Speaker 1: Going on and how chaotic things have been and just
Speaker 1: recently looking off the hills of like Johnny Depp and
Speaker 1: Amber Herd case, and like a lot of men being
Speaker 1: falsely accused of things and not really having a platform
Speaker 1: or really even a voice. Like when something's out there,
Speaker 1: we don't have any way to retract it without with
Speaker 1: you know, even if we have facts, sometimes they don't
Speaker 1: believe our facts. And I feel like I was really
Speaker 1: intrigued by your story. I feel like, you know, us,
Speaker 1: being in the mainstream world, we always hear all these things,
Speaker 1: but not all of them are ever true. So I
Speaker 1: definitely am happy that you are here to finally speak
Speaker 1: your truth because I feel like there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of people that, you know, when you've brought your truth
Speaker 1: to them, have tried to still shut you up and
Speaker 1: like not let you tell your story. So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's time for you to tell your story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's been it's been a hard road.
Speaker 2: I think that because of the Johnny Depp trial and stuff,
Speaker 2: I think that people are maybe a little more open
Speaker 2: to the fact that someone could possibly just lie male
Speaker 2: or female, could possibly just lie one the other person
Speaker 2: and really turned being a victim into being the I
Speaker 2: guess the aggressor, well, not the aggressor, but like more
Speaker 2: of a you know, the person that's victimizing, well, the villain.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There's always like a villain
Speaker 1: in every story. I feel like, you know, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was important too. Is like
Speaker 1: me being a female, me being in you know, the
Speaker 1: adult entertainment industry and now being a media outlet myself
Speaker 1: is you know, that's always there's been me two things.
Speaker 1: There's all these things where you know, you know, women
Speaker 1: are always side with women and you know, me myself
Speaker 1: is I've been in situations that haven't always been the
Speaker 1: best relationship wise. So I feel like I'm a devil's
Speaker 1: advocate where I like to hear the story from all
Speaker 1: points and I feel like, yeah, you're welcome, it's funny,
Speaker 1: but yees. So it's one of those things where it's
Speaker 1: like I feel like, because you get labeled as myself.
Speaker 1: Why I say labeled, you know, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to judge. I'm not here to you know, do
Speaker 1: any of that. And so I feel like it's the
Speaker 1: perfect time to kind of speak about a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's been going on for years now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, listen, how do you want.
Speaker 1: To jump into it? I like, I like how I
Speaker 1: threw you off at the adult entertainer was saying because
Speaker 1: one of those your accusations was that you owned a
Speaker 1: porn company. I've never was employed by you ever in life,
Speaker 1: so I've never seen you before today.
Speaker 2: Now that is that's interesting. You knew that one of
Speaker 2: the accusations. Let me let me go through some of
Speaker 2: the accusations maybe, like maybe I get to start there.
Speaker 2: I was never charged, So my accusations were I was
Speaker 2: a sex trafficker.
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's rewind dis a little bit. So
Speaker 1: I for everybody for private talk out there is you
Speaker 1: were in a very high profile relationship and accusations and things.
Speaker 1: When things went south, all these accusations were being made
Speaker 1: and these are some of the accusations that were made.
Speaker 2: Yes, I well, first of all, I was I was
Speaker 2: completely blindsided by it. You know, we had a normal
Speaker 2: what I would say normal. I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: a normal proceedings for divorce, but we were talking normal,
Speaker 2: there was no issues, and then out of the blue,
Speaker 2: I guess, given the lawyers that Melanie had gotten. They
Speaker 2: I think they told her, listen, we know how to
Speaker 2: clab her this guy and put him on his ass
Speaker 2: and you'll get what you want. And that was you know,
Speaker 2: you know, her getting all the financial in all of
Speaker 2: our money. And also she went a full custody of
Speaker 2: our daughter.
Speaker 1: So these are all things like so you you were
Speaker 1: how long were you in relationship?
Speaker 2: Married? About ten years?
Speaker 1: So married for ten years? You married for ten years?
Speaker 1: How long did it come to the point where you
Speaker 1: realized that this wasn't working for either one of you?
Speaker 1: Like you needed to have these conversations now, like what
Speaker 1: are we going to do? It's not just like we're
Speaker 1: like some Joe Schmoe you know couple. We have assets,
Speaker 1: we have you know, children, we have all these things
Speaker 1: in bed. How does that come up in an amical,
Speaker 1: you know, situation where you guys both already in other relationships.
Speaker 1: Did you just know that it just wasn't going to
Speaker 1: work and it was for the best interest? How does
Speaker 1: that start that conversation?
Speaker 2: I guess it was just I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: brought it up. I think that it was you know,
Speaker 2: mel had you know, a drug problem and an alcohol
Speaker 2: problem and her drug and alcohol problem. You know, it
Speaker 2: was a weird scenario because you know, she would just
Speaker 2: get wasted all the time, and everyone around her would.
Speaker 3: Was like, oh my god, she's okay, Like you know, these.
Speaker 1: Are known facts that she's had a drug and alcohol problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were inquired about it. Yeah, yeah, we were
Speaker 2: in quoted about it. I mean I had, you know,
Speaker 2: videos of Melanie do and cocaine around the kids, me
Speaker 2: yelling at her, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Like you know her and you.
Speaker 1: Never partacked in any of these incidences. Like as far
Speaker 1: as I partying.
Speaker 3: I never, No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, we're couples, you know, so one may
Speaker 1: do something but may not through the other.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't ever.
Speaker 2: I mean I have ten thousand email emails to the therapist,
Speaker 2: to her, to you know, just videos of it. And
Speaker 2: never once is it mentioned that I ever do drugs.
Speaker 2: I did all my drugs when I was younger.
Speaker 1: So you were just over the situation. You try to
Speaker 1: make it work. Ten years didn't work, you know, It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't going anywhere. So then literally just but I thought
Speaker 2: that we could do it peacefully.
Speaker 1: We had peaceful comers also starry to interrupt you. But
Speaker 1: you so being in a marriage like that, where are
Speaker 1: you automatically intertwined with business like were you part of
Speaker 1: like a business manager to her? Is that? Because you
Speaker 1: know there's other allegations. Was you controlled all her money?
Speaker 1: Anything that she did? She had to ask? You know
Speaker 1: all these things. Now, anybody you know that has money
Speaker 1: and in these industries there is a business manager or
Speaker 1: those things that are allotted to those things sometimes. So
Speaker 1: did it automatically take on that role?
Speaker 2: Or how did I wasn't the business manager? Mike Solbelman
Speaker 2: and alex You were?
Speaker 1: She controlled the finances.
Speaker 3: Well, we had.
Speaker 2: Joint bank accounts, so we joint bank accounts. But alex You,
Speaker 2: so we had a we had a I guess a
Speaker 2: system in play. So the system goes like this, A
Speaker 2: bill comes in and then alex You gets an approval
Speaker 2: from me and from my ex wife, so he got
Speaker 2: approvals from both of us. If there was any big bills,
Speaker 2: any small bills like paying someone on a credit card,
Speaker 2: is of no, you know, there wasn't a system in place,
Speaker 2: But any big purchases or any bills being paid out,
Speaker 2: everything got paid through Alex you, all of.
Speaker 1: That's common, what do you mean common for relationships that
Speaker 1: who have big money like this where it's like, i.
Speaker 2: Mean, listen, what she alleged was I controlled the money,
Speaker 2: but when it got.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Is like, why I'm even starting
Speaker 1: any of this was just because some of us out
Speaker 1: there don't know what that means to have people. You know,
Speaker 1: we make her own money, We make our own bills
Speaker 1: with do our things. So yeah, setting the picture of
Speaker 1: what that means is once you're in a high profile situation,
Speaker 1: it's not as easy as like, hey, I'm taking my money,
Speaker 1: you're taking yours. There's a lot more into so, a
Speaker 1: lot more than you know. And that's why I feel like,
Speaker 1: is why I'm leading this picture is because if it
Speaker 1: was so easy to say what she's saying, then the
Speaker 1: documents that you have would show otherwise. But that's not
Speaker 1: the case.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean well of course, so I mean
Speaker 2: you gotta understand. So Alex you and Alex Alex You
Speaker 2: and Mike Soberlman and everyone that were at the the
Speaker 2: accounting firm pretty much said that I didn't touch money.
Speaker 2: I purposely never touch money. I mean I'm in business
Speaker 2: stuff right now, with clients and stuff. I never touch money.
Speaker 2: It's my It's just something I learned a long time ago.
Speaker 2: When you don't touch the money, you don't never have
Speaker 2: to explain where the money went. So I never touched
Speaker 2: the money. Everything got paid through you know, Alex you
Speaker 2: She had her own credit cards, which we have tons
Speaker 2: of records on. I think the problem was is that
Speaker 2: Melanie let me slow down. Melanie was able to say anything. Okay,
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of moving parts in this relationship,
Speaker 2: and Melanie was able to say anything without any type
Speaker 2: of recourse or like no one even second guessed it.
Speaker 2: So Melanie would say, Stephan controlled all of our money.
Speaker 2: Stephan left and made me broken by the way. Just
Speaker 2: you know, I'm saying this on a public platform, so
Speaker 2: if I'm lying about something, I'm liable to get sued
Speaker 2: for libel all this stuff. So you know, Melanie said
Speaker 2: that I took all the money. Well, in the forensic evidence,
Speaker 2: Melanie emptied all of the bank accounts, Melanie had her
Speaker 2: own credit card. Melanie said that, you know, approved all
Speaker 2: of the different things, but the whole thing never went
Speaker 2: to court from any of the allegations of sex trafficking
Speaker 2: or me having a gun, or me beating her, and
Speaker 2: everything is because like a couple of days before court,
Speaker 2: she dismissed everything. People don't understand that Melanie Brown had
Speaker 2: the utmost control. Think of this, I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 2: I beat her, I control her finances. Oh.
Speaker 1: Now she has a big platform that everybody has all
Speaker 1: you know, these supporters already.
Speaker 2: Yes, so she has all this, but she's she has
Speaker 2: the upper hand at this point. My name is mud.
Speaker 2: I'm completely pretty much like homeless. She has all these
Speaker 2: supporters and anything that she says, it's pretty much God,
Speaker 2: I don't get to see my daughter.
Speaker 3: So she has that in control too.
Speaker 2: And then she decides, I'm going to dismiss all of
Speaker 2: the allegations. We're talking about one hundred and fifty six
Speaker 2: allegations of rape. I'm talking sex trafficking, I'm talking pornography,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about impregnating a nanny. I'm talking about so
Speaker 2: many things. And at the last second she said, I
Speaker 2: want to dismiss them. Now. When she dismissed all these allegations,
Speaker 2: I got three years of alimony one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars each, so she had to pay for that.
Speaker 2: I got to see my daughter, which was most important.
Speaker 2: I got to see my daughter immediately. I got probably
Speaker 2: thirty percent custody at that given moment. So why would
Speaker 2: Melanie dismiss all the allegations. There's only one reason. The
Speaker 2: part of the deal was no one got to see
Speaker 2: the videos of her abusiveness, her craziness, her drug use,
Speaker 2: her you know Melanie put out there. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is just you don't have to it's mind blowing. Melanie
Speaker 2: put out this huge thing.
Speaker 3: That I forced her into threesomes.
