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Speaker 1: All right, Jason, So here's my idea. Two doors open

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up and you're sitting in a steamy, hot bath and

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then you like get out and you're naked and you're

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crawling across the floor and you're looking at me in

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this like seductive kind of way. Yes, okay, but why

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are we doing this for a podcast? Who's anything about

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a podcast that's the Windows Cry?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Okay, who said anything about Win Dove's Cry?

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Speaker 4: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast with your.

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Speaker 1: Co hosts James D. Graves and Jason's Halliwen. All right, everybody,

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welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcast.

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We are here for the Prince Sign of the Times

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portion of our two part episode Sign of the Times

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versus Joshua Tree by YouTube. I am pumped about this comparison.

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Speaker 4: This is going to be major because these albums in

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nineteen eighty seven are considered to be the best of

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these iconic artists.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, And that's it's really interesting because I am

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a Prince fan, but I was not a Sign of

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the Times fan, but Sign of the Times, even though

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it wasn't as successful as Purple Rain. It's considered his

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best piece by most reviewers, right, I know, right, and

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I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: For me, before we dove into this, Purple Rain was

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my go to one of the best albums of the

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nineteen eighties, absolutely top of the heap for me, I

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knew the hits on this one, but for us to

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take a deep dive and this has been a lot

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of fun. I'm anxious to hear what you think. We've

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got a lot of songs to cover. I hope you'll

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stick around and join us on this journey. We're going

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to talk about each song. We'll talk a little bit

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about the history of Prince and his discography and what

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was happening right before Sometimes came out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is an iconic moment for me and

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you because this is the first time we've been recording

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in the same room, I know, since we did our

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Coming to America Versus Trading Places episode. This is this

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is a huge deal. I mean, COVID hit and all

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of a sudden zoom was the way that we handle things,

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I know, right, But because of my mess ups in

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various areas, we're here in the same room recording together,

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and I'm glad to be back together this. Yeah, I

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didn't see it much better, much better way to do things. Okay,

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So are we ready to jump in too? Sign of

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the times? Let's do it man. Okay, So we got

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we typically start with the history of the artist in

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this portion. But Prince was a very shy kind of reserved,

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was not out there given a story to a bunch

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of people, and so there's not a whole lot out

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there about him as a young man. Right.

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Speaker 4: He was the son of a singer and a musician jazz,

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both of them, right, both gifted musicians known really as

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a child prodigy.

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Speaker 1: His mom and dad were in a trio, a jazz

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trio called the Prince Nelson Trio, Okay, because he was

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named after his dad, But he didn't really Junia. He

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didn't really like the name Prince, and so everybody who

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went to school with him growing up called him Skipper

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because he liked the name Skipper. And I'm listen, like

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you had the choice between Prince and Skipper, really you

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want Skipper? Okay? All right, Okay, So he grew up

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in Minneapolis, yes, and he just loved he loved the town. Yeah.

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as a young man of color is he didn't really

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get a whole lot of exposure to music beyond what

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was just on the basically one radio station they had

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up there, which was a whole lot of rock as

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opposed to motown and rhythm and blues and that kind

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of thing. And he got those things from the record stores.

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who also became kind of well known musicians, they were

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listening to led Zeppelin, they were listening to Jimmy Hendrix,

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they were listening to all of the seventies rock bands

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of the day, and so that had obviously a profound

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influence on the way that he played.

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Speaker 1: He grew up playing music, just teaching himself how to

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play various instruments, and unfortunately his dad left when he

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was very young, like eight years old, and his mother remarried.

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it had this profound influence. Like he got to get

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up on stage and then like as he walked backstage,

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he saw all the dancing girls and the musicians and

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how James Brown kind of controlled the musicians, and how

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the dancing girls interacted with James Brown, and like he

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was ten years old at the time, and this was

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like a huge pivotal moment in his life. And he's like,

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I can see my future. I know the two things

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that I'm going to do. I'm going to run a

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band and I'm going to have dancing girls. So he

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started learning instruments and he started his first band, was

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called Grand Central. Okay, No, I didn't know that. No, Okay. Anyway,

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at some point they said, hey, you know you should

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come to the studio. Would you like to come to

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the studio and see how that goes. The Warner Brothers

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guys came to listen to him and they're like, let's

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sign him up. I heard that.

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sign to a record deal. They bring in Prince and

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they say, we think we've got a producer for your

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first album.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the guys in earth Wind and Fire,

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Maurice White, Marris White.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Yeah? Sign up?

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Speaker 4: And Prince says, no, thanks. I'm not going to turn

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this over to anybody else. I'm gonna produce.

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Speaker 1: Myself, right, And they're like, you're a nineteen year old kid.

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He's like, yeah, I want to produce. And they saw

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something in his eyes, and so they came in first day.

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do before we agree to let you produce the album. Right,

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a second, then he goes in, lays down the guitar

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track perfect, messes with the board, goes lays the drum

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track down perfect, goes messes with the board, lays the

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base down perfect, and they're like, okay, we can see

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that you can handle this. And he's like no wait, yeah,

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I really want to show you. And they're like, no,

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you're good, you can do He's like, no wait, you're

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gonna see what I can do, and then lays down

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every instrument and before he could get to the voiceter's like, okay,

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we get you're a genius. Will go now have fun

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is producing. His first album, called for You, comes out

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in nineteen seventy eight. It's released on April seventh, nineteen

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seventy eight, so he's still nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: So Prince's music from the beginning is about either sex

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Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy nine comes along, he doesn't waste any time

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back in the studio. Boom another album, nineteen seventy nine. Okay,

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so nineteen seventy nine he comes out with an album

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called Prince and a song that he made off that

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I Want to Be Your Lover. It's kind of his

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first well nine out of the gate, right, right, and

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then how about this song? So he did that back then,

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and then then Shaka Khan did that in nineteen eighty five. Right,

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it's like a number one hit nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: So after his second album, he's got a stay back down,

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I'm a little bit better. He goes to perform, and

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then he gets an invitation in nineteen seventy nine to

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he's doing some kind of silly dancing. It was not

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the coordinated pop and lock amazingness that he had. It

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is a little goofy, but you know, you know, he's

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on the American Bandstand, so he's already hit one level

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of success, right, and then what were you doing at

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twenty years old? Right? Yeah, yeah, I was quitting college.

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That's so. Then Nick Clark comes to interview him after

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his set, after his song, and he totally locks up,

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like he's got total stage fright, and Dick Clark is like,

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so I've heard you know, you play a lot of instruments.

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and like as he's about to answer, Dick Clark puts

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the microphone back and he's like, we're be with you

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in just a minute here, and he's like a thousands

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and he just he freezes up. He just panicked because

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suddenly he realized, oh my gosh, millions of people are

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listening to what I'm about to say, and he's not

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from the hip. And he wasn't ready for it. But

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after that he said that will never happen again.

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Speaker 4: Wow, he turned into Garth Algar. I like to play

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nineteen eighty dirty mind comes out. I had a friend

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of my church who carried this tape around with him

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all the time, okay, and he got in trouble for

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doing that, which you know at church, having Prince dirty mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean Prince had a lot of really

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graphic poor no for the topic, right yeah. Lyrics, Yeah,

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for sure, we want to talk about those lyrics or no,

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I would go for it. No better know sorry, family friendly? Yeah,

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family friends. So your friend had this tape and to

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get in trouble for carrying it around all the.

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Speaker 4: Time, Well it was, you know, it was on the

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confiscate whenever you find it.

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Speaker 1: List how many songs did Prince have on a filthy fifteen?

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We once had sugar Walls, which Sheena Easton played. Yeah,

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he had Darling Nikki from Purple Rain. Oh yeah, and

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then what was the other one? He had three magazine?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Sorry he had three?

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we covered the fifty fifteen. Yeah, flashback to our ac

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DC episode, right right, nineteen eighty one comes around. You've

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got controversy. Let's just paint the picture a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay. After the first or second album, he had come

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to his band and said, you guys need to find

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a character or personality. My character is going.

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Speaker 4: To be sex Okay, quickly moving on past controversy. We

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could do a podcast in each one of these. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So my first time, the first time that I saw

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Prince was I can remember this. This is I've told

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my first movie's story because it was in California. But

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it was nineteen eighty three. Are on our we were

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driving out to California, okay, and I can remember going

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into the hotel room, turning on the TV and seeing

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Prince and the Revolution singing nineteen ninety nine and thinking, Wow,

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this is different. I've never seen anything like this before,

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and it was shocking and amazing and I loved it.

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Speaker 4: So nineteen ninety nine is where I jump on board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen ninety nine is such a great pop song,

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but the subject matter made it the song of the millennium.

