Speaker 1: It's oh they piggy. Now, we got reels to get
Speaker 1: to our good friend Tristana, always dropping them crazy reels, right,
Speaker 1: the great Bigot of the Internet, the secret King Bigot
Speaker 1: of the Internet, Tristana. We've got so many reels I
Speaker 1: want to get to even get to these dudes people
Speaker 1: hipping me to these bad boys right here on the
Speaker 1: Light Working team. There's too much stuff to make fun of. Dude,
Speaker 1: I don't know where to start the light Lords. I
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Speaker 1: Do y'all want to see some of the the crazy reels?
Speaker 1: Or do y'all want to get into my philosophy ruminations
Speaker 1: about the back rooms? Tonight? What's what is on your mind?
Speaker 1: We've also got this awesome stuff, right, we got VHS
Speaker 1: movies to watch. What do y'all want to talk about first? Tonight?
Speaker 1: Do y'all want to get into Light Workers VHS movies?
Speaker 1: My back room's philosophy, some of the liminal space. Son,
Speaker 1: do y'all want to get into uh light working channeling?
Speaker 1: Raw y'all want a chakra Max? Y'all know O show
Speaker 1: can get up in that chockra Do y'all want to
Speaker 1: talk about David Wood? What y'all want to talk about?
Speaker 1: Everybody want to talk about back rooms? A lot of
Speaker 1: y'all gay is hell talking about the back door because
Speaker 1: of my scandal video you just watch right, that's that's
Speaker 1: within the alien sphere, that's adjacent to aliens, faking aliens.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants talk about the back rooms. All right? Look,
Speaker 1: I wrote some notes because I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: I watched some good videos and I've been thinking that
Speaker 1: about this for a while. What is up with the
Speaker 1: back rooms? Right now? We got this movie coming out,
Speaker 1: which I'm actually excited about. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really good movie. And I am impressed with Caine
Speaker 1: and his skills. Caine Parsons, your boy, Caine Parsons. Listen,
Speaker 1: you got Billy Corson and you got Caane Parson, Caine Parson,
Speaker 1: Billy Corson. Okay, that's how I feel. This trailer was awesome.
Speaker 1: I have to say, and I mean even watching Caine
Speaker 1: Parson's clips and videos, I was super impressed. I was like,
Speaker 1: this dude is skilled. Do got a skill set? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so I'll show you real quick. Yeh,
Speaker 1: something's wrong with the wall. Right, he's doing a late
Speaker 1: night clean up. He looks over there and there's a
Speaker 1: hole in the wall, and uh, don't don't get upset.
Speaker 1: This black man works there. He's not there illegally, he's
Speaker 1: a he's an employee. I know what you racist people
Speaker 1: already thinking, what is this black man doing on the
Speaker 1: security is he on the security camps? He gets in
Speaker 1: there and he finds a hole in the wall and
Speaker 1: then he walks through it and lo and behold, it's
Speaker 1: the back room. It's the liminal space. Son, what's the
Speaker 1: liminal space? The liminal space evolved out of creepy pastas
Speaker 1: and this idea on four chan read at this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, that there were spaces that you could no
Speaker 1: clip into, you could glitch out of reality into some
Speaker 1: alternate infinite hell world, a sort of labyrinth, right of
Speaker 1: the corporate nihilistic empty space between worlds or between realities.
Speaker 1: The liminal space is from a Latin word that has
Speaker 1: to do with threshold, so an in between. I think
Speaker 1: also simultaneously with that kind of its own Internet lore
Speaker 1: taken on a life of its own, you also had
Speaker 1: other films and popular books and things that popularize the
Speaker 1: liminal space, right, Stranger Things or Stranger's Thing, if you
Speaker 1: watched the last season, and that popularized the upside down. Right,
Speaker 1: this other world, this other dimension, this other reality that
Speaker 1: is the negative space. It is a you know, perhaps
Speaker 1: a purgatorial sort of idea. There's a lot of parallels, right,
Speaker 1: And I also think it resonates with everyone because well,
Speaker 1: I've got a whole list of reasons of my thoughts
Speaker 1: on it. It also resonates because of the emptiness of
Speaker 1: the corporate world, the cold, calculated corporate world, and it's nihilistic,
Speaker 1: abandoned and the meaninglessness of a corporate lifestyle to attain
Speaker 1: corporate products that ultimately go out of style within five
Speaker 1: to ten years anyway. So it's a sort of meaningless
Speaker 1: oral buros eating its own meaningless tale. And then the
Speaker 1: idea becomes, what if you entered that space of something
Speaker 1: like a stock footage video. What if you went into
Speaker 1: the world where stock footage was reality, but not stock
Speaker 1: footage of today, not a present day reality, but for
Speaker 1: some reason, always connected to always grasping back to the
Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties. For some reason, everyone felt that
Speaker 1: the lore of the back rooms in the liminal space
Speaker 1: was necessarily connected to the eighties and nineties. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Here are my theories, This is my thoughts. It is
Speaker 1: resonating with people because we are at a threshold of
Speaker 1: generations where people like myself on the cusp of Gen
Speaker 1: X and millennial. As a zennial, I remember the world
Speaker 1: prior to Internet. Okay, prior to internet everywhere. The generations
Speaker 1: under me do not know that world, and that world
Speaker 1: was still essentially primarily human. I met tech was obviously
Speaker 1: beginning to invade our life with vhs, CDs, DVDs, et cetera.
Speaker 1: MP three began to be popular in the late nineties
Speaker 1: early two thousands, but your day to day did not
Speaker 1: include significant amounts of Internet at all unless you have
Speaker 1: some lame ass dialogue and then you could wait twenty
Speaker 1: minutes for a low resolution picture to load up right. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you didn't spend a whole lot of time on the
Speaker 1: Internet until the early two thousands. Right, So we are
Speaker 1: remembering there is still in the collective unconscious this memory
Speaker 1: of a time when there was a human realm. Even
Speaker 1: at work, the corporate work part of your life, there
Speaker 1: was still this human element to where you had a
Speaker 1: limited time there. You went to a physical location, you
Speaker 1: had your own office, you had your own desk, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: even when you got started having cubicles, right, you still
Speaker 1: had your own space. You decorated it the way you wanted,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And even office space changed with the times
Speaker 1: to where you didn't have your own office. Everyone worked
Speaker 1: in an open space in the cubicles, and then the
Speaker 1: cubicles went away and you went into having open spaces,
Speaker 1: and then you have shared desks that you do like
Speaker 1: at Verizon or whatever. Right, So you've seen less and
Speaker 1: less individualism even within the workspace. It's all been homogenized
Speaker 1: and corporatized and made linear and made flat. And because
Speaker 1: the back rooms are a labyrinth that has no resolution,
Speaker 1: that immediately expresses the nihilism of the modern corporate mindset
Speaker 1: in corporate world. But it's frozen in the eighties and
Speaker 1: the nineties because that was the period when there's the
Speaker 1: last remembrances of it being still human. Right, So you
Speaker 1: have people's desks, people's property, their own expressions now completely erased,
Speaker 1: and in the back rooms there's no people. So a
Speaker 1: human being is actually out of place in the corporate
Speaker 1: world or in this corporate dystopian hell dimension because it's
Speaker 1: anti human. The corporate world had as it's underlying engine
Speaker 1: and ethos and anti human idea the entire time, because
Speaker 1: the logic of it was everything is quantified, everything is quantifiable.
Speaker 1: It's inherently nihilistic and anti natalists and anti human, so
Speaker 1: it must, of its own logic, eventually eliminate all of
Speaker 1: the human and all of the particular and all of
Speaker 1: the individual to eventually just propagate itself as negating any
Speaker 1: of the commodities that it produced. And so the corporate
Speaker 1: space exists eventually to only perpetuate an anti human, non
Speaker 1: human corporate space with no objects or no products. Why
Speaker 1: because the ultimate goal of the monopoly attitude is actually
Speaker 1: to destroy all competition and thus the products that it sells.
Speaker 1: Even after it's gotten rid of the humans, the products
Speaker 1: are no longer necessary. And other was products were an end.
Speaker 1: What it means to an end? It was never about
Speaker 1: creating a better product. It was about creating the end
Speaker 1: of humanity. Thus, we look back on the threshold of
Speaker 1: a time to a time when it was still human.
Speaker 1: We look back to the liminal spaces of the shopping mall. Right,
Speaker 1: perhaps shopping mall back rooms and liminal spaces are even
Speaker 1: more telling in this regard. Right. I also have some
Speaker 1: theories to as to why this has become so popular online.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Internet is itself the liminal space
Speaker 1: as well. I'll show you what I mean here with
Speaker 1: a couple of examples of this dead malls. Right. The
Speaker 1: dead mall, as we like to call it, is an eerie,
Speaker 1: corporate liminal space with its own esthetic and vibe that
Speaker 1: now has no people and has no product and becomes
Speaker 1: this sort of ideological museum to a forgotten time and
Speaker 1: a forgotten way of being that we can remember, but
Speaker 1: also we can't remember because when you look at it
Speaker 1: without any people, and the purpose of the shopping mall
Speaker 1: was to sell the products, right, So to see it
Speaker 1: without humans and without products, it almost seems like a
Speaker 1: dystopian healthscape, where what if the purpose of all this
Speaker 1: and its purpose less ness was actually to produce a
Speaker 1: kind of purposelessness in the humans themselves. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that every mall owner, and I'm not trying to make
Speaker 1: some Marxist socialist critique or something like That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or I'm not a Marxist or a socialist.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying when you have a materialist capitalist society,
Speaker 1: and the same goes for Sovietism too, because they're both
Speaker 1: materialists atheistic presuppositions. If you have a monopoly capitalistic societies,
Speaker 1: presupposition by the attainment of meaningless corporate goods that also
Speaker 1: become meaningless within a few years because they're no longer
Speaker 1: trendy and they're not actually made to last, they're actually
Speaker 1: made to through planned obso lessons go away. It speaks
Speaker 1: to the emptiness of the cycle. Right. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: im think I've seen all of Kine Caine's videos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Day of the Dead and Chopping Mall. Although
Speaker 1: they're goofy b movies, they actually have some of these
Speaker 1: deeper philosophic themes in them. And we did a whole
Speaker 1: analysis of Chopping Mall. If you didn't ever watch that
Speaker 1: back in the in the old days, we actually hit
Speaker 1: on some of that back when we did Chopping Mall,
Speaker 1: because if you don't remember, the villain in Chopping Mall
Speaker 1: is like a Robbie the Robot version. It's like a terminator,
Speaker 1: but it's like a B movie version a terminator, so
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, here we go. See now. I hate
Speaker 1: it when it doesn't come up because we did a
Speaker 1: whole stream on it. Anyway, I can't think of the
Speaker 1: name of our stream, but yes, we did. We did
Speaker 1: do Chopping Mall. I have to find it later. But so,
Speaker 1: the liminal space speaks to all of these realities, and
Speaker 1: some philosophers have called it. I watched the guy's video
Speaker 1: on this that was pretty good. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: link to that video in a second, where it's just
Speaker 1: a guy who does sort of philosophical ruminations on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and I have disagreements with some of his assessments. He
Speaker 1: comes off as kind of an existentialist, sort of agnostic
Speaker 1: sort of character, but I did like some of his
Speaker 1: takes on the liminal space in the mall, and he
Speaker 1: noted that it's almost like as some philosophers are calling it,
Speaker 1: a existential How did he put it? He said, it's
Speaker 1: industrial Gothic or corporate Gothic, So you know, go back
Speaker 1: to Gothic literature in the UK and then in Victorian era,
Speaker 1: and then we have in the US Southern Gothic with
Speaker 1: people like you know, Flannery O'Connor and whatnot, and Cormack
Speaker 1: McCarthy as well. But with the liminal Space, you have
Speaker 1: a modernized version of corporate industrial Gothic where the great
Speaker 1: horror is the meaninglessness of what was so meaningful apparently
Speaker 1: at the time, right in the nineteen eighties and in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. And the mall ones are really interesting.
Speaker 1: And again remember Stranger Things also, I think played a
Speaker 1: huge role in this because what was the season three,
Speaker 1: The whole season was about the mall, right, the Dead
Speaker 1: Mall being this sort of portal to the in between,
Speaker 1: to the hell world, and so it becomes its own esthetic,
Speaker 1: its own vibe. And this is Caine's channel, who originally
Speaker 1: sort of popularized a lot of these and his videos,
Speaker 1: his you know, film school stuff was so good and
Speaker 1: it became such a viral sensation over the last several
Speaker 1: years that they actually made him the director. So I
Speaker 1: think he's going to do well. I'm expecting it to
Speaker 1: be really cool. But if you go back to his
Speaker 1: older videos, and I think I've watched most of these
Speaker 1: when he was doing film school stuff, he did one here.
Speaker 1: This was the original back Rooms that's had like eighty
Speaker 1: million views, which is crazy. And it was a genius idea,
Speaker 1: right to just kind of play around with looking into
Speaker 1: abandoned buildings or abandoned cargo stuff, and then you walk
Speaker 1: in and you find another reality, another dimension. And then
Speaker 1: people started getting more and more philosophical with it, and
Speaker 1: he was filming it with this sort of old school
Speaker 1: VHS look. But also people helped contribute to the lore.
Speaker 1: Right you had Reddit people, creepypasta people telling their own
Speaker 1: versions of the back rooms, and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you had TV shows that came out probably also influenced
Speaker 1: by this, even though I know this was from a book,
Speaker 1: but Severance, everybody said, what about Severance, Severance, Severance. I've
Speaker 1: been meaning to get to Severance for so long, But
Speaker 1: the reason that I haven't got to it is because
Speaker 1: I think there's so many other things that it ties
Speaker 1: in with, like the back rooms of the liminal space,
Speaker 1: that it makes sense to kind of talk about them altogether.
Speaker 1: Because in Severance, the premise is that you have an
Speaker 1: intentional process that you can go through where they split
Speaker 1: your consciousness so that you are mpdd ID to have
Speaker 1: in any in and outy any being the person that
Speaker 1: is at the work world, and they have their own
Speaker 1: life in the work world, and they are split so
Speaker 1: that they don't know the life of the person outside
Speaker 1: of work. So it's actual like split, you know, multiple
Speaker 1: personality disorder, but it's engineered by a mega corporation that
Speaker 1: does it to benefit supposedly the workers and to help
Speaker 1: production and all this kind of stuff. And I've seen
Speaker 1: season one. I thought it was really good, and I'm
Speaker 1: about halfway through season two and it's it's interesting, But
Speaker 1: it also I think speaks to probably unknowingly the elements
Speaker 1: of the actual mkulture projects and how they were studied
Speaker 1: and by how they were perfected by entities actually working
Speaker 1: for corporate structure, corporate interests. In other words, the Tavistock Institute,
Speaker 1: which was the first to really study mpdd ID through
Speaker 1: studying shell shock and then got all this money put
Speaker 1: into it through the Rockefellers. They brought in Carl Jung,
Speaker 1: brought in all kinds of people over the years to
Speaker 1: study and perfect social engineering and human control. That's ultimately
Speaker 1: what Tavistok is about, and what began as World War
Speaker 1: One wartime psychological operations actually turned into an entire global
Speaker 1: institute connected to MK Ultra intent on engineering the human
Speaker 1: mind to be obedient and to be involved in groupthink.
Speaker 1: So they really pioneered and mastered groupthink. And they did
Speaker 1: it they were contracted out by not just the CAA,
Speaker 1: not just the US government of the Pentagon, but the
Speaker 1: Fortune one hundred, Fortune five hundred. So, for example, when
Speaker 1: you see people like Peter Drucker who comes up with
Speaker 1: the business church model of Ruslan and all these other
Speaker 1: people from Rick Warren to Rick Warren to Rouselan business
Speaker 1: church model is this. It is Tavistock social engineering groupthink
Speaker 1: models of how to streamline the business side of the
Speaker 1: church to make it more efficient, Taylorism, et cetera. All
Speaker 1: the above, right, But to get back to the back
Speaker 1: rooms and to Severance, which because I haven't finished season two,
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know where Severance is going to go.
