Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome to the six hundred and eighty
sixth episode of The Geek for his podcast. I am
the Sign of the Beast. Tressed now, oh, the sign
of the Best fuck, sign of the Best, Sign of
the Beast late now of course, why why.
Speaker 2: I thin guess what you're going for?
Speaker 3: No Sign the Beast is true too, because I am
the iodine demon Kirks.
Speaker 2: My name is Dylan Muss.
Speaker 4: I am the Moon taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen. He sounded like the too long guy,
too long the moon, like he would be saying that,
But yes, we are here somehow in a twenty eight
weeks later from the last one. We uh, we haven't
even done Golden Geeks yet. It's I mean, we very
much loved that first one, so we haven't got talked
about it in that sense when were doing the first one.
We're already here reviewing the second one, aka twenty eight
years later the Bone Temple. As you usual, we're gonna
do what we do, but in case you are new,
we'll give you about ten to fifteen minutes. Nonspoils thoughts
are recommendations that will give a quick break and then
we'll get right in a spoiler. So if you've seen it,
you're safe to buckle up. If you haven't stopped the car,
come back later, take a little p outside, then sit down.
Did you guys get the trailer? You guys get the
passenger trailer tonight?
Speaker 4: Oh man?
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys should watch it one point. No, maybe
wait till next news or on Tuesday and do the
town hall. Bring it up, Taylor, that trailer got tailor good?
Speaker 4: Set me up?
Speaker 3: Oh like scary?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, there's a clear obvious jump chair that
jump scared the trailer is gonna do and it does it.
And Taylor was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh no, I didn't. I didn't read it. I
didn't say I thought the whole first part of the
trailer it felt like like a short indie film and
I was like, I'm eating this up. This is hilarious,
Like it was.
Speaker 3: I got a trailer for The bread Winner, which I'd
never seen before, and it literally felt like a fake movie.
It's if you haven't seen the trailer, watch it. It
is such a strange time. It feels like it's set
up to be like an R rated comedy, but then
it sets. Then it keeps going and it seems like
it's gonna be like a wholesome, heartwarming Like it's just
it's just the weirdest trailer I think I've seen in
recent memory, Like I don't know what they're going for.
Speaker 2: At one point.
Speaker 3: I barey laughed at the beginning, and then and then
it kept going, and I'm like, what the fuck am
I watching right now? Like this is such a strange trailer.
So I was waiting for some big bomb to drop on,
like what the reveal is? I don't know, Alien's taken over. No,
it's just a very weird looking movie. Uh, lead never
heard of them before. But there's a lot of like
people that I've recognized the supporting stand up of the
I think, oh, right, there you go.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go if you like that little tease.
On Tuesday, we will be doing a GV episode which
we'll cover a little bit of news, but it will
most be the town Hall. So if you see a
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Sign off on that. Do that. We'll be talking about
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Speaker 3: Sweet you ready, Kirkle, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: So the feeds are juicing. The feeds are, even though
it's January, is juicing, just like Patreon. But we'll talk
about how much juice Patron has a little bit later.
First we're gonna talk about twenty years later the Bone Temple.
I'm gonna start with the man who saw it first
earlier this afternoon, mister muss.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I didn't have to start first. I'm
still still gathering my thoughts, still collecting my thoughts here,
but overall, man I really did not vibe with this
movie much at all. Rarely am I in the theater
and I'm like, I wish I was not here, And
if it weren't for the review, I might have walked out.
I was so bored for like ninety percent of this movie.
Thankfully there's some spice at the end, but man, I
just nothing was latching onto me here. You know, there's
a couple couple different storylines that we're following in here.
One of them I do enjoy, except for like some
of the Indian stuff with it. But for the most
part I was kind of roped in for that one.
But you know, the primary squad that we're with just
like didn't do it for me. I think the biggest
hit for me on this movie is like twenty eight
Days and twenty eight years Later, both like really stylish
movies in like very different ways. Twenty eight weeks later
not as much style, a little more generic in that way.
But this is like, by far the least stylish of
all the movies. There really isn't anything here that feels
like it has like that creative touch put on it.
And I don't want to throw shade at the director.
I feel bad because she did the Marvels too right,
and I think it's just like it's a rough back
to back. I like the Marvels enough, you know, it's
not my favorite marvel movie by any means, but I
think it's like rough to pick up on these series
from other people and to have to do something with it.
But I I don't know what the timeline was on this.
I don't like, did they film this back to back
with twenty eight years or was there some thing pretty close?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think with the third one they have
done that, but I think with these two was kind
of a package deal. I think that's why Danny Boyle
didn't come back, because it would have been kind.
Speaker 2: Of to do that and post and yeah, I mean
because to me it felt like this was maybe rushed
because it just like didn't have that extra level of
care and love put into it. Like there's one cool,
weird like iPhone shot, but then everything else like just
totally lacking that style that I really like about Days
and Years. So kind of disappointed in that way. I mean,
our main guy from the last freaking movie has like
twenty eight words in this whole movie, Like, what is
he even doing in here? It doesn't make any sense,
so I and then you know, you know, ending stuff
like there's not a lot of things that get wrapped up,
I suppose, so there's a little bit I like in here.
But for the most part, I was really bored by this.
You know, didn't have any really any fund. There's one
really fun scene and then everything else is just like
extremely lukewarm or mid. So yeah, I'm curious to see
where I'm at on this because I've only seen two
impression so far from a couple of our patrons over
on Letterbox there, and you know, it's very positive. So
I don't know if I'm the outlier here. But yeah,
this movie did very little for me unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Okay, has it sold you out of the third one? Now?
Speaker 2: Who's directing it?
Speaker 1: I think Danny Boyle is supposed to be directing it.
I'm in Okay, there you go, Dan Boyle, we'll return.
So Kirkham Pats are you're returning twenty years later? What
was your experience?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very fresh off the off the hop here in
the forest. I didn't rewatch twenty years later, but I
did a nice little YouTube recap. You know shows with
the people that make those videos. It was well informative
and felt prepared going into it. And I will say,
this really wasn't what I was expecting out of this movie.
I think there's a lot of weird stuff that goes
on in here. It's kind of a weird franchise as
a whole, but like in this movie in particular, even
just comparing it to last movie, it's got some weird stuff.
You know, in that first in that first Entry or
I guess third Entry, but of the new trilogy, there's
just some very weird stuff in here. And honestly, I
was fucking vibing with it. I totally understand where you
come from. Deal. I think there is a section maybe
at the end of the first act I can't quite
remember now in my head, maybe started the second I
was I was honestly doing that. I was like, how
long is this movie? Like I actually was having those moments.
But then luckily the ball got rolling and shot such
a ray fines Man like, if he doesn't got an oscar,
you should have an oscar for this performance. He's given
it all. I feel like there's some like historical war
movie that he was that he was in and that maybe.
Speaker 1: The constant gardner. I feel like he got it for No,
he's only been nominated for three never never won. So
I used to think Dafoe was the greatest actor that
Oscar I still hold that, but Ray Funds is right
up there. You know.
Speaker 3: He's doing so much in this movie, and I like,
I just loved it. I loved all the scenes with him.
I think he is like the heart and soul of
this I'm gonna say of like the New franchise, Like
that first movie he was a hit and no pee pick,
but in this one he's like very much the lead. Yeah, Spike.
That really doesn't have a lot of words compared to
that first title. It is a very interesting just shift
from that first movie. But I at the end of
the day, like I did enjoy my time with it.
I'm excited to break it down with you guys, because Yeah,
there's some wild stuff in here. And I think, like
the one critique I can say, like non spoilery is
like too much Jimmy for me in this movie in particular,
like that there's a yeah, I don't want to say,
but uh, it's just too much Jimmy as a whole
I think I was just done with like them at
the end of that first movie, which is like right
at the end of the movie, you just get introduced
these like crazy wackos, and I'm like, I don't know,
I'm not liking the Jimmy Crystal characters. But uh and
there's there's there's more of them in this one. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm gonna save it there because I I don't want
to reveal too much about the Jimmy's there. But uh yeah,
my Alpha Samson's looking as good as ever in this one.
Speaker 1: I was worried probably for the first fifteen minutes of
the movie. They were covering them up a laws like,
oh did they like get.
Speaker 3: At one point?
Speaker 4: You know the spoilers, but there were shrinkings. I was
gonna say, I feel like, I don't I have to
watch the first thing, right, It's like that's stuff. This
one definitely, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Man, There's one scene He's sitting down next to a
certain character and I'm like, that member is bigger than
that guy's in time. That's true, like it is huge.
Speaker 1: Depends whether it was probably some coold nights this shoot.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know, but it was rainy at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just worried because I felt the
fifth first fifteen that there's a lot of bushes covering
a lot of shots and oh they probably like saw
people talking on the first one. I'm like, oh, that's
too much cock. But luckily they came.
Speaker 2: Right back to get a zoom the bush all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down down for the next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think like the crescendo of this movie, UH really
delivered for me. I was I was juicing. So there
you go. That's my overall thoughts right.
Speaker 1: Now, Taylor, how's your bush doing?
Speaker 4: Uh? My bush is just thick ready to go. This
This movie was great. I was eating up everything from
this movie. I really really loved it. Uh it's already
like definitely way better than the first one for me.
I just then the last one. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm
not gonna lie. When I watched the trailers, I like you, Kirkle,
I kind of thought we were gonna be getting something
completely different, and so the trailers didn't have me over
the moon. I thought like, ah, you know, I think
I'm probably gonna just like in that first one more
than this one. Based on those trailers. But then once
we started getting in here, from the Jimmy's to just
the stuff with with with Rafe and then everything else
in between thrown in there, I just thought, Okay, this
is really this is this is my kind of jam.
I like it, and I like how the first one
did such a good job at kind of setting up
and reminding us this is the universe, you know, outside forces,
inside forces, this is that, And then here you just
have just not a spoiler, but a simple story that
just kind of bridges certain things and carries on certain
things and expands on some things. And one of the
things I love very much I'm excited to break down
in the spoiler's part is just I won't say it
because that's a spoiler, but it expands on one part
of just the big, the you know thing in the room,
and I just I can't wait to just see if
that's going to be picked up on in part three
or what they're gonna do. But I just I like
how things kind of tied in and connected and just
how I felt like the cast just had fun with this,
Like I was on the rocky Road to Dublin here
with Jimmy. It was just a damn good time. But yeah,
I'm excited to give this a rewatch, and it just
it really caught me off guard. And there's lots of
stuff that I really really liked, and yeah, it's all
all I'll say.
Speaker 1: I'll there for the third one.
Speaker 4: I'm there for the third one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think we got like a good bronder going up here,
because I feel like I am slightly under tailor. I
would no way say this as good as the first one.
I think with the first one. I did rewatch that
about a week and a half ago because she's a fan.
She also really enjoyed it. It stayed true for a
first or a second watch because there were a few things,
especially it's like the last ending with Ray Fines and
that kind of story. It's like, okay, how does this
play on? A second time? It all played well, So
I was curious and I honestly did not know. Like
when Kirklin tayay, you felt like it was something different.
I didn't know, just because like with all these three
twenties or whatever twenty eight franchise, it's always something different
and it's always something weird. So I had no idea
what we're gonna do what was gonna happen, Like at
the end of the first one, when those Jimmies just
popped up, I would never guess, just like all those
banded people are gonna be the mcu cliffhanger here. You know,
I could have guessed some of the things with this one.
But even then, there's certain things that are we gonna
see this character, We're gonna see this aspect. Some we do,
some we don't. So it always keep me on my
toes and I'm very excited. We won't talk about in full,
like to talk about potential for this third one because
I have a few questions, but yeah, I think for
me it is a couple notches down but still great.
I love this world. I love the characters. I love
the most. I could understand why Kirkland saying if you're
not into the Jimmy's stuff, why he might be over it.
