WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:05.040 All right, what's going on drivetime Tuesday afternoon, about twelve 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.080 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:09.759 It is a gorgeous day, man, what a stretch of whether. 4 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:13.679 We have had beautiful outside about seventy two degrees clear 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.800 and sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. And 6 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:18.640 as it is every day, it's going to have you 7 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:20.960 along for the ride. Spence check, it's behind the mic. 8 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.679 That's Porter Larson behind the glass today producing the program 9 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:26.160 on this Tuesday afternoon. 10 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:27.440 We've got a lot to get to. 11 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:29.800 We have some breaking news out of the world of 12 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.159 college athletics. Looks like Gonzaga is headed to the Big 13 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:37.439 twelve according to our buddy Kyle vonnack Gura. So the 14 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:43.320 latest with the ever changing shifting landscape and conference additions, 15 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.759 conference subtractions, you know the deal now when it comes 16 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:48.880 to college athletics. So we'll get to some of that 17 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.079 on the show today. A recalibrated Big twelve right in 18 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.759 front of us. We did our Big twelve Power rankings yesterday. 19 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.119 Both Porter and I had Byu atop the Big twelve 20 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.079 Power rankings, Iowa state number two. 21 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.959 I had Utah at four. So we'll see if the 22 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:05.439 youths can. 23 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.239 Get back out of you know, Arizona did have a 24 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:10.799 bye between k State and Utah and a lot of 25 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.040 the conversation out of the Arizona side of things, as 26 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.159 they felt like Saturday was going to be a get 27 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.319 right game for them in Utah get right against Arizona 28 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.359 State after a bye week. The latest on cam Rising, 29 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:26.200 the latest on the quarterback situation. Dennis Dodd from CBS 30 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.359 did a piece today and he kind of took Utah 31 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:32.519 to task or the way they're disseminating their information. So 32 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:34.920 we'll get to all the latest on the college football landscape. 33 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.159 Look at to a busy week six nationally, not so 34 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.359 much locally all although Utah State is back at it 35 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.719 after a bye taking on Boise State. Some really good 36 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.719 national games on the slate coming up this weekend, So 37 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.120 we'll get you ready for a busy college football weekend 38 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:57.239 ahead on the program today with some good college football guests. 39 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.560 The weekends in pro football came to a close last 40 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.879 night with some Monday Night football. One pretty good game, 41 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.319 one dog game. The Titans just smoked the Dolphins. That 42 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:11.280 guy Tyler Huntley struggled, he did rush for a touchdown, 43 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.479 but Miami looks like they're in big trouble without Tu 44 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.680 and the Titans decided the bench will Levis. We'll see 45 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:20.680 if that's something that they continue to kind of roll 46 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.719 with because they were actually able to find some success 47 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.520 with Levis on the sideline. The Lions absolutely put it 48 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.639 on Seattle offensively forty two to twenty nine. That was 49 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.479 a fun game in Detroit, Jared Goff with a record 50 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:34.360 breaking performance. 51 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.840 So we'll get to some NFL on the show today. 52 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.919 Gets ready for Week five coming up, and of course 53 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.080 you can hear all the NFL action on this radio station. 54 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:47.319 Week five starts on Thursday, Little Buccaneers Falcons action down 55 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.680 in Atlanta at Mercedes Benz Stadium. 56 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:51.599 Then a bunch of great. 57 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.639 Games on Sunday in the NFL will culminate with only 58 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.840 one Monday night game. It's the Saints and the Chiefs 59 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:02.000 at Arrowhead in Kansas City. The Utah Jazz open up 60 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.479 training camp. We'll do a little Jazz on the show today, 61 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.439 do a little NBA on the show today. We haven't 62 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:08.719 talked a tot about that massive deal that was made 63 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.840 while we were away with the Knicks and the Timberwolves 64 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.919 making a big time trade, so we'll do a little 65 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.199 jazz on the show one day away from game day. 66 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.039 From match day for RSL, they. 67 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.360 Welcome in Minnesotay're coming up tomorrow night at seven point 68 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.039 thirty at America First Field, trying to hold onto a 69 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.800 top four seed in order to host a home playoff match. 70 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.560 All the ladies with RSL on the show as well. 71 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.080 The Utah Hockey Club is high speed ahead to their 72 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.080 opener as the Blackhawks are in town coming up next week, 73 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.319 and obviously one I over there as excited for pro 74 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.439 hockey to land on our market. 75 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.599 Major League Baseball wildcard action. 76 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.319 The Tigers lead the Astros three zero, bottom of the 77 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.080 six there, so fall means a lot of things, and 78 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.599 it certainly means baseball playoffs, which I've always really enjoyed. 79 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.240 All right, good guest, listen for you guys on this 80 00:03:58.319 --> 00:03:59.000 Tuesday afternoon. 81 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:00.560 We'll start things off with Joe Fort and ba I 82 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.000 will talk a little little college in pro football with Joe. 83 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.240 He's gonna stop by today. 84 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.280 Richard Smith joins us, coming up at three o'clock the 85 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:10.680 Tryumph Return of Smitty. 86 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:11.960 He'll roll by today. 87 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.840 Scott Mitchell, former Utah quarterback, one of the best to 88 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.639 ever do it is our guest in the four o'clock hour. 89 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:22.199 Then the voice himself, who is now off the pressure 90 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.240 that came with potential of Utah defeated season. The Bill 91 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.439 Riley Mullet watches over. Let's see if I can corner. 92 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.120 Maybe we'll make him grow a mustache. If Utah wins 93 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:34.120 against Arizona State, I don't know, we'll see so Joe 94 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.480 Fort and Bob Richard Smith, Scott Mitchell, Bill Riley, me 95 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.079 Spence check ats, all of you the great listeners on 96 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.600 this Tuesday, and that guy Porter Larson on a Tuesday afternoon. 97 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:45.439 Tuesdays during the football season hit a little differently. 98 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.920 At least we have Major League Baseball playoff action, Little 99 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.199 NBA basketball, Utah Hockey Club as well. 100 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:53.240 How how's your Tuesday afternoon? 101 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:58.079 Yeah, man, Tuesdays until mid October. I'm just waiting, waiting, 102 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.720 waiting until we get action on our Tuesday television scrip. 103 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:02.680 I've told you this before. 104 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:06.639 Just do what I do and record maction from years 105 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.920 past and then when there's no football, just watching on 106 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:10.040 your DVR right. 107 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:13.319 Right, And I'm getting to that point. But luckily for me, 108 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.079 my Mets are surviving. And advancing at least until today 109 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.120 got the wild card matchups as you mentioned, so a 110 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.040 little nervous as we approach the first pitch of that one, 111 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.240 but that's holding me over at this point until we 112 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.279 get some football and of course a bye week for 113 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.439 the Utes, but plenty of other college football storylines to. 114 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.199 Get to the week. Little break, little breaking news on 115 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:35.639 a Tuesday. 116 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.360 According to Ian Rappaport, Devonte Adams has requested a trade 117 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.600 from the Raiders, and you kind of understand why. 118 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.639 So little NFL news on a Tuesday afternoon. 119 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.120 All right, our first guest today is Joe Fordenbaugh, so 120 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.240 we'll get you ready for a busy weekend ahead Ian 121 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.120 Pro and college football with Joe. But before we catch 122 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.240 up with Joe on a Tuesday, courteousy of our friends 123 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.160 at Standard Restaurant supply, it's your tailgate headquarters. 124 00:05:58.199 --> 00:05:59.920 Get everything you need to make your tailgate epic. 125 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.439 Check them out at thirty five hundred Southwest Temple and 126 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:05.839 online at Standard restaurant dot com. 127 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.120 On a Tuesday afternoon, it's time now for your opening tip. 128 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.480 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check its on Utah's 129 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.160 number one Sports Talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 130 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.160 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 131 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.120 opening tip of the drive is brought to you by 132 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:23.519 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 133 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:28.240 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 134 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:29.240 Southwest Temple. 135 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.920 So the University of Utah on the football side of things, 136 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.319 has a bye week this week and then they're back 137 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:41.600 in action coming up next week against Arizona State. Arizona 138 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.600 State was off to a really good start to the year, 139 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:44.759 and you know. 140 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.759 They might be a little bit better than most people thought. 141 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.000 We have not seen a line released, nor will we 142 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.160 that's going to be an eight thirty pm kick. We 143 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.519 do have that down in Tempe, Arizona, and you're hoping 144 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.519 on the Utah football side that they're able to do 145 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.720 what Arizona just did, utilizing their bye week to make 146 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.079 sure that they have quote a get right game. Now, 147 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.879 that was kind of the narrative from the Arizona side 148 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:10.319 of things before last Saturday, when the Wildcats rolled in 149 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.720 a Rice Cycle stadium and quite frankly just undressed the Utes. 150 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.240 Twenty three to ten was the final score, and prior 151 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.160 to that, Arizona went to Case State and they got stopped. 152 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.319 And so a lot of people were saying, on the 153 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.319 Arizona Arizona side of things, let's utilize the bye week, 154 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.360 let's get healthy a little bit, and let's make sure 155 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.120 Saturday at Rice Cycle Stadium was quote a get right game. 156 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.079 And that's what it was for the Wildcats. They looked fresh, 157 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.360 they looked healthy, they looked rested, they got a couple 158 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.160 of players back during the bye week. For Feet, it 159 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.680 was awesome, you know, he was able to evade a 160 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:40.560 lot of pressure and make a lot of plays. 161 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.439 And of course, the conversation around here with a. 162 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.439 Bye week is this, will this be enough to get 163 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.279 Cameron Rising ready, not just for Arizona State, but for 164 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.319 the rest of the season. So Dennis Dodd, front of 165 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.839 the show, joined us during Big twelve media days. He 166 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.279 wrote a piece today for CBS, really kind of taking 167 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.519 the University of Utah to task for the way they've 168 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.399 handled them messaging, because, of course, his status is week 169 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.600 by week, and as I've said on the show, I'm 170 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.519 going to operate off the assumption that it's eyes that 171 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.519 can tell it's not. But this continues to be kind 172 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:15.000 of the main topic, not just around here, but folks 173 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.399 that you know cover college football big picture style, like 174 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.079 a guy like Dennis Dodd. Now it's very important to 175 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.439 be clear that this is not just a coach with thing. 176 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.399 Kaladie Satake right now is dealing with some injuries to 177 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.600 his running back room, and he has taken a page 178 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.080 out of his former boss's book by being very vague 179 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.080 about the status of LJ. Martin and some others. This 180 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.240 it takes place all over the country. You know, this 181 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.600 is not just a Utah thing. It feels like around 182 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:43.600 here it's been spun into just a Utah thing and 183 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:44.799 just a Kyle Whittingham thing. 184 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:45.639 It's not. 185 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.080 And it really depends on your opinion of what actually 186 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.879 you know is at stake when you report injuries. Do 187 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.679 you believe that it is a competitive advantage? I think 188 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.320 Kyle does. I think he's made that very clear. And 189 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.840 if you're only to win football games, as I've talked about, 190 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.799 and that's coach, which job, you have to utilize every 191 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:09.240 single piece of ammunition at your disposal to make sure 192 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.919 your team is in the best spot possible. Now, there's 193 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.480 a very legitimate debate as to whether or not it 194 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.279 actually is a competitive advantage. As I referenced I think yesterday, 195 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.000 Jim Harbaugh has always scoffed at that notion that it 196 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.360 is a competitive advantage, and he's always reported even when 197 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.480 he hasn't had to. He's talked openly about when he 198 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.840 was in college. Obviously he's in the pros now with 199 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.519 the Chargers, and pro coaches have no choice but to report. 200 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.240 But even when he didn't have to report, he kind 201 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:37.879 of scoffed at the notion that this really is a 202 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.480 competitive advantage. So ultimately, I'm just going to repeat a 203 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.399 little bit what I said yesterday. I don't agree with 204 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.799 the portion of the Utah fan base that wants to 205 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.279 move on from Cameron. You know, Dennis Dodd himself, in 206 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.080 his piece today quoted a bunch of different youth fans 207 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:59.440 that he's heard from about what their preferences are as 208 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.080 far as what next under center. One of them said, quote, 209 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.200 it's time to move on from an injury prone starter. Yes, 210 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:06.799 thank you for your heart and grit, but I believe 211 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.320 at this point he's doing more harm than good. Cam 212 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.519 went all fall getting QB one reps, and now he 213 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.879 stands on the sidelines watching again for the second year 214 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.279 in a row cam is the highest paid nil player 215 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.000 on the team, and there's not much return on that investment. 216 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:20.559 And guys, I said it like. 217 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.159 The unfortunate part of this whole thing is that money 218 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.320 does change the way people feel about how you're performing 219 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:26.720 at work. 220 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.840 It just does. If you're a lawyer and it's pro bono. 221 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.039 It's different if you're being paid millions of dollars to 222 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.840 do your work. If you're a college athlete and you're 223 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:35.320 a quote amateur. 224 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:35.919 Which was never really a thing. 225 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.360 It was invented to distract everybody from the fact that 226 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.320 the business was being built on the backs of employees 227 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.120 they didn't pay. But for years there was this kind 228 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.799 of unspoken rule in broadcasting where you just don't crack 229 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.919 on college kids. You just don't because they're not paid 230 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.039 for their endeavors, and essentially they are unpaid employees because 231 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.039 there are a lot of people getting rich off their backs. 232 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.200 Now that's changed, and because that's changed, people are going 233 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.159 to feel differently about the situation. I'll repeat what I 234 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.960 said yesterday and I'll continue to send people towards a 235 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.399 couple of things. Number One, Chris Camaradi's article from The 236 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.200 Athletic when he had access to Cam, when he had 237 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.960 access to Cam's family, and for the first time, at 238 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.480 least in my opinion, on the record, Cameron Risen spoke 239 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.440 about the dark days and nights he had last year 240 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.879 trying to get back from what was a horrific knee injury. 241 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:26.000 This was not an acl this is not a sprain. 242 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.159 He blew up his knee. And that's why when I 243 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.480 was doing the math last year, because you know, we 244 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.159 all heard the rhetoric, we all heard the propaganda, the 245 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:39.759 walking line that ultimately talked about Cam potentially being back 246 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.879 for Florida. I didn't buy that for a second and 247 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:44.639 I didn't have any information on it. You just do 248 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.240 the math from when Cameron hurt himself last January. 249 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:49.159 What that injury entails. 250 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:54.000 That injury takes a year, oftentimes sometimes more. Oftentimes sometimes 251 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.000 it never is the same. So I'd never thought that 252 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.960 he was playing last year. And honestly, I can take 253 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.639 you to feel bad for him because the way they've 254 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.200 handled the dissemination of information, the way they've handled the messaging, 255 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:10.080 I guarantee Cam doesn't have one iota of a percent 256 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:11.279 of how that goes down. 257 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.320 This is not on him, and ultimately he's hurt. 258 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.519 He just is and I know injuries suck, and I 259 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:19.440 know a lot of people are frustrated about the way 260 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:22.559 it's been handled. And yes, according to what Dennis Dodd 261 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.840 wrote and some of the feedback he received from Utah fans, 262 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:27.759 there is a portion of the fan base that's ready 263 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.320 to move on. Altogether, I think that's a slippery slope 264 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.879 because I still believe, as we saw on Saturday, Isaac's 265 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.919 got a long way to go if Utah wants to 266 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:39.840 compete and win the Big Twelve this year. I still 267 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.960 believe Cameron has to be under centered for the majority 268 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:42.480 of the season. 269 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.919 They're gonna have to get more from Isaac for sure. 270 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.360 Whether he starts against Arizona State, there will be reps 271 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.320 that Isaac will take the rest of the way because 272 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.279 the data is in and Cam has a tough time 273 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.720 staying healthy. And I just have never bought the premise 274 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.480 that you can retrain somebody like Cameron Rising, who is 275 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.679 a competitor, who wants to go out and give it 276 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.759 his all, to play differently in order to stay healthy, 277 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.279 because essentially he cut his legs out from underneath him. 278 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.519 One of the things that makes Cam great is that 279 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.440 he wants to compete, he wants to play. He's not 280 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.799 afraid to take a hit. He'll take off and gain 281 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.440 yards if he needs to. And yes, it would be 282 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.519 great for everybody if he played a little bit safer. 283 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.840 You know, discretion the better form of valor in order 284 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.360 to stay healthy. But guys, the dad is in Okay, 285 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.960 we don't need to see anymore. So for you Tid 286 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.240 to win the Big twelve, Yes, I believe they need 287 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.799 Cam under center, but I do believe Isaac needs more 288 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.519 reps with the ones because he has to stay ready 289 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.320 so he doesn't have to get ready as the kids 290 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.159 would say, when the inevitability and that, yes, that is 291 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.399 the term I will use comes back down into play 292 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.039 where they need him under center again because Cam's not readier, 293 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.960 Cam's not healthy. But it's an interesting read if you 294 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.960 want to check out cbssports dot com. Dennis Dodd, you 295 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:52.639 know the latest to kind of take you Todd a 296 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.240 task about the way they've handled this and ultimately how 297 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.399 much negative attention is falling on the shoulders of Cam 298 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.320 because of the way they've decided to handle it. And 299 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.840 it's not Cam's fault. I continue to stay on that 300 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.759 My heart goes out to him, and I hope that 301 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.039 he gets back soon, and hopefully with the bye week 302 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.360 and then a game against a good but pretty beatable 303 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.559 team and Arizona State, hopefully Utah can do to Arizona 304 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.200 State what Arizona did to Utah after a bye week 305 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.759 and have a quote get right game coming up down 306 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.440 in Tempe on the fifth, six o'clock. Excuse me, that's 307 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.840 the wrong, wrong kickoff. Let me let me get you 308 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.600 the right kickoff coming up in Tempe on the eleventh. 309 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.480 It's a bye week, eight thirty. It's a late kick 310 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.039 on ESPN against Arizona State. 