WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.719 It's NIC's Eyes with Dan ray I'm going crazy Boston's 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:05.400 News Radio. 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:09.439 Thank you Madison. As we start off a Wednesday night, 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.759 We're be here for the next four hours, give or take, 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:17.079 take a little bit. We'll go till eleven fifty eight, 6 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.160 all the way almost all the way to midnight. My 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:23.199 name is Dan Rayam, the host of Nightside. Rob Brooks, 8 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.399 the producer of this program, is back at Broadcast Center 9 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.120 at Broadcast headquarters. He's all set to start taking your 10 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.320 phone calls. He's got a little work to do this 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:37.359 hour where we're rearranging some of the guests at this point, 12 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:42.560 so excuse us if things were a little out of order, 13 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.240 but we'll get them all in, I hope in some 14 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:47.640 form of fashion. My name's Dan Rayam, the host of 15 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.159 the show. Here every Monday through Friday night, beginning from 16 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.320 eight to midnight. At nine o'clock time, we're gonna look 17 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.439 at that deadly school bus accident that took place on 18 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.799 April twenty eight, that's now nearly two and a half 19 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.599 weeks ago, and little is known about that. We'll get 20 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:08.920 to that. We're also going to talk about the attempt 21 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.599 at is arrests in Worcester, which have led to some 22 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:17.920 violent street activity out there, and also a warning from 23 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.560 the new US Attorney. We'll get to all of that tonight, 24 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.439 but that will be during the nine to ten and 25 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.319 eleven o'clock hours, and so for now we're going to 26 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:29.879 start off with our first guest of the night. Her 27 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.159 name is Leslie Alderman. Leslie, you could run for an 28 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.879 office in a lot of communities in that country with 29 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.079 this in our country, with the last name Alderman and 30 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.439 Leslie for Alderman, it would work out perfectly. I'm sure 31 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.000 that is not on your radar screen or on your 32 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:47.840 bucket list. Welcome to Nightside. How are you? 33 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:49.200 Oh? 34 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.280 Thank you? Yes, I know. I feel like my name 35 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.760 makes me sound very official, but I'm really just a psychotherapist. 36 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.480 Oh don't say just a psychotherapist. That is a very 37 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.480 licensed clinic psychotherapist, I believe social worker. 38 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:03.079 Uh. 39 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.359 And you're based in Brooklyn, New York, and you also 40 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:10.639 write for the Washington Post. Ask a therapist. So the 41 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.680 question that you're going to answer for us tonight is 42 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.639 what do you do when in over talker that's a 43 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:20.439 very polite word, or for someone who won't shut up? 44 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.120 What do you over talk or dominates every conversation, and 45 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.800 I am not going to dominate this conversation. Did you 46 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.560 Did you ever see the movie, or rather the series, 47 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:37.080 Dairy Girls, By any chance I did not. There was one. 48 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:41.120 There was one. Uh. It's a comedy series about young 49 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.280 women coming of age in Northern Ireland. Uh. And it's 50 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:49.240 a hysterical series. Uh. They have a they have an 51 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.080 uncle who just talks and he doesn't stop, and he 52 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:56.680 comes in and out of the conversations and whatever is 53 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.439 being discussed. He will kind of pick up on a 54 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.919 thread and take the conversation off in anutther direction. So 55 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.479 I assume that's what we're talking about. As an over talker, 56 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.439 you probably will have a better explanation for my audience. 57 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.759 So you go right ahead. I well, zip my lip, 58 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:14.240 go ahead. 59 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:16.280 Yeah. 60 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:19.479 You know, over talkers can be quite charming and lots 61 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.319 of fun, you know, when they have lots of great 62 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.919 stories and they tell lots of yarns and they kind 63 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.919 of can be the life of the party. Sometimes it 64 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:32.599 can just be a little too much. And my piece 65 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.240 was about what do you do when that person who 66 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:41.680 just likes to hold forth when it's starting to kind 67 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:46.560 of feel like it's infringing let's say, your personal freedom 68 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.479 to get a word in edge wise, what do you 69 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.759 do then? And so that's when the over talking becomes 70 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.159 kind of problematic. And you know, look, people people like 71 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.120 to talk about them It's what we know best, right, 72 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.800 It's where we often feel on firm ground. And our 73 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.719 minds are designed to be egocentric, like our minds are 74 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.599 designed to think about ourselves. So it's quite normal for 75 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:22.399 people to often talk more about themselves and perhaps forget 76 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:23.839 to ask questions. 