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Speaker 3: Welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 3: And Uh, tonight, I have a stranger emerging from the
Speaker 3: midst missed, not mist missed.
Speaker 5: A familiar stranger.
Speaker 3: It is it is, it seems to me Timothy Renner.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 3: And oh, what's this? He's He's handed me a new book. Yes,
Speaker 3: the Keystone Hagstone. Is it weird to have Keystone Hagstone
Speaker 3: together like songy fairies and other mysterious entities of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: which is not a place you normally think of this
Speaker 3: stuff from.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was surprised. It's three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty six pages. I did not think it was
Speaker 5: gonna be that. I did not think there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a cutch in size volume.
Speaker 3: And I believe and I believe Josh said that his
Speaker 3: new book's a little shorter than normal.
Speaker 5: So you guys might not singing the night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of even to each other out.
Speaker 5: Well, Josh is partly responsible for this.
Speaker 3: Book, yes, yeah, the the proving Josh wrong thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Wait, look I want to be clear about it.
Speaker 5: I love Josh to death. Yeah, but yeah, he just
Speaker 5: triggered a research kind of bone in me, you know,
Speaker 5: And I was like, no, I need to research.
Speaker 3: That, and what did he say?
Speaker 5: So I think I've told the story on here where
Speaker 5: I was. I was doing some gifting in hex Hollow
Speaker 5: and I had less some alcohol and I said I
Speaker 5: would like a skull. And I'm and I found this
Speaker 5: little stand of trees that I'd never been in before.
Speaker 5: It's like ten minutes later, and I walked into this
Speaker 5: stand of trees and there's a big stone mound in
Speaker 5: this in this basically a circle of trees, and I'm
Speaker 5: walking up this mound and I start seeing little bits
Speaker 5: of hair and then I see a freshly decapitated groundhog head.
Speaker 5: So I had asked for a skull. I got a skull.
Speaker 5: It was covered in gore, which I'm not a big
Speaker 5: fan of gore. Right like that, Yeah, didn't take it
Speaker 5: led to a bunch of problems because I broke the rules,
Speaker 5: including according to folk, where I believe it led to
Speaker 5: a serious problem. In any case, When I got home
Speaker 5: that day, I happened to call Josh and I'm telling
Speaker 5: him the story. And I said, Josh, if this was
Speaker 5: in Ireland, this would have been a fairy force and
Speaker 5: He's very sternly said to me, Tim, there are no
Speaker 5: fairry forts in Pennsylvania and something about that, just like,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's the experts. I kind of went, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: But then I was like, I wonder if there are,
Speaker 5: and I started researching. Right then, I started researching, and
Speaker 5: it took me a long time, but I finally found
Speaker 5: an article where it explicitly says, we have our fairy
Speaker 5: forts and our fairy raths here in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Huh, And what do you think it's just Pennsylvania. Do
Speaker 3: you think this is just like everywhere?
Speaker 5: Well, this was a particularly Irish town, right where a
Speaker 5: lot of Irish egrants came and settled. And I think
Speaker 5: people bring their folklore with them. So I think if
Speaker 5: you had a tight concentration of Irish folks in another
Speaker 5: town in some other state, likely they might have fairy
Speaker 5: fords around there too, or things. They call it fairy
Speaker 5: forth and.
Speaker 3: Explain that phrase. They bring their folklore with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, and this isn't an entirely original concept. I mean,
Speaker 5: people have been talking about this folkloret for hundreds of years.
Speaker 5: But when people come, when they move in this case,
Speaker 5: in the case of this book, you know, the Europeans
Speaker 5: came to Pennsylvania and they start seeing weird things and
Speaker 5: they give them. They say, you know, it's a leprechaun.
Speaker 5: And I think some people say, I'm using lepriquon as
Speaker 5: an example, and some people think, well, they can't see
Speaker 5: leprechaun because lepricuns are in Ireland. And I think that's
Speaker 5: a very materialistic, natural world sort of way to think
Speaker 5: of it, right, because you know, in Ireland they have
Speaker 5: what the red deer, and we have white tailed deer
Speaker 5: here and you know, so you know there are different species.
Speaker 5: Well the other, as you know, isn't like that and
Speaker 5: doesn't really obey borders, country, town or otherwise. So in
Speaker 5: the introduction I talk about this. I think it's it's
Speaker 5: natural kind of for people to say, well, maybe we
Speaker 5: should use the Native American names for these, and in
Speaker 5: some cases we do. But I think it's perfectly natural
Speaker 5: for an Irish person to see a little thing running
Speaker 5: around and call it a leprechaun, because that's their cultural history.
Speaker 5: And in fact they're describing it as leprechauns look as
Speaker 5: you know, dressed as leprechauns dressed, you know, with the
Speaker 5: little hats and the little suits and stuff that they wore.
Speaker 5: So we get into, you know, the question we often
Speaker 5: get into once shows like Yours in Mind is like,
Speaker 5: would it look like a leprechaun if a Native American
Speaker 5: will stand there next to them, it's all the same thing,
Speaker 5: or with the Native Americans seed something completely different. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but it seems like people bring their folklore
Speaker 5: with them. So these German immigrants they're seeing you know, albatwitch,
Speaker 5: they're seeing you know, the dragons and cobalds, and the
Speaker 5: people from Whales are talking about Tommy Knight in the
Speaker 5: mines and et cetera, et cetera. So you know, the
Speaker 5: folk whor travels with people, and I don't think you
Speaker 5: can avoid that.
Speaker 3: So this is something that Danielle brought up on last
Speaker 3: week's show. It's kind of interesting and I knew this,
Speaker 3: but it never really clicked. The Appalachian Mountains and modern
Speaker 3: Ireland were once part of the same structure.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think there's even an appalation trail in Scotland.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, Okay, So I mean it's kind of like, okay,
Speaker 3: so if this stuff is tied to the land somehow,
Speaker 3: did it just evolve differently, and Ireland in.
Speaker 5: Here, I mean it could have I think that falls
Speaker 5: into a trap of thinking of it like animals. And
Speaker 5: I really think this is tied to people in some way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it is. It's just a fun thing
Speaker 3: to play with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and certainly people tend to move to
Speaker 5: places that look like home. You know, the platin it
Speaker 5: is where most of the Pennsylvania Germans, the Pennsylvania Dutch
Speaker 5: came from. And there's in your county here, there's literally
Speaker 5: a place we call the Cador's Palatinate because yeah, they
Speaker 5: to it looks much like the platinum you know in
Speaker 5: Germany where all these people came from.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so when you were saying, you know, when
Speaker 3: if someone from a Native American tribes standing ne someone
Speaker 3: from Ireland, are they going to see the same creature?
Speaker 3: That's that's I don't know what they would see if
Speaker 3: they were standing next to each other, like separately. I
Speaker 3: think they would see different things, But would it have
Speaker 3: to reach some kind of consensus if they were together.
Speaker 3: I mean, people do describe things differently when they when
Speaker 3: they have encounters sometimes, Yeah, I mean, and we.
Speaker 5: Go back to my favorite Bigfoot encounter of Gage who
Speaker 5: was on Strange Familiars, who saw the white creature, and
Speaker 5: then his friend saw the black creature, and the third
Speaker 5: friends saw nothing at all, which I think is probably
Speaker 5: the perfect bigfoot sit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but in that case, though they're both bigfoot,
Speaker 3: it was just a color that was.
Speaker 5: Different, true, true. And I have a sighting with John
Speaker 5: at Site seven where we both saw it light it
Speaker 5: was the size was different.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And to me that's always like is it
Speaker 3: partially the brain interpreting and is it is it also
Speaker 3: like extra information?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: I mean with the thing that John and I saw,
Speaker 5: I even wondered is it the angle because I was
Speaker 5: like to the side to him or something. Is it
Speaker 5: literally just the angle I'm looking at it? It is
Speaker 5: enough to change it? I don't know.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about how Jeff Ritzman had a few
Speaker 3: experiences where you know, like he literally saw uf over
Speaker 3: a park and his wife was standing right next up
Speaker 3: and didn't see it, and he pulled her to where
Speaker 3: he was standing and she's like, oh my god, there
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, there's an old sort of folkloric device in
Speaker 5: Ireland where if one person can see something and another can't.
Speaker 5: You know. It's like usually regarding the fae, you're supposed
Speaker 5: to the person who can't see it is supposed to
Speaker 5: stand next to the person slightly behind them who can
Speaker 5: see it, put their hand on their shoulder, put their
Speaker 5: wrapped their leg around and kind of put it in
Speaker 5: between their two legs, and then they're supposed to be
Speaker 5: able to see.
Speaker 3: Hmm. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, because is that position or
Speaker 3: is that sharing energy?
Speaker 5: Right? Because they're touching as you know, like some people
Speaker 5: have said, yeah, just put your hand on their shoulder
Speaker 5: and looked though. Yeah, I don't know, all right. It's
Speaker 5: something I definitely am going to try in the future though,
Speaker 5: because there's been times where you know, I've been out
Speaker 5: with chat or whoever and like, oh I see something
Speaker 5: and I don't or vice versa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, Tim, So tell us what the
Speaker 3: other is. I know, after reading this book you have
Speaker 3: pretty much solved this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, we solve this all the time
Speaker 5: when you're.
Speaker 3: So in mine every week.
Speaker 5: Just a blanket word for these variety of things that
Speaker 5: we talk about so often that I have come to
Speaker 5: believe are all connected somehow how, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't know if they're all the same thing or if
Speaker 5: they're just connected. They certainly all act the same or similarly,
Speaker 5: So it's just a blanket name. So I'll just call
Speaker 5: it all the other and then sort it out later.
Speaker 3: Do you think they act the same though, because I mean,
Speaker 3: some of these things come across as malicious, others don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they act in as much as it's as like
Speaker 5: Brother Richard says that they're coming through in the same channels. Like,
Speaker 5: for instance, there's always smell. There's smells with Mari and apparitions.
Speaker 5: There smells with Bigfoot. On's a bad smell, wants a
Speaker 5: good stuff, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's they're
Speaker 5: very similar in that, you know a lot of these
Speaker 5: things climb up on roofs. You know that there's just acting.
Speaker 5: This is a weird detail. It's a very strange detail.
Speaker 5: But you know you find it again again with Bigfoot
Speaker 5: and with some of these other trolls and things from
Speaker 5: from the old world that you know, they'll just note
Speaker 5: that it will climb up on your roof. Okay, that's
Speaker 5: a very strange detail.
Speaker 3: And Brother Richard writes the introduction to.
Speaker 5: This Indeed, he doesn't I keep forgetting to mention that,
Speaker 5: so thank you for bringing it up. Yes, he wrote
Speaker 5: an awesome introduction.
Speaker 3: Yes he did.
Speaker 5: Or forward brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah right right, So, so as you break this down,
Speaker 3: so you're looking for the fae in Pennsylvania, what do
Speaker 3: you define his faye? And what don't you define his faye?
Speaker 5: That's the key, that's the hard part.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So you know fairies and lebricauns and banjies, that's easy, right,
Speaker 5: So what else? And I sort of expanded it to
Speaker 5: it's it's more of what I didn't include, right, So
Speaker 5: I didn't include single ghosts that that seem to be
Speaker 5: sort of your normal GHOT story. And I even say
Speaker 5: in there, at some point I might write a book
Speaker 5: that challenges the idea that ghosts or the souls of
Speaker 5: dead people good and ghosts are tied. Did the fae anyway?
Speaker 5: So I really could have, But you know there's a
Speaker 5: million ghost stories. I had to draw a line somewhere, right,
Speaker 5: So I don't have bigfoot because I've already talked about
Speaker 5: bigfoot in Pennsylvania. I didn't do wear wolves because I
Speaker 5: have a book coming on were wolves in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Is it just were wolves?
