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<v Speaker 1>This episode ma contain content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a saying that January makes you feel every

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<v Speaker 2>single day of its month. I couldn't agree with that more.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt all thirty one days of this January as

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<v Speaker 2>it today, being the thirty first.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, January is like ten years long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can spend a year in January. January right,

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<v Speaker 2>every year. But yeah, so anyway, that's going good. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a good story for you. Oh what's

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<v Speaker 2>it about? Well, it is another serial killer actually in

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<v Speaker 2>this one, this guy, his reign of terror was in

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<v Speaker 2>after his birth date of March seventh, nineteen seventy one, Pisces.

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<v Speaker 2>But you would never guess he was a Pisces. Really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>serial killer Pisces not normal. Sad's Jerry all day?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Shannon, before we start, we better remind everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you got for us well? Today? Story

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<v Speaker 2>is about serial killer Todd Christopher cole he Again. He

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<v Speaker 2>was born on March seventh, nineteen seventy one his parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Regina and William Sampsell in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Now, his

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<v Speaker 2>parents' marriage was rocky from day one, and they divorced

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<v Speaker 2>when Todd was just a baby. Regina, who legally changed

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<v Speaker 2>her name back to her maiden name of Todd. She

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<v Speaker 2>kept Todd and she did not let William have any

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<v Speaker 2>contact with his son, so when Todd was about three

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<v Speaker 2>years old, Regina reburied to Carl Colehep, hence the Todd

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<v Speaker 2>cole Hep. And Carl was a man who would become

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<v Speaker 2>severely abusive towards Todd, but before that all started, Carl

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<v Speaker 2>legally adopted Todd in nineteen seventy six. Todd spent a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of his childhood living in Georgia and South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>and while he was growing up, Todd began to display

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<v Speaker 2>many frightening characteristics. Todd was known as a bully around school,

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<v Speaker 2>and he seemed to be quite proud of this fact.

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<v Speaker 2>He would destroy class projects of his classmates, personal property, animals,

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<v Speaker 2>and due to these actions, he was eventually put into

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<v Speaker 2>the Boy Scouts by his mom and stepfather, hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>this would straighten him out. Before being forced to join

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<v Speaker 2>the Boy Scouts, Todd killed his goldfish with bleach and

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<v Speaker 2>even hunted and shot a local dog with a baby gun. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when this reminds me of any serial killer, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you start killing animals at a young age. With

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<v Speaker 2>the goldfish, he had actually I think he wanted a

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<v Speaker 2>gerbil and his mom brought home a gold She was

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<v Speaker 2>like nope, and he poured bleach right into the bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the poor fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is harbinger of what's to come.

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<v Speaker 1>M M.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this would happen often. Todd seemed to be driven

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<v Speaker 2>by a lot of anger, and his home life really

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<v Speaker 2>fed in to this fact. Todd really had been angry

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<v Speaker 2>from the time he was able to walk and talk.

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<v Speaker 2>He enjoyed tormenting animals and harming others at an age

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<v Speaker 2>that should have been way too early to know about

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<v Speaker 2>such things. In nineteen eighty one, Todd was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 2>he was admitted to a mental hospital at night at

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<v Speaker 2>nine years old, the Behavior Evaluation Center at the Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>Mental Health Institute, and he was sent there as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of his mother not wanting to parents such a

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<v Speaker 2>troublesome child. According to the reports, at such a young age,

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<v Speaker 2>he was already so explosively violent and sexual thoughts and

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<v Speaker 2>impulses were already controlling his young mind. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say that this comes from somewhere. I don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cases where children are born with such negative,

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<v Speaker 2>dark behavior. It is because of the adults around them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will show up in the child.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've talked a lot nature versus nurture.

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<v Speaker 2>Nurture for sure. I think he is a good example

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Carl Todd's stepdad, he physically abused him, and

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<v Speaker 2>so did his own grandfather, who was known to beat

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<v Speaker 2>Todd his grandson with a cattle prod Because of the

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<v Speaker 2>ways he was being treated, Todd hated Carl with passion,

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<v Speaker 2>and all Todd wanted was to be able to go

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<v Speaker 2>live with his biological father, William. While in the mental hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>Todd went through years worth of counseling session and his

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<v Speaker 2>wish to live with his father finally came true. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, Todd's mother couldn't tolerate the abuse that

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<v Speaker 2>Carl was inflicting on her son, so Todd packed his

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<v Speaker 2>bags and went to go live with his father in Tempe, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>while Regina was in the process of getting a second divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>so Todd began living with his father at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of twelve. And even though Todd had experienced neglect while

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<v Speaker 2>living with his mother and stepfather, living with his biological

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<v Speaker 2>father was unfortunately no different. William had an intense obsession

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<v Speaker 2>with guns and had many girlfriends, but regardless, Todd really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed living with his father at first, but selfishness gott

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<v Speaker 2>in William's way to the point where Todd asked to

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<v Speaker 2>come back home to his mother, but his mother made

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<v Speaker 2>up excuses for why he couldn't come back home, and

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<v Speaker 2>Todd steed in Arizona was extended. William his jad spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times on dates with various women while

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<v Speaker 2>Todd was left home to fend for himself, so neglect

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<v Speaker 2>there too. Yeah, Todd was a very bright kid and

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<v Speaker 2>he was considered to have an above average IQ. And

