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Speaker 1: descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.
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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes
Speaker 2: and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.
Speaker 2: How are you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I've heard a saying that January makes you feel every
Speaker 2: single day of its month. I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker 2: I felt all thirty one days of this January as
Speaker 2: it today, being the thirty first.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, January is like ten years long.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can spend a year in January. January right,
Speaker 2: every year. But yeah, so anyway, that's going good. But
Speaker 2: I do have a good story for you. Oh what's
Speaker 2: it about? Well, it is another serial killer actually in
Speaker 2: this one, this guy, his reign of terror was in
Speaker 2: after his birth date of March seventh, nineteen seventy one, Pisces.
Speaker 2: But you would never guess he was a Pisces. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: serial killer Pisces not normal. Sad's Jerry all day?
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Speaker 2: is about serial killer Todd Christopher cole he Again. He
Speaker 2: was born on March seventh, nineteen seventy one his parents,
Speaker 2: Regina and William Sampsell in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Now, his
Speaker 2: parents' marriage was rocky from day one, and they divorced
Speaker 2: when Todd was just a baby. Regina, who legally changed
Speaker 2: her name back to her maiden name of Todd. She
Speaker 2: kept Todd and she did not let William have any
Speaker 2: contact with his son, so when Todd was about three
Speaker 2: years old, Regina reburied to Carl Colehep, hence the Todd
Speaker 2: cole Hep. And Carl was a man who would become
Speaker 2: severely abusive towards Todd, but before that all started, Carl
Speaker 2: legally adopted Todd in nineteen seventy six. Todd spent a
Speaker 2: lot of his childhood living in Georgia and South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and while he was growing up, Todd began to display
Speaker 2: many frightening characteristics. Todd was known as a bully around school,
Speaker 2: and he seemed to be quite proud of this fact.
Speaker 2: He would destroy class projects of his classmates, personal property, animals,
Speaker 2: and due to these actions, he was eventually put into
Speaker 2: the Boy Scouts by his mom and stepfather, hoping that
Speaker 2: this would straighten him out. Before being forced to join
Speaker 2: the Boy Scouts, Todd killed his goldfish with bleach and
Speaker 2: even hunted and shot a local dog with a baby gun. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: when this reminds me of any serial killer, you know,
Speaker 2: when you start killing animals at a young age. With
Speaker 2: the goldfish, he had actually I think he wanted a
Speaker 2: gerbil and his mom brought home a gold She was
Speaker 2: like nope, and he poured bleach right into the bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh the poor fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is harbinger of what's to come.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 2: Now this would happen often. Todd seemed to be driven
Speaker 2: by a lot of anger, and his home life really
Speaker 2: fed in to this fact. Todd really had been angry
Speaker 2: from the time he was able to walk and talk.
Speaker 2: He enjoyed tormenting animals and harming others at an age
Speaker 2: that should have been way too early to know about
Speaker 2: such things. In nineteen eighty one, Todd was nine years old,
Speaker 2: he was admitted to a mental hospital at night at
Speaker 2: nine years old, the Behavior Evaluation Center at the Georgia
Speaker 2: Mental Health Institute, and he was sent there as a
Speaker 2: result of his mother not wanting to parents such a
Speaker 2: troublesome child. According to the reports, at such a young age,
Speaker 2: he was already so explosively violent and sexual thoughts and
Speaker 2: impulses were already controlling his young mind. I have to
Speaker 2: say that this comes from somewhere. I don't really know
Speaker 2: a lot of cases where children are born with such negative,
Speaker 2: dark behavior. It is because of the adults around them,
Speaker 2: and it will show up in the child.
Speaker 1: So we've talked a lot nature versus nurture.
Speaker 2: Nurture for sure. I think he is a good example
Speaker 2: of this. Carl Todd's stepdad, he physically abused him, and
Speaker 2: so did his own grandfather, who was known to beat
Speaker 2: Todd his grandson with a cattle prod Because of the
Speaker 2: ways he was being treated, Todd hated Carl with passion,
Speaker 2: and all Todd wanted was to be able to go
Speaker 2: live with his biological father, William. While in the mental hospital,
Speaker 2: Todd went through years worth of counseling session and his
Speaker 2: wish to live with his father finally came true. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, Todd's mother couldn't tolerate the abuse that
Speaker 2: Carl was inflicting on her son, so Todd packed his
Speaker 2: bags and went to go live with his father in Tempe, Arizona,
Speaker 2: while Regina was in the process of getting a second divorce,
Speaker 2: so Todd began living with his father at the age
Speaker 2: of twelve. And even though Todd had experienced neglect while
Speaker 2: living with his mother and stepfather, living with his biological
Speaker 2: father was unfortunately no different. William had an intense obsession
Speaker 2: with guns and had many girlfriends, but regardless, Todd really
Speaker 2: enjoyed living with his father at first, but selfishness gott
Speaker 2: in William's way to the point where Todd asked to
Speaker 2: come back home to his mother, but his mother made
Speaker 2: up excuses for why he couldn't come back home, and
Speaker 2: Todd steed in Arizona was extended. William his jad spent
Speaker 2: a lot of times on dates with various women while
Speaker 2: Todd was left home to fend for himself, so neglect
Speaker 2: there too. Yeah, Todd was a very bright kid and
Speaker 2: he was considered to have an above average IQ. And
Speaker 2: with such high intelligence, he loved learning to make bombs.