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Speaker 1: He had to see that coming. I mean, you know,

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I don't even know what to call it a millennium,

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right right. I mean he's he's singing the song with

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like seventeen years sixteen years before the year that he's

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singing about, and it's about kind of this armageddon apocalypse

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kind of idea. But he has to know this song

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is going to and when nineteen ninety nine rolls around,

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this song's gonna be big again. And it was, Oh

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for sure, and it was. And the video for that song,

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I mean, it's just to them on stage, but he

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his dance moves have moved from mediocre to phenomena. Right,

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also off of nineteen ninety and you have Little Red Corvette, Yeah,

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which is another thing, huge song, huge and so American.

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So we're blowing and going right now.

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Speaker 4: Then he comes to Warner Brothers and says, I think

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I want to be in a movie, right, right. I

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want to write and star in a movie, and I

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Speaker 1: And they're like, well, we like nineteen ninety nine and all,

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but are you sure you're ready for the movies? Right?

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Speaker 4: No, trust me, I've got this great story. It's kind

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of semi auto biutographical, and let's do it. So that

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movie is probably right now. Now there's two days.

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Speaker 1: To talk about. There's the movie, yep, and then there's

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the album, right And We're not here to talk about

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either one of those today, right, but we can't avoid

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it either. Oh, one hundred percent, yeah, no, it's it is.

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Wait wait, wait before we talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, you really need to purify yourself when the

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Waters of Lake mannitaka Okay, Purple Rain might be the

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best album in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's arguing, it's arguable, it's in the story,

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and it's it's in the lineup for sure. Yes, there's

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no question about that. I mean, Prince was not a

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megastar at this time. This this movie is the thing

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that made him a mixed start. But somehow by the

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time this movie comes out, By the time this movie

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is released, and I you know, they had the album

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come out first. That was brilliant on their part, obviously,

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but by the time this movie comes out, it was

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an event. I mean, you had superstars showing up for

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the premiere of Purple Rain, but.

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Speaker 4: You have the song when Doves Cry come out that summer, right,

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turned out to be the song the biggest hit of

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nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could go on and on.

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Speaker 4: You've got Let's Go Crazy, You've got Purple Rain, You've

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got I would die for you, darling, Nikki. I mean,

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you've got all these wonderful, wonderful songs. So he's at

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the absolute zenith of his popularity.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the few times in history that

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an artist has had a number one movie, a number

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one album, and a number one song all at the

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same time. The time that had happened before that was

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A Hard Day's Night with the Beatles. All Right, Yeah,

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that's a that's a pretty incredible accomplishment. What an amazing zummer.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So, coming off of this explosion in popularity

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and personal achievement, you roll into nineteen eighty five and

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you've got an album that comes out and it's called

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Around the World in a Day.

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Speaker 1: Right, more psychedelic. He's completely changed the way he's doing things.

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The Purple Rain was a significant different, significantly different sound

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than what had come before, except maybe nineteen ninety nine,

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nineteen ninety nine, nineteen eighty four. There was a change

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in the way that he had done stuff. His albums

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from the seventies were much more funky. There was there

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was a bit more of a disco feel, which made sense, right, sure,

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I mean sure, but he really dove into the rock

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scene with nineteen ninety nine and Purple Rain, and that

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brought a whole new audience to his shows. Then when

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he moves from Purple Rain into Around the World in

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the Day, it's another different sound it is.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely got a Beatles influence. You bring in the sitar,

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You've got some Indian type of feels to it. You

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do have two big hits off that album. You have

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Raspberry Beret and a song called pop Life. So that

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album comes out and it's a disappointment. Raspberry Bray big hit,

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but after that, not a lot of sales and certainly

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nothing compared to Purple Ray. Right, Okay, so that's eighty five.

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Nineteen eighty six comes around. He says, I'm going to

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do another movie, and this time I'm going to direct.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, then, for this.

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Speaker 4: Podcast the rented and watched Under the Cherry.

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Speaker 1: Moon, you made a significant sacrifice, and I honor you

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in that sacrifice. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Let me just let me just talk about this for

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just a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: It was an hour and forty minutes of beating Okay,

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but here's what you got. You got Prints in his Prime,

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You've got the bad guy from Beverly Hills, cop Rambo

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and Octopusy we talked about.

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Speaker 1: Him, Oh right, Stephen Burker, Stephen Burkoff, there we go.

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Speaker 4: You've got Kristen Scott Thomas and her opening movie. She

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looks gorgeous, okay, right, and then at different points in

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the movie, whenever he sings and performs, he's spectacular. So

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Under the Cherry Moon bombs critics kill it in Cherry

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Bombs and.

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Speaker 1: Cherry Bombs, and nobody went to see it.

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Speaker 4: So the album that goes with Under the Cherry Moon

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is called Parade. Yeah, there's a song on there that

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I personally love. It's called Mountains, one of my favorite

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print songs. But the song that everybody knows is kiss

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right Pretty Woman.

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Speaker 1: Julie Roberts sings it in.

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Speaker 4: For Kids, very very famous number one hit. Actually when

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the Grammy in nineteen eighty six for Best R and

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B Song.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yep.

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Speaker 4: But still Under the Jerry Moon bombs. Parade as an

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album not well received.

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Speaker 1: Right, and it's not like he's not doing good stuff.

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Then it's just not he's not doing good stuff for himself.

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Speaker 4: So he's got two we'll call it three disappointing events

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that may make people wonder if Purple Rain is just

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kind of a shooting star. Right now, keep in mind you,

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I just want to point out nineteen seventy nine, eighty

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eighty one, eighty two, eighty four, eighty five, eighty six.

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He puts out an album almost every year. Yeah, and

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just very very prolific artists.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So you get to nineteen eighty seven and you say

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to yourself, well, maybe he's out of music.

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Speaker 1: No, false, that is not true. That's not the problem.

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Speaker 4: He has three albums that he wants to put out

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in nineteen eighty seven, all at once.

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Speaker 1: Right. So Jimmy Jam was a part of the Time,

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which was one of Prince's side projects, and Jimmy Jam said,

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just just speaking to his work ethic, he said he

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would come and rehearse the Time for four hours or something,

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you know, just making sure that they were flawless. Then

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he would go rehearse with the Revolution himself, and then

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he'd go and go to the recording studio by himself

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and just write these amazing songs. And he'd show up

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the next morning to work with the Time again and

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he's like, oh, hey, listen to this, and they're like

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when did you make this? He's like, oh, last night.

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He's like, yeah, do you sleep man? Yeah? You just

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your NonStop workaholics. So he just, like I said, Minneapolis,

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you didn't have stuff to go do because it's cold,

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so you just he holed up and made amazing music,

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a lot of it, extremely prolific, a lot of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's three things we got to talk about as

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we entered nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: This to me was fascinating.

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Speaker 4: There's an album called The Dream Factory that he had

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been working on. Okay, and the Dream Factory is a

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project that he had worked on with the Revolution YEP.

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And it was just a as you went you collected

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these odds and end songs and then he would collect

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enough of them to have them on an album.

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Speaker 1: This is the album that he was really he had

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a lot more of Lisa and Wendy being a part

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of the writing of the music that was going to

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be in this album.

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Speaker 4: Right at the same time he's collecting songs for the

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Dream Factory, he's also collecting songs for an album called Camille,

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And we talked briefly about this in our George Michael episode.

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Camille is an album once again, he makes so many songs.

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He sings so much that he had grown tired of

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hearing his voice naturally, right, and so he would speed

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it up. You'll notice on you got the look and

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if I were your girlfriend, so that you have this

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Camille album and then you have this triple album called

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Crystal Ball.

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Speaker 1: Right. He was dating and ultimately engaged to Susannah Melvoin,

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who was the twin sister of Wendy Melvoyin, who was

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his guitarist. Right, Yeah, Yeah, Wendy melvoy came on whenever

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Dez left the band because Des had gotten very religious

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and wasn't really cool with all of the sex stuff

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that was going on in prints at the time. Right,

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And so she's his guitarist. He ends up dating her sister.

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They become close, they're living together, they're engaged to be married.

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And so she's a part of building Paisley Park, which

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is this compound that he has where he's not only

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going to have his own recording studient, you, he's going

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to have his own clothes making manufacturer. I mean he's

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doing it where he got he has everything in one spot.

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And so she, you know, she's in there like a

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new wife. Like decorating the place and doing this stuff,

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and she ends up painting this mural of this crystal

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Ball on the wall, and that is what the inspiration

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for album crystal Ball is.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's cool, that's cool. So he has dream Factory,

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which he ultimately says uh nah, and Camille, which had

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a cover image and a catalog number. It wasn't like

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this is just a jink around project. There was a

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press records. There were some pressed records of Camille. Then

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he came up with this triple album called crystal Ball,

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and he takes it into the record executives and he says, hey, guys,

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here you go. This is my epic masterpiece, crystal Ball.