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<v Speaker 2>with such high intelligence, he loved learning to make bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow and yeah, as with you do with this knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>and great IQ and rage. He loved learning how to

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<v Speaker 2>make bombs and learn how to blow things up while

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<v Speaker 2>with his father. He eventually became overcome with anger since

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't handle much more neglect and abuse from the

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<v Speaker 2>people that were supposed to keep him safe from harm,

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<v Speaker 2>so he committed his first recorded crime at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of fifteen. On November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, Todd

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<v Speaker 2>decided that he would kidnap and rape a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old girl. She was a neighbor who lived on the

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<v Speaker 2>same street as Todd and his dad, and while his

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<v Speaker 2>father was on another one of his many dates, Todd

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<v Speaker 2>took advantage of the alone time and lured the young

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<v Speaker 2>girl away from her house by telling her that her

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend wanted to speak with her outside. Once the girl

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<v Speaker 2>was outside, Todd led her to his house with a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two caliber revolver one, tied her up with rope,

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<v Speaker 2>duct taped her mouth shut, and raped her. And how

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<v Speaker 2>work is he he's fifteen? She's fourteen?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow incredible. Once Todd was finished with her, he walked

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<v Speaker 2>her back to her home and threatened that he would

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<v Speaker 2>kill her entire family if she reported him to the authorities. Wow. Incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of the threats, Todd was reported to the police

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<v Speaker 2>and was arrested within hours of the rape. While in

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<v Speaker 2>police custody, he was given a psyche valuation and was

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. This is nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, And how much do we know about any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mental thing? And none? Nothing? Right zero zero.

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<v Speaker 2>His evaluation showed signs of mental disturbance, but no psychosis.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew exactly what he was doing. He had an

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<v Speaker 2>IQ of one eighteen, and when asked why he raped

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<v Speaker 2>the young girl, he answered by saying that his reason

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<v Speaker 2>behind the rape was just because he was angry with

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<v Speaker 2>his dad and because Todd had a huge crush on

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<v Speaker 2>this girl. So I'm mad at my dad and I

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<v Speaker 2>really like this girl, so I violently rape her, violently

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<v Speaker 2>attack her. I can't even think of like a medical term,

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<v Speaker 2>just straight up dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, it's craziness.

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<v Speaker 2>It is now. The girl had crushes on a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of Todd's friends, but she had friend zone Todd, so

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't going to work for him. Todd ended up

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<v Speaker 2>taking a plea deal. If he pleaded guilty to everything,

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<v Speaker 2>then the sexual charges would be dropped. And that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. I feel like the justice system with all

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<v Speaker 2>of the sexual crimes that there are are committed by men,

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<v Speaker 2>that they really protect men in this all of the

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<v Speaker 2>sexual charges are dropped by guilty. So what is he

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<v Speaker 2>pleading guilty to? Yeah, he briefed her, you know, terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Todd's case went to trial and he was tried as

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<v Speaker 2>an adult. This judge assigned to his case found him

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<v Speaker 2>to be a very smart individual, but also really dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>and with that, he was sentenced to fifteen years in

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<v Speaker 2>an adult prison in October of nineteen eighty seven. He

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<v Speaker 2>served fourteen years and was released in two thousand and one. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>with his release, Todd was required to register as a

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<v Speaker 2>sex offender. This requirement followed him as he moved from

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona back to South Carolina. While in prison, Todd took

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<v Speaker 2>college courses and he earned himself a bachelor's degree in

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<v Speaker 2>computer science from the Central Arizona College. The first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that Todd did after his release was get his driver's license.

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<v Speaker 2>In January of two thousand and two, he began a

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<v Speaker 2>job with seven sons in company in Spartanburg, South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>and he worked as a graphics designer. He worked for

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<v Speaker 2>them until November two thousand and three before he became

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<v Speaker 2>a real estate agent, and he obtained these jobs using

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<v Speaker 2>an immensely padded resume. But things were really looking up

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<v Speaker 2>for Todd, so everybody thought. On November six, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and three, four bodies were found at a motorcycle shop,

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<v Speaker 2>Superbike Motorsports, in Chesney, South Carolina. The four victims of

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<v Speaker 2>this thoughtless crime were shop owner thirty year old Scott Ponder,

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's mother and bookkeeper fifty two year old Beverly, the

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<v Speaker 2>service manager twenty nine year old Brian Lucas, and the

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<v Speaker 2>mechanic twenty six year old Chris Sherbet. All four victims

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<v Speaker 2>were shot to death. Scott's friend Noel had spoken with

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<v Speaker 2>him as he was on his way to open up

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<v Speaker 2>the shop that morning. Noah was the one that discovered

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<v Speaker 2>the bodies not even ten minutes later. The crime really

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<v Speaker 2>shook up the small town of Chesney. The town was quiet,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was the first time that a quadruple homicide

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<v Speaker 2>had happened there. The oddest thing was that the murders

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<v Speaker 2>were carried out in broad daylight. Chris's body was found

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of the shop and he was found

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<v Speaker 2>bent over as if he was working on a bike.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian and Scott were found out in the front of

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<v Speaker 2>the store. Scott was found in the parking lot. Scott's mom, Beverly,

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<v Speaker 2>was found coming out of the bathroom. The way her

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<v Speaker 2>body was found looked as if she was ambushed right

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<v Speaker 2>as she was walking out of the bathroom. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>take long for the police to swarm the scene since

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<v Speaker 2>this was such a rare crime for the police department.

