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YouTube at YouTube dot com slash softcore History. Today. On

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Softcore History, we are talking about a woman who made history,

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although she might not have been so wild about the

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way she made the history. In the coming months, you're

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gonna hear a lot about how Jadvance's wife is probably

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the first woman of color to be the second Lady. However,

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there was a vice President before JD. Vance who was

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married to a non white woman. Unfortunately, that story is

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a little bit bleaker, and we are here to talk

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about it today. The ninth Vice President of the United States,

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Richard Johnson and his wife Julia Chin.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to soft Core History.

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Speaker 1: What is up. Welcome back to soft core History. I

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am your host for the week, Rob Fox. I am

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joined as always by Dan Jester, who's up there doing

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some production work right now, and Scottie too hot a

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little b hey.

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Speaker 3: It's could be back. Guys, appreciate the invite. Always fun,

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always glorious to have you. Hi, Scott showing off legs.

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Speaker 1: I just noticed your I know of your infamous leg tat,

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but I just noticed your Bucky's leg tat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a mullet on it. Evan my mustache,

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Oh my god. And you have the womping willow too.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking nerd. Thanks dude. I have

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a Lord of the Rings tattoo.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Dandy, did you even have any idea

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what that tattoo? He was over there?

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Speaker 2: He's got a mermaid.

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Speaker 1: I see the willow.

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Speaker 2: That's from Harry Potter. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Damn the car that is a deep cut. Yeah, it's

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from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. It's the

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second one. Now, I'm more familiar with the womping willow

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from the third one when they have to go through

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it to get to the shrieking shack where Serious Black

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has been hiding and remiss Lupin has been ringing stuff.

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But you know what, that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk out. I was impressive.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I'm following everything you're saying

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right now. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I've only read those books once. I like them a lot,

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but I only read them once. My wife will like

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reread them a lot, and I'll just like remember things

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that she won't. We'll get very angry, and I'm like, baby,

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that's just a man brain, which means I will not

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remember to feed the children, but I will remember the

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randomst dumb.

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Speaker 3: Shit underneath the womping willow yep, yeah, and all the

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characters that were there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's man brain. I think it's just

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ADHD brain.

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Speaker 1: Also that that's probably what it really is, is my

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ADHD brain. I'll be like I can remember any time

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and date, and then the Mike children are just like,

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I'm like, oh, you need a food.

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Speaker 3: I think you were the first person to ever tell

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me that I have ADHD. Because I was talking about

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how I read books while listening to podcasts. I go,

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that's ADHD, and I go I never thought that it was.

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I thought it was like a normal thing.

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Speaker 1: That's just fucked up, is what that?

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Speaker 2: And now I think I have it, But I think

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you ascend it to a higher content.

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Speaker 3: I never knew I did.

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Speaker 1: That might not be adhd, that might be just you're

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a savant. Like I'm not a savant. I'm just like

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my brain works a certain way and it either makes

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me look very stupid or very smart, depending upon the circumstance.

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fact out and someone's like, I want to beef smart,

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but it's really just like, no, it's just the shit

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that rattles around in here. It's not it's not intelligence.

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But yeah, today we have a fun topic. Uh So.

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bit topical in that Donald Trump just won his second

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term and will be the next president of the United

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States and his vice president this time around will be JD.

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Vance And some might say that JD. Vance in a

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way will be making history, or rather that his wife

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will be as the first ever non white second lady,

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unless you want to count dug him off being Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Well he's a man.

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Speaker 1: Well, so just same diff he is the first ever

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second gentleman. M yeah, yeah, yeah. But even though Usha

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Vance will be the first ever non white second lady,

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she is not the first ever non white woman married

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to a vice president because one of our nations former

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vice presidents was married to his slave.

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, so fun topic tonight. Jefferson never married. Nope.

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Speaker 1: Oh you've never heard of this guy. No fucking way

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in hell you know I'm.

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Speaker 2: About to talk. Is it like Buchanan's VP.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's Van Buren's VP. So yeah, you don't fucking

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know who this guy is, which is ironic and should

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be a good lesson. And we'll get into it because

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at the time this man was extremely famous, like one

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of the most famous people in America for a long

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time or for his life in his lifetime, I should say,

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and we'll get into why.

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Speaker 2: But and the lesson learned. Nobody will remember.

