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Softcore History, we are talking about a woman who made history,
although she might not have been so wild about the
way she made the history. In the coming months, you're
gonna hear a lot about how Jadvance's wife is probably
the first woman of color to be the second Lady. However,
there was a vice President before JD. Vance who was
married to a non white woman. Unfortunately, that story is
a little bit bleaker, and we are here to talk
about it today. The ninth Vice President of the United States,
Richard Johnson and his wife Julia Chin.
Speaker 2: Welcome to soft Core History.
Speaker 1: What is up. Welcome back to soft core History. I
am your host for the week, Rob Fox. I am
joined as always by Dan Jester, who's up there doing
some production work right now, and Scottie too hot a
little b hey.
Speaker 3: It's could be back. Guys, appreciate the invite. Always fun,
always glorious to have you. Hi, Scott showing off legs.
Speaker 1: I just noticed your I know of your infamous leg tat,
but I just noticed your Bucky's leg tat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a mullet on it. Evan my mustache,
Oh my god. And you have the womping willow too.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking nerd. Thanks dude. I have
a Lord of the Rings tattoo.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Dandy, did you even have any idea
what that tattoo? He was over there?
Speaker 2: He's got a mermaid.
Speaker 1: I see the willow.
Speaker 2: That's from Harry Potter. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Damn the car that is a deep cut. Yeah, it's
from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. It's the
second one. Now, I'm more familiar with the womping willow
from the third one when they have to go through
it to get to the shrieking shack where Serious Black
has been hiding and remiss Lupin has been ringing stuff.
But you know what, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk out. I was impressive.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I'm following everything you're saying
right now. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I've only read those books once. I like them a lot,
but I only read them once. My wife will like
reread them a lot, and I'll just like remember things
that she won't. We'll get very angry, and I'm like, baby,
that's just a man brain, which means I will not
remember to feed the children, but I will remember the
randomst dumb.
Speaker 3: Shit underneath the womping willow yep, yeah, and all the
characters that were there.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's man brain. I think it's just
ADHD brain.
Speaker 1: Also that that's probably what it really is, is my
ADHD brain. I'll be like I can remember any time
and date, and then the Mike children are just like,
I'm like, oh, you need a food.
Speaker 3: I think you were the first person to ever tell
me that I have ADHD. Because I was talking about
how I read books while listening to podcasts. I go,
that's ADHD, and I go I never thought that it was.
I thought it was like a normal thing.
Speaker 1: That's just fucked up, is what that?
Speaker 2: And now I think I have it, But I think
you ascend it to a higher content.
Speaker 3: I never knew I did.
Speaker 1: That might not be adhd, that might be just you're
a savant. Like I'm not a savant. I'm just like
my brain works a certain way and it either makes
me look very stupid or very smart, depending upon the circumstance.
I like that, Yeah, Like it's I can pull a
fact out and someone's like, I want to beef smart,
but it's really just like, no, it's just the shit
that rattles around in here. It's not it's not intelligence.
But yeah, today we have a fun topic. Uh So.
But even though this content's evergreen, this is a little
bit topical in that Donald Trump just won his second
term and will be the next president of the United
States and his vice president this time around will be JD.
Vance And some might say that JD. Vance in a
way will be making history, or rather that his wife
will be as the first ever non white second lady,
unless you want to count dug him off being Jewish.
Speaker 2: Well he's a man.
Speaker 1: Well, so just same diff he is the first ever
second gentleman. M yeah, yeah, yeah. But even though Usha
Vance will be the first ever non white second lady,
she is not the first ever non white woman married
to a vice president because one of our nations former
vice presidents was married to his slave.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, so fun topic tonight. Jefferson never married. Nope.
Speaker 1: Oh you've never heard of this guy. No fucking way
in hell you know I'm.
Speaker 2: About to talk. Is it like Buchanan's VP.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's Van Buren's VP. So yeah, you don't fucking
know who this guy is, which is ironic and should
be a good lesson. And we'll get into it because
at the time this man was extremely famous, like one
of the most famous people in America for a long
time or for his life in his lifetime, I should say,
and we'll get into why.
Speaker 2: But and the lesson learned. Nobody will remember.
Speaker 1: You one, no one will remember you. If this man
isn't getting remembered, your sure as shit fucking not. I'm
actually going to go into like it'll actually blow your
mind a little bit when I give the why he
was famous. But we'll get to that. So today we're
talking about the ninth Vice President of the United States,
Richard Mentor Johnson. Oh of course, yeah, yeah, Dick Mentor
Uh and his wife whom he owned, Juliet Chin.
Speaker 2: So Asian slave. What Asian slave?
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, we'll get to that. We'll get to her ethnicity.
Speaker 2: Oh uh felt potentially Chinese.
Speaker 3: I did know a guy in elementary school when I
went to his birthday party, uh, and his name was
Harry Chin. And I never knew how funny that was
until I was like telling the story, like ten years later.
I went to his birthday party when took this Lakers
game with my buddy named Harry Harry Chin, Like, his
fucking name is Harry Chin.
Speaker 1: Parent would do that, and I go, oh my god.
Speaker 3: He was my best friend all through like elementary school,
and I never put two and two together.
Speaker 2: His name was that.
Speaker 1: He can't do that with any if you have a
last name, that's like a thing. It was. I mean,
like even Harry Fox would sound weird.
Speaker 3: His guest house was like three times the size of mine.
It was very impressive, sound like a great friend to have.
Speaker 2: It was dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a guest house that's prime drinking real estate too.
When you're in high school.
Speaker 3: And Chip it wasn't high school, but yeah, I mean
it would have been great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: When you're knock coming back.
Speaker 3: In fifth grade, dude, we had what Caprice sons and yeah, well,
I mean that's still prime real estate left alone by
the parents, exactly what we played like Nintendo A nice?
Speaker 2: Do you drink your Caprice Son's the cool way? What
is like? Tear the corner and upside down? Stick to
straw in? No, who does that? Cool kids? Obviously?
Speaker 1: No, that's what you really got to do is shotgun it.
You take it over your head, open your mouth as
wide as you can.
Speaker 2: And just also never done that, which you can do
at the bar green Light Social in Austin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bar here that does adult capri sons. WHOA,
yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2: I still drink him the cool Way?
Speaker 1: Do you can turn upside down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where all the alcohol is, so you get
drunk faster.
Speaker 2: All the alcohols in the bottom.
Speaker 1: So Johnson was Martin Van Buren's vice president from eighteen
thirty seven to eighteen forty one. But technically Julia Chin
was not the first non white first Lady because she
had already died of cholera in eighteen thirty three.