Speaker 5: Were wolves? Spook wolves, which is a ghost of a
Speaker 5: wolf or a ghost of a were wolf. We have
Speaker 5: those in Pennsylvania and sort of related things. Okay, And
Speaker 5: I didn't do like sort of alien ufo stuff just
Speaker 5: because you know, again, there's so much of it. You know,
Speaker 5: the book's big enough. Otherwise it's you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of used the rule of the old rule regarding pornography, like,
Speaker 5: I know when I see it there are groups of ghosts,
Speaker 5: like like armies of ghosts and gatherings of ghosts in there,
Speaker 5: because that feels like, you know, when people go out
Speaker 5: and they see a troop of fairies, often they'll say like, yeah,
Speaker 5: there was a troop of fairies and my dead relatives
Speaker 5: were with them, you know, so it kind of felt
Speaker 5: like that. So I have group of ghosts in there,
Speaker 5: but no like single ghost kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, well let's get let's let's get into some of
Speaker 3: the substance here. One of the I mean, you get
Speaker 3: into one of my favorite subjects pretty early on, which
Speaker 3: is lights. Yeah, and Barb Barbara Fish is working on
Speaker 3: a whole book of lights.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't envy. They're difficult to write about it, really,
Speaker 5: I mean they are. I wrote the lights chapter in
Speaker 5: the Prince end, and it's you know, what do you say?
Speaker 5: They're everywhere with regards of stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like they may be the core, basic
Speaker 3: emanation of the stuff.
Speaker 5: I've you know, I think I've stolen that idea from you,
Speaker 5: and I've gone with it more and more lately myself.
Speaker 5: I feel like they're just it might just be the
Speaker 5: primal form of or the the basic form of all this.
Speaker 3: Stuff before it resolves into something.
Speaker 5: Else you or gets skinned with whatever we see it,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that could also be plasma, you know,
Speaker 3: to some degree. Yeah, because I'm always fascinated by the
Speaker 3: willow wisps stories.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, there's and there's a ton in here.
Speaker 5: There's a whole chapter in the back, but I couldn't resist.
Speaker 5: The first chapter is on this town called Archibald, which
Speaker 5: is that town full virus people I was speaking of,
Speaker 5: and which has a very very kind of deep traditional
Speaker 5: what they would call fairy faith. They talk about like
Speaker 5: there's a fairy midwife story where the the so fairies
Speaker 5: often see human midwives. It says that fairies. The legend
Speaker 5: is that fairies don't reproduce well, right, so they will
Speaker 5: come to a human midwife because we're so experienced at like,
Speaker 5: we're very good at this. So there's these fairy midwife
Speaker 5: stories all over Ireland where like the midwife will be
Speaker 5: taken and she'll say or do something and then something
Speaker 5: horrible happens. In this case, she gets taken to the
Speaker 5: fairies and she's, you know, helping deliver this baby from
Speaker 5: the faith and she goes, oh, this place is beautiful.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to tell everybody, and this old, like
Speaker 5: this crookedy old fairy woman says, oh, no, you won't,
Speaker 5: and she takes her cane and she pokes her eyes out,
Speaker 5: blinds her, you know. So that's a very kind of
Speaker 5: traditional fairy midwife story. There's stories of Leprakainns and banshees
Speaker 5: around the town of pukas the puka in this town.
Speaker 5: It's very interesting because this is in northern Pennsylvania where
Speaker 5: they would have had elk So the puka takes the
Speaker 5: form of a of a man with an elk head
Speaker 5: and elk corns, which is pretty neat variant one, you know,
Speaker 5: like sort of a Pennsylvania puka. As I say so,
Speaker 5: but this town has all this light lore. But then
Speaker 5: there's a second article that just talks about these ghostly
Speaker 5: lights they see in the town. So that's that's in
Speaker 5: the first chapter. And then at the end of the
Speaker 5: book there's a whole chapter on lights as well.
Speaker 3: Okay I did, I didn't get all the way to
Speaker 3: the end, so I didn't get the whole chapter on lights. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right. They were saying, you just what was the
Speaker 3: thing you said right before the chapter.
Speaker 5: On lights about the town in arts Ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the yeah, well there was something about was
Speaker 3: it a whole town full lights?
Speaker 5: Well they said they would see lights around this town,
Speaker 5: the same town that they're talking about, but they have
Speaker 5: all this fairy lore see these lights, you know, it's
Speaker 5: just the article says, have you ever heard of the
Speaker 5: moving lights of the Lachawana Valley. They present an interesting
Speaker 5: phase of a phenomenon which has exerted a strange influence
Speaker 5: over the minds of many persons in the mining hamlets
Speaker 5: of northeast eastern Pennsylvania, and particularly in and about the
Speaker 5: village of Archbald, which stands a little to the north
Speaker 5: and midway between Scranton and Carbondale. The mention of lights
Speaker 5: to any resident of Archbald is sufficient to convey the
Speaker 5: significant meaning which usually attaches in that neighborhood to the
Speaker 5: mysterious midnight glimmerings that are frequently seen hovering over the
Speaker 5: shallow river that runs through the town, drifting along the
Speaker 5: mountain side, or floating over the top of houses.
Speaker 3: And again that goes into that like earth light type
Speaker 3: of thing. Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and tons of mines around there too, So you
Speaker 5: get into the digging into the ground thing that I
Speaker 5: always talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that because that's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I probably that should probably be the
Speaker 5: next book I write, but it's not. I got another
Speaker 5: one in between there that I'm doing. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: I call it buried treasure theory just as a shorthand,
Speaker 5: and it to kind of go back to all the
Speaker 5: stories of ghosts guarding buried treasures and so forth. I
Speaker 5: started asking, So one of the questions I ask if
Speaker 5: people call me out like they got a big foot
Speaker 5: sighting or something, and one of the questions I ask
Speaker 5: is where's what's buried around what's underground? And I will
Speaker 5: often get, oh, there's a story of like lost treasure
Speaker 5: or or a lost silver mine, somewhere around here, or
Speaker 5: there's a you know, a quarry right down the road.
Speaker 5: You know, there's there's very often there's something, you know,
Speaker 5: and even like I've even come to the point where
Speaker 5: I wonder if i mean, what are cemeteries but a
Speaker 5: bunch of holes? People, don't, you know? And and so
Speaker 5: much of the stuff is like disturbing the ground all
Speaker 5: the A lot of these stories take place around mines,
Speaker 5: you know, so many of the Bigfoot stories they say they,
Speaker 5: oh they ran into an old caver, into an old mine.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's over and over again. I
Speaker 5: feel like there's something about disturbing the ground. If you
Speaker 5: talk about Skinwalker Ranch, when they took over the first
Speaker 5: family took it over, they were worn, don't dig. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: you know it's something about disturbing the earth. I think
Speaker 5: that that may have, you know, something to do with
Speaker 5: what it is. I have to work that out or
Speaker 5: probably never will.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well that's the thing. What it is is
Speaker 3: what interests me, like, yeah, why would that matter? Like
Speaker 3: it would matter if something was living there and you
Speaker 3: were intruding on a tone. But that doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: be the.
Speaker 5: Case, right right. The stories of these these women in
Speaker 5: black things that are popping up all around scrant which
Speaker 5: is a whole chapter in the book around coal country
Speaker 5: up there. Some of these stories. You know, you could
Speaker 5: replace women in Black spirit with Bigfoot and it would
Speaker 5: you could pop it in my Pennsylvania big Foot books.
Speaker 5: Literally people are chasing after this thing. They run it
Speaker 5: into a mine and they go in with lanterns and
Speaker 5: there's nothing in there, right right, you know? Does that?
Speaker 5: I mean literally just replace it with Bigfoot. It's a
Speaker 5: one to one kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And initially when I started reading that chapter, I was
Speaker 3: thinking of like, are these kind of grim reaper type
Speaker 3: of things? But they're they're very distinctly feminine.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, So these started in the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 5: They actually start the earliest I can find. It actually
Speaker 5: starts in New York. There's a woman in black scene
Speaker 5: two times in York, and then it seems like it
Speaker 5: really pops up around the coal region and they're described variously.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're described as kind of like just hooded, cloaked
Speaker 5: women in black, and sometimes they're described as like sort
Speaker 5: of wearing Victorian morning stuff like so bales and you know,
Speaker 5: fancier kind of black dresses, and some of the articles
Speaker 5: were definitely like so it's kind of like spring Hill Jack, right,
Speaker 5: So you have this phenomenon and then you people start
Speaker 5: using the phenomenon to rob people, you know, they dress
Speaker 5: up a spring Hill Jack to do you know, blessed
Speaker 5: women or do whatever nefarious deeds they're doing. The same
Speaker 5: thing happened with this. So these women in black sightings
Speaker 5: start happening, and then men start putting black dresses on
Speaker 5: and you know, mugging people and doing all the right
Speaker 5: I didn't include those articles. The articles I included are
Speaker 5: talk about things like the cave or they saw this
Speaker 5: woman in black walk over the surface of a pond
Speaker 5: and then descend into the pond, like like literally walk
Speaker 5: on water and then sink down into the pond. You know,
Speaker 5: things that definitely couldn't be people. So I think there
Speaker 5: was something happening just like spring Hill Jack. It was
Speaker 5: very much like spring Hill Jack. Sometimes they chase these
Speaker 5: women in black on horseback and not be able to
Speaker 5: catch them, you know, like their own foot, or they'd
Speaker 5: run after them and the woman would be walking and
Speaker 5: no matter how fast they run it, you'd always stay ahead.
Speaker 5: This woman in black always ahead, So it's very much
Speaker 5: like the spring Hill Jack stuff in that form. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it so it seems like and it would pop up
Speaker 5: all over like this gets too much to be one
Speaker 5: person playing a hoax. Right, all these towns are northeastern
Speaker 5: Pennsylvania there, so what is it? You know, well, there's
Speaker 5: mining going on there. First of all, it's it's post
Speaker 5: Civil war. There's a lot of dead you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of people didn't come back from the war, so
Speaker 5: there's going to be a lot of women in mourning anyway.
Speaker 5: And then mining is a very dangerous thing. So is
Speaker 5: this sort of like a version of the Banshee, like
Speaker 5: some people took it that way. This thing, this thing
Speaker 5: appears and someone's going to die or it's an import
Speaker 5: and of doom, you know, I don't know, but it's
Speaker 5: very interesting that it appears in black. So the Banshi
Speaker 5: traditionally mostly you were usually were white, so you know,
Speaker 5: the bans She didn't usually appear in black. So this
Speaker 5: spirit is you know, kind of different in that way.
Speaker 5: But it's interesting the time period it appears, right, So
Speaker 5: it's in this morning guard right when when women are
Speaker 5: wearing morning guarb, Like it's this it's this thing and
Speaker 5: it's so you know, is it a reflection of just
Speaker 5: how dangerous those minds were and how many people were dying,
Speaker 5: both in the war and in the mind You know.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it feels like there's something there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't want to I did want to
Speaker 3: bring up bansheese. Banshees are one of those things. I
Speaker 3: almost wonder if it's retrocausal. Yeah, you know, like a
Speaker 3: tragedy is going to happen, that information gets sent backwards
Speaker 3: in time, the person manifests it based on their cultural
Speaker 3: belief and presents a banshee or a whaling and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh no, someone's gonna die. It's a bad omen But
Speaker 3: in reality it's it's it's already happened in the in
Speaker 3: the future, and this is trying to tell you about it,
Speaker 3: but it can't communicate one to one mm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it kind of feels that way
Speaker 5: for sure. And it they tend to haunt specific families, Yeah,
Speaker 5: like that. Some families will have banshees that kind of
Speaker 5: stay with them and whenever they see them, yeah.
Speaker 3: They're there, And that would that would make sense for
Speaker 3: two reasons. That one. Uh, you know, any kind of
Speaker 3: psychic ability or something that might be able to create
Speaker 3: something like that would likely run in families. And then
Speaker 3: you have the place card as well, that also is
Speaker 3: in the family's tradition.
Speaker 5: M right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: How much does suggestion and collective unconscious and all that
Speaker 5: play into this? Yeah, yeah, I have a you want
Speaker 5: me to read one of the banshi yeaheah. So this
Speaker 5: is from Luzerne County in nineteen oh five, which is
Speaker 5: near wilkes Bury, so still up in that cold region.
Speaker 5: Say they heard cry of banshee. Georgetown people therefore very
Speaker 5: badly worried, superstitious fear of the sound. Old legends say
Speaker 5: Banshee's whale is the precursor of death in the family.