Speaker 2: One of the main videos that Melanie was like, oops,
Speaker 2: forgot Stephan had that one was me having sex with
Speaker 2: a person and Melanie sitting at a desk, fully dressed,
Speaker 2: telling me what to do and how to do it,
Speaker 2: turning the camera around on her own face, going I
Speaker 2: fucking like it. So it wasn't necessarily the picture she
Speaker 2: was painting for everyone. And also on top of that,
Speaker 2: all the evidence would have come out that Melanie didn't
Speaker 2: leave the house dead broke and with five dollars in
Speaker 2: her pocket, she emptied all the bank accounts she was
Speaker 2: living in a twenty or thirty thousand dollars a month
Speaker 2: placed in Beverly Crest off of mhalland Eddie Murphy gives
Speaker 2: her twenty thousand dollars a month for child support. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know so and we weren't together. She was away
Speaker 2: from me for months, so obviously she was making money.
Speaker 2: So you know a lot of things that Melanie didn't
Speaker 2: want to come out. But now because it was so
Speaker 2: easy for Melanie has went to all of these you know,
Speaker 2: shame on Harvey Levin, shame on every one of these
Speaker 2: people that allowed her to just say something. Carp Blanche.
Speaker 2: They reported everything and at the very end they just
Speaker 2: they didn't want no follow up. So she got to
Speaker 2: say everything, and then I got to be uh, you know,
Speaker 2: villainized as like the worst abusive, bad part is like, who.
Speaker 1: Is accountable for that communility? Well, no, I mean as
Speaker 1: far as like well as far as she should be
Speaker 1: accountable for saying lies that if there were you know,
Speaker 1: allegations of certain things. And I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: issue that the world I feel like it's having is
Speaker 1: like all these people are coming out and you don't
Speaker 1: know who to believe, and now it's like but not now, No,
Speaker 1: like with the giant depth thing is there is facts,
Speaker 1: and then there's still like there was a trial about
Speaker 1: basically their whole relationship from text messages to this whatever
Speaker 1: that proved the truth, and even then there was still
Speaker 1: people that had to not believe one side or the other.
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel like it sucks, is because
Speaker 1: relationships should be private, but unfortunately they're not. And then
Speaker 1: we have mainstream things involved, and then it's like why
Speaker 1: put all this extra stuff? Is like why keep you
Speaker 1: from your daughter? Why you know, was it because she
Speaker 1: was upset and she was you know, scorn or whatever?
Speaker 2: My daughter?
Speaker 1: Why lie?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: My daughter lives with me like eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Now, So do you think do you have a conclusion
Speaker 1: in your mind of why she made all these allegations
Speaker 1: up that have no truth? That you have court documents
Speaker 1: that are proven that everything that she said was not
Speaker 1: valid and she dismissed it herself and not even just
Speaker 1: a court.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, here's here's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's very simple. Everyone's always looking for that answer, like
Speaker 2: what did you do to make her mad?
Speaker 3: Or what happened with this?
Speaker 2: Melanie got thrust into something and what happened was her
Speaker 2: lawyers came to her and said, listen, the guy Larry
Speaker 2: Crackman or whatever his name is. And then there's another woman,
Speaker 2: I forget what they call her, Susan Biglip, Susan there's
Speaker 2: a nickname for They would say Susan big lip, whiners,
Speaker 2: Susan winers, I don't know, but they were her lawyers
Speaker 2: and they literally came to her and said, listen, we
Speaker 2: have a plan. I used to be a federal prosecutor.
Speaker 2: I think Larry worked with the Feds or whatever, and
Speaker 2: we have a way to bring hell fire on this guy.
Speaker 3: He's not going to know what hit him.
Speaker 2: And Melanie and her brain started believing the worst thing
Speaker 2: you can ever believe in a divorce is I'm gonna
Speaker 2: win this divorce because lawyers win, No one else wins.
Speaker 2: The children suffer, everyone suffers. So she went along with it,
Speaker 2: and when it happened, it became so easy, and she went,
Speaker 2: wait a second, the feds just raided his house looking
Speaker 2: for on live TV on TMZ, raided my house looking
Speaker 2: for like a gun, looking for sex trafficking, looking for
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and she.
Speaker 3: Went, this is kind of easy. You know what.
Speaker 2: He also beat me. He also raped me. He also
Speaker 2: did this. He also did that. And the problem was
Speaker 2: in the state of California, there's a non litigation law,
Speaker 2: so Melanie is able to say this stuff through the
Speaker 2: courts without any recour I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: She could say, I.
Speaker 1: Anything, you know what I mean, Like, how did that
Speaker 1: make you feel?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, beyond beside losing my daughter and
Speaker 2: what was going on? I was, I told you, I was,
Speaker 2: I want to I was thinking what bridge, which pill?
Speaker 3: Bottle of pill? Like I didn't want to live?
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean not only that, like, and
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like these stories are meant to
Speaker 1: be heard all those things, is because yeah, it may
Speaker 1: have been so easy for her to say those you know, allegations,
Speaker 1: but she affected your life forever and it's entity.
Speaker 3: But I think that's what she wanted to do, you know, but.
Speaker 1: That's still just because you want to do something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that means it's the right thing to do. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, is like, why I think that's
Speaker 1: important for you to like speak your truth is like,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt the biggest thing was is when
Speaker 1: you were telling like when she'd have interviews, and now
Speaker 1: she's an advocate for you know, domestic violence and based
Speaker 1: off the heels of the story from you, you know,
Speaker 1: and like if it's loosely lightly whatever, you know implied,
Speaker 1: it still affects you today because that happened how many
Speaker 1: years ago, but now it's still portrayed to do something else.
Speaker 1: And are you the right woman for the job if
Speaker 1: you're lying to everybody? And how are you glorified in
Speaker 1: a situation? And how do you know what's right or wrong?
Speaker 2: Well, she's just using everyone, and so everyone who literally
Speaker 2: from the tmzs to the Daily Mail to the I mean,
Speaker 2: I watched Wendy Williams say the worst things in the
Speaker 2: world about me, having no idea that the person she's
Speaker 2: talking about it completely lied. And here's the whole thing
Speaker 2: that really is the crazy thing. Melanie made all these accusations.
Speaker 2: Now mind you, these aren't charges, These are accusations.
Speaker 3: She's accusing me.
Speaker 2: So after she dismissed everything, now she's out of the
Speaker 2: court system, so she can't say things because now I
Speaker 2: can sue her. So from the time that she dismissed everything,
Speaker 2: it's been about four or five years. About five years
Speaker 2: she's never once said, including in her autobiography, what happened
Speaker 2: to all the rape that I one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: six things of rape? What happened to me beating her
Speaker 2: every day? What happened to me controlling her finances so
Speaker 2: she didn't have it? Then?
Speaker 1: Would some people say, like, is there something in place
Speaker 1: that she's not allowed to talk about it?
Speaker 3: No, we have nothing in place that would be the.
Speaker 1: Exact place where she should talk about everything that would
Speaker 1: have been what ever happened? If that was the thing
Speaker 1: that happened to her, she should.
Speaker 3: Talk about an autobiography.
Speaker 2: She should have talked about it in any one of
Speaker 2: these meetings that you're helping victims out there and not
Speaker 2: now move to he was mentally abusive. She's never said
Speaker 2: in any of these interviews that I beat her, I
Speaker 2: raped her, I was a sex trafficker, I was in
Speaker 2: the porn business. I had sex with the nanny. In fact,
Speaker 2: I ask everyone, and this is what's really crazy you
Speaker 2: think about this, Any huge media outlet right now, all
Speaker 2: they have to ask is Melanie. One thing, Melanie, you
Speaker 2: settled with the nanny that you accused of your husband
Speaker 2: getting pregnant and diverting all this money to and all
Speaker 2: this other stuff that got proven that to be a lie.
Speaker 2: You gave her two million dollars for her silence, and
Speaker 2: by the way, it didn't come easy. She had to
Speaker 2: go and fight Melanie because Melanie kept trying to get
Speaker 2: out of going to court with her until, like I guess,
Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe not the Supreme Court, but
Speaker 2: it got hurt by like three higher up courts or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know which one it was, but it was
Speaker 2: a really high up court that said Melanie, you're going
Speaker 2: to go to trial with her, and you're going to
Speaker 2: go sit on that bench and answer these questions next day.
Speaker 2: Two million dollars, I'm settling. When can a man go
Speaker 2: and do the things that were said in that she
Speaker 2: made the nanny tattoo property of Melby on her vagina.
Speaker 3: I have the picture of it.
Speaker 2: She finessed this girl into I'm going to help your
Speaker 2: career if you do this. I'm going to do this.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't have like a three way relationship, Polly relationship.
Speaker 1: It was just she had a singular relationship with this
Speaker 1: nanny and then got upset up because of a situation
Speaker 1: and made it more than what it was.
Speaker 2: She got obsessed with the nanny. There's text messages of
Speaker 2: her saying saying, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Melby's property is a big is a big as, it's.
Speaker 3: A big ask. It's a big ask.
Speaker 2: But she really and then it all happened that the
Speaker 2: nanny turned her down, and that's when everything went sideways
Speaker 2: with the nanny.
Speaker 3: And the truth is is.
Speaker 2: That you know, she she told the world that I
Speaker 2: got the nannygant and part.
Speaker 3: Of the lawsuit was no, of course not. It's not true.
Speaker 2: And the reason why it's not true is because that's
Speaker 2: why the nanny was suing Melanie for defamation of character,
Speaker 2: because she had the text messages of telling Melanie, hey,
Speaker 2: I got pregnant by someone in trusting her, and Melanie going,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've had multiple abortions, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: I'll take you there. And Melanie even paid for the abortion.
Speaker 2: So then to go turn around and say that I
Speaker 2: funneled money and paid her three hundred thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: then the accountants looked at what the three hundred thousand
Speaker 2: was and it was from five years of her salary.
Speaker 2: So it sounds big when she says it to TMZ
Speaker 2: or wherever, and then when you look into it, it's nothing.
Speaker 2: So Melanie dropped that if you look at everything she
Speaker 2: says in every interview, it's a horrific lie. She'll say,
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to be a round a man
Speaker 2: in years because I was still within like months, she
Speaker 2: was dating on Beverly Hills cop and broke married. He
Speaker 2: was a married man, his wife was pregnant and broke
Speaker 2: up their marriage within months of us separated. There's pictures
Speaker 2: of them, there's articles of it. That's not girl power.
Speaker 2: Hooking up with a girl, that's I mean with a
Speaker 2: guy and you're pregnant. That's definitely not girl power. But
Speaker 2: everything she said, for some reason, no one looked into it.
Speaker 1: It's just so why do you think she gets away
Speaker 1: from it because the money power? I mean why, well
Speaker 1: I think that because I mean all these things. Is like,
Speaker 1: you're not I mean, you're the biggest one that obviously
Speaker 1: have an issue with it because you have, you know,
Speaker 1: a child and all these things and invested. But like
Speaker 1: you said, she's in all these lawsuits with other people
Speaker 1: as well. So it's like they always tell you, if
Speaker 1: it's if you keep getting in the same problem, you
Speaker 1: maybe should look at yourself because you know, just because
Speaker 1: we can throw money on it doesn't mean that what
Speaker 1: you're doing is right. You know what I mean. You're
Speaker 1: settling because you're normally usually wrongs.