I fucking love it. I am fully between sinners of this.
Jack O'Connell in March un Tress told you I'm doing
the March Madness Best Actors currently he's one of the
thirty two. I'm telling you I'm put him on there.
The patrons are going to decide he's won the thirty
two because this guy he is so good and between
sinners and then this the versatility of playing villains but
being completely different. I think ray Fine's it. Honestly, ray Finds,
i'd say, is the star of this, but I feel
like it's a one A one B with him and
Jack O'Connell. And yeah, the ray Fine story is great.
How things come together are great, and I yeah, I
think I have some questions. I think most of the
negative stuff is around Spike. Nothing about the performance. I
think it's just a few choices and character things, and
I think we needed a little bit more on some decisions.
I just I didn't feel fully we're well rounded. And
I do agree with Dylan that I don't know if
I can put against twenty eight weeks later. I'd have
to watch that again. I remember just kind of being
uninspired with that one. But I'd say, as far as
compare to the last one, the the first one just
had very The last one. The first one, twenty eight
years later just had I'm just gonna call it that
and call this bone temple, just to keep it straight here.
Twenty years later had some very cool, very experimental shots.
I just remember the first time we met all the
effect again, it was like this red filter and you
saw their eyes. It was very scary and creepy. Or
what I loved was those iPhone shots because we talked
about that before when we saw the cameras, like what's
gonna happen, and then when they did it, it was like, Wow,
that's impressive. I was kind of surprised there. I guess
it's my sports if you enjoyed that none of those
type of shots or in this movie that something happens
at free frames like and shows you like fifteen ten
different angles. I was like, I was surprised because I
thought this movie was still shot on a iPhone fifteen
Promax with like a.
Speaker 2: Ten one of those shots.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there would I guess you'd tell
me in spoilers, but I just the reason I just
number one, the reason I just don't think it was
was because in the last movie they wouldn't pop off
with it, but it felt like every twenty five minutes
you'd get one of those. And it definitely, i'd say,
from a technical side, did not feel as strong, but
there's great characters and at this point as long as
Al's Garland is writing them, and I like need to
Costa Marvels was fine, but I really liked Candy Man
and I haven't seen her newest film Head. I gotta
still check it out, but I generally like her work.
As long as Alice Garland's writing these, they would never
do this, but if they said, hey, we're making ten
of these, I'd be completely fine. Like there is aspects
of this, and maybe that's part of the negative. With
the Spike characters, this could just be an anthology in
the world, but I like that. I like what Taya said.
We are kind of getting some updates to the main
connuity and the main virus, which are interesting. And yeah,
I get the Jimmy stuff, but I really enjoyed the
Jimmy stuff, so yeah, I was. I was pretty much
all here for it. So maybe not the heights of
the first one, but still great. I'm still very happy
and I'm just again ready ready, just like last year,
Second Ascended. If there was a theater beside me playing
twenty years later, Pat Part three, I'd be walking right in.
I'd be ready to go. I'd begin a bag of
corn is like, Hey, let's see what's happening next. I
so far just love these movies where the original two
I think are okay, and I guess we should specify two.
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Speaker 2: I'll jump in. I want to hear you guys, tell
me what you love about Jimmy the main main head
haunch o Jimmy, because for me, this is a character
that really the only emotion that came away with was
just like cringe, not like the good Nathan Fielder cringe,
but just like cringing the stuff that's going on. But like,
is he funny? Is he charismatic, intimidating?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is it that you like about this character?
Speaker 1: We'll tell you say he remind you a lot about
you yourself, right, so you can start.
Speaker 4: I could I could really connect with him on a
side level. No, don't say that.
Speaker 3: I found out. So Jimmy Crystal is supposed to be
based off of Jimmy Saville. The way, I had no
idea who that was. Apparently it's like terrible sexual predator
or something from anything.
Speaker 1: I've given you this information a few times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I got goldfish brain, so you might
have to remind me again in the next movie. But
still found that out my little YouTube breakdown shouts out
to that guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So the character I what I really enjoyed with.
Speaker 1: Him was that, by the way, shout out, you're shouting
out the YouTube guy, right, not Jimmy Saville, when you're like,
shout of that guy, Like I'm gonna clarify for correctly
before that gets clipped out of charity.
Speaker 3: Charity for that guy.
Speaker 4: Charity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like when it comes to this character, I enjoyed his
his his lack of confidence and belief and like, no,
I can't even say that because he believed it, but
then he like doubted it at the same time, Like
there was just this conflicting like turmoil that he had.
And when he was actually like present with with Rafe's character,
I again, that was just where I was really eating
it up because just the way he's moving and sizing
up Rafe's character and just like like like trying to
interpret and interrogate what's going on. Like I like that,
and I like just how charismatic he is too. Like
while you can see like in the previous scene where
he's with the whole little community and that building and
they're just having dinner at the table like, if you know,
the tension is there, and you can feel the survivor's
point of view how things are tense, but at the
same time he's super chill, he's charismatic and and I
like that a lot, and I like how he just
has this dystopian, fucked up point of you based on
this one brief scene of how he survived and his
father was just a holy man, a religious man, and
it just totally got warped and distorted. And I that's
something that I kind of enjoy seeing in these post
apocalyptic movies, is when you have usually some person who's
very religious ended up turning it upside down, and it
just got It got great when the one Jimmy was like, hey,
I saw father Nick, and he's like what And he's
just thinking in his head. You can tell when you're retrospective,
like he's trying to think, how am I gonna spin
this in my favor? But at the same time, it's like, Okay,
maybe this is really him. And it's like his own
lie is kind of turning into his own like a
reality for him, and it's it's just this weird kind
of inner turmoil that I really really liked with the
character on top of the actor just dishing out a
fantastic performance. I really like that, and I liked even
better with that chair on top when Ray sees that
it's uh, it's Spike and gives this last command and
Jimmy's just like, oh, no, no more commands, no more.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: He was just he was so fucking good with that,
and I was just eating that up. So yeah, I
just think it was It was awesome. And you have
to think too, when you're looking at his character, who
is just subject really to Teletubby's and the TV and
it probably has no other real memory of things in
the world from the past too, And that's something that
he talks to to Ian about as well, just the
world beyond how Ian's talking about, like, oh, you know,
I remember like computers and and different things in order
and grocery stores, fridges, all that stuff, et cetera. And
so when he's asking Ian to put on a show
otherwise he'll kill him, and I just think like, okay,
that's we'll talk about the show and everything later. But
just dealing with the music and just the effects and
everything that you have to think too, like, okay, like
this is something that Jimmy has never seen before, and
the other Jimmy's too, like they've grown up in this world.
They've never seen anything like this either, or probably no
half the ship that he's whipping out like with like
the the speaking on the speaker and then the music,
you know, shout out to Iron Maiden and all this
kind of stuff. Like it's just that was something else
that really wowed me with this character, because he's just
like taking this in. You know, he's getting drugged when
you know he blows the fairy dust. Oh yeah, just
totally just fucking women.
Speaker 1: What a couple of weeks. Wait till he gets back home, Like,
what happened to you while you're out there? Oh Dad,
you wouldn't believe stuff went?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was just all in all, I'm just
I'm super super just high off that character. He was
just it was it was just crazy. And every time
he's just trying to one up like oh you know
charity or you can replace one of my fingers and whatnot.
It's just it's yeah, it's just some crazy shit, crazy shit.
I just it's distorted, just warped belief that was taken
from something that's supposed to be good and it's just it,
it's just, yeah, just got fucked up and he just
his own lie kind of bit him in the ass
and fucked him over at the end, and I just
I like the irony in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I can go because I don't know
if Kirklan likes Jimmy or was just over all the
Jimmy's But I think for me, I just I look
at him as like a I don't know how to
describe this, but a somewhat bad not acting wise, but
a bad version of Jack Sparrow, where Jack Sparrow is
very intelligent and has a lot of luck, but there
is kind of an a loo foolishness to him, and
that's Jimmy. And I think the reason he can get
away with that is because all these people are lost,
or maybe they're not the brightest people. He's came it like,
all these people are very violent, so I don't think
many of them are smart. Think Kelly had some you know,
free thought. Obviously Spike kind of did. We'll get into that.
I have some issues with the Spike character in the middle,
as far as some choices there that I just didn't
with the timeline, didn't really match up to me. But
I think for yeah, act why it's very charismatic. I
like that he was not They never tried to sympathize
with him too much. Like even with the conversation with
the doctor, he was just giving his perspective. And I
like that perspective of the doctor also comes from this
virus is a place of Yeah, from a place of science,
and I'll say his views the story, but he's coming
from it from a view of belief or religion, which
many people would do, right, So I liked that different
belief system. I thought he I thought he carried himself
very well in all the scenes as far as being
a fine line of that dark comedic humor but then
also intimidating. I definitely specify probably the dinner table scene
when everyone's in around and just that little moment when
the woman asking, oh, youre gonna leave? Oh, absolute, we're
gonna leave after we kill you, and it's just the
quick tone shifts he can do. Really bugged me that
for some reason they had that guy just sort of
the boiling pot of water on the table, Like why
not just like kill off one of the Jimmy's in
that moment there, Like they don't have to take Jock O'Connell,
But like, why is he throwing the water on the
to just like.
Speaker 4: I like several people with it, and it gives it
everyone everyone in an advantage in the room to like, yeah.
Speaker 1: How to go call the advantage? Go?
Speaker 4: They all focus, they're all weaken, they're all weak, and
they're not fighters.
Speaker 1: Right, I'd say, take out one what you do hot
water on the other, hit the other one the hot thing,
and try at least like take out what it did. Nothing.
It was so frustrating this mone because I was like.
Speaker 4: Ohm, alone tactic, is it really gonna kill anyone.
Speaker 1: In this world? I would hope so? But No, to me,
it was his presence. And yeah, I liked what Tay
said where to me it is the thing of he
I thought the whole way through, okay. And the other
thing I liked about him just acting wise in casewise,
he very much sounded like a pastor, which I think
is a very good idea to do in this route.
Like when he's doing his speeches, his hand motions and
his comparisons very biblical, very much. If you go to
church on Sunday, it's a good pastor you're gonna be
getting that same type of vibe, right, so you can
find why he would get those lost souls. I think
for me, I liked that for the first act, I thought, Okay,
this is called kind of bullshit to him. But then
they reverted back to that first movie where when he
talked to his dad, and his dad he gave him
this whole speech about like, oh, it's you know, the
reckoning and that's what's coming for us. That actually an
impact on it. It wasn't just oh yeah, I'm gonna use this.
There's a bit of them that believes that these things
aren't just as signs fire as they're devils. There's things
that have been torn by God or religion or whatever
it may be. So I like that when they Kelly
was like, oh yeah, old Nicks out there. He played
it off, and I thought the whole time he was
just playing off because that's part of his scheme, but
there was part of him that believed it. So that
to me is where that jack sparrowness comes in, where
there's a bit of them that is aloof and I
kind of like that, and then I think that also
makes them dangerous. But he was still smart enough to
make this deal with Ray Fines. But then obviously it
bit him in the ass because Ray finds it was
having a crisis of conscious. So yeah, no, I liked everything.
I maybe when I watched it again, but I had
no critiques of the Jimmy Crystal character, particularly motivations and
all the scenes with them and brutal villain like terrible
things like that skinning scene was just brutal. Man. That
that stuff that I thought when they cut away, like okay,
we're gonna see a little bit it and we go
back to those bodies and they're just sitting there.
Speaker 4: It's like jeez, and they're still like their eyes are open,
like they're still alive.
Speaker 1: They got burnt. Then after they got burnt, something live,
they got no skin there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, you know, didn't use the boiling water properly.
We exactly maximize as advantage there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of forgot it was Jack O'Connell in this.