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Speaker 1: You one, no one will remember you. If this man

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isn't getting remembered, your sure as shit fucking not. I'm

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actually going to go into like it'll actually blow your

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mind a little bit when I give the why he

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was famous. But we'll get to that. So today we're

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talking about the ninth Vice President of the United States,

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Richard Mentor Johnson. Oh of course, yeah, yeah, Dick Mentor

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Uh and his wife whom he owned, Juliet Chin.

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Speaker 2: So Asian slave. What Asian slave?

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Speaker 1: Nope, nope, we'll get to that. We'll get to her ethnicity.

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Speaker 2: Oh uh felt potentially Chinese.

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Speaker 3: I did know a guy in elementary school when I

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went to his birthday party, uh, and his name was

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Harry Chin. And I never knew how funny that was

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until I was like telling the story, like ten years later.

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I went to his birthday party when took this Lakers

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game with my buddy named Harry Harry Chin, Like, his

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fucking name is Harry Chin.

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Speaker 1: Parent would do that, and I go, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: He was my best friend all through like elementary school,

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and I never put two and two together.

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Speaker 2: His name was that.

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Speaker 1: He can't do that with any if you have a

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last name, that's like a thing. It was. I mean,

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like even Harry Fox would sound weird.

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Speaker 3: His guest house was like three times the size of mine.

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It was very impressive, sound like a great friend to have.

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Speaker 2: It was dope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a guest house that's prime drinking real estate too.

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When you're in high school.

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Speaker 3: And Chip it wasn't high school, but yeah, I mean

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it would have been great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you're knock coming back.

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Speaker 3: In fifth grade, dude, we had what Caprice sons and yeah, well,

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I mean that's still prime real estate left alone by

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the parents, exactly what we played like Nintendo A nice?

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Speaker 2: Do you drink your Caprice Son's the cool way? What

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is like? Tear the corner and upside down? Stick to

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straw in? No, who does that? Cool kids? Obviously?

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Speaker 1: No, that's what you really got to do is shotgun it.

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You take it over your head, open your mouth as

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wide as you can.

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Speaker 2: And just also never done that, which you can do

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at the bar green Light Social in Austin. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bar here that does adult capri sons. WHOA,

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yeah that's cool.

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Speaker 2: I still drink him the cool Way?

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Speaker 1: Do you can turn upside down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where all the alcohol is, so you get

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drunk faster.

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Speaker 2: All the alcohols in the bottom.

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Speaker 1: So Johnson was Martin Van Buren's vice president from eighteen

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thirty seven to eighteen forty one. But technically Julia Chin

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was not the first non white first Lady because she

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had already died of cholera in eighteen thirty three.

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Speaker 2: However, it'd be like that sometimes, and do be like

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that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: She was married to Johnson, So let's get into his

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and Julia's lives first. Julia Chin was born in Scott County, Kentucky,

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to a woman owned by the Johnson family. So she

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was owned by Vice President Johnson's father. Born into that.

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Speaker 2: They found love in a hopeless place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kind of. If you'll recall about Sally Hemmings,

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I forget what the episode the context of it was,

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and I don't remember who our guest was, but Sally

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Having's Thomas Jefferson's slave lover, whatever you want to call it.

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She was known. She was what's known as a quadroon.

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Remember that she was like a fourth black, she was

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only one fourth black. Wow, there's a term for that quadroon,

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and we liked, I like to say that we need

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to bring that back. But for anyone who claims they're like, oh,

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I'm Irish, but you're like a fourth Irish, you like

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fucking Irish quadroon, you're not read that's me.

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Speaker 2: I'm one of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a Mexican quadroon.

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Speaker 3: I always grew up like I'm fucking something Irish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh well it was awesome you have some.

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I'm guarantee there's some in you. But like being like yo,

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I'm like me, like, oh I'm Irish.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably like thirty to.

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Speaker 1: Six, like thirty to fifty percent Irish. Fifty is a

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huge a. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you get to claim whatever you want these days,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Take a twenty three and me test if you at

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one percent Portuguese, claim.

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Speaker 1: It baoom, claim the darkest thing you got.

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Speaker 2: So that said, it's not cooth. But the term melatto

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that means half.

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Speaker 1: I think, so I forget. I look up the definition

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of that. Yeah, it's not really Uh, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not something you should really like. Half ice cream half water.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Now. Neapolitan ice cream is a three flavors.

