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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome to the six hundred and eighty

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sixth episode of The Geek for his podcast. I am

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the Sign of the Beast. Tressed now, oh, the sign

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of the Best fuck, sign of the Best, Sign of

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the Beast late now of course, why why.

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Speaker 2: I thin guess what you're going for?

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Speaker 3: No Sign the Beast is true too, because I am

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the iodine demon Kirks.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dylan Muss.

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Speaker 4: I am the Moon taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen. He sounded like the too long guy,

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too long the moon, like he would be saying that,

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But yes, we are here somehow in a twenty eight

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weeks later from the last one. We uh, we haven't

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even done Golden Geeks yet. It's I mean, we very

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much loved that first one, so we haven't got talked

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about it in that sense when were doing the first one.

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We're already here reviewing the second one, aka twenty eight

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years later the Bone Temple. As you usual, we're gonna

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do what we do, but in case you are new,

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we'll give you about ten to fifteen minutes. Nonspoils thoughts

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are recommendations that will give a quick break and then

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we'll get right in a spoiler. So if you've seen it,

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you're safe to buckle up. If you haven't stopped the car,

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come back later, take a little p outside, then sit down.

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Did you guys get the trailer? You guys get the

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passenger trailer tonight?

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Speaker 4: Oh man?

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Speaker 1: Oh, you guys should watch it one point. No, maybe

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wait till next news or on Tuesday and do the

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town hall. Bring it up, Taylor, that trailer got tailor good?

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Speaker 4: Set me up?

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Speaker 3: Oh like scary?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, there's a clear obvious jump chair that

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jump scared the trailer is gonna do and it does it.

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And Taylor was.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh no, I didn't. I didn't read it. I

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didn't say I thought the whole first part of the

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trailer it felt like like a short indie film and

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I was like, I'm eating this up. This is hilarious,

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Speaker 3: I got a trailer for The bread Winner, which I'd

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never seen before, and it literally felt like a fake movie.

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It's if you haven't seen the trailer, watch it. It

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is such a strange time. It feels like it's set

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up to be like an R rated comedy, but then

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it sets. Then it keeps going and it seems like

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it's gonna be like a wholesome, heartwarming Like it's just

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it's just the weirdest trailer I think I've seen in

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recent memory, Like I don't know what they're going for.

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Speaker 2: At one point.

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Speaker 3: I barey laughed at the beginning, and then and then

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it kept going, and I'm like, what the fuck am

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I watching right now? Like this is such a strange trailer.

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So I was waiting for some big bomb to drop on,

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like what the reveal is? I don't know, Alien's taken over. No,

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it's just a very weird looking movie. Uh, lead never

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heard of them before. But there's a lot of like

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people that I've recognized the supporting stand up of the

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Speaker 1: Well, there you go if you like that little tease.

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On Tuesday, we will be doing a GV episode which

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we'll cover a little bit of news, but it will

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most be the town Hall. So if you see a

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the results and some ideas. I'm scheduling stuff like that

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on Tuesday. We always like to hear back from all

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of you, and there's some good stuff in there, luckily

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bringing all the positive thank you. So yeah, it's completely

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anonymous as well, so if you do have a critique,

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never know who you are. So check out that. Lots

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of other good stuff on the feed. Movie draft, video

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Speaker 3: Sweet you ready, Kirkle, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: So the feeds are juicing. The feeds are, even though

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it's January, is juicing, just like Patreon. But we'll talk

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about how much juice Patron has a little bit later.

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First we're gonna talk about twenty years later the Bone Temple.

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I'm gonna start with the man who saw it first

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earlier this afternoon, mister muss.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I didn't have to start first. I'm

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still still gathering my thoughts, still collecting my thoughts here,

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but overall, man I really did not vibe with this

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movie much at all. Rarely am I in the theater

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and I'm like, I wish I was not here, And

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if it weren't for the review, I might have walked out.

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I was so bored for like ninety percent of this movie.

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just nothing was latching onto me here. You know, there's

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of the Indian stuff with it. But for the most

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part I was kind of roped in for that one.

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like didn't do it for me. I think the biggest

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hit for me on this movie is like twenty eight

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Days and twenty eight years Later, both like really stylish

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movies in like very different ways. Twenty eight weeks later

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not as much style, a little more generic in that way.

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like it has like that creative touch put on it.

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and I think it's just like it's a rough back

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to back. I like the Marvels enough, you know, it's

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not my favorite marvel movie by any means, but I

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think it's like rough to pick up on these series

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from other people and to have to do something with it.

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done that, but I think with these two was kind

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of a package deal. I think that's why Danny Boyle

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didn't come back, because it would have been kind.

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Speaker 2: Of to do that and post and yeah, I mean

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because to me it felt like this was maybe rushed

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care and love put into it. Like there's one cool,

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weird like iPhone shot, but then everything else like just

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and Years. So kind of disappointed in that way. I mean,

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our main guy from the last freaking movie has like

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twenty eight words in this whole movie, Like, what is

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impression so far from a couple of our patrons over

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Speaker 2: Who's directing it?

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Speaker 1: I think Danny Boyle is supposed to be directing it.

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I'm in Okay, there you go, Dan Boyle, we'll return.

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So Kirkham Pats are you're returning twenty years later? What

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the forest. I didn't rewatch twenty years later, but I

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this really wasn't what I was expecting out of this movie.

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a whole, but like in this movie in particular, even

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just comparing it to last movie, it's got some weird stuff.

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just some very weird stuff in here. And honestly, I

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was fucking vibing with it. I totally understand where you

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long is this movie? Like I actually was having those moments.

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a ray fines Man like, if he doesn't got an oscar,

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you should have an oscar for this performance. He's given

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it all. I feel like there's some like historical war

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movie that he was that he was in and that maybe.

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Speaker 1: The constant gardner. I feel like he got it for No,

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he's only been nominated for three never never won. So

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Oscar I still hold that, but Ray Funds is right

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Speaker 3: He's doing so much in this movie, and I like,

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this I'm gonna say of like the New franchise, Like

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that first movie he was a hit and no pee pick,

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but in this one he's like very much the lead. Yeah, Spike.

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that first title. It is a very interesting just shift

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from that first movie. But I at the end of

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I'm excited to break it down with you guys, because Yeah,

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there's some wild stuff in here. And I think, like

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the one critique I can say, like non spoilery is

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like too much Jimmy for me in this movie in particular,

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like that there's a yeah, I don't want to say,

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the end of that first movie, which is like right

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these like crazy wackos, and I'm like, I don't know,

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there's there's there's more of them in this one. Yeah. Yeah,

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to reveal too much about the Jimmy's there. But uh yeah,

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my Alpha Samson's looking as good as ever in this one.

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Speaker 1: I was worried probably for the first fifteen minutes of

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the movie. They were covering them up a laws like,

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Speaker 3: At one point?

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Speaker 4: You know the spoilers, but there were shrinkings. I was

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gonna say, I feel like, I don't I have to

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watch the first thing, right, It's like that's stuff. This

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one definitely, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Man, There's one scene He's sitting down next to a

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certain character and I'm like, that member is bigger than

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that guy's in time. That's true, like it is huge.

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Speaker 1: Depends whether it was probably some coold nights this shoot.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know, but it was rainy at one point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just worried because I felt the

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fifth first fifteen that there's a lot of bushes covering

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a lot of shots and oh they probably like saw

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people talking on the first one. I'm like, oh, that's

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too much cock. But luckily they came.

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Speaker 2: Right back to get a zoom the bush all right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down down for the next one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think like the crescendo of this movie, UH really

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delivered for me. I was I was juicing. So there

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you go. That's my overall thoughts right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Taylor, how's your bush doing?

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Speaker 4: Uh? My bush is just thick ready to go. This

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this movie. I really really loved it. Uh it's already

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inside forces, this is that, And then here you just

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because that's a spoiler, but it expands on one part

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of just the big, the you know thing in the room,

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or what they're gonna do. But I just I like

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with Jimmy. It was just a damn good time. But yeah,

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it really caught me off guard. And there's lots of

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that kind of story. It's like, okay, how does this

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twenties or whatever twenty eight franchise, it's always something different

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what we're gonna do what was gonna happen, Like at

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some we don't. So it always keep me on my

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toes and I'm very excited. We won't talk about in full,

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I love this world. I love the characters. I love

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the most. I could understand why Kirkland saying if you're

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I fucking love it. I am fully between sinners of this.

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Jack O'Connell in March un Tress told you I'm doing

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the March Madness Best Actors currently he's one of the

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thirty two. I'm telling you I'm put him on there.

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The patrons are going to decide he's won the thirty

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two because this guy he is so good and between

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sinners and then this the versatility of playing villains but

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being completely different. I think ray Fine's it. Honestly, ray Finds,

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like it's a one A one B with him and

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Jack O'Connell. And yeah, the ray Fine story is great.

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How things come together are great, and I yeah, I

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think I have some questions. I think most of the

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negative stuff is around Spike. Nothing about the performance. I

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think it's just a few choices and character things, and

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I can put against twenty eight weeks later. I'd have

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to watch that again. I remember just kind of being

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uninspired with that one. But I'd say, as far as

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had very The last one. The first one, twenty eight

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years later just had I'm just gonna call it that

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and call this bone temple, just to keep it straight here.

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effect again, it was like this red filter and you

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saw their eyes. It was very scary and creepy. Or

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about that before when we saw the cameras, like what's

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gonna happen, and then when they did it, it was like, Wow,

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that's impressive. I was kind of surprised there. I guess

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it's my sports if you enjoyed that none of those

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type of shots or in this movie that something happens

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different angles. I was like, I was surprised because I

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thought this movie was still shot on a iPhone fifteen

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there would I guess you'd tell

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me in spoilers, but I just the reason I just

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was because in the last movie they wouldn't pop off

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with it, but it felt like every twenty five minutes

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you'd get one of those. And it definitely, i'd say,

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from a technical side, did not feel as strong, but

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there's great characters and at this point as long as

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Al's Garland is writing them, and I like need to

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Costa Marvels was fine, but I really liked Candy Man

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and I haven't seen her newest film Head. I gotta

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still check it out, but I generally like her work.

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As long as Alice Garland's writing these, they would never

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do this, but if they said, hey, we're making ten

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of these, I'd be completely fine. Like there is aspects

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of this, and maybe that's part of the negative. With

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the Spike characters, this could just be an anthology in

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the world, but I like that. I like what Taya said.

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connuity and the main virus, which are interesting. And yeah,

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I get the Jimmy stuff, but I really enjoyed the

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Jimmy stuff, so yeah, I was. I was pretty much

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all here for it. So maybe not the heights of

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the first one, but still great. I'm still very happy

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and I'm just again ready ready, just like last year,

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Second Ascended. If there was a theater beside me playing

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twenty years later, Pat Part three, I'd be walking right in.

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I'd be ready to go. I'd begin a bag of

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corn is like, Hey, let's see what's happening next. I

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so far just love these movies where the original two

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do we want to go with this first? Do we

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want to go? Are we gonna attackle? This story by

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story pauses negatives. How we're gonna go because the room's different,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: I'll jump in. I want to hear you guys, tell

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me what you love about Jimmy the main main head

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haunch o Jimmy, because for me, this is a character

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that really the only emotion that came away with was

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just like cringe, not like the good Nathan Fielder cringe,

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but just like cringing the stuff that's going on. But like,

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is he funny? Is he charismatic, intimidating?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is it that you like about this character?

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you say he remind you a lot about

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you yourself, right, so you can start.

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Speaker 4: I could I could really connect with him on a

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side level. No, don't say that.

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Speaker 3: I found out. So Jimmy Crystal is supposed to be

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based off of Jimmy Saville. The way, I had no

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idea who that was. Apparently it's like terrible sexual predator

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or something from anything.

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Speaker 1: I've given you this information a few times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I got goldfish brain, so you might

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have to remind me again in the next movie. But

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still found that out my little YouTube breakdown shouts out

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to that guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So the character I what I really enjoyed with.

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Speaker 1: Him was that, by the way, shout out, you're shouting

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out the YouTube guy, right, not Jimmy Saville, when you're like,

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shout of that guy, Like I'm gonna clarify for correctly

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before that gets clipped out of charity.

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Speaker 3: Charity for that guy.

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Speaker 4: Charity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like when it comes to this character, I enjoyed his

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his his lack of confidence and belief and like, no,

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I can't even say that because he believed it, but

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then he like doubted it at the same time, Like

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there was just this conflicting like turmoil that he had.

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I again, that was just where I was really eating

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it up because just the way he's moving and sizing

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up Rafe's character and just like like like trying to

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interpret and interrogate what's going on. Like I like that,

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and I like just how charismatic he is too. Like

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while you can see like in the previous scene where

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he's with the whole little community and that building and

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they're just having dinner at the table like, if you know,

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the tension is there, and you can feel the survivor's

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point of view how things are tense, but at the

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same time he's super chill, he's charismatic and and I

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like that a lot, and I like how he just

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has this dystopian, fucked up point of you based on

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this one brief scene of how he survived and his

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father was just a holy man, a religious man, and

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it just totally got warped and distorted. And I that's

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something that I kind of enjoy seeing in these post

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apocalyptic movies, is when you have usually some person who's

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very religious ended up turning it upside down, and it

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I saw father Nick, and he's like what And he's

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just thinking in his head. You can tell when you're retrospective,

473
00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,240
like he's trying to think, how am I gonna spin

474
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,279
this in my favor? But at the same time, it's like, Okay,

475
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,599
maybe this is really him. And it's like his own

476
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,599
lie is kind of turning into his own like a

477
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,240
reality for him, and it's it's just this weird kind

478
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:52,279
of inner turmoil that I really really liked with the

479
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,160
character on top of the actor just dishing out a

480
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,319
fantastic performance. I really like that, and I liked even

481
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,039
better with that chair on top when Ray sees that

482
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,680
it's uh, it's Spike and gives this last command and

483
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:09,359
Jimmy's just like, oh, no, no more commands, no more.

484
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: No.

485
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 4: He was just he was so fucking good with that,

486
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,240
and I was just eating that up. So yeah, I

487
00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,079
just think it was It was awesome. And you have

488
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,519
to think too, when you're looking at his character, who

489
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,759
is just subject really to Teletubby's and the TV and

490
00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:30,119
it probably has no other real memory of things in

491
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,640
the world from the past too, And that's something that

492
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,039
he talks to to Ian about as well, just the

493
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:38,000
world beyond how Ian's talking about, like, oh, you know,

494
00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:41,319
I remember like computers and and different things in order

495
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,079
and grocery stores, fridges, all that stuff, et cetera. And

496
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,119
so when he's asking Ian to put on a show

497
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,519
otherwise he'll kill him, and I just think like, okay,

498
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,440
that's we'll talk about the show and everything later. But

499
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,319
just dealing with the music and just the effects and

500
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,400
everything that you have to think too, like, okay, like

501
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,640
this is something that Jimmy has never seen before, and

502
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,319
the other Jimmy's too, like they've grown up in this world.

