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Speaker 2: but that will be during the nine to ten and
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock hours, and so for now we're going to
Speaker 2: start off with our first guest of the night. Her
Speaker 2: name is Leslie Alderman. Leslie, you could run for an
Speaker 2: office in a lot of communities in that country with
Speaker 2: this in our country, with the last name Alderman and
Speaker 2: Leslie for Alderman, it would work out perfectly. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that is not on your radar screen or on your
Speaker 2: bucket list. Welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yes, I know. I feel like my name
Speaker 4: makes me sound very official, but I'm really just a psychotherapist.
Speaker 2: Oh don't say just a psychotherapist. That is a very
Speaker 2: licensed clinic psychotherapist, I believe social worker.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you're based in Brooklyn, New York, and you also
Speaker 2: write for the Washington Post. Ask a therapist. So the
Speaker 2: question that you're going to answer for us tonight is
Speaker 2: what do you do when in over talker that's a
Speaker 2: very polite word, or for someone who won't shut up?
Speaker 2: What do you over talk or dominates every conversation, and
Speaker 2: I am not going to dominate this conversation. Did you
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the movie, or rather the series,
Speaker 2: Dairy Girls, By any chance I did not. There was one.
Speaker 2: There was one. Uh. It's a comedy series about young
Speaker 2: women coming of age in Northern Ireland. Uh. And it's
Speaker 2: a hysterical series. Uh. They have a they have an
Speaker 2: uncle who just talks and he doesn't stop, and he
Speaker 2: comes in and out of the conversations and whatever is
Speaker 2: being discussed. He will kind of pick up on a
Speaker 2: thread and take the conversation off in anutther direction. So
Speaker 2: I assume that's what we're talking about. As an over talker,
Speaker 2: you probably will have a better explanation for my audience.
Speaker 2: So you go right ahead. I well, zip my lip,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, over talkers can be quite charming and lots
Speaker 4: of fun, you know, when they have lots of great
Speaker 4: stories and they tell lots of yarns and they kind
Speaker 4: of can be the life of the party. Sometimes it
Speaker 4: can just be a little too much. And my piece
Speaker 4: was about what do you do when that person who
Speaker 4: just likes to hold forth when it's starting to kind
Speaker 4: of feel like it's infringing let's say, your personal freedom
Speaker 4: to get a word in edge wise, what do you
Speaker 4: do then? And so that's when the over talking becomes
Speaker 4: kind of problematic. And you know, look, people people like
Speaker 4: to talk about them It's what we know best, right,
Speaker 4: It's where we often feel on firm ground. And our
Speaker 4: minds are designed to be egocentric, like our minds are
Speaker 4: designed to think about ourselves. So it's quite normal for
Speaker 4: people to often talk more about themselves and perhaps forget
Speaker 4: to ask questions.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Also, there's a certain amount of social anxiety that often
Speaker 4: creates chatterboxes where you get into a situation and you
Speaker 4: feel a little nervous, so you don't want to have
Speaker 4: any pauses and you just keep talking and talking and talking.
Speaker 4: So there's there's many reasons why people can get a
Speaker 4: reputation for being, well, well, we'll say it nicely as
Speaker 4: an overtalker.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the question then is we're somewhere in a
Speaker 2: social setting, whether it's a barbecue this summer, whether it's
Speaker 2: at a Thanksgiving dinner in late November, and we have
Speaker 2: what we will call an Uncle Komb That was the
Speaker 2: name of the character in Dairy Girls. Coomb. It's a
Speaker 2: hysterical series, by the way, butte I recommended all my friends.
Speaker 2: So what do we do with an uncle Komb who
Speaker 2: just takes the conversation and starts to run away with
Speaker 2: the conversation but never leaving the circle of people who
Speaker 2: he thinks he's entertaining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so well, first, let's be empathetic, like this
Speaker 4: person might we don't know, Let's give them the benefit
Speaker 4: of the doubt. They might think that they are really entertaining.
Speaker 4: They might think they're doing everyone a great service by
Speaker 4: you know, filling the airwaves. Or they might also just
Speaker 4: be completely clueless that they're having an impact on anyone else.
