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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you joining us. For tonight's show,

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We're going to bring on an investigator who not only

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researches dog men, but he's been investigating sasquatch for years

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and years too thirty to be more exact, for both

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dog men and Sasquatch. Well, on tonight's show, you're gonna

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hear about several of the encounters he's had with dog

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men and an encounter you had with a googway. Unfortunately. Now,

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if you're wondering what a gugway googway is, don't fret

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because I'm going to have them explain to you what

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a googway a gugway, however you want to pronounce it is.

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So like I said, don't sweat that. Well, having said

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all that, without any further ado, let's bring him in

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here now. Tonight's guest is Thomas Thomas. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Vic, glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's great having you. I really like to mix

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things up. I don't like to go for too long

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of a scretch where it's nothing but just normal eyewitnesses. Tom,

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I like to from time to time bring investigators in

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and bring other guests onto to kind of mix things up,

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but still focused on dog men, but just to kind

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of mix it up. So to be able to bring

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you on tonight, I think we're kind of overdue for

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bringing an investigator on, especially a well tenured investigator such

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as yourself. So yeah, for me, I think it's pretty

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much perfect timing. Thank you, Well, you're welcome. Well, Tom,

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please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: Myself is I'm a former military policeman in the United

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States Army for thirteen years, done two tours in the Sandbox,

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and also was a correctional officer for many years in

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Tennessee and Kentucky, and you know, went in a private

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as a private security contractor, and now I am currently retired.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for your service to our country.

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you're out investigating in field. What kinds of things do

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you take from that training from the military and use

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out in the field when you investigate cryptids.

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Speaker 2: Well, my observation skills are learning what to look for,

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knowing how to track. It's just a matter of page.

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Just really is just paying attention in tuning in into

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Speaker 1: That's always a good thing to do when you're out there.

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I wish more people did that. Now, you've been investigating

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dogmen and sasquatch for thirty years now, I'm wondering, though, Tom,

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which one of you put more investigations into. Which one

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have you focused on more?

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Speaker 2: Well? I focused more on a sasquatch because of an

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encounter I had when I was in cub Scouts down

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in Florida. When one e mean as were dinner was

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being prepared, he had a skunk cape run through our camp.

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Speaker 1: Wow, would you mind telling us the story behind that?

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Speaker 2: And a friend of mine, fellow scout whose family was

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very familiar with let me. He told me what it was.

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I was just kind of stunned, like, what was that?

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And it got me going down the rabbit hole, so

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to speak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a slippery slope, isn't It never ends? Yeah, definitely,

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researching dog men as long as you have tom how

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much of a risk do you see them as posing

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to your safety when you're in the woods.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing that I can tell people. There's

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certain things you don't do when you go into the woods.

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You go in with respect and be humble. That is

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their home. Never wear the color red because that's like

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a red flag to a bull where Always wear earth

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tone type colors if you see one, Be calm, Do

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not under any circumstances run because they will consider you

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a prey item. If they want you to leave, they

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will give you a warning to leave, just like a

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wolf will. They will growl at you. Their big thing

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is they like to terrorize you. They like to bully you.

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They want to see what your reaction is going to be.

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But if you're leaving, don't ever turn your back on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like really good advice. It does. You

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know how to find sasquatch hotspots by looking for certain

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features on maps, from what I understand, But does the

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same thing hold true with dog men when it comes here.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is, this is one thing that

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I've learned vic over the years that dog man and

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sasquatch do sate do share the same areas and territories

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so pretty much. But the thing is with them is

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they like to avoid each other.

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Speaker 1: I tell people all the time that normally they seem

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to mix like oil and water. What do you make

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of the cases? Though incredible eyewitnesses report seeing them together,

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it doesn't seem to happen very often. But I've had

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some very credible ones report that.

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Speaker 2: There's my theory on it. I think you know, and

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they I have heard the same reports where they've run together.

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sasquatch steals the pups and then ray themselves. That's the

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only way I could see them running together.

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Speaker 1: So guard dogs in pretty much, well, can you imagine

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a guard dog man? Holy cown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't mind having one, as.

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Speaker 1: Long as it doesn't turn on its owner exactly. Yeah,

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that wouldn't be pretty at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know that you have strong opinions about people who

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say they want to have a dog man encounter? What

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more can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 2: So you don't And I asked people, if do you

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you'd really want to? Because if you do, you've never

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seen one or any type of cryptid. It will completely

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change your life. Everything you've ever thought, never believed in

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will come crashing down.

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Speaker 1: That's really good advice. It always gets me tom when

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I hear people say that they want to have a

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dog man encounter who because the things that they say

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tell me that there's a good chance they really don't

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have any business going off into the woods by themselves,

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even if they don't have any encounter with a dog man.

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It just makes it hearing my butt stand up when

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I think about what would happen to them if they

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did go into the woods and happen to bump into one.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's what I'll tell everybody. And this is one

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of my go to guys is Nick Flenney from the

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North American dog Man Project. He's my go to guy

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when I have questions myself. And but you need to

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go into woods at least minimum of three people. You

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go by yourself, you're just asking to become something's dinner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That doesn't give you the warm and fuzzies, does it?

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't end. One thing is I tell people,

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if you are out of the woods, start looking in

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the trees because these things like to go from tree

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top to tree top.

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Speaker 1: You know it is most people in the woods, they're

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looking down at their feet so they don't trip, so

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they miss all sorts of things above their heads.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. They need to learn how to step, how to

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walk in the woods. You got to feel the ground.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think that's why so

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many people get lost in the woods. They don't pay

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attention to what's around them, and before they know it,

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they're turned around and lost.

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Speaker 2: Happens every day, and there's a lot of strange disappearances too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that there are all right, Tom, Please tell us

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about your dog me and encounters. Now, give us every

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have two that are really prevalent. And the

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first one was in state park here southern Indiana where

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I live in Indiana now. A former research partner and

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I are out there with a couple other people setting

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up camera. I'm looking for Bigfoot, and I'm sitting at

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the picnic table, just kind of you know, relaxing, chilling,

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and I see the set of amber eyes stared at me.

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So I'm watching it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I says, start see him going

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up up, up at least eight feet. I'm like, okay, well,

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there's things moving around, and it showed itself, and it

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showed itself. There was enough I could make out what

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it was. It looked at me for a minute. I

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looked at it for a minute. It dropped back down

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to all fours and it left in a loud manner.

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You could tell it was heavy. Well, my research partner

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at the time looked at me because what was that.

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I looked at him and said, you don't want to know,

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but I'll tell you this. It reminded me of the

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werewolf from Van helsing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's not good. Someone's not happy. Yeah, whenever

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you're ready, please continue.