Uh So when I saw him in the credits, I'm like,
oh fuck, there's no way he's the main Jimmian. Sure
enough he is. I think I was let down, like
for the first chunk, I think until we get the
scene with him and Raife Like that's when it kind
of won me over, like I've just seen because at first,
I'm like, is this just some psycho that just wants
to murder people? Like is that just his motivation the
whole movie? And it just seems like that kind of
is it, Like it's just some sadists that just loves
watching people get tortured And there wasn't more to that
I liked. I like the scene when yeah, he's like,
it's not so much like oh fuck, they they think
they found Saint Nick. My my ploy is up. He's like, Okay,
let's actually see this guy, Like like is this actually
who I'm seeing in my head? Because like he would right,
like if your dad was some zombie cultist religious dude
and like you just see that happen your whole family
dies at like eight years old or whatever age, he
was like, that would fuck with your brain for life.
So like I do believe that he's actually hearing Saint
Nick in his head, right, like he's just hearing like
he's probably schizophrenic, Like he's just hearing his dead father
in his head because he's just so going through his
own psychosis. You know, maybe doctor Ian could have helped
him with that if he was a little more willing
to work out with that. But I love the sequence
of him like yeah, like questioning his own belief and
like like really having that. I was gonna say heart
to heart more of just like a sit down conversation
with Ian and like.
Speaker 1: Just sounds like a hard heart though, which to me
was impressive after they just skinned all these people. I
was never rooting for him, be like, oh, there's a
good guy here, but just the way he betrayed himself,
just like, oh, I'm another lost soult here and oh, okay,
I'm in the demonic stuff until he starts to make
the turn in the ends, like.
Speaker 3: He's like I'm talking to you, you know, like you
might be the first person I've ever actually like like
I did like all of that. Those conversations performance was
really good too. Those fucking nasty teeth they gave him
just so disgusting and somebody just close up shots of
nasty people's Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. So I
did kind of come around to the character, but it
would have just been in that snippet of like when
he when he goes to the bone temple, uh, like
that he just yeah, like he he is a con man.
It's like, Okay, you're not the devil, but like I
still have to have ultimate control, so you have to
basically pretend that you are. And yeah, I did like that. Uh,
just like patheticness to him, like when you find that
out of like he realizes like what this is and
he's actually I feel like he in his head like
wants to deny what Ian's saying, but at the end
of the day, like it makes sense what he's saying, Like, Okay,
this isn't the devil, like like you really believe that
it comes from maggots and and viruses, like like he's
just there's no way shape or for him in his
head does he believe that was the case. It's like no,
this is actually just the apocalypse, like Satan has actually
come and and we're here to just spread his his
his dark religion across the land. So I did kind
of like finding out about that and like what the
root well we already we already knew what the root
cause was it, but more so just his interpretation of it.
So I grew to like the character there for the Jimmies, though,
I I feel like I just it's it's yeah, it
is brutal. Like I I understand, I'm not gonna say
take those scenes out, but like that's just not what
I like to watch. It reminds me of like Devil's
Rejects pretty much when they're just like just torturing these
people in the that's the movie, right, the rob Zombie one.
Speaker 1: Well, there's two. I don't know what you are talking about,
but there's that, or there's those characters.
Speaker 3: You know, they're just those just locked ups like, yeah,
they just did murder torture people, and that's the vibe
I was getting, and uh it, yeah, maybe it's just
it's just it's hard for me to I was ee
my popcorn when they're getting played alive, and I'm like,
this is just disgusting.
Speaker 1: I didn't today.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was like a fist in as fucking Alpha.
Alpha's eating the brains and I'm like, this is not
paring well right now. And it's like very visual like
zooming of like the human brains he's eating. But I digress.
But yeah, I know, I think it was just like, Okay,
these characters are fucked and there's just a lot of them.
If you like those types of fucked up characters awesome.
This movie has a lot of that. It just seemed
like a little bit too much. Now that being said, Honestly,
my favorite character in this entire movie was actually Kelly.
I think she was such a such an interesting asterisk
because like, I really had no idea what her motivation
was like throughout the entire film, Like I wasn't sure
if she was like just going along with it but
like actually very sane, but then it like it very
much feels like she is believing somewhat what Jimmy's saying,
like like or she's more thinking that this is the
apocalypse and Satan is real and he is causing this,
but Jimmy's kind of like the false prophet. So I
just love the layers and how that was kind of
being revealed, And it seemed like she was always kind
of a guardian angel to to Spike, but then there's
moments that he's looking at her like he's the prey
and she's like the prayer. So it was just such
an interesting dynamic and really really happy that character made
it out and I'm I'm hoping to be able to
see uh more of her and in a dynamic nature
because it was just hard to pin what was going
on with that particular characters, Like all the other Jimmy's
are just fucked up and weird and theyre's psychos, but
her is just like the one I don't know, just
wild and Jake Suley and the avatar. It's like the
one that that's different than all the others.
Speaker 4: That's the actress from Solo, And so.
Speaker 1: The whole time her, Yeah, and then I was like
I thinks are very recognizable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I was. I really wanted just like
maybe one or two more conversations between her and Spike,
because we see like there's even like that during the
barn sequence, get cuts away from the fire and they're
sitting out there and it's kind of like, oh, yeah,
they've just had a conversation or something, and now like okay,
now the barn's burning down and we're gonna go into
that scene. But yeah, I think I just needed a
couple more sequences, which would have fixed up a lot,
because as we talked about, like Spike isn't where to
be found in this movie, I wanted to hear more
of his point of view, but then also like build
up their bond a bit, because really the only actual,
like tangible thing to see their bond is that she
like chases them down in the woods and saves them
from that other guy, and I guess like in the
ending sequence, but that's just a very chaotic sequence overall,
like with the ray fines and the doing his his
performance bit. So yeah, I guess we'll get a lot
of that in the third one, since they're running away together.
But yeah, I definitely needed a bit more because yeah,
she seemed like the only one who actually had like
any agency and like actually was a human, whereas the
other ones just felt like caricature, like classic cult goon
number two, three four in the movie kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Which is weird too because it feels like like I
don't know this, but I would assume this active. They
least skinned the three people and then they left. That
fourth one also, the fight happens, but I feel like
that's probably taken a while, and it didn't look like
those Jimmies were being fast about it. They're going not
no haste, So I felt like that's probably like a
perfect time that you could have those people like talk
Spike and Kelly, like there's time to pass, but just
felt like he's thrown up. She's He's like, I don't
want to go back in there, and she says you don't,
which I thought was odd because you would think that
like Jimmy Crystal would say no, he's at least gonna
watch this. You know. That felt like a disconnected me
that why does she Because then at first now does
see the whole movie. I thought, Okay, is she like
sleeping with Jimmy Crystal or do they have more of
a connection where it's kind of okay, he does roll
over the Jimmies, but there's something between those two. That's
why she could tell Spike Okay, you can set out here.
It's fine. That never really got addressed. Also, the other
thing that was weird too when they because I don't
want to forget about this. They originally I thought one
to go see old Nick to get like a like
a full I don't know, well, a conclusion or whatever
on Spike right, because they're like yeah, And then when
it happened that didn't come up at all. Because I
thought that was gonna be a thing. I thought they
were gonna pull the mask off, and that's when he
seemed be oh no, you're he's fine, he's safe, But
didn't they he did his three commands, then they were
leaving and we'll get the other stuff, which I did
like the scene escalate, but it was weird that never
came up again. Even with the other Jimmy's, they're like, well,
didn't we come here to see old Nick just because
of the kids. Obviously they were blown away, so they
probably end on cocaine, so they probably weren't thinking about it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess maybe it was just like
because he had Jimmy, Like, after he had that conversation,
he was like, Okay, this is how I'm gonna spin this,
so that's why, like I'm gonna change it. And like
he's specifically said to his team like you're not allowed
to say anything, so that's true, shutting them down preemptively.
But yeah, I think you know, all all you guys said,
all the stuff you guys said with Jimmy, you know
all valid stuff. I wish I could be there there
with you on it. I think the one thing I'll
push back on is like the charisma angle of the character,
because I just feel like we didn't really see much
of that. Like I think that It would have been
really interesting if that sequence at the farm with all
the people like had that angle to it, Like obviously
everyone in that room was terrified of him, and none
of them were like wanting to join his cult or anything,
which I don't think that's like what his goal was
in that moment, but we definitely didn't see it there.
I mean, Ray finds it. I don't think he was
like putting the wheels on him. I think Rafe was
just like, Okay, I gotta protect myself, and the best
way to do it is just to go along with
this crazy guy's plan and then he'll leave me alone
kind of thing. I guess the only case would be
obviously has like his his cronies with him, but even
then it feels like he's constantly undermining them or pissing
them off, Like obviously that one girl was like seemingly
planning to like turn on him at some point, and
then when he just let that other cult members like
friend die in the pool sequence, it seemed like that
created some like disdain there, but we didn't really see that.
So I guess the big evidence for me would be
like with Spike, because I really cannot put a reason together.
Why Spike stuck around with him for so long? He
had so many opportunities to leave, and so really the
only evidence I have is that something about Jimmy's charisma
is able to pull him in. But really we only
get that one sequel after the barn situation when he
you know, go when when Spike chases the girl, the
pregnant lady, she escapes, he comes back and then they
have that conversation there like maybe maybe during that sequence,
obviously he didn't really like treat him well, but he
treated him. Why that probably scared him into stain, I suppose.
But yeah, I guess I'm the Kris Mangle. I don't
see it as much, and particularly with Spike. I don't
know what the f is going on with that character.
Speaker 1: Especially because I think we're the disconnect for me was
I guess even on the Jimmy thing where the last
movie they he meets all the Jimmy's and then we
cut to right away. There's no flashback nothing, We're right
to the next scene of them in some sort of
pool area and they're testing each other. Right, It's pretty
much you know, you pick a guy, you gotta fight.
Last man standing is in the group. Okay, that's fine,
but it's just I didn't feel like that was gonna happen.
I didn't think we're gonna jump from the meeting and
then to the fight. I thought there might be a
slower you know, maybe there is something about Jimmy why
he would feel because in that first movie, they don't
like threaten Spike, they don't like kidnap him. They save him, right,
So I thought it'd be in the general Okay, you
trust him, then you see okay, this guy's really bad,
and that to me would have bought exactly what you
said them. And my thing of why can't like hit
this with a perfect score like the first one? Why
Spike didn't leave multiple times? I could, I guess kind
of believe scared kid doesn't know what he was doing.
But I again with the ending of the last one,
felt like Spike was, well, I'm gonna go off on
my own, be mature and do this right. The world's
out there, so I'm gonna take it, try.
Speaker 2: It once so we know he wants to as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would have maybe of them could
turk that as far as just like or could tweak
just tweak that I don't know what the word I'm
trying to tweet. Yeah, I wish that they just I
guess it's tough because the baby, that baby, when did
they find right the Alpha's whatever lady had the baby,
that baby had to get back to Aaron Tato Johnson.
I guess that's the awkwardness, because I would just rather
he's still trying to get home and then bumps into
Jimmy's for him to go and be like, oh, I'm
fully gonna go out there by my own, be my
own man. And then he's right back to being a
very scared kid. Can't say he can't be scared because
he's still kid. But that moment when he lifted the boat,
I was not in there enough to believe that sense ability.
I would have to hear something like this guy's been
with these jimmies for a year, because I just I
didn't believe, not even even if he didn't want to
stop her or go with her, why he would even
do the bow? Why wouldn't he just run away even
though too, Like he said to kind of like I
want to get out of here, and she's like, well,
I know you're gonna sit here and whatever you'll get
through it. Like That's what just to me. The two
biggest console this film is that they they backseted Spike
a lot, because I liked Spike in the first one.
I was worried, like, okay, another dad with young kids training.