Speaker 4: So let's start with you know, I'm a therapist. I
Speaker 4: like to be empathic, give people the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4: Then it kind of depends on your relationship ship with
Speaker 4: the person. If this is someone you have a good
Speaker 4: relationship with, you feel close to, so you could say, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, it's great how you love to tell stories,
Speaker 4: but I think maybe you're dominating the conversation, or or
Speaker 4: even if you're you know, you could say, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: it's really you could use a little bit of humor
Speaker 4: and say gosh, you have a lot to say about that,
Speaker 4: and then gently uh change the subject. You know, if
Speaker 4: this is someone that's really like a close uncle, you
Speaker 4: could like say, hey, come on over here, I got
Speaker 4: to talk to you about something, and just say hey,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that it would be great if
Speaker 4: you asked a few more questions like this. You know
Speaker 4: that that you're you're telling a lot of great stories,
Speaker 4: but people love it when you ask questions. So I
Speaker 4: think some of this when you're dealing with someone who
Speaker 4: talks a lot, it really depends a lot on your
Speaker 4: relationship with them because it's very delicate, like no one
Speaker 4: really wants to be scolded. You need to know when
Speaker 4: can you use levity and when do you need to
Speaker 4: use another tactic.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's very good advice because I think
Speaker 2: that that's something that you have to think about. What
Speaker 2: is the relationship with the person who you are about
Speaker 2: to true upon as they hold court. My wife is
Speaker 2: very good. She she always tells me listen, listen, listen,
Speaker 2: and ask questions of other people. So that's the advice
Speaker 2: that I have been given. And when I don't pay
Speaker 2: attention to that advice, she will interrupt with greater poem
Speaker 2: by the way, but certainly she's she makes me sensitive
Speaker 2: to this. Uh and uh, I think it's something all
Speaker 2: of us should think about. Uh. And I think you've
Speaker 2: provided some really interesting and solid advice to take into consideration.
Speaker 2: Who you're about to interrupt, Leslie? How how often are
Speaker 2: you in the Post and the WAPO, as we say,
Speaker 2: you in there every week or so?
Speaker 6: No, it's sort of it.
Speaker 4: This is for the Ask a Therapist column, but sometimes
Speaker 4: I write for other sections. I primarily write about mental health.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, if folks want to get in touch
Speaker 2: with you, is it possible if people have a question
Speaker 2: that they could they could direct towards you?
Speaker 4: Well, yes, they can certainly write into the Washington Post
Speaker 4: and say, you know, to the Ask a Therapist you
Speaker 4: call them and say, hey, I've got a question for
Speaker 4: a therapist, or they can reach out to me on
Speaker 4: my website at Leslie Alderman dot com.
Speaker 2: Sounds great, Leslie, Thank you so much, and again, keep
Speaker 2: thinking about running for political office, because with a name
Speaker 2: like Aldermen, Aldermen for Aldermen, no one would forget your candidacy.
Speaker 2: I think you would sweep to victory wherever you run
Speaker 2: as long the obviously the post you're seeking is an
Speaker 2: Alderman post. If it's a city council, it's not going
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 4: Great advice that my retirement plan.
Speaker 2: Okay, Leslie, appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Love
Speaker 2: to have you back. Thank you very much. Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
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Speaker 2: Happen to be joined by Chris Carosa. He's a certif
Speaker 2: I trust In fiduciary advisor, senior contributed to Forbes, and
Speaker 2: author of the Parent's Guide to Turning Your Team into
Speaker 2: a Millionaire. Oh wouldn't that be wonderful? How are you,
Speaker 2: Chris Caroso?
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing wonderful. Sally, give some sort of internet airplane
Speaker 2: or something. I'm getting a lot of air noise in
Speaker 2: the background here.
Speaker 5: I'm actually in a car.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's just that'll do it too. But that's okay,
Speaker 2: keep those windows rolled up if you don't mind. So
Speaker 2: the President refers to this on big beautiful bill tax bill.
Speaker 2: But we're going to focus on one aspect of it,
Speaker 2: and that is the President wants mega accounts and wants
Speaker 2: to give babies one thousand dollars. Obviously, give the parents
Speaker 2: of those babies one thousand dollars to be put in
Speaker 2: the equivalent of some sort of a savings account to
Speaker 2: get someone started on the treadmill of life. Tell us
Speaker 2: about it. How's this plan going to work, Chris?
Speaker 5: I think it's described somewhat like a four oh one
Speaker 5: K for kids, where you put the money in, they'll
Speaker 5: put the thousand dollars in there. That's yeah, that's so so.