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Today, Smitty 339 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.840 stops by the Utah Jazz open up training camp this week, 340 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.799 and we'll also discuss that massive deal that went down 341 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:10.559 between the Tea Wolves and the New York Knickerbockers. Scott Mitchell, 342 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.200 former Utah quarterback, and then Bill Riley, the voice of 343 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.399 the Youths two for more college football, but joining me 344 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.279 now on a Tuesday, Excited for this. I've never had 345 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.600 a chance to interview Joe Fordenbaugh from ESPN. 346 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:21.919 Joe, Happy Tuesday, sir. 347 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.960 How are you happy Tuesday? I'm doing well. More importantly, 348 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.600 thanks so much for the invite to come on the 349 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.000 show today. I agree, I greatly appreciate it. Apologies. I 350 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.200 started losing my voice late last week and I never 351 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.759 got an opportunity to bring it all the way back. 352 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.759 It seemed like I had something going on every single 353 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.960 day between a show or a taping or a benefit 354 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.240 or an event something we were doing. And I'm just 355 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:45.960 trying to get this thing back into shape. And I 356 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.399 think I got enough for you here. I'm trying to 357 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:48.559 hit the high octaves for you. 358 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.240 No worries, man, I appreciate the time. So I was 359 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:52.120 just curious. 360 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.720 About your path right because obviously you're on ESPN, BET 361 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.519 we see you on TV I have ESPN on up 362 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.679 in the studio every day. Do you fill it out 363 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.559 here in Salt Lake City? You've got the Carlin Versus 364 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.640 job Monday through Friday. But were you always want to 365 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.680 lean into odds and lines and betting or what was 366 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.480 your career path that led you to where you're at now? 367 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.400 Joe undergrad at Penn State Law School in San Diego, 368 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.440 and I originally wanted to be an NFL agent. I 369 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:20.960 wanted to work in sports in some capacity, so that's 370 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.279 the reason I went to law school. It turns out 371 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.319 the agent I interned for when I was in law 372 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.839 school started a website in two thousand and eight called 373 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:35.400 National Football Post, and I got a job managing the website, 374 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.200 writing about fantasy football, kind of doing all the day 375 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.720 to day stuff. There was an agent, there was a 376 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.640 former NFL general manager, former salary cap guy, former player, 377 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.079 presenting all that stuff from an inside perspective, and a 378 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.400 couple of years into it, I decided I wanted to 379 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.400 write about sports betting. I had been betting since I 380 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.920 was younger, playing parlay sheets and all that nonsense, and 381 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.000 I just figured, you know, chat Miltman was like the 382 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.960 only guy doing it at ESPN, so I started writing 383 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.000 about it a little bit, and then I just decided 384 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:04.759 to pick up and move to Las Vegas. I was 385 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.079 living back in Pennsylvania at the time. I had a 386 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.240 two thousand dollars maxed out credit card. I had like 387 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.359 no money to my name, but I figured, let's go 388 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.039 out there. Let's do this right. Let's meet all the bookmakers, 389 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:16.519 Let's meet all the professional betters, Let's learn how the 390 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.720 industry works, let's write about it, let's figure it out. 391 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.960 And while I was doing that, I ended up landing 392 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.759 a job very circuitous route, where I got a morning 393 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.680 show offer to move to San Francisco and do radio 394 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.680 up there. But while I was up there, I continue 395 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.240 podcasting and writing about sports betting and then move in 396 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:40.279 twenty eighteen Pastbao got repealed. Network started looking for people, 397 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.480 and I just kind of held out for ESPN. I 398 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:44.240 was one of the only guys out there that had 399 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.160 been doing this for a while, so I ended up 400 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.720 having some opportunities and I ran with it from there. 401 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:51.920 So I'm very fortunate caught a lot of breaks along 402 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.279 the way. There's a lot of people to thank at 403 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:55.640 every turn that were there to help me. 404 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.720 Fair enough. Well, that's good stuff. 405 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:00.359 Let's do a little NFL today and I I wonder 406 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.720 what sort of trends. There's a piece up today by 407 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.480 Steven Holder about the noticeable decline in passing yards. What 408 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.119 sort of trends have you noticed early on in pro football? 409 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.519 Just through a few a few weeks, four weeks now 410 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:14.839 that Navy have caught you off guard. 411 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.240 That's the big one, the too high safety. Right defenses 412 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.799 are playing a lot more cover too, and as a result, 413 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.680 it's been limiting the big plays on offense, suppressing scoring 414 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.720 a little bit, limiting some player props in terms of 415 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.880 quarterback passing yards, things of that nature. Right, and then 416 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.319 on top of it, we didn't see a lot of 417 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.559 key players playing in the preseason, so they came into 418 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.039 the year rusty. I think all that's going to regress. 419 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.599 The scoring will pick up here in my opinion, as 420 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.839 we move forward. But that's one of the angles you 421 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:46.920 can look for. Running backs have been having a lot 422 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.039 of success this season going against the too high because 423 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:50.839 that's how you counter it. You just run the ball. 424 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:52.599 They're light in the box, so that's what you take 425 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:54.839 advantage of if you're looking for a couple of key 426 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.640 trends too that I've been monitoring that date back to 427 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.920 last season that have been really successful betting against the 428 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:04.599 Kansas City Chiefs in the first half, betting on Kansas 429 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.079 City Chiefs in the second half. They have been a 430 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.480 really slow starting team going back to early last season, 431 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:12.920 and it was on full display in the Super Bowl 432 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.440 and most of their playoff games, like they would not 433 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.599 cover the spread in the first half, and we've been 434 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.480 seeing it all year, and then they come back and 435 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.599 they win these games. Baltimore is the opposite. Baltimore is 436 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:24.480 a team you bet on in the first half and 437 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.720 then you bet against him in the second half. And 438 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:28.519 I know you just had for NFL, But I throw 439 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:30.559 this on top because it's a college angle, but it 440 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.359 leads right into it. Tennessee had coached Josh Heipel. He 441 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.240 coached at Central Florida for three years now. He's in 442 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.920 his fourth year at Tennessee. In the first half, he's 443 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.559 hitting seventy percent against the spread, and if he's on 444 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.599 the road, he's hitting seventy six percent of the time 445 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.240 on the first half line. It's incredible how good his 446 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.240 team is. Guess what they're coming off the buy, They're 447 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:55.480 on the road at Arkansas this week. They're like a 448 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.880 seven point favorite in the first half. Absolute auto play. 449 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:02.599 For me out here now in Big twelve Country formerly 450 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.680 known as PAC twelve Country with the University of Utah, 451 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.400 YU has been in the Big twelve now for a 452 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.839 couple of years. You know, for me, I have a 453 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.559 hard time deciphering what's real and what isn't in this conference. 454 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.640 Is it safe to say that the Big twelve has 455 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.079 provided the most chaos so far in college football? 456 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.319 Or would you go in a different direction? 457 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.039 Yeah? No, I would say that, And I would also 458 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.440 tell you that that's exactly what the professional betters were 459 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.359 predicting before the season started, because there were three teams 460 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.160 you could look at and say, all right, these are 461 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.200 the three teams that have a good chance of winning 462 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.279 this conference. And the odds kind of reflected these three 463 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.039 teams as being close to one part with one another Utah, 464 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.319 Oklahoma State, and Kansas State. But as great as that 465 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.440 Utah win oh Oklahoma State two weeks ago was the 466 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.440 loss against Arizona and against all that, right, it brings 467 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.039 everyone right back into play. And Kansas State's had their struggles, 468 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.240 Oki States had their struggles. We see what's going on 469 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.319 with some of the other teams. So it's been a 470 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.519 very intriguing conference throughout the course of the So, to 471 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.559 answer your question in a long, roundabout way, yeah, it's 472 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.079 the wildcard Conference. There's still a lot to like. I 473 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.440 would love to get a straight answer on what's going 474 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.880 on with Cam Rising because I still think it's Utah. 475 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.039 I still think Utah is a good bet to make 476 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.240 the playoffs. But at some point we got to figure 477 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.079 out what's going on with the starting quarterback because there's 478 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:18.680 a couple of key games down the stretch that they're 479 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:19.359 going to need him for. 480 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.039 So it's funny you mentioned that because I wanted to 481 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.759 kind of kick the tires with you on the way 482 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.720 that the University of Utah has elected to handle the situation, 483 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.079 and ultimately Kyle Whitdeham, their head coach, doesn't give a 484 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.599 rip about whether or not fans are mad if the 485 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:37.680 quarterback is not playing or if he is playing, nor 486 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.720 does he give a rip with the media. 487 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:40.680 Has to say about it. 488 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.039 But I wonder, Joe, and this is in your wheelhouse 489 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.880 in a way that it's just not in mine. I mean, 490 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.680 the modern day situation in all sports really is that 491 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.839 betting has kind of changed the game and college football, 492 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.960 in my opinion, is not his front facing and obvious 493 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.599 about how they're in bed with the gambling companies. But 494 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.920 thefl certainly is there are QR codes and the NBA games, 495 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.519 you get the deal. Do you think now that the 496 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.880 reality is sports of all kinds, since they've embraced the 497 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.640 gambling and the apps and the companies, that at some 498 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.640 point just every school is going to have to you know, 499 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.039 it'll be a mandate that you have to report injuries. 500 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.559 They do it in the SEC, but they don't do 501 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:19.279 it in the Big twelve. 502 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.480 Do you think we're i speed ahead to a mandate 503 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.880 for every member institution that plays football. 504 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.599 It's such an interesting question because it has such a 505 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.079 complicated answer in regards to you, Tahl. If they're not 506 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:32.880 being forced to give you that information, I would do 507 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.839 the same thing Willingham Winningham's doing. Excuse me, I'd be 508 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.240 doing the exact same thing. I would be playing Coy. 509 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:40.359 He did this last year with the knee injury to 510 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.759 start the season, and he's been doing it with the hand. 511 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.920 So why give your opponent any information you don't have 512 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:50.640 to give them now? To the future, the directness is going. 513 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:53.680 It kind of stills the Wild West with nil and 514 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.640 the way the transfer portal works, and we all know 515 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.640 what happened at UNLV with their quarterback. It's only a 516 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.400 matter of time before contracts come into play, and then 517 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.240 we find ourselves with the situation in which there's probably 518 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:09.839 a players union, and we start to get to a 519 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.920 point where we're just making another professional football league, right like, 520 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.279 there's gonna be the NFL, and then there's gonna be 521 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.119 a handful of college teams that make up this new 522 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.880 professional league, and then the ones that can't keep up 523 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:23.920 financially are probably going to play a more traditional version 524 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.519 of college football, and that'll be what we're looking at. 525 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.039 And when that happens, yes, we're gonna need injury reports 526 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.039 just like we get in the NFL, and there will 527 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.480 be some gamesmanship. I'm sure the Niners did that with 528 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.920 Christian McCaffrey to start the season, but ultimately we won't 529 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.279 have the situations like we're having at the University of Utah, which, again, 530 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.400 to be fair, if I'm in his shoes, I'm doing 531 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:46.160 that exact same thing. I don't see any reason to 532 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.160 give out information if you're not being for Sue. 533 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.640 Yeah, well said, Well said, And that's why you know. 534 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.839 I know fans are frustrated. I know the communities frustrated 535 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.160 because we get a game time decision week in and 536 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.480 week out, and then the game comes and he doesn't play. 537 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.200 And certainly it does remind. 538 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.839 Folks of a year ago as far as the same 539 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.880 situation happening week in and week out. 540 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.480 I do feel bad for the player. 541 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.279 I feel bad for Cam because he's just hurt, and 542 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.440 then once he's healthy, I think he's going to play. 543 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.119 But let me follow up with a question about Utah. 544 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.960 You already referenced that you feel like they should be 545 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.599 the favorite to make the playoff and win the Big 546 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.920 Twelve if Cam's under center. What if he's not, What 547 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.680 does that do to your opinion? What if it is 548 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.160 this eighteen year old true freshman Isaac Wilson the rest 549 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.160 of the season, You'd still think Utah can get it 550 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:32.039 done in the Big Twelve. 551 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.720 No, I gotta knock him out. And to be honest 552 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.839 with you, that kills me because I have a massive 553 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.440 bet on Utah winning that conference and going oh for 554 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.240 nine and a half. 555 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:40.880 Wins this season. 556 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.319 It was one of my favorite bets this year. So 557 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:47.960 outside of the Great Salt Lake region, Like, I'm probably 558 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:50.400 watching it as much Utah football as anybody out there, 559 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.400 and I think Wilson has made some big time throws. 560 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.079 He's got the arms strength, he's got that arm talent 561 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.839 you talk about at the next level. I've watched him 562 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.240 make some plays the second half of the Utah State game. 563 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.920 He did what he needed to do to win that 564 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.000 game and bring him back. But the thing is they 565 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:10.079 are way too inconsistent on offense, Like they've got no pop. 566 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.039 They have got to be able to hang points quickly 567 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:18.359 in certain spots. Arizona's not good. I'm sorry, but they're 568 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.799 not a good team. They got rolled up a couple 569 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.319 weeks before that game, and that was a great spot 570 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.200 for them because they're coming off the buy and Utah 571 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.119 was off that war at Oklahoma State. But there's no 572 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.960 excuse for losing that game and playing to that extent. 573 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.640 So Wilson down the road, maybe next season's got some potential. 574 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.440 But late in the season, you've got the UCF game, 575 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.759 which I know doesn't look all that daunting now because 576 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.240 they just lost to Colorado. You got Colorado on the schedule, 577 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.079 there's at least one other one that I'm blanking on 578 00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.079 right now that's going to be somewhat challenging. And while 579 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.920 it's not overwhelming, the fact that you beat Oklahoma State, 580 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.160 which was the only spot off season where you were 581 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.319 going to be an underdog, and then you blew it 582 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:01.960 the next week Arizona, you just kind of flushed all 583 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.359 that good will, like everything was set to just survive 584 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.880 Arizona and then kind of reset with the bye week 585 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.200 and everything. So, no, if you told me right now 586 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.039 it's gonna be Wilson the rest of the way, I 587 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.799 tell you they're losing at least one more game. 588 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.839 So the one game you may be blanking and I don't, 589 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.599 I won't hold you accountable for this is probably the 590 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.559 BYU game here in Salt Lake. 591 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:23.640 That's great call. 592 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.319 BYU has been very good this season. 593 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.200 Sure, And that's where I want to follow up because 594 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.400 you know Kalaatee Satake, their head coach, used to be 595 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:31.599 the decordinator up here. 596 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:33.400 I used to do a coach a show with him weekly, 597 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.640 So he's. 598 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.039 A friend, don't I don't hide the fact that I 599 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.079 want him to succeed so he can keep his job. 600 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.599 Joins the show, so does their offensive coordinator. 601 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:42.880 We're the home of the Utes, and of course we 602 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.079 want Utah to do well, but it's better around here 603 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.279 when both of these teams are good. So my question, Joe, 604 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.440 as of today, how good do you think BYU. 605 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.119 Is by who's been very good? And I think that's 606 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.319 the thing that's caught some people by surprise. They were 607 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.319 not projected to be one of those teams that was 608 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.160 going to make a lot of noise in the conference 609 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.680 this season, right, Like, there was some upside there, but 610 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.559 anywhere you went, at least from the stuff I read 611 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.799 from people who are professional gamblers and handicap this, they 612 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839 were kind of seen as like an on the fringe 613 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.440 sort of team that might make a little noise, but 614 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.039 we weren't going to take them too seriously. But again, 615 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.799 that leads into the whole wildcard factor of the Big 616 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.000 twelve conference in general, and they've proven to take advantage 617 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.400 of the opportunities that are out there with the Big 618 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.400 three stumbling early and often throughout the course of the season. So, 619 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.240 given what I've seen with the Flaws and the other teams, 620 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.240 so much of this comes down to key scheduling spots, 621 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.480 like what's just happened to Utah? The idea of playing 622 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.640 this war and then the next week you got to 623 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.160 play someone coming off of bye week. That stuff is 624 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.319 so important in college football, and I don't think people 625 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.400 realize that enough. You know, the third road game in 626 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:54.039 four weeks, or the matchup this weekend, for example, Alabama, 627 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.200 they're off a huge win and they're laying twenty four 628 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.519 against Vanderbilt. I think Vanderbilt is a great best weekend. 629 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.880 I think this is a really flat spot for Alabama. 630 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:04.880 I think they end up winning, yes, but I take 631 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.119 Vanderbilt plus the point. This is their super Bowl. 632 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:07.400 Man. 633 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.839 So back to your original question, Yes, I think BYU 634 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.039 is what we'd call live to win this conference because 635 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.640 so far, what we've seen is that it's wide open 636 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.279 and no one has seized upon the opportunities that have 637 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.640 been given them through the first month plus of the season. 638 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.599 You know, Deon Sanders, of course, is a lighting rod 639 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.799 for attention and either a polarizing figure depending on what 640 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.039 you believe about him. I appreciate the attention he brings 641 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.720 to this region and this conference, but I don't think 642 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.640 a lot of people thought we'd be sitting here Joe 643 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.559 talking about BYU Texas Tech and then Colorado atop the 644 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.160 conference two and oh four and one through five. Where 645 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.519 are you at as of today on Colorado's chances of 646 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.039 maybe even getting this thing done winning? 647 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.720 Are are they among the contenders to win the Big twelve? 