503
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,759
They've never seen anything like this either, or probably no

504
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,680
half the ship that he's whipping out like with like

505
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680
the the speaking on the speaker and then the music,

506
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,039
you know, shout out to Iron Maiden and all this

507
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,519
kind of stuff. Like it's just that was something else

508
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,720
that really wowed me with this character, because he's just

509
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,960
like taking this in. You know, he's getting drugged when

510
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:31,720
you know he blows the fairy dust. Oh yeah, just

511
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:33,160
totally just fucking women.

512
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: What a couple of weeks. Wait till he gets back home, Like,

513
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,319
what happened to you while you're out there? Oh Dad,

514
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,839
you wouldn't believe stuff went?

515
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was just all in all, I'm just

516
00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:46,960
I'm super super just high off that character. He was

517
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,920
just it was it was just crazy. And every time

518
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,519
he's just trying to one up like oh you know

519
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,680
charity or you can replace one of my fingers and whatnot.

520
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680
It's just it's yeah, it's just some crazy shit, crazy shit.

521
00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:01,759
I just it's distorted, just warped belief that was taken

522
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:04,720
from something that's supposed to be good and it's just it,

523
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,279
it's just, yeah, just got fucked up and he just

524
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,079
his own lie kind of bit him in the ass

525
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:11,920
and fucked him over at the end, and I just

526
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,039
I like the irony in that.

527
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I can go because I don't know

528
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,000
if Kirklan likes Jimmy or was just over all the

529
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,079
Jimmy's But I think for me, I just I look

530
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,079
at him as like a I don't know how to

531
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,720
describe this, but a somewhat bad not acting wise, but

532
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,799
a bad version of Jack Sparrow, where Jack Sparrow is

533
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,799
very intelligent and has a lot of luck, but there

534
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,480
is kind of an a loo foolishness to him, and

535
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,359
that's Jimmy. And I think the reason he can get

536
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,880
away with that is because all these people are lost,

537
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,359
or maybe they're not the brightest people. He's came it like,

538
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,440
all these people are very violent, so I don't think

539
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960
many of them are smart. Think Kelly had some you know,

540
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,720
free thought. Obviously Spike kind of did. We'll get into that.

541
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,559
I have some issues with the Spike character in the middle,

542
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,119
as far as some choices there that I just didn't

543
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,440
with the timeline, didn't really match up to me. But

544
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,079
I think for yeah, act why it's very charismatic. I

545
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,720
like that he was not They never tried to sympathize

546
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,839
with him too much. Like even with the conversation with

547
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,039
the doctor, he was just giving his perspective. And I

548
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,160
like that perspective of the doctor also comes from this

549
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,319
virus is a place of Yeah, from a place of science,

550
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,519
and I'll say his views the story, but he's coming

551
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,400
from it from a view of belief or religion, which

552
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,160
many people would do, right, So I liked that different

553
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,200
belief system. I thought he I thought he carried himself

554
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,000
very well in all the scenes as far as being

555
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,559
a fine line of that dark comedic humor but then

556
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,119
also intimidating. I definitely specify probably the dinner table scene

557
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,279
when everyone's in around and just that little moment when

558
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,559
the woman asking, oh, youre gonna leave? Oh, absolute, we're

559
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,599
gonna leave after we kill you, and it's just the

560
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,599
quick tone shifts he can do. Really bugged me that

561
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,039
for some reason they had that guy just sort of

562
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,599
the boiling pot of water on the table, Like why

563
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,480
not just like kill off one of the Jimmy's in

564
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,279
that moment there, Like they don't have to take Jock O'Connell,

565
00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:56,799
But like, why is he throwing the water on the

566
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:57,319
to just like.

567
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: I like several people with it, and it gives it

568
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,720
everyone everyone in an advantage in the room to like, yeah.

569
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,839
Speaker 1: How to go call the advantage? Go?

570
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,039
Speaker 4: They all focus, they're all weaken, they're all weak, and

571
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:06,880
they're not fighters.

572
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: Right, I'd say, take out one what you do hot

573
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,480
water on the other, hit the other one the hot thing,

574
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,839
and try at least like take out what it did. Nothing.

575
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:15,759
It was so frustrating this mone because I was like.

576
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: Ohm, alone tactic, is it really gonna kill anyone.

577
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: In this world? I would hope so? But No, to me,

578
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,000
it was his presence. And yeah, I liked what Tay

579
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:27,000
said where to me it is the thing of he

580
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,519
I thought the whole way through, okay. And the other

581
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,440
thing I liked about him just acting wise in casewise,

582
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,440
he very much sounded like a pastor, which I think

583
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,720
is a very good idea to do in this route.

584
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,039
Like when he's doing his speeches, his hand motions and

585
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:41,079
his comparisons very biblical, very much. If you go to

586
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,039
church on Sunday, it's a good pastor you're gonna be

587
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,680
getting that same type of vibe, right, so you can

588
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,559
find why he would get those lost souls. I think

589
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,160
for me, I liked that for the first act, I thought, Okay,

590
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,960
this is called kind of bullshit to him. But then

591
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,640
they reverted back to that first movie where when he

592
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,759
talked to his dad, and his dad he gave him

593
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,200
this whole speech about like, oh, it's you know, the

594
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,480
reckoning and that's what's coming for us. That actually an

595
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,960
impact on it. It wasn't just oh yeah, I'm gonna use this.

596
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,599
There's a bit of them that believes that these things

597
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,599
aren't just as signs fire as they're devils. There's things

598
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960
that have been torn by God or religion or whatever

599
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,920
it may be. So I like that when they Kelly

600
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,559
was like, oh yeah, old Nicks out there. He played

601
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,440
it off, and I thought the whole time he was

602
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,200
just playing off because that's part of his scheme, but

603
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,720
there was part of him that believed it. So that

604
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,599
to me is where that jack sparrowness comes in, where

605
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:29,519
there's a bit of them that is aloof and I

606
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:31,119
kind of like that, and then I think that also

607
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,000
makes them dangerous. But he was still smart enough to

608
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,200
make this deal with Ray Fines. But then obviously it

609
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,880
bit him in the ass because Ray finds it was

610
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,559
having a crisis of conscious. So yeah, no, I liked everything.

611
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,559
I maybe when I watched it again, but I had

612
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:48,000
no critiques of the Jimmy Crystal character, particularly motivations and

613
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,279
all the scenes with them and brutal villain like terrible

614
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,519
things like that skinning scene was just brutal. Man. That

615
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,480
that stuff that I thought when they cut away, like okay,

616
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,920
we're gonna see a little bit it and we go

617
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,680
back to those bodies and they're just sitting there.

618
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: It's like jeez, and they're still like their eyes are open,

619
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,400
like they're still alive.

620
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: They got burnt. Then after they got burnt, something live,

621
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:07,440
they got no skin there.

622
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, you know, didn't use the boiling water properly.

623
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,880
We exactly maximize as advantage there.

624
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

625
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of forgot it was Jack O'Connell in this.

626
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,680
Uh So when I saw him in the credits, I'm like,

627
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,559
oh fuck, there's no way he's the main Jimmian. Sure

628
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:27,160
enough he is. I think I was let down, like

629
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,680
for the first chunk, I think until we get the

630
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,920
scene with him and Raife Like that's when it kind

631
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
of won me over, like I've just seen because at first,

632
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
I'm like, is this just some psycho that just wants

633
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,680
to murder people? Like is that just his motivation the

634
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440
whole movie? And it just seems like that kind of

635
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,359
is it, Like it's just some sadists that just loves

636
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,160
watching people get tortured And there wasn't more to that

637
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,519
I liked. I like the scene when yeah, he's like,

638
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,119
it's not so much like oh fuck, they they think

639
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,759
they found Saint Nick. My my ploy is up. He's like, Okay,

640
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,920
let's actually see this guy, Like like is this actually

641
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,839
who I'm seeing in my head? Because like he would right,

642
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:09,359
like if your dad was some zombie cultist religious dude

643
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,799
and like you just see that happen your whole family

644
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,519
dies at like eight years old or whatever age, he

645
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,599
was like, that would fuck with your brain for life.

646
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160
So like I do believe that he's actually hearing Saint

647
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:20,000
Nick in his head, right, like he's just hearing like

648
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,640
he's probably schizophrenic, Like he's just hearing his dead father

649
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
in his head because he's just so going through his

650
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,559
own psychosis. You know, maybe doctor Ian could have helped

651
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,880
him with that if he was a little more willing

652
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,079
to work out with that. But I love the sequence

653
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,920
of him like yeah, like questioning his own belief and

654
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,079
like like really having that. I was gonna say heart

655
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,279
to heart more of just like a sit down conversation

656
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,319
with Ian and like.

657
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Just sounds like a hard heart though, which to me

658
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,160
was impressive after they just skinned all these people. I

659
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,720
was never rooting for him, be like, oh, there's a

660
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920
good guy here, but just the way he betrayed himself,

661
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,680
just like, oh, I'm another lost soult here and oh, okay,

662
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,519
I'm in the demonic stuff until he starts to make

663
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:59,440
the turn in the ends, like.

664
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,119
Speaker 3: He's like I'm talking to you, you know, like you

665
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,920
might be the first person I've ever actually like like

666
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680
I did like all of that. Those conversations performance was

667
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,359
really good too. Those fucking nasty teeth they gave him

668
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
just so disgusting and somebody just close up shots of

669
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:18,960
nasty people's Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. So I

670
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,400
did kind of come around to the character, but it

671
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,640
would have just been in that snippet of like when

672
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240
he when he goes to the bone temple, uh, like

673
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,480
that he just yeah, like he he is a con man.

674
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,799
It's like, Okay, you're not the devil, but like I

675
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,759
still have to have ultimate control, so you have to

676
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:38,599
basically pretend that you are. And yeah, I did like that. Uh,

677
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920
just like patheticness to him, like when you find that

678
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,359
out of like he realizes like what this is and

679
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,759
he's actually I feel like he in his head like

680
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,640
wants to deny what Ian's saying, but at the end

681
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,920
of the day, like it makes sense what he's saying, Like, Okay,

682
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640
this isn't the devil, like like you really believe that

683
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,400
it comes from maggots and and viruses, like like he's

684
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
just there's no way shape or for him in his

685
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,079
head does he believe that was the case. It's like no,

686
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,400
this is actually just the apocalypse, like Satan has actually

687
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,160
come and and we're here to just spread his his

688
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,680
his dark religion across the land. So I did kind

689
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
of like finding out about that and like what the

690
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,640
root well we already we already knew what the root

691
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,880
cause was it, but more so just his interpretation of it.

692
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:30,039
So I grew to like the character there for the Jimmies, though,

693
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480
I I feel like I just it's it's yeah, it

694
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,839
is brutal. Like I I understand, I'm not gonna say

695
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:37,599
take those scenes out, but like that's just not what

696
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,680
I like to watch. It reminds me of like Devil's

697
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,359
Rejects pretty much when they're just like just torturing these

698
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,319
people in the that's the movie, right, the rob Zombie one.

699
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,319
Speaker 1: Well, there's two. I don't know what you are talking about,

700
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,200
but there's that, or there's those characters.

701
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,559
Speaker 3: You know, they're just those just locked ups like, yeah,

702
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,960
they just did murder torture people, and that's the vibe

703
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,400
I was getting, and uh it, yeah, maybe it's just

704
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,400
it's just it's hard for me to I was ee

705
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,559
my popcorn when they're getting played alive, and I'm like,

706
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:04,519
this is just disgusting.

707
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 1: I didn't today.

708
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:11,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was like a fist in as fucking Alpha.

709
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,079
Alpha's eating the brains and I'm like, this is not

710
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960
paring well right now. And it's like very visual like

711
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,680
zooming of like the human brains he's eating. But I digress.

712
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,960
But yeah, I know, I think it was just like, Okay,

713
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,319
these characters are fucked and there's just a lot of them.

714
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,440
If you like those types of fucked up characters awesome.

715
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,279
This movie has a lot of that. It just seemed

716
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:36,279
like a little bit too much. Now that being said, Honestly,

717
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,640
my favorite character in this entire movie was actually Kelly.

718
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,839
I think she was such a such an interesting asterisk

719
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,000
because like, I really had no idea what her motivation

720
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,079
was like throughout the entire film, Like I wasn't sure

721
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:48,680
if she was like just going along with it but

722
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,839
like actually very sane, but then it like it very

723
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,079
much feels like she is believing somewhat what Jimmy's saying,

724
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,519
like like or she's more thinking that this is the

725
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:02,000
apocalypse and Satan is real and he is causing this,

726
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,119
but Jimmy's kind of like the false prophet. So I

727
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,960
just love the layers and how that was kind of

728
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920
being revealed, And it seemed like she was always kind

729
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
of a guardian angel to to Spike, but then there's

730
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
moments that he's looking at her like he's the prey

731
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,359
and she's like the prayer. So it was just such

732
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,480
an interesting dynamic and really really happy that character made

733
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,559
it out and I'm I'm hoping to be able to

734
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,920
see uh more of her and in a dynamic nature

735
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,039
because it was just hard to pin what was going

736
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,680
on with that particular characters, Like all the other Jimmy's

737
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160
are just fucked up and weird and theyre's psychos, but

738
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,559
her is just like the one I don't know, just

739
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,079
wild and Jake Suley and the avatar. It's like the

740
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:38,680
one that that's different than all the others.

741
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,039
Speaker 4: That's the actress from Solo, And so.

742
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: The whole time her, Yeah, and then I was like

743
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,039
I thinks are very recognizable.

744
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I was. I really wanted just like

745
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,759
maybe one or two more conversations between her and Spike,

746
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,039
because we see like there's even like that during the

747
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,640
barn sequence, get cuts away from the fire and they're

748
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,480
sitting out there and it's kind of like, oh, yeah,

749
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,640
they've just had a conversation or something, and now like okay,

750
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,679
now the barn's burning down and we're gonna go into

751
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,800
that scene. But yeah, I think I just needed a

752
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,119
couple more sequences, which would have fixed up a lot,

753
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,440
because as we talked about, like Spike isn't where to

754
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,800
be found in this movie, I wanted to hear more

755
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,639
of his point of view, but then also like build

756
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,760
up their bond a bit, because really the only actual,

757
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,039
like tangible thing to see their bond is that she

758
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,480
like chases them down in the woods and saves them

759
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,519
from that other guy, and I guess like in the

760
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,239
ending sequence, but that's just a very chaotic sequence overall,

761
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,800
like with the ray fines and the doing his his

762
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,239
performance bit. So yeah, I guess we'll get a lot

763
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480
of that in the third one, since they're running away together.

764
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,800
But yeah, I definitely needed a bit more because yeah,

765
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,159
she seemed like the only one who actually had like

766
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,199
any agency and like actually was a human, whereas the

767
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,599
other ones just felt like caricature, like classic cult goon

768
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,679
number two, three four in the movie kind of thing.

769
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,639
Speaker 1: Which is weird too because it feels like like I

770
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,360
don't know this, but I would assume this active. They

771
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,679
least skinned the three people and then they left. That

772
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,760
fourth one also, the fight happens, but I feel like

773
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,639
that's probably taken a while, and it didn't look like

774
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,320
those Jimmies were being fast about it. They're going not

775
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,000
no haste, So I felt like that's probably like a

776
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,559
perfect time that you could have those people like talk

777
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,480
Spike and Kelly, like there's time to pass, but just

778
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,480
felt like he's thrown up. She's He's like, I don't

779
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,280
want to go back in there, and she says you don't,

780
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,039
which I thought was odd because you would think that

781
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,199
like Jimmy Crystal would say no, he's at least gonna

782
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,679
watch this. You know. That felt like a disconnected me

783
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,119
that why does she Because then at first now does

784
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,280
see the whole movie. I thought, Okay, is she like

785
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,039
sleeping with Jimmy Crystal or do they have more of

786
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,840
a connection where it's kind of okay, he does roll

787
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,920
over the Jimmies, but there's something between those two. That's

788
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,639
why she could tell Spike Okay, you can set out here.