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Speaker 2: Uh. My other one was in land between the lakes

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last April and I was with two other people. I

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was down in the Devil's Backbone on the Tennessee side

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and got understand, devil backbone, you have your trail is

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only like maybe four feet across and it's like three

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hundred foot vertical and props on each side. Well, we

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were being a trail. We heard it was trailing down

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the creek and we're like okay, And then the weird

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thing is we saw branches snapped off that were snapped

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growing alongside the trail. It came up the rock face

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behind this bush and it was growling. You could see

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the years, the big point years, and it was just

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moving back and forth. And I yelled at it and

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told it, you don't want to come out behind us

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those bushes. It got the message and it discoveried on

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down to the creek. But it continued to follow us out.

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But the strange thing was as we were getting tree

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knocks like every sixty seconds on either side, and which

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were bigfoot tree ducks. Well, as soon as it heard

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the tree knocks going off, it departed the area.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's good that it left the area. After having

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all these experiences, though, Tom, do you still feel a

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lot of angst whenever you find yourself in the presence

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of a dog man? Or is it almost old hat

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to the point where you're pretty cool, calm and collectedness

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of the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I don't fear them. I respect them.

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I respect with what they're capable of doing. And the

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problem with them is their unpredictability. You don't know what

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they're going to do. And another thing is if you

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see one, there's at least two others because they like

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to come in on you on the flanks. And I knew,

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I knew a person here that doesn't lift far from me,

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that got terrorized by these things for about two hours

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when they didn't take the message to leave the area,

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and they based pretty much surrounded him and were growling

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at him and throwing stuff at him and just basically

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terrorizing them until they decided to let them leave. And

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this individual hasn't been back in the woods since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet that did frighten them out of the woods.

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I'm asked all the time, Tom, what the best way

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is to handle a dog man encounter? If you're out

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in the woods for whatever reason and all of a

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sudden come to realize you've got a dog man close

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to you, how do I handle that? Vic? Well, what

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advice would you give someone in a case like that?

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Speaker 2: Back out of the area slowly? I mean, if you

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feel a need to defend yourself, there's numerous things you

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can use. As one, bear spray works a high decibel

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whistle above one hundred and forty five decibels. If it's

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night strobe lights work if you carry a firearm loaded

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with hardcast or solid copper rounds and the biggest caliber

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you can handle. That don't use a fireman only as

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a last resort.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good advice. I guess I should take this

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opportunity to put a word in from a new dogman podcast.

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It's called dog meon Tails. If you didn't happen to know,

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every Friday night in i PM Eastern Time, I hear

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a new episod of it. So if you didn't know

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about it, recommend you check it out. Please do me

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a favor and tell the people who don't know what

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a gugway is give them the four one one.

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Speaker 2: A gugway is is a type of sasquatch that is, basically,

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Speaker 1: They can have different looks and all. Some people think

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that all gugway looked the same way, but they can

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have varying looks to them the same way that sasquatch

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can and dog men can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but they're always with a pronounced snout.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you in just a bit here to

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tell us about your gugway encounter. But Before I do that,

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can you describe what the gugway that you bumped into

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look like.

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Speaker 2: He was solid black, the eyes were red. It had

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a pronounce now and look like I said, look very bad,

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boon like.

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Speaker 1: And he was big.

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Speaker 2: He was built like an NFL linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary. Before I ask you to tell us

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about your encounter, I should probably put this out there.

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When it comes to gugway, some people call them type threes.

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They're probably a lot of people listening who've heard the

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term type three, but maybe not gugway or vice versa. Well,

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understand that a lot of people in the South, if

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you say the term dog man, they think of what

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a lot of people call a gugway. They think of

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a cryptid that's got pomined style legs with its heels

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on the ground and knees instead of stifled joints. Perfect

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example here to illustrate my point. This was years ago,

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probably eight or nine years ago, not too long after

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I started during episodes of dog Man encounters here, I

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was listening to a podcast late one night, couldn't sleep,

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I had just gotten done working, and I just put

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this podcast episode on and as it turned out, Hawk

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Spearman was a guest on it. No, I take that back.

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I think Linda Godfrey was the main guest and about

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halfway through the show when I forgot what podcast it was.

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But about halfway through the show when the host started

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taking call ins. Hawk Spearman, a well known sasquatch in

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dogman researcher. He called in to basically have it out

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in a way. He was civil about it, but he

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took exception to the description that Linda Godfrey put out

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there describing what a dog man looked like. And naturally

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she described when she was asked to tell what a

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dog man looked like, she described what a canine type

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dog man looked like, the most common type that people

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know with the knits dial legs. They have hawks instead

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of ankles, they have stifled joints instead of knees. Well,

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Hawk called in. He wasn't happy about her describing dogmen

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as looking that way. He said, no, they look like

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and then he went on to describe a type three

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a gugway. That just illustrates my point that a lot

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of people in the South like Hawk. Unfortunately he's passed away,

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but that just illustrates my point that a lot of

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people in the South. If you say the term dog man,

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they think of a gugway, not a canon type dog man.

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So I just want to put that out there.

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Speaker 2: I can explain that. Please, do you have different type

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of dogmen? Okay, what Hawk was describing, he was dealing

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with a werewolf or alike in type, and those my

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research partner Neil, who is on the show, we were

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researching at his house last October and we caught a

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werewolf on thermal and its ears were not on top

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of its head, but more to the side of the

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head than they were really long, and it was at

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least i'd say nine to ten foot weigh at least

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six hundred pounds. And when we're watching this thing walk

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the bigfoot that frequents his property, they started screaming, and

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when the bigfoot started screaming, they took off the dog

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the werewolf took off. That is the first werewolf I

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have ever seen, and that's the last one I hope

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to ever see.

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Speaker 1: When you call it a were wolf, do you mean

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a conventional wear wolf where it's a person that transformed

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into that.

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Speaker 2: No, it's what it what it looks like, because like

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it's hockey is it walks like us, it's bipedal like us.

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It doesn't have the hawks. It has the same lower

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body structure as we do. But it's got a giant

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wolf's head on it, and it's like huge man. People

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have mistooked have mistaken them for Gugway. Gugway's complete is

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completely different because that Gugwey they have the small leaders

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like a bigfoot. Their snout is more more like a baboon.