77 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:25.480 You know. 78 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.800 Also, there's a certain amount of social anxiety that often 79 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:33.639 creates chatterboxes where you get into a situation and you 80 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.639 feel a little nervous, so you don't want to have 81 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.079 any pauses and you just keep talking and talking and talking. 82 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:47.000 So there's there's many reasons why people can get a 83 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:52.279 reputation for being, well, well, we'll say it nicely as 84 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:53.199 an overtalker. 85 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:57.199 Okay. So the question then is we're somewhere in a 86 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.759 social setting, whether it's a barbecue this summer, whether it's 87 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.519 at a Thanksgiving dinner in late November, and we have 88 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.199 what we will call an Uncle Komb That was the 89 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.800 name of the character in Dairy Girls. Coomb. It's a 90 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:17.360 hysterical series, by the way, butte I recommended all my friends. 91 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.680 So what do we do with an uncle Komb who 92 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.240 just takes the conversation and starts to run away with 93 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.639 the conversation but never leaving the circle of people who 94 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:28.839 he thinks he's entertaining. 95 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.879 Yeah, okay, so well, first, let's be empathetic, like this 96 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.439 person might we don't know, Let's give them the benefit 97 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.639 of the doubt. They might think that they are really entertaining. 98 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.519 They might think they're doing everyone a great service by 99 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.519 you know, filling the airwaves. Or they might also just 100 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.759 be completely clueless that they're having an impact on anyone else. 101 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.680 So let's start with you know, I'm a therapist. I 102 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.240 like to be empathic, give people the benefit of the doubt. 103 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.480 Then it kind of depends on your relationship ship with 104 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.240 the person. If this is someone you have a good 105 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.800 relationship with, you feel close to, so you could say, hey, 106 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.399 you know, it's great how you love to tell stories, 107 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:19.399 but I think maybe you're dominating the conversation, or or 108 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.319 even if you're you know, you could say, hey, you know, 109 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.800 it's really you could use a little bit of humor 110 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.240 and say gosh, you have a lot to say about that, 111 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.720 and then gently uh change the subject. You know, if 112 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.519 this is someone that's really like a close uncle, you 113 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.959 could like say, hey, come on over here, I got 114 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:38.759 to talk to you about something, and just say hey, 115 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.319 you know, I think that it would be great if 116 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.279 you asked a few more questions like this. You know 117 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:46.920 that that you're you're telling a lot of great stories, 118 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.319 but people love it when you ask questions. So I 119 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.439 think some of this when you're dealing with someone who 120 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.120 talks a lot, it really depends a lot on your 121 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:58.839 relationship with them because it's very delicate, like no one 122 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:04.519 really wants to be scolded. You need to know when 123 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.399 can you use levity and when do you need to 124 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:08.600 use another tactic. 125 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.879 Well, I think that's very good advice because I think 126 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.399 that that's something that you have to think about. What 127 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.959 is the relationship with the person who you are about 128 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.360 to true upon as they hold court. My wife is 129 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.959 very good. She she always tells me listen, listen, listen, 130 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.079 and ask questions of other people. So that's the advice 131 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.519 that I have been given. And when I don't pay 132 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:40.000 attention to that advice, she will interrupt with greater poem 133 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:45.680 by the way, but certainly she's she makes me sensitive 134 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.360 to this. Uh and uh, I think it's something all 135 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.759 of us should think about. Uh. And I think you've 136 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:57.439 provided some really interesting and solid advice to take into consideration. 