enjoy sex. I don't
Speaker 2: want anything to fuck that up, So I only do
Speaker 2: stuff I like and like. If I want more money,
Speaker 2: I'll just go make.
Speaker 4: It do.
Speaker 1: So when I speak to new girls, they often hit
Speaker 1: me with the tough guy thing where they go, there's
Speaker 1: nothing I wouldn't do.
Speaker 3: You just set a price, all right out like that.
Speaker 2: But it's like you have to have a no list
Speaker 2: or else your everybody's fucking normat like, don't don't.
Speaker 1: It's funny I've created a topic for their no list
Speaker 1: because when they say I would do anything, but I
Speaker 1: just immediately say those two little words race play, and
Speaker 1: they go no no, no, no no no no no no,
Speaker 1: hold on not doing that, no no no. You came
Speaker 1: from a time when race play was a little more prevalent.
Speaker 2: I dared I email done some of it myself, or
Speaker 2: like you you know, said things to man that like
Speaker 2: you would never utter in public. It's like now you
Speaker 2: look back on it and you're like, holy fuck, I
Speaker 2: can't believe like I had said those words. But the
Speaker 2: funny thing is is I have so many like young
Speaker 2: it's mostly like young black men in my only fans
Speaker 2: who want that type of play. So I kind of
Speaker 2: have this dilemma right now where it's like I don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable saying those words. But if the recipient is,
Speaker 2: you know, the person who like the adjectives are representing,
Speaker 2: and they're asking for it, does that make it okay?
Speaker 2: And so I'm kind of like race plays a really
Speaker 2: complicated topic for me because I ultimately just say no,
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with that. But if like a young
Speaker 2: black man is comfortable with it and he wants to
Speaker 2: pay me to do that for him, that's his king.
Speaker 2: Should I say it's? Should I say yes? Is it wrong?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 3: I okay, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who's made some pretty racy jokes in
Speaker 1: the past, not race or ACEE just kind of like
Speaker 1: out there and nutty, it's not it's not a good
Speaker 1: time for it, which sounds like I'm like, you came
Speaker 1: to me and you're asking for a promotion at your job.
Speaker 3: My view is just not a good time.
Speaker 1: Regardless of the male on the other end, Young black
Speaker 1: Eye going like, please say this, I'd want it.
Speaker 2: It's just that's why I feel like too, And that's
Speaker 2: why ultimately i've said now because I just don't want
Speaker 2: clips of me at this day and age saying anything
Speaker 2: like that on the internet. So aside from me wanting
Speaker 2: to fulfill someone's fantasy, because I'm kind of like that
Speaker 2: in a way too, Like I love to be a
Speaker 2: little bit if it's something I'm into a bit of
Speaker 2: a sparing You're like, I want to flow your fantasy,
Speaker 2: so I want to take care of you. But ultimately
Speaker 2: those things are going to be out of me for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life. And so I in mind
Speaker 2: lool about this shit I say and with AI and
Speaker 2: everything else.
Speaker 3: Hey is a real problem by the.
Speaker 2: Way it is, and so it's just like it's complicated.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, I don't do race play right now.
Speaker 2: But it's funny that that's the thing that you say,
Speaker 2: and it probably the girl's probably stuttered because they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I would not do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of girls who are a lot of
Speaker 1: again newer girls I've talked to just coming into the
Speaker 1: industry who are just gung ho as I'm sure all
Speaker 1: of you ladies were when you first get in where
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a champ, I'll do whatever the and
Speaker 1: they go.
Speaker 2: There's a bit of psychology too that I think though.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of girls, like some girls, not
Speaker 2: a lot, but a majority, get into porn. There's a
Speaker 2: bit of type personalities there, and they love a challenge
Speaker 2: and as soon as a director or producer or another
Speaker 2: coworker alludes to the fact that you can't do something,
Speaker 2: they want to do it more. Which but they know this,
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of fuckery there right where
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm going to make the girl competitive enough
Speaker 2: that she actually wants to do this discussing thing. So
Speaker 2: let's see it's fucked up. It's easier to do and
Speaker 2: people that's going to kiss people off, but it's really
Speaker 2: it's easier to do that with the younger crowd than
Speaker 2: older one.
Speaker 1: Sure, oh well, yeah, they don't have the wisdom, they
Speaker 1: don't have the experience. It's funny, do I remember did
Speaker 1: you shoot a lot of like maybe not a lot,
Speaker 1: but did you shoot like babysitters scenes and this and
Speaker 1: that back when you were Toby Pacific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Jim Power is still who's around to this day.
Speaker 2: I would love to come back. I've been bugging him
Speaker 2: to hire me.
Speaker 3: I've I've interviewed Jim and he was I mean, you know.
Speaker 2: He's he's alleged babysitters camp nowhere I did with him,
Speaker 2: I did. My best days on set were with him
Speaker 2: and his crew. They're so fucking funny. They're the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love talking to him.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great that one was one of
Speaker 1: those interviews for me where it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people are going to watch this, but I
Speaker 1: gotta talk to Jim Powers.
Speaker 2: It's I'm gonna go back and want I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch that one of yours now because I so much.
Speaker 3: I do too. I love him.
Speaker 1: It's funny you jumped right from I don't know what
Speaker 1: the term was back then, teeny bopperish type of look
Speaker 1: go away for a little while, Oh.
Speaker 3: MILFs here time to go. Did you embrace taking on
Speaker 3: the mill roll.
Speaker 1: When you came back to the industry where or did
Speaker 1: you have any little bit in you like you still
Speaker 1: look phenomenal and you still link younger, which is funny
Speaker 1: because in porn, if you hit twenty four and you
Speaker 1: know you look twenty Immediately, yeah, exactly, they'll immediately start
Speaker 1: labeling you as that.
Speaker 2: So it is. I embraced it one hundred percent, Like
Speaker 2: I noticed. You know, something I've noticed is like Angela
Speaker 2: White will never be referred to as a mouth, not yet.
Speaker 2: And that's me is so curious because she's in the
Speaker 2: age range, like she's marketing herself that she knows that's
Speaker 2: on her space. Yet me going into it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know this is my niche I know this is
Speaker 2: my space, especially considering like you're saying you hit twenty four,
Speaker 2: you're a mel I liked it. I'm like such a
Speaker 2: loving nurture that I felt like it served me better.
Speaker 2: Toby was very like punked chip on her shoulder. I
Speaker 2: love to do all this dirty, crazy shit because I can,
Speaker 2: but like Sadie's so intentional and just yeah, it's it's different.
Speaker 1: Sure we're going to wrap this one up, folks. I
Speaker 1: want to remind you go to Sadie Summers dot com.
Speaker 1: Uh make sure you follow her everywhere, cause nothing to
Speaker 1: follow Sadie, but I want yeah, there you go. I
Speaker 1: want you to go to our only fans too, And
Speaker 1: I'm really going to push that this season where again,
Speaker 1: these are performers.
Speaker 3: Every little bit you could throw at them.
Speaker 2: Well, why don't we set them on. Let's set them
Speaker 2: up with a discounting. We did that, Yes, just going deeper.
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: On in I'll put links to everything in the episode description,
Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Sadie Summers, thank you very much for coming on with me.
Speaker 2: Thank you so mu