Speaker 5: Greatly excited at the residents of Georgetown, and it is
Speaker 5: impossible to get the women and little boys and girls
Speaker 5: out of the house after dark. For the allegation has
Speaker 5: been made, and it has been given credence in certain circles,
Speaker 5: that there is a banshee in the neighborhood who chance
Speaker 5: of mournful ditty under the windows of the houses. This
Speaker 5: has taken as sure means of some favorite member of
Speaker 5: the family passing to his or her reward, and the
Speaker 5: crying banshee, it is claimed, has been distinctly heard in
Speaker 5: certain parts of the town and as a result people
Speaker 5: are more or less frightened. This is the first time
Speaker 5: that one of these fairy creatures has ever been heard
Speaker 5: in this country. Not exactly true, but old newspapers, though
Speaker 5: the peasantry of Ireland and Scotland declare with great positiveness
Speaker 5: that such a being exists in their respective countries. So again,
Speaker 5: up in the northern part there are a lot of
Speaker 5: Irish miners up there, you know, did they bring this
Speaker 5: with them?
Speaker 3: Right right? Yeah, that's and there's poultergeist stuff there too
Speaker 3: with the I mean, that's that's why I think the
Speaker 3: retro causal thing might be the case sometimes, because they're
Speaker 3: basically poultergeist right. I suppose you know, they're they're shrieking,
Speaker 3: they're making vocalization, so on and so forth. It's poultrgeist activity.
Speaker 3: So if you're if you're getting this unconscious sigh activity,
Speaker 3: it's going to create a poltergeist. And that's being caused
Speaker 3: by something that's coming that was traumatic enough that it
Speaker 3: sent that information back in time.
Speaker 5: Sure, and I think most it's much rare that the
Speaker 5: Evanshi has seen. In most cases, it's only her, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that that would kind of check that box, I
Speaker 5: think even more.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to think about that way, but
Speaker 3: it's like because I mean, we think of everything going sequentially,
Speaker 3: but apparently side doesn't always work that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've said it. I don't
Speaker 5: know how many times. I wonder if we don't order
Speaker 5: time linearly so we don't feel insane in a sense, Well, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd like it would be like reading a book out
Speaker 3: of order.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not gonna make any sense at all. We'll
Speaker 3: just be like, what's happening now?
Speaker 5: Right? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So there was a comment in here, and I
Speaker 3: forget which chapter it came from about dreams in the
Speaker 3: paranormal I think it was. Was it the Banshee chapter
Speaker 3: you mentioned it?
Speaker 5: Oh, I think so? Yeah, Yeah, it was in my
Speaker 5: commentary on one of the Banshee articles.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was that you didn't dismiss dreams
Speaker 3: as not being paranormal.
Speaker 5: Right because a person had dreamed about a BANDI or
Speaker 5: something like that, and uh yeah, my commentary was was, yeah,
Speaker 5: pretty much yeah, I'm not dismissing that. I think I
Speaker 5: would have probably some years ago, but now now it's uh,
Speaker 5: it counts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's that was another
Speaker 3: thing that Josh did turn around on is at one
Speaker 3: point he said he didn't think there was anything to
Speaker 3: dreams and he didn't care about people's dreams, and now
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I was wrong.
Speaker 5: M yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I've said this before,
Speaker 5: I know, but I think of the two of us,
Speaker 5: me and Josh, if you would have asked me which
Speaker 5: one of us was going to write a paranormal book
Speaker 5: about death, I would have said, well, that'll be me,
Speaker 5: and which one is good, Like if I do sort
Speaker 5: of my paranormal theory of everything, like like his books
Speaker 5: on death, it's probably going to be about dreams. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would have thought the opposite would have been I'd
Speaker 5: write the book on death and Josh would write the
Speaker 5: book on dreams. But over time, I've gotten more and
Speaker 5: more interested in the way dreams sort of manifest with
Speaker 5: this stuff, and particularly all the stories I get from
Speaker 5: witnesses who were like, yeah, I woke up and I
Speaker 5: saw this horrifying thing in my room, and I just
Speaker 5: want to write back to sleep. Yes, yeah, there's something
Speaker 5: to that. You shouldn't have gone right back. And it
Speaker 5: happened to me too, my little thing with the grace.
Speaker 5: I couldn't stay awake. I was trying to stay awake,
Speaker 5: kept going down. So yeah, like there's something to it,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I want to kind of plumb those depths
Speaker 5: if I can.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, dreams are more than one thing,
Speaker 3: and I think our society is kind of just limited
Speaker 3: it down where it's like, oh, dreams are just nonsense, right,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, sometimes dreams are just nonsense. I mean you
Speaker 3: have oh what's his name, he's the guy who talks
Speaker 3: about the wrote time loops, Eric Wargo, who literally said to me,
Speaker 3: I think every dream is just a dream of the future.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't think so, Like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean some are very obviously processing things, you know,
Speaker 5: processing our day. Yeah you know, yeah, some are very
Speaker 5: obviously that So yeah, they're like the big dream little
Speaker 5: dream thing is is very true, I think.
Speaker 3: You know, and there's some subconscious dumps where it's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that was that was a stress dream, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, or it's stuff or it's something communicating with you,
Speaker 3: or you're out of body or you know, like who knows,
Speaker 3: because we can't even like it's hard to even catalog
Speaker 3: all this stuff, right, just like sleep paralysis, what sleep
Speaker 3: pross is is it? Is it what scientists say, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just your waking mind or your your mind wakes
Speaker 3: up but is still dreaming and your body has it
Speaker 3: woken up yet? Yeah? Maybe, But also there's cases of
Speaker 3: sleep prousses that are really strange.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I I think sleep proalysis
Speaker 5: is a flare for that goes off for the other
Speaker 5: and they say, oh there's there's that I can I
Speaker 5: can mess with that person, or I can interact with
Speaker 5: that person, or you know, they're in that state. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I think there's a physical reason for sleep proalysis. But
Speaker 5: I think also sometimes these things take notice and like, okay,
Speaker 5: I can I can have interchange with this person?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, And maybe because we're paralyzed, it comes across
Speaker 3: as scary. M h, Well that's saying we'll get to
Speaker 3: in a minute. Let's let's talk about leprechauns.
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, I that was So I'm doing a book
Speaker 5: on fairies and I have to look for all the stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I gotta look were the leprechauns. I got to look
Speaker 5: for the goblins, and I turned up leprecaun reports. I
Speaker 5: had had one from York County. Here in Delta, there's
Speaker 5: a place called Maconkie Mansion, which they tore down, interestingly
Speaker 5: enough to build the Peach Bottom Nuclear power Plant. So
Speaker 5: there's a nuclear power plant sort of on on the
Speaker 5: old grounds of the Mconkie Mansion are very near. But
Speaker 5: it was a haunted mansion, and they described it as
Speaker 5: just this weird place where horses would stop on the property.
Speaker 5: It would only go so far. It was a fairy
Speaker 5: ring on the property, they said. They literally called it
Speaker 5: a fairy ring. I wasn't a mushroom ring. This was
Speaker 5: a I think it was a circle of grass that
Speaker 5: was greener than the other grass there. They said that
Speaker 5: weird lights would come out of the house, float down
Speaker 5: the wall and drift out over the Susquehanna River. And
Speaker 5: they said there's a leprecun there. But that's of all
Speaker 5: the details in the article. They just said, oh yeah,
Speaker 5: and there's a leperdon no more information. So I knew
Speaker 5: I had one leper Kahn. I was familiar with that
Speaker 5: story with local and I did a little bit more digging,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I found several people talking about Leprigun and they're
Speaker 5: describing it as you know, were little suits, little guys
Speaker 5: with like, you know, red hair, describing what we would
Speaker 5: call Eprica.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, I mean, because
Speaker 3: the cultural thing comes from the original you know, fairy tales.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a great story from It's from the
Speaker 5: nineteen twenties. It was a girl living in Pittsburgh and
Speaker 5: she was cleaning her room and just this little man
Speaker 5: in a green suit appears on the opposite side of
Speaker 5: her room and she had moved her bed for cleaning.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, he moved it back to the original position,
Speaker 5: and the leprechaun pushes it back to the new position,
Speaker 5: and she moved it again. And they repeat this several
Speaker 5: times to the point where she gives up and just
Speaker 5: leaves the bed in a new position. And she tells
Speaker 5: her family about it, I think, and they're, you know,
Speaker 5: they're like, okay, you saw a little man. They didn't
Speaker 5: think anything of it. But her father sees a rearranged
Speaker 5: room and he says, why why'd you move the bed.
Speaker 5: She tells him the story, and her father dismisses it
Speaker 5: as nonsense, but he allows her to keep the bed
Speaker 5: in his new position. That night, the ceiling collapses and
Speaker 5: it lands where her bed originally was. So it's just,
Speaker 5: you know, it's really neat story. Yeah, you know, this
Speaker 5: this sort of thing popping up and helping.
Speaker 3: I had taken a clip of a one of these
Speaker 3: things in here. Now I can't find where it was
Speaker 3: from the the but the part I clipped out of
Speaker 3: it said the little imp suddenly vanished in a cloud
Speaker 3: of smoke. A piece of paper was afterward picked up
Speaker 3: at the very spot of the strange occurrence, which, upon
Speaker 3: an examination, was found to be printed in a foreign
Speaker 3: and unmeaning characters. Yes, the scrap admitted a strong sulfurous smell.
Speaker 5: That was in York. That's okay what they call the
Speaker 5: Clark Allley Imp.
Speaker 3: Is there more?
Speaker 5: There's more to that, though, right or not that I
Speaker 5: could find? I mean, okay, So people were seeing things
Speaker 5: in Clark Gallley. They said it was haunted, but they
Speaker 5: didn't really describe what else. He said. People were out
Speaker 5: looking for ghosts, but this this Clark Allley imp, as
Speaker 5: they called it appears, you know, and so that's it
Speaker 5: disappears at least's paper. I'm I mean, that's so local.
Speaker 5: I'm like, where is this paper? I want to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I know it's in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: But and of course it's probably doesn't exist. And then
Speaker 3: the other thing is it's sounds like an apport, sure,
Speaker 3: which means it may not have stuck around very long too,
Speaker 3: especially with the strong sulfurous smell, which might mean it's
Speaker 3: immediately decaying. So when I had Steve mihra On, he
Speaker 3: had some really interesting things to say about their research
Speaker 3: on apports, and he thinks that they, well, he calls
Speaker 3: them quantum anchors. I immediately rebel against the term quantum
Speaker 3: being used on everything, right, But what he thinks, like
Speaker 3: from his experiments, he's found that when they have apported things,
Speaker 3: they are not the same things that have disappeared. If
Speaker 3: something has disappeared and come back, they seem to be duplicates.
Speaker 3: They look exactly the same, but molecularly they're put together different.
Speaker 3: He's been able to study that in the lab. He said,
Speaker 3: if they take the apport and move it to it
Speaker 3: they have another location, they'll put it in the activity
Speaker 3: will follow the apport.
Speaker 5: Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it will go back to where it was,
Speaker 3: like it figures out it's not the right place and
Speaker 3: goes back to the original location. And the weirdest part
Speaker 3: of this, he told, was a woman had a little
Speaker 3: urn for her budgy that passed that she had cremated,
Speaker 3: and it disappeared and then it reappeared, and so she
Speaker 3: put it back on the mantle or whatever. And then
Speaker 3: they were doing construction work and they opened one of
Speaker 3: the walls and there was the urn.
Speaker 5: Its so crazy.
Speaker 3: He's like, this is not something that would have just act,
Speaker 3: you know, like people will have tons of urns for budgies,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It was a very specific item.
Speaker 3: So he thinks they replaced they they moved the original
Speaker 3: urn into the wall and replaced it with a different
Speaker 3: urn that looked exactly the same to use as an anchor.
Speaker 5: I had someone on my podcast, and I can't remember
Speaker 5: the whole story, but they had lost a charging cable
Speaker 5: for I think for an iPhone. But they said it
Speaker 5: was a very specific kind of charging cable. Wasn't a
Speaker 5: common one. You It wasn't when you could just pick
Speaker 5: up anywhere and it just disappeared, and they were sure
Speaker 5: it was in their car or something. Wherever it was.