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The eye color of Gugway is red reflection, where a

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dog man were wolf is generally it's uh, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the subject in the photo called the

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Beast of seven Shoots? Yes. From the way you describe

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what you saw that night, it sounds like you're describing

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the subject in that photo. Are you pretty much the

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one carrying the dog carrying somebody's dog, because that's what

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the that's what they look like. But sometimes the coloration

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is govern. The one I saw at all black didn't

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have any of the coloration to it. A lot of

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people describe the subject in that photo the Beast of

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seven Shoots. I should probably clarify this. Anyone listening who

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hasn't seen the photo of the Beast of seven Shoots.

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If you do a Google search in spell shoots hu

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Tes the Beast of Seven Shoots, that photo will pop up.

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And the dog that's in it's r And when you

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do see the photo, it seems like that's a pretty

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good sized dog from what I understand, And I think

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that dog is facing backwards that it's holding like a

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football in its arm. That'll probably give you a good well,

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it might or might not give you a good idea

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about the scale of the subject in that photo. But

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if you haven't seen that photo, I do recommend you

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check it out. It'll blow your hairback, it really will.

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Now a lot of people tom when they see that

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subject in that photo, they say, Aha, well, that's what

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a Type three looks like. That's what a gugway looks like.

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It seems like in this whole cryptid field, there's so

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much tomato tomato, it's hard to really understand what people

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are talking about. In a lot of instances.

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Speaker 2: I agree, because there's a I mean, just like humans,

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you know which different races, it's the same thing with

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these things. They have evolved strictly to their environment. I mean,

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the ones in the South are a lot smaller than

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the ones in the Pacific Northwest, which they're huge, which

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they have to be because they're dealing with mountains. They

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got to be as big as they are. Ones in

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the South they don't have that problem.

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Speaker 1: The one that you saw that you describe as being

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a werewolf, if it looked like the subject in that photo,

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the Beast of Seven shoots, that one in that photo

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looked like it was almost standing straight up and down.

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It didn't seem to have much at all of a

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bind to its knees or anything like that. Is that

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how the one that you saw, the werewolf you saw

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looked or did it have a pronounced bind to its knees?

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It was like us.

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Speaker 2: It was very It was very human, I mean the

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way it was welcome, but it was just it was

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a in the thermall you could just tell. It was

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just massive. And like I said, the ears are different

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because the NISA seven shoots, if you look at the head,

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they have the small ears like a bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that

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subject series aren't very big like what you described on

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the one you saw. That's good that you pointed that out. Yes,

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that is if you had your drouthers, if you had

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to have an encounter with one or the other. Would

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you rather have an encounter with a werewolf or a

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Gugway or a dog man A can I type dog man.

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Speaker 2: Probably probably a Gugway, because the simple fact is Ugway

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they're highly intelligent and if they see they're kind of

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lazy because they don't like to really work for their food.

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But if they see a human as armed, they will

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back off you. But with that being said, you better

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watch your back, you better watch your six because they

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will come back around you and wait for until you

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make a mistake and not paying attention. I'm going to

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try to catch you off guard, but if your arm

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are not going to come right at you.

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Speaker 1: I've got my own opinions about this, Tom, but I

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want to ask you, if we're wolf, if a Gugway,

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if a canon type dog man has it in for you,

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and you're in the woods in your armed do you

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think you can effectively protect yourself even if they have

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it in for you or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, if all depends on what you All depends on

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what you are carrying at the time. Because one thing

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people have got to understand, these things are incredibly fast.

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I mean, they're faster than a bigfoot, and if they

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come straight at you, you're done.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing they have to contend with something that

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is fast, but limited to the kind of speeds that

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that most creatures are. But when you're talking about something

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that's cartoon fast, like what Tom's talking about right now,

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you don't have eyes in the back of your head.

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So if it really has it in for you like

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he's laying out, I just don't see how you could

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possibly protect yourself from it. I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean you like you, like I said, you have

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to go with three or more people, then you're going

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to stand a chance. But by yourself. No.

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Speaker 1: So many people, and I'm going to ask you about

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this and just setting it up. So many people overestimate

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the safety a gun. Having a gun on them brings

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to them in the woods. They think that that's almost

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like a magic shield that makes them absolutely proof nothing

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can harm me. That really sticks to my craw. Do

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you get frustrated when you hear people talk like just

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by having a gun on them that they can't be

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harmed out there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of does, because to me, that's just

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an ignorant way to think it'll get you killed.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I should probably put this

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out there too. One of the reasons why I take

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such a stance on on having a gun out there

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in the woods, if you wind up having a dog

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man encounter, how that can actually add to the danger.

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Is it touches on what time just laid out for you.

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So many people, if they do have a gun in

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their hands or on their person, they're more likely to

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do things because of overconfidence and the ability of that

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weapon to protect them. They're much more likely to do

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things that will get them killed that they wouldn't even

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think about trying to do if they didn't have that

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gun with them. I'm not the anti gun, not anti

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gun at all. I've had tons of them in my time,

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but still do. But I'm talking about a situation where

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be careful. Don't put yourself into a situation where you're

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going to increase the odds of you being ended out

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there in the woods because you're overestimating the ability of

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a weapon to save your butt if you find things

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go sideways. So that's why I take that stance on that. Now, Tom,

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I know you know about the appellation face eater. When

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people talk about face eaters. Are they talking about were

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wolves or a Gugway?

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Speaker 2: Uh, A're probably talking about They're probably talking about the

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Gugway more than likelier than not. I've never I've never

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actually invested say that youth investigated it. But I do

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know along the appellation there have been cases of bigfoot,

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uh taking hikers, a lot of strange disappearances out there.

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Speaker 1: That there are way too many. If you had to

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put a finger on it, and guess of the three,

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I guess I should say four. Now dog men talking

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about canine type dog men. Whenever I say the term

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dog men, dog me in we're wolf, Gugway, Sasquatch. Of

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all these people who go missing in the woods around

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the country, around the world, which one do you think

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is the most common defender for that?

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Speaker 2: Probably I would say a sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: Really, why is that?

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Speaker 2: Uh? I think because sasquatches are more they're they're opportunistic.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, depends on the area that you're in, but it could,

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I mean, it could be pretty evenly matched. I Mean,

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I don't think anybody really knows, to be honest with you,

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but you know, I've had regular reports where there's been

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a lot of Sasquatch sightings along the Appalachian Trail. Dog

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men I haven't heard so much because, like I said,

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they do they each have their own territories, but also

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sometimes their territories will overlap.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that makes it really interesting. Having overlapping overlapping

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territories like that, you would have to a lot of

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people do seem to go missing on the Appalachian Trail.

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So in that country there is perfect for all these cryptids.

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So probably.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've been sighted in every state. I mean

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areas in Indiana. Go down to the Hoosier National Forest. Uh,

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it's like dog Man Central down there.

473
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: How far have you gone from home to investigate dog men?