Speaker 1: But it is also consciously alluding to the corporate k
Speaker 1: culture elements within the show and in the course that
Speaker 1: you can imagine in the story. It's a question of, well,
Speaker 1: do we really want to be divided against ourselves? Which
Speaker 1: is probably a kind of a Marxist line of augmentation,
Speaker 1: because Marx's whole theory of alienation includes the idea that
Speaker 1: you're divided against yourself and against your product and against
Speaker 1: nature through the corporate world. I'm not a Marxist, but
Speaker 1: I do think at times Carl Marx said some things
Speaker 1: that were correct, and I do think that at times
Speaker 1: if you commodify everything, that would be the natural result, right,
Speaker 1: you would have man divided not just against other men,
Speaker 1: but also alienated from the work that he produces from
Speaker 1: his hands and also from nature.
Speaker 2: Us.
Speaker 1: You'll notice in the back rooms, the healthscape, the hell
Speaker 1: world of the back rooms, there's never anything typically nature related.
Speaker 1: There might here there be a plastic palm tree or
Speaker 1: a plastic tree, but usually it's there's not. Usually there's
Speaker 1: just variations on the corporate scape, and that corporate healthscape
Speaker 1: or the patterned versions of the way that they do
Speaker 1: hotels now, which are becoming more and more if you
Speaker 1: haven't noticed, like hospitals, and the same with and I
Speaker 1: know this because we've traveled a whole lot in the
Speaker 1: last five years, and we've stayed everywhere coast to coast
Speaker 1: countless times. Hotels are they don't have any flavor to them, right,
Speaker 1: the corporate ones, they all become a kind of representation
Speaker 1: of the exact same thing that you've get in a hotel,
Speaker 1: in a hospital, and in a hospice, in an all
Speaker 1: folks home, and then also perhaps in a bank. And
Speaker 1: that's why you, guys, we've all noticed this with McDonald's too, Right,
Speaker 1: Suddenly all of the corporate businesses out there are gray.
Speaker 1: McDonald's is gray. Tons of fast food restaurants they all
Speaker 1: have the same gray look. We went by a Barnes
Speaker 1: and Noble, the other bookstores, it looked no different than
Speaker 1: a McDonald's with corporate Soviet gray. Isn't that interesting that
Speaker 1: what was Soviet brutalist architecture supposedly the opposite of capitalism, right,
Speaker 1: the opposite of capitalism. Let's look up Soviet brutalist architecture,
Speaker 1: and it's like all giant concrete, you know, it looks
Speaker 1: like nuclear concrete, the you know, bomb refuge type stuff
Speaker 1: like Turnobyl. Is no different than the freaking hotel, right,
Speaker 1: Like this, what was supposed to be a you know,
Speaker 1: chernobyl structure is basically the same thing as the hotel
Speaker 1: Soviet brutal brutalism in terms of architecture. Right, everything is gray,
Speaker 1: everything is ugly, and there's a reason for that because
Speaker 1: it expresses the philosophy of everything being streamlined and homogenized.
Speaker 1: Because anything that's not streamlined for efficiency is purposeless. So
Speaker 1: to have decor to have you know, neoclassical baroque styles,
Speaker 1: that would be a waste of money. It's inefficient. So
Speaker 1: you notice that corporate megastructure, monopoly capitalism's ethos is exactly
Speaker 1: the same as the Soviet brutalist ethos. Isn't the fast
Speaker 1: and if you watch, I mean look, that was like
Speaker 1: a damn death star or some shit, just hideous. Right,
Speaker 1: it's brutalist, it's dystopian. Now let's look at what does
Speaker 1: every McDonald's look like. Now, this the same thing, a
Speaker 1: giant concrete block where you get your soy slopol soyslap,
Speaker 1: just hideous, colorless, worthless looking slop out of a giant
Speaker 1: concrete block. Come to the dystopian concrete block where all
Speaker 1: of the bipoc persons will serve you your slop. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this is what boomers think you should
Speaker 1: go die for in other countries, So go die for
Speaker 1: Israel in the Middle East to get this, to make
Speaker 1: sure that we can put a McDonald's on every corner
Speaker 1: of Tehran. I don't know, maybe Teyran already has McDonald's.
Speaker 1: But you see that this end goal of the corporate
Speaker 1: sphere is indistinguishable from the Soviet brutalist atheist because they're
Speaker 1: all nihilistic, they're all atheistic in their vibe, in their ethos,
Speaker 1: and the black rooms are basically expressing the same type
Speaker 1: of critique. Also, I think that if you remember vapor wave,
Speaker 1: right synth wave as synth it became popular, you know,
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago, synth wave is expressing an innate
Speaker 1: dystopian idea within it because a lot of the art,
Speaker 1: a lot of the vibe of the synth wave was
Speaker 1: dystopian in the nineteen eighties and nineties were hosts of
Speaker 1: dystopian films, so they kind of became attached. They're adjacent
Speaker 1: to the milieu, the ethos of the nineteen eighties, of
Speaker 1: its zeitgeist, and then it's only natural that what develops
Speaker 1: out of synth wave as a kind of first phase
Speaker 1: critique of corporate nihilism would develop Vaporwave right. And vapor
Speaker 1: Wave gave us a critique of mall music right, corporate
Speaker 1: meaningless overproduced muzak. If you don't know because you're young
Speaker 1: or something, in the nineteen eighties and nineties, when you
Speaker 1: go to the mall or when you're an elevator, they
Speaker 1: would have these specific types of stations or boxes called
Speaker 1: muzak zak right, And it was the corporate way to
Speaker 1: have all of your favorite songs in a non copyrighted way.
Speaker 1: So it was like elevator music, and you might hear
Speaker 1: Kenny G, but it's the muzak version of Kenny G.
Speaker 1: So it's not the actual song. It's a voiceless, corporate
Speaker 1: version of an actual pop song. Now, musak existed earlier
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies, but I'm saying by the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties muzak was doing you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You would hear Go West, but it would be the
Speaker 1: muzak version of Go West, right, So sounds for the supermarket, right.
Speaker 1: And so vapor wave was a layer of parodying all
Speaker 1: of this by turning it into a critique of itself.
Speaker 1: Right and probably everybody's heard of the Macintosh plus, right,
Speaker 1: this was probably the biggest hit from this era of
Speaker 1: vapor wave, critiquing this type of nihilistic, meaningless s mall
Speaker 1: culture or corporate culture. And if you grew up in
Speaker 1: the eighties, you resonated with this very well, right, It
Speaker 1: hits you somehow, there's something about it that makes sense
Speaker 1: because you're reminiscing and remembering a time when it was
Speaker 1: a very different world. So again, liminal space is hitting
Speaker 1: everybody so hard, not just because of nostalgia, but because
Speaker 1: we are on a threshold of moving into a world
Speaker 1: where the dystopia is actually rolling out. All of those eighties,
Speaker 1: these movies, all of those dystopian films and stories and
Speaker 1: novels and comic books, there was within the zeitgeist a
Speaker 1: prophetic sense that this is coming, that this will arrive. Now,
Speaker 1: you could say maybe there was an actual prophetic gift
Speaker 1: that art usually has oftentimes has We've talked about them
Speaker 1: many times, or perhaps it was seated propaganda and some
Speaker 1: of the blockbusters and productions. Who knows what the real
Speaker 1: total explanation was. But we are resonating with it, not
Speaker 1: just because of nostalgia, not just because of the past.
Speaker 1: But this is something that I've heard no one else say,
Speaker 1: And this is my thought. What if what if the controllers,
Speaker 1: the social engineers, the technocrats, what if they've realized that
Speaker 1: to really destroy the peoples and the people groups, to
Speaker 1: corral them into the tech skynet dystopia. What if the
Speaker 1: best thing to destroy. Obviously I'm saying this includes God,
Speaker 1: the exists of God, all that stuff. Sure, and yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to destroy the nuclear family. Hey, I get it,
Speaker 1: I know all that, but nobody has talked about what
Speaker 1: about destroying the past? What about wiping out and destroying
Speaker 1: the idea of the past. To have the dystopia, to
Speaker 1: have it successful, you must also wipe away any rootedness
Speaker 1: or groundedness of the past. And I don't just mean, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the global elites go into a city, a place they
Speaker 1: bomb in the Middle East, they wipe out the past
Speaker 1: and they set up you know, the McDonald's dystopia. I
Speaker 1: know that, But what about on an individual level. On
Speaker 1: an individual level, say a person who goes tr A
Speaker 1: and Z. A person who goes tr A and Z
Speaker 1: say they're you know, hitting the era of puberty or
Speaker 1: God forbid, even before. What is part of that ideology.
Speaker 1: Part of that ideology is there was no past. You
Speaker 1: were not actually born a man or a woman, you
Speaker 1: didn't actually have the upbringing that you had. You can
Speaker 1: erase all of that and immediately create a new identity
Speaker 1: for the here and the now. So the presupposition of
Speaker 1: all of the dystopia has to be a Maoist idea
Speaker 1: of erasing all the past. And this is something that
Speaker 1: they got from the Communists and the Maoists and the Marxists.
Speaker 1: You must destroy the past. It must all come down.
Speaker 1: It is like the Giver. Yeah, all of the dystopian
Speaker 1: stories all so do you usually have some We've hidden
Speaker 1: the past, right, which is a version of destroying the past.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, whether it's the back rooms and
Speaker 1: the idea that, oh you don't need books anymore, just
Speaker 1: watch the YouTube videos. Oh you don't need to watch
Speaker 1: YouTube video, just watch the shorts and the TikTok brain rot.
Speaker 1: What is all of that about. It's all about squeezing
Speaker 1: the time frame smaller and smaller so that there's no past.
Speaker 1: In other words, within a video, you're not even remembering
Speaker 1: what you saw twenty minutes earlier. In the video, you're
Speaker 1: only remembering a sixty minute clip, and you perhaps you
Speaker 1: even forgot what the sixty minute clip was saying, or
Speaker 1: sixty second clip what it was saying in the first
Speaker 1: few seconds. So the squeezing of the time scale smaller
Speaker 1: and smaller is also concurrent with nobody has a pass.
Speaker 1: The pass is being squeezed into the right now, just
Speaker 1: the now. The entire tech world and all of this
Speaker 1: is built on immediacy, efficiency and immediacy. Why read a
Speaker 1: book when you could ask the AI to summarize it
Speaker 1: and give you a one sentence a five sentence summary.
Speaker 1: Why do anything that isn't efficient? Why write a letter?
Speaker 1: You have an email. I'm not saying the tech itself
Speaker 1: is the problem. The problem is the more that everyone
Speaker 1: gets addicted to the ease and the immediacy, then the
Speaker 1: more that they begin to operate like an algorithm as
Speaker 1: human beings, refining everything down to what's efficient what's not efficient.
Speaker 1: That I think is something that I've not heard anyone
Speaker 1: talk about in terms of and I know it's malis
Speaker 1: saying that there's not Other people have talked about wiping
Speaker 1: away the past, but I'm saying it's not just wiping
Speaker 1: away the past from a culture or a person. It's
Speaker 1: wiping away the past for individuals, your own past, and
Speaker 1: there is no future. So we talk about, for example,
Speaker 1: God being an eternal present, right, There's no past or
Speaker 1: future with God, There's only the eternal. Now, this is
Speaker 1: like a synthetic tech version of God giving you a godmind,
Speaker 1: a fake mimicked, faking gay godmind, where you believe that
Speaker 1: you're like the deity that only lives in the immediate present.
Speaker 1: And they have studied the communist dictators and their strategies
Speaker 1: for wiping away the past in the physical world. But
Speaker 1: what if they're wiping away the past from everybody in
Speaker 1: the mental world and in their own family world. Because families,
Speaker 1: for example, they have a story, they have a past,
Speaker 1: have a present, and a future goals that they have
Speaker 1: as a family. A nation has a past, a present,
Speaker 1: and future goals as a nation state. But if everyone
Speaker 1: lives online in the virtual, and the virtual denigrates the
Speaker 1: past and tries to erase it and wipe it away
Speaker 1: and to make everyone only focused on the immediate through
Speaker 1: the dopamine addictions of the scrolling, then what happens is
Speaker 1: everyone has a false godlike status of only living in
Speaker 1: the present. Right, And as the back room story progressed,
Speaker 1: as Caine made his videos, he started bringing in these
Speaker 1: hooded sort of science dudes, right, because that's exactly what
Speaker 1: happened in today's world. If there was some portal to
Speaker 1: another world or something like this discovered, why immediately the
Speaker 1: science men would come to try to explain it, and
Speaker 1: they would do their tests, and they would begin to
Speaker 1: investigate the you know, early layers of the back rooms
Speaker 1: and where they go, which is to say they go nowhere.
Speaker 1: They lead to loops of meaninglessness. In fact, the back
Speaker 1: rooms like a labyrinth or like the you know THESEUS
Speaker 1: minotaur story, they actually change. They're not logical, they are illogical,
Speaker 1: and they're more like prisons that trap you in a
Speaker 1: sort of nihilistic meaninglessness, perhaps expressing the way everyone feels
Speaker 1: that they're trapped in a nihilistic meaninglessness today. And he
Speaker 1: really kept building on the architecture of the original idea
Speaker 1: by people finding other doorways into the back rooms. Right.
Speaker 1: So here's another one where this guy starts exploring, he
Speaker 1: finds a door, and then he the deeper he goes
Speaker 1: into the back rooms, and of course eventually gets lost.
Speaker 1: He starts finding these sort of hellscapes that are like
Speaker 1: fake model houses that are for sale. Right, and if
Speaker 1: I remember, in this one, he kind of hears the
Speaker 1: voices of like his sister through the wall or something.
Speaker 1: This one's really good, it's pretty. This one was really
Speaker 1: genuinely creepy. But you can never really get anywhere in
Speaker 1: the back rooms. And just like in the story of
Speaker 1: theseus in the Labyrinth and the minotaur right at at
Speaker 1: at the heart of the of the labyrinth is a monster,
Speaker 1: and you can never really defeat the monster. Right, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the monster might be. And I mean
Speaker 1: people have positive different ideas, like it's the corporate monopoly
Speaker 1: capital system itself that is the monster. And here, for example,
Speaker 1: he gives he did some videos where he kind of
Speaker 1: puts a animatronic sort of monster in the back rooms.
Speaker 1: He called it the rolling Giant. And then he did
Speaker 1: another one where there was a guy thing out in
Speaker 1: the woods and he found this out in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere, like a pothole or something, or like a
Speaker 1: stairs near a tree. Yeah, here it is, there's these
Speaker 1: stairs near a tree. And then even out in nature, right,
Speaker 1: what's underneath nature, according to this version of the back
Speaker 1: rooms is actually also this fake world of endless corporate
Speaker 1: back room creepiness. Right. Thus, all of reality itself via
Speaker 1: the videos is thus the upper layer of an infinite
Speaker 1: it's infinite turtles all the way down of a fake reality.
Speaker 1: What does this mean in my view? Because the back
Speaker 1: rooms are really also kind of fake. In other words,
Speaker 1: there's nothing actually and then that's useful or substantial or meaningful.
Speaker 1: It's all just like worthless corporate desks, furniture, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Then perhaps reality itself in the postmodern corporate world is
Speaker 1: itself a meaningless virtual reality. Thus it speaks to all
Speaker 1: the people who think that we live in a simulation, right,
Speaker 1: they buy into this very easily. What if reality itself
Speaker 1: is meaningless? Right, that's ultimately what this means. And if
Speaker 1: you have this worldview, then real is meaningless, right, because
Speaker 1: you're in this corporate viper system that makes you work
Speaker 1: for it your whole life and then you die, and
Speaker 1: so you're essentially like the office furniture. You're just another
Speaker 1: piece of the office furniture that gets replaced once you're
Speaker 1: no longer useful to human resources, and even human resources
Speaker 1: itself is a denegrating, dehumanizing title because you're not actually
Speaker 1: a person. You are a battery, a resource, a limited resource,
Speaker 1: or perhaps not limited, because you can easily just be replaced.