Speaker 5: They were sure of it, and all of a sudden
Speaker 5: it appears somewhere completely odd right somewhere.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Again I get the details, but they have this like
Speaker 5: like oh okay, like how this get here? But then
Speaker 5: later another one just like it appears. So one of
Speaker 5: them is the original and one of them is the
Speaker 5: aport maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, huh so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: There's some ideas that some of the it's come up
Speaker 5: in some of the stuff with like Catholic relics and
Speaker 5: stuff that they're kind of like exact copies like some
Speaker 5: of these things that apport and come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know, I forget what his name was
Speaker 3: that I had on talking about how that it would
Speaker 3: consciously be able to apport stuff. They would create apports,
Speaker 3: but they just start disintegrating as soon as they appeared. Wow,
Speaker 3: so they wouldn't be around very long. Which again, I
Speaker 3: mean that sulfur smell, as Josh said in his book,
Speaker 3: is decay. It's not necessarily evil, it's just the smell
Speaker 3: of something decaying. Right, So that piece of paper may
Speaker 3: have just turned to nothing.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's you know, one of the thoughts about Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: you know, why they're not physical all the time or
Speaker 5: very long. Yeah, yeah, they have. They have that smell
Speaker 5: that follows them around. Are they came from the minute
Speaker 5: they manifest and they're just not here very long and
Speaker 5: then they're gone.
Speaker 3: You know. You know, certain certain areas, flap areas may
Speaker 3: have a certain energy to them that they can this
Speaker 3: thing can feed off of and temporarily manifest and then
Speaker 3: things change. And because it could be something coming from
Speaker 3: the sun, it could be something from coming way out
Speaker 3: in space. Yeah, you know that we're not even something
Speaker 3: we can't even measure because we don't know it's there yet.
Speaker 3: And it's hitting certain areas of the Earth and activating
Speaker 3: something that's giving this stuff energy to work with.
Speaker 5: Fascinating, which is also really you know like earthlkes. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and again that's I'm not a skinwalker ranch expert, but
Speaker 5: you know, I know some of the stories. But one
Speaker 5: of the stories is that wolf thing that appeared and
Speaker 5: they shot it and they said that they blew a
Speaker 5: piece of flesh off of it and it immediately started
Speaker 5: riding away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that is that is in the book.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the problem with Skinwalker Ranches has now become
Speaker 3: so commercialized and stuff has come out that they were
Speaker 3: experimenting on some of the researchers and stuff, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of like great, so this is also ruined, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like we don't know which stories are the ones
Speaker 3: that are actually valuable. It's still fascinating. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a great book, but yeah, there's that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was going somewhere and I forgot where it was. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's uh so one of the other things you note
Speaker 3: is that furnaces tend to have a lot of haunted
Speaker 3: activity around them. Oh yeah, Now, you mentioned. Of course
Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of iron in the
Speaker 3: ground that has just fallen from you know, the furnaces
Speaker 3: as they're smelting it and stuff like that. But what
Speaker 3: isn't iron? What this stuff doesn't.
Speaker 5: Like supposedly cold iron. So cold iron is manipulated. So
Speaker 5: once it's forged into something, right, so it's not just
Speaker 5: like raw iron, but cold iron. Right, So when it's
Speaker 5: forged into scissors or a knife or you know, a
Speaker 5: pan or something like that, that would be cold iron.
Speaker 5: Iron ore is everywhere in the ground. So if these
Speaker 5: things live in the grounds they're supposed to do, or
Speaker 5: at least come from the ground, that would be pretty
Speaker 5: problematic for them. So it's it's cold iron. So is
Speaker 5: this bit of iron that has been sort of melted,
Speaker 5: you know, and the slag and stuff remains, Does that
Speaker 5: count as cold iron? I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it has to be forged or something. But or
Speaker 5: is it the I think I speculated my first book.
Speaker 5: Is it the idea that like it's a place where
Speaker 5: a bunch of iron was made, like so much iron
Speaker 5: was made and they're just not making it there anymore.
Speaker 5: So are least things sort of drawn to the absence
Speaker 5: of what was there before.
Speaker 3: That's okay, why would cold iron, Well, I don't know
Speaker 3: why it would make a difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I think you know, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of mythology around blacksmiths. You know, they were kind
Speaker 5: of seen as sort of magicians and such. So is
Speaker 5: it a matter of like it's been worked by the
Speaker 5: hands of the blacksmith and that that gets it some
Speaker 5: kind of power. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean you also point out there there's some really
Speaker 3: terrifying stories about the working conditions and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh they're horrible, absolutely horrible. I mean, they kept those
Speaker 5: furnaces burning day and night, so you know, this would
Speaker 5: have been a job that where they had workers there
Speaker 5: day and night. There was a law in Pennsylvania that
Speaker 5: you couldn't have alcohol within I think it was two
Speaker 5: miles of one of these iron furnaces. That's how dangerous
Speaker 5: they were. They didn't want people selling alcohol anywhere near them.
Speaker 5: And that's why, you know, every story I hear about
Speaker 5: a furnace is like the furnace master with like, you know,
Speaker 5: they're basically bastards, you know, it's just real, mean dudes.
Speaker 5: But I wondered, like, do they have to be hard
Speaker 5: men to keep people in line? You know, it's like
Speaker 5: it's very dangerous work, very very dangerous work. Do they
Speaker 5: have to be like real hard with people or you know,
Speaker 5: people were going to die? You know, they were horrible places,
Speaker 5: like for miles around just all the vegetation died just
Speaker 5: because they were constantly spewing out smoke and stuff. So
Speaker 5: it would have looked like Cador's furnace. I think I
Speaker 5: have taken you there. Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't have looked
Speaker 5: anything like that when it was operating. You know, every
Speaker 5: all the trees around there, everything would have been dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty awful. Yeah, and of course that
Speaker 3: could also be you know, why is there activity here
Speaker 3: because there is a memory of those those strong emotions.
Speaker 5: Sure, and there again, usually they put furnaces places where
Speaker 5: iron was. You know, they didn't have to take iron
Speaker 5: too far, so people were digging in the ground again,
Speaker 5: they're digging in the ground for iron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're digging in the ground. Thing. I really want
Speaker 3: to explore more because I it's one of those things
Speaker 3: where I'm like I don't even know, like why would
Speaker 3: that matter.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Again, it's maybe the other hand I can put
Speaker 5: together at this point is like disturbing the earth at
Speaker 5: some point. Maybe there's earth energy that's wrapped up in
Speaker 5: all this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Keel would talk. I'm sure other people have too,
Speaker 3: about like hearing a machinery underground.
Speaker 5: Right, sure, there's a great So. I turned up an
Speaker 5: article in my West Coast Wildman book that everyone loved
Speaker 5: because it was sort of the Bigfoot captures the kid
Speaker 5: and takes him to fairyland.
Speaker 3: Right right, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I turned up I think this article it's a little
Speaker 5: bit long, but I'll start it at the point where
Speaker 5: the action is. I think this article is every bit
Speaker 5: as important as that one. This is from eighteen seventy three,
Speaker 5: as from takes place in Burke's County, Pennsylvania. So let
Speaker 5: me see here, find the right place to start here. Okay.
Speaker 5: It seemed an important matter to mister Miller, who emptied
Speaker 5: his mouth of a large quatomesticated tobacco. He said, last Tuesday,
Speaker 5: missus Daniel White, her daughter Susan White, and Mary Hart's
Speaker 5: three in number went down to the Huckleberry Striple Miller's
Speaker 5: farm for the purpose of gathering berries. They were there
Speaker 5: but a short time when they were startled by stones
Speaker 5: and clubs being thrown in the bushes. It was no
Speaker 5: person to be seen. After the first throwing, everything was quiet.
Speaker 5: The women folks then heard strange screeching and unearthly noises
Speaker 5: resemble the hum of a steam engine. They were frightened
Speaker 5: almost to death, and stood riveted on the spot, white
Speaker 5: with fear and trembling. Then of a sudden the air
Speaker 5: scene filled with light and transparent shadows that flitted about
Speaker 5: under the trees and above the heads of the frightened females.
Speaker 5: Then came slaps, quick and sharp, and the young ladies
Speaker 5: frequently received smacks on the sides of their faces, while
Speaker 5: missus White received a hard blow in the back with
Speaker 5: a large piece of park The folks could not run,
Speaker 5: but they were obliged to stand still and take it.
Speaker 5: They were with the spirits for nearly an hour before
Speaker 5: they could get out of the woods and hurry on
Speaker 5: towards home. They came back terribly alarmed and frightened. Miss
Speaker 5: White was considerably bruised about the sides, she having been
Speaker 5: struck several times. I inquired whether the woman had so
Speaker 5: stated the case yes, yes, answered several men in the barroom.
Speaker 5: This comes directly from missus White would not tell a
Speaker 5: lie for the world. A friend of miss Hart said,
Speaker 5: I know Missharts very well. She's a very sensible young lady.
Speaker 5: She returned from the burying party very much frightened. She
Speaker 5: did not receive any injuries, but she saw spirits running
Speaker 5: about through the bushes, screaming and making other unearthly noises.
Speaker 5: What did she say the spirit resembled, I inquired, the
Speaker 5: young man continued. She says, to the object she saw
Speaker 5: had human faces, white flowing gowns, and more long hair.
Speaker 5: They were comparatively small and very indistinct, so much so
Speaker 5: that she could not make out who they resembled. Certain
Speaker 5: she was, however, that they were spirits of human people.
Speaker 5: One kissed her on her left hand, which still bears
Speaker 5: the mark. It is red and has a dark streak
Speaker 5: on the outside of it. So that has so much
Speaker 5: in that little section. And they go back again. The
Speaker 5: men go back, they have more happens, They get stuff
Speaker 5: thrown at him again, and then the reporter goes back
Speaker 5: and I don't think is as intense for him, but
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, this is a very strange area. You know,
Speaker 5: he comes to this conclusion a very long article. But
Speaker 5: just in that article, you have stones being thrown, you
Speaker 5: have the you have the steam engine sound or the
Speaker 5: humming right that we were talking about. They're locked in
Speaker 5: place so that it is kind of like a fairy
Speaker 5: ring right there. They're getting they see these spirits. And
Speaker 5: when she gets kissed on a hand and it leaves
Speaker 5: a mark, I mean that's like, what does that sound like?
Speaker 5: You know it could be an implant?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I thought about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole thing isn't like that's
Speaker 5: such a deep article. And again this is eighteen When
Speaker 5: I say eighteen seventy three, Like with the Bigfoot things,
Speaker 5: these people wring these articles like we can look like. Look,
Speaker 5: I always say I could write the perfect Bigfoot encounter report.
Speaker 5: I know what to include, I know all the details
Speaker 5: to include, because I've been exposed to so much. I've
Speaker 5: heard so many encounter stories from people on my podcast
Speaker 5: on sasquss Chronicles, you know, talking to people in real life.
Speaker 5: I could write a convincing Bigfoot encounter, just make it up.
Speaker 5: Back in eighteen seventy three, these guys didn't have access
Speaker 5: to what we have, right, right, They wouldn't know to
Speaker 5: put all these details in this account, the detail of
Speaker 5: the humming, the details you know, of things being thrown
Speaker 5: of the berry picking. That's a big thing, you know,
Speaker 5: all of these details in this one article. I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 5: this is like something's here, Like this guy did not
Speaker 5: whoever wrote this, they didn't have access to all this
Speaker 5: information that we have. He put it all in there,
Speaker 5: you know, it's all there.
Speaker 3: So, but there's there's like three parts to that, right,
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, do you want to read the other?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I can. I can because there's.
Speaker 3: A lot there. It's really interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So the landlord of this laid away his pipe
Speaker 5: and with much consciousness of importance, nodded his head and remarked,
Speaker 5: it's the queerest case I ever heard of. And I
Speaker 5: know these people too well to think that they would
Speaker 5: try to humbug anybody. Missus White is an honest and
Speaker 5: respectable woman, and her eyes are open, and when she
Speaker 5: tells of such a thing, you can rely on it.