474
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:19,200
Can I type dog men?

475
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: I've done with them in seven hours? Seven eight hours.

476
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty good trip right there. Do you

477
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,279
have any places that you still want to go that

478
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,279
are still in your bucket list to investigate them?

479
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,559
Speaker 2: Well, my research partner and I sometime we're going to

480
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,240
be going to a place called Potato Creek State Park.

481
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,440
We've been getting a lot of reports, been getting a

482
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,400
lot of reports out of their dog man reports. But

483
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,880
I want to get into the get into the who's

484
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,279
your National Forest? More in southern Indiana.

485
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: You talk about a holiday in for these guys, they

486
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,360
really have a great place to run around there. Oh yeah,

487
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,599
they would. Well, I'll tell you what to stay on

488
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,880
top of things here, Tom, I want to ask some

489
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,360
questions from the live chat that they want me to

490
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,800
throw at you. The first one I want to put

491
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,840
out there is from low Man one oh one. He

492
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,199
wants to know do you believe dog men are the

493
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,239
result of I think he means Googway, Gugway, Sasquatch inter breeding.

494
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: No, these things go way back, all the way back

495
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,559
to Egypt where with Annibus and with the Native Americans

496
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,320
I have spoken to in which they call them the

497
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,960
wolf people. They said they have always been here. Because

498
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,039
you're dealing like Google and sasquatch, that would be kind

499
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:02,159
of a scary combination. But they're both type of bigfoots.

500
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,880
So of course your DNA is going to be different

501
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,519
from a canine.

502
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I've got a two part question here for you. This

503
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,719
is my question. I don't want to put words into

504
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,440
your mouth there, Tom, but I take it it's my

505
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,800
guess that the Native Americans that you've been speaking with

506
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,159
about this, do they know that you go out there

507
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,559
into the field intentionally trying to seek out encounters with

508
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,360
dog men. And part two of the question is if

509
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,519
they do, what do they seem to think about that?

510
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do know what they say is not a

511
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,840
very good idea.

512
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: I'll bet they say that. Yeah, I don't doubt that

513
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,519
at all. I've got another question for you from Caleb Gates.

514
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,679
Caleb wants to know if they share territories. Do you

515
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,440
think they have every I think he means have they

516
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,599
ever enter bred? I've seen some weird creatures.

517
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,199
Speaker 2: Well, like I, like I said before, h K Love,

518
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,760
you're dealing with the bigfoot, which are hormitds, which are

519
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:15,719
you know, probably closely related to us. What dog man

520
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,840
is strictly, it's a pretty much it's an upright walking canine.

521
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,480
So the inner breeding no.

522
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 1: One of the most common rebuttals. It seems like when

523
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,599
you start talking about dog men around people who just

524
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,719
aren't having it. They just will not accept the fact

525
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,480
that they're out there. Is there isn't any fossil record

526
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,079
of these guys out there? What's your take on that

527
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,519
they bury?

528
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: They're dead, just like bigfoot do. That's why we haven't

529
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,440
found haven't found anything?

530
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: If you say that to some of these skeptics will say, okay, well,

531
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,559
as far as Sasquatch go, you've got Gigantopithecus fossils. There's

532
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,800
only been one fossil, a tooth that's been found, I

533
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,800
think part of the lower jawbone. But we don't know

534
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,760
that Gigantopithecus was a sasquatch. If someone came back at

535
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000
you with that retort, what would your response be.

536
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:27,679
Speaker 2: I would tell them Giganto was an ape. Sasquatch isn't

537
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:33,400
because of the because of the mitochondrial DNA from the mother.

538
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:41,559
I believe what sasquatches is an ancient type homitid that evolved.

539
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:48,719
That is one we haven't even found yet. They don't

540
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,800
even know what it is. I mean, the DNA they

541
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:58,079
get it, they go like unknown unknown primate. People said, oh,

542
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,760
they're a monkey. Noans are private.

543
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,159
Speaker 1: Just imagine. I'm sorry.

544
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: I think these things have been around for millions of years,

545
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:16,559
and and I think our government knows about them. They

546
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,960
know what they are, but they're just not going to

547
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:19,599
divulge it.

548
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,519
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, not imagine what happened if at a

549
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,000
dig if all of a sudden, the bones of and

550
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,920
it's not a guess. It's clearly the skeleton of a

551
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,280
dog man, a can I type dog man showed up,

552
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,079
or the skeleton of a gugway or like you call them,

553
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,239
a werewolf showed up in a dig. Imagine how the

554
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,639
government would be scrambling in to cover all that up.

555
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,599
It'd be ugly.

556
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one for you here, Vic, and I'll

557
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,719
tell anybody to do this. Look at the Fort Lewis, Washington,

558
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,880
United States Army Wildlife Manual. He will find bigfoot in it.

559
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,199
I'll let you all think about that one.

560
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: I've found out about that, and I really don't know

561
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,559
what to think about that. I mean, the government is

562
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,920
so careful about things like this, how could they allow

563
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,119
that to ever be? I mean, that's just mind blowing.

564
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:22,719
What are your thoughts on that?

565
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, just recently, I think a couple of years ago,

566
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,760
the Ohio Department of Natural Resources have acknowledged the existence

567
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,519
of sasquatch and they even put out a video about it.

568
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Is it your opinion that, just like the government, seems

569
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,239
to be kind of somewhat if you could call it

570
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,480
that opening up when it comes to UFOs, do you

571
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,760
think the same thing's holding true for cryptids like sasquatch

572
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,400
and dogmen.

573
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,519
Speaker 2: Now, yes, because they know that, because they know it's

574
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:01,920
a matter of time, because they can't hide it anymore.

575
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,280
And my personal opinion, what they're going to do is

576
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,719
introduce it to the public slowly. You're not going to

577
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,719
hit the masses all at once. Whether they're going to

578
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,480
do it and you know, a systematic manner or kind

579
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,159
of like ease people into it.

580
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: Well, by and large, the general public is so close minded.

581
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,800
I can only imagine all the difficulty that the government

582
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,199
would have getting them to warm up to the fact

583
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,519
that these things are out there. That would not be pretty.

584
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,079
Speaker 2: No, you would see you probably end up seeing your

585
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:46,039
national parks and state parks closed because people would refuse

586
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,760
to go to them exactly.

587
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, when people ask me why I say that

588
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,639
the government's not going to allow them to be officially acknowledged,

589
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,920
I tell them, we'll think about what would happen, the

590
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,920
calamity that would happen if they did let that cat

591
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,039
out of the bag. No one's going to want to

592
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,559
live around a forest, Steven when they hear that, guess

593
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,960
what in a forest near you just might have something

594
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,800
looks like a giant werewolf. So yeah, I think society

595
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,400
would just collapse around her ears. I really do.