Speaker 2: She settled with Gary mental on her, the last guy
Speaker 2: who just suited her. She has so many victims out
Speaker 2: there that she's settled with. No one goes to the
Speaker 2: victims and just says, hey, listen, we just want your
Speaker 2: story real quick. Not not even a press story, just
Speaker 2: an inquisitive person. When I called Women's Aid, Women's Aid
Speaker 2: is the the it's a really amazing uh you know,
Speaker 2: I guess for domestic domestic violence. It's an organization in
Speaker 2: the UK. When I called them and told them, hey,
Speaker 2: Melanie is clearly telling you lies, don't believe me.
Speaker 3: I'm a liar.
Speaker 2: I have all of the proof from forensic accountants and
Speaker 2: from right before we went to court. They told me
Speaker 2: pretty much, f you, we don't care. I was like,
Speaker 2: but there's other victims.
Speaker 1: But do you think that that's only because she's Melby.
Speaker 2: I think that they care, sacrificing real victims to be
Speaker 2: able to have a person like Melby be the face of.
Speaker 3: It's stand for me and see.
Speaker 1: And that's why I have an issue, is because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to lie about, you know, in
Speaker 1: everybody's situations of domestic violence. You know, maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: your relationship with her, and maybe she's had another other
Speaker 1: things too, But I think it's just it's it's a
Speaker 1: shame that it has to be glorified when it's not
Speaker 1: a when it's a false story, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's so many people that have real stories and real
Speaker 1: messages in real meaning behind that really want to give,
Speaker 1: you know, do justice for these women that have a
Speaker 1: voice for them, a platform and all these things where
Speaker 1: it's not fair when you're being proven time and time again.
Speaker 1: It's like if that's who you want to have the
Speaker 1: face of your company or your organization, Like when do
Speaker 1: we draw a line like just because we want any
Speaker 1: celebrity to support us, or are we just supposed to
Speaker 1: back it because that's what they said that we're supposed
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Pierce Morgan, listenys, Pierce Morgan's been around my wife and
Speaker 2: I before.
Speaker 1: He are you currently you're talking about your ex wife
Speaker 1: my ex.
Speaker 3: Wife, Yes, sorry, my ex wife.
Speaker 2: But so Pierce Morgan is doing a segment with her,
Speaker 2: one of many that he's done, and he's talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, me being like a you know, abusive person.
Speaker 2: This that whatever.
Speaker 3: He goes to ask.
Speaker 1: Melanie, is there any record of you ever being an
Speaker 1: abusive person in their prior other relationships, this relationship anything.
Speaker 3: This is where this happened.
Speaker 2: So in my entire life, in my entire life, I
Speaker 2: had an ex that we were together for like five years,
Speaker 2: and this is where the I guess the lawyers got
Speaker 2: the idea to come up with this. So I had
Speaker 2: an X and we got into an argument one night
Speaker 2: and I grabbed her phone and I threw her phone
Speaker 2: and we pushed each other.
Speaker 3: Wait, this is the truth, and you can look it up.
Speaker 2: You can. There's a there's a record of it. I
Speaker 2: wasn't a felony, it wasn't a whatever. But I admitted
Speaker 2: to it. I said I did it. I wasn't no
Speaker 2: you know thing. And from that, I think because I
Speaker 2: admitted that one time, one time thing that I threw
Speaker 2: a phone and we pushed each other's target, which I
Speaker 2: was an easy target and it was the right time.
Speaker 3: And then Melanie went on to do this stuff.
Speaker 2: So she's on there with Pierce Morgan and Pierce Morgan
Speaker 2: I had left a message knowing that he was going
Speaker 2: to do this this uh interview, and I said, listen,
Speaker 2: can you ask her just one question? Why is it
Speaker 2: from the time that she's been out of this the
Speaker 2: allegations were dismissed. She's never once said anything about me
Speaker 2: raping and sex trafficking and beating her and the horrific
Speaker 2: things that she said. Could you just please ask her
Speaker 2: while you have her online. So Pierce Morgan says to her, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know, Stephan called and wanted to ask something. She said,
Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve a voice. You don't ask me anything
Speaker 2: about him. He does not deserve a voice. You don't
Speaker 2: ask me anything. And Pierce Morgan goes, yep, you know what,
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right right there. I said, wait a second.
Speaker 2: Pierce Morgan was one of a huge guy in this game.
Speaker 2: Literally thinks that a person doesn't have a voice because
Speaker 2: of an allegation, no foundation, just a person that's a celebrity.
Speaker 2: So essentially, a celebrity's voice is much better than a
Speaker 2: regular person's voice. And I called his executive producer and
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I talked to his executive producer,
Speaker 2: and I recorded it, and the executive producer. I told her, listen,
Speaker 2: I have this evidence. This this this not my word.
Speaker 2: Forget about my word. I'm a liar. Here's the evidence.
Speaker 2: And she said, Stephan, we're not prepared to make Melanie
Speaker 2: out to be a liar. We're not interested in making
Speaker 2: her up. I said, well, you're you're not prepared. Either
Speaker 2: there's the true or there's a lie. You don't And I.
Speaker 1: Think that that's kind of with me. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: so like what that is. I could understand why he
Speaker 1: could be empathetic with her when saying that, because you've
Speaker 1: called and then like you're supposed to be this big villain.
Speaker 1: The empathy, like the impath of that person in him
Speaker 1: getting an interview is you wouldn't think that someone would
Speaker 1: lie about such severe and now they're not just like
Speaker 1: loose things. There's like very specific things that I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why some people I feel like gravitated to like, well,
Speaker 1: how could you make this up? How could you do
Speaker 1: these things? But that's you know what was what was?
Speaker 1: But I mean as specific as you having a sex
Speaker 1: trafficking thing, that you owning all these things, those are
Speaker 1: pretty specific things where other you know, FBI, this, that
Speaker 1: and the other, all these you know, organizations came to
Speaker 1: your home. That's pretty specific where some people could just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he fucked this person. Nobody cares to be But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is but that's that's the unfairness thing
Speaker 1: of that gets so easy. But most people wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that someone saying those things would lie, and not only
Speaker 1: because of the person whom you are showing the world
Speaker 1: that you are and what you're encumbering. So that's what
Speaker 1: I think that is the troubling part is that anybody
Speaker 1: can lie. Nobody is perfect. We are you know, there's
Speaker 1: right and wrong, there's good and evil. You know, all
Speaker 1: those things are right, you know things, it's things happen.
Speaker 1: What the problem is is that people like what you said.
Speaker 1: If she's had yes people and around her corner the
Speaker 1: whole entire time, and she went through this route and
Speaker 1: now she can't not be in it because you can't
Speaker 1: retract because now she's lying, but you're still lying. So
Speaker 1: it's like how do you get out of it? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because right now it's like, how
Speaker 1: does your relationship with her now you have a daughter,
Speaker 1: you say she's with you eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 1: You you know, do you have no contact? You completely
Speaker 1: not say anything to each other? You know, how do
Speaker 1: you how does that coexist? Because that's the bigger picture
Speaker 1: is not only clearing your name, because you've already done
Speaker 1: that with these documents to a point, but now it
Speaker 1: needs to go to a bigger message and a bigger masses.
Speaker 1: But what is the bigger picture for you? Like how
Speaker 1: do you integrate your daughter into all these things where
Speaker 1: like letting her know what's right or wrong? And do
Speaker 1: you know how do you play that out?
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I have a really I'm a super
Speaker 2: lucky guy. I mean, my daughter's very intelligent for you know,
Speaker 2: for age and kind of really just she understands a
Speaker 2: lot of things about you know, uh, what happened.
Speaker 3: She was right there.
Speaker 2: She she kind of saw everything firsthand. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't Melanie and I don't have any We we talked
Speaker 2: through an app that is used by court order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we talked. We talked through.
Speaker 2: I forged the name of it anyway, but anyway, it's
Speaker 2: you you you that way, no one can say anything
Speaker 2: or she says oh, I threatened or I did this,
Speaker 2: or I did that.
Speaker 3: And with Melanie, you have I have to be.
Speaker 2: Very very careful because Melanie lies at any given point.
Speaker 2: My daughter needed to get braces right now. And she
Speaker 2: called the doctor's office. First of all, she didn't want
Speaker 2: her to get braces, and she was adamant she doesn't
Speaker 2: get braces. The doctor was saying that she should definitely
Speaker 2: have braces or whatever. So she calls the doctor's office
Speaker 2: recently and she said, I have a restraining order with him,
Speaker 2: and he beat me, and we don't have a restraining order.
Speaker 2: I never had a restraining order on you. I had
Speaker 2: a temporary restraining order that got thrown out because of
Speaker 2: the court.
Speaker 1: This was like years ago, no years ago, But she'll
Speaker 1: tell someone today again today she never had any like
Speaker 1: and it's not to say that it's an issue with
Speaker 1: like mental health issues, like someone that's being that like
Speaker 1: habitual of a liar, Like that's not something that you
Speaker 1: just do, like you do just for fun. And those
Speaker 1: are things that are like evident things like that's no
Speaker 1: one questions fucked up, no one question that. It's like
Speaker 1: now it's like your daughter's doctor, like where does it end?
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, listen, when no one questions you, you don't
Speaker 2: have a limit. So no one questions Melanie because she's
Speaker 2: a victim. First of all, she's in the victim thing,
Speaker 2: so she's a fake victim, but she portrays herself as
Speaker 2: a victim. So you would feel like a complete piece
Speaker 2: of crap to say to a person who really went
Speaker 2: through this stuff to even question them and go, well,
Speaker 2: wait a second. But Melanie has this carte blanche right
Speaker 2: now where she'll say any lie about anything and people
Speaker 2: just believe her. She'll say, you know, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he beat me and he did this, and he did that,
Speaker 2: and I have restraining order and we don't have a
Speaker 2: restraining order.
Speaker 3: Where did I beat you? Where?
Speaker 2: Like? But she'll lie and lie and lie and no one,
Speaker 2: no one questions her.
Speaker 1: Okay, So with all of these facts now that we
Speaker 1: have out here, we know, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: a little bit more intune too, Like you know, we
Speaker 1: knew the allegations, we didn't know the in depth of
Speaker 1: certain things. Where are How has that affected you moving
Speaker 1: forward to like business wise, because now we talk about
Speaker 1: like let's go back and I hate like using an example,
Speaker 1: but the giant depth thing whatever. It was based off
Speaker 1: of roles that he lost. It was about you know,
Speaker 1: all these things that money wise is because we're in
Speaker 1: entertainment and you already had a name before you were
Speaker 1: with her, and you worked hard for that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And being in this this world, how
Speaker 1: did that affect you? And what did you do for?
Speaker 1: Like what did you do other than like did you
Speaker 1: lose friends because of it? Did they believe you? Did
Speaker 1: people come up to you and tell you, Hey, did
Speaker 1: this really happen? Did that offend you that you would
Speaker 1: even think that that was the thing is because nobody
Speaker 1: knows what happens in closed doors. I mean, I'm I've
Speaker 1: been divorced for eight years. Nobody knew what happened was
Speaker 1: in my household, and it wasn't always pretty. But from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, we were great, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, So things happen.
Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of people that were
Speaker 2: really close it was just like, I mean, what is
Speaker 2: she lying about? Because you know, most of those people
Speaker 2: were there watching her pass out on the floor or
Speaker 2: watching her go crazy or doing whatever. So I think
Speaker 2: the people that were close were like, Oh, she's really
Speaker 2: going overboard.