137 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.199 Who you're about to interrupt, Leslie? How how often are 138 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.279 you in the Post and the WAPO, as we say, 139 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:04.879 you in there every week or so? 140 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:07.000 No, it's sort of it. 141 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.959 This is for the Ask a Therapist column, but sometimes 142 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.560 I write for other sections. I primarily write about mental health. 143 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.560 All right, Well, if folks want to get in touch 144 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.519 with you, is it possible if people have a question 145 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.959 that they could they could direct towards you? 146 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.399 Well, yes, they can certainly write into the Washington Post 147 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.559 and say, you know, to the Ask a Therapist you 148 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:35.639 call them and say, hey, I've got a question for 149 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.720 a therapist, or they can reach out to me on 150 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.879 my website at Leslie Alderman dot com. 151 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.720 Sounds great, Leslie, Thank you so much, and again, keep 152 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:47.759 thinking about running for political office, because with a name 153 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:52.240 like Aldermen, Aldermen for Aldermen, no one would forget your candidacy. 154 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.360 I think you would sweep to victory wherever you run 155 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:59.360 as long the obviously the post you're seeking is an 156 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.679 Alderman post. If it's a city council, it's not going 157 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:04.080 to work. 158 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.279 Great advice that my retirement plan. 159 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.919 Okay, Leslie, appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Love 160 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.399 to have you back. Thank you very much. Okay, all right, 161 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.759 we get back. We're going to talk about the Republican 162 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.440 tax bill, which includes an couple, well a lot of 163 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.440 interesting provisions. We're going to focus on one. By the way, 164 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.039 let me remind you if you haven't taken an opportunity 165 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.320 to get the new and improved iHeart app. I'm telling you, 166 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.200 just go to your app store, bring it down on 167 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.519 any device that you have. Make us your first preset. 168 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.279 Make WBZ your first preset. That sounds more complicated than 169 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:43.399 it really is. Anyone can do it. Just make it. 170 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.720 Make WBZ your first preset, so that we are going 171 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.720 to be your go to station and you will be 172 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.879 able to get us at any time of day, literally 173 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.600 anywhere in the world. All I have to do is 174 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:57.960 just reach out and touch us, and well, you know, 175 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:00.679 I know we've got a great radio signal, but we'd 176 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.440 like as a backup everybody, everybody to get the iHeart app. 177 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.440 My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside, and we will 178 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:10.320 be right back with more conversation with another guest right 179 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:10.679 after this. 180 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:16.279 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 181 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:16.919 news radio. 182 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.480 Happen to be joined by Chris Carosa. He's a certif 183 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.759 I trust In fiduciary advisor, senior contributed to Forbes, and 184 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.240 author of the Parent's Guide to Turning Your Team into 185 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.600 a Millionaire. Oh wouldn't that be wonderful? How are you, 186 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.440 Chris Caroso? 187 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:34.399 I'm doing great. How are you? 188 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.480 I'm doing wonderful. Sally, give some sort of internet airplane 189 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.519 or something. I'm getting a lot of air noise in 190 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:42.279 the background here. 191 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.120 I'm actually in a car. 192 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.399 Okay, well that's just that'll do it too. But that's okay, 193 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.519 keep those windows rolled up if you don't mind. So 194 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:58.720 the President refers to this on big beautiful bill tax bill. 195 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.480 But we're going to focus on one aspect of it, 196 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:06.879 and that is the President wants mega accounts and wants 197 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.679 to give babies one thousand dollars. Obviously, give the parents 198 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:12.720 of those babies one thousand dollars to be put in 199 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.240 the equivalent of some sort of a savings account to 200 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:21.360 get someone started on the treadmill of life. Tell us 201 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:24.080 about it. How's this plan going to work, Chris? 