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fir Us talking about the year and the future and
a stuff, very great episode. I love those guys were
just nice and insinct. It feels like we all have
different takes. Went up anyway, So I was up later
and I'm going to bed getting ready, and I see
this news on my feet and I have to talk
about it because I love the Batman and I did
this last time where let me just share this here.
I did this last time, but last time was because
of Sebastian Stan being casta har Dan. This is on
the other side of the Batman sphere. This is for
brave and the bold, so it's very interesting. Let me
just get this out here live late night talking some Batman.
Oh boy, because sorry about that. I was meant to
have the tweet ready, I had it deleted. Gone. Yeah,
this is like old school trass totally. If anyone was
watching live used to be doing them late and everything
like that. But so what I'm doing, if you're listening
to this, I'm recording this portion adding to the other episode. Patrons,
you'll just get a small episode of my thoughts here.
But I thought, I'm not doing trass, told you till Thursday,
and I thought about waiting. But the thing is, if
I'm doing the oscars, I and I could take up
the whole episode right in the other news. So we're
talking about this right now. I'll be alive. I'll be alive.
I'll be alive for a little bit. S bubbs the
flassification of braiding the bowl. Then, yeah, I thought, which
we'll talk about it. I thought I'll go ley. I
thought about recording this whatever. Sometimes there's some fun weirdos
like myself up late. So we'll see just gonna do
about fifteen twenty, there will be an episode. So I'm
adding this on here. So this has come out from
Jeff Snyder. Honestly, Jeff Snyder a very controversial figure overall,
with even gun and the DC stuff, right, but has
gone stuff before. Right. I'm not somebody that knows a
lot of people, especially I do Vodka Streuman personally, don't
like him. I feel indifferent about Jeff Snaer, as I
said before, I'm blocked by him on Twitter because one
time I accused the Patriots of tweeting and that was it.
I used to fall him because of the Shmowdown. Loved
the shmo Down back in day, love Harlot that whole game.
And I still watch John Rokua's show. I watched the
Hot Mic and Snyder's on there. I think they have
good chemistry. Schneider, whatever you want to say about it,
I don't watch for him. I like Roca is a
great guy. He was one of our trivia battles. All
the instances I had with broke up really good, Snyder,
all that was this was that, and I thought, okay,
d kind of a little weak, like you you blocked
me for the Patriots, you know, cheating. That's okay, that's fine.
So he put that out there. And then also another
Scooper that broke this Maxima store, which I don't know
much about Maximus, so that's why him put on any
of the news or anything like that. But his name
is Apocalyp Horseman, but I put him like the C
plus here, right, So Snyder had put out and he
puts his newsletters out a little bit later because it's
always I'm Pacific and I see the news travels. So
I remember on my last week he teach some Batman
news where we didn't know of what, and I guess
in this report and the other Scooper had brought up.
So technically I'd still say I have Snyder in the
B category. Like I said, I can put personal sides
of feeling into the guys kind of questionable. I that, like,
I can admit that. And I've said that before when
I'm on Falgustry and sometimes feel get way too worked
up as far as Scooper is, Like I don't care
what they're doing personal as long as not breaking any laws. Cool.
So he had put out that Brave and Bold is
being written by Christina Hawks Christina Hodson. Uh Buster. Barnes says,
upon a Horseman is like an A minus Scooper in
my opinion, I would not go that far to me
the Scoopers. If you're a tier S tier, you have
to be right almost all the time, and you're breaking
like the biggest, biggest news, the maximum news is big
and they've gone He's gone some big stuff or they
I don't know what they are, uh he she They
they've gotten some bigger stuff before. But the S tier
and the A tiers are the ones that get to me.
The A tiers like the rap and Collider, S tiers
like Hollywood Reporter, Deadline, Variety, right, B tier is like
if you want to argue, he's in there and have
to see all the lists of scoops. But I feel
like there is some stuff he's gone wrong before. But
maybe he's b I just I'm not as affiliated with
him as much. But is say like Snyder Daniel rpgat,
those people are in the B right where they get
lots of stuff wrong. But they do get lots of
big stuff, right right, So, but that's fair if you
have them there. Okay, Triple Trill says, I'm in f
don't don't say that about yourself. It's okay, I'm not
I'm like a D Tier Scower. I've gotten a few
things in my day from a few sources. But so
he had put out there that Christina Hodson is writing Batman,
Brave in the Bolt. So she is the person that
wrote Birds of Prey, Bumblebee, God, the Flash. Obviously that's
the biggest one people hold against her. And I feel like,
is there not another DC project? If anyone else tells me, because
I don't want to pull it right now and break
my stream of consciousness. Is there another DC project she
wrote that came out. I can't remember if it was
Augaman or whatever. Maybe I can't remember, but I thought
she did it, or at least a rewrite. I don't know.
So obviously Christina Hodson, I feel like it was just
a writer, an up and coming writer, And I think
in the DC fandom, specifically a lot on the Snyder fandom,
because she wrote things like birds of Prey or like
The Flash wasn't really their cup of tea. I'm on
the complete opposite side. Speaking of Avka Stream, I love
every time going on there. When I talk about my
favorite DCU film, I say it's Birds of Prey. Really,
it's a tie between Birds of Prey and Zack Snyder's
Justice League. They both have a few things that keep
them from me in ten, but I love Birds of Prey. Yeah,
there's definitely some stuff that's chopped up, but I had
such a good time that I can rewatch it all
the time. I think there's great performances in there, some
very fun, different, unique take on the characters. Something that
people don't like, right, But I think for me, I
enjoyed most of the stuff that has happened. All right.
Mike says, she take her back, girl, but we don't
know what that could happen. So sometimes this is why
I love about the Light Ice Dream. Mitch Connelly, can
you call my mom and asked if she can come
home soon. She won't pick me up pick up my calls.
You're gonna have to handle that on your own. I'm sorry.
Good luck to you and your mom. I know you're
just trolling, but still that's why I love aout the
light dreams. You never know who walked up here of
the algorithm pushes to But I enjoyed Birds of Prey
a lot, right, I understand people's critiques of it, but
I had a good time with it. I do understand too,
I love a Snyer fan. Aren't a fan of that
or not a fan of the Flash? Right? And the
Flash is another situation where I enjoyed that more than
other people. I kind of read that wrong in a
sense that I thought a lot more people were going
to enjoy the Flash and they, I'm not gonna say, didn't,
just really didn't. I remember the weekend of my letter
box seeing people that fall the shore or listen to
the show and just like fail grades or mediocre grades
and stuff like that. Right, So I I was surprised
by that. The critique of the CGI and the effects
of a lot of stuff that I understood, but some of
the story stuff and the beats, and I thought Ezra
did a great job. I enjoyed, you know, So I
had a good time with it. Buster Broms says, I
think behind the scene, I think the behind the scene
situation is a lot different now than when the Flash
was being made. I'm still optimistic. So again, I'm somebody
that I like Birds of Prey, I like Flash so
in that situation, if it's even better than that, great,
I've I liked Bumblebee as well too. I'm not a
transformer guy. I enjoyed that. So yeah, I I got
a lot of weird ones today. Snake Bit says, uh,
what do you look for in your men? On grinder Man,
I never got to do any of the dating apps.
I met my lovely wife thirteen fourteen years ago. Coming
on our God, I think it's third. We're in our
thirteen now. I never did a single dating act, and
I'm not gay if I did, though, black Hair could
be taller Adam Driver type, you know, like the shadow Daddyes, absolutely,
you know, and that sort of thing. Her best grip
was Bumblebee, absolutely a trouble, triple trouble, saying little Bubble Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I guess for me, I like Birds of Prey more
than Bonbe, but I agree that probably overall that's a
stronger movie of that. So what's interesting about it is
he always keeps saying the writer, the writer, right, and
for some reason he won't revealed some people, including myself.
I kind of had a tinfoil hat of what if
it's him. He wrote Superman. Maybe he's not a direct Batman,
but he wants his touch on there, maybe even as
a store by credit whatever. But maybe he's gonna do that.
And now with the Apocalypate Horseman, I have not read
Snyder's full thing because I'm not subscribed to that, so
I'll just see the cliff notes and everything. But A
Pauk said that it's a situation that she was probably
or was writing it to begin with, and stuff got
changed around and she went somewhere else, and they went
to a different writer and then circled back to her,
and there was a situation where she was writing the
last Fast and Furious movie. That movie is in limbo,
and we don't know if that's happening, not happening, what
the case of it is. So it sounds like it's
kind of come back to her. So I don't get
me wrong, maybe he's a signaler. I do feel like
there's a bit of him protecting her as far as
he's worried about the reception. I think Gun, as a
guy that's online lot sees the reception to certain things
like I remember when he did that whole thing where people,
oh god, oh it was to signify like the Palaestine
Israel war and people are saying, oh, this story is
about that, and he said, oh, not at all. And
a lot of people are like, man, ruining the movie.
You're hurting your movie. And He's like, oh, well, it
could be about that. I'm not saying it can't be.
But I didn't write it as that that could be true.
I just thought that, yeah, maybe let that stone lay
where it is. You know, you don't have to say anything.
And I think he is a little bit better that now.
So in this situation where let me say what Mike
said here before I continue, my biggest complaint, or my
biggest concern, is that in Bird of Press, you fundamentally
misunderstood the character Becauseendra Kane, who is a big Bat
family character. That's that's fair, right. I can't say you're wrong.
I still liked like like to me, it's I guess
it's it's it's tough, right because if you're a big
as Sandra King fan, which I'm not, I could understand
that I still like that character and I still like it.
And here's the example, even black Mask, Right, black Mask
is a character that I is one of my favorite
low key Batman characters to me, other than being a vicious,
like very vicious and violent, that's not Roman psionists. He's
not dancing around, he's not flamboyant. The way I McGregor
was acting is not how Roman. So this was a
thing where I love the character. That performance doesn't match
up to me with the combooks. But I just find
the new adaptation of Okay, we want to play black
Mass this way. Sure, let's see what it is right
where something like jar Low's Joker too far and I
couldn't enjoy it, right, So Mike, I get that because
I remember a lot of people bringing up back in
the day and I didn't have the same complaints. But
I understand, right, especially if it's like a that was
a DC Universe, like a DC Universe character, right, it
wasn't like an else Worlds or what if? So I
get that. So I think what the issue is here
when everyone brings us up all the time? Right, Because
now it's like you and mushetty as right now directing Batman.
We haven't heard anything else, and I feel a lot
of people are back on the train because they liked it.
Walking on there, it's like, oh yeah, great, let's come
do that. Okay, whatever you feel. So people are back
on the train there. But now it's like, even if
they were iffy about that, but willing to give him
a chance, you got Christina Hudson. And I'm talking from
the side of people that don't like this choice. I'm
per perfectly fine with it. Again, as I've said before,
as long as the Batman Part two really happens, I
don't really care what they do with this movie. I
do care in a sense as far as I love Batman,
I'll always be there. I'll be there to day I
want to see. But if I have two Batman's and
I have one I really love, then you can gotta
do whatever you want with your DC Batman, especially if
I get Batman three, you can do whatever you want
for a while. Like that's fine. I still want to
enjoy it. Of course, if I don't, I'll I'll list
all the reasons why. But I still want to root
for right. If I can have two Batman's, great, So
my thing is and uh, Hunter, you know you're coming later.
You said, what are your thoughts on Maxim movie and
mana Tomorrow. I don't really have much. I don't know
much about Maximus, so I didn't That didn't really move
the needle for me. And what is your thoughts on
Wonder Woman and Batman not showing up a Man Tomorrow?
We don't know that because Gun didn't say that, and
Guns also not told the truth before he said Ultraman
wasn't in Superman and he was right. So I can't
really I take everything that Gun says with a grain salt.
At first I didn't, but he's a few times said
some things that he's gone back on, so to me,
I'll ask me about that when we see the movie.
You know. So with Hotson coming from that side of
not liking it, if you get Muschetti and hair her
back together. And they wrote the Flash, which Gun, it
could have just been promotion, right, but they still did
say I think The Flash is one of the greatest
comic book movies of all time, right, something that I'm paraphrasing,
but they did.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise says that people love it get to I
think with the box office and a lot of the
reception that BLEWP in the face a little bit because
I think they thought they had a winner, same thing
I honestly did. I liked the movie and I thought
it would be a hit with a lot of other
people and it was not. So I'm with them that
even if I thought it was gonna be bad, I
didn't think it was me like the two hundred million
and the reviews, Like, I did not think I was
gonna see lots of fails on my letterbox, and I did,
like I talked about, right, So I if they thought
they had a winner, I'm not saying like, uh oh
ten out of ten like this is awesome. No. I
had issues with the Flash as well. But if they
thought they had a winner and didn't and now they're
doing this, it's gonna be I said this earlier, like
a lot of like twenty twenty seven is going to
be very interesting because you have Netflix get in full control,
You've Gunn's contract coming up. I talked about this in
the episode coming up, just like a little bit with
me and Taylor, And then you have The Batman and
Man of Tomorrow releasing very close together, right, And what
if Man Tomorrow underperforms and people love the Batman and
people aren't really excited about braving the Bull because I
don't think this will impact the GA. This will pack
the the comic book film audience, the Twitter audience, right,
I don't think tons of gap, like really g ap.
Let's see four to six movies a year if that.
They sometimes don't even pay attention to director unless it's
like Spielberg or Tarantina. Right, They're not gonna make oh,
the Flash, And because the Flash didn't do that well,
they maybe not even seen it. So they that like,
it's only us in this community, right as somebody. And
let's say if I had from this perspective, no Batman.
