WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:25.679 Hey, welcome everybody. 2 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.519 This is Chris Haskell of a few different shows, but 3 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.719 I am super excited to introduce a new show called 4 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:35.960 brain Melt. And before we talk too much about it, 5 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.920 I want to introduce the originator of this, the Brainchild, 6 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:42.240 the mad Genius, Bill Campbell. 7 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:42.880 Bill, how are you? 8 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:45.359 Hey, how's it going, Chris? I'm good. 9 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:48.320 I'm excited to be doing this with you, and yeah, 10 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.399 really looking forward to this awesome. 11 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:52.960 Well, we are in episode zero, as you can tell, 12 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:55.240 so we thought we would use this as a way 13 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.880 to just kind of introduce the origin of the idea, 14 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:01.399 the structure of the show, and I tell you why 15 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:04.640 we're excited about it, and then we'll be recording episode 16 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.920 one here just in a few weeks, so we won't 17 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:10.200 have to wait too long before you hear a regular show. 18 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.200 But but Bill, this all started we recorded a podcast 19 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.879 about a month ago, now, maybe maybe two months ago now, shit, 20 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.480 I don't know, But it was because of your love 21 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.879 of Mondo micabre right that kind of got us going. 22 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:24.480 So do you. 23 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.439 Remember, like do you want to just walk through like 24 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:31.799 the in your brain? What took us from doing you 25 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.959 being a guest on the Mondo Micabro fan Fair episode 26 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.920 which everybody should listen to to today. 27 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.760 Yeah, definitely. So, like you said, huge fan of Monda Micabro. 28 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.879 Dating way back and getting to be part of that 29 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:55.079 podcast was like sort of a dream come true. So 30 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.040 we had so much fun doing that episode, just the 31 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.519 two of us, and our our report was really good, 32 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.760 and it was an outlet that I had never really 33 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.959 explored before, and so I started thinking about it after that. 34 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.159 And the original idea for this was going to be 35 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.159 like a substack kind of thing, and I was gonna 36 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:16.919 do weekly posts or whatever. It was going to be 37 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:22.360 about just outsider, weirdo cinema that had really started to 38 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:23.639 get me excited. 39 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:25.840 But then thinking more about it. 40 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:31.560 I really liked the idea of talking, you know, like 41 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:35.759 vocalizing my love for these movies. And as soon as 42 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.080 I started thinking about doing it, I thought about doing 43 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.199 it with you because we had such a good time, 44 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:44.520 and thankfully I pitched it to you, and you I 45 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.080 thought for sure you were going to shoot me down 46 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.560 and say that you weren't interested or you had too 47 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.120 much going on, but you you jumped right in and 48 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:54.960 we've been playing this for a little while now, so 49 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.719 I'm super excited to get the ball rolling. 50 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:58.639 And I'll tell you exactly what hooked me. 51 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.280 There is this there's this thread that I can't wait 52 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:04.919 to explore with you here over the next twenty years 53 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:05.800 or whatever. 54 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:06.080 It is. 55 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:14.840 Of elevating the discussion around SOOV movies, regional horror movies 56 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.319 that typically get looked over because they don't follow the 57 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.319 regular Hollywood beats of what a movie should be. 58 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.439 You use the term outsider art. That's a great term. 59 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.400 And you know, I have a personal history of really 60 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:33.479 like kind of evolving into loving those movies, not ironically, 61 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:37.599 but just loving them. And even today I was championing 62 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.919 for intensive care and getting a lot of shit for it, right, 63 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.680 And I think you share that, and so it's a 64 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.199 cool I will get into the structure of the show 65 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.759 in a moment, but that core kind of philosophy that 66 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.240 you have to really really hooked me in because I 67 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.520 think there's a cool way to bring up the discussion 68 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.960 around movies that other people look over. 69 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:01.680 Yeah. 70 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:06.240 So the origin of this whole thing, I started to 71 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:07.840 make a list on letterbox of. 72 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.960 At the beginning, it was just weird movies. 73 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.159 And when I say weird, I mean just like whether 74 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:20.480 it was thematically very strange or structurally bizarre things that 75 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.439 maybe you know, unpolished, sort of unfocused, but there was 76 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.759 really pure ideas there and a level of artistry that, 77 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.680 you know, was just so evident. So I started compiling 78 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.720 this list on letterbox and it grew and it grew 79 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:38.959 and it grew, and I think it right now, it's 80 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.040 around like six hundred and fifty titles at the point. 