Speaker 1: This this happened eventually exactly.
Speaker 2: And then I think people in business, you know, I
Speaker 2: think the word around town, at least you know in
Speaker 2: the US, is that Melanie's not the easiest person to
Speaker 2: deal with on set. I mean, she was screaming at
Speaker 2: people on you know, America's got talent and she's she's
Speaker 2: got her ways.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that a lot of people. I
Speaker 3: think in business.
Speaker 2: After it calmed down a little bit, and people that
Speaker 2: really know me and know how I am, you know,
Speaker 2: it definitely calmed down.
Speaker 3: But initially it was it was what.
Speaker 1: Was the biggest deal you lost?
Speaker 2: I mean I lost many deals.
Speaker 1: I mean I had what was one for you that
Speaker 1: you were like?
Speaker 3: I had?
Speaker 2: I had a I was starting a film and there
Speaker 2: was somebody who was putting in the initial three million
Speaker 2: dollars and they had done numerous projects with me before,
Speaker 2: but we didn't know each other personally. It was just
Speaker 2: a business thing. And immediately pulled that, that was just
Speaker 2: like wow, And then other things.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of different for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say it's like it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: It's because as much as you've just proven everything that
Speaker 1: the allegations were alive. Nobody thinks we have to prove them.
Speaker 1: That's but that's the thing is nobody knows that, and
Speaker 1: then nobody knows what on the other side of that,
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean other than who your immediate
Speaker 1: like contacts of you know, la are. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, like how do you move forward now? Like
Speaker 1: now because of you, there has there been some time
Speaker 1: moving forward. But you know is do people kind of
Speaker 1: just forget about it or do they know he is
Speaker 1: your name always still going to be tied to this incident?
Speaker 2: It will I mean, that's why I'm sitting here right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to talk about it. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk about anything. I thought at some point
Speaker 2: that Melanie would just go and do her or something.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, this I Am a victim thing
Speaker 2: where she is making her rounds to every TV show,
Speaker 2: to every interview. It's about her being a victim. But
Speaker 2: she never says I beat her. She just says she
Speaker 2: was in an abusive relationship, and she says mentally abusive.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can't how do you even
Speaker 2: argue a mental abuse thing? Because if you tell your
Speaker 2: partner fuck you or screw off or whatever. That's mental abuse.
Speaker 2: So now she's doing this, so I have to speak up.
Speaker 2: I have a daughter who looks at this stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: she's been teased before in school a lot of different
Speaker 2: things that I thought, you know what, let me just
Speaker 2: be the bigger man and just let it. But five years,
Speaker 2: six years later, she's running around Carte Blanche because she's
Speaker 2: a celebrity telling everyone that will listen she's a victim,
Speaker 2: and no one is asking her the basic question, Melanie Brown,
Speaker 2: how come if you're a victim, you're not fighting to
Speaker 2: You said your husband raped you one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: eight times. There was blood and feces in the bed.
Speaker 2: He's a sex trafficker, he's in the porn business. How
Speaker 2: are you not fighting to your last breath to have
Speaker 2: your daughter with him eighty percent of the time?
Speaker 3: Like, how does this work?
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, you know, going online. It's like
Speaker 1: there are certain things that you can allege and then
Speaker 1: when you like you once they are facts now and
Speaker 1: it's it's not the same thing. It's you know, your
Speaker 1: word is not as golden as it once was. And
Speaker 1: that's fortunately you know that that's happened. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think is so sad is in these cases like
Speaker 1: the Giant Depp and you're in yourself. It's like, just
Speaker 1: because you're a repudo and Bill Mann and all these things,
Speaker 1: is like, and a relationship didn't work out, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that it makes it okay for you to make
Speaker 1: all these allegations and try to ruin my life for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, because as easy as you
Speaker 1: said it, it's not as easy to take it back.
Speaker 2: Well, she didn't care. I mean that was her first
Speaker 2: two marriages. You got to remember her first marriage from
Speaker 2: her eldest daughter. She alleged that he beat her a
Speaker 2: lot of the same things, and she was able to
Speaker 2: get full custody. The second one she had a daughter
Speaker 2: with Eddie Murphy, and Eddie Murphy was like, dude, I
Speaker 2: want nothing to do with you. Get the hell away
Speaker 2: from me. Your batshit crazy and kind of gave her
Speaker 2: full custody. So when it came to me, I think
Speaker 2: she just thought it was going to be cookie cutter
Speaker 2: as easy to give me, which I'll die for my
Speaker 2: daughter in real life, so you're not going to get
Speaker 2: me to walk away from my daughter by doing all
Speaker 2: of these little things about abuse and this and that
Speaker 2: it didn't work.
Speaker 1: So through the ten years that you were married, there
Speaker 1: was no ever like insight to like red flags that
Speaker 1: these things could ever be an issue at one point,
Speaker 1: because this is a lot of like things that yes,
Speaker 1: you know the yes yes people to her, and you
Speaker 1: know this lifestyle that we live as grandios saw all
Speaker 1: these things, but there was never any inclinations that you
Speaker 1: could have a target on your back.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you you're so.
Speaker 3: For me anyway.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about everybody but me, right,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like an old school New York guy, Like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna protect my girl no matter what. Right somebody
Speaker 2: jumps out the bushes with a gun, they got to
Speaker 2: shoot me first.
Speaker 3: So I was so busy.
Speaker 2: Trying to be that guy and thought that, by the way,
Speaker 2: it wasn't this way the whole time. This gradually started
Speaker 2: back up when Melanie started getting like known as an
Speaker 2: individual as Melanie Brown, not Scary Spice, not Melby. Mel
Speaker 2: then started to have like, I guess a second hurrah
Speaker 2: of celebrity.
Speaker 1: I responsible for that.
Speaker 2: I mean she states it in her book. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm the one who put all of her deals together
Speaker 2: and stuff or whatever. But I thought we were doing
Speaker 2: something for our end goal, our game plan that you
Speaker 2: know that she and I had. But unfortunately, you know
Speaker 2: Melanie that the problem is is that when you when
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship like this, you don't want to
Speaker 2: think that somebody could ever do this to you. Even
Speaker 2: if you see the person do things, you're not like thinking, hey,
Speaker 2: anything that they did.
Speaker 3: Let me give you an example.
Speaker 2: There was a huge thing in our and this is
Speaker 2: very important for someone to pay attention to in our marriage.
Speaker 2: There was a time that Melanie we were living in
Speaker 2: the UK, and Melanie was in the hospital for like
Speaker 2: a week. When Melanie came out of the hospital for
Speaker 2: some reason, I guess a journalist or something said look,
Speaker 2: it looks like she has bruises on her right and
Speaker 2: people ran with a story that I had put her
Speaker 2: in the hospital for abuse. Now is the farthest thing
Speaker 2: from the truth. I'm going to tell you why she's
Speaker 2: in the hospital in a second, but I definitely had
Speaker 2: nothing to.
Speaker 3: Do with it, but why she was in the hospital.
Speaker 2: But the problem was is that I was mad at
Speaker 2: Melanie and have the recordings of talking to her and saying, Melanie,
Speaker 2: why are you letting people beat me down and think
Speaker 2: that I'm abusive because you don't want them to know
Speaker 2: why you were really in the hospital. So Melanie was
Speaker 2: in the hospital because she had a drug overdose. Nothing
Speaker 2: to do with me. That was Melanie doing her cocaine,
Speaker 2: Melanie doing her drugs. She was in there for seven days.
Speaker 2: If you beat someone up and they're in the hospital
Speaker 2: for seven days, you're talking about I mean, listen, MMA
Speaker 2: fighters fighting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to jail. There's other things going.
Speaker 2: As soon as the person hits the hospital. The hospital
Speaker 2: by law, every hospital pretty much in the US and
Speaker 2: the UK for sure, in those two places, when someone
Speaker 2: comes in with physical things on them, there has to
Speaker 2: be a report. This is guaranteed. So she came in
Speaker 2: with no bruises, no nothing. She came in there and
Speaker 2: she was in there because her kidney and liver and
Speaker 2: a bunch of other things were failing her. There's MMA
Speaker 2: fighters that beat the shit out of each other and
Speaker 2: they're not in the hospital for seven days. Seven days
Speaker 2: is like your liver's done.
Speaker 1: You're heavily abusing drugs or whatever substance is the truth.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm saying, if you beat the person in
Speaker 2: there and there for seven days, you're talking black. You know,
Speaker 2: you're talking like fracture. This, I mean seven days a
Speaker 2: long time in the hospital. So she didn't she would
Speaker 2: not admit to the her going in for a drug overdose.
Speaker 2: Now this is where it screwed me up. Cut to
Speaker 2: when it was our divorce. Melanie says in our divorce
Speaker 2: that I beat her within an inch of her life.
Speaker 2: That's why she was in the hospital. This is in
Speaker 2: her this is what she said. I beat her within
Speaker 2: an inch of her life. That's why she was in
Speaker 2: the hospital for seven days. This is our set, like
Speaker 2: the final time, we're getting divorced. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: in the middle of everything, she realizes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't prove that. So then she writes in her
Speaker 2: book and then starts saying, I was so depressed that
Speaker 2: he was beating me. I tried to commit suicide by
Speaker 2: taking drugs. Not one person said to her, Melanie, you
Speaker 2: just said he beat you within an inch of your
Speaker 2: life to go into and this is You're not with him,
Speaker 2: You're not scared of him. You're talking so much shit
Speaker 2: about him. Why are you saying that that he beat
Speaker 2: you and now all of a sudden you were beaten
Speaker 2: up so bad through life that.
Speaker 3: You tried to kill yourself.
Speaker 2: It was like she would just switch up at any moment.
Speaker 2: No one cares, no one can. I mean, it's the
Speaker 2: best carte blanche lie.
Speaker 1: I think that. I don't think that when I don't
Speaker 1: think you're well, let's say that you say no one cares.
Speaker 1: I think people care. I think at the time the
Speaker 1: people that she was saying the message to nobody cared
Speaker 1: because they wanted to believe her whatever she was saying
Speaker 1: to them. I think is now as the time was
Speaker 1: like when facts or facts, facts are facts, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's what I think that it
Speaker 1: needs to be more put like a precedent on is
Speaker 1: because that's what matters.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for. If you said someone cares, show me.
Speaker 2: I want to see the Pierce Morgan.
Speaker 1: I want to see the But the thing is is,
Speaker 1: but okay, those people may not ever tell you you
Speaker 1: know what, yeah you're right, or you know and give
Speaker 1: you an apologies and on any of those things. But
Speaker 1: it just even like with the Johnny Depp thing, is
Speaker 1: that to me shows that there's a step in the
Speaker 1: right direction of listening and when there's facts and there's
Speaker 1: facts and even again, like he admitted to doing all
Speaker 1: the things that he did that wasn't legal or any
Speaker 1: of those things. But I'm just saying is like, people
Speaker 1: don't think that people that we give this big nuance
Speaker 1: to people because you're a star and all these things
Speaker 1: could lie or do all these things. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I see it a little different because Women's Aid is
Speaker 2: a huge, huge organization in the UK. They are aware
Speaker 2: that Melanie has abused people forget about me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also, this is the first time that
Speaker 1: you're sitting down and telling your story. I feel like,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that was your own personal journey of
Speaker 1: why you chose to wait now, and I appreciate you
Speaker 1: for coming here. But that's also why it's like not
Speaker 1: a lot of people has questioned her non truths. So
Speaker 1: it's like, if you put it out there more and more,
Speaker 1: I'm a believer just in manifestation. It's like, if you're
Speaker 1: speaking your truth, then you can sit here with conviction
Speaker 1: and you're not lying and you have nothing to hide.