Let's say if they got rid of Pattison and Matt
Reeves they just don't want to do it. They did too,
and they stopped there. Would I be happy with this
collection of you know, MUSHETI and Hodson I personally would.
I still think there's maybe some better choice out there.
Like when we thought Drew Goddard was maybe write in
the Batman, that's was like, oh man, because I've liked
a lot of Hodson's work, especially Birds of Prey, but
Goddard it's like a different level. Right, So for me
as a package, I would give this like a B
H could be an a as far as the thoughts,
but a few things. Buster Barnes says, to be honest,
I think most people hate the Flash because the visuals
and the lead. Uh. I think I'll say a lot
of people hate it because the lead and the visuals.
The visuals I heard a lot of, but I've also
buzz runs since then. Even that time, heard a lot
of people just did not like the story and the
things that happened. I think it was almost just a
collection of things. So I can agree with that. Maybe
most people did hate the Flash and the lead, but
I think a lot of people just didn't like that
movie as well. Not speaking of everyone's behalf honestly, but
going a bit crazy online in my opinion, I thought,
and that's why I talked about it, was like I
thought people were gonna go crazy because I remember a
lot of people that were DCEU fans and just general
DC fans that did not like the Flash. So people saying, hey,
we're doing we're running it back with those two the
director and that writer. I can get that right, Like
it's it would have been like you telling me, like Awfestly,
this was before I knew about this, right, But remember
two said Squad twenty sixteen and all the fuckery that
went on with that. If that would have happened and
that movie was a hit, so I could have bought
When they said, oh, Air is doing Harley and Joker
all this stuff, I thought, well, it's a hit, you'd
probably get airback. But what if they before we heard
about anything, right as far as like BVS came out
and they edited Squad to shit because they want to
be lighthearted and change because of another movie, which sucks
for Air. But if you would have told me, hey,
David Ayer, they're making a solo Batman movie. We've been
after it's not directing anymore, but he's in it, and
Air in the company is doing that movie, I would go, man,
I'm pretty worried. Right, So I get that point of view.
If you and I take out the Ezra stuff, right,
that's a whole can of worms. If you just hate
the Flash because Ezra's in, it wasn't recast released, I'm
not talking I'm talking about the people that were disappoint
with the story or the visuals or anything that way.
If you really actively disliked it, that wasn't just because
Ezra Miller. That does suck for you, right, especially it
sucks if you don't like the reef stuff. So I
don't know how people are gonna I don't know, well,
I do know, I guess. I guess. I mean, like,
I don't know how people around my sphere are gonna feel.
I shared my GA chat, but most of them are
asleep right now because they're Eastern. Mike. I saw you
in the chat saying you're iffy butt, and I feel
like that's where it is where people are the majority
are going to not like it or be iffy on it.
I'm somebody that I'm like, sure, give it a shot
because I like Mushet's work. I like her work. I
think they can give me a seven out of ten.
Batman movie, and I've said this before. I'm not trying
to be I have so many Batman movies I have
is so rare. I'll say, like Batman, he's my favorite
character along with the Joker, and that's like a very
popular character I have, right, So it's easy. But the
fact that I have the Dark Knight and the Batman,
and you could even argue Batman begins and no, I'm
the anime. It's a fantasma turned Joker, but for a
live action I got Dark Knight and The Batman that
constantly go back and forth as what's my favorite Batman film? Right,
So many heroes don't have that. They have maybe a
couple of movies, or they have one. It's like, this
is for sure the bullet point.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Like with Spider Man, I feel like everyone not mean,
but everyone's like it's spider Man two. With Batman, I
have like four options. I could say this is the
best Batman movie. That's rare, like to me. So that's
where it's like, if this movie's seven out of ten,
I'll be fine. And I also said before which I
did appreciate, and the chat I'm still gonna get. This
is not like a regular trash told you I had
no time. Everyone's asleep, so I'll get to all your
questions before we end this and wrap this up, so
don't worry. It's not like what is it?
Speaker 3: Uh? Fuck?
Speaker 1: I was taking care of taking care of all you,
and I forgot what I was gonna say. Oh I
was talking about it. I didn't like it. Oh No,
I thought I had a good thought there. Oh I corrept.
Oh that's what I was gonna say. Gun yesterday or
two days ago. He said that there he wasn't gonna
tub of the right, the script wasn't done, and because
that was at our report, right, it's coming out to
twenty so the script isn't finalies and what I did,
like he said, I'm not gonna talk about much about Batman,
Brandy and the Bolt while Batman two's in production, because
I don't want to confuse the batsphere. That's right. I
still think that even if it is twenty twenty, I
think you could wait. There's so many deazy characters you
could bring up and build up. Batman's gonna be popular
at any time. I still think if you do it
justly movie without him. I'm not saying it would be massive,
but you could do that the same way as I
think we all think with the MCU, they'll kind of
wait on Wolverine. Like, I don't think you have to
get to the Batman right now. I know people are asking,
but there's so much Batman content out there you don't
have to. And then let's say you get to just
League two, and it's even a bigger thing. Right, I
understand that he's a foundational member, so you want there
but still like, I think you could wait. So for me,
the long of better on information, all this stuff is
better for the populacet so Buster Barnes says, well, I
think you guys got a few of these. Buster Barnes says, Also,
Gun will have a to approve the script, and it's
probably very hands on, very hands on with it compared
to other projects. I agree, that doesn't necessarily I'm in
a tough spot, Buster Barnes, I don't want to be
like an mcu fanboy. I loved his Marvel stuff. His
DC stuff has not hit for me. I think it
actually has hurt a little bit of him completely being
off the leash. I think Superman's weakest comic book movie.
So for me, that's not great. And I also just
don't think I appreciate that Gun said, like, I don't
want a jokey, you know, over the top Batman. I'm
gonna make a serious Batman or I want to be serious.
But I still when I look at guns work, I
don't look at him and go, oh, that's a great
fit for Batman. Right, So that's where I'm on that
side where that doesn't get like, of course he's gonna
do that and I that he'll probably be hands on
in coman out. But I'm not like, oh, well, guns
on it, so we're okay. It's like that's that's not
a full on conclusion for me. Super says also what
happened to DC Writer's Room guns that he had said
he had when all the start feels like we're getting
a lot of the same people. I have seen that
complaint and I do agree, and I'll all dovetailed here,
he said. I'm really hoping and Nigara Supergirl's script is
great because she's doing Titans. Also, it's fresh blood with her,
which is exciting. It's that and she's doing something else,
so right, can you confirm did she like write Lanterns? No?
I guess that was probably Linda Off for Monday too,
Like I thought there was a third thing she was
already doing that was like it was Supergirl, Titans and
something else. I agree with that sentiment, where like the
Writer's Room, I guess I'm less hard on that because
I could just see, Hey, we want to get and
start this universe. Let's get a team of great people
together and keep going.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But even Tom King. Tom King is like based on
Supergirl and even someone's lantern stuff, and then he's writing
Mister Miracle. It feels like we have Christina Hodson and
Nagarat and Tom King and the others are maybe around
giving some bold points. But I've heard that critique and
I agree with it, especially when Gun said, hey, well
we want to do here, And granted there's other scripts,
right he's in there, but still Guns wrote Superman mantor
who writes something else, But there's some like clay Face
has written by Mike Flanagan, so that's a one off.
But when he said, hey, the DCU is gonna be
different than MCU because it's gonna be in the same universe,
but it's not gonna be the same vibe. Not every
film's gonna be samesy. We want everything to kind of
stand on its own. You don't have to watch it
if you're kind of just cycling through the same three
writers all the time. It's gonna have that even if
you don't want to. Even if you get a different director,
a pheatographer and even an editor and color water, it
could end up feeling like writing and just story wise
and character arcs and development, it could start to feel samesy, right,
I'm not saying a person like a Niagara can't go
and write multiple characters and be different, but there's that
risk of that happening. Right, it's a gun. Anytime he
writes the script, you know, wants James gunscript, it feels
like James Gun, right, So I hope it is good.
But I also, yeah, I don't want just the three
same writers all the time. Right. Let's see. Bus Per
says some people thought he was saying we wouldn't get
bringing the Bull updates until after abatun teerleas. I don't
think that's what he meant. I just think he meant
after it's done filming, I guess. But I still wouldn't. Again,
I'm on that side, which granted, I think no matter
what long or better, So even if it's filming, that
still makes sense. That's still a good thing of I
don't want to say shit until it's done filming to
confuse people. That makes sense. I still would I'd still wait.
I wouldn't ness with that up at all, because even
when I was talking about, oh, I'm gonna go and
talk about this, she's like, oh, right, they're doing too bad,
and it's like, why are they doing that, Like I
know people and even the discord when we put up
like hey, will there'd be an issue if Brave the
Bull comes out a year after Batman two and the
majority people said no. I still think there's a chance.
People go, I saw a Batman movie last year, I'm
good the same way as the Batman came out, and
the next year the Flash, which had two Batman in
it advertised one being a returning Michael Keane bombed. So
I'm not sure. Uh, super Mike says, with Brave and Bold,
I think it's the bat family aspect that makes it
more than Batman's self. People have been waiting a long
time to get them live action. Yeah, I agree, and
that's the differential. It's tough of like, I just wonder
what that script is, right, because Gun said went through
a lot of changes. We heard rumors that oh they
weren't doing Damien, it's the Robin, and then I think
just last week it's like, no, it is Damien. But
then Gun said that report was untrue. So Mike, I
agree with you. I think they will do bat Family stuff,
But I still wouldn't hold my breath on all being established.
I'm still someone personally, if the DC is going I
would be fine if it's like Bruce Nightwing back Girl,
and maybe whether it's Damien or even Tim Drake at
least here Roum. But like, I don't want to go
too far. I actually want to see the I if
I had my brothers, I would have it just as
him and Dick and no background. Yet, like, I actually
want to see a bat family of alve and be built.
They're not just thrown at it, right because there's a
lot of people that don't even fucking know who Red
Hood are, so they don't mic or even like some
of the stories with Nightwing, I don't think they have
the same attachment that we do the Bat family. I
love the Bat family. I want that too, but it
does differentiate, but maybe people don't care about it, right,
So I don't know with hotsin which she's written, because
what you could say, the Flash is kind of ensemble birds,
the Praise is ensemble, so I could see and she's
gonna write Fast and Fears, which is unensemble, so I
could see them making a case of hey, Christina could
be the right fit for the Bat family. So yeah,
Undriggie says, if James Gun steps down is the CEO,
but we'll still stay as a director for the DCU.
Who you wants new CEO? No idea, No idea because
like because I think it would have to be like five,
you're at someone we don't know in that situation. Hunter,
If gun steps down CEO, unless he's in mid predict
production or something, I don't think he was still directing.
I think that's when he'd probably take his own time
to go do his own studio direct movies. Hell, maybe
goes back to MSU. I don't think he'd stay on
with the DCEU because I feel like a lot of
it is his vision, and if he felt like he's
not controlled anymore, he's less invested. That's just a guess.
I don't know. I'm just guessing on what his actions were.
And you're asking me of like, hey, in two and
a half years, you know, or like in a year
and a half, who should be CEO? Who knows? There
could be a new person. There's other people that fired.
There's nobody that's like readily available, right and even James Gunn,
we didn't know that was happening. It could easily just
be Oh, James Gunn steps down, and Peter Saffron is
at all or Peter Saffron brings on another director we
talked about, like big Dan Linn. That's someone where I
had seen the Conder movies, Leo Batman, I've seen a
bunch of his stuff, But before that report came out
that he was trying to get that job, I didn't
know who Dan Lynn was. We didn't know who Kevin
Foggy was. It's not a situation where it's like Falloni,
where we hear James Gunn has like a crazy if
that's under him. Right, let's just say Christina Hodson becomes that,
she becomes a creative that like she's the folowing to
his Lucas. Then you go, oh, if he were to
drop out, she could easily take over like folowing for Kenny. Right,
we don't have that right now, and I think it
would just be someone not random, but something we wouldn't
even know or we would heard of before. But it's
nothing or even maybe Netflix is like, you know, gonna
put in their own person. Maybe Dan Linn works there.
Maybe it'd be fucking Dan Lynn, like I honestly think
hunter Dan Lynn. If if gun and Saffron were gone away,
he was trying to get the DC jaw before. I
know he's like the chairman of Netflix Films, but like
I think he would just heavily involve, like I want
to do DC stuff. Chavon Moore pray about Jesus. I
absolutely will not pray about Jesus. Uh, super bad Mike
A night when background superhero date movie could be awesome,
so much potential old characters, apps, the fucking lole Micah
with you put that movie on Valentine's People forget about this.
The first Deadpool was a hit because it was a unique.
It was that ray Ar comedy. It was pairing runinos
with a perfect project. They released it during Valentine's Day.
You know why because it still played like a fucking
date movie. I don't know about top three, but top
five for chemistry couple pairings Vanessa and Wade in that movie,
I'd put in the top five for sure. That was
that thing of it was like, oh, it was dirty
making jokes and feel you should be But like, think
about that love montage. Right, I'm not saying doing that
with night Wing and back Girl, but they're still like,
if you can make it fun enough, you could release
it around February and have a good hit, don't make
it crazy budget, make it literally just night Wing and
back Girl on a date. Or they were like, think
about that opening of The Incredibles and it's like Elasta
girl on Incredible or mister Incredible. When they're like flirting
and it's like, oh, you gotta get to your wedding. I
hope you're not late, and they see each other. If
you got that energy for an hour and a half
and they're taking down a black mask, a professor, pig,
a firefly, like someone smaller, perfect and smaller budget that
you can make your money back, no issue, right, And
that's where I do support. I don't know if it's
the right choice to start off both clayface, right, that's
something that supposedly has a smaller budget and it's gonna
be like that, give back Girl night Wing that treatment. Right.