81 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.000 And the more I started to go through these, I 82 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.399 realized a couple of things. One was that a lot 83 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:54.560 of my interest in movies these days is with those 84 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:59.319 types of films, right the movies of Doris Wishman, you know, 85 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.439 really started to grab me. Jess Franco another huge, huge 86 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.160 influence on me. Movies where usually when we bring it 87 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.480 up in discord or in conversations, people kind of sneer 88 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:14.120 at it, they kind of turn their noses up at it. 89 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.600 The people who do get excited about it, and I'm 90 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.639 not saying they're not excited for the right reasons, but 91 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:21.439 a lot of what we would see would be people 92 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.759 being like, oh, yeah, all those movies are terrible, they're 93 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.079 so funny, Like yeah, watch watch them, you know, with 94 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.639 a bunch of friends drunk, and that's sort of like, 95 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.600 I get that that's fun. I totally see how watching 96 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.199 Final Flesh with a room full of drunk buddies is 97 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.040 a good time. But at the same time, I think 98 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.079 there's something to be said for watching those movies, either 99 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.639 solo or through sort of like a more serious, critical 100 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:53.199 kind of lens, because there's so much passion and creativity 101 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.120 on display in those movies. And so one thing that 102 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.839 I really hate is when people say something is so 103 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.959 at it's good. I just that that whole phrase just 104 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.319 rubs me wrong, because I think you're you're you're taking 105 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:12.480 away from what that filmmaker's intention was, or you know, 106 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.079 the work that they put into it. In the in 107 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:17.000 the passion, you're sort of looking at it as like 108 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.279 you're enjoying it ironically, and I I kind of hate 109 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:21.319 that type of irony. 110 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.480 So yeah, I think that's sort of what our goal 111 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:26.839 here is. 112 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.199 It's to to take these movies that maybe get kind 113 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.279 of laughed at or sneered at, or they don't get 114 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.639 the respect that I feel like they deserve, and we're 115 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:35.720 gonna talk about them. We're gonna we're gonna enjoy them 116 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.279 and listen, We're gonna laugh because there's a lot of 117 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:40.560 to laugh at. But at the same time, we're really 118 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.519 gonna like, we're gonna love these movies, and we're gonna 119 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:45.079 talk about them in a way that hopefully gets other 120 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.240 people excited to maybe watch them. 121 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:51.319 In a way that they hadn't previously. 122 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:53.759 Yeah, I love it. 123 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.240 Yeah, I think that there's something in My first real 124 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:05.439 kind of awe moment was watching Flesher Frankenstein. And I 125 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.759 remember maybe this was ten years ago now, I don't 126 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:09.800 know what, fifteen years ago, whatever it was, but I 127 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:14.839 remember watching it and being like, man, that's fucking awesome. 128 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.240 They just they went for it right, Like, and people 129 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.040 talk about the overacting. No, that's not overacting. That's an 130 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:29.199 intentional choice to be theatrical, right, And like there there's 131 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:35.240 this idea that I give. I give some people in 132 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.399 our discord a little bit of shit over saying like, 133 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.639 what's a good movie, because they they'll be very quick 134 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.480 to dismiss putting chopping Mall in my top ten because 135 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.920 it's like that's not real art, right, and or bad 136 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.399 pussy saying that shouldn't be in my top ten whatever, right, 137 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.439 And like I get where they're coming from. There's these 138 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.199 canonical films that we've been told are the best, and 139 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.079 like it's hard not to say that, I don't know. 140 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.800 Seven Samurai is not like a top ten movie. I 141 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:06.439 get it. I get that pressure. But each person's top 142 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.240 one hundred list should look different for me, right absolutely, 143 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.439 And like if you love a movie, just fucking love 144 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.600 the movie, like you don't have to make apologies for it, 145 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.800 like if it catches you and it hooks you. Like 146 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.720 I'm getting a lot of shit right now for liking 147 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.199 a movie called Horror from Beyond, which was the one 148 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.319 that everybody keeps talking about as the first movie from 149 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:27.519 Revivor too. 150 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.000 Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 151 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:32.840 But man, like as I'm watching that, I'm watching the 152 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.360 shadows move across the scene, I'm watching the depth of 153 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:43.519 black and white contrast. I'm watching really weird, quirky choices 154 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:45.799 made to like that the director left in to make 155 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.600 the movie more interesting, and I'm just like hooked to that. 156 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:50.879 I'm like, I'm seeing that movie is gonna make my 157 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.759 top one hundred. But like, I love that movie. I 158 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.240 don't care if everybody hates it, Like its just and 159 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.759 that's that's the kind of thing that for me, like 160 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:01.519 exactly what I want to do with this podcast, and 161 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.639 I think you're on board, is say, hey, this movie 162 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.120 that was