Speaker 1: Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your
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Speaker 3: Blood as it is Mud. He's a man, Van McMahon,
Speaker 3: Van mcman, the man Man. It is a Tuesday on
Speaker 3: the program. You know what that means.
Speaker 1: It's time for our weekly conversation with the legend himself,
Speaker 1: star of every ESPN and then quite frankly TNT broadcast.
Speaker 1: I'm watching out this way, Tim McMahon. A lot of
Speaker 1: TV face time for our guy these days. Tim, how
Speaker 1: you doing, buddy?
Speaker 4: Oh hey, partners. I was about to go just kind
Speaker 4: of scroll the court. Uh, you know, I'm getting ready
Speaker 4: for this Western Conference Finals, and now they decided to
Speaker 4: do a sound check. Excited to retweet back to the
Speaker 4: bowels of the pay Calm Center.
Speaker 3: I see, I see.
Speaker 1: I had a friend text me the other day and said,
Speaker 1: is Tim intentionally placing himself where he knows he can
Speaker 1: get the most camera time on these games?
Speaker 3: So I just have to ask you that right out
Speaker 3: of the gates, Well, listen.
Speaker 4: I like those court side seats. I'm gonna squeezed out
Speaker 4: of them tonight, you know, Western Conference Finals, you got
Speaker 4: all these other folks coming in NBA folks taking my seat,
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna I guess still got a good one.
Speaker 4: But I'm all from the corner. I won't be right
Speaker 4: behind the visiting coach where you get a lot of
Speaker 4: good airtime.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: I will take advantage of you on the show today,
Speaker 1: not literally, but I will take advantage of the time
Speaker 1: to ask you about the Jazz, even though I know
Speaker 1: there's not a lot to talk about. There's just a
Speaker 1: ton of reports that after falling to five, they are
Speaker 1: going to try to be bold and maybe potentially move up.
Speaker 1: Who in front of them, Tim, do you think is
Speaker 1: most likely to trade their pick and you think the
Speaker 1: Jazz can get involved?
Speaker 4: Well, I think most likely would be san Antonio. But
Speaker 4: I think if san Antonio's traded that pick, it's probably
Speaker 4: an A Yannis type type of package. It will not
Speaker 4: be the Mavericks. Number one is not available. Aside from that,
Speaker 4: I could really probably see any of those other teams
Speaker 4: willing to discuss because look my understanding of this drap,
Speaker 4: I'm by no means of draft guru. I've watched like
Speaker 4: maybe a total of three or four hours of college
Speaker 4: basketball this year, but that's not true about five or
Speaker 4: six anyways, Cooper fly Clip at number one, uh, number two, Harper,
Speaker 4: Dylan Harper and then kind of the conversation as far
Speaker 4: as you know, buging no out of beholder probably starts
Speaker 4: at number three. So I think especially you know, three
Speaker 4: or four I think could be up for grabs if
Speaker 4: the Jazz are willing to obviously incentivize that they've got
Speaker 4: a tough future, picks to play with, you know, extra
Speaker 4: picks to play with. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 4: there's you know, with I don't know with with Philly. Honestly,
Speaker 4: taking Paul George might be considered to be appealing, So
Speaker 4: you know, we'll see what happens. I think there's a
Speaker 4: lot of things that are possibilities.
Speaker 1: Have you been able to connect with anybody over here
Speaker 1: about their thoughts on, you know, falling to five and
Speaker 1: their thoughts on being in a position, UH to potentially
Speaker 1: try to be bold based off of all the assets
Speaker 1: they have. Do you have any any idea tim wherey
Speaker 1: head is that of the Utah Jazz front office right now?
Speaker 4: Well, listen, obviously very disappointed to fall to five, but
Speaker 4: also fully understanding that was statistically the most likely of
Speaker 4: any scenario. I mean, there was like a forty eight
Speaker 4: percent chance they end up with number five take and
Speaker 4: only fourteen percent chance of number one. And so you know,
Speaker 4: we'll see what that means in terms of aggressivenessess as
Speaker 4: far as moving up what this summer looks like. But
Speaker 4: you know, I did talk to somebody who basically basically
Speaker 4: indicated to me that, hey, tankings are really risky strategy
Speaker 4: at the lottery off it's flattened, and you know, there's
Speaker 4: a there's discussions that need to be had about the
Speaker 4: rationale for tanking versus the risk of ending up in
Speaker 4: this scenario and really the challenges that come along with
Speaker 4: real player development when quote unquote player development's your priority.