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Speaker 1: That's when you're part black, part Indian, and part white. Yeah. Oh,

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Actually a person who's three quarters black and one quarter

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European is called a griff. So interesting, boy, I just

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found a lot of racist definitions on Google. Sweet. But

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so Hemmings was three fourths white because Jefferson's family had

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been putting it to her family, I guess for a generations. Yeah,

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so Juliet Julia Chin Sally Hemings was a quadroon Julia Chan,

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it turns out, was an octo run so an eighth

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she was only one eighth black. So let me just

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say this clearly, this was a white slave. She was

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seven eighth white. This is just a white slave.

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Speaker 2: What gave it away? The dreads like how did they

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Speaker 1: Just because they knew that, like like literally like people

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kept having sex, raping, I don't know her fucking ancestors

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to the point where she was just fucking white.

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Speaker 2: She had a slight tan. Yeah, literally, you would.

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Speaker 1: Never know, would There's no way you would ever know

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what eighth what eighth this is?

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Speaker 2: White's white? Does that even get you a scholarship at

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college these days?

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Speaker 1: No? And the crazy thing is, but she was born

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to a slave, right, Like, she was born to a quadroon,

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you got a little bit of black. And then and

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but a slave and owned and a white guy, uh

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one a blacked.

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Speaker 3: But also I guess it's not fair to just have

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her be free whenevery other slave is not when they're born,

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know issues, and also.

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Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna give away free things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I might as well keep her. Yeah, she

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certainly doesn't have the N word pass no, no, no,

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one eighth, so she has to be a slave, but

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she can't say say the end.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think if you are a slave, no matter

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what your complexion, and you get to say the N word,

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I think that's probably fair. But this, as soon as

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I read that, I was just like, I mean, that's

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a that's a white lady. That's just a white lady

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that's owned because her great grandpa was black.

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Speaker 2: Ya. But she married a VP sort of we'll get

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to that.

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Speaker 1: So she was born sometime between seventeen ninety and seventeen

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ninety seven, the exact date of birth is unknown, and

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she was raised and educated out on the Johnson property

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by Richard Johnson's mother, Jemima Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's the same family that owned her.

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Speaker 1: So he married his own slave.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's weird. Is that weirder than not?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's less complicated. I suppose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Did they have any connection to the Syrup family.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Jemima just used to be a name.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was high society, high society.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a Hebrew in origin name means dove.

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Speaker 2: So every time you put that on your waffles, dove

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syrup doves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dov syrup, damn it. Sometimes you can get a chart,

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like a graph of baby names, like how common usage

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it is over time. But yeah, it hasn't been in

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the top one thousand names used in the United States

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since eighteen ninety three, but it used to be pretty common.

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Jemima was used a lot by the Puritans, So there's

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a lot of key magic. You're just like walking around

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Plymouth Rock and soone's just like Jemima, good, goodie, Jemima,

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come to me and greet me on this blessed morning.

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You're like, what I thought everyone's gonna be named like

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Sally or Sarah or something. Anyway. Johnson meanwhile was born

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than her. He was born October seventeenth, seventeen eighty. They

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wrote his birthday down, you know, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that's why they're like, ah, she could be

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born within this seven years span.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He was actually the first Native Kentuckian to be

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elected to the state's legislator. Everyone else was and this

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happened in eighteen oh four. Everyone else was from somewhere else.

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He was a Democratic Republican, same party as Jefferson, and

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he was very much a populist, known as a champion

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of the people, champion of the common man. And throughout

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his political career he was really like against federal courts,

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didn't like their jurisdiction and all that stuff. Kind of

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like today would be almost like I don't want to

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go as far as like Rand Paul, but like certainly

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conservative and on the leaning libertarian, I would say to

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an extent. He was also though like pro war and stuff.

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He was a good part He towed the party line

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though too. He'll vote he would vote whatever the party

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needed to vote him. In eighteen oh six, he was

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elected to the US House of Representatives and was the

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first Native Kentucky and elected to Congress as well. War

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was declared against Britain in June eighth, eighteen twelve, and

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Johnson voted in favor of going to war with Britain,

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and he went to fight in that war. This is

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how he became famous. He was a cavalry officer, went

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back to Kentucky, recruited a whole battalion, and became colonel

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once it was combined with another unit or whatever, and yeah,

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became a whole became a colonel of that unit, and

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then actually served under President William Henry Harrison. He was

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his general. He was a direct overlooking general.