789
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,880
It's fine. That never really got addressed. Also, the other

790
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,519
thing that was weird too when they because I don't

791
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,880
want to forget about this. They originally I thought one

792
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840
to go see old Nick to get like a like

793
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,039
a full I don't know, well, a conclusion or whatever

794
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,400
on Spike right, because they're like yeah, And then when

795
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,599
it happened that didn't come up at all. Because I

796
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,159
thought that was gonna be a thing. I thought they

797
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,679
were gonna pull the mask off, and that's when he

798
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,079
seemed be oh no, you're he's fine, he's safe, But

799
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,159
didn't they he did his three commands, then they were

800
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,920
leaving and we'll get the other stuff, which I did

801
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,159
like the scene escalate, but it was weird that never

802
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,000
came up again. Even with the other Jimmy's, they're like, well,

803
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,679
didn't we come here to see old Nick just because

804
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,440
of the kids. Obviously they were blown away, so they

805
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,559
probably end on cocaine, so they probably weren't thinking about it.

806
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess maybe it was just like

807
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,559
because he had Jimmy, Like, after he had that conversation,

808
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,159
he was like, Okay, this is how I'm gonna spin this,

809
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,000
so that's why, like I'm gonna change it. And like

810
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,320
he's specifically said to his team like you're not allowed

811
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,760
to say anything, so that's true, shutting them down preemptively.

812
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
But yeah, I think you know, all all you guys said,

813
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:47,760
all the stuff you guys said with Jimmy, you know

814
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,320
all valid stuff. I wish I could be there there

815
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,719
with you on it. I think the one thing I'll

816
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,960
push back on is like the charisma angle of the character,

817
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,159
because I just feel like we didn't really see much

818
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:00,800
of that. Like I think that It would have been

819
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,280
really interesting if that sequence at the farm with all

820
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,559
the people like had that angle to it, Like obviously

821
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,679
everyone in that room was terrified of him, and none

822
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,760
of them were like wanting to join his cult or anything,

823
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,440
which I don't think that's like what his goal was

824
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,760
in that moment, but we definitely didn't see it there.

825
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,679
I mean, Ray finds it. I don't think he was

826
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,599
like putting the wheels on him. I think Rafe was

827
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,440
just like, Okay, I gotta protect myself, and the best

828
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,719
way to do it is just to go along with

829
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,800
this crazy guy's plan and then he'll leave me alone

830
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,119
kind of thing. I guess the only case would be

831
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920
obviously has like his his cronies with him, but even

832
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,880
then it feels like he's constantly undermining them or pissing

833
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,000
them off, Like obviously that one girl was like seemingly

834
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,199
planning to like turn on him at some point, and

835
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,599
then when he just let that other cult members like

836
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,599
friend die in the pool sequence, it seemed like that

837
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:43,639
created some like disdain there, but we didn't really see that.

838
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,639
So I guess the big evidence for me would be

839
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,519
like with Spike, because I really cannot put a reason together.

840
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,199
Why Spike stuck around with him for so long? He

841
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,079
had so many opportunities to leave, and so really the

842
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,360
only evidence I have is that something about Jimmy's charisma

843
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,239
is able to pull him in. But really we only

844
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,800
get that one sequel after the barn situation when he

845
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
you know, go when when Spike chases the girl, the

846
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,960
pregnant lady, she escapes, he comes back and then they

847
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,000
have that conversation there like maybe maybe during that sequence,

848
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,440
obviously he didn't really like treat him well, but he

849
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,880
treated him. Why that probably scared him into stain, I suppose.

850
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,360
But yeah, I guess I'm the Kris Mangle. I don't

851
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,480
see it as much, and particularly with Spike. I don't

852
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,159
know what the f is going on with that character.

853
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Especially because I think we're the disconnect for me was

854
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,159
I guess even on the Jimmy thing where the last

855
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:31,960
movie they he meets all the Jimmy's and then we

856
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,960
cut to right away. There's no flashback nothing, We're right

857
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,760
to the next scene of them in some sort of

858
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,639
pool area and they're testing each other. Right, It's pretty

859
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,480
much you know, you pick a guy, you gotta fight.

860
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,760
Last man standing is in the group. Okay, that's fine,

861
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,719
but it's just I didn't feel like that was gonna happen.

862
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,400
I didn't think we're gonna jump from the meeting and

863
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,920
then to the fight. I thought there might be a

864
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,480
slower you know, maybe there is something about Jimmy why

865
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:56,719
he would feel because in that first movie, they don't

866
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,559
like threaten Spike, they don't like kidnap him. They save him, right,

867
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,159
So I thought it'd be in the general Okay, you

868
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,280
trust him, then you see okay, this guy's really bad,

869
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,639
and that to me would have bought exactly what you

870
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,239
said them. And my thing of why can't like hit

871
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,760
this with a perfect score like the first one? Why

872
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,400
Spike didn't leave multiple times? I could, I guess kind

873
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,079
of believe scared kid doesn't know what he was doing.

874
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,280
But I again with the ending of the last one,

875
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,119
felt like Spike was, well, I'm gonna go off on

876
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:20,519
my own, be mature and do this right. The world's

877
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:21,920
out there, so I'm gonna take it, try.

878
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: It once so we know he wants to as well.

879
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would have maybe of them could

880
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:29,360
turk that as far as just like or could tweak

881
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:30,840
just tweak that I don't know what the word I'm

882
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,280
trying to tweet. Yeah, I wish that they just I

883
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:40,000
guess it's tough because the baby, that baby, when did

884
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,599
they find right the Alpha's whatever lady had the baby,

885
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,480
that baby had to get back to Aaron Tato Johnson.

886
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
I guess that's the awkwardness, because I would just rather

887
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,360
he's still trying to get home and then bumps into

888
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,039
Jimmy's for him to go and be like, oh, I'm

889
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,880
fully gonna go out there by my own, be my

890
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,000
own man. And then he's right back to being a

891
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:56,840
very scared kid. Can't say he can't be scared because

892
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
he's still kid. But that moment when he lifted the boat,

893
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,079
I was not in there enough to believe that sense ability.

894
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:06,159
I would have to hear something like this guy's been

895
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,280
with these jimmies for a year, because I just I

896
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,480
didn't believe, not even even if he didn't want to

897
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,039
stop her or go with her, why he would even

898
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,280
do the bow? Why wouldn't he just run away even

899
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,039
though too, Like he said to kind of like I

900
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,280
want to get out of here, and she's like, well,

901
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,119
I know you're gonna sit here and whatever you'll get

902
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,880
through it. Like That's what just to me. The two

903
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,440
biggest console this film is that they they backseted Spike

904
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,360
a lot, because I liked Spike in the first one.

905
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,920
I was worried, like, okay, another dad with young kids training.

906
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,719
We have so much of that stereotype right now and

907
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,039
all these movies. But it worked out. I like the acting,

908
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,920
felt like there was some growth with that character, and

909
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,480
it felt like they were reduced to be scared of

910
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,920
the Jimmies. And then I just didn't buy why he

911
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
would not run, especially in that moment. Other moments came

912
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,880
maybe can't sneak away, but in that moment, he could

913
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,519
definitely get away. It's dark and all those Jimmies are

914
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,920
messed up right now. They're not gonna find They might

915
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,159
find days there, but they're not gonna find them. And

916
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,360
uh yeah, and I just didn't buy him even thinking

917
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,920
about shooting this girl at the bow. I just I

918
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:02,639
just felt like, if they're going to do a potential

919
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,679
Stockholm syndrome storyline, especially they're basing the character off of

920
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,559
I don't think we got there enough. So I think

921
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,719
those were my biggest critiques. So I share some sentiments

922
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,519
with you there, M I agree, Taylor. Anything on the

923
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,280
Spike in particular Jimmy.

924
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a little bit more context for this character,

925
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,880
a little more of a dialogue exchange would have been welcomed.

926
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,000
But there wasn't anything that was really negative for me either.

927
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,159
I feel like, Okay, he's just the story feel like

928
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,400
it's shifted. I mean even the name Bone Temple. I

929
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,519
feel like, Okay, Raife is now definitely the main character

930
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,440
in this one, and so you have Spike just kind

931
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,679
of he's around and he's a part of these events,

932
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,400
but he's not the primary focus anymore. And I can

933
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,199
get I could, I can. I can see that that's

934
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,360
that's fine because even then there were other maybe not

935
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,280
main characters, but that first one we had like his

936
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,320
dad and some other characters that were very prominent, right,

937
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,000
but then none of them are in here, so it's

938
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,960
just like that's that's out the window. He's the only

939
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,599
aspect of that colony. And I think that's his sole purpose.

940
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Is he's in this to remind us and pose that

941
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,199
that the idea, like, Okay, there is that colony that

942
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,679
still exists, that the Jimmy's haven't hit, and that's gonna

943
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,159
come full circle, which you know, Travis, you were hinting.

944
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:27,480
I will talk about that later, but uh, well, I.

945
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: Don't only just come full circle with the Jimmies, though Jimmy's.

946
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: Are coming out with the Jimmy's No, No, but his

947
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:34,760
colony it's not out the window yet. That's it's gonna

948
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,719
have a play.

949
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,559
Speaker 1: I think I think you're overplaying how much. I think

950
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,119
it's gonna be big, and I just think he's gonna

951
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,360
bump into I think the pregnant lady that escapes gonna

952
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,159
go to the colony and when Spike gets there, she's

953
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,280
gonna be like, hey, you're like some stuff happened there,

954
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,239
and like I can't fully trust him. I think he's

955
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,239
gonna be having a big dinner. They'll be happy. And

956
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,079
I don't think it's gonna cause anything that because I

957
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:55,559
think she's still kind of sensed that he was a

958
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,440
lost kid, but he did also he didn't really help,

959
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,199
but he still was around while her whole entire or

960
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,360
i'd say family friends got brutalized and.

961
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh was she by the way, She's sitting up there

962
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,480
for like hours and.

963
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: The awful, awful, well, and that's the only thing too.

964
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,079
I just wonder with all these story with this story,

965
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,840
and like, I agree with you too that Ray Finds

966
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,360
definitely would I saw him to if we're doing Goldenkeeks

967
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,599
next year, and like the lead for this one, I

968
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,079
wonder if there's a way to do this story, not

969
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:26,280
even with Spike, because with Ray Fines. When they set

970
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,039
up and he's doing his whole speech. I love the

971
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,239
moment where he tells them all about I guess we

972
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,719
can talk in this whole moment here, but he tells

973
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,800
them about when he's gonna speech, oh not you, my son,

974
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,159
and he stands up and it's like Ray Finds and

975
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,239
him have this agreement, like we're gonna do the show,

976
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,599
then you're gonna be ad here. And when Jack o'conne

977
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,239
starts talking to like, oh, we're gonna go out there

978
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,280
and skin and kill people, make them scream out already

979
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,239
on ray Finds character's face, you can see the turmoil

980
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,519
in him. So I feel like that turn of him

981
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:54,920
doing the oh you've got a crucify your leader, I

982
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,280
feel like he could have done that even without Jimmy right,

983
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,960
because it wasn't just like him, Yes, he already was.

984
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,400
Can I abide and help these people go kill other

985
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,800
innocent people out there. So I would have believed that

986
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,000
journey like the Jimmy trim makes it really easy. But

987
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:11,360
with the morals they gave Ray Fine's character Ian, I

988
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400
would believe that he would already try to trick this guy.

989
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,360
So I know what they want to do. They want

990
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,599
to connect it, especially with the ending. I get it there.

991
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:19,880
But or even if there's a way that maybe Jimmy

992
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,880
was just still the Bone Temple maybe and saw this

993
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,559
go down, like he was just still hanging out with Ian,

994
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:24,280
and I.

995
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: Don't know if he keep saying Jimmy, sorry, yeah.

996
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 1: I've been coded. Yeah, Spike. I wonder if there's that

997
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,039
Spike could just stayed at the Bone Temple the whole

998
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,199
time with the doctor and you get the Jimmy's as

999
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,639
this force moving along. I guess it's the tough thing

1000
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,079
is you need somebody good with the Jimmies. But you

1001
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:41,719
could have just made it to the Kelly character, like

1002
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,960
I just I think the Spike thing was a I

1003
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,840
think the Spike thing's gonna be fine in the third

1004
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,000
part because I think he's gonna take over obviously with

1005
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,480
the returning actor and that's gonna lead to all these

1006
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,400
people intersecting. But I think with this one he does

1007
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,679
kind of feel like a square peg in a round

1008
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:56,519
whole scenario.

1009
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I would liked more for Spike, but

1010
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,440
I don't think I would have taken them out of

1011
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,320
that dynamic though, because I like the character of Kelly

1012
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,000
so much because of her dynamic with Spike and just

1013
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,039
how much of a wild card she still is. Like

1014
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,079
I still thought she could just fucking shank Spike at

1015
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,320
any moment, Like she just seems so wild card. But

1016
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,039
and if you just have her being kind of like

1017
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,920
the good Jimmy, you lose all of that. I think

1018
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,800
there is just some pretty obvious moments in the film

1019
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,360
that we could have just had some dialogue between I

1020
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,559
almost did it. I almost called him Jimmy Spike and

1021
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,440
and Kelly.

1022
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, you definitely need you definitely need Spike there

1023
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,360
for the stakes of it. But it makes him feel

1024
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440
like a plot device instead of like his own character,

1025
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:50,840
which is just weird considering that he was so prominent

1026
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,559
in the last one.

1027
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Just strange, and that reminded me of what I was

1028
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:57,239
gonna say, agree with what you said, Travis, of just

1029
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,760
the like lat like reverse development that we had from

1030
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,519
him in the first movie, like he goes through this

1031
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:07,239
life altering, uh, like becoming a man, go out there

1032
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,559
and kill your first and infected. Now he's just living

1033
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,159
out on the land and then this movie happens and

1034
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,039
he's just like a meek little prisoner again, like like yeah,

1035
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,599
it's just so strange. And then yeah, when when he

1036
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:19,599
pulled the bow on that lady, I was so like,

1037
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,239
what the fuck are we doing here? This is just

1038
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,000
so ridiculous, Like I get it if they're watching him,

1039
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,280
like you know, he pulls the draws the bow, it's like, yeah,

1040
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,280
go with you, I'll fake a shot, and he's just

1041
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,679
like I don't know. It was just so strange, like

1042
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,440
he he pulled that up as if he was ready

1043
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,280
to kill and infected. And then it's as if like

1044
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,320
a switch went off and like, ah, I should go

1045
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,559
with her here, and it's just it's like what are

1046
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:42,440
we doing here? Like was there another time just to

1047
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,480
have that.