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<v Speaker 2>With everyone in shock, the police department got their first

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<v Speaker 2>promising tip shortly after. Pretty soon after the murders became public,

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<v Speaker 2>a witness called in a tip saying that they saw

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<v Speaker 2>a young man and a woman walking away from the

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<v Speaker 2>shop around the same time that the killings happened. The

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<v Speaker 2>police were able to identify the couple, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>really only treated as witnesses and were never linked to

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<v Speaker 2>the murder. Sketches of the man and woman were released

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<v Speaker 2>to the public and even more leads came flooding in.

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<v Speaker 2>One importantly came from one of the last people who

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<v Speaker 2>saw the victims. Alive. The Sheriff's office contacted the last

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<v Speaker 2>customer that the shop had that day and they were

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<v Speaker 2>very helpful to the investigation. The customer said that while

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<v Speaker 2>in a leather jacket. The customer remembered that the day

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<v Speaker 2>murders happened. The last customer was able to provide enough

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<v Speaker 2>Even when the sketch was released, nobody knew the customer.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a single person recognized the man seen in the

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<v Speaker 2>leather jacket, which is so weird. It's such a small town,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and very quiet. Originally, the investigation began with

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<v Speaker 2>very little information. Scott's inner circle was interviewed, but nobody

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<v Speaker 2>were stumped until they looked into Chris's background. Chris Sherbert

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<v Speaker 2>the murders being related to drugs. Information about Chris being

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<v Speaker 2>the first one shot started swirling. Scott's stepfather, Terry, made

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to attend a court hearing that following Monday, and

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<v Speaker 2>from what he had heard, he knew that Chris was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at some serious time behind bars for various drug

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<v Speaker 2>related crimes. The people that Chris was hanging around were

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<v Speaker 2>Terry said that maybe Chris was going to turn on

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<v Speaker 2>victims were thought to be just collateral damage. Everyone related

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<v Speaker 2>to Chris's drug case was interviewed, but this information led

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<v Speaker 2>to nothing, so for months the case remained stagnant. Over

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<v Speaker 2>a year went by before the investigators began viewing the

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<v Speaker 2>quadruple murder case from a different angle. Come to find out,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian was looking into buying a new house. His wife

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<v Speaker 2>had zero knowledge of this. He had looked at several houses.

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<v Speaker 2>But why was he going to surprise his wife? Why

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<v Speaker 2>would Brian be secretly looking at houses? Well, here's the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to these questions, Okay, buckle up. Scott's wife, Melissa

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<v Speaker 2>had just found out that she was expecting a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and after the baby was born, a DNA test was

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<v Speaker 2>taken from the baby's diaper. The DNA test result really

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<v Speaker 2>blew the lid off this investigation. Scott was not the

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<v Speaker 2>father Brian was. Were these murders the result of a

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<v Speaker 2>love triangle gone awry? The results of the DNA tests

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<v Speaker 2>were kept from Scott's wife, Melissa for a short time.

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<v Speaker 2>The baby was named Scotty Junior, and soon after little

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<v Speaker 2>Scotty was born, Melissa was ordered to come down to

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<v Speaker 2>the Sheriff's office before more questioning. She answered so many

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<v Speaker 2>questions already, so she thought this was just another routine

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<v Speaker 2>round of questioning. Once Melissa arrived, they took her to

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<v Speaker 2>a room and shut the door behind her. The investigators

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot more serious than they had been in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. The lead detective reminded Melissa that she was

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<v Speaker 2>just at the Sheriff's office about a month ago and

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<v Speaker 2>when she was their last she changed Scotty's diaper. The

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<v Speaker 2>detective then proceeded to let her know that they had

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<v Speaker 2>taken the diaper from the garbage to run DNA test

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and that her son's DNA did not match

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<v Speaker 2>up to Scott's. When Melissa heard this news, she was

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<v Speaker 2>immediately enraged and couldn't believe that the son that she

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<v Speaker 2>had just named Scotty Junior wasn't even Scott's. She demanded

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<v Speaker 2>to have a second DNA test taken, but the results

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<v Speaker 2>were the same. So Brian's mother, Lorraine, came forward and

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<v Speaker 2>told police that he was not completely happy in his marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks before the murders, Brian kind of lost his

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<v Speaker 2>shit on his wife right in front of his mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian and Lorraine were trying to have a conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>Brian's wife was giving Lorraine dirty looks, to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where Brian actually confronted his wife with his mother sitting

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<v Speaker 2>right there, and he told his wife that he needed

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<v Speaker 2>to treat his mother with respect. This comment started a

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<v Speaker 2>full blown confrontation as it would. All of this now

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense on why Brian was looking out for houses

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<v Speaker 2>on the last day that he was seen alive. Regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what the police told Scott's wife, she was adamant

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<v Speaker 2>that they truly had it wrong. Melissa told detectives that

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<v Speaker 2>her and Scott worked really hard to have that baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Melissa said that the only explanation was that they had

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<v Speaker 2>brought home the wrong baby. Was Okay, somewhere, someone has

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<v Speaker 2>my baby. This is a mix up. After she said that,

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<v Speaker 2>she said that if investigators wished to speak with her

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<v Speaker 2>from then on, they would have to go through her attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>She told them that she was leaving to head over

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<v Speaker 2>to her attorney's office to have her husband's body exhumed

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<v Speaker 2>so that she could have a DNA test done. After

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen months of constant scrutiny from the police, Melissa was

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<v Speaker 2>finally vindicated. There is an answer to all of this mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>The crime scene analyst labeled Brian's blood as Scott's and

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's blood as Brian's. Oh wow, right, I mean Jesus Alu.

