Speaker 1: Greenish Sighty Tanks and everyone at Rich Wilson Wilson wilk
Speaker 1: into fantasy baseball, Like Timmy, I've forgotten my name.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, my name is Tim McCleod. I'm warning my
Speaker 2: name tagg. We should be okay for the rest of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: My goodness. Yeah, welcome everybody. It's uh January eleventh, or
Speaker 1: about three o'clock in the afternoon, and we're here to
Speaker 1: talk baseball. To mean, lots of we talked. It was
Speaker 1: every Sunday we come on the air. It's been a
Speaker 1: crazy week in the world, and this one took the cake.
Speaker 1: This was even a crazier week. And it's just put
Speaker 1: that aside for an hour and a half and talk
Speaker 1: about baseball, shall we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a good baseball This isn't a
Speaker 2: football podcast. Oh sorry, I am.
Speaker 1: Actually I have I have the Buffalo Bills and the
Speaker 1: Jaguars game on in the background, so uh okay, I
Speaker 1: don't even know who plays on any of those does
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't even know who I know any
Speaker 1: of the players, Timmy none.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I the last time I actually was
Speaker 2: involved in football was back in the nineties, and I
Speaker 2: don't think any of the players that I was looking
Speaker 2: at back then are probably still in the game, except
Speaker 2: maybe the Steelers quarterback. I don't know if he's still
Speaker 2: playing or not, but he'd probably be close to forty
Speaker 2: five if he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I know you're talking about but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean this, this might say a lot about me.
Speaker 1: I think I know the Kelsey guy on that's one
Speaker 1: of the few guys I know on the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs because of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's not good theah So yeah, so'r.
Speaker 1: How's your week been, how's any drafts, any reflections on?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you've been ranking. We're doing shortstop today.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's your thought. We're thirty days away from
Speaker 1: actually players reporting to spring training.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very it was. It was a good week
Speaker 2: from a league league point of view, simply because I
Speaker 2: got my invite for TOUTE and my invite for Labor
Speaker 2: and it looks like we have some dates set and
Speaker 2: my XFL draft date it is set. So it's a
Speaker 2: good week. It's it's always it's always nice to get
Speaker 2: that confirmation that that that letter in the mail it says, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'd like to have you back for another year, So
Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy about that.
Speaker 1: Richard, Well, we're happy for you. But Tim may I
Speaker 1: it's time to step up, my friend, time to step up.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You won the league a few years ago and it's
Speaker 1: been buckus since.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I keep drafting hurt players, Okay,
Speaker 2: for the life of me. Yeah, I can't understand it.
Speaker 2: I really can't. It's it's amazing, I would have to say.
Speaker 2: Other than possibly spending a lot of time with mock
Speaker 2: Draft Central and practicing the you know, the whole mock thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think my my game has lessened or my
Speaker 2: my skill set whatever. But when you're playing against top competition,
Speaker 2: you got to have some breaks in there. And I know,
Speaker 2: I'm I know what I'm whining, and you know, hey,
Speaker 2: everybody gets to deal with injuries. But man, I have
Speaker 2: been smoked for some serious injury problems the past four
Speaker 2: or five years, and hey, it's just part of the game.
Speaker 1: Hey, No, maybe it's going to be regressive regression back
Speaker 1: to the meme this year, so maybe you'll have some
Speaker 1: some luck and health. I'm in the middle of my
Speaker 1: draft and hold league, Tim and go for it. Terrible terrible,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you why. I think when
Speaker 1: you and I spoke last week, it was just about
Speaker 1: a weekend two a little less than a weekend, we
Speaker 1: were uh in round fifteen. Well, I just I just
Speaker 1: made my pick in the twenty third round. So we
Speaker 1: have slowed to a crawl round the day. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: down to around There was one day, Timmy, I did
Speaker 1: not make a pick at all. And I know I'm
Speaker 1: whining because I love this format, but this is it's
Speaker 1: been painful because, yeah, you go so many hours and
Speaker 1: I'm picking in the middle. I can't imagine that people
Speaker 1: picking on the end. I mean, you're you're full day,
Speaker 1: sometimes two days making a pick. Maybe it's just me, Timmy,
Speaker 1: and you can make fun of me. I can't keep engaged.
Speaker 1: It's not happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I understand that. You know, I've
Speaker 2: always been a big proponent of doing drafts on the clock. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think it's I think with a sixty second or
Speaker 2: ninety second clock. I think that's part of the game.
Speaker 2: And I get why in fifty round draft and holds
Speaker 2: in dynasty formats that doesn't work. But you're right it
Speaker 2: it just sucks the life out of you. Hey, he
Speaker 2: mentioned guy at the corner not drafting for two days.
Speaker 2: He makes his two picks. He makes his two picks
Speaker 2: in three minutes, and then he sits for two days.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's been tough. And the thing is, I love my team,
Speaker 1: I really do. But I'm just I'm not having any fun.
Speaker 1: It's just not It's like.
Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever have you ever thought
Speaker 2: of going to I know they have drafts with one
Speaker 2: hour and two hour clocks.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going. I'm doing. I'm going to the
Speaker 1: two hour next year. I made that decision when I
Speaker 1: you know, this week, it's like, wow, this is painful.
Speaker 1: It will switch to two hours here I think at
Speaker 1: round thirty, so it'll it'll pick up here at the end.
Speaker 1: But this is not Usually there's always one one owner,
Speaker 1: one team, my manager that's slow. This one is like
Speaker 1: three or four guys that I mean. It's just painful, Tommy.
Speaker 1: Just you know, they're you're looking there, they're down in
Speaker 1: the you know, below an hour, and then they always
Speaker 1: make their pick. I haven't seen anybody time out. It's
Speaker 1: just they're just slow. I can't and you know, you
Speaker 1: can't complain because this is the format. They have every
Speaker 1: right to take as much time as they want. It's
Speaker 1: just slow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what are people playing the We're
Speaker 2: going to use the full clock to see if we
Speaker 2: end up with a closer in the twenty second round
Speaker 2: or thirty second you know what I mean, is that
Speaker 2: game being played, because that's that's one of my biggest
Speaker 2: pet peeves with a slow clock, is people dragging you
Speaker 2: or on purpose hoping to find somebody who signs. That
Speaker 2: creates a situation where you can pick somebody up later
Speaker 2: on that proves to have real value and usually closers
Speaker 2: is I mean, it might.
Speaker 1: Be, but I mean it appears. So we started during
Speaker 1: the holiday and people see a lot of people seem
Speaker 1: to be off. I think people are working. I think
Speaker 1: we this was the first full week of work and
Speaker 1: things picked up again on the things picked up again
Speaker 1: on the weekend. Uh, it's just during the week that
Speaker 1: during the the business hours of the day where people
Speaker 1: were clearly not around and uh maybe maybe checking things
Speaker 1: on their breaks or whatever.
Speaker 2: But that's the more people should be retired, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got nothing to do, I got my
Speaker 1: computer open, I'm waiting for that. You're on the clock,
Speaker 1: or you're at least on on deck, and it's just
Speaker 1: not coming. But let me tell you about my back
Speaker 1: half of the draft. Here. Let me just again I picked.
Speaker 1: Let me let me just go through my first fifteen again.
Speaker 1: I'll just read the names and then I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I've done since there. Ellie d La Cruz Won,
Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz, Wyatt, Langfort, Matt Olsen, Freddy Peralta, Dylan Ceze,
Speaker 1: Randio a Rose Arena, Dennis Antana, Jackson Holliday, my buddy,
Speaker 1: your buddy, Bob King's high buddy, Jacob Marcy, Shane boz
Speaker 1: Uh Tatsuya Amaya is going to be the MVP.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm hitting the ten out of ten button,
Speaker 2: by the.
Speaker 1: Way, Ranger Suarez, my buddy, j t Romolto, I got
Speaker 1: my first catcher, and then Spencer Torquasen I took him
Speaker 1: with my fifteenth pick. I didn't I didn't know if
Speaker 1: we talked about that or not. So I cheap cheap power.
Speaker 1: Then I then I went with another cheap power. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you might criticize me this. Why with Mike Trout.
Speaker 2: Un if he plays three months, he's going to hit
Speaker 2: twenty home runs. Yeah, just make sure you got backup
Speaker 2: for him, and you're okay, right.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. And then I expect huge kudos
Speaker 1: with this next victim, Huge kudos Cosumo Okamoto with the sixteenth.
Speaker 1: This one's on MC, this one's on me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need a break for five minutes. Okay, I
Speaker 2: got to get the oxygen TANKO.
Speaker 1: Here, I got my okamotives. So I am. I am
Speaker 1: all in on the Tim McCloud strategy. Here.
Speaker 2: It's just won the league. Okay, it's it's over, it's done.
Speaker 1: I looked at what was left, and you know, my
Speaker 1: Vargas was there, Connor Norby, Ernie Clement alec Baum, and
Speaker 1: I'm going, all right, I think I'd rather have the
Speaker 1: guy that's got the upside. McLeod talks about him and I,
Speaker 1: you know, plus, it gives me another chance to criticize
Speaker 1: you throughout the season. So I so I took him.
Speaker 1: I actually feel pretty good about him, So.
Speaker 2: I think you should. I think you're going to be
Speaker 2: happy with that. When compared to the options that were
Speaker 2: available outside of him, How much risk are you taking?
Speaker 2: You know, you're looking at the picks that you listed,
Speaker 2: you're looking at twenty home home run guys basically for
Speaker 2: the most part, okay, with some batting average pressures on
Speaker 2: a lot of them. If Okamoto only has fifteen home runs,
Speaker 2: how much have you really lost? Yeah, the risk is
Speaker 2: negligible at that stage, I think, and.
Speaker 1: You know who I was going to take as my
Speaker 1: backup third basement. I've already selected him in the twenty
Speaker 1: fifth round, and that was the Yankee kid. So I've
Speaker 1: got Ryan McMahon coming in with the twenty fifth So
Speaker 1: of okamotave doesn't work out, I've got Ryan McMahon there
Speaker 1: as I've covered, right, Yes, So.
Speaker 2: Then I'm disappointed in the lack of confidence.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am the owner of the zero point zero button.
Speaker 2: So yes, I know that.
Speaker 1: I know that my next three picks are my favorite
Speaker 1: picks in the entire draft so far. Eighteenth pick I
Speaker 1: went with JJ Weatherholt. I think he's gonna play four.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get the four to five
Speaker 1: hundred bats. I think he starts the season in Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be the best player there. He could
Speaker 1: play second, he could play third. I'm not exactly sure
Speaker 1: he's going to play in But then I went with
Speaker 1: Garrett Cole. I mean Garrett Cole in the nineteenth round.
Speaker 1: I think we see him at least in the second half,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I kind of like it, and
Speaker 1: I went around twenty Carson Binge. I mean the at
Speaker 1: some point you have to believe the team, and the
Speaker 1: team keeps saying they're going he's gonna get every shot
Speaker 1: to be the outfielder. And it does not look like
Speaker 1: the Mets, at least so far. I have hired another outfielder.
Speaker 1: So I liked it. What do you think?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's great. Yeah, I think logically it works. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: whether or not the cards agree with you, we'll find
Speaker 2: out shortly. But I can't see how they can't agree
Speaker 2: with you at some point in time. I am curious, though.
Speaker 2: You said weather holding the eighteenth round.
Speaker 1: Weather hold in the eighteenth, benj in the twentieth.
Speaker 2: Okay, When did Connor Griffin go? What round? Oh?
Speaker 1: He went earlier that he went in the fifteenth round.
Speaker 2: Fifteenth Okay, So I think I think.
Speaker 1: The likelihood of I could be wrong. I mean, Connor
Speaker 1: Griffith in next month could sign you know, Jackson Cheerio contract,
Speaker 1: and you know he's up. But I think there's assuming
Speaker 1: the cheapness of the Pirates keep Connor Griffin down for
Speaker 1: a while, and he just flew through the minor leagues
Speaker 1: and has yet to hit a speed bump. JJ Weatherhold
Speaker 1: should have been up last season. He was ready to
Speaker 1: come up last season, So I just think it's safer
Speaker 1: that he's going to be up. And he's a very
Speaker 1: good player.
Speaker 2: So I totally agree. Yeah, I have both of them
Speaker 2: in my top thirty. I've also got Kevin McGonagall in
Speaker 2: my top thirty at shortstop, so.
Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall went with the twenty first pick. I decided
Speaker 1: to go with weather holdover McGonagall just I thought to
Speaker 1: think the fantasy skills are a little bit more friends.
Speaker 1: But Kevin mcgonagall's gonna hit. And I know I need
Speaker 1: batty average, but I figured in for a penny, in
Speaker 1: for a pound. Uh. You know, I've not given up
Speaker 1: on batting average, but I've you know, I'm not expecting
Speaker 1: to do well in batty average. I'm trying to blow
Speaker 1: out everything else.
Speaker 2: Right, No, and I think all things being equal, we
Speaker 2: should see okay. Uh, JJ Weatherhold up considerably sooner than
Speaker 2: we see McGonagall. So I I like it in that regard.
Speaker 2: I I don't I think second half for McGonagall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that as well. I would think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas there's there's no reason that we don't see
Speaker 2: other than the cards are being the cards. There's no
Speaker 2: reason the weather Hold isn't up right away unless they're
Speaker 2: just holding him back hoping to get a lowball extension
Speaker 2: offer out of him. And I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 2: work with JJ Weatherhold.
Speaker 1: It might not. The other thought on JJ Weatherhall. He's
Speaker 1: listed as a short stop, so I immediately get him
Speaker 1: as a short stop. But I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: play short stop unless Macy Whin gets hurt. So yeah,
Speaker 1: second base or third base, and I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the advantage there. So so so that's and then
Speaker 1: just to finish it off, now I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: reserved guys. Uh, I just at some additional speed, I
Speaker 1: got to Victor Scott the second and then then it
Speaker 1: was either will Vest, Kyle Vinn, Kyle Finnegan, or Victor Vodick.
Speaker 1: And I really wanted Victor Vodnick, but I said, you know,
Speaker 1: the safer pick is to go with will Vest and
Speaker 1: a better opportunity there in Detroit. Kendley Jansen. I get it,
Speaker 1: he's there, but he's old and will Vest is a
Speaker 1: pretty darn good picture, so I went there. I went
Speaker 1: Simon Woods Richardson h as another picture, and the data
Speaker 1: looks pretty good on that. He just missed my pitching targets.
Speaker 1: He was just in the next stripe. And then twenty
Speaker 1: four I went with Carson Kelly as my second catcher.
Speaker 1: He was one of my targets, and I filled that
Speaker 1: in myself. I love my team. I mean, they'll probably
Speaker 1: come in last place, but I love my team, so
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it looks really solid.
Speaker 2: The only problem that I would think you might have, okay,
Speaker 2: is with the pace your drafts going off. Okay, age
Speaker 2: might become a factor. Some of these guys might be
Speaker 2: before you're done. I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's again, hopefully it'll it'll speed up here
Speaker 1: once we get to round thirty, which again is when
Speaker 1: they cut what it is, because they're gonna cut the
Speaker 1: draft in half and and people are gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: go faster just by default. So let's take a break,
Speaker 1: come back. Let's talk about the news of the weekend.
Speaker 1: There was a lot.
Speaker 2: There was a bit.
Speaker 1: I've started off the training for Eddie Cabrera, my guy
Speaker 1: sending outfielder Owen Casey, second base, shortstop Christian Hernandez, and
Speaker 1: second base third basement ed Guardo de Leon, obviously Hernandez
Speaker 1: and de Leon being minor league players. I wrote a
Speaker 1: long notes for our Patreon members. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: fairly interesting trade. I want your views, and what did
Speaker 1: you think of Cabrera going to the Cubs.
Speaker 2: Well, when you look at the Cubs, okay, and you
Speaker 2: look at the rotation. I had somebody ask me, does
Speaker 2: this mean that the Cubs are sort of souring a
Speaker 2: little bit on Justin Steele and a return date? And
Speaker 2: I said, no, I don't think it has anything to
Speaker 2: do with that, because I don't think they're anticipating him
Speaker 2: back towards the second half of the season. Okay, maybe me. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I don't think that comes into play. But if
Speaker 2: you look at the rotation, they got Matthew Boyd who
Speaker 2: is thirty five years old and it's coming off a
Speaker 2: great year, but he's far from a picture of you know,
Speaker 2: uh a picture of hell. Right, Jamison, Jamison Taion's up there,
Speaker 2: and again there's been health he's using even has had
Speaker 2: some some issues. The only picture in that Cubs group
Speaker 2: of pictures that hasn't had per se problems is Kate Orton, and.
Speaker 1: He's Edward four or five games in the major leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not a not a lengthy resume, but
Speaker 2: even Edward Cabrera is far from being a picture of hell,
Speaker 2: you know, picture of health. It's uh so. I I
Speaker 2: I like to move from the Cubs point of view.
Speaker 2: I think they got a they got a solid picture.
Speaker 2: The return of the Mighty Casey has struck out, is
Speaker 2: is going to be heard. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: He's gonna play there, right, He's gonna play. I I
Speaker 2: I figure he's gonna play. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that I liked a lot about the deal, A lot
Speaker 2: of people aren't. They're not really mentioning, and I think
Speaker 2: they should be, is don't the Marlins have this young
Speaker 2: kid snelling? Okay?
Speaker 1: I think that definitely opens up a path for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that could be you know, hey,
Speaker 2: one less starting pitcher means one step closer to being
Speaker 2: a part of the everyday Miami rotation. And when you
Speaker 2: look at you know, after Sandy, I'll turn your Perez. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ryan Withers, Max Meyer and Brax and Garrett. I don't
Speaker 2: think any of those three are going to hold off
Speaker 2: Robbie Snelling. When my Miami I.
Speaker 1: Think, I think has a chance to You're Perez when
Speaker 1: he for Ted Tommy John Surgery was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's still like that top one two in
Speaker 2: Miami strong after that three, four and five. I don't
Speaker 2: think you're going to hold off Snelling. So for me, yeah, Casey, Casey,
Speaker 2: and that all might work out. But what got me
Speaker 2: the most excited was it opens up a path for
Speaker 2: Robbie Snelling, who I have a fairly big investment in
Speaker 2: already this year. So I was happy. I was happy
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: I did not get Snelling in this draft. I was
Speaker 1: anyone a little earlier than I liked. I think you're
Speaker 1: I think you're under value in your Perez. That's just
Speaker 1: my pin.
Speaker 2: No, I think Alcantara and Perez are a solid one too.
Speaker 2: It's a three.
Speaker 1: After that, Oh, I thought I thought you put Perez
Speaker 1: as you're number three.
Speaker 2: No, Okay, No, No, Perez is at number one. It
Speaker 2: could be a number one if they move Elegan. No.
Speaker 2: Perez is solid as a rock. It's three, four and five.
Speaker 2: I think won't hold back Robbie Snelling when they did
Speaker 2: hear when he's ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Thomas White's not that far away either,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's look the as we all know,
Speaker 1: the Marlins can develop pitching, and I think that that
Speaker 1: is just going to continue. Ryan Weathers, the data still
Speaker 1: looks good on him. He can't and stay healthy and
Speaker 1: back to the Cubs. I mean, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think the Dodgers have showed the baseball world
Speaker 1: is you need you got to be seven to eight
Speaker 1: deep if you want to if you want to have
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's much the same as our fantasy game, right yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You get a great grad one through six and you
Speaker 2: got you got nobody backing that up, you ain't gonna
Speaker 2: win your league. And unless you get very, very lucky,
Speaker 2: because the odds of a six man fantasy rotation seeing
Speaker 2: healthy all year are both the same odds as winning
Speaker 2: power Ball back to back, it ain't gonna happen, right,
Speaker 2: you gotta have depth.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Owen Casey don't have the I
Speaker 1: don't have the eightyp's up. I'm just bringing him up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Let me go to outfield and we'll talk about where
Speaker 1: he is going again. It's probably moving up, but he's
Speaker 1: one hundred and third outfielder off the board, so he's
Speaker 1: just just kind of in your first bench spot. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he goes up. If you take a look at
Speaker 1: Mike h. Scrimsky, Willie Castro, Jeff McNeil, Windziel Perez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, there's power. There's power. For sure. He
Speaker 1: will strike out too much, as approach kind of stinks,
Speaker 1: but right he could lead that. He could lead the
Speaker 1: Marlins and home runs next season.
Speaker 2: Jacob marsh he says, hold my beer, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he take a look at that Marlin. That Marlins
Speaker 1: team's not so bad. If these young kids can't do something,
Speaker 1: that's that's a team that starts starts to looks pretty
Speaker 1: interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the big thing will be and I think
Speaker 2: with the moves they've made holding on Together's talk about
Speaker 2: them looking at trading al Contra right in the off season,
Speaker 2: but I think that has now shifted to more like
Speaker 2: the trade deadline, simply because the Marlins have upgraded a
Speaker 2: little bit. And what happens if they're in third spot,
Speaker 2: come trade deadline within striking distance of a playoff spot,
Speaker 2: that changes That changes things a little bit in the
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 1: But don't you think also, our contra was not very
Speaker 1: good last season, and I would think the Marlins were
Speaker 1: not getting what they think is value was in the
Speaker 1: market should be And maybe they're just looking for him
Speaker 1: to get out of the gates really strong in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six and then move them.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when you take a look at the overall numbers, okay,
Speaker 2: what you see is a five thirty six year a
Speaker 2: and a one twenty seven whip with one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty two strikeouts and one hundred and seventy four and
Speaker 2: two thirds. But if you look at what he did
Speaker 2: from August on, okay, the middle of August against Boston
Speaker 2: one earned run in six innings, Saint Louis seven innings,
Speaker 2: one earned run, Atlanta seven innings, two or runs, strike
Speaker 2: o ninning. All through this the Mets, he allowed one
Speaker 2: earned run. The Phillies beat him up a little bit
Speaker 2: with four earned runs, but then he finished strong with
Speaker 2: only allowing two earned runs against Detroit, three against the
Speaker 2: Rockies in Colorado, and two against the Mets. He had
Speaker 2: a really good last six to seven starts. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm real bullish on him picking up from where
Speaker 2: he left off at the end of last year. I
Speaker 2: think he's underbelliared right now.
Speaker 1: So the last two months of the season is a
Speaker 1: three seventy earra. And I think you started with that
Speaker 1: Boston game right from that.
Speaker 2: Boston Yeah, I started the game before the Boston game.
Speaker 1: The Boston game. Again, we're picking the starting points and
Speaker 1: that's always dangerous. A to sixty eight earra in the
Speaker 1: last eight starts, you know. Yeah, but he did have
Speaker 1: a couple of tough outings prior to that, But to me,
Speaker 1: he did he pitched much better at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, what I like to see is in those last
Speaker 2: eight starts, he struck out nine once, eight twice and
Speaker 2: seven toys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so he's struck eight point seven per nine.
Speaker 1: He walked one point seven for nine. That's more like
Speaker 1: Sande al Contras opposed to the seven point three strikeouts
Speaker 1: for nine throughout the whole season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know I I'm very optimistic there.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm maybe I'm too maybe I'm overly optimistic, but
Speaker 2: he was coming off Tommy John and not everybody heals
Speaker 2: at the same pace. So I'm I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: end of the season and hoping we see some of
Speaker 2: those numbers reflected in his twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: I think the game. I think that's fair. He's not
Speaker 1: really being discounted all that much though in drafts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't looked recently to see where he's going.
Speaker 1: But let's take a look, shall we. I got him,
Speaker 1: I got him up here, go to pitching and typing
Speaker 1: Sand not Dandy, Sandy Sand. Oh no, he's gone sixty
Speaker 1: six pitcher off the board. So I backed that up
Speaker 1: twelve or so and that's uh, you know, that's fifty four.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so he's gone as your fourth starter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not so bad.
Speaker 2: I'll be happy with him as my number two starter. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, then you should be good.
Speaker 2: I think I my target list for pitching I've got
Speaker 2: in capital block letters scrolled on one page. Sandy, that's
Speaker 2: funny to mean.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the second deal that the Cubs made
Speaker 1: this week. In fact, that just happened yesterday. This is
Speaker 1: even more fascinating than they with Cabrera's signing, just because
Speaker 1: it has so many ramifications. That's the Cubs signed Alex
Speaker 1: Bregmant to a long, five year deal. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's filled with the opt outs, so they paid up
Speaker 1: for him, and I think the ramifications is one. One
Speaker 1: is that it was reported wildly that the widely that
Speaker 1: the Red Sox desperately wanted to bring Alex Bregmant back,
Speaker 1: but we're unwilling to secure him. So the first question
Speaker 1: is who's going to get his reps at third base?