Speaker 1: And thus the logic of the corporate world is just
Speaker 1: simply to reproduce the meaningless corporate world that is it,
Speaker 1: But included within that is getting rid of the humans. Right,
Speaker 1: And thus people see, then what if all of reality
Speaker 1: is really just this world, this healscape, And that, I
Speaker 1: think is what is the power of the film I
Speaker 1: Suspect and the the art films and the project here, right,
Speaker 1: is that this is speaking to everyone in some deep
Speaker 1: archetypal level and in some deep deep archetypeal way that
Speaker 1: all of modernity, because it's all premised on this ideology,
Speaker 1: something is wrong. It's off, it's all upside down, and
Speaker 1: of course many of the elements in layers and levels
Speaker 1: are upside down within the back rooms, so much like
Speaker 1: an mcsher painting, you're stuck in a strange loop, right,
Speaker 1: and go back to our old talks and our old
Speaker 1: videos on the strange loops, watch some of this. I'll
Speaker 1: be back. I love the Spell of Bright Palm in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 3: Don't take this the wrong way. But you're a little strange.
Speaker 1: So am I.
Speaker 3: So is everyone. And that's because day in and day out,
Speaker 3: we believe in ourselves. I don't mean it in a
Speaker 3: motivational way. I'm talking about believing in the self as identity,
Speaker 3: the capital I, the home of our hopes and dreams,
Speaker 3: our thoughts and feelings. It may feel perfectly ordinary to
Speaker 3: be a conscious experiencing being, but it's that very sense
Speaker 3: of ordinariness which is itself extraordinary. Here's why our cognitive
Speaker 3: abilities have evolved to such a high level. That, in
Speaker 3: addition to perceiving the world around us like a lot
Speaker 3: of other species.
Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: philoshop perception right here. And for those that don't know,
Speaker 1: a strange loop is this idea from a real one
Speaker 1: of these sort of genius type characters a Douglas Hofstetter.
Speaker 1: He wrote Gardell esher Bach. You guys know, we've talked
Speaker 1: about the loops that Gardell talked about in terms of
Speaker 1: set theory, and Hofstatter got the Nobel Prize for writing
Speaker 1: that book because he noticed patterns with the way that
Speaker 1: sets work, the way that music works, particularly certain Bach
Speaker 1: and Beethoven symphonies the way they're written, and also with
Speaker 1: mc usher's art, with the dimensionality that exists within his
Speaker 1: art because it's two D, but it shows all these
Speaker 1: three D images right and sometimes, especially within the labyrinth paintings,
Speaker 1: you find these infinite loops. And so he formulated this
Speaker 1: connection between language, perception, set, theory, music, all these different
Speaker 1: domains and how there is this repeated pattern of the loop,
Speaker 1: and nobody else has noticed the back rooms also being
Speaker 1: the same type of a strange loop.
Speaker 3: Now watch this to perceive ourselves as well, which means
Speaker 3: we perceive ourselves perceiving. This, in turn gives rise to
Speaker 3: the self the conviction that there's something in your brain
Speaker 3: having ideas, forming opinions, making decisions, and commanding the body. Now,
Speaker 3: if I were to ask you who doing all that,
Speaker 3: you'd probably answer me, I am. But what exactly do
Speaker 3: we mean when we say I consider this? You're the
Speaker 3: realist thing in your life. You're at the center of
Speaker 3: every experience you've ever had. Every site, smell, taste, feeling,
Speaker 3: and memory has been mediated by your senses. And yet
Speaker 3: when we start to investigate what exactly is going on
Speaker 3: in the mind. When we say I, something trippy happens,
Speaker 3: the concrete conviction of who you are, who I is
Speaker 3: starts to crumble. Not only that, but the very reality
Speaker 3: of I comes into question. Follow this thread far enough
Speaker 3: and you run smack into a paradox. This is known
Speaker 3: as the paradox of self, and its conclusion is equal
Speaker 3: parts fascinating and unsettling. It argues that although we.
Speaker 1: Know now Just a little side note, this is relevant
Speaker 1: to what we argue when we talk about the transcendental argument. Right,
Speaker 1: and the transfient argument for God is specifically a theological
Speaker 1: type of argument, but the transcendental argument history also relates
Speaker 1: to all kinds of other things. Right, You could do
Speaker 1: a transcendental argument for the self. Right, In other words,
Speaker 1: how do I know that there's a self? Well, there
Speaker 1: must be some perceiver to have knowledge. Right, Having knowledge
Speaker 1: for the presupposes a no werre. And so Kant argued
Speaker 1: that to make a knowledge claim at all is a
Speaker 1: presubositional type of art argument for a transcendental unity of
Speaker 1: apperception concept and all that that's just fancy terminology for
Speaker 1: the self, that there is some sort of conscious self
Speaker 1: that is the har of the experiences or a har
Speaker 1: of the knowledge, right. And so that's kind of touching
Speaker 1: on this here.
Speaker 3: Intuitively, that there's an eye, we can't empirically prove it
Speaker 3: without referring back to ourselves yourself.
Speaker 1: So, in other words, referring to the self presupposes the self,
Speaker 1: because there's a self having the experience of self. Right.
Speaker 1: So there's this strange loop here. And this is why
Speaker 1: I've always argued that Girdel's incompleteness theorem is a kind
Speaker 1: of loose, adjacent type of thing to a transcendental argument.
Speaker 3: Of your eye, whatever you want to call it, confirms
Speaker 3: and reinforces its own realness. But if the reality of
Speaker 3: the self is founded upon a recursive logic, you have
Speaker 3: to wonder how reasonable is it to believe in the self?
Speaker 3: How real are you? Who are you? Do you exist
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 1: And this is just an our introductory video. I think
Speaker 1: this guy's like a YouTube philosophy dude. This is an
Speaker 1: introductory video to what the Hofstatter book is about. And
Speaker 1: you will see very soon. I'm not gonna play the
Speaker 1: whole thing, but you'll see how this relates back to backrooms.
Speaker 3: There are literally thousands of ways to answer these questions.
Speaker 3: It's why neuroscientist Todd Finberg begins his book From Axons
Speaker 3: to Identity by writing, there are nearly as many conceptions
Speaker 3: of the self as there are writers on the subject,
Speaker 3: and to complicate matters even more, ideas generated from these
Speaker 3: diverse viewpoints are often unrelated or mutually incompatible. So you
Speaker 3: can turn to neuroscience or cognitive science, or philosophy or religion.
Speaker 3: But whichever you choose, you're bound to draw complaints that
Speaker 3: you ignored or misinterpreted or flat out didn't understand some
Speaker 3: crucial aspect of the self, which is basically my way
Speaker 3: of saying sorry in advance if I ruffle some feathers.
Speaker 3: The best approach draws from as many fields as possible,
Speaker 3: all of which have something useful to contribute to our understanding.
Speaker 3: That's why in this video I rely heavily on Douglas Hofstadters.
Speaker 3: I am a strangely an ambitious, creative, beautiful attempt to
Speaker 3: answer these questions by drawing from math, art, music, science,
Speaker 3: philosophy and personal experience. Howstadter, who won the Politzer Prize
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy nine for his book Girdle usher Bach
Speaker 3: as a knack for interdisciplinary study. He boast the background
Speaker 3: in math, physics, cognitive science, computer science, and artificial intelligen
Speaker 3: He composes music. He speaks several languages. He translated Alexander
Speaker 3: Pushkin's novel Eugene Oegan. This guy is a polymath. He
Speaker 3: sees patterns and parallels where the rest of us would
Speaker 3: never have thought to look, which makes him the perfect
Speaker 3: guide through the treacherous paradox of self. Hofstadta defines the
Speaker 3: problem as a rift between two levels of being that
Speaker 3: the self seems to occupy simultaneously. On the one hand,
Speaker 3: I is an expression denoting a set of very high abstractions,
Speaker 3: a life story, a set of tape.
Speaker 1: I note also these two levels and how this could appeal,
Speaker 1: how this could have applied to the show's severance, or
Speaker 1: how this could also apply to the idea of the
Speaker 1: back rooms. Right this world where you enter and you
Speaker 1: can't really get out of it. It's almost like an
Speaker 1: internal psychological structure where you're stuck inside a loop versus
Speaker 1: the exterior world, which makes sense and is rational.
Speaker 3: A bundle of hopes and fears, this one we know
Speaker 3: intuitively through daily experience. And yet on the other hand,
Speaker 3: eye is an expression denoting a physical object made of
Speaker 3: trillions of cells, each of which is doing its own
Speaker 3: thing without the slightest regard for the supposed hole of
Speaker 3: which it is but an infintesimal part. This one we've
Speaker 3: discovered through scientific observation, but it is not part of
Speaker 3: our lived experience. Is one level of the eye the
Speaker 3: correct real interpret or can both be real at the
Speaker 3: same time?
Speaker 1: And this is also the question of consciousness, right, there's
Speaker 1: something beyond just the physical material substrate that holds you know,
Speaker 1: the body together, the atoms and the bones and all that,
Speaker 1: the molecules. There's something else beyond that that is the
Speaker 1: eye that's having the experiences.
Speaker 3: So how to begin answering these questions. Let's take a
Speaker 3: look at the architecture of the self, or that am
Speaker 3: I consciousness in the self don't just switch on like
Speaker 3: a light when you're born. It's not delivery. It's to Jorno.
Speaker 3: Some of the ingredients are there, but it takes about
Speaker 3: five years to metaphorically bake in consciousness.
Speaker 1: This just gets into the question of consciousness. I'm going
Speaker 1: to skip past this and move a little bit further
Speaker 1: up to like descartes of the philosophical questions, it.
Speaker 3: Is sprinkled all over your brain, or maybe, like Descartes,
Speaker 3: you could believe that the seat of the soul is
Speaker 3: located here in the panal gland. If so, then you're wrong,
Speaker 3: not only because that's been disproven, but because this isn't
Speaker 3: the panal gland.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 3: But from what we can tell empirically, it appears that
Speaker 3: the self resides within the structure of the brain. A
Speaker 3: reasonable course of action might be to break everything down
Speaker 3: into its most basic parts. This is called the reductionist view,
Speaker 3: which argues that the entire fire system that adds up
Speaker 3: to the eye can be explained by zooming into the
Speaker 3: lowest informational level. For example, if you wanted to know
Speaker 3: why we.
Speaker 1: All know the problems with the materialist productionist to you,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna skip ahead little bit more sheer volume.
Speaker 3: Instead, we shift up several informational levels, from binary pass
Speaker 3: pixels and sound waves to the abstract level of images
Speaker 3: and words. The same issue crops up when we're trying
Speaker 3: to understand the consciousness. You could reduce it as roboticis
Speaker 3: Hans Morovic does, to a bunch of squirting chemicals, and
Speaker 3: it is that. But it would be meaningless. We have
Speaker 3: to simplify and abstract to jump up levels because our
Speaker 3: brains can't handle the information overload otherwise, trickle not fire hose.
Speaker 3: Remember it's why we talk about wars in terms of
Speaker 3: armies instead of each individual soldier, or hurricanes instead of
Speaker 3: rain drops. Like it or not, we're bound to these
Speaker 3: higher levels. There's another problem though. If consciousness is at
Speaker 3: its most basic level, the result of a bunch of
Speaker 3: atoms randomly bumping into each other, then why does it
Speaker 3: feel like you're Does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well? All right, now, let's move up to the connection
Speaker 1: to the esher part, because that's where it gets really
Speaker 1: fascinating in terms of the loops within, say the labyrinths
Speaker 1: the Esher would draw.
Speaker 3: You know what a loop is, the water cycle, the
Speaker 3: circulatory system, night and day. In each case you eventually
Speaker 3: end up where you began. But a strange loop is
Speaker 3: a lot Stranger hosted or explains it as not a
Speaker 3: physical circuit but an abstract loop in which, in the
Speaker 3: series of stages that constitute the cycling around, there's a
Speaker 3: shift from one level of abstraction to another, which feels.
Speaker 1: Like an upper by the way, which refutes materialism because
Speaker 1: you couldn't do these abstractions if everything were just base matter.
Speaker 3: This movement in a hierarchy, and yet somehow the successive
Speaker 3: upward shifts turn out to give rise to a closed cycle.
Speaker 3: That is, despite one sense of departing ever further from
Speaker 3: one's origin, one winds up to one shock exactly where
Speaker 3: one had started out. In short, a strange loop is
Speaker 3: a paradoxical level crossing feedback loop. That's a lot to
Speaker 3: chew on at once, so let's break it down into
Speaker 3: smaller bites. Some of the most popular visual representations of
Speaker 3: a strange loop come from the work of mc escher.
Speaker 3: Like drawing hands, here we have a simple two level paradox.
Speaker 3: We see an upward shift from two D to three
Speaker 3: D from drawn to draw, and yet there's a violation
Speaker 3: in this upwardness since but.
Speaker 1: Remember the drawing itself is two D. So it's matta
Speaker 1: because it's a two D drawing representing two D transitioning
Speaker 1: into three D right, which shows us that there are
Speaker 1: other dimensions.
Speaker 3: By the way each hand owes its existence to the
Speaker 3: work of the other. Or consider the paradox of waterfall.
Speaker 3: The water flows down a course before pouring. Oh the waterfall,
Speaker 3: only to wind up where it began. Once again, the
Speaker 3: hierarchy of levels has been violated. These sketches are helpful analogies,
Speaker 3: but they're not full fledged strange loops, because well, they're
Speaker 3: not real. There are, however, two real life examples. One
Speaker 3: is mathematician Kirt Girdle's in completeness theorrem which contains self
Speaker 3: referential proofs. But I was in the lowest level math
Speaker 3: class in school, so I'm not going to attempt to
Speaker 3: explain it. The other real life strange loop is you
Speaker 3: guessed it the self. According to Hofstatter, there are two.
Speaker 1: Crudible well in regard to the in completeness theorems. Basically,
Speaker 1: this was a dispute with bertrand Russell that focused on
Speaker 1: the question of whether or not, as Russell thought, mathematics
Speaker 1: could be a complete explanation of all reality, and Gridell's
Speaker 1: response was I can prove from mathematics itself that mathematics
Speaker 1: cannot explain all reality and use set theory to say
Speaker 1: that you can never have a complete set because a
Speaker 1: set would also at some point necessarily refer outside of itself.
Speaker 1: Thus set theory refutes the reductionist idea of a completely
Speaker 1: logical explication of all reality. Thus you could see why
Speaker 1: it relates to transcendental type of argument.
Speaker 3: Actual elements that make the self a ste loop. The
Speaker 3: first is an ability, the ability to think. We don't
Speaker 3: just passively receive input, we perceive, and in doing so
Speaker 3: we distill a dizzying amount of raw information into abstract
Speaker 3: symbols in our minds. The second element is an inability,
Speaker 3: namely the inability to peer below the level of symbols.
Speaker 3: Our innate blindness to the world of the tiny forces
Speaker 3: us to hallucinate a profound schism between the goal lacking
Speaker 3: material world of balls and sticks and sounds and lights
Speaker 3: on the one hand, and a goal pervaded abstract world
Speaker 3: of hopes and beliefs and joys and fears on the other,
Speaker 3: in which radically different sorts of causality seem to rain.
Speaker 1: Although it so this gets into like free will and
Speaker 1: all that too. I'll give you guys this full video
Speaker 1: if you want to watch it later but don't want to
Speaker 1: get back to the back rooms, because that's really all
Speaker 1: that was relevant to the back rooms in that discussion
Speaker 1: and that helpful little video there. But we've talked about
Speaker 1: that for a good while. Now, with regard to Cane's presentations,
Speaker 1: there's also these pitfalls in these areas where it can
Speaker 1: get worse for you. Right, you can fall into places
Speaker 1: where you feel like you're back to normal reality, but
Speaker 1: you're actually just in another version of the hell world.
Speaker 1: Right movies have done this too, Right, This is kind
Speaker 1: of a recurring presentation where you come out, you think
Speaker 1: that you're back to your your neighborhood, you're actually just
Speaker 1: in like a worse, uh you know, demonic version of
Speaker 1: your neighborhood. So really cool stuff. I do expect the
Speaker 1: back Rooms trailer or the Backrooms film to be really good,
Speaker 1: and it looks like people are going to explore it further.
Speaker 1: They're going to get lost, probably what will happen, And usually,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe not, but usually in
Speaker 1: horror films, what's going on is that you're the cause
Speaker 1: of your own prison, and so you have to confront
Speaker 1: your own trauma to get out of the horror of
Speaker 1: the back Rooms. But that's my thoughts on the liminal
Speaker 1: space in the back Rooms. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Do you think that I'm wrong in my analysis? Do
Speaker 1: you think that my thoughts, missing my notes, trying to
Speaker 1: make sure I got up to all the points I
Speaker 1: wanted to get to to recap. It's erasing the past.