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<v Speaker 2>The wrong names were put on the vials of the

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<v Speaker 2>blood that were collected at the crime scene. The whole

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<v Speaker 2>time that the investigators were watching Melissa, they could have

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<v Speaker 2>been looking at another possible suspect. So after all of

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<v Speaker 2>this bullshit, the case was cold for thirteen years. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>simple mislabeling. I can only imagine Melissa like we I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going for fertility treatments, yeah, and now you're

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<v Speaker 2>telling me you and then I'd be pissed that you

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<v Speaker 2>took my baby's DNA. Yeah, he'll do it with cigarettes

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. Yeah, And it all started with your poor labeling.

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<v Speaker 2>I know though, Yeah, right, come on now. In two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and four, Todd enrolled at the University of South

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina upstate to get his bachelor's degree in business, and

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<v Speaker 2>while there, many of Todd's professors viewed him as a

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<v Speaker 2>very intelligent student with an extremely bright future. Todd came

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<v Speaker 2>off as a very normal person, so he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to make friends easily. He was a professional bullshitter. When

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<v Speaker 2>news of Todd's crimes came out years down the line,

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<v Speaker 2>none of his college friends believed a word and they

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<v Speaker 2>were absolutely shocked. Really in two thousand and six, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to be a professional bullshitter, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's usually what's on the resume of people I've dated? No,

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<v Speaker 2>you can bullshit. Let's go to dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she Hanon's attracted to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all in. So in two thousand and six, he

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<v Speaker 2>had become a real estate agent and he bought a

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<v Speaker 2>home in more, South Carolina. Todd came off as a

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<v Speaker 2>very hard working man, and a lot of friends viewed

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<v Speaker 2>him as a tad creepy, but they couldn't really pinpoint

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<v Speaker 2>what made him creepy, so they put those feelings aside

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<v Speaker 2>and stayed friends with him regardless. The creepiness wasn't serious

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<v Speaker 2>enough for them to terminate their friendship. In March of

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, Todd received a private pilot's license

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<v Speaker 2>from the Federal Aviation Administration, and in May of that

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<v Speaker 2>same year, he applied to take the South Carolina Real

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<v Speaker 2>Estate Exam. But in order for him to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to take the exam, he had to explain why he

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<v Speaker 2>was convicted of kidnapping in nineteen eighty six. Not rape,

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<v Speaker 2>not you tying up and raping and threatening to kill,

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<v Speaker 2>just the kidnapping exactly. The formality is to protect both

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<v Speaker 2>the agent and the clients, as they are often in

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<v Speaker 2>one on one positions trying to make sales on properties.

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<v Speaker 2>As a part of the application process, everyone must acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>any past criminal history and then explain what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>happened and the description of the crimes to the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Labor Licensing and Regulation. With his application, Todd filed

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<v Speaker 2>a summary of the convictions that was over two pages long.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the absolute bullshit that he wrote. On paraphrasing,

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<v Speaker 2>he had been in a very heated argument with his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>They were both fifteen at the time of this argument.

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<v Speaker 2>He and his girlfriend terminated their relationship, then proceeded to

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<v Speaker 2>chase a dog afterwards, and then just returned home. The

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<v Speaker 2>police were called by the girl's parents since they were

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<v Speaker 2>concerned for her since they were not able to reach

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<v Speaker 2>her via telephone. The kidnapping charge was just because he

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<v Speaker 2>had a gun on his person. Yeah, and you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I had a gun. I'm fifteen, I'm carrying

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<v Speaker 2>and that he had told her not to move while

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<v Speaker 2>we talked this out, so that I was holding a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>I had told her not to move. Now I'm charged

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<v Speaker 2>as the kidnapper. I'm the victim. Yeah, mm hmm. So

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<v Speaker 2>the reasoning behind him carrying the gun was because he

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<v Speaker 2>was so concerned for his safety at the time since

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<v Speaker 2>the crime rate in Phoenix was so high. But all

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<v Speaker 2>in all, carrying a gun was just a stupid mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and kids make stupid mistakes all the time. My bad.

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<v Speaker 2>So after this bullshit explanation, he was still given his license.

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<v Speaker 2>Three weeks later. After obtaining his license, he opened his

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<v Speaker 2>own agency, the Tke Real Estate. He ran this business

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<v Speaker 2>from his home in more South Carolina. While Todd lived

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<v Speaker 2>his normal life, he created a wish list on Amazon

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<v Speaker 2>that had the title me and This list included a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of items that he wanted to leave reviews on,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was Tod's way of disclosing his private thoughts online.

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<v Speaker 2>One item in review left on Amazon was for a chainsaw.

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<v Speaker 2>The review was most likely taken as a joke from

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<v Speaker 2>someone who had a dark sense of humor. The review

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<v Speaker 2>said that the chainsaw worked great, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>little difficult to use while chasing his neighbor through the yard.