Speaker 1: We learned this year that nobody's off limits. I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: if Luca can be traded, anybody could be traded. But
Speaker 1: you think the Jazz would actively shop. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to throw market In and Kessler out there, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I think those are the only two players that I
Speaker 1: would say have proven to be here for the long haul.
Speaker 1: Do you think they would be on the table potentially
Speaker 1: and maybe the Jazz just go all in on being
Speaker 1: really young and kind of starting the clock.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're asking two different things. Would they
Speaker 4: actively shop or would they be on the table. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure about actively shop. I think anything is on
Speaker 4: the table. I mean Traden Lowry marketing in and trading
Speaker 4: Walker Tesser was on the table for the Jazz last summer.
Speaker 4: They were just asking for, you know, an extreme premium
Speaker 4: type of price. And like there's a lot of talk
Speaker 4: about marketing and the Warriors, nothing ever got close because
Speaker 4: not only were the Warriors not including Brandon Pajevski in
Speaker 4: any conversations, which is a deal killer, but they weren't
Speaker 4: willing to go all in on the picks and the
Speaker 4: Jazz wanted up things. Look, could those kind of conversations
Speaker 4: be restarted? Sure, I could see that again. I think Kessler,
Speaker 4: they were asking for a lot last summer, and given
Speaker 4: the circumstances, I thought he had a really really good season,
Speaker 4: only adding to his value. My guess is they will
Speaker 4: both be in Utah next season, but I don't think
Speaker 4: it's a certainly by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: One more thing here, Tam, your buddy Bobby Mark sopped
Speaker 1: on yesterday and did an excellent job of outlining just
Speaker 1: how we have entered this era of parody in the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's a topic that's been discussed quite a bit. You've
Speaker 1: got you guys have dug into it on the hoof
Speaker 1: collective and you know, the markets like ours, Cities like
Speaker 1: ours have star players championships, not Milwaukee Denver, and then
Speaker 1: we have Indianapolis, Minnesota, and Okay, seeing the conference finals.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like, and Bobby was great with this.
Speaker 1: You know, the new CBA expires in twenty thirty, so
Speaker 1: that's a five year runway. It just kind of adds
Speaker 1: a little bit of sting around here that the Jazz
Speaker 1: aren't ready to capitalize on this landscape that seems to
Speaker 1: be built for a city like Salt Lake and a
Speaker 1: team like the Jazz.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I hear what you're saying, And I would
Speaker 4: just remind you that the Jazz just and we can
Speaker 4: debate the semantics of contender, right sure, but I'm going
Speaker 4: to say the Jazz just had a pretty long chapter
Speaker 4: as a contender that closed. You know, they're trying to
Speaker 4: open up a new one. It feels a million miles
Speaker 4: away right now, but you know, it's not that long ago,
Speaker 4: that that Rudy and Donovan or there in Utah on
Speaker 4: a team that you felt like had a chance but
Speaker 4: just never was able to get over the hump. You know,
Speaker 4: could never break through. But you know had the best
Speaker 4: record and was that the best run in the NBA
Speaker 4: that year? Yep, So you know, again it's not like
Speaker 4: it's just been eons and eons of the jazz out
Speaker 4: in the wilder and if they had a chance, you know,
Speaker 4: they weren't able to get over to hump for a
Speaker 4: variety of reasons. They decided to go ahead and pivot
Speaker 4: from that and break that team up. And now you know,
Speaker 4: it's been a few years of this. I'm sure it's
Speaker 4: tough to live through. It feels like it's been a
Speaker 4: long time. It's frustrating. But again, this is that you're
Speaker 4: not the Charlotte one. It's it's been forever, you know,
Speaker 4: or the Washington Wizards or one of those type of teams.
Speaker 4: This franchise has recently experienced a pretty high level of success.
Speaker 1: Surely you have a hot take on Isaiah Calier and
Speaker 1: Kyle Philipowski not making either first or second team All
Speaker 1: NBA Rookie.
Speaker 4: I will be honest with you, I skimmed the AL
Speaker 4: rookie selections and they have not really sunk my peek
Speaker 4: into uh or done a whole lot of thinking about them.
Speaker 4: Color surprised me a little bit. Yeah, that surprised me
Speaker 4: a little bit. I thought the Jazz in a nice
Speaker 4: little marketing campaign. They they sent me some of those.
Speaker 4: One of those posters is on the wall one of
Speaker 4: my boys, So you know, Lescott have to vote to
Speaker 4: my house about Unfortunately, my boys don't have an official ballot,
Speaker 4: but kas Isaiah Callier fans in North Dallas.