648 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.559 You see, I might be the worst possible person to 649 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.240 ask about this because I came into the season and 650 00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.759 I was the same way last year. I sold him 651 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.200 as a very overvalued football team because you got a 652 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.519 lot of public money backing them up. You got a 653 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.559 lot of hype, but the team isn't good enough to 654 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.640 mess that hype, so there's opportunities to bet against them. 655 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:13.680 And last year I looked like a fool early in 656 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.319 the season because they kept winning. But then eventually I 657 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.839 had my day and they stumbled down the stretch, and 658 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.920 there were a lot of profitable opportunities there. Specifically, that 659 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.559 Oregon game that spread early in the year was way 660 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.839 too short. So now here we are again. I had 661 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.160 them dead to rights in that UCF game. It was 662 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.240 their third road game in four weeks. They were off 663 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.160 a huge win. UCF was off the by they were 664 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.559 going to play in the humidity in Florida, That was 665 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.640 earmark for a UCF win. They were two touchdown favorites, 666 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.799 and they got their rear ends kicked in that game, 667 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.880 absolutely kicked. That I think was the best win I've 668 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.160 seen from Deon Sanders in the last couple of seasons 669 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.640 he's been in Colorado. Very impressive to overcome the spot 670 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.599 like that and to put a whoop in on a 671 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:57.839 team to that extent. So I probably will continue to 672 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.680 doubt them. I will consider them overrated because I worry 673 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.839 about the offensive line and I worry about the defense 674 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.880 outside of Travis Hunter. But they've been proving me wrong 675 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.839 left and right. So mark my words on this one. 676 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.680 If we need to circle back in a few weeks 677 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.359 and you need to shove it right in my face, 678 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.839 you go ahead and do so. I'm going down with 679 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.160 that ship. But he's been proving me wrong so far 680 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:18.720 this season. 681 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.960 Back to the NFL. Which team, Maybe it's just the 682 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.759 Vikings because they're undefeated. Which team has been the most 683 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:28.279 difficult to kind of nail down as far as is 684 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.319 this real through four weeks? Which has been the most 685 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:32.960 And you can throw out a couple of names if 686 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.119 you want, Joe, but the most difficult NFL team to. 687 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:36.640 Try to understand what's happening right now. 688 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.920 I think it's the teams that zigzag that's the thing. 689 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.160 Like the Vikings are a pleasant surprise, but I think 690 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.440 we've learned that they're good. Right Like, maybe they're not great, 691 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.000 but look at them. They're four and oh, they've got 692 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.680 a great defense, quarterbacks number one in the NFL quarterback rating, 693 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.440 and they've beaten the Niners, the Texans and the Packers 694 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.839 and that was a road game. Like those are three 695 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:00.799 teams that were people were picking them to go to 696 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.359 the conference championship and win the Super Bowl this year, 697 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.279 right like, that is the most impressive strength of schedule 698 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.279 in the NFL so far. So they deserve all the 699 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.599 respect in the world. It's no longer a question of 700 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.240 whether or not they're good, it's just like, are they great? 701 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.079 The teams that are kind of like head scratchers trying 702 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.440 to figure them out, the Saints, the Falcons, right the Bucks, 703 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.359 almost everybody in the NFC South outside of Carolina, because 704 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.079 they've shown some promise, but they've also stumbled all over themselves. 705 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.559 I think a team like Pittsburgh might be a little 706 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.839 bit overvalued because they're winning all these one score games. 707 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.200 I think Kansas City is definitely overvalued. They're four and 708 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.039 oh with four to one score wins, like every opportunity 709 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:43.880 has been there for the opposition to beat them. I 710 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.079 don't think people realize how close Kansas City is to 711 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.839 being zero to four. But that's what great teams do. 712 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.839 They find ways to win ugly games. So those are 713 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.599 the teams that kind of get me, Like these teams 714 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.000 that might be two and two right now, where we've 715 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.799 seen them play really well in some games and sloppy 716 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:02.720 in others. It's hard to get a gauge. 717 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.640 So opening the season, as you know, Vegas was kind 718 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.480 of telling us that if you're going to lay a 719 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.559 bet on the Super Bowl, you should look to Kansas 720 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.759 City or San Francisco. And then there was a big 721 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.720 gap between those two and then you got into like 722 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.079 the Baltimore's. 723 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.200 And the Buffalos. 724 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.559 Through four weeks, What do the number say about the 725 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.480 best teams in pro football right now? 726 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.519 You know, Kansas City's still sitting at the top. Naturally, 727 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.440 they're undefeated, And the thing is, it's not so much 728 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.000 that they're undefeated, it's that no one else has made 729 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.440 a great case, like who is there. There was Buffalo, 730 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.200 but they were three and zero against three bad teams 731 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.079 and then they went out there and they got their 732 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.519 bucks kicked by a good team. So how good are they? 733 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.880 Speaking of Baltimore, all right, they're two and two, but 734 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.720 they've had some sloppy spots this season, and we all 735 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.759 know about their struggles in the playoffs. The Jets coaching 736 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.839 is definitely a problem. It's going to prevent them from 737 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.359 being great. They can be good, but Robert salav is 738 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.920 going to prevent them from being great. Houston, I think's 739 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.000 got vulnerabilities, and nobody's challet in the West with all 740 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.160 those injuries to the Chargers right now. So ultimately the 741 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.920 AFC is the Chiefs. It's hard to find someone else 742 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.039 to say, yeah, I really believe in in thirteen here, 743 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.920 like the Steelers, because I think quarterback play is going 744 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.559 to be a struggle there. Eagles, Cowboys down in the NFC. 745 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.519 You got to give a lot of respect to Minnesota. Okay, 746 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.840 you've got to respect Detroit. They should be undefeated. That 747 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.079 one loss. They gave that game away. They were one 748 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.719 for seven in the red zone. They outgained Tampa Bay 749 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.800 by two hundred and fifty total yards. Detroit's probably the 750 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.559 best team in my opinion in the NFC, and Minnesota's 751 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.320 right there with them. Green Bay is going to be formidable. 752 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.159 And then I want to say Seattle. I really want 753 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.639 to believe in Seattle, but they feel like they're one 754 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.119 year away from being a serious threat. That was a 755 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.400 good opportunity for them last night, and they showed some moxie, 756 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.519 but they got some problems. That was their first big 757 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.400 test and they got crushed defensively. 758 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:55.559 All right, Joe, Before I say you, Louise, I'm gonna 759 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.519 ask you the same question that I asked you about 760 00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.800 the NFL and ask you about archies me, I'm gonna 761 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.920 ask you out college football. We already talked big twelve, 762 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:05.840 but big picture juxtaposed to how everything started. What do 763 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.239 the numbers say about the teams that are legitimately going 764 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:09.480 to be in it at the end to win the 765 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:09.880 whole thing? 766 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.639 Well, I mean, Bama is just getting all the love 767 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.440 in the world right now because of that win, and 768 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.559 how could you not give it to them? I would say, 769 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.679 don't downgrade Georgia by too much because they went on 770 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.960 the road. They showed a lot of guts coming all 771 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.000 the way back in that game to take the lead late. 772 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.360 I think they I think they still very much deserve 773 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:30.159 everybody's respect. Oldness showed us their true colors. Anytime you 774 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.280 put pressure on Lane Kiffin and say it's gonna be 775 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.599 his year, anytime you put expectations on him, they're gonna 776 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.880 flop that. That's that's as right as rain in the 777 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.639 springtime in the Northeast, Like you know that that's coming. 778 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.400 So I would look around, I would say, I can't 779 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.559 wait to see Ohio State get tested, because we haven't 780 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.960 talked about them at all this season. I think Tennessee 781 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.480 deserves a lot of respect because everyone focuses on the 782 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.559 offense and the big play production, but on top of that, defensively, 783 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.199 they find a way to get some stops. And I 784 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.639 know MC State isn't great, but they throttle them. And 785 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.559 I know Oklahoma isn't great, but they've throttled them. They've 786 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.280 got some reputable teams on their schedule and they've absolutely 787 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.000 kicked everybody's butt. So that's the team I'm kind of 788 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.239 watching right now. They got two big tests the rest 789 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.159 of the way, one of which is going to be Alabama. 790 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.760 Very interested to see how the rest of the season 791 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:19.719 goes for Tennessee. 792 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.320 Joe, I appreciate the time, man, keep up the great work. 793 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.199 We'd love to do it again. 794 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:24.679 Suon Okay, it. 795 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.280 Was my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me on 796 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:26.559 the show. 797 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.679 All right, Joe Fordon Baugh he is on ESPN the 798 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.840 ESPN BET Live show on ESPN two. Has a radio 799 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.159 show called Carlin Versus Joe Monday through Friday noon to three. 800 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.400 That's Eastern time on ESPN Radio. Get him on Twitter, 801 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.440 just his name at Joe Fordenbaz where you find him. 802 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.039 All Right, before we catch a break, I want to 803 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.480 tell you about my friends at Clearwater Distilling. Clear Water 804 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.559 Distilling is the only distillery in Utah County open on Sundays. 805 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.840 Great spirits. They've got a tasting room and the nicest 806 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.599 crew around. 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After forty years with the Utah Jazz, 826 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:56.079 there's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty 827 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.840 Smith is back on the drive on ESPN seven hundred. 828 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.679 All right, Scott Mitchell is gonna roll by coming up 829 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.559 in about an hour from right now, and then Bill 830 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:10.000 Riley will join us. Following Scott's hit. Bill's gonna join 831 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.320 us at four point thirty. So back to some college football, 832 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.639 some good stuff with Joe Fordenba today talking a little 833 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.440 pro football, little college football. 834 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.199 But it's been too long. 835 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.960 We have our guy back in studio forty years with 836 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.119 the Jazz front office and now just living the dream. 837 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.400 Richard Smith, Smitty, Happy Tuesday, buddy. How are we doing? 838 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.559 It is a dream too, I know. 839 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.360 Look look look where I've gotten the station in life 840 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.360 that I've gotten to right now, we're on the opening 841 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.800 act for the big hitters like Scott Mitchell and Bill Riley. 842 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.119 How about that? Yeah, I mean we would have thunk it. 843 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.920 This is the you caught the final branch, Smittie. We're 844 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.079 your final branch. We're propping you up. But we appreciate 845 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:47.440 your time. 846 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:47.599 Man. 847 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.800 How you been What's what's What's what's been going on 848 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:50.039 with you? 849 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:50.320 Hey? 850 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.960 We've been on this this worldwide tour that my wife 851 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.760 and I have been on all year and in and 852 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.000 out of town every month. We have something going on. 853 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.800 And we were back and got my my final two 854 00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.320 baseball parks in and uh so I've got all thirty 855 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.280 ballparks under my belt. We did that and went to 856 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.400 the US open, and then went down a couple of 857 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.840 weeks ago down to Phoenix to see Green Day and 858 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.639 concert and a couple of baseball games. And now next 859 00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:22.639 week because of our good friend Wesley Rouff and thanks 860 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.960 again the West, he he got me in with Gina 861 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.840 down at the the PGA tournament at Black Desert. So 862 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.400 we're gonna volunteer and work down there next week and 863 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.039 and have some fun seeing the course for the first time. 864 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.320 I know, I know, guys like you've been down there 865 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.599 mastering the course. 866 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:40.559 For VIP playing. 867 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:41.440 Yeah, I got it. 868 00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.719 I got it, man, And that's why I'll be down 869 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:48.039 there working and probably emptying the garbage cans or or 870 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:48.760 doing something. 871 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.760 But like I said, living the dream. It sounds like. 872 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.480 All right, before we do, little Jazz, I wanted to 873 00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.039 you know, we said goodbye to the bees here in 874 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.679 the Capital City last week. I wasn't able to get 875 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.039 down there last week, and I have been to a 876 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:03.599 couple of games this year. Wanted to make sure I 877 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.679 got to a couple before they moved. And you were there, 878 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.679 and our guy Frank was there. I wonder what that 879 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.480 was like. Frank has been such a fixture at that 880 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.039 ballpark and you have two and after thirty years, they're 881 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.000 heading down south to Daybreak, And you know, I'm a 882 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.719 fan of the Miller's obviously with what Gail, Larry before Gail, 883 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.440 and then both of them, then Gail as the lone 884 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.760 steward after Larry's passing, and I believe in their plan. 885 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.199 You know, I've had Steve starkson studio and if the 886 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.599 endgame here is major League Baseball, which we all hope 887 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.079 it is, I understand it. I live in Salt Lake, 888 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:35.800 so it's a little bit of a bummer for me 889 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.960 and excited for our friends and daybreaks to experience it. 890 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.320 But what was it like to be there for the 891 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.119 final time with Frank, Yeah, it was. 892 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:46.639 It was interesting. It was very It was very emotional, 893 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.800 just from the standpoint that while you're there and at 894 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.519 the end of the game, they let everybody come down 895 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.119 and like run the bases or kind of just experience 896 00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:58.239 being on the field for a moment, you know. And 897 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.760 they usually do that with young kids after weekend games, 898 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.000 or run the bases, but they they just let everybody 899 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.440 come down and there were older folks down there with 900 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.679 their with their canes and just walking, you know, from 901 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.920 from home to first or whatever, just to be on 902 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.320 the field one last time, and it was, uh, it 903 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:18.119 was quite emotion think about it. Spencer Andy Larson did 904 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.920 a great piece on this prior to it, uh with 905 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.760 the sole A Tribune that that you know, baseball has 906 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.239 been played on the corner of West Temple and Thirteenth 907 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.000 South for almost one hundred years, you know, and now 908 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.119 it's uh, uh it's going away. I you know, I'm 909 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.719 in the same boat with you. I get it. You know, Hey, 910 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.159 look we're doing this with the Bees and and and 911 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.400 uh the week later, the Oakland A's at the major 912 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.639 league level are doing it, you know, in Oakland, and 913 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.880 they're leaving, and you know, and that's just you know 914 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.719 that that's happened over the course of time and in 915 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.840 pro sports and teams leave and and and so forth. 916 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.599 But you know, they're not leaving the market, o leaving 917 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.719 for a different venue. But one of the misnomers, uh, 918 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.280 I want to throw out there just to correct for 919 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.679 people who who think that was the closing of the 920 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.119 ballpark and and that uh, and that baseball is done there. Actually, 921 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:18.760 next spring, Utah Baseball will still be playing one more 922 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:23.159 year at Smith's Ballpark as their ballpark being built up 923 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.000 at the university campus. Uh is being finished, so there'll 924 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.960 actually be some baseball played their next spring as a 925 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.599 as a last hurrah if you will, for for people 926 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.440 who want to get down there and and see it 927 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:37.159 one more time. 928 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:37.880 Uh. 929 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.519 But but it was emotional. They had a great Phil 930 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.960 Collins song playing over the speakers at the end of 931 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.599 the game, you know about going home and stuff and 932 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.360 and uh uh. 933 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:50.960 You know it was Uh, it was. 934 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.559 It got a little tearful as you were walking out 935 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.480 and going this, I guess this is it. 936 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.199 This is this is the end of it. 937 00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.559 Certainly, Frank can speak for himself, as we all know, 938 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.480 and I'll ask him this next time I have the opportunity, 939 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:03.880 But I wonder if you could shed some light on 940 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.159 what it was like for him. Seventh innen stretch. You know, 941 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.199 that's his deal, man, So what do you think it 942 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:09.840 was like for Frank? 943 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.400 No, And I'll tell you what. He was in great form. 944 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.639 He not only did the seventh inning stretch and take 945 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.320 me out to the ball game, but he had added 946 00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.559 just a little, a little ten second note at the 947 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.800 end of it about We're gonna miss your old ballpark 948 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.239 and we love you. And God bless everybody you know 949 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.000 that's been coming here all these years, or something something 950 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:36.239 to that effect. And it was very heartfelt, and I know, 951 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.440 as Frank, only Frank can do. He spoke from the 952 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.960 heart and right off the top, and it was a 953 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.440 nice conclusion, you. 954 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.840 Know, to it help help me remember Abbottsfield Brooklyn Dodgers, Yes, right, 955 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.159 I mean maybe one of, if not the most famous 956 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:56.280 baseball teams to get out of town. Yeah, Frank, Frank 957 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.480 was a fan, right, and so he watched the Brooklyn 958 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:00.000 Dodgers become the Los Angeles. 959 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.599 You saw them move from Brooklyn after the fifty seventh season, 960 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.559 and most people forget or or you know, if you're 961 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.960 not a real baseball fan, maybe not aware that both 962 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.639 New York City and it's heyday in the forties and 963 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:18.599 fifties when all the teams were competitive, the Brooklyn Dodgers, 964 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.280 the New York Yankees of course in the Bronx, and 965 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.000 then the New York Giants. They were over in the 966 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.920 Polo Grounds, which from a physical standpoint, you could walk 967 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.519 from one to the other. They were only like three 968 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.840 miles apart, but three three big time major league teams, 969 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.119 and after the fifty seventh season, the Dodgers leave Brooklyn 970 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.760 to go to la and the Giants leave the Polo 971 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.760 Grounds and go to San Francisco. And it was actually 972 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:55.920 a time when both the owners got together, of the 973 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.800 Dodgers and the Giants, and said, hey, we're gonna move. Yeah, 974 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.159 you're gonna move, because we're not gonna move unless you're moving. Yeah, 975 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.480 we'll do this together. We'll do it at the same time, 976 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.519 so we'll be natural rivals on the West coast, which 977 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.159 you know, just transferred the rivalry from the East Coast 978 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.320 to the West coast. But they actually there was a 979 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.639 moment in time spence during all that where the two 980 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.280 owners were trying to negotiate, now, where do you want 981 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.559 to go? Yeah, well we were thinking about well, I 982 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.880 don't know, we kind of liked that too, but what 983 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.679 do you think about? And they actually just kind of 984 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.880 sat in a room one night and just hashed it 985 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.159 out and said, well, we'll go to San Francisco, Okay, Yeah, 986 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.559 that'll be okay. Ye are you sure because we're gonna 987 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.719 go to l Yeah okay. And so it was easy 988 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.400 as that, but both of them made the move with 989 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.199 the idea that we have to we have to make 990 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.679 get more revenue from where we are now. And not 991 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.480 only was it tendance, but it was also in concessions. 