So Mike, I'm fully with you, like I'm with you
on the bat Family stuff. That's why to the point
where we heard those those Robin rumors in the Batman,
I was like, no, no, no, like say that for the DCU,
let pass and just do single stuff. So I'm with you.
I just don't know what guns saying the script's changed
a lot, and we've seen a lot of things change now, right,
the authority gone, swap thing is up in limbo. What
else there's some other Sergeant Rock that's up in limbo
are gone. There was another one too, even Titans we
heard was I think someone said, like, we don't know
if that's happening anymore, right, I think even Sayer said that.
And that's where I think I could be wrong. Oh yeah,
there was like a Scooper debate where one Scoober the
most of c tiars, but one Scooper put out, hey,
DC's gonna focus on just the mainline characters. That one said, oh,
that's not the case. I I still think they are.
I think stuff like Titans or even Backgirl Night Wing,
unless it's super low budget, they're gonna wait and see.
And that's why it's like on paper if they look
at the Back Girl or like the Bat Family, is
there some fucking executive chair somewhere being like, you know what,
you should make that movie because it's not gonna pull well.
I'm not gonna do well, right, Yeah, Wall or Booster Gold,
things we haven't heard about, right, And I'm not saying
it's not a like I'm not saying they're wrong for that.
I'm not holding that against Gun like you announced all
this stuff like I am in a sense of when
people just swear by him right, like, well he says this,
I can't get on board that. I'm not saying the
man's lying all the time. I think that's fine if
authority Sergeant Rock, Booster Gold or Waller, like even Sergeant
Rock to me, like, there's things I liked about, like
I liked about the pitch, but if you ask me,
and I'd have to see the budget, right, But let's
say if it's even a hundred million, is Serge we
Rock gonna make that? I don't know is authority gonna
make that. I don't know where it world right now
where people with political stuff are sometimes very turned off
with that, right, and that's a very certain market. Is that?
To Boise, it's like, I don't know if that's gonna
be a hit. Same thing with Waller and Booster Gold Gold.
I would take a chance on Waller as Gris Viola Davis.
Is is that gonna be like a hit HBO show? Maybe?
But I could also see it not being that right,
So it's like, I think it's fine to pivot the
same way as like now Marvel Armor Wars. Maybe you
know it sounds like Blade. I'm fine if they announce
stuff and they go you know what, we don't need
to go with like Brent used to say, other than
Agents of Sheet or no, it was the Humans that
they turned into like a TV show. Everything on their
slate had come out before, right, I'm fine with them
not keeping the pristine record if it means more wins
than the line and if it's gonna be a project's
gonna cost you money or maybe suck because you're just
rushing out out there, don't do it. So yeah, the
Wonder Woman game thrown Show Gone because I think that's
a situation where I think they're like, well, we don't
want to do Wonder Them right away, so let's do
something Wonder Woman adjacent. And I think the same thing
where they're like, well, you know what are people gonna
show up for that? And I think it's everything. It's
it's those years of the DCEU ending of Shazam, Booster,
Gold Aucaman and the Flash Aucaman was the biggest at
what like five hundred and six hundred. The rest of
those movies ate shit. They ate shit, and people didn't
go see them for whatever reason, whether they were done
with DC, whether they didn't like those movies, whether there
was too many comic book movies. For whatever reason, they
did not go out to see them. And guess what,
all those characters like you are you flash? Those aren't
like a tier Ga characters, right, I think Wonder Woman is.
So it's the thing of do you do this TV
show muddy the waters? Or do we just skip to
and get to the movie now we don't know if
she's man tomorrow. He kind of implied no. But again,
I don't think that's a locked in, right, he said, Oh,
there'll be other heroes and small roles. Who are these heroes?
Who knows? So yeah, it's going to be interesting. Let
me look at my time and just see if anything
else is broken. But I'm gonna be very curious how people,
especially like the Snyder can't feel, because I think a
lot of those people didn't know. And I'm talking about
like the same people, not the craziest people. I'm talking
about saying people I'm friends with, like how they feel
if this does become true, Because I think a lot
of people did not like her vision and the type,
and I feel like there's still people that are mixed
on Muschetti. It's just interesting where I feel that you
have a lot of people that are getting very excited.
That's why I talked about twenty twenty seven being very
interesting time and gun the whole thing being an interesting time, right.
I feel like it's like the exact opposite where either
people are mild on it or getting less excited for
Brave and Bold and for the Batman because it's now
gearing up offly because the love of the Batman one,
but still it's gearing up. People are getting more and
more excited. And it's not like just because of Batman two.
It's the choices. It's the acting, like the actors that
they've picked, you know, very interesting choices. For me, the
next kind of shoe to drop, which it's not gonna
drop for a while, but the next shoe to drop,
it's who, like, who do they get to play Batman?
And that's where for me it's just like, it's it's
so interesting of that that to me is like a
I don't know how to describe it. It's just I
can't wait for that day. On social media. I try.
I'd go on social media when it's like I'm on
the bus or I'm waiting to do something like if
I'm a doctor's point, but I try to like take
Stissa right or right before dress told you like now
or even now, I like went by look at some
people be like, Okay, what is going on right now?
At the timeline right for showing news because there's alway
stuff out there, but that's the day when it gets announced.
I'll be looking at people's reactions, and that to me
is like if that is another meek or mild choice,
And yeah, Mike, I see your question. If anyone has
any other questions, throw them in because I got like
probably it's like five minutes. I think we're winding down here,
So anything about DCU or Batman related, if that's another choice.
I feel even the people that really love the dc
you're gonna feel it's gonna take that trailer. It's gonna
take some big optimism to get very excited for Brave
and the Bolt. I'm fine because I got the Batman
Part two and any other people are in my camp
and I'd love to see because I think Clay Fambly Clay,
who hosts Stars Lines. I think he liked the Flash,
but I wonder how he feels on this because he's
in that camp, right, and there are people out there
they're crazy, but he's someone that he did not like
the Batman too, and he doesn't really care about that, right.
So let's see. I don't believe about Christina because the
Twitter are from twenty twenty three and we are in
twenty twenty six, Hunter Aggy, I don't have any clue
what that means, so you'd have to specify. I don't
believe Christina because the twitter are from twenty twenty three
and we're in twenty twenty six. You, like I said,
would have to clarify what that means because it doesn't
make much sense to me. But yeah, it's if they
ain't get like a big act. And I hope it's something,
I'll say. I hope it's not Sklenar. I really hope
it's something the same way Reeves is done with Barry
or Pattinson or Zoe Kravitz. Some interesting choices. I just
don't want to eric one. Like I remember the day
Ben Afflete was cast as Batman, and I was all
for that I've told the story before, but no one's heard.
I remember I worked the best I have Kyle time
it broke and we had a bunch of that's in
the air where I would go to movies with thirty
forty people. They're all geeks and we're in that sphere,
and then you know, everyone grative or whatnot. I think
that or and I remember everybody not being a fan
of Ben athlete cast in mean car, like no, like
this is interesting, like it was a take and let's
see it. I was just more happy because I wanted
him to direct a Batman movie that didn't happen. Uh,
but I was like, I'm down. I hope that happens.
I'm really hoping it's not just a safe choice and
that could elevate the project. I don't know who, but
something out there, because no one thought that Ben Affleck
was gonna be doing Batman, right, so I would love that.
I think that's what gun needs, is some choice that
that's not just like the yes, Gnar he looks like him,
because I think that's Gunnar up to pass and it's
just it's not gonna have that same weight, right, Yeah, Hunter,
I still know you said returns the right Batman Brave
in the Bolt. I don't know I still know what
you're talking about when you said the because twitter are
from twenty twenty three, you'd have to very clarify. But
I if I don't get more clarification, I cannot answer
that because I have no idea what you're talking about
there with that one. So but uh oh sorry, Yeah, Mike,
you said, how much weight do you think it's is
gonna be on Supergirl for dcu's future. That's I was
just thinking about that the other day. I can't remember.
Maybe it was another podcast I listened to and just
jogged my mind, and I think they were talking about
a similar thing, right, because I think even in our discord,
like where did s Bubbs put Supergirl? Did he have
it on his list? Here? Because join our discord everybody,
we talk about this whole time with people. Mike's doing
a top like a draft for twenty twenty six where
we put in our top ten movies we think will
be number one to ten, doing the best Winter gets
pick a movie, loser has to watch a bad movie
and just off those recent list, right, like s Bubs
he didn't even put in Supergirl. Well, I haven't made
my list yet. I might do it on Tress told
you next week. I think I'm kind of in that realm,
like I no one has supercol yet, that's crazy. I'm
with Taylor that I think it's going to be more
of a Thunderbolt brave New World situation that it's like
I think that. I think if they were to hit
five hundred, they should be very happy with that. No,
I'll take that back. If they were to hit five hundred,
they should be fucking acstatic about that. Superman. I think
I've done this before, but Superman's official box office was
what like six point fifty one or Somethingman two twenty
If I let me, no one has searches up, I
got it pulled up here. It made a total of
prop just made made six sixteen okay lower if it
made five one hundred million a static you're doing backflips, right,
I think how much weight has We don't know as
fans at all. The two things that are going to
come out about it for the waight One thing will
know once we won't. What's the final budget if it's
another like two hundred million, because Superman is two twenty five.
If it's two twenty five Eh, there could be a
lot of weight, right, But if they pitched it as
like hey, it's gonna be twenty twenty two thousand, it's
gonna be two hundred and twenty five million, We're hoping
Superman is gonna do well and we can build off
upon that and people will enjoy it and it might
not be the biggest hip, but we're hoping to get
the good will of people to love it and they'll
come back for Supergirl too, or may have to more
except right, or if it's if it's a smaller budget
and they just say, hey, we want to clear three
hundred million, and which I think is doable, right because
even Superman James kinda think he said somewhere like, hey,
they had a goal and they hit it and that's
like Kasai relief. Right, we don't know that the budget
we know and look at like ben Afflecktungbo budgets where
a twenty five million has to make a one hundred
million dollars to be successful nowadays. So it's like we
still don't even know how much can get mixed up everyone, right,
So the budget is one thing we can go off,
but it all the on how they pitched it. Right,
If they said, hey, we're doing Superman and Supergirl and
they're gonna have similar results, that to me is dumb.
There's no big star other than Mom, who's gonna be
in a small amount. There's no big stars in Supergirl,
like as the main character. Right, So I think all
depends on what did they pitch this ass when they
say in the Netflix. If they said, hey, we're doing
Supergirl and doing clay Face, we think they're gonna be
smaller budgeted movies. But we think and they might not
do amazing, but we think they're gonna do, like, be
very well received and we're gonna make people believe in
this brand again. If they're kind of building blocks, that's fine, right.
That's kind of like with Thunderbolts, where it does suck
as I loved Thunderbolts. It sucks the box office, But
your hope is that on the lead up, because like
my sister asked me, she said, Hey, what what movie
should I like? I gotta catch up all these Marble movies?
And that not really in say thing, Ami. I think
there's a few. That's the benefit, right is when you
watch Thunderbolts and Lisa being a great movie, like, oh,
I really like these characters, that's the hope. So it's
like we ate it on that, but we're getting the
good will same thing. It's like, I know it's a
weird comparison, but like one battle after another, I think
it's not really like breaking even or just breaking it
even a little bit. But the idea is it's the
warm mouth and we're going into awards play and we
might win it. So it's like, sure, we might not
make all that money back because it was a massive budget,
but if we win Best Oscar, we get pta that
Best Director, it's all matters because people will return to that. Right.
So that's the problem Mike, where I think it all
depends on how they pitched the disasse on company. If
I can answer, how much way do you think it's
gonna be on it? Yeah, I don't think much. And
then like to your follow up here, like what is
the alarm? Like how low can it go without alarms flashing? Hmm?
It sounds bad because I'm saying you have to be
a static at five hundred, but it going under three
hundred is a concern. So that's a small window there, right,
I think it's under yeah, I think it's I think
I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say not
even three point fifty. I'll say, if it's under three hundred,
that is, there's some concern, right, But if the budgets slow,
you're fine. If the budget's low, you make a profit,
and then Supergirl can be in other stuff, right, That's
what will come down to. But I think if it's
three hundred, that is, that is a bit of a
I just alarmed for Supergirl. And again, I don't know
popular is okay? Andreg you said, I mean, I don't
believe that Christina Hodson as the writer for Batan, bar
and Bold because the tweets are from twenty twenty three
and we're in twenty twenty six. I don't know what
you're teld because you said because the tweets are from
twenty twenty three and we're in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Like, the.
Speaker 1: Story of it being her writing now is not from
tweets from two twenty three. It's Scoopers right now reporting
that she's writing it. So if you're saying there's something
that people are showing that, that's like other tweets to
brack that up. I don't know about that, but her
writing it it's from people that have had gone stuff
right before. So I don't not to say, oh, for
sure she did right in it, but there's at least
smoke to that fire. Right. Let's see, I heard the
budget of Supergirl is less than one hundred and fifty million.
That would be good because that if even it was
one hundred and fifty million, And again, who knows, because well,
we'll get closer, right because Superman was all over it's
oh it's three hundred, it's actually one fifty, it's two hundred.