Speaker 3: All right, moving on.
Speaker 1: We were able to get six minutes on the Jazz,
Speaker 1: which is more than I thought we could.
Speaker 3: So let's move on. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm impressed that you were able to play along,
Speaker 1: but that's why you're a pro. I continue to give
Speaker 1: you credit. And I talked about this to start the
Speaker 1: show because with about three weeks in the regular season
Speaker 1: left you on the regular season, I asked you, who's
Speaker 1: the team they can throw punches with OKC And the
Speaker 1: answer would vary based off the week. You know, the
Speaker 1: Lakers get Luca could beat the Lakers. The Warriors get Jimmy,
Speaker 1: could it be the Warriors. You're the one that said
Speaker 1: watch out for Minnesota, and I read this morning. I
Speaker 1: did not know this. The two best records in pro
Speaker 1: basketball since March first are Oklahoma City and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Timberwolves side of things, is what
Speaker 1: are your main takeaways with how they finished the regular
Speaker 1: season and how they've been able to advance to the
Speaker 1: conference finals.
Speaker 4: You got to start with Julius Randall and look, for
Speaker 4: a lot of the season it was about figuring out
Speaker 4: the Randall fit and it was clunky and like could
Speaker 4: he really not just coexist but thrive with an You
Speaker 4: got two kind of ball stopping, you know, star type
Speaker 4: of players. What's you know? They like to operate kind
Speaker 4: of similar rhythms where they're kind of getting each other's
Speaker 4: way and bogging things down for each other. For a
Speaker 4: lot of the season, the space room wasn't quite right.
Speaker 4: You know, there's also the ruty factor as far as
Speaker 4: part of the spacing and ingredients there. They took a
Speaker 4: long time to figure things out. There as a lot
Speaker 4: of button their heads up against walls, a lot of frustration.
Speaker 4: They felt like they were making progress and then boom,
Speaker 4: it'll make you know, gets his hammy, so he's come
Speaker 4: back from that hand. Me though, this thing is taken
Speaker 4: off of them. You know you mentioned the record down
Speaker 4: a stretch. You know, obviously they they sitting here in
Speaker 4: the Western Common finals. Randall, a guy who had a
Speaker 4: reputation as kind of a playoff dog. To be honest
Speaker 4: with you, after extint New York has been awesome during
Speaker 4: his playoffs. He has been a bona fide, legitimate All
Speaker 4: NBA caliber co star. This is the guy. He's been
Speaker 4: All NBA before, but not in the playoffs and played
Speaker 4: at that level in the playoffs until this season. But
Speaker 4: here he is. You know, they've obviously got a really
Speaker 4: good defensive team. They've got the uh, you know, top
Speaker 4: top level type of superstar. In an er, it was
Speaker 4: approaching the top level. But this really is clicked because
Speaker 4: Julius Randall has found his comfort zone and has taken off.
Speaker 4: And you know, this is a big team with two
Speaker 4: go to guys you know, up and down the roster,
Speaker 4: dudes who are scared to get the nose dirty. In
Speaker 4: terms of defending, I will say Raynal's playing the best
Speaker 4: defense phase career too. That's been a major factor and
Speaker 4: you know, we're going to find out what kind of
Speaker 4: fight they can put up against the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1: Is there a home for Mike in this series? Mike Conley,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, four or five years ago at six',
Speaker 1: one he still had decent shift ability and speed moves
Speaker 1: move side to. Side when you look at Ok, see
Speaker 1: Even Cason wallace is six.', THREE like i Wonder if
Speaker 1: mike is going to be able to play big Minutes
Speaker 1: For chris finch in.
Speaker 4: This, series well and that's that's one of the questions
Speaker 4: that we're going to, Find out like con is no
Speaker 4: longer like a thirty five even a thirty plus minute per.
Speaker 4: Game guy obviously he's kind of Shifted into morley a.
Speaker 4: COMPLIMENTARY role i do think though he still has value.
Speaker 4: FOR them i got to, protection defense so you got
Speaker 4: to kind of hide him a little, bit defensively but
Speaker 4: just the, calming presence, you know kind of, the orchestrator
Speaker 4: the guy who keeps. Things organized i'll, say this even
Speaker 4: if he doesn't play a, whole lot he's got extreme value,
Speaker 4: for him just as that stage veteran voice on the
Speaker 4: bench and in the, locker room and, you know an
Speaker 4: extra pair of eyes and Ear St. Anthony edwards so
Speaker 4: who do you?