lost for a long time would be a 163 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.639 perfect pair with say June Suzuki movie, and explore this 164 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.639 idea trying to pair it pair like a forgotten or 165 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.679 an outsider art or a exploitation movie or some dark 166 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:25.759 horror movie with something that's more classically recognized as like 167 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:30.519 a canonical cinema film. And I think that that conversation 168 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:34.639 just naturally allows that bridge to happen more freely and 169 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:36.799 for people to see that directors are trying to do 170 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.200 the same things. They may have a different budget, they 171 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.399 may have a different experience in the film industry, they 172 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.759 may have a different polish, but like they're trying to 173 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.039 set out to do the same thing, right, And that's 174 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:48.799 what I really am excited to explore here. 175 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.879 Yeah, so you you were the one who pitched that 176 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:57.919 idea of pairing these canonical high art house movies with 177 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.480 these outsider, you know, sort of oddball you know, warts. 178 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:03.039 And all kinds of movies. 179 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.159 And and that's great because that that cuts to the 180 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.240 heart of like what I was trying to do, which is, 181 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:12.159 you know, sort of see them through that more serious lens. 182 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.600 And when I say serious, I don't mean like we're 183 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.480 not going to deconstruct, you know, a night to dismember 184 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.679 and be like, ah, this is actually genius, brilliant high art. No, 185 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.840 Doris Wishman was flying by the seat of her pants. 186 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.399 She was, you know, using very little money, but she 187 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.840 was using her creativity. And that's what we want to celebrate, right, 188 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:36.320 that creativity, that success in the face of defeat, however 189 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.279 you want to call it. But something you just said 190 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.000 was really interesting, right, like talking about how you're getting 191 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.919 some shit for some of the movies that are on 192 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.399 your top top one hundred, their top fifty list. And 193 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.279 it's it's weird because even me, like this has not 194 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.559 been something I came to quickly, like these realizations that 195 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.240 I'm kind of going through and these like new these 196 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.600 ideas that are for me. I'm sure plenty of people 197 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:03.519 that are gonna be listening are like, yeah, duh, we've 198 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.519 been I've been talking about this for years. But like 199 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:09.000 on my letterbox, right, like I have a list of 200 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.720 my top twenty five movies, right, but then I have 201 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.240 a separate list that's like titled something like my Top 202 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:19.159 twenty five list with no regard for like you know, 203 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.159 artistic merit, right, And it's certainly like dawn to me 204 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.000 that like why have two separate lists, right, Like why 205 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:27.240 do it? 206 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.440 Why not meld those? Right? 207 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.960 So you know, something like mad Max Fury Road is 208 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.480 already on my top twenty five official you know, quote 209 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.440 unquote list. But I was getting shit in our discord 210 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.799 for having money python and you know, in the Holy 211 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.519 Grail on there, and I'm like, that's a to me, 212 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.840 that's a classic, canonical like one of the best comedies 213 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.960 ever made. That's something that everybody should respect. And everyone's 214 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.120 like shitting on it. And I'm like, wow, man, really, 215 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.840 this whole like this whole idea of like if it's 216 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.360 at all corny, it's at all weird, like it's somehow 217 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.159 less than you know, a woman under the influence or 218 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:05.799 something like that. 219 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:11.200 It's really pervasive. Yeah, yeah, And I think. 220 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.600 It's I think it's sort of like antithetical to the 221 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:20.679 spirit of film, of cinema, of art, right, like saying like, well, 222 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.000 these are the serious movies, these are the things that 223 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.960 we should really be valuing, and these are the things 224 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.120 that are just like junk food trash movies, and it's 225 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.039 like it used to be like, oh well, I like 226 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.000 to enjoy junk food trash movies. But it's like, hold on, 227 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.879 let's let's think about like, is Night to Dismember a 228 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.759 worse horror movie than John Carpenter's Halloween? 229 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:40.919 Is it? 230 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.360 Is it a budgetary issue? Is it a creativity issue? 231 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:47.039 Like there's there's a lot of parallels there. You know, 232 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.960 one's not necessarily better or worse than the other, Right, So. 233 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.080 Yeah, and I think that you see this if you 234 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.919 take it outside of movies for a moment, you get 235 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.759 in the art world, this parallel becomes a lot easier, 236 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:03.080 right because in one museum you'll have like a Renaissance painting, 237 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:09.720 and you'll have not existential what's it called experimental. 238 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.159 Art, and you'll have like. 239 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:17.240 All these different types of eras and genres and styles 240 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:19.639 impressionistic paintings, right. 