Speaker 1: And are they going to pick up the pace now
Speaker 1: trying to sign Bobaschette, which is also rumored that the
Speaker 1: Yankees want to sign Bobaschett. Tell me how it all finished,
Speaker 1: how it all plays out in the next thirty days
Speaker 1: in Boston.
Speaker 2: Well, I would have to think that Boston is basically
Speaker 2: going to look at going with the young players, which they.
Speaker 1: Have a young which young players, A Christian Carsell is
Speaker 1: a Marcella.
Speaker 2: Mayor mayor I think at third base.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that, okay, and it was not very
Speaker 1: good in a small sample sized light was up.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know they're looking at potentially Rome Gonzalez
Speaker 2: being an everyday player. Campbell can slut in a second
Speaker 2: basis an everyday player, Rome Gonzalez can going back, can
Speaker 2: go back to being the super sub. But I don't
Speaker 2: think with looking at the team build in Boston, I
Speaker 2: don't see they've got Trevor's story. Okay, do they want
Speaker 2: Bobachett as well?
Speaker 1: Bobachette will play third. I'm assuming I would.
Speaker 2: I would assume so. But like you, take a look
Speaker 2: at Bobasheed and I know I've been down on he
Speaker 2: didn't hit twenty home runs last year and he wants
Speaker 2: what half a gazillion dollars in a contract. I it
Speaker 2: was a good year, the batting average was strong, but
Speaker 2: again he was hurt. He missed time. He didn't hit
Speaker 2: twenty home he drove in ninety four or ninety five runs.
Speaker 2: I think that the Red Sox are better off sticking
Speaker 2: with what they have and doing nothing. Get the kids
Speaker 2: some game time, and if those kids still even to
Speaker 2: seventy percent of their potential Styi'll be in it for
Speaker 2: the playoff runt they can. They can add pieces at
Speaker 2: the trade deadline and go from there. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's a need to sign a costly buy a big bet.
Speaker 2: I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: And looking at the data, his range is awful at shortstop,
Speaker 1: so he has just lost the footwork, he's lost the
Speaker 1: speed he's in the twenty first percentis probably all going together,
Speaker 1: so he he really needs to move off of shortstop.
Speaker 1: Second base would be preferable given his arm strength, but
Speaker 1: third base would be better than shortstop. Hits the ball
Speaker 1: really hard, Timmy, the high end exit veloci has absolutely
Speaker 1: no leverage. So maybe the Red Sox over relationship with
Speaker 1: Jad Martinez, bring him back during spring training and get
Speaker 1: him had some leverage to a swing. I mean that's
Speaker 1: where the that's why the home runs are missing. That's
Speaker 1: just eight degree of launch. I mean, that's a doubles hitter.
Speaker 1: So but he hits hard enough to he hits the
Speaker 1: ball hard enough to twenty five arm runs. But there's
Speaker 1: this he's got to add leverage to a swing. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on top of that, the Dodgers are in
Speaker 2: the mix. Apparently they're looking at a short I think
Speaker 2: they're looking at trying to low ball lowball them. But
Speaker 2: he can't rule the Dodgers the equation for Bishet either, right.
Speaker 1: And he can't. We can't roll the Yankees out either.
Speaker 1: I mean, what we do not know is are the
Speaker 1: Yankees still bullish on Anthony Volpi? If the Yankees are
Speaker 1: still bullish on Anthony Volpi, then they go with Jose
Speaker 1: Caballera for the first couple of months and then bring
Speaker 1: back Volpi. If they're not. I like Jose Cable, I
Speaker 1: just cannot believe they're gonna the New York Yankees are
Speaker 1: gonna stick with light hitting Jose Cappellira at shortstop.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's too many questions right now that we don't
Speaker 2: have answers to to come up with. You know, when
Speaker 2: we get to Volpi in the shortstop rankings, some of
Speaker 2: those concerns are are aired. But and again, Alex Bregman,
Speaker 2: he's going to the Cubs. He got his butt saved,
Speaker 2: didn't he after turning down what forty million on in
Speaker 2: options or eighty million whatever, It was a huge amount
Speaker 2: of money. He did get a landing spot. But I'm
Speaker 2: not overly keen on Alex Bregman in that park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's he's an older player too. He
Speaker 1: swept thirty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you Have you checked out Alex Bregman's spray chart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex Bregman's power is greatly diminished over time, and
Speaker 1: I think you're seeing the back half of his career.
Speaker 1: I think he could still hit. But if you told
Speaker 1: me he's a fifteen eighteen home run guy, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: because average eggs of velocity is, you know, ninety miles
Speaker 1: an hour's flat at average at the moment with a
Speaker 1: ton of launch. So and last year was the first
Speaker 1: year he had been ever over ninety miles an hour.
Speaker 1: So I think you're looking at a down draft in
Speaker 1: his home run power. And what was he eighteen last year?
Speaker 1: But he was hurt at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: If he had sixteen seventeen home runs, it would not
Speaker 1: surprise me. Everything is cool side. If you look at
Speaker 1: a spray chart, he stepp into the bucket and yank
Speaker 1: and everything in the left field.
Speaker 2: And take a look at left field in Chicago and
Speaker 2: left field in Boston. There's a difference there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's the wall. It kind
Speaker 1: of hurts home runs. But I mean it's easy to
Speaker 1: have a high batt and average with tons of double there. Yep.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm not overly Hey, good for Alex Bregman,
Speaker 2: but I don't think Cubs. I think Cubs fans are
Speaker 2: expecting the Alex Bregman from his best years in Houston,
Speaker 2: and I don't think they're going to see it.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, there's not a lot. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm looking at I mean his his average ax
Speaker 1: of velocity is we're all pretty much, you know, it's
Speaker 1: pretty much. Everything is the same. It's always been a
Speaker 1: leverage guy with not with average ex velocity. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that goes when you're turning thirty three years old.
Speaker 1: He's thirty one, is turning thirty two. So we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing you go steak in liquor that hits
Speaker 2: more home runs.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking it because I'm I'm now, I'm a
Speaker 1: proud owner of them, so I'm rooting for. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want to against my team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't bet against yourself.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't know, Jenny, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I'll make that steak and liquor bet after we have
Speaker 1: some data to take a look at. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so okay, So The big question then, is
Speaker 4: it looked like Matt Shaw was going to be the
Speaker 4: third basement coming into the season.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that is no longer the plan. Does Matt
Speaker 1: Shaw get moved? Do they move them to the outfield? Maybe?
Speaker 1: What's what's going to go down there?
Speaker 2: Well, the big rumor coming out of Chicago for virtually
Speaker 2: all the off season, and it hasn't come to fruition yet,
Speaker 2: is that Nico Horner is on the trade block and
Speaker 2: they're looking at moving him. Well, Nico horn is costing
Speaker 2: them a good buck, okay, and I believe he's heading
Speaker 2: into free agency in twenty twenty seven. So the logical
Speaker 2: move is Nico Horner, okay, getting moved and Matt shawnees
Speaker 2: up at second base. Okay. If Horner doesn't get moved, well,
Speaker 2: what do they what do they do with Matt Shaw? Hey?
Speaker 2: They can they can use him as a super sub
Speaker 2: per se and one of my worst fears because he's
Speaker 2: a right handed bat, okay, and Moyeses Belisteros they're current
Speaker 2: slotted in DH is a left hand bat. They could
Speaker 2: end up platooning by a Steros right in the DH slot,
Speaker 2: which would that doesn't that doesn't impress me. I think
Speaker 2: they're going to move Forrner and move Shaw to second base.
Speaker 2: That's what I think is going to happen. But if
Speaker 2: it stays as it is as per today, Matt Shaw's
Speaker 2: value is taking a huge hit, huge hit, and I
Speaker 2: could see them possibly looking at moving him based on
Speaker 2: some of the things that we have heard in the
Speaker 2: past three four months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt Shaw, I think, yeah, there could be some
Speaker 1: other things going on there. It's been pretty wildly widely
Speaker 1: report out, wildly widely reported that Matt Shaw kind of
Speaker 1: doesn't like to listen to coaches very much, so that
Speaker 1: he is kind of been not receptive to some of
Speaker 1: the teachings that the Cubs have had, and apparently that's
Speaker 1: rankled the Cubs. I've also heard that the players and
Speaker 1: the coaches were not wild about Matt shall le the
Speaker 1: team to go to the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much truth is to that, but I mean,
Speaker 1: all that could you know, shit happens to me that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff never You never know what's going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of that, so just you know, so
Speaker 1: that could be playing a role. But if Nico Horner
Speaker 1: gets moved and Shaw gets second base, then you know,
Speaker 1: all that stuff doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter right exactly. We can speculate all we want, but again,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we don't know how
Speaker 2: the the powers to be in Chicago feel about any
Speaker 2: of those issues. No matter how many rumors are floating
Speaker 2: around out there until they're substantiated by somebody, they're just
Speaker 2: that rumors, right.
Speaker 1: They're that, but they're they're they're out there, and I
Speaker 1: just felt like because it could play a role. But
Speaker 1: I think if you're in a draft at the moment
Speaker 1: and you've got you've got desires on Matt Shaw, you
Speaker 1: don't take him where he's currently going, because he should
Speaker 1: be you know, if too much risk there at the moment.
Speaker 2: I agree, in the one draft I've done this year,
Speaker 2: I own both Shaw and Bellosteros. Ask me how thrilled
Speaker 2: I am right now?
Speaker 1: Jeez, you know, I look, I think when you made
Speaker 1: those picks, they weren't a terrible call because who would
Speaker 1: have had Alex Bregman going to the Cubs. I mean
Speaker 1: that didn't look like a possibility because just set knee middle.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cubs have plenty, They have plenty of
Speaker 1: middle middle infielders. They need outfielders, and if they weren't
Speaker 1: going to sign Tucker, then they go with Cody Bellinger.
Speaker 1: But they've already had Cody Bellinger, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then you look at their oatfield and Pete
Speaker 2: grow Armstrong and Suzuki and Ian Hap they're not bad options.
Speaker 2: That was not a pressing a pressing needs. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh, it just goes to show you the best
Speaker 2: laid plans of mice and men can change very very
Speaker 2: quickly in this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes you tell so you just don't. You
Speaker 1: just don't want to mess with that situation. Like if
Speaker 1: it's if things are full, particularly for young players, and
Speaker 1: there's not a clear path to playing time, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: best just to tap out and move on somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. I think you have to look at
Speaker 2: each in every situation and scrutinize it and make what
Speaker 2: you think is the best decision. Sometimes it works, sometimes
Speaker 2: it doesn't, simple as that.
Speaker 1: And to just get a comparison, and Matt Schall's a
Speaker 1: better player I think than Owen Casey, But all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Owen Casey becomes more intriguing to me to
Speaker 1: Matt Shaw because Owen Casey. He's going to play in
Speaker 1: April and May. He might not play well enough to stick.
Speaker 1: He's going to get a shot. I mean, they traded
Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera for him. He's going to get a shot.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you know what three weeks from now,
Speaker 2: when Nico Horner is a member of the Dodgers, Okay,
Speaker 2: Matt Shaw's value is going to take a big Injries.
Speaker 2: Just you don't know, you really don't.
Speaker 1: But you also have to, don't you agree? You also
Speaker 1: have to play what you know at the at the
Speaker 1: current junction, and you can't like sometimes say well, I
Speaker 1: just believe this is going to happen. And I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong, because sometimes you got
Speaker 1: to play with what you know and what's the most
Speaker 1: likely occurrence?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor Griffin went in what's the fifteenth round?
Speaker 1: Fifteenth round?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Well, if the Pirates determine he's not ready
Speaker 2: until August, that's not a real good pick, is it. Nope,
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna have problems with that team. You
Speaker 2: got to have a fifteenth round pick carries a big
Speaker 2: chunk of value no production for three months. You best
Speaker 2: got to build yourself in something to cover your butt
Speaker 2: because it's going neat covering. It's as simple as that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to say that I made the right decision,
Speaker 1: but to me, JJ Weatherhold is the better pick there.
Speaker 1: Not to say that JJ Weatherhold is the better player.
Speaker 1: I think there's way more logic for JJ Well the
Speaker 1: whole starting the season or being up very early, as
Speaker 1: opposed to Connor Griffin. Now, anything can happen.