Speaker 2: However, it'd be like that sometimes, and do be like
that sometimes.
Speaker 1: She was married to Johnson, So let's get into his
and Julia's lives first. Julia Chin was born in Scott County, Kentucky,
to a woman owned by the Johnson family. So she
was owned by Vice President Johnson's father. Born into that.
Speaker 2: They found love in a hopeless place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kind of. If you'll recall about Sally Hemmings,
I forget what the episode the context of it was,
and I don't remember who our guest was, but Sally
Having's Thomas Jefferson's slave lover, whatever you want to call it.
She was known. She was what's known as a quadroon.
Remember that she was like a fourth black, she was
only one fourth black. Wow, there's a term for that quadroon,
and we liked, I like to say that we need
to bring that back. But for anyone who claims they're like, oh,
I'm Irish, but you're like a fourth Irish, you like
fucking Irish quadroon, you're not read that's me.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a Mexican quadroon.
Speaker 3: I always grew up like I'm fucking something Irish.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh well it was awesome you have some.
I'm guarantee there's some in you. But like being like yo,
I'm like me, like, oh I'm Irish.
Speaker 2: I'm probably like thirty to.
Speaker 1: Six, like thirty to fifty percent Irish. Fifty is a
huge a. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But you get to claim whatever you want these days,
I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Take a twenty three and me test if you at
one percent Portuguese, claim.
Speaker 1: It baoom, claim the darkest thing you got.
Speaker 2: So that said, it's not cooth. But the term melatto
that means half.
Speaker 1: I think, so I forget. I look up the definition
of that. Yeah, it's not really Uh, it's.
Speaker 2: Not something you should really like. Half ice cream half water.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: Now. Neapolitan ice cream is a three flavors.
Speaker 1: That's when you're part black, part Indian, and part white. Yeah. Oh,
Actually a person who's three quarters black and one quarter
European is called a griff. So interesting, boy, I just
found a lot of racist definitions on Google. Sweet. But
so Hemmings was three fourths white because Jefferson's family had
been putting it to her family, I guess for a generations. Yeah,
so Juliet Julia Chin Sally Hemings was a quadroon Julia Chan,
it turns out, was an octo run so an eighth
she was only one eighth black. So let me just
say this clearly, this was a white slave. She was
seven eighth white. This is just a white slave.
Speaker 2: What gave it away? The dreads like how did they
even know?
Speaker 1: Just because they knew that, like like literally like people
kept having sex, raping, I don't know her fucking ancestors
to the point where she was just fucking white.
Speaker 2: She had a slight tan. Yeah, literally, you would.
Speaker 1: Never know, would There's no way you would ever know
what eighth what eighth this is?
Speaker 2: White's white? Does that even get you a scholarship at
college these days?
Speaker 1: No? And the crazy thing is, but she was born
to a slave, right, Like, she was born to a quadroon,
and so they just knew. They were like, oh, yeah,
you got a little bit of black. And then and
then like so she her mom was three fourths white
but a slave and owned and a white guy, uh
fucked her and she had a baby that was only
one a blacked.
Speaker 3: But also I guess it's not fair to just have
her be free whenevery other slave is not when they're born,
Like that would be that woul might cause some you
know issues, and also.
Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna give away free things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I might as well keep her. Yeah, she
certainly doesn't have the N word pass no, no, no,
one eighth, so she has to be a slave, but
she can't say say the end.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think if you are a slave, no matter
what your complexion, and you get to say the N word,
I think that's probably fair. But this, as soon as
I read that, I was just like, I mean, that's
a that's a white lady. That's just a white lady
that's owned because her great grandpa was black.
Speaker 2: Ya. But she married a VP sort of we'll get
to that.
Speaker 1: So she was born sometime between seventeen ninety and seventeen
ninety seven, the exact date of birth is unknown, and
she was raised and educated out on the Johnson property
by Richard Johnson's mother, Jemima Johnson.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's the same family that owned her.
Speaker 1: So he married his own slave.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's weird. Is that weirder than not?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's less complicated. I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did they have any connection to the Syrup family.
Speaker 1: You know, I think Jemima just used to be a name.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was high society, high society.
Speaker 1: It's actually a Hebrew in origin name means dove.
Speaker 2: So every time you put that on your waffles, dove
syrup doves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dov syrup, damn it. Sometimes you can get a chart,
like a graph of baby names, like how common usage
it is over time. But yeah, it hasn't been in
the top one thousand names used in the United States
since eighteen ninety three, but it used to be pretty common.
Jemima was used a lot by the Puritans, So there's
a lot of key magic. You're just like walking around
Plymouth Rock and soone's just like Jemima, good, goodie, Jemima,
come to me and greet me on this blessed morning.
You're like, what I thought everyone's gonna be named like
Sally or Sarah or something. Anyway. Johnson meanwhile was born
He was a little older. He was ten years older
than her. He was born October seventeenth, seventeen eighty. They
wrote his birthday down, you know, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's why they're like, ah, she could be
born within this seven years span.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was actually the first Native Kentuckian to be
elected to the state's legislator. Everyone else was and this
happened in eighteen oh four. Everyone else was from somewhere else.
He was a Democratic Republican, same party as Jefferson, and
he was very much a populist, known as a champion
of the people, champion of the common man. And throughout
his political career he was really like against federal courts,
didn't like their jurisdiction and all that stuff. Kind of
like today would be almost like I don't want to
go as far as like Rand Paul, but like certainly
conservative and on the leaning libertarian, I would say to
an extent. He was also though like pro war and stuff.
He was a good part He towed the party line
though too. He'll vote he would vote whatever the party
needed to vote him. In eighteen oh six, he was
elected to the US House of Representatives and was the
first Native Kentucky and elected to Congress as well. War
was declared against Britain in June eighth, eighteen twelve, and
Johnson voted in favor of going to war with Britain,
and he went to fight in that war. This is
how he became famous. He was a cavalry officer, went
back to Kentucky, recruited a whole battalion, and became colonel
once it was combined with another unit or whatever, and yeah,
became a whole became a colonel of that unit, and
then actually served under President William Henry Harrison. He was
his general. He was a direct overlooking general.
Speaker 2: If you're involved in the War of eighteen twelve, I
don't know if you own it.
Speaker 1: Why first off, pushed up. We want I don't want.
I want to hear it.
Speaker 2: They burnt down the White House, dude, all right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a house.
Speaker 2: We don't need it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we won the American Revolution and the British in
the American Revolution captured our capital like nine times. We
just kept moving it.