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And they listened to it and they were uncomfortable with

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the length and they weren't blown.

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Speaker 1: Up right, And Princeton had free reign on what he

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was doing, like he was given complete creative freedom in

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all albums up until this point.

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Speaker 4: And keep in mind this is after the failures of

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Around the World in the Day and Parade, right, And

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so the executives were like, this is we can't have

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a triple album. We have to charge forty bucks for it, right,

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Sales will be in the tank and we can't do this, and.

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Speaker 1: They don't know how to tell him because they've given

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him all this freedom. So they're like, Okay, we just

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need to carefully break it to him. I don't want

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him to know what we're going to say. Carefully break

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it to him, all right, right, And so they call

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and he won he won't to answer their phone call,

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and then he has somebody call them back. It's that

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they're waiting on the phone, and as soon as he

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picks up the phone, he says, so here, you don't

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like my album, right, right?

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Speaker 4: And the guy tries to backtrack and he's like, well,

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that's that's not really the case, and right, I believe him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that he didn't like the album. It's just

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too long, too much, too.

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Speaker 4: Much, and so he said, we got to cut it back.

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Record executive said to himself, well, appease him. We'll make

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it a double, right, not a treble, a double right.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know what Prince's reaction is at this point

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other than he's mad. He's mad, And so in preparation

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they're like, Okay, I guess maybe we should pick the

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best two albums worth of songs and we'll bring it

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to him, and they do that, and he calls and

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Susan Rogers's engineer answers the phone and they're like, hey,

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we need to talk to Prince and she says, well,

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you can't talk to him right now. He's been up

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all my editing the album down because you guys didn't

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want all of these songs. So he had already starteds

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like he's obviously mad, but he's just like, Oh, I'm

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just gonna do it. It's going to beat him to

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the bunch. Cut a third of my Baby, you know,

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cut it off.

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Speaker 4: So he takes Crystal Ball wills it down, yep, and

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that becomes signing the Times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing of importance is while this stuff

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is going on, there's a problem with the revolution.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we really need to backup and talk about that.

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Speaker 1: He had been working on Factory with Wendy and Lisa,

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and there were definitely songs that were coming about there,

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but then the band started to have some concerns about

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how much money they're getting paid. I mean, they are

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a huge driving force behind what he's doing. And yes

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he's the one with the work ethic, and yes he's

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the one that's brought him to this point, and he's

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the obvious genius and artists, but they're like, hey, there's

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a lot more money coming in, but we're still making

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the same amount of money that we were back in

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nineteen eighty one, right, and so we you know, like

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to talk to you about maybe, and that made him furious.

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And so they are on their parade tour. You know,

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they're getting some bad vibes from him initially, and then

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for their last show, he destroys his cloud guitar on

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stage and they're looking at each other and you know,

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this is not like the who you know breaking their instruments.

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They can tell he is pissed, and they turned to

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each other and they're like, we're fired. Were fired, and

471
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,759
they were right, yep, they were fired.

472
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 4: They still don't really understand what went wrong, but asking

473
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,720
for more money did not sit well, right, and it

474
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,880
just caused tension and he just wanted to change, yeah,

475
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,880
and they got the boot.

476
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: When he talked to them, he was like, I need

477
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,079
to go places that you guys can't follow me on

478
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,440
and like, well, what are you talking about, and he's like, well,

479
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:27,000
crossless panties and nippoles, bross, Like what I mean, We've

480
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,359
we've reached the stage that we are artists. We don't

481
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,119
need to do that give me attention stuff anymore.

482
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: Well, plus he had his other band projects, my of

483
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,839
them lost their singer, and so he brought in a

484
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,440
horns player, a couple of horns players, and so the

485
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,799
band was morphing into something different.

486
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: So anyway, doctor Fink is the only member of the

487
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:53,599
Revolution that comes to be a part of the new band.

488
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,559
Speaker 4: The drama and the changing of parts and the evolution

489
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,200
of the band and the firing of the Revolution and

490
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440
all these songs in a fight with the record company,

491
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,519
and you have all this drama and disruption and failure,

492
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,279
and it brings us to the doorstep.

493
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,079
Speaker 1: Of Sign of the Times. Let's talk about the album cover. Okay,

494
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,160
let's talk about the album. So the album cover is

495
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,119
shot by Jeff Katz, who's a famous photographer, especially for

496
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,480
musical artists. And he goes in and they've got this

497
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:28,279
stage kind of set up. You know, if you did

498
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,519
you watch Sign of the Times, the movie I did,

499
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,160
you are a trooper. Yes, I'm just I'm I'm honored

500
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,759
to be sitting in the same room with you watching

501
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,400
these movies that I like. I watched I didn't get

502
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,799
through the first song on the Times, and I like, okay,

503
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,079
I got other things to be doing. So anyway, they've

504
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,359
got this kind of weird stage set up and they've

505
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480
done a bunch of shooting with Jeff Katz of all

506
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,599
these photos and Prince just they're wrapping it up and

507
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,960
they're leaving, and Prince says to Jeff like, wait, take

508
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,440
one more picture, and Jeff Katz is like, you know

509
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,079
you're not gonna being focused in right there, and Princess, yeah,

510
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,559
I know, he says, Okay, takes the picture, develops it

511
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,640
brings it to him. Prince is completely out of focus

512
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,920
and you've just got this mess of a stage behind him,

513
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,720
and he says, that's it. That's the album cover. Okay.

514
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:20,799
Before we dive into the album, I just got one

515
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,039
more Okay, one more thing to that which got so

516
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,720
this album, as we said, is significantly different, and it

517
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,880
has a whole lot more jazz elementation to it than

518
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,359
the other albums that he has, which is interesting because,

519
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,880
as we discussed before, both his mom and his biological

520
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,799
dad were jazz musicians, right right. Miles Davis ended up

521
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:47,000
on stage with Prince on the sign of the Times tour, right, yeah, yeah,

522
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:50,480
And so he's he's excited that he's got his parents

523
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,319
in the audience. But the other aspect of Prince's personality

524
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:58,720
is that he is this incredibly competitive guy. Right. We

525
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,720
know this Michael Jackson history. Like he's up there playing.

526
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,160
When Michael Jackson come to see his show, he'll go

527
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
and play the bass in his face. When Michael Jackson

528
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440
would come to his house, he would beat the pants

529
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,880
off of him in ping pong and basketball.

530
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,119
Speaker 5: You know.

531
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 1: It was just he's such a competitive guy and he

532
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680
has to prove that he's the best. And so knowing

533
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,000
that Miles Davis is about to come on stage with him,

534
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,279
he's thinking, I'm gonna I'm gonna mess with him. I'm

535
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,640
gonna totally screw him up, right, I'm going to change,

536
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,000
I'm gonna give the band the queue that they're supposed

537
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:31,839
to change. I'm gonna change in the middle of see

538
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,680
if he's really still got it, because I mean he's

539
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,480
Miles Davis's been doing this for years and years, right, right.

540
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
And so they're up on stage. He's excited because his

541
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,319
parents are excited, but he's ready to establish that he's

542
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:44,440
the man and Miles Davis is just you know, we'll

543
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,400
see right, and so he's all, you know, middle of

544
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,599
the song, all of a sudden, he gives the band

545
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,000
the queue to change what they're doing, and the band

546
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,880
is so in awe of Miles Davis and just staring

547
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,519
at him that they completely miss print queue and it

548
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:03,359
doesn't work at all.

549
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,279
Speaker 6: But it is like what what you know, He's just

550
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,119
frustrated and angry on stage because they his trick didn't work,

551
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,519
and all the band is just you know, enamored of

552
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:17,839
Miles Davis, and so it's a failed attempt to establish

553
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,759
that he is the rock king.

554
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,839
Speaker 1: That's funny.

555
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, our buddy Pat Kannagalla would be very proud of

556
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,039
you in your jazz story.

557
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: Are our friends of the thirty something movie podcast.

558
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: When you get out done with this, go check them out.

559
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: There are good friends over there. Yeah. Check out the

560
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Misery episode. It is amazing and disturbing and wonderful all

561
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
at the same time. Are we ready? I think we're

562
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,599
ready to actually jump into the album at this time.

563
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,160
Let's do it, Okay, okay, all right. So the first

564
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:53,279
song on the album is Sign of the Times. Sign

565
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:53,960
of the Times.

566
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: This song was released February eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven.

567
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: This is the first single.

568
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,559
Speaker 4: It was a ridge only on Dream Factory. It reached

569
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,000
number three in the US Hot one hundred, but it

570
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:06,480
was number one on the R and B S.

571
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: So Printz is at Sunset Sound in La and while he's.