1048
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,199
Speaker 1: He's like insinuating he needs to leave with an adult

1049
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,480
when like, I guess I understand when they had this

1050
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,719
like little lock system, but it's like you can clearly

1051
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,599
just climb this fucking thing, Like it's not that high.

1052
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:57,800
Like if Jimmy, if Spike you want to leave, go,

1053
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,079
So that's where it's just that's that's where like the

1054
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,039
ending of the first one and the character in this

1055
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,559
one don't core less. It just felt like they wanted

1056
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,719
a reason for in part one for Spike to still

1057
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,000
be out there, but the character didn't actually evolve, even

1058
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,639
though he wrote this whole letter to his dad about

1059
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840
I'm just gonna go walk the walk, and I swear

1060
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,440
in the third one, if he's not immediately heading home,

1061
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,679
I don't know if I can route for this character.

1062
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,880
I get one be oh man, but like what you've

1063
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400
seen now, it's like you gotta go back. It's not

1064
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,280
like just even if you want to live somewhere else,

1065
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,760
live with another person out with your dad, that's fine.

1066
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,920
It's like, at the end of the day, your dad

1067
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,199
was in a high pressure situation, hadn't a fair He

1068
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,039
ain't what these guys are here, like Aaron ed Johnson

1069
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,400
is not that bad. So it's like cut on some slack,

1070
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,280
please go home. So I'm hoping that's where him and

1071
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,519
Kelly are trying to head to. It's not just more

1072
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,440
because he didn't say that. He didn't say it. When

1073
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,920
they just said let's go, I was kind of home.

1074
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,920
He was like, oh, well, I have a place that

1075
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,239
we're safe at. I don't know where they're running to.

1076
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,880
So I swear on the third one, if they pick

1077
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,159
up they're not going back. That'll probably be a point

1078
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:53,880
a couple of points off for me or something, because

1079
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,599
it's just there's too much out there. It's time for

1080
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,400
you to like just get some R and R for

1081
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:59,599
even a night, you know.

1082
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: So, so is that do you guys all think that

1083
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,519
the pregnant lady's gonna go back to that town? Is

1084
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:08,199
that where you're all at?

1085
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,079
Speaker 3: I think I should have talked about her, honestly, even

1086
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,119
though I was just talking about her, I mean runs off.

1087
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 2: I would. I just feel like I was a little

1088
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,599
disappointed that we don't get any resolution for the character.

1089
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,159
Obviously there's a third movie. That's fine, but I maybe

1090
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,039
wanted one more scene of her, maybe even like a

1091
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,079
hint at where she's going or something. Not that I

1092
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,360
have too much investment in the character, because she doesn't

1093
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,880
says even less words than a Spike. Somehow, in a

1094
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,719
movie where Spike barely talks at all, But I am.

1095
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,920
I feel like that is definitely a thread that is

1096
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,039
going to get pulled on. We definitely need some some

1097
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,440
resolution to that. You can't just leave that completely untethered.

1098
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: When Killian and Sam, I guess Jim and Sam at

1099
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,920
the end when they hear no, I thought it was

1100
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,960
going to be her honestly over Spike and Kelly in

1101
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,559
that moment, but it's just, yeah, she's just gone in

1102
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,559
the mist. It seems like a pretty wild spot to

1103
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,199
just find. If she's just running off into into the

1104
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:04,679
wilderness to like find the Holy Island where No, I.

1105
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Bet it's give me a situation where like Airtier Johns.

1106
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: Samson's gonna find her.

1107
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: No, not Sam, No, I think it's gonna like Airtier

1108
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Johnson's out looking for his son and bumps into this

1109
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,679
layer or someone else from that community bumps into her,

1110
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,079
like you come back with us sort of situation because

1111
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,599
I feel I know that they dropped off a baby

1112
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,119
of Airtair Johnson, but I find it hard to believe

1113
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:28,199
he's not going out looking for Spike this chance he

1114
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,960
gets like the way that because at the end of

1115
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,000
that movie he was literally like almost drowning to try

1116
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:34,400
and get back to his son. So it's like, I

1117
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:36,480
don't believe he's gonna be like, well, I hope my

1118
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,440
son's okay out there and he's gonna be a man, no,

1119
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,400
I feel, and that's where he'll bump into her, and

1120
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,199
X Y.

1121
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: And Z thinks.

1122
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean she doesn't, yeah, because she certainly doesn't know

1123
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,159
where that place is or else she probably would have

1124
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,280
chose to live there, right, considering that she was in

1125
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,320
like a safe home base situation with a bunch of

1126
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,840
other people. But I don't know how far away that is.

1127
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,159
But like Killian's base is clearly like at most a

1128
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,320
couple of days from where her base was this whole time,

1129
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,679
so maybe they know about each other already as well.

1130
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,840
But she didn't go straight there obviously because she wasn't

1131
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:09,000
there before the Spike and one Jimmy were, So I don't.

1132
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,599
Speaker 4: Know the uh the Jimmy's in there. Like statistic kind

1133
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,360
of like outlook on things like this is kind of

1134
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,400
a goin of loose thread from that first twenty eight

1135
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,440
years later when we have the them wearing that colony

1136
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,599
where they wear the masks, and it's just like, what

1137
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,840
is this kind of weird shit? That they're doing, and

1138
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,159
it just seems like there's some kind of sadistic thing involved.

1139
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,519
But I don't have much to go off of, but

1140
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,440
just the way that Spike was reacting to how the

1141
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,440
things the Jimmy's were committing, it just makes me think, Okay,

1142
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,760
maybe the community isn't doing weird shit. They just wear

1143
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,679
these masks with bleeding eyes just for some other reason

1144
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:44,440
that I hope gets answered in the next one. And

1145
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:48,400
maybe well maybe, yeah, maybe the characters that we see

1146
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,519
join the Fray here we'll be able to shed some

1147
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,159
light on that. Maybe the character at the end, we'll

1148
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,679
be able to talk about the other colonies and whatnot,

1149
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,840
because it seems like there's a lot of other colonies

1150
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,960
and this movie did a good job kind of expanding

1151
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,679
a little bit more. I feel like, and especially Jimmy's

1152
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,480
inner the impresion, he's gonna have thousands of recruits too, so.

1153
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: That's true, yeah, which we don't really see thousands, even

1154
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,079
though you feel like we were. It's interesting. I felt

1155
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,840
like that first movie, we didn't bump into anybody, like

1156
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,400
it just felt like, you know, airto Johnson Spikes home

1157
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:19,920
was that's where most people were, and like eve when

1158
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,039
they see the doctor, it's like, oh, that's that's crazy.

1159
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,800
You're seeing like another person out there. Right, We're now

1160
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,159
like these people are in cottage. She got the Jimmy's

1161
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:28,440
and that's where I guess we can talk about now

1162
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,039
because we've kind of circled around it, like awesome. I'm

1163
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:33,880
very happy killing Murphy's back. I'm excited to see what

1164
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,159
they can do with jim I'm obviously now they've set

1165
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,599
them up with a kid. I don't think, uh god,

1166
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,320
what's the girl's name? Who was Calypso? And I can't

1167
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,119
remember her real name, But I don't think Calypso made it.

1168
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,159
Remember she was his girlfriend or whatever in twenty Yeah,

1169
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:47,920
I don't think she Yeah, I don't. I don't. I

1170
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,880
don't think she made it unless she's in like a

1171
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:53,440
bathroom sleeping. But I think it's just it's one of

1172
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,360
those things where it's almost like Star Wars when everybody

1173
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,719
knows each other. There was a point of me where

1174
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,960
they're just running and killing just sees them like, you know,

1175
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,039
this again feels a little small now, you know, like

1176
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,159
I know, it's not in the biggest place or happened.

1177
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:08,360
It just feels like, especially in the amount of time

1178
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,000
this is all happening, just feels like we're seeing a

1179
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,719
lot of people out there, and I get there has

1180
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,360
to be survivors, but I guess, I guess I just

1181
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,239
wish there was a maybe a bigger time passage between

1182
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,400
this trilogy, or like even one and two. But no,

1183
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,639
I'm excited to see what happens. I kind of like

1184
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,400
that at first, when you see them, you still think

1185
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,119
it's on the island, but they're almost treating it like

1186
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:28,960
they're not there. They're treating it like they could be

1187
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,840
somewhere else. And then when she said, oh, well you're

1188
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,119
the ones that would give me the exam, that's the okay,

1189
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,840
they are there, which is smart cause right after that's

1190
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,119
when you start hearing the noises and you know, oh,

1191
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,679
do we help them? Of course we help them. So

1192
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,000
I am interested. I think it kind of what we

1193
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,119
all expected that he was going to be the little

1194
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:44,719
stinger there, not much to go off of. Then he

1195
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,760
has a kid, and that's lots of steakes. I guess

1196
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,039
I am disappointed that we're not gonna see killing Murphy

1197
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,719
interact with Ray Fines or Jack O'Connell. I would have

1198
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,840
been interested to see those type of dynamics, but I.

1199
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: Mean Samson though, man, and then.

1200
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,519
Speaker 1: Sam'son the ultimate team up there, and that's where I

1201
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,039
just with g me get it, and I love that.

1202
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,400
I love that moment when Ray findes was like, oh

1203
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,480
in the fourth one and just like the Son of God,

1204
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,159
you know, that was such a great moment and they

1205
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,519
kill him off the kill Ray Finds. With the third one.

1206
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,320
Other than getting Spike home, I really don't know what

1207
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,239
was gonna happen because I actually kind of thought Jack

1208
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,960
O'Connell was gonna make it, and I kind of thought

1209
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,920
it'd be, oh, you know, the doctor didn't survive, but

1210
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,880
we're gonna get killing Murphy back and he's gonna help

1211
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,920
take out Jack right or the Jimmy Well, That's where.

1212
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, kid, Like, how how prominent a character Samson

1213
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,400
gonna be? Like obviously fine, Like Gray Finds is talking

1214
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,639
about how he completed what he needed to do, like

1215
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,559
he figured out his research, he cured the virus, and

1216
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,239
so okay, yeah, is that research just stuck in the bunker?

1217
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,519
Is that research something that he informed Samson too? And

1218
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,159
we'll see Samson the next one being able to be like, hey, yeah,

1219
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:46,760
I know, like what it needs to be done. It's

1220
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,760
like because he was actively cognitively talking and saying like

1221
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,599
thank you, and he said his name. He said that

1222
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,760
he's like walking up to the Holy Island, like.

1223
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,039
Speaker 1: Hello, I was chasing the last movie. But we're all

1224
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,440
cool now, clearly.

1225
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,039
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about that

1226
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,719
because I haven't rewatched twenty eight years. Well, I don't

1227
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,360
think since since theaters was doctor Kelson, was he actually

1228
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,639
actively working on a cure in that movie? Was that

1229
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:14,559
a part of his plot?

1230
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,199
Speaker 4: I think he was a treating it because he discovered

1231
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:20,199
the iodine kills the virus, right, So this is just

1232
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,280
one of the steps he was taking and learning more

1233
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:22,760
about it.

1234
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: I think he like mentions it, but I it to

1235
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,800
me in the first one, it doesn't feel like that's

1236
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,639
his main objective. It feels like that's a side quest, like, hey, well,

1237
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,960
I'm doing all this other stuff, I'd like to figure

1238
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,400
out what the cause of this is. I think it's

1239
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,239
just something like that, not even like to cure, but

1240
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,199
just like what the cause with this is. So it's

1241
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,880
not like I'm here to do this, but I think

1242
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,360
what happened was between I think the infected last movie

1243
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,840
having a baby is maybe what started that change up

1244
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,119
because the fact that the baby wasn't infected at all,

1245
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,559
like he said, it's people thought the virus was more

1246
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,239
is it taking over the mind or is it clouding

1247
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,000
the mind, And that's where they kind of answered, here,

1248
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,320
that's clouding the mind. And so I think the events

1249
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,199
have last and we got him on the trajectory to

1250
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,639
start be more curious about it.

1251
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is. I mean, because I was

1252
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:10,559
that's maybe it's a nippick. Maybe not, but to me,

1253
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,599
it was like way too easy for him to come

1254
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,679
up with this cure so quickly, and it's conveniently with

1255
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,119
just like a couple of pills that he has lining

1256
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,280
around that are from twenty eight years ago at least,

1257
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,719
so they're like probably expired, so they're probably not even

1258
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,280
like potent anymore. And he's like, you know, he says, like, Okay, well,

1259
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,079
because of these guys, like we don't have as much

1260
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:29,519
time as I thought, so we got to do that.

1261
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,400
I was gonna do this a slow way. So it's

1262
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,119
just like his first clinical trial too, where he's just like, oh,

1263
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:36,400
I guess take these five pills and then it just

1264
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,719
works like a fucking charm. That really bothered me, like

1265
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,599
cause it's like, I mean, we don't know what the

1266
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,719
rest of the world is like, obviously because that France sequence.

1267
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,360
They may be retcononto that right when like the virus

1268
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,760
goes worldwide. But it's like, if this guy was able

1269
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,719
to come up with a cure with like over the

1270
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,719
counter pills in like a day, how has there not

1271
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,599
been a cure solved by anyone else in the world.

1272
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,960
Like this seems like a very easy thing to actually

1273
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:04,000
find the solution of. So I was pretty bothered by that,

1274
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,280
especially like this deep into a franchise for like the

1275
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,400
solution for this to just come up in like, you know,

1276
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:12,000
five minutes, and the movie was kind.

1277
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,519
Speaker 3: Of I think.

1278
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 4: I think the line that's drawn there is the rest

1279
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,320
of the world, who knows, Maybe they captured these things,

1280
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,159
maybe they're experimenting on them, who I don't know. But the

1281
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:22,079
thing that you get to see here is that what

1282
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,000
sets them on the idea of this being like a

1283
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:28,360
psychological thing is how Samson was responding to him holding

1284
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,800
the weapon up, putting the weapon down, and doing different

1285
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,119
things and the level of aggression rising and lowering based

1286
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:36,280
on this interaction. I think that's where he kind of thought, Okay,

1287
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,320
maybe you are seeing that aggression, and Okay, maybe if

1288
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,559
we can kind of treat something like that where you're

1289
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:47,000
not seeing something that's making you angry again, like a

1290
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,639
psychological thing. And I like that they foreshadowed that a

1291
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,000
little bit briefly too, when Samson's just before he eats

1292
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,960
brain Guy, he just he sees brain Guy and then

1293
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,679
he sees, Yeah, his POV is like this, this version

1294
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:01,199
of himself screaming and and how and whatnot.

1295
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,159
Speaker 3: Like the scarecrow hit me with this gas.

1296
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: Which always fits right because they say it's some it

1297
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,280
always gets classified as a zombie movie. But they've been

1298
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,280
ever like Garland and Boils, like, well, it's not like

1299
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,360
a zombie move like it's like a disease movie. But

1300
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,559
it's it's not. But when you see like that, when

1301
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,000
I picture a zombie movie, I don't think they're seeing like,

1302
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,280
oh my god, something I'm scared of I have to attack.

1303
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,079
So I like the differential.

1304
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: Kidding that perspective was cool. Do you guys think that

1305
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,320
because all the other zombies, not zombies, rage people on

1306
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,880
the train were taking bites out of alpha. Do you

1307
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
think that by doing that, they're like, you know, the

1308
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,199
cure is somehow in his blood and that would work

1309
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:38,960
on those.