Speaker 2: Wow and yeah, as with you do with this knowledge
Speaker 2: and great IQ and rage. He loved learning how to
Speaker 2: make bombs and learn how to blow things up while
Speaker 2: with his father. He eventually became overcome with anger since
Speaker 2: he couldn't handle much more neglect and abuse from the
Speaker 2: people that were supposed to keep him safe from harm,
Speaker 2: so he committed his first recorded crime at the age
Speaker 2: of fifteen. On November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, Todd
Speaker 2: decided that he would kidnap and rape a fourteen year
Speaker 2: old girl. She was a neighbor who lived on the
Speaker 2: same street as Todd and his dad, and while his
Speaker 2: father was on another one of his many dates, Todd
Speaker 2: took advantage of the alone time and lured the young
Speaker 2: girl away from her house by telling her that her
Speaker 2: boyfriend wanted to speak with her outside. Once the girl
Speaker 2: was outside, Todd led her to his house with a
Speaker 2: twenty two caliber revolver one, tied her up with rope,
Speaker 2: duct taped her mouth shut, and raped her. And how
Speaker 2: work is he he's fifteen? She's fourteen?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow incredible. Once Todd was finished with her, he walked
Speaker 2: her back to her home and threatened that he would
Speaker 2: kill her entire family if she reported him to the authorities. Wow. Incredible.
Speaker 2: Regardless of the threats, Todd was reported to the police
Speaker 2: and was arrested within hours of the rape. While in
Speaker 2: police custody, he was given a psyche valuation and was
Speaker 2: diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. This is nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 2: I believe, And how much do we know about any
Speaker 2: kind of mental thing? And none? Nothing? Right zero zero.
Speaker 2: His evaluation showed signs of mental disturbance, but no psychosis.
Speaker 2: He knew exactly what he was doing. He had an
Speaker 2: IQ of one eighteen, and when asked why he raped
Speaker 2: the young girl, he answered by saying that his reason
Speaker 2: behind the rape was just because he was angry with
Speaker 2: his dad and because Todd had a huge crush on
Speaker 2: this girl. So I'm mad at my dad and I
Speaker 2: really like this girl, so I violently rape her, violently
Speaker 2: attack her. I can't even think of like a medical term,
Speaker 2: just straight up dumb.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's craziness.
Speaker 2: It is now. The girl had crushes on a couple
Speaker 2: of Todd's friends, but she had friend zone Todd, so
Speaker 2: that wasn't going to work for him. Todd ended up
Speaker 2: taking a plea deal. If he pleaded guilty to everything,
Speaker 2: then the sexual charges would be dropped. And that's exactly
Speaker 2: what happened. I feel like the justice system with all
Speaker 2: of the sexual crimes that there are are committed by men,
Speaker 2: that they really protect men in this all of the
Speaker 2: sexual charges are dropped by guilty. So what is he
Speaker 2: pleading guilty to? Yeah, he briefed her, you know, terrible.
Speaker 2: Todd's case went to trial and he was tried as
Speaker 2: an adult. This judge assigned to his case found him
Speaker 2: to be a very smart individual, but also really dangerous,
Speaker 2: and with that, he was sentenced to fifteen years in
Speaker 2: an adult prison in October of nineteen eighty seven. He
Speaker 2: served fourteen years and was released in two thousand and one. Now,
Speaker 2: with his release, Todd was required to register as a
Speaker 2: sex offender. This requirement followed him as he moved from
Speaker 2: Arizona back to South Carolina. While in prison, Todd took
Speaker 2: college courses and he earned himself a bachelor's degree in
Speaker 2: computer science from the Central Arizona College. The first thing
Speaker 2: that Todd did after his release was get his driver's license.
Speaker 2: In January of two thousand and two, he began a
Speaker 2: job with seven sons in company in Spartanburg, South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and he worked as a graphics designer. He worked for
Speaker 2: them until November two thousand and three before he became
Speaker 2: a real estate agent, and he obtained these jobs using
Speaker 2: an immensely padded resume. But things were really looking up
Speaker 2: for Todd, so everybody thought. On November six, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, four bodies were found at a motorcycle shop,
Speaker 2: Superbike Motorsports, in Chesney, South Carolina. The four victims of
Speaker 2: this thoughtless crime were shop owner thirty year old Scott Ponder,
Speaker 2: Scott's mother and bookkeeper fifty two year old Beverly, the
Speaker 2: service manager twenty nine year old Brian Lucas, and the
Speaker 2: mechanic twenty six year old Chris Sherbet. All four victims
Speaker 2: were shot to death. Scott's friend Noel had spoken with
Speaker 2: him as he was on his way to open up
Speaker 2: the shop that morning. Noah was the one that discovered
Speaker 2: the bodies not even ten minutes later. The crime really
Speaker 2: shook up the small town of Chesney. The town was quiet,
Speaker 2: and it was the first time that a quadruple homicide
Speaker 2: had happened there. The oddest thing was that the murders
Speaker 2: were carried out in broad daylight. Chris's body was found
Speaker 2: in the back of the shop and he was found
Speaker 2: bent over as if he was working on a bike.
Speaker 2: Brian and Scott were found out in the front of
Speaker 2: the store. Scott was found in the parking lot. Scott's mom, Beverly,
Speaker 2: was found coming out of the bathroom. The way her
Speaker 2: body was found looked as if she was ambushed right
Speaker 2: as she was walking out of the bathroom. It didn't
Speaker 2: take long for the police to swarm the scene since
Speaker 2: this was such a rare crime for the police department.
Speaker 2: With everyone in shock, the police department got their first
Speaker 2: promising tip shortly after. Pretty soon after the murders became public,
Speaker 2: a witness called in a tip saying that they saw
Speaker 2: a young man and a woman walking away from the
Speaker 2: shop around the same time that the killings happened. The
Speaker 2: police were able to identify the couple, but they were
Speaker 2: really only treated as witnesses and were never linked to
Speaker 2: the murder. Sketches of the man and woman were released
Speaker 2: to the public and even more leads came flooding in.