572
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 4: There with his fiancee, Susanna Melvoine, there's an earthquake. That

573
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,799
earthquake didn't sit well with him, and so he felt

574
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:24,599
like the world is in peril right now. This earthquake

575
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,480
really set him off, and so he went out and

576
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,200
got to copy the newspaper. And on the July thirteenth,

577
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:36,279
nineteen eighty six copy of the La Times, the headlines

578
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,960
were AIDS epidemic out of control, star Wars leads all

579
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:46,000
defense costs, New AIDS findings to alert the world at risk.

580
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,200
And then he got a copy of the Star Tribune

581
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,119
for the Minneapolis murder trial by a gang called the Disciples,

582
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,359
And so he took all of these things plus the Challenger.

583
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: Explosion you were doing. I was in my class.

584
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,359
Speaker 4: I was in my math class and we watched it

585
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,279
live in school.

586
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, kids were watching it live. I had gone to

587
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,440
do something and I saw it through the window in

588
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,200
another class happened.

589
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he had all these events and kind of

590
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440
swirl of problems in the world and he just got

591
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,480
to work on it on a Sunday and by Wednesday

592
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:32,319
he had completed the song, lyrics, music, everything.

593
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:31,839
Speaker 3: Fly.

594
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,599
Speaker 1: Yes. So, do you know what the name of the

595
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,400
song is based on.

596
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,319
Speaker 4: No.

597
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,839
Speaker 1: So he was a Seventh day Adventist and they have

598
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,720
a magazine that's called Sign of the Times, and so

599
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,400
he you know, he said he recorded this on a Sunday.

600
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,519
Susan Rogers said that that would be his most contemplated

601
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,640
like he recorded most of his songs on because it

602
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,400
was his most contemplative time. And obviously, I mean this

603
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:11,400
is the lyrics in this song are much more poignant

604
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,279
than most of his work up until this point.

605
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:14,599
Speaker 2: Right.

606
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: It's not darling Nikki, right, No, it's it's talking about

607
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,359
the you know, the tragedies that are going on in

608
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,920
the world right now and some amazing tragedies too. And

609
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,000
the video it completely focuses on the lyrics. I mean

610
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,319
there's no prints in the video. Word, there's no band

611
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,319
in the video. It's all words going with scroll and

612
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,039
vice that you you have to focus on the words

613
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,440
Sammy Hagar would have been proud. That's right.

614
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: So on the single you have a giant black heart

615
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,880
being held up by Kat Glover, who was his dancer, right, Okay.

616
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: So Kat Glover, just since we're bringing her up for

617
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,559
the first time, kat Glover got her fame from Star

618
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,199
Search from a dancing routine that she did with somebody

619
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,159
named Patrick. It was called Cat and Pat. Everybody would

620
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,960
talk about how much Prince looked like Kat Glover, and

621
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,920
it's at some point she did. She did a few

622
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,800
of the album covers, but one of them she really

623
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,599
really looks like him. And she gets a call from

624
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,679
Prince's dad who says it was this cover. Yes, she says,

625
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,320
please tell me that you ever this album. She's like yeah.

626
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,599
That means like, oh, thank Gonnis, I thought my son

627
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:47,000
had completely lost his mind. The heart is covering her face.

628
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so it would be possible for Prince to

629
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,400
be dressed in drag behind his hiding the spaceband this art.

630
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,440
So this song really dives deep into issues of the day.

631
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,599
You have aids, you have gangs, you have drugs, you

632
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,079
have the Challenger explosion.

633
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 1: What do you think of the song?

634
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:05,519
Speaker 4: You like it?

635
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,519
Speaker 1: So it's interesting musically, like this is it. I love

636
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,519
this song. It's a great song, but very stripped down

637
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,119
it is. I mean, this is very wind Dove's cry.

638
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000
He was using one of the Fairlight synthesizers, which was

639
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,800
not unusual for the time. We talked about that with

640
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,599
def Leppard deaf Leppard. That was a big mutt laying thing,

641
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,320
was the Fairlight synthesizer. But what was unique about what

642
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,920
he was doing was he was using the stock sounds.

643
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,280
Musical artists are going to go adjust the delay and

644
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,760
the ambience and the reverb and getting the sound that

645
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,400
they exactly want, and he was just like, nope, I'm

646
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,159
just going to use the stock sounds that come out

647
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,880
of the synthesizers. That that makes it another layer of

648
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,840
the uniqueness. And then he does something in this song

649
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,519
and then it kind of you see more of it

650
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:55,719
in the other songs, and that is he's throwing off

651
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,280
the melody in the rhythm a little bit like when

652
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,360
he says, my cousin tried reefer for the first time.

653
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,239
Now he's smoking horse. It's June. The rhythm is off

654
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,079
like you expect the rhyme to hit and he says horse.

655
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,800
But then it's like delayed and he hits it's June,

656
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,280
which is not what other people were doing at the time.

657
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,079
They weren't throwing the rhythm of the melody off like that.

658
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:24,079
He's not rapping, no, he is sort of talk singing. Yeah,

659
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,360
it is interesting. It is stripped down, huge hit Spring

660
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,519
of eighty seven. Let's talk about the B side on

661
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,199
this one real quick, okay, sure. So the B side

662
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,519
is a song called La La La he he he.

663
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,719
I gotta say, I'm sorry. I like this song better

664
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,119
than probably ninety percent of Sign of the Times like this.

665
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,800
This song should have been on the album. This song

666
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,000
is fantastic. It's ridiculous and the dog barking kind of

667
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,400
rhythm that they have going on, but it's a fantastic song.

668
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,119
I can't believe it didn't make it on the album.

669
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:00,719
But I'm glad they put it on the B side.

670
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,519
We don't with Silotimes. Yeah, all right, let's move on.

671
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,159
Speaker 4: The next song is called Play in the Sunshine Time.

672
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so this song is not stripped down. This is

673
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,800
that full what you expect from Prince kind of song.

674
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,559
I like it a lot.

675
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's fun, it's joyful, it's playful. This song

676
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,599
reminds me of nineteen ninety nine, which is sort of

677
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,719
this idea of tonight, we're gonna have fun. It doesn't

678
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,239
matter what's going on in our lives. Tonight is for fun, right.

679
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:42,440
The piano in this sounds like a toy piano.

680
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: You know I'm talking about this, right, so, and I

681
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,280
love at the beginning he's has that squeals. He says, oh, doggies. Yeah,

682
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,000
it's a good song. I like it. The intro has

683
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,320
this kind of, you know, ambient noise of if you

684
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,079
were sitting out at a park somewhere, the sounds that

685
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,639
she would be hearing. It's got kind of a Beatles'

686
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:06,440
White album style about that. But yeah, good sound. And

687
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,360
I like how he interacts with his band a little bit.

688
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: There's some back and forth, he says drummer, and the

689
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,360
drummer's like some fun stuff that they do with the song.

690
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,760
Especially after the serious tone of Sign of the Times.

691
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,400
This is full on fun.

692
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Let's not get too serious, right, all right?

693
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:32,159
Speaker 4: So we both love playing the Sunshine. Let's move on

694
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,800
to the next song is called Housequake. Shut up already, damn.

695
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: So we're back to strip down again, right, Yeah, this

696
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,039
kind of sounds like storm or something. Yeah, with the

697
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,440
rhythm that's going on. So what do you think? I

698
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:48,039
like it.

699
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: I don't like it as much as Playing the Sunshine

700
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
and some of the Times, but it's good. It's it's funny.

701
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,119
You've got that sped up voice, that Camille voice.

702
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: Right.

703
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: It was originally intended to be on the Camille album.

704
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360
It was on the Camille album, right that part of

705
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,039
the beginning with this shut up already. Damn it's kind

706
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:05,719
of funny, you know.

707
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

708
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 4: This was recorded the day that he fired the revolution wow.

709
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and had to be inspired by the earthquake that

710
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,599
he actually experienced, right, I think so? Yeah. Yeah. So

711
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:21,800
the music on this one it's simple and not complex.

712
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,519
I mean it's just weird to me because we know

713
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,920
that Prince is this incredible musician, but he's doing something

714
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,320
with basically like three instruments. It's not right. It's not

715
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,320
out there to wow yet.

716
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: You know, this was considered to be the first single

717
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,679
released on side of the Times. Why that he liked it.

718
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840
He wanted it out there, okay, but in my opinion,

719
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:44,800
not in the top half of this up.

720
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,599
Speaker 1: But I like it. This song was born out of

721
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:54,760
a jam session with the Bengals, Suzanna Hoff's Majors. Ye,

722
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:03,320
her movies terrible? All right, does anybody know about the quake?

723
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,880
Shut up already? Damn. Okay, you're done with that, all right.