241 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.639 You'll have all these surrealist is the word I was 242 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:23.440 looking for? Thank you? Yeah? 243 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.159 Yeah, You'll have all these different things, like, and they're 244 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:25.960 all under one roof. 245 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.320 So people in the art world. 246 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.159 Have already kind of accepted that there's no such thing 247 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:34.960 as one form of beauty, right, And so I like, 248 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.279 I like this idea of being part of something that 249 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.000 you know, you said you were inspired by Bleeding Skull, 250 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.879 and I love that because, right because what Annie and 251 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.639 Joe are doing there is amazing, right, And I like 252 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.039 this idea of treating movies as art as opposed to 253 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:59.759 just movies, because art there's like a much longer history 254 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.639 to hold from into draw analogies too, And that helped 255 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.200 me shape the way that I saw Flesher Frankenstein and 256 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.240 help shape the way that I see Scooter McCrae movies, 257 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.960 because that dude's a fucking artist man, Like, yeah, he 258 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.559 makes movies for one thousand dollars, like five thousand dollars, 259 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.080 and they're better than ninety percent of the stuff that's 260 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.480 out there. Right, So, like anyways, we're just kind of 261 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.399 going in circles now, but like I think we're all 262 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.159 I think like this, there's something really wholesome in this 263 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.279 in a weird way that I'm excited about exploring and 264 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.759 something that I'm very passionate about. So I'm very happy 265 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.440 you asked me to join on this journey. 266 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.480 I think I think right now is sort of a 267 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:40.960 perfect time. 268 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.799 Okay, So two things, right, One, the reason I felt 269 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.919 like now is a good time for this is we're 270 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.960 obviously seeing like physical media has been booming for years, 271 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.639 but right now I think we're at like we're at 272 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:55.360 this point where there's so many labels, so many labels 273 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.399 with sub labels, you know, it's it's becoming this like 274 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:04.480 really large thing, like larger than it's ever been. And 275 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.519 there's movies coming out now on four K that like 276 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.600 nobody ever thought we'd see even a blu ray of. 277 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.000 There's lost movies that are making their way now into 278 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:17.840 like the collective conscience. You've got labels like you know, 279 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.840 Visual Vengeance putting out like these SOV movies and these 280 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.600 eight millimeters sixteen millimeter movies that nobody's even talked about 281 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.440 in years and years. So I think now's the right 282 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.320 time to try to like just start looking at these 283 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.200 things a little bit differently. Like when it was just 284 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:36.559 more reissues of movies we'd seen a hundred times on disc, 285 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.519 like that's a little less exciting, But now I think 286 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.480 it's like a really exciting time to do this. And 287 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.600 then the other thing I'm gonna say is like that 288 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.840 was sort of my worry something you said when I 289 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.759 started thinking about doing this and sorry, my cat's reb 290 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.279 INU his face on my phone. He just jumped on 291 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:57.639 my lap and he's like, pay attention to me, bleeding skull. 292 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.519 Like I never want to my influences or the people 293 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:02.879 who really inspire me like I. 294 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:04.080 And that was my fear. 295 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.559 Was, like, man, Joe and Annie just do such an 296 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.320 incredible job. Like I've I've been reading their stuff for 297 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.639 years and just like I've always been in awe of 298 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.200 their curation, of like their dedication to their their you know, 299 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.840 mission statement. Annie's writing specifically has always been a huge 300 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.639 inspiration to me because it kind of showed me that 301 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.039 writing doesn't have to just be academic to be interesting. 302 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.600 You can also just write from the gut. I was 303 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:30.960 gonna say from the heart, but with Annie, I feel 304 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.639 like it just comes straight from the gut. Yeah, And 305 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.320 it was sort of freeing to think about that. So 306 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.480 they've been a massive influence on me, not just my 307 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.440 watching but my writing and everything like that. So I 308 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:46.519 would never want to like ape their style or copy 309 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.159 but I think they're doing their own kind of thing 310 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.080 and hopefully like this can be a good sort of 311 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.360 almost like sister to that, but in a different way. 312 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:01.759 So yeah, definitely inspired by them, inspired by Monto Macabreau. 313 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.839 Like these these companies and these entities and these people 314 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.599 who are just like doing just such amazing things. 315 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:11.880 Well I said around doing nothing. 