Speaker 1: There is no past, present, or future in the back rooms.
Speaker 1: There's just wandering to an infinite bunch of meaninglessness. It's
Speaker 1: existential dread and corporate nihilism. Corporatism is innately thus in
Speaker 1: the presentation of the back rooms, anti human. The liminal
Speaker 1: space is typically harkening back to the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 1: which was the last of the pre virtual, pre Internet era,
Speaker 1: so we are longing for the human realm. The liminal
Speaker 1: space is also very much like the Internet in that
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a lot of meaning. The meaning can
Speaker 1: very quickly be replaced and forgotten. Nobody remembers the news
Speaker 1: stories online from five years ago right. For example, search
Speaker 1: engines have recently been retooled to where you really can't
Speaker 1: find old archived stuff anymore, and that was all by design.
Speaker 1: That's a version of erasing the past so that you
Speaker 1: only live in the immediate. It's industrial Gothic or instant
Speaker 1: tutional gothic. It's the updated version of Gothic horror. Even
Speaker 1: the idea of no clipping into the back rooms shows
Speaker 1: the gamification of all reality. Reality is now seen like
Speaker 1: the virtual, like the like the Internet world. So the
Speaker 1: simulacra has replaced the simulation, which is the point of
Speaker 1: Baudriard's whole essays right almost again a kind of a
Speaker 1: prophetic warning even in films like The Matrix, and the
Speaker 1: Matrix is ultimately sort of gnostic. It's a neo gnostic presentation,
Speaker 1: but there's still some truths within the idea of the Matrix,
Speaker 1: like what if we live so much in the virtual
Speaker 1: that the real world actually just gets replaced and becomes
Speaker 1: the virtual as well. And there was a guy who
Speaker 1: made a videos. I think he's an Orthodox Seraphim Wirch.
Speaker 1: I forget his exact name. I'd not seen his stuff before.
Speaker 1: I'd heard of him before, but I never really watched
Speaker 1: his videos. He did a good video on this the
Speaker 1: other day where he argued that the the virtual world
Speaker 1: doesn't have to even be a thing that you always
Speaker 1: live in perpetually, like in some compod because if you
Speaker 1: spend all of your time in the virtual world online,
Speaker 1: if you you know, significant amounts of time, and it
Speaker 1: actually programs you to act more like an algorithm like
Speaker 1: a total spurg, like a spur of God five thousand,
Speaker 1: spurg Lord five thousand. Then you're already almost a virtual person,
Speaker 1: and you will already reinterpret the external real world as
Speaker 1: a virtual world. You're going to treat it the same
Speaker 1: way as the Internet world. So the Internet world already
Speaker 1: is the simulaca replacing the simulation or the fake world.
Speaker 1: So you might not even need simulation theory because people
Speaker 1: are already going to read all of reality as like
Speaker 1: the simulation or like the virtual. We mentioned severance, We
Speaker 1: mentioned the in between upside down, We mentioned vapor wave,
Speaker 1: synth wave. What if reality itself is breaking and bending?
Speaker 1: Are we seeing all reality as virtual? So it might
Speaker 1: not be like some sort of cosmic horror in the
Speaker 1: sense of you know, Cthulhu, or then the sense of
Speaker 1: like HP Lovecraft, where metaphysical reality itself begins to break down,
Speaker 1: although who knows, maybe is maybe at the end of
Speaker 1: the world metaphysics itself starts breaking. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like what if, what if the bleeding and breaking of
Speaker 1: reality isn't the actual external world but the way that
Speaker 1: everybody's internal world and their worldview, their paradigm gets reprogrammed
Speaker 1: and restructured through the symbiotic loop of the Internet. What
Speaker 1: if that retooling of the inner world of people then
Speaker 1: basically just makes them interpret the external world in these
Speaker 1: mind controlled hellish ways. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: So you don't have to actually change the world, like
Speaker 1: well we're gonna, you know, turn on CERN to make
Speaker 1: it like fuck up metaphysics and reality. Well, all you
Speaker 1: have to do is like rech tool and re imprint
Speaker 1: the mind of the humans to misinterpret reality itself. And
Speaker 1: then you you don't have You don't need a CERN
Speaker 1: machine that makes time go backwards or some crazy shit, right.
Speaker 1: You just need dummies to be reprogrammed to interpret reality wrongly.
Speaker 1: And that's much more hellish and possible than turning on
Speaker 1: CERN and making the past be erased or make Donald
Speaker 1: Trump time trout whatever bullshit people think about CERN. There
Speaker 1: was a novel about this which I had not heard of,
Speaker 1: called House of Leaves, And I'll find the guy's video.
Speaker 1: Let's see who was that guy. I have to think
Speaker 1: of this guy's video. I should have saved it, but
Speaker 1: I don't think I remember it too. This is it?
Speaker 1: So not really familiar with this guy's content. But I
Speaker 1: did enjoy his philosophical ruminations on the back Rooms, and
Speaker 1: so I'll give him some credit because his video inspired
Speaker 1: me to do this video, so you could get his
Speaker 1: take on it. Like, he comes off as kind of agnostic,
Speaker 1: sort of atheist type dude, but he did have some
Speaker 1: interesting insights. And he referenced this story House of Leaves,
Speaker 1: which is also very similar to what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We mentioned the Theseus Minotaur labyrinth story. We referenced that
Speaker 1: extensively in our lengthy analysis of the Shining. The Shining
Speaker 1: is another presentation of the Labyrinth and the Theseus story. Jack
Speaker 1: is the minataur that's all self conscious. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's all of my ideas on it. It's a threshold,
Speaker 1: but a threshold to where a threshold to perhaps Hell
Speaker 1: bleeding into hell world bleeding into our world. Perhaps a
Speaker 1: threshold of the actual dystopia rolling out, the one that
Speaker 1: was warned about in all of these nineteen eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties fiction stories, now manifesting into reality out of the
Speaker 1: collective unconscious. Right, Perhaps that's really what's going on with
Speaker 1: the back Rooms. But I want to know what you
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Speaker 1: Hunter says, Jay, the people crying about Massy on x
Speaker 1: or cringe as fuck, especially Zionist billionaires jeff Yass who
Speaker 1: also funded him. This shows the moral relativism of the
Speaker 1: libertarians and how deep they are by oligarchs that fund
Speaker 1: any side or every side. Can you do a Ted
Speaker 1: talk on this topic. Yeah. I think it's not surprising
Speaker 1: because people don't look into who fund stuff, and if
Speaker 1: you've got powerful oligarchs on the both sides, this is
Speaker 1: really the tale of politics for forever. Politics is always
Speaker 1: a who's funding it game. It's not the rhetoric of
Speaker 1: the politician, it's who's putting the money behind the person.
Speaker 1: In fact, we were just watching Peaky Blinders and I'm
Speaker 1: getting near the end and by the sixth season, as
Speaker 1: is always the case in mafia stories, right uh Killian
Speaker 1: Murphy has you know, climbed the ladder to being an
Speaker 1: international corporate syndicate. And he's involved now in politics, right,
Speaker 1: And he's a politician. He's part of the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, not only is he part of
Speaker 1: the Labor Party, he's also on the down low working
Speaker 1: to undermine the fascists in terms of Ian Moseley, he's
Speaker 1: also working to steer the IRA right Irish Republican Army.
Speaker 1: He's also working to steer and control the underworld, and
Speaker 1: so he's playing all sides. In fact, there was a
Speaker 1: great scene reminiscent of the famous scene in The Prisoner
Speaker 1: the excellent TV show, which also illustrated this point where
Speaker 1: he's explaining to the IRA girl because she's like, what
Speaker 1: side are you on? Are you on the communist side?
Speaker 1: Are you on the socialist Labor party side? Are you
Speaker 1: on the democracy side? Are you on the organized crime side?
Speaker 1: Or are you on the fascist side? And he's like,
Speaker 1: there's a circle. All of these sides eventually meet. He says,
Speaker 1: if you go far enough to the right, he says,
Speaker 1: you'll meet the far left. And he says, I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle because I am a rising corporate elite and
Speaker 1: I want to use, when is necessary, all of these
Speaker 1: ideologies to my own ends. I wonder if I could
Speaker 1: find that Prisoner's scene that shows that, Oh, I think
Speaker 1: it's the one that is it the Global Village? I
Speaker 1: think it's a Global Village. I wonder if I could
Speaker 1: get away with planet or will it copyright it? Yes,
Speaker 1: this is it right here. So now, if you've ever
Speaker 1: never watched The Prisoner, it's amazingly deep philosophical spy show.
Speaker 1: There's never been a show like this. It's a spy
Speaker 1: show that's also like super deep conspiracy and philosophy lore.
Speaker 1: Nothing like it ever. It only went one season. But
Speaker 1: if you don't know, Patrick McGowen plays the former British
Speaker 1: spy who's taken off to this retirement village for former
Speaker 1: spies because the spies know too much and they have
Speaker 1: to send them off to this place in the middle
Speaker 1: know where they don't actually know where they are. And
Speaker 1: this is actually real, right, This is based on a
Speaker 1: real place. Obviously this is sci fi sort of dystopian
Speaker 1: version of it, but there really was a place in
Speaker 1: Scotland where they would would truck these dudes off and
Speaker 1: kind of keep them locked up in this like hospice
Speaker 1: place in Scotland, right, So it's based in reality. I
Speaker 1: read a whole bunch on this and it's it's a
Speaker 1: significant section of my first book, right because it's very
Speaker 1: insightful to what's going on, and it's very relevant here
Speaker 1: watch this.
Speaker 4: People who don't which means that there are some people
Speaker 4: who leave this place and some who do not leave.
Speaker 1: So Patrick mcgoon on the left there, right, he's against
Speaker 1: this whole system now because he doesn't understand why as
Speaker 1: a faithful, you know, British intelligence operative, he's been retired
Speaker 1: and sent off to this dystopian controlled village and He's
Speaker 1: talking to his sort of controller handler person who he
Speaker 1: thinks runs the village, and he is like, whose side
Speaker 1: are you on? Watch this?
Speaker 4: You are obviously staying, Has it ever occurred to you
Speaker 4: that you're just as much a prisoner as in No,
Speaker 4: my dear Jah, of course I knew too much where
Speaker 4: both lifers. I am definitely an optimist. That's why it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter who number one is. It doesn't matter which
Speaker 4: side runs the village. It's run by one side or
Speaker 4: the other, certainly, but both sides are becoming identical. What
Speaker 4: in fact has been created an international community here?
Speaker 1: That the village is an international type of community that
Speaker 1: will mirror the macrocosm of the international community coming out
Speaker 1: of the Cold War, a perfect blueprint for world order.
Speaker 4: When the sides facing each other suddenly realize that they're
Speaker 4: looking into a mirror, they will see that this is
Speaker 4: the pattern for the future the.
Speaker 1: Whole Notice how prophetic that is. The Cold War would
Speaker 1: produce a dialectic that would result in a synthesis of
Speaker 1: a perfect controlled, corporate world order. And if you don't know,
Speaker 1: the whole village is run by a kind of all
Speaker 1: seeing eye surveillance system that doesn't allow you to leave
Speaker 1: the village.
Speaker 4: As the village that is my I should.
Speaker 1: So the espionage controlled, dystopian world of the village is
Speaker 1: the model for the New World Order. And the prisoner
Speaker 1: was telling you this in nineteen sixty seven. It's a
Speaker 1: super profound show. Nobody watches it, nobody's seen it except
Speaker 1: for a handful of people. Lord Voldemart mentions it all
Speaker 1: the time. That's why I end up watching it, I
Speaker 1: think because he mentioned it all the time. But if
Speaker 1: you've never watched it, I know most people don't have
Speaker 1: the patience because it's not an action show. It's a
Speaker 1: high tier, high IQ sort of British drama almost. But
Speaker 1: if you do have the patience and the ability to
Speaker 1: watch it and the attention span, yes you would watch it.
Speaker 1: Then you would actually be able to vibe with a
Speaker 1: lot of my content if you understood what this show
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Speaker 1: Many Liminal Space videos also have the two thousands aesthetics. Yeah, okay, whatever,
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Speaker 1: to Actually it only doesn't have to literally only be
Speaker 1: the nineties. It can be two thousand and one or two.
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Speaker 1: I thought about doing a live stream on that, but honestly,
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Speaker 1: gets old, Like I mean, we did twenty hours, thirty
Speaker 1: hours of streaming on that last week. I just need
Speaker 1: to talk about something else. Turns out Protestants needed exorcism.
Speaker 1: The chat was so wild. All they did was talk
Speaker 1: about Orthodoxy charging people for baptism, which was a lot.
Speaker 1: Well that's all they have so, but I appreciate that
Speaker 1: super chat. Maybe next week we'll review it or do
Speaker 1: a streamline. I just my mood is not prot slob.
Speaker 1: I can't talk about that for freaking forty hours straight, man.
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Speaker 1: just title this the Liminal Space stream. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to do that for forever. I don't really want to
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Speaker 1: if you enjoy back rooms. Graylock is a shift towards
Speaker 1: a deeper psychological occult territory. Is that a game or
Speaker 1: is that a movie? It focuses on the human mind
Speaker 1: and it's manifesting a fake reality through occult mind control programs. Well,
Speaker 1: I did play the New Alan Wake, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people were critical of the New Allen Wake, and
Speaker 1: you guys know that we did some funny streams on that.
Speaker 1: Everybody's cracking up about those. But I beat the game
Speaker 1: and it ended up being the same type of stuff too.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It wasn't my favorite game, but it
Speaker 1: was fun. Epic skeptic ten dollars. Can we get another
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Speaker 1: sum I just forgot about it. I got busy playing
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Speaker 1: this corporate angle amusing ourselves to death. Yes I'm familiar
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Speaker 1: one up in the back rooms. Oh, that would actually
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty fun. I'm gonna here's a fun use
Speaker 1: of AI. Get the AI to make a liminal space
Speaker 1: backrooms version of a church. That would be awesome because
Speaker 1: it would actually end up being like Rhythm church. Look
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Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's called feather talk. See a lot
Speaker 1: of y'all don't know. I've read a bunch of lit.
Speaker 1: I was doing a lit grad degree lit and philosophy,
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Speaker 1: then you let's say, we got gray Locks, a YouTube series.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen that. Now that you say gray Lot,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure i've seen that. Let me see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think i've seen this.
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Speaker 1: Fair believers. We've men pursue evil. It is here back
Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty four. Yeah, I think I watched this
Speaker 1: or one like it. Maybe I haven't seen Graylock. There
Speaker 1: was a YouTube horror you guys might know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't remember the name of it, but
Speaker 1: it was like instructional tapes when the social collapse has happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like a zombie outbreak or something.
Speaker 1: It's like these videos of like into the world instructional videos.
Speaker 1: Do you all know what that one is? That was
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. I might be getting that mixed
Speaker 1: up with Greylock. I don't think I've seen this one,
Speaker 1: but there was one like this. If you guys know
Speaker 1: which one I'm talking about, mention it in the chat
Speaker 1: because I can't remember the name of that one. But
Speaker 1: it was also very popular. It had you know, million
Speaker 1: views or whatever. But I would like to get into
Speaker 1: this one if we have the time. Let's see put
Speaker 1: it on one point five. What's up, y'all? Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for the chat. Yeah, that's a great point too.
Speaker 1: David Lynch also was doing liminal space horror before everybody else,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, and somebody made a video of other
Speaker 1: forgotten liminal space horrors. But a lot of them were
Speaker 1: pretty They were not very good, like B movies that
Speaker 1: were just almost unwatchable. Since we're on this theme, I'll
Speaker 1: pull it up. Yeah, this guy's channel, his name is
Speaker 1: a Nightmare Movies. I've only watched some of his videos.