Speaker 5: Missus White's husband owns the haunted Huckleberry Patch. He was
Speaker 5: a witness to the throwing of missiles. He is positively
Speaker 5: certain that no human hands did the throwing. The Constable
Speaker 5: at last said, it's a good thing that you city
Speaker 5: people are never bothered with these strange affairs. I asked
Speaker 5: him whether an investigation of the matter had been made,
Speaker 5: and he replied that there had. This was his story,
Speaker 5: the Constable's story. The following day, after the women had
Speaker 5: been so terribly frightened by the visitation, fourteen people were
Speaker 5: appointed to make an investigation. They were J. M. White,
Speaker 5: Elias Sable, Samuel Ziegler, Samuel Schweitzer, John Marx, Henry Greeves,
Speaker 5: Daniel Waite, Abraham Miller, James Shaeffer, Priscilla Markx, Catherine Good,
Speaker 5: Missus Daniel Waite, Susan White, and Mary Hart's. The women
Speaker 5: folks were not afraid when the men went with them. I,
Speaker 5: as Constable of the township, led the party. We marched
Speaker 5: in a body down to the patch and stopped just
Speaker 5: before going in to examine the points around the haunted place.
Speaker 5: The spot is a very lonely one, and very few
Speaker 5: people go there and lets it's together berries. When we
Speaker 5: got ready, we took hold of hands and formed a
Speaker 5: circle around the spot where the women saw the spirits.
Speaker 5: Four of the women were then in the circle. Before
Speaker 5: I knew what it was about, I was struck about
Speaker 5: the face on the cheeks, and my hat was knocked off.
Speaker 5: The missiles came from a heavy clump of bushes, and
Speaker 5: we could see them plainly shoot up and over towards
Speaker 5: where we were standing. Four of us men made a
Speaker 5: dashed through the bushes, but when we arrived it was
Speaker 5: nothing to be found. As soon as we got to
Speaker 5: the place where the stuff was first thrown from stones
Speaker 5: and sticks came from another direction, and to save our lives,
Speaker 5: we could not see who it was that was doing it.
Speaker 5: By this time, the females became terribly alarmed, and when
Speaker 5: a singular humming noise was heard, there it is again,
Speaker 5: and a strange smell pervaded the atmosphere. There's the smell.
Speaker 5: They almost fainted away, their hearts beating and thumping fearfully.
Speaker 5: My wife was in my arms, which explains my last remark.
Speaker 5: We could discover no traces of the invisible hands that
Speaker 5: threw the stones, but saw them come where they came from.
Speaker 5: But that was all. The constable's story was corroborated by
Speaker 5: the remainder of those present, But the hour hand had
Speaker 5: swung around, and the old clock in the corner had
Speaker 5: struck eleven. The rain was comparatively over, and the men
Speaker 5: pulled down their slop chats, buttoned up their coats, and
Speaker 5: sallied out into the darkness for home. I turned to
Speaker 5: the landlord and inquired whether he really believed these men,
Speaker 5: young man. He replied, they are the earnest in every
Speaker 5: word they say. Depend upon it what the women say.
Speaker 5: The next morning I talked with missus Daniel White on
Speaker 5: the subject. She corroborated all that I heard, and stated
Speaker 5: that her back was yet painful from the effects of
Speaker 5: a blow she had received. Miss Hearts, upon whom I called,
Speaker 5: was positive that she had seen spirits. Why, she continued,
Speaker 5: there were so many of them that I really imagined
Speaker 5: that the very air was full of them. But she
Speaker 5: was excused from further conversation, as she stated it was
Speaker 5: extremely distasteful to her. She seemed to tremble as she
Speaker 5: described the appearance of one of the alleged spirits. Miss Hearts,
Speaker 5: by the way, is a very preposive, prepossessing young lady,
Speaker 5: and I ventured to remark that it was no wonder
Speaker 5: the spirits were attracted to her This did not even
Speaker 5: cause her to smile. I then visited the haunted Huckleberry Ground.
Speaker 5: It is situated on the right of the road on
Speaker 5: a gen declivity. There are some undergrowth, large trees, and
Speaker 5: thick clumps of bushes. When I arrived at Jolly old
Speaker 5: Crow flapped his black pinions and cawed as he flew
Speaker 5: over the mist toward the hills beyond, taking down the bars.
Speaker 5: I jogged along through some bottom land and entered the
Speaker 5: supposed spirit and ferry circle. All about lay sticks and stones,
Speaker 5: and the berry bushes were tramped down in many places.
Speaker 5: Upon a twig on a calico shred that had been
Speaker 5: torn from the apron of one of the frightened females,
Speaker 5: while nearby lea garter that had been dropped in their
Speaker 5: hurrying flight. The rain soon came down, and I was
Speaker 5: obliged to turn back toward the hotel. When I reported
Speaker 5: my visit to the landlord, he remarked, can't help it.
Speaker 5: Those people are sensible people and know and know what
Speaker 5: they talk about. All they were there also and saw
Speaker 5: just exactly what they were told they did. I believe
Speaker 5: they saw spirits, and I would go not go near
Speaker 5: that place at midnight for the best horse in the country.
Speaker 5: So that's that's yeah, that's the rest of the article.
Speaker 5: So it's a keeper, I mean that is a It
Speaker 5: was gold when I found that one.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, absolutely. And again if people don't understand the
Speaker 3: wilderness poltergeist thing, you and you put it in a
Speaker 3: house and the immediate response is going to be this
Speaker 3: is ghosts, right, then it's fairies.
Speaker 5: Now it would be Bigfoot exactly exactly. I'm going to
Speaker 5: find an old map and I'm going to try to
Speaker 5: find where this place is, and if it's still wooded,
Speaker 5: I am absolutely going to try to visit it.
Speaker 3: Oh that would be cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to try to locate
Speaker 5: where it is because it gives some details there that
Speaker 5: I should be able to find it, if you know,
Speaker 5: if I can, if I can find an old map
Speaker 5: where a lot of the old maps have people's names
Speaker 5: on them, so it says the owner of the property there,
Speaker 5: So I should be able to find it in an
Speaker 5: old map hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 3: Okay, when you're researching these, are you getting them from
Speaker 3: libraries or are you doing it mostly online?
Speaker 5: So nowadays, when I was doing the big Foot books,
Speaker 5: it was a good mix of everything, and even a
Speaker 5: little bit of the Hermit Book. I would be writing
Speaker 5: away to historical societies. I'd be like going all over
Speaker 5: the place to try to get different articles and stuff.
Speaker 5: But now there are so many good newspaper archives online
Speaker 5: that is mostly online research. A lot of this book
Speaker 5: was would be folk worre books too, So I just
Speaker 5: I had a ton of Pennsylvania folk wort book. I
Speaker 5: have a problem books. My books have books. I need
Speaker 5: to find find a way to cut down on them.
Speaker 5: But every time I go, like, I almost sold my
Speaker 5: King Arthur books, and then I found this story. It's
Speaker 5: in the appendix of King Arthur's grave in Pennsylvania. Now like, oh,
Speaker 5: I would have killed myself for getting rid of all
Speaker 5: my Kingoks. Right now I'm like, oh, I'm super into
Speaker 5: King Arthur now because of that story. So I'm like
Speaker 5: paranoid of getting rid of books. But I have too many.
Speaker 5: But I have so many Pennsylvania folk book Like just
Speaker 5: Alison and I are at auctions and you know, thrift
Speaker 5: shops and all over the place, and there's a folk
Speaker 5: wor Pennsylvania folk coort book and I'm getting it. So
Speaker 5: a lot of the researching here would be pooled from
Speaker 5: these old folk wore books as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, and going back to that imp that vanished the
Speaker 3: fact that it had it's had foreign and unmeaning characters
Speaker 3: on the PieP Yeah, like is that alien script? You know,
Speaker 3: like what people called alien languages and stuff?
Speaker 5: Right? I would love to see it, I mean I wish,
Speaker 5: I wish I could find it.
Speaker 3: Or even a drawing of what it looked like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Well even if you can't find the actual think too bad.
Speaker 3: Someone didn't include with the newspaper article a little sketch
Speaker 3: of the paper.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that article was called the Spooks Again, that's
Speaker 5: something or something else still appears to haunt West Clark Alley,
Speaker 5: and every night parties appear to be on the lookout
Speaker 5: for his ghost ship. Young and old men if they
Speaker 5: happen to return home late at night and are asked,
Speaker 5: where have you been, invariably answer hunting the spook. To
Speaker 5: those who love late hours, this Clark Galley mystery becomes
Speaker 5: very convenient, as they can easily satisfy the credulous innocence
Speaker 5: at home by relating what they have seen or heard
Speaker 5: in the haunted district. But while some use reports to
Speaker 5: excuse their own shortcomings. Not a few are actually earnestly
Speaker 5: watching for the spook. Whether the rolling double beer tap,
Speaker 5: rolling double tap beer barrel and the walking demijohn are
Speaker 5: drawing some to the faded vicinity has not transpired. And
Speaker 5: as the old saying go, that's the conundrum. So that
Speaker 5: part I don't know what necessarily know what they're talking about.
Speaker 5: I think there must have been an earlier article that
Speaker 5: I didn't find that talked about a beer barrel, and
Speaker 5: then this walking demijohn there or something. I'm not sure,
Speaker 5: but the very late developments appear this back to the article.
Speaker 5: The very latest developments appear to have intensified the excitement.
Speaker 5: One report is that a boy was seen passing through
Speaker 5: that portion of the alley peddling newspapers, and when approached
Speaker 5: by the parties, the little imp suddenly vanished in a
Speaker 5: cloud of smoke. A piece of paper was afterward picked
Speaker 5: up at the very spot of the strange occurrence, which
Speaker 5: upon examination, was found to be printed in foreign and
Speaker 5: unmeaning characters. The scrap emitted a strong sulfurous smell. And
Speaker 5: that's the end of the article. So yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Could that have been a euphemism for like drinking, like
Speaker 3: doing something untowards it's.
Speaker 5: Possible, it's possible. The character of these newspaper articles, so
Speaker 5: that came from a York paper. They tended to report
Speaker 5: on weird stuff that paper and just kind of report
Speaker 5: as it was. Every now and then you'll get like,
Speaker 5: I don't wonder what kind of whiskey they're drinking down there,
Speaker 5: and you know, and whatever. You know, we're right, right,
Speaker 5: But for the most part they would just kind of
Speaker 5: report as it is. You kind of get the character
Speaker 5: of different papers as you do this research. Some are
Speaker 5: very dismissive and they'll make fun of everything. There's a
Speaker 5: few of the Women in Black articles are like that.
Speaker 5: They're just trying to make fun of it. They're telling
Speaker 5: what people saw, what they're goosing on it, so you
Speaker 5: can tell they're trying to and I think that was
Speaker 5: their way of expressing skepticism, right, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the ridicule factor has been there forever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So different papers have different characters, and
Speaker 5: that your paper it tended to just kind of report
Speaker 5: what people saw and not have a lot of judge.
Speaker 5: So it's hard to say on that one. It could
Speaker 5: have been. It could have been, but I tend to
Speaker 5: think somebody saw something weird and the paper just reported it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I think they did. But I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if that phrase there that you said, you weren't sure
Speaker 3: what that meant?
Speaker 5: Oh about about the walking Demi John and the Yeah,
Speaker 5: I see what you're saying, gotcha, the rolling double tapp
Speaker 5: bure barrel on the walking Demi John or drawing some
Speaker 5: of the faded Oh yeah, maybe that is. Maybe that
Speaker 5: is saying like people are taking the opportunity to go
Speaker 5: out drinking. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know. I
Speaker 5: didn't know if they were talking about some sort of
Speaker 5: you know, a walking Demi. This is like a paranormal
Speaker 5: thing that took the floor.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually that makes more sense what you're because.
Speaker 3: That's how I took it when I read it. But also, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's worded in a way that's not modern, so it's
Speaker 3: kind of like, yeah, what do they mean? But like
Speaker 3: that was the the vibe I got from it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think your read is probably correct.
Speaker 3: So and then also, weird stuff happened, right, yeah, really
Speaker 3: weird and interesting stuff that I wish we had more
Speaker 3: info on.
Speaker 5: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got to take a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 3: back in a minute or two with mister Timothy Renner.