We have so much of that stereotype right now and
all these movies. But it worked out. I like the acting,
felt like there was some growth with that character, and
it felt like they were reduced to be scared of
the Jimmies. And then I just didn't buy why he
would not run, especially in that moment. Other moments came
maybe can't sneak away, but in that moment, he could
definitely get away. It's dark and all those Jimmies are
messed up right now. They're not gonna find They might
find days there, but they're not gonna find them. And
uh yeah, and I just didn't buy him even thinking
about shooting this girl at the bow. I just I
just felt like, if they're going to do a potential
Stockholm syndrome storyline, especially they're basing the character off of
I don't think we got there enough. So I think
those were my biggest critiques. So I share some sentiments
with you there, M I agree, Taylor. Anything on the
Spike in particular Jimmy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a little bit more context for this character,
a little more of a dialogue exchange would have been welcomed.
But there wasn't anything that was really negative for me either.
I feel like, Okay, he's just the story feel like
it's shifted. I mean even the name Bone Temple. I
feel like, Okay, Raife is now definitely the main character
in this one, and so you have Spike just kind
of he's around and he's a part of these events,
but he's not the primary focus anymore. And I can
get I could, I can. I can see that that's
that's fine because even then there were other maybe not
main characters, but that first one we had like his
dad and some other characters that were very prominent, right,
but then none of them are in here, so it's
just like that's that's out the window. He's the only
aspect of that colony. And I think that's his sole purpose.
Is he's in this to remind us and pose that
that the idea, like, Okay, there is that colony that
still exists, that the Jimmy's haven't hit, and that's gonna
come full circle, which you know, Travis, you were hinting.
I will talk about that later, but uh, well, I.
Speaker 1: Don't only just come full circle with the Jimmies, though Jimmy's.
Speaker 4: Are coming out with the Jimmy's No, No, but his
colony it's not out the window yet. That's it's gonna
have a play.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're overplaying how much. I think
it's gonna be big, and I just think he's gonna
bump into I think the pregnant lady that escapes gonna
go to the colony and when Spike gets there, she's
gonna be like, hey, you're like some stuff happened there,
and like I can't fully trust him. I think he's
gonna be having a big dinner. They'll be happy. And
I don't think it's gonna cause anything that because I
think she's still kind of sensed that he was a
lost kid, but he did also he didn't really help,
but he still was around while her whole entire or
i'd say family friends got brutalized and.
Speaker 2: Oh was she by the way, She's sitting up there
for like hours and.
Speaker 1: The awful, awful, well, and that's the only thing too.
I just wonder with all these story with this story,
and like, I agree with you too that Ray Finds
definitely would I saw him to if we're doing Goldenkeeks
next year, and like the lead for this one, I
wonder if there's a way to do this story, not
even with Spike, because with Ray Fines. When they set
up and he's doing his whole speech. I love the
moment where he tells them all about I guess we
can talk in this whole moment here, but he tells
them about when he's gonna speech, oh not you, my son,
and he stands up and it's like Ray Finds and
him have this agreement, like we're gonna do the show,
then you're gonna be ad here. And when Jack o'conne
starts talking to like, oh, we're gonna go out there
and skin and kill people, make them scream out already
on ray Finds character's face, you can see the turmoil
in him. So I feel like that turn of him
doing the oh you've got a crucify your leader, I
feel like he could have done that even without Jimmy right,
because it wasn't just like him, Yes, he already was.
Can I abide and help these people go kill other
innocent people out there. So I would have believed that
journey like the Jimmy trim makes it really easy. But
with the morals they gave Ray Fine's character Ian, I
would believe that he would already try to trick this guy.
So I know what they want to do. They want
to connect it, especially with the ending. I get it there.
But or even if there's a way that maybe Jimmy
was just still the Bone Temple maybe and saw this
go down, like he was just still hanging out with Ian,
and I.
Speaker 4: Don't know if he keep saying Jimmy, sorry, yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been coded. Yeah, Spike. I wonder if there's that
Spike could just stayed at the Bone Temple the whole
time with the doctor and you get the Jimmy's as
this force moving along. I guess it's the tough thing
is you need somebody good with the Jimmies. But you
could have just made it to the Kelly character, like
I just I think the Spike thing was a I
think the Spike thing's gonna be fine in the third
part because I think he's gonna take over obviously with
the returning actor and that's gonna lead to all these
people intersecting. But I think with this one he does
kind of feel like a square peg in a round
whole scenario.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I would liked more for Spike, but
I don't think I would have taken them out of
that dynamic though, because I like the character of Kelly
so much because of her dynamic with Spike and just
how much of a wild card she still is. Like
I still thought she could just fucking shank Spike at
any moment, Like she just seems so wild card. But
and if you just have her being kind of like
the good Jimmy, you lose all of that. I think
there is just some pretty obvious moments in the film
that we could have just had some dialogue between I
almost did it. I almost called him Jimmy Spike and
and Kelly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you definitely need you definitely need Spike there
for the stakes of it. But it makes him feel
like a plot device instead of like his own character,
which is just weird considering that he was so prominent
in the last one.
Speaker 3: Just strange, and that reminded me of what I was
gonna say, agree with what you said, Travis, of just
the like lat like reverse development that we had from
him in the first movie, like he goes through this
life altering, uh, like becoming a man, go out there
and kill your first and infected. Now he's just living
out on the land and then this movie happens and
he's just like a meek little prisoner again, like like yeah,
it's just so strange. And then yeah, when when he
pulled the bow on that lady, I was so like,
what the fuck are we doing here? This is just
so ridiculous, Like I get it if they're watching him,
like you know, he pulls the draws the bow, it's like, yeah,
go with you, I'll fake a shot, and he's just
like I don't know. It was just so strange, like
he he pulled that up as if he was ready
to kill and infected. And then it's as if like
a switch went off and like, ah, I should go
with her here, and it's just it's like what are
we doing here? Like was there another time just to
have that.
Speaker 1: He's like insinuating he needs to leave with an adult
when like, I guess I understand when they had this
like little lock system, but it's like you can clearly
just climb this fucking thing, Like it's not that high.
Like if Jimmy, if Spike you want to leave, go,
So that's where it's just that's that's where like the
ending of the first one and the character in this
one don't core less. It just felt like they wanted
a reason for in part one for Spike to still
be out there, but the character didn't actually evolve, even
though he wrote this whole letter to his dad about
I'm just gonna go walk the walk, and I swear
in the third one, if he's not immediately heading home,
I don't know if I can route for this character.
I get one be oh man, but like what you've
seen now, it's like you gotta go back. It's not
like just even if you want to live somewhere else,
live with another person out with your dad, that's fine.
It's like, at the end of the day, your dad
was in a high pressure situation, hadn't a fair He
ain't what these guys are here, like Aaron ed Johnson
is not that bad. So it's like cut on some slack,
please go home. So I'm hoping that's where him and
Kelly are trying to head to. It's not just more
because he didn't say that. He didn't say it. When
they just said let's go, I was kind of home.
He was like, oh, well, I have a place that
we're safe at. I don't know where they're running to.
So I swear on the third one, if they pick
up they're not going back. That'll probably be a point
a couple of points off for me or something, because
it's just there's too much out there. It's time for
you to like just get some R and R for
even a night, you know.
Speaker 2: So, so is that do you guys all think that
the pregnant lady's gonna go back to that town? Is
that where you're all at?
Speaker 3: I think I should have talked about her, honestly, even
though I was just talking about her, I mean runs off.
Speaker 2: I would. I just feel like I was a little
disappointed that we don't get any resolution for the character.
Obviously there's a third movie. That's fine, but I maybe
wanted one more scene of her, maybe even like a
hint at where she's going or something. Not that I
have too much investment in the character, because she doesn't
says even less words than a Spike. Somehow, in a
movie where Spike barely talks at all, But I am.
I feel like that is definitely a thread that is
going to get pulled on. We definitely need some some
resolution to that. You can't just leave that completely untethered.
Speaker 3: When Killian and Sam, I guess Jim and Sam at
the end when they hear no, I thought it was
going to be her honestly over Spike and Kelly in
that moment, but it's just, yeah, she's just gone in
the mist. It seems like a pretty wild spot to
just find. If she's just running off into into the
wilderness to like find the Holy Island where No, I.
Speaker 1: Bet it's give me a situation where like Airtier Johns.
Speaker 3: Samson's gonna find her.
Speaker 1: No, not Sam, No, I think it's gonna like Airtier
Johnson's out looking for his son and bumps into this
layer or someone else from that community bumps into her,
like you come back with us sort of situation because
I feel I know that they dropped off a baby
of Airtair Johnson, but I find it hard to believe
he's not going out looking for Spike this chance he
gets like the way that because at the end of
that movie he was literally like almost drowning to try
and get back to his son. So it's like, I
don't believe he's gonna be like, well, I hope my
son's okay out there and he's gonna be a man, no,
I feel, and that's where he'll bump into her, and
X Y.
Speaker 4: And Z thinks.
Speaker 2: I mean she doesn't, yeah, because she certainly doesn't know
where that place is or else she probably would have
chose to live there, right, considering that she was in
like a safe home base situation with a bunch of
other people. But I don't know how far away that is.
But like Killian's base is clearly like at most a
couple of days from where her base was this whole time,
so maybe they know about each other already as well.
But she didn't go straight there obviously because she wasn't
there before the Spike and one Jimmy were, So I don't.
Speaker 4: Know the uh the Jimmy's in there. Like statistic kind
of like outlook on things like this is kind of
a goin of loose thread from that first twenty eight
years later when we have the them wearing that colony
where they wear the masks, and it's just like, what
is this kind of weird shit? That they're doing, and
it just seems like there's some kind of sadistic thing involved.
But I don't have much to go off of, but
just the way that Spike was reacting to how the
things the Jimmy's were committing, it just makes me think, Okay,
maybe the community isn't doing weird shit. They just wear
these masks with bleeding eyes just for some other reason
that I hope gets answered in the next one. And
maybe well maybe, yeah, maybe the characters that we see
join the Fray here we'll be able to shed some
light on that. Maybe the character at the end, we'll
be able to talk about the other colonies and whatnot,
because it seems like there's a lot of other colonies
and this movie did a good job kind of expanding
a little bit more. I feel like, and especially Jimmy's
inner the impresion, he's gonna have thousands of recruits too, so.
Speaker 1: That's true, yeah, which we don't really see thousands, even
though you feel like we were. It's interesting. I felt
like that first movie, we didn't bump into anybody, like
it just felt like, you know, airto Johnson Spikes home
was that's where most people were, and like eve when
they see the doctor, it's like, oh, that's that's crazy.
You're seeing like another person out there. Right, We're now
like these people are in cottage. She got the Jimmy's
and that's where I guess we can talk about now
because we've kind of circled around it, like awesome. I'm
very happy killing Murphy's back. I'm excited to see what
they can do with jim I'm obviously now they've set
them up with a kid. I don't think, uh god,
what's the girl's name? Who was Calypso? And I can't
remember her real name, But I don't think Calypso made it.
Remember she was his girlfriend or whatever in twenty Yeah,
I don't think she Yeah, I don't. I don't. I
don't think she made it unless she's in like a
bathroom sleeping. But I think it's just it's one of
those things where it's almost like Star Wars when everybody
knows each other. There was a point of me where
they're just running and killing just sees them like, you know,
this again feels a little small now, you know, like
I know, it's not in the biggest place or happened.