Speaker 2: KNT.
Speaker 1: Griffin's a potentially a unicorn and you know, is the
Speaker 1: next Led La Cruz kind of player, and it's just
Speaker 1: they're going to bring him up. And Wilson was wrong,
Speaker 1: But that's just my gut is like there's too much uncertainty,
Speaker 1: particularly when you include the Pirates and the equation.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're they're still trying to get him to
Speaker 2: sign a seven year extension for minimum all seven years.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, if I were running, if I were running
Speaker 1: the club, I think if you're running the club, Connor
Speaker 1: Griffin would be there. Maybe not on April first, but
Speaker 1: by May first, he'd be on my team in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was running the Pirates, he would break camp.
Speaker 2: He'd be on that team. You take a Look, how
Speaker 2: many tickets is he going to ticket sales? Is he's
Speaker 2: going is he going to generate in Pittsburgh three four
Speaker 2: or five I thought was in the game. Multiply that
Speaker 2: by a month or two. That traditionally the Pirates would
Speaker 2: sit them in the minors by forty fifty bucks a
Speaker 2: ticket and the bleachers whatever it is. There's big money there, Okay.
Speaker 2: I yeah, you got.
Speaker 1: A potential hall You got a potential Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: pitcher sitting there. And Paul Skins, who gets here's a
Speaker 1: here's a here's a statement for you, Tim that gets
Speaker 1: a day older every day. So it's like closer to
Speaker 1: free agency. I mean it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, now
Speaker 1: it's now or never, and uh, I think you just
Speaker 1: you got to bring up everybody and try to go
Speaker 1: for it because you're not that the next Paul Skimes
Speaker 1: might not be there ever again, but it might take
Speaker 1: a decade for the next ball Skiings even get close
Speaker 1: to coming on your team.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's like looking at the Jays five years ago,
Speaker 2: they had lots of time before free agency kicks in. Well,
Speaker 2: that time's now coming gone. The Orioles are halfway through
Speaker 2: their cycle, Okay, that's right on the on the on
Speaker 2: the kids that they brought.
Speaker 1: Up last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So, man, if I was trying to put
Speaker 2: fans in the seats and make money, i'd have these
Speaker 2: kids up here five minutes before they're ready, okay, and
Speaker 2: just go with it, because.
Speaker 1: If you brought if you, if you broke camp with
Speaker 1: Connor Griffin, you let him play through all of his struggles.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's Connor Griffin what you think he's going to
Speaker 1: be for the rest of his career by August, you know,
Speaker 1: July August, and and you just got to suffer through
Speaker 1: the first couple three months as he's learning the game
Speaker 1: and figuring things out. You know, he's going to steal bases.
Speaker 1: He might not hit, but he's going to steal bases,
Speaker 1: and he's going to help the team. He's going to
Speaker 1: be a decent shortstop, maybe in a very good shortstop.
Speaker 1: So that's what I would do. But I don't trust
Speaker 1: the pirates.
Speaker 2: Well no, and you know how many how many tickets,
Speaker 2: how many seats are going to be filled by Nick Sonzalis.
Speaker 2: And it's not a slight against Nick Guzalis. Sorry sorry
Speaker 2: if you're listening, Nick, but mister Griffin. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 2: pay the freight for a while in Pittsburgh. You know,
Speaker 2: hunting can might get a new car out of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, there you go, a final final move, like just
Speaker 1: a small movement. The Rockies acquired Jake McCarthy. Granted, it
Speaker 1: is the Rockies, so I mean, I in shart your
Speaker 1: own joke, I mean the Rockies. I think we can
Speaker 1: definitively say that's a worse organization than the Pirates. But
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he gets a jumping value. I would think
Speaker 1: at least at the beginning of the season he's gonna play.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, well, they got him slotted in at roster
Speaker 2: resource as the everyday right fielder. There's say, if you're
Speaker 2: looking in a draft and hold, if you're looking at
Speaker 2: cheap speed, you need some stolen based numbers late or
Speaker 2: even in a fifteen team redraft. Okay, if you find
Speaker 2: your little late on stolen bases, head into the reserve rounds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jake McCarthy can run, there's no doubt about it. Hitting well, again,
Speaker 2: that's questionable. But he'll do ases for you.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, But again it's it's it's the Rocky
Speaker 1: mistique of they'll probably stink when he gets there. So
Speaker 1: just I guess we need to throw that one in there.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a bit of a bummer
Speaker 1: if you're hoping for the best for Zach Vien or
Speaker 1: maybe Sterling Thompson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they hate Zach Veen, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, so that he took a
Speaker 1: huge hit. Even Cole Kerrick, who is an interesting guy,
Speaker 1: should start the season at Triple A. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: if McCarthy gums it up for him as.
Speaker 2: Well well, Either that or he's just simply a placeholder
Speaker 2: until they deem these kids to be ready, like McCarthy
Speaker 2: could be, could be just a one two month experiment
Speaker 2: to fill in the gaps until yeah, the kids, kids
Speaker 2: are ready. But again it's the Rockies, so yeah, think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not betting on them getting it right.
Speaker 1: Let's leave that.
Speaker 2: You look at Arizona and all of a sudden you're
Speaker 2: looking at Alec Thomas and centerfield Blaze, Alexander and left
Speaker 2: and Corbyn Carroll of course and right. What that says
Speaker 2: to me is Ryan wals Schmidt, as we have talked
Speaker 2: about fairly extensively in the past while, I think he
Speaker 2: should get a bump up into re draft leagues. He'd
Speaker 2: be a he'd be a reserve round target. Based on
Speaker 2: the existing structure of the Diamondbacks outfield. I think we're
Speaker 2: going to see him early. I really do. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to be a good player.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. It looks like Jordan Lawler unless
Speaker 1: they bring somebody and we'll get the starting slot in
Speaker 1: third base. I think he would have been a great
Speaker 1: center fielder, but doesn't look at that as the plan.
Speaker 1: I question if Alec Thomas is a full time regular.
Speaker 1: I questioned whether Blaze Alexander even more Blaze Alexander is
Speaker 1: a full time Regan. It's it's all sitting there for
Speaker 1: Ryan waltschmanth to come up.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I he definitely takes a bump upwards. I
Speaker 2: think as a result of this deal.
Speaker 1: Yep, totally agree with you. Tommy, take a break, come
Speaker 1: back and uh I want to yeah, whoops, hold on
Speaker 1: for a second, all right, We're back on. Yeah, Sorry,
Speaker 1: hit the wrong button there. So let's take a take
Speaker 1: a quick break and come back and let's hear about shortstop.
Speaker 1: Sorry nothing, everybody got my fingers mixed up to me
Speaker 1: and uh so, I I just update on our Dynasty
Speaker 1: Leagues and our site, Timmy. We have everybody is signed
Speaker 1: up paid for except for one one slot left in
Speaker 1: d L for an old legacy league that I need
Speaker 1: one more owner for. So I'm hoping somebody steps up
Speaker 1: and tells me they want to take that team. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty lousy team.
Speaker 2: So okay, well, hey, you know what, if you get
Speaker 2: stuck in a pinch, maybe I can convince Bob king
Speaker 2: I maybe the two of us could take it on
Speaker 2: just to keep things going.
Speaker 1: I offered it to Bob king High. It was it
Speaker 1: was a hard no.
Speaker 2: Okay, what you're saying is I'm really going to have
Speaker 2: to grovel, Okay to make ad I'm sure.
Speaker 1: We'll find somebody, but it's it's somebody who's get the
Speaker 1: first pick.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, hey, nothing nothing wrong with that. You're gonna
Speaker 2: get it. You're gonna get an ace level starting pitcher.
Speaker 1: There you go. I actually I've thought about I have
Speaker 1: a very good team. I thought about maybe giving my
Speaker 1: team to somebody else and I'll take it, you know,
Speaker 1: just take one for the team. And it's been the
Speaker 1: next couple of years rebuilding it. But uh, but anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's a hundred, it's it's weirder's you know, I
Speaker 1: got a dozen leagues, So that's you're talking a lot
Speaker 1: of one hundred and seventy eighty, probably about one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy owners and trying to get everybody paid up.
Speaker 1: And there's always stuff that happens. People don't want to
Speaker 1: don't want to go back for whatever reason. Some people
Speaker 1: just hate hate fantasy baseball after doing it for years
Speaker 1: and need a break, and you know so but so,
Speaker 1: But anyway, all of that is done, so down to
Speaker 1: one one final owner. I'll put it out to the
Speaker 1: masses and next week if I don't get somebody from
Speaker 1: our Patreon site or maybe the free members of our Patriots,
Speaker 1: I give me a give me a shout out. But
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all I'm looking for. All right, Timmy,
Speaker 1: you got shortstop? My friend?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: Tell me about shortstop. How do you think people should
Speaker 1: be viewing shortstop as they come into the season. What
Speaker 1: did you find out after reviewing it? I one thing
Speaker 1: I did note you didn't have as many players as
Speaker 1: some of the other positions, only fifty eight. I think
Speaker 1: there was seventy two second basement, which I found to
Speaker 1: be a little curious. So tell us what you thought
Speaker 1: about going ranking shortstop.
Speaker 2: Well, you could have one hundred and seventy two at
Speaker 2: second base, looking at how lean the position is, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think when you get to shortstop, I think it's
Speaker 2: a little more definitive, especially at the top end. Okay,
Speaker 2: you get the top fifteen, rostering any of that top
Speaker 2: fifteen is hey, I'm not going to fault you. There's
Speaker 2: I think the best collection of talent top fifteen at
Speaker 2: any position in the league. Okay, After the top fifteen,
Speaker 2: then question marks start arising. And when I started looking
Speaker 2: at it, I've drafted one league and I avoided the
Speaker 2: top fifteen. I went later on, and you try to
Speaker 2: utilize speed from the position. Okay, it'll work, okay, But
Speaker 2: you can't be passing on a Zach Needle okay, or
Speaker 2: a Gunner Henderson or a Francisco Lindoor and base basing
Speaker 2: your plans around not per se having them in advance.
Speaker 2: They're all great players, and they're going to produce wonderful
Speaker 2: stats of your fantasy team. But if you decide as
Speaker 2: you get into your draft, you've gone with an outfield
Speaker 2: focus or whatever strategy you're playing, You're going to look
Speaker 2: at the players from fifteen on as very useful chips
Speaker 2: in filling in the gaps. Okay, Yeah, you're dealing with
Speaker 2: players that will give you speed. You're looking at high risk,
Speaker 2: high upside youngsters, players coming off subpar seasons. There are
Speaker 2: options after fifteen, but that top fifteen is stacked. It's
Speaker 2: it's a nice group, it really is rich.
Speaker 1: I had wanted to go on into my draft. I
Speaker 1: had wanted to wait on Shortstop, and I said that
Speaker 1: to our Patreon members, but when Elie de la Cruz
Speaker 1: was there, I had to take Ali de la Cruz.
Speaker 1: And it's just the way it worked out for me.
Speaker 1: I did want Corpy, and Carra was pretty transparent about that.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy I got Ali de la Cruz. But well,
Speaker 1: you could do well if you wait on shortstop. I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, what happens if you play the waiting game, okay,
Speaker 2: is you have to really focus on your team build. Okay,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you might you might be
Speaker 2: looking at say Jose Kevleer or Xavier Edwards. Well, you
Speaker 2: got to find your power. You might be loading up
Speaker 2: in power on the outfield or first base if you
Speaker 2: decide to go late. But you have to really focus
Speaker 2: and stay on top of your team build, okay, or
Speaker 2: else you'll end up with the eight hundred stolen bases
Speaker 2: and no power. Okay. It's every time, every time you
Speaker 2: make a move, it results in a corresponding move and
Speaker 2: a corresponding move, and if you go later on short stop,
Speaker 2: I think it's very important that you stay on top
Speaker 2: of your game, or else you could end up boxing
Speaker 2: yourself into a situation that's not really favorable.
Speaker 1: Given your discussion, primarily around outfield, and there's so many
Speaker 1: outfitters going in the first round. Obviously, two non outfielders
Speaker 1: are Bobby Witt Junior and Elie Dela Cruz. What's your
Speaker 1: thought like for me when you're on the clock and
Speaker 1: Eli Dela Cruz is the best player on the clock.
Speaker 1: But maybe you go position same thing as Bobby with Junior,
Speaker 1: who's going to go number two, number three off the board?