202 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.639 I think it's described somewhat like a four oh one 203 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.799 K for kids, where you put the money in, they'll 204 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.639 put the thousand dollars in there. That's yeah, that's so so. 205 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.440 But the more exciting thing, assuming it passes, is the 206 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.279 ability for the parents to contribute up to five thousand 207 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.279 dollars a year until the child turns eight. When you 208 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.080 get that kind of money compounded over a long time, 209 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:55.039 it can really accumulate some big assets and solve a 210 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.320 lot of problems that I think we're having overall, in 211 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.919 particular with Social Security. With that kind of donations and 212 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.720 at an eight percent return until the child is age seventy, 213 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:13.840 that contribution, those contributions are seven point four million dollars. 214 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.039 That's a good amount of money to retire on. 215 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.720 Yeah. So what you yeah, certainly would be okay. So 216 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.879 what you're saying is the federal government when a child 217 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.360 is born, or would this be retroactive for children up 218 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.039 to a certain age or or once does this have 219 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.320 to pass Congress, be signed by the White House, and 220 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.559 anyone born after that date would qualify. I assume that's 221 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:38.039 the way it is. 222 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.759 I think the version that I saw, it's over the 223 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.440 next three years, say baby's born, over the next three years, 224 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.679 we'll get this thousand dollars from the government. Okay, I 225 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.799 don't know if that five thousand dollarmentation is also only 226 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:56.720 limited to those kids, but if it's better, If it's not. 227 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.799 It's okay, you threw me on that one. What do 228 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.600 you mean it's better if it's not. What do you 229 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:05.039 mean by that? 230 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.120 It's better if it's not limited, just as those kids? 231 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.360 Oh, right, right, right, right right, So yeah, hopefully this 232 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.360 should go forward. So the account is opened by money 233 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.039 from the federal government for thousand dollars, and then the 234 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:24.519 parents keen, if they so choose, contribute up to five 235 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.519 thousand dollars for the first seven years of the child's life. 236 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.440 So that would mean when they turn what seven, they're 237 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.320 going to have thirty six thousand dollars plus whatever interest 238 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.720 was was developed, and at that point the contributions from 239 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.320 the parents would cease. But just the compounding is going 240 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.039 to turn that money by time that theoretical child turns 241 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:56.759 seventy at an eight percent compounded rate, to seven point 242 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.000 four million dollars. And this is separate and apart from 243 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:07.399 the proposal that the President has floated, which moms and 244 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:12.279 dads would be given five thousand dollars separate, apart for 245 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.720 every child to help with the costs of the first 246 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.559 few years or a child's life. Correct. 247 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.840 Yeah, this is totally different. Dad was to the parents. 248 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:23.399 This is to the kids. 249 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:28.440 Okay, fine, And this also would be good I assume 250 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.279 for your industry, the estate planning industry, the certified trust 251 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.399 in saery industry as well, because a lot of parents 252 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:38.159 would look at this money and say what do I 253 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.039 do with this? And they're going to need to seek 254 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:40.480 some help. 255 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.000 I assume, Oh, yeah, definitely it would be good for 256 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.039 the industry. But I think it would be also good 257 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.879 for public policy, because if you have less pressure on 258 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:55.240 social Security, then you're more likely to fulfill the promise. 259 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.600 The government is more likely to fulfill the promises that 260 00:14:58.759 --> 00:14:59.720 it made to the people. 261 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.440 Yeah. The problem with that, as I'm sure you are 262 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.320 more than aware, is that the Social Security Trust Fund 263 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.159 periodically they tell us it's going to run out in 264 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.879 twenty thirty four. Now what happens is that they raised 265 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:19.159 taxes or they're able to do something, But it would 266 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:23.559 be quite a time before the fruit of the seeds 267 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:28.360 that are being planted with this so called mega account. 