We won't we'll never really know, and we won't know
closer to if it's one hundred and fifty and they
can get to three hundred, which is what you kind
of do the double it. I think even if you
just get a little bit in the green, you should
be happy with Supergirl. Clay Face should be small budgeted, right,
so it should work out. But yeah, so I think
I think Supergirl. I think there's more on Mike. I
guess here's the other thing. I think the weight it's
on the qual of the movie because I don't care.
I know that we had test screenings and people said
it was like a lot of people would have raided it,
like a six or seven. Test screenings don't matter because
it's all very all Like opinions matter of course matter.
But I mean, like when you get to the GA,
it's the majority of people, right. I remember the test
screenings for BBSA, people plodding and saying it's on the
level of the Dark Knight. I know some people think that.
I'm not one of those people. I don't think it's
on that level. I'm not applauding for that, right, So
for me, uh, test screenings there, they're zimp They're nothing right.
Same thing. Imagine for twenty years later, you put a
test screen of Dylan Taylor. Dylan really did not Like
twenty years later, Bone Temple and Taylor gave it a
perfect score. What would you take from them from a
test screening. It's down to opinion and whatnot. And this
is even worse. It's not like, oh, a critic that
saw it. It's no, it's it could be a nobody.
It could be a guy that sees two movies here
like that was amazing, Well that was shit, or that
was always a girl lead. So we're gonna vomit like
you don't know, right, So I think the I think
for them it's more about quality because at least if
it's quality and go, damn, that didn't hit, how could
we change this and go around from that? At least
the people that saw it enjoyed it. If it's bad,
then it's you lose faith, which I thought happened a
lot with the DCU. I know people my fucking lips
to stem. I know a lot of people test screening
is Fragment two said it was awful, so not best
matric Uh yeah, And I don't think it was awful,
but we did on that sense, so Mike, there was
a lot of reshoots with that, right, so they could
have saw an awful cut of that movie. But I
think that's the thing where for me, I've always said this,
and I know people push back against me before me
and Ray from Flight Class Cast really don't agree on this.
But I tons of people think, oh, well, all the
reshoots and what happened with Zach and Joss coming in,
and all the controversy around Juste League, that's why I
kind of underperformed. To me, it underperformed because I met
I saw the suicide Squad or sorry, suicide Squad twenty
sixteen and BVS with a lot of people. When Justice
League rolled around, those people that I saw this movie with, oh,
I'd say sendy percent of them were like, I'm good.
I don't need to see Just League and not invested
in this universe. Whatever you think about that, that to
me was a situation. How awcome Man hit a billion
right after that and the movies proceeded to underperform after
I'll never know, but to me it was you do
eventually lose on its same thing at MCU. I'm not
saying it's healthy putting out eight to nine projects a year,
but if they're all great, that that at least helps, right,
And I think that's still too much, but at least
if they're good and people are enjoying them, people will
still stick around more. If you're putting out that much
and the quality is meant to bad, you'll easily lose
people real fast, which we also saw at the MCU.
I think there is some superhero fatigue. It's a marral fatigue.
They've done too much. But there's it's no fucking like
coincidence that a lot of these movies are doing lesser
because it's not there like when people talk about ant
Man three, and I'm some of those people that like,
I don't think when people say a good movie and
people come out, No, there's tons of good movies that bomb,
But there's franchises and other things that if they expect
certain quality and people go am and three that wasn't
really that good, which I thought it was the first
ever MCU project I failed. That's word of mouth's gonna spread, right, Like,
that's what wordmouth still plays a factor into levels degrees,
not all of it, but levels degrees of success. So
there's no coincidence that the MSU started to put out
lackluster content and it started to go down as far
as quality, right or like, or as far as the
the reception and money from fans. So it's just it's
it's all there, right, So yeah, we'll we'll see. It's
gonna be very interesting to see what people feel about
this if it gets we'll see if gun also denies
it too, right, that could be the case of that
I talked about this for four minutes for nothing, But
I think this is uh, you know, it was a
fun time and I very much appreciate everyone of those
here live thanks for joining in the late nights. Thanks
for some of the weirdos being the chat. You know,
if you if you pray for Jesus, that's all cool.
I just you know, not for me. I got other
things to do, you know, but thank you very much.
If you're listening to audio now after this, you had
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something else is on there, it might not show that episode.
You most time, it's gonna show the newest episode. So
the reason I'm doing that is because they got Night
in Seven Kingdoms for the next five weeks. And then
after that, I know there's multiple Sundays where me and
the Gimmick Boys will be going because it's WrestleMania season,
so there'll be lots of episodes dropping on like a
Monday or Sunday at you know, eleven pm, stuff like that.
And then in April we will be reviewing Euphoria, which
starts Sunday, April twelve. So that's why there's just too
many things that's not my music. There's too many things
releasing already in the Monday that I just didn't want
to develop. Granted, there will be times if life changes
and I can't do the Tuesday, then I'll do the Monday,
or if there's something massive breaking news, then sure, but
that's gonna be kind of the working idea right now
is Tuesday and Thursday going forward, and I'll say at
least until your Fouria is done, because I'll be on
most of those. We'll have to see if Taylor catches up,
because the very first episode I might have something scheduled.
I might if things work out, I might be in
Vancouver or dial watching some wrestling. So I don't know
if Kokhan wants to do a solo review. So if
you do catch up on Euphoria, Taylor, let us know
so we can plug you in there. But I am
here joined by the Man and the legend. The I
don't know the names because I guess it doesn't show
names with these banners, but Taarfield.
Speaker 3: I put a name in there that secret.
Speaker 1: I guess let's see go let me hear of the
banner that we will rock you. Why are you rocking me? Oh?
I see, you know we have that. Yeah, today we're
gonna be talking about some Star Wars news because we
talked a little bit on after nime. We didn't do
a deep dive, because that's why after nine we always
go on many rants and tangents and whatnot. But I
want to get tear his thoughts because he was not there,
and just a few updates and some quotes from Kathleen
Candy and some speculation, and then we'll talk about the
twenty years box office and then yes, we'll talk about
supposedly there is a B tier room around of the
rock becoming the Scorpion King once again. But Tayarfield, how
you doing.
Speaker 3: Doing good? Tired and you know, working away? Fired?
Speaker 1: Why what's going on?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, I just want to casinos late.
Speaker 1: At night, sinos? Oh my god? What you winning?
Speaker 3: Not much? It's just been raising my family and your family,
my family. Yeah, yeah, just planning and all that kind
of stuff. But no, just yeah, late nights, figure out
the schedule and work on my family book. That's been
going well. So yeah, yeah, that's been a big, big
project I've been tackling. Had some headway though. I found
uh short tangent. It's in a way, I only have
an hour. I went on to uh Facebook, and I
was like, oh, you know what, let's look up like
those facebookers. Sometimes people create groups for certain things like
locations and places, and people just put photos of those locations.
So I found a location where my family worked their business,
and I reached out, commented, posted or whatever, and then
these people were saying, oh, yeah, my great grandmother I
used to work for your company. I'm like, holy crap,
this is this is pretty sweet. Okay, so I'm trying
to see if I get any uh any new deets
coming from from there. But yeah, ancestry and family history,
it's it's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very you're you're very You're very concerned with
that or that that's a big concern. Like I my
dad got me one of those things and has like
just the online the tree and everything. I don't care.
People reached out for me. It's like, oh that's cool
related and then that's kind of it. I'll never talk
to them again, you know. So that's what it's just
like you're big into the lineage and everything, but h
I am, yeah, are you worried there's gonna be some
bad situation where the person's not related to but they're
lying or something.
Speaker 3: Well, that is the case with my grandma's my great
grandma on my grandma's side. There's a whole thing I'm
trying to unravel, and it's very difficult to find because
this is the Chinese factor right now. My great grandmother
told my grandma like, hey, your dad is this white
guy we got married? Da Da da da. But then
my son disagrees. I looked into it and found that
there's genetically I'm not related to who my great grandfather is.
So and my grandmother has half siblings because I looked
at the siblings that I'm related to on her mom's side,
but not people on her dad's side, my great grandfather's side,
reached out like, hey, we're like cousin, cousins whatever, Da
da dada, And I'm like, hey, no, we're not, because look,
we're not actually genetically related at all.
Speaker 1: We just, you know, they just wanted to come check
on their cousin. We're not related, We're.
Speaker 3: Not my grandma's mom sneaked around with the chinaman. Uh,
that's that's pretty much. Yeah, I don't sorry, that's not
the political term. I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Gonna be careful. That's it, you know, welcome back to
just Tras told you. I think you're safe. But well,
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Speaker 3: I know I'm completely blind. I've seen what you sent,
but I've not read anything. Is that something we're doing?
What is that on the schedule today? Town hall?
Speaker 1: There you go? Oh fuck, I'm gonna write in the
survey Taylor know what's going on? But yeah, we're doing
our town hall. It'll be what we've been watching. There
might be some news, but I don't know if they
like there's not too much with me and taryor covering
some today And I don't mind have the townhill is
the only thing is sometimes that can go not like longer,
but a full episode, because Yah, we're gonna talk about
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Lots of kind words as we will talk about. I
will say this on the town hall. We won't get
into the kind words because we don't want to just
be like a glaze fest for geek first, but this
easily was the year people said the most kind of stuff,
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there are just questions or concerns about the show. No
so much I got. I guess there's like two concerns
which I have no problem answering or whatnot, or just
I think it's good because I think sometimes I see
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that haven't listened before, because we'll again say that someone said, hey,
you should do a Patreon feed for like early episodes.
It's like, well, we got that, Like it's there, like
Phase two, it's there. So that's why I understand that
sometimes we do plugs at different times or different episodes,
you might not hear everything we talk about. So the
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when we top oft the survey. So yeah, there'll be
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And yeah, it'll just be us chill and hanging out,
so you can join us tonight for that. And then yeah,
let's get into this tailor. So we talked about this
the week before because there was a report that came
out and said, hey, Kathleen Kennedy, she's stepping down. It's
going to be these two replacementers should be happening next
week and yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, credit to
the I can't remember the Oh Puck News, credit them
because they were fulling right that they have the people
that replaced her. She's stepping down. As of this week,
she's stepping down, Taylor. The era of Kathleen Kennedy is over.
Obviously we weren't sure was this a is she going
to announce her replacements and then she's there for a while,
But she's done. She's still technically, of course a producer
a man Lauren Grogu and h Starfighter, but then other stuff.
She might just be an EPM, but those are her
last two. This is, I guess, something that's been in
the work for two years, which kind of makes sense
because I feel like from actual scoops, like big time sources,
I could say like be or higher, we've heard like, oh,
she's on her way out. So it kind of makes
sense that maybe why two years has been maybe that
was the idea of k pick the two people, or
pick the people and then you're gonna train them. So also,
we're not gonna talk We'll talk about Foaloni today, but
we're not gonna talk about those choices as much because
we did a whole cast about that last week and everything.
We're I'll just ask you, were you surprised that it
was an immediate step then, and not like a hey,
here's my replacements, it's a hey by the end of
this week. Obviously, we won't see all the repercussions. I
still think for a couple of years, because you know,
I maybe star celebrating on out some stuff. But were
you surprised that it was kind of immediately that hey,
by the end of this week in January. Kathleen Kendy
is a don Alt lucasfilm in a sense. I'm sure
she'll always be welcome back, et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know, well, I'll be in the regular It'll be
like the George Lucas kind of thing, like, oh, you know, George,
You're always welcome to come back. You know, you got
a new script. Yeah, let's take a look at that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, but I think I don't.
Speaker 1: Know of that. They might ask her, but I don't.
They don't have to, they don't have to listen to her,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's something that's just been Yeah, it's
been cooking for a while. We've all kind of just
prepared been preparing for this some sooner than others with
Red Eye thumbnails and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yes, but which also we're not gonna get in this
because we don't know what it is. But apparently LA
times are more than Disney's expect announce their next CEO
next month, So even Iigers soon to be on his
way out. Sounds like, are these the plans?
Speaker 3: Tigers the problem? The problem person? Right, he's the one
who's for Ben Solo squashed.
Speaker 1: I think they're all the problem people, you know, like
I don't. I think Star Wars. What I learned from
last week is I feel like in general we're just
kind of we might just be fucked because we learned
about that before. Because everything I'm not a red I
thumbnail guy. I think Kathy Kennedy talked about before me
and he even did a cast in summer. We literally
called it that she has fifty to fifty percent as
far as wins and Star Wars, and she took over
and losses. And that's not bad because look at like
the fucking DCEU that was nothing but losses. You know,
there's other universe nothing but losses. So I thought she
did a good job at the start, and then as
things went along and got rocky, right, but then so
it's always a go she's the problem. We'll have to
go to Flonia or someone else and then like you
said to her that Soul News came out and say, okay,
it's Eiger. But then also we've heard with the Acolyte
or again what got reported now which I have up
here by an A Tier Scooper. Now Foloni has come
out to deny it, but an A Tier Scooper putting
out that hey, we hear that he didn't like and
or that means like more than enough people are, you
know talking about Hey, like I don't know if Dave
likes and I don't think I'm not saying Davis like
I hate like it says it's like I need this
cance whatnot, but like we all have that, right, it's
the same way. It's like you look at even Dylan, right,
but like if like Dylan Kirkland and myself and Taylor
talk about what we like in Star Wars, Taylor loves
Star Wars, but I we don't like the same things.