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<v Speaker 2>Wah wah, I'm glad that you think you're so fucking hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it would have worked a bit better if

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<v Speaker 2>he had been standing still, So I mean, he just

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<v Speaker 2>one liners he has just Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been s Shannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Professional bullshitter and part time comedian. In September of twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he had left a review for a pocket knife that

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<v Speaker 2>said that he hadn't stabbed anyone with it yet yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was still keeping the dream alive, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he finally did stab someone, it would be with a

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<v Speaker 2>quality pocket knife, such as the one that he commented on.

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<v Speaker 2>Another review was left for a shovel, and this one

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<v Speaker 2>contains a politically incorrect term for a little person. The

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<v Speaker 2>review said that the shovel was being left in his

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<v Speaker 2>car for when others needed to hide dead bodies and

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<v Speaker 2>leave the full size shovel at home. Girl, Ugh, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean barf. In fact, lastly, the review said, does not

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<v Speaker 2>come with midget, which would have been nice. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>who leaves fucking reviews like yes, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Hysterical get number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean these reviews they're fucked up. But

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<v Speaker 2>anyone with a dark and twisted sense of humor who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know where their reviews come from may find these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny. Yeah I'm not really chasing my neighbor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my chainsaw. So Todd had various ordinary items on his

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon wishlists such as dog toys, music related items, electronics,

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<v Speaker 2>and DVD sets for The Walking Dead. One review in

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<v Speaker 2>particular is chilling once we get into what the item

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<v Speaker 2>was used for. The review was for a certain padlock.

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<v Speaker 2>The review said solid locks have five on shipping container.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't stop them, but sure will slow them down till

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<v Speaker 2>they're too old to care. Another review on the padlocks

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<v Speaker 2>graced Amazon user's eyes as well by reciting a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of the Eagles hit song Hotel California. You can check

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<v Speaker 2>out any tiny light, but you can never leave. So

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<v Speaker 2>why did Todd use five of these padlocks on a

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<v Speaker 2>shipping container? Oh? Here we go. In May of twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Todd was doing well for himself financially, and he purchased

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<v Speaker 2>a ninety five acre piece of land that is located

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<v Speaker 2>near Woodruff, South Carolina. In August of twenty sixteen, Kayla

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<v Speaker 2>Brown was kidnapped along with her boyfriend Charlie Carver. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Labor Day weekend and the two were reported missing

422
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<v Speaker 2>Shortly after they disappeared. Kayla and Charlie were hired by

423
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Todd to do some landscaping work from his more property,

424
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<v Speaker 2>and this wasn't the first time that Kayla found herself

425
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>on this proper. Since she had been there prior doing

426
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the same task, Cayla didn't think she had anything to

427
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>worry about, but unfortunately this time. She went out to

428
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the property with her boyfriend Charlie, but Kayla would be

429
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<v Speaker 2>the only one to make it out alive. When Kayla

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<v Speaker 2>and Charlie got to the property, they greeted Todd like

431
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>it was any other day, and then they walked inside

432
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the property and got hedge clippers, and then walked back

433
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 2>outside to where the work needed to be done. When

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00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Todd came outside, he had a gun in his hands,

435
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<v Speaker 2>and then he proceeded to shoot Charlie three times in

436
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>the chest. Wow. After Charlie had just been shot dead

437
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 2>in front of his girlfriend, Todd grabbed Kayla from behind,

438
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>took her inside, threw her to the floor, and handcuffed her.

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<v Speaker 2>On August twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, Claudia, That's Charlie's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>received a one word response via text message to a

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<v Speaker 2>text that she had sent her son. It was the

442
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>last text that she had received from him. On August thirtieth,

443
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Leah Miller, Kayla's friend, spoke to her on the phone,

444
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Kayla was able to tell Lea that she was in Greenville,

445
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>South Carolina and was on her way home. The following day,

446
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>at six o six am, Kyla texted Leah asking her

447
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>if she was awake, and when Leah responded several hours later,

448
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Kayla never responded. So for the first two months, Kayla

449
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>was kept chained up like a dog inside a shipping container.

450
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>He would let Kayla out once or twice a day,

451
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>but it was only so that Todd could rape her.

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<v Speaker 2>On one particular day, Kayla was walked around the ninety

453
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<v Speaker 2>six acre property and was shown three graves. Kayla remembered

454
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<v Speaker 2>that the graves yeah seemed to have people buried in them.

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<v Speaker 2>When Kyla saw the graves, Todd told her that if

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<v Speaker 2>she tried to escape, then she would go in to

457
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 2>one of them. While Kayla was locked in, she did

458
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<v Speaker 2>everything she could to distract herself. Todd had given her

459
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>some books and DVDs. She was given two small dog

460
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 2>beds to sleep on, and some crackers and peanut butter

461
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to survive on. Kayla, like many captives in the cases

462
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 2>that we've covered, told Todd whatever he wanted to hear

463
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 2>in order to stay alive right. Several days after Kayla

464
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<v Speaker 2>and Charlie went out to the coal property, their families

465
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>obviously had a hard time reaching them. Charlie's mother had

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<v Speaker 2>not heard from him in a few days, and she

467
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 2>began to grow more concerned about her son. Charlie had

468
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 2>been working twelve hour ships in his job, and his

469
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>mother just thought that he was sleeping after working long hours,

470
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<v Speaker 2>But as more time passed since she had heard from him,

471
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>she knew something was terribly wrong. Kayla's friends also began

472
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 2>to worry about her, and while they hadn't been receiving

473
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>back from her, oddly enough, through the radio silence, suspicious

474
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>posts began popping on both Kayla and Charlie's Facebook pages.