It just feels like, especially in the amount of time
this is all happening, just feels like we're seeing a
lot of people out there, and I get there has
to be survivors, but I guess, I guess I just
wish there was a maybe a bigger time passage between
this trilogy, or like even one and two. But no,
I'm excited to see what happens. I kind of like
that at first, when you see them, you still think
it's on the island, but they're almost treating it like
they're not there. They're treating it like they could be
somewhere else. And then when she said, oh, well you're
the ones that would give me the exam, that's the okay,
they are there, which is smart cause right after that's
when you start hearing the noises and you know, oh,
do we help them? Of course we help them. So
I am interested. I think it kind of what we
all expected that he was going to be the little
stinger there, not much to go off of. Then he
has a kid, and that's lots of steakes. I guess
I am disappointed that we're not gonna see killing Murphy
interact with Ray Fines or Jack O'Connell. I would have
been interested to see those type of dynamics, but I.
Speaker 3: Mean Samson though, man, and then.
Speaker 1: Sam'son the ultimate team up there, and that's where I
just with g me get it, and I love that.
I love that moment when Ray findes was like, oh
in the fourth one and just like the Son of God,
you know, that was such a great moment and they
kill him off the kill Ray Finds. With the third one.
Other than getting Spike home, I really don't know what
was gonna happen because I actually kind of thought Jack
O'Connell was gonna make it, and I kind of thought
it'd be, oh, you know, the doctor didn't survive, but
we're gonna get killing Murphy back and he's gonna help
take out Jack right or the Jimmy Well, That's where.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, kid, Like, how how prominent a character Samson
gonna be? Like obviously fine, Like Gray Finds is talking
about how he completed what he needed to do, like
he figured out his research, he cured the virus, and
so okay, yeah, is that research just stuck in the bunker?
Is that research something that he informed Samson too? And
we'll see Samson the next one being able to be like, hey, yeah,
I know, like what it needs to be done. It's
like because he was actively cognitively talking and saying like
thank you, and he said his name. He said that
he's like walking up to the Holy Island, like.
Speaker 1: Hello, I was chasing the last movie. But we're all
cool now, clearly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about that
because I haven't rewatched twenty eight years. Well, I don't
think since since theaters was doctor Kelson, was he actually
actively working on a cure in that movie? Was that
a part of his plot?
Speaker 4: I think he was a treating it because he discovered
the iodine kills the virus, right, So this is just
one of the steps he was taking and learning more
about it.
Speaker 1: I think he like mentions it, but I it to
me in the first one, it doesn't feel like that's
his main objective. It feels like that's a side quest, like, hey, well,
I'm doing all this other stuff, I'd like to figure
out what the cause of this is. I think it's
just something like that, not even like to cure, but
just like what the cause with this is. So it's
not like I'm here to do this, but I think
what happened was between I think the infected last movie
having a baby is maybe what started that change up
because the fact that the baby wasn't infected at all,
like he said, it's people thought the virus was more
is it taking over the mind or is it clouding
the mind, And that's where they kind of answered, here,
that's clouding the mind. And so I think the events
have last and we got him on the trajectory to
start be more curious about it.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is. I mean, because I was
that's maybe it's a nippick. Maybe not, but to me,
it was like way too easy for him to come
up with this cure so quickly, and it's conveniently with
just like a couple of pills that he has lining
around that are from twenty eight years ago at least,
so they're like probably expired, so they're probably not even
like potent anymore. And he's like, you know, he says, like, Okay, well,
because of these guys, like we don't have as much
time as I thought, so we got to do that.
I was gonna do this a slow way. So it's
just like his first clinical trial too, where he's just like, oh,
I guess take these five pills and then it just
works like a fucking charm. That really bothered me, like
cause it's like, I mean, we don't know what the
rest of the world is like, obviously because that France sequence.
They may be retcononto that right when like the virus
goes worldwide. But it's like, if this guy was able
to come up with a cure with like over the
counter pills in like a day, how has there not
been a cure solved by anyone else in the world.
Like this seems like a very easy thing to actually
find the solution of. So I was pretty bothered by that,
especially like this deep into a franchise for like the
solution for this to just come up in like, you know,
five minutes, and the movie was kind.
Speaker 3: Of I think.
Speaker 4: I think the line that's drawn there is the rest
of the world, who knows, Maybe they captured these things,
maybe they're experimenting on them, who I don't know. But the
thing that you get to see here is that what
sets them on the idea of this being like a
psychological thing is how Samson was responding to him holding
the weapon up, putting the weapon down, and doing different
things and the level of aggression rising and lowering based
on this interaction. I think that's where he kind of thought, Okay,
maybe you are seeing that aggression, and Okay, maybe if
we can kind of treat something like that where you're
not seeing something that's making you angry again, like a
psychological thing. And I like that they foreshadowed that a
little bit briefly too, when Samson's just before he eats
brain Guy, he just he sees brain Guy and then
he sees, Yeah, his POV is like this, this version
of himself screaming and and how and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Like the scarecrow hit me with this gas.
Speaker 1: Which always fits right because they say it's some it
always gets classified as a zombie movie. But they've been
ever like Garland and Boils, like, well, it's not like
a zombie move like it's like a disease movie. But
it's it's not. But when you see like that, when
I picture a zombie movie, I don't think they're seeing like,
oh my god, something I'm scared of I have to attack.
So I like the differential.
Speaker 2: Kidding that perspective was cool. Do you guys think that
because all the other zombies, not zombies, rage people on
the train were taking bites out of alpha. Do you
think that by doing that, they're like, you know, the
cure is somehow in his blood and that would work
on those.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be crazy, even though I think he just
mutilated them.
Speaker 2: All, like he decapitated all of them, Like I'm sure
some of them are just like knocked out or something.
Speaker 1: Right, would not bood.
Speaker 4: It's not a viral cure though, and you.
Speaker 1: Bit me you would also have the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Basically he just he treated like his his mental state,
and he treated a few other things.
Speaker 1: I guess it was over time too, right, It was like.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he drugged him with morphine like over weeks
and weeks and weeks, right, So that definitely obviously helped
kind of bring him back.
Speaker 2: You think morphine for the for that pill combo to work.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe like just the more thing helped him
as well. Yeah, like the morphine alone helped him actually
start talking again. That was without the treatment. That just
was able to slow him down and keep him at
like a state where he's calm, which is a lot
longer of a treatment than I'm imagining any of their
government is doing. Again with him being able to test
this stuff out in the field.
Speaker 2: Here is a long time.
Speaker 4: It is a long time.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they care, though I hope we
get that that's right, They don't think. They've just been like,
we don't care about that place whatever.
Speaker 4: They don't, And I mean that's why I feel like, Okay,
with with Rape's character, he's he's in there, boots in
the ground, and he's just he's got nothing but time
to just test out these different things and lead to
this ultimate conclusion. And so with this medication that's proving success,
the thing that I'm curious about is, Okay, the virus
is still present in his blood, so technically these other
variants shouldn't have attacked him necessarily because they should be
able to sense that the virus is in there. But
then you get a case like the second one twenty
eight weeks later, where you have the mom that had
the virus in her and she's technically a carrier. So
now he would be I guess, a carrier that could
still be attacked and killed by these things, because if
you remember, like she was a carrier, she had the
virus in her, but her husband got infected and just
like ripped her apart and killed her. So I think
that's technically what he becomes. So it kind of gives
him his cognitive abilities to sanity comes back a little
bit and he's aware and he's on that kind of scale.
But he's a carrier, so he still got that virus
in him, but it does not mean he's immune to that.
There's killing him like we see in twenty eight weeks later.
That's the comparison which that whole sequence though. I loved it.
I liked how he's remembering things, and I liked how
just everyone on the train was standing there. He had
his Alan moment and it's just like he's like, yeah,
I don't have my ticket, and the other they're all
like this ticket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to say something, but we're
gonna take our next at break and then we'll hear and.
Speaker 2: Then I'll go and then yeah.
Speaker 1: And we're back. Kirkling laid on us.
Speaker 3: Uh, I'll lay it on you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I definitely feel like we do make some jumps on like, Okay,
that's pretty simple on how we we just solve that cure.
I also feel like this isn't just specifically the cure
to the disease. Like I feel like Samson is a
very specific patient that like he was treating like it's
also an alpha, right, Like how rare are those individuals
in and of itself? Like maybe maybe the other infected
don't react to that treatment the same way that Samson
would have.
Speaker 2: And I don't think the alpha was like a different
mutation though. I think it's just because he was big
and strong.
Speaker 3: But isn't that behaves all so different.
Speaker 2: Than that's a result that it's not like an alpha
is like actually a different breed. They're just like larger
than everything.
Speaker 4: But I think that's the result. It is about in
the first movie though, where they address that based on
like the virus kind of expanding as it kind of
it has these changes and creates.
Speaker 3: Like it's like evolving their species, right.
Speaker 1: That he's an alpha and he just gets bigger, bigger, bigger.
Speaker 4: The other minor ones they injected in his ass and
he just keeps.
Speaker 3: It's just I feel like his physio like it's not
just he's bigger, like he like regenerates, Like it's just
like he's like a superhuman and compared like a super scroll,
you know, to quote a terrible.
Speaker 4: And that's not just a one off either, that's consistent
across all the alphas, right, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they didn't get into that, but it just
seems because there's lack of explanation, I kind of have
to just pull my own theories on the matter. And
it also just like his like what other doctor in
like the Mainland would be like this level of like
philosophical ideas of like is it really clouding the mind?
It's like no, they're just looking at the numbers and
the science to it, where it's like he's dressed in
iodine and fucking singing his records to the moon in
his bone temple that he like, Like, there's a lot
of weird things going on with this character, and I
feel like that is how he gets the cure. Obviously,
resources are just happened to be in his little shack there,
so that's a bit of a stretch. But I think
just because I was so vibing with Ray Fines, like
I would trust this guy to cure anything, like he
just he is just the messiah in this world. And
I think that's why I kind of allowed that to go.
And I also just loved his scenes with Samson when
Samson's just drugged up for eighty percent of this movie,
and he's just mood moon And then you have Ray
Fines like holding his hands and just dancing.
Speaker 4: With them taking shirts off.
Speaker 3: Now like when ke was so cute, Like when Kelly
finds them and she's just like watched with the Vinos
and she's just like, what the fuck is going on?
And he's just dancing with Samson, Like man, I was
just laughing out loud, like it was just such a
funny part of the movie. But Good points Good Good
points on the less on the.
Speaker 1: Cure to something about the cure, which she agree is
I think it's always just has to be done for
the movie. I hope in the third one they do,
as we just previously mentioned, talk more about the government,
because I want more specification on you know, we just
thought it was the lost cause because technically they did
try to help in twenty eight weeks later, right and
went bad. So I guess they just deemed it as, oh, well,
it's too risky, let's not do it. Just even like
the pills. I want to know, where's Jim getting these
bullet's Jim not Jimmy, where's killing Murphy get these bulls
when I saw them eating toast and jam, like I
guess jam. But it's like even when you run out
a flower, or like how they how they baking that
I guess Ray finds that that little power conductor. But
I just I kind of I don't know why, I
guess with the on the island, it just feels like
that felt more of a Okay, I understanding how their
living and even Ray fines. But now with killing Murphy
where he's just like on this hill so far away
from I imagine lost things. Does that mean him and
his daughter have to always trek into town And just
like Ray Fine said when he was doing his recordings
or he's talking to Samson, he's like, I've searched every
Medican at Medican cabinet, like ten kilometers out, I can't
find any more.
Speaker 4: Morphe You remember at the end of the first movie, though,
and that that shocked to the cabin You don't remember
it like he's walking through it and it's fucking deck
to the roof of supplies, like lots and lots of supplies.
Speaker 1: Okay, But now we are twenty eight years later, and
at some point I imagine they had three people living
in this house with killing Murphy, right, he am the
mom and the baby. So that's where it's like, well, yeah,
so they had to make a choice. I just feel
with you, like killing Murphy, I would imagine it's searching
those same places that Ray findes, is right. So I
am just curious on their setup. And also we've never
got answered. In the first one, that plane drives by,
and they did take people out originally, right, that's what happened.