We don't like the whole Like he loves the Clone
and Captain Aspect, and I love the Star Wars like
the Force Lightsabers all that could jazz right, So I
can understand that. I think it's just it's also tough
when you're in a company wise where you have to
you have and Or that has all these awards and
all this recognition, and then you have all of the
other stuff that's very iffy, you know, like it's not
been the perfect track record since I'd say it's been
really rocky since obviously i'd say like Boba feed because
I know people'll throw Rise of Skywalker up, but that
was the end of a trilogy. And then they had
mandalorin right now and that picked them up right away,
right and that kind of reunited the fan base for
a little bit. I think with and Or, that's the
thing that sucks the most, is that happens. But what
I was saying to Taylor is, even to Kathleen Candy
last week, who we talked about this on Laftter nine,
who knows if she is telling the truth, who knows
she's lying, same thing as Ryan Johnson. But for her
in this exit interview to say, oh, you know, I
think Ryan Johnson got a little spooked. I found that
a little a little odd because it feels like almost
all the Star Wars stuff, anytime controversy happens, no director's
spoken out, no director said anything, it's just been oh,
creative differences. Oh, I'm happy to work with stars like
even Phil Lord and Miller, like, oh we've got like
if you look at all those statements, I think they're
quiet after but all of them are very hunky dory. Right,
So I gets she's leaving, but it felt odd to me.
And maybe it's the truth. Maybe that's she's saying that, right,
but it felt odd to me for her to single
him out and say he got spooked by the fan base.
Uh again, could be true. I get him pushing back. Now,
if he did get spooked, then I don't know why
he'd pushed back, but I get him pushing back. So
that's why it's for me, like even that comment on
her way out, and I'm not like, oh this makes
me hate Kathleen. No, She's a great executive produced many
films I've loved in the past. This hasn't changed my
day at all, Right, but I found it odd that
she singled them out and said that. So for me,
between Iiger and Felony and Kathleen, we don't know who
the trust because the thing is one we hear maybe
twenty five percent of what actually goes on and two.
All them probably feel differently about Star Wars. If you
were to get them in a room, think what does
Star Wars be? Iiger, Kathleen, and Filony might have all
different answers. So that's why I can't. I don't think
there's like a good guy or a good person. Not good,
but you mean in the sense of creative right, So yeah,
it was it was odd to hear her say that,
and then you know, good for Ryan to put that
out there. So super Mike says, the very existence of right,
sky Walker prus it's lucasfilm itself was spooked. That whole
movie was backpedaling. That's right, because I've seen a lot
of people come out against Johnson and be like, oh, well,
you know, like they're like bringing up tweets in the past,
him arguing with people like people about his movie on
Twitter and whatnot, which is probably not a great idea.
But I never took that as like, oh, that confirms
he's spooked. And sure, maybe he is right, Maybe he was,
maybe he he aunced that trilogy. And then after I
went to Kathleen went, you know what, let's wait till
it calms down, or you know what, I don't want
to do this anymore, that's fine. But he had nothing
to do with Rise of Skywalker to super Bad Mike's point, right,
he had zero to do with that. He had zero
to do with Fall, like firing Colin Chavarro. And I'm
sure all studios DC Marvel have a times where they
get spooked in the backpedal, but in the public, Star
Wars has done that more than anybody as far as
the Big three, even all franchise in I'd say like
the last twenty years, right, Colin Chavarro, even without his movie,
because some people said, oh he directed that. I've never
seen the Book of Henry movie supposedly was like really bad.
And then that's another reason they took away from right.
You could say they got spooked with that, They got
spill spooked with Lord and Miller, they got spooked with
fucking Garrett Edwards. Right, They had Tony Gilroy come in
and reshoot a bunch of rogue one. So they have
a history of being spooked and changing stuff right, even
to a smaller degree. I think that's something that happened
with grogu make this big effort, this big faally, this
big moment of Luke. Excuse me this big mo of
Luke Skywalker taking mcgrogu. What were we gonna do with Mando
and the crew all along? When we get to see
Grogu next, guess what, You just gotta wait six months
or something and you'll see him in a whole different
show and he's back. You know, Like they have a
track record of being spooked, So it was odd of
her to say, and not even that just add of
unless like maybe she maybe she had a text shame
with Ryan Johnson recently and she's saying, oh, what fuck
that guy, like he said something to do right, Like
it just felt odd and the whole time of sure
they've been spooked, but the entire time of Star Wars,
they've been very good at being very quiet. DC's not
had that. DC's had a bunch of people speak up,
even on the Marvel side. Right even you go to
like whether he's justly fired or not, like Bo DeMeo,
it's like that thing happened right, or other directors happen
where it's like they kind of talk, or the Scarjo
thing happened right where it's like, sure they didn't say anything,
but you guys are in a lawsuit. So there's some
bad stuff going on there Star Wars. When everything drops
and a person goes away, it's still like, oh no,
we're a big, happy family over here. So I'm not
saying it wasn't even a shot. It was just weird
of her to say that. So I would throw the
tail field. But he had to Doug bounce out to
go check on his baby. So I will go check
on him, or I'll I'll ask him that when he
gets back. But that's the interesting thing. Oh, that's what
we talked about that with Iiger, with him on his
way out too, Marvel going through some Marvel Disney Star
Wars going through some big changes the next few years.
And again I don't think the last CEO worked out
well for them for a multitude of reasons. So the
same thing as far as like, what is gonna happen
with all these brands, what's gonna happen after I'm very
interested in twenty twenty eight, barring any delays, right because
right now you have the Batman and manter Man of Tomorrow. Fuck,
I'm gonna make that slip a bunch of times, Man
of Tomorrow coming out within six months to each other,
what's that gonna do? James Gun's contract expires in twenty
twenty seven. They have now you can hear my babies
twenty twenty seven Netflix. You'll probably be finalized by then.
Like I said, what's Gun and Saffron'm you gonna do?
So you have that? Right? Yeah? There you go need
a cost We spoke out too, and she's somebody that
I really respect how she spoke out. And I really
like Needa a cost As, Like I see in her
interviews like what did I just saw a clippery yesterday
talking about oh last CHEDI of course, but like I
really like her. I son't seen head Up, but Canny
Man loved the twenty eight years later the second one
here Bone Temple will talk about. But so you have
that Star Wars, You're gonna have Starfighter coming out and
that's when. Now if we're gonna movee in twenty twenty
eight or twenty twenty nine, not only the reception, but
it's like, hey, what are Felony and lynn Win? I
can't remember her last name, but Lynwin's gonna be announced?
What's the direction they're going?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then with Marvel, what happens with all these because
if Secret Wars is a big fucking massive hit, then
they're rolling in the shit again and they can start
a new with X Men de other stuff. But what
happens if it's critically bad, like rights a Skywalker make
some money? What happens if Doomsday is bad and Secret
Wars suffers is from that? What if there's all the scenarios? Right,
So twenty twenty eight, I cannot wait to get there
from a podcasting standpoint, because the landscapes we're it's like
we're in the middle of the war and then we're
gonna see the aftermath of all that. So it's gonna
be very interesting. But yeah, need a costa. The way
she's spoken out, she even said this way, Oh, I'm
super cool Kevin, like he brought me to the set.
I loved that. She was very serious of like, hey,
I pitched them a movie. We made a movie. It
didn't did not end up being the movie I wanted
to make, but that's happen. That's what happened. And then
even recently she said, you know what, that's not really
needed to cost a film. It's a it's like a
family film, right, And to me, it doesn't feel like
the way of some people, And I get why Fincher
did it, but some directors do that. Right if the
studio gets too much a whole thing, go all that,
that movie's not for me. Now. I'm gonna let any
director talk for themselves if they feel like they got
really fucked over and they didn't want to claim this
movie that's fun. But I like to just kind of like,
you know what, it was a a partnership there of
making it. I'm sure she hopefully got paid well. The
Marls didn't work out, but like I'd still like to
see her do something. And I didn't hate the Marvels
like other people. It's it's lower tier, don't get me
wrong here. But yeah, so I'll a question when we
get back. But so this has brought up something where
where should I go first? Maybe I'll go to this
question here, let me or this story here first because
this kind of sets up some things here, So I
do that question. Maybe maybe I'll do that question first
because I can rant on this a little bit more. So.
This is from John Patron. John, so thank you very much.
A couple after nins ago he made his debut. So
I'll answer this and this is still star Wars related
and then we're getting to the other kind of stories
around the article. But he asked, should Star Wars franchise
be looking to create a new era of characters at
this point we're continuing in the Skywalker solo is the
better option? He's saying. I felt so heldon Crew was
a good example of being a place new characters in
storyline and familiar universe within Star Wars lore and create
something interesting. Right. That's why I have a lot of
hope with It's funny you think you were in that
conversation a little bit too it because Clay asked, like,
what can you do to really fix Star Wars? Right?
I think it's not not like den the Water. I
could still make a lot of money. It's just in
a very it's in a you have to rehabit a
little bit. Because I said the three options where you
gotta go either very far forward or very far backwards. Right,
that's one of the others where it's like, Okay, you're
telling stories that are really not linked to it, like
a House of Dragon. It is, but you know what
I mean, where you don't have to worry about the
direct thing. You could do that, but as of right now,
it seems like they're not doing that. Starfire is only
five years ahead and we hear nothing but Nights are
a republic, right or even high republic. So that's option
one is far forward, far backwards. The second option, which
I know a lot of people don't like, is for me,
the reboot to remake, I would be completely fine. I
know people might think that's sacrileged. But if they said
we're gonna put out our slates and then in twenty
thirty we're doing Star Wars New Hope, like maybe they
retail but we're remaking that, or even know, if we're
remaking a Phantom Menace, I'd be fine with it. Like
I would because to me, it's like, you know what,
you kind of get out of the situation you are
now because the third option is you have to try
and salvage it, which that's never that's always tough, right
look at we're seeing that right way now with Marvel.
It's different because Marvel's a lot of big, heavy hitters.
But look at like the year twenty twenty three with
DC when they're trying to salvage the slight they had
Flash Shazam, Aquaman, Blue Beetle, the audience checked the fuck out. Now,
there's a lot of comic movies that year. Granted, sure
that's another reason, but on all of those characters at property,
the audience checked out Transformers after eventually Bay was killing
it and putting all these billion dollar movies out. But
then whichever one happened before the Last Night happened, people
started to check out. And then last Night didn't hit
a billion, and then Bumblebee happened, and then Rise of
the cod the Beasts or whatever, and then Transformers one.
That's the problem is when you have to salvage something,
you had to put a lot more work in it.
So that's why for me and Taya's coming back, and
you might think it's sacrilege, but I would be completely
fine if they said, yeah, we're just remaking Star Wars
and starting a new because you have no baggage, and
because to me it's like all then the story ends
with nine, and I'm not happy with nine, but like
it's over and you can go somewhere else and do
it with new actors and whatnot. So Tayo, while you're.
Speaker 3: Gone, No, no, so if you redo, you redo everything. Yeah,
then why would they redo everything, just they can go
back and tell the stories with the original trilogy and
with Luke Skywalker and stuff. I mean this it's a
sandbox right like this, but.
Speaker 1: They don't play in that sandbox they stay in.
Speaker 3: They don't and that's that's their fault. And then again,
if you redo everything and just go back to the
original trilogy, I mean, it's gonna be the same story,
same characters, some different new aesthetics and new takes, but
you're gonna be You're gonna struggle just the same. It's
not change. If they can't play in the sandbox and
give us what we want, like not what we want,
but give us great new characters, new stories in this
universe in other areas and aspects which they've tried, then
I do not trust them to do a whole reboot
of that original trilogy which we're familiar with, because it's
gonna damage and it's gonna make the original trilli prop
even higher. So they need to play in the sandbox,
play with like god, and just get better. I mean,
like you've pitched this before. They need to go to
the old report Public High Republic era.
Speaker 1: So, like Mike says, I don't think we've I don't
think Foloni is doing anything like that. Acolyte was the
test that failed, and now they're like, ah, we're not
going to do that. We've we got the game Nights
Over Puck announced. But here's my counter though, don't you
think the quality of Blast Jedi and uh Ryce Skywalker
it hurts Force Awakens a bit because those movies are
so messy, because Forest Awake ends and you have all
this stuff to look forward to, and then when you
get to A and nine it's a mess. So like,
if you continue and this is my thing of as
a Starfighter, and we'll talk about like trilogy and Ray
Movie all this stuff, if those are bad or continue
to underwhelm, that starts to hurt even more so the original.
It doesn't hurt the quality of the Original trilogy in the
sense of those movies they can stand alone, but the continual,
the continuality of them, the storyline, the characters that go throughout,
like lots of people they like, for example, right like
I don't feel this way, but look at Indiana Jones
style and Justyle Destiny, Dyald Destiny. Lots of people hate
that Harrison for or oh god damn it, and he
had Jones ended up depressed and he was divorced and
his son was dead, and people like, man, that sucks.
Now the Indiana Jones ending character is that I don't
feel that way. But I'm saying that's where when you said, yeah,
there's a lot of baggage if your reboot, but if
you continually start to make stuff that sucks, then you're like,
then you're hurting the overall, like you're hurting all those
stuff that come from past, Like not in a vacuum.
You can still watch Empire Strikes Back and be great.
But I'm saying, in the sense of it all going
as one line, that's where I'd say I would be
completely fine if they said I would go with reboot,
not remake. I wouldn't want them remake the movie. But
if they're like, hey, we're gonna start from Vanomenace and
things are gonna be really different, Like if they're like, Okay,
this time we're turning Obi Wan Innovator and Anakin, like
I would do, I'd be down for shit like that,
where it's like we're gonna tell a new mythos and
do our own thing, you know.
Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, And that's I think there's a place
for stuff like that, I really do. But I just
think they need to If people aren't liking what they're doing,
then that means that it's it's it's the people that
they have employed writing and creating and doing these things.