475
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Both their relationship statuses were changed to married. They apparently

476
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>purchased a home together, and the two were happy lovebirds

477
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>living their best life. So okay. Even if the Facebook

478
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>posts were true, why weren't Kayla and Charlie responding to

479
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 2>any text messages? Right? The families of both Kayla and

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00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Charlie knew that these posts were fake. Charlie's mother went

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00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 2>to the police station on September three to file a

482
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>missing persons report so that she could get some answers.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Before this, she had the landlord of Charlie and Kayla's

484
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>apartment building open their apartment for her so that she

485
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>could check in on them. The landlord told Claudia that

486
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the place looked as if nobody had been there for

487
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>quite some time. His mother knew that he was most

488
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 2>likely with Kayla, so the police be working quickly by

489
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>getting sell and social media records from either one of

490
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>their phones. On September fifth, Leah filed a missing person's

491
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>report and she told the police that she had gone

492
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>by the apartment and that Kayla's car, a black Chevy Cobalt,

493
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>was parked out in front of the apartment complex. Kayla's dog, Romeo,

494
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 2>was left in the apartment without food or water, and

495
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 2>that was not like Kayla to leave her for a

496
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 2>baby like this, and Kayla's family knew this when they

497
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>went to the apartment to check on her after not

498
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>hearing from her the last time Kayla's phone was active.

499
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>It pains from a cell tower in the Spartanburg County area,

500
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 2>but the location wasn't nearly as accurate as they had hoped.

501
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>The police began to go digging in Kayla's Facebook account

502
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and noticed there were messages between her and Todd about

503
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 2>doing more work on his property. Property location was within

504
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the area where her phone ping lied, so after seeing this,

505
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 2>the police worked as fast as they could to obtain

506
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>a search warrant. A group of officers made their way

507
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 2>to Todd's large property on November three, twenty sixteen. Half

508
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 2>of the group of officers stayed with Todd while the

509
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>rest of them searched the property. While investigators were searching

510
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 2>the grounds, they heard banging sounds that seemed to be

511
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>coming from the large model shipping container. They were able

512
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.279
<v Speaker 2>to cut many padlocks off using bolt cutters and found

513
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Kayla inside with chains around her neck and ankles so

514
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 2>that she was unable to escape. Not only was she

515
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 2>found in the shipping container, she was inside of a

516
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>cage that was inside of the large container. The cage

517
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>was compared to a shark cage that divers go in

518
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>when they go underwater. When police asked Kayla where her

519
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend Charlie was, she responded by saying that Todd shot him,

520
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and she used the full names of both and Charlie

521
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 2>so that there was no miscommunication. Kayla then said that

522
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>After Charlie was murdered, Todd wrapped his dead body in

523
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a blue tarp placed him in the bucket part of

524
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.760
<v Speaker 2>the tractor, and she had not seen him since she

525
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 2>was locked in a shipping container. Upon further investigation of

526
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the property, Charlie's car was found. The car was spray

527
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>painted brown and then dumped in the woods nearby. This

528
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.440
<v Speaker 2>was just the tip of the iceberg. Todd never thought

529
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that Kayla would ever get out of his property alive,

530
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.079
<v Speaker 2>so Tod thought that this was a great time for

531
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 2>him to clear his conscious. He told her about all

532
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.599
<v Speaker 2>of the other crimes that he had committed, and this

533
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 2>included the murders that nobody ever connected to him. Kayla

534
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>told investigators m H that Todd told her that he

535
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>had murdered almost one hundred people and that he wanted

536
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>to kill a lot more since his dream was to

537
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 2>kill enough people for his body count to be triple digits. Wow,

538
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 2>a chilling deep I know this guy had a wolf

539
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>right here in the blending in with society. A chilling

540
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 2>detail of Kayla's captivity was that Tod told her that

541
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>it was easier to control someone after taking the person

542
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>they loved most. He told her that if she fought back,

543
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>he would kill her without even a second thought. He

544
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 2>really only needed her so that he could rape her.

545
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 2>On top of all this, just a few months before

546
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Kayla and Charlie were kidnapped, Todd had hired a married

547
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 2>couple to do similar work on his property. The married

548
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 2>couple was Megan Coxy and her husband, Johnny Coxy. At

549
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the time of their murders, they were both twenty six

550
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>years old. He immediately shot and killed Johnny in front

551
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 2>of his wife, and then he raped Megan for a

552
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>week straight before then shooting and killing her as well.

553
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Their bodies were buried in the graves that caw. Todd

554
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 2>saw the married couple stranded on the side of the road.

555
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>He picked them up and told them he had some

556
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>work that they could do on his property to make

557
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of cash. Todd, in his confession said

558
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 2>that Johnny pulled a knife out and he was immediately killed.

559
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Police say that this knife was never recovered and that

560
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Todd's story of events was completely fabricated. Megan was kept

561
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>inside the shipping container, just like he had done with Kayla.

562
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Todd told detectives that the woman was happy as hell.