Speaker 1: This one that he did was it was It was
Speaker 1: pretty good, it was okay. The name of it is
Speaker 1: some on the movie what's it called? I remember trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what the dame of the freaking movie
Speaker 1: was that they forever because it's not listed anyway, you
Speaker 1: can go find the name of this movie. Like it
Speaker 1: took me forever to figure out what it was. It
Speaker 1: was an okay, B movie. It did have some creepy vibes,
Speaker 1: but it was such a such a B movie it
Speaker 1: was hard to watch. Uh. And then he did another video,
Speaker 1: I think, listing a bunch of limon old space horrors,
Speaker 1: but they were not very good. Of course, obviously it
Speaker 1: follows that's a classic that was really good, which which
Speaker 1: I heard they're making it. It follows too. I think Silent
Speaker 1: Hill would count. I am a Silent Hill fan. Obviously,
Speaker 1: my Home Drive obviously, you know, the Shining would count.
Speaker 1: Lost Highway would count. I guess Blair Wisch Project would count.
Speaker 1: I don't like found footage horror movies. I think they sucked.
Speaker 1: They're really annoying to me. But I will say that
Speaker 1: the first one was pretty good. Twin Peaks Firewak with me.
Speaker 1: Definitely liminal horror. Pulse was pretty good. Pulse was a
Speaker 1: better than I expected. And they they even did a
Speaker 1: remake with Kristen Bell, which is not as good, but
Speaker 1: it was okay. It was definitely liminal space horror. Cube,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I've ever actually watched Cube. I've
Speaker 1: heard it's good, but I don't think I've ever got
Speaker 1: around to it. Dim Land, I don't know what dim
Speaker 1: Land is. I never heard of that one. That might
Speaker 1: be cool. I did think Vivarium was good. For some reason,
Speaker 1: we missed it. We never did a deep analysis of it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. It was a good liminal
Speaker 1: space horror, cosmic horrors. Of course, we've done Dark City
Speaker 1: many times. It's in Esterklawoo three. Now. Beyond the Black
Speaker 1: Rainbow definitely good. We did that. We covered that long
Speaker 1: time ago, and pretty pretty much all of the Greek
Speaker 1: just went blank on the Greek dude's name Mandy, right,
Speaker 1: obviously Mandy was he does this not have Mandy in
Speaker 1: the list? I mean, Mandy is better than Beyond Black Rainbow.
Speaker 1: Surely Mandy's in here. They didn't put Mandy. Know well,
Speaker 1: they missed They missed one of the those what's this one?
Speaker 1: Oh erink? Honestly, it looked too creepy for me to watch,
Speaker 1: Like something about being stuck in the low res for
Speaker 1: the entire movie was just a little much. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I can't believe they didn't put Mandy
Speaker 1: on here. Man, he's like the most that's like the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of all of these. I apologize I'm not being
Speaker 1: able to figure out the name of this movie, but
Speaker 1: this guy did. I think he intentionally didn't put the
Speaker 1: name of it there so that you would like hunt
Speaker 1: around and click on the video and figure out what
Speaker 1: it is, which is pretty smart actually. But what do
Speaker 1: you guys think is the best liminal horror film? I mean,
Speaker 1: definitely probably do so many of David Lynch's things are
Speaker 1: going to be up there. I mean it follows as
Speaker 1: a classic, but I probably, I want to say probably
Speaker 1: David Lynch, it follows, and Mandy would have to be
Speaker 1: have to be the best. What do you guys think
Speaker 1: what movie sucked? Yeah? I like Colorado Space. I mean
Speaker 1: Mandy was a lot better than color Out of Space though,
Speaker 1: just overall as a film. I mean, Mandy is like
Speaker 1: and there's some really intense parts that are hard to watch.
Speaker 1: But I mean that movie is just that movie blew
Speaker 1: my mind dude out in the mouth of madness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's cosmic horror. I don't know if it's liminal.
Speaker 1: It could be it's kind of liminal space. I like
Speaker 1: the triangle, I like the void. Aren't they making a
Speaker 1: part two? If it follows? Am I right about that?
Speaker 1: By the way, I have to say, uh, while we're
Speaker 1: on the on the movie tip there will be one
Speaker 1: and immediately it's like, what are you doing this?
Speaker 5: And you are, in fact, finally we're doing it next.
Speaker 1: That's the next gig.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the next job you said before.
Speaker 1: I've heard you talked about it. The script's pretty great.
Speaker 2: It's very it's very dark and.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, but fucked up scale what literally got
Speaker 5: once to time?
Speaker 1: It's pretty I mean, what would you put the first
Speaker 1: one at nine?
Speaker 6: You think? Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1: So hard for me.
Speaker 5: It's like not scared.
Speaker 7: Of course is not scared to me.
Speaker 5: So it seems like, you know, then this would probably
Speaker 5: be like a fifteen sixt.
Speaker 1: So she's saying that it follows to will be a
Speaker 1: fifteen on the one to ten liminal scale of crazy. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's already a trailer. No, that's got to be a
Speaker 1: fake ass trailer. Dide. I hate fake trailers. They drive
Speaker 1: me crazy.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than freaking fake trailers because you get
Speaker 1: all excited. You're like, oh, dude, they get Oh. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Mandy, Mandy's got to be up there. Dude.
Speaker 1: Come on, dude, you gotta be honest. It's crazy. Event Horizon.
Speaker 1: Event Horizon is just more of a just a freaking
Speaker 1: space fake and gay space horror, dude, lawnmower Man, we've
Speaker 1: done all these, by the way, Peewee's Great Adventures. Actually,
Speaker 1: it is kind of there's elements of liminal horror and
Speaker 1: pee Wee's Great Adventures. It's definitely trippy at times. It's
Speaker 1: interesting too that along with right the back rooms vibe,
Speaker 1: in the liminal space horror vibe, that that's kind of
Speaker 1: taking over horror. Now, that is interesting. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that because they started trying to make horror woke, right,
Speaker 1: and that's it doesn't work. It bombs. People don't want that.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that this would be like the
Speaker 1: next you know, trend within horror for sure, mimics that's
Speaker 1: not liminal space horror. What are you talking about? Y'all?
Speaker 1: Just playing now hell Raiser again. I don't know if
Speaker 1: hell Raiser really makes it. I mean, I think liminal
Speaker 1: Space just has to be like creepy, empty, corporate weird.
Speaker 1: You know it's David Lynch's fan turning in a room
Speaker 1: with just a lamp and a recliner, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Oh, I forgot you guys. Yes, I have
Speaker 1: to mention. Uh, we will be doing as above so below.
Speaker 1: And that was actually way better than I expected. Again,
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate found footage horror movies, and that's why
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch as above so below. It
Speaker 1: was actually really good. And Jamie and I are going
Speaker 1: to be doing as above so below the Ritual and
Speaker 1: we're revisiting Eyes Wide Shut and the Ninth Gate after
Speaker 1: ten years. So let's do a little bit of this
Speaker 1: because a lot of people were talking about this now
Speaker 1: and I started it and didn't get to finish. I
Speaker 1: got distracted. So let's check this out.
Speaker 5: For a seemingly simple question, what was avy loop? And
Speaker 5: the more you search for answers, the more deranged this
Speaker 5: trail becomes this is the story of a loop, YouTube's
Speaker 5: darkest mystery, A lot more talk.
Speaker 4: So what are you waiting for?
Speaker 1: Captain? Now? I'm under the impression that this is real, Right,
Speaker 1: this is not like a totally fictional sort of marketing thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: because I haven't finished the video, so I don't exactly
Speaker 1: know where it goes, and I got a five minutes in.
Speaker 1: So am I correct those that have watched that this
Speaker 1: is purported to be a real thing.
Speaker 6: Welcome to abby Loop. You're collected by website for anything aviation.
Speaker 5: The formula for abu loops content was simple. A young
Speaker 5: woman stands in front of a static white background dressed
Speaker 5: in a flight attendants out of it. They refer to
Speaker 5: themselves as deal attendants, and their job seems to be
Speaker 5: sharing information about this new brand, avu Loop.
Speaker 7: We offer deals of flight lessons, pilot accessories, fuel fdo services,
Speaker 7: shot of flights, and even small aircraft.
Speaker 5: You don't see that very often. The brand market in
Speaker 5: a number of unique aviation related services, making them appear
Speaker 5: as a one stop shop for anyone in the industry
Speaker 5: or just anyone interested in flying. Avuloup claimed to do
Speaker 5: it all and at unbeatable prices too. Our deals are
Speaker 5: usually fifty to nine percent off. Promoting deals of fifty
Speaker 5: to ninety percent off it hard.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what this immediately reminds me of Remember
Speaker 1: the connections that Jeff Stain McCaffrey had with the women
Speaker 1: who offered to fly you on the planes. Like there
Speaker 1: was these ads and like promos of these chicks dressed
Speaker 1: like flight attendants and that was part of the deal.
Speaker 1: When you fly with Theef's time Iccairlines, Jeff's time Icairlines.
Speaker 5: It seems like anything mysterious, just your standard subpar had
Speaker 5: from the early twenty tens. But the more you watch,
Speaker 5: the less clear it becomes. What exactly Obulum did. They
Speaker 5: left their business incredibly vague. There were no prices, no locations,
Speaker 5: and rather they just listed a bunch of flying buzzwords
Speaker 5: offered at deals that seemed impossible. For example, they list
Speaker 5: fuels apply among their offerings, but how are they actually
Speaker 5: getting the fuel and providing it at fifty to ninety
Speaker 5: percent off and we're in the country or even the
Speaker 5: world are they offering it? It just doesn't seem realistic.
Speaker 5: What they're saying sounds fine on the surface, by the.
Speaker 1: Way, it's really fun to revisit because a lot of
Speaker 1: these movie podcasts. You know, we did a lot of
Speaker 1: these analyzes back when we had like twenty thousand subscribers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean we did. We had thirty thousand,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand, and I mean we've got you know, ten
Speaker 1: times the subscribers now that we had back when we
Speaker 1: were doing all of those. So maybe we need to
Speaker 1: like review and revisit a lot of these movies that
Speaker 1: we did, you know, before we had a larger audience.
Speaker 5: But the more you think about it, the less sense
Speaker 5: it really makes. It just seems too good to be true.
Speaker 5: I have to mention how biz already is that this
Speaker 5: unknown company could come in and offer literally anything you
Speaker 5: could want that's flying related with such exorbitant deals. Admittedly,
Speaker 5: though this is easy enough to ignore and playoff is
Speaker 5: an ineffective or even deceitful advertisement, But there was something
Speaker 5: else that was much harder to ignore about these commercials,
Speaker 5: with that being the deal attendants themselves.
Speaker 1: So you guys are saying, I'm already nailed it, dude. Listen,
Speaker 1: when Jamie and I watch movies, I'm I'm like expert
Speaker 1: movie detective. Now Jamie's like, I'll solve it like that, dude.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, well, like we'll be like ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and then five ten minutes in the movie, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh it's They're like, oh, yep, that's it. Now. Every
Speaker 1: now and then I'm wrong, because that's why the only
Speaker 1: movies I like nowadays are the ones that can actually
Speaker 1: trip me up, which is it's got to be like
Speaker 1: some crazy shit, right, like, oh, that was actually a
Speaker 1: synthoid from another dimension. It wasn't that guy, right. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to figure out the movie right away.
Speaker 5: Just ye of you claiming to be a professional aviation business,
Speaker 5: it's difficult not to notice how cheap these women's outfits appear.
Speaker 5: They're clearly costumes rather than real flight attendant uniforms.
Speaker 1: Now, that's what I'm saying, tinguz, like Jamie's like, Jamie
Speaker 1: got me. This is the best example of this. I'd
Speaker 1: never seen Usual Suspects, right, And within the first minute
Speaker 1: or two minutes of the movie, I knew it was
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey because in the shadow, the way that he
Speaker 1: held the cigar is the gate and the stance that
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey has, It's Kevin Spacey movie ruined within two
Speaker 1: minutes right away, because this shows you the shadow of
Speaker 1: the villain in the first two minutes, like that's obviously
Speaker 1: Kevin space you could tell the way stance.
Speaker 5: And they're clearly over sexualized too. They're essentially dressed as
Speaker 5: fetishized versions of actual flight attendants, which is bizarre as
Speaker 5: one of the services that obviously claims to provide is
Speaker 5: staffing for flight crews, which would include actual flight attendants. Yet,
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, they chose to address these girls in
Speaker 5: seductive costumes. If they were trying to make these advertisements
Speaker 5: look professional, they were failing miserably. And it wasn't only
Speaker 5: the outfits that had a strength.
Speaker 1: They all it looks kind of AI though, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have AI back then, right, So it's weird because
Speaker 1: the way it looks now it's kind of like creepy
Speaker 1: and AI fake.
Speaker 5: Looking sexual undertone to them. It was also the script
Speaker 5: that the girls were reading, whether you want to learn.
Speaker 7: To fly chartered airplane, I see girls like me or
Speaker 7: to see more girls like me?
Speaker 6: Abubup can help, abulup can help. So what are you
Speaker 6: waiting for? Captain any remember talk gun. Clearly you're attracted No.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be too dismissive here because I
Speaker 1: don't know where this is going to go. But I mean,
Speaker 1: is this video just about ladies of the evening Because
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's right, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that the second oldest profession. It's got
Speaker 1: to be something crazier than that, Like maybe they're trafficked
Speaker 1: or something like that, or they're they're not of age.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, it's got to be
Speaker 1: more than just you know, three oh four's right, that's
Speaker 1: not that's exists since the beginning.
Speaker 2: Of the world.
Speaker 7: This increases with every flight under your belt.
Speaker 5: Bizarrely, the videos themselves were filled with sexual innuendos.
Speaker 3: Anyone who claims that humans were not meant to fly
Speaker 3: never experienced the thrill of their own successful landing get
Speaker 3: Ready to Fly big Boy Airplane.
Speaker 5: They were clearly trying to be more than a little flirty,
Speaker 5: which goes hand in hand with the outfits that they
Speaker 5: were donning. Now, some might argue that this was a
Speaker 5: sign of times. In twenty eleven, edgy and over sexualized
Speaker 5: marketing was still very much in the norm, with several
Speaker 5: major companies building their entire brands around the approach. But
Speaker 5: the only problem here is that the videos made it
Speaker 5: unclear what ovul Loop was even supposed to be offering.
Speaker 5: Despite saying a lot, the lack of details made it
Speaker 5: entirely and ineffective, like the business itself was an afterthought,
Speaker 5: with the focus instead being on these women. In fact,
Speaker 5: even in the channel's description, they simply wrote meet avy
Speaker 5: Loop deal Attendants. This is the official page for a
Speaker 5: brand new company trying to promote it services, and that's
Speaker 5: all they had to say. That's how they marketed their
Speaker 5: entire company, making some wonder what was actually the role
Speaker 5: of these deal attendants and what was actually the purpose
Speaker 5: of avul Loop. The first and most likely theory at
Speaker 5: this point is that Avyloop was an overambitious company that
Speaker 5: used over sexualized marketing to build intrigue around its brand
Speaker 5: at a time when others were doing the same thing
Speaker 5: to great success. Maybe they weren't even off the ground.
Speaker 1: This just seems like of right of style arrangements before
Speaker 1: of is that what it is? Yeah? Like Girls Gone
Speaker 1: Wild but private Jet edition. I'm not trying to downplay
Speaker 1: like that. That's creeper, but you know there is there
Speaker 1: something more in terms of illegality going on here yea.
Speaker 5: And over promising on services that they ho to one
Speaker 5: day to be able to provide, but for the time
Speaker 5: being we're just throwing out there to get more people
Speaker 5: to visit their website. But with such a focus on
Speaker 5: these deal attendants and just how strange these videos come across,
Speaker 5: some were left with a different theory that rather than
Speaker 5: ovul Loop using sex to sell their service, maybe sex
Speaker 5: was their service. The theory goes that Ovyloop was affront
Speaker 5: for pornography or even prostitution, poorly hidden under the guise
Speaker 5: of this fake aeronautics company. This would explain the prominence
Speaker 5: of these deal attendants, as they themselves may have been
Speaker 5: the actresses or prostitutes, and it also explains the lack
Speaker 5: of information about the company itself as the reason their
Speaker 5: deals and services don't seem to make any sense.
Speaker 1: Jeff Steime Mcarolines. I like that one, Jeff Steme mcgaerlines.
Speaker 5: Was because they weren't actually offering them. It was all
Speaker 5: just to cover up and honestly, just going off the
Speaker 5: eye test. This is how the page comes across. But
Speaker 5: there are other details that make this theory a lot
Speaker 5: more compelling for starters. In numerous videos, they mention an
Speaker 5: unusual feature of their website that users can vote for
Speaker 5: their favorite deal attendant and win prizes as a result.