Speaker 2: That's why. That's why we moved the capitol.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 1: In the Revolution. We were like, Philadelphia is our capital. They
fucking take Philadelphia. We're like, fuck, new York is our capital,
they take New York. Boston's our capital. Like, we just
kept moving it all the time.
Speaker 2: So then we put it in a swamp then we have.
Speaker 1: They were like, no, it'll want to take this place,
They'll just go around it. So he goes to fight
in the War of eighteen twelve and he sees serious action,
including and especially at the Battle of the Thames, which
is one of the most famous battles in the War
of eighteen twelve. The Battle of the Americans win and
the reason he gets famous is because of what he
does in this battle, in the Battle of the Tames.
So obviously we know that in the War of eighteen
twelve it was the Americans against the British. However, the
British had allies in the form of Native Americans. Native Americans,
we're doing a lot of bothering to the US. They
were hoping if they win the war, they'll take land
back from the Americans, maybe like stop the Americans cold
in their track, the westward expansion and all that stuff.
So there was Native confederacies, Indian confederacies, Indian allyships with
the British that were fighting against the Americans in the
War of eighteen twelve. And the most infamous leader of
those Indians, the guy, the mastermind, the one everyone feared,
the fucking just the guy, the fucking quarterback of these
people was Tukumpsa.
Speaker 2: Whoa, Yeah you know Tsa, We all know him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's dope, yeah, war great warrior, brilliant, strategic mind like,
and a real fucking problem for the Americans in the
War of eighteen twelve. Obviously, he's fighting because he knows.
He's like, this country's not gonna stop going west. We
gotta fucking do anything we can. Slee lies with the
British and all that stuff to Tecumsa is killed at
the Battle of the Thames.
Speaker 2: Good he picked the wrong side. Did you imagine that
meeting between the British and the Natives?
Speaker 1: They gotta you gotta think that the Indians are eating
a lot of shit at that meeting where they're just
like they're just got to grin and bird like whatever
it takes to stop these fucking Americans. Just just just Ticumsa,
just calm down, just calm down to COMSA, letn't call
your service. It's fucking fine. Yeah, it's probably not fun.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but I
have a friend who's like full on Native and his
name is Earth Grasper, And I asked him, you know why,
as a kid he used to put dirt in his pockets,
and so his dad, instead of calling him dirt pocket,
was earth Grasper. That's a cool way to like have
a name. I just liked putting dirt in my pockets
of my pants.
Speaker 1: That is definitely a fucking name. Jesus that I I
don't even know.
Speaker 3: Sounds a lot cooler than yeah, dirt pockets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dirt pocket, it's dirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dirt pockets were earthworm. Yeah right, No, he grasped
the earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, grasp of the earth does sound epic instead of like,
oh yeah, he just played in the dirty until he
tells you how he got that name and filthy child,
all right, yeah, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So to kumps up, Comsa, have you ever fired a kanon?
Speaker 1: Do you know what this is?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: He's just like, oh my god, uh, Sokumsa killed at
this battle? Like I said, we don't know who the
fuck this vice president is. Never heard his name, but
I had not heard his name before a couple of
days ago when I found this topic. He killed Takumsa
whoa with his bare hands with a gun.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure hopefully it's a lot easier with the gun. Yeah,
Tomsa's tomahawk.
Speaker 1: It was just Mel Gibson style. Yeah, just fucking I
like that scene in The Patriot when he's like chopping
that guy up and.
Speaker 2: Then his son is just staring at him.
Speaker 3: Oh Dad, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all just like all right, Oh I've never
seen that before. Yeah, holy yeah, this is like the equivalent.
The only thing I can think of is like, this
is like the equivalent of killing Bin Laden. Yeah, this
is the eighteen twelve equivalent of fucking killing Osama bin
Laden and this guy.
Speaker 2: So imagine we're really putting some stink on Takumpsa there.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, as far as the Americans were concerned,
I get to kamsa nobler cause then I'm sure he
was still an asshole, but nobler cause than beIN Lotten.
Speaker 2: They're calling him a terrorist.
Speaker 1: He used terrorist tactics. I don't blame him necessarily. I
guess at the time it's accurate, yes, for the for
the country that's that kind of tracks. And so imagine
the guy who kills Bin Laden and Rob O'Neil, I
guess goes on to become Vice President of the United States,
like huge name at the time, like everyone would know
his fucking name.
Speaker 2: That could still happen, you know, yeah, I could, honestly.
Speaker 1: But like everyone knows, everyone knows who's blah blah blah
at the time. This is how Johnson was. Everyone knew
who this guy was.
Speaker 3: One of the heroes of.
Speaker 1: Eighteen twelve, fucking killed one of the biggest villains in
the war in fucking battle. And I was explain how
in a second, and we don't know who he is.
Speaker 2: We never heard of this guy.
Speaker 1: No one will remember you. You're it's a hopeless endeavor.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's it's a hard pronunciation, so it
sticks out.
Speaker 1: Honestly, not even the most famous to come so in
American history, because William to comes to Sherman absolutely dunks
on him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sherman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even close.
Speaker 2: Do you think his middle name is literally after I
believe it is, Yeah, this warrior, I believe it is.
That's sick. I mean, Sherman's the man.
Speaker 1: Oh Sherman rocks. So in the battle, they were trying
to break the Native lines and Johnson ordered Colonel Johnson
orders a He gathers together twenty men in what was
called a suicide squad, and their job was to just
charge and draw the Indians fire because they had rifled
or muskets or whatever, so that the arrest so that
the rest of the unit could attack while the Indians reloaded.
So their job was to just charge, take the volley,
and then the other rest of the unit can move.
Speaker 3: You just hope they get there fast enough and they're
not sleeping.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Johnson turned to his boys and he goes,
I think we're some kind of suicide.
Speaker 1: Squad pretty much, except he organized.
Speaker 3: What an awful fucking movie, right, But yeah, both both
I don't even see or even is there three of
them now?
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: No, it's two plus birds of Prey, which is with
just Harley Quinn and a bunch of pointless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm good on that. I believe Will Smith
drops that line. Yeah yeah, actually, yeah, sounds right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Johnson and twenty men charge the Indian lines,
fifteen of them die yep, sounds right, yeah, and the
rest of them get stunk, get stuck in the swampy
ground they had to charge through. So now they're just
stuck in front of the Indians fifteen or dead, and
they just got to wait for the rest of the
unit to get up there to break the lines. Whatever.
Don't they get hacked to pieces pretty much. Johnson himself
has shot five times in the attack, all right, and
he did a he and he was on horseback too,
so he was standing out.
Speaker 3: Dude, No one thinks about terrain, Like when you watch
a cool war movie, they're like running through doing cool stuff.