The actors and actresses can only do so much with
what they're given. And I mean, in Acolyte, we got
some damn good performances and that's you know, it's tough
to say that too, because they were given some pretty
rough things to work with. But I think at the
end of the day, it's it's it comes down to
company internal stuff and they need to really get their
their stuff sorted out. I think they need to look
at like a point A to point C and just
really focus on that. Because, yeah, Force Awakens, that was
like the most Force Awakens in Rogue one, two, Unified Fronts.
Everyone was there, it was Star Wars. It was back
billion dollar movies, and of course that continues to the
sequel trilogy. But the sequel trilogy just was riding off
of that Star Wars hype and that excitement. So I yeah,
I just think that when it comes to these movies,
they need to commit to a start and a finish
and I mean, you know, Mike and the Chattis trilogy
here we come. I don't need something like that, but
I think that they should have focused on and I'll
petition this and I'm probably a minority, but an Air
to the Empire trilogy like the book series, that would
have just been a perfect focal point for a sequel.
Speaker 1: Well, they were doing that, but that sounds like that.
That was its funny. We talked about that last week
where we said, oh, if he gets this gig that job,
that movie's probably done right now. In the report last week,
it just said that the movie Dave Filoney's mano Verse
crossover movie is on the back burner. But at the
same point when Kathleen Kennedy it was asked, but the
Hunt for Ben Soul that also, she said that was
on the back burner as well, So she didn't say
that was dead, but all people said that movie is dead.
So for me, like her, same backburner me means all
that following movie is probably dead. If if the solo
movie's on the back burner and even Adam Drivers like
this movie is dead, that means that's done. The manoverse
movie is supposedly supposed to have. We kind of knew this,
but manlorin Ahsoko, the Book of Effect and the Skeleton
Crew kids going against Throng, so you're supposed to have
all that going on. So it sounds like they were
trying to go that way, but I for whatever reason,
they're not anymore.
Speaker 3: So the Skeleton Crew kids against Thrown, I don't know
how I feel about that. I don't know if they're
but what it came with you Law, I don't know. No,
I can't gonna make a difference with the battle against Thron,
but I mean, that's.
Speaker 1: He gonna help out. But if that's not gonna either
this Bob, that's not gonna No.
Speaker 3: I would much rather see Jude Law get used in
a different sort of light because he's a force user,
that's not a Jedi, just a he's just out there
doing his thing. He's a he's a pirate, right, a smuggler, scoundrel,
and I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: But because how this how this let off? As John
asked our patron questions, said should start? And you talked
about this a little bit, but he said should start
as franchise be looking to create a new era and
characters at this point are continuing the Skywalker saw a
solo storyline that the better option, and I guess and
he said, I felt like Skeleton Crew is a good
example being plays through characters in storyline film, a familiar
universe within the stars War aren't creating something interesting, And
for me, that's where I'm kind of hoping Starfighter is
that even though it sounds like raised in there, because
we haven't talked about this before, but they spoiled that
there's at least light They said, a lightsaber battle, and
I don't have this in the news because we don't
have time to talk about it. I don't know, like
I feel like I know they're not gonna be sit,
but Sith Dark said, use whatever they got to be
in this thing, because like, if there's a lightsaber battle,
it's not a practice, it's not a duel, it's a battle.
It's like, okay, the ray or somebody's fighting something. And
I imagine they're gonna have a red lightsaber in and.
Speaker 3: When they say lightsaber battle, it couldn't be just like, uh,
what's a good example.
Speaker 2: You have?
Speaker 3: They're always red, red, always red. But let's say let's
say like in a Soca and that like penultimate episode,
you've got Morgan El'sbeth with her energy swords versus Ah
Soca's lightsaber. Right, so it's like, that's not a lass,
but it's not. That's a lightsaber battle, but it's not.
Both parties aren't rocking sabers, right.
Speaker 1: That's not she doesn't have sabers. I don't count that
at all.
Speaker 3: So Elsbeth or Ah Soca.
Speaker 1: Elsbeth Ahsoka is fine?
Speaker 3: What a well, yeah, I mean so you're looking at it.
Lightsaber battles means that both parties have lightsabers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been five years since in the story
they said it's been five years, so you can easily
find some sith us or dark side used or whatever.
And that's probably what.
Speaker 3: Mat I'll defer to uh Ah Soca Balen Skull and Haiti.
Speaker 1: Or versus too sith in there.
Speaker 3: No, they're not sith so he he he says he's
not sith.
Speaker 1: Why has he got a red lightsaber?
Speaker 3: It's orange, it's not red.
Speaker 1: It's it's not orange, it's orange red. It's a fucking
red lightsaber. So they're all sith, even all the stupid
The rule two never died. That was a mistake that
Flowy made and a company. But I hope that Starfighter
is like that. I think if you're asking me, though,
from what I want, I'm fine with either or I like,
and that's what we'll tell about the second this article,
Especialating just brought up that I like the idea of
continuing Ray stories, post story, Finn story, and obviously especially
Ren story. Right, I think there's still enough people that
enjoyed those stories in the trilogy, especially younger people that
will come out and see that. I also don't mind
like Skeleton Crew, which I absolutely loved. I don't mind
Starfire as well too. Is if they're just stories in
the Stars universe and they're doing their own thing. I
think the problem is, John, we don't. We can't. I
can just speculate. We can't answer until Starfighter comes out
because we have to see what that does financially. Because
if you're asked me, even though people felt very mixed
on the sequel trilogy, if you're asked me, what do
you think does better the Hunt for Ben solo or
even the Rain movie versus the Goston Starfire movie, I'm
gonna pick Ray or Kylo Ren's movie every time, just
because they're established and has some connection to characters Luke
Lanhan right, where this is completely new starfire, right unless
they start showing stuff in the trailer. But so you're
from a business standpoint, I think it's always still good
to lean on the solo Skywalker stuff. I don't believe
that the gas like lots of other people like I
don't want any more eye Walkers anymore. I don't think
that is it. But what about you, Taylor? You're muted
if you're.
Speaker 3: My freaking microphone. Sorry, I'm trying to time with the baby.
The baby screams, so.
Speaker 1: Inst direction do you go? Do you go? You go?
With some you touched on a little bit. But like
in the future, should they They've announced a ray movie,
but we don't know when that's happening. What should they
do a little bit of bow stick with the characters
they know, new stuff, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I do think that they need to lightly stick with
the characters that we know. And I say that not
the characters of the original I think the new characters
that have created, because that's just you owe it to them, right,
If you're going to do a new trilogy, well, It's
like the sequel trilogy brought back all the original characters,
and so in the original trilogy, I mean brought in
you know, prequel trilogy characters, right, and that weird kind
of timeline is set up. But I think if they
do the sequel sequel trilogy, you bring in Ray and
all those other folks, and then uh yeah, I think
you gotta just you gotta commit and like I said,
you do that point A to point C. You just
give us that good story and stop freaking out with
all of these different spinoff projects because it sounds like, Okay,
this is a great idea, there is a greatdea, let's
do a movie of this, in a movie of that,
like oh no, you know we're gonna put this in
the back burner because we can actually splice that story
into an episode ten or combine this with this, you know.
I feel like the Ray movie was a thing that
they announced a long time ago and then they back
burner and then it's like, oh, now we're gonna be
doing it again. And even when there's like interviews with
Daisy really talked about how Yah they're actively pushing forward
with working with her character, were working on something and
it's like, Okay, well that's all good and dandy, but
it just I think the future is best set with
them moving with this, and they need to they need
to really get away from the lack of Jedi thing.
I think my personal opinion is that they need to
go with a prequel kind of vibe where okay, not
like old Republic stuff, but like, hey, Ray set up
a new Jedi temple. You know, Luke it bombed, but like, hey,
we're going to have like a dozen Jedi in here.
We've got it all set up. We're not going to
be dealing with planet exploding stuff. We're going to deal
with a bunch of Jedi and like get into like
Star Wars, get into like, okay, we're dealing with a
conflict here and nothing that's repetitive, where Okay, the Jedi
are going to compromise their morals and become soldiers for
the Republic. But give us that story. Okay, the Jedi
are rising in and trying to become you know, like
that balanced powerhouse again. And then you've got this rising
galactic conflict where right now there's a void, like there's
no in the universe, there's no political power, right Yeah, well, yeah,
Laya is dead. The resistance is very basic, and resistance
is just freedom fighters. They don't have a lot of
political power amongst them. There's no sense. I don't know
if there's any senators really around because most of them
are all killed when the Starcular base like blew up
the New Republic and so then the First Order has
gone too. So who's going to swoop in and fill
this political void? Like the galaxy is open for the taking, right,
so it's.
Speaker 1: Probably why where they are still and jump five years though,
so be like, oh, these people are the people now
running it, you know, which I hope it's just regular
good people. We don't need another empire.
Speaker 3: It takes over.
Speaker 1: Sure, I would be like, I know that's a point
of fan of menace, but wouldn't that be interesting if
the world decided that we're gonna let like the stars got.
Speaker 3: The Jedi take all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that to me, it'd be something new. I'm
not saying it would be right or wrong, but I
think that would be super interesting if they all decide like, no,
we we want to go this route, right, And that's
where you get a bunch of Jedi and fuck in
the prequels, like the Jedi are almost running shop in
the Clone Wars era right, like they're yeah, they're doing
they were gonna.
Speaker 3: Kill Palpatine right and take over the Senate they should have.
Speaker 1: I love that Anakin's like, don't hurt this unarmed man.
It's like he just killed like dozens of Jedi man,
like and you count you cut Duke's head off like
an hour ago. But now, Mike, I know you're right.
You say it doesn't need to be jedisif for a
lights aer battle, I just like, to me, it's just
like the movies where it's like what lightsabers color, We're
gonna go with blue. I just feel like to be like, well,
it's gonna be a red and everyone if you don't
know how I feel, if it's red, it's a syth
because to me, the Rule Too thing was a croc
of shit when they introduced all the like all the
sisters and the brothers. There should be no other red
lightsaber peel, no other people using the forest should just
be syth or Palpatine invader. It's a bunch of bullshit,
like there can only be two, but then we have
these ten other cousins here and that's what I would like.
Is I joke around, but I would love it if
they would. It doesn't make sense because there's always been
more than two. But let's say they go with what
they try to feed us, right, if we get a
new Sith. I would love it if they almost reverse
engineered and went, you know what, the rule two didn't
work because look like Palpatine failed, Vader failed, we're gonna
go back to old Sith where we're just gonna have
as many people as possibel because then you can get
fucking ten twenty Jedies, ten Jedi ten fucking syth out there.
Like I would love that if it was like before
because who who did Reveens? Did he technically start the
rule too? Or was it Bane? You know it's Bain,
but that was right, but it was right before Reven
or when way Baine is before Reven, right, because the
Bain to Reven and Revin the Mallex, Yeah yeah, and
he does the sith bomb. But like even then, in
the Aeronight's or Republic, there's tons of syth around, right,
So I would love it if they if they did
that word, it's like, yeah, the Sith also the same
way we kind of hope that Ray is a Jedi
would change some.
Speaker 3: Things with the orders being is after Revin. Sorry, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: He started the rule too. Yeah, because that's how I
remember and like there's that whatever, Like I know, Reven
and Malk are kind of like a rule too in
a sense. But in Night's Over Republic, there's that moment
where you fight Malik and he's like, oh, here, deal
with all these people and just like dozens of Sith
come out that you have to fight, right, And that's
where I would love it if they went, if there
was some Sith and dark sid use it. When you
know what, all this time this has not been working out.
We're going back to the old ways. We're gonna not
just do two people. We're gonna have several. There's not
gonna be this master and apprentice. We got to take
over the same way the Jenera changing. Who the fuck
are all these people?
Speaker 3: So you know, I swear I've told you this before.
You got Darth Kraz and you got a Sith Twilight. Yeah,
so these are all like Sith characters that came out.
This is during the time of the Skywalker's grandson, Kate Skywalker, Right,
So this was like a Sith.
Speaker 1: Twilight.
Speaker 3: Man, this is this is a Sith group that came
came into power. Right, that's great, Yeah, this would be
pretty sweet. And they dropped the rule of two right,
so it was just their their whole group. But this
is the thing. So the Twilight now it's rumored and
we discussed that that she's supposed to have some appearance
of some kind in that animated mall series.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh really I missed that. Then maybe I forgot
about that conversation.
Speaker 3: So I can fine, I'll find dig it up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's gonna be interesting to the Ray
thing because we'll quickly go through some of this. So
they gave some updates. Hero taps looking so Kathleen Kenny
gave updates, and Star Wars project just said yeah, Ben
Soul Scripts on the back burner said, Taika, what tt
call turned in the script? She calls hilarious and great,
but it's not up to her if that movie goes through.
That movie is not happening. James Mangled film is on hold,
but it's incredible script, so that's probably not happening. Donald
Glover's turned in a script for the Mando movie, which
I kind of fucking forgot about up until this point.
I Oh, we're still trying to do that. Hey, I'm
still down for it. But this is where I'll throw
to you that Simon we've heard about this, but Simon
Kingbird is actively working on a trilogy of films that
David and lynn Wynn are very on board for. The
rumor is that he's made a seventy page treatment right
now and they're supposed to be if that's all good
to go, start in March. They're supposed to write the
phone scripts. Now again, with all these reports and different interviews,
here's the thing, Taylor, this trilogy that kim Berg's making,
lucasfilm looks at it like episode ten, eleven, O twelve.