Speaker 3: So this is a weird mid show break here on
Speaker 3: the show because I still have Saxon and Brennan. Usually
Speaker 3: it's just me, so real quick contact in for the
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Speaker 3: And as for a recommendation, well let's start with Brennan.
Speaker 3: What would you recommend to people.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna recommend two because I cannot be contained. I
Speaker 6: am an irrepressible force of nature. I recommend as a film,
Speaker 6: Sofia The Possession for me, Sofia the Possession, okay, And
Speaker 6: it's directed by Germo Barrera Perez. It came out a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago. I saw it at the Toronto
Speaker 6: Independent Horror Film Festival a couple of days ago. It is.
Speaker 6: It's an okay film, but it asks a question that
Speaker 6: I don't think many possession films ask, which is do
Speaker 6: all ghosts deserve their revenge? I won't spoil it other
Speaker 6: than that, but check out Sofia The Possession. It's it's
Speaker 6: pretty good and for an album we were just I
Speaker 6: was just mentioning this to the guys. Six six' six
Speaker 6: The Revelation of the Apocalypse of Saint John by Aphrodite's
Speaker 6: Child came out in nineteen seventy two and it is
Speaker 6: a longtime favorite of mine. I was searching for an
Speaker 6: LP copy during the break, which is how it came up.
Speaker 6: And if you like weird kind of jazz fusion and stuff,
Speaker 6: check out sixty x' six The Apocalypse saying John, I
Speaker 6: don't think he'll be disappointed.
Speaker 3: All right, Saxon, Do you have a recommendation?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got one and a half. Really so, I
Speaker 7: actually haven't read this yet. The books are in the
Speaker 7: mail to me. They should be here in the next
Speaker 7: couple of days. But it's called natural Born, Circus, Sideshow
Speaker 7: and the Art of Being Human. I actually learned about
Speaker 7: this from ap Strange when it was first solicited and
Speaker 7: heard some podcasts with Aaron Smith, the author. But it
Speaker 7: just does a lot of like from what I can
Speaker 7: tell from him talking about and the thing that made
Speaker 7: me want to order it was there's a lot of
Speaker 7: intimate portraits of people that were working in sideshow communities
Speaker 7: and sort of like almost like disability advocacy or something
Speaker 7: like that, where they're taking the different challenges that they
Speaker 7: have and then turning it into something that's like really
Speaker 7: incredible for themselves and daring. And so if you like
Speaker 7: anything like sideshow stuff, you know, if you get that
Speaker 7: fascination for like Cony Island and all of those things,
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be worth picking up.
Speaker 7: So I'm excited about it. I bought two copies with
Speaker 7: the hardback that have like the full color photos of everything.
Speaker 5: And then the reason we.
Speaker 7: Got six sixty six on the braid is I had
Speaker 7: remembered during the show there is a book called Secret
Speaker 7: Agent six six six. It is Alistair Crowley was a
Speaker 7: British intelligence.
Speaker 3: Ation, which he almost certainly was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, and so it's that's just fun, you know,
Speaker 7: for all the other things that Crowley was it's kind
Speaker 7: of worth it, like Crowley. So those are my two
Speaker 7: Crawley Crawley, Crowley, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Rhymes with holy.
Speaker 7: I've been hitting the headline.
Speaker 3: Hey me too. My recommendation is the thing I recommended
Speaker 3: to Brendon right before the show, which is Twelve Monkeys
Speaker 3: the TV series. I loved the movie, but I think
Speaker 3: I actually liked the TV series more. It was like
Speaker 3: early mid two thousands. I don't remember exactly when, but
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen it, it's worth tracking down. It
Speaker 3: was it really it took the idea and expanded on
Speaker 3: it in some really awesome ways. So there. Now we
Speaker 3: go back to the regular show. So I'm here with
Speaker 3: Timothy Renner. We are speaking about his new book, The
Speaker 3: Keystone Hagstone, Fairies and other Mysterious Entities of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: Should address the title?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 5: Maybe I should address the Yeah, go ahead. So in
Speaker 5: the folkal where a hagstone is a stone with a
Speaker 5: naturally hurring hole in it, and it is said that
Speaker 5: one of the powers, well they've said to heal people
Speaker 5: and protect from which is there's different folks about them.
Speaker 5: But one of the things that supposed they can do
Speaker 5: is if you look through the hole in the hackstone,
Speaker 5: you can see fairies. So the title came to me.
Speaker 5: The Keystone, HEGs is a Pennsylvania is the Keystone state.
Speaker 5: So this is what you look through from the fairies
Speaker 5: of Pennsylvania, the Keystone.
Speaker 3: Hasta, Yeah, I know, I know. We have those up
Speaker 3: here too.
Speaker 5: Hextones. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they're all around. I found
Speaker 5: more in Indiana than I've ever found in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Now do you think Pennsylvania has a higher ratio of
Speaker 3: weirdness than other states?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I go back and forth on that.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I think I'm here and I'm just able to
Speaker 5: dig up stuff because this is where I am, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's natural for me to write about where I am sure,
Speaker 5: and I want to write about other stuff too, obviously,
Speaker 5: you know where the Foot Princent is about everywhere, and
Speaker 5: the Hermit Book was about everywhere. But for some reason
Speaker 5: I like that. I like, like, okay, what's around me?
Speaker 5: That kind of thing. Also, it gives a limit, like
Speaker 5: it's to you know, this three hundred fifty six pages.
Speaker 5: What if I expanded it across the country, what you know,
Speaker 5: it'd be a series of books, right, So it kind
Speaker 5: of limits it naturally to do that. But so yeah,
Speaker 5: I do go back and forth on that. Sometimes I think, well,
Speaker 5: now I'm here and I'm looking for strange stuff, so
Speaker 5: there's just a lot here. Other times I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, there is plenty around. It might come down
Speaker 5: to having a good sort of folklore recording. You know,
Speaker 5: some places just they don't have the folk wor recorder
Speaker 5: as much like there's so many Ireland has great folk wore.
Speaker 5: That's why you can just go they have a National
Speaker 5: folk wre Archive and you can just find you know,
Speaker 5: ferry encounter after fair encountercter, fairying counter right. So I
Speaker 5: think with the Pennsylvania Dutch, although the kind of folk
Speaker 5: or that people interested in the Pennsylvania doesn't usually document isn't
Speaker 5: usually like entities. It's usually things like, you know, here
Speaker 5: are the five different names for shoefly pie, and here
Speaker 5: was the way they did their bundling rituals, you know,
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But there is some, you know,
Speaker 5: you have to look hard. There is some. But I
Speaker 5: do wonder if it's a matter of like, hey, there's
Speaker 5: just a good recording here.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to the story with the
Speaker 3: basically poultry des encounter in the woods. Sure, and you
Speaker 3: also point out the humming which we get with UFO encounters,
Speaker 3: which also gets tied to obviously fairy lore and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Exactly was there a smell there too?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they mentioned a smell in the second.
Speaker 3: Part, okay, and then did they mention what smell it was?
Speaker 5: No, a peculiar smell, I think they said.
Speaker 3: Okay. But there's also the berry picking. And I mean
Speaker 3: I think the berry picking came in everyone's radar because
Speaker 3: of David Politis, who, of course his his info is
Speaker 3: kind of sketchy. So is it something you see a
Speaker 3: lot in bigfoot encounters? Yes, okay, yeah, and fairy fairy
Speaker 3: law as well.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it's across the board. It's definitely a thing.
Speaker 5: And now the question is a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people that really only go out
Speaker 5: into the woods once a year to pick berry, right right,
Speaker 5: So is it just is it coincidental in that effect?
Speaker 5: You know, is it the berries or is it the
Speaker 5: fact that you know this is you know, people pick
Speaker 5: berries in the old days, that's what they did. You know,
Speaker 5: when berries were out, people would go. It was very
Speaker 5: competitive sometimes you know people, and there's a lot of
Speaker 5: theories that these stories, some of these stories about Bigfoot
Speaker 5: or you know, wild men back at the time were
Speaker 5: made up to keep people away from the berry pad oh,
Speaker 5: because they were so competitive, you know, for people picking berries.
Speaker 5: So people did it, and they did it. A lot
Speaker 5: of people did it. So a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 5: people from the town this might be the only town
Speaker 5: the time they go out in the woods, you know,
Speaker 5: is to pick berries. So is it is it berry
Speaker 5: picking or is it the fact that they're in the
Speaker 5: wilderness for the first time, you know, in however long.
Speaker 3: And that's what I wanted to get at. Why berries?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't you know, look your flesh and
Speaker 5: blood people be like Bigfoot wants all the berries for himself.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's rational, I was told. So I love
Speaker 5: tea berry, which is like Hunters berry. It's it's like
Speaker 5: a winter green kind of flavor. I think it's probably
Speaker 5: my favorite wild berry. I love it and I will
Speaker 5: pick it whenever I find it, whenever the berries orright,
Speaker 5: and it's everywhere in the mountains like in the show.
Speaker 5: It's just there's no shortage of it. But someone wrote
Speaker 5: me and said you know, Bigfoot considers all tea berry
Speaker 5: to be their own. Okay, and how do you know?
Speaker 5: Yeah what Bigfoot can fight me for it?
Speaker 3: You got your staff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like, hey, if if it gets me
Speaker 5: to see Bigfoot, you know, like I'm ready for that
Speaker 5: sighting now. So your Bigfoot wants to fight me for
Speaker 5: some tea berry, let's let's go Bigfoot, let's have about it.
Speaker 5: He'll win, but you know.
Speaker 3: You might get a shot in exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah before we ripped my arms off.
Speaker 3: But yeah, will it be worth it?
Speaker 5: It would would?
Speaker 3: Okay. So my question here, and we briefly touched on
Speaker 3: this earlier, is why are all these encounters scary?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: I guess not all of them are, but there's a
Speaker 5: few like like the girl with the leprechaun in her
Speaker 5: room right right. There's a couple kind of like humorous
Speaker 5: ones where people see like funny creatures. There's there's the
Speaker 5: one the uh Protection from Apes, which is a great
Speaker 5: story that's in there. Did you did you get to
Speaker 5: that one?
Speaker 3: I don't think so? Do you want to read that one?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So this is Tyler Strand collected this story from
Speaker 5: he was at a paranormal festival in somewhere in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: and this woman told him this story. So it's not
Speaker 5: it's not his story. It's when he collected though. But
Speaker 5: he told it on Strange Familiar, So I feel like
Speaker 5: it's it's fair game.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 5: So. Tyler Strand as an artist and paranormalist, perhaps best
Speaker 5: known for his participation in that documentary is Hell You're
Speaker 5: in the Unbinding. During one of Tyler's appearances on Strange Familiars,
Speaker 5: he told a story that was given to him by
Speaker 5: a witness attending a big foot and UFO event in
Speaker 5: western Pennsylvania. And this is a quote from Tyler. What
Speaker 5: she told me is that her cousin, when she was little,
Speaker 5: was playing inside of her. I think she was between
Speaker 5: eight or twelve years old in that age range. She
Speaker 5: was playing in her garage alone, and on the floor
Speaker 5: of the garage there was a manhole cover for drainage,
Speaker 5: you know, a perforated manhole cover. And while she's playing,
Speaker 5: the cover starts to rattle and shake, and it slides
Speaker 5: open and outcrawls a little man, a little old man.
Speaker 5: It sounds like a gnome. The girl looks at him
Speaker 5: and they both lock eyes, and out of nowhere they
Speaker 5: just start wrestling each other and fighting. She said, my cousin,
Speaker 5: after they're rolling around tussling for five minutes, they both
Speaker 5: just sort of stop and look at each other and
Speaker 5: start laughing. This little man said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 5: going to give you the gift of protection from apes.
Speaker 5: And she said, ever since that day, my cousin has
Speaker 5: been haunted by seeing things that looked like bigfoot walking
Speaker 5: in the periphery of her yard. It gets weirder, she said,
Speaker 5: A mistool appear and they will literally form out of
Speaker 5: the mist. She said, I've had sleepovers with my cousin
Speaker 5: and I saw this firsthand. A mist appeared inside of
Speaker 5: her room, and this thing that looked like a monkey
Speaker 5: human hybrid men manifested out of the mist with glowing
Speaker 5: green eyes and hovered there before it vanished. So my
Speaker 5: commentary on that is, in that wondrous, strange way in
Speaker 5: which the other conducts itself, the gift of the noome
Speaker 5: like being would seem at first to be granting the
Speaker 5: gift of protection from any assaults of simion things. Yeah, However,
Speaker 5: as these ape like things have appeared around her home
Speaker 5: in the wake of her wrestling match with the gnome.