563
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>For at least two days after he had just killed

564
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>her husband right in front of her. She's happy for

565
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 2>two days. When Megan tried to escape, she was shot

566
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>in the back of the head. Many firearms were found

567
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>on the coal hot property. Even though he was a

568
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>convicted felon, Todd was able to get his hands on

569
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of guns and various types of ammunition. Kayla was

570
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>taken to the hospital shortly after she was discovered on

571
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the coal hot property, and investigators made Kayla's family aware

572
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 2>that she was alive and well. Leah Miller was able

573
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>to confirm that Kayla had done some work on the

574
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>coal property before she was kidnapped, and she cleaned houses

575
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 2>and cleared houses for Todd before he put them on

576
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the market. On November fourth, heavy machinery was brought on

577
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.559
<v Speaker 2>to the more property that Todd owned. Cadaver dogs were

578
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>also brought in since Todd told Kayla that there was

579
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 2>a body hidden somewhere, and Kayla remembered this detail as

580
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 2>she related to detectives. The body of Charlie was found

581
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 2>around ten am that day in a shallow grave, but

582
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the body wasn't identified until the following day. Charlie's family

583
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>considers him a hero in their eyes. They are so

584
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 2>thankful that Charlie's death helped police with solving six other murders.

585
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Charlie was such a shining light in the lives of

586
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>his family and friends. His mother said that her son

587
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 2>is a hero that was taken away from them in

588
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the worst way, but he was able to bring closure

589
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to other families. That's really a beautiful and strong way

590
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>to look at your first you know, as so beautifully

591
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and such an uglyness, you know. Todd was immediately arrested

592
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 2>upon the discovery of Kayla. Locked up, and Todd did

593
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>not seem to be worried at all. Before anything else happened,

594
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>he asked for three things. He asked if a detective

595
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>could take a special picture to his mom, to transfer

596
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 2>money to help a daughter of his good friend so

597
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>that she could go to college, and to call his mom.

598
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>He was an arrogant son of a bitch. He told

599
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>investigators he had been involved in the murders of seven people.

600
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 2>The police began to look into these claims and made

601
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 2>the most shocking discovery. Todd was actually connected to at

602
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>least two cold and unsolved cases in the area in

603
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.599
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three. He was the guy in the

604
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>leather jacket that shot Scott, his mother, Beverly, Chris, and

605
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Brian at the Superbike Motor Sports store, and this case

606
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>had gone unsolved for thirteen years. During the interrogation with

607
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the investigators, Todd was such a cocky fucking guy. On

608
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the most notorious quotes from his interview Todd saying, my

609
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 2>golf game is weak, my kill game is strong.

610
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Dick.

611
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>What a dick. He was so fucking proud of himself

612
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>for taking innocent lives. He admitted to seven murders and

613
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>went through each of the murders not missing a single detail.

614
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>When he got into the room that he was taken

615
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>too for his interrogation, he was so at ease with

616
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>everything that transpired over the past thirteen years. He really

617
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 2>put it on a show by telling all the gruesome

618
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 2>details to anyone that would listen. He was a performer.

619
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Three bodies were found buried in shallow graves on his property.

620
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 2>He was interrogated on the same day that Charlie's body

621
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 2>was discovered. The detectives had no idea what they were

622
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>in for. They had no idea of the magnitude of

623
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>these murders. Todd started out by calling his land a sanctuary.

624
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>A detective in the room told Todd that his property,

625
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by a chain link fence, was more likely a

626
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>killing field. One detective in the room was focused on

627
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Kayla's case, and the other in the room was asking

628
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>specifically about the four brutal murders at Superbikes. Tod told

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<v Speaker 2>the detective that he took Keyla around the ground one

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<v Speaker 2>day and displayed how proud he was of his property.

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<v Speaker 2>The detectives would ask their questions and Todd would answer,

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<v Speaker 2>and after the questions were answered, Todd would continue to

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<v Speaker 2>talk and talk and talk. It was made clear to

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<v Speaker 2>detectives that this would be a piece of cake for

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<v Speaker 2>them to get all of the answers. Because Todd loved

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<v Speaker 2>to hear himself talk. It's disgusting, oh, investigators would let

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<v Speaker 2>him go on his many tangents, taking every word in.

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<v Speaker 2>One detective asked Todd's thoughts on Kayla, and Todd nonchalantly

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<v Speaker 2>replied that he really wrestled with the decision to drop

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<v Speaker 2>her or keep her alive. So Todd compared the murder

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<v Speaker 2>at Superbikes to a video game quote. Once I was engaged.

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<v Speaker 2>I was engaged. There was no stopping him from carrying

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<v Speaker 2>out this murder, killing every single person in the store

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<v Speaker 2>that day. Todd took this interrogation as a chance for

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<v Speaker 2>him to brag about his skills. Todd went on to

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<v Speaker 2>say that he cleared that store in under thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 2>and that the detectives would have been so proud of

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<v Speaker 2>him and his marksmanship. Anytime he chose to load any

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<v Speaker 2>of his weapons, and he had a shit ton, he

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<v Speaker 2>would prepare the ammunition while he wore two pairs of

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<v Speaker 2>gloves just in case the EMMA was chosen to be

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<v Speaker 2>used in any sort of crimes. The ballistic teams never

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<v Speaker 2>found any fingerprints on any of the bullets used. Todd

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<v Speaker 2>never left any DNA at any of his crime scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Fingerprints were collected at some of the crime scenes, but

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<v Speaker 2>not a single one led to police investigators. To him,