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Speaker 2: If you're involved in the War of eighteen twelve, I

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don't know if you own it.

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Speaker 1: Why first off, pushed up. We want I don't want.

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I want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: They burnt down the White House, dude, all right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a house.

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Speaker 2: We don't need it.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we won the American Revolution and the British in

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the American Revolution captured our capital like nine times. We

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just kept moving it.

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Speaker 2: That's why. That's why we moved the capitol.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 1: In the Revolution. We were like, Philadelphia is our capital. They

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fucking take Philadelphia. We're like, fuck, new York is our capital,

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they take New York. Boston's our capital. Like, we just

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kept moving it all the time.

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Speaker 2: So then we put it in a swamp then we have.

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Speaker 1: They were like, no, it'll want to take this place,

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They'll just go around it. So he goes to fight

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in the War of eighteen twelve and he sees serious action,

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including and especially at the Battle of the Thames, which

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is one of the most famous battles in the War

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of eighteen twelve. The Battle of the Americans win and

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the reason he gets famous is because of what he

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does in this battle, in the Battle of the Tames.

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So obviously we know that in the War of eighteen

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twelve it was the Americans against the British. However, the

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British had allies in the form of Native Americans. Native Americans,

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we're doing a lot of bothering to the US. They

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were hoping if they win the war, they'll take land

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back from the Americans, maybe like stop the Americans cold

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in their track, the westward expansion and all that stuff.

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So there was Native confederacies, Indian confederacies, Indian allyships with

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the British that were fighting against the Americans in the

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War of eighteen twelve. And the most infamous leader of

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those Indians, the guy, the mastermind, the one everyone feared,

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the fucking just the guy, the fucking quarterback of these

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people was Tukumpsa.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, Yeah you know Tsa, We all know him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's dope, yeah, war great warrior, brilliant, strategic mind like,

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and a real fucking problem for the Americans in the

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War of eighteen twelve. Obviously, he's fighting because he knows.

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He's like, this country's not gonna stop going west. We

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gotta fucking do anything we can. Slee lies with the

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British and all that stuff to Tecumsa is killed at

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the Battle of the Thames.

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Speaker 2: Good he picked the wrong side. Did you imagine that

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meeting between the British and the Natives?

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Speaker 1: They gotta you gotta think that the Indians are eating

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a lot of shit at that meeting where they're just

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like they're just got to grin and bird like whatever

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it takes to stop these fucking Americans. Just just just Ticumsa,

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just calm down, just calm down to COMSA, letn't call

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your service. It's fucking fine. Yeah, it's probably not fun.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but I

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have a friend who's like full on Native and his

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name is Earth Grasper, And I asked him, you know why,

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as a kid he used to put dirt in his pockets,

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and so his dad, instead of calling him dirt pocket,

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was earth Grasper. That's a cool way to like have

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a name. I just liked putting dirt in my pockets

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of my pants.

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Speaker 1: That is definitely a fucking name. Jesus that I I

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don't even know.

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Speaker 3: Sounds a lot cooler than yeah, dirt pockets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dirt pocket, it's dirt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dirt pockets were earthworm. Yeah right, No, he grasped

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the earth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, grasp of the earth does sound epic instead of like,

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oh yeah, he just played in the dirty until he

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tells you how he got that name and filthy child,

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all right, yeah, yeah that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So to kumps up, Comsa, have you ever fired a kanon?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what this is?

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Speaker 2: Boy?

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Speaker 1: He's just like, oh my god, uh, Sokumsa killed at

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this battle? Like I said, we don't know who the

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fuck this vice president is. Never heard his name, but

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I had not heard his name before a couple of

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days ago when I found this topic. He killed Takumsa

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whoa with his bare hands with a gun.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure hopefully it's a lot easier with the gun. Yeah,

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Tomsa's tomahawk.

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Speaker 1: It was just Mel Gibson style. Yeah, just fucking I

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like that scene in The Patriot when he's like chopping

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that guy up and.

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Speaker 2: Then his son is just staring at him.

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Speaker 3: Oh Dad, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all just like all right, Oh I've never

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seen that before. Yeah, holy yeah, this is like the equivalent.