Speaker 5: But the more exciting thing, assuming it passes, is the
Speaker 5: ability for the parents to contribute up to five thousand
Speaker 5: dollars a year until the child turns eight. When you
Speaker 5: get that kind of money compounded over a long time,
Speaker 5: it can really accumulate some big assets and solve a
Speaker 5: lot of problems that I think we're having overall, in
Speaker 5: particular with Social Security. With that kind of donations and
Speaker 5: at an eight percent return until the child is age seventy,
Speaker 5: that contribution, those contributions are seven point four million dollars.
Speaker 5: That's a good amount of money to retire on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what you yeah, certainly would be okay. So
Speaker 2: what you're saying is the federal government when a child
Speaker 2: is born, or would this be retroactive for children up
Speaker 2: to a certain age or or once does this have
Speaker 2: to pass Congress, be signed by the White House, and
Speaker 2: anyone born after that date would qualify. I assume that's
Speaker 2: the way it is.
Speaker 5: I think the version that I saw, it's over the
Speaker 5: next three years, say baby's born, over the next three years,
Speaker 5: we'll get this thousand dollars from the government. Okay, I
Speaker 5: don't know if that five thousand dollarmentation is also only
Speaker 5: limited to those kids, but if it's better, If it's not.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you threw me on that one. What do
Speaker 2: you mean it's better if it's not. What do you
Speaker 2: mean by that?
Speaker 5: It's better if it's not limited, just as those kids?
Speaker 2: Oh, right, right, right, right right, So yeah, hopefully this
Speaker 2: should go forward. So the account is opened by money
Speaker 2: from the federal government for thousand dollars, and then the
Speaker 2: parents keen, if they so choose, contribute up to five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the first seven years of the child's life.
Speaker 2: So that would mean when they turn what seven, they're
Speaker 2: going to have thirty six thousand dollars plus whatever interest
Speaker 2: was was developed, and at that point the contributions from
Speaker 2: the parents would cease. But just the compounding is going
Speaker 2: to turn that money by time that theoretical child turns
Speaker 2: seventy at an eight percent compounded rate, to seven point
Speaker 2: four million dollars. And this is separate and apart from
Speaker 2: the proposal that the President has floated, which moms and
Speaker 2: dads would be given five thousand dollars separate, apart for
Speaker 2: every child to help with the costs of the first
Speaker 2: few years or a child's life. Correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is totally different. Dad was to the parents.
Speaker 1: This is to the kids.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, And this also would be good I assume
Speaker 2: for your industry, the estate planning industry, the certified trust
Speaker 2: in saery industry as well, because a lot of parents
Speaker 2: would look at this money and say what do I
Speaker 2: do with this? And they're going to need to seek
Speaker 2: some help.
Speaker 5: I assume, Oh, yeah, definitely it would be good for
Speaker 5: the industry. But I think it would be also good
Speaker 5: for public policy, because if you have less pressure on
Speaker 5: social Security, then you're more likely to fulfill the promise.
Speaker 5: The government is more likely to fulfill the promises that
Speaker 5: it made to the people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem with that, as I'm sure you are
Speaker 2: more than aware, is that the Social Security Trust Fund
Speaker 2: periodically they tell us it's going to run out in
Speaker 2: twenty thirty four. Now what happens is that they raised
Speaker 2: taxes or they're able to do something, But it would
Speaker 2: be quite a time before the fruit of the seeds
Speaker 2: that are being planted with this so called mega account.
Speaker 2: Before those seeds bear fruit, it would be somewhere around
Speaker 2: seventy years down the line, So we're talking about pretty
Speaker 2: darn close to the turning of the next century before
Speaker 2: kids who are being born now actually reach retirement age
Speaker 2: in the age of which they can take advantage of
Speaker 2: this program. It's but as someone once said, when is
Speaker 2: the best day to plant a tree? Yesterday? Get it started.
Speaker 5: You've got to start somewhere, and you might as well
Speaker 5: start at the easiest point and then work backward if
Speaker 5: you need to.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Chris, how can first of all thank you for
Speaker 2: doing this. How can any of our listeners get in
Speaker 2: touch with you? I'm sure you have a website that
Speaker 2: you could direct people to.
Speaker 5: I have a website called childira dot com. Just go
Speaker 5: there and there's some nice articles you can read and
Speaker 5: maybe even a place you can sign up to get
Speaker 5: more information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you any parent who can put some
Speaker 2: money away childira dot com. It's so important because if
Speaker 2: you bring someone into the world, whatever your financial circumstances are,
Speaker 2: whatever you can do to sort of plan for that
Speaker 2: child's future, whether it involves college education, vocational education, and
Speaker 2: then a little bit of a grubstake for them to
Speaker 2: get started. It's so important, it is. It's just amazing.