724
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Let's get to a song called the Ballad of Dorothy Parker. Okay,

725
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,119
so this one, the drum machine is obvious. Yes, that

726
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,519
drum machine is unmistakable. It is the whnn LM one

727
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:25,719
drum machine that has that totally eighties. This is what

728
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,159
we're listening to in the eighties. Did you like this song?

729
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:28,519
Speaker 4: No?

730
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,159
Speaker 5: Wow?

731
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is one. I mean, this is a

732
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,039
huge like everybody loves this song and you don't like it? No,

733
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,840
I don't. I don't like it either. I don't get it.

734
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,000
I mean it's he's doing something very, very different. I'll

735
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400
say that, you know, and I told you whenever we

736
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,320
were talking about Michael Jackson that I was disappointed that

737
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
when Michael Jackson, after five years from Thriller, comes out

738
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,079
with Bad, which I just felt like was Thriller Part two,

739
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,760
and that prince you know, say what she will. He

740
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000
completely changed the way he was doing stuff. I mean,

741
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:03,599
he's mixing funk he's mixing soul, he's mixing psychedelic and

742
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,239
pop and electro and rock, and he's got all of

743
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,400
these things going on. And I don't know what the

744
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,360
song mean. Sorry.

745
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: No.

746
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,119
Speaker 4: In fact, I read enough and then listened to enough

747
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,320
that I felt a little browbeaten by people telling me

748
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,679
how great it was. Yeah, and I just I couldn't

749
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,119
get there.

750
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a lot of hate for saying that.

751
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,199
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to all the Prince fans out

752
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,400
there who love the song. You've got to be honest

753
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880
about how we feel. This is just not my taste.

754
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,719
It's not me either.

755
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I got a couple of interesting things on this, Okay,

756
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,599
go all right. So despite the fact that neither one

757
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,199
of us enjoy the song. Dorothy Parker is a mid

758
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,679
twentieth century writer known for her wit.

759
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,119
Speaker 1: That's who Dorothy Parker is.

760
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,119
Speaker 4: Prince just chose a name that he thought sounded cool.

761
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,679
This was the first song recorded at Paisley Park. Okay,

762
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,719
So he and Susan Rodgers are working in the studio.

763
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: He's anxious to get going.

764
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,639
Speaker 4: This is the time in his life when he could

765
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,320
couldn't go one day with that recording some type of

766
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,360
music and the sound system had set up at his

767
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,519
new house and he was wanting to test it out

768
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,000
and see how it went. And he asked the guy,

769
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,079
is it ready and the guy says, yeah, it sounds good.

770
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: It's ready to go.

771
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 4: And he's like, all right, great, and so he and

772
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Susan Rodgers go through there this twenty four hour marathon

773
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,559
session where they're going to record and refine the ballot

774
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:24,440
to Dorothy Parker.

775
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: Right.

776
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 4: But the whole time she's listening, she's like, sounds crappy, right,

777
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,079
it sounds the recording board is a huge influence on

778
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:32,880
how the thing sounds.

779
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,159
Speaker 1: And they've got this brand new recording board in brand

780
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,920
new studio and she's like, this sounds like we're underwater. Yep.

781
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: And she's like, I can hear it. I know he

782
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
can hear it. He's going to kill me and think

783
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,920
about working on it for twenty four hours straight. But

784
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,719
she did not have the freedom or didn't feel like

785
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,119
she could say, hey, hold on a second, we got

786
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,519
to call this off and do this tomorrow.

787
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,599
Speaker 1: No, she said, you do not interrupt prints. That's right.

788
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:56,360
If he's on a roll, you let him wrong. Yep.

789
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,199
Speaker 4: And so that's why the sound is a little bit

790
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,519
garbled in this song.

791
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: I think she corrected most of it. But well, he

792
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,000
gives it. I mean, it gives it a unique sound,

793
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,440
which obviously that's what he's going for on this album.

794
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,000
By the way, you were talking about Dorothy Parker being

795
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,039
this famous writer, right, Yeah, you know he had no

796
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:18,000
idea who she was when like this. Eric Leads is

797
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:19,800
one of the guys from the family that he brought

798
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,360
in to play the saxophone and a lot of these

799
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,360
songs on this album, And so he hears it and

800
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,119
he's like, wow, I had no idea that he knew

801
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,119
who Dorothy Parker was. I'm super excited. And then he

802
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,119
tells him and Prince is like, I just like the name.

803
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,719
I don't know who that is. Oh, Lyrically, I don't know.

804
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,199
Have you looked at the lyrics of this song?

805
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: He talks about taking a bath with this pants on?

806
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,960
Sure because he's dating somebody else. Yeah, sure, Dorothy, I'll

807
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,840
take a bath with you. I'm slowing my pants on.

808
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,280
One of his musicians, talking about this song said, I've

809
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,559
listened to this song now for thirty years, and I

810
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:58,480
still can't.

811
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: Tell what genre of music that is. Yeah, it's not

812
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,559
our taste, not our tastes all right, we're not smart

813
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,639
enough for this song. It's our congratulations to everyone else.

814
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,159
Speaker 4: Who is I guess, yeah, okay, this is a spot

815
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:14,599
where you flip the record over to the side two of.

816
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,199
Speaker 1: Record one, right on side of the Times, Yes, and it.

817
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 4: Starts off with a song called it.

818
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,119
Speaker 1: All right. So once again you get that obvious drum

819
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:37,800
machine going on here, and there are very few fills

820
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
in this song. And then once again you've got that obvious,

821
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,159
fair light standard sound on the keyboards and that's almost

822
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,760
all you've got. I mean, obviously him singing too, but

823
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,840
that's it for the song. And it's really repetitive. I

824
00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:00,320
like this one, okay, I like this one. Korea a

825
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,719
mood and the repetition creates a mood. What do you

826
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,159
love about it? Well, it's just it's got a nice

827
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,760
beat to it. He's really leaning into his.

828
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: Vocals here, and I know he likes it, you know

829
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
how I know he likes it. This song was on

830
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,280
two versions of Dream Factory on Crystal Ball and made

831
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,239
the final cut for SI of the Times. Curiously, he

832
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,440
likes to play with his lyrics a little bit.

833
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

834
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,199
Speaker 4: So in the lyrics to this song it is capitalized. Okay,

835
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,280
so I t every time it's mentioned. I want to

836
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,760
do it all night long.

837
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: U What is it he wants to do?

838
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, all right, yep, okay, moving on the

839
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,639
next song, Starfish and Coffee.

840
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,159
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we have the bell at the beginning

841
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:48,079
of this. Let us know that other song is over.

842
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 5: It was some botifil on a night Miss Kathleen was

843
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,400
Kevin losing food line?

844
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:06,639
Speaker 1: Was I really dig this song. It's just it's fun.

845
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,360
It's not typical of him at all, and it's fascinating

846
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,440
because it's based on a real person. It is as

847
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,519
tells the story of Cynthia Rose, who was actually a

848
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:25,199
schoolmate of Susannah Melvoye and would actually they would you

849
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,519
have for breakfast? This morning? Is morning Cynthia? And she

850
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:34,320
would say starfish and peepee. So Prince, you know, took

851
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,800
a little liberty with that because Peep doesn't is not

852
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,800
quite as marketable. Yes, but starfish and coffee, maple syrup

853
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,079
and jam, butterscotch clouds, a tangerine and a side order

854
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:56,760
of hands jamange. I mean it really sounds like something

855
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,119
that you would hear on Sesame Street.

856
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: That you say that Becau because he actually did a

857
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:06,320
TV show called Muppets Tonight where the Muppets actually Rizzo

858
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,079
the rat comes to him, which we love the Muppets.

859
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800
He says, what do you get the ideas for your songs, Prince?

860
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,199
And he's like, actually, they make a joke because he

861
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,039
can't pronounce his name. And he's like, oh, you can

862
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:18,679
get it from anywhere. I can get him from this

863
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,280
or that or this or that. And he's like, why

864
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,880
dont you tell me what's on the menu today? And

865
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,440
he writes a song based on what's on the menu

866
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,559
called Starfish and Coffee. So Cynthia Rose was a autistic

867
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:33,559
savant friend of Susannah and Wendy. Yeah, and they asked

868
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,079
her every day. She'd come in, you know what I

869
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:35,760
had for breakfast?

870
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: Starfish and peepee.

871
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: So and so one day Prince came and said, you know,

872
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,880
I've been thinking about the girl that you told me about.

873
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:43,679
Speaker 1: Write down.

874
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: Everything was like, write it all down on a piece

875
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,119
of paper, and so Susannah would write, She'd write the

876
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,079
whole story down. Prince took that wrote the lyrics to

877
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,480
the song and actually gave Melbourne co.

878
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: Writing credit on this song. Love this song.