Speaker 2: One importantly came from one of the last people who
Speaker 2: saw the victims. Alive. The Sheriff's office contacted the last
Speaker 2: customer that the shop had that day and they were
Speaker 2: very helpful to the investigation. The customer said that while
Speaker 2: he was in the shop, another man came in dressed
Speaker 2: in a leather jacket. The customer remembered that the day
Speaker 2: that the murders occurred was really warm, so the customer
Speaker 2: thought that the leather jacket was a weird touch. The
Speaker 2: man in the leather jacket was seen looking at a motorcycle,
Speaker 2: but it was really obvious that the man had zero
Speaker 2: experience with motorcycles. According to the last customer, the man
Speaker 2: in the jacket was last scene mere moments before the
Speaker 2: murders happened. The last customer was able to provide enough
Speaker 2: details so that a composite sketch could be drawn and released.
Speaker 2: Even when the sketch was released, nobody knew the customer.
Speaker 2: Not a single person recognized the man seen in the
Speaker 2: leather jacket, which is so weird. It's such a small town,
Speaker 2: you know, and very quiet. Originally, the investigation began with
Speaker 2: looking into the backgrounds of Beverly and Brian, but the
Speaker 2: police had come up empty. They had no leads in
Speaker 2: very little information. Scott's inner circle was interviewed, but nobody
Speaker 2: knew anything that could lead the investigation anywhere. The investigators
Speaker 2: were stumped until they looked into Chris's background. Chris Sherbert
Speaker 2: was the shop's newest employee and there were rumors around
Speaker 2: the murders being related to drugs. Information about Chris being
Speaker 2: the first one shot started swirling. Scott's stepfather, Terry, made
Speaker 2: a statement to the investigators in hopes of this information
Speaker 2: leading to an arrest. Terry told investigators that Chris was
Speaker 2: supposed to attend a court hearing that following Monday, and
Speaker 2: from what he had heard, he knew that Chris was
Speaker 2: looking at some serious time behind bars for various drug
Speaker 2: related crimes. The people that Chris was hanging around were
Speaker 2: also to appear in court, and they were very dangerous individuals.
Speaker 2: Terry said that maybe Chris was going to turn on
Speaker 2: his friends and that's why he was shot. The other
Speaker 2: victims were thought to be just collateral damage. Everyone related
Speaker 2: to Chris's drug case was interviewed, but this information led
Speaker 2: to nothing, so for months the case remained stagnant. Over
Speaker 2: a year went by before the investigators began viewing the
Speaker 2: quadruple murder case from a different angle. Come to find out,
Speaker 2: Brian was looking into buying a new house. His wife
Speaker 2: had zero knowledge of this. He had looked at several houses.
Speaker 2: But why was he going to surprise his wife? Why
Speaker 2: would Brian be secretly looking at houses? Well, here's the
Speaker 2: answer to these questions, Okay, buckle up. Scott's wife, Melissa
Speaker 2: had just found out that she was expecting a baby,
Speaker 2: and after the baby was born, a DNA test was
Speaker 2: taken from the baby's diaper. The DNA test result really
Speaker 2: blew the lid off this investigation. Scott was not the
Speaker 2: father Brian was. Were these murders the result of a
Speaker 2: love triangle gone awry? The results of the DNA tests
Speaker 2: were kept from Scott's wife, Melissa for a short time.
Speaker 2: The baby was named Scotty Junior, and soon after little
Speaker 2: Scotty was born, Melissa was ordered to come down to
Speaker 2: the Sheriff's office before more questioning. She answered so many
Speaker 2: questions already, so she thought this was just another routine
Speaker 2: round of questioning. Once Melissa arrived, they took her to
Speaker 2: a room and shut the door behind her. The investigators
Speaker 2: were a lot more serious than they had been in
Speaker 2: the past. The lead detective reminded Melissa that she was
Speaker 2: just at the Sheriff's office about a month ago and
Speaker 2: when she was their last she changed Scotty's diaper. The
Speaker 2: detective then proceeded to let her know that they had
Speaker 2: taken the diaper from the garbage to run DNA test
Speaker 2: on it, and that her son's DNA did not match
Speaker 2: up to Scott's. When Melissa heard this news, she was
Speaker 2: immediately enraged and couldn't believe that the son that she
Speaker 2: had just named Scotty Junior wasn't even Scott's. She demanded
Speaker 2: to have a second DNA test taken, but the results
Speaker 2: were the same. So Brian's mother, Lorraine, came forward and
Speaker 2: told police that he was not completely happy in his marriage.
Speaker 2: Two weeks before the murders, Brian kind of lost his
Speaker 2: shit on his wife right in front of his mother.
Speaker 2: Brian and Lorraine were trying to have a conversation and
Speaker 2: Brian's wife was giving Lorraine dirty looks, to the point
Speaker 2: where Brian actually confronted his wife with his mother sitting
Speaker 2: right there, and he told his wife that he needed
Speaker 2: to treat his mother with respect. This comment started a
Speaker 2: full blown confrontation as it would. All of this now
Speaker 2: makes sense on why Brian was looking out for houses
Speaker 2: on the last day that he was seen alive. Regardless
Speaker 2: of what the police told Scott's wife, she was adamant
Speaker 2: that they truly had it wrong. Melissa told detectives that
Speaker 2: her and Scott worked really hard to have that baby.
Speaker 2: Melissa said that the only explanation was that they had
Speaker 2: brought home the wrong baby. Was Okay, somewhere, someone has
Speaker 2: my baby. This is a mix up. After she said that,
Speaker 2: she said that if investigators wished to speak with her
Speaker 2: from then on, they would have to go through her attorney.