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<v Speaker 2>the Superbike investigation would still be unsolved if he hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>bragged about it. Any time he needed to open any doors,

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<v Speaker 2>he would use his knuckles rather than his fingers to

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<v Speaker 2>do so. He so smart, very yeah, long game thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>The gun from the Superbike Slangs was never recovered, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was a key detail that the police could never

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<v Speaker 2>figure out. Detectives asked Todd about the handgun, and Todd

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<v Speaker 2>told them that one part of the gun went into

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<v Speaker 2>the trash bag filled with used cat litter, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he threw the bag into the dumpsters in the apartment

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<v Speaker 2>complex that he lived in at the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>The reasoning behind the four murders was because he claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that the personnel working the store didn't treat him like

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<v Speaker 2>a true customer and they knew that he wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>able to ride one of their bikes. Todd was on

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<v Speaker 2>the list of customers from buying a bike in April

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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and three. That was the only piece

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence linking Todd to the crime, but at the

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00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>time he wasn't even thought to be connected to the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks after buying the Suzuki bike, he filed a

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<v Speaker 2>police report with Spartanburg Police Department and said that the

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<v Speaker 2>bike was stolen from his apartment complex. A few days

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<v Speaker 2>before the bike was stolen, he had gone back to

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<v Speaker 2>Superbikes and let the workers know that he was having

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<v Speaker 2>a really hard time riding it and that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>sure if buying the bike was the right decision. But

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<v Speaker 2>before he started killing everyone in sight, he quote did

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<v Speaker 2>his best to ensure that no customers were around. The

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<v Speaker 2>last customer to see the four alive was the one

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<v Speaker 2>who noticed Todd wearing the leather jacket. Kelly Silk was

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<v Speaker 2>the customer's name, and he had cooperated with police for years,

688
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<v Speaker 2>looking at hundreds of lineups trying to pick out the

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<v Speaker 2>right guy. The sketch that was released to police really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look like Todd, so it was hard for anyone

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<v Speaker 2>to actually figure out the connection with Todd. Finally, the

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<v Speaker 2>families of the Ford murder found some sort of peace

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<v Speaker 2>after Todd made his confessions. Now Todd's mother made a

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<v Speaker 2>statement for all the families her son had her now

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<v Speaker 2>this wow. She told the families that her son should

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<v Speaker 2>not be looked upon as a bad person. He's such

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<v Speaker 2>a great person. He only chained up Kayla because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what he wanted to do at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>He chained her up because she would turn him in

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<v Speaker 2>after she had just witnessed her boyfriend get murdered in

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<v Speaker 2>front of her eyes. He didn't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>so he hadn't chain her up. He brought her food

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<v Speaker 2>and water and beverages. He brought her something to sleep on,

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<v Speaker 2>but she wanted Kayla to know how sorry she is

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<v Speaker 2>and how truly sorry her son probably is. Yeah, okay, yeah, mom,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to hurt her, He just didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, never mind, he raped her constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna know yet because of the feeding and

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<v Speaker 2>those dog backs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know he fatter, right, he fatter?

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<v Speaker 2>So right, Yeah, Charlie's mom is Yeah. Yeah, Todd's mom

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<v Speaker 2>is such a fucking piece of work. I can't Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to hurt her, but he just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do. Well, raping her is hurting her.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't fucking get mm hmm. So in he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he murdered Charlie because he got smart mouthed with Todd. So,

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<v Speaker 2>according to Todd's mother, if you get smart whalth with

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<v Speaker 2>my son, yeah, you get three to the chests. So

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<v Speaker 2>he murdered Charlie, yes, because of the smart mouth. And

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<v Speaker 2>Todd had just hired him to do some stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>to get paid handsibly for it. So Charlie getting mouthy

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<v Speaker 2>with her son her good. He's such a great person,

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<v Speaker 2>right right? Ugh? Kila as well as the families of

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00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 2>the rest of Todd's victims still work every day to

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<v Speaker 2>find peace. In May of twenty seventeen, Todd pleaded guilty

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<v Speaker 2>to all seven murders, and he was convicted of every

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<v Speaker 2>single one. As part of the plea deal, he was

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole,

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<v Speaker 2>plus an additional sixty years for good measure. In December

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty seventeen, Todd said that there were even more

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<v Speaker 2>victims that had not been discovered, and he had also

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<v Speaker 2>shot and killed at least one person in Arizona and

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<v Speaker 2>Todd he is incarcerated at Broad River Correctional Institution in Columbia,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina, and he will remain there for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of his miserable, fucking life.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so well be bevable.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother just a They're just a whole family of kunts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>People have a piece of shit son.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's too hard to raise. Let me get him in.

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<v Speaker 2>So now everyone else is the problem from your fucking problem,

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00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 2>this piece of shit human being that you're got. A. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is why after stories I have to like when

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<v Speaker 2>we record, I like I'll go watch like date night

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00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 2>because I got a yeah, I watch I gotta watch Tina,

748
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Tina Fey and Steve Carell. I have to watch something

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00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>funny because this piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>I know so dark. Well, thank you Shannon, Oh well Storry, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite and it's it's after two thousand, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>in this century.

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<v Speaker 3>In this century.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been here in a minute. Oh, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is my pleasure. I'm glad to bring it and thank.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's everything. So until our next episode, Channon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, girlfriend, you take care of you and I

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<v Speaker 2>love you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk to you, bye, girl, Fie