1310
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be crazy, even though I think he just

1311
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,719
mutilated them.

1312
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: All, like he decapitated all of them, Like I'm sure

1313
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,000
some of them are just like knocked out or something.

1314
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: Right, would not bood.

1315
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:56,679
Speaker 4: It's not a viral cure though, and you.

1316
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: Bit me you would also have the.

1317
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

1318
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:02,599
Speaker 1: No.

1319
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 4: Basically he just he treated like his his mental state,

1320
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,320
and he treated a few other things.

1321
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: I guess it was over time too, right, It was like.

1322
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he drugged him with morphine like over weeks

1323
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,679
and weeks and weeks, right, So that definitely obviously helped

1324
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:18,840
kind of bring him back.

1325
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: You think morphine for the for that pill combo to work.

1326
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: I mean maybe like just the more thing helped him

1327
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,480
as well. Yeah, like the morphine alone helped him actually

1328
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:32,159
start talking again. That was without the treatment. That just

1329
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,039
was able to slow him down and keep him at

1330
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:36,599
like a state where he's calm, which is a lot

1331
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,559
longer of a treatment than I'm imagining any of their

1332
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,800
government is doing. Again with him being able to test

1333
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,920
this stuff out in the field.

1334
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: Here is a long time.

1335
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 4: It is a long time.

1336
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think they care, though I hope we

1337
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,760
get that that's right, They don't think. They've just been like,

1338
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,119
we don't care about that place whatever.

1339
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 4: They don't, And I mean that's why I feel like, Okay,

1340
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,280
with with Rape's character, he's he's in there, boots in

1341
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,000
the ground, and he's just he's got nothing but time

1342
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,840
to just test out these different things and lead to

1343
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,840
this ultimate conclusion. And so with this medication that's proving success,

1344
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,559
the thing that I'm curious about is, Okay, the virus

1345
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:15,039
is still present in his blood, so technically these other

1346
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:18,280
variants shouldn't have attacked him necessarily because they should be

1347
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,800
able to sense that the virus is in there. But

1348
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,159
then you get a case like the second one twenty

1349
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:26,440
eight weeks later, where you have the mom that had

1350
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,639
the virus in her and she's technically a carrier. So

1351
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,599
now he would be I guess, a carrier that could

1352
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,079
still be attacked and killed by these things, because if

1353
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:36,039
you remember, like she was a carrier, she had the

1354
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,039
virus in her, but her husband got infected and just

1355
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,559
like ripped her apart and killed her. So I think

1356
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,000
that's technically what he becomes. So it kind of gives

1357
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:46,880
him his cognitive abilities to sanity comes back a little

1358
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,480
bit and he's aware and he's on that kind of scale.

1359
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:52,920
But he's a carrier, so he still got that virus

1360
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,719
in him, but it does not mean he's immune to that.

1361
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,039
There's killing him like we see in twenty eight weeks later.

1362
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,599
That's the comparison which that whole sequence though. I loved it.

1363
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,559
I liked how he's remembering things, and I liked how

1364
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:05,079
just everyone on the train was standing there. He had

1365
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,960
his Alan moment and it's just like he's like, yeah,

1366
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:09,840
I don't have my ticket, and the other they're all

1367
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,119
like this ticket.

1368
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to say something, but we're

1369
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,920
gonna take our next at break and then we'll hear and.

1370
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: Then I'll go and then yeah.

1371
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 1: And we're back. Kirkling laid on us.

1372
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,039
Speaker 3: Uh, I'll lay it on you now.

1373
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1374
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: I definitely feel like we do make some jumps on like, Okay,

1375
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:34,880
that's pretty simple on how we we just solve that cure.

1376
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,079
I also feel like this isn't just specifically the cure

1377
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,840
to the disease. Like I feel like Samson is a

1378
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,360
very specific patient that like he was treating like it's

1379
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,159
also an alpha, right, Like how rare are those individuals

1380
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:50,960
in and of itself? Like maybe maybe the other infected

1381
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,519
don't react to that treatment the same way that Samson

1382
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:53,880
would have.

1383
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,599
Speaker 2: And I don't think the alpha was like a different

1384
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:58,760
mutation though. I think it's just because he was big

1385
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,360
and strong.

1386
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: But isn't that behaves all so different.

1387
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: Than that's a result that it's not like an alpha

1388
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,719
is like actually a different breed. They're just like larger

1389
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,119
than everything.

1390
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: But I think that's the result. It is about in

1391
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,320
the first movie though, where they address that based on

1392
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,239
like the virus kind of expanding as it kind of

1393
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:18,119
it has these changes and creates.

1394
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: Like it's like evolving their species, right.

1395
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,719
Speaker 1: That he's an alpha and he just gets bigger, bigger, bigger.

1396
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,679
Speaker 4: The other minor ones they injected in his ass and

1397
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:28,320
he just keeps.

1398
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: It's just I feel like his physio like it's not

1399
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,599
just he's bigger, like he like regenerates, Like it's just

1400
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:37,400
like he's like a superhuman and compared like a super scroll,

1401
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,440
you know, to quote a terrible.

1402
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,599
Speaker 4: And that's not just a one off either, that's consistent

1403
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:45,239
across all the alphas, right, So yeah, I don't know.

1404
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they didn't get into that, but it just

1405
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,119
seems because there's lack of explanation, I kind of have

1406
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:55,280
to just pull my own theories on the matter. And

1407
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,199
it also just like his like what other doctor in

1408
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:01,519
like the Mainland would be like this level of like

1409
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,280
philosophical ideas of like is it really clouding the mind?

1410
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,360
It's like no, they're just looking at the numbers and

1411
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,360
the science to it, where it's like he's dressed in

1412
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,519
iodine and fucking singing his records to the moon in

1413
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:16,039
his bone temple that he like, Like, there's a lot

1414
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:19,039
of weird things going on with this character, and I

1415
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:22,679
feel like that is how he gets the cure. Obviously,

1416
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,599
resources are just happened to be in his little shack there,

1417
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:28,800
so that's a bit of a stretch. But I think

1418
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,079
just because I was so vibing with Ray Fines, like

1419
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,000
I would trust this guy to cure anything, like he

1420
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:38,679
just he is just the messiah in this world. And

1421
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,000
I think that's why I kind of allowed that to go.

1422
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:44,239
And I also just loved his scenes with Samson when

1423
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,079
Samson's just drugged up for eighty percent of this movie,

1424
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,400
and he's just mood moon And then you have Ray

1425
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,559
Fines like holding his hands and just dancing.

1426
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 4: With them taking shirts off.

1427
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: Now like when ke was so cute, Like when Kelly

1428
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,559
finds them and she's just like watched with the Vinos

1429
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:00,440
and she's just like, what the fuck is going on?

1430
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,119
And he's just dancing with Samson, Like man, I was

1431
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:04,679
just laughing out loud, like it was just such a

1432
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:09,079
funny part of the movie. But Good points Good Good

1433
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:09,960
points on the less on the.

1434
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Cure to something about the cure, which she agree is

1435
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,599
I think it's always just has to be done for

1436
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,280
the movie. I hope in the third one they do,

1437
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,519
as we just previously mentioned, talk more about the government,

1438
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:21,559
because I want more specification on you know, we just

1439
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,079
thought it was the lost cause because technically they did

1440
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:26,039
try to help in twenty eight weeks later, right and

1441
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:28,280
went bad. So I guess they just deemed it as, oh, well,

1442
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,280
it's too risky, let's not do it. Just even like

1443
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,039
the pills. I want to know, where's Jim getting these

1444
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,800
bullet's Jim not Jimmy, where's killing Murphy get these bulls

1445
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,519
when I saw them eating toast and jam, like I

1446
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:41,840
guess jam. But it's like even when you run out

1447
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,039
a flower, or like how they how they baking that

1448
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,079
I guess Ray finds that that little power conductor. But

1449
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,559
I just I kind of I don't know why, I

1450
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,920
guess with the on the island, it just feels like

1451
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,119
that felt more of a Okay, I understanding how their

1452
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,199
living and even Ray fines. But now with killing Murphy

1453
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:59,079
where he's just like on this hill so far away

1454
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,119
from I imagine lost things. Does that mean him and

1455
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:03,679
his daughter have to always trek into town And just

1456
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,440
like Ray Fine said when he was doing his recordings

1457
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:09,159
or he's talking to Samson, he's like, I've searched every

1458
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:13,119
Medican at Medican cabinet, like ten kilometers out, I can't

1459
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:13,800
find any more.

1460
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,199
Speaker 4: Morphe You remember at the end of the first movie, though,

1461
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,079
and that that shocked to the cabin You don't remember

1462
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:21,519
it like he's walking through it and it's fucking deck

1463
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,440
to the roof of supplies, like lots and lots of supplies.

1464
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:27,719
Speaker 1: Okay, But now we are twenty eight years later, and

1465
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,719
at some point I imagine they had three people living

1466
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,639
in this house with killing Murphy, right, he am the

1467
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:34,719
mom and the baby. So that's where it's like, well, yeah,

1468
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,840
so they had to make a choice. I just feel

1469
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,920
with you, like killing Murphy, I would imagine it's searching

1470
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,960
those same places that Ray findes, is right. So I

1471
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,480
am just curious on their setup. And also we've never

1472
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,760
got answered. In the first one, that plane drives by,

1473
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:50,840
and they did take people out originally, right, that's what happened.

1474
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,800
They took him out. Twenty weeks later went by and

1475
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,840
they tried to put him back in. So why did

1476
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,079
killing Murphy? Like why is he still there? You know

1477
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:00,519
that's a critiquins I'm just saying why was not because

1478
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:01,880
I wasn't sure how we're gonna get him. Would he

1479
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
be would he be someone in the mainland trying to

1480
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,440
get people on nine and say we got to help them.

1481
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,599
Could it be doing something else? Was he gonna be infected?

1482
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,039
Was a flashback? But we got the answer that he's

1483
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:12,880
there with the rest of them. So it's like, but

1484
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,719
why because that plane I thought would have saved him

1485
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,079
in the first one, don't know what happened. Uh, He's

1486
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,960
been there long enough to have a kid now, and

1487
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:23,199
that was safely enough. They got like artwork on everything.

1488
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:24,840
So I just thought, when they're sitting there eating toast

1489
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,719
and she has books and pens and they they they

1490
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:30,320
frame it like they're living supplies.

1491
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: It does not look off shelf there.

1492
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,079
Speaker 4: That's just twenty eight years catch twenty twenty eight years

1493
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:36,440
worth of that's just ketch up there.

1494
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,239
Speaker 1: What are they doing with twenty eight years?

1495
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 4: This is the end of the first one.

1496
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's a goner and there's a sewing machine

1497
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:44,960
and yeah, I guess so.

1498
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: Do you realize how long twenty eight years is?

1499
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1500
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 4: One can?

1501
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,719
Speaker 3: For three days, they plant one can and then he'll

1502
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,880
grow more cans so they will see.

1503
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,239
Speaker 2: I agree with you Travis on like well you mentioned

1504
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:00,840
earlier than kind of for it there where like the

1505
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,639
just the scale of everything feels a little awful, little unbelievable.

1506
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:07,559
Like even even you know, the whole plot around twenty

1507
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,960
eight weeks later is that you know, all the infected

1508
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,719
eight and killed each other and like ran out of

1509
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,360
food in then died off and here were twenty eight

1510
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,440
weeks later, which I know is or twenty eight years later,

1511
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,239
And there's just there's effect that everywhere I know, they're

1512
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:22,480
eating like animals and stuff now in the wild, but

1513
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,400
they're just everywhere and there's people everywhere, and it just

1514
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,079
is kind of surprising to see uh, this many people

1515
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,400
still and that begs a question of Okay, so the

1516
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,159
alpha in this movie because they they say that he

1517
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,599
like showed up recently, right, that's like a part.

1518
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Took over the territory after the other one.

1519
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think he just showed recently or was

1520
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,800
he infected only recently? And now that he's back into

1521
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,400
a human, like, does he know anyone who's so alive?

1522
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,400
And is he gonna interact with anyone in that way?

1523
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,039
Like he does he know killing I've like interacted as

1524
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:57,400
people before he got infected. Do you guys think that's

1525
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,000
gonna happen'd be wild?

1526
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:03,679
Speaker 1: All this shows the train crashing, right. I feel like

1527
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,559
just with his hair and his demeanor, he's been infected

1528
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,519
for a while and just eventually became the alpha by

1529
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,920
getting bigger. Yeah. I also would like to get explained

1530
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,119
in the first one, why like burd and stuff all

1531
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:18,320
the alpha around. We haven't got that explained yet. But yeah,

1532
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,559
I think I think he just roamed into this area.

1533
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:23,159
But at the same time, did he roam this area

1534
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:25,239
because that train's not too far and the train is

1535
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,400
it seems like that's his point of origin for his story,

1536
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,639
right is everything goes to crap and the train's there.

1537
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 4: So are we sure that is his train?

1538
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: Though?

1539
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like it was just something that

1540
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,960
was like a catalyst for jogging his memory that it

1541
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,880
happened on a Yeah, he.

1542
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,559
Speaker 2: Just remembering that area then, because assume presumably he grew

1543
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,400
up well, I don't know, maybe he wasn't ever buff

1544
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,000
and old. Maybe he grew up like maybe I don't know.

1545
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 4: I don't know when he was a boy, right, I

1546
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:51,119
don't know how old do you.

1547
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: Think that guy is? I can't really tell.

1548
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:56,679
Speaker 4: Well, he was affected when he was a kid, I imagine.

1549
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,119
We don't know that though, right, No, we do know.

1550
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:01,039
He's in the flashback. He's a kid in the thing.

1551
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:03,039
And then when the lady comes up to get the ticket,

1552
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,079
then you see a person affected behind her, tweaking out

1553
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:07,800
coming down the hallway of the train.

1554
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,519
Speaker 2: I did not see the infected person in that.

1555
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they don't even they don't. There's no music,

1556
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:13,360
he there's no nothing.

1557
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,039
Speaker 2: And it's just because he was clearly having like a

1558
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:16,199
who's a nation there.

1559
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: But it's like literally shots off everyone's sitting there, and

1560
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,920
then it's like the stewardess and in like the little

1561
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,920
corner where they've left some room for like you.

1562
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 4: Know, but then from behind like he had a face,

1563
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,039
so like I don't know he did, but I think

1564
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,039
that was escalating because again twenty eight years later too,

1565
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,479
from when he's like a young adult, I guess, yeah,

1566
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,399
like a teen, So it kind of stacks up with

1567
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,199
how old he is now. He looks like he's probably

1568
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,520
in his like thirties, late thirties, right, So.

1569
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he And again I don't think you

1570
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,560
think he's in his late thirties now. He wasn't a

1571
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,920
kid when that happened. He was like a teenager in that.

1572
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 4: So how do you think he's like forties?

1573
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mid forties to fifties. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1574
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,720
when he when he came.

1575
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: To by that member, yeah, I think he is forty

1576
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,199
two years six.

1577
01:08:58,159 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: When he came in that train and he was just

1578
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,279
covered in blood, which was funny because I thought.