Speaker 1: You have done everything right from getting your daughter back,
Speaker 1: which was your most important point, and again showing that
Speaker 1: if that's important to you, it should be important. Or
Speaker 1: you made her together and you're still allowed to see
Speaker 1: her eighty percent of the time. It's very telling. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying is that it needs to be spoke about more.
Speaker 1: It needs to be heard more and more platforms more,
Speaker 1: you know, things that there could be people that we
Speaker 1: look up to, but we all were humane and we lie.
Speaker 1: Do you think she has any remorse from it all?
Speaker 1: Do you think that if she could take it back
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: No, No, nothing.
Speaker 1: Because she's still doing it currently.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's. I mean, it's it's bizarre. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a weird bizarre. This morning she sent me
Speaker 2: a message. I don't respond to these messages because they're
Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're weird. My daughter went to see
Speaker 2: her because it's summertime, so she sees her for two
Speaker 2: months in the summertime. My daughter I put my daughter
Speaker 2: in uggs to go on the plane. It was a
Speaker 2: long plane ride, so my daughter doesn't wear uggs in California.
Speaker 3: Usually it's quite warm here.
Speaker 2: So she sends me a message and he goes, because
Speaker 2: you have my daughter wearing uggs all the time. She
Speaker 2: has to get her feet fitted by an orthod orthopedic
Speaker 2: doctor and this what do you? What are you?
Speaker 1: So she's just looking for palm to fight.
Speaker 2: Looking for And this is from the big bad wolf
Speaker 2: who was like she was scared to death of and
Speaker 2: and I was this bad, bad person.
Speaker 1: She still do you still have love for her?
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I have a zero I can
Speaker 2: I tell you the truth. People always say, Stephan, come on,
Speaker 2: you were with her ten years and and you had
Speaker 2: to have some good times. And the reality is is
Speaker 2: that I don't have dreams about her. I don't miss
Speaker 2: anything about her, because when she decided to lie and
Speaker 2: tried to take away my daughter and and did the
Speaker 2: horrific lies and things that she did, everything good about
Speaker 2: her went out the window. Not saying there wasn't good things. Listen,
Speaker 2: And I'm not even saying that she is the bad person.
Speaker 2: All she did was drugs.
Speaker 3: I was a shithead too.
Speaker 2: We had a we had a we had a even
Speaker 2: but I didn't beat her, I didn't hit her.
Speaker 3: I didn't I.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a sex trafficker. I didn't have a gun. I
Speaker 2: didn't like all the things that she made up. But
Speaker 2: yet was was I like an ant asshole sometimes too?
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, I wasn't like this isn't like Melanie's the
Speaker 2: worst person. But we had a regular what I would
Speaker 2: call regular thing. We didn't have anything physical, We didn't
Speaker 2: have anything overly crazy. You know, there was no control
Speaker 2: of She's like, oh, he controlled my accounts. How do
Speaker 2: you have one thousand million text messages to the accountant
Speaker 2: going back and forth and have nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2: You're controlling where the money goes off anything. She had
Speaker 2: all the control because you know why, she told Mike
Speaker 2: Solberman in the very end, my husband's beaten me. I
Speaker 2: need you to take all the money out of our
Speaker 2: bank accounts. He emptied our bank accounts based on her word. Now,
Speaker 2: if you think of that real quick, do you think
Speaker 2: I could have went to Mike Soberlman and he's ad
Speaker 2: a big company and said, you know, my wife's beating me,
Speaker 2: can you empty He would have called her immediately and said,
Speaker 2: mel what's going on. Steffan's trying to empty out the
Speaker 2: bank accounts.
Speaker 1: Did she ever put her hands on you.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to say she was drunk like
Speaker 2: I got the fuck yo this whatever. But she wasn't
Speaker 2: abusive like punching me an inniman some.
Speaker 1: So vice versa. That you never put your hands on
Speaker 1: herd We never.
Speaker 2: We didn't have physical fights. There was no need for it.
Speaker 2: So you gotta understand this real quick. I learned a
Speaker 2: lot from that first time that I let myself go
Speaker 2: when I threw the phone and I pushed the girl
Speaker 2: that I was with. For that, I had to go
Speaker 2: to anger management classes, and at first I hated it.
Speaker 2: I don't need no anger management classes. This is corny,
Speaker 2: this is for weird. But then I had to go
Speaker 2: downtown in this whatever place and I ended up being
Speaker 2: kind of the leader of the anger management and state
Speaker 2: for another four weeks. I was running the group because
Speaker 2: you know what, there was so many issues I had
Speaker 2: that I hadn't dealt with, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, there was a lot of insecurities there was.
Speaker 2: It was picking the right person too, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, like I was a horrible person at picking.
Speaker 1: Attract what we know, what we're putting.
Speaker 2: Out there exactly. So I was attracted nothing to say,
Speaker 2: and they were horrible. We were horrible together together. We
Speaker 2: were we exactly, We're a mass. I was a lot
Speaker 2: more cognizant of what I want to bring in my life.
Speaker 2: And I'm not jealous. I don't care. I'm not a
Speaker 2: I'm dating you and you want to go I don't care.
Speaker 2: Like life is simple short. When you die, you go
Speaker 2: in a box by yourself. I'm going on a box
Speaker 2: by myself. Let's try to make the best of it
Speaker 2: in between.
Speaker 3: And it is what it is. I don't want no problems.
Speaker 3: I just want to have a.
Speaker 2: I want to have good enough, as good as life
Speaker 2: as I possibly can, without all the stress.
Speaker 1: So what have you? What do you want out of
Speaker 1: this whole message that you're now speaking up. This is
Speaker 1: the first time that you've spoke about it. You you
Speaker 1: know you? What is your message?
Speaker 2: My message is I would love for any one of
Speaker 2: these people that call themselves journalists, any people that have
Speaker 2: journalism journalistic integrity, or any people that including the Women's
Speaker 2: Aid Organization, to take a look at some of the evidence.
Speaker 2: Don't look at what I say. I'm a liar, forget it.
Speaker 2: I'm the worst liar in the world. Don't believe anything
Speaker 2: I say. Only look at the evidence. The facts don't
Speaker 2: believe me. So if you will take a look at
Speaker 2: the facts and say, Melanie paid this young female off
Speaker 2: two million dollars and this is what she's alleging, how
Speaker 2: can we have a person that's the face of our
Speaker 2: organization or Melanie said very clearly these things right here,
Speaker 2: and they're completely they're completely a lie.
Speaker 3: How can we have this type of person?
Speaker 2: And then the people that were so eager to report,
Speaker 2: you know, the Harvey Levins of the world, that sat
Speaker 2: there for a half an hour and had a whole.
Speaker 3: A program about me without ever asking.
Speaker 2: In the very end and going, wait a second, she
Speaker 2: dismissed everything. This doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: She's never said I hit her since then in her autobiography,
Speaker 2: she doesn't say it. You asked me very clearly, Stephan,
Speaker 2: do you have anything that prevents you or her from
Speaker 2: talking about each other?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know. The thing is is with all of
Speaker 1: this is I feel like people forget that we're humane,
Speaker 1: and people forget that there's multiple sides to stories. There's
Speaker 1: different reasons why people do things. It could be for jealousy,
Speaker 1: sadness in the wrong place, drugs, alcohol, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But people don't think about the other side and the
Speaker 1: repercussions of what that does. And I think that people
Speaker 1: really need to take a serious look at like who
Speaker 1: we allow in our lives, who we continue to put
Speaker 1: into our lives emotionally, like in ourators business relationships. Wise,
Speaker 1: is because I feel like, not that you could have
Speaker 1: prevented any of these things to happen, but I also
Speaker 1: feel like it's like it's a telling lesson that anybody
Speaker 1: could do it to you. You know, it could be anybody.
Speaker 2: Well, well, here's the thing, and this goes because Melanie
Speaker 2: has a lot of fans from Spice Girls, right So
Speaker 2: there's a person looking, do you have Spice.
Speaker 1: Girl hate club for you?
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yes, yes, But here's the thing, you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't have any hatred for them.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: They grew up with her. This is a person that
Speaker 2: they idolize, they look at they they know, but.
Speaker 1: They're hearing the wrong message. They're hearing it one sided
Speaker 1: without no truth.
Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing. I say this right here for
Speaker 2: anyone who is a Spice Girls fan. Right now, one
Speaker 2: of the biggest things that a Spice Girls fan would
Speaker 2: love to have happen is when the Spice Girls get
Speaker 2: back together, they have a reunion or whatever. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is once again evidence right here, not me,
Speaker 2: I have the evidence.
Speaker 3: Anyone can see it. Melanie was asked.
Speaker 2: By the Spice Girls, I think it was Jerry or
Speaker 2: maybe Emma emailing her and they were saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: let's do something for the fans. Let's do a big
Speaker 2: reunion right now for charity. And Melanie's response to that
Speaker 2: on email I have anyone can look at it is
Speaker 2: fuck charity. I need money. I want to pay some
Speaker 2: I want money. Fuck charity.
Speaker 3: I want money.
Speaker 2: Now if that's a person that can bring all the
Speaker 2: happiness to those fans and do some good with the charity.
Speaker 3: And her thing was fuck charity.
Speaker 2: I want money.
Speaker 1: I mean she threw her own her husband under the
Speaker 1: bus because of a drug addiction problem and didn't want
Speaker 1: to admit to it. Are you really surprised.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, they'll be surprised.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. It's setting the narrative of what the yes,
Speaker 1: who you are idolizing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, Melanie went on a tangent and told the
Speaker 2: whole world that I stopped her from talking to her
Speaker 2: mother and her father. I have a thousand emails. I
Speaker 2: have the emails, very simple that her mother would send
Speaker 2: her and c see me sometimes or I would. She
Speaker 2: would send them to me afterward, where her mom says,
Speaker 2: we don't want you in our lives. You're a drunk, alcoholic,
Speaker 2: sex attic weirdo. I mean, her parents would tell her
Speaker 2: off every other day. And then her dad passed away.
Speaker 2: Her dad had cancer for years, right, she didn't see him,
Speaker 2: didn't talk to him. He passes away. She does this
Speaker 2: huge like, God, my dad passed away. All of the
Speaker 2: emails that he sent or said I want nothing to
Speaker 2: do with you. You're a despicable, horrible person. And then
Speaker 2: she went and painted this whole thing of like my
Speaker 2: dad died. And that's when I came to clarity and
Speaker 2: knew I had to get out of this divorce. I mean,
Speaker 2: this marriage that was I was being abused. I'm like,
Speaker 2: where is this coming from? Like no one even gets it.
Speaker 2: Like if they just sat down and looked at this stuff,
Speaker 2: they would go, it's highly delusional.
Speaker 1: It's troubling, you know, it really is it's you know.
Speaker 1: That's why I say it's like mental health is a
Speaker 1: real thing. I don't know her situation at all. I'm
Speaker 1: not labeling that at all, but from the accounts whatever,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand from the level of I've been
Speaker 1: someone who's gone through a divorce, it wasn't divorce is
Speaker 1: something that I don't wish upon anybody. Was something that
Speaker 1: I chose to do myself first, but it definitely wasn't easy.