Speaker 2: Very few people are born with that proverbial silver spoon
Speaker 2: in their mouth, and so for everyone else who's not
Speaker 2: born with a silver spoon in their mouth, or as
Speaker 2: Anne richard Is, the former governor of Texas, once said,
Speaker 2: some people get born on third base and they think
Speaker 2: they've hit a triple. These are great ideas, and I
Speaker 2: thank you chrispher explaining him as clearly as as you
Speaker 2: did tonight for my audience. And I hope to have
Speaker 2: you back all right.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. And how's that car ride going? Where are
Speaker 2: you driving? By the way, I'm just kind of curious.
Speaker 2: Where abouts are you? What state?
Speaker 5: I'm driving from Buffalo to Rochester. I'm in the middle
Speaker 5: of a book tour on Lafayec. It's another book that
Speaker 5: I wrote.
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Speaker 2: talk about Jason Tatum's achilles injury and which he suffered
Speaker 2: Monday night playing against the Knicks. Thank you again, Chris appreciated.
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Speaker 2: We will be back. We're going to talk with an
Speaker 2: orthopedic surgeon from Tough's Medical Center, doctor Atsushi Endo, about
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum and his torn achilles, how it happens, how
Speaker 2: it's treated, and what's the recovery period. It's a tough
Speaker 2: recovery period. Back nightside right after the news at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: So you're on night Side with Dan Ray on w
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Speaker 2: Well, all of us have seen that horrific accent. Well, accident,
Speaker 2: it was an accident that Jason Tatum suffered on Monday
Speaker 2: night at Madison Square Garden Garden when he tore his achilles.
Speaker 2: So all sorts of questions is how does it happen,
Speaker 2: how's this treated? And what's the recovery period? With us
Speaker 2: is doctor at Sushi Endo? Uh, he's an orthopedic surgeon
Speaker 2: and Tuff's Medical Center. Doctor Endo, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Oh, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: So I think most of us understand that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of torque put on professional basketball players legs as
Speaker 2: they're as they're stopping and starting and going in directions,
Speaker 2: in different directions. I assume that's what what caused him
Speaker 2: to go down with this injury. We've all seen it.
Speaker 2: Break it down for us if you would, we can
Speaker 2: visualize it when you were watching or if you were
Speaker 2: if you watch the replay, how long did it take
Speaker 2: you to figure out that it was going to be
Speaker 2: an achilles problem that he'd have to deal with?
Speaker 3: Oh, so just by looking at the videos, sometimes it's difficult,
Speaker 3: you know, but usually the athletes, our patients tell you
Speaker 3: that where the pain is, and also they kind of
Speaker 3: describe how it happened. Then we can kind of tell
Speaker 3: what's going on, but just by looking at the video
Speaker 3: it's sometimes difficult, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, he was writhing in pain, and when I looked
Speaker 2: at it, I thought to myself, and I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 2: this is a serious injury. So it has now been
Speaker 2: diagnosed as an achilles. It is something that you would
Speaker 2: think that a twenty seven year old professional basketball player
Speaker 2: would have done all this stretching exercises. It was late
Speaker 2: in the game and all of that. What do they
Speaker 2: do to how do you treat this? I mean, this
Speaker 2: is a huge surgical procedure that he now has undergone.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the the procedure yourself. Is it a
Speaker 2: difficult surgery to to to actually complete? I assume as
Speaker 2: an orthopedic surgeon, you're much more familiar with this procedure
Speaker 2: than anyone in my audience.
Speaker 3: Sure, so, yes, you know the I kind of tendon,
Speaker 3: the rupture. It can be treated surgically or non surgically.
Speaker 3: But in terms of surgery, the surgery itself is relatively straightforward,
Speaker 3: meaning that basically the tendons are torn, so we repair
Speaker 3: often with the futures, so we open up the skin
Speaker 3: tend on his torn so we just repair, like you know,
Speaker 3: just so up and put it together. That's how the
Speaker 3: surgery goes. Usually takes like probably less than one hour.
Speaker 2: People who I know who have had achilles say that
Speaker 2: they had the sensation of an elastic snapping and the
Speaker 2: achilles sort of rolls up like an elastic up their legs.