596
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: Now, just imagine vic they're going to have to turn

597
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,440
around and rewrite all the history books.

598
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,079
Speaker 1: Oh, they don't want to do that.

599
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: Exactly.

600
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: So many other things too that they wouldn't want to do.

601
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:37,039
It'd be really ugly. It would truly be a morass. Now,

602
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,840
you had an interesting conversation with a woman who had

603
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,119
some pretty interesting news to share with you about I'll

604
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,039
just see a pack of dogmen that she used to

605
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,519
interact with when she was young. Please tell us the

606
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,079
story behind that she was.

607
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: She's from Michigan near the up and she to me

608
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:07,480
as a child that she grew up with them, and

609
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:12,440
she was attacked by another was about to be attacked

610
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,960
by another dog man type preacher, and the pact that

611
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:25,440
was on the land, it always protected her, intervened on

612
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:31,480
her behalf kept her from getting killed. But she explained

613
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,840
to me, she goes ten miles down the road, there

614
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,800
was a pack that was soon as killed a human

615
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,559
being as look at him. Now. The thing is, I

616
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:46,239
will tell people, these are unpredictable. You've got to learn

617
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,760
to learn how to read their intent. They start really

618
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,920
showing their teeth all of it, and their ears are

619
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:06,760
starting to flatten back. You got to problem.

620
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely wouldn't be pretty to see. It's so

621
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,159
hard to think for these things. There have been a

622
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,280
lot of eyewitnesses I've spoken with who witness that happen

623
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,079
and they were caught dead nuts to right spy a

624
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,880
canline type dogman, but allowed to leave without a single scratch.

625
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,719
What's your take on that.

626
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,599
Speaker 2: They were just doing it just to terrorize them and

627
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:31,519
bully them. It's what they like to do. You can't

628
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,079
have to stand up to them and tell them they

629
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,239
understand what you're saying. You tell them, no, I'm not

630
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,880
going to put up with your your garbage. You know,

631
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,960
you're probably just gonna sit there and look at you

632
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,519
like you're like, okay, this humans not showing fear to me.

633
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:53,840
I wonder what, because you're going to be doing something

634
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,159
that they're not expecting.

635
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guarantee they've never seen anyone do that before.

636
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:07,119
Stand up to them and not be extremely fearful. They

637
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,679
probably wouldn't know what to think about that.

638
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: No, you just can't.

639
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: You can't.

640
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: You just can't. You know, you know they're big and

641
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,400
they're scary and they try to be intimidated. But you know,

642
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,800
don't give in to the fear. I mean it's easier

643
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,719
said than doing, but you have to force yourself up,

644
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,599
you know, stand your ground and say look i'm you know,

645
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,559
or say I am leaving and back out. I mean,

646
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:40,519
I have the attitude that's like when I leave the woods,

647
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,440
it's like I will leave on my own. I'm not

648
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,320
going to be run out if that makes sense.

649
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,519
Speaker 1: As you know, for a lot of people not running

650
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,760
that is a huge ask. But yeah, if you want

651
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,440
to walk out of there one piece, if you want

652
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,559
to leave the woods one piece, it's vitally important that

653
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:00,760
you don't make that mistake.

654
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: You just walk. You walk back the exact the same

655
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,119
way you came in. I mean, don't be going slowly,

656
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:14,079
you know, move with a purpose, but don't run. I mean, yeah,

657
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,719
they will flank you, they will follow you out.

658
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: Ignore it. That sounds like really good advice. I've got

659
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,760
to have a question for you from the live chat

660
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,079
from Keleb Gates, and Keileb wants to know how many

661
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,840
dog men are there in your area?

662
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,119
Speaker 2: Thomas, Well, my research area is like a hal hour

663
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:41,679
and a half from where imp but uh where I

664
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,480
live at here in Lafayat. We have a place it's

665
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:48,119
called Wildcat Creek. Well, it was a few miles from me.

666
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,840
I have investigated those woods along the creek. I have

667
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,800
found sasquatch footprints. It would not surprise me if there's

668
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:06,639
a few of them probably around. I haven't seen any.

669
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,840
But it's the right type of environment. I'll put it

670
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,440
to you like that or to be here.

671
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,559
Speaker 1: It's obvious here one cool, calm, customary investigator out there

672
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:22,199
in the forest.

673
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:22,519
Speaker 2: Tom.

674
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: But if you go out on an investigation and bump

675
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,960
into a dog man, a can I type dog man,

676
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,159
you've done it several times, multiple times, do you still

677
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,599
lay in bed that night and you're gobsmacked to the

678
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,159
point where you can't sleep? Or is sleep not a

679
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,519
problem because this whole thing is so old hat for you.

680
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: I sleep just fine. But you know, I mean, I'm

681
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,400
not gonna lie. I mean there's been times that I

682
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,039
have been afraid. You know who wouldn't. But the thing

683
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,440
is about fear. You've got to learn to control that.

684
00:46:58,639 --> 00:46:59,960
You don't let it control you.

685
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,159
Speaker 1: That's really good advice, of course, easier said than done,

686
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,159
because a lot of people have better control. Some people

687
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,320
have better control over their fears than others. But you

688
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,800
just have to make that attempt to do that. That

689
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,119
does sound like really good advice. I've got a great

690
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,679
question for you here from mx VT, and they want

691
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,960
to know does the dog man talking about a K

692
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,960
nine type dog man? Of course? Does the dog man

693
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:35,280
have a natural predator? Well, I have her, I have her.

694
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,639
Speaker 2: Accounts where dog men didn't have bigfoot have fought or

695
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,880
they do will fight each other, but pre date, but

696
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:52,000
predation on each other. No, as a natural predator, I

697
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:59,159
probably not. I mean, what predator in North America would

698
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,039
want to go up against eight to ten foot tall werewolf.

699
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,559
Speaker 1: That's a really good point.

700
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: A bigfoot, a bigfoot would No, you know, you know

701
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,119
whatever the outcool will be on that. But but try

702
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:18,440
to prey on it. No, I don't see it just

703
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,320
like a bigfoot. It's not gonna there's nothing in North

704
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,760
America's that it's gonna.

705
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:26,679
Speaker 1: Pray on it. Some people have put it out through

706
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,119
the dog men not only possibly bury they're dead, but

707
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,960
eat their dead. I know you said that they do

708
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,199
bury they're dead, but do you think they ever eat

709
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:35,920
their dead.

710
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: I've heard sasquatches doing it. I don't see why they wouldn't.