Speaker 1: How much? How much do you go, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to take the best player off the board, or look,
Speaker 1: I really need an outfielder. Maybe I'll take a less
Speaker 1: outfielder because they fin out so quick. What's your thought
Speaker 1: in the first round, particularly with with Junior and Elie
Speaker 1: della Cruz.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm taking with Junior. I'm taking Elie de la
Speaker 2: Cruz where he's currently going. I might move up Francisco Lindor. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's gone thirty thirty two of the past three seasons.
Speaker 2: He missed the third season by a single stolen base.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's a good player. Gunner Henderson, I think
Speaker 2: is going to have a monster season. I'm I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the players and what they are going
Speaker 2: to provide rich and hey, if it's close, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: go with an outfielder. But looking right now at the
Speaker 2: at the you know, the overall ADPs, I am I'm
Speaker 2: not bumping down. You know, Hey, Aaron Judge is going
Speaker 2: to be off the board. He's going at two three, right.
Speaker 2: If I have a choice between Aaron Judge and Bobby
Speaker 2: Witt Junior, I'll probably take Bobby Witt. Junior would be
Speaker 2: very close. Juan So yeah, yeah, if he's there, am
Speaker 2: I going to take him? Or Elie Delacruz. I'll take
Speaker 2: Juan So I agree Corvin Carroll, But again, I think
Speaker 2: so many of these positions are in slots where you
Speaker 2: don't have that decision to make. Are you gonna take
Speaker 2: Julio Rodriguez, okay, or Elie Delacruz.
Speaker 1: That's exactly that was exactly my my my concern. I
Speaker 1: was in that slot and I decided I have to
Speaker 1: take Elie de Lacruz. He's the better player.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and especially with the news that we've recently
Speaker 2: found out about in November of all, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: really great time to be updating us on injury status situations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the end of November. Yeah, it makes no Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Cruise was hurt last year. I think we suspected it,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Well we heard this week somebody else was heard. Gunnor
Speaker 1: Henderson was reported I was hurt. Yeah, well, no shit,
Speaker 1: why did we knew that? Why did you say something? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe it's time they went to a football
Speaker 2: type situation and at the end of every week they
Speaker 2: have to make announcements as to player status. Okay, we
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Gunnar Henderson. He dealt with a shoulder
Speaker 2: impingement for three quarters of a year. Maybe that explains
Speaker 2: why his home runs dropped from thirty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. But it'd be nice to know that stuff,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it that when it's relevant.
Speaker 1: It was like car a couple of years ago is
Speaker 1: when you know, we saw the date he got hurt.
Speaker 1: We saw everything trail off after that date and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Well now you're not. And the same thing
Speaker 1: was with Gunnar Henderson. He started the year on the
Speaker 1: eye ol and he never wasn't he wasn't ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, pardon the language, but I'm
Speaker 2: calling bullshit on Carbon Carrol and you know, yeah, they've
Speaker 2: never said anything. He's been fine all along. It was
Speaker 2: just a coincidence he hadn't hit for three months for power.
Speaker 1: With Connor Henderson, do you take a look at the
Speaker 1: data and the data is like it all looked great,
Speaker 1: I mean every yeah, everything should He should not have
Speaker 1: done had the season he had last last year unless
Speaker 1: there was something that he wasn't able to turn around
Speaker 1: on which wouldn't show up in the data. And now
Speaker 1: we find out. So and my only concern with Francisco
Speaker 1: Lindor great player, but he's one of those guys that's older.
Speaker 1: You take a look at the data, that data is
Speaker 1: not good on him anymore. I mean it's it's danger
Speaker 1: Will Robinson kind of thing. So I'll just bring that up.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, fair enough. Yeah, but at the end of
Speaker 2: the year this year, very few players have the potential
Speaker 2: to be thirty thirty. I think he's still won next year. Man,
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens this year. Maybe I'll be proven
Speaker 2: wrong on that one.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the time. Well, it's almost like Mookie Betts,
Speaker 1: which you're probably gonna take. I guess he's only a
Speaker 1: shortstop or no, he's he's still.
Speaker 2: That's just nope, just short stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's can we skip down to hem because when I
Speaker 1: told him with your data, it looked terrible to him.
Speaker 1: It looked like this was an older player and his
Speaker 1: best years were behind him. And now he's starting to
Speaker 1: be reflective in that where he's going in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: And last year he was a first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: But I don't the data does not say is a
Speaker 1: first round draft pick anymore.
Speaker 2: No, he's going right now in the fourth round. Yeah,
Speaker 2: early early in the fourth round. Now you get to
Speaker 2: bet it's there's some variables that come into play here. Okay,
Speaker 2: he missed the season opener and lost nearly twenty mothers.
Speaker 2: You saw him the first month of the season, man
Speaker 2: it I'm I don't know how he hit singles, he taggered.
Speaker 2: He did not look good at the end of May,
Speaker 2: apparently struggling around in his bathroom and the dark. He
Speaker 2: fractured his toe, okay, and he played through it okay,
Speaker 2: which which is wonderful that he played through it. But
Speaker 2: how much did that cost come stolen base production? I
Speaker 2: think between the flu bug and the broken toe, it
Speaker 2: just wasn't his year. Okay. Now do you start downgrading
Speaker 2: because of that? I'm not looking at rostering Mookie Bets
Speaker 2: because of the age and what happened last year. But
Speaker 2: I can't fault anybody for saying, well, it happened, it's over,
Speaker 2: it's done. He's going to report the camp this year
Speaker 2: in the best shape of his life and the way
Speaker 2: we go, and he could produce to an extremely high level.
Speaker 2: He could prove to be a bargain as current ADP
Speaker 2: of forty eight. It's not for me, but I think
Speaker 2: we have answers. Unlike Gunner Henderson and Ellie de la Cruz,
Speaker 2: we have some answers to questions that at least make
Speaker 2: sense in looking at what he did last year.
Speaker 1: His average ex velocity in his big year twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three was ninety two point four. He was up with
Speaker 1: the big boys with huge lever, so it was the
Speaker 1: thirty nine home runs were shocking. But you take a
Speaker 1: look at the data, they go, Okay, I can see
Speaker 1: why I did that. Last year twenty twenty four eighty
Speaker 1: nine point nine. Last year eighty nine point one. So
Speaker 1: this is like, and this is what you typically see
Speaker 1: an older players, where the exit velocity start to go
Speaker 1: down just as it hit.
Speaker 3: The ball is.
Speaker 1: Hard, the speed has gone down. Maybe that has to
Speaker 1: do with his fractured foot. I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: hoping there's a bit of a bounce back. But I
Speaker 1: it feels more like a twenty home run ten stolen
Speaker 1: base guy to me as opposed to a thirty plus
Speaker 1: home run guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you say, well, you know, he played
Speaker 2: most of the first half of one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: five pounds. That's twenty five pounds later in coz Hell Deltuve.
Speaker 2: Probably you know what I mean. It's it's all about
Speaker 2: how much risk you want to incur. Yeah, this could
Speaker 2: be the beginning of the end. It could be a
Speaker 2: one off based on what happened last year and argue both.
Speaker 1: And thirty three come on, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's Yeah, maybe maybe that he'll bounce back, But
Speaker 1: I mean, father time is just catching up to these guys,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately Mooky BET's good chance he makes all of
Speaker 1: fame here at least has a chance. He's got an
Speaker 1: MVP on his but he we just turned thirty three,
Speaker 1: so he's in his thirty three years. That's that's an
Speaker 1: old player.
Speaker 2: By today's game standards. I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see too much, too much risk for
Speaker 1: me in the four I I would skip over bets, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just take some if I can't get one of
Speaker 1: the big guys. I would love Gunner Henderson in the
Speaker 1: second round, But if I can't get one of the
Speaker 1: big guys, it's just like, okay, I'll just wait.
Speaker 2: So you know who I'm really bullish on, and I
Speaker 2: might make an exception for Zach Needle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he moved up a lot from last season seventeenth.
Speaker 1: Now he's you've got to rank you got to rank fifth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we've seen back to back twenty twenty seasons,
Speaker 2: he's still young. I think there is the possibility we
Speaker 2: could be talking about zach Nido as a first round
Speaker 2: pick next year.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you think he's going You think he's going
Speaker 1: to hit hit enough to be a first round pick if.
Speaker 2: He goes thirty thirty. Yeah, yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a chance that he does that.
Speaker 2: He's got back to back twenty twenty seasons to start
Speaker 2: his career. If he elevates his game any any more
Speaker 2: above what it is now, he's already the going the
Speaker 2: first pick in the third round. He's you know that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked by anything that happens there. I'm bullish.
Speaker 2: I I'm willing to move him up into probably the
Speaker 2: middle of the second round, middle middle back, end of
Speaker 2: the second round.
Speaker 1: There, you heard it from the great Tim mc cloud.
Speaker 1: Trey Turner contendues, he's got Let me just do the
Speaker 1: top ten real quick, just so jumping around Bobby Wood
Speaker 1: Junior one, Elie de la Cruz two, Francisco Lindor three,
Speaker 1: Gunner Henderson four, Zachnito five, Trey Turner, Mookie Betts, CJ
Speaker 1: Abrams eight, Heraldo Prodoma and then falling in at number
Speaker 1: ten with Trevor's story, Trey Turner dropping a little bit
Speaker 1: from his heyday when he was a first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: but still you're pretty still pretty bullish on him.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the power dropped last year, but he
Speaker 2: still posted his third best season with thirty six stolen bases. Okay,
Speaker 2: when you start looking at Trey Turner, he's going back
Speaker 2: of the second round. If he EPs his home run
Speaker 2: potential by five to seven home runs and steals thirty
Speaker 2: five to forty bases, that's a good player. And even
Speaker 2: at you know, fifteen to eighteen home runs, anything over
Speaker 2: thirty stolen bases, the run scored, you know we're going
Speaker 2: to be very, very solid. So yeah, I and when
Speaker 2: I look at the NFBC versus my our picks are
Speaker 2: basically chalk for the most part, up one doubt on
Speaker 2: a couple, it's.
Speaker 1: It's that way. I didn't really highlight anything because you're
Speaker 1: pretty much chalk all the way through. Let's come we
Speaker 1: go to Heralda Perdoma. I mean, you got chalk is
Speaker 1: the NBC NFC You've got him ass the ninth ninth, Frank, guys,
Speaker 1: does the NFBC as far as eighty p's are going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there there was the breakout campaign. I get it.
Speaker 1: But is is this somebody your bullish going into the season.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure looking at the data. The
Speaker 1: data just doesn't support what he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not bullish, but I think he's earned his
Speaker 2: place in the pecking order. Okay, would I be surprised
Speaker 2: if be at fifteen home runs? No, I think he's
Speaker 2: going to drive in eighty to eighty five as a floor.
Speaker 2: He's gonna score very close to one hundreds, if not more,
Speaker 2: and he'll steal twenty to twenty five bases. The batting
Speaker 2: average is great. Okay, he might not be as good
Speaker 2: as he was last year, but I think he's still
Speaker 2: good enough to be a top ten shortstop with an
Speaker 2: ADP right now of the sixth round. That's you know,
Speaker 2: even if you reduce his numbers and work backwards, is
Speaker 2: he a six round pick? I think he is. He
Speaker 2: can knucking hurt you, and they can hitch it hurt
Speaker 2: you in any category.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna hurt you because he's a He's a
Speaker 1: great hitter. His walk rates are great, his strakeout rates
Speaker 1: are great, but his average ex of velocity is eighty
Speaker 1: seven point six miles an hour with a really nice
Speaker 1: launch angle, and he's forty fourth percentile and sprint speed.
Speaker 1: It's this is this guy that's not doesn't it the
Speaker 1: ball hard? He's not that fast. I I just don't.
Speaker 1: I that's too much risk. Maybe he's not three and
Speaker 1: nine like he did in twenty four. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's twenty and twenty seven like he did last season.
Speaker 1: I'm a lot less bullish than you are. I'm actually
Speaker 1: pretty negative on Heraldo to Predoma, seeing a big correction coming.