879
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 4: This was originally on Dream Factory. It makes me feel good. Listen,

880
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,159
that's great music is The music is cool.

881
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,079
Speaker 1: It's you've got this piano, you've got this backward guitar

882
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,360
bit coming in. But it's not overwhelming. It's just subtle

883
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,840
and kind of a nice little accent to the song.

884
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,519
The playful lyrics that you have. It's it's a beautifully

885
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,760
put together a little song. It just makes you happy. Okay.

886
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:34,679
Moving on to a song called slow Love. Oh my gosh, this.

887
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,559
I know this is great for some folks, but this

888
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,400
is not my I'm not into very white. I'm not

889
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,840
into the slow love making. No, I'm sorry. I know

890
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,199
other people love it, forgive me again. It's just not

891
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,400
my not my taste.

892
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 4: There's some interesting things about this song that I want

893
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,719
to talk about. Yeah, but it's not my It's not

894
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,480
my thing either.

895
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

896
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,599
Speaker 4: This was originally on Dream Factory back in the day

897
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:02,440
when Prince Prince would split time between Minneapolis and LA

898
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:06,920
and he would get a hankering for a song and

899
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,280
a hankering a hankering. So he's out in LA and

900
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,039
He's like, I want to work on Slow Love today. Well,

901
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,360
the master is back in Minneapolis, and so he would

902
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,719
he would call and say, hey, I need I need

903
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,559
that ship to me. Well ups is like next day.

904
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,440
Well that's not that is not fast enough for him.

905
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,440
So he would have somebody drive it over the airport.

906
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,239
They'd put it on an airplane like the next flight,

907
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,480
so it would be there in an hour, right, and

908
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,559
sometimes you'd have barbecue from.

909
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: When you get a hankering. When he got a hanker

910
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,159
in a hankering for barbecue, he'd have that son too,

911
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:44,760
that's great.

912
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,159
Speaker 4: So he had this master tape manually airshipped to him,

913
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,480
like in the next hour, so he could work.

914
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,199
Speaker 1: Wendy and Lisa worked.

915
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,559
Speaker 4: On this song with him again. This is before they

916
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,760
were fired. But he co wrote this song with a

917
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,039
named Carol R.

918
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:01,679
Speaker 1: Davis.

919
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: Apparently she was a friend of Princes, but she is

920
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,119
a actress and singer. Rumor was that she would was

921
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,159
dating Prints at the time, but swears that they were just.

922
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: Friends all right.

923
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: Moving on, Moving on, That brings us to a song

924
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,519
called hot Thing.

925
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: This song has that drum machine and that kind of

926
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,639
repetitive melody behind it. I still I like it better.

927
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: Though.

928
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: I like this song. It kind of is gives us

929
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,960
a taste of what's coming up on bad Dance. It's

930
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,119
got a very bad dance feel to me, you think, so,

931
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,480
oh yeah, for sure. See I would go to the opposite.

932
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:46,159
Speaker 4: I would say this song belongs on Dirty Mind or Controversy.

933
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,880
But hey, that's what it feels like to you, all right,

934
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,639
this is a striverer song, ho.

935
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: I THINGK Streber song. Sure.

936
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 4: This song reached number fourteen on the Hot R and

937
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,360
B chart, not a Hot one hundred, but the RB chart. Yeah,

938
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,079
so it's a good one. I don't love it, but

939
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:11,079
it's it's fun. So the next song is called Forever

940
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:11,920
in My Life.

941
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: So this one I have to think that he wrote

942
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,559
for Susannah Melboyne. Right right, they were engaged, right, who's

943
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,400
supposed to I mean, they were already living like they

944
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,280
were married. He has made this decision to settle down

945
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,440
with just one woman, and so I think that he

946
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,480
wrote it for But what I love is that after

947
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,480
he says it makes me want to settle down. Maybe

948
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,480
it's true, I think I do. I mean, I don't

949
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:42,800
know if this has to be a firm decision or not.

950
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,760
But that's the way I'm leaning. I think it's funny.

951
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,119
Speaker 4: When he played this for Susanna the first time. Yeah,

952
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:49,599
He's like, I want to play this song for you.

953
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:50,800
It's called Forever in my Life.

954
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's like, who's it about. He's like, we're engaged.

955
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,719
That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, I know you, by the way,

956
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,920
just because we didn't mention this before. When he fired

957
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,079
her sister, she didn't stay engaged to him after that.

958
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,440
It's a little hard.

959
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, Thanksgiving would be tough, right, all right, take that

960
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,840
record off back in the sleeve, pull out record too.

961
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:26,079
Speaker 1: Before we jump in. Unlike many other albums that are

962
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,639
double albums, this album was not a two pocket album.

963
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,480
The records the final were in their own individual sleeves

964
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:39,719
inside of the one pocket. The sleeves though, had this

965
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,119
cool these cool photographs of Prince and I think, I

966
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,800
think awesome. Cat Lever was on the other one too.

967
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,840
So there's two records, two records in one in one sleep. Okay, now,

968
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,760
two records in one pocket, two sleeves, two slaves, just

969
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:56,760
as confusing.

970
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,639
Speaker 4: But yes, I'm all right, okay, right, this is where

971
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:05,559
I get excited. Okay, starting off record too, You got

972
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:06,079
the look.

973
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 5: You here.

974
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: I love the way that it starts off in this

975
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,840
kind of dreamy sound and then bam, it's in the

976
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,360
face with the drums. That is very cool, very cool. Okay.

977
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,519
This song was a number two hits.

978
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 4: You Got That, peaking at number two the week of

979
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,519
October seventeenth, nineteen eighty seven, behind Lost in.

980
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: Emotion by Lecay. Lisa called James, this is a duet?

981
00:53:52,440 --> 00:54:02,639
Was she leasing? Right? And it's funny.

982
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 4: When he called her, he said, hey, I'd love for

983
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,280
you to sing on this song I'm working on, right,

984
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,199
So he called her up.

985
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: She came over.

986
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,639
Speaker 4: When she got there, she listened to it. She's like, well,

987
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,800
this song's basically done. So she didn't know it was

988
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,639
going to be a duet, so she just kind of

989
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,480
sang the whole thing. And when he listened to it,

990
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,840
she's kind of all over the place and took his

991
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,480
vocals and her vocals and constructed it into a duet.

992
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: It was back and forth in the World.

993
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:35,119
Speaker 4: Series as well, Boy Versus Girl the World Series. Interestingly enough,

994
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,960
the Minnesota Twins won the World Series in nineteen eighty seven.

995
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: Year nice, Thank you. Minnesota is important because that's where

996
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,079
Minneapolis is. Okay, she's not doing that geography thing and

997
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,719
a little trouble. Why I do it? Why is that good? Okay,

998
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:49,559
I get it.

999
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 4: This is the third single released July fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven.

1000
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:57,079
Speaker 1: Right, So she and Easton didn't know. I mean at

1001
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,599
the time, before the song came out, she had no

1002
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:03,159
idea she was a backup singer, which she was pretty

1003
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:06,199
big at the moment, right, she was doing well, But

1004
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,760
I was like, well, why would she come over if

1005
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,639
she's only a backup singer? But then I remember we

1006
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:14,840
talked about in the Motley Crue episode that Freakin Steven

1007
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,360
Tyler and Brian Adams were singing backup on the Motley

1008
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Crue songs. I guess yeah, all kinds of people with

1009
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,800
all kinds of fame don't mind coming to sing backups sometimes.

1010
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got an interesting story about this song. Okay, Okay,

1011
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:28,679
this is gonna blow your mind.

1012
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

1013
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,639
Speaker 4: So Prince had this female friend that loved particular radio

1014
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,880
songs that were pop friendly. She could not get enough

1015
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,880
of this one particular song, I'm gonna play for you

1016
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,880
here in just a second. Okay, And so Prince was

1017
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,800
certain that she just liked him because she was familiar

1018
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,639
with him, not because she really recognized or understood what

1019
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,320
it takes to make a good pop song.

1020
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: And so when he set out to write You Got

1021
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,320
to Look, he wanted to write.

1022
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 4: The most radio friendly, most ear candy song to try

1023
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,719
and test this theory on her. But this is the

1024
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:08,840
song that she liked at the time. So she loved

1025
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,639
the song Addicted to Love by Robert Pauler, right, and

1026
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:13,840
she could not help herself, but she would dance every

1027
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
time that song came on. And he's like, you don't

1028
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:23,119
know what a good pop song is.

1029
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: In the world. So and so You.

1030
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: Got the Look is based on Addicted to Love.

1031
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the video? Yeah, so dreamy beginning

1032
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,440
makes sense because he's fallen asleep sitting in front of

1033
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,239
his makeup mirror, right, and he dreams the video basically, right,

1034
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,000
And when the video starts, you've got Sheena Easton in

1035
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,079
this outfit that looks like what Prince would be wearing.