Speaker 2: She told them that she was leaving to head over
Speaker 2: to her attorney's office to have her husband's body exhumed
Speaker 2: so that she could have a DNA test done. After
Speaker 2: eighteen months of constant scrutiny from the police, Melissa was
Speaker 2: finally vindicated. There is an answer to all of this mystery.
Speaker 2: The crime scene analyst labeled Brian's blood as Scott's and
Speaker 2: Scott's blood as Brian's. Oh wow, right, I mean Jesus Alu.
Speaker 2: The wrong names were put on the vials of the
Speaker 2: blood that were collected at the crime scene. The whole
Speaker 2: time that the investigators were watching Melissa, they could have
Speaker 2: been looking at another possible suspect. So after all of
Speaker 2: this bullshit, the case was cold for thirteen years. I'm
Speaker 2: simple mislabeling. I can only imagine Melissa like we I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're going for fertility treatments, yeah, and now you're
Speaker 2: telling me you and then I'd be pissed that you
Speaker 2: took my baby's DNA. Yeah, he'll do it with cigarettes
Speaker 2: and whatnot. Yeah, And it all started with your poor labeling.
Speaker 2: I know though, Yeah, right, come on now. In two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, Todd enrolled at the University of South
Speaker 2: Carolina upstate to get his bachelor's degree in business, and
Speaker 2: while there, many of Todd's professors viewed him as a
Speaker 2: very intelligent student with an extremely bright future. Todd came
Speaker 2: off as a very normal person, so he was able
Speaker 2: to make friends easily. He was a professional bullshitter. When
Speaker 2: news of Todd's crimes came out years down the line,
Speaker 2: none of his college friends believed a word and they
Speaker 2: were absolutely shocked. Really in two thousand and six, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean to be a professional bullshitter, I feel like
Speaker 2: that's usually what's on the resume of people I've dated? No,
Speaker 2: you can bullshit. Let's go to dinner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she Hanon's attracted to them.
Speaker 2: I'm all in. So in two thousand and six, he
Speaker 2: had become a real estate agent and he bought a
Speaker 2: home in more, South Carolina. Todd came off as a
Speaker 2: very hard working man, and a lot of friends viewed
Speaker 2: him as a tad creepy, but they couldn't really pinpoint
Speaker 2: what made him creepy, so they put those feelings aside
Speaker 2: and stayed friends with him regardless. The creepiness wasn't serious
Speaker 2: enough for them to terminate their friendship. In March of
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, Todd received a private pilot's license
Speaker 2: from the Federal Aviation Administration, and in May of that
Speaker 2: same year, he applied to take the South Carolina Real
Speaker 2: Estate Exam. But in order for him to be able
Speaker 2: to take the exam, he had to explain why he
Speaker 2: was convicted of kidnapping in nineteen eighty six. Not rape,
Speaker 2: not you tying up and raping and threatening to kill,
Speaker 2: just the kidnapping exactly. The formality is to protect both
Speaker 2: the agent and the clients, as they are often in
Speaker 2: one on one positions trying to make sales on properties.
Speaker 2: As a part of the application process, everyone must acknowledge
Speaker 2: any past criminal history and then explain what the hell
Speaker 2: happened and the description of the crimes to the Department
Speaker 2: of Labor Licensing and Regulation. With his application, Todd filed
Speaker 2: a summary of the convictions that was over two pages long.
Speaker 2: This is the absolute bullshit that he wrote. On paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: he had been in a very heated argument with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: They were both fifteen at the time of this argument.
Speaker 2: He and his girlfriend terminated their relationship, then proceeded to
Speaker 2: chase a dog afterwards, and then just returned home. The
Speaker 2: police were called by the girl's parents since they were
Speaker 2: concerned for her since they were not able to reach
Speaker 2: her via telephone. The kidnapping charge was just because he
Speaker 2: had a gun on his person. Yeah, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I had a gun. I'm fifteen, I'm carrying
Speaker 2: and that he had told her not to move while
Speaker 2: we talked this out, so that I was holding a gun,
Speaker 2: I had told her not to move. Now I'm charged
Speaker 2: as the kidnapper. I'm the victim. Yeah, mm hmm. So
Speaker 2: the reasoning behind him carrying the gun was because he
Speaker 2: was so concerned for his safety at the time since
Speaker 2: the crime rate in Phoenix was so high. But all
Speaker 2: in all, carrying a gun was just a stupid mistake,
Speaker 2: and kids make stupid mistakes all the time. My bad.
Speaker 2: So after this bullshit explanation, he was still given his license.
Speaker 2: Three weeks later. After obtaining his license, he opened his
Speaker 2: own agency, the Tke Real Estate. He ran this business
Speaker 2: from his home in more South Carolina. While Todd lived
Speaker 2: his normal life, he created a wish list on Amazon
Speaker 2: that had the title me and This list included a
Speaker 2: bunch of items that he wanted to leave reviews on,
Speaker 2: but this was Tod's way of disclosing his private thoughts online.
Speaker 2: One item in review left on Amazon was for a chainsaw.
Speaker 2: The review was most likely taken as a joke from
Speaker 2: someone who had a dark sense of humor. The review
Speaker 2: said that the chainsaw worked great, but it was a
Speaker 2: little difficult to use while chasing his neighbor through the yard.
Speaker 2: Wah wah, I'm glad that you think you're so fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2: I know it would have worked a bit better if
Speaker 2: he had been standing still, So I mean, he just
Speaker 2: one liners he has just Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been s Shannon.