992 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.599 It was also parking because if you had knew anything 993 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.320 about Brooklyn and the Polo Grounds, there was no parking 994 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.519 around those venues, and so it was all you know, 995 00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.559 you know, hit and miss and for the fans and 996 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.400 all that. So they both moved west. They both built 997 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:08.039 ballparks where they owned the parking around the structure around 998 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.440 the facility. So and to this day it's still the same. Obviously, 999 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.360 in La Chavez Ravine, you go to a Dodger game, 1000 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.039 you have to park in the Dodgers parking lot because 1001 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.519 there's nowhere else to go. Now, there's some people who 1002 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.119 park down the street like two miles away and they 1003 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:32.880 make the half hour walk or whatever. But realistically, they 1004 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.000 built it and they surrounded the ballpark with a three 1005 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.119 hundred and sixty degree parking lot. So you go to 1006 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.599 a Dodger game, you have to pay them to park, 1007 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.000 and of course they owned the concession, so they got 1008 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.920 all this money. And that's how they built up their 1009 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.320 their farm system in the sixties and seventies and became 1010 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.440 very competitive and obviously still are today. And the Giants 1011 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.159 did the same thing when they originally moved you know, 1012 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.519 west and got Candlestick Park. 1013 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:02.239 Yeah, you know, leveland Browns, the Baltimore Raven stuff. Like, 1014 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.039 communities lose their teams all the time. One more thing 1015 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.239 on this though, because I found myself a little, I 1016 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.920 don't know, a little, I guess sympathetic to the folks 1017 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.000 in Oakland because now they've lost the Warriors, they've lost 1018 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.519 the Raiders, and they've lost the A's. Now, as you 1019 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.960 just outlined the motivation behind all these moves, it's one thing. 1020 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:21.599 It's one thing. 1021 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.239 Only the golden rule is the man with the gold 1022 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.519 makes the rules, and folks trying to you know, generate 1023 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.159 more revenue and create more revenue streams, parking and such 1024 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.159 in the Bay Area, I guess has provided that for 1025 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.719 the Warriors in a way that Oakland, I guess couldn't 1026 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.199 hang on to the Raiders. And now they've lost their 1027 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.400 baseball team. What do you make of when a community 1028 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:41.960 like that. I mean, it's one thing for Salt Lake 1029 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.440 to lose our minor league baseball team. To daybreak, if 1030 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.760 you want to go see the Bees, you just have 1031 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.280 to drive another twenty three minutes. You know, it's a 1032 00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.239 whole other thing when a community over the past I 1033 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.400 don't know, six seven, eight years, has lost a basketball 1034 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.159 team that won four titles when they were there, a 1035 00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.639 football team that won two titles while they were there, 1036 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.159 and a baseball team who at one point was thought 1037 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.880 to be the Darleida Major League Baseball. They never got 1038 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:06.760 over the well they won back in the day. But 1039 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.920 like the Billy Bean moneyball stuff. You know, some great 1040 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.960 Oakland A's memories certainly old enough to remember the Bash Brothers, 1041 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:19.159 can Sagua McGuire so three like community changing assets gone? 1042 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:19.559 Yep? 1043 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:20.519 What do you make of that? 1044 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.679 And for people who aren't aren't aren't really familiar with it. 1045 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.320 In the Oakland area, those two venues are literally right 1046 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.719 next door to each other, as it should, right off 1047 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.840 the freeway, the A eighty, and they share a huge 1048 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.679 parking lot area. And to have that whole that whole 1049 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.599 complex now is literally just sitting there. I don't know 1050 00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:46.400 what the plans are by Oakland or Alameda County that 1051 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.880 runs those facilities, but it's uh, it's really a shame. 1052 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.760 It's really now literally a ghost town. You drive by 1053 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.800 them and there's nothing going on. You know, everything is shifted, 1054 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.000 whether it was with the Warriors, you know, over to 1055 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.599 the San Francisco side, you know, and they're right down 1056 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.840 the street from where the Giants are, uh now, and 1057 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.280 so everything's kind of centered in San Francisco. And and 1058 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.039 uh of course the Raiders moved to Vegas and now 1059 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.320 the supposedly the A's are going to eventually be in 1060 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:18.400 Vegas at some point. 1061 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.119 But it's but, but it's tough. Look, the. 1062 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.000 Raiders had the fan base, h they just wanted They 1063 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.760 just wanted a new setup and new revenue streams that 1064 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.159 Oakland couldn't provide the A's dwindling attendance and in the 1065 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.159 last ten fifteen years, wanted to get a new ballpark 1066 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.079 like the Giants had, couldn't get it, and the taxpayers 1067 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.519 there kept kept voting it down and so and and 1068 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.800 and rightfully, so why should they pay money for somebody 1069 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.920 else's business, you know, Larry Miller always took that stance. 1070 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.239 You know, why why would I ask the taxpayers for 1071 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.119 money when it's my business? 1072 00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:57.480 You know. 1073 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:02.159 So the A's are now gonna, you know, go to 1074 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.079 Sacramento for a few years and hopefully get eventually to Vegas. 1075 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.440 But that's gonna be another interesting thing. The whole Vegas 1076 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.280 a's thing if you look into it, because they're tearing 1077 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.840 down the Tropic Cane when I was there a few 1078 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.559 months ago. It is coming down. It's it's a big 1079 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.800 construction site. And yet you know, there are several engineers 1080 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.440 who have written independent people have written reports about that 1081 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:28.000 footprint and Vegas on that corner across from MGM Grand 1082 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.920 and saying you cannot put a major league ballpark on 1083 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.800 that footprint and make it work in terms of the 1084 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.400 logistics and what you really need engineering wise, not to 1085 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.920 say what it would impact obviously with traffic and parking 1086 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.199 and all the things. But that part of Vegas in 1087 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.159 the south end of the strip is like that anyway. 1088 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.239 It's it's a big mess in the zoo. And you know, 1089 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.639 but everybody goes anyway, right, everybody's going to the Raiders games. 1090 00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.199 People flock in to see the w n b A, 1091 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.880 the Aces play T Mobile is always packed whenever they 1092 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.760 have college games at T Mobile. They've figured it out 1093 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.400 at UNLV at Thomas and Max, so they'll figure something out. 1094 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.320 But it's it's going to be interesting. It's not this 1095 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.280 Slam dunk deal. I think that a lot of people 1096 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.760 are assuming the A's are automatically going to that site. 1097 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.679 That's that's going to be an interesting thing to watch. 1098 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.599 Last thing in this space, then we'll move on. 1099 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.880 And Commissioner Silver gave his annual you know, State of 1100 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:26.679 the Union whatever you call it, prior to the start 1101 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.760 of training camps in the NBA, and he said, you know, 1102 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:33.920 there's no imminent plans to expand, but eventually they will. 1103 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.239 And the talent's there, certainly in pro basketball when you 1104 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.440 look at a lot of the players that are out 1105 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:40.239 of the league. 1106 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.400 That seem to be still somewhat young and really good. 1107 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.440 I would imagine, you know, there was an argument at 1108 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.440 a time, you know, at one time that expansion would 1109 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.079 dilute the talent. I don't know that I'm there with 1110 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.679 it anymore when it does happen, because I'm also old 1111 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:59.440 enough to remember commissioners, you know, Pete Roselle, David Stern, 1112 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:03.199 Bargie Imadi, like older commissioners that are no longer there 1113 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.559 talking about how they would never touch Vegas because of 1114 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.880 the gambling, the nightlife or whatever it is. And now 1115 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.599 everything has changed because all these sports are in bed 1116 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.199 with the gambling companies and and so now it feels 1117 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.960 like Vegas, Super Bowl, Final Four, whatever it is when 1118 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.079 the NBA experience, Do you think it is Vegas? 1119 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:22.320 Do you think it's Seattle? What do you think that 1120 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:22.639 looks like? 1121 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.280 Yeah, that's what I would think, Spencer. The logical places 1122 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:31.480 are are Seattle and Las Vegas, as the crent economy dictates. 1123 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.159 You know, Saint Louis may try and get in the mix, 1124 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:40.199 Louisville may try and get in the mix. Vancouver or Montreal. 1125 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.760 I'd be behind Vancouver. I was that we lost that sit. 1126 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.800 Yeah, and uh, you know, they'll all be in the mix. 1127 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.039 All have have groups that will that will make a 1128 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.639 pitch anyway. But it just seems like the big dogs 1129 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.239 in the fight at the moment would be those in 1130 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.280 Seattle and the people who want to get it in Vegas, 1131 00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.440 because that just seems to to be where everybody is flowing. 1132 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.760 And the NBA has a relationship with Las Vegas for 1133 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.960 the last twenty years with the Summer League and they 1134 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.679 and until last year, we're also holding the g League 1135 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.199 Showcase there in December every year, and the league would 1136 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.760 have meetings there and every team would be there so 1137 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.039 those seem like the logical places that they would go 1138 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:23.559 to next. 1139 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.719 So before we maybe we'll just do some jazz on 1140 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.639 our next segment, because I did want to kick the 1141 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.559 tires with you on some news that came down today. 1142 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.360 Gonzaga is going to join the PAC twelve. 1143 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.320 And you know, Mark Fuse, a guy who I know 1144 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.360 that you know, and he's probably had opportunities to take 1145 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.480 jobs and other places over the course of his career 1146 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.920 because he's been so good up there. But from a 1147 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.360 college basketball standpoint as far as how much it moves 1148 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:48.920 the needle, I just wanted to get your take on 1149 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.800 what mark is built up there because Gonzaga is joining 1150 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.679 a conference because of the basketball program, right, which is 1151 00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:58.000 a rarity in today's day and age of college athletics. 1152 00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:59.840 The only other school I can think of that would 1153 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:01.960 be able to do something like this is Yukon, right, 1154 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.960 because the football program is, you know, not what the 1155 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.760 basketball program is. But what do you make of what 1156 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.599 mark is built up at Gonzaga where they can actually 1157 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.559 get a conference invite because of their basketball prowess only? 1158 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.039 Yeah, Well, it's a tremendous a feather in their cap 1159 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.559 that they've had that kind of a program for over 1160 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:26.920 twenty years now twenty five years and counting. They don't 1161 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:31.679 have football at Gonzaga, so they rely heavily on men's 1162 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:37.000 basketball for whether it's revenue streams or whether it's increased 1163 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:41.559 enrollment or applications for admission and that kind of thing. 1164 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.079 What Mark Few will do? 1165 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:44.599 You know? 1166 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.039 That would be interesting because I don't know, you know, 1167 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.239 if and this is just me, I don't know anything 1168 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.960 about it at all, But you know, when you're making 1169 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.559 a move like that, are you still going to be 1170 00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:00.360 the big dog, you know, or as you say, the 1171 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.960 big fish in the little pond as they've been for 1172 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.679 so long in the West Coast Conference right Saint Mary's 1173 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.559 is as has far them somewhat by U somewhat when 1174 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.159 they were in it, but they were always the top dog. 1175 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:14.719 And now, uh, if you're not, if you're not going 1176 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.920 to do that, and now with N I N I 1177 00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:22.440 L stuff and and the and the transfer portal, how 1178 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.480 are you What is it going to be your attraction 1179 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.800 to those players to keep them and what is going 1180 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:32.199 to be your base from a uh financial standpoint to 1181 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.440 be able to stay where you are in those circles 1182 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.480 that you know, Uh, they've been. They've been more than 1183 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.480 a few coaches spent just in the last couple of 1184 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.000 years that I've known, who have said, Hey, I can't 1185 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.239 deal it, deal with it. It's a whole different deal. 1186 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.559 I'm out of here, you know, and have just retired 1187 00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.800 and left the game, you know, whether it's Randy Ray 1188 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.039 up at Weaver Stay or whether it was uh Jay 1189 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:59.519 at then at Villanova. You know, Mike Krychevski of course, 1190 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.480 is a little bit older, so you know, probably a 1191 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.599 ripe time for him to retire anyway, but a lot 1192 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.559 of prominent guys in the last couple of years have said, 1193 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.079 you know, I don't think I can deal with this stuff, 1194 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:15.320 and so Gonzaiga moving into that kind of conference will 1195 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.159 be interesting to see just how Mark Few deals with 1196 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.760 that on a personal and professional level going forward. 1197 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:28.280 All Right, some sad news the surface this week. And 1198 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.480 I had a chance on a few occasions to meet 1199 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.400 to Kenby Matambaugh. He was at Patrick Ewan's retirement of 1200 00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:38.320 the Garden. And you know, jazz fans remember great battles 1201 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.599 with Mark and Carl you know, back when the kembe 1202 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:45.159 was in Denver, when he was in Atlanta, the Knicks 1203 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.440 and the Hawks had a little thing going back and forth. 1204 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.119 And you know, we could talk about his game, certainly 1205 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.119 a second all time in blocks, one of the best 1206 00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.400 rebounding block shot bigs of that era. But it seems 1207 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.800 like most of the conversation this weeksman has been about 1208 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.239 who he was when he wasn't playing as an ambassador. 1209 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.719 And you are uniquely qualified to talk about this. You've 1210 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.800 done some stuff basketball without borders down in Africa's home country, 1211 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.519 republic of Congo. What would you tell our listeners about 1212 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.159 your knowledge of Dekembe as he passed away this week 1213 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:15.039 at the age of fifty eight. 1214 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:18.360 Yeah, what what sad news to get You know that 1215 00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.760 he died of brain cancer and one awful thing to 1216 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.039 have to deal with and at such a young age. 1217 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.760 He Uh, he was a very impactful player on the court. 1218 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.000 He was very meaningful to the teams that he played 1219 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.719 for in terms of his personality, in terms of his 1220 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:42.000 his total approach to the profession. You know, he was 1221 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.280 really a great locker room guy, uh that that rally 1222 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.719 people around him, but even more so off the court, 1223 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:55.000 both for his home country, both for the continent of Africa, 1224 00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:59.519 both as an ambassador for the NBA. He was the 1225 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:05.119 first official NBA Ambassador, International ambassador, and and was employed 1226 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.760 by the NBA for for many many years to go 1227 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.079 around the world and and and preach the game of 1228 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.519 basketball and to represent the NBA at the highest levels. 1229 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.519 And he was a guy who could get it done, 1230 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.960 and he had that personality. He also had a certain 1231 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.920 level of humbleness about him, you know, where he was 1232 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.199 able to meet you know, dignitaries and and uh politicians 1233 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:35.119 in different countries and at the highest level and be 1234 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.639 able to get in the door and and talk with 1235 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.800 them about you know, spreading the game and building basketball 1236 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:45.199 courts and getting infrastructures in place for countries and uh 1237 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.800 to uh to to get involved in in this sport. 1238 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.760 And he was just a great global ambassador And and 1239 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:56.840 what a what a genuine person he was who was 1240 00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:00.719 grateful for the opportunities he got in this country to 1241 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.239 do what he loved to do, and then was all 1242 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:07.559 about giving back to that after his career. And what 1243 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.360 a loss for the game basketball, what a loss for 1244 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.599 humanity in general to have someone like him pass away 1245 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:16.960 at such an early age. 1246 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:18.039 Yeah, well said all right. 1247 00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.840 Coming up next to Jazz open up training camp. It 1248 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.480 is that week in pro basketball, so we'll do a 1249 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.880 little jazz coming up on the other side. Also, Donovan 1250 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.199 Mitchell loves Cleveland because he can dress for the cold 1251 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:29.559 and he's excited about the future. 1252 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.079 Where have we heard that before? 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We've got Scott Mitchell 1270 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.960 stopping by today at four o'clock to talk some Utah football. 1271 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.239 Then the voice of the Utes, Bill Riley, will be 1272 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:32.119 our guest after that. 1273 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.519 So some college football coming your way. We'll get back 1274 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.840 at that. Coming up in a bit. Smitty is live 1275 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.320 in studio. The great Richard Smith forty years. 1276 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.239 With the Jazz Front Office, speaking of college football so many. 1277 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.239 We might have two really good teams in our state. 1278 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.800 We got little Utes, little Cougars. Both both look like 1279 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.639 they're pretty good this year. Hey, let's get Smitty's mic on. 1280 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:52.840 All right, let's try again. I just so you know, 1281 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.280 I cannot control your mic or my mic in the studio. 1282 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:56.960 So okay, okay, yeah, you're good. 1283 01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:00.519 Now a couple of It's always better when they're both good, 1284 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:01.599 chief right. 1285 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.639 Hey, Hey, there's probably some other factors involved in going, Hey, 1286 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.159 we've heard enough of that guy already. 1287 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:08.320 Somebody cut his mic off or something. 1288 01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:12.199 No, it's a much more nuanced, you know, the explanation 1289 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.519 one that will leave off air for today. But you're 1290 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.320 you're a man of the community. We got both b 1291 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:17.880 y U and Utah footballer concerned. 1292 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.719 Oh hey, I've been to the U games the last 1293 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.440 few games at home and went to the game the 1294 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.400 other night and and uh, you know, just you know, 1295 01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.960 I thought Arizona just outplayed them. You know, they they 1296 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.840 What they really did to me, for me was that 1297 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:38.639 Arizona every time they had a critical third down play, 1298 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.960 they made the play. And you have to give them 1299 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.400 credit for that. They they went out and got it. 1300 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.639 I thought I didn't think it was something you know, 1301 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.559 so called that the that the you gave away a 1302 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.559 lost as much as Arizona came and took it from him. 1303 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.079 And so you have to give them credit. They just 1304 01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:55.719 played better. 