Speaker 6: You can even vote for your favorite deal attendant and win.
Speaker 5: Special prizes, with one of these special prizes later being
Speaker 5: revealed to be a one on one video call with
Speaker 5: one of these deal attendants. This show is that the
Speaker 5: deal attendants weren't just for marketing. They were a core
Speaker 5: part of the services offered to ovul Loop users, making
Speaker 5: one wonder what was actually happening on those video calls
Speaker 5: and was it perhaps something sexual? And it goes even deeper.
Speaker 1: Than that, uh duh, look, I mean obviously by now
Speaker 1: we can tell it is what do you.
Speaker 5: Mean, loud enough or even the dealer tendant to take notice.
Speaker 5: It's very unusual and certainly not a sound that could
Speaker 5: just accidentally happen on a typical film set, which makes
Speaker 5: it all the stranger that another inexplicable noise was heard
Speaker 5: in the background of a different video, and this one
Speaker 5: left viewers far more distressed.
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Speaker 7: to see more girls like me? Abi look can help,
Speaker 7: or to see more girls like me? Abi look can help?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've reached the point where I start calf maxon.
Speaker 1: Y'all know we at that point when I'm putting the
Speaker 1: calves up with cal maxin. So y'all help me out here.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the did we get to the goal?
Speaker 1: We're one super shot away from the goal? Y'all? Come
Speaker 1: on now? Yea all got a help? Oliga help me
Speaker 1: out right.
Speaker 5: Some believe that this is yet another sexual mom while
Speaker 5: others swear they can hear a specific word, the word help.
Speaker 5: It's incredibly concerning, especially if this prostitution theory is true.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just so many implications to it given
Speaker 5: the link.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, So I was wondering if it was
Speaker 1: going to get into like a trafficking angle. Let me
Speaker 1: hear that again, because to me it didn't sound like
Speaker 1: they were saying that, but also was sped up. So
Speaker 1: let's hear it. Let's see.
Speaker 5: Especially if this prostitution theory is true, I mean, there's
Speaker 5: just so many implications to it. All others swear they
Speaker 5: can hear a specific word, the word help.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's incredibly it was, it was kind of maybe
Speaker 1: we'll see. It's hard to.
Speaker 5: Tell concerning especially if this prostitution theory is true. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's just so many implications to it, given the link
Speaker 5: between prostitution and human trafficking. But again, this could all
Speaker 5: be part of the marketing. Maybe this was all just
Speaker 5: employe to get people to visit their website, roping you
Speaker 5: in with these sexualized, creepy, and even concerning videos that
Speaker 5: almost demand that you dig deeper. Well, if this is
Speaker 5: the case, then surely visiting their website would help put
Speaker 5: this mystery to ben.
Speaker 1: Oh is this going to go to Jeff Stin mcgaffrey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's a whole section of the video about Jeff
Speaker 1: Stime mcgirlines. Well I already knew about this. Did we
Speaker 1: already know this or did this guy just make a
Speaker 1: more in depth video? I thought we already all knew
Speaker 1: this At.
Speaker 5: The time these videos were uploaded back in twenty eleven,
Speaker 5: those visiting the ovo loop website would be met with
Speaker 5: the rather of mackluster experience. The whole page was dull
Speaker 5: and uninviting. It seem about as vaga as the video
Speaker 5: is promoting it. However, they did have an about section
Speaker 5: that attempted to describe the service more in depth. There
Speaker 5: they mentioned that the primary goal of ovy loop was safety,
Speaker 5: as they believe that making training and other aeronautic services
Speaker 5: more accessible could in turn, what.
Speaker 1: Do you mean it's all fake? It's there was a
Speaker 1: whole jeff Stein Airlines saying that came out. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is that, but that wasn't fake.
Speaker 5: What do you mean help prevent accidents? Which strangely was
Speaker 5: never even hinted at in their videos and it's never
Speaker 5: mentioned again on any other portion of the website. But
Speaker 5: it was in this about tame that they listed even
Speaker 5: more services that they claimed to provide, services like navigation equipment, headsets,
Speaker 5: and pilot vacations, among many other things. Basically, anything even
Speaker 5: remotely related to flying they sold it, at least claim to,
Speaker 5: and they consisted that they did so cheaper than anywhere
Speaker 5: else by using collective bargaining, a process that they would
Speaker 5: go into greater detail about. Basically, Abyloop acts as a
Speaker 5: third party partnering with aviation businesses to promote unique deals
Speaker 5: on their sites. Each of these deals as a quote,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: The websites definitely look super frickin cheap and fake as hell.
Speaker 1: Look at that, dude? Is that there is that the
Speaker 1: website or like their fake ass fakebook Facebook profile, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That must be hit for it to actually go through.
Speaker 5: So if enough people buy the deal, the quote has
Speaker 5: reached and everyone gets a voutcher to do or receive
Speaker 5: whatever they paid for. But if the deal doesn't reach
Speaker 5: its quota, then everyone is refunded and the deal is
Speaker 5: avoided without any cost to the users or the business.
Speaker 5: Avyloup was the middleman, which could explain how they managed
Speaker 5: to offer such impressive deals in such diverse services, though
Speaker 5: again this is just what they were saying begging the question.
Speaker 5: Was anything actually being sold on pavylup dot com. Well,
Speaker 5: there actually was. The deals were sorted by general locations,
Speaker 5: and most consisted of flying lessons, museum trips, or even
Speaker 5: temporary tattoos. However, there was something unusual about these lips.
Speaker 1: I mean they're selling the chicks, dude, looks like obvious.
Speaker 1: Now what do you mean? What's y'all a.
Speaker 2: Stings.
Speaker 5: Bizarrely, almost every deal on the site was markedez completed,
Speaker 5: each having ended in nineteen sixty nine, which obviously was impossible.
Speaker 5: There were only a select few deals throughout the entire
Speaker 5: website's history that were ever even active, and even then
Speaker 5: there didn't seem to be aware.
Speaker 1: I must get ahead a little bit. This website part
Speaker 1: is boring supposure.
Speaker 5: Adding a deal attendant has the potential of making it
Speaker 5: viral on social media sites. Promotions that include a video
Speaker 5: tend to be extra successful. There's a lot to impact
Speaker 5: here for starters. This explains how ovulop makes their money.
Speaker 5: They're basically charging companies to run ads using these deal attendants,
Speaker 5: and the videos on their channel are examples of what
Speaker 5: these ads would look like. Though calling them professional is
Speaker 5: extremely generous, and I can't imagine any companies actually wanting
Speaker 5: to use the service, and given that these are the
Speaker 5: only videos that they shared, I don't think many, if any,
Speaker 5: actually did extremely sexual in nature. They were meant to
Speaker 5: mimic pilot stripes and be put on your shirtless shoulders
Speaker 5: with a package reading when a uniform just won't do,
Speaker 5: and the description hadding all sorts of innuendos appears so fake,
Speaker 5: but that doesn't inherently mean that they were actually involved
Speaker 5: in pornography or prostitution. I mean, despite all these innu windos,
Speaker 5: there is no direct mention of the sale of sex
Speaker 5: anywhere on the website from what I could see, And unfortunately,
Speaker 5: much of the website is lost of time, as in
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen in the site would go down, replaced by
Speaker 5: another random URL, making it impossible to know what this
Speaker 5: platform was actually like for those who signed up for it.
Speaker 5: What were they actually being offered, what were they discussing
Speaker 5: amongst themselves, and what happened on these video calls. It's
Speaker 5: all unknown, as what I've shown is pretty much all
Speaker 5: I was able to salvage from the way back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this a merely It seems like obviously
Speaker 1: some sort of criminal operation running out of a front right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get it to the next part.
Speaker 5: It comes across like a sham website, void of any
Speaker 5: notable information. With one exception, there was a single new
Speaker 5: addition to the site, as at the very bottom you
Speaker 5: could find a short bio not of a deal attendant,
Speaker 5: but of a legitimate pilot named Nadia Marinco, the creator
Speaker 5: of avu Loop.
Speaker 1: This is mar Senko, not Marinco.
Speaker 5: Coppilation is huge, as Nadia Moreenco was a well known
Speaker 5: and extremely successful pilot, which makes avul Loop all the
Speaker 5: more confusing, as you would think that her involvement in
Speaker 5: the company would help legitimize it and make could seem
Speaker 5: more likely that avul Loop was a real company after all,
Speaker 5: But instead it actually did the exact opposite, so that wasn't.
Speaker 1: Thus the check connected to Jeff's line.
Speaker 5: Involvement plunges this mystery into a whole new depth, a
Speaker 5: depth far darker than we've yet to discuss. Born in
Speaker 5: Czechoslovakia in nineteen eighty six, and Nadia had dedicated her
Speaker 5: younger years to model, lending multiple high profile roles in
Speaker 5: her country, and by the age of just fifteen, these
Speaker 5: roles led to her being moved to the United States
Speaker 5: to help continue this pudding career. But by twenty her
Speaker 5: interest had shifted to a different kind of runway. She
Speaker 5: became obsessed with flying and had a natural talent for
Speaker 5: it too, quickly rising through the ranks and gaining certifications
Speaker 5: faster than most others could at that age.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I recognize her face because she's on
Speaker 1: the thumbnail of the video and she was tied to
Speaker 1: the Jeff stain McCaffrey stone.
Speaker 5: By twenty five, she was considered extremely accomplished for someone
Speaker 5: so young, and her resume would soon reach a wider
Speaker 5: audience when she began leveraging social media. She posted videos
Speaker 5: under the alias Gulf String Girl and eventually Global Girl,
Speaker 5: where she marketed herself as a supermodel turned pilot, which
Speaker 5: worked to the tune of millions of views. Natti Marinco
Speaker 5: was a star in the aviation world and on social
Speaker 5: media too, and it was during the height of the
Speaker 5: success that she started Avi Loop. It clearly wasn't meant
Speaker 5: to be something.
Speaker 1: So she started it interesting and let's get over here
Speaker 1: to the the real meat.
Speaker 5: Of the video listening and for curing miners for prostitution.
Speaker 1: She was involved in trafficking women and children over to
Speaker 1: Little Saint James.
Speaker 5: In case you're somehow unaware, Jeffrey Epstein is the most
Speaker 5: prolific pedophile and human trafficker, maybe of all time. He
Speaker 5: carried out a large scale human trafficking operation, bringing children
Speaker 5: to his private islands that he and other elites exploited
Speaker 5: in horrific ways. It's considered one of Epstein's victims. He
Speaker 5: found her through her modeling job when she was just
Speaker 5: a teenager, and she didn't just come to the United
Speaker 5: States for work, Epstein himself brought her.
Speaker 1: I knew it so just like a movie, solved the
Speaker 1: case within two minutes. Uh, what do you guys think? Hot?
Speaker 1: Y'all were like, how do you know he already knew?
Speaker 1: I didn't ean what I promise I didn't watched the yet.
Speaker 5: After allegedly purchasing her from her father, what followed was
Speaker 5: Nadia becoming his self described sex slave. It's a horrible
Speaker 5: and unimaginable fate. But while Nadia appeared to have been
Speaker 5: a victim of Epstein, that wasn't all she was, as
Speaker 5: after becoming an adult, she also became Epstein's accomplice. When
Speaker 5: Epstein was first investigated by all Deny back in the
Speaker 5: two thousands, many of his victims came forward and claimed
Speaker 5: that Nadio was not only present for their use, but
Speaker 5: she was a willing participant there too, satisfy Epstein's criminal
Speaker 5: sexual desires by on occasion, directly participating as a US
Speaker 5: Prussian of the minor girls. Now, Epstein was eventual given
Speaker 5: a sweetheart deal for these crimes in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 5: which led to him serving just thirteen months in prison,
Speaker 5: and as part of that deal, Na he was given
Speaker 5: complete immunity, meaning she never.
Speaker 1: I think, and she disappeared like she's probably a witness
Speaker 1: production or.
Speaker 5: Something, faced any sort of free perussions for her use
Speaker 5: of children. But despite being a free woman, by the
Speaker 5: time that Epstein was thrown in jail, she stood by
Speaker 5: a side living in his New York City home, waiting
Speaker 5: for his release, and while he was behind bars, Nadia
Speaker 5: would visit him roughly seventy times. These two were deeply connected, so.
Speaker 1: She was still like running the running shit that he
Speaker 1: couldn't run while he was in there.
Speaker 5: Well after she was his slave, with naughty, even making
Speaker 5: a scrap book for Epstein, which is just so terrifying
Speaker 5: that I had to at least mention it in this video.
Speaker 5: It would be several years later, in twenty twelve, a
Speaker 5: time when Nadia had long since left Epstein's home and
Speaker 5: his control, that Nadia would rejoin his operation, this time
Speaker 5: with a brand new role. She became one of Epstein's pilots,
Speaker 5: taking victims and perpetrators alike to and from the island
Speaker 5: on the plane they dubbed the Lolita Express, what happened
Speaker 5: on the.
Speaker 6: Later express everything, what happened on the Express and his
Speaker 6: other plans was the same thing that happened in his
Speaker 6: bedrooms and the massage rooms. The abuse did not stop
Speaker 6: because we're in the air. Jeffy couldn't take a two
Speaker 6: hour flight without having to ejaculate. Like, that's how sick
Speaker 6: this man was.
Speaker 5: Nadia Marinco was directly trafficking children for Epstein. And she
Speaker 5: was doing this in twenty twelve, mere months after she
Speaker 5: started Abby Loop, which.
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Speaker 1: What do we got now? One six hundred videos to
Speaker 1: get to start working? He best to get the work, Son,
Speaker 1: since you're new around here, but welcome, Fernando. So for
Speaker 1: ten dollars. Besides Pasco, what's your favorite service Sunday or
Speaker 1: Saint Gregory Palamas in Lent, he says Dormian Vesper's goat
Speaker 1: minus Nativity Dormion, I like the trim of Orthodoxy too,
Speaker 1: Peter White five dollars. It's quite sus that the Protestant
Speaker 1: grifters know more about Islam than they do about Christianity. Ooh,
Speaker 1: that's a great point, real quick, while I'm while I'm
Speaker 1: on the subject, and shout out to some of my
Speaker 1: friends for hitting me to this point. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: if someone believed what might be going on. And now
Speaker 1: I think this makes perfect sense. So the question is
Speaker 1: what made Rouselan suddenly so fussy about all of this? Right,
Speaker 1: Because Rouselan himself admits that he had a change of
Speaker 1: mind in the last month, right, and that's what spurned
Speaker 1: the Catechumen being pitted against the you know, Gavin Ortland
Speaker 1: and Trent Horn. But what exactly caused the change in
Speaker 1: Ruslan's mind to be going in this direction? And I
Speaker 1: think we figured it out. So it turns out that
Speaker 1: every time that he's had Orthodox people on, and that
Speaker 1: includes he's had me, he said Neil and Jonathan Page,
Speaker 1: he said, Father Desiah, He's had Father Peter hears On.
Speaker 1: He's not realized until after having all of us on,
Speaker 1: that we're not an ecumenist church. Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: Rouzlan originally thought that. His thought was, how can I
Speaker 1: increase my market reach. Oh, here's this whole group of orthos.
Speaker 1: I'll reach out to them and then they'll be part
Speaker 1: of my audience as well. So he's thinking about it
Speaker 1: as we all know as a marketer. Right. Well, he
Speaker 1: starts having all the orthos on, and he realizes that
Speaker 1: they don't teach a humanist, lowest common denominator Christianity. They
Speaker 1: don't teach mere Christianity. So then he realized that, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, their exclusivity claims are not going to work
Speaker 1: with my marketing approach. But that's not all. He realized
Speaker 1: that when you go to the comments of the videos
Speaker 1: with the Orthodox, all of the comments are how they're
Speaker 1: becoming Orthodox. Let's look at these comments. It's about becoming
Speaker 1: This is the best line in this video. I'm being
Speaker 1: baptized in Orthodox Church next month. I left Protestantism one
Speaker 1: thousand and three. Inner likes Orthodox is so deep. I'm
Speaker 1: becoming Orthodox. I'm former Presbyterian becoming Orthodox. I'm becoming Orthodox
Speaker 1: like the first fifty comments are about becoming Orthodox. I
Speaker 1: would say, right, I converted Orthodoxy. I love it. I
Speaker 1: just became a catechumen Right. Orthodoxy has the best misunderstanding. Greetings,
Speaker 1: I'm a Greek Orthodox Orthodox Orthodox Orthodox Orthodox Orthodox Orthodox
Speaker 1: Orthodox Right. Rouslan realized that the comments are not amenable
Speaker 1: to what he wants. The comments are about Orthodoxy. Let's
Speaker 1: see if if it's the same on Rouselm with Father Trenham.