Speaker 1: Definitely not as tumultuous as your situation whatsoever. But again,
Speaker 1: knowing when you when you love somebody, not realizing that
Speaker 1: what people's evil could really do to get get their
Speaker 1: own gain, it's it's it's it's alarming, you know. And
Speaker 1: so it's one of those things where it's like you
Speaker 1: can only do what's good for you, and it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to be the bigger person. And you've
Speaker 1: kept quiet for a very long time, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: I commend you for just really focusing on your daughter
Speaker 1: and getting those important things back and getting your life
Speaker 1: back track because it should have never been off track
Speaker 1: because those things were allegations and they were you were
Speaker 1: falsely accused. And so I'm if anybody doesn't say sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that you had to go through that,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that we talk about it business wise.
Speaker 1: Has it happened had an effect on you relationship wise
Speaker 1: as well? Because that is the target as you're on
Speaker 1: your back as well. I mean, if women stay away
Speaker 1: or did you you know, have to just have a
Speaker 1: gift of gab because you can talk so eloquently and
Speaker 1: that you're just like tell them your story and they
Speaker 1: get it, or I mean listen, or were you completely
Speaker 1: turned off because of this last situation you were in
Speaker 1: it can go? I was you know, like fuck women.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, fuck women. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I definitely wasn't looking to get into a relationship.
Speaker 2: I'm a good side piece, you know. You know, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'll be there. We get this that whatever, But like,
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 1: Start as her side piece? Would did you start as
Speaker 1: her side No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no no no.
Speaker 2: We had a no, we had an you know, we
Speaker 2: had a real friendship and a real you know connection
Speaker 2: and stuff that'll you can't take that away. It was.
Speaker 2: It was real. What it turned out to be is
Speaker 2: no different than when you kind of look at you know,
Speaker 2: the news, and you see this couple was married for
Speaker 2: twenty five years and the husband goes off and kills
Speaker 2: the wife, or the wife kills the kids or the whatever.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people's evil doesn't manifest itself for a long period
Speaker 2: of time. And then if you put a little bit
Speaker 2: of drugs and alcohol, and then and then you got
Speaker 2: to remember, you know, I would think of Melanie as
Speaker 2: the biggest narcissist in the world because that sympathy fueled
Speaker 2: her to where I've never seen her champion something. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a woman in her in her deposition. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you how interesting this is. Melanie's championing so
Speaker 2: much about domestic violence. She gets her deposition, and in
Speaker 2: the deposition, my amazing lawyer, Grace Jamra has to know
Speaker 2: with all to ask her a question. She keeps hearing
Speaker 2: her say, this organization and the woman that runs the
Speaker 2: organization is like like sister to me, and.
Speaker 3: I love her so much.
Speaker 2: And Grace says to her, what's the name of this
Speaker 2: organization that you love to the core of your body
Speaker 2: and that your women's rights and in this and victims
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't remember what, but who is
Speaker 2: the woman that you said means so much. That's like
Speaker 2: a sister to you now that has really changed your life.
Speaker 2: Can I ask my assistant Gary what it's all for?
Speaker 2: Show Melanie? She when you ever watch her things, it's
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of women that are or whatever. She's
Speaker 2: not talking regular, she's saying it out of like she.
Speaker 1: Was taught or what is the word?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's rehearsing it.
Speaker 1: It's rehearsed it we rehearsed.
Speaker 3: It's while rehearsed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because I do you know again, I I
Speaker 1: don't wish domestic violinist on anybody. It's you know, it
Speaker 1: can go both ways, female and male. I think that
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that in a society that we live in today,
Speaker 1: that it's so easily just to believe any story without
Speaker 1: any facts, and because people do have empathy for a
Speaker 1: people because we don't think that we would lie in
Speaker 1: those big situations, and then when it is a lie,
Speaker 1: it kind of you know, loses the luster of who
Speaker 1: are we empathetic too? But it's unfortunate that celebrities and
Speaker 1: in her high power are taking you know, her privilege
Speaker 1: that she's gotten this platform from all the you know,
Speaker 1: these fans over time to capitalize on something that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be her voice. And it doesn't mean that she shouldn't
Speaker 1: continue to go do her career and be who she is,
Speaker 1: but maybe they should sit this one out and not
Speaker 1: be on a women's board that you're talking about something
Speaker 1: that you really have no no to be toping about,
Speaker 1: no clue. You know there's other there's other candidates that
Speaker 1: can be out there doing a better job and really
Speaker 1: advocating for people to get a job done and know
Speaker 1: what that meaning feels like and really have a connection
Speaker 1: with these women and really make a meaning in it.
Speaker 2: And they didn't pay off victims either. They didn't pay
Speaker 2: off victims. Yeah, that's a huge thing. Like what guy
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, having a guy who's done multiple
Speaker 2: payoffs to women being on the head of a board
Speaker 2: for you know, for victims and stuff.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: What is something in your life right now that excites
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about a bunch of heavy things,
Speaker 1: but I know that's some stuff that you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can take a little bit of All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll come back. All right, private talk.
Speaker 1: We are back, and I hope you are loving the episode.
Speaker 1: I hope that you are getting a lot of information
Speaker 1: because I know I have. It's important to always know
Speaker 1: both sides and three sides to every story, and just
Speaker 1: listening to the truth is most important of all. But
Speaker 1: before our break, we were talking about describe something that's
Speaker 1: exciting in your life right now. I know we talked
Speaker 1: about a bunch of heavy things that was much needed,
Speaker 1: get it off your chest because you got to have
Speaker 1: your voice out there. But what's currently going on with
Speaker 1: you right now that's very exciting to you? Do you
Speaker 1: have any new business endeavors? Is it just because it's summer,
Speaker 1: your daughter's out of school? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Most exciting thing for me is having my daughter all
Speaker 2: the time. So yeah, other than that, everything else is
Speaker 2: you know, my life is going well, with my work,
Speaker 2: with you know, just everything, my personal life, everything you
Speaker 2: know is going is going well.
Speaker 3: Definitely a lot better, you know. But my daughter, to answer.
Speaker 2: Your question, my daughter, I spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: with her. We do a lot of like amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: And what kind of you know, how old is she?
Speaker 1: What kind of like human is she?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 1: She into? She just her own little person, and she's
Speaker 1: a fashion is she's liking all the music out there, Like,
Speaker 1: how is it being a girl dad in this like
Speaker 1: current time, you know, regardless of you know, all the
Speaker 1: stress that you know, you dealt with, you know, her
Speaker 1: mom's situation, you seem like a very good and like
Speaker 1: down to earth dad where it's like you want to
Speaker 1: put those core beliefs in your child, Like yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, listen, my daughter's a really smart, intelligent Uh just
Speaker 2: she just got into the smart and gifted, smart and talented,
Speaker 2: talented and gifted program at school, which they only select
Speaker 2: like six people out of the whole school. She's ten
Speaker 2: years old, but she's ten going on thirty. Now, you
Speaker 2: know young kids now are they're quite quite intelligent. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we do everything together. You know, we cook, we we
Speaker 2: hang out. I talked to her about real life stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like my best buddy, you know.
Speaker 1: She told me, is your boss?
Speaker 3: Well she's yeah.
Speaker 1: She's well she's got there's boundaries, but she's your bound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my boss.
Speaker 2: She definitely knows how to like use the little daddy's
Speaker 2: girl thing on me.
Speaker 1: I'm a daddy's girl. I know how that goes. You
Speaker 1: flip your lip one time and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh no, she knows how to. I'll be like
Speaker 3: you buttering me up. You're buttering me up. She's like,
Speaker 3: I'm buttering you up, dad, you know.
Speaker 2: But you know she's she's she's definitely you know, uh.
Speaker 3: Very creative.
Speaker 2: She's painting, she comes to the studio with me, she's
Speaker 2: around a lot of artists. She sings, she's recording videos,
Speaker 2: she edits things. She's very definitely you know, she got
Speaker 2: She keeps a little journal.
Speaker 3: She's very into that.
Speaker 2: But then she also likes creating her own like little moisturizers.
Speaker 2: She wants to have a skincare line when she grows up.
Speaker 2: She she makes her own little lipsticks and stuff.
Speaker 3: And she's like, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love how like because of how
Speaker 1: like oversaturated our world is sometimes you think could be
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I think is sometimes really a good
Speaker 1: thing in the right places for children, when you have
Speaker 1: those communities where they allow you to do those things.
Speaker 1: Because it's like, at ten years old, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: ever thought or know the capability of what that would
Speaker 1: even mean, you know what I mean. But also being
Speaker 1: around the environment that you're in and the community and
Speaker 1: knowing of like the what you could reach and obtain
Speaker 1: with this to dream. I think is really fascinating to
Speaker 1: see Little Mind's work and see like those where they
Speaker 1: really go and like a aspire to.
Speaker 2: Be You could really be anything nowadays. When someone tells
Speaker 2: you like you can be anything, you really can be
Speaker 2: anything nowadays?
Speaker 1: For sure, I think again, But I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the community you surround
Speaker 1: you or that you're in. Yeah, cuzing with me is
Speaker 1: like I never I'm like, what is my talent? I
Speaker 1: knew I was good at sports, I knew I was
Speaker 1: good at like things, but it wasn't like we didn't
Speaker 1: have as many resources I think out there to know
Speaker 1: what my talents were until like later on in life
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, this is what we're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dating life? What is that? Currently? Life? Not just I'm
Speaker 1: just you're just a side piece side peace life.
Speaker 2: In side piece life. Now you know why, Uh, getting
Speaker 2: in a relationship takes a lot, Like you know, especially
Speaker 2: you really want to go into a relationship where when
Speaker 2: I feel like, especially because of everything I went through,
Speaker 2: when you're at your best right and everything else is
Speaker 2: kind of situated, I would say that I'm quite situated
Speaker 2: with my my daughter, my my my career. But I just,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just personal work. Yeah, yeah, personal work.
Speaker 2: I need to just I need to. I'm loving me.
Speaker 2: I'm loving me right now.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that personal journey. What's one thing
Speaker 1: that you've developed that you know, like a tool that
Speaker 1: you've that you're working on currently.
Speaker 2: And just in my personal development? Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: mean just everything. I mean anything that you know, talk about.
Speaker 1: Like even like relationships, you know, like you know, COVID happened.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of time, there was downtime. A
Speaker 1: lot of people use it for some things and people didn't.
Speaker 1: Some people went to depression, so people didn't. But I
Speaker 1: think that it also allowed us to like slow down
Speaker 1: and either like with me myself, I'm a busy person
Speaker 1: all the time. It was the first time that I
Speaker 1: was like, and I said earlier, I've been divorced for
Speaker 1: eight years. There are certain things that I didn't deal
Speaker 1: with that I was over the relationship, but I didn't
Speaker 1: deal with the issues until I, like the noise was quiet,
Speaker 1: so then it was like working on those things.
Speaker 3: COVID was great for me.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, was there something like that that that sticks
Speaker 1: out in your mind that like that you have more
Speaker 1: you're more hyper aware.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you're not.
Speaker 1: Perfect over there.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, but I've been I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: honest with you.
Speaker 2: I've been working this stuff for quite a while, so
Speaker 2: I mean there's not that many things that like I'm
Speaker 2: like still. I mean, listen, obviously everyone's you know, work
Speaker 2: in progress, but I've been dealing with a lot of
Speaker 2: these things for a long period of time of really
Speaker 2: just trying to get shit together.