You're wearing a bunch of pounds of things. Everyone's eating
shit every like five steps.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, we're just.
Speaker 2: Miserable, Like this isn't fun.
Speaker 3: You're just falling over a branch, a root, a hole
in the ground, Like it's not pretty. Running through the
world to go flanking enemy is like.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like the first scene of Saving Ryan
kind of nailed that. Yeah, they're constantly just like running
and falling down and running and falling down.
Speaker 2: The door opens and they just get domed.
Speaker 3: It's gnarmally. And then you were stepping over your buddy. Sorry, dude,
I met you a couple of days ago on this
boat show.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're like, man, I wish I hadn't paid him
the money I lost in poker yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're like stepping over the bodies. It's it's
never this clean cut, push assault, do the thing. It's gorgeous.
I felt almost every single time, just eight shit. I
even busted my lip on my machine gun. I fell
onto it and I was just bleeding on a sixty. No,
I had an M two four nine. It's like the
new single person machine gun. I carried all the mum myself.
You know, you know it's not a gun team. Okay,
I was a part of a rifle team.
Speaker 2: That thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, it's sweet. So it kind of looks like
an M sixty, yeah exactly, but it's like lighter. Do
you also have the crew served machine guns? Right, have
like you know, the gunner, the assistant gunner, and the ammobearer, right,
it's like three guys on a tripod. Yeah, but that
just takes the role of the automatic gun or in
a team. That's sweet, sick, but it's so fucking heavy. Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why when I first, you know, when
you sprint, you're you run low and you're forward. You
can't do that when you have a twenty one pound gun.
The weight just takes you forward. So I took three
steps when the same thing the ramp drop took three steps,
just ate it. My buddy's like low pass and he
like drags me. I'm like I just felt it. I'm fine,
buttm bleeding all over the place. And then of course
you know if you years go by. The military tried
to have me pay for my armor because there's blood
on it, like we can't accept this.
Speaker 2: You got to pay for it, and I go, no.
Speaker 1: What, why would you pay for it?
Speaker 2: Anyway, I had.
Speaker 3: To go to my command have them sign off like,
oh yeah, he didn't just randomly bleed on this for fun.
What My actual commander had to sign a paper so
I can go back to turn it in.
Speaker 2: Good lord, so stupid. Yeah, but you don't have this
kind of weight dragging it down the War of eighteen twelve.
You maybe have a fully cotton uniform.
Speaker 1: You get a little pack on your back.
Speaker 2: So you're also still in swamps and that sounds terrible.
Speaker 1: So that gun is huge, their gun, their right, their musket,
that's a it's a big fucking boy. I think, I
think I'm not positive on that, but uh.
Speaker 3: So you have a saber on your side, well not
most of these guys believe, and that's getting caught in
trees and random shit. Then it gets all muddy and
gross and yeah.
Speaker 1: So Johnson's forces get up there and they break the
Indians lines and the Indians start to run, and I
guess Johnson just puts one into comps his back.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he didn't face some head on.
Speaker 1: Yeah I would.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. No, now's the chance.
Speaker 1: The lines are breaking, and he's just like, gotcha, bitch.
So Johnson never said that he killed Takumsa. Uh never was,
like he never like gassed up, like, yeah, I'm the
one that did it. Like here, read my book.
Speaker 2: Because he shot him in the back.
Speaker 1: Who cares how where you shoot him. It's a fucking battle, dude,
Like they can blow him, they shoot you in the back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, fuck them. Um, he's just laying on the
ground paralyzed.
Speaker 1: All he said for surely, ye all he said for
just the.
Speaker 2: Most horrific fashion possible.
Speaker 1: Ball. It's not even a bullet, it's.
Speaker 2: Just like a ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, magic, The gut shot is the worst. We'll take
you a few days to die. Maybe hopefully you die soon,
but if not, you're just getting infected and roast and.
Speaker 1: You want water. But it's like horribly painful to drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Johnson himself never like I said, was like, yeah
got him, I fucking got him. But he did say
all he said for sure was like that he killed
a quote tall, good looking Indian. So he was like,
I don't know if I shot Comes, I shot somebody hot,
no hot baby.
Speaker 2: How tall was to Comes? Was he like six foot?
Speaker 3: Do we have modern day hot native people that we
would know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all in. They're a modern native movies. So
that Scorsese movie that just came out, they just have
every Native American in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all literally in it.
Speaker 2: There's not many left.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have a height true, I don't
think I have a height on Takumsa.
Speaker 2: You said tall, So I'm just gonna imagine five eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, five eleven pretty hot. I mean he looks
pretty hot in this pick.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad. So
I'm gonna say he kill Jumps. Yeah, I just killed
a hot Indian. I don't know who it was, but
Coms is pretty hot, and historians are pretty sure that Johnson.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it.
Speaker 3: Comes a tall Ben Lawden also Talla should have hooped.
Speaker 2: We got him.
Speaker 3: We got they got the ben Laden, we got him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this.
Speaker 2: Makes Takumsa also a judo black belt.
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, although I do think he's probably
pretty solid in hand to hand.
Speaker 2: Okay has been in a judo. Allegedly he was a
black belt in judo. I don't know where he got
kind of his qualifications, but I'm sure there were somewhere.
I'm sure it was legitimate. It's also a CIA asset.
A lot of people believe I.
Speaker 1: Would love to watch a Putin versus bin Laden judo match.
Isn't Putin judo as well?
Speaker 2: Dude? Putin was the head of the Judo Federation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 2: I would love the presidents to go. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: It'd be sick. I would pay hundreds of dollars for
a like they're actually going at it hard pay per view.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Putin might be one of the greatest athletes ever live.
I mean, you never seen him play hockey.
Speaker 1: Oh he averages eight goals a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was scoring on no Vetchkin easy.
Speaker 1: You know Vegkins a forward.
Speaker 2: You know it's defense is in his priority. I get it.
Speaker 1: So this makes Johnson vice President Johnson, although he's not
yet vice president. He makes him a straight up war
hero in the United States. Two interesting things a note
at this time as well, he'd already started his relationship
with Julia Chin in eighteen eleven. He was thirty one,
she was twenty one, and Chin's brother Daniel was with him,
presumably involuntarily at the battle.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he got shot five times and then took
out to come though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had five five bullet wounds and then just peppered. Yeah,
like literally, and he led a suicide charge just to
draw fire. I mean, this guy's badass, like unquestionably at
least on the battlefield.
Speaker 2: Was he a big guy too? Was he a tank?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he was also known to be hot.
He was a good looking man.
Speaker 2: He can't take out a good looking man on the battlefield, yeah.