711
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: That does make sense. I've got another one for you

712
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:50,679
from Keleb. He wants to know, Vic asks Thomas what

713
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,280
kind of food they like?

714
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: You know, if you got in the woods, I'm just

715
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,000
gonna be funny, Just bring some milk bones out with you.

716
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: He had not a good idea, especially if one decides

717
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,280
to try to take one out of your hand. That

718
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,039
actually happened. I can't remember if that eyewitness came on

719
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,880
the show or not, but this guy was sitting around

720
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,800
the campfire and this dog man came up and just

721
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,719
stared him down. He was cooking wienies over the fire,

722
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,880
had to stick through the wienies and was just roasting them.

723
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,280
Dog man came up, walked up like he owned the joint.

724
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,960
Well he did own the joint, but this dog man

725
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:32,280
just boldly walked up, steering him down, reached out and

726
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,079
took the hot dog off of the stick. He was

727
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,199
roasting that hot dog over the fire on and just

728
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,679
pulled that hot dog off of the stick and just

729
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,239
ate it right in front of him, steering him down.

730
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,599
What are you going to do? Can you imagine exactly.

731
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:49,119
Speaker 2: But it's like it's just like, hey, what another one?

732
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, here's the whole pack.

733
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's an old pack. It's like here your family,

734
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:57,639
ny can have it.

735
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: They do so things that are just so over the top,

736
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:05,599
like that the nerve on these things. Of course they

737
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:07,840
own the joint, they can do whatever they want to do,

738
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,079
but still the nerve.

739
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, definitely.

740
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: I've got another one for you from Bang Bang, Hey,

741
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,320
Bang Bang. She wants to know Thomas did the were wolf?

742
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:27,599
Did the werewolf's eyes glow? Yes? All right. That answer

743
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,320
is I have seen.

744
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: I have seen, I have seen them blow.

745
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,039
Speaker 1: That answer is that. Then I've got another one for

746
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,679
you from low Man one oh one. He wants to know,

747
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,159
as Tom ever used a Wiji board.

748
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: Never will and they are it's to me that bad medicine.

749
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,159
Speaker 1: Good man, good idea to steer clear. I've got another

750
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:57,480
one for you from Caleb. He wants to know, as

751
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
a veteran, were you scared of the dog man or

752
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,920
is it scared of you? I know i'd be scared

753
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,480
of your training and thank you for your service.

754
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 2: One year. We're most welcome, Caleb, and I would probably

755
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,599
have to say that we're both probably scared.

756
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: You really think the dog man itself was frightened of you?

757
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:25,079
Speaker 2: I think I wouldn't. I don't want. I would say

758
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:29,480
to be more apprehensive because it didn't know what I

759
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,239
was going to do, and I didn't know what it

760
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:31,800
was going to do.

761
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, and it knew you might have

762
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:43,280
been armed. It seems like both Sasquatch dog men, whatever

763
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,519
crypt did you bump into out there, It seems like

764
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,679
they know whether you're armed or not. It doesn't matter

765
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:52,079
if you have that weapon on display. Seems like they

766
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,119
just know. How do you think they do that? Do

767
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:58,360
you think they smell the gunpowder or through some other means?

768
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: Well, people say you know they can spell the gunpowder.

769
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,400
I just kind of like chuckle and say, really, I

770
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,800
don't think so. Now, Yes, I do go armed. I

771
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:23,119
do carry my weapons concealed, sometimes really active. Where there

772
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,559
has been an attack, I will carry a long gun.

773
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,119
I will carry a shotgun with hard gas slugs in it.

774
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,159
If you do carry a handgun, the type of ammo

775
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,719
to be used, I would use hard gas rounds either

776
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,440
from buffalo board or underwood ammunition, or solid copper monolithic

777
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:48,639
rounds cely because you are going to need penetration.

778
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: You made a comment a bit ago about how you

779
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,159
should use copper rounds instead of lead. What's the story

780
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,519
behind that, Well, opper.

781
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: It's a solid Uh, it's a it's a solid copper. Uh.

782
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,840
It's looked like almost looks like a Phillips head screwdriver

783
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:13,800
called extreme penetrators. Yeah, they work real well. Now, some

784
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,599
Native Americans, you know where silver has a uh with

785
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,119
like with the purity and you know protection and also

786
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,039
copper has kind of the same type of properties as

787
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:29,519
silver does and and uh and uh as in like

788
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:35,440
protection like silver. Uh. But me personally, I use hard

789
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,280
cast lead flat points.

790
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever used a hard cast lead round that

791
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,039
gave effective results?

792
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,599
Speaker 2: Uh?

793
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't need to tell you. There are so

794
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,920
many people in this whole cryptid field who they present

795
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,320
themselves as if they can tell you how many hairs

796
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,199
are on a dog man's shoulder blade right shoulder blade

797
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,519
versus its left shoulder blade. I've had people tell me

798
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,719
things like, if you use copper rounds, that's only effective

799
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,639
way to to fin one off. If you use a

800
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:14,920
lead round, it's not going to do anything. When it

801
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,639
comes to these guys, what's your take on that.

802
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is really where what the hardcast

803
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,119
flat points is You've got to smash be able to

804
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:32,840
smash bone and penetrate the thick muscle of the body

805
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,440
to get it into the vitals with a dog man

806
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,000
in a bigfoot. Your head shots between the eye and

807
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,880
the ears is your best point that day.

808
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: Hang for.

809
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: The eye sockets are probably the most ideal. I mean,

810
00:54:53,400 --> 00:55:00,000
put one through their ear. But I will tell anybody this, Uh,

811
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,880
your firearm as your last resort. There are a lot

812
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,079
of other things that you can do before you have

813
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:08,000
the resort of that.

814
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,679
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. Do you say the things

815
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,440
that you have because you believe they have an armored

816
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,840
chest or for other reasons?

817
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,559
Speaker 2: No, it's just because of their bone density. Their bone

818
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:28,599
density is a lot thicker than ours, their muscles are.

819
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,280
Their muscles are thicker than ours, So you're going to

820
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:38,480
need to need around to be able to punch through that.

821
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,199
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Let's get back to the questions from

822
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,840
the live chat. Next one on deck is from Charles

823
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,239
do Goo and Charles wants to know does Tom and

824
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,840
team travel and research armed which you answered that a

825
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,880
bit ago wondering since he mentioned a type of emo

826
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,320
when the answer is yes, he went over that pretty

827
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,159
close to the beginning of the show, or maybe the

828
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,880
the first fourth of the show. The next question is

829
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:08,199
this is a good one from Hadley Ramsdell and Haley

830
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,719
wants to know how can you tell a werewolf and

831
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,440
dog man apart since most people use the typical werewolf

832
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:18,000
description to describe their dog man encounter. And if there's

833
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,119
two types of dog men, are there two types of

834
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:23,719
werewolves or just one?