1579
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,119
Speaker 3: And he lost his loincloth. He went in there with

1580
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:06,640
a loin cloth and he just hel into the Moon,

1581
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,359
you know what.

1582
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:10,359
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they're in the same movie. But

1583
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,439
when the I got a news talk for a top

1584
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,680
about in the future with Sony Marvel doing some more stuff.

1585
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,840
Get this guy to be fucking Craven one.

1586
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 3: Man, Craven the Hunter. This is shit, you not. He

1587
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:22,920
did stunts. He's like a stunt guy.

1588
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh, he should just be Craven. He should just be

1589
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,079
Craving the Hunter. And they're like Beard everything, like he's

1590
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:31,520
great and all, like all the little moments he is great.

1591
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,520
The acting is great. Like I'm very curious what happens

1592
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,399
with him because I misread what I thought was gonna

1593
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,000
happen this movie. I thought, Okay, the train thing happens,

1594
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:40,439
and they make it look like he died, right, and

1595
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,159
then Samson's gonna get like the big save. He's gonna

1596
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,359
come back and save the doctor. And then they show

1597
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,199
him walk out of the train, you know, butt ass

1598
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,560
naked covered in blood, and I go, oh, that's kind

1599
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,600
of weird, like they're spoiling the surprise that he survived

1600
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,760
the train and he's gonna save them, and he doesn't really,

1601
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,000
He just came back to carry Rayfins off, which I

1602
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,479
thought was, which I thought was odd to because ray

1603
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Fine dies and he's like sang on the skulls say that,

1604
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,359
Oh that's the perfect thing. Is boy's gonna to tear

1605
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,079
and he's gonna become one of the Bone Temple people.

1606
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,880
But then Samsung's taking him wherever are we gonna get

1607
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,159
like part three ex Samson also remember like he remembered

1608
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:14,079
he was like in med school and he knew how

1609
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:18,720
to like treat Ray Fines like where I hope, so

1610
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,319
you know, And do you think at the end when

1611
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,119
when uh Jimmy Crystal saw the Devil get him, was

1612
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:26,760
that in his mind or did the Alpha actually come

1613
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:27,640
back and mess him up?

1614
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:32,119
Speaker 4: I didn't even think that was a random yeah.

1615
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but it was in the form of the Alpha though, so.

1616
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: I think it was the Alpha. Yeah. Presumably the music

1617
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:41,880
was so loud and that's why the Alpha was brought

1618
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,199
back there. And I assume he, you know, knocked out

1619
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,760
any other infected those in the area, right.

1620
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: I think it was just a cheap jump scare. It's

1621
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,760
like it was cheap yeah at all. It felt weird,

1622
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:54,319
random jump scare thing.

1623
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,199
Speaker 1: It felt weird because like I get it, like maybe

1624
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:58,319
he'd be mad that he killed his friend, but like, clearly,

1625
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:02,479
Jimmy Crystal's not making it, Like clearly he's he's dead,

1626
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,840
so you don't have to kill Yeah, you know, he's

1627
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,359
a raciful guy, Samson, Right, he's even if he's he

1628
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,359
wasn't even I think to get out that training as hisself.

1629
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:16,319
Some that rage that he was still it's full human

1630
01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:18,520
form at one point, just like crushed the girl's back

1631
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,560
for skull. Like he he's still had.

1632
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 4: The retreating, like he's got the strength and the physicality,

1633
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,920
but he was definitely retreating out of that train.

1634
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: Too, Like he's still juice.

1635
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,119
Speaker 4: And if I killed eight people.

1636
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: A normal man, even if he's cured, he's not a

1637
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,560
normal man too. He's like he's howling at the moon

1638
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,640
covered in blood like prime male. So yeah, he's not

1639
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,520
He's not like that was a close one. He's like,

1640
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,000
oh golly, he's turning to the hulk ride in front

1641
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:49,520
of us, but.

1642
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:52,119
Speaker 4: Before we drift off too far from it, just to

1643
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:55,760
circle back down. The infection itself in so many different

1644
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,720
like zombie flecks, I feel like, Okay, you're dealing with

1645
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,199
something that is uh well, that's that's that's the thing.

1646
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:03,760
That I like about this is you're dealing with a

1647
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,840
virus that infects you and it's like, Okay, your old

1648
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,279
cognitive awareness and consciousness is gone. That's it. And so

1649
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:11,399
when you look at when they try and break it down,

1650
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,079
like okay, how can we cure this? You know, is

1651
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:16,760
there a cure whatever? Like it's never like we're gonna

1652
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,760
be able to bring people back or cure them. It's like, okay,

1653
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,000
if we cure them, they're gonna be like a shell

1654
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,239
of their former selves something else, with a different kind

1655
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:25,600
of consciousness kind of a thing. And so and even

1656
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,399
then that's rarely ever tackled in in zombie movies. So

1657
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,039
just the idea though, that they were able to how

1658
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:37,399
they were able to create a different variant of just

1659
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,720
treating it where you can have your consciousness come back

1660
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,319
and through flashes of these memories and whatnot, and you

1661
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:46,319
actually get to recollect like yourself. And it would be

1662
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,039
so fucked up to actually remember and just think, man,

1663
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,560
I ate a guy's fucking brain and all this crazy shit,

1664
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,159
Like I think that would cause so much PTSD in

1665
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:01,479
you as a human coming to terms with that. But again,

1666
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,840
I really like how it's just a different twist on

1667
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,319
on things and how how it was treated to I

1668
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,279
just it was just it was different, and I appreciate

1669
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:13,119
them kind of giving us that expansiveness to the infection

1670
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,399
and the virus. So yeah, it's just that world building

1671
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,199
quality that I like.

1672
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,399
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I'm really curious to see in

1673
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,239
the in the next one, how like his I mean,

1674
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:26,319
it was cool even to just see his perspective, like

1675
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:28,399
early on in the movie when you see the one

1676
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,159
guy crawling away on the ground and you get like

1677
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,520
that that vision of like what what the infected see?

1678
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,039
I think that was just fun to get that perspective.

1679
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:38,000
So yeah, that's a good point. I'm really curious to

1680
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,680
see what kind of crazy shit he shares with humans

1681
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,119
in the next in the next movie, the things he's seen.

1682
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this camp fire story is gonna be wild when

1683
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,840
they're just sitting around talking about how life spin, you know,

1684
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,439
and see even then was what I guess is he

1685
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,239
can end up with this community too. I know he

1686
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:54,920
joked about, but like, is that his end points his

1687
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,479
endpoint just to help just like the first movie, He'll

1688
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:02,560
be charged and run in Ben shoulders, I have your son,

1689
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:07,760
I'm wearing clothes this time Willie though he still lost

1690
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,279
that longcloth a lot. But yeah, and then yeah, I

1691
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:12,920
guess we talk a little bit. But yeah. Shout out

1692
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,079
to ray fans obviously don't think he's made in the

1693
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,920
third Just a highlight on this movie. Very charming, very good.

1694
01:14:18,039 --> 01:14:20,319
All that stuff in the Little Hot was great. His

1695
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:24,119
dedication to Samson and man, what a delivery. Who knows

1696
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,319
just the beginning of the year, but as of right now,

1697
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,920
bolt bullet for me. Extra golden Geeks, the fucking our Maiden,

1698
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,520
devil six six six, like everything, just when you see

1699
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,279
him like like they're like looking at him, he's like

1700
01:14:37,359 --> 01:14:40,439
crawling around. He definitely channeled he became Baltimore again a

1701
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,600
couple of times in this movie, like he was his

1702
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,600
movements and then also when he busts on and he

1703
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,479
says like his beekeeper like whatever, like.

1704
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 4: Suit on, He's like he did a wardrobe change.

1705
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,319
Speaker 3: It's like a Taylor concert.

1706
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: He did three of them because he was naked. He

1707
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,520
had that. And then when he's when he's he's a

1708
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:03,960
trench like comes b. Yeah, it was incredible the second

1709
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,319
that music, and especially too, that's like some of these

1710
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:08,359
people don't even what fucking music is they've probably never

1711
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:10,199
even heard it, right, Like, That's what I liked when

1712
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,520
Jimmy christ was saying that, like I was eight, I

1713
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,359
really have no memories of the normal world at all.

1714
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,039
He was just curious to talk to Ian about, like

1715
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,319
what do you remember? Right to mention that earlier, But

1716
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,079
that scene is and I always wondered, right, because we

1717
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:24,840
saw these trailers and these posters of just like him,

1718
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,520
like going like this and these eyes. The whole time.

1719
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,239
I always was like, what's this gonna be? Ands moviess

1720
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:31,720
leading up, I'm like, Oh, I guess it's gonna be

1721
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,439
just like a fight scene. He's putting on war paint.

1722
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,720
I would have never thought, Oh, that scene is he's

1723
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,760
gonna pretend to be the devil and he's gonna do

1724
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,159
a big dance where he blows cocaine into people's face

1725
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,640
where iron Man is playing in the background. Incredible, incredible stuff.

1726
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,840
So that no notes ten out ten. I'll be funing

1727
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,439
for that. If that does not make scene in the

1728
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,239
year for me, then we got a great year of

1729
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:55,560
moviees ahead of us. Because that was just it's no, like, God,

1730
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,600
what's the term for the dead, and what does he say,

1731
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,000
remember Dead. Yeah, it's not that level where when I

1732
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:05,439
saw that last year it was like, oh, this is

1733
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,399
like a all I'm gonna remember this forever. It's not

1734
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,399
one of those were greats of all time up at

1735
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:11,840
a bunch of score levels, but still it's gonna be

1736
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,239
something I do think back on and just felt very

1737
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,479
i don't know, just very almost like GTA when just

1738
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,079
something would happen Grand Theft Aught where it's like, why

1739
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,000
is this character? What's the result. It's gonna be, Oh,

1740
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,239
they're just gonna do something really weird and outlandish and

1741
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:29,880
it's gonna work. And that's what ray Fines was doing here,

1742
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,560
Like that's the third act battle of this There's no fight,

1743
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,319
nothing like that, no standoff, just yeah, ray Fan's gonna

1744
01:16:35,319 --> 01:16:37,600
put on a little play for these people. So amazing stuff.

1745
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish the movie was more weird like this,

1746
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:43,800
weird and stylish and fun. I just feel like it

1747
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,319
didn't have nearly enough of that for me. But they

1748
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:49,520
definitely stuck the landing with that particular scene for all

1749
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,760
all the reasons you mentioned, just so bizarre and you

1750
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,960
just fucking went for it, and you love to see it.

1751
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,840
You love to see when an actor just truly goes

1752
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,079
for it, doesn't hold back at all.

1753
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 3: I really thought he was Like I thought Samson was

1754
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,000
gonna be making an appearance here and like really fucking

1755
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:09,439
up the Jimmy's at some point, like before they get

1756
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,880
the like the mass removal of Spike, and he has

1757
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,880
that realization of like, oh, okay, I can't just let

1758
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,159
you take Spike again. Like he's kind of looking just

1759
01:17:17,279 --> 01:17:19,159
off into the distance, and that's when he's I think,

1760
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:20,960
just having that moment of like I can't really let

1761
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,560
these Jimmy's just go out and mutilate and murder people.

1762
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,760
But I thought he was like looking at Samson, so

1763
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,359
I'm like looking out in the darkness. I thought he

1764
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,399
was just gonna be walking up, just cock out and

1765
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,000
all and just ready to fuck these guys up because

1766
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:34,479
like they think he's a demon, right, Like that's that's

1767
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,880
literally what they call the infected. So not like it's

1768
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,159
a missed opportunity or anything, like I am happy with

1769
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:45,720
what we got. Yeah, I don't really know where I

1770
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,359
was going with that, but just the scene overall, it

1771
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,800
was this movie was not what I was expecting. This scene,

1772
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,760
Like I thought I had a grasp on kind of

1773
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,680
what was happening. It's like, hey, he's gonna put on

1774
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,319
this satanic show. I thought the music was just for

1775
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:01,560
like atmosphere and then you'd be like, welcome my children. No,

1776
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,920
he literally is just putting on a concert and singing

1777
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,399
the words and yeah, fucking blows Payota dust or something

1778
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,960
and these It's like it's one thing to like never

1779
01:18:10,079 --> 01:18:14,039
hear music before, never see like pyrotechnics and anything like that,

1780
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:15,960
but then you just get drugged up, and like even

1781
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:18,680
Spike got hit, like this little fucking fourteen year old,

1782
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,600
you know, like eighty pounds wet is just like probably

1783
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,800
just peeking on whatever drugs that they're on, like just

1784
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,800
totally seeing a satanic ritual in front of them, and

1785
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,239
like the fact it's actual like bones all around. Like

1786
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:35,039
it's just such a crazy, uh setting, just just an

1787
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:38,680
amazing scene and definitely just such a such a fantastic

1788
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,640
way to crescendo the movie big time.

1789
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a damn good sequence. Oh my god, I

1790
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,479
was just eating it up, holy shit. And Ray Fines

1791
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,439
is just absolutely next level. I mean, what more can

1792
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,079
you say about the guy? Like when he pulled out

1793
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:55,960
into the wardrobe change, he got the like the fire

1794
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,439
torch going on. I was like, this is so fucking cool,

1795
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,840
this is great, and yeah, everything that just kind of

1796
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:07,920
segued into him turning that foundation of their religion against Jimmy,

1797
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:10,479
like we talked about earlier. I love that. I ate

1798
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,560
that up. It was fantastic and very clever, and I

1799
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,239
just felt like he was a step ahead the entire time.

1800
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,600
And I know that they were initially there for the

1801
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,760
fact that, okay, we need to well, like Jimmy didn't

1802
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,920
want to execute him like a spike bike like when

1803
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,880
they were coming here. I feel like, Okay, the execution

1804
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,479
waspposed to be on the spot, I'm going to listen

1805
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,039
to Father Nick. He's gonna tell me what to do.

1806
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,800
We're gonna kill him. But then things obviously changed and

1807
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,319
he found this way of using this scenario as boosting

1808
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:42,199
his own belief system with his followers to enhance his power.

1809
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:47,039
And so that retroactively just kind of shadows, you know,

1810
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:50,439
Spikes murder trial. It doesn't matter anymore because there's something

1811
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,439
more powerful at play. But yeah, I just ray Fiones

1812
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,119
blew out of the water. I don't know what else

1813
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,039
to really say. About it, and then it was just

1814
01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:01,159
it was great, absolutely great. And when Samson came back

1815
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,359
at the end and he had the horns on him

1816
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:05,439
and whatnot, I thought for a second maybe he killed

1817
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,359
the deer and put deer antlers on his head.

1818
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: So it's just like very Hannibal uh visions. Yeah. Yeah,

1819
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,199
when he was walking and he had like the the

1820
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,520
like the antlers, but then he also had like shoulder pads.

1821
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought, did the armor up to fight the.

1822
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: Fucking like when Will is like Spasman out of Hannibal. Okay,

1823
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:26,960
I dig this so.