Speaker 2: See what I think has happened with Perdomo is the
Speaker 2: correction has already occurred in the ADPs. If people believed
Speaker 2: that he can repeat last year, okay and possibly up
Speaker 2: it a little bit, Okay, we see a natural sort
Speaker 2: of upward trend in the projections, Okay. If that was
Speaker 2: the case, I don't think his ADP w'd be eighty five, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think it'd be thirty to thirty five. So I
Speaker 2: think the correction has already been made by the bulk
Speaker 2: of the marketplace, and they're saying, no, we don't believe
Speaker 2: last year. But at the same point in time as
Speaker 2: a fifth, sixth round pick. Them's good numbers. So that's
Speaker 2: sort of where I'm coming from with Perdomo, and I
Speaker 2: think the NFBZ Folke, we're on the same page.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is a guy that can hit
Speaker 1: with who went to twenty twenty should not be going
Speaker 1: in the sixth round.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't think so. Would you rather
Speaker 2: have have him or a ros Arena.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a Rose Arena.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're you're not if you don't want the
Speaker 2: batting average from Perdomo, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think I want speed and production that early. I'll
Speaker 1: worry about uh. I mean, I I just I think
Speaker 1: he's more of a ten to ten kind of guy,
Speaker 1: not a twenty twenty kind of guy, and a better
Speaker 1: player than Lewis arrives, but in the same in the
Speaker 1: same group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he I think he's a fifteen twenty Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's why I think the draft slot is fair.
Speaker 2: But if if you're thinking he's a ten ten type player, yeah,
Speaker 2: then he's going too high. I agree with you totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: He's definitely a player we could talk about him for
Speaker 2: the next two hours, couldn't we.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I see Jared Duran at seventy
Speaker 1: two and Heroldo Perdoma at seventy. I mean, I take
Speaker 1: Jared Duran way before Heraldo Perdoma. I see Cody Bellinger
Speaker 1: at seventy nine. I'd rather have Cody Bellinger mcl garcia
Speaker 1: at eighty five. Please, I'd much rather have Mickael Garcia
Speaker 1: than Heroldo Perdoma. That's just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what makes the world go round. But
Speaker 2: why there's.
Speaker 1: A market, That's why there's a market, and everything is
Speaker 1: because you have people who go one way, other people
Speaker 1: go the other way.
Speaker 2: So exactly, Yeah, all I know is I think as
Speaker 2: I think he's earned his right hitting into this year
Speaker 2: to be a top ten short stuff. Whether he has
Speaker 2: that same you know, he can lay that claim again
Speaker 2: next year. We're gonna find.
Speaker 1: Out you have every right to be wrong, McLeod, and
Speaker 1: I will give you that, so will take a break
Speaker 1: to the next set.
Speaker 2: Well, let me think about that for a second.
Speaker 3: It's that's a very southern thing you saying.
Speaker 1: Very nicely, and it's just wait a minute, that's not
Speaker 1: a compliment.
Speaker 2: It's like my line is is it the word off
Speaker 2: You don't understand exactly.
Speaker 1: I guess we should give Trevor's story at ten a
Speaker 1: little bit of a you like, I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: more in the nfcebody's gone to the same general. You're
Speaker 1: believing that that what he did assuming Health in Boston
Speaker 1: is repeatable.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Yeah. I was very happy for Trevor's story. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's face it. The first three years in Boston to
Speaker 2: say they were a disappointments and understatement, but he brought
Speaker 2: his numbers up to the not not the power, you know,
Speaker 2: to thirty seven home runs, thirty whatever it was. But
Speaker 2: he had a good year and he proved he can
Speaker 2: still play. I think I think he can repeat what
Speaker 2: he did last year Assuming Health.
Speaker 1: At number eleven. Was Willia Damas, Jeremy Pania at twelve,
Speaker 1: Cory Seger at thirteen, Dansby Swanson at fourteen, Boba shatt
Speaker 1: Down at fifteen, a little less than where he's going
Speaker 1: in the NFC Otto Lopez, Xavier Edwards, Jose Cabolera at eighteen,
Speaker 1: Knda Griffin comes in at nineteen, and Ezekiel Toober, your
Speaker 1: guy from last year, drops two down to twenty. I
Speaker 1: do like Lilia Dimas and Jeremy Panya up there. I
Speaker 1: think they're just outside of the top ten. Cory Seger
Speaker 1: a little disappointing that you have him down so low.
Speaker 1: Clearly a guy with a ton of power didn't have
Speaker 1: a very season last year because of the injuries. Don't
Speaker 1: you think a guy that was the number two, number three,
Speaker 1: where did you have him last year? You had him
Speaker 1: ranked number seven, so he was ranked seventh, and he's
Speaker 1: down six lots from last season.
Speaker 2: You know, when I look at the level the skill set, okay,
Speaker 2: of the shortstops that he's going nose to nose with, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think I like Williadomas Moore. I think the combination
Speaker 2: of power speed gives you an edge. I think Jeremy
Speaker 2: Penny it's the same thing, the combination of power and speed.
Speaker 2: I think Corey Seeger is a fine player, Okay. I
Speaker 2: think he's a thirty thirty home run eighty RBI anyways,
Speaker 2: if he can get in five hundred of bats. But
Speaker 2: what's Jeremy pain? You're gonna do fifteen to twenty homers,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five stolen bases somewhere in there. You add
Speaker 2: him up, there's an edge. Williadamas stole twelve bases? I
Speaker 2: think he was over thirty home runs last year. Is
Speaker 2: Corey Seager going to hit forty home runs because we
Speaker 2: know he ain't gonna steal any bases?
Speaker 1: That's fair the guy, though, I'm a little closed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get I'm disappointed in people and you and people
Speaker 1: don't like Dansby Swanson. I've told this story before at
Speaker 1: Dynasty leagues where I had too many middle infielders and
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think at Bobby with Junior before
Speaker 1: he was just just as he was coming into the league.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. But Dancy Swanson was one of them.
Speaker 1: And I would put you know, Trey Block, put all
Speaker 1: the guys out there, and I get I'd get hits
Speaker 1: on everybody but Dansby Swanson. People hate Danceby Swanson. But
Speaker 1: yet look at his numbers last season, Tim, he was
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: Well, not only last season, take a look at his
Speaker 2: numbers for the past three years. Okay, going back to
Speaker 2: home run twenty two, sixteen twenty four RBIs eighty sixty six,
Speaker 2: seventy seven, stolen bases nine nineteen twenty batting average two
Speaker 2: forty four, two forty two, two forty four, run scored
Speaker 2: eighty one, eighty two, eighty four. Like he's a consistent
Speaker 2: he's a consistent earner in this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anywhere. But he's a twenty twenty guy with a
Speaker 1: low batting average, and it doesn't walk enough. I mean
Speaker 1: that's just you know, he's never walked the time. But
Speaker 1: that I still think that a two fifty two to
Speaker 1: sixty guy that you can get with the as the
Speaker 1: fifteenth shortstop off the board if everybody else, if you're
Speaker 1: waiting to me, that's the guy.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, look at consistency counts at times. Okay, it
Speaker 2: really does. And Dansby Swanson, what's his floor? Okay, it's
Speaker 2: a lot higher than Bubashet and his floor is a
Speaker 2: lot higher than a lot of the shortstops okay on
Speaker 2: this list. But again because he doesn't have big home
Speaker 2: run potentially, he doesn't have big stolen base, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't have big anything potential. But he's a consistent producer.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I like Danzby Swanson. Now you agree
Speaker 2: with you too, Hey, put them ote in the trade
Speaker 2: block and you'll get offered a fourth round pick in
Speaker 2: your first year player draft.
Speaker 1: You won't get anything. I've tried it. I've kept them
Speaker 1: all these years, and I'm like, okay, I get nobody
Speaker 1: wants to give me anything good for him, but all right,
Speaker 1: I'll keep them.
Speaker 2: And we're at the end of the year. Does your
Speaker 2: team usually stand It's pretty good?
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty much.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Like if you decide to wait, why not a dance
Speaker 1: me Swanson and then you know, and the reserve rounds,
Speaker 1: you go with a Connor Griffin, or you go with
Speaker 1: a JJ Weatherholt, maybe even a Kevin McGonagall and say, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go some as my bench slot wait for those
Speaker 1: guys that you know, maybe I'll find somebody better than
Speaker 1: dance Mey Swanson. But I waited, and I've got an
Speaker 1: upsolid guy sitting at short sup. What about a strategy
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: The problem with a strategy like that is you've got
Speaker 2: to be very cognizant of what's going on around you,
Speaker 2: because there could be three other teams that decided to
Speaker 2: go late okay on the middle infield, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, your plans for the twenty home runs and
Speaker 2: the fifteen to twenty stolen bases are being fought over
Speaker 2: by three other people. If I was going to go
Speaker 2: with a strategy, and if they are being fought over,
Speaker 2: that means two of you are going to get probably
Speaker 2: a speed guy or a high risk bounce back candidate. Okay.
Speaker 2: If I was going to look at Dansby, Swanson is
Speaker 2: my preferred option towards round he's going in what round ten?
Speaker 2: I would move him up around. Yeah, okay, just to
Speaker 2: ensure that I can make my plan work, because there's
Speaker 2: nothing worse than being than sitting in the tenth round.
Speaker 2: You've got a plan okay, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you're looking at plan B. Okay, and that plan B
Speaker 2: might not provide you with the overall results you're looking at. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, if I was looking at Swanson, I
Speaker 2: think he's a fine pick. I'd move him up around.
Speaker 2: I get them so that my plan flows smoothly.
Speaker 1: I think Swanson and Baschett are kind of the cutoff
Speaker 1: because things really change after that. Imping on a Lopez
Speaker 1: Xavier Edwards lose Cavalleira, then you got some kids after that.
Speaker 1: Tovar is interesting, but all of a sudden you get
Speaker 1: less complete players. Once you really decide to wait if
Speaker 1: if that's your strategy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the phrase falling off a cliff comes
Speaker 2: into play, like shortstop at the top. Okay, that top fifteen.
Speaker 2: I know there's a better top fifteen in the game. Okay,
Speaker 2: it is loaded with plenty of options, but then it does,
Speaker 2: it does fall off a cliff. You're looking at speed guys.
Speaker 2: You're looking at younger players players. You know, a guy
Speaker 2: like Mason Wynn. He could be a top fifteen shortstop
Speaker 2: next year if he's healthy and he produces to the
Speaker 2: level of twenty twenty four. Okay, Cools Montgomery. If he
Speaker 2: hits forty home runs, where is he going to be
Speaker 2: sitting next year?
Speaker 1: He also, he could also hit one ninety.
Speaker 2: Yes he could. Oh yeah. They All of these picks
Speaker 2: are not without their charms and their detriments. Okay. The
Speaker 2: reason that I have the three stolen basic guys back
Speaker 2: to back is because if I'm not going, if I'm
Speaker 2: not going with one of the top fifteen, it means
Speaker 2: I'm going later on stolen bases, and I'll be looking
Speaker 2: at those three guys to show up my stolen base category.
Speaker 2: That's why I moved them up ahead of the NNBC.
Speaker 2: It's just a strategy play for the most part.
Speaker 1: We've already spent a lot of time already the day
Speaker 1: talking Connor Griffin and JJ Weatherholt, so we won't spend
Speaker 1: time there. Jacob Wilson's coming in at twenty one, I mean,
Speaker 1: batting average guy, a little bit more power than I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to have, But I'm not totally
Speaker 1: buying that. Your thoughts as a middle infielder with Jacob Wilson.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're getting average. That's all that I'm banking on
Speaker 2: from Jacob Wilson. Ten ten. That's ten ten with a
Speaker 2: great betting average. I would like Jacob Wilson a lot
Speaker 2: more if he was hitting in the two hole, and
Speaker 2: hopefully the A's at some point in time figure that
Speaker 2: out and put him into the two hole, because I
Speaker 2: think that's where he belongs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just everybody knows. Jacob wilson average ex of velocity
Speaker 1: last year eighty four point six worse than the league
Speaker 1: eight point eight degree launch. That's a ground ball hitter.
Speaker 1: It's a guy. Yes, thirteen home runs could be a
Speaker 1: high watermark for him. I mean that's not a ton
Speaker 1: of power.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're counting on fourteen. I'll take the
Speaker 2: under yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's not a bad layer.