835
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,599
Speaker 2: There are different types of dog There are different types

836
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:34,360
of dog men. There's one in LBL that I haven't seen,

837
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,440
but I have from people that have researched that area,

838
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,119
and one was a really close friend of mine. They

839
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:44,840
saw one that looked like a hyaena.

840
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: It's fun that you mentioned that because guess what The

841
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,559
next question is about hyenotype dogmen. That question is from

842
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:01,039
space Jerk thirty five and he wants to know Hi,

843
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,079
Vic Hi Thomas. Could Thomas please talk about the hyena

844
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:05,760
type dog man? Thanks?

845
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,679
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't know a whole lot about him, but

846
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,400
my friend who has dealt with him, I mean, I'm

847
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,159
gonna tell you what he told me. He goes, these

848
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:26,719
things are total buttholes he thinks that there there are

849
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,519
These types are also responsible for a lot of the

850
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:35,639
missing person cases in the South. When it's when it

851
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,920
comes to these, he said, these are just they're just

852
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:45,800
utterly vicious. He said, you know, dealing with them, they

853
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,199
start acting stupid. He goes, the best thing you can

854
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:54,000
do is just drop it.

855
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:55,639
Speaker 1: Better be a good shot.

856
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I like. That's why I use a

857
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,599
twelve gauge.

858
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:04,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.

859
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,159
Speaker 2: With a hard gast slug.

860
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should do it. Hit in the right spot.

861
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,119
This next question is from low Man one oh one,

862
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:19,519
and he wants to know, as Tom ever looked for

863
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:23,960
gugway near the abandoned Woja mines many sightings.

864
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,519
Speaker 2: I have no idea where the Wojo minds.

865
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,159
Speaker 1: Are even at. I don't either. Yeah, that's new one

866
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:33,400
on me.

867
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, though I am, I have

868
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,039
no idea where that's at.

869
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: That makes two of us. The next question is from

870
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
G Black Sheep and G wants to know, And it's

871
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,519
a good question. Do you know where they bury their dead?

872
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: My if I were to take an educated guess, probably

873
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,960
in the most isolated area where humans do not go.

874
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,559
Same thing with Bigfoot. They'll take them somewhere where people

875
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:10,039
probably have never even walked on walk that type part

876
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:10,599
of the land.

877
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:15,679
Speaker 1: If I had a nickel for every person I spoke

878
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,840
with who things that we go everywhere and there are

879
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,239
no places left in this world that people don't touch,

880
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,519
I'd be a rich man. Now all bet all bet

881
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,679
how ridiculous. There are so many places we don't go,

882
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,920
we don't go near. So it's crazy to say that,

883
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:36,840
crazy to think that it really is.

884
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,679
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem with most people. They think they

885
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,360
know everything.

886
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they do, that's a given. I've got another

887
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,079
good question for you from unreal estate agents seven to

888
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,239
seven zero, and they want to know, do you think

889
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,840
there are more than flesh and blood natural in other words,

890
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,519
as we know it, possibly some kind of interdimensional spirit

891
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:02,800
beings of some kind.

892
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: Here's my take on it. Thirty years I've been doing this,

893
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,079
and every crypt that I've ever seen is flesh and

894
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:17,480
blood except for one, and that is a hell hound.

895
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:27,239
And I saw one of those in the cemetery and

896
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,599
it just dissipated in front of me, literally in the

897
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:39,239
blacks into smoke, dog Man, Bigfoot, flesh and blood all

898
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,039
the way. I mean, it's I've heard people talk about

899
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,639
the interdimensional, but I will keep my opinion to myself

900
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,760
on that. What I think that they're kind of lettle off.

901
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,760
If you know what I mean.

902
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I understand. I've got another one for you from Clear

903
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:05,400
Porter and Clear wants to know, Thomas, is it true

904
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,199
that a Gugway is different? I think she means is

905
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,960
a different type of dog man. Forgive me, I just

906
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:16,239
turned from I think she means I just return from

907
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,280
the UK and missed the beginning.

908
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,239
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, Claire, answer your question. The Gugway is

909
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,400
a bigfoot, type of bigfoot, not a dog man.

910
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:35,079
Speaker 1: That answer is that, let's find another good one. I've

911
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,920
got one here for you from Legion and they want

912
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,639
to know. Do the dog men or sasquatch ever work

913
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:41,719
with the crawlers?

914
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:49,039
Speaker 2: Well, from what I understand is dog man they kill crawlers,

915
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:53,599
and if I were to take a guess, sasquatch probably do.

916
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: Also. Do you think they do that for fun or

917
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,639
for some actual purpose?

918
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: I think their enemies.

919
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: When I asked about a particular purpose, I'm getting at

920
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,800
maybe they do that because crawlers have a tendency of

921
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,079
targeting their young or some other reason where if they

922
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:20,679
actually got rid of the crawlers, that would help perpetuate

923
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,960
their their species or whatever you want to call them.

924
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,239
Speaker 2: You know what, that's a good that's a very good.

925
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,199
Theory is very well possible.

926
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure with all the people you speak with who

927
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:39,679
see these cryptis, I'm sure it's been run by you.

928
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,039
The possibility that dog men feed on sasquatch, or at

929
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:49,400
least juvenile sasquatch. This was years ago where someone contacted

930
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,000
me and they told me they were convinced that had

931
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,519
to be the case, and I asked them why. Well,

932
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,599
they went on to tell me how they were somewhere

933
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:02,000
out in the middle of nowhere and and they somehow

934
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,559
they came across this track of juvenile sasquatch. Prince. Well,

935
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,679
they told me how they saw some pretty big dog

936
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:14,119
man prints that were right next to those sasquatch prints.

937
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,079
And now I'm sorry they thought that they had to

938
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,719
be buddy Buddy, and I pose the possibility that maybe

939
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,400
the sasquatch, the juvenile sasquatch, had come along at one

940
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,519
point and then after the fact, maybe a bigger dog

941
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,760
man had come along and was actually attracting that juvenile

942
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,559
sasquatch to prey on it. Do you think that dog

943
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men ever, do you take the opportunity to do that

944
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if they catch a smaller sasquatch by itself, or do

945
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you think that's just taboo and they never tried to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: I have actually heard of accounts where dog might have

948
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done that. I mean I had never seen it myself,

949
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:01,400
but I have had regular reports where the dogmen will

950
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per date on juvenile, juvenile bigfoot.