Speaker 1: So if you're come into the church, you're gonna see
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. I'm a new Orthodox convert. I'm fifty
Speaker 1: years old. I'm on my way to Orthodoxy out of atheism.
Speaker 1: I'm becoming Orthodox. More and more people are coming to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: These are the top comments. I was Protestant, now I'm Orthodox.
Speaker 1: So I think my thesis now. And this is a
Speaker 1: shout out to my friends who hit me. To this point,
Speaker 1: Rouselan realized all the times that he bought brought the
Speaker 1: Orthodox people on, and they went against his dumb assumption
Speaker 1: that we all would say, you know, an acumenist yed bro,
Speaker 1: we all got to just get along, dude, it's all
Speaker 1: the same church. He realized, Oh, they don't believe that
Speaker 1: and even their top dudes that I bring on don't
Speaker 1: believe that, and they don't support my marketing goals. That
Speaker 1: is why he has now decided that all the Orthos
Speaker 1: are actually bad. I've also been told from some inside
Speaker 1: sources that these Goobers are all coordinating. They have either
Speaker 1: telegram or discord groups, and all the Goobers are working
Speaker 1: together now to fight the Orthodox. Now wait a minute.
Speaker 1: If you are an Acumenist and a Lowest Common Denominator believer,
Speaker 1: then you have to believe that Orthodoxy is also part
Speaker 1: of the Lowest Common Denominator church, right, Because they're saying
Speaker 1: you can go to the Messianic Synagogue, right, Well, if
Speaker 1: the Messianic Synagogue counts in their lcdview, obviously Orthodoxy counts.
Speaker 1: So even if Orthodoxy is exclusivist, it shouldn't matter to them, right.
Speaker 1: But then we start to realize the fact that it
Speaker 1: does matter to them shows that they are actually exclusivists themselves.
Speaker 1: So we have figured we have solved the mystery. Rouselan
Speaker 1: realizes that the comments are all pro Orthodox, So that's
Speaker 1: why he had to switch away from having Orthodox people
Speaker 1: come on to Christian TMZ. Literally his whole channel is
Speaker 1: Christian TMZ. Rousselan quit having Orthodox people on. Did you
Speaker 1: notice that after who is al? I don't know who
Speaker 1: The last one was. It was either me or maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, it wasn't Pagoe. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't count the This dude is Orthodox, right, So
Speaker 1: Rouselan is still presenting the Orientals as if they're Orthodox,
Speaker 1: and they're not, so I don't count that dude. Instead,
Speaker 1: what he's done is his fake panel of Orthodox versus.
Speaker 1: Notice this. Remember it wasn't a debate, according to Ruslan,
Speaker 1: and now he's got it tagged as versus, so we believe.
Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't a debate though, but now it's
Speaker 1: Klok versus Orthodox versus Protestant. That's adversarial language Rusalan. So
Speaker 1: notice this actually shows that the truth is out and
Speaker 1: Rouselan actually was lying it was a debate because now
Speaker 1: he's got the adversarial language up Catholic versus Orthodox versus Protestant.
Speaker 1: So he intentionally put a categ cumin up. Everybody's said,
Speaker 1: why are you putting catechumens against seasoned debaters. He said,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a debate. It wasn't debate. It wasn't adversarial
Speaker 1: relationship versus is adversarial, dummy, And originally it said debate
Speaker 1: and he blamed it on his employees. Remember that. So again,
Speaker 1: Ruslan is just a total liar and he's a total
Speaker 1: marketing grifter to be fair, or Rusland just had an
Speaker 1: Orthodox priest on. No, that dude is not an Orthodox priest.
Speaker 1: You're talking about this deacon. This deacon is an Oriental.
Speaker 1: He's a schismatic and Rouslan intentionally is putting the Orientals
Speaker 1: on because he thinks he's so Dummi thinks that because
Speaker 1: there's people who claim to be Orthodox, that that's a
Speaker 1: proof against Orthodoxy's exclusivity. This is how it's low tier.
Speaker 1: He is. That dude is not Orthodox. That's the schismatic
Speaker 1: deacon that confronted Philip Nectel knucklehead or whatever. Otherwise, I mean,
Speaker 1: Rouslan is basically a Christian. It's just like drama. So
Speaker 1: he had Neil and Pajoe on two years ago. He's
Speaker 1: still doing these, by the way, watch our uh we
Speaker 1: clip this. We clipped this, by the way into a
Speaker 1: full sort of documentary two hour documentary thing documenting his
Speaker 1: lives and bull crap. So here is the Downfall of
Speaker 1: rouslan video if you want the full clipped version of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what's going on. So now we know
Speaker 1: the mysteries of Ruslan Peter No Cameron, ten dollars rousselin
Speaker 1: thinking about how much church plants he could set up
Speaker 1: in the back rooms? How do I monetize these backrooms?
Speaker 1: By the way, here's the full avy loop video. Did
Speaker 1: I need to watch anything anything else in the video
Speaker 1: or did I get basically the I knew within like
Speaker 1: a minute, dude, I knew that's what it was. I'm
Speaker 1: a good detective, dude. Come on, now, I'm the movie detective. Bro.
Speaker 1: Have they made an actual good back rooms video game? Yet?
Speaker 1: That seems like it would be interesting. I know there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of I saw a bunch of like ten
Speaker 1: dollars ones on PlayStation five shop, but they look crappy.
Speaker 1: So is there any of them that are actually good?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like how this one's like the
Speaker 1: portal to the back rooms like in Stranger Things, right,
Speaker 1: and you go in there and it's the first contact,
Speaker 1: And what's up with everybody ripping them off? To like everybody?
Speaker 1: Just I mean, you can do your own versions of it, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like there's like a million different channels that did
Speaker 1: the exact same thing that he did. The pool rooms.
Speaker 1: I saw the pool rooms? Is that actually fun? I mean,
Speaker 1: don't you just run around? You don't really it's cool? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll check out that one. I almost played that one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was any good or not.
Speaker 1: So you're saying Ruseline, Yeah, I think heres was the
Speaker 1: most recent orthodox person Rousalin had on Ooh, what's creeping
Speaker 1: me out?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Teen good says or fight Hours. Do anyone remember Marble Hornets?
Speaker 1: That's the slender Man series? Yeah, I remember slender Man.
Speaker 1: Ethan Goff Fight Dollars. I bought esther Hollywood, But I
Speaker 1: have a problem. I don't know how to read it's
Speaker 1: I'm the cat fight dollars. Mirror's edge is a liminal aesthetics. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've heard of that Casper Gas fight dollars. I'm a
Speaker 1: Nick Crowley fan. I watched his video on Obviuolupe. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, you need to watch it. He
Speaker 1: has several videos on liminal spaces. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: well thing had already closed out the video. What does
Speaker 1: he say about that? Dang, he's got a bunch of videos. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's see, did y'all like my philosophical uh breakdown? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: he does have a bunch hair. Let's say what he says.
Speaker 5: Our world truly is a terrifying place. And I don't
Speaker 5: think there's ever been a more relevant time in this
Speaker 5: channel's history to make a statement like that. But one
Speaker 5: of the things that has always scared me the most
Speaker 5: about this world is when it glitches. That plain looks
Speaker 5: like it's just what happens when you glitch out of
Speaker 5: reality completely. Well, if this happens to you, you may
Speaker 5: find yourself in a place where no man should ever go,
Speaker 5: a never ending prison of rooms that exists outside our world.
Speaker 5: That's now your new home. And if it sounds scary,
Speaker 5: maybe you'll take comfort in knowing that at least you
Speaker 5: won't be alone. To four chan, that caught the attention
Speaker 5: of many, the picture was of what we now know
Speaker 5: as the back rooms. Something about it, the emptiness, the
Speaker 5: tone just gave people bad vibes and summed up the
Speaker 5: photo was incredibly unsettling. Along with a photo, a caption
Speaker 5: was added.
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy that just this one photo created this whole,
Speaker 1: this whole lore, and now it's like hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of views and it's going to be a motion picture.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy that this this random image
Speaker 1: here caught on.
Speaker 5: Just give people bad vibes.
Speaker 1: By the way, I took a really I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I was. I'm not trying to do that, like I
Speaker 1: was doing this wed before anyone else. I took a
Speaker 1: really cool liminal space image a long time ago on
Speaker 1: my Instagram. I'll have to try to try to find it,
Speaker 1: try to find it, dig it up. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It was. I was driving to Texas in like twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen and there was this really really creepy looking abandoned
Speaker 1: factory and I pulled over and took a picture of it.
Speaker 1: It looks really neat, I'll say, if I can dig
Speaker 1: it up for you guys.
Speaker 5: Was added that claimed that the back rooms go on
Speaker 5: for an impossible distance in every room looks the same.
Speaker 5: It has said that there are a few ways to
Speaker 5: wind up trapped in these back rooms. Some say that
Speaker 5: they can be accessed through your dreams or even seeing
Speaker 5: envisions because of it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's by the way, why the back rooms would
Speaker 1: be associated with or connected to the collective unconscious, right,
Speaker 1: Because when you're dreaming, you're going into your inner world,
Speaker 1: your inner framework, which is I think actually kind of
Speaker 1: structured like a house, or structured like some kind of world.
Speaker 1: And I've had a theory about that for a long time.
Speaker 1: But and the reason I think that is because a
Speaker 1: lot of my dreams, especially when they're recurring dreams, there's
Speaker 1: like areas and places that you can return to and
Speaker 1: then explore new areas past those areas, right, kind of
Speaker 1: like in an open world video game when the map's
Speaker 1: gray and then you go into the new area and
Speaker 1: you've discovered new areas. My dreams are that way. So
Speaker 1: I think that there's probably something to the inner world
Speaker 1: actually structured that way, and that's why it resonates with
Speaker 1: what people see in the back rooms.
Speaker 5: This Many claim to recognize the picture and even felt
Speaker 5: some sort of nostalgic fear when seeing it, but others
Speaker 5: claim that the only true way to get there is
Speaker 5: much more difficult, and it requires a tremendous amount of luck,
Speaker 5: or perhaps, in this case, the exact opposite. It's theorized
Speaker 5: that every object we interact with in this world is
Speaker 5: clipped to our reality. So for example, when you bump
Speaker 5: into a wall, you collide with it and you bounce
Speaker 5: off of it. But going back to glitches and our reality,
Speaker 5: it is said that on occasion, objects within our world
Speaker 5: will no clip. This is something that happens often in
Speaker 5: video games where part of the map becomes no clipped
Speaker 5: and you bump into it, you go right through it,
Speaker 5: and you sometimes end up falling right off the map.
Speaker 5: There your player is stuck still inside the game, but
Speaker 5: in an endless void beneath the map. In the real world,
Speaker 5: people believe that some objects can become no coals.
Speaker 1: By the way, when you're playing a game, it sucks
Speaker 1: like it's awful when that happens because you always have
Speaker 1: to turn it off. You can never get out of
Speaker 1: that shit obviously, which is what makes it shitty, right.
Speaker 1: But check out as Liminal Lands with nextpo Was this
Speaker 1: the one the video you're talking about? No, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a different video. Okay, I'll find that one. Next.
Speaker 1: Parker thoughts on Kadriannau. I don't know much about that.
Speaker 1: I haven't read much about it. I still haven't gotten
Speaker 1: into it, so I don't know Eugene ten dollars, Shae
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Speaker 1: Kodak and the end of Metal Gear Solid. It prophesied
Speaker 1: the rise of a digital censorship in this area. I've
Speaker 1: heard people saying for years that Metal Gear Solid was
Speaker 1: very prophetic. I only played part of the first one
Speaker 1: because my body that passed away. He was a big
Speaker 1: fan of it, and I played it with him a
Speaker 1: little bit, and I just never got into it beyond
Speaker 1: that game. Tiger Green Tiger twenty dollars. I got your
Speaker 1: book in the mail. I'm so excited. Do you think
Speaker 1: that the new war movies that come out, like Michael
Speaker 1: Bay's new movie and the New World War two movie
Speaker 1: or predicted programming, they could be I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of movies are I didn't I don't know what Michael
Speaker 1: Bay's new movie is or what the New World War
Speaker 1: two movie is. I will say though, that the new
Speaker 1: Resident Evil looks very fascinating. This will be the first
Speaker 1: time that perhaps the critics are going to like a
Speaker 1: Resident Evil movie. I mean, I'm a fan, just kind
Speaker 1: of a guilty pleasure. I like all the Resident Evil movies,
Speaker 1: but the new one is uh, the whitest kid, you know,
Speaker 1: guy that did weapons is doing it, and it actually
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be like it might actually
Speaker 1: be a critically acclaimed horror movie. It looks it looks
Speaker 1: pretty good. I'd to say, the Zach Gregor guy. So
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to the new Resident Evil. All right,
Speaker 1: I gotta get these super chests going here because I'm
Speaker 1: starting to melt down and get mush minded. Josiah Mandy
Speaker 1: is the best Nick Cage film? Oh? Good? Question? Is
Speaker 1: that the best Nick Cage Maybe probably some subjectivity is
Speaker 1: going to come into that one, because it's hard to say,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely up there. It's definitely up there. I
Speaker 1: mean Bringing Out the Dead is pretty good too, though,
Speaker 1: But then so is Bad Lieutenant. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of bangers. Man, he's he's he's really good.
Speaker 1: Storm of the Cat. The multiplayer maps in Halo Combat
Speaker 1: Evolved are liminal interesting. I haven't played Halo in like
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Dude Ethan two dollars Room fourteen oh eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be constant Dootal two dollars. Possessor was good.
Speaker 1: It was all right, I was I was expecting more
Speaker 1: Cara five dollars. The most liminal space movie is Stalker. Ooh,
Speaker 1: good point. Now, for whatever reason, I have to brag
Speaker 1: because it didn't get promoted in the algorithm. But we've
Speaker 1: done podcasts with Andre Tarkowski's son, so I've on Stalker
Speaker 1: at a in depth level and everybody forgets this and
Speaker 1: nobody watched it when it should be like of freaking
Speaker 1: zillion views, and we only got thirteen thousand views. So
Speaker 1: here's me with father Vladimir. We do an entire two
Speaker 1: hour mini documentary almost with Andre Tarkowski Junior on Stalker. Hello,
Speaker 1: this should have like a million views. It's got thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand views. But thank you for reminding me. Yes, that
Speaker 1: is definitely a liminal space horror. Great point. Tar Plants,
Speaker 1: tar Plantiffs. The Tank is an interesting movie. It's a
Speaker 1: mix of back room stuff with World War two interesting.
Speaker 1: The Tank, Brizztol Fight dollars. Jack Murphy is the The
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Speaker 1: Is anyone watching Destiny's Schizo arc You might have covered it.
Speaker 1: It's funny I did mention that a few months ago.
Speaker 1: Is he still on that schizo arc? I don't keep
Speaker 1: up with destiny canonical ten dollars. The counter is broken.
Speaker 1: We actually broke your goal. Eight chats ago. Uh cool? Well,
Speaker 1: actually I like the idea of a broken counter because
Speaker 1: then you guys, you guys just keep doing it, y'all,
Speaker 1: just could give it some chat spot y'all. That's wild, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you bring out the wig and me ten good five
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Speaker 1: to refresh on my end. Let me see what happens
Speaker 1: if I refresh it. I wonder if the goal has
Speaker 1: to do with does that actually have to be a
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Speaker 1: Good luck on the coming big interview. Thank you good
Speaker 1: this weekend, big one coming this weekend. Y y'all helping
Speaker 1: me pay for it right now? Nick Dick Wiener Ruslan
Speaker 1: is running the Goober industrial Complex. He part of that
Speaker 1: gic Son Jon five dollars. If all these grifters converted
Speaker 1: Orthodoxy and they came out, would you be worried that
Speaker 1: they were infiltrating? Yeah? I think what would have to
Speaker 1: happen is just like with like certain sins and proclivities
Speaker 1: like it would prevent you from immediately monetizing. I'm serious, right,
Speaker 1: that would be the norm. Tingu twenty dollars. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you will never sink one hundred hours into any
Speaker 1: anime or anime video game. But Persona deals with collective
Speaker 1: unconscious called mementos. Yeah, it's on my list of games
Speaker 1: to try. I'll definitely try it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'll stick it out, but yeah, I'm familiar. Sean Patrick
Speaker 1: five dollars. We are the Dreamers of Dreams. Name that movie.