316 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:13.839 You know, there's one more There's one more thing I 317 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:14.599 want to add to that. 318 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:14.920 I like. 319 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.279 I like what you said a lot. They're another good 320 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.160 reason for the timing of this, if we want to 321 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:21.880 just pat ourselves on the back here for a minute, 322 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.000 is there's a whole generation of people coming up now 323 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.200 that don't have the same movie background that we do. 324 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:31.240 Right, So, like. 325 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.799 Remember in the Discord, someone's excited to watch a never 326 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:36.920 ending story for the first time. That blew my mind. 327 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.880 But like, yeah, I mean that was cool to see. 328 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.680 Yeah, Like imagine experiencing the magic of that movie for 329 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:45.440 the first time, right, That's so awesome. 330 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.279 Yeah, And you know, to to just respond to that, 331 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.119 And that's what I hope is like that was really 332 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.400 exciting to see that, And I hope that they are 333 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.880 able to watch that and not look at it through 334 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.720 like an ironic lens, right, like not look at it 335 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:04.240 and go like, ohh these effects are a little dated 336 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.880 or this is a little you know whatever, Like just 337 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.759 just sink into it, man like, because that one is 338 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.680 crazy and there's just so many bizarre, beautiful images, and 339 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:16.480 the story has layers and heart, like, just give yourself 340 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.440 over to it, right, like in general, when you're watching movies, 341 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.200 just just give yourself to the movie. Like, don't sit 342 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.000 there and try to academically dismantle it, don't criticize it 343 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.000 while you're watching and be like, oh that was goofy, 344 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.240 that was corny. Just just sink into it. Let your 345 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.000 brain melt exactly. 346 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.200 I love that. 347 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.039 That's probably the perfect way to end the intro, and 348 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.000 then I think it's probably worth mentioning the structure for 349 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.759 a few moments. 350 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.400 So yeah, I think the easiest way to do this 351 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:46.400 is going to be. 352 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.119 To do we each look at the beginning. We'll start 353 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.519 from your list, right, There's been a lot of curatorial 354 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:58.119 effort that goes into that list, So start from that list, 355 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:03.680 we each pick one, and then as we watch it, 356 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.319 the hope is that there's some you know, art house 357 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:14.480 film or historically recked, you know, celebrated movie that we 358 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:17.880 we find a parallel to or connection to, and we'll 359 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.599 surprise each other live on the show with what that 360 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:24.079 what that ideal pairing would be and then kind of 361 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.680 why we think it would make a good pair uh, 362 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:28.279 And so I think I feel like that's a fun 363 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:31.200 way to not only talk about the movie itself, but 364 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.960 then also draw some parallels and whether it's themes or 365 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.759 shooting style or you know, whatever it is, to to 366 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.519 elevate the discussion to to that level. 367 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:42.519 Yeah, for sure. 368 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:44.759 And I think when when it comes to that, it's 369 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:49.079 not necessarily gonna be a movie that you know, there's 370 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.839 there's obvious pairings, right, Like, there's obviously obvious pairings where 371 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.119 you're gonna take some if you watch The Seventh Curse 372 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.160 and then you go, I'm gonna pair it with you know, 373 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.759 The House. Okay, that's obvious. You know, they share a 374 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:03.960 lot of crazy imagery and stuff like that. But it 375 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:05.279 doesn't have to be that, right, It doesn't have to 376 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.519 be country, it doesn't have to be theme. They could 377 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:09.880 be all kinds of things. Maybe it's even just Hey, 378 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.480 I think this would make for a good double feature. 379 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:13.200 This could be a fun you know, bounce from one 380 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.880 to the other. So I think a lot of interesting 381 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:18.799 conversation is gonna come out of that. I think we're 382 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.960 gonna like really surprise each other with some of these things. 383 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:25.920 And but I like that the idea is something that 384 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:29.440 is sort of like canonically respected, you know, sort of 385 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.559 doesn't have to be from Criterion collection, but something that's 386 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:37.279 like in that Criterion sort of electicon exactly. Yeah, So 387 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:39.440 now that's gonna be really exciting. And yeah, each week 388 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.519 we're gonna each pick a movie, we each watch both 389 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:45.920 those movies, and we come to the table, you know, 390 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:47.720 ready to discuss and sort of. 391 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.599 Kind of deconstruct. 392 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.559 And just talk about why, you know, why this movie 393 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.200 that maybe people sort of turn their noses up at 394 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:03.400 or see as a little less than more artistic efforts 395 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:08.599 really deserves their time and their like sort of watching 396 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.799 and thinking about it a little bit differently, and we're 397 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:12.640 just gonna have fun with it. 398 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.000 You know, Like I see a lot I foresee a. 399 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.160 Lot of time spent laughing, and just like you know, 400 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.440 I think the important thing to remember is we're not 401 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.079