Speaker 1: Can't out of respect. Can't kill your own like that.
It's like, hey, bro, I got you, and you just
blow some of his brains out. Doesn't have any fucking teeth, Yeah, Like.
Speaker 3: That's the child, the child running away from from the
teeth here.
Speaker 2: I'll get this guy.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, Johnson or a sorry. Chin's brother Daniel
was with him at the battle. So it's just imagine
like yours fucking this Daniel by the way, also like
a white guy basically like a whole fucking family fight,
like this is not if that's a brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also Octa Octa UoN group.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he might have been a little more black.
I don't know who his father was. I don't know
if it was the same guy, but at least half
brother for sure. But like, boy, that is just like
insult to injury where it's just like you put it
to like you're imagine you're Daniel and you A, you're
a slave b your slave owners putting it to your sister.
And then see he turns around and is like, come on,
go into battle with me, and.
Speaker 3: Then he's actually badass. You're fuck, I can't even take
him if I want to, dude, Fuck, you're just upset. Yeah,
you were hoping he would probably die. You see him
the first time, awesome, the fourth and the fifth time
he's got to go down he kills to comes.
Speaker 2: You're like, dude, I can't win.
Speaker 1: God's not on your side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not. So I know he literally owns that pussy.
Speaker 3: So oh man, that's tough.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. It's not great.
Speaker 1: It's not good. So also, Johnson had already been engaged,
I guess, and he was, like I said, apparently a
hot guy. And uh at sixteen, he got engaged and
he got this chick pregnant. But his mom was like,
she's not good enough for you. She's just a seamstress. Uh.
So I'm breaking this off. And Johnson, who I think
loved her, was pissed and vowed revenge for his mother's interference.
His former fiancee gave birth to a daughter, Celia. Uh,
and that that daughter was raised by the Johnson family.
So Celia Johnson lived, lived a nice life and everything,
and and but the mom interfered with his love life,
and he vowed, I guess, just like fuck his mom
over bye.
Speaker 2: So he put one in his mom's.
Speaker 3: Bag, right, do something cool. At this point, I think
what other vow would there be.
Speaker 1: It's just like, all right, I'm gonna marry a slave.
I guess she's too low status for me. Well check
this out.
Speaker 3: That is one way to do it.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, mom.
Speaker 1: It's like his emo rebellion.
Speaker 2: Love is love, all right, you can't get in the
way of it.
Speaker 1: So allegedly that is something that Johnson believed and Chin
as well. Like they were very they wanted they were
very progressive for their time in terms of like being
pro integracial marriage and stuff like that. Obviously they did
it themselves.
Speaker 2: Now, so did he free her? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, Well she died in her thirties of cholera,
so he never had a chance. But he well, actually
he had a chance every day of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he for the ten plus years or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he didn't know her the whole time. So
her dad, his dad owned her. When they started dating
or whatever you want to call it, his dad owned her.
But then his dad died and he owned her and
just kept her.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was too much paperwork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his version of a prenup, like, if this doesn't
work out, I still need to be able to own you. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's not a cheap asset, I will say that. That's
actually why Ulysses as Grant is often shown as being
like like a good a good dude. Basically is that
he when he was broke.
Speaker 2: His gifted a slave and he freedom immediately.
Speaker 1: Freedom could have sold him and like solved a lot
of financial problems, and he was just like, I.
Speaker 2: Can't Grant's the man freed the guy. I didn't even
know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Grant was poor as fuck though for a while.
Yeah even after his presidency. Well yeah he went broke again.
But there was a minute. So he married a rich girl.
He married rich girl from Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: Actually he married Julia Dent in the in the Dent
family in Saint Louis. They were rich, she was a
rich girl. But you know, he wanted to make a
go of it for himself, and I guess.
Speaker 2: He sold the rights to his memoir or his autobiography
on a train on a napkin for like pennies and
then he told Mark Twain this, Mark Twin's like, you're
a fucking moron that that's not gonna hold up. I
will help you.
Speaker 1: With your book. Yeah, like, fuck those people, God, Grant.
Speaker 2: I need to read that autobiography because it's got a
lot of Twain did a lot of rewriting.
Speaker 1: Nice love that for Twain. So where was he?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So Julia Chin and Richard now known as Colonel Dick
after his heroics, were in a relationship and then he
started to own her after his dad died, he treated
they began a long term relationship, and he treated her
as his common law wife, which was legal in Kentucky
at the time. Now, they could not get like go
to the courthouse married, go to the church Mary like official,
Nobody wouldn't know that's what I Well, the thing is
like if you went like twenty towns. Oh well, at
this point he's famous, so maybe you couldn't even do that.
But everyone in the area knew who she was, So
you couldn't do it locally because everyone was like, that's
your that's your octa roon legal.
Speaker 2: Was she about town? No, she's hanging out the house.
Speaker 1: No, she is about town. She's a she's absolutely about town.
Speaker 3: Also, couldn't you put on a mustache or a hat
and no one would know who you are?
Speaker 1: Literally? Yeah, So she became his common law wife. The
couple exchange vows at a local church with a wedding
celebration organized by the slaves on his family's plantation, and
they were unofficially officially married and they had two daughters.
And once they were married, she basically became the manager
of his plantations. So he was away half the year
because he was in the Senate at this point.
Speaker 2: So there are sixteenth his children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's that qualify as six daroons? I don't
even fucking know what sixteenth will be, but.
Speaker 3: I hope there's no term for that where someone just
didn't go through the time to go through right.
Speaker 2: Every single I think it's called an Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not not inaccurate. So they they had two kids.
He referred to Chin as his bride, and like I said,
she managed his plantation, so all the business, all the money,
all dealing with people in town, all kinds of shit
like that. That's on her telling the slaves what to do.
On her, and we'll get into a fun little part
about it.
Speaker 2: She became Queen Bee pretty much.
Speaker 1: She was, I mean, she was the miss, She was
the woman of the house, Like she ran the house,
especially while he was away, which like I said, he
was in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: And like he was super chill with all those slaves,
but she started to lay down the hammer. Uh, he
really fucked up.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that on both fronts. But yeah, he
referred to Chin as his bride and never tried to
hide it. She was never the secret shame he took
her about town. Was like, this is my bride. Whatever
you want to judge me, fuck you, I'm a war hero. Uh.
At night, he liked to sit by the fireplace while
she played the piano, and she was reportedly very good
at playing the pia and both their daughters were. Because
they were only one sixteenth black, were raised as white girls,
educated as white girls, married into polite society, that they
still did have trouble, especially locally. When he spoke at
a July fourth celebration, the Lexington Obserber Lexington newspaper reported
that prominent white citizens wouldn't let one of his daughters
sit with them in the pavilion. Johnson sent his daughter
to the carriage to wait for him to come back
to check back to the fucking car and went through
his speech as fast as possible and then angrily drove away.