Speaker 2: Professional bullshitter and part time comedian. In September of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: he had left a review for a pocket knife that
Speaker 2: said that he hadn't stabbed anyone with it yet yet,
Speaker 2: but he was still keeping the dream alive, and when
Speaker 2: he finally did stab someone, it would be with a
Speaker 2: quality pocket knife, such as the one that he commented on.
Speaker 2: Another review was left for a shovel, and this one
Speaker 2: contains a politically incorrect term for a little person. The
Speaker 2: review said that the shovel was being left in his
Speaker 2: car for when others needed to hide dead bodies and
Speaker 2: leave the full size shovel at home. Girl, Ugh, I
Speaker 2: mean barf. In fact, lastly, the review said, does not
Speaker 2: come with midget, which would have been nice. I mean,
Speaker 2: who leaves fucking reviews like yes, he's.
Speaker 3: Hysterical get number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean these reviews they're fucked up. But
Speaker 2: anyone with a dark and twisted sense of humor who
Speaker 2: doesn't know where their reviews come from may find these
Speaker 2: kind of funny. Yeah I'm not really chasing my neighbor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my chainsaw. So Todd had various ordinary items on his
Speaker 2: Amazon wishlists such as dog toys, music related items, electronics,
Speaker 2: and DVD sets for The Walking Dead. One review in
Speaker 2: particular is chilling once we get into what the item
Speaker 2: was used for. The review was for a certain padlock.
Speaker 2: The review said solid locks have five on shipping container.
Speaker 2: Won't stop them, but sure will slow them down till
Speaker 2: they're too old to care. Another review on the padlocks
Speaker 2: graced Amazon user's eyes as well by reciting a piece
Speaker 2: of the Eagles hit song Hotel California. You can check
Speaker 2: out any tiny light, but you can never leave. So
Speaker 2: why did Todd use five of these padlocks on a
Speaker 2: shipping container? Oh? Here we go. In May of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: Todd was doing well for himself financially, and he purchased
Speaker 2: a ninety five acre piece of land that is located
Speaker 2: near Woodruff, South Carolina. In August of twenty sixteen, Kayla
Speaker 2: Brown was kidnapped along with her boyfriend Charlie Carver. It
Speaker 2: was Labor Day weekend and the two were reported missing
Speaker 2: Shortly after they disappeared. Kayla and Charlie were hired by
Speaker 2: Todd to do some landscaping work from his more property,
Speaker 2: and this wasn't the first time that Kayla found herself
Speaker 2: on this proper. Since she had been there prior doing
Speaker 2: the same task, Cayla didn't think she had anything to
Speaker 2: worry about, but unfortunately this time. She went out to
Speaker 2: the property with her boyfriend Charlie, but Kayla would be
Speaker 2: the only one to make it out alive. When Kayla
Speaker 2: and Charlie got to the property, they greeted Todd like
Speaker 2: it was any other day, and then they walked inside
Speaker 2: the property and got hedge clippers, and then walked back
Speaker 2: outside to where the work needed to be done. When
Speaker 2: Todd came outside, he had a gun in his hands,
Speaker 2: and then he proceeded to shoot Charlie three times in
Speaker 2: the chest. Wow. After Charlie had just been shot dead
Speaker 2: in front of his girlfriend, Todd grabbed Kayla from behind,
Speaker 2: took her inside, threw her to the floor, and handcuffed her.
Speaker 2: On August twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, Claudia, That's Charlie's mother,
Speaker 2: received a one word response via text message to a
Speaker 2: text that she had sent her son. It was the
Speaker 2: last text that she had received from him. On August thirtieth,
Speaker 2: Leah Miller, Kayla's friend, spoke to her on the phone,
Speaker 2: Kayla was able to tell Lea that she was in Greenville,
Speaker 2: South Carolina and was on her way home. The following day,
Speaker 2: at six o six am, Kyla texted Leah asking her
Speaker 2: if she was awake, and when Leah responded several hours later,
Speaker 2: Kayla never responded. So for the first two months, Kayla
Speaker 2: was kept chained up like a dog inside a shipping container.
Speaker 2: He would let Kayla out once or twice a day,
Speaker 2: but it was only so that Todd could rape her.
Speaker 2: On one particular day, Kayla was walked around the ninety
Speaker 2: six acre property and was shown three graves. Kayla remembered
Speaker 2: that the graves yeah seemed to have people buried in them.
Speaker 2: When Kyla saw the graves, Todd told her that if
Speaker 2: she tried to escape, then she would go in to
Speaker 2: one of them. While Kayla was locked in, she did
Speaker 2: everything she could to distract herself. Todd had given her
Speaker 2: some books and DVDs. She was given two small dog
Speaker 2: beds to sleep on, and some crackers and peanut butter
Speaker 2: to survive on. Kayla, like many captives in the cases
Speaker 2: that we've covered, told Todd whatever he wanted to hear
Speaker 2: in order to stay alive right. Several days after Kayla
Speaker 2: and Charlie went out to the coal property, their families
Speaker 2: obviously had a hard time reaching them. Charlie's mother had
Speaker 2: not heard from him in a few days, and she
Speaker 2: began to grow more concerned about her son. Charlie had
Speaker 2: been working twelve hour ships in his job, and his
Speaker 2: mother just thought that he was sleeping after working long hours,
Speaker 2: But as more time passed since she had heard from him,
Speaker 2: she knew something was terribly wrong. Kayla's friends also began
Speaker 2: to worry about her, and while they hadn't been receiving
Speaker 2: back from her, oddly enough, through the radio silence, suspicious
Speaker 2: posts began popping on both Kayla and Charlie's Facebook pages.