1036
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 5: Right.

1037
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: She's got the shoulder pointy shoulder pads, she's got the

1038
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,440
ruffled collar, and she's got her hair styled to the

1039
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:57,840
side just like he did. So it's just very you're

1040
00:56:58,039 --> 00:56:59,960
kind of confused about what's going on, and he's where

1041
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,360
a freaking fur coat right, singing like Emil. It's this

1042
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:08,559
very confusing, lust filled song. But I think they shot

1043
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,559
the video over two days, and so there's this weird

1044
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:12,920
if you go back and watch the video. I don't

1045
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,400
know if you noticed this, but there's this weird part

1046
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,400
where they're singing back and forth. If you're looking at him,

1047
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,559
like and it's a two shot and you're looking at

1048
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,599
her back. She's in that prince outfit with the shoulder pads,

1049
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,039
but then when it shoots to her, she's in like

1050
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:29,599
a bra top I mean in June and a ponytail,

1051
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:31,760
and you've got the cleavage and you're like, oh.

1052
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: Hello, Yeah, I didn't notice that this was shot over

1053
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,559
two days in Paris during the Sin of the Times tour.

1054
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,599
This one MTV Best Male Video was the thirty eighth

1055
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:43,760
biggest hit of nineteen eighty seven. But this is the

1056
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,000
interesting thing about this song. This track was recorded at

1057
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,880
the time he was shrinking Crystal Ball, So this is

1058
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,079
the only song on Sign of the Times that was

1059
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:57,599
not on either Camille crystal Ball or Dream Factory. This

1060
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,920
is how good he is. Oh, I've got all these songs.

1061
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,400
Oh well, I've got another one.

1062
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: I'll just throw together this massive hit.

1063
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,679
Speaker 4: Oh and it'll be a huge song for nineteen eighty seven,

1064
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,239
she Easton and Prince. I mean he wrote Sugar Walls

1065
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:11,960
for her. But on the Batman soundtrack there's a song

1066
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,079
called Arms of Orion. Love it and it's a Prince

1067
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,880
Sheena Easton do it right. If you haven't heard it,

1068
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,159
go listen to it.

1069
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well since you've been gone up in seven

1070
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:37,880
see a joke. So this song in the video you

1071
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:42,679
have she and Easton. Obviously you've got Sheila e doing

1072
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:47,079
her kind of acrobatic percussive thing. She looking good. She

1073
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,280
had and by the way, she was one of those

1074
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,960
people that Prince wrote big hit songs for, like her

1075
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,039
biggest hit was a song that he wrote life Right.

1076
00:58:56,679 --> 00:59:01,599
And you've got Kat Glover as well doing herd catscat

1077
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,960
amazing dances. A couple of things on this.

1078
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 4: In the lyrics of this song, yeah, he talks about

1079
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:20,239
coloring it peachin black. The Side of the Times tour

1080
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,960
was only in Europe. The European audiences were very involved audiences,

1081
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,800
and so he encouraged them to come to the concert

1082
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:32,760
wearing either peach or black or both. Based on this song,

1083
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,079
Susan Rogers, also his producer, said this song was birthed

1084
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:40,360
out of one forty eight hour session.

1085
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,239
Speaker 1: Holy two days, no sleep.

1086
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: Don't stop him when he's on a roll, all right?

1087
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,800
Next song, If I was your girlfriend?

1088
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: Would you man Man?

1089
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,519
Speaker 1: Hall of thing you forgot when I was Joel Man.

1090
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 4: This was the second single released May sixth, nineteen eighty seven.

1091
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: Originally on the Camille album.

1092
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: Only reached number sixty seven on the Hot one hundred

1093
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,440
in the US, but this was a hit in the UK.

1094
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty seven. The UK is going to be a

1095
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,559
little more accepting of a guy singing a song if

1096
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:28,000
I was your girlfriend and a girl voice, right. This

1097
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:32,719
is interesting because he puts himself in the shoes of

1098
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:37,559
like Wendy and Lisa, like being a lover and a

1099
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,800
friend of you know, like if I was your lover

1100
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,519
and if I was your friend, would you come to

1101
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:44,840
me if someone broke your heart even if it was me?

1102
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,880
Which is an interesting thing, you know, that's not something

1103
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,960
that other folks, I guess, tend to think about this song.

1104
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,639
Speaker 4: If you've ever seen the movie strip tease with Demi

1105
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:55,000
Moore and Bert Reynolds.

1106
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: It always comes back to the strip. Demi Moore does

1107
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:09,239
a little dance to this song, a little dance, particularly

1108
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,559
private dance for Bert Royland's character. He's so slimy and

1109
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,079
that things moving on.

1110
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,159
Speaker 4: To a song called Strange Relationship.

1111
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,599
Speaker 1: This song I love Hey.

1112
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: This song was originally on Dream Factory, then it went

1113
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,559
on Camille.

1114
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,719
Speaker 1: He is using his Camille voice here.

1115
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,519
Speaker 4: There's a lot of speculation about who this Strange Relationship

1116
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:38,000
is about.

1117
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,039
Speaker 1: I can't stand to see you happy? Yeah, I hate

1118
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:45,159
to see you sad, babe, all you and I wa'ts

1119
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,960
this strange relationship ship ship.

1120
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: Okay, So the original thought is that this was about

1121
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,719
Susannah Melboyne okay, okay, or maybe about Wendy or Lisa.

1122
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,679
But the truth is this song was created in nineteen

1123
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,360
eighty three, Okay. This song is about Vanity.

1124
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: Love Oh Vanity six Vanity. Yeah. So Vanity was the

1125
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:23,159
lead singer of Vanity six, and we discussed her in

1126
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,039
our Montley Creu episode as well, because when she broke

1127
01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:31,599
up with Prince, she started dating Nicky six, the bass

1128
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:36,639
player and foundation of Motley Crew. Yep. It's a good

1129
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,559
bit in that episode about Prince sending her roses and

1130
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,960
NICKI six seeing them. You should get check it out.

1131
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:45,519
Speaker 4: He gave the song to Wendy and Lisa in nineteen

1132
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:48,639
eighty three and told them to finish it once they

1133
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,159
were fired, and they heard the version that was on

1134
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,480
the album. Yeah, they were jealous and angry because he

1135
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:57,559
had taken all of their stuff out of it and

1136
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:02,639
morphed it into something different. This song, I love it.

1137
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:04,280
It's one of my favorite songs in the whole album.

1138
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: It's still got the drum machine in there, which is

1139
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,800
not my favorite. I mean it's not that I don't

1140
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,920
like a drum machine in songs from time to time,

1141
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,400
but I kind of wish, especially on this song, that

1142
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:18,960
he would have had an actual drum drum set go.

1143
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,840
It feels like a revolution song.

1144
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that it was about Vanity when

1145
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,199
she heard the song, Yeah.

1146
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: She was not happy. Stories are wife are right?

1147
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,039
Speaker 4: She is beautiful and crazy. Moving on to the fourth

1148
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:50,599
single song called I Can Never Take the Place if

1149
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:51,039
You're a Man.

1150
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: So now this song you have the real drum set right.

1151
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:59,320
I mean, this is old school Prince to me. This

1152
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,679
is not This is straight off of you know what

1153
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,840
this is? This is like Manic Monday. That's what this

1154
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,719
I mean. This song has a real similar vibe. Yeah,

1155
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,199
yeah to Manic Monday. I can see that. Yeah, this

1156
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,719
is very much mid eighties Prince as opposed to late

1157
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:15,360
eighties Prince.

1158
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,119
Speaker 4: This is my favorite song on the album. Yeah, it's

1159
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:18,800
a it's a.

1160
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:20,559
Speaker 1: Big hit in early eighty eight.

1161
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 4: This was on Dream Factory and then on Crystal Ball,

1162
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,360
But this song was written and recorded in nineteen seventy nine.

1163
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: Fine, whoa that day?

1164
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: But I could never.

1165
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:35,679
Speaker 3: Take Umlass.

1166
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: Back when he's just stern twenty first album. Yeah, and

1167
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,840
I listened to that version of the song.

1168
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:48,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there, but it's not the pop masterpiece that

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this one is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the Polish version that this is. It's

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I enjoy this song. I probably like Manic Monday a

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little bit better than the song, but I still say

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that this is a decent song. Oh my gosh, I

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love this song. The guitar sol on this I adore.

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He'll play a piece and then he'll mirror it, and

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he'll play a piece and then he'll mirror it. Yeah,

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and it's just it's just I love it. Yeah, it's

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a doodling do that, Yes, yeah, yeah, fancy trick, fancy trick.