1305 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:56.400 Uh. 1306 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.719 And and b y U is off to a tremendous start, 1307 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.400 and uh, the quarterback is really it seems like he's 1308 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:05.840 settling in and and they've had a couple of close calls, 1309 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.440 but they but they've been good enough to to make 1310 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.760 them again make the plays when they had to make him. 1311 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:12.960 In football, a lot of times it comes down to 1312 01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.800 one or two critical plays or a key turnover, you know, 1313 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.880 in the second half of the game and and uh uh. 1314 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.360 But they're both fun to watch, and it's fun to 1315 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:24.840 to see how this season evolves, you know, with the 1316 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.880 whole cam rising uh Isaac Wilson thing and and UH 1317 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.719 and and what's gonna happen as we get into UH 1318 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.599 through the month of October and where they're both sitting 1319 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.360 uh in in UH and set up for the big 1320 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:41.000 showdown in early November. Up but Rice cycles between the 1321 01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:41.960 Cougars and the Utes. 1322 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.039 I wanted to kick the tires with you on this 1323 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.360 topic because you know, Donovan Mitchell uh in a way 1324 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.880 that we the rest of us just don't. I mean, 1325 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:52.960 you were with the team when you drafted him. You 1326 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.519 were there at the start, you watched his evolution, and 1327 01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:57.719 I was over there. But on the radio side, you 1328 01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.719 don't have the same access obviously as you want the 1329 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.960 player personnel side. And whenever Donovan speaks, folks around here 1330 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.159 seemed to glom on to what he talks about. It 1331 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.639 was the same thing with Heyward. When Gordon bounced, everybody 1332 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.679 around here was like waiting for him to say something, 1333 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.480 but ultimately he never said until he retired. 1334 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:14.920 And I get the deal. 1335 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.039 You know that, So do you what Donovan said yesterday 1336 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.000 during Cleveland Media Day caught a lot of attention around 1337 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.920 here because he said, I love it here. I feel 1338 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.360 a connection to the city. I don't mind cold weather. 1339 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:27.400 I know how to dress for winter. And honestly, if 1340 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.480 you close your eyes, it was back during his rookie 1341 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.920 year what he said those things about Utah, right, and 1342 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.559 so that's the game. You're supposed to say those things. 1343 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.360 Now we could get into like you know, New York 1344 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.440 didn't want him and now they don't need him. 1345 01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.480 Brooklyn's rebuilding. 1346 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.360 The Knicks app Jalen like, there's no way the Knicks 1347 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.119 we're going to make a play for Donovan Mitchell and 1348 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.400 Brooklyn doesn't want to be good. So the fact of 1349 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.239 the matter is he can say whatever he wants. He 1350 01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:55.400 signed with Cleveland right right after it became pretty apparent 1351 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:56.920 that that was just the deal. He could make more 1352 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.719 money stay and put that's my opinion. And I like 1353 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.000 you not up in arms about these things because you 1354 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.440 you're taught to say certain things to appease a fan base. 1355 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:09.400 But it was somewhat comical that if you closed your eyes, 1356 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:11.519 it did sound like what Donovan said about Salt Lake. 1357 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:14.440 Yeah, well, I mean and I I'm one of those 1358 01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:18.920 who probably feels more that that coming from him, that 1359 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:23.119 both times he spoke in that regard that he probably 1360 01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.320 meant it. You know, he liked being here in Salt 1361 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.119 Lake when he first got here, and he really ingratiated 1362 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.920 himself within the community and and made a lot of 1363 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:33.800 stuff off the court. 1364 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.280 Uh. 1365 01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.880 It took took initiative to get involved in the community 1366 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.320 and did that. And I think he really he really 1367 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.920 liked I think that's part of his personality. And I 1368 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.280 think now he's in Cleveland and he signed a new 1369 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:51.079 deal with them Spence. Uh, I believe he probably feels 1370 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:53.760 genuinely that way. I think he likes where he is, 1371 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:59.880 you know, but certainly after right after signing an a 1372 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.760 extension for one hundred and fifty million dollars, you're not 1373 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.880 gonna say, I don't really like the weather. I don't 1374 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.960 know about this traffic I gotta deal with every day. 1375 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.599 But you know, I'll figure it out whatever. 1376 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.880 Yeah, you know, so you know, I don't, I don't. 1377 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:18.559 I don't begrudge of any of that. I think he's 1378 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.760 you know, he's also got a lot of weight on 1379 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:24.079 his shoulders with that team now moving forward, they've got 1380 01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.519 a new coach and Kenny Atkinson, and and you know, 1381 01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.360 they hired Johnny Bryant to be on their staff. So 1382 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.679 they hired him away from the from the New York 1383 01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:37.800 Knicks staff. And Johnny Bryant was with Donovan's workout development 1384 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.880 guy from day one on the Jazz coaching staff, and 1385 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:42.639 so they have a unique relationship. 1386 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.360 And so they're reunited in Cleveland. 1387 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.679 And and uh and now he's you know, he's the 1388 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.079 big dog with a lot of young guys there, and 1389 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.719 and they've got a good team and I'm sure he's 1390 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.440 excited for them to be able to start making some progress, 1391 01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:03.119 especially as their as their younger players start to get 1392 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.400 more and more experience under their belts. 1393 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:08.440 All right, Tommidty, before we move over to the Jazz 1394 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:10.280 and that's where we'll spend the rest of our time 1395 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:14.559 after this topic. You don't get a ton of big 1396 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.440 NBA trades in September at October, but you get some. 1397 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.599 And by the way, Donovan was traded in September, So 1398 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.039 sometimes it happens more often than not this time of year. 1399 01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.199 Teams know what's sort of hand, they've been del they're 1400 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.599 preparing for camp with their roster, but the Knicks and 1401 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.360 the Wolves make a deal last Friday. It was a 1402 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.519 Friday news dump where Julius Randall and Dante dia Vincenzo 1403 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:38.320 are now Minnesota bounds and Karl Anthony Towns is going 1404 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:41.039 going back to play for Tom Thibodeau, who had him 1405 01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:41.599 in Minnesota. 1406 01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:42.519 I believe for a little bit. 1407 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.840 I think I'll just I want your thoughts. Essentially, I 1408 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:52.239 think the talent win is in New York's court. I 1409 01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:55.400 have curiosities about how Tom's going to handle that rotation 1410 01:06:55.480 --> 01:07:00.920 because it will be I believe Kat andnob Hartridge Bronson, 1411 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.440 and that's a team with some great wing defenders, but 1412 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:06.440 not a lot of size and a center of that 1413 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:08.920 doesen't board great for his size. I mean, Kat can 1414 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:10.880 do a lot, But what do you make of this 1415 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.000 both both sides, Randall, Deevincenzo Minnesota bound, cat heads to 1416 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:15.360 New York. 1417 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.280 Yeah, I think it's uh New York is shoring up 1418 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.880 the center position. Of course, they lost Isaiah Hartenstein Uh 1419 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.239 in the in the off season as a free agent 1420 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:32.239 Oklahoma City. You know they they're the Robinson kid, Who's 1421 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:37.039 who's Who's got some talent and can affect winning some 1422 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:41.199 nights at the NBA level. Uh, he's hard to He's 1423 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.599 been hard for them to count on because of his 1424 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.400 injury history. He seems to always be in and out, 1425 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.679 in and out, and so you can't count on his availability. 1426 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.960 So if you're gonna be somebody a team that feels 1427 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.199 like you have a legitimate chance to make some kind 1428 01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.679 of extended run in the spring, then you need somebody 1429 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.320 that you can count on more and more consistently during 1430 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:07.239 the course of the season. And I think that was 1431 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:10.400 an impetus for the Dicks to make the move to 1432 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:15.239 get an All Star caliber player and Karl Anthony Towns 1433 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.399 at a position where they needed some stability and needed 1434 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.720 a main guy, and and they got one from Minnesota. 1435 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:27.880 It always seemed like Rudy Gobert and and Uh and 1436 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.840 Towns were kind of bumping into each other. I mean, 1437 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:33.359 they're both natural centers. 1438 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.039 Uh. 1439 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:37.039 They tried to play Towns at the four. They had, 1440 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:39.800 you know, some success with it, right, and but it 1441 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.800 always felt like it was a square pegan a round 1442 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.720 hole as far as their lineup was concerned. And now 1443 01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:50.159 that frees up, Uh, they're spacing a little bit more. 1444 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.680 They get Randall in there. Uh and and Randall is 1445 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:58.479 a great mid post score who can bring them some 1446 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.239 some offense, you know, you know, you lose a lot 1447 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.600 of offense in that regard, but you have a little 1448 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:11.000 bit better lineup, I think in terms of how your 1449 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.279 starting five is structured for Minnesota. And then you add Devincenzo, 1450 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.800 who's one of the top five three point shooters last 1451 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:22.680 year in the league and can certainly help you space 1452 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.840 the floor with the other shooters they have, especially with 1453 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.920 Edwards now emerging as the main guy in the league. 1454 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.399 So I think it's one of those trade spends that 1455 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.159 for me, when I saw it, I kind of looked 1456 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.399 at it for a few minutes, kind of thought about it, 1457 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.520 looked at a few stats, a few things, and thought, yeah, yeah, 1458 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.359 it makes sense for both teams. You know, I don't 1459 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:46.159 think any either team was trying to get the upper hand. 1460 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.640 I think both teams are doing something that they felt 1461 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.119 made sense for their group and how they're currently set up. 1462 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.920 And they both made the moves with an eye toward 1463 01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.720 feeling like we can be half a step better with 1464 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.159 what we're trying to do if we can make this 1465 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.119 kind of move. And I think that's that's where they 1466 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.279 both feel at this time. 1467 01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:08.880 So let's move over to the Jazz now. 1468 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.439 I want to start here Howard Beck from The Ringer, 1469 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.399 formerly of The New York Times, formerly of Well Everywhere 1470 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:16.439 Sports Illustrated. 1471 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:19.399 Howard not keep a job? Is that what you're telling me? 1472 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.399 Howard might be my favorite NBA writer. 1473 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:23.960 I'm surprised he's never stayed in one place, but he's 1474 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:26.119 landed on his feet, as he does every time one 1475 01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:29.279 company lets him go. No, he's very good at what 1476 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:31.479 he does, and every year he writes what he calls 1477 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.439 the Clarity Index. Okay, so what that is is not 1478 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.960 necessarily a composite ranking of NBA teams. It's Howard's opinion 1479 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.880 on what they are trying to do currently. And with 1480 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.600 some NBA teams, it's really easy to understand what they're 1481 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:46.600 trying to do. The Knicks obviously are all in now. 1482 01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:49.199 They're trying to win. And we could go down the 1483 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:51.520 list of teams that are serious about winning, teams that 1484 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.880 are not, and teams that are obvious about not being 1485 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:58.279 serious about winning. Here's what he says about the jazz quote. 1486 01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.560 And now for the Jazz, they might be the most 1487 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.439 confusing of all, a team that Jettiston It's two All 1488 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.039 stars two years ago, isn't good enough to make the playoffs, 1489 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:08.000 isn't bad enough to now have a high draft pick. 1490 01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.680 They could have doubt Lowry market in a dozen times 1491 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:12.640 by now, but they instead gave him an extension that 1492 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.119 makes him trade ineligible until till next summer. They're neither 1493 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:18.119 trying to win, nor are they trying to lose the 1494 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:21.680 epitome of a franchise with an identity crisis. What's the 1495 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:22.800 Richard Smith take on that? 1496 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.119 Well, I think that what they've you know, the first 1497 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:30.479 two years of this so called retooling or rebuilding or 1498 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.840 tear down or whatever however you want to label it. 1499 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.840 I can see where people, fans, writers, media people would 1500 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.560 be confused because they saw that they were having some 1501 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:46.000 modicum of success early in each of those seasons and 1502 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:49.920 then went ahead at the trade deadline traded the you 1503 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.119 know guys who are helping them to do that. But 1504 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.600 I think those are things that that that they saw 1505 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:02.039 as ways of trying to shore up their draft stockpile 1506 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.520 and trying to get trying to figure out where they 1507 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.800 actually were as a team. Now I think that they 1508 01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:15.199 have they have a commitment to playing their young guys. 1509 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.199 So whether you like that or not, whether that's gonna 1510 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:21.880 mean more losses or the same number of wins, I 1511 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:25.399 don't know, but I think it's gonna I think it's 1512 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:29.680 gonna be hard for them to have any level of success, 1513 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.560 at least this coming season in any consistent fashion, because 1514 01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:37.239 they it seems like from what I understand, they're gonna 1515 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.800 play a lot of their young guys a lot of minutes, 1516 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:43.319 and they're gonna roll with what's going on. 1517 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:44.800 And if that. 1518 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:49.399 Yields fewer wins and they get closer to the lottery 1519 01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:55.159 land and all that, I think that's that's probably okay 1520 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.840 with them. I do think the marketing thing, you know, 1521 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:01.239 adds a little wrench in there. But I do think 1522 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.760 that if you're trying to build a team, when you 1523 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.039 find a guy, and you can get a guy and 1524 01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:10.319 then you can hold on to him, uh and someone 1525 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.800 at his level, he's an all star level player, he's 1526 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.720 right in his prime, he wants to be here, and 1527 01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.760 for them to lock him up. For me, that made 1528 01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:23.279 a lot of sense, because you know, whether that translates 1529 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.159 to wins and losses or we're not going to be 1530 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:26.960 bad enough now or whatever. 1531 01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:28.520 You got. 1532 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.399 When you get a good player like that and you 1533 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.960 can you can get him to commit to you, then 1534 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:39.199 you have to do that. That's the first building block. 1535 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:41.880 Now you got all these other young guys that you're 1536 01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.920 trying to sift through. You know, it's like the guy 1537 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.800 and it's like the old uh uh guy mining for 1538 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.960 gold spencing the river. He gets the big the big 1539 01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:55.279 sifter out and he gets all the dirt in it 1540 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:57.720 and he starts shuffling it around and he's hoping he 1541 01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.600 has a gold nugget or two in that when all 1542 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.720 the dirt and the and the silt goes away. And 1543 01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.840 that's that's what the jazz are doing now. They're trying 1544 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.720 to figure out, Okay, we got all these young guys. 1545 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.399 We're gonna see who can play, who can't play. We're 1546 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.760 gonna see who we like, who we don't like. We're 1547 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.880 gonna see who the coach thinks can can get something 1548 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.159 done down the road. And that's where we're at right now. 1549 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.880 And in the meantime, marketing will be our star player 1550 01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:31.399 and whether he affects winning to any level that that 1551 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:36.600 that adversely affects their lottery. Uh situation. That's something that 1552 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.520 they'll deal with, you know, as they go along. But 1553 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.920 you have to keep good players when you have them. 1554 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:48.319 Although that you know again that that goes against what 1555 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.239 they what the current group decided to do a couple 1556 01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:53.199 of years ago when they had a lot of good 1557 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.880 players and got rid of all of them, But that's 1558 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.319 what they decided to do. So now this is the 1559 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:02.359 new iteration of just what they're going through to try 1560 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:05.600 and build a team that they think at some point 1561 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:07.680 can be sustainable down the road. 1562 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:09.680 So give me your best guess on how this is 1563 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.199 going to go, because I often look at the Vegas 1564 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:16.000 over unders where the guys in Vegas are pretty accurate 1565 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.880 as far as you know, predicting how the season is 1566 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:22.039 going to go, and history will tell you that they 1567 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.000 know what they're doing. So they have the consensus over 1568 01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.079 runner for the Jazz is twenty nine point five. So 1569 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:28.760 Vegas is telling us the Jazz are going to win 1570 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:33.199 about thirty games. Okay, So you know, initially, at first glance, 1571 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:37.000 that is problematic if you want, if you want to 1572 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.239 believe that the Jazz need to do everything they can 1573 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:41.800 to have draft capital to take your iy like Cooper 1574 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.159 Flag who it appears as of now will be the 1575 01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:46.920 number one pick, and you always point out and then 1576 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:50.079 we'll see, right like everybody seems to believe he's one 1577 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:54.479 of these generational pieces. No one ever knows Wembnyama Lebron. 1578 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.680 There are exceptions where it feels like, all right, just 1579 01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:58.359 take the dude, because he's going to be that guy. 1580 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:00.800 We'll see if Cooper flag is. People to do this 1581 01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:02.279 for a living believe that he is in a way 1582 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:04.600 that I don't do it for a living. So the 1583 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:08.119 teams they have below the Jazz are the Hornets, the Bulls, 1584 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.560 the Raptors, the Pistons, and that's the Blazers and the Wizard. 1585 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.279 So that's seven teams that Vegas is telling us is 1586 01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.199 worse than the Jazz, putting the Jazz at eight now, 1587 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:19.640 lottery odds have been flattened, as we've talked about, so 1588 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:21.399 even if you go all in on losing, you're not 1589 01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:25.079 gonna get one, asked Detroit and Xanik at their media 1590 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:29.039 availability on Friday of last week, basically alluded to the 1591 01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:30.600 fact that we have a lot of young players that 1592 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:32.520 we like, but the only way for us to know 1593 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.439 who they are is for them to get playing time. 1594 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.760 So does that indicate we're going to see starting lineup, 1595 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.840 a rotation all of these young players. What does this 1596 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:46.079 mean for Clarkson and Sexton and marketing and John Collins? 1597 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:48.880 I mean, Lowry's going to start and play, is my guess. 1598 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:51.399 But how is this going to look? Trying to get 1599 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.520 the young players some minutes and experience while you still 1600 01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.439 have some proud, highly paid vets on your roster. 1601 01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:00.000 Yeah, well, I wouldn't be surprised if one or more 1602 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.600 of those guys were on the move, you know, between 1603 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.640 now in February. I mean, if you're gonna go all 1604 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.600 in with the young guys, and you're gonna try and 1605 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:11.000 sift through and see you know, his Collier a real 1606 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:16.239 NBA level point guard, His keyante George more of a 1607 01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:20.039 scoring two off the bench than he is a lead 1608 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.199 point guard or Kenny play point guard. Are we gonna 1609 01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:25.600 let him have a lot of those minutes like they 1610 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:28.920 were the second half of last year? And and to 1611 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:32.680 see what kind of development he he brings to the table. 