Speaker 1: Think draws who do you think draws the primary Assignment?
Speaker 1: ON ant, i mean with an offensive talent, like that
Speaker 1: you want to throw a bunch of different looks, and
Speaker 1: okay see has a bunch of.
Speaker 3: Different bodies Is? It dort Is? It jalen Is?
Speaker 1: It shay who do you think he draws THE primary, i,
Speaker 1: mean hell We Saw, alex Caruso Gard. Nikola jokich who
Speaker 1: do you think draws the primary Assignment?
Speaker 4: On ant it's sure as that will Not. Be shay
Speaker 4: it's gonna Be. Lou Dort lou dort's gonna start off.
Speaker 4: ON him i Think lou dort will spend the most time.
Speaker 4: ON him i think it's primarily going To. BE lou
Speaker 4: i think he's also going to see a hell if
Speaker 4: he Goes to Case. And wallace my guess Is that
Speaker 4: crusoe is going to spend more Time On julius randall
Speaker 4: when He Will. Anthony edwards i'm sure he'll see. Him
Speaker 4: some but, you know Think about cruso's impact defensively so
Speaker 4: far in. These playoffs Completely Eight Jaron jackson junior live
Speaker 4: in the first round And then, game Seven the thunder's
Speaker 4: big Adjustment was ruso ended up being the guy who
Speaker 4: spent the most Time on joker in. That, game now
Speaker 4: there's a lot of help obviously, involved there but one
Speaker 4: of the great Strength of crusoe as a defender in
Speaker 4: addition just had insane hands, and instincts is that this
Speaker 4: is a. Tough dude he's got the ability to. Guard
Speaker 4: UP so i think he'll be THE primary i don't think.
Speaker 4: IT starts i think he'll get more time anybody Else On,
Speaker 4: julius randall AND again i think lou Dor On anthony
Speaker 4: edwards to me is as fascinating with an individual matchup
Speaker 4: as you could possibly come.
Speaker 3: UP with i agree on the, Other side sga Is?
Speaker 3: It jaden is? It ant who draws the primary assignmon ON.
Speaker 4: Che i would think they would start Off with jade
Speaker 4: McDaniels on him for the simple fact that you don't
Speaker 4: necessarily want and to have to exhaust that kind of
Speaker 4: energy playing forty plus minutes per, game now and it's
Speaker 4: going to get his fair share of time. On HIM
Speaker 4: but i don't think he wants him to have to.
Speaker 4: Do that from the opening tip of game.
Speaker 1: One, for Sure, all right the go. Bear factor, of
Speaker 1: course we are familiar with it, around here and, YOU
Speaker 1: know i was thinking about this Tim Watching mitchell robinson
Speaker 1: really guard like five positions on a couple of different
Speaker 1: possessions With the celtics and the modern day five out
Speaker 1: spacing offensive attack that most teams like to use is
Speaker 1: a really tough ask on. Most, Bigs now rudy can,
Speaker 1: handle it even though some people think that. He cannot
Speaker 1: how do You think okase goes about. Their business do
Speaker 1: you think they're going to try to go small to
Speaker 1: at Least, neutralize rudy make him chase these perimeter players around.
Speaker 3: The floor.
Speaker 4: It's like a pit a pitcher with like, eight, Pitches,
Speaker 4: Right like they've got a lot. Of stuff they can
Speaker 4: go a lot of. DIFFERENT ways i think they start
Speaker 4: off with their two gigs and kind of go. From
Speaker 4: there And and game one is Really For. Mark dagnall
Speaker 4: it's kind of a feel. Out game it's still on
Speaker 4: a lot of different Things that i'm seeing how they
Speaker 4: respond to is seeing how they. Handle it they do
Speaker 4: have the ability to play hit in a lineup that
Speaker 4: is fied out with a subcn footer on. THE floor
Speaker 4: i think we'll see a lot. Of, that honestly looking
Speaker 4: at It from, MINNESOTA'S perspective i think, feel, like hey
Speaker 4: let's see if check and hit shots hadn't shot it
Speaker 4: well during. The playoffs that goes back to. Last year,
Speaker 4: you know THEY certainly i think we'll play small some
Speaker 4: With with cluso almost AS a i guess there's a
Speaker 4: small ball center and then just kind of a crazy
Speaker 4: switching type. Of lineup AND again i think they'll go
Speaker 4: too big some with with or a lot to, start
Speaker 4: games Certainly with Hert. And STEINHOLMER so i think there
Speaker 4: will be a lot of different. Looks there and you,
Speaker 4: KNOW what I. Go beert obviously you Think, of rudy
Speaker 4: you think, of defense full time deepens play of, the
Speaker 4: year and just you know he's going to have to
Speaker 4: be awesome on that and in. THE floor i think
Speaker 4: his screening in this series is going to. Be Critical
Speaker 4: lou dort is as good as there is in. The
Speaker 4: league as that's got a part rolling, by me they're like,
Speaker 4: A hundreds But lou dort is as good as there
Speaker 4: is in the league at navigating screens and Obviously getting
Speaker 4: dort off of and is going to be, a huge
Speaker 4: huge Deal. For minnesota so, You know rudy prides himself
Speaker 4: is the best screen in. The league that's to be
Speaker 4: put to the test in.