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Speaker 4: Check this trick out, Check this trick out. Jordan Knight

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has a cover of the song Guy from the New

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Kids on the Block.

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Speaker 1: The Google Dolls have a cover of this song. It's

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pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Love it, love it, love it my favorite song on

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the whole album. All right, all right, take the needle off,

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flip it over side four, right, and we start off

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with a.

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Speaker 1: Song called The Cross. Okay, I don't want to talk

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too much of this, because this is my favorite song

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on the album. This song is so moving, so powerful, Black.

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Speaker 5: Day, stormy Night, No No, No, ho Panside, Don't Cry,

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he is Coming, Don't Die with doun knowing the.

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Speaker 1: Crowd builds in such an epic way. I mean, you're

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literally you're starting with a single note playing on the guitar,

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which moves into strumming, which moves into strumming with him singing.

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And it's such a passionate song. And as it builds,

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you have layer that gets added, and it comes in

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by the time you get to the end that you

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can tell that the tempo has increased in the song.

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You've got a crunching guitar, You've got this big crescendo.

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And as I'm sitting here and listen to this, you know,

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I told you I didn't have this album. I listened

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to this first time while we're getting ready for this,

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and I'm just I'm in awe. I'm just blown away

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at how good this song is. And I'm sitting there

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thinking to myself, this is like seven seeing the Future, right,

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And I'm thinking to myself, this is so good. This

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is so much like that song that I love because

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Seven's one of my favorite songs as well. And then

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he ends the song and it's got that harmony, that

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very specialized harmony that he starts off seven with, and

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so it's just I would love to hear how have

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this song end and how a transition into seven. I

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have to think that he had to do that when

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they did their live show, he had to have done

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a version of the Cross followed by seven, because it

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just fits too perfectly. Okay, Okay, I like it a

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little bit. This is a great song.

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Speaker 4: This is a great I saw a music writer talk

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about the song and said that if churches would play

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songs like this, they would have more people in the pues.

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Speaker 3: Bday Coming night, No, He's coming.

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Speaker 1: Susannah Melbourne.

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Speaker 4: We talked about how this was a Sunday song all right,

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so he was very contemplative on Sundays, and she said

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when she heard this one for the first time, She's like, well,

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he's feeling guilty about something, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was his deal. He would feel

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guilty about the second song, go Right to God song.

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Speaker 4: Also, in regards to this song, depending on when you

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01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:51,239
hear him play, he either sings it as the Cross

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or the Christ.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, kind of interesting. Yeah, that's impressive. This was

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,560
originally on in Factory. We both love this song absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, moving on to a song called It's

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,520
Gonna Be a Beautiful Night too.

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Speaker 1: So this song has a very more stay in the

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01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,199
time feel about it. I can totally see them popping

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01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:41,199
and sliding along and doing their little dance as they

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,680
are playing this song. It's got jazz feel to it

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,399
and it's so oh, I love the song. This is

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,439
this is one where you just you would be excited

1243
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,039
to be in the crowd because everybody would be having

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01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:53,600
fun as the.

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01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 4: Song is going. Totally totally this was a live recording

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01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,600
in Paris, August twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six.

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,199
Speaker 1: I love that they do the o eio from a

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01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:08,199
Wizard of Oz. I saw some Oh. Oh, they got

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01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:09,920
a lot more horns in this song. Uh huh.

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01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:13,039
Speaker 4: Get a little bit of Eric Leans on that taxaphone.

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01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,520
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, thank you say whatever? That thing is that

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,399
thing with the lung hey, what a hey? So I

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,680
love this song a lot of fun.

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah like it okay.

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Speaker 1: Finally, the last song on the album, song called Door.

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I think I know you're gonna think I hate this song,

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01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:50,960
but I actually kind of like a little bit. I

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01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:52,680
dig it a little bit more. I can't tell you

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,239
what is different about the slow love song, because they

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01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:58,199
both have that same kind of feel, but this one's

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01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,079
just a little bit more catchy to me. I don't

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01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:01,640
know what to say.

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01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 4: It's got some soul to it, It's got it's very soulful,

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:07,319
for sure.

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01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: But I like it a lot. I do okay this song.

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01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 4: In two thousand and nine, Essence magazine listed this as

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01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,399
one of their twenty five best slow jams of all time.

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In twenty ten, users of AOL Radio voted Adore the

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,479
number two best print song one of us.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's going a bit far, I would say, ye,

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01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,760
who said that? Users of AOL radio? So well, like

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,880
three guys. I don't know who these guys were. First

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,840
of all, this isn't the second best song on his album.

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:52,119
Speaker 4: Actually, it's not the second best song sid the album.

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01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: There's three songs. It's the third best. Oh my goodness,

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,119
it's good though. I like it. Yeah, and it's soulful.

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01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:03,479
It's not really my thing, but it's good man. I

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,840
like it all right. So that's the end of the album.

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That's the LP. They released the album, and so we

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,520
talked about how the way things were supposed to go

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,119
was album to her album to her album tour? Right? Yes?

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:20,279
And so he toured this album afterwards. Yes, he never

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01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:22,760
toured in the US, never had any of us. It

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,560
was strictly pure and he did some specialized show like

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he did some shows in Denmark. He felt like the

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American audience didn't appreciate where he was going with his music,

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:39,039
and he was probably right right, whereas the European audience did.

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01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:42,520
So it was all all his tour was in Europe.

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How are you the tour manager on this thing? And

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01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,760
Prince comes to you and says, hey, you know how

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,439
we were going to go tour all those states in

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,479
the United States. Erase that and put all the stuff

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01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,359
we've already done back in again because we're going to

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,439
do Europe some more. And that's right, right, I just

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want to do Europe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And then after that tour, Yeah, in nineteen eighty eight,

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he releases Love Sexy Moon right on to the next thing, yep,

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nineteen eighty eight Love Sexy, and then of course in

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eighty nine we get the Batman soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: Right. So, my neighbor Gudye, he was in France at

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,600
this time, right, huh. He saw the show, He got

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,800
to see the Sign of the Times show, and he

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,640
loves Prince loves this album. We sat it was one

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01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,920
of my listeners on this as we sat and listened

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01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,600
to this song, and then of course we sat and

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,640
listened to Joshua Tree after that, and he was like,

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,239
oh my gosh, this is so hard. I don't know

1309
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:41,039
how to decide which of these is better. But I

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01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:43,239
just wanted to say, what a typical set list, just

1311
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,079
so you can kind of paint the picture in your head.

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01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:47,319
Typical set list for the Sign of the Times tour.

1313
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,039
They would start the show Sign of the Times, which

1314
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:54,000
is completely appropriate, great beginning song, Yep. Then they would

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,880
play play in the Sunshine, Yes, Little Red Corvette House, Quake,

1316
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,760
Girls and Boys. Then they play slow Up, Bring it Down,

1317
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,640
Slow Love. Then they do it I Could Never take

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01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,960
the place of your Man. Then they would do hot Thing,

1319
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,319
Now's the Time, which just as a drum solo, which

1320
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,159
is a Charlie Parker song. Okay, they would do you

1321
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:17,600
Got the Look, then they do if I was your girlfriend,

1322
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,279
Let's go Crazy when Doves Cry, and they would in

1323
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:24,600
the middle of that song play the la la la

1324
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,239
he he heat thing that would play before Purple Rain

1325
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,199
in nineteen ninety nine. Pretty good concert, man, man, I

1326
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,039
would have loved. I mean, if only I was in

1327
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:36,640
Europe at the time, that would have been amazing. They're

1328
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,600
encore for Encore number one Forever in my life, Kiss

1329
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,920
the Cross, dude. I'd be losing my mind at that show.

1330
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:50,039
And on Core two It's going to be a beautiful night.

1331
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:53,760
What a great way to finish out a fantastic set.

1332
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,479
What a great show that would have been to see.

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 4: Well, that brings us to the end, Sign of the times.

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01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:01,279
Speaker 1: If you were still with us, that means that you

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,359
loved what we have to say, and I would like

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01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:34,000
right there, I'm drinking out of my custom engraved sameless

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01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:38,720
steel cup. And finally, if you do top Tier, you

1344
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,399
get to pick a show that we do. I mean,

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01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:43,840
that's pretty that's pretty good. Yeah yeah, yeah, but we

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,439
really do. We appreciate the support that you guys have

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,760
given us all year long. We're excited to be finishing strong,

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,560
excited for what next season holds, and we can't wait

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,840
to bring you guys part two of this comparison. We're

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,159
going to be back with YouTube Josh Tree another amazing,

1351
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,760
amazing album from nineteen eighty seven.

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 4: I think those two were released within like a month.

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: Just a few weeks of each other. Yeah yeah, So anyway,

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,840
join us here next week.

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Speaker 4: We'd love a five star review, Hit us up on

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