But the locals were like, we know, we know, get
the fuck out.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way it is. You could tell if
someone's the sixteenth black.
Speaker 1: Someone would literally have to tell you, literally have to
tell you.
Speaker 3: I'm still just amazed that people know this, like they
know who they are. I don't know the guy I
met five minutes ago, and I've known him for like
ten years.
Speaker 1: I think that a smaller world back then. B he's famous,
so you kind of like get the gossip right, Your
gossip about you travels further.
Speaker 3: How often do you even see these people? And on
a farm an hour away from town, I come in
to town. Hey, it's that one sixteenth Yeah, like no.
Speaker 1: I think Also, you got to give credit to him
back then, just really racist, like really good at sniffing
things out like that. Yeah, something's not right here someone
Our former podcast co host Jake one of my favorite
stories ever is that he so he's a he went
to the University of Florida.
Speaker 2: He went to a University of Tennessee Florida game at.
Speaker 1: At Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee, and some guy just walked by.
It goes jew, he's Jewish. This man just smelled it.
Speaker 2: His judar just smelled it.
Speaker 1: Just went off as a fucking stranger and you just
walk on jew. Jake said, it wasn't even mad. He
was just like, how did you even fucking know Jesus?
Speaker 2: First off? Impressive? Second off, what the fuck man?
Speaker 1: I think? Back then? You know his daughter, his white daughter,
walks up and they're just like mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I also think somebody from Tennessee would just assume anyone
in Florida is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's He's every literally everyone in Gaters Geary's
passing by is unless they're very clearly Cuban. It's just j.
Speaker 2: And there was that one time it was an actual
Jew and I got him. I knew it.
Speaker 1: It pays to be a volume shooter. So even though
they were in love, and I do believe they were
in love and had a seemingly good relationship and all
that stuff, she tried to look out for her family,
but there was only so much she could do because
she was, you know, she was the backup quarterback on
the plantation. She was the she filled in. But sometimes
the boss man comes back and he's got to make
business decisions. In eighteen twenty one, Johnson sold her brother
and her brother's wife to pay off some debt.
Speaker 2: No was he bad with money.
Speaker 1: No, we just had debt. He's like, we got to
pay off this credit card, babe in law.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was just being a nuisance, you know.
Speaker 1: At one if his brother in law was the one
who actually shot to Kamsa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't want to. He was still in valor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, even if he didn't kikumsa
like literally still a hero of the battle, like shot
five times and did the charge that like broke the
line and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But his brother in law knew the truth. Yeah, I
need to get rid of.
Speaker 1: How to get how to get him out of here. Also,
running the plant plantation wasn't always easy for Chin either,
uh Julia. According to one historian, when she was in charge,
when when Johnson was away, many of the male slaves,
the field hands, which is skip work, were refused to work.
Speaker 2: It'd be like, no, not today, substitutes here literally will
in the TV.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure they were also like watching the
movie she was like, hey, goth, weren't need to hit
hit the western field and clear that out, And they're
just like, you're a slave, don't tell us what to do,
you bitch? Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the boss is away, they're all gonna play exactly.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, and it wasn't easy for her.
Speaker 1: To get any help with it. So I guess, uh.
Speaker 2: Is this what radicalized her?
Speaker 3: She would make her nothing radicalized, So she would make
her kid do it, so when he got home, he
wasn't upset or something.
Speaker 1: Well, she went to her neighbors and she was like,
can I borrow some of your slave drivers to like
punish my slaves. They're being real jerks. They won't listen
to me. I need somebody to come whip them. And
they were just like, get out of here, octaroon.
Speaker 2: No no, They're.
Speaker 1: Like, no, he ain't doing it for you.
Speaker 2: For you, she can't win. Yeah, she's in this weird
middle ground.
Speaker 1: In case you think this is the worst time you've
in history, by the way, in case you in case
you're ever like, it's so hard to be alive right now.
This woman's married to a guy who owns her, who
sold her brother and her sister in law to pay
off a credit card, and then she has to tell
other people she's label with what to do. They're like
fuck you, and then she goes to try to get
someone else to punish them. But rob was it her fault?
Speaker 2: Did she have you know taste that cost him? Oh?
Speaker 1: Was she spending?
Speaker 2: Maybe she was spending And he's like, all right, only
way I can pay for her spending habit is selling.
Speaker 1: Her brother the T shirt slaves be shopping.
Speaker 2: No, it's not sure. I don't think anyone will wear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's yeah, it's that bitches be shopping. Yeah,
who knows. Maybe she was spending a little too much money.
I doubt it, But I don't know either way, because
she did live like truly, she lived aside from the
elephant in the room like, but her day to day
life was literally that of a woman of the plantation,
you know what I mean, like the wife of the plantation.
She just lived that life. She just happened to have
a fun little asterisk on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough, it's.
Speaker 1: Not what you want.
Speaker 2: She wasn't getting her hands dirty though.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. And I believe her brother. I
don't remember for sure, but I believe her brother worked
in the house. He was not a field hand.
Speaker 2: I would hope.
Speaker 3: So after serving with your owner, be like, hey, dude,
can I get in that.
Speaker 1: I think he was kind of like gonna help out
a little bit. It wouldn't surprise me if he was
kind of like Johnson's like valet, you know what I mean,
his squire. Yeah, like just to clean in his kit
at the end of a day and taking care of
the horse like I have to making his food like
I have to imagine not anymore because he got sold
him to the worst possible situation.
Speaker 2: What he's whoever he sold him to?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah now but during the war, I think that's
what his situation probably was. Real quick before keep going,
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does in eighteen twenty eight, and he was really really
hoping to be a vice presidential candidate for Andrew Jackson.
He was a big at this point, depopulist, big democrat,
big populist. Jackson's his fucking guy. Uh, and Andrew Jackson
is literally the Donald Trump of the nineteenth century. Like
that's all you know.
Speaker 2: They're both war heroes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh oh, I'll talk about Trump for a second. Yeah, yeah,
they are both war heroes. But uh, since he was
so openly married to his slave, people were like that
ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: Jackson had a Native kid, yeah, but he stole them,
he raised him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't fuck him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really his only Jackson had a couple kids,
but that was really his only kid.
Speaker 1: It just didn't I mean, maybe there's just too much missigenation,
I guess for an eighteen twenty eight ticket, if you
have both of them on it, you know what I
mean a little too much race mix it. You have
a little, not a lot. But Jackson didn't pick him
because he was so openly married to Chin and they
were like, dude, they're gonna kill us.