They just don't know if they actually want to call
episode ten because of the baggage of everything. But they
viewed as this is a sequel trilogy. So now that
kind of plays in two because one thing that is
very interesting in all these exit interviews, she did no
one asked or she did not answer or chose not
to answer. No, there's no quotes about the Ray movie whatsoever. Zero.
So people, and that's where this article in Hollywood Reporter
put out there where a Star Wars sequel trilogy feels
in nevis since Hollywood Reporter given the vocal desire for
Solidburg's Kyle Rena movie and uh, let's say blah blah blah.
And then of that note, Kinberg's still new trilogy of
Stars movie, which is rumored to include Ray will be
in essence the new movies that are ten, eleven, twelve.
So now people are kind of specling, which I do
agree with. That sucks for that crew. But Taylor, if
let's say they decided in between they meet with Bridley,
we're gonna do a Ray movie. Great, let's get to it,
and they're working on the Ray movie in a year
from then or whenever they go, you know what, we
actually are gonna do episodes ten, eleven and twelve. To me,
I would understand not doing a Ray movie then, because
I think that's kind of productive to do a Ray
solo movie but also have hers in the sequel trilogy.
I get it, or the sequel sequel trilogy. I get it,
because you could say, well, in the Ray movie, she's
the main character in episode ten, she's gonna be in
an ensemble of characters. Right, Maybe we're meeting even newer,
younger people and she's their master. But to me, I
just feel like it it's almost double dipping. I don't
think that I love the Ray character, and I do
think she's popular. I don't think she's popular enough to
do a solo film and then her also as an ensemble.
I don't think she's Ironman, where you can do Avengers
and then Iron Man. So are you okay with that?
That in lots of speculation, lots of it's picking up
on things, but these reports have been at least going
around that this next movie that Kim Bigger's doing, if
it happens, they're looking at as episode ten. And to
me it makes sense that Kathleen said, oh yeah, Dave
and Linwin are really on board because it's like, well,
that's the one that's probably gonna go through, is episode ten.
Are you fine with the Ray movie going away if
we're getting episode ten, eleven, twelve, And how do you
even feel about an episode ten now? Because it feels
like we because remember when that was announced that trilogy
where it was the first star Scooper put out as
they're doing episode ten, and then Lucasfilm clarified like well
it's just it's just a trilogy. It's not like Episode ten.
But like they didn't want to like claim it yet.
But it seems like more Scoopers are like it's episode ten.
They just don't want to say yet in case it
doesn't happen, Right, So how would you feel about ten?
And then how would you feel about it the Ray
movie dies because of you know, oh well, we're gonna
do it an actual Star Wars sequel.
Speaker 3: Now, I would love to get a standalone Jedi movie.
I you know, I would kind of lean towards the
different It's.
Speaker 1: Almost like they could have done that with Obi Wan Kenobi.
Speaker 3: You know that's right, you know they could have absolutely,
But okay, if it's one of the other I would
love that both. I really really would, because I think
Ray is a character needs that expansion and we need
a little bit more time with her on her journey
and a soul journey, introducing new faces, new characters, a
new mission, whatever she's up to. It doesn't have to
be a long thing. Could just be like, hey, she's
on this jump in and she's halfway through her mission,
trying to fulfill this thing like Indiana Jones style, where
he's just kind of roped into something, you know, and
that would be great. It gives us a chance to
connect with the characters some more. And then there's I
guess that could be applied to another trilogy where you
have a trilogy with new characters and you have Ray
just brought in and like this position of obi Wan
Yoda or just to come in second movie in the
trilogy or first movie whatever, and then they don't have
a very dominating presence, but they're there long enough to
kind of push them forward. But then you don't get
development with them.
Speaker 1: So that's the con My pitch is, as much as
I have issues with the prequel trilogy, I know people
use the ben Kenobi Yoda I would rather her be
obi Wan Kenobi archetype in episode in the prequels, not
that journey of you know, the like apprentice to master,
just in the way that like in the first movie,
it was very much a three way of Anakin, obi
Wan and choir. Even obi Wan for half the movie
he's just on that ship on Tataween right like he
but then at the end he has a big fight
with Mal and then even with two and three, he
is a main character but he's the main character along
with Padme and with Anakin. Right, that'd be my pitch
for Reyes, not that she's Luke, but not that she's
Yoda and ben Kenobi either where she is a because
I don't want to be like, oh she dies in
episode ten. They care on like I'd like her to
make it for most of them, even if you want
to kill her of a fine get to episode like twelve. Sure,
but I would picture as the Obi wan Kenobi archetype
for the Phantom or the prequels. That's what I would
say they should do with her in that type of
screen time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's where I can combine that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there anything Let's see, Oh, and then I
wanted to ask you to they just a couple of things.
I's tell me while you're gone about you know. They
supposed to put out that this was from an eight
year scooper that yeah, Filony is not a fan of
and Or. Star Wars did come in and say that,
oh no, he's a fan of and Or, don't worry.
And then I guess it also came up today from
that same place that and Or was one of the
rare projects that he had zero input on and then
also came up that apparently he's not a fan of
Visions either, So you know, I.
Speaker 3: People are gonna hate me, but like I haven't seen
Visions is volume three. It's not knowing either, rushing to
go and see, right, and I.
Speaker 1: There's probably great stuff in there.
Speaker 3: Well there is, there is for sure, and there's a
few other things that I really enjoyed. But I know,
at the end of the day, like it's definitely not
my kind of cup of tea, but I'm happy that
it exists and it exists for you know, fandom to
enjoy and to take in. I know Kirkland just eats
it up and happy for him. It's not something that
I'm necessarily eating up though I got you know, Clone
Wars and other stuff that I'm a glutton for punishment with.
On the note of filony not liking and or yeah,
we talked about it a while ago, so it is
what it is, and.
Speaker 1: Definitely to me, I said, while you're gone, I feel
like it's definitely the case because like I feel like
this comes up too much now from different reporters that
like I think just people he works at Lucasfilm and
that what I kind of get visions. I don't really
understand because like it's not even cannon, so it's like
who cares, Like if it's a wet iff thing, It's
like if you don't like it, this is like leave
it off to doing its thing, you know, like let
it be on Disney. Plus some of the best Star
Wars ever to me is in those first two seasons.
I'm the same thing. I've not seen season three because
I've been busy, but season one, season two, there's mopile
episodes where I'm like, man, this is phenomenal stuff. I
would love this and live action.
Speaker 3: Even though it wasn't connected, you know, well, circling back
to a malling Yeah.
Speaker 1: That I also wanted to throw into that. What did
you think about the Ryan Johnson kathlete Kenny back and forth?
Did you know about that? Right?
Speaker 3: I saw one. I saw one comment with it, but
I did not go and dig it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She said in this exit interview that he was spooked
by the fan reaction. That's why he's not doing his movies,
and he just put never spooked. Lol. Sorry, so he
shot right back.
Speaker 3: I believe. I believe Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Sorry you do?
Speaker 3: You dropped the l in there.
Speaker 1: But I don't know I believe him because I think
he's just like, this is ridiculous to me. When I
dropped LOL, that means I'm like, like, I don't drop
L anymore. It's a hoff I drop L. That's something ridiculous.
Like I'm shaking my head, like, oh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I see it is the other way I see it.
Like you know, if you walk up to someone and
you just slap them real quick and they're just like
stunned and like oh oh, and you know they're like
kind of like spooked, and it's like, well, you know,
I'm okay, l L. You know, she's just kind of shocked.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's it at all.
Speaker 3: But with the with the mall shadow Lord, Yeah, so
it looks like his mall takes on an apprentice in there,
and it's a Twilight, and I think the thing that
that is that it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what Emily and I are doing for
next Alloween? My goodness.
Speaker 3: But I think you know the timing of this works.
I mean, I don't know what the average life spent
as of a twilight, but if you get the era
of Rey and them, and then you have this chick
who's been hiding in the background who trained under mall Uh.
Then she can could also not do any of that
side us, you could just use that character and leave
them all stuff. Why, oh you could, but why plant
the seeds? And we all know, like Floony is big
on creating the origins. When you look at the bad Batch,
that's that's creating origins for Rise of Skywalker with Mandalorian.
That's also trying to create origins for Rise of Skywalker
with the whole cloning Palpatine thing. And he's always focusing
on these origins of these characters. And I think also
it does.
Speaker 1: It does also plant origins for like Clone wars Ara
stuff though too though unfortunate. Right, So that's one thing
you might it does, But.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know exactly when is the
show taking place.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you that. Yeah, it's just like
that's the problems with the two eras, right, and that's
where we're gonna find out like if like and that's
where for me, that's where I do want episode ten
because I was wanna go forward. If Dave Filoni is
producing episode ten, there's a real test like that that's
a chance too. You could try to get people all
these characters again and you could go, hey, seven to
nine didn't work because for a few reasons, but didn't
work because we didn't have a full plan. If he
and Lynny could rock the new trilogy ten to twelve
and it turns out relatively good to really good, then
following will earn a lot of credit like that. That's
where to me, like the spin offs, the Side Project's prequel. Sure,
but if Flony is helping with episode ten, there's no
like his feet is in the fire then, you know,
because if it sucks, then everybody will be after him,
just like they were with Kennedy, right, Like even his
most supporters will be after him. You know, not as
much as I guess because you're not handling the Luke
and Hanolly, but still people will look at him and
be like, oh, you drop the ball here, you know.
Speaker 3: So so this is from Sam Wit where this is
a year after the Clone Wars.
Speaker 1: So oh fucking christ Man.
Speaker 3: This is this is basically filling in the gap where
he gets he's in. He's what happened in season seven,
like he was broken free by Soca and then he
went off on his own right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost going to fight him, and there he tried
to recruit a Soca.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna get you're gonna get between then and
up to Rebels, his appearance in the Rebels, and so
you're gonna see a lot because he does rebuild his
crime syndicate right when you look at Solo a Star
Wars story, So you're gonna get a little bit more
of that. But again, I think if he recruits this
little Twilight girl and then just she goes off on
her own venture, that that's all I want. I just
think that's a little easter egg. And then if they
were to throw her in live action and people just
see this like red Saber, redskin, Twilight Sith user just
popping in fighting Ray, I think that would be super cool.
I would really really like that.
Speaker 1: So before we move on, because we're almost time here,
fucking stars, I should have known. But with so Ray,
I think we both think that what obviously we had
all the hubbaboo with the Ben Soul moving that didn't happen,
and then this, you know, resurgence, What would you put
Kylerin's percentage of being in the sequel trilogy and being
back I'm not saying forest ghost, I'm not saying dream flashback.
I'm saying back as a character.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go eighty five percent.
Speaker 1: Eighty five for me, it's just interesting, right because it's
just like if they turned it down, like again, I
think you know what I'm gonna say, because I was
gonna say, if they turn it down because they think
he's dead, they don't know he's gonna come back to me, Actually,
that's just bullshit, they actually because to me, there's no
way they can believe that, right, Like, well, Kyle Ren
died like so, I think if they can see the reaction,
it's just a question of now can they put that
in the newest scripts. I think no matter what, Adam
Driver will appear in the new trilogy, I just really
worry I'll just be in dream sequence or like as
a forest ghost, right like something like that. I think
he's a lock to be in there. It's just what
is the amount. I think it would be great to
bring them both back. I hope that happens, but I
don't think that would be an episode ten thing. I
think it would be. I personally think would be like
an episode eleven, like they build up to that and stuff,
or maybe they do episode ten and just see and whatnot.
So yeah, we will see. Yeah, so we'll quickly go
past these two because they because yeah, lots of the
talk about there were Star Wars, but twenty years later
came out this weekend. Twenty years later, I guess Bone
Temple came out this weekend. I'll have to get the
exact but I'm pretty sure the predecessor came on at
like thirty million opening weekend, and this game it like fifteen.
So for domestics. So obviously we're and we're gonna tell
the spoilers check out the review. Obviously, we're in a
situation where they have announced the third one a couple
months ago, but that doesn't mean anything, right at one
point when I was making a fucking back round movie
and we're never seeing that, right. So that's the thing
where it's just like, I don't know, do you, because yeah,
opening weekend for that first one was thirty million, and
this was thirteen million, And that was the problem where
it was projected to hit like twenty twenty five, and
then they're like, oh, it's down to fifteen, and then
it's down to thirteen one and It's so funny because
in the draft, I think when we were on our
last pick still, it's like, oh, no, one's really picking
bone Tim. We're like no, no, like that's that's not
the thing. Like I was not surprised. Don't get me wrong,
I was not surprised. It was I'm not really surprised
about any of this. I'm more under I'm more disappointed
because I was hoping it would be Okay, let's say
the first one was thirty million. I was hopd okay,
maybe this could be twenty twenty. It's like ten million
dollars off. But that first one came out in springtime
had been a long time. This hasn't even been a
year since that first one. And I had said this
to Dylan after this multiple times, where I have yet
to meet a single person in my real life that
has seen the new one, right, Like, it's not like
something where oh, I know someone's seen Wicked. I know
someone's seen that. With this, like twenty years later, I
don't know what the audience is for this other than
you know what, we really love it. So one, Uh,
why did you think it had you know, pretty much
a over fifty percent drop for opening weekend we have
to see because luckily it's reviewed better than both or
the first one, and from a fan cinema score, it's
done better. So it seems like people have enjoyed this
one more on the critical side, but obviously a big falter.
So why do you think it fell so much? And
then do you think they do you think they announced
that third one, the ideas that killing Murphy's coming back?
Do you still think that's safe for? Where are you
on that one? After this one? And again, this is
the opening weekend. We don't even know the next few weekends.