Speaker 2: Is that a common thing that you've heard from patients.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 3: And the actual people often say that that they hear
Speaker 3: a snapping sound or feeling of snapping, and often they
Speaker 3: say that, you know, they feel like somebody was hitting
Speaker 3: from the behind of the calf, but actually nobody was there.
Speaker 3: That's how they often describe it.
Speaker 2: Is Is it because of the the amount of torque
Speaker 2: or the amount of pressure that is being put put
Speaker 2: on this it's it's it? Is it a tendon or
Speaker 2: a ligament or is it a bit of both? Uh?
Speaker 3: That's uh. Acquits tendon so not the ligaments and tendons.
Speaker 3: Is the largest tendon in the body, and that connects
Speaker 3: the calf muscle and the hue bone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when the surgery is done as quickly. Again,
Speaker 2: Tatum had this surgery done. I found out tonight in
Speaker 2: New York. He didn't originally said he was going to
Speaker 2: come back to Boston and have an MRI I done.
Speaker 2: The surgery was done immediately in New York by apparently
Speaker 2: very competent surgeon. What's the uh, the prognosis for a recovery?
Speaker 2: And again I know that he's not your patient, so
Speaker 2: you haven't seen the charts, but generally when someone has
Speaker 2: a an achilles tendon injury like this, uh, this is
Speaker 2: not a quick recovery as I understand it, certainly not
Speaker 2: a quick recovery for a guy to get back on
Speaker 2: a basketball court.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're truly right, So you know, I see more like
Speaker 3: you know the general population in my practice, and the
Speaker 3: recovery time is quite long, and the usually retweet with
Speaker 3: the specialized boot after surgery, and then you have to
Speaker 3: you have to wear that specialized boots for at least
Speaker 3: I would say two to three months. Then you start
Speaker 3: doing some rehab afterwards. So at the earliest, even in
Speaker 3: a recreational level, it takes at least I would say
Speaker 3: four to six months, but at the professional level it
Speaker 3: could be longer or depending on how they do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a typical recovery time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's a dumb question, but I get paid
Speaker 2: no put the ask of the dumb questions. Are you
Speaker 2: in that boot day and night twenty four to seven
Speaker 2: for a period of time or can you at least
Speaker 2: take the boot off to take a shower or to
Speaker 2: sleep in a bed without the boot? Tell us about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So in general, even so surgery versus no surgery, that
Speaker 3: treatment is similar. And this in my practice, I almost
Speaker 3: always use specialized boot and the initially, at least the
Speaker 3: first like six weeks or so, I recommend wearing the
Speaker 3: boot almost twenty four to seven and the only just
Speaker 3: to take it off only if really necessary. If that's
Speaker 3: the case, I recommend patients to keep the foot in
Speaker 3: a plant of flexed position, meaning that the foot is
Speaker 3: flexing down downward.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so this is a Is this a
Speaker 2: an injury? And I hate to even ask this question,
Speaker 2: but is this an injury that is more common amongst
Speaker 2: young people. I've had friends of mine. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to mention some of the people who you would know
Speaker 2: who have done this. Uh? Or is this something that
Speaker 2: is more common with people as they get older and
Speaker 2: their tendons become you know, more I guess tenuous would
Speaker 2: be yeah, sure, sure, yeah, that's fair. What what is
Speaker 2: what's what's the likelihood? Because everybody looks at that and
Speaker 2: they say, well, that can't be me because I'm not
Speaker 2: a professional basketball players. It's a it's a it's a
Speaker 2: an incident accident that that occurs, not just a professional
Speaker 2: basketball players.
Speaker 3: Pretty right, So of course, and I see more I
Speaker 3: you know, uh general population that it's was the very
Speaker 3: common injuries and the uh it's a more common with
Speaker 3: a sudden motion involving activities such as basketball or maybe football, soccer,
Speaker 3: and the age wise more common for middle age like
Speaker 3: thirties or forties, so they are actively enough, but not
Speaker 3: like the tissues are not that young and healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, So what you're suggesting is that for
Speaker 2: the average person who is living life and has put
Speaker 2: the basketballs and the soccer balls and the footballs away
Speaker 2: and they're not out trying to relive the glories of
Speaker 2: their youth, they're less likely to suffer this if they're
Speaker 2: not out you know, on the field, so playing every
Speaker 2: weekend on the court, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: So well, well, yeah, well I don't want to quit.