Speaker 2: With this, I know, especially that election with Quincy. Yeah,
just dragging Jackson's name through the mudd already calling his
wife a whore.
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have made it. They would have
had a fucking field day.
Speaker 2: Quincy literally said your wife is too big of a
whore to being the White House.
Speaker 3: To Andrew Jackson, what a fun guy, What a fun
thing to say.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. So people now will be like, these
are the mean as the election and not wrong. These
have been the last three have been the three dirtiest
elections of my life without not even close. But the
eighteen twenty eight election is like, it's like the twenty
seven Yankees. I mean, it's like the goat fucking mean election.
Speaker 2: Mean campaign, mudslinging left and rounds, just crazy shit.
Speaker 1: And again, so Jackson didn't put him on the ticket
because he was like, I'm gonna get killed if my
fucking running mate is married to a slave. I know
he's a war hero, but that's a lot. But it
wasn't a lot forever U.
Speaker 2: Because Van Buren boys, he.
Speaker 1: Gets another shot.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Julia Chin does die before he becomes vice president.
In eighteen thirty three, there was a cholera outbreak in
the area. Julia was a really good nurse as well
as a lot of other things. And they had a
school on their property for Choctaw Indians, and so she
cared for a lot of the sick kids who like
because colera just swept through it the whole area and
their school and stuff like that. Obviously, unfortunately, she caught
cholera while treating these kids and died of it in
eighteen thirty three, and Johnson was like very upset. I mean,
he loved her, like he was he grieved like deeply
over this very very much bummed him out. But even
though Julia Chin did die, her death or their relationship
still I guess haunted his political career. He did end
up getting Martin van Martin van Buren's VP spot, specifically
because he was a war hero, specifically because everyone thought
Martin van Buren, even though he was Jackson's hand picked
successor politically, people were like Van Buren's a pussy, Like
he's soft hands.
Speaker 2: We can't we need a guy with edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need It's the same thing it's like with
like Kamala Harris running for example, right, It's like, okay,
she's a like black check, who's like from California.
Speaker 2: We need them.
Speaker 1: Well, Midwestern White may under get it, you know what
I mean, balance it out.
Speaker 2: We need his hands out there. Yeah, we need a
badass Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: I mean but they I think they thought that because
of football, which is sort of in the military, like
and like semi veteran. Yeah exactly, Yeah, no, that is
the same thinking. It was the same thinking here with it.
Speaker 2: I think the most egregious part was he stole head
coach Valor's just a DC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, coordinators win you.
Speaker 3: Hey, AOC can run a mean pick six play or whatever.
Speaker 2: He tweeted. That wasn't him as his intern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was his dumbas. It was some dumbass on
the campaign who doesn't know anything about football. I'm confident
he knows what a six is.
Speaker 3: I really hope so. But it worked in like everyone
else's favor to be like.
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, you suck. You have no idea what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't. Can't let that go.
Speaker 2: I mean, he served in Italy.
Speaker 3: And he oh, he made some other false things. Well,
he mentioned being in Iraq at one point, but he
was a senator at that point.
Speaker 1: He said, his wife give you know he's a raper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his wife gave birth through I v F. Yes, yeah,
there was.
Speaker 3: There was a few military things that didn't add up
that I just didn't really care.
Speaker 2: But his wife was like, no, that that didn't happen. Yeah,
he's a pathological liars, but like dumb things a couple
of times.
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to what if he was just
he should have just come out and like, yeah, I
v F in vagina fuckers. Yeah, but this is the
same situation, right, the Van Buren's a pussy. Van Muran
is a soft hands and they need a guy with edge, right,
And Johnson has been a true blue member of the
Democratic Party, war hero like, served in the Senate, served
in the House, all this ship. Uh, pro slavery obviously,
so that's helpful as well for the Southern States and
stuff like that. So he gets it.
Speaker 2: He's very pro slavery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, dude, he's in there. You don't even
understand how into slavery I am. Johnson's campaign slogan was
actually rumsy dumpsy Johnson killed to cumpsy.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. We're trying a little too hard
there with the rhymes.
Speaker 1: I think he probably played better back then. Yeah, still though,
got dragged because he still had his kids.
Speaker 2: Who were sixteenth black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so political cartoons depicted his ex wife and his
daughters as like black black, like offensively black. Ye got
killed for that. Southern newspapers called him the great Amalgamationist,
and his marriage to Julia Chin, who was dead for
years at this point, was so controversial that even though
Van Buren got one hundred and seventy electoral votes for president,
Johnson only received one hundred and forty seven for vice president.
He did not meet the threshold to become vice president
because the Virginia electors were like, fuck that he married
a black chick, Fuck that we are not putting him
into office. They would not vote for him. So he
was one electoral vote short. Actually so he is to
this day. Johnson is the only vice president ever elected
to the position by the Senate. The Senate had to
vote on it to put him in. There a twelfth Amendment,
like we were talking about if Trump and Kamala tide,
they had to use the twelfth Amendment to elect a
vice president. Since Democrats had the majority, he got in,
but the electors wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: And that's huge, And we also still don't know who
he is.
Speaker 1: We still the only guy, the only guy he fucking
killed nineteenth century Bin Luden. We don't fucking know his name.
Speaker 2: Does he remarry?
Speaker 1: I wish so much worse than that? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, mean he just runs through him now.
Speaker 1: His time we'll get to it. His time as vice
president was pretty whatever, and the and his being married
to Julia chen Chin was so bad that, uh, they
kicked him off the ticket for reelection. They were like,
we're not gonna win again if you'll now. They didn't
win again anyway, and beer and lost, but they kicked
They did not nominate Johnson again for VP. Uh, they
just literally didn't pick a VP. And Andrew Jackson was like,
we gotta kick him off the ticket. He'll yeah, he'll
be dead weight if he's on the ticket, Like, he'll
he'll kill us. There are no records that remain that
were written by Chin or her two daughters. Historians believe
that Johnson's brothers after his death, destroyed pretty much all
of his archives, the letters, his will, everything, uh for
off so that they could take ship from his daughters,
so his daughters wouldn't get the money that they would
his daughter's free his daughter for free? Okay, they were
free and married and everything. And also they were just
embarrassed that he married a slave.
Speaker 2: God could you imagine though, if he dies and his
brothers just sell off his daughters their nieces.
Speaker 1: Well, they were free the whole time, so you couldn't
do it.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't put it past me for other people doing
that at those times, though, No, I can see.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, all right, they destroyed all his documentation.