1824
01:20:28,279 --> 01:20:31,119
Speaker 3: Uh I forgot to mention it. But uh, one of

1825
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:35,159
my favorite Jimmy Mo like actual Jimmy Jimmy Crystal moments

1826
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:38,560
is this whole plan is to basically just solidify like

1827
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:42,359
ultimate belief and faith in me, Jimmy Crystal. You know,

1828
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,600
like Rafe was gonna put on this this great show

1829
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:48,279
to convince these people that not only is he the

1830
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:50,479
devil saint Nick, but like I am his son and

1831
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,439
you should listen to me, and like basically gave him

1832
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,880
a script. I just like that's his whole plan. So

1833
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,720
he's totally in on the whole thing, you know, That's

1834
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,640
what he want. He didn't expect to get a whole concert.

1835
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,520
You can kind to see him like surprised when it

1836
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:02,039
gets going.

1837
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,279
Speaker 1: But at the end.

1838
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,119
Speaker 3: When when Ian's like, yeah and I got one more,

1839
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:10,359
it's like you gotta crucify instantly. Jimmy's like, well, we

1840
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:12,079
don't know who this guy is. This guy's not saying

1841
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:14,600
nick like like we trust this guy. And it's like

1842
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,960
these guys literally just went through like a fucking sweat

1843
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:20,600
lodge spirit journey right now, like they just they saw

1844
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,000
the devil, like you can't just take back what they saw.

1845
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,880
And I love how like right away, Kelly's just ready

1846
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,720
to fucking murder this guy that she's always kind of

1847
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,079
or sorry already doubtful of throughout the movie. But it

1848
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:34,720
was just such a funny like revealing of his cards

1849
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,039
of like, oh, everything's going my way, and the second

1850
01:21:37,079 --> 01:21:37,720
it doesn't, it's.

1851
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,359
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, like like uh, you can't believe him,

1852
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:41,479
Like you gotta be you gotta trust me.

1853
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: So it was just such a great way to take

1854
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,760
out our antagonist of the movie instead of having like

1855
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,479
a big, you know, duel of fates one v one battle.

1856
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like in a game of avalon when

1857
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,399
you've been partnering with somebody for a bit and then

1858
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,600
they accuse you and you're like, yeah, what's going on?

1859
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,960
And I gotta you gotta pivot and go to that person.

1860
01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:04,720
But uh yeah, no that I think O'Connell's his facial expressions,

1861
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,800
everything that seemed like even when he said not you

1862
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,600
might son a bow and just have that shot of Jackal,

1863
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,640
He's like smiling like yeah, I got these guys. He's

1864
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,079
doing a whole speech again. I'm like, man, he's he's

1865
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:18,079
that's good. He's got to he's got something like cheek acting.

1866
01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:20,119
You know, he talked about Tom Hardy and his eye acting.

1867
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,800
Just what he's doing, his cheeks, his little smiles whatnot.

1868
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,960
Jack O'Connell like he doesn't sinners to. Uh yeah, he's

1869
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,439
gonna he's gonna do some good things, so open.

1870
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just nitpick for that sequence is uh. I

1871
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:36,039
feel like the doctor he goes like stabbing the tummy

1872
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:39,720
like once, and I feel like he should have survived that.

1873
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:42,800
He's an old man, you know, but he's like swool

1874
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,720
as hell, and he's like really strong and and like

1875
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,159
has tons of drugs. Tons he has every possible drug

1876
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:52,920
and medical medical supply you could ask for. So I

1877
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,760
feel like they needed to kill him in a more

1878
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,760
overt way. To me, it was a little too easy.

1879
01:22:59,319 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: Could have been a bit.

1880
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:03,079
Speaker 3: Gut though, is pretty pretty awful, right, because if you

1881
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:06,119
get stabbed your intestines and there's just an open wound,

1882
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:08,199
all of your ship and stuff that's in your in

1883
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:11,079
testines probably just spew out everything inside your gut to

1884
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:13,600
just infect. Like even if he makes it out that moment,

1885
01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:16,359
I don't know. I'm I'm okay.

1886
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 4: Stabbed in his vena cava's his bladder that this is

1887
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,079
all stuff that could have killed him. It's in the

1888
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:29,960
lower abdomen area, is what I looked into.

1889
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,520
Speaker 2: Also got stabbed in the exact same spot, and he

1890
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,199
didn't die until he was crucified.

1891
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:40,279
Speaker 3: That's true. That's a good point actually, so yeah, but

1892
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:40,680
could he.

1893
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:41,199
Speaker 1: Have died.

1894
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 4: Though, That's right, was y no matter what plus five vitality.

1895
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,319
It's not a saint.

1896
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,079
Speaker 2: The amount of people that just got like surprise sucker

1897
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:53,479
punch slash like stabbed in this it kind of bothered

1898
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,600
me too. Just so many like quick, quick little mini stabs.

1899
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,039
You know, obviously with Spike grabbing the guy in the

1900
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:01,640
leg at the start of the movie. Those two at

1901
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,079
the very end, like the fact that we got two

1902
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:05,479
little quick surprise gut stabs like back to back. I'm like,

1903
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,640
is this the best you got in the choreography sense,

1904
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,760
we can't like mix it up a little bit more.

1905
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:15,319
Speaker 3: In the concert? Yeah, actually, yeah, I was. I was

1906
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:16,880
gonna bring up the guy in the woods because I

1907
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:20,079
left so hard in the scene when this happened. Are

1908
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:20,960
you talking about like the trio?

1909
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Spike tries to escape.

1910
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no no no no. The

1911
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,159
trio so like the Pregnant Lady, uh, the ones that

1912
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,720
the Jimmy's like torture before that, and they're like on

1913
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,399
their patrol and this one fucking random guy is like,

1914
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:40,279
we gotta take him out because if you see wacks,

1915
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,840
it's like, who's shooting at those guys? I'm just gonna

1916
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,319
pepper them a little bit, and then goes up to

1917
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:48,720
them stabs and instantly turns and just screams literally taunts

1918
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,279
like the whole fucking mob out of the forest, and

1919
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:53,720
then he's running. He's like, don't leave me, go back

1920
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,439
and say it's like you fucking did that yourself. Man,

1921
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,640
like zero surround and I do.

1922
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: And then when Kirkle will die, he'll be like, Craus,

1923
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,199
why did you run away? I see your camera because

1924
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:05,960
that's you do the exact same ship where it's like

1925
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:06,800
that's not put.

1926
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 4: A coming down that one.

1927
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just left.

1928
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 3: I left so hard. It's like, what's his plan going

1929
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,800
to be here? Like a quick stealth kill. No, literally

1930
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,000
just pokes him the shoulder.

1931
01:25:18,359 --> 01:25:20,119
Speaker 1: And the thing was clearly walking the other way, like

1932
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:23,119
walking away from them with a broken foot. Just leave

1933
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:25,439
it alone. Just leave thee And which was weird too

1934
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,800
to me, like, oh no, I guess she left the premise.

1935
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,159
It's like, well, because that's the thing, like Kelly at

1936
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,359
one point she leaves and then when she sees ray

1937
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,279
fiance on the way, that guy comes back and she

1938
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:39,960
does this unnecessary like are farming, Like let's throw summer.

1939
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 4: It's much necessary I need.

1940
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,039
Speaker 2: It's like blood is definitely splattering into your face if

1941
01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:46,680
you do that all the time. Yeah, I don't know

1942
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:47,319
how you survive.

1943
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,239
Speaker 1: Let's be a little safer. But that same thing, how

1944
01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:50,840
did she get out of there? It's a locked door,

1945
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,079
so she just climbed over the gate, right, Yeah, it's

1946
01:25:55,119 --> 01:25:55,600
just that easy.

1947
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:56,399
Speaker 3: That makes no sense.

1948
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1949
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: So again those three people in the woods, like even

1950
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,399
if they didn't try and stab that one, there were

1951
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,800
like five others within, like you know, twenty meters clearly

1952
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,640
because they just got swarm right then and there. So

1953
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,840
I don't know, they're just they're just everywhere, these infected

1954
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:11,439
they are.

1955
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,159
Speaker 3: I love that they're gathering mushrooms like a couple of hobbits.

1956
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Funny, and there's a lot of very Fellowship of the

1957
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,279
Ring vibes. At one point they just showed this tree

1958
01:26:20,359 --> 01:26:22,920
as like that looks like the tree the group hell

1959
01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:25,760
that to hid under from the Ring.

1960
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,079
Speaker 4: The ring Ras are running around with the infected in here,

1961
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:28,800
hell yeah.

1962
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 3: Or when when Samson's like tripping out on his fucking morphine,

1963
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,359
he's just looking up at the sky and you see

1964
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:36,720
like those leaves, like like the sun comes through the leaves.

1965
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,720
I was just like like l Ron's face to come in.

1966
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: But just do that without ray Fines, like replacing Butt

1967
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:52,880
ray Fines talking to Samson. He's singing in the next movie.

1968
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 3: If Samson's feeling lost, he just see his father's and

1969
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,720
father Kelson calson.

1970
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the next movie, like they can recreate the

1971
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,439
ring raif like riding in the river, but he'll be

1972
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,199
the horse and Spike will be or Arwin, So just

1973
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,479
come on. The only thing I want to say before

1974
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,840
I forget is I really liked in the scene when

1975
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,039
the skinny happens and they give the one guy like

1976
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:18,520
the whole thing, like you can be part of the

1977
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,439
fingers did and he looked down and he picked that

1978
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,720
girl out who was just cross legs and down. I

1979
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,960
loved her little acting choices when she looked up because

1980
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,720
she looked up, she looked very scared and then she smiled,

1981
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,239
so it's like always fucked, and then she looks scared again.

1982
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,880
So I liked that I did not have a read

1983
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,079
on what this character was gonna do. And even before

1984
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:38,640
they're about to fight, like before the action starts, she

1985
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,960
looked very unsure. But then the second she got hit

1986
01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,359
in Boom was confident and just like kicked his ass.

1987
01:27:43,359 --> 01:27:44,760
So I liked that she kind of baited them in.

1988
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,319
But it's like that she was happy she did get picked,

1989
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,560
but she didn't want to show her whole hand, so

1990
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,439
she went back to like, oh no, I'm a little

1991
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,640
worried here. So I liked that stuff there. I thought

1992
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,439
her death was like a little too long, like the

1993
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,359
fact no one would react to just like she's like

1994
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,319
she's mom because at that point I thought, oh, something

1995
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:04,119
else happened, like because her eyes are starting to turn right,

1996
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:07,039
so so like did he stab her? Like like I

1997
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:09,760
wasn't sure, but felt like took a took a little

1998
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,560
long to get that going. And even then too, like

1999
01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:14,920
so the guy have a gas tank and he like

2000
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:17,680
undoes it and then what did he where'd the fire

2001
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:18,960
come from? Because he kicked something.

2002
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 3: I think there's like a candle.

2003
01:28:22,119 --> 01:28:24,199
Speaker 1: And he kicked it. Okay, I have that very risky

2004
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:24,640
for him.

2005
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 4: Play a light source in there because it was dark, right,

2006
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,439
so something he had.

2007
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Done before, yeah, to have done before the smash ultimate

2008
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:34,720
is gasoline.

2009
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even even like that hook going into

2010
01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:44,000
her head and like the aim and accuracy would take

2011
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:45,720
on that is like insane.

2012
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:48,079
Speaker 1: Like the killer Yeah, I could believe, just not like

2013
01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:48,560
you would.

2014
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Think it would like yeah, hit her and knock her

2015
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,720
out or something. But the fact that went in like

2016
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,880
I don't know, that's super lucky. I guess that she

2017
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:55,680
was sitting right.

2018
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 4: There, solid pointy metal stick.

2019
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 3: Just ye, it was it was very easy. It looked

2020
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,119
like one of those moments where you turn and when

2021
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:03,520
she sees it, it's like hit X.

2022
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're ready. It picks like fifteen seconds

2023
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:08,560
for the rest of their crew to be like, did

2024
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,399
she just get stabbed in the head? Yeah?

2025
01:29:11,039 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Bro, Both that and the propane gasoline felt like very

2026
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,439
quick timy events.

2027
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 4: In a video game.

2028
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, you know what, like that, I

2029
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,039
just said, he should be in there. He should be

2030
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:29,079
impressed by that move. Yeah, it was just so quick

2031
01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:32,079
of like like, and I guess the reason I'm hung

2032
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:34,479
up on is he was stabbed several times and he

2033
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,279
was like he was he was just laying there like

2034
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:39,800
she was ready to take him. She was gonna assault.

2035
01:29:40,119 --> 01:29:42,680
She was gonna assault him on his wrist and yeah,

2036
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,880
that right there. I think you're you're so lightheaded, nothing's

2037
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,560
happened or anything like that, but like, and she was

2038
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,279
about to like he was so out of it. She

2039
01:29:49,399 --> 01:29:52,840
was gonna assault and remove the skin off his penis.

2040
01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:55,159
But he's still could I guess the drama.

2041
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 4: Would so he's gonna sexually assault him.

2042
01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I just assume I taking his pants off, and the

2043
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,159
way for me, it was the way she she was,

2044
01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:04,279
but the way she straddled.

2045
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 3: Him steal his pants, you just want to steal his pants.

2046
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: The way yeah gets steal his pants jumps was getting

2047
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:11,520
bit dirty. The way she the way she straddled him

2048
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,920
was very sexual. It's not like a material It was.

2049
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 3: Actually like psychological warfare.

2050
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a that's still abuse though. If someone's

2051
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:21,840
straddling you naked, if your naked, if kurkling, if someone

2052
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,359
takes off, don't know where you're going with this.

2053
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 3: I thought you were insinuated. It's like that was for

2054
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,159
sure gonna happen.

2055
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 2: My point is, so he stabs you multiple times and

2056
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,079
then takes your pants off, you should be worried. That's

2057
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:31,600
the moment.

2058
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: My point is he was so hurt she could have

2059
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,159
done anything to him that moment, right. But then cut

2060
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,680
to ten seconds later and he's John McCain with like

2061
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,920
gas and he's like like I was like that took

2062
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,279
me on a bit where And then I guess it

2063
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:48,159
was the heart, but just one little shot, like, oh,

2064
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:52,600
I get it. It was to the heart. It would

2065
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,239
kill you. But just like I thought it was, He's

2066
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:56,000
gonna get a bit more of an epic death.

2067
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 3: But just but in that moment too, like why wouldn't

2068
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,239
he just like pointed at the other tanks, I get

2069
01:31:00,279 --> 01:31:03,000
like a big explosions, like Marty dom that whole facility.

2070
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:05,079
Speaker 1: Well maybe, I guess because he thought his his woman

2071
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:07,279
was up there, so he could just blow her up though, right,

2072
01:31:07,319 --> 01:31:07,960
and his child.

2073
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know, just get torture for hours

2074
01:31:11,039 --> 01:31:14,920
up there. She really did, though she was supposed to do.

2075
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: She's formal a plan, and she found she found an opportunity.

2076
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're a pregnant woman, you're out numbered,

2077
01:31:20,039 --> 01:31:23,079
and that was definitely the only real opportunity that she had.

2078
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,520
Speaker 3: So well, I guess to save them, I would have

2079
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,279
dropped down there tornado kick like leon right to the right,

2080
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:29,439
to the head, take them all out.

2081
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, back for the while pregnant, I think the

2082
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:39,079
other well, at that point there was I think it

2083
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:40,319
was just six, right.

2084
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,359
Speaker 3: Or was there there seven total including Spike and the

2085
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,720
Spike wasn't interacting, so there's.