Speaker 3: You know that those are the fund activities, but yeah,
Speaker 3: just more common, definitely more common for weekend warriors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair, but there are things that
Speaker 2: you can do. Look, I really do appreciate it. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting with you. I am always amazed what those
Speaker 2: of you who are in the orthopedic field are able
Speaker 2: to do. You literally reconstruct people. So I just want
Speaker 2: to say thank you for joining us tonight, doctor Endel,
Speaker 2: but also thank you for doing what you and your
Speaker 2: colleagues do. I have several friends of mine in the
Speaker 2: orthopedic surgical field, and I'm amazed at what you folks
Speaker 2: are able to do to bring people back to their
Speaker 2: old self. Let me put it like that. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you for a kind war that. I
Speaker 3: appreciate that, and thank you for having me here.
Speaker 6: Enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Doctor Atsushi, Endo, orthopedic surgeon at
Speaker 2: the Toughs Medical Center. All Right, we're going to be
Speaker 2: back right after this quick break for a couple of
Speaker 2: commercial messages, and I might end up previewing what we're
Speaker 2: going to be talking about tonight. So we have a
Speaker 2: fourth guest who is amongst the miss put all said,
Speaker 2: we have the fourth guest. Now I'm told the fourth
Speaker 2: guest is set, so I won't have to vamp. We'll
Speaker 2: be back with a fourth guest right after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm delighted. Welcome David Hamilton, who's the author of
Speaker 2: a book entitled The Enigmatic Aviator. Charles Lindbergh revisited the
Speaker 2: ninety eighth anniversary of the flight of the Spirit of
Speaker 2: Saint Louis will be fast upon us, Doctor Hamilton. You're required.
Speaker 2: You're a retired kidney surgeon, so the appellation doctor Hamilton
Speaker 2: is appropriate. You're an award winning historian in both medicine,
Speaker 2: says Golf. I don't know if you're an award winning
Speaker 2: historian Golf, but welcome. How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm okay, I'm okay. It's a bad dye, it's a
Speaker 6: we'll do her best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we will. I'm a little confused as
Speaker 2: to why your company acts to be on. We could
Speaker 2: have waited until you were back in the States, minderstanding
Speaker 2: as you're in Scotland tonight, correct. Indeed, is that where
Speaker 2: you live or are you over there on a visit?
Speaker 6: No, I live here, I live here, you live there?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, these lines are tough. Let's try to
Speaker 2: got through it here. So you have done a history
Speaker 2: of Charles Lindbergh, and Lindbergh has been a considered many times.
Speaker 2: Many people like sort of a controversial character who dominated
Speaker 2: aviation breakthroughs in the early to mid twentieth century. Some
Speaker 2: suggested that he was a little bit more than an
Speaker 2: American isolationist. He was that, but you have basically said,
Speaker 2: maybe he's given a bad rap with some of the
Speaker 2: reputation that have been attached to him. Tell us about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, he actually had a super reputation, good biographies.
Speaker 6: He was a friend of the White House, invited to
Speaker 6: everything until Philip Roth wrote the novel historical novel The
Speaker 6: Plot Against America in two thousand and four, and unfortunately,
Speaker 6: everybody has seemed to believe what was in the novel.
Speaker 6: Even the HBO had a mini series on it as
Speaker 6: if it was a documentary. So the idea that he
Speaker 6: was a Nazi anti Samite is quite recent and I'm
Speaker 6: doing my best to untangle that untangle that don.
Speaker 2: What called you were summons? You did this cause Lindbergh
Speaker 2: died in nineteen seventy four, so he's been gone now
Speaker 2: for just I guess fifty one years. He was someone
Speaker 2: whose child was kidnapped. His family after he became famous,
Speaker 2: was the victim of I guess at that point, the
Speaker 2: world's most well known kidnapping. What prompted what prompted you
Speaker 2: to in effect try to revive his reputation?
Speaker 6: Funnily enough, Dan, in my field, I was a transplant
Speaker 6: surgeon in Scotland, and they transplant surgeons we all knew
Speaker 6: about lindberghen and revered them because he had invented He
Speaker 6: invented a device to keep organs alive. So that's why
Speaker 6: I got into it, from here in Scotland and from medicine.
Speaker 6: And I started studying his huge archive at Yale, and
Speaker 6: I found a lot more interesting stuff on his scientific contributions.