They took him out. Twenty weeks later went by and
they tried to put him back in. So why did
killing Murphy? Like why is he still there? You know
that's a critiquins I'm just saying why was not because
I wasn't sure how we're gonna get him. Would he
be would he be someone in the mainland trying to
get people on nine and say we got to help them.
Could it be doing something else? Was he gonna be infected?
Was a flashback? But we got the answer that he's
there with the rest of them. So it's like, but
why because that plane I thought would have saved him
in the first one, don't know what happened. Uh, He's
been there long enough to have a kid now, and
that was safely enough. They got like artwork on everything.
So I just thought, when they're sitting there eating toast
and she has books and pens and they they they
frame it like they're living supplies.
Speaker 3: It does not look off shelf there.
Speaker 4: That's just twenty eight years catch twenty twenty eight years
worth of that's just ketch up there.
Speaker 1: What are they doing with twenty eight years?
Speaker 4: This is the end of the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's a goner and there's a sewing machine
and yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2: Do you realize how long twenty eight years is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: One can?
Speaker 3: For three days, they plant one can and then he'll
grow more cans so they will see.
Speaker 2: I agree with you Travis on like well you mentioned
earlier than kind of for it there where like the
just the scale of everything feels a little awful, little unbelievable.
Like even even you know, the whole plot around twenty
eight weeks later is that you know, all the infected
eight and killed each other and like ran out of
food in then died off and here were twenty eight
weeks later, which I know is or twenty eight years later,
And there's just there's effect that everywhere I know, they're
eating like animals and stuff now in the wild, but
they're just everywhere and there's people everywhere, and it just
is kind of surprising to see uh, this many people
still and that begs a question of Okay, so the
alpha in this movie because they they say that he
like showed up recently, right, that's like a part.
Speaker 4: Took over the territory after the other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think he just showed recently or was
he infected only recently? And now that he's back into
a human, like, does he know anyone who's so alive?
And is he gonna interact with anyone in that way?
Like he does he know killing I've like interacted as
people before he got infected. Do you guys think that's
gonna happen'd be wild?
Speaker 1: All this shows the train crashing, right. I feel like
just with his hair and his demeanor, he's been infected
for a while and just eventually became the alpha by
getting bigger. Yeah. I also would like to get explained
in the first one, why like burd and stuff all
the alpha around. We haven't got that explained yet. But yeah,
I think I think he just roamed into this area.
But at the same time, did he roam this area
because that train's not too far and the train is
it seems like that's his point of origin for his story,
right is everything goes to crap and the train's there.
Speaker 4: So are we sure that is his train?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like it was just something that
was like a catalyst for jogging his memory that it
happened on a Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Just remembering that area then, because assume presumably he grew
up well, I don't know, maybe he wasn't ever buff
and old. Maybe he grew up like maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know when he was a boy, right, I
don't know how old do you.
Speaker 2: Think that guy is? I can't really tell.
Speaker 4: Well, he was affected when he was a kid, I imagine.
We don't know that though, right, No, we do know.
He's in the flashback. He's a kid in the thing.
And then when the lady comes up to get the ticket,
then you see a person affected behind her, tweaking out
coming down the hallway of the train.
Speaker 2: I did not see the infected person in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they don't even they don't. There's no music,
he there's no nothing.
Speaker 2: And it's just because he was clearly having like a
who's a nation there.
Speaker 1: But it's like literally shots off everyone's sitting there, and
then it's like the stewardess and in like the little
corner where they've left some room for like you.
Speaker 4: Know, but then from behind like he had a face,
so like I don't know he did, but I think
that was escalating because again twenty eight years later too,
from when he's like a young adult, I guess, yeah,
like a teen, So it kind of stacks up with
how old he is now. He looks like he's probably
in his like thirties, late thirties, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he And again I don't think you
think he's in his late thirties now. He wasn't a
kid when that happened. He was like a teenager in that.
Speaker 4: So how do you think he's like forties?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mid forties to fifties. Yeah, okay, yeah,
when he when he came.
Speaker 3: To by that member, yeah, I think he is forty
two years six.
Speaker 1: When he came in that train and he was just
covered in blood, which was funny because I thought.
Speaker 3: And he lost his loincloth. He went in there with
a loin cloth and he just hel into the Moon,
you know what.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they're in the same movie. But
when the I got a news talk for a top
about in the future with Sony Marvel doing some more stuff.
Get this guy to be fucking Craven one.
Speaker 3: Man, Craven the Hunter. This is shit, you not. He
did stunts. He's like a stunt guy.
Speaker 1: Oh, he should just be Craven. He should just be
Craving the Hunter. And they're like Beard everything, like he's
great and all, like all the little moments he is great.
The acting is great. Like I'm very curious what happens
with him because I misread what I thought was gonna
happen this movie. I thought, Okay, the train thing happens,
and they make it look like he died, right, and
then Samson's gonna get like the big save. He's gonna
come back and save the doctor. And then they show
him walk out of the train, you know, butt ass
naked covered in blood, and I go, oh, that's kind
of weird, like they're spoiling the surprise that he survived
the train and he's gonna save them, and he doesn't really,
He just came back to carry Rayfins off, which I
thought was, which I thought was odd to because ray
Fine dies and he's like sang on the skulls say that,
Oh that's the perfect thing. Is boy's gonna to tear
and he's gonna become one of the Bone Temple people.
But then Samsung's taking him wherever are we gonna get
like part three ex Samson also remember like he remembered
he was like in med school and he knew how
to like treat Ray Fines like where I hope, so
you know, And do you think at the end when
when uh Jimmy Crystal saw the Devil get him, was
that in his mind or did the Alpha actually come
back and mess him up?
Speaker 4: I didn't even think that was a random yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, but it was in the form of the Alpha though, so.
Speaker 2: I think it was the Alpha. Yeah. Presumably the music
was so loud and that's why the Alpha was brought
back there. And I assume he, you know, knocked out
any other infected those in the area, right.
Speaker 3: I think it was just a cheap jump scare. It's
like it was cheap yeah at all. It felt weird,
random jump scare thing.
Speaker 1: It felt weird because like I get it, like maybe
he'd be mad that he killed his friend, but like, clearly,
Jimmy Crystal's not making it, Like clearly he's he's dead,
so you don't have to kill Yeah, you know, he's
a raciful guy, Samson, Right, he's even if he's he
wasn't even I think to get out that training as hisself.
Some that rage that he was still it's full human
form at one point, just like crushed the girl's back
for skull. Like he he's still had.
Speaker 4: The retreating, like he's got the strength and the physicality,
but he was definitely retreating out of that train.
Speaker 1: Too, Like he's still juice.
Speaker 4: And if I killed eight people.
Speaker 1: A normal man, even if he's cured, he's not a
normal man too. He's like he's howling at the moon
covered in blood like prime male. So yeah, he's not
He's not like that was a close one. He's like,
oh golly, he's turning to the hulk ride in front
of us, but.
Speaker 4: Before we drift off too far from it, just to
circle back down. The infection itself in so many different
like zombie flecks, I feel like, Okay, you're dealing with
something that is uh well, that's that's that's the thing.
That I like about this is you're dealing with a
virus that infects you and it's like, Okay, your old
cognitive awareness and consciousness is gone. That's it. And so
when you look at when they try and break it down,
like okay, how can we cure this? You know, is
there a cure whatever? Like it's never like we're gonna
be able to bring people back or cure them. It's like, okay,
if we cure them, they're gonna be like a shell
of their former selves something else, with a different kind
of consciousness kind of a thing. And so and even
then that's rarely ever tackled in in zombie movies. So
just the idea though, that they were able to how
they were able to create a different variant of just
treating it where you can have your consciousness come back
and through flashes of these memories and whatnot, and you
actually get to recollect like yourself. And it would be
so fucked up to actually remember and just think, man,
I ate a guy's fucking brain and all this crazy shit,
Like I think that would cause so much PTSD in
you as a human coming to terms with that. But again,
I really like how it's just a different twist on
on things and how how it was treated to I
just it was just it was different, and I appreciate
them kind of giving us that expansiveness to the infection
and the virus. So yeah, it's just that world building
quality that I like.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I'm really curious to see in
the in the next one, how like his I mean,
it was cool even to just see his perspective, like
early on in the movie when you see the one
guy crawling away on the ground and you get like
that that vision of like what what the infected see?
I think that was just fun to get that perspective.
So yeah, that's a good point. I'm really curious to
see what kind of crazy shit he shares with humans
in the next in the next movie, the things he's seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this camp fire story is gonna be wild when
they're just sitting around talking about how life spin, you know,
and see even then was what I guess is he
can end up with this community too. I know he
joked about, but like, is that his end points his
endpoint just to help just like the first movie, He'll
be charged and run in Ben shoulders, I have your son,
I'm wearing clothes this time Willie though he still lost
that longcloth a lot. But yeah, and then yeah, I
guess we talk a little bit. But yeah. Shout out
to ray fans obviously don't think he's made in the
third Just a highlight on this movie. Very charming, very good.
All that stuff in the Little Hot was great. His
dedication to Samson and man, what a delivery. Who knows
just the beginning of the year, but as of right now,
bolt bullet for me. Extra golden Geeks, the fucking our Maiden,
devil six six six, like everything, just when you see
him like like they're like looking at him, he's like
crawling around. He definitely channeled he became Baltimore again a
couple of times in this movie, like he was his
movements and then also when he busts on and he
says like his beekeeper like whatever, like.
Speaker 4: Suit on, He's like he did a wardrobe change.
Speaker 3: It's like a Taylor concert.
Speaker 1: He did three of them because he was naked. He
had that. And then when he's when he's he's a
trench like comes b. Yeah, it was incredible the second
that music, and especially too, that's like some of these
people don't even what fucking music is they've probably never
even heard it, right, Like, That's what I liked when
Jimmy christ was saying that, like I was eight, I
really have no memories of the normal world at all.
He was just curious to talk to Ian about, like
what do you remember? Right to mention that earlier, But
that scene is and I always wondered, right, because we
saw these trailers and these posters of just like him,
like going like this and these eyes. The whole time.
I always was like, what's this gonna be? Ands moviess
leading up, I'm like, Oh, I guess it's gonna be
just like a fight scene. He's putting on war paint.
I would have never thought, Oh, that scene is he's
gonna pretend to be the devil and he's gonna do
a big dance where he blows cocaine into people's face
where iron Man is playing in the background. Incredible, incredible stuff.
So that no notes ten out ten. I'll be funing
for that. If that does not make scene in the
year for me, then we got a great year of
moviees ahead of us. Because that was just it's no, like, God,
what's the term for the dead, and what does he say,
remember Dead. Yeah, it's not that level where when I
saw that last year it was like, oh, this is
like a all I'm gonna remember this forever. It's not
one of those were greats of all time up at
a bunch of score levels, but still it's gonna be
something I do think back on and just felt very
i don't know, just very almost like GTA when just
something would happen Grand Theft Aught where it's like, why
is this character? What's the result. It's gonna be, Oh,
they're just gonna do something really weird and outlandish and
it's gonna work. And that's what ray Fines was doing here,
Like that's the third act battle of this There's no fight,
nothing like that, no standoff, just yeah, ray Fan's gonna
put on a little play for these people. So amazing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish the movie was more weird like this,
weird and stylish and fun. I just feel like it
didn't have nearly enough of that for me. But they
definitely stuck the landing with that particular scene for all
all the reasons you mentioned, just so bizarre and you
just fucking went for it, and you love to see it.
You love to see when an actor just truly goes
for it, doesn't hold back at all.
Speaker 3: I really thought he was Like I thought Samson was
gonna be making an appearance here and like really fucking
up the Jimmy's at some point, like before they get
the like the mass removal of Spike, and he has
that realization of like, oh, okay, I can't just let
you take Spike again. Like he's kind of looking just
off into the distance, and that's when he's I think,
just having that moment of like I can't really let
these Jimmy's just go out and mutilate and murder people.