951
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Speaker 1: I wonder how that goes. I wonder if normally dog

952
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,679
men don't try to jump on a sasquatch that's above

953
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,960
a certain size compared to their own. I mean, as

954
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,039
you know, dog man, they get awfully big. If you

955
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:22,920
do have a ten foot dog man, a can I

956
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,559
type dogmen. I wonder what the cutoff line normally is,

957
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,119
where if they just draw the line and say, okay,

958
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,440
I'm not going to try to tackle a sasquatch above

959
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,239
this size.

960
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:38,199
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is, dogmen they're pack hunters like wolves. Uh.

961
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,719
There's been packs of up to thirty of these things

962
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,800
running together, and you get a good sized pack twelve

963
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,159
fifteen of them. I don't care how big the Sasquatch is.

964
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,800
It's not going to win. This is not going to

965
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,119
be a one on one fight.

966
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Speaker 1: Do you believe the Kenon type dogmen are obligate carnivores.

967
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're very opportunistic too.

968
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,719
Speaker 1: If they are obligate carnivores playing the devil's advocate, do

969
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,039
you think they come together in numbers only once in

970
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,159
a blue moon or do you think they make a

971
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:21,119
habit out of doing that, Because if they made a

972
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:23,719
habit out of doing that, if you think about the

973
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,320
daily CLOrk requirements of one dog man, that's six hundred

974
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,159
plus pounds. If you multiply that times ten or fifteen,

975
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,920
you can only imagine how quickly they will go through

976
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,599
all the resources in a huge area. If that's the case,

977
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:40,960
how do you think they combat that.

978
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: They go to a different area. They never stay in

979
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,400
the one area for very long because they understand that

980
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:56,039
they can't deplete all the resources in one area, So

981
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,199
they're going to give it time for those resources in

982
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:05,079
that area be able to read, you know, regroup, regenerate

983
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:11,000
it before they'll come back. I mean, they're they're from understanding,

984
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:16,599
like Bigfoot, there territories can extend hundreds of miles.

985
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,719
Speaker 1: To us traveling that far, that's a big problem. But

986
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,159
for these guys, you know, that's just a hop skipping

987
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:25,239
a jump for the most.

988
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,599
Speaker 2: Part, exactly. I mean you think you think, uh uh,

989
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:32,599
you know, I'm sure that they you know, they have

990
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:36,119
my migratory paths. You know, when they go meet, probably

991
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:42,360
different clans meet up to meet, you know, so there's

992
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:47,159
not so there's not inbreeding between you know, between the

993
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:47,800
same plan.

994
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,119
Speaker 1: Can you imagine I'm sorry, uh.

995
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,639
Speaker 2: Bigfoot are known to do that. Uh, they basically, you know,

996
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,920
they meet up in the fall. You know, clans will

997
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,159
meet up in a fall, and families will you know,

998
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:10,280
swap up males and females among the clans of breed.

999
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,519
I'm sure the dog men probably do the same thing.

1000
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: Can you imagine running into an inbred dog man? That

1001
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,679
wouldn't be good.

1002
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: You know. The wondering that scares me about the creptage

1003
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,679
is running into one to be gut the gout contracted bradies.

1004
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that wouldn't be pretty at all.

1005
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:40,039
Speaker 2: That would be bad. I think that would be to me,

1006
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,840
would be my worst case scenario.

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01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not my idea. Of a good time. I've

1008
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,760
thought about that before. It does make you wonder. I've

1009
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,840
got another good question for you. It's from Blood Vipa,

1010
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,239
and he wants to know do you think dog men

1011
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,280
follow my green paths from territory to territory.

1012
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,239
Speaker 2: I believe they do.

1013
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,639
Speaker 1: When you make a living the way these guys do.

1014
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,599
Just imagine how well they know all the paths to

1015
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:19,600
get from one spot to another. I mean, that's their life.

1016
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure along the way. I mean they're migrating.

1017
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,720
If they could take some farmer's cow or take their pig,

1018
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,760
they're going to do it if they know they can

1019
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,640
get away with it.

1020
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it only makes sense. We're an hour and ten

1021
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,840
into this. I need to tend to the animals, so

1022
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:41,680
I'm going to get ready to call this. But before

1023
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,680
I do call it, do you have any clothes and

1024
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,840
comments you want to put out there for us.

1025
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: The only thing that I can tell you is when

1026
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,079
you go in the woods, don't go alone, be the vigilant.

1027
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,520
Always look to the trees, and don't become something's different.

1028
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: Well that's really good advice, it really is. Thomas. I

1029
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,439
can't thank you enough for coming on and imparting all

1030
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,039
this knowledge on us. I really do appreciate it, and

1031
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:13,600
of course if you'd be open to it, love to

1032
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,159
have you come back on in the future.

1033
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:20,079
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, VIC, most definitely great.

1034
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:24,239
Speaker 1: Of course I'm looking forward to that. Well, again, thanks

1035
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:26,520
so much for your time. I really do appreciate it,

1036
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,600
and of course I want you to know if I

1037
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,720
can ever help you out, please let me know. I will.

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01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 2: VIC, most definitely.

1039
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,239
Speaker 1: Good man, I'll be there for you. All right. Well,

1040
01:09:37,239 --> 01:09:39,720
having said that, thanks again so much for your time,

1041
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:46,800
and have a great night you too. Thanks. We'll see yuh. Well,

1042
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,039
that's another one in the books. Before I get out

1043
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:50,800
of here, just want to put it out there. Two

1044
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,319
things if you didn't realize it. I've got a new

1045
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:59,039
Dogman podcast. It's called dog Men Tails, and tails is

1046
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:05,039
not spelled tea ils, it's spelled t A l Ees

1047
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,640
and reference to the fact that we're talking about fictitious

1048
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,760
stories on that channel, it's dog Me Entails again. It's

1049
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,039
not available on YouTube. It's only available via your favorite

1050
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:20,479
podcast app. It's available wherever you listen to podcasts, including

1051
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,920
iHeartRadio and all the other podcast platforms out there. So

1052
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,760
check it out. I think you'd like what you hear. Also,

1053
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,439
if you've had a Dogman Encounter that you need help

1054
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,760
coming to terms with, or if you want to come

1055
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,640
on the show and share it with the listeners, please

1056
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,399
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If

1057
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,800
you do that, I'll be more than happy to contact

1058
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,960
you and that way we can schedule a phone consultation.

1059
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,800
But having said that, thanks again so much as always

1060
01:10:49,880 --> 01:11:10,239
for listening, and have a great nights.

1061
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: English