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The only thing I can think of is like, this

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is like the equivalent of killing Bin Laden. Yeah, this

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is the eighteen twelve equivalent of fucking killing Osama bin

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Laden and this guy.

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Speaker 2: So imagine we're really putting some stink on Takumpsa there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, as far as the Americans were concerned,

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I get to kamsa nobler cause then I'm sure he

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was still an asshole, but nobler cause than beIN Lotten.

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Speaker 2: They're calling him a terrorist.

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Speaker 1: He used terrorist tactics. I don't blame him necessarily. I

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guess at the time it's accurate, yes, for the for

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the country that's that kind of tracks. And so imagine

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the guy who kills Bin Laden and Rob O'Neil, I

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guess goes on to become Vice President of the United States,

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like huge name at the time, like everyone would know

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his fucking name.

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Speaker 2: That could still happen, you know, yeah, I could, honestly.

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Speaker 1: But like everyone knows, everyone knows who's blah blah blah

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at the time. This is how Johnson was. Everyone knew

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who this guy was.

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Speaker 3: One of the heroes of.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen twelve, fucking killed one of the biggest villains in

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the war in fucking battle. And I was explain how

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in a second, and we don't know who he is.

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Speaker 2: We never heard of this guy.

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Speaker 1: No one will remember you. You're it's a hopeless endeavor.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of it's it's a hard pronunciation, so it

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sticks out.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, not even the most famous to come so in

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American history, because William to comes to Sherman absolutely dunks

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on him.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sherman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even close.

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Speaker 2: Do you think his middle name is literally after I

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believe it is, Yeah, this warrior, I believe it is.

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That's sick. I mean, Sherman's the man.

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Speaker 1: Oh Sherman rocks. So in the battle, they were trying

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to break the Native lines and Johnson ordered Colonel Johnson

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orders a He gathers together twenty men in what was

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called a suicide squad, and their job was to just

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charge and draw the Indians fire because they had rifled

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or muskets or whatever, so that the arrest so that

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the rest of the unit could attack while the Indians reloaded.

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So their job was to just charge, take the volley,

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and then the other rest of the unit can move.

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Speaker 3: You just hope they get there fast enough and they're

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not sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Johnson turned to his boys and he goes,

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I think we're some kind of suicide.

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Speaker 1: Squad pretty much, except he organized.

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Speaker 3: What an awful fucking movie, right, But yeah, both both

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I don't even see or even is there three of

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them now?

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Speaker 2: Like I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 1: No, it's two plus birds of Prey, which is with

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just Harley Quinn and a bunch of pointless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm good on that. I believe Will Smith

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drops that line. Yeah yeah, actually, yeah, sounds right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Johnson and twenty men charge the Indian lines,

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fifteen of them die yep, sounds right, yeah, and the

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rest of them get stunk, get stuck in the swampy

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ground they had to charge through. So now they're just

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stuck in front of the Indians fifteen or dead, and

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they just got to wait for the rest of the

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unit to get up there to break the lines. Whatever.

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Don't they get hacked to pieces pretty much. Johnson himself

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has shot five times in the attack, all right, and

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he did a he and he was on horseback too,

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so he was standing out.

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Speaker 3: Dude, No one thinks about terrain, Like when you watch

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00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:38,920
a cool war movie, they're like running through doing cool stuff.

471
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,319
You're wearing a bunch of pounds of things. Everyone's eating

472
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:43,680
shit every like five steps.

473
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh sure, we're just.

474
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: Miserable, Like this isn't fun.

475
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 3: You're just falling over a branch, a root, a hole

476
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,279
in the ground, Like it's not pretty. Running through the

477
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,000
world to go flanking enemy is like.

478
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like the first scene of Saving Ryan

479
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,279
kind of nailed that. Yeah, they're constantly just like running

480
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,160
and falling down and running and falling down.

481
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,279
Speaker 2: The door opens and they just get domed.

482
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,839
Speaker 3: It's gnarmally. And then you were stepping over your buddy. Sorry, dude,

483
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,119
I met you a couple of days ago on this

484
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,839
boat show.

485
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah you're like, man, I wish I hadn't paid him

486
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,319
the money I lost in poker yet.

487
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're like stepping over the bodies. It's it's

488
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,599
never this clean cut, push assault, do the thing. It's gorgeous.