268 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:32.919 Before those seeds bear fruit, it would be somewhere around 269 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.960 seventy years down the line, So we're talking about pretty 270 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.000 darn close to the turning of the next century before 271 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:44.600 kids who are being born now actually reach retirement age 272 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.919 in the age of which they can take advantage of 273 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.759 this program. It's but as someone once said, when is 274 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.320 the best day to plant a tree? Yesterday? Get it started. 275 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.879 You've got to start somewhere, and you might as well 276 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.879 start at the easiest point and then work backward if 277 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:00.399 you need to. 278 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.240 Absolutely, Chris, how can first of all thank you for 279 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:06.879 doing this. How can any of our listeners get in 280 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:08.960 touch with you? I'm sure you have a website that 281 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.080 you could direct people to. 282 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:16.759 I have a website called childira dot com. Just go 283 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.799 there and there's some nice articles you can read and 284 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.480 maybe even a place you can sign up to get 285 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:24.360 more information. 286 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.360 Yeah, I'll tell you any parent who can put some 287 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:34.399 money away childira dot com. It's so important because if 288 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:39.639 you bring someone into the world, whatever your financial circumstances are, 289 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.320 whatever you can do to sort of plan for that 290 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:49.279 child's future, whether it involves college education, vocational education, and 291 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.279 then a little bit of a grubstake for them to 292 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:57.399 get started. It's so important, it is. It's just amazing. 293 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:02.320 Very few people are born with that proverbial silver spoon 294 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.319 in their mouth, and so for everyone else who's not 295 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:09.400 born with a silver spoon in their mouth, or as 296 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.680 Anne richard Is, the former governor of Texas, once said, 297 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.440 some people get born on third base and they think 298 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.920 they've hit a triple. These are great ideas, and I 299 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.039 thank you chrispher explaining him as clearly as as you 300 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.319 did tonight for my audience. And I hope to have 301 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.559 you back all right. 302 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:28.359 Thanks for having me. 303 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.160 You're welcome. And how's that car ride going? Where are 304 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.440 you driving? By the way, I'm just kind of curious. 305 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:34.960 Where abouts are you? What state? 306 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.240 I'm driving from Buffalo to Rochester. I'm in the middle 307 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:42.160 of a book tour on Lafayec. It's another book that 308 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:42.680 I wrote. 309 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:48.559 I'll tell you our station. When you hang up, go 310 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.799 to ten thirty and your am Dowd. You'll be able 311 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.359 to hear us. We boom up into all right, I 312 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.960 will up into northern New York out of New England 313 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.880 are fifty thousand WAT longtime radio station, so you will 314 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:02.119 be able to hear the next guest. We're going to 315 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:07.720 talk about Jason Tatum's achilles injury and which he suffered 316 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.079 Monday night playing against the Knicks. Thank you again, Chris appreciated. 317 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.079 Thanks then, all right, and by the way, any of 318 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.640 you who are out there and you're having any sort 319 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.640 of trouble listening to us, you also can always pull 320 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:25.799 us down from the app store the iHeart app. I 321 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:28.880 mentioned that a few times and again it's just really 322 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.559 a new way to be in touch with us. Pull 323 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:36.759 that iHeart app down and make WBZ your first preset, 324 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:42.079 your first default, and you'll always be just a fingertip away. 325 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:44.599 We will be back. We're going to talk with an 326 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:50.920 orthopedic surgeon from Tough's Medical Center, doctor Atsushi Endo, about 327 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.480 Jason Tatum and his torn achilles, how it happens, how 328 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.680 it's treated, and what's the recovery period. It's a tough 329 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.759 recovery period. Back nightside right after the news at the 330 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:02.680 bottom of the hour. 331 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.240 So you're on night Side with Dan Ray on w 332 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:08.400 Boston's News radio. 333 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:17.319 Well, all of us have seen that horrific accent. Well, accident, 334 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.119 it was an accident that Jason Tatum suffered on Monday 335 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.880 night at Madison Square Garden Garden when he tore his achilles. 