Speaker 5: It seems she was given instead apes as her protector.
Speaker 5: So instead of protection from apes, she was given protection
Speaker 5: from apes. So there's you know, it's kind of weird,
Speaker 5: kind of but kind of scary, but kind of funny too,
Speaker 5: Like she's wrestling with this thing and they both start laughing,
Speaker 5: and then I mean, I don't know how upsetting it
Speaker 5: is to have these apes around, but it really seems
Speaker 5: like she has these they're her protectors, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does seem like a lot of the
Speaker 3: accounts that the people immediately jump to this is evil,
Speaker 3: this is horrible, you know, evil witches and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: without like a second thought about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for surest most by far, most by far are
Speaker 5: you know, people are frightened, shocked, upset, you know, it's
Speaker 5: you wouldn't call them positive experiences, I think, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it seems like most of the folklore surrounding them
Speaker 3: is not. It's all warnings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, and I wonder about that. So I
Speaker 5: talk about it in terms of like red berries, Right,
Speaker 5: So when I grew up, I was told never eat
Speaker 5: a red berry that you find in the woods. They're
Speaker 5: all poisonous. Well that's not true. There's plenty of red
Speaker 5: berries you can inspec teaberries or RedBerry. There's plenty of
Speaker 5: red berries you can eat. However, if you're not going
Speaker 5: to learn which redberries you can eat and which you can't,
Speaker 5: don't eat any red berries you find in the woods.
Speaker 5: Is a great rule of thumbs, right, Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like a shorthand, like I don't have time to teach
Speaker 5: you which redberries eat, so just don't eat any red
Speaker 5: berries you find in the woods. I wonder if it's
Speaker 5: not like that, if it's not like, look, I don't
Speaker 5: have the time to teach you a proper way to
Speaker 5: interact with these things, so just don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that just comes through, because I mean,
Speaker 5: there are explicit rules in folks wh which, look through
Speaker 5: my practice in this stuff, I've found kind of work.
Speaker 5: They kind of tend to be true. I think it
Speaker 5: was our ancestors who have had thousands of years of
Speaker 5: interchange with this stuff sort of passing down through story,
Speaker 5: this is how you deal with this stuff. But I
Speaker 5: think a lot of these stories kind of tend to
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, don't don't mess with it because I
Speaker 5: don't have time to teach it the right way.
Speaker 6: To do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes some sense, and I'm sure some of
Speaker 3: it's just fear of the unknown too.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely. So.
Speaker 3: There was once one thing you had in here. I
Speaker 3: don't know which page it is that I found very interesting.
Speaker 3: It's the Witches Hill known as hex Duns.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I believe that's in Burkes County too. You
Speaker 5: find that is?
Speaker 3: This one stood out to me? And again which witches
Speaker 3: and everything gets blamed on witches?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's a okay, So it's an
Speaker 5: article from the Reading Times in nineteen twenty five and
Speaker 5: they talk about this place called Witch's Hill in Brooks County.
Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to see how close it is to
Speaker 5: that where they had that very encounter we were reading
Speaker 5: about or whatever. It was, Oh yeah, less than two
Speaker 5: miles from Windsor Castle. There was, until about Windsor Castle's
Speaker 5: a place in Brooks County, not the Windsor Castle any
Speaker 5: There was, until about fifty years ago a piece of
Speaker 5: unused land which all the countries I believed be the
Speaker 5: trysting place of witches. All the malevolent spirits of these
Speaker 5: parts were supposed on certain nights to be to hea
Speaker 5: themselves hither and to dance around and around with measured tread.
Speaker 5: In proof of this, there could be shown the great
Speaker 5: circular track made by their feet, not merely bare of grass,
Speaker 5: but worn down to the ground, and the most reliable
Speaker 5: of our histories. Historians report seeing the ring at the
Speaker 5: time it was falling into disuse. The connection between the
Speaker 5: existence of these witches and sickness is close and clear enough.
Speaker 5: Was the chief work of the diabolic hags to throw
Speaker 5: spells upon folks when they disliked and their friends disliked,
Speaker 5: and upon whoever happened to be at hand when they
Speaker 5: were in a foul temper. These spells resulted in the
Speaker 5: most lamentable kinds of sickness, and it was commonly believed
Speaker 5: that the best treatment was to have the evil spirit
Speaker 5: cast out, rather than to swallow pills and physics. The
Speaker 5: circular track upon which is hill became known as hex
Speaker 5: dans or the witch's dance hall. This track is a
Speaker 5: spot about twenty feet in diameter, or upon which no
Speaker 5: vegetation will grow. A circle calls to mind both fairy
Speaker 5: rings and what we would call today crop circles. These
Speaker 5: formations of depressed crops were also thought by the Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: Germans to be caused by the dancing of witches by
Speaker 5: hexandertsk Giddants. It would exclaim translation the witches dance here.
Speaker 5: Anomalous lights were often seen upon which is still and
Speaker 5: it was said that this place was so evil that
Speaker 5: animals were unwilling to cross the land. You have again this,
Speaker 5: you know, a whole bunch of things happening.
Speaker 3: In l Yes, yeah, and that's what I found interesting
Speaker 3: about it, the idea that, yeah, they're similar to crop circles.
Speaker 3: The lights the animal, and the thing is whatever generates
Speaker 3: the light might be giving off an energy that animals
Speaker 3: don't you know, either hear maybe they hear it and
Speaker 3: they don't like going near it. Whatever, you know, it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily make it evil for.
Speaker 5: Sure, for sure. And again people are especially when you
Speaker 5: had you know, rural people with you know, farm animals
Speaker 5: and such. They're paying attention, you know, to what their
Speaker 5: animals are doing and there they probably use them as
Speaker 5: biosensors in a way. Right, they have better years and
Speaker 5: better noses than us. So if they're reacting to something,
Speaker 5: you know, they're probably like because there were other dangers
Speaker 5: out there, you know, until the mid eighteen hundreds. There
Speaker 5: were wolves, you know, and cougars and such, so so
Speaker 5: there were the danger so they probably did rely on
Speaker 5: like the reaction of their animals a lot.
Speaker 3: Man. There was another connection I just made and I
Speaker 3: immediately lost it, So that was good. So the crop
Speaker 3: circles and uh rings and yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 3: it was. It'll come back to me. And then during
Speaker 3: the next pit bit we talk about which should be
Speaker 3: the the these weird foxes and the the Eternal Hunter thing. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've found a lot of these stories.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think I have gathered the most
Speaker 5: Eternal Hunter folk wre in one place that's that's ever
Speaker 5: been done. I could be wrong if it's been done before.
Speaker 5: I just haven't found it. But I've done a lot
Speaker 5: of research on the Eternal Hunter, and no one else
Speaker 5: has really dug in. Like some're very proud of my
Speaker 5: my chapter in the Eternal.
Speaker 3: Hunter, So talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I first read about it, it was in
Speaker 5: a ghost story book and I opened that the chapter
Speaker 5: up with this story of it's a poem called a
Speaker 5: Legend of the Hounds, and that's how it was presented.
Speaker 5: It was a in a one of Charles Adams ghost stories.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you're familiar with me. He wrote
Speaker 5: a ton of books of ghost stories from New Jersey
Speaker 5: and Pennsylvanian stuff. But he writes about this poem and
Speaker 5: it's about this iron furnace master and he's, you know,
Speaker 5: a cruel man and no one likes him, and they
Speaker 5: only like him because he's you know, buys people drinks,
Speaker 5: he has money and you know, loose women around him
Speaker 5: and stuff. But he has this group of hounds that
Speaker 5: are renown for hunting hounds, and he invites these people
Speaker 5: from Philadelphia out to go hunting, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 5: his hounds won't hunt that day, and he gets very
Speaker 5: upset and because he's this cruel man, he throws has
Speaker 5: his hounds thrown into the iron furn in this very
Speaker 5: Edgar Allan Poe. This poem is very edgirl and poet.
Speaker 5: You know, he kind of goes mad after that, and
Speaker 5: eventually he gets addicted to whiskey and drinks himself to death.
Speaker 5: And on this last day, you know, he talks about
Speaker 5: the hounds are coming from the furnace and they're going
Speaker 5: to drag him to hell or whatever it is. They're
Speaker 5: going to take him away. The hounds have come to
Speaker 5: take away, and they use this as a ghost story
Speaker 5: to explain the eternal Hunter. So these eternal Hunter legends
Speaker 5: pop up. They're different explanations. They sometimes they give a
Speaker 5: name to them. Sometimes they have a story with them.
Speaker 5: In this case, was you know this guy with the hounds,
Speaker 5: which the guy wrote the poem, by the way, never
Speaker 5: explicitly says and that guy became the eternal Hunter. I
Speaker 5: think because the poem was there, and because it takes
Speaker 5: place in this iron furnace that's generally in this Pennsylvania
Speaker 5: Dutch Land where they had legends of the eternal Hunter,
Speaker 5: somebody went, oh, okay, then he became the eternal Hunter, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he had these sounds. It's the legend of this this
Speaker 5: hunter for various reasons, who is immortal and he hunts
Speaker 5: eternally with this pack of ghostly hounds, usually his hounds.
Speaker 5: Sometimes there's wolves with them too, and flies to the
Speaker 5: sky and you don't want to meet them. It's you
Speaker 5: can be carried off or torn to pieces. There's all
Speaker 5: different kinds of stories about But as I'm tracking these
Speaker 5: stories down, I'm thinking, well, this is a wild hunt.
Speaker 5: Legend and these you know, it roots back to Germany.
Speaker 5: Like literally there's a there's the brothers Grim collected an
Speaker 5: eternal Hunter legend, right, they assigned it to someone else,
Speaker 5: some other hunter, but it really goes back to Odin,
Speaker 5: so Odin and these other figures like Perked. It was
Speaker 5: one all these mythological figures like the would leave what
Speaker 5: they call the wild Hunt, which was a troop of
Speaker 5: usually hounds, sometimes dead people, sometimes fairies, sometimes all the above,
Speaker 5: and that would ride through the night and they would
Speaker 5: hunt sometimes people, sometimes you know, sinful people sometimes they'd hunt.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they hunt other fairies like most people and stuff.
Speaker 5: So you know, it depends. The legend varies, but it's
Speaker 5: very very clearly a legend that came from Germany with
Speaker 5: the Pennsylvania Germans and they got here and they tried
Speaker 5: to put the legend here, right, so the legend came
Speaker 5: with them and they came up with these different stories
Speaker 5: like to explain how the Eternal hunters here. But it
Speaker 5: definitely riots back to this wild Hunt legend where you
Speaker 5: know Odin led this this group of this hunt through
Speaker 5: the sky. Essentially it's you know, very very similar. So
Speaker 5: I think the Eternal Hunter is probably one of the
Speaker 5: few instances of Odin in the New World.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of these stories, like you said,
Speaker 3: has to do with a fox being hunted.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of yeah, a lot of fox stories
Speaker 5: that the first poem is they were hunting a fox
Speaker 5: where the dogs wouldn't hunt. There's another one with some
Speaker 5: sort of supernatural fox that had glowing eyes and shot
Speaker 5: lightning from its tail. I think are shot sparks from
Speaker 5: its tail, excuse me. And yeah, that the hunter is
Speaker 5: like hunting this fox and never never kills it. He
Speaker 5: gets dashed upon the rocks and he becomes the eternal Hunter.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's a few where they're for hunting foxes,
Speaker 5: so one of them they're hunting wolves. So, and there's
Speaker 5: eternal huntresses as well, which was really neat. I yeah,
Speaker 5: some in Clearfield County there's an eternal huntress and there's
Speaker 5: another in Bedford County, so depending on where they are.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of other sort of ghostly hunters
Speaker 5: throughout the state. But that I kind of throw in
Speaker 5: there in the chapter. They kind of round it out.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but yeah, it's such an interesting like that
Speaker 5: we have this wild so the wild hunter is tiled
Speaker 5: to fairy lore absolutely, and we have this wild hunt
Speaker 5: legend here.