1612 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:38.199 Ken Hendrix, you know whose body looks much better now 1613 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.760 than it did six months ago. He's put on some 1614 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.039 off season muscle and and and is starting to mature 1615 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:48.239 into his body. Will he be able to give you 1616 01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:54.239 some impactful minutes going into the season. The Filipowski kid 1617 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.960 they got in the early second round, you know, might 1618 01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.880 be a steal in terms of having a guy who 1619 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.600 could at least come in and be a rotation guy 1620 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.359 and actually give you some minutes and get and be 1621 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:09.439 like an all around type player. It'll be interesting to 1622 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.199 see his development. So I I do think that the 1623 01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:17.760 Jazz powers that be looking at it and saying, Okay, 1624 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:21.399 we got all these guys. Now the young guys. Now 1625 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:24.600 we got to figure out who can play, who we want, 1626 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.159 who who we want to move on from. So they're 1627 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.359 going to be doing all of that. I mean the 1628 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:35.520 older guys, whether it's Clarkson, whether it's Collins, Sexton is is. 1629 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:38.640 I like Sexton, he's young enough, you know, he still 1630 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.680 should be considered one of the young guys to me, 1631 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:47.800 but particularly Clarkin's. Uh, Clarkson and Collins, I would be 1632 01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.520 I would be surprised if they were still on the 1633 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:54.840 roster come the end of February, just because I think 1634 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:58.199 they're guys who you know, Clarkson can move I think 1635 01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.680 a little bit easier because it's number isn't as big now. 1636 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.920 It went from twenty four to fourteen. So now he 1637 01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.520 becomes a guy that teams that are in the hunt, 1638 01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:11.560 you know after the first of the year they need 1639 01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:15.159 a scorer off the bench, you know, becomes attractive to 1640 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.960 teams like that. Collins will be a little bit tougher 1641 01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:22.960 because of his big number. So that may be someone 1642 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.279 at some point where they if they can't move him, 1643 01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:28.239 they have they have to some kind of a buyout 1644 01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.920 agreement or something. But it just seems to me that 1645 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.359 they're gonna go in with the young guys, and if 1646 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:36.800 you're gonna go in, then you gotta play them and 1647 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:39.880 play them and play them and just see how it 1648 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:43.960 falls and who's who's showing up as the season goes on. 1649 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:44.960 All right, Smiddy. 1650 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:46.199 Before I say you, Luise, I want to ask you 1651 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:48.439 a question, and we alluded to this a little bit 1652 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:52.079 last year, and you take us into the the mindset 1653 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.039 of roster construction and what this process looks like. And 1654 01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:57.359 you know, I remember Dennis Lindz he always had his 1655 01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:59.960 five year plan on his whiteboard and you know, looking 1656 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:01.880 the head to the future and what does it look 1657 01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.359 like when our best players are in their prime juxtaposed 1658 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:07.239 to what the other teams in our conference look like. 1659 01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:10.000 There's no perfect way to do this, and there's no 1660 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:11.840 one way to do this. I understand that there are 1661 01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:13.760 a bunch of different approaches. I think there are some 1662 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:15.319 that are tried and true and others that are a 1663 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.640 little bit more unproven. I'll just ask you, generally speaking, 1664 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.800 does the glut of young, really good teams that are 1665 01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:25.159 far ahead of the jazz change the timeline? 1666 01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:26.399 Change the calculation? 1667 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.279 When you look at OKAYC You're not going anywhere for 1668 01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:30.199 a while and being awesome. 1669 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:32.079 I could keep going as you know. 1670 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.560 Dallas Luca, I mean even the Nuggets with Jokic, he's 1671 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.000 in his prime and he's gonna be good for four 1672 01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:40.760 or five years. Because for a while, for me it 1673 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.119 was like, well, Steph's gonna age, Lebron's gonna age, Durants 1674 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.199 can age, and then Donovan and Rooty and these guys, 1675 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.520 they'll be ready when they're done. Now the franchise decided 1676 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.399 to pivot and make a change. What's your opinion on that. 1677 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.199 Does the glut of young, really good teams far ahead 1678 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.000 of the jazz and the process change the way the 1679 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:57.840 jazz look at this timeline. 1680 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.399 For me, it doesn't spend so And this is why, 1681 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:07.760 because when you are a young, good team, what's right 1682 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.359 around the corner that you're always dealing with from a 1683 01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.000 management and ownership perspective is how are we going to 1684 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:17.880 keep these guys? Meaning who gets paid and who doesn't 1685 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:20.319 get paid? When you look at it and the and 1686 01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:24.600 the landscape of the NBA Oklahoma City UH, which is 1687 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.319 in a great position right now with not only good 1688 01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:30.479 young players and a very competitive team, but also a 1689 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.399 lot of draft picks in their back pocket still so 1690 01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:36.720 they still have a lot of room for maneuverability. But 1691 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.199 you go back a decade ago, they had the same 1692 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:44.399 setup with guys who were even a little bit better. Okay, 1693 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:50.640 they drafted successive drafts Kevin Durant, James Harden, Russell Westbrook. 1694 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.760 Those three guys should still if it was a perfect 1695 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:59.199 NBA world, UH, from an ownership perspective, they should still 1696 01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:03.119 be playing together in Oklahoma City and have been sitting 1697 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:07.239 on two, three, four championships. But it didn't work out 1698 01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:09.960 that way. They were a good young team, they went 1699 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:13.239 to a finals and then what happens. Everybody comes to 1700 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.640 everybody comes knocking at the door, and they want theirs. 1701 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:19.319 And no matter how you talk to them, and how 1702 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:21.800 you try and divvy it up, and and how you 1703 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:27.000 try and massage egos and whatever it is, it rarely 1704 01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:29.800 works the way you want it to. So guys start 1705 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.319 going out the door, one after the other. And now, 1706 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:36.239 of course Oklahoma City has rebuilt themselves, but none of 1707 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.479 those guys are with them. So the guys, the teams 1708 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:41.279 that you're relating to now that are in front of 1709 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:43.960 the jazz, you know, you don't know how they're gonna 1710 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:45.840 be able to stay together. You don't know how it's 1711 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.560 gonna work. You have to worry about how you're building 1712 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.640 your group and how you're progressing, and to what extent 1713 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:57.720 you want to keep that going, uh, financially, and also 1714 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.880 with the personnel you have. And then and what happens 1715 01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:04.439 elsewhere you have no control over, whether it's you know 1716 01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:09.359 that okay see example or the one there was more 1717 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:12.279 recent in Brooklyn where they stacked up all the guys 1718 01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:17.239 and those three guys played sixteen games together. I mean, 1719 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.680 are you kidding me? I mean, when you step back 1720 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:21.760 and look at the history of it, you go, are 1721 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.399 you you know you remember when they all came together. 1722 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:27.039 Everybody was like, Oh, those guys, they're gonna be a 1723 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:29.199 headache for five, six, seven years. 1724 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:31.319 You know they're gonna be running the show. And it 1725 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:32.159 never happened. 1726 01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:32.399 Right. 1727 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:36.399 So, so the answer to your question, the Jazz should 1728 01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:39.319 just stay on the timeline they're on. They should do 1729 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:42.279 it the way they think is gonna make sense for 1730 01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:46.319 them going down the road, and you stick to that, 1731 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.359 and you don't worry about the other people on the outside, 1732 01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.319 the other teams, and you just you just go with 1733 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:56.680 what you believe makes the most sense to what's gonna 1734 01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.920 get you to where you're trying to go in the 1735 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:04.680 long run. It's tough, it's a long deal, and it 1736 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.640 doesn't guarantee you're gonna get there right, but you have 1737 01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.920 to have the conviction that that makes sense to you 1738 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.199 and your group, and you go with that. And I 1739 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:18.000 think Larry Markinen, the signing of him, is the first 1740 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:19.399 step in that direction. 1741 01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:21.399 All right, Smitty, Great to have you back. Great to 1742 01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:22.920 see you. I have a good week and we'll chat. 1743 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:24.039 Soon, okay man, Thank you. 1744 01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.920 Richard Smith forty years with the Jazz Front Office. Bye 1745 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.840 week for the utah Utes. Hoping for a get right 1746 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:35.800 game against Arizona State. Arizona had to get right game 1747 01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:38.439 against the Utes, so hoping to kind of replicate that 1748 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:40.479 during this by a week our next guest. There's a 1749 01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:42.680 thing or two about the Utes. One of the best 1750 01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:44.359 to ever do it up there, played in the NFL. 1751 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:47.560 I was hoping to have Scott Mitchell iven studio. As 1752 01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:49.760 I walked into the building, he was present. But he 1753 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:52.840 has ditched us and now he's over the phone. What happened, man? 1754 01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:53.880 I thought you were coming to studio. 1755 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.800 Yeah, you know, life just throws a lot of curve 1756 01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.800 balls at you. I mean I also expected the Utes 1757 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.079 to just be amazing on Saturday night. I mean, dark mouthe, 1758 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.960 you're at home. You have all these Hall of Fame weeks, 1759 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.960 homecoming weeks, and they kind of laid an egg. So 1760 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:14.600 I'm sorry, Spence. I should have known better. I should 1761 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:15.319 have just hung around. 1762 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:16.720 It's all good, my friend, all good. 1763 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:19.159 I appreciate your time, whether it's in person over the phone. 1764 01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:22.680 So obviously let's start with what happened on Saturday night. 1765 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:25.119 And Scott, I don't know how many times I've been 1766 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:28.159 in that stadium. I couldn't even guess dating back to 1767 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.239 my time as a student or dating back to my 1768 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:32.520 time as a media member, which has now been twenty years, 1769 01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:34.159 but I was there with my son, I was a 1770 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:37.399 season ticket older once upon a time. I don't know 1771 01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:42.399 that I remember, at least recently, rice cycles seeming so nervous, 1772 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:46.479 seeming so almost docile. I mean, there wasn't a lot 1773 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:49.000 to get excited about. And obviously when the football is good, 1774 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.760 it's easier to easier to cheer, but start to finish, 1775 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:55.159 it just felt like a really strange night, right, So 1776 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.840 just overall, what were your takeaways from Arizona's went over 1777 01:25:57.960 --> 01:25:58.760 Utah on Saturday? 1778 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.479 Very astute because it was it was strange, and there 1779 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:05.359 was a weird vibe there, and there was a weird 1780 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:09.039 vibe with the team. And you know, you have games 1781 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:12.000 like this, you do. You have low energy games. You 1782 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:15.079 have you know, a fatigue game. You just have one 1783 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.600 way you just you're just not quite together, you know. 1784 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.800 Converting those fourth downs early in the game. That kind 1785 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:24.479 of tells you a little bit about where the mindset 1786 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.000 of this team is, because it's it's a it's that 1787 01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:29.840 do or die down, Like you don't get another one 1788 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.680 if you've missed this, So you've got to have a 1789 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.840 sense of urgency about you and and it really wasn't there. 1790 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.760 And and you could you can attribute it to a 1791 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:41.680 lot of things and say, you know, team traveled, hot game, 1792 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.760 emotional game for what it was. You know, you could 1793 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.520 have the fatigue of playing for two months. Now, you 1794 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:51.279 have a young quarterback who doesn't you know, he's never 1795 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:54.399 been through this, he never felt this before, and and 1796 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:57.840 you need your leaders to step up. And and it's 1797 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:01.199 clearly a game that they needed Cam rising, they needed 1798 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.920 his leadership. I think Corennie Reid they needed his leadership 1799 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.199 on defense because it was across the board. It wasn't 1800 01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:11.840 it wasn't just offense. There was there was a lackluster 1801 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:16.159 effort with the defense, uh during during the game. And 1802 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.079 and I don't think I don't think they're coached that way. 1803 01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.520 I don't think that there they want to play that way. 1804 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:24.960 You know, these guys love to play, they love to prepare, 1805 01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.359 they love to get out there and do it. It's 1806 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.840 just sometimes you just have that night and and you 1807 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.840 just got to figure out how to fight through it. 1808 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.840 And it's it's the leader internally that you know, hey, 1809 01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:38.760 we got to pick it up, guys, We gotta we 1810 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:41.199 got to change the tone and the feel everything here, 1811 01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.479 and and you just didn't see it at all during 1812 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:43.920 the game. 1813 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:44.760 Of course. 1814 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:45.039 God. 1815 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:49.199 The big topic of conversation around the market is Cameron 1816 01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:53.720 is camera rising, his availability, his lack thereof the messaging 1817 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.399 from the football program, the messaging from coaches and players. 1818 01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:00.439 I continue to be in the space where my heart 1819 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:01.319 goes out to him. 1820 01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:03.640 I feel bad for him because I think he's hurt, 1821 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.800 and when he's healthy, I think he'll play. Not one 1822 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.880 for conspiracy theories and sports or elsewhere, but those are 1823 01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:13.079 flying around as well. So I just want to Scott 1824 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.159 Mitchell take on the way this is being handled and 1825 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.159 if you have any information about where we're at in 1826 01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.199 the process of trying to get him back under center, 1827 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:22.119 obviously I would love to hear hear from you on 1828 01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:22.720 that as well. 1829 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:28.039 Yeah, I think it's it's if you look at his 1830 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:32.039 history and you say, this guy's brought a lot when 1831 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:34.199 he's you know, the moment he stepped on the field, 1832 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:37.800 I still remember it. I still remember the team. He 1833 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:43.199 just elevated, everyone's hope, everyone's you know, feeling like belief, 1834 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.520 just what they played San Diego State. It was in 1835 01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:49.159 Los Angeles and the minute he stepped in, it was 1836 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.319 just different. And it was different the whole rest of 1837 01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:56.319 that season. I remember him throwing some big, huge plays 1838 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.920 against USC in the coliseum and Utah hadn't beat USC 1839 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.199 and and they did, and it was Cam Rising having 1840 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:07.319 this moxie and this this confidence to throw a ball 1841 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.039 on fourth down and you know, short and he throws 1842 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:11.680 it for a touchdown. And there's just a lot of 1843 01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:15.840 things that he has brought to the table. Brought two championships, 1844 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:19.279 brought two Rose Bowls, and played in some big time 1845 01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:21.720 games and and came up big and in a lot 1846 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:26.560 of those games. And he just is a guy that's 1847 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:30.920 uber competitive. But it's hard. It's hard to describe to 1848 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.600 people when there's like hurt and then there's injured, and 1849 01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:38.720 there're two different things, and hurt is like, Okay, this 1850 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.600 is just annoying. I'm gonna suck it up and I 1851 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.960 have to play. And then and then there's injured, where 1852 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.319 it's like if I play, I can't play well, like 1853 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:51.439 I'm gonna do more damage to myself to the team, 1854 01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:55.119 and and it's and it's really a person individually that 1855 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:58.840 knows that for whatever reason, Cam has had a lot 1856 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:00.439 of injuries. I mean the first you know, he got 1857 01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.720 named the starter, it was Covid. It was in against 1858 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:07.920 USC he you know, destroys his shoulder very early in 1859 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:12.000 that game. He got injured. You know, I think, what 1860 01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:16.279 both Rose Bowls and uh, and so he's been injured 1861 01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:19.239 and of course now he's injured this year, and and 1862 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.239 it's just some guys just have have those injuries. And 1863 01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:24.920 I really think that he wants to be in the game. 1864 01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:27.079 I had an injury one year. I had to get 1865 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.600 a shot just to practice every day. It was the 1866 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:32.159 worst thing in the world. And I got accused of this. 1867 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:36.000 You know, you just don't you know, you're not playing, 1868 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:38.239 you know, you're you're not tough enough, whatever, and it's 1869 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.359 just it's just not the case. So I really think 1870 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:44.680 he will be out there. Part of it, Spence, it's 1871 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:49.279 really hard when you have people that are passionate about 1872 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:54.680 the program, these alumni people, these boosters, and they're so passionate. 1873 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:57.079 They put their money where their mouth is, like they 1874 01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.920 donate a lot of money and a lot of effort 1875 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.760 into this program being well and this school doing well. 1876 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:09.560 And to see someone who they're paying money to, you 1877 01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.119 know not, you know, not seeing a lot of return 1878 01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:15.520 on that on that investment. That that's hard and that's 1879 01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:18.319 hard to swallow. And I totally totally get that. I 1880 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:22.279 don't know that there's much control over, you know, how 1881 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:25.479 where that money goes and what happens with it. It's 1882 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:27.960 it's it's one of the really bad things about college 1883 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:32.359 football right now. And so people do expect those results. 1884 01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:35.159 And I think Cam, I think Cam does. And look, 1885 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:39.479 Utah still controls their destiny, you know. You know Colorado's 1886 01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:44.439 the two wins BYU Iowa State, Utah plays all of 1887 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:48.279 those teams. It's really early in the year. It's really 1888 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:51.960 a game that I think this team can really fuel 1889 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:55.000 themselves from the sting of it, because and I'm still 1890 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.720 reeling from it. I'm just like, what the heck happens 1891 01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:01.359 Saturday night? And a lot of times teams can really 1892 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:03.479 be fueled by this and move forward. You think of 1893 01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:07.640 you think of Tim Tebow when they won a national 1894 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:09.840 championship of Florida and they had a loss like this 1895 01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:13.319 and he just said, never again, ever will this happen 1896 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:15.680 to me and to this football team, and they go 1897 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:18.359 on and win a national championship. So a lot of 1898 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.840 times you can turn some of these nasty, terrible like 1899 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:26.199 feel like the end of the program moments into you know, 1900 01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:30.279 something that really propels you to greater heights. 1901 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.199 So I want to get your opinion on the way 1902 01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:36.800 that the program is handling the dissemination of information. And 1903 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:40.680 Dennis Dodd today wrote a piece where he talked about 1904 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:45.680 all the powerful conferences utilize a guy named Matt Holt. Now, 1905 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:48.760 Matt is the founder of the US Integrity in Las Vegas, 1906 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.920 which sounds like an oxymoron to me. As a gambling 1907 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:56.119 integrity monitor, that's what he does. But you know, when 1908 01:32:56.279 --> 01:33:00.880 contacted about this situation specifically, here's what Hold had to say. 1909 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:04.720 So quote, we constantly tell our colleges, if you continue 1910 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:08.920 to hide information for gamesmanship, our competitive advantage purposes, you 1911 01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:12.760 are putting your student athletes, your trainers, your equipment managers, 1912 01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.840 and your assistant coaches in a heightened risk category is 1913 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:19.039 what we call it. When betting groups start to figure out, hey, 1914 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:23.000 this coach won't disclose information. Now, there's real value to 1915 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:27.000 getting that inside information. So sharks and wise guys and 1916 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.439 such they lean on trainers, and they lean on assistant coaches. 1917 01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:33.319 They lean on players to get inside information to therefore 1918 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:36.680 utilize that to affect lines and make money. I don't 1919 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:38.680 love that this is where we're at in sports, when 1920 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:41.079 they're in bed with the gambling companies and the apps. 1921 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:43.359 I think it's a really slippery slope. 