Speaker 2: You just have to know the limitations, okay, And would
Speaker 2: I take again how much? How much you want to
Speaker 2: pay for there's Luisa rise right there.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. And and look, Leo Leo DeVries, the
Speaker 1: guy that got from the Padres. I haven't looked where
Speaker 1: he is on this list. You've finished the season a
Speaker 1: double A there. There's even odds that we see him
Speaker 1: at some point next year. And that guy has a
Speaker 1: chance to be a superstar. And I don't think Jacob
Speaker 1: Wilson is going to block him. Jacob Wilson might be
Speaker 1: the better defender. He's a very good defender, but I
Speaker 1: that would be my concern also about Jacob Wilson long term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: a good solid fare point. I didn't put Devares on
Speaker 2: simply because I don't think we see him this year interesting,
Speaker 2: so I just left him, left him off the list.
Speaker 2: This is geared to current drafts and redrafts. It's not guaranteed.
Speaker 2: If it was a dynasty draft, oh yeah, he'd be
Speaker 2: on this list for sure.
Speaker 1: Let me just check. I don't wanna, don't want to
Speaker 1: lie here. So dev Ice had one hundred and three
Speaker 1: plate appearances in double A, so you could see him
Speaker 1: in the second half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, the second half is possible. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll agree.
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, let's let's get back to my list here,
Speaker 1: Tim's Tim's rankings. Uh, anything to say? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Oh. I was just gonna say real quickly about Connor Griffin.
Speaker 2: The reason that I've got him hired in the NFBC
Speaker 2: is that if I want this guy and I believe
Speaker 2: in him, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take him
Speaker 2: behind Tovar or Wilson or Montgomery. I'm gonna be aggressive
Speaker 2: and make a move and take him somewhere between fifteen
Speaker 2: and seventeen. I'm not saying I'm going to, but if
Speaker 2: you want him, I think that's what you have to do.
Speaker 2: So how can you rank him lower than that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: Xavier Bogert sitting at twenty five used to be a
Speaker 1: great just I mean, it's just you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: fifteen to fifteen kind of guy. It's interesting guy. If
Speaker 1: you get called out on a shortstop.
Speaker 2: M hm, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, he's he is what
Speaker 2: he is. He's going to give you ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: home runs, fifteen to twenty stolen base at two sixty
Speaker 2: batting average. It's okay for a late option at middle infield.
Speaker 2: It's not again, it's not going to hurt you. But
Speaker 2: dreaming of the days in Boston, No, that's that dream
Speaker 2: is coming gone.
Speaker 1: And you've also got Kevin McGonagall. And we talked about
Speaker 1: the other two big kids. Obviously, Kevin McGonagall can flat
Speaker 1: out hit, and it looks like he has moved ahead
Speaker 1: from and I mentioned this when we talked about the Tigers.
Speaker 1: He's moved ahead on the on the depth chart from
Speaker 1: getting up quicker than Max Clark. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: he's the better prospect, but there's a lot of indications
Speaker 1: that we see a lot of Kevin McGonagall here in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: You know what amazes me is that when I look
Speaker 2: at his numbers at every stop along the way in
Speaker 2: the minors, he's walked more than he's struck out. Like
Speaker 2: we're not talking one or two, we're talking every single destination.
Speaker 2: He has walked more than he's struck out. And last
Speaker 2: year there was a big spike in the power and
Speaker 2: there's reason I think to be very, very excited about
Speaker 2: Kevin mcgonagd's future in Detroit. Zach McKinstry will not hold
Speaker 2: him back or have your by it when Hey, when
Speaker 2: he's ready to get the call. Uh yeah, he's not
Speaker 2: up for a two week stint. He's up for a career.
Speaker 1: My privilege of saying him in double A and it's
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. I mean, this guy can disgreat
Speaker 1: back control. I think there's gonna be power. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty home run pop. But he's he's Once
Speaker 1: he gets a hold of something, he can hit it out.
Speaker 1: He's strong enough to hit it. But he's not looking
Speaker 1: to yank things. He's looking to drive the ball and
Speaker 1: to make contact. It's just the player he is, and
Speaker 1: he just doesn't He just doesn't expand the strikes and
Speaker 1: he doesn't swing at balls. And I think a player
Speaker 1: like that is instantly going to not nantiy. He should
Speaker 1: have a high chance of having some early success in
Speaker 1: the major leagues from the get go.
Speaker 2: Just because of his skill set.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it doesn't mean he will because lots of
Speaker 1: people struggle. But you know, if you take a look
Speaker 1: at all these young kids that come up, I would
Speaker 1: be shocked if he gets sent down after a month
Speaker 1: because he didn't hit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would be the last thing I would
Speaker 2: expect as well. Rich. Yeah, yeah, he's got I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a great player.
Speaker 1: And and and if you if you believe that Javier
Speaker 1: Baias is going to be reincarnated to what is the
Speaker 1: four weeks he really good weeks he had last year,
Speaker 1: then okay, then he gets left down. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I think Havier bias done. And I think it's Kevin mcconough.
Speaker 1: It's you're just waiting for the time to get up,
Speaker 1: called up, which will be May first, in my opinion, So.
Speaker 2: I like that call. I've got to have your bias
Speaker 2: down forty eight, which is five spots worse than Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's a very spot for him.
Speaker 1: He had a bounce back to me and what was
Speaker 1: it May And it looked looked like, wow, let's have
Speaker 1: your bias doing and then he just fell off again.
Speaker 1: So he just became happy.
Speaker 2: Mid Yeah, he was on waiver wires middle of June.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me, let's take another break it back and
Speaker 1: start asking you the tough questions and ask for your
Speaker 1: sleepers and all that kind of good stuff. So it's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. It back. Looks like the Buffalo
Speaker 1: phil Jaguars. I was hoping I was rooting for the Jaguars. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess rooting for the Buffalo is toll because I
Speaker 1: want to see the Jacksonville Jaguars, one of the smallest
Speaker 1: cities in America that has a football team against another
Speaker 1: small city. I was looking for tiny city versus tiny city.
Speaker 1: But Jaguars got beat.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, I would have been rooting for the
Speaker 2: Bills simply because when I was young and a kid,
Speaker 2: with our American TV feed was Buffalo. Okay, so they
Speaker 2: provided me with all the cartoons. So I still have
Speaker 2: a loyalty to Buffalo for that rich.
Speaker 1: I did not know that about. I thought I knew everything.
Speaker 1: I did not know. You get the Buffalo feed from I.
Speaker 1: I went to Buffalo twice in my life.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: One time, I don't know how I got out, but
Speaker 1: there was a blizzard coming and you could see it
Speaker 1: coming and you're in the in the airport going I
Speaker 1: got to get out of here. I gotta get and
Speaker 1: somehow we took off, and the other time it was
Speaker 1: in the summer, and it was absolutely beautiful, absolutely beautiful
Speaker 1: in Buffalo in the summertime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get the lake weather effect when it comes
Speaker 2: to winter storms and it's nothing for them to get
Speaker 2: six feet snow dumped on them overnight. It's it's brutal.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a place ever. Buffalo is in a
Speaker 2: league of their own when it comes to bad winter weather.
Speaker 2: It's it's insane, it really is.
Speaker 1: If I recall that their football stadiums in downtown Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and downtown Buffalo is pretty much the stadium in a
Speaker 1: couple of other buildings and there's there's not much there.
Speaker 1: It is. It's impressive in terms of how dominant that
Speaker 1: stadium is downtown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. And occasionally the snowballs do
Speaker 2: rain from the from the crowd sections. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: I said, it's when they get bad weather, it's stay
Speaker 2: at home, don't know, don't even consider going anywhere. You're
Speaker 2: lucky you got out on that flight, or you still
Speaker 2: might be there, still.
Speaker 1: Might be there. Yeah, okay, all right, Timmy, So why
Speaker 1: don't you bounce around here at the bottom so many
Speaker 1: four or five players you're interested in, maybe some sleepers.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, at number thirty Josh Smith. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: it looks like he's got a He's been a super
Speaker 2: stub in the for the for the Rangers for a
Speaker 2: couple of years. But if you're looking for a guy
Speaker 2: to stash on your bench, if he happens to fall
Speaker 2: into the reserve rounds, he's first base, shortstop, third, third base, second,
Speaker 2: He's got it all, okay, as far as eligibility, and
Speaker 2: there's some power and speed. So if I'm looking for
Speaker 2: injury protection, Josh Josh Smith has my has my attention.
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen in Philadelphia, but
Speaker 2: I'm watching Aiden Miller very very closely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be he might be blocked. I think
Speaker 1: that's can he play again? He hasn't played the outfield yet.
Speaker 1: I still think he could, but they haven't put him
Speaker 1: out there yet.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I'm definitely going to be watching.
Speaker 2: Rich brooks Lee I won't touch with a ten football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was curious. I've been eyeing him in our
Speaker 1: in this draft and whole league. Man, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't get up the courage to even put him in
Speaker 1: my queue. I just everything I look at him, it's just.
Speaker 2: Eh, well, what is brooks Lee going to do? Okay?
Speaker 2: He doesn't run? Okay, so that leaves your power. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's gonna hit fifteen home runs, maybe drive in sixty.
Speaker 2: I just don't. There's nothing there that really excites me.
Speaker 2: And if you go and you take a look at
Speaker 2: the numbers over his you know, I think he's a
Speaker 2: fifteen home run, fifty RBI, low batting average type hitter,
Speaker 2: and that I just don't. It just doesn't do anything
Speaker 2: for me, nothing at all.
Speaker 1: Average ex velocity is eighty eight miles on an eighty
Speaker 1: eight point six thirteen degree launch angle. That's a fifteen
Speaker 1: home run guys. And with Thames right, there's no speed,
Speaker 1: and I thought he'd hit, but there's decent strikeout rates there,
Speaker 1: but he never walks. The approach is really aggressive for
Speaker 1: some reason, a lot more chasing his approach than I
Speaker 1: thought there'd be. He's just not as good of a
Speaker 1: player as I thought he was going to become, particularly
Speaker 1: a switch hitter. So I'm kind of with tim, and
Speaker 1: there's just nothing that I don't see any upside there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple, couple of young kids. I'll be watching
Speaker 2: close there, Cooper Pratt and Sebastian Walcott. The upside is
Speaker 2: such that I think they deserve to be washed watched,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm willing to bet that at some point
Speaker 2: in time both those players will make a waiverwear article
Speaker 2: of mine this season. I do.
Speaker 1: I agree with you for some reason this season, I'm
Speaker 1: very intrigued by Carson Williams. He's totally forgotten about this guy,
Speaker 1: speed and powery, can't hit, but he's a great defender.
Speaker 1: I think the Rays give him a long look this season.
Speaker 1: And maybe because he hits the ball hard, maybe has
Speaker 1: a three forty Babbitt hits two sixty and oh overplays
Speaker 1: where he's going. I find him intriguing this year.
Speaker 2: I agree totally.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, And and I think it's criminal that
Speaker 1: you've got Colt Emerson behind how your bias. I'll just
Speaker 1: look at that as a as a honest mistake. You
Speaker 1: you you've fumbled something there. But I think Colt Emerson,
Speaker 1: I think it's a guy that we could see up
Speaker 1: at some point this season.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's yeah, it's no. Yeah, I'm just not
Speaker 2: I'm just not overly enamored with gold Emerson. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: why yeah, I why uh? I took a look at
Speaker 2: his numbers and I just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I write all these words. You don't read my book.
Speaker 1: All you do is look at minor league stats, and
Speaker 1: that's all stuff. Well, and but if you want to
Speaker 1: look sixteen humb runs, fourteen stolen bases last year, seventeen
Speaker 1: percent strikeout rate, twelve percent walk great to eighty five
Speaker 1: batting average, three D three on base percentage. What do
Speaker 1: you want, McCloud.
Speaker 2: I want JP Crawford to not be on the roster.
Speaker 1: Well, there's cold Cold Emerson finished last week and Triple
Speaker 1: A will start the season At Triple A. I think
Speaker 1: he is the guy of the future, can play shortstop,
Speaker 1: second base, so there's lots of spots, particularly if you
Speaker 1: don't believe and Cole Young Cole youngs are playing third.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, just I think Cold Emerson's the better
Speaker 1: version of that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not huge on either one, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, Wow, No, I'm just not. I
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have visions of Jared Kellnick dance
Speaker 2: in my head. I'm probably way off base. But I
Speaker 2: just I have trouble with both those players.
Speaker 1: I really do well. Randy Roseren has played well there.
Speaker 1: Kyl Riley has been a superstar there. Julio Rodriguez has
Speaker 1: been a superstar there. Snayler was good last. So it's
Speaker 1: like it, there are players that play well in Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think I think Colt Emerson has a chance to
Speaker 1: be that guy. I think you're wrong, mister McLeod.