2086
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 4: Spike and Kelly were out, so there was only five.

2087
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and at that point too, well, she didn't

2088
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,920
save anybody, right, so she could just been running away

2089
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:54,399
the whole time.

2090
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I actually thought that was Spike, like the

2091
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,600
one that he chose, because it's just like the one person.

2092
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:05,039
Their mask was like the same too. I'm like, this

2093
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:07,359
is so lucky that Spike's not in this room right now,

2094
01:32:07,399 --> 01:32:09,680
because clearly that guy would have chose Spike, like life

2095
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,720
or death. I'm taking a little meek child who looks

2096
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:13,560
like he's terrible.

2097
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 4: And they call that out too, right. The guy later,

2098
01:32:18,119 --> 01:32:20,079
the other guy later was when he chased him into

2099
01:32:20,079 --> 01:32:21,399
the woods. He's like, you know that, if you were

2100
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:22,760
in that room, you would have been picked or whatever.

2101
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,960
I pretty sure he throws that at him.

2102
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,079
Speaker 3: You're right, I forgot about that.

2103
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 4: But the guy that they kept alive to, you know,

2104
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,640
fight the finger, I don't know if I'm in that situation.

2105
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,399
Like he just he lunges forward and swings his little

2106
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,920
knife forward and gets totally fucked up. He exposes his

2107
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,600
whole arm to get grabbed and then just engaged. I

2108
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,479
feel like, okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. Here's

2109
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,600
here's the thing. Now, this guy obviously has a huge

2110
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,079
weight advantage on this chick, So.

2111
01:32:52,119 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 2: What is you do?

2112
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,560
Speaker 4: He used to do a Hail Mary and just throw

2113
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,319
all his weight take out her legs and then just

2114
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,880
boom boom, boom boom.

2115
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: You know, he is mentally compromised and he has to

2116
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,680
fight this woman after he's been hanging for hours. His

2117
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,920
arms would be unfucking usable.

2118
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 4: And that's why he's gotta use the weight of his body.

2119
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Just just throw throw weight.

2120
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,119
Speaker 4: You gotta throw your weight at her, take her out

2121
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,560
by the fucking legs, and then once she's down, you

2122
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,000
gotta use your weight as your advantage corner, just like

2123
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:21,800
swing out.

2124
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:27,039
Speaker 1: Of a barrel, throw the hook, like what's gonna do

2125
01:33:27,279 --> 01:33:29,279
just wrestling like jumping at her. No, what I do

2126
01:33:29,359 --> 01:33:31,279
in that situation, I get the knife. I just run

2127
01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:33,359
on Jimmy Crystal and slinden his throw. And that's in

2128
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,439
trying my best there. I'm not going for that, just

2129
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,000
taking that guy as a fuck you. I'm not doing

2130
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:38,840
this whole rich Fual. I'm like, all right, let's try

2131
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:41,520
what happens here. You you make a bolt for it.

2132
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,079
But he was losing that fight no matter what. He

2133
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:46,279
was so weak and mentally compromise. He just watched friends

2134
01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:50,279
and family for hours get skinned. Yeah. I thought it

2135
01:33:50,359 --> 01:33:53,880
was an option too, and might have been smarter from

2136
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:54,680
the weight, but I guess he.

2137
01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: Took out quite a few of them, right he did.

2138
01:33:57,079 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he just like throwing knife at the explosive

2139
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,439
barrel blows up the corner.

2140
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:06,199
Speaker 1: And he rolls out of it completely alive, and.

2141
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,279
Speaker 2: Then the barrel like the knife into the back of

2142
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:10,640
someone's head. Just zy video game moment.

2143
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,159
Speaker 1: And he like jumps off the barrel to get his

2144
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:14,239
pregnant wife. And then as explosion jumps off, they like

2145
01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:16,920
jump off together and they puts.

2146
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 2: The skin back on his friends saves them.

2147
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, they take Spike. They find Killian Murphy. Oh, cure's

2148
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,199
the virus, say the doctor. They go down to Killy

2149
01:34:27,279 --> 01:34:29,479
Murphy stills a storage room. Look at much highnes ketch

2150
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:29,840
up I have.

2151
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:30,359
Speaker 3: For all of you.

2152
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,039
Speaker 2: I here comes the new Alpha.

2153
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2154
01:34:33,119 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out noes, I got nothing.

2155
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think I'm good as well.

2156
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:44,239
Speaker 4: I'm depleted.

2157
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 3: Uh this is what I would have done.

2158
01:34:53,039 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 2: I throw my weight down.

2159
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: I for I hope that at least Apron Cocktail Clay

2160
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,920
joining it after nine I'm gonna ask them about TASL

2161
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:03,000
scenario here in twenty.

2162
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 4: Eight years dead weight. Oh you got power behind that?

2163
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,399
Clay will know Clay, No, there's he has.

2164
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: No way to We'll circle back to know, I need

2165
01:35:13,039 --> 01:35:16,640
like one of those like science like MythBusters videos.

2166
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:18,520
Speaker 3: To show or deadlei'st warrior.

2167
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: You know he's losing I think.

2168
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 2: In his arms versus who's.

2169
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:27,319
Speaker 3: Never had a fight in his life prob. Yeah, I

2170
01:35:27,359 --> 01:35:29,760
guess they were. They were equipped to fight some infected,

2171
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:30,640
but they ran.

2172
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 2: They couldn't kill one infected.

2173
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just ran.

2174
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:38,319
Speaker 3: Maybe they would have if they had a better strategy

2175
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:40,279
than Old Lou going out there.

2176
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:44,359
Speaker 2: I mean their weapons they're like spears looked pretty.

2177
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 3: That was like level one craft yeah strong.

2178
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like twenty that's like twenty eight nine or

2179
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,680
twenty nine days. They're not twenty eight years later.

2180
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,399
Speaker 2: That's like the weapon you just find on the ground,

2181
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,039
Like that's just everywhere, and you have like twenty of

2182
01:35:59,079 --> 01:36:01,199
them in your inventory because they suck someone.

2183
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 1: You start with an Elden ring when you're their first day,

2184
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,039
you're like, look, but I got I'll take down whoever

2185
01:36:07,119 --> 01:36:07,359
I can.

2186
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's what people using like the challenge runs were like,

2187
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:11,000
I'm gonna use the worst weapon in the game to

2188
01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:11,359
beat this.

2189
01:36:17,399 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing, all right, Dylan score.

2190
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna give this A. I'm gonna be generous.

2191
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:30,319
I'm gonna give this a three point eight out of ten. Yeah,

2192
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,840
about half of that is from the RAFE just theater

2193
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,199
performance scene, and the half just like from the RAF

2194
01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:44,000
and Alpha scenes, which had some good stuff there, but

2195
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,199
really I didn't like any other stuff, so damn, I

2196
01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:48,920
don't think I can give it anything. I don't think

2197
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,279
I can pass it. Honestly, I just liked so little

2198
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:51,840
of this movie.

2199
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, jeez, okay, three point eight drop from the first.

2200
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 2: Probably the worst rate and ever for the first movie

2201
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,359
I've seen in a year. So I don't know if

2202
01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:05,399
that's a good or bad sign for but the what

2203
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,079
this year is going to do for me? Oh yeah,

2204
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,479
I worded that poorly, but I mean, like, I don't

2205
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:12,880
think the first movie the year has been this savage

2206
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:13,800
for me before.

2207
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:22,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, this is a tricky one for me.

2208
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:27,039
I definitely less than the first one. No recollection of

2209
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:32,079
what I gave that first one, But I'm feeling I

2210
01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:34,840
think I go in eight point five for right now

2211
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:37,720
on this one. On a on an initial viewing, Yeah,

2212
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,600
I really really really liked what I liked out of

2213
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,079
this movie, and I really didn't like what I didn't

2214
01:37:43,159 --> 01:37:45,159
like about this movie, but fortunately there was a lot

2215
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:49,279
more that I did. Like Raife was like just such

2216
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:52,039
a phenomenal Like if I don't have the quality of

2217
01:37:52,039 --> 01:37:54,000
an actor of like Ray Fines in that role, I

2218
01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:57,239
think this is like a seven, like barely, Like I

2219
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:01,439
think you just bring so much extra Like he shows

2220
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,640
so much emotion and just like powerful connection to like

2221
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,279
a drugged up alpha that like isn't even talking about

2222
01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:10,159
this portion of the movie, like like he's just he's

2223
01:38:10,279 --> 01:38:13,760
just killing it on screen with like literally just himself

2224
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,119
because he's not he's not dialoguing with anyone, like like

2225
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,840
he's interacting with Samson but Samsung is not actually like

2226
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,399
he's drugged that for one thing. And he's also still

2227
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,359
like a zombie at this moment. You know, Sorry, I'm

2228
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:27,279
not supposed to use that word, but he's he's just

2229
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,760
he's just carrying the whole scene on his own and

2230
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,319
not even to mention his crazy musical numbers when he's dancing.

2231
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:36,359
He's dancing and singing and just just just vibing to

2232
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,279
him with himself throughout the whole movie. But yeah, I know,

2233
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,840
I I already mentioned what I really liked about the

2234
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,880
Kelly character. Very curious what happens going forward on that.

2235
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,359
I I could see her, honestly just being a major

2236
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,880
letdown and if we if we get that third movie

2237
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:55,760
for me, because I just feel like it's gonna be

2238
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,159
a Killing Murphy show and she's just gonna be like

2239
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:01,880
a very sign character in comparison to what she already

2240
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,560
was in this movie. That's kind of like my fear

2241
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:03,880
for it.

2242
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 4: But I hope not.

2243
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I hope they evolve and her and

2244
01:39:07,079 --> 01:39:11,680
Spike both be a lot more interesting than they were

2245
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,640
in here. You know, she was more relevant that Spike

2246
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,720
was in this movie for me at least. But I

2247
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,159
hope they both aren't just forgotten because you were bringing in,

2248
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:24,279
you know, Robert or Oppenheimer for the for the third

2249
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:25,479
one War Winner.

2250
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of they were like.

2251
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:31,239
Speaker 3: Talking when they're talking about like sorry totally side tagicle.

2252
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:34,399
When Killy Murphy's talking to his daughter Sam at the

2253
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,000
end and they're like going over a history of World

2254
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:38,239
War World War Two, I'm like, are they gonna say Oppenheimer? Ay,

2255
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:41,279
gonna do? I'm glad they didn't because that would have

2256
01:39:41,279 --> 01:39:43,840
been very corny and cheesy, but yeah, part of me

2257
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:44,520
thought they might have.

2258
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting because I think

2259
01:39:47,399 --> 01:39:49,399
there's you can make a case for Kelly and Spike

2260
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:51,399
being main characters, but you could also make case that

2261
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:52,840
the third one is just gonna be what they did

2262
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,960
with Ray Fines right, where those characters will be around,

2263
01:39:55,359 --> 01:39:57,479
but kill and Murphy will be the lead. And I

2264
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,159
have two minds. I like those characters, but at the

2265
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:01,239
same time killing or we start this whole show right.

2266
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Or just random new characters.

2267
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote it down to see what's he's out

2268
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:12,800
just walking the earth, you know, So right now, I'm

2269
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,079
gonna give this a nine point two five. Came in

2270
01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:19,359
a nine point five. We talked about a few things

2271
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,680
that are definitely natives and then a few things they

2272
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,520
need to think of a rewatch, so I think. So

2273
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,359
I was back and forth between the nine point five

2274
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:27,880
and the nine. So it's well, right now, just play

2275
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,880
safety the nine point two five. I don't think with

2276
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:31,800
any rewatches I could get to the heights of the

2277
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,399
first one. But there's just just love the world, love

2278
01:40:34,399 --> 01:40:36,279
the characters they've created, and I just really hope that

2279
01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:37,880
third one can, at least if you can hit the

2280
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,199
nine like structure even eight point five. I guess. I

2281
01:40:41,239 --> 01:40:43,279
guess I'm happy now with Killy, and I feel like

2282
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:46,079
I expect then they have to do that. Dan Boyle

2283
01:40:46,079 --> 01:40:48,279
will be back, and yeah, I just love the new

2284
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:51,000
lore they add to this franchise. It just doesn't feel

2285
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,439
like they're playing it safe and they're always doing something

2286
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,520
new and fun and expressive. So yeah, that's where I man.

2287
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,319
I don't think it could drop low nine, but maybe

2288
01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:00,520
who knows wants to rewatch, but I don't think so.

2289
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,159
I had a really good time this. Loved law of

2290
01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:04,079
the themes, loved all of the characters, loved all of

2291
01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:07,239
the moments. The acting was top notch. Not any great

2292
01:41:07,319 --> 01:41:09,399
like technical stuff that I could think of like twenty

2293
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,439
eight days later or twenty eight years later, but I

2294
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,720
just just beautiful shots in general. So yeah, that's where

2295
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,000
I am for now. A nine point two five tear

2296
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:19,119
Field and it's off for the night.

2297
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean it's no doubt. This is an

2298
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:27,720
easy ten out of ten for me. I really really

2299
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:33,960
enjoyed it. It was just weird and zany and had

2300
01:41:34,079 --> 01:41:37,159
some things that I was not expecting, and I'm I

2301
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:41,039
guess The biggest pillar for me is that I was

2302
01:41:41,239 --> 01:41:43,039
going in thinking it was gonna be one thing based

2303
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:46,319
on this trailer, and from what I saw on the trailer,

2304
01:41:46,319 --> 01:41:48,439
it was hard to kind of allocate where things are

2305
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:49,840
gonna be placed and how it was going to kind

2306
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,439
of stack up. But everything worked well for me. I

2307
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,199
really enjoyed it, and I feel like it just kind

2308
01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:56,279
of it tied to the first one well, it tied

2309
01:41:56,359 --> 01:42:00,279
to the overall universe well, and it just has put

2310
01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:02,960
us into just this nice little box with a bow

2311
01:42:03,079 --> 01:42:04,880
on top for what part three is going to be like.

2312
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,000
And I can't wait. I really really can't wait. And

2313
01:42:07,039 --> 01:42:09,039
I hope that I get surprised again, and I hope

2314
01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:11,800
that they tackle a lot of other cool, bold things

2315
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,920
in there too, and they wrap it up again in

2316
01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:18,439
a good little trilogy. Uh yeah, so you have to.

2317
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're lucky they're getting a trilogy, I'd say. So.

2318
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,319
I feel like you got to yap it up in

2319
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,319
the whatever this next one's called, you.

2320
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 3: Know, So.

2321
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, we have done it. That is

2322
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,239
your review for twenty eight days later The Bone Temple.

2323
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,279
As we said there, is after nights weekend, so we'll

2324
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:37,640
talk about a little bit there. Obviously I don't know.

2325
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,479
I think this will get a whole dedicated channel, but

2326
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,920
always drop the spoiler tag and talk about on the discord,

2327
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,439
and yeah, we'll see what people's opinions are because obviously

2328
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:45,760
the first one I think a lot of people loved,

2329
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:50,159
but still had some some varying degrees of choices that

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made were made that people made didn't love. So we'd

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love to hear whether it's here Patreon, the comments Discord,

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love to hear thoughts. Hope you enjoy this view when

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you hear from us next time, it will not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye, good night bye,