Speaker 1: They destroyed it. There's like there was I.
Speaker 2: Imagine they had to have papers saying these are free women,
even though they're certainly white as fuck.
Speaker 1: They weren't even born I guess since they were born
to a slave, he could have claimed them as slaves,
but he never did. They were free citizens of the
United States the whole time.
Speaker 2: Claim them as dependents.
Speaker 1: I mean he did claim them as dependence. Yeah, they
were dependents, certainly, they just didn't work for him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot known about Chin. Obviously, there's
a ton known about Johnson because he's was a vice president,
a war hero, all this shit. Now we don't know
his name because no one will remember you again, Never
forget that this man's this man has just like towering
achievements in life. Right war hero killed a very famous
enemy of the United States senator, congressman, vice president.
Speaker 2: Progressive dating a black woman, marrying a black woman, not
foring a black woman.
Speaker 1: Though, Nope. So after Chin's death, Colonel Dick kept hooking
up with slaves, and these relationships sounded less chill than
the other one.
Speaker 2: No, he was just hate fucking them. I hate, but
like probably grieve them all. Is that worse? I think
it's worse.
Speaker 1: All I know for sure is after Chid's death, Johnson
began rape.
Speaker 2: What grieve rape?
Speaker 1: I kind of probably, I don't know for sure, but
Johnson began hooking up with another of his slaves. But she,
in the boldest move I've ever heard in my life,
dumped him and started dating another.
Speaker 2: Guy, another slave or another I.
Speaker 1: Think another slave, but maybe it was another fucking freak guy.
I don't know. I didn't get that. I didn't have
that information.
Speaker 2: What do you mean we need to see other people? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you understand the dynamic?
Speaker 2: He technically are my people? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well he didn't take too kindly to this breakup. Now,
a lot of bad boyfriends, you know, at bad ex boyfriends.
I should say this one wins. Probably I killed her. No,
that happens all the time.
Speaker 2: Right, sold her? Boyfriend sold her.
Speaker 1: She broke up with him and he was like, you
break up with me, and then he's I'll do you
one better, and I bring up with you. He sold her. Yeah,
he sold her, and then he started banging her sister. Oh,
who was also a slave at his plantation.
Speaker 2: Obviously, and she just saw what happened. She's like, I
probably shouldn't say no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I can't break up with this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you. He eventually died in uh what
he eighteen fifty? He was like seventy years old, it's
about it. Let rest of his life fairly quiet. Had
a stroke whatever, and yeah, he's buried in Frankfort, Kentucky.
That is the story of the vice president, the first
vice president married to a woman of color. Old Colonel
Dick Mentor Johnson had a taste for it and his
wife Julia Chin did you guys learn today?
Speaker 2: Learn about this guy had no idea who he was,
And I learned that there are some power dynamics in
relationships that probably shouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: Like owner property.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he probably don't marry your property.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're that guy who focks his car
that I don't care.
Speaker 2: Even then I feel bad for the car.
Speaker 1: You don't know what that car is thinking.
Speaker 2: Neither do you.
Speaker 3: I learned that I learned who killed Dacumza, which is
very shocking because no one knew who he was.
Speaker 2: It was his brother in law.
Speaker 3: But also, yeah, I also just relearned how shitty life
was for a lot of people back then.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just gonna reminded of like, fuck all that sucked.
That was a terrible thing. Oh, I guess.
Speaker 1: He also got elected to the at Kentucky House one
more time in eighteen fifty when he died, and he
was just like, I don't know how he got He
was just like addled with dementia at this point, just
like and the Louisville Daily Journal wrote, Colonel Johnson is
laboring under an attack of dementia, which renders him totally
unfit for business. It is painful to see him on
the floor attempting to discharge the duties of a member.
He is incapable of properly exercising his physical and mental powers.
Then he stroked out in November and died.
Speaker 3: Is it Jimmy Carter that we should bring back now?
Speaker 1: Yes, Jimmy should be president again.
Speaker 2: Now. Did they refer to him as colonel the rest
of his life? Yes, that's sick, that's sweet, that is cool.
Colonel Dick dick Man.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a double colonel, because
there's Kentucky colonels, but there's also military colonel. He was
a colonel in the in the army. I don't know
he also became a Kentucky colonel like Colonel Sanders. But yeah,
that's his story.
Speaker 2: He's all dressed up in white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's today's hitler?
Speaker 3: I would go with the people at the table who
wouldn't let his daughter sit with them? All those people
you're not enough. Yeah, that's my hitler.
Speaker 2: I think I want to say this guy because he
sold his brother in law, he didn't free his wife,
and then he had some questionable hookups after.
Speaker 3: Well again, paperwork for that might be too much. He's
a busy guy. You know, in ten years you might not.
Speaker 2: Be able to get it done. Also, a total liability.
That's why he wasn't up for reelection. He got dumped
by his party.
Speaker 1: And stole valor, and he said in his own defense,
he said, unlike Jefferson, Clay Poindexter and others, I married
my wife under the eyes of God. And apparently he
has found no objections. So he's like, yeah, I fucking
did it, and I fucking owned it. Fuck you and
owned it. Two meetings there, like he owned up to it,
but he owned her her as well. People were also pissed.
I guess that he tried to introduce his daughters to
polite society. Like people were like, data is a bridge
too far, buddy.
Speaker 2: They're not one of us. We know it. They're wearing
like really nice Victorian dresses. Yeah, they got like umbrellas
that they're holding up. Yep. They're like, wait a minute,
something's not right here.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find trying too hard
a picture of one of his daughters, because they obviously
lived into the time of.
Speaker 2: Photography, Like, is that hair a little mappy?
Speaker 1: I mean this is by the way, this is a painting.
Let me show you the difference between the actual painting
of Julia Chin and the uh political cartoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is Julia Chin painting of let's see
it super white. It's a white woman yeah.
Speaker 1: This is the political cartoon.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it looks like a Haitian witch. Yeah. Yeah
with the shower cap duv.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, she's talking to dead animals and crystals and
stuff pretty much.
Speaker 1: Dan, did you give a hitler?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, did you give a hit who's your hitler?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Yeah, the people that wouldn't let her the
daughters sit with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's all I got for today.
Speaker 2: Fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good times. So when you think of ushavntce, remember
Julia Chin. Remember her name.
Speaker 2: Is there an implication there that you're trying to put
on No.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just saying, remember Julia Chin. She's she's
gonna get some some shit stolen from her soon.
Speaker 3: Also surprised she was an Asian?
Speaker 1: What Julia Chin? I mean, it's I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know where that name came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, wild random ass name. Well for Dan or
Jester and Scott Lopez.
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