Speaker 2: I could very well be. But I look at the
Speaker 2: other side of the coin, Dominic Ken Zone, Victor Roubles,
Speaker 2: Ben Williamson. I I just to me, it's the stars
Speaker 2: in scrubs mentality right now in Seattle and stars.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think Emerson could be one of those stars. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me a guy, give me a guy in the
Speaker 1: top ten. I know this is hard, and to me
Speaker 1: it's this is an easy one. But you say, all
Speaker 1: these guys are really good, there's an easy guy that
Speaker 1: should not be in the top ten, who's not going
Speaker 1: to be in the top ten this time next year,
Speaker 1: and who replaces him? Both easy answers both Mookie wow, wow,
Speaker 1: yeah wow. The answer would that's right. But Mookie Betts
Speaker 1: it's a bull. But he gets replaced by there's only
Speaker 1: one answer here.
Speaker 2: Tom uh Well, yeah, Griffin exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be the case.
Speaker 2: That's the hope, that's exactly the hope. Or you could
Speaker 2: throw JJ Weatherholt in there as well.
Speaker 1: I think he's I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 1: shortstop eligible. That's that's just it.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless when it may. I mean Kevin mcdonagall, I
Speaker 1: mean there's a chance, but how much he hits that
Speaker 1: he could jump up to be a top twelve guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the fantasy tools are going to
Speaker 1: be enough there that he's going to blow you away.
Speaker 1: But Connor Griffin could be a monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only reason that to say the top ten
Speaker 2: is loaded. Okay, it's got to be, you know, like
Speaker 2: Trevor's story is is an obvious back Okay, if he
Speaker 2: doesn't do it, if he did what he did in
Speaker 2: the first three years in Boston, Yeah, he's not going
Speaker 2: to be top twenty five. But today we have to assume,
Speaker 2: at least I am, that he will. Okay, So there's
Speaker 2: not much movement in the top fifteen, is there really?
Speaker 2: When you take a look at it, even going down
Speaker 2: to the top twenty. There's not much movement.
Speaker 1: I think Trevor's story won't be in this list because
Speaker 1: he's hurt. We saw what a healthy Trevor story can do.
Speaker 1: Now history would say he's going to get hurt, so right,
Speaker 1: but the skills look like they're still there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Byron Buxton. Okay, Yeah, I didn't have
Speaker 2: Mind any teams last year, but I also didn't have
Speaker 2: any him on any teams for the six years before that. Right,
Speaker 2: I'll give up my I'll give up breaking right, so
Speaker 2: on a good Byron bucks in year, so I don't
Speaker 2: have to pull with little hair I have left out
Speaker 2: in the in the five before that, right.
Speaker 1: So give me Besides beside Condi Griffin, give me two
Speaker 1: other guys that you just feel like are going to
Speaker 1: jump way up on this list next season.
Speaker 2: Way up on this list next year. Ezekiel Oltova, I
Speaker 2: still believe and Mason Win I still believe.
Speaker 1: I still believe in Anthony Volpi. I still believe in
Speaker 1: I think we see a recovery there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm taking the opposite. I'm yeah, You're down,
Speaker 2: I'm down, Yeah I am. I think a combination of
Speaker 2: the defense and the hit tool. I think it's a problem.
Speaker 1: I will agree he should not be I never thought
Speaker 1: he'd be at shortstop. But and maybe that's his undoing
Speaker 1: in in New York. He's got to play shortstop because
Speaker 1: he's They've got other players better than him at the
Speaker 1: other spots. But data still says he's a good player.
Speaker 1: So I'm still going on that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, then again, yeah, Anthony Will he could
Speaker 2: be a top fifteen player a short stop, or he
Speaker 2: could be off this list somewhere down around thirty five
Speaker 2: to forty. Yeah, wide range of votes, wide range of
Speaker 2: vote oak clumbs. You want a boring player, or Anie Clement,
Speaker 2: there's a nice boring player for it.
Speaker 1: It's definitely I would agree with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eligible all over the place. But if you want
Speaker 2: a guy to cover off for injuries, you could do
Speaker 2: much worse. He's he's sort of in the Josh Smith
Speaker 2: sort of range of players for me, and he being
Speaker 2: drafted in and about the same area. Actually probably a
Speaker 2: little overdrafted right now.
Speaker 1: The one player that could shock us all on this
Speaker 1: on this list, and depending on how things shake out,
Speaker 1: is Aiden Miller. It's a really exciting player. If Trey
Speaker 1: Turner gets hurt in May? God, got it? Did that
Speaker 1: he gets hurt in May? There's always a possibility, and
Speaker 1: they decide to bring him up. You could see how
Speaker 1: good this kid really is going to be.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and there's no guarantees at Crawford or you know,
Speaker 2: the outfielders. Hey, if we see if we see Aiden
Speaker 2: Miller playing in the first week of the minor league season,
Speaker 2: if we see him playing in the outfield, yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: that changes things rather drastically.
Speaker 1: Does he buckle up? Yeah? I mean yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: and to me that that's where the opportunity in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is for him. But I again, I get all these
Speaker 1: players confused. I think he has never played the outfield.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's played anything but shortstop.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, again, definitely something for our listeners to be
Speaker 2: tracking as we as we head into the first couple
Speaker 2: of weeks of the season and spring training for that matter. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they got a Dolos Garcia now on
Speaker 1: the outfield, and justin Crawford really good defender. So he's
Speaker 1: an interesting guy city in center field. I know you
Speaker 1: like him a lot. I'm still on the Gabriel Rincones
Speaker 1: uh Band Wacos nobody's thinking about him. But uh, I
Speaker 1: just think that Aiden Miller's is a good player. Maybe
Speaker 1: Alec Boum is the is the odd man out Aiden
Speaker 1: Miller gets a shot at third base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's entirely it's entirely possible. When you when you
Speaker 2: look at when you look at Philly, Okay, I Alec
Speaker 2: Bohm's starting to cost him some serious cash. Okay, and
Speaker 2: other than the one year, have we seen serious numbers
Speaker 2: from Alec Bohm? I I don't think we. I don't
Speaker 2: think we have a Dollus Garcia definitely, I you know,
Speaker 2: we get to the outfield, I think bounce back potentials
Speaker 2: there with Garcia. I'm still interested in him. But if
Speaker 2: you start looking at you know, you're you start looking
Speaker 2: from you know, you got Turner, Swarburn, Harper. After that
Speaker 2: you get Boom, you got Marsh, Garcia, Prasin starts. Okay,
Speaker 2: you got no catcher, and you got Justin Crawford penciled
Speaker 2: into the oatfield. There's help, there's some question marks, and
Speaker 2: to address some of those needs, we might see some
Speaker 2: players moving around a little bit, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Brandon Marsh is interesting. Guy's a good
Speaker 1: outfielder of defensive outfielder, but he has never kind of
Speaker 1: done what all the data says he should, and at
Speaker 1: some point it's just not going to happen. And I'm
Speaker 1: surprised he's still an option there. But more than getting
Speaker 1: back to Davean Miller, I'm shocked that he's that he's
Speaker 1: not played anywhere else but shortstop. It just makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me. And maybe we finally see him start
Speaker 1: to move around to some other positions because he's not
Speaker 1: going to replace Trey Turner. I mean, Trey Turner is
Speaker 1: a superstar. He's not going to replace Tray Turner. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: And he signed to a lifetime contract.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, yeah, it's what what are they doing? Tim? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the minor league, stuck
Speaker 1: behind the best players in the major league. What are
Speaker 1: you doing? Earth to Philly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's something missing in that equation. Yeah, definitely is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't get well, I don't get a lot of things.
Speaker 1: End me, take a final break, get back, and let's
Speaker 1: wrap this puppy up.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 3: Hour for minute podcasts.
Speaker 2: Gotta be happy, I would hope. So, Yeah, as long
Speaker 2: as they're not rooting for Anthony will Be and Isaiah
Speaker 2: kiner Fall. Things should be good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I think we gave the listeners a
Speaker 1: lot to think about. If you disagree on some some
Speaker 1: positions what always think as healthy, which is good? It so,
Speaker 1: but we h we agreed on some things as well. Timmy,
Speaker 1: any final comments on shortstop before we wrap it up. H.
Speaker 2: I think my thoughts are really well known. I think
Speaker 2: you take what the position gives you at the at
Speaker 2: the top end, and if you decide to play that
Speaker 2: middle game, just be very cognizant of what can happen
Speaker 2: and how quickly it can happen if you're playing the
Speaker 2: middle game. I know one of my targets, I'm three
Speaker 2: spots ahead of the NFBC. If I'm playing that middle game,
Speaker 2: Connor Griffin or JJ Weatherhold has to enter into the equation.
Speaker 2: At least for me, I'm gonna go if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go risk, I'm I'm not going halfway. I'm going all
Speaker 2: the way on it, and I don't think that's the
Speaker 2: way I'll be playing it.
Speaker 1: Connor Griffin would definitely be all the way in on
Speaker 1: the risk given the team, given how little he's played
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, but it's it's a to a
Speaker 1: risk reward because he could be a monster. That's that's
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so that.
Speaker 2: The numbers last year they were just sick the.
Speaker 1: Best player in the minor league.
Speaker 2: Yeahs at every level. Yeah, okay, that'll work.
Speaker 1: The one thing that's a little concerning, though, is he's
Speaker 1: never hit a speed bump. Never, and that rarely, rarely happens.
Speaker 1: He hit a speed bump somewhere, and.
Speaker 2: It could even Mike dro did one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so, I mean just and it given
Speaker 1: how quickly he's gone, that means that speed bump is
Speaker 1: could be the first month of the season and he's
Speaker 1: in the big leagues and hopefully Pittsburgh has got enough
Speaker 1: sense to just help him let him play through it. So.
Speaker 1: Uh so we'll see good stuff, Tommy. So what's on
Speaker 1: tap for this week? Do you have any drafts coming up?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, I've got I got nothing, no drafts coming up.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sit back. I think I've got four
Speaker 2: days off in a row. Considering I've worked twelve with
Speaker 2: the past thirteen days, I'm going to enjoy those four
Speaker 2: days and plug away at third base and get it
Speaker 2: ready to roll for next weekend, maybe even early, which
Speaker 2: would be shocking by my standards, but no other than
Speaker 2: third base, so.
Speaker 1: Early would be would be two fifteen forty five minutes
Speaker 1: for our show as opposed to two thirty. Is that
Speaker 1: what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I was looking. I was looking more. I'm going to
Speaker 2: live on the edge and make a full protection for
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: I had everything. That's funny. I looked at a little
Speaker 1: bit behind the scenes that everything set up. As soon
Speaker 1: as Tim gave me the stuff. It was literally just
Speaker 1: copy and paste and throw it in there, and all
Speaker 1: the calculations worked on a spreadsheet. I was ready to
Speaker 1: go ten minutes after Tim gave it to me. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll get going a little bit early. Here Tim was lollygagging,
Speaker 1: drinking coffee, taking a shower, probably to good nap.
Speaker 2: When I was when you called, I was in the shower.
Speaker 2: It's a good thing. Good thing. I didn't have my
Speaker 2: phone plugged.
Speaker 1: Were in the shower.
Speaker 2: I was in the shower. I retarted the shower to
Speaker 2: grab my phone for you. Rich Okay, I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's t m I Timmy, I do not want
Speaker 1: to know you were texting me while make it. I don't.
Speaker 2: The scarrs.
Speaker 1: Is bad man. You don't need that, all right, Timmy,
Speaker 1: we'll see you next week. We also got to do
Speaker 1: we also got to do a Prospect podcast, so we
Speaker 1: are we gotta we gotta squeeze that in. Might have
Speaker 1: to change the we have to actually uh getting this
Speaker 1: tough to me early. You might have to move it
Speaker 1: up an hour early next week. I have to go
Speaker 1: to a wedding, shower, maybe a wedding. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a shower, wedding, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: One of my wife's book club friends, I think she's
Speaker 1: seventy five years old, is getting married, Timmy. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Seventy five years old getting married. I'm all in, so
Speaker 1: I gotta go. So I met her. She seems like
Speaker 1: a lovely person, so so definitely want to catch that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, great happiness can come at any age, my friend,
Speaker 2: be safe, you will and we'll catch a later in
Speaker 2: the week.