Speaker 1: You know, then have you really learned the lesson because
Speaker 1: they tell you that if you haven't, those keep those
Speaker 1: still things that you keep on dealing with keep on
Speaker 1: repeat themselves.
Speaker 3: I don't have these issues. I don't have those issues.
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't learn the issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean listen, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 2: junior high dropout. Everything I learned had to be like
Speaker 2: I learned it like on the job training rate there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I don't really have a lot
Speaker 2: of issues. Like you know, a lot of people that
Speaker 2: I know are like, oh, I have this drama or
Speaker 2: I'm fighting this or this argument.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have those things. I'm kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, but I'm chill. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: bothered by that stuff.
Speaker 1: So you they're all this crazy stuff that you diminished
Speaker 1: your career at one point, all the accusations say all
Speaker 1: these things, but you still flourished and all those great
Speaker 1: things that you've done. What is one personal accomplishment that
Speaker 1: you would say sticks out above the rest? Like who
Speaker 1: made you who you are today?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean I mean if I had
Speaker 2: to answer, if I had to answer, what came to
Speaker 2: my mind of like personal accomplishments that are like, you know.
Speaker 1: Maybe your first big one that you're like that made
Speaker 1: you be able to have the business you know, Rolodex
Speaker 1: that you do, the mindset that you do, you know,
Speaker 1: avenues that you do, where it's like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: something that always sticks out or maybe was like the
Speaker 1: plateau of like you know, you're like I was meant
Speaker 1: to do ABC or D.
Speaker 2: I I was homeless when I came out here, and
Speaker 2: I met a guy named Robert or Tura who had
Speaker 2: a company called College Music Video, and I begged him
Speaker 2: for a job and he told me no, and I
Speaker 2: told him, you know, if you hire me for three
Speaker 2: weeks and I'm good. You know, my mom always told me,
Speaker 2: you know, outwork everyone around you and you become invaluable.
Speaker 2: So I was taking a bus to work for him.
Speaker 2: I worked for three weeks and he, yeah, he gave
Speaker 2: me the job. So once I was with him with
Speaker 2: a job for you know, for a little while, I
Speaker 2: told him, listen, I want to own half the company
Speaker 2: and or else I'm going to create my own company.
Speaker 2: Put you out of business in the most respectful way.
Speaker 1: You believe in yourself, that's what you're gonna do, exactly.
Speaker 2: And we ended up selling the company and making a
Speaker 2: lot of money. And then you know, I did, I've
Speaker 2: done a lot of crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, did you go to school for
Speaker 1: business or did you just have that instilled in your heart,
Speaker 1: like you say, you're from, you know, the East Coast grade, so.
Speaker 2: I didn't even go to ninth grade. So I went
Speaker 2: off in the in the world just to kind of
Speaker 2: see what it was about. It was, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I love my mom. I get along with my mom
Speaker 2: really well. My mom was definitely, uh not the biggest
Speaker 2: fan of it. She couldn't really do anything because no
Speaker 2: one could tell me what to do when I was younger,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I was off doing whatever
Speaker 2: I wanted.
Speaker 1: I feel like you still live by that.
Speaker 3: No, not really not, No, I'm bendable.
Speaker 1: I'm not as far as like you know, maybe is
Speaker 1: what that is as harsh as that meant before. But
Speaker 1: I feel like you seem like a man who knows
Speaker 1: what he wants and you're very You're standing your convictions,
Speaker 1: and I think that that is very like respectable because
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of men who really a stand
Speaker 1: for what they believe and like actually have convictions for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm definitely a.
Speaker 1: Go you can see with what you're saying, like what
Speaker 1: your words have action behind it. Without you, it's moving
Speaker 1: from your seat means.
Speaker 2: I try to I try to be as is you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, that's just the way I was raised.
Speaker 2: I was raised very you know, when you say something,
Speaker 2: you do it, you keep your word, you kind of
Speaker 2: and and that's the mindset.
Speaker 3: Like my mindset was I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Get in and I'm going to do things like you
Speaker 2: got to think about this, Like I was just having
Speaker 2: a meeting with Elon Musk by myself and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Did I did a deal with Elon Musk. I got
Speaker 2: nominated for not me, but my movie got nominated for
Speaker 2: Gold and Globe. Or my client who I found from
Speaker 2: nothing just got nominated for two Grammys, or this, or that.
Speaker 2: I've done so many things that I brought a water
Speaker 2: company together that Mark Wahlberg has right now, and did
Speaker 2: he Aquahydrate and Brent Jones, the guy who was the
Speaker 2: I guess the CEO of the of the water company
Speaker 2: I was involved with like three years, four years prior
Speaker 2: to bringing it to him. I've done so many deals
Speaker 2: and so many things behind the scenes with so many people,
Speaker 2: So you.
Speaker 1: Don't know which want to pick. Okay, I feel I
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, I mean yeah, but that's awesome. I
Speaker 1: mean I respect that.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that thing that I did
Speaker 2: early on with Collegemic video really set a precedence because
Speaker 2: I was I was homeless. I was really screwed. I
Speaker 2: was like literally taking a shower in a parking Garager
Speaker 2: was staying on in the bathroom down there, taking a
Speaker 2: bus for about an hour and a half each way.
Speaker 2: He didn't have any idea. I was homeless and then
Speaker 2: I was working ten hour days. So and this is
Speaker 2: with the kids that I came out with, they were
Speaker 2: busy getting high, getting drunk, hanging out with girls, partying,
Speaker 2: and they didn't have any urgency.
Speaker 1: Like yo, let me like get something together.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Homeless, but I can go crash on someone's couch or
Speaker 2: I'm getting high with some people and I'll stay over
Speaker 2: there for three days.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Copy done.
Speaker 2: I'm a boss's ball, so I can't be like that,
Speaker 2: Like I got to be a little different. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that to me was something that kind of stood out
Speaker 2: because it was also you know, I'd been told so
Speaker 2: many times and probably deserved it.
Speaker 3: When I was younger, I was, I was, you know,
Speaker 3: a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I just I wasn't the best
Speaker 2: of the best, best by by any means. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people have told me by you know, eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: you'll be dead or you'll be in jail. So I
Speaker 2: really started to believe by eighteen I was gonna be
Speaker 2: dead or in jail.
Speaker 3: Like literally, I didn't think past eighteen.
Speaker 1: That's big. Yeah, So were you because of that where
Speaker 1: you're just living so recklessly you didn't care because you
Speaker 1: thought that in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2: I did think that I would die before eighteen or nineteen.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would live past it, So I
Speaker 2: didn't care.
Speaker 1: Interesting with all.
Speaker 2: The drugs I did with this, I did that get
Speaker 2: in trouble fight.
Speaker 1: I mean I was doing I was look at you now,
Speaker 1: you know it's really it's you know, it's persistency. It's consistency.
Speaker 1: It's knowing that you're more than what people think you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like just standing up again for what you believe
Speaker 1: and your worth and knowing your worthiness when you walk
Speaker 1: into your room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not crumbling. And I almost did.
Speaker 2: Though I'm not gonna lie like anybody who tells you
Speaker 2: that going through some of that stuff that it's just
Speaker 2: a cakewalk.
Speaker 3: Man, I was like, whoa, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, but how could it. I mean, you've laid your
Speaker 1: truth out, You've said, you know, the hardest things that
Speaker 1: you've had to probably go through you currently in life,
Speaker 1: and those are you know, big things that anybody would do.
Speaker 1: Those things, So it's not a shameful thing. I think
Speaker 1: that it's really respectable to say those things, because again,
Speaker 1: is why we say to speak up, is because the
Speaker 1: more that we speak up in our in our situation,
Speaker 1: there's someone out there that relates to you, someone out
Speaker 1: there that's going through the same things. There's someone out
Speaker 1: there that could actually be like, oh, like, I'm not
Speaker 1: the only one, and those to me is maybe maybe
Speaker 1: even more farm fee between them the latter. But that's
Speaker 1: more inspiring me to me than to just never say
Speaker 1: it at all and then you don't help anybody.
Speaker 2: I started posting stuff on my Instagram just on the story.
Speaker 2: So many different girls got in touch with me and said, oh,
Speaker 2: Melanie grabbed me and grabbed my boobs right here. And
Speaker 2: this guy said, oh my god, I saw her a
Speaker 2: little wasted, and and then she did this with this
Speaker 2: guy and that guy, and like, so many people hit
Speaker 2: me up, and I'm like, wow, people really have been
Speaker 2: affected in a negative way by her, And I tell them, listen,
Speaker 2: tell your story.
Speaker 1: Closed mouths, don't get fat. I was told that by somebody,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a lot true. All right, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna play. I know we've talked about a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but now we're gonna make us a little bit more fun.
Speaker 1: It's called truth with Texas. I'm not gonna ask you
Speaker 1: the craziest questions, but I'm gonna ask you some questions
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So there's four aces. Each ace is a different type
Speaker 1: of suit. Each different suit is a different type of question.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through everyone and know a little bit
Speaker 1: more about you, Okay, Ace, don't drop it, Ace of Okay,
Speaker 1: it is a naughty question. Yes, don't be alarmed. I
Speaker 1: know you know you found out out what did porn
Speaker 1: before I got here. I know you still don't own
Speaker 1: a porn company or ever have. But I've been on
Speaker 1: a couple. Do you like dirty talk?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I like like, that's very hard for you to answer.
Speaker 3: Because dirty talk.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, So but from what side I guess is
Speaker 1: why I feel like you're being pensive?
Speaker 2: No, because see, dirty talk could be easily I don't know.
Speaker 2: Some people like, oh, what's up, daddy and like that.
Speaker 2: That That to me is not and I don't want
Speaker 2: to go a daddy talker. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Dirty talk to me is like you're talking about some
Speaker 1: fucked up shit that you liked at, some kinky things
Speaker 1: that you really like. You're going there to do some
Speaker 1: things to do somethings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, situational I like dirty situational talk.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, have you ever faked an orgasm? I think
Speaker 1: you're smiling too. Not believe that that's happened at least once. Okay,
Speaker 1: So as a female, I never knew that this existed
Speaker 1: until like a year ago. I was having a conversation
Speaker 1: with some of my male friends and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: guys do that a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what I don't know about all the time,
Speaker 3: but I have before he's.
Speaker 1: Saying, is they weren't saying like they were, but they're like,
Speaker 1: it happens more time than you think. And he was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to because I was so fucked up
Speaker 1: that I couldn't I couldn't finish, so I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to insult her, so I just acted like I did.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that happens, Like that's a real thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And he's like, I bet you're thinking about
Speaker 1: all the people that like this never happened to me.
Speaker 1: It's probably happened to me, but I don't really know.
Speaker 2: So yeah more than once, no, no, no, once or twice,
Speaker 2: But like, like he said, it was me maybe a
Speaker 2: little too much to drink something or whatever, and I
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm not gonna come, and I just
Speaker 2: don't want to, like you know whatever, And oh I
Speaker 2: just came.
Speaker 3: And then done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you faked it, Yeah, faked it, faked it
Speaker 1: all right. Biggest turn off.
Speaker 2: Brain wise, I'm a sapio sexual like a mother. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: brain brain stuff to me is it's my turn on.
Speaker 3: It's my turn on.