But I thought he was like looking at Samson, so
I'm like looking out in the darkness. I thought he
was just gonna be walking up, just cock out and
all and just ready to fuck these guys up because
like they think he's a demon, right, Like that's that's
literally what they call the infected. So not like it's
a missed opportunity or anything, like I am happy with
what we got. Yeah, I don't really know where I
was going with that, but just the scene overall, it
was this movie was not what I was expecting. This scene,
Like I thought I had a grasp on kind of
what was happening. It's like, hey, he's gonna put on
this satanic show. I thought the music was just for
like atmosphere and then you'd be like, welcome my children. No,
he literally is just putting on a concert and singing
the words and yeah, fucking blows Payota dust or something
and these It's like it's one thing to like never
hear music before, never see like pyrotechnics and anything like that,
but then you just get drugged up, and like even
Spike got hit, like this little fucking fourteen year old,
you know, like eighty pounds wet is just like probably
just peeking on whatever drugs that they're on, like just
totally seeing a satanic ritual in front of them, and
like the fact it's actual like bones all around. Like
it's just such a crazy, uh setting, just just an
amazing scene and definitely just such a such a fantastic
way to crescendo the movie big time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a damn good sequence. Oh my god, I
was just eating it up, holy shit. And Ray Fines
is just absolutely next level. I mean, what more can
you say about the guy? Like when he pulled out
into the wardrobe change, he got the like the fire
torch going on. I was like, this is so fucking cool,
this is great, and yeah, everything that just kind of
segued into him turning that foundation of their religion against Jimmy,
like we talked about earlier. I love that. I ate
that up. It was fantastic and very clever, and I
just felt like he was a step ahead the entire time.
And I know that they were initially there for the
fact that, okay, we need to well, like Jimmy didn't
want to execute him like a spike bike like when
they were coming here. I feel like, Okay, the execution
waspposed to be on the spot, I'm going to listen
to Father Nick. He's gonna tell me what to do.
We're gonna kill him. But then things obviously changed and
he found this way of using this scenario as boosting
his own belief system with his followers to enhance his power.
And so that retroactively just kind of shadows, you know,
Spikes murder trial. It doesn't matter anymore because there's something
more powerful at play. But yeah, I just ray Fiones
blew out of the water. I don't know what else
to really say. About it, and then it was just
it was great, absolutely great. And when Samson came back
at the end and he had the horns on him
and whatnot, I thought for a second maybe he killed
the deer and put deer antlers on his head.
Speaker 1: So it's just like very Hannibal uh visions. Yeah. Yeah,
when he was walking and he had like the the
like the antlers, but then he also had like shoulder pads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought, did the armor up to fight the.
Speaker 1: Fucking like when Will is like Spasman out of Hannibal. Okay,
I dig this so.
Speaker 3: Uh I forgot to mention it. But uh, one of
my favorite Jimmy Mo like actual Jimmy Jimmy Crystal moments
is this whole plan is to basically just solidify like
ultimate belief and faith in me, Jimmy Crystal. You know,
like Rafe was gonna put on this this great show
to convince these people that not only is he the
devil saint Nick, but like I am his son and
you should listen to me, and like basically gave him
a script. I just like that's his whole plan. So
he's totally in on the whole thing, you know, That's
what he want. He didn't expect to get a whole concert.
You can kind to see him like surprised when it
gets going.
Speaker 1: But at the end.
Speaker 3: When when Ian's like, yeah and I got one more,
it's like you gotta crucify instantly. Jimmy's like, well, we
don't know who this guy is. This guy's not saying
nick like like we trust this guy. And it's like
these guys literally just went through like a fucking sweat
lodge spirit journey right now, like they just they saw
the devil, like you can't just take back what they saw.
And I love how like right away, Kelly's just ready
to fucking murder this guy that she's always kind of
or sorry already doubtful of throughout the movie. But it
was just such a funny like revealing of his cards
of like, oh, everything's going my way, and the second
it doesn't, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, like like uh, you can't believe him,
Like you gotta be you gotta trust me.
Speaker 3: So it was just such a great way to take
out our antagonist of the movie instead of having like
a big, you know, duel of fates one v one battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like in a game of avalon when
you've been partnering with somebody for a bit and then
they accuse you and you're like, yeah, what's going on?
And I gotta you gotta pivot and go to that person.
But uh yeah, no that I think O'Connell's his facial expressions,
everything that seemed like even when he said not you
might son a bow and just have that shot of Jackal,
He's like smiling like yeah, I got these guys. He's
doing a whole speech again. I'm like, man, he's he's
that's good. He's got to he's got something like cheek acting.
You know, he talked about Tom Hardy and his eye acting.
Just what he's doing, his cheeks, his little smiles whatnot.
Jack O'Connell like he doesn't sinners to. Uh yeah, he's
gonna he's gonna do some good things, so open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just nitpick for that sequence is uh. I
feel like the doctor he goes like stabbing the tummy
like once, and I feel like he should have survived that.
He's an old man, you know, but he's like swool
as hell, and he's like really strong and and like
has tons of drugs. Tons he has every possible drug
and medical medical supply you could ask for. So I
feel like they needed to kill him in a more
overt way. To me, it was a little too easy.
Speaker 1: Could have been a bit.
Speaker 3: Gut though, is pretty pretty awful, right, because if you
get stabbed your intestines and there's just an open wound,
all of your ship and stuff that's in your in
testines probably just spew out everything inside your gut to
just infect. Like even if he makes it out that moment,
I don't know. I'm I'm okay.
Speaker 4: Stabbed in his vena cava's his bladder that this is
all stuff that could have killed him. It's in the
lower abdomen area, is what I looked into.
Speaker 2: Also got stabbed in the exact same spot, and he
didn't die until he was crucified.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's a good point actually, so yeah, but
could he.
Speaker 1: Have died.
Speaker 4: Though, That's right, was y no matter what plus five vitality.
It's not a saint.
Speaker 2: The amount of people that just got like surprise sucker
punch slash like stabbed in this it kind of bothered
me too. Just so many like quick, quick little mini stabs.
You know, obviously with Spike grabbing the guy in the
leg at the start of the movie. Those two at
the very end, like the fact that we got two
little quick surprise gut stabs like back to back. I'm like,
is this the best you got in the choreography sense,
we can't like mix it up a little bit more.
Speaker 3: In the concert? Yeah, actually, yeah, I was. I was
gonna bring up the guy in the woods because I
left so hard in the scene when this happened. Are
you talking about like the trio?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Spike tries to escape.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no no no no. The
trio so like the Pregnant Lady, uh, the ones that
the Jimmy's like torture before that, and they're like on
their patrol and this one fucking random guy is like,
we gotta take him out because if you see wacks,
it's like, who's shooting at those guys? I'm just gonna
pepper them a little bit, and then goes up to
them stabs and instantly turns and just screams literally taunts
like the whole fucking mob out of the forest, and
then he's running. He's like, don't leave me, go back
and say it's like you fucking did that yourself. Man,
like zero surround and I do.
Speaker 1: And then when Kirkle will die, he'll be like, Craus,
why did you run away? I see your camera because
that's you do the exact same ship where it's like
that's not put.
Speaker 4: A coming down that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just left.
Speaker 3: I left so hard. It's like, what's his plan going
to be here? Like a quick stealth kill. No, literally
just pokes him the shoulder.
Speaker 1: And the thing was clearly walking the other way, like
walking away from them with a broken foot. Just leave
it alone. Just leave thee And which was weird too
to me, like, oh no, I guess she left the premise.
It's like, well, because that's the thing, like Kelly at
one point she leaves and then when she sees ray
fiance on the way, that guy comes back and she
does this unnecessary like are farming, Like let's throw summer.
Speaker 4: It's much necessary I need.
Speaker 2: It's like blood is definitely splattering into your face if
you do that all the time. Yeah, I don't know
how you survive.
Speaker 1: Let's be a little safer. But that same thing, how
did she get out of there? It's a locked door,
so she just climbed over the gate, right, Yeah, it's
just that easy.
Speaker 3: That makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So again those three people in the woods, like even
if they didn't try and stab that one, there were
like five others within, like you know, twenty meters clearly
because they just got swarm right then and there. So
I don't know, they're just they're just everywhere, these infected
they are.
Speaker 3: I love that they're gathering mushrooms like a couple of hobbits.
Speaker 1: Funny, and there's a lot of very Fellowship of the
Ring vibes. At one point they just showed this tree
as like that looks like the tree the group hell
that to hid under from the Ring.
Speaker 4: The ring Ras are running around with the infected in here,
hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Or when when Samson's like tripping out on his fucking morphine,
he's just looking up at the sky and you see
like those leaves, like like the sun comes through the leaves.
I was just like like l Ron's face to come in.
Speaker 1: But just do that without ray Fines, like replacing Butt
ray Fines talking to Samson. He's singing in the next movie.
Speaker 3: If Samson's feeling lost, he just see his father's and
father Kelson calson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the next movie, like they can recreate the
ring raif like riding in the river, but he'll be
the horse and Spike will be or Arwin, So just
come on. The only thing I want to say before
I forget is I really liked in the scene when
the skinny happens and they give the one guy like
the whole thing, like you can be part of the
fingers did and he looked down and he picked that
girl out who was just cross legs and down. I
loved her little acting choices when she looked up because
she looked up, she looked very scared and then she smiled,
so it's like always fucked, and then she looks scared again.
So I liked that I did not have a read
on what this character was gonna do. And even before
they're about to fight, like before the action starts, she
looked very unsure. But then the second she got hit
in Boom was confident and just like kicked his ass.
So I liked that she kind of baited them in.
But it's like that she was happy she did get picked,
but she didn't want to show her whole hand, so
she went back to like, oh no, I'm a little
worried here. So I liked that stuff there. I thought
her death was like a little too long, like the
fact no one would react to just like she's like
she's mom because at that point I thought, oh, something
else happened, like because her eyes are starting to turn right,
so so like did he stab her? Like like I
wasn't sure, but felt like took a took a little
long to get that going. And even then too, like
so the guy have a gas tank and he like
undoes it and then what did he where'd the fire
come from? Because he kicked something.
Speaker 3: I think there's like a candle.
Speaker 1: And he kicked it. Okay, I have that very risky
for him.
Speaker 4: Play a light source in there because it was dark, right,
so something he had.
Speaker 1: Done before, yeah, to have done before the smash ultimate
is gasoline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even even like that hook going into
her head and like the aim and accuracy would take
on that is like insane.
Speaker 1: Like the killer Yeah, I could believe, just not like
you would.
Speaker 2: Think it would like yeah, hit her and knock her
out or something. But the fact that went in like
I don't know, that's super lucky. I guess that she
was sitting right.
Speaker 4: There, solid pointy metal stick.
Speaker 3: Just ye, it was it was very easy. It looked
like one of those moments where you turn and when
she sees it, it's like hit X.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're ready. It picks like fifteen seconds
for the rest of their crew to be like, did
she just get stabbed in the head? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Bro, Both that and the propane gasoline felt like very
quick timy events.
Speaker 4: In a video game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, you know what, like that, I
just said, he should be in there. He should be
impressed by that move. Yeah, it was just so quick
of like like, and I guess the reason I'm hung
up on is he was stabbed several times and he
was like he was he was just laying there like
she was ready to take him. She was gonna assault.
She was gonna assault him on his wrist and yeah,
that right there. I think you're you're so lightheaded, nothing's
happened or anything like that, but like, and she was
about to like he was so out of it. She
was gonna assault and remove the skin off his penis.
But he's still could I guess the drama.
Speaker 4: Would so he's gonna sexually assault him.