489
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,440
I felt almost every single time, just eight shit. I

490
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,720
even busted my lip on my machine gun. I fell

491
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:35,519
onto it and I was just bleeding on a sixty. No,

492
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,759
I had an M two four nine. It's like the

493
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,440
new single person machine gun. I carried all the mum myself.

494
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,519
You know, you know it's not a gun team. Okay,

495
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:45,720
I was a part of a rifle team.

496
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: That thing.

497
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, it's sweet. So it kind of looks like

498
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,079
an M sixty, yeah exactly, but it's like lighter. Do

499
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,599
you also have the crew served machine guns? Right, have

500
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,400
like you know, the gunner, the assistant gunner, and the ammobearer, right,

501
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,960
it's like three guys on a tripod. Yeah, but that

502
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,920
just takes the role of the automatic gun or in

503
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,480
a team. That's sweet, sick, but it's so fucking heavy. Really.

504
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why when I first, you know, when

505
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,359
you sprint, you're you run low and you're forward. You

506
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,279
can't do that when you have a twenty one pound gun.

507
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,079
The weight just takes you forward. So I took three

508
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,160
steps when the same thing the ramp drop took three steps,

509
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,079
just ate it. My buddy's like low pass and he

510
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,200
like drags me. I'm like I just felt it. I'm fine,

511
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,519
buttm bleeding all over the place. And then of course

512
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,720
you know if you years go by. The military tried

513
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,799
to have me pay for my armor because there's blood

514
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:36,599
on it, like we can't accept this.

515
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,559
Speaker 2: You got to pay for it, and I go, no.

516
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,559
Speaker 1: What, why would you pay for it?

517
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:41,559
Speaker 2: Anyway, I had.

518
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: To go to my command have them sign off like,

519
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:48,119
oh yeah, he didn't just randomly bleed on this for fun.

520
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,759
What My actual commander had to sign a paper so

521
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:52,880
I can go back to turn it in.

522
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 2: Good lord, so stupid. Yeah, but you don't have this

523
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680
kind of weight dragging it down the War of eighteen twelve.

524
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,640
You maybe have a fully cotton uniform.

525
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:03,039
Speaker 1: You get a little pack on your back.

526
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: So you're also still in swamps and that sounds terrible.

527
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:10,599
Speaker 1: So that gun is huge, their gun, their right, their musket,

528
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,200
that's a it's a big fucking boy. I think, I

529
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,559
think I'm not positive on that, but uh.

530
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,039
Speaker 3: So you have a saber on your side, well not

531
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,559
most of these guys believe, and that's getting caught in

532
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,000
trees and random shit. Then it gets all muddy and

533
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:27,160
gross and yeah.

534
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,759
Speaker 1: So Johnson's forces get up there and they break the

535
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,880
Indians lines and the Indians start to run, and I

536
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,920
guess Johnson just puts one into comps his back.

537
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: Oh no, he didn't face some head on.

538
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,759
Speaker 1: Yeah I would.

539
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. No, now's the chance.

540
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: The lines are breaking, and he's just like, gotcha, bitch.

541
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,240
So Johnson never said that he killed Takumsa. Uh never was,

542
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,240
like he never like gassed up, like, yeah, I'm the

543
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:52,880
one that did it. Like here, read my book.

544
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,279
Speaker 2: Because he shot him in the back.

545
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,799
Speaker 1: Who cares how where you shoot him. It's a fucking battle, dude,

546
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,039
Like they can blow him, they shoot you in the back.

547
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, fuck them. Um, he's just laying on the

548
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:06,079
ground paralyzed.

549
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: All he said for surely, ye all he said for

550
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,480
just the.

551
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: Most horrific fashion possible.

552
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: Ball. It's not even a bullet, it's.

553
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: Just like a ball.

554
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, magic, The gut shot is the worst. We'll take

555
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,880
you a few days to die. Maybe hopefully you die soon,

556
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,759
but if not, you're just getting infected and roast and.

557
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,279
Speaker 1: You want water. But it's like horribly painful to drink.

558
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

559
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Johnson himself never like I said, was like, yeah

560
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,279
got him, I fucking got him. But he did say

561
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,519
all he said for sure was like that he killed

562
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,319
a quote tall, good looking Indian. So he was like,

563
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,839
I don't know if I shot Comes, I shot somebody hot,

564
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:47,799
no hot baby.