Speaker 1: The series in, The playoffs Shay And jalen williams combined
Speaker 1: Are averaging, let's see this would be forty nine point
Speaker 1: six points between the two. Of them Aunt And julius
Speaker 1: randall averaging forty nine. Point four so it's nearly a
Speaker 1: standstill better one to two Offensive Punch Aunt julius Randall
Speaker 1: jal williams.
Speaker 4: So far in. These playoffs, so far in, these playoffs it.
Speaker 4: Has been it has been And joyous randall, Because Honestly
Speaker 4: jayn williams hasn't had a great, playoff series so are a?
Speaker 4: Great playoffs great postly was, So far he's had some.
Speaker 4: Good games he's not shot the, ball though he's not
Speaker 4: shot the. Three wheel he's playing with a really painful.
Speaker 4: Wrist injury don't want to use this as, an excuse
Speaker 4: but like if you saw the k job underneath that,
Speaker 4: shooting sleeve you Know what i'm. Talking about they need
Speaker 4: more Of The jade Doug from. Game seven if they get,
Speaker 4: that GUY then i think. It's, okay see because let's
Speaker 4: just be straight up as awesome as ann, is days
Speaker 4: there's the only two other guys that would put a
Speaker 4: conversation with him is in terms of that level of
Speaker 4: offensive talents the guy That the thunder just Beat and
Speaker 4: luca those are the only. Two guys this dude just
Speaker 4: average dam thirty three points a game that the league
Speaker 4: is scoring on sixty plus through, shooting percentage, you know,
Speaker 4: crazy efficiency, you know great assistant, turnover ratio like the
Speaker 4: guy can school in so many. Different ways he's the
Speaker 4: best offense player in. The SERIES but I Think jaylen
Speaker 4: williams is four and it's a pretty distant form in
Speaker 4: terms of the postseason, right now.
Speaker 1: Chet is okayse's. Third option Who is minnesota's? Third option
Speaker 1: or is it? By committee.
Speaker 4: It's, by COMMITTEE and i think. You would you could
Speaker 4: argue that it's their. Sixth man you could argue this
Speaker 4: not big or. Seventh Pain even scenzo. Nas reed, You
Speaker 4: know jay McDaniels has had some big games in, These
Speaker 4: PLAYOFFS but i think he's a guy who's going into
Speaker 4: a series like you want to you want to see
Speaker 4: if he's made. Them shots but you know there are
Speaker 4: nights where he looks like that type. Of DUDE so
Speaker 4: i don't think there's a clear cut third Option.
Speaker 1: For bill, All RIGHT before i say, you loose do
Speaker 1: you have? A lean this feels like a, heavyweight. Fight,
Speaker 1: man okay see is, the favorite, of COURSE but i
Speaker 1: would not Sleep. On minnesota are you leaning one way or?
Speaker 1: The other and?
Speaker 3: WHY oh i.
Speaker 4: Definitely would lean towards the scene that won sixty, eight
Speaker 4: games have the best point DIFFERENTIAL in, nba HISTORY and
Speaker 4: i would cite those as the as the. Two REASONS
Speaker 4: but i think it's gonna be a. Heck serious?
Speaker 1: Fair enough, All, right tim thanks for, the. Time man
Speaker 1: enjoy the game tonight should be a.
Speaker 4: Good one, appreciate, you Brother.
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Speaker 1: of pro BASKETBALL with Okc. And Minnesota oklahoma city is
Speaker 1: a six point five, point favorite and then tomorrow night
Speaker 1: it is time For The eastern conference side of things
Speaker 1: As The New. York knicks we'll welcome In The boston
Speaker 1: Celtics To Madison, square garden first conference finals for the
Speaker 1: nixt since the year two thousand when they played, coincidentally
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