Speaker 2: Both their relationship statuses were changed to married. They apparently
Speaker 2: purchased a home together, and the two were happy lovebirds
Speaker 2: living their best life. So okay. Even if the Facebook
Speaker 2: posts were true, why weren't Kayla and Charlie responding to
Speaker 2: any text messages? Right? The families of both Kayla and
Speaker 2: Charlie knew that these posts were fake. Charlie's mother went
Speaker 2: to the police station on September three to file a
Speaker 2: missing persons report so that she could get some answers.
Speaker 2: Before this, she had the landlord of Charlie and Kayla's
Speaker 2: apartment building open their apartment for her so that she
Speaker 2: could check in on them. The landlord told Claudia that
Speaker 2: the place looked as if nobody had been there for
Speaker 2: quite some time. His mother knew that he was most
Speaker 2: likely with Kayla, so the police be working quickly by
Speaker 2: getting sell and social media records from either one of
Speaker 2: their phones. On September fifth, Leah filed a missing person's
Speaker 2: report and she told the police that she had gone
Speaker 2: by the apartment and that Kayla's car, a black Chevy Cobalt,
Speaker 2: was parked out in front of the apartment complex. Kayla's dog, Romeo,
Speaker 2: was left in the apartment without food or water, and
Speaker 2: that was not like Kayla to leave her for a
Speaker 2: baby like this, and Kayla's family knew this when they
Speaker 2: went to the apartment to check on her after not
Speaker 2: hearing from her the last time Kayla's phone was active.
Speaker 2: It pains from a cell tower in the Spartanburg County area,
Speaker 2: but the location wasn't nearly as accurate as they had hoped.
Speaker 2: The police began to go digging in Kayla's Facebook account
Speaker 2: and noticed there were messages between her and Todd about
Speaker 2: doing more work on his property. Property location was within
Speaker 2: the area where her phone ping lied, so after seeing this,
Speaker 2: the police worked as fast as they could to obtain
Speaker 2: a search warrant. A group of officers made their way
Speaker 2: to Todd's large property on November three, twenty sixteen. Half
Speaker 2: of the group of officers stayed with Todd while the
Speaker 2: rest of them searched the property. While investigators were searching
Speaker 2: the grounds, they heard banging sounds that seemed to be
Speaker 2: coming from the large model shipping container. They were able
Speaker 2: to cut many padlocks off using bolt cutters and found
Speaker 2: Kayla inside with chains around her neck and ankles so
Speaker 2: that she was unable to escape. Not only was she
Speaker 2: found in the shipping container, she was inside of a
Speaker 2: cage that was inside of the large container. The cage
Speaker 2: was compared to a shark cage that divers go in
Speaker 2: when they go underwater. When police asked Kayla where her
Speaker 2: boyfriend Charlie was, she responded by saying that Todd shot him,
Speaker 2: and she used the full names of both and Charlie
Speaker 2: so that there was no miscommunication. Kayla then said that
Speaker 2: After Charlie was murdered, Todd wrapped his dead body in
Speaker 2: a blue tarp placed him in the bucket part of
Speaker 2: the tractor, and she had not seen him since she
Speaker 2: was locked in a shipping container. Upon further investigation of
Speaker 2: the property, Charlie's car was found. The car was spray
Speaker 2: painted brown and then dumped in the woods nearby. This
Speaker 2: was just the tip of the iceberg. Todd never thought
Speaker 2: that Kayla would ever get out of his property alive,
Speaker 2: so Tod thought that this was a great time for
Speaker 2: him to clear his conscious. He told her about all
Speaker 2: of the other crimes that he had committed, and this
Speaker 2: included the murders that nobody ever connected to him. Kayla
Speaker 2: told investigators m H that Todd told her that he
Speaker 2: had murdered almost one hundred people and that he wanted
Speaker 2: to kill a lot more since his dream was to
Speaker 2: kill enough people for his body count to be triple digits. Wow,
Speaker 2: a chilling deep I know this guy had a wolf
Speaker 2: right here in the blending in with society. A chilling
Speaker 2: detail of Kayla's captivity was that Tod told her that
Speaker 2: it was easier to control someone after taking the person
Speaker 2: they loved most. He told her that if she fought back,
Speaker 2: he would kill her without even a second thought. He
Speaker 2: really only needed her so that he could rape her.
Speaker 2: On top of all this, just a few months before
Speaker 2: Kayla and Charlie were kidnapped, Todd had hired a married
Speaker 2: couple to do similar work on his property. The married
Speaker 2: couple was Megan Coxy and her husband, Johnny Coxy. At
Speaker 2: the time of their murders, they were both twenty six
Speaker 2: years old. He immediately shot and killed Johnny in front
Speaker 2: of his wife, and then he raped Megan for a
Speaker 2: week straight before then shooting and killing her as well.
Speaker 2: Their bodies were buried in the graves that caw. Todd
Speaker 2: saw the married couple stranded on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: He picked them up and told them he had some
Speaker 2: work that they could do on his property to make
Speaker 2: a little bit of cash. Todd, in his confession said
Speaker 2: that Johnny pulled a knife out and he was immediately killed.
Speaker 2: Police say that this knife was never recovered and that
Speaker 2: Todd's story of events was completely fabricated. Megan was kept
Speaker 2: inside the shipping container, just like he had done with Kayla.
Speaker 2: Todd told detectives that the woman was happy as hell.