1922 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:46.279 Beckay Coppins from the Atlantic did a piece last week 1923 01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:49.960 on the effects on families now that we have about 1924 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.399 five years of data of legalized gambling, what it has done. 1925 01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:57.279 Some families have lost homes, it's divorced, its debt. It's 1926 01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.479 a really, really slippery slope. But we are where we are, 1927 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:04.800 and ultimately it does look like according to what I 1928 01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:07.319 have in front of me from the CBS piece, these 1929 01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.239 coaches that are holding back information are thought to be 1930 01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:13.560 putting their staff in what's called a heightened risk category. 1931 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.079 Do you think stuff like this will change the way 1932 01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:18.960 that the program is utilizing their platform to disseminate the 1933 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:21.720 information and do you think they should change the way 1934 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:23.640 they're going about it? For me, it feels unfair to 1935 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.199 cam That's my whole thing. But what's the Scott Mitchell take. 1936 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:32.800 Boy that that is an interesting statement because if you watch, 1937 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:35.239 you know, we're sitting here all week long going Okay, 1938 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:37.800 is Cam playing? Is he not? As he playing? Is 1939 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:41.159 he not? And then you watch the betting lines and 1940 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:44.439 they change, and they change as the week goes on, 1941 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.479 and they change. I mean at Oklahoma State they were 1942 01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:52.239 changing during you know, the day, and and you and 1943 01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:54.600 you and we looked at it and I said, somebody 1944 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:59.000 knows something. And these people that set these lines, you know, 1945 01:34:59.079 --> 01:35:02.560 you talk about like they know like they're in the 1946 01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:05.159 business of winning. They're not. They're not there to lose. 1947 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:07.720 So so they're gonna go and they're going to figure 1948 01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:12.319 out how to get any possible information that they can get. 1949 01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:17.119 And uh, and I'm sure those lines for the Utah 1950 01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:20.359 the last couple of weeks were based on maybe information 1951 01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:23.720 they got like hey, Cameron's he's not going this week, 1952 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.079 because you know, the lines changed and went down and 1953 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:29.279 and then they went back, you know, and and so 1954 01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:34.079 so someone somewhere somewhere or some someone somewhere is getting information. 1955 01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:40.439 How they do it, who knows? Because your point about gambling, 1956 01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:42.840 and it's so easy, like so many things in our 1957 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:46.520 society today are so convenient. You can pretty much be 1958 01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:49.479 anywhere and oh I can gamble on a gam shoot, 1959 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.520 I can gamble during the game, I can. You know, 1960 01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:55.600 it's just they've made it extremely easy. And who knows 1961 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.520 who's involved in gambling. You know, it's something why play 1962 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:02.479 in the NFL like you, it was hammered into your brain. 1963 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:06.079 Do not talk to, do not share, do not anything. Uh. 1964 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:09.000 You know, the integrity of our game is so critical, 1965 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:12.039 and if anyone thought it was fixed, or if anyone thought, 1966 01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:14.479 you know, it would just it would really destroy the whole. 1967 01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:19.119 And it would and it does. But people, but we're human. 1968 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:24.560 I I don't. I know, I'm not a gambler. It's 1969 01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:26.600 not my thing. I've never done it. I'd never cared 1970 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.520 to do it. I know a lot of people. I 1971 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:30.319 know a lot of people in sports. I know a 1972 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:34.199 lot of people who are playing sports are huge gamblers. 1973 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:37.600 And and so you know, if you have you know, 1974 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.079 if you have the equipment manager and I'm not saying 1975 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:43.560 that's the case, or you have some front office person who, yeah, 1976 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.640 I like to gamble, and uh, and then someone's and 1977 01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:49.079 they and someone finds out they kind of like to gamble, 1978 01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:52.479 and they go, hey, if you give us some insight 1979 01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:55.319 onto whether Cam Rising is playing or not, we'll give you. 1980 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:57.840 We'll give you a thousand bucks, or we'll give you whatever. 1981 01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.760 I mean, who knows what you know? Who else or 1982 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.720 someone may be in trouble gambling, and they go, we'll 1983 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:06.159 take care of your your problem here if you give 1984 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.800 us some insider information. These people in Vegas will find 1985 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:14.359 they'll find information, and they'll know because they they do 1986 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.720 not want to lose. And this, this whole setting these 1987 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.439 lines things is a science and something I have no idea, 1988 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.920 but they're they're pretty good at it. And and so yeah, 1989 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:27.479 I could see where it could really impact people inside 1990 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:33.840 of organizations. I'm still trying to And and gamesmanship is fine, 1991 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:37.840 right whatever, you know, everyone has their thing. Everyone tries 1992 01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:40.279 to find a way to get an edge, to be motivated. 1993 01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.319 And I certainly did it, and I you know I would. 1994 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.479 I would do everything I could possibly do to to 1995 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:49.920 figure out how to how to have an edge on 1996 01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:53.439 my competition, knowing that they're doing the same thing. But 1997 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:58.039 I so I don't understand completely why you just don't 1998 01:37:58.079 --> 01:38:00.720 tell people. You know, in the NFL, well, it's pretty 1999 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.640 it's pretty known, it's pretty pretty out there. Uh you know, 2000 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:07.960 college football, These these coaches have a pretty good feel 2001 01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:12.239 of other programs and how their schemes and all of 2002 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:15.680 these different things. And it might be an advantage for 2003 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.359 a series or two or whatever. I don't know that 2004 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:22.680 it's a complete advantage if you don't know which players 2005 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:27.000 playing or who's not playing. You know, I, I you know, 2006 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:30.520 if if if it's anything, it just should to be 2007 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:35.199 standard across across the board. But I'm one that you know, I. 2008 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:38.039 I don't have a problem being transparent and kind of 2009 01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:42.279 telling where where players or people are. But you know, 2010 01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:44.920 coach Whittingham has never been that way, doesn't feel that way. 2011 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:47.239 He's like, look, I want if I don't have to 2012 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:49.439 share it, I'm not going to and and so he 2013 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.079 doesn't and I don't have a problem with that either. 2014 01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:56.800 But uh, you know, the the challenge with Cam is 2015 01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:59.880 that he's getting paid, and he's getting paid a lot 2016 01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:04.079 of money, and he unplayed for you know, almost a 2017 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:07.800 year and a quarter or a third because we're well 2018 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:09.439 even a little bit more than a third now. So 2019 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:14.960 that's that's unfortunately how things are. You get paid to 2020 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:19.279 do this. There's a different expectation and now it comes 2021 01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:23.520 with production and winning and the perception of production and winning, 2022 01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:27.359 and that's a different deal. And that's called professional sports, 2023 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:29.119 and that's really what college football is. 2024 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.840 So Scott, final thing on this, and then we'll get 2025 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:35.239 to a couple of other quick topics before I set 2026 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:37.960 you loose. I'm just operating off the premise that it's 2027 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:40.760 eyes that can tell it's not. I don't have any 2028 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:42.880 knowledge on what the next couple of weeks are going 2029 01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:45.960 to look like. It's easy to surmise that if we 2030 01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:50.520 take Utah Football on their word, but historically speaking their 2031 01:39:50.560 --> 01:39:53.239 word on this is not reliable and we all understand 2032 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:56.920 why competitive advantage all that stuff. If Cameron was very 2033 01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.479 close to playing against Arizona, I think it's safe to 2034 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.359 say that, given two more weeks, we should expect him 2035 01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:07.119 against Arizona State. But I'll go with the premonition that 2036 01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:09.199 it's eyes that can tell it's not. What's your understanding 2037 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:11.319 of where we're at with Cam's health as of today. 2038 01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:17.159 Well, if long term, this year, right now, Cam rising 2039 01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:21.119 gives you taw the best chance to win big picture 2040 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.359 conference championship, win those tough games, you know, really kind 2041 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.319 of be the guy to be that leader and lead 2042 01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:33.239 this team and rise the level of expectation and play. 2043 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:38.479 And so you want him in there with this injury. 2044 01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:41.920 You know, who knows what it is. And I've had 2045 01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:44.960 injuries like this and fingers and getting hit on helmets 2046 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.960 and stretched ligaments and broken broken fingers and all kinds 2047 01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:53.119 of things. And the reality is it's it's probably gonna 2048 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.680 be a nuisance no matter what, for the rest of 2049 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.159 the year. I don't you know, who knows if it'll 2050 01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:01.760 go away, just simply because if he's gonna throw, he's 2051 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:05.920 gonna play, He's just gonna probably continue to aggravate it. 2052 01:41:06.479 --> 01:41:08.760 So I don't know if there's ever a level of 2053 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.279 you're just completely healthy, and so it's kind of how 2054 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:15.720 much can you tolerate? How much can you suck up? 2055 01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:17.880 How can you how much can you not be distracted 2056 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:21.119 by it? It does you know those those two fingers, 2057 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:24.680 your ring finger and your middle finger are not the 2058 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:29.000 most essential fingers throwing the football. It could it could 2059 01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:33.600 impact your delivery. You know, I don't know, but I would. 2060 01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:37.239 I would, really, I'm going to disagree with you. I 2061 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:41.199 really think they're really trying hard to get Cam ready 2062 01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:45.119 for Arizona State. I think I think it's something that 2063 01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.239 I think he can play from. He didn't look good 2064 01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:51.359 at Oklahoma State. He actually looked better because he threw 2065 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:55.680 a little bit before the Arizona game. But I think 2066 01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:57.720 I think he I think he's gonna try. I think 2067 01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:59.359 they're going to try to have him ready by then 2068 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:02.560 and and and they probably should be able to play. 2069 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.279 Yeah, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I'm saying. 2070 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:08.560 I'm operating off the premise that it's Isaac. Can tell 2071 01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:11.359 it's not, because until I see it, it's hard to 2072 01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:13.760 believe based off of all the information we've been giving. 2073 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:15.920 I agreed that they're trying to get him ready to play, 2074 01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:19.560 but until we actually see it, you know, it's for me, 2075 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:23.000 it's time to kind of ignore the messaging until the 2076 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:26.319 utes run out for their first possession on offense and 2077 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:29.119 it's number seven and not eleven, I'm going to operate 2078 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:30.920 off the premise that it's eleven, not seven. 2079 01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:32.720 I just need to see it before I can believe it. 2080 01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:36.800 Yeah, And that's probably a healthy attitude to have. And 2081 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:41.319 the good the silver lining with all of this is man, 2082 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:45.319 Isaac Wilson's getting some great experience and some of it painful. 2083 01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:48.680 You know, I'm just telling you that last week was painful, 2084 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:53.520 and the painful part is Son you had, like when 2085 01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:56.119 you're in the red zone, come hell or high water, 2086 01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:58.000 you got to figure out how to score and you 2087 01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:01.279 get those fourth downs, whatever it is, you got to 2088 01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:04.960 make it happen, and you can't just you know it, 2089 01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:06.640 just you just have to do it, and you have 2090 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:10.000 to will that on your team that this is extremely important. 2091 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.079 We got it, we got to get it done. And 2092 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:16.199 and so there's just so so many game scenarios or 2093 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.680 things that come come up that that Isaac's had to 2094 01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:21.600 deal with that being one of them. And and they'll 2095 01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:26.039 just they'll be so valuable down the road. But unfortunately, 2096 01:43:26.359 --> 01:43:29.079 this team is ready to win now and has such 2097 01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.640 a great opportunity in the Big twelve. And because I 2098 01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:33.920 still think it's very wide open in the conference. There's 2099 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:35.840 not a team I go oh wow that you know, 2100 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:39.039 that's that's just a dominant team right there. And and 2101 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.800 so you really need need to get the guy back 2102 01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:43.920 who can make it happen. But but it is good 2103 01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.640 for Isaac to for him to get that experience. 2104 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:47.840 All right, Scott, before I say you lose. 2105 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:51.760 I referenced this earlier Arizona after the case Stay lost. 2106 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.479 They talked about the Utah game as a get right 2107 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.520 game for them after a buye. What does a get 2108 01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.960 right game look like for Utah after a buye against 2109 01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:01.720 Arizona State. 2110 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:06.199 Well, it's just playing with that sense of urgency, playing 2111 01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:09.359 really to win and not not kind of tired or 2112 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:13.960 playing not to lose. Uh, It's it's about being aggressive. 2113 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:17.439 And you know, Arizona really took the tempo to the 2114 01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:20.399 game to Utah. They dictated terms the whole entire game, 2115 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:23.279 and that's what you have to do, you you know. 2116 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:25.680 And I think that's the energy that people were feeling. 2117 01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:28.359 They were like, these guys aren't intimidated by being here 2118 01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:31.079 in the stadium and this noise and this crowd, this team, 2119 01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:34.319 it's like they're here to win. They're here to Uh, 2120 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:37.239 you've got the target on your chest and we're going 2121 01:44:37.239 --> 01:44:39.800 we're coming after you. And Utah is going to get 2122 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:42.520 that all year. But they've got to have the youths 2123 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:45.840 have to have this attitude that like every play is 2124 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:49.720 life and death, like like this this really matters, Like 2125 01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:53.640 you can't you can't be complacent in any moment and 2126 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:56.800 that includes all of your preparation leading out to this game. 2127 01:44:56.840 --> 01:44:59.239 I bet if you went and asked and pulled the 2128 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.439 players in the coaches and said, did you do everything 2129 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:05.439 you could possibly do to get yourself ready to play 2130 01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.800 this week? And I'll bet almost all of them say no, 2131 01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:10.880 there's things I could have done better and and and 2132 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:15.199 that's that's the cruelty of football, that's the immediacy of it. 2133 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:17.680 That you only get so many opportunities. There's only three 2134 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:21.520 more home games this year. I mean, there's three, said, 2135 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:25.279 you know, and so you have to take advantage of 2136 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:28.000 those opportunities. They have to be so precious to you, 2137 01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:31.399 and you just have to come out with this like 2138 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:33.880 we just got to let everything hang out and just 2139 01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:37.560 play to win. And we always said play like men 2140 01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:39.640 and just you know, let it all hang out. And 2141 01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:41.159 that's that's the way you gotta play. 2142 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:45.000 All right, buddy, Appreciate the time today, Bye week, and 2143 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:45.600 then we'll see you. 2144 01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:47.439 With there made when they get back on the field. Scott, 2145 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:48.199 have a good week, brother. 2146 01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:50.720 Okay, all right, thanks you too. 2147 01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:53.479 Scott Mitchell, former Utah quarterback number of years in the NFL. 2148 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.159 Appreciate his time today. More you top football. Coming up 2149 01:45:57.199 --> 01:46:00.000 next with the voice himself, Bill Riley, is our game. 2150 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:03.960 Got a little Major League Baseball wildcard action for you 2151 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:08.960 guys tonight when we say goa nights at six o'clock Atlanta, 2152 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:12.600 San Diego. It is that time of year. It is fall, 2153 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:16.760 which means playoff baseball. But of course football center right now, 2154 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.199 College Football Center, right now, Utah Football Center right now. 2155 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:22.239 Our next guest is not only the voice of the 2156 01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:25.359 youth see now does not have to grow mullet, which 2157 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:28.520 makes me very sad. Bill Riley is our guest. Bill 2158 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:30.279 for the past couple of months. If I've ever been 2159 01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:32.439 in a bad mood, which at times happened, I don't 2160 01:46:32.439 --> 01:46:33.319 know if you know that about me. 2161 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:34.319 At times that can happen. 2162 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:38.439 I picture you calling games in a mullet, and now 2163 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:39.399 that dream has died. 2164 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:42.680 So I guess I just have to say congratulations. 2165 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:42.760 Well, thank you. 2166 01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:46.039 I was Actually it would have been a great you know, 2167 01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:48.319 it would have been that win win. You get me 2168 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.399 in the mullet and I got to call an undefeated 2169 01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:52.600 regular season. It would have been kind of a win 2170 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:54.479 for everyone, and then you know everybody that got to 2171 01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:57.199 mock me as well. I will say this, though, the 2172 01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.399 Kansas City Royals had just beaten the Baltimore Orioles, and 2173 01:47:00.439 --> 01:47:02.960 if the Kansas City Royals win the World Series, I 2174 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:04.159 will grow that mullet for you. 2175 01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:04.640 Spencer. 2176 01:47:04.680 --> 01:47:08.000 WHOA so are you saying the Bill Riley mullet watch 2177 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:08.640 is back on. 2178 01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:12.960 It's a longer shot, I think than the undefeated season 2179 01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:15.720 because your Yankees are a bit of a juggernaut this year. 2180 01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:18.199 But I will say this, if the Royals win the 2181 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:21.720 World Series, mullet watch is what mulletwatch is on. I've 2182 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:24.840 reinstalled mullet Watch, and there's still a chance. 2183 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:27.159 You've made my heart so happy, okay, because that's really 2184 01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:28.600 all I want to see in my life. As you 2185 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:30.199 call it, a game with a mullet. But we can 2186 01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:32.239 move on from that. Ryles, Hey, I'll tell you what. 2187 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:35.920 And we just had Scott on. I don't know how 2188 01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.000 many games I've been to in the stadium, dating back 2189 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:40.000 to my time as a student, then as a season 2190 01:47:40.039 --> 01:47:40.920 ticket older. 2191 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:41.720 Now as a media member. 2192 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:44.960 I don't really know how to describe the way Saturday 2193 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:47.279 night felt. And we'll talk about the game, but just 2194 01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:49.880 the atmosphere, and of course you've got to give them 2195 01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:52.239 some to cheer for, and there wasn't a lot to 2196 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:54.840 cheer for, but the building just felt a little. 2197 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:57.279 Little docile, a little like nervous. 2198 01:47:57.520 --> 01:47:59.760 How would you describe the atmosphere at Rice Ecles on 2199 01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:00.560 Saturday night? 2200 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:03.880 I was expecting, I'll say this, I was expecting a 2201 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:05.399 little bit more electricity. 2202 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:06.479 I was. 2203 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:09.039 I you know, I had visions of like a usc 2204 01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:11.600 and not maybe. I know the game wasn't on that level, 2205 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.239 but you know, with the first night game and a 2206 01:48:14.279 --> 01:48:17.119 couple of years of meaning and in a blackout game, 2207 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:21.000 but it just it wasn't there. There was you know, 2208 01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:24.800 Utah seemed a little flat and the fans even seemed 2209 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.119 a little flat on Friday night or at Saturday night, 2210 01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:30.359 which is unusual for both parties to be very fair. 2211 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:33.520 Utah should have probably come out maybe with a little 2212 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:35.840 bit more juice, and I thought there'd be I mean, 2213 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:37.640 it was loud, but it was You and I have 2214 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:40.640 both been in that stadium when it was deafening loud 2215 01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:42.920 on a on a blackout Saturday night, so I was 2216 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:44.279 I was a little surprised by that too. 2217 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:47.079 All right, now moving over to the actual game, I 2218 01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:50.239 just want your overall takeaways before we dig into some specifics. 2219 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:51.880 We'll get to the health stuff, We'll get to the 2220 01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:54.920 cam stuff. What went wrong? Why do you think they 2221 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:57.479 weren't able to counter punch. Ultimately, what is the Bill 2222 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:00.560 Riley take on why Arizona rolled in a right sycle smack? 