Speaker 6: And then I realized he'd been given a hard time recently,
Speaker 6: and I wanted to unscramble it. The the reason that
Speaker 6: Ruth could bad mouth them in the in the novel
Speaker 6: was that Lindbergh took on President Roosevelt at the beginning
Speaker 6: of the Second World War, Roosevelt wanted to.
Speaker 2: Get in and.
Speaker 5: Lindbergh led the movement to.
Speaker 6: Keep out of the of the European War at least
Speaker 6: not send any any troops. Of course, that all that
Speaker 6: all finished with Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 2: The debate was over.
Speaker 6: Although America was split down the middle, Pearl Harbor just finished.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was was Lindbergh ethnically German American?
Speaker 6: Sorry I missed that, then?
Speaker 2: Was was Jarles Lindbergh from an ethnic point of view?
Speaker 2: German American?
Speaker 6: Nothing to do with Germany, nor certainly one than that sage.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'd said that. I'm just wondering what
Speaker 2: his ethnic derivation when his four bears came where his
Speaker 2: four bears came from? That contribute? Did that contribute inadvertently
Speaker 2: to the reputation or unfairly to the reputation? Is what
Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
Speaker 6: There were Swedish? Okay, Swedish grandfather.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Okay, that's that's helpful. Did Lindbergh After
Speaker 2: World War Two? Lindbergh sort of disappeared? I think, if
Speaker 2: my memory is correct. What was he doing from the
Speaker 2: time the war ended and Roosevelt's presidency ended. What did
Speaker 2: he do in the fifties and sixties up until his
Speaker 2: death in seventy four. How did he live out his
Speaker 2: life after the great heroic feats of the the first
Speaker 2: you know, cross Atlantic flow ight and having you know,
Speaker 2: survived the loss of a child. How did the rest
Speaker 2: of the latter half of his life go quietly or
Speaker 2: did he stay in the public eye.
Speaker 6: As you say, Dan. After Roosevelt died, then Lindberg. Everybody
Speaker 6: welcomed Lindberg back into their lives and back into the
Speaker 6: Air Force, into secret work. He was involved in the
Speaker 6: sec the special air going of the atomic bombers. This
Speaker 6: was all of course secret stuff. So when I was
Speaker 6: in his archive, I could see that he was involved
Speaker 6: at the high level in the various committees, even planning
Speaker 6: the atomic warfare right through to Polaris. But he had
Speaker 6: to destroy all the minutes and stuff that came through,
Speaker 6: so you only get hints what he was up to.
Speaker 5: But he was in there at the highest level.
Speaker 6: Advising the Air Force in particular. It was even it
Speaker 6: was even considered for the for the cabinet position in
Speaker 6: the early nineteen fifties. He was considered for that he
Speaker 6: was so highly regarded, but it was secret, and hence
Speaker 6: it's been very badly described. But there it was in
Speaker 6: in his archives, so.
Speaker 2: He So that would have been once Eisenhower became president.
Speaker 2: I assume if it was the early fifties, either the
Speaker 2: end of Truman's time in office or Eisenhower.
Speaker 6: Eisenhower thought a lot about him, restored his rank he
Speaker 6: had pretty well. It was taken away from him pretty
Speaker 6: well by Roosevelt, and I gave him back. Kennedy thought
Speaker 6: a lot of him. Reagan thought a lot of them
Speaker 6: as well, even even afterwards.
Speaker 2: Interesting, doctor Hamilton, I appreciate you time. I'm glad that
Speaker 2: we finally got you. The book is the Enigmatic Aviator
Speaker 2: Charles Lindbergh revisited. The book is now out. I assume
Speaker 2: it's available in Amazon, and I'm sure it's going to
Speaker 2: be a great success.
Speaker 6: Good good, Thanks very much, Dan, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Thanks for staying up late. I'm assuming it's already probably
Speaker 2: closer to one o'clock, maybe even two am in Scotland
Speaker 2: at this hour. It is off to bed now, all right,
Speaker 2: Good night, doctor David Hamilton. Thank you for being for
Speaker 2: finally getting in touch with US. Tonight we get back.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that tragedy in Boston on
Speaker 2: April twenty eighth, little five year old boy gets off
Speaker 2: a school bus and seconds later is dead. That story
Speaker 2: has kind of gone away, and I'd like to get
Speaker 2: it back up on everyone's radar screen. We'll be back
Speaker 2: on Night's side right after the nine o'clock news