Speaker 2: For at least two days after he had just killed
Speaker 2: her husband right in front of her. She's happy for
Speaker 2: two days. When Megan tried to escape, she was shot
Speaker 2: in the back of the head. Many firearms were found
Speaker 2: on the coal hot property. Even though he was a
Speaker 2: convicted felon, Todd was able to get his hands on
Speaker 2: hundreds of guns and various types of ammunition. Kayla was
Speaker 2: taken to the hospital shortly after she was discovered on
Speaker 2: the coal hot property, and investigators made Kayla's family aware
Speaker 2: that she was alive and well. Leah Miller was able
Speaker 2: to confirm that Kayla had done some work on the
Speaker 2: coal property before she was kidnapped, and she cleaned houses
Speaker 2: and cleared houses for Todd before he put them on
Speaker 2: the market. On November fourth, heavy machinery was brought on
Speaker 2: to the more property that Todd owned. Cadaver dogs were
Speaker 2: also brought in since Todd told Kayla that there was
Speaker 2: a body hidden somewhere, and Kayla remembered this detail as
Speaker 2: she related to detectives. The body of Charlie was found
Speaker 2: around ten am that day in a shallow grave, but
Speaker 2: the body wasn't identified until the following day. Charlie's family
Speaker 2: considers him a hero in their eyes. They are so
Speaker 2: thankful that Charlie's death helped police with solving six other murders.
Speaker 2: Charlie was such a shining light in the lives of
Speaker 2: his family and friends. His mother said that her son
Speaker 2: is a hero that was taken away from them in
Speaker 2: the worst way, but he was able to bring closure
Speaker 2: to other families. That's really a beautiful and strong way
Speaker 2: to look at your first you know, as so beautifully
Speaker 2: and such an uglyness, you know. Todd was immediately arrested
Speaker 2: upon the discovery of Kayla. Locked up, and Todd did
Speaker 2: not seem to be worried at all. Before anything else happened,
Speaker 2: he asked for three things. He asked if a detective
Speaker 2: could take a special picture to his mom, to transfer
Speaker 2: money to help a daughter of his good friend so
Speaker 2: that she could go to college, and to call his mom.
Speaker 2: He was an arrogant son of a bitch. He told
Speaker 2: investigators he had been involved in the murders of seven people.
Speaker 2: The police began to look into these claims and made
Speaker 2: the most shocking discovery. Todd was actually connected to at
Speaker 2: least two cold and unsolved cases in the area in
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. He was the guy in the
Speaker 2: leather jacket that shot Scott, his mother, Beverly, Chris, and
Speaker 2: Brian at the Superbike Motor Sports store, and this case
Speaker 2: had gone unsolved for thirteen years. During the interrogation with
Speaker 2: the investigators, Todd was such a cocky fucking guy. On
Speaker 2: the most notorious quotes from his interview Todd saying, my
Speaker 2: golf game is weak, my kill game is strong.
Speaker 3: Dick.
Speaker 2: What a dick. He was so fucking proud of himself
Speaker 2: for taking innocent lives. He admitted to seven murders and
Speaker 2: went through each of the murders not missing a single detail.
Speaker 2: When he got into the room that he was taken
Speaker 2: too for his interrogation, he was so at ease with
Speaker 2: everything that transpired over the past thirteen years. He really
Speaker 2: put it on a show by telling all the gruesome
Speaker 2: details to anyone that would listen. He was a performer.
Speaker 2: Three bodies were found buried in shallow graves on his property.
Speaker 2: He was interrogated on the same day that Charlie's body
Speaker 2: was discovered. The detectives had no idea what they were
Speaker 2: in for. They had no idea of the magnitude of
Speaker 2: these murders. Todd started out by calling his land a sanctuary.
Speaker 2: A detective in the room told Todd that his property,
Speaker 2: surrounded by a chain link fence, was more likely a
Speaker 2: killing field. One detective in the room was focused on
Speaker 2: Kayla's case, and the other in the room was asking
Speaker 2: specifically about the four brutal murders at Superbikes. Tod told
Speaker 2: the detective that he took Keyla around the ground one
Speaker 2: day and displayed how proud he was of his property.
Speaker 2: The detectives would ask their questions and Todd would answer,
Speaker 2: and after the questions were answered, Todd would continue to
Speaker 2: talk and talk and talk. It was made clear to
Speaker 2: detectives that this would be a piece of cake for
Speaker 2: them to get all of the answers. Because Todd loved
Speaker 2: to hear himself talk. It's disgusting, oh, investigators would let
Speaker 2: him go on his many tangents, taking every word in.
Speaker 2: One detective asked Todd's thoughts on Kayla, and Todd nonchalantly
Speaker 2: replied that he really wrestled with the decision to drop
Speaker 2: her or keep her alive. So Todd compared the murder
Speaker 2: at Superbikes to a video game quote. Once I was engaged.
Speaker 2: I was engaged. There was no stopping him from carrying
Speaker 2: out this murder, killing every single person in the store
Speaker 2: that day. Todd took this interrogation as a chance for
Speaker 2: him to brag about his skills. Todd went on to
Speaker 2: say that he cleared that store in under thirty seconds
Speaker 2: and that the detectives would have been so proud of
Speaker 2: him and his marksmanship. Anytime he chose to load any
Speaker 2: of his weapons, and he had a shit ton, he
Speaker 2: would prepare the ammunition while he wore two pairs of
Speaker 2: gloves just in case the EMMA was chosen to be
Speaker 2: used in any sort of crimes. The ballistic teams never
Speaker 2: found any fingerprints on any of the bullets used. Todd
Speaker 2: never left any DNA at any of his crime scenes.
Speaker 2: Fingerprints were collected at some of the crime scenes, but
Speaker 2: not a single one led to police investigators. To him,
Speaker 2: the Superbike investigation would still be unsolved if he hadn't
Speaker 2: bragged about it. Any time he needed to open any doors,
Speaker 2: he would use his knuckles rather than his fingers to
Speaker 2: do so. He so smart, very yeah, long game thinking.