Speaker 1: What's what's the term you use? Because I say demisexual
Speaker 1: and that means that I have to be mind stimulated
Speaker 1: and sexually. But what is what did you say?
Speaker 2: Sapio sexual?
Speaker 1: So what is a sapio sexual?
Speaker 2: Sapio sexual is kind of the same thing mental Okay, So.
Speaker 1: I wonder what's the difference why it's two different words.
Speaker 1: What's a dem I don't know.
Speaker 2: You should look into it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are learning you're private? Al right? Next card? See it's
Speaker 1: not too bad. It's light ace of diamonds, all right.
Speaker 1: Spicy question. Mmm, most embarrassing thing that's happened to you sexually?
Speaker 1: Do you have one? There has to be.
Speaker 2: One that's happened embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That's that's hard, or maybe it could be like the
Speaker 1: person it was, and maybe it's not your story but
Speaker 1: their story, or something happened.
Speaker 2: Embarrassing. No, nothing, Yeah, I don't know about embarrassing.
Speaker 3: That's that's hard.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever been turned down for sex?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Have you ever thrown up on someone during sex?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Has never thrown up on you.
Speaker 3: Not thrown up on me.
Speaker 2: But maybe a gag reflects what a little okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: With a little little thing. Well okay, ever stayed in
Speaker 1: a relationship for sex only?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, next card, I feel like I have to tippy
Speaker 1: toe around him to question.
Speaker 3: It's why you can ask me anything.
Speaker 1: I'm cool, Okay. Romantic? Would you consider yourself a romantic?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: What's the most romantic thing you've ever done for a partner?
Speaker 2: I don't know about the most romantic, but you know,
Speaker 2: I mean just all of my always romantic, pretty much
Speaker 2: always romantic. I mean obviously not over the top, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm a chef, so I cook
Speaker 2: very I'm very open with my emotions and my feelings, and.
Speaker 1: I like, does that happen through your cooking?
Speaker 3: Does what happened?
Speaker 1: Like how you say you're open with your emotions? With
Speaker 1: your with your partner. So if it cooks me something
Speaker 1: to them like for them, like, is it like a
Speaker 1: love creation of food the same time or is.
Speaker 3: It no but different?
Speaker 2: I mean the love creation of food is just you know,
Speaker 2: I mean people love food, but no, just having a
Speaker 2: conversation like.
Speaker 1: Talking to someone like Jamaican say like I make it
Speaker 1: with love, Like that's what I mean. Like you knows
Speaker 1: where it's like the intentions of it is it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like semi erotic or have done those things
Speaker 1: where because it was an occasion and it like set
Speaker 1: the mood or the tone.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I know, I just like I.
Speaker 1: Just like to cook.
Speaker 2: I'm a pleaser. I'm a pleaser.
Speaker 1: I like, what is your sign? Are you a Libra Taurus?
Speaker 2: Okay, but but I'm a pleaser, so I like to please.
Speaker 2: I get turned on by pleasing somebody, Okay, So if
Speaker 2: if I know that I'm pleasing them, it really it
Speaker 2: really turns me on.
Speaker 1: What's the most difficult dish you can cook?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean I can cook French, Italian, Spanish, you
Speaker 2: know the most difficult what's a difficult dish? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't cook. I mean I cook, but I'm not
Speaker 1: a chef, so I don't know. But the thing that
Speaker 1: you've like tooken the most time to like make a
Speaker 1: presentation for somebody, maybe like the hours within and it
Speaker 1: takes to do it, or something that you would normally cook,
Speaker 1: or I don't know your chefs skills. Yeah, because we're
Speaker 1: asking her a privatize.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know I have a restaurant, so
Speaker 2: I you know it was Italian, it was done in
Speaker 2: West Hollywood, and that was an Italian menu.
Speaker 1: Do you cook any more?
Speaker 3: Yes, I cook all the time.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you don't have a restaurant anymore, do you know?
Speaker 2: I don't have a restaurant anymore. Okay, but every I
Speaker 2: mean like I'm cooking every anyone who knows me, they
Speaker 2: come over my house. I cook amazing dinners. I'm always
Speaker 2: cooking myself dinner. My daughter rarely ever gets any food
Speaker 2: from takeaway or anything.
Speaker 3: I'm always cooking her. You know, if there's anyone.
Speaker 1: Special in my life, Okay, so then not the most difficult,
Speaker 1: what's the most what's the most common? What's your like
Speaker 1: go to meal that if someone's going and you know
Speaker 1: it's going to be like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just simple maybe maybe like a bronzino with you know, olives,
Speaker 2: capers of white wine, sauce, just very very steam spin.
Speaker 2: It's very healthy whatever whatever, trying to.
Speaker 1: Do that perfect date night. Do you have one.
Speaker 2: Perfect date night.
Speaker 1: Or you're not cooking the brands? You know?
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect date night is that's just good conversation.
Speaker 2: Good conversation turns me on, and then you know obviously
Speaker 2: from there, if if it's, if it's if it's a
Speaker 2: mutual feeling that.
Speaker 1: You have sex on the first date.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have to, but yeah I'm not.
Speaker 1: If it happens, it happens, and we're all adults. Taking
Speaker 1: a call during.
Speaker 2: Sex, Yeah, I've done that a lot.
Speaker 1: Wow. Why and do you keep going or do you
Speaker 1: stop the mood?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, I'll be like, let's say that
Speaker 2: we're having sex and like I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Talk on speaker turns you on?
Speaker 2: No, But if I have to take the call, I
Speaker 2: take it and the other person sees that I'm talking,
Speaker 2: and and I think that girls get a little like
Speaker 2: turned on and they try to make you sound like
Speaker 2: you're getting fucked where they're like and they you a
Speaker 2: little harder we're like, yeah, okay, so I'll call you back,
Speaker 2: and the girl gets turned.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you both get my slay. So if
Speaker 1: someone answered, if it only happened to me one time,
Speaker 1: I was definitely upset. But if in this situation like that,
Speaker 1: I definitely would make it to an uncomfortable situation where
Speaker 1: if like they didn't know something was happening, they didn't
Speaker 1: even are you working out, sir?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly? What's what's wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Girls the guys like, are you winded?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You winded?
Speaker 1: Naked? Or lingerie?
Speaker 2: M naked?
Speaker 1: Favorite place to be kissed?
Speaker 2: My mouth?
Speaker 1: I feel like you wanted to say something, but deal
Speaker 1: breakers in a relationship.
Speaker 2: A deal breaker if you can't compromise.
Speaker 1: Okay, how long is the longest you've ever gone without sex?
Speaker 2: Couple months?
Speaker 1: Couple like three, couple like six?
Speaker 2: Now like three?
Speaker 3: About three months?
Speaker 1: Okay? All right, last card? It is a spade. So no,
Speaker 1: it's not a spade. It's a club. Kinky question. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're a very kinky man, but you're only
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what private, certain things private? All right?
Speaker 1: Ever been in an orgy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Any fetishes do you have like a foot fetish, a
Speaker 1: big booty fetish, a big tit fetish.
Speaker 3: Just none, none.
Speaker 1: You're just a sexual being being. You're not like Christian Gree.
Speaker 1: You have like a sex dungeon in your house somewhere
Speaker 1: like nothing nothing, No, I don't know. You're you're smiling
Speaker 1: and turning red all the same. You have a drawer
Speaker 1: like is there yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no, yeah, you can have your little
Speaker 2: you know, your little your little you know, your little
Speaker 2: drawer whatever, you know, your toys, this.
Speaker 1: That we don't know whatever. That's why we're asking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you know, it never hurts to have
Speaker 2: some accessories.
Speaker 3: Around, you know.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been walked in on masturbating?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you keep going?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 3: No? It was by a family, remember, and I was young.
Speaker 1: We don't want that ever. Had a partner too kinky
Speaker 1: for you, Yes.
Speaker 2: And not a partner but a girl I met.
Speaker 1: What was the what.
Speaker 2: Was the She was just too o d all the time,
Speaker 2: like just too over the top.
Speaker 3: It was just like there was no.
Speaker 2: Just wanted to dick all the time. She just wanted
Speaker 2: everything to like everything was just like too much like
Speaker 2: choke this fat e up but like everything was twenty
Speaker 2: four seven it was.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, we just like can we cut off?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can we cuddle like watch a girly movie and cry
Speaker 2: together or something?
Speaker 1: So do you like to cuddle?
Speaker 3: I'm not a poster.
Speaker 1: I like it, but you're a side piece, so like,
Speaker 1: do side piece cuddle?
Speaker 2: And my definition of sidepiece you can cuddle.
Speaker 1: So there's a definition. Can you explain to private talk
Speaker 1: with the side peace definition is so I mean just for.
Speaker 2: A person like me specifically. Yeah, So I'm I'm everything
Speaker 2: that your man can be. So I'm I'm affectionate, loving,
Speaker 2: I got your back. I'm going to try to help
Speaker 2: you out in all possible ways for you to your
Speaker 2: dream to go there, elevate you, we could travel, we
Speaker 2: can you know, amazing sex stuff.
Speaker 1: You know it lost sounds like boyfriend material. Where's the
Speaker 1: side piece? Like what's that? What's the kicker? What's the kicker?
Speaker 1: That are like, oh yes, you mother fuckerr because this
Speaker 1: is a type of situation that women are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're great, but fuck you.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, because that allows you to have your
Speaker 2: freedom and do whatever you want to go.
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: What is the Yeah, it allows the girl to have
Speaker 3: their freedom.
Speaker 1: Okay, but women like freedom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she can have a freedoms, she can date
Speaker 2: whoever she wants. There's no no.
Speaker 1: The exclusivity is what makes the side piece, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 3: And also you know, it's also kind.
Speaker 1: Of like it's like it was a new song. I
Speaker 1: think it was like it was just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was like multa and like twenty months savages, like
Speaker 1: if you're lying, it's something about if you're because it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're having like relationships sex but not having
Speaker 1: a relationship. So it's like fining about pussy you don't have.
Speaker 1: You don't get exactly the words, but I'll because, okay,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 2: Don't have to answer to each other and in regards
Speaker 2: to what you're doing or where you're at, or be
Speaker 2: accountable to each other.
Speaker 1: So there just no commitment.
Speaker 2: There's no commitment.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like again it's like a lot of people
Speaker 1: think that that's a bad thing and they say side
Speaker 1: peace whatever. I think that it's just a lot of people.
Speaker 1: As long as you communicate diect.
Speaker 2: So you say that up front, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 2: But if you lead someone into it and then but.
Speaker 1: That's saying the leading up to. So it's like if
Speaker 1: you were being like, yeah, I'm gonna be the great
Speaker 1: thing whatever, but you're never gonna be my wayfriend, Ye,
Speaker 1: then that's what I'm saying. It's like that, what's the kicker?
Speaker 1: There's always something, But I feel like as an adult,
Speaker 1: you either know who you want to spend your time
Speaker 1: with or you don't, and then you you navigate those
Speaker 1: things because we're all busy people, but we make time
Speaker 1: for what we want to make time for.
Speaker 2: That is the truth. But I feel like mine is
Speaker 2: the reverse. So I go into it with that m.
Speaker 2: The other person would have to agree to that in
Speaker 2: advance before we hook up or do anything hookup wise.
Speaker 2: Once we're doing that, then if we're vibing so good,
Speaker 2: then we can start thinking about locking