Speaker 1: I just assume I taking his pants off, and the
way for me, it was the way she she was,
but the way she straddled.
Speaker 3: Him steal his pants, you just want to steal his pants.
Speaker 1: The way yeah gets steal his pants jumps was getting
bit dirty. The way she the way she straddled him
was very sexual. It's not like a material It was.
Speaker 3: Actually like psychological warfare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a that's still abuse though. If someone's
straddling you naked, if your naked, if kurkling, if someone
takes off, don't know where you're going with this.
Speaker 3: I thought you were insinuated. It's like that was for
sure gonna happen.
Speaker 2: My point is, so he stabs you multiple times and
then takes your pants off, you should be worried. That's
the moment.
Speaker 1: My point is he was so hurt she could have
done anything to him that moment, right. But then cut
to ten seconds later and he's John McCain with like
gas and he's like like I was like that took
me on a bit where And then I guess it
was the heart, but just one little shot, like, oh,
I get it. It was to the heart. It would
kill you. But just like I thought it was, He's
gonna get a bit more of an epic death.
Speaker 3: But just but in that moment too, like why wouldn't
he just like pointed at the other tanks, I get
like a big explosions, like Marty dom that whole facility.
Speaker 1: Well maybe, I guess because he thought his his woman
was up there, so he could just blow her up though, right,
and his child.
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know, just get torture for hours
up there. She really did, though she was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: She's formal a plan, and she found she found an opportunity.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're a pregnant woman, you're out numbered,
and that was definitely the only real opportunity that she had.
Speaker 3: So well, I guess to save them, I would have
dropped down there tornado kick like leon right to the right,
to the head, take them all out.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, back for the while pregnant, I think the
other well, at that point there was I think it
was just six, right.
Speaker 3: Or was there there seven total including Spike and the
Spike wasn't interacting, so there's.
Speaker 4: Spike and Kelly were out, so there was only five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and at that point too, well, she didn't
save anybody, right, so she could just been running away
the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I actually thought that was Spike, like the
one that he chose, because it's just like the one person.
Their mask was like the same too. I'm like, this
is so lucky that Spike's not in this room right now,
because clearly that guy would have chose Spike, like life
or death. I'm taking a little meek child who looks
like he's terrible.
Speaker 4: And they call that out too, right. The guy later,
the other guy later was when he chased him into
the woods. He's like, you know that, if you were
in that room, you would have been picked or whatever.
I pretty sure he throws that at him.
Speaker 3: You're right, I forgot about that.
Speaker 4: But the guy that they kept alive to, you know,
fight the finger, I don't know if I'm in that situation.
Like he just he lunges forward and swings his little
knife forward and gets totally fucked up. He exposes his
whole arm to get grabbed and then just engaged. I
feel like, okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. Here's
here's the thing. Now, this guy obviously has a huge
weight advantage on this chick, So.
Speaker 2: What is you do?
Speaker 4: He used to do a Hail Mary and just throw
all his weight take out her legs and then just
boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1: You know, he is mentally compromised and he has to
fight this woman after he's been hanging for hours. His
arms would be unfucking usable.
Speaker 4: And that's why he's gotta use the weight of his body.
Speaker 1: Just just throw throw weight.
Speaker 4: You gotta throw your weight at her, take her out
by the fucking legs, and then once she's down, you
gotta use your weight as your advantage corner, just like
swing out.
Speaker 1: Of a barrel, throw the hook, like what's gonna do
just wrestling like jumping at her. No, what I do
in that situation, I get the knife. I just run
on Jimmy Crystal and slinden his throw. And that's in
trying my best there. I'm not going for that, just
taking that guy as a fuck you. I'm not doing
this whole rich Fual. I'm like, all right, let's try
what happens here. You you make a bolt for it.
But he was losing that fight no matter what. He
was so weak and mentally compromise. He just watched friends
and family for hours get skinned. Yeah. I thought it
was an option too, and might have been smarter from
the weight, but I guess he.
Speaker 3: Took out quite a few of them, right he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he just like throwing knife at the explosive
barrel blows up the corner.
Speaker 1: And he rolls out of it completely alive, and.
Speaker 2: Then the barrel like the knife into the back of
someone's head. Just zy video game moment.
Speaker 1: And he like jumps off the barrel to get his
pregnant wife. And then as explosion jumps off, they like
jump off together and they puts.
Speaker 2: The skin back on his friends saves them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they take Spike. They find Killian Murphy. Oh, cure's
the virus, say the doctor. They go down to Killy
Murphy stills a storage room. Look at much highnes ketch
up I have.
Speaker 3: For all of you.
Speaker 2: I here comes the new Alpha.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out noes, I got nothing.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think I'm good as well.
Speaker 4: I'm depleted.
Speaker 3: Uh this is what I would have done.
Speaker 2: I throw my weight down.
Speaker 1: I for I hope that at least Apron Cocktail Clay
joining it after nine I'm gonna ask them about TASL
scenario here in twenty.
Speaker 4: Eight years dead weight. Oh you got power behind that?
Clay will know Clay, No, there's he has.
Speaker 1: No way to We'll circle back to know, I need
like one of those like science like MythBusters videos.
Speaker 3: To show or deadlei'st warrior.
Speaker 1: You know he's losing I think.
Speaker 2: In his arms versus who's.
Speaker 3: Never had a fight in his life prob. Yeah, I
guess they were. They were equipped to fight some infected,
but they ran.
Speaker 2: They couldn't kill one infected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just ran.
Speaker 3: Maybe they would have if they had a better strategy
than Old Lou going out there.
Speaker 2: I mean their weapons they're like spears looked pretty.
Speaker 3: That was like level one craft yeah strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like twenty that's like twenty eight nine or
twenty nine days. They're not twenty eight years later.
Speaker 2: That's like the weapon you just find on the ground,
Like that's just everywhere, and you have like twenty of
them in your inventory because they suck someone.
Speaker 1: You start with an Elden ring when you're their first day,
you're like, look, but I got I'll take down whoever
I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's what people using like the challenge runs were like,
I'm gonna use the worst weapon in the game to
beat this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing, all right, Dylan score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna give this A. I'm gonna be generous.
I'm gonna give this a three point eight out of ten. Yeah,
about half of that is from the RAFE just theater
performance scene, and the half just like from the RAF
and Alpha scenes, which had some good stuff there, but
really I didn't like any other stuff, so damn, I
don't think I can give it anything. I don't think
I can pass it. Honestly, I just liked so little
of this movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, jeez, okay, three point eight drop from the first.
Speaker 2: Probably the worst rate and ever for the first movie
I've seen in a year. So I don't know if
that's a good or bad sign for but the what
this year is going to do for me? Oh yeah,
I worded that poorly, but I mean, like, I don't
think the first movie the year has been this savage
for me before.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, this is a tricky one for me.
I definitely less than the first one. No recollection of
what I gave that first one, But I'm feeling I
think I go in eight point five for right now
on this one. On a on an initial viewing, Yeah,
I really really really liked what I liked out of
this movie, and I really didn't like what I didn't
like about this movie, but fortunately there was a lot
more that I did. Like Raife was like just such
a phenomenal Like if I don't have the quality of
an actor of like Ray Fines in that role, I
think this is like a seven, like barely, Like I
think you just bring so much extra Like he shows
so much emotion and just like powerful connection to like
a drugged up alpha that like isn't even talking about
this portion of the movie, like like he's just he's
just killing it on screen with like literally just himself
because he's not he's not dialoguing with anyone, like like
he's interacting with Samson but Samsung is not actually like
he's drugged that for one thing. And he's also still
like a zombie at this moment. You know, Sorry, I'm
not supposed to use that word, but he's he's just
he's just carrying the whole scene on his own and
not even to mention his crazy musical numbers when he's dancing.
He's dancing and singing and just just just vibing to
him with himself throughout the whole movie. But yeah, I know,
I I already mentioned what I really liked about the
Kelly character. Very curious what happens going forward on that.
I I could see her, honestly just being a major
letdown and if we if we get that third movie
for me, because I just feel like it's gonna be
a Killing Murphy show and she's just gonna be like
a very sign character in comparison to what she already
was in this movie. That's kind of like my fear
for it.
Speaker 4: But I hope not.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I hope they evolve and her and
Spike both be a lot more interesting than they were
in here. You know, she was more relevant that Spike
was in this movie for me at least. But I
hope they both aren't just forgotten because you were bringing in,
you know, Robert or Oppenheimer for the for the third
one War Winner.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of they were like.
Speaker 3: Talking when they're talking about like sorry totally side tagicle.
When Killy Murphy's talking to his daughter Sam at the
end and they're like going over a history of World
War World War Two, I'm like, are they gonna say Oppenheimer? Ay,
gonna do? I'm glad they didn't because that would have
been very corny and cheesy, but yeah, part of me
thought they might have.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting because I think
there's you can make a case for Kelly and Spike
being main characters, but you could also make case that
the third one is just gonna be what they did
with Ray Fines right, where those characters will be around,
but kill and Murphy will be the lead. And I
have two minds. I like those characters, but at the
same time killing or we start this whole show right.
Speaker 2: Or just random new characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote it down to see what's he's out
just walking the earth, you know, So right now, I'm
gonna give this a nine point two five. Came in
a nine point five. We talked about a few things
that are definitely natives and then a few things they
need to think of a rewatch, so I think. So
I was back and forth between the nine point five
and the nine. So it's well, right now, just play
safety the nine point two five. I don't think with
any rewatches I could get to the heights of the
first one. But there's just just love the world, love
the characters they've created, and I just really hope that
third one can, at least if you can hit the
nine like structure even eight point five. I guess. I
guess I'm happy now with Killy, and I feel like
I expect then they have to do that. Dan Boyle
will be back, and yeah, I just love the new
lore they add to this franchise. It just doesn't feel
like they're playing it safe and they're always doing something
new and fun and expressive. So yeah, that's where I man.
I don't think it could drop low nine, but maybe
who knows wants to rewatch, but I don't think so.
I had a really good time this. Loved law of
the themes, loved all of the characters, loved all of
the moments. The acting was top notch. Not any great
like technical stuff that I could think of like twenty
eight days later or twenty eight years later, but I
just just beautiful shots in general. So yeah, that's where
I am for now. A nine point two five tear
Field and it's off for the night.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean it's no doubt. This is an
easy ten out of ten for me. I really really
enjoyed it. It was just weird and zany and had
some things that I was not expecting, and I'm I
guess The biggest pillar for me is that I was
going in thinking it was gonna be one thing based
on this trailer, and from what I saw on the trailer,
it was hard to kind of allocate where things are
gonna be placed and how it was going to kind
of stack up. But everything worked well for me. I
really enjoyed it, and I feel like it just kind
of it tied to the first one well, it tied
to the overall universe well, and it just has put
us into just this nice little box with a bow
on top for what part three is going to be like.
And I can't wait. I really really can't wait. And
I hope that I get surprised again, and I hope
that they tackle a lot of other cool, bold things
in there too, and they wrap it up again in
a good little trilogy. Uh yeah, so you have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're lucky they're getting a trilogy, I'd say. So.
I feel like you got to yap it up in
the whatever this next one's called, you.
Speaker 3: Know, So.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, we have done it. That is
your review for twenty eight days later The Bone Temple.
As we said there, is after nights weekend, so we'll
talk about a little bit there. Obviously I don't know.
I think this will get a whole dedicated channel, but
always drop the spoiler tag and talk about on the discord,
and yeah, we'll see what people's opinions are because obviously
the first one I think a lot of people loved,
but still had some some varying degrees of choices that
made were made that people made didn't love. So we'd
love to hear whether it's here Patreon, the comments Discord,
love to hear thoughts. Hope you enjoy this view when
you hear from us next time, it will not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye bye, good night bye,