Speaker 2: The gun from the Superbike Slangs was never recovered, and
Speaker 2: that was a key detail that the police could never
Speaker 2: figure out. Detectives asked Todd about the handgun, and Todd
Speaker 2: told them that one part of the gun went into
Speaker 2: the trash bag filled with used cat litter, and then
Speaker 2: he threw the bag into the dumpsters in the apartment
Speaker 2: complex that he lived in at the time of the crime.
Speaker 2: The reasoning behind the four murders was because he claimed
Speaker 2: that the personnel working the store didn't treat him like
Speaker 2: a true customer and they knew that he wasn't really
Speaker 2: able to ride one of their bikes. Todd was on
Speaker 2: the list of customers from buying a bike in April
Speaker 2: of two thousand and three. That was the only piece
Speaker 2: of evidence linking Todd to the crime, but at the
Speaker 2: time he wasn't even thought to be connected to the murders.
Speaker 2: Two weeks after buying the Suzuki bike, he filed a
Speaker 2: police report with Spartanburg Police Department and said that the
Speaker 2: bike was stolen from his apartment complex. A few days
Speaker 2: before the bike was stolen, he had gone back to
Speaker 2: Superbikes and let the workers know that he was having
Speaker 2: a really hard time riding it and that he wasn't
Speaker 2: sure if buying the bike was the right decision. But
Speaker 2: before he started killing everyone in sight, he quote did
Speaker 2: his best to ensure that no customers were around. The
Speaker 2: last customer to see the four alive was the one
Speaker 2: who noticed Todd wearing the leather jacket. Kelly Silk was
Speaker 2: the customer's name, and he had cooperated with police for years,
Speaker 2: looking at hundreds of lineups trying to pick out the
Speaker 2: right guy. The sketch that was released to police really
Speaker 2: didn't look like Todd, so it was hard for anyone
Speaker 2: to actually figure out the connection with Todd. Finally, the
Speaker 2: families of the Ford murder found some sort of peace
Speaker 2: after Todd made his confessions. Now Todd's mother made a
Speaker 2: statement for all the families her son had her now
Speaker 2: this wow. She told the families that her son should
Speaker 2: not be looked upon as a bad person. He's such
Speaker 2: a great person. He only chained up Kayla because he
Speaker 2: didn't know what he wanted to do at that time.
Speaker 2: He chained her up because she would turn him in
Speaker 2: after she had just witnessed her boyfriend get murdered in
Speaker 2: front of her eyes. He didn't know what to do,
Speaker 2: so he hadn't chain her up. He brought her food
Speaker 2: and water and beverages. He brought her something to sleep on,
Speaker 2: but she wanted Kayla to know how sorry she is
Speaker 2: and how truly sorry her son probably is. Yeah, okay, yeah, mom,
Speaker 2: he didn't want to hurt her, He just didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, never mind, he raped her constantly.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna know yet because of the feeding and
Speaker 2: those dog backs.
Speaker 3: You know he fatter, right, he fatter?
Speaker 2: So right, Yeah, Charlie's mom is Yeah. Yeah, Todd's mom
Speaker 2: is such a fucking piece of work. I can't Well,
Speaker 2: he didn't want to hurt her, but he just didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do. Well, raping her is hurting her.
Speaker 2: You don't fucking get mm hmm. So in he you know,
Speaker 2: he murdered Charlie because he got smart mouthed with Todd. So,
Speaker 2: according to Todd's mother, if you get smart whalth with
Speaker 2: my son, yeah, you get three to the chests. So
Speaker 2: he murdered Charlie, yes, because of the smart mouth. And
Speaker 2: Todd had just hired him to do some stuff and
Speaker 2: to get paid handsibly for it. So Charlie getting mouthy
Speaker 2: with her son her good. He's such a great person,
Speaker 2: right right? Ugh? Kila as well as the families of
Speaker 2: the rest of Todd's victims still work every day to
Speaker 2: find peace. In May of twenty seventeen, Todd pleaded guilty
Speaker 2: to all seven murders, and he was convicted of every
Speaker 2: single one. As part of the plea deal, he was
Speaker 2: sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole,
Speaker 2: plus an additional sixty years for good measure. In December
Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen, Todd said that there were even more
Speaker 2: victims that had not been discovered, and he had also
Speaker 2: shot and killed at least one person in Arizona and
Speaker 2: Todd he is incarcerated at Broad River Correctional Institution in Columbia,
Speaker 2: South Carolina, and he will remain there for the rest
Speaker 2: of his miserable, fucking life.
Speaker 3: I hope so well be bevable.
Speaker 2: His mother just a They're just a whole family of kunts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People have a piece of shit son.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh he's too hard to raise. Let me get him in.
Speaker 2: So now everyone else is the problem from your fucking problem,
Speaker 2: this piece of shit human being that you're got. A. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is why after stories I have to like when
Speaker 2: we record, I like I'll go watch like date night
Speaker 2: because I got a yeah, I watch I gotta watch Tina,
Speaker 2: Tina Fey and Steve Carell. I have to watch something
Speaker 2: funny because this piece of shit.
Speaker 3: I know so dark. Well, thank you Shannon, Oh well Storry, Yes,
Speaker 3: my pleasure.
Speaker 2: It's quite and it's it's after two thousand, so it's
Speaker 2: in this century.
Speaker 3: In this century.
Speaker 2: I haven't been here in a minute. Oh, but it
Speaker 2: is my pleasure. I'm glad to bring it and thank.
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Speaker 2: All right, girlfriend, you take care of you and I
Speaker 2: love you so much.
Speaker 3: Love you too.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you, bye, girl, Fie