565
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,119
Speaker 2: How tall was to Comes? Was he like six foot?

566
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: Do we have modern day hot native people that we

567
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:53,880
would know?

568
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all in. They're a modern native movies. So

569
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,720
that Scorsese movie that just came out, they just have

570
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:03,880
every Native American in that.

571
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:06,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all literally in it.

572
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:08,559
Speaker 2: There's not many left.

573
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I have a height true, I don't

574
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,039
think I have a height on Takumsa.

575
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,519
Speaker 2: You said tall, So I'm just gonna imagine five eleven.

576
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, five eleven pretty hot. I mean he looks

577
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,039
pretty hot in this pick.

578
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:22,039
Speaker 2: Let's see.

579
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad. So

580
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,200
I'm gonna say he kill Jumps. Yeah, I just killed

581
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,640
a hot Indian. I don't know who it was, but

582
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:35,200
Coms is pretty hot, and historians are pretty sure that Johnson.

583
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so it.

584
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:42,079
Speaker 3: Comes a tall Ben Lawden also Talla should have hooped.

585
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: We got him.

586
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: We got they got the ben Laden, we got him.

587
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this.

588
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,319
Speaker 2: Makes Takumsa also a judo black belt.

589
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, although I do think he's probably

590
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,480
pretty solid in hand to hand.

591
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,039
Speaker 2: Okay has been in a judo. Allegedly he was a

592
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:58,920
black belt in judo. I don't know where he got

593
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,519
kind of his qualifications, but I'm sure there were somewhere.

594
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,119
I'm sure it was legitimate. It's also a CIA asset.

595
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,680
A lot of people believe I.

596
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Would love to watch a Putin versus bin Laden judo match.

597
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:13,920
Isn't Putin judo as well?

598
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,279
Speaker 2: Dude? Putin was the head of the Judo Federation.

599
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta.

600
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: I would love the presidents to go. That'd be awesome.

601
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 1: It'd be sick. I would pay hundreds of dollars for

602
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,319
a like they're actually going at it hard pay per view.

603
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Putin might be one of the greatest athletes ever live.

604
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,640
I mean, you never seen him play hockey.

605
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh he averages eight goals a game.

606
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was scoring on no Vetchkin easy.

607
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:36,759
Speaker 1: You know Vegkins a forward.

608
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,359
Speaker 2: You know it's defense is in his priority. I get it.

609
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: So this makes Johnson vice President Johnson, although he's not

610
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,240
yet vice president. He makes him a straight up war

611
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:54,319
hero in the United States. Two interesting things a note

612
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,440
at this time as well, he'd already started his relationship

613
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,319
with Julia Chin in eighteen eleven. He was thirty one,

614
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,319
she was twenty one, and Chin's brother Daniel was with him,

615
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,400
presumably involuntarily at the battle.

616
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:09,799
Speaker 2: Wow.

617
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he got shot five times and then took

618
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,720
out to come though.

619
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had five five bullet wounds and then just peppered. Yeah,

620
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,200
like literally, and he led a suicide charge just to

621
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,359
draw fire. I mean, this guy's badass, like unquestionably at

622
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,359
least on the battlefield.

623
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,759
Speaker 2: Was he a big guy too? Was he a tank?

624
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he was also known to be hot.

625
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,480
He was a good looking man.

626
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,799
Speaker 2: He can't take out a good looking man on the battlefield, yeah.

627
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,519
Speaker 1: Can't out of respect. Can't kill your own like that.

628
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,079
It's like, hey, bro, I got you, and you just

629
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,480
blow some of his brains out. Doesn't have any fucking teeth, Yeah, Like.

630
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: That's the child, the child running away from from the

631
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:52,680
teeth here.

632
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: I'll get this guy.

633
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, Johnson or a sorry. Chin's brother Daniel

634
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,799
was with him at the battle. So it's just imagine

635
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,200
like yours fucking this Daniel by the way, also like

636
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
a white guy basically like a whole fucking family fight,

637
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,480
like this is not if that's a brother.

638
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also Octa Octa UoN group.

639
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he might have been a little more black.