2223 01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:01.439 The youth's pretty good. 2224 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:06.199 They didn't get a consistent pass rush on Noah Fafeda 2225 01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:09.359 when he threw. I mean, I thought they got better 2226 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:12.760 as the game went along. I looked like Tetroo McMillan 2227 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:14.600 was going to have about two hundred yards after the 2228 01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:16.119 first quarter, but guy. 2229 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.399 Didn't have a catch in the second half. 2230 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:21.239 But I think they missed Conter O'Toole up front spence, 2231 01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:24.399 and I think they miss Karennie Reid as well. Reid 2232 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:26.840 is kind of as good as Lander Barton is. I 2233 01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:29.960 kind of feel like Reid is the heartbeat of that defense, 2234 01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:33.760 and Conor O'Toole is so good off the edge. They 2235 01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:36.800 don't have as much depth at defensive end as they 2236 01:49:36.840 --> 01:49:41.279 do a defensive tackle, and not having O'Toole in that game, 2237 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:43.600 who's got the ability to chase a guy like Fafeeda 2238 01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:46.279 And again, Arizona didn't run at a bunch, but when 2239 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:48.840 they ran it, they really ran it. And I think 2240 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:51.520 really the last couple of games you've seen them miss 2241 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:54.079 Karennie Reid and I know after the bye week they're 2242 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:55.920 hoping they have both those guys back. I don't have 2243 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:57.960 any kind of status update, but I know that was 2244 01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:00.560 kind of the buzz around, you know, the stadium on 2245 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.680 Saturday was get this game, have a couple of weeks 2246 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:05.880 to heal up, and then we should we hope to 2247 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:08.399 have I say should they should they hope to have 2248 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:11.039 those guys both back after the bye week. 2249 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:11.880 We'll see how that goes. 2250 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.199 So, of course that moves over to the quarterback conversation 2251 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:18.880 and Dennis Dodd today, did you know you wrote a 2252 01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:21.159 piece for CBS Sports Now it's front of the show, 2253 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.960 stop buy for Big twelve Media Day. And Dennis's assertion 2254 01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:30.399 is this ambiguity and the messaging around Cameron's injury is 2255 01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:35.279 putting Kyle Staff in a precarious spot as a result 2256 01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:37.920 of what we deal with now since all of sports 2257 01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:42.199 college and pro football, college and pro basketball are in. 2258 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:43.319 Bed with gambling companies. 2259 01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:46.640 So there's a gentleman who all of the P four 2260 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:47.760 conferences use. 2261 01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:52.000 Let me get his name right. His name is Matt Holt. 2262 01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:55.239 He's the founder of the US Integrity in Las Vegas, 2263 01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:59.199 which seems like an oxymoron as a gambling integrity monitor. 2264 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:01.800 And here's the quote. 2265 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:06.119 The Datistasenist piece today says, quote this comes from mister Holt. 2266 01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:06.439 Quote. 2267 01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:10.000 We constantly tell colleagues, if you continue to hide information 2268 01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.279 for gamesmanship or competitive advantages purposes, you are putting your 2269 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:17.680 student athletes, trainers, equipment managers, and assistant coaches. 2270 01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.000 In what we call a heightened risk category. 2271 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:22.800 When betting groups starting to start to figure out, hey, 2272 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:26.079 this coach won't disclose the information. There's real value in 2273 01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:29.239 getting that inside information, and oftentimes they lean on lower 2274 01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:32.159 level staffers. Now I can't coroberate any of that. And 2275 01:51:32.239 --> 01:51:35.159 my personal opinion is Cameron is hurt and he will 2276 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:37.800 play when he's healthy. But you know, the community is 2277 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:39.600 kind of tired of this entire back and forth. 2278 01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:39.840 Bill. 2279 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:41.920 I know you have to be careful, so don't put 2280 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.359 yourself in a bad spot, not like you would, But 2281 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:45.960 what do you make of where we're at with this 2282 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:48.640 entire thing and kind of the Cameron rising fatigue felt 2283 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:49.960 by a lot of people in the community. 2284 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:52.760 Well, you know, I think like a lot of people, 2285 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:55.600 I get my phone blows up when you know he 2286 01:51:55.640 --> 01:51:59.119 doesn't play, And to be very fair, they've been even 2287 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:03.079 guarded around me and not really disclosed a lot of 2288 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:03.880 details to me. 2289 01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:04.520 And that's fine. 2290 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:06.800 They're they're allowed to do whatever they want to do 2291 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:09.880 with that, with that stuff. But I sense the same 2292 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:13.079 frustration that fans feel because I hear it from a 2293 01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:16.079 lot of my friends and people in the media and 2294 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:18.840 things like that, and I you know, people want to know, 2295 01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:20.439 and I said, I wish I could tell you. I 2296 01:52:20.479 --> 01:52:23.680 just I don't know what that situation is. But I 2297 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.319 think to your point, the fatigue part of it is 2298 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:29.800 because it's two years in a row of the guy 2299 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:33.399 that you're counting on so much dealing with injuries. Now, 2300 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:36.359 I do believe this one is different than a year ago. 2301 01:52:36.840 --> 01:52:39.119 And I know he's hurt, and I know the finger 2302 01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:41.520 has bothered him, and we've seen him warm up and 2303 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.359 try to throw. We didn't see that a bunch last year. 2304 01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:46.479 Maybe it was one game when he came out, But 2305 01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:51.800 I think that, you know, it's something that I know 2306 01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:53.880 the kid really well, and I know you guys around 2307 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:55.920 station do because he comes in and does a conversation 2308 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.079 every week. He wants to play football, and he wants 2309 01:52:58.119 --> 01:52:59.640 to play football in the worst way. And Cam Woll's 2310 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:02.520 play on in the fact matter is you've got to 2311 01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:05.359 put some football on tape if you want to get drafted. 2312 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:08.880 So I know there's fatigue around it. And I do 2313 01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:13.159 know this that Isaac Wilson is making, you know, some 2314 01:53:13.479 --> 01:53:16.720 some mistakes that freshmen make from time to time. What 2315 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:19.239 I do see from his teammates is that the fact 2316 01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:22.279 that they're kind of buying into what Isaac's doing out there, 2317 01:53:22.279 --> 01:53:24.600 and I think they respect a lot that this kid 2318 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:27.680 just kind of doesn't act like a freshman. He comes in, 2319 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.640 he plays hard, he gives it what he has. But 2320 01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:33.159 at the end of the day, I think if Utah 2321 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:34.640 wants to get where they want to get and there's 2322 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:37.000 everything still on the board, I mean, you know, one 2323 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:40.159 loss is a sidetrack, especially in the playoff era. But 2324 01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:42.920 I think this bye week Spence comes at a good 2325 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:46.079 time for not just a guy like Rising, but for 2326 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.520 this team to kind of exhale just a little bit 2327 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:50.840 after what was a tough month and then a couple 2328 01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:52.479 of guys on the defensive side of the ball that 2329 01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:54.760 you like to get back to. So I think it's 2330 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:56.399 a good week to have. If I get two of 2331 01:53:56.439 --> 01:53:58.239 them this year, now you Thah will have another one 2332 01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.840 before the BYU game. But it's a good time for 2333 01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:01.760 all that for Utah. 2334 01:54:02.479 --> 01:54:04.920 So we had Brian Jeffries on the show, who is 2335 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:06.439 the Bill Riiley of Arizona? 2336 01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:08.520 Just not as much or not as much riz? You 2337 01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:09.800 know what riz means, right, Roles? 2338 01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:10.920 No tell me? 2339 01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:12.279 Is that something the kids says? 2340 01:54:12.319 --> 01:54:15.319 The kids say that for charisma? So Brian Jefferies is 2341 01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:16.960 the Bill Riley just a little less Rizz? 2342 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:18.439 Because we know you got the Riz Rales? 2343 01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:22.880 And he called the Utah game a get right game 2344 01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:25.920 for Arizona after a bye week. What does it get 2345 01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:28.560 right game for Utah football look like after a bye 2346 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.359 week in Tempe against Arizona State. 2347 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:33.399 I think it's the same thing you say. Here's the thing, 2348 01:54:34.039 --> 01:54:37.520 Arizona they didn't just lose to Kansas State. They got 2349 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:39.840 to be thirty one to seven, and they had to 2350 01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:42.880 sit on that for two weeks. Arizona's a good football team, 2351 01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:46.279 but they look like it against Kansas State. Chansas State's 2352 01:54:46.279 --> 01:54:47.960 a good football team, but they didn't look like it 2353 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:48.840 against BYU. 2354 01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:50.199 So you've got a. 2355 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:52.079 Lot of good football teams. I don't know if there's 2356 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:53.880 a great team in this conference right now, but you've 2357 01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:55.920 got a lot of good teams in this league. But 2358 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:57.880 what Utah's got to do is what Arizona had to 2359 01:54:57.880 --> 01:54:59.600 do two weeks before. They've got to sit on it. 2360 01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:01.600 They got they hear about it for a couple of weeks, 2361 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:04.079 but they've got to bring a little bit more juice. 2362 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:05.479 You know. 2363 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:08.600 I think there was a feeling maybe among fans, maybe 2364 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:10.640 a little bit among the team that maybe, hey, it's 2365 01:55:10.640 --> 01:55:14.279 a blackout game. Hey you know we owe Arizona little something. Okay, 2366 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:17.119 they just lost the game at k State. You know 2367 01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:20.399 this atmosphere, and they didn't Arizona came in and they 2368 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:23.600 didn't flinch. They were well prepared. I think Utah has 2369 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:24.720 to do all that same stuff. 2370 01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:24.880 Now. 2371 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.640 The team they're playing is much improved Arizona State. And 2372 01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:32.119 going down to Tempee on a Friday night against an 2373 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:35.680 improved team that may have another win under their belt 2374 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:38.720 before and one I think they played Kansas this week, 2375 01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:42.479 who's not very good, you may be stepping into another 2376 01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:46.199 hostile atmosphere. And so I think Utah's got to do 2377 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:48.880 what Arizona did, kind of look within itself a little 2378 01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:51.920 bit and come with bring a little bit more juice 2379 01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:53.600 when they come to the field against the Arizona State 2380 01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:54.079 Sun Devils. 2381 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:56.640 So as you reference, everything's still on the table. 2382 01:55:57.640 --> 01:56:00.880 I didn't push back on the narrative the Big Twelve 2383 01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:03.079 had a bunch of parody because I didn't believe it 2384 01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:04.560 to be true. I just didn't want it to be 2385 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:08.079 true because this year, for me, I'm just more about 2386 01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:12.640 Utah football protecting themselves as opposed to latching on to 2387 01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:15.880 the Big Twelve. Because the reality of where we're headed 2388 01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:17.640 as a sport we all know about. 2389 01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:19.039 You just have to be in. 2390 01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:21.479 The best position you possibly can for yourselves to make 2391 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:25.359 sure that when everything actually does split off into this 2392 01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:28.319 super conference that most people believe we're headed towards, you're 2393 01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:31.760 in a good spot to be invited. So my thing 2394 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:33.760 this year is Utah football has to watch out for 2395 01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:35.039 Utah football as opposed to. 2396 01:56:35.079 --> 01:56:36.479 Let's carry a Big twelve banner. 2397 01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:39.000 So I was hoping that Utah could, you know, kind 2398 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.640 of separate themselves a little bit from the pack. 2399 01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:43.279 That still has a chance to happen. 2400 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:45.600 But we have seen that parody manifest in a way 2401 01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:48.279 that most people thought that it would. How many teams 2402 01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:51.560 build today do you feel confidence Insane can actually still 2403 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:52.399 win this conference? 2404 01:56:55.760 --> 01:56:59.000 That's a really good question. I think Utah can still 2405 01:56:59.039 --> 01:57:02.039 win it. I think Kansas State can still win it. 2406 01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:06.560 I think BYU through five games has showed they've got 2407 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:07.560 a chance to win it. 2408 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:08.119 Here's the thing. 2409 01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:10.560 I think Abou Killane's team. I don't think they're may 2410 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:14.680 be as talented as Utah or maybe even Kansas State overall, 2411 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:15.520 but you know what. 2412 01:57:15.479 --> 01:57:16.239 They do every week. 2413 01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:19.720 They play really hard, they maximize what they have and 2414 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:22.000 as a result, they're five and oh. So I think BYU, 2415 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:26.399 I think Utah, I think Kansas State, I think Arizona, 2416 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:31.119 Iowa State. And I'm this is gonna sound crazy, Spence, 2417 01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:35.119 I'm gonna throw Colorado in there just for a minute, 2418 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:38.199 because as much as a lot of people would love 2419 01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:43.279 to see Dion and his boys fall down, outside of 2420 01:57:43.359 --> 01:57:47.159 going to Nebraska, which is a tough place to play. 2421 01:57:47.880 --> 01:57:49.800 They've been okay, and they went on the road. 2422 01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:52.600 UCF was supposed to be one of those sleeper teams 2423 01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:57.279 and they doubled up UCF in Orlando in a rain storm. 2424 01:57:57.840 --> 01:57:59.680 So those would be the teams right now. I think 2425 01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:04.000 there's five. Let's see one, two, three, four, five, I'll 2426 01:58:04.039 --> 01:58:06.720 say six. So I think I think six, right now 2427 01:58:07.119 --> 01:58:09.359 are still in the mix that I think can make 2428 01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:11.119 a legitimate case to win this league. 2429 01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:14.840 Curious to, I want to follow up about BYU because 2430 01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:19.479 I said last week that BYU, in my opinion, still 2431 01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:22.920 had serious questions the answer against Baylor on the road. Now, 2432 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:25.760 I was on the sideline for the Utah Baylor game 2433 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:29.880 and Baylor's offense is not all that impressive, and BYU 2434 01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:33.000 nearly nearly let Baylor get back into the game, but 2435 01:58:33.039 --> 01:58:36.239 nonetheless they won. They stayed clean. That defense year two 2436 01:58:36.319 --> 01:58:39.119 hunderd J. Hill looks like a defense they just coached 2437 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:41.920 by J. Hill and who head coach is Kialane. They're 2438 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:44.600 going to see Arizona after a bye in Provo. Then 2439 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.399 they have Oklahoma State and Provo as well at UCF 2440 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.359 at Utah, So they have a lot of tough games left. 2441 01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:52.720 But let's give credit where credit is due. Man, they're 2442 01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:55.520 clean through five games. Just how good Bill do you 2443 01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:56.399 think BYU is? 2444 01:58:57.560 --> 01:59:00.119 I don't know how good they are, Spence, but I 2445 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:02.359 came into the year thinking I didn't think they were good. 2446 01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:05.720 I thought they'd be an average to slightly below average team. 2447 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:07.640 I did, and to be fair, I just didn't know 2448 01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:09.920 a lot about them because there just wasn't a lot 2449 01:59:09.960 --> 01:59:13.199 of information. They didn't name their quarterback till midway or 2450 01:59:13.239 --> 01:59:15.840 late in camp, and I just I didn't have a 2451 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:18.119 very good feel for them. So I was kind of 2452 01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:20.479 judging them based on the second half of the season 2453 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:22.319 last year, where it kind of felt like the Big 2454 01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:24.840 twelve caught up with them a little bit. Well, what 2455 01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:28.600 they've done is they've come out, they're relatively healthy, they 2456 01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:32.720 don't beat themselves a bunch with mistakes. They've capitalized. I mean, 2457 01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:36.039 you know, in case, they gifted them a bunch of turnovers, 2458 01:59:36.039 --> 01:59:38.119 you know what they did, they turned them into touchdowns. 2459 01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:40.680 They didn't kick field goals, they turned them into touchdowns. 2460 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:42.960 And again I'll say this, and this is kind of 2461 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:45.960 Colonie teams have always really done this. They play really hard. 2462 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:49.000 So when you play hard and you don't beat yourself, 2463 01:59:49.399 --> 01:59:51.520 you give yourself a chance to stay in games. And 2464 01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:53.039 they've done just that in they're five and zero. 2465 01:59:54.479 --> 01:59:57.079 All right, Ryles, Well, for your sake and my sake, 2466 01:59:57.159 --> 01:59:59.039 I'll be churring for the Royals. But let me get this, 2467 01:59:59.199 --> 02:00:01.279 if the Yankees win the World Series, can we get 2468 02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:03.520 one of those hipster mustaches that all the kids have 2469 02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:04.079 these days. 2470 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:08.039 Maybe, Onya, No, I'm afraid now they're They're a favorite, 2471 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:10.720 you know what I mean. If they were transposed, if 2472 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:12.800 they were the wild card team, maybe I'd do it. 2473 02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:15.000 But now probing that, all right, then go Royals. I'm 2474 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:16.880 all about it. Ryle's thanks for the time today, buddy, 2475 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:17.359 Have a good week. 2476 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:18.600 Okay, thanks, Bence. 2477 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:22.079 All right, wrap it up the show for a Tuesday afternoon, 2478 02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:26.680 lovely day outside, good forecast this week. Hoping you're having 2479 02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:29.239 a good start to your work week as we answer 2480 02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:31.399 a little bit closer and closer to that weekend and 2481 02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:35.039 the start of Pro football on Thursday. Speaking of Pro football, 2482 02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:37.399 a couple pieces of news and notes that we missed 2483 02:00:37.960 --> 02:00:40.399 we were busy. Von Miller has been suspended four games 2484 02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:46.159 for violating the NFL Player Conduct Policy. No information, at 2485 02:00:46.199 --> 02:00:48.880 least none that I've seen on exactly what's going on 2486 02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:53.159 there has has been out, It has been at least 2487 02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:55.640 released as of now. He served a six game suspension 2488 02:00:55.640 --> 02:00:59.119 for performance and hatting and drugs back in twenty thirteen, 2489 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:03.279 so that news came out. And also DeVante Adams has 2490 02:01:03.319 --> 02:01:06.800 requested a trade from the Las Vegas Raiders and they 2491 02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:09.239 even formed teams and they will consider it and looking, 2492 02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:11.399 and they're looking for a second round pick, an additional 2493 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:16.079 compensation for one of the best most talented wide receivers 2494 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:19.359 in all of pro football. Gonzaga is high speed ahead 2495 02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:21.880 to the Pac twelve in twenty twenty six, as we 2496 02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:25.079 talked about, so obviously. 2497 02:01:24.640 --> 02:01:26.239 A lot of news in that direction. 2498 02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:30.279 All right, Porter, You know how I reference that my 2499 02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:32.960 fantasy football team is depressingly. 2500 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:36.159 Bad, I recall yet, yeah. 2501 02:01:35.359 --> 02:01:36.520 It's even worse than I thought. 2502 02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:40.760 Oh really, So, like a good fantasy football scorer is 2503 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:43.000 about one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty points week 2504 02:01:43.039 --> 02:01:44.479 in and week out. You put up one twenty, you 2505 02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:49.960 have a chance to win thirty nine points, thirty nine 2506 02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:54.039 points for my guys. So it's not just that it's bad, 2507 02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:56.760 it's that it's historically bad. And I am the worst 2508 02:01:56.800 --> 02:02:00.720 team in my league by far. Of course, injury have 2509 02:02:01.199 --> 02:02:05.479 riddled my roster, but my lineup of Will Levis that 2510 02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:08.800 didn't go well, Rashi Rice left with an injury. I 2511 02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:11.479 could keep going on and on and on. I have 2512 02:02:11.600 --> 02:02:14.920 Tyreek Hill, I have Joe Mixon who didn't play. I 2513 02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:18.119 have either completely underachievers at Pukakua. 2514 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:20.039 I have to a tongue of iloa. 2515 02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:23.680 I have also, I have either completely underachievers or total 2516 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:28.279 injured players on my roster and uh and it's just depressing. 2517 02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:29.680 I just need to get that off my chest. 2518 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:30.840 What's your team name? 2519 02:02:31.399 --> 02:02:32.439 I cannot say it on air? 2520 02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:40.279 No, no, actually, I cannot, thank you very much because 2521 02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:43.640 I'm because I'm responsible. Yeah, I can show I can 2522 02:02:43.640 --> 02:02:46.399 show you the team name. You know, I am interested 2523 02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:48.680 so well. I will tell you the team name of 2524 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:52.720 the team I have in the RSL League, the Gerald Fitzgerald's. 2525 02:02:53.079 --> 02:02:56.119 That's a that's a traditional one. Yes, and my and 2526 02:02:56.119 --> 02:02:58.439 you'll win that league, right probably, I. 2527 02:02:58.479 --> 02:02:59.199 Mean I always do. 2528 02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:02.720 But my little logo is a picture of Trey and 2529 02:03:02.760 --> 02:03:06.479 sunglasses inside because it makes me happy. So if your 2530 02:03:06.520 --> 02:03:09.920 fantasy football team is as bad as mine, I'm feeling you, guys, 2531 02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:12.920 my heart's with you. Hang in there, all right, Porter, 2532 02:03:13.000 --> 02:03:15.399 what comes our way on a Wednesday edition or this 2533 02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:17.399 little old radio. 2534 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:20.840 Show on a Wednesday, Spence, we'll preview UFC three oh seven. 2535 02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:24.000 I'm really excited for that. Another really fun event here 2536 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:27.159 in Salt Lake City. You'll remember our guy Court McGee 2537 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:31.560 was actually fighting this week. He kind of struggled with retire, 2538 02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:35.840 not retire, come back doing the can't decide thing. So 2539 02:03:36.199 --> 02:03:39.720 Court's back, he's fighting. He'll be in action over the weekend. 2540 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:42.920 He'll join us tomorrow. Chris Camronnie will join us tomorrow 2541 02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:47.319 as he is doing his own Cristomer McCandless thing. Over 2542 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:51.560 the weekend, Neil Smith will join us. We'll start talking 2543 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:55.119 some hockey on the program this week, and then Andy 2544 02:03:55.199 --> 02:03:57.439 Larson will drop by as well, so we're kind of 2545 02:03:57.640 --> 02:04:02.159 touching all our bases midweek, going back and forth, talking 2546 02:04:02.159 --> 02:04:04.840 some hoops, talking some football, talking some hockey, and maybe 2547 02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:06.560 even a little soccer on a game day as well too. 2548 02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:08.439 All right, there will be a game day for oursl 2549 02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:10.479 and one day closer to the weekend, on halfway through 2550 02:04:10.479 --> 02:04:12.520 your work week on a Wednesday, So join us for 2551 02:04:12.560 --> 02:04:16.039 that well SEGA Night special. 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It actually helps if you have time. 2563 02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:47.840 He's Porter, I'm Spence Saga Night. Enjoy your Tuesday evening. 2564 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:51.199 Little wildcard Baseball comes your way. Coming up next, Catch 2565 02:04:51.279 --> 02:04:54.079 Oliver right here on ESPN seven hundred