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar. I'm just tired. I'm forgetting because it's
Speaker 1: late into the evenings. Wigan Nationalism five dollars from the
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Speaker 1: There's something off putting about the aesthetic of the seventies
Speaker 1: all the way into the nineties. I don't know all
Speaker 1: the way into the nineties, but I mean, I think
Speaker 1: seventies aesthetics is pretty gross. Eighties is gaudy and wacky,
Speaker 1: but I like it because I grew up with it.
Speaker 1: Nineties is weird and all over the place, but I
Speaker 1: also kind of like it. And there's a huge diversity
Speaker 1: between early nineties and late nineties. There's moisture in the air,
Speaker 1: there's emptiness. It's hard to explain. Thank you for this dream.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love these culture streams where we go
Speaker 1: off in the different directions. Katino five dollars, Ashtar Sharn
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Speaker 1: spoke ex Cathedral from the Galactic Federation. But is this false?
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Speaker 1: Toys with Robin Williams is not horror, but it's very limital. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's also trippy and it seems like mk ultra And
Speaker 1: we've been meaning to go back to toys for a
Speaker 1: long time because I I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: even seen the whole the whole film. It's freaking do
Speaker 1: what how much acid were they doing when they made
Speaker 1: that movie? Look at this trippy ship they watched this, Yo, Dude,
Speaker 1: that's trippy as hell. Bro. For real, man, who put
Speaker 1: acid in my my alps? Yo, Tucker, don't put a
Speaker 1: bunch of LSD in my alves. Yo, dude, that's trippy
Speaker 1: as hell. Bro. We gotta do this movie for you
Speaker 1: want to know what LSD is like. That's like those
Speaker 1: right here? Did this is what it's like? Is it
Speaker 1: like Willie Walker? I don't even know what it's about.
Speaker 1: It definitely seems like mk ultra based though, Is that
Speaker 1: Robin Wright John Cusack? Yeah, this would be weird to
Speaker 1: watch now. I bet you one hundred. This is some
Speaker 1: straight up LSD in kultup mind control see Williams Fight Dollars,
Speaker 1: liminal space, mind space my mental Machinist Donny Darko. To
Speaker 1: a degree, I'm like the one person that doesn't like Memento.
Speaker 1: I know, I've heard a million times that I need
Speaker 1: to like it, and I've given it like three chances.
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. I don't like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad movie, it's just not I don't
Speaker 1: find it fun. Machinist is hard to watch. I love
Speaker 1: Donnie Darko. Tingu fifty dollars just because I love you.
Speaker 1: Jay Safe Travels. Thank you Tingou much. Appreciate you guys
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Speaker 1: I'm not an anime hater. I'm just also not super
Speaker 1: into anime. I've always been kind of neutral on anime like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really bother me. A lot of dudes are
Speaker 1: weird that are into it, but it also doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: But see, I grew up only with Ghosts in the Shell,
Speaker 1: which I like, Miohyazaki movies. I liked all those, but
Speaker 1: I've never gotten into the other ones. I just keep
Speaker 1: forgetting to do it. I know, Neon Genesis, Evangelium, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. I've got like a list of all the
Speaker 1: ones that all the bros have told me for many years.
Speaker 1: I will do it, I promise eventually. Straight white mail
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Speaker 1: by everybody. He is dumb. Now apparently he wants to debate.
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical that this will actually happen, but I'm told
Speaker 1: through third parties that he wants to do a public
Speaker 1: formal debate. Okay, we'll see. I'll believe it when it happens.
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Speaker 5: That from reality, a wall will appear darker than the
Speaker 5: others around it, or you'll find a door that you're
Speaker 5: certain there should be nothing on the other side. If
Speaker 5: you have a keen eye, you can notice these things
Speaker 5: and avoid them at all costs.
Speaker 1: I dare say this might be the best back rooms analysis.
Speaker 1: I'm not hating on Nick Crowley. He's doing good stuff.
Speaker 1: I've seen some about three videos I like now from
Speaker 1: Nick Crowley. I'm not hating on it, but I mean
Speaker 1: this stuff is sort of a more of a pop
Speaker 1: audience stuff, and we just went like super deep, dude,
Speaker 1: we went deeper than the other philosophy brod that just
Speaker 1: did a big great he did a great analysis. I
Speaker 1: mean that is analysis was what inspired this analysis. But
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I could take this analysis to
Speaker 1: another level. I think we did.
Speaker 5: That nothing of the implications that are soon to come.
Speaker 5: And much like a character in a video game, if
Speaker 5: you interact with a non clipped object, you fall off
Speaker 5: a map, and one could imagine that it's incredibly confusing
Speaker 5: and terrifying to go from there.
Speaker 1: You're noticing how everybody is explaining reality now. According to
Speaker 1: video games Gamification right, that was one of the key
Speaker 1: points in my analysis.
Speaker 5: Existing in one world to instantly being dropped into another
Speaker 5: with nothing but millions of square miles of empty rooms
Speaker 5: on either side of you. But this is your reality now,
Speaker 5: and it's where your journey into the back rooms begins.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that there was originally, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's still the case positive to be three levels
Speaker 1: of the back room because an ancient Greek mythology, reality
Speaker 1: was three tiered like that. Right, you had the underworld,
Speaker 1: you had this world, and you have the world the gods.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: Level zero is a maze of monotone yellow rooms, each
Speaker 5: looking the same as the last, with only the slightest
Speaker 5: of variations. The carpet that covers a level is moist
Speaker 5: and creates a persisting scent. In the beginning, the only
Speaker 5: sounds that can be heard is the consistent loud buzzing
Speaker 5: of the old fluorescent lights. As you walk through the rooms,
Speaker 5: you'll start to realize how big the area actually is.
Speaker 5: Every room just leads to another and another. You start
Speaker 5: to wonder how big of an area could this actually be,
Speaker 5: and how could this even be possible. Many will start
Speaker 5: to run and sprint through the rooms, thinking that this
Speaker 5: might get them out of this maze faster, but it's
Speaker 5: no use, and after running around for seemingly an eternity,
Speaker 5: you'll finally realize that you're likely going to be stuck
Speaker 5: in here for a while.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like the Theseus story, right,
Speaker 1: because in the Theseus story, the labyrinth constantly changes and
Speaker 1: you can never get out of it. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a hell story, right. And then he the
Speaker 1: minotaur is the beast or the sort of satan of
Speaker 1: the labyrinth.
Speaker 5: This first level, and that's for a few reasons. Either
Speaker 5: they lose the will to carry on, or they encounter
Speaker 5: something while walking through these rooms. You may find yourself
Speaker 5: encountering humanoid creatures after walking for hours and maybe even days.
Speaker 5: Just imagine the horror of turning the corner and seeing
Speaker 5: something standing there, something that isn't human. These creatures are
Speaker 5: known as houmas, and he looked like disfigured humans who
Speaker 5: walk on all fours. They make a little rumbling noise.
Speaker 1: So the backrooms are just hell. This is just corporate hell.
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Speaker 1: in northern European they taught yakub before they left, exactly, Son,
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Speaker 1: would say that that is an acceptable form of comparative religion.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your live streams. That's awesome. Man. People think
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Speaker 1: Have you ever considered that the view of unconditional election
Speaker 1: predestination might be why Protestants don't need, don't care about
Speaker 1: false teaching. It could contributes to that, absolutely, especially if
Speaker 1: they're Calvinists, right, I mean a lot of Protestants are
Speaker 1: not very few Protestants are actually five point Calvinists in
Speaker 1: the total. But for the ones that are, that's probably
Speaker 1: why they don't. They don't. But I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: Ruslan's not a Calvinist. I don't think he has any
Speaker 1: of those types of views. DM five hundred RSDs? What's up?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Romax ten dollars? You heard the man? We
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Speaker 1: see the ode to Yakub? What is that? Is that?
Speaker 1: A song that sounds awesome? We'll see if we can
Speaker 1: find that. I'm liking Nick Crowley's videos though he's he's
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Speaker 1: let's see. Oh shit, do look at this? Rall? Oh
Speaker 1: macas all right, this looks fun. I'll give it to
Speaker 1: you guys in the chat, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: ding the copyright. This is a fire stream, son. I
Speaker 1: think we might get a lot of views on this
Speaker 1: because of the back rooms, so I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess up the algo if I
Speaker 1: play copyright music. Yeah, get out of here. You are here.
Speaker 1: You haters in the Chat are henceforth banished from the
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Speaker 1: his stink ass breath. I'm tired of Rouselan too. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you all just feeling it. Jacob says, for five dollars,
Speaker 1: I'm orthodoxical of you, Bron. I just want to reminisce
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Speaker 1: I was in that live chat. He gets like fifty
Speaker 1: viewers nowadays on his live stream. Thank you for destroying him.
Speaker 1: His content was actually stealing my face, making me naustic. Uh.
Speaker 1: Remember he said his channel was going to take over,
Speaker 1: he was gonna he was the future, and he was
Speaker 1: going to be like five hundred k, gonna be a
Speaker 1: million in no time. And uh, and you're saying it's
Speaker 1: fifty fifty people in his live stream, Armo slug five dollars.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Armenian apple Stock Church. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: unfortunately they're in schism, so they do have a lot
Speaker 1: of things in common with us, but they're also in schism,
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Speaker 1: with David Wood. He did really, really well good. I
Speaker 1: hear though that the whole chat was just like they're
Speaker 1: just pearl clutch They don't even care about theology, dude.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say, Like we're over here
Speaker 1: trying to do these high tier theology arguments and they're
Speaker 1: just pearl clutching about renting a Greek Orthodox fellowship hall
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Speaker 1: don't even care. JD. Five dollars. I'm curious if you
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Speaker 1: Do you know the Henry Nowak story Novak story? I don't.
Speaker 1: Is that probably something to do with like Islam and
Speaker 1: dystopia and Islam and Islam and the UK Henry Nowak
Speaker 1: abstract back rooms, nah Son, I'm trying to talk about
Speaker 1: a black room. We ain't ready to have this conversation yet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like the way you think. Jason Casselton ours. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched it a long time, But would you say
Speaker 1: Aeronovsky's Pie is a liminal space movie?
Speaker 2: Eh?
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say so. I mean it was definitely creepy.
Speaker 1: Uh And dude just goes dude, Pie was predicting all
Speaker 1: of these Gomatria tards. Pie is the exact exemplification of
Speaker 1: the Gomatria tards on the internet. Dude, I thought we
Speaker 1: was gonna have an easy fun stream. We might make
Speaker 1: a you know, a couple hundred dollars were almost out
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars tonight, y'all, Thank you so much. Y'all
Speaker 1: been super generous. All right, where was we at? Let's
Speaker 1: see back rooms By the end of the night, the
Speaker 1: scrolling thing does not work. Well, maybe that's the end
Speaker 1: of the super chests there, Jake Croat says, for twenty
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Speaker 1: cord to Sharday. Oh dude, let me try to make
Speaker 1: a note of that and do it on the next stream.
Speaker 1: I'm way too tired to.
Speaker 2: Do.
Speaker 1: We been in the back rooms for two hours. Man,
Speaker 1: the back rooms will suck your soul. Dr rift to Charday.
Speaker 1: What do you want me to wrap about for twenty
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Speaker 1: got rusele on fatigue around here, man, car russ up
Speaker 1: for three dollars, ay s, could you do a paranormal
Speaker 1: streamful on slap ham glops or whatever. Yes, it's been
Speaker 1: a while since we did a spooky stream. We've done
Speaker 1: about three or four and they're a blast. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to do more of that for sure, for show.
Speaker 1: For show, I'll make a note to do another spooky stream. Dude,
Speaker 1: wells this one count of as I put a spooky stream,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was in the backgrounds for two hours.
Speaker 1: That was spooky as hell. Spooky stream right here. Y'all
Speaker 1: want spooky streams, listen. If y'all request spooky streams, you
Speaker 1: gotta come do it, though, you got y'all gotta be here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a spooky stream for five
Speaker 1: hundred people. Y'all got to come show up. J money
Speaker 1: five dollars? Are you gonna switch to a PC? Jim
Speaker 1: Bob says you're boomer. I can't do it. I'm too boomer.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You should get FDA and a walkie talkie,
Speaker 1: I would actually be ironic and with hipster, I'll go
Speaker 1: full hipster and do an interview on a walkie talkie.
Speaker 1: That actually sounds pretty cool. I could trip out my
Speaker 1: guests that I'm interviewing my big guests this weekend. What
Speaker 1: if I What if I tripped her out and I
Speaker 1: was like, now we're doing this interview via a walkie talkie.
Speaker 1: She'd be like, what yo. She'd be like, make sense
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Speaker 1: it was called that. Let's see. No, it's not that
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Speaker 1: Look at that. We was scaring y'all. Too many of
Speaker 1: y'all got scared when we did the stream, right, So
Speaker 1: if you get bored after this and you need more
Speaker 1: of it, here's a whole other spooky stream. We did
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Speaker 1: it all sun right here. The only thing in this
Speaker 1: genre that I absolutely hate. I love spooky videos. I
Speaker 1: hate when they go into abandoned buildings and walk around
Speaker 1: with their go pro cameras and wait until somebody farts
Speaker 1: and then they claim it's a ghost. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hate those videos so much. I will never watch. I
Speaker 1: hate those will not watch Ghost Team videos. They're the stupidest,
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Speaker 1: Steve Gregg said on a Facebook group he would debate you.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell Steve greg is. Look
Speaker 1: here's the rules, y'all. If you got a small channel
Speaker 1: you call in. I don't do a formal debate with
Speaker 1: anybody with five hundred subs or one thousand subs, ten
Speaker 1: thousand subs. You don't get a formal debate. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to monetize these people. That's a joke. Malayas hereta korum.
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Speaker 1: he's dude, I do about to turn red. Bro He
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Speaker 1: do a spooky stream x Lockstep says for two dollars,
Speaker 1: I like shoes, I like money. Banana up the butt
Speaker 1: says for twenty dollars. Did you read Michael Hudson's book
Speaker 1: Super Imperialism? No, but I did read Eric Wahlberg's Postmodern Imperialism.
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Speaker 1: We listened to our audience around here. A lot of
Speaker 1: these a lot of these streamers don't even listen to
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Speaker 1: we did that. You got your boy Tristan over here
Speaker 1: retiring from the internet. Meanwhile, this is when he could
Speaker 1: come shine. This is his moment to shine, and he's
Speaker 1: retiring from the internet. Uh, but yeah, we have fun
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Speaker 1: We there, Benjamin five dollars. Look up Steve Greg He
Speaker 1: in a slouch. I didn't say he was a slouch.
Speaker 1: I said, does he have one hundred subscribers? He's debated
Speaker 1: James White, Aiken and Staples. I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I've already planned out like ten debates, dude, well not ten,
Speaker 1: like five, but I'm willing to bet that some of
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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you guys so much. Y'all been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun tonight. Josha's for two dollars. This is
Speaker 1: a win back room stream. Do you have a patron saint? Yes, Daniel,
Speaker 1: Prophet Daniel is my patron saint. I love these kinds
Speaker 1: of streams. I can't do this theology nerd shit every night,
Speaker 1: isn't crazy? Jay Long Finals, do you think Don young
Speaker 1: Don is kind of slow because he got his thing chopped? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's He seems impressionable because they
Speaker 1: easily convinced him, so he seems at least very impressionable.
Speaker 1: But I don't know young Don, so I can't say
Speaker 1: what all's going on other than like if you're convinced
Speaker 1: and people to get circumcised. I mean, they don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about the New Testament, like they haven't read the
Speaker 1: Book of i exe Galatians, Hebrews. I mean, guys, thank
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