Maybe his legs or maybe just keeps doing worse. Right,
Like that first one made one hundred and fifty million,
I don't even know if this is going to crack
one hundred million. You know that's that's where am So
why do you think it had such a kind of
underwhelming follow up.
Speaker 3: January? I think the month of January is probably a
big kicker. I think that month has a magical effect
on people that just kind of reduces their engagement in
seeing a movie for that month in theaters. It's interesting
because we're at a pretty crazy scenario here where you
have a movie that's really, really good versus horrible box
office earnings. And it's unfortunate because everyone that enjoyed this movie,
and I'm one of them, I'm afraid of the fact
that the company is gonna be like, hey, we're money driven.
As any businesses, it all.
Speaker 1: Comes down they still have to make a profit, right,
Like they still have to profit. They have to justify
as much as we always go like all bad business,
they still have to justify why they spend so much on.
Speaker 3: Xces, right. And that's the shitty thing about making movies
these days is because good movies, you're not getting good
movies anymore because it has to be about money, right,
And so we're we're at a situation here where we're
probably not gonna get hopefully I'm knocking what might not
get that third movie? And it could be a fucking banger.
It could be a great movie. You could just blow
it out of the water with its narrative and its
characters and everything with the story. But oh, it's not
gonna make enough money. So you know, boo, you know,
you don't you don't get it. It's like that's that's
not that's not good storytelling. And I mean, how do
you change that? I think you just changed the day.
I think the only thing is the month of its release.
I think people are pretty burnt out. You know, they
drop their any on Avatar three hours, Like I don't
feel like one of the movies right now. There's lots of.
Speaker 1: Christmas in general, right, Like that's what we talk about.
Why January Dude does bad. It's not just movie, it's
those people spend a bunch of money in December, whether
it's family stuff, on the dinner presence, so people don't
have that much. But I guess that's the the tough
thing is we're telling on the discord is I guess
they could have waited till October, but like there's nothing.
There's like February got scream, so that's not happening. In March,
you have like ready or not tune another thing, like
that's not happening. So you could have waited till October.
In retrospect, I think they should have. I don't know
why they didn't. It's not like the third one is
already shot and they're trying to release it and because
I'll one last time to look at October. But I
don't know why they Like that is a horror mo.
Then I do also think that I think unless you
are a massive property, if you're releasing within a year
of yourself, that's risky. I still think Wicked two coming out,
I know, I think Mike pushes back and he's on
the other side. For me, Wicked two coming out a
year after Wicked one, I think I actually hurt that
because I think there's enough people that I think there's
enough people like I just saw there, I've been there,
and they also realized it goes on vod really quick.
There wasn't that, like I gotta see the characters like
we just we just met them. But like, okay, So
for October this year, it's Digger, It's Other Mummy, which
is not a scary one. Other Mummy, the Social Reckoning,
so the sequel Social Network, Street Fighter remain, and then
Sean She the Beast, Bossy Bottle movie in September. There's
some horror like clay Face and practical Magic. But I
don't know why they didn't take a shot in October
and just say, oh, you know what, let's put it there,
see what happens. Because January, yeah, I think in retroactively
was not a not a good idea.
Speaker 3: You know, no, no, it was not. Then the other
thing too, I was thinking, like maybe they're hoping that
people would go to the theater, they would see this
and think, hey, actually there's certain things that they unveiled
at the end of this movie that will actually get
people pretty pumped and bring them around. People will have
word of mouth and they'll be interested in go see
it and whatnot. But Proba, with some of that.
Speaker 1: Word of mouth was already in the public though, right
they talked about certain things happening, So that's the thing.
There was never a big on doubt for that. So yeah,
I hope it happens. I think if it happens, though
I'm not saying forever, but definitely, that will be the
last twenty eight film for a while. Unlast you never know,
you get me, you.
Speaker 3: Don't know if you get another one.
Speaker 1: I could see them always rebooting it in like ten
twenty years, like even when we're older, you know, someone
takes an ip like oh try this out or maybe
becomes a series, right, and which I don't actually think
like would be awful. I think there's enough in this
world that you could do a TV show of. But
obviously got last of right now, so they wouldn't do that.
So all right, for last minutes, we'll talk about this
silly rumor here. But you know what, it is coming
from a B tier source and it is coming from
the same guy, Daniel Rpka who reported that, hey, they're
doing a new Mummy Moabe Brendan Frasher. He did that
like a month before it actually came out with the
Hollywood Reporter and Brendan Fraser confirmed that. So this guy
I think has a source within this franchise, I guess.
So again, if people don't remember the ideas they are
doing Mummy three, the reason it's called Mummy three is
because they're going to ignore the Mummy, the Dragon two.
What the hell is that two of the dragon or
two tears too quick at that, So they're going to
ignore that. They're gonna bring back racial advice as well.
We don't know about any other characters, but it's gonna
be kind of a sequel where this is the proper
third one, right, So that's happening. Fraser talking about that,
that's confirmed, at least it's confirmed to be in development.
I think it's gonna happen. They're gonna go through with that.
But then I guess so the same guy I put
up that rumor and then became confirmed he had put
out yesterday that supposedly there is an idea to bring
back the Rock for the Mummy three, and there it's
not off the table potentially doing another Scorpion King. Taylor Field,
how do you feel you're laughing? How do you feel
about both these options of Rock back for three and
the Scorpion King returning to the theaters.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I remember when I watched the first Scorpion King,
and that was like that was the trade on ahead
of all, like the previews for my VHS tapes.
Speaker 1: It was always it was on a lot of trailers
because I remember that shot of Rock with the barrow
and he's sweating and everything.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they made it out to be a lot
more like a sexual kind of like experience. I feel
like with this this Witch Lady and everything like that,
but really like like when you watch it, like the
trailer was so serious, when you watch it's actually really
kind of like comedic and yes, lighthearted and spirited and
the stuff like that. It has a classic kind of
two thousands vibe to it, and I really enjoyed it.
I really really did. I think me and my dad
back on the video rental store days, we went ahead
and rented one of the other Scorpion King movies, like
five of them there is. Yeah, let me see if
I can name them all off, because they one is
like Ron Pearlman in there, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: I will say so. I think for the Mummy three
we I don't know. We said we're definitely gonna I
trow the Three Mummies and Scorpion King. I don't know
if we could do the other ones, I'd say I
would have to take a poll, but I know all
the patrons I one will vote for us to do it.
It's just a question of we'll I get the wrong one.
Would people actually listen to us review those other movies?
Because I bet they're fucking bad and I bet they'd
be a fun time. But as we talked about twenty
eight years later, we still also got to make a
profit when we're doing the show for the extra content, right,
So it's like, can't we justify that? I don't know,
I don't know what that would be, but yeah, give
me all the titles of.
Speaker 3: These Okay, so I uh, okay, okay, I'm gonna share
my screen so you can you can see this.
Speaker 1: In the future if we ever do this with Kirk,
We're dying and you should create a bunch of fake
titles and see if they could figure out I should should.
Speaker 3: It's a small post. I apologize, but that's the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Here's the Scorpion King two Rise of a Warrior from
the producers of The Mummy. I'm not sure who this
fellow is.
Speaker 1: It's not showing on my screen. If you're it's not
showing up. Oh share this stab.
Speaker 3: There we go, There we go. I'm not sure who
there we will?
Speaker 1: Uh that that's Chuck Ladell. He's a very famous UFC fighter. No, no, no, no,
oh bring it back. No Randy Gatour. Sorry not Chuck O'Dell.
Randy Contour many times been talked about as being the
greatest fighter of all time. So they just put in
another guy I could fight in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's Warrior. And then we got Scorpion King's
three Battle for Redemn Shill.
Speaker 1: He's sane and ron for that poster does not look real.
That does look like a poster. I think the guy.
Speaker 3: On this guy looks like Dave Batista. To be honest,
is Batista? No it's not.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 3: No, Okay, fact check this.
Speaker 1: I think that's Batista. Yeah, I will one you said
we talked. We did talk about the Mummy Trayler last week,
so that's on the last episode if you want to
check that out. But yeah, it was he plays, he
plays what he played?
Speaker 3: His character's name is Argo mal Argo Mail Armail.
Speaker 1: All right, next post, next post.
Speaker 3: That's crazy about seven minutes Scorpion King four Quests for Power,
got lou Fragno in here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Louis. And I think that guy in the
right with the long hair, I think he's a UFC
fighter as well. He's like bear something. So Quest for Power.
Speaker 3: And then we got the last one, Book of Souls.
This one's just pretty drank. I think this was kind
of like a soft reboot, like let's get back into
making these movies.
Speaker 1: But geez, I wonder who's in that? But yeah, like
I said, I would loved I bet there'd be some
very fun reviews. It's just like, can I justify us
doing that? But well, we'll see if we get closer.
But what do you think about the actually idea of
rock being in Momi three and then possibly doing a
new Scorpion King.
Speaker 3: I I dig it. I mean, I'd like to get
a movie that kind of sets us up more on
how he was that character in the Mummy too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big jump. He's like a big hero.
He's a big hero in Scorpion King, and then when
they told him him the Mummy, he's pretty much just
like a dictator, like he's he's in sad fascinate, like
he's just all about power, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there and there must be like I
don't know, throw in some kind of like Anubis coming
down on him shit, like uh, something crazy, some kind
of crazy dynamic. I think there's definitely enough story there
to kind of bridge that gap and dive into it.
So I'm down for it. I hope that that's what
they would do. If they don't and they do something else,
then we'll see how that goes. But they've got the
they got the pudding right there to eat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because like, how do you I
wonder if they view this because we talked about like
would they bring back the Mummy again right like from
one and two? But I wonder if that's their answers like, oh,
we're not gonna bring him back, but we're gonna bring
back Dwayne, and like that would make that makes way
more sense money wise. I don't know how you bring
that character back. He was a gigantic scorpion. He got
stabbed and turned into dust. But I guess you know,
no one's ever really gone, So yeah, I don't. I
have a very saw spot in my place for the
Scorpion King. I loved those first two Mummies, and I
was as a kid in the height of the Attitude era,
loving professional wrestling, and then announced The Rock was gonna
be the mom movies that I also loved. Travis was
on cloud nine for Scorpion King. I was so I
watch I watched that movie so many goddamn times, and
I loved it back then, and I'm sure it's not great.
So I don't know why I'm fifty to fifty on
because I completely fine and I still think. I know people.
I saw Mike your time, I saw other people being like, oh,
he's already going back to these movies because like same thing.
Smub's asked, like, well, Rock, we were turning to Scorpion
King be the same as Adam Sandler making Hube Halloween
after not winning the Oscar. Like, I think the Rock
was always still gonna do this stuff. I still think
he likes the big movies, in the big paychecks and everything.
I think he can do both. I still am a
big fan of The Rock on an acting perspective because,
like I really enjoy it didn't Smashing Machine. So to me,
there's a lot of nostalgia with the Mummy coming back,
so the Rock would fin that. And I think we
all could also agree that the Scorpion King CGI and
Mummy two is not great, so maybe you get a
redemption there. And you know what, it'd be fun to
actually see Rock as like a villain. You know, black
Adam was not that, so see him go up against
Brenon Fraser. So I'm down, like, let's have some fun.
I don't know. I think what I would want to see,
and I think they would want to see two. I
do not think as a company they should go let's
do the Mummy three and then do Scorpion King. That
should be a let's see what happens. I don't think
they should go into Scorpion King right away. I think
see how big Mummy three does, and if it's a
hit and if people because don't go in production. What
if Mummy three sucks and people aren't in on this franchise, right,
That's what I would do, is do something and maybe
know what they'll do, te I bet they'll do the
reverse when you said you'd want to see the bridge
of how you get from how he became like the
hero to the villain. I bet what they do and
the Mummy three is they make the Scorpion King turn
good this time and he comes back to his original
form matteas or whatever in Scorpion King, and he's seen
the air of his ways and now you can get
back to doing because that's the thing of like, okay,
if you make him the villain and the Mummy three,
how to do the Scorpion King two with him being
the good guy again? That's what you do is you
give him the bay face turn there and then that's
a good way of like either he's a good guy
and that's the end of the story, or he's a
good guy and you're like leaving people wanting more. Right,
So that's what I recommend, But sure, why not, Like, well,
I'm just happy Fraser and Rise it back, let's see
if it works all round and go from there. So yeah, yeah,
so quickly next week. We will be back. Next week,
we're planning doing the Tuesday and Thursday. Both of those
are going to be Travis and Taylor told you just
because on the first week of February, Taar is not here.
So instead of doing we did once week together, we'll
be doing two next week. So that'll be the last
that run, and then Tail will be back to work
and so he won't be he won't be around one.
Are you ready to go back to work? You're only
like two weeks away from going back into the office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the five week period I'm currently tomorrow will
be my halfway point, halfway point. But you know, I'm
looking forward to your little trip at the end of
the end of this reprie. It'll be nice see some
more family and whatnot. And yeah, you know, maybe I
just won't go back to work. Maybe I'll just I'll
just and I'll just be you know, I.
Speaker 1: Agree to a five week run. That's about it. So
you have to you have to make your own show.
But no, ladies, and thank you everybody that was in
chatting you on the same questions, saying everyone watched live
or listen after the fact. Like I said, us too
will be back next week Tuesday and Thursday tatively for
eleven a m PST, and then I will be back
on Thursday is the Oscar nomination, so I'll be breaking
all that down. That'll be a juicy show. And then yeah,
Townholls tonight apm ps T live if you want to
join for that, Yeah, thank you very much. When we
hear of us next, it'll not be boring.
Speaker 3: Bye.