336 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:27.799 So all sorts of questions is how does it happen, 337 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:30.279 how's this treated? And what's the recovery period? With us 338 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.279 is doctor at Sushi Endo? Uh, he's an orthopedic surgeon 339 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.680 and Tuff's Medical Center. Doctor Endo, welcome to Nightside. 340 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.640 Thank you for joining us, Oh, thank you for having me. 341 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.559 So I think most of us understand that there's a 342 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:49.759 lot of torque put on professional basketball players legs as 343 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.960 they're as they're stopping and starting and going in directions, 344 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.960 in different directions. I assume that's what what caused him 345 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:00.920 to go down with this injury. We've all seen it. 346 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.759 Break it down for us if you would, we can 347 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.720 visualize it when you were watching or if you were 348 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.559 if you watch the replay, how long did it take 349 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.279 you to figure out that it was going to be 350 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:14.160 an achilles problem that he'd have to deal with? 351 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:20.359 Oh, so just by looking at the videos, sometimes it's difficult, 352 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.480 you know, but usually the athletes, our patients tell you 353 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.359 that where the pain is, and also they kind of 354 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:31.480 describe how it happened. Then we can kind of tell 355 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.759 what's going on, but just by looking at the video 356 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.599 it's sometimes difficult, like what's going on? 357 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:43.000 Well, he was writhing in pain, and when I looked 358 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.359 at it, I thought to myself, and I'm not a doctor, 359 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.240 this is a serious injury. So it has now been 360 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:54.359 diagnosed as an achilles. It is something that you would 361 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.960 think that a twenty seven year old professional basketball player 362 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.799 would have done all this stretching exercises. It was late 363 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:06.400 in the game and all of that. What do they 364 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.519 do to how do you treat this? I mean, this 365 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:13.920 is a huge surgical procedure that he now has undergone. 366 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.799 Let's talk about the the procedure yourself. Is it a 367 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:21.880 difficult surgery to to to actually complete? I assume as 368 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:26.200 an orthopedic surgeon, you're much more familiar with this procedure 369 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.359 than anyone in my audience. 370 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:34.759 Sure, so, yes, you know the I kind of tendon, 371 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:40.400 the rupture. It can be treated surgically or non surgically. 372 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:46.920 But in terms of surgery, the surgery itself is relatively straightforward, 373 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:51.319 meaning that basically the tendons are torn, so we repair 374 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.880 often with the futures, so we open up the skin 375 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.559 tend on his torn so we just repair, like you know, 376 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.240 just so up and put it together. That's how the 377 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.880 surgery goes. Usually takes like probably less than one hour. 378 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.440 People who I know who have had achilles say that 379 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:16.119 they had the sensation of an elastic snapping and the 380 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.960 achilles sort of rolls up like an elastic up their legs. 381 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.599 Is that a common thing that you've heard from patients. 382 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.119 Yes, that's true. 383 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.880 And the actual people often say that that they hear 384 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:33.839 a snapping sound or feeling of snapping, and often they 385 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.279 say that, you know, they feel like somebody was hitting 386 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.599 from the behind of the calf, but actually nobody was there. 387 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.720 That's how they often describe it. 388 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:47.960 Is Is it because of the the amount of torque 389 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.039 or the amount of pressure that is being put put 390 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.480 on this it's it's it? Is it a tendon or 391 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:59.160 a ligament or is it a bit of both? Uh? 392 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:04.200 That's uh. Acquits tendon so not the ligaments and tendons. 393 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.200 Is the largest tendon in the body, and that connects 394 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.559 the calf muscle and the hue bone. 395 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:19.319 Yeah. And when the surgery is done as quickly. Again, 396 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.440 Tatum had this surgery done. I found out tonight in 397 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:24.839 New York. He didn't originally said he was going to 398 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.039 come back to Boston and have an MRI I done. 399 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.200 The surgery was done immediately in New York by apparently 400 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:38.240 very competent surgeon. What's the uh, the prognosis for a recovery? 401 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.599