Speaker 3: So what like, what are people really experiencing that they're
Speaker 3: they're attaching to this.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a good question. And one of the things
Speaker 5: a lot of the newspapers would talk about is how
Speaker 5: the Pennsylvania Dutch were afraid of night flying geese. And
Speaker 5: they would say like, oh, they're so afraid of it.
Speaker 5: They're afraid of geese. And they would portray us this
Speaker 5: kind of like what I called they would use in
Speaker 5: the newspaper. It's not my phrase, but I use it
Speaker 5: as an example. They called them dumb Dutchman, right, the right,
Speaker 5: it's sort of like these rural people that they're not sophisticated. Right,
Speaker 5: That was the idea. And I'll just read a little section.
Speaker 5: It's as much as it's been written of the Pennsylvania
Speaker 5: Germans supposed fear of night flying geese. Sometimes these geese
Speaker 5: were taken as a sign of coming snow, and in
Speaker 5: this form they were called schnagans. Other times, the clamoring
Speaker 5: flock was said to represent the horn of the eternal Hunter,
Speaker 5: or even his pack of spectral dogs in full cry.
Speaker 5: Often newspaper articles would portray the so called dumb Dutchman
Speaker 5: as if they were terrified of geese. Well, it is
Speaker 5: possible that some of the Pennsylvania Germans feared the geese
Speaker 5: for their association with the hunter. Most, no doubt, knew
Speaker 5: exactly what the geese were and simply took the honking
Speaker 5: cry as a symbol of the hunter. This idea was
Speaker 5: expressed by Thomas R. Brendel, speaking of lord passed to
Speaker 5: him by his father. Brendell noted he did not call
Speaker 5: the wild goose the awik jegor that's the eternal hunter
Speaker 5: of this German, but he explained the legend through the noises.
Speaker 5: In fact, the association of wild geese with the eternal
Speaker 5: hunter traveled with the German people to America, like the
Speaker 5: hunter himself. In some parts of Germany, flocks of migratory
Speaker 5: birds were called Woden's wild here or Odin's wild army.
Speaker 5: This wild army of Odin is otherwise known as the
Speaker 5: wild Hunt. Former Serbone professor and author of multiple books
Speaker 5: on folk called Kato published a fantastic book and a
Speaker 5: thorough survey on the wild Hunt and related legends of Europe.
Speaker 5: In his book Phantom armies of the night, the wild hunts,
Speaker 5: and the ghostly processions of the undead. In this volume,
Speaker 5: Lekato notes another connection between migratory birds and the wild hunt. Quote,
Speaker 5: it is obvious that birds played an important role in
Speaker 5: the history of the wild hunt, because, even if this
Speaker 5: has been forgotten in modern times, the souls of the
Speaker 5: dead often took the form of a winged creature, black
Speaker 5: for a damned soul, and white for a redeemed one unquote.
Speaker 5: Other Pennsylvania folklore asserts that persons born on Christmas Day
Speaker 5: can tell the difference between the bang of the eternal
Speaker 5: hunter's dogs and the honking of wild geese. Those born
Speaker 5: in other times will only hear geese. So this was
Speaker 5: something they feared in the night. And that guy Brendled
Speaker 5: and some others talk about hunting with their father, and
Speaker 5: I think it's uncle. And he said more than once
Speaker 5: they would hear these sounds, and it'd be like, let's
Speaker 5: we're going home. We're not hunting at this tonight.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: They took it seriously enough to leave. So this was considered.
Speaker 5: He was not considered a good thing, they said in
Speaker 5: Berks County. If he wore a black wolfskin tied with
Speaker 5: red string around your neck. That would be protecting from
Speaker 5: the eternal Hunter. You could put a wolf skin in
Speaker 5: your in your barn, I believe, to protect in the
Speaker 5: raptors of your barn. Let's see, wolf's tide could be
Speaker 5: fastened under the eaves of the barn to protect to
Speaker 5: protect the farm from the wild Hunter. So they really
Speaker 5: kind of took it seriously. Some of these rural churches
Speaker 5: would ring their church bells every every hour, every two
Speaker 5: hours throughout the night just to they said that would
Speaker 5: keep the eternal Hunter away. So it was something that
Speaker 5: they took seriously.
Speaker 3: And how does that? I mean, you have the eternal
Speaker 3: Hunter and you have the wild Hunt. Are they kind
Speaker 3: of interchangeable to a degree?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean Lekotto really separates them and he makes
Speaker 5: the difference between like these these hunter figures and in
Speaker 5: the wild Hunt, and he kind of differentiates it. The
Speaker 5: lines are so blurred with the Eternal Hunter that it's
Speaker 5: it's kind of all of the above. Like he talks
Speaker 5: about the diabolical Huntsman, which is a demonic presence which
Speaker 5: hunts mortals, often accompanied by a pack of hounds, and
Speaker 5: the wild huntsmen who usually hunts supernatural beings, and the
Speaker 5: cursed huntsman Newses upon a horse with his hunting dogs,
Speaker 5: pursues prey that he will never catch. So these wild
Speaker 5: Hunter legends are kind of a combination of all of
Speaker 5: the above, all of these things. So again we're getting
Speaker 5: this missmash of folk ore here. You know that that
Speaker 5: has come over time. So it's it's kind of precious
Speaker 5: to I think to have these lines drawn and I
Speaker 5: think very blurry, you know, when it comes to the
Speaker 5: Eternal Hunter. I think we eat a little of all
Speaker 5: the above there.
Speaker 3: For some reason, this is the Wild Hunt is always
Speaker 3: one of those things that doesn't stick with me for
Speaker 3: some reason. We did a whole show I think, with
Speaker 3: Josh and Barbara Fisher about it, and it's it just
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it's not something my brain like just
Speaker 3: clicks with. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5: It's a very folk word thing. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: it's tied to you know, deep deep European folklore. You know,
Speaker 5: the question is, did anyone ever see the Eternal Hunter
Speaker 5: or these just stories? You know, I don't know, I
Speaker 5: don't know, but you know, these stories are a folklore
Speaker 5: that traveled with the German people. You know, so I
Speaker 5: think the Swallet Hunt is associated with fairy legends, so
Speaker 5: I think it's important to include it. But you know,
Speaker 5: I couldn't find anybody said yeah I saw the I
Speaker 5: saw The Eternal Hunter on you know, December eighth, eighteen
Speaker 5: seventy four.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, right, Yeah. Well, the other
Speaker 3: things I wanted to comment on this before we end
Speaker 3: the main show here is you have artwork in here
Speaker 3: that that surprisingly is absolutely awesome.
Speaker 5: Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: You have a lot of it in here.
Speaker 5: I try to open and close every chapter. I open
Speaker 5: every chapter with a full page and close every chapter
Speaker 5: with like a spot illustration. But there's some some other
Speaker 5: full pages that I threw in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just astoundingly I mean, your stuff is
Speaker 3: always great. I don't think I've ever seen the art
Speaker 3: work you've done where I'm well, yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 5: My original idea for this was to have literally something
Speaker 5: on every page, and I realized it's going to like
Speaker 5: when it was I knew it was going to be
Speaker 5: a thick book, and I was like, if I do that,
Speaker 5: it's just going to make the book so it would
Speaker 5: be ridiculous, Like I just and it was taking me
Speaker 5: forever to finish. As it was, I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, let me let me have the artwork that
Speaker 5: I have and that'll be that.
Speaker 3: When did you start working on it?
Speaker 5: Actually before the Hermit book, probably actually some of it
Speaker 5: before where the footprintcent So the chapter on phantom black Dogs.
Speaker 5: I was originally going to do a book kind of
Speaker 5: like I did. I'm trying to do with the big Foot,
Speaker 5: the historical big Foot books I was going to do like,
Speaker 5: but I was going to try to put it all
Speaker 5: in one book and just do phantom black dogs for
Speaker 5: the whole country.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, it seemed like very quickly I realized that's going
Speaker 5: to be an insane proposition and a book that's way
Speaker 5: too thick. So I thought, well, I'll throw the black
Speaker 5: dogs in here, because the pantom black dogs are people
Speaker 5: debate whether they're related to Fay or not, but they're
Speaker 5: often included with them. So I threw those in there.
Speaker 5: But I had done started doing that research before. So
Speaker 5: the rest of my black dog research is coming out
Speaker 5: on strange familiars were doing every now and then we
Speaker 5: just do a you know, black Dogs of Maryland show
Speaker 5: or black Dogs of Ohio show, you know, so where
Speaker 5: I present the rest of it like that, because I'm
Speaker 5: not publishing a book on black every black dog story
Speaker 5: I could find in the whole United States. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: we'll do those in strange for most, but that that
Speaker 5: i'd done very early on. Some of the Eternal Hunter
Speaker 5: research I did right after where the Footprints end, So
Speaker 5: that that was that. And then so some of this
Speaker 5: you know has been It was originally only be three books.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a black Dog book, it was going
Speaker 5: to be a Fairies in pennsylvani book, and it's going
Speaker 5: to be Eternal Hunter book. And I realized they all
Speaker 5: go together. So I just kind of put them all
Speaker 5: together and knocked three books out in one, which is
Speaker 5: actually a great relief for me. I have more books
Speaker 5: that I want to write than I have time.
Speaker 3: Left in my life me too.
Speaker 5: Technically, I guess it's a good problem to have. But
Speaker 5: it's also said, there's more.
Speaker 3: So many things I want to do. But I was
Speaker 3: gonna say something else about the book, and I've completely
Speaker 3: forgotten what it was because I was too busy listening
Speaker 3: to you. It's it's it's one of my faults is
Speaker 3: that I listened to my guests.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know how that is. No, it's it's years
Speaker 5: of research that went to this. So it started years
Speaker 5: ago and then it came out this year.
Speaker 3: And where where can people get it?
Speaker 5: They can get it. Lostgrave dot etsy dot com is
Speaker 5: me and if you want to sign copy, that's where
Speaker 5: you can get it. What is on Amazon? You can
Speaker 5: order it into your local bookstore. It should be you know,
Speaker 5: wherever books are sold. What was the Etsy again, Lost
Speaker 5: Grave dot etsy dot com.
Speaker 3: All right, and of course the podcast, which we should
Speaker 3: address briefly because a lot of people have written me
Speaker 3: about it that you weren't on YouTube anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so YouTube demonetize me, and I got a little
Speaker 5: upset and thought, well, why should they make money on
Speaker 5: my show If I can't make money, which they will
Speaker 5: do they would have done, so I just set all
Speaker 5: my videos to private for a while. It was a
Speaker 5: from what I understand, it was like the people were
Speaker 5: out of the office and AI made a decision to
Speaker 5: demonetize a bunch of channels. It sounds right, And when
Speaker 5: the people got back, it seems like they're slowly going
Speaker 5: through and remonetizing a bunch of these channels. That I
Speaker 5: probably got demonetized for wrong reasons. Like they said, they
Speaker 5: caught it unaresonal content. I'm like, I'm not a restal
Speaker 5: content every week what he took to right, So in
Speaker 5: any case, I am remonetized. And every show that was
Speaker 5: there is back up again and plus new ones. So
Speaker 5: I will be as long as they keep me monetized,
Speaker 5: I'll keep putting shows up on YouTube. So we're back
Speaker 5: on YouTube, all right, Strange familiars and then everywhere you.
Speaker 3: Get there where, everywhere you get what podcasts? Oh okay,
Speaker 3: it dropped out podcasts. That was weird.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a few more things we could talk about,
Speaker 3: including that the the King Arthur Grave on the Patreon
Speaker 3: and so, but thank you for doing this part, Tim,
Speaker 3: and the book is fantastic and people should pick it up.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 8: Red song in my black the red bus to pry
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Speaker 10: My father's holding about small grass has still still fans.
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Speaker 5: The black man, the child and down my back, the black.
Speaker 8: Sun and child and my path, the black pas behround
Speaker 8: and some my fence, a black snack.
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