640
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,920
I don't know who his father was. I don't know

641
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,559
if it was the same guy, but at least half

642
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,640
brother for sure. But like, boy, that is just like

643
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
insult to injury where it's just like you put it

644
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,279
to like you're imagine you're Daniel and you A, you're

645
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,720
a slave b your slave owners putting it to your sister.

646
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,359
And then see he turns around and is like, come on,

647
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:42,039
go into battle with me, and.

648
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: Then he's actually badass. You're fuck, I can't even take

649
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,640
him if I want to, dude, Fuck, you're just upset. Yeah,

650
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,640
you were hoping he would probably die. You see him

651
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
the first time, awesome, the fourth and the fifth time

652
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,519
he's got to go down he kills to comes.

653
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: You're like, dude, I can't win.

654
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: God's not on your side.

655
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not. So I know he literally owns that pussy.

656
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: So oh man, that's tough.

657
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,039
Speaker 2: I don't like that. It's not great.

658
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: It's not good. So also, Johnson had already been engaged,

659
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,440
I guess, and he was, like I said, apparently a

660
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
hot guy. And uh at sixteen, he got engaged and

661
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,400
he got this chick pregnant. But his mom was like,

662
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,799
she's not good enough for you. She's just a seamstress. Uh.

663
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,039
So I'm breaking this off. And Johnson, who I think

664
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,839
loved her, was pissed and vowed revenge for his mother's interference.

665
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,079
His former fiancee gave birth to a daughter, Celia. Uh,

666
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,720
and that that daughter was raised by the Johnson family.

667
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:43,279
So Celia Johnson lived, lived a nice life and everything,

668
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,119
and and but the mom interfered with his love life,

669
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,519
and he vowed, I guess, just like fuck his mom

670
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:50,240
over bye.

671
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,519
Speaker 2: So he put one in his mom's.

672
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Bag, right, do something cool. At this point, I think

673
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,880
what other vow would there be.

674
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,279
Speaker 1: It's just like, all right, I'm gonna marry a slave.

675
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,200
I guess she's too low status for me. Well check

676
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:04,720
this out.

677
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: That is one way to do it.

678
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Fuck you, mom.

679
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: It's like his emo rebellion.

680
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: Love is love, all right, you can't get in the

681
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,840
way of it.

682
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: So allegedly that is something that Johnson believed and Chin

683
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,199
as well. Like they were very they wanted they were

684
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,079
very progressive for their time in terms of like being

685
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,400
pro integracial marriage and stuff like that. Obviously they did

686
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,119
it themselves.

687
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,639
Speaker 2: Now, so did he free her? No?

688
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: No, no, Well she died in her thirties of cholera,

689
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,400
so he never had a chance. But he well, actually

690
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,599
he had a chance every day of his life.

691
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he for the ten plus years or so.

692
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he didn't know her the whole time. So

693
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,159
her dad, his dad owned her. When they started dating

694
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,840
or whatever you want to call it, his dad owned her.

695
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
But then his dad died and he owned her and

696
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,320
just kept her.

697
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: Maybe it was too much paperwork.

698
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, his version of a prenup, like, if this doesn't

699
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,360
work out, I still need to be able to own you. Yeah, exactly.

700
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,559
Speaker 1: It's not a cheap asset, I will say that. That's

701
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,679
actually why Ulysses as Grant is often shown as being

702
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,400
like like a good a good dude. Basically is that

703
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,039
he when he was broke.

704
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: His gifted a slave and he freedom immediately.

705
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: Freedom could have sold him and like solved a lot

706
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,239
of financial problems, and he was just like, I.

707
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: Can't Grant's the man freed the guy. I didn't even

708
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:31,519
know that.

709
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right.

710
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Grant was poor as fuck though for a while.

711
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,039
Yeah even after his presidency. Well yeah he went broke again.

712
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,800
But there was a minute. So he married a rich girl.

713
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,159
He married rich girl from Saint Louis.

714
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Actually he married Julia Dent in the in the Dent

715
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,880
family in Saint Louis. They were rich, she was a

716
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,400
rich girl. But you know, he wanted to make a

717
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,559
go of it for himself, and I guess.

718
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,159
Speaker 2: He sold the rights to his memoir or his autobiography

719
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,320
on a train on a napkin for like pennies and

720
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,400
then he told Mark Twain this, Mark Twin's like, you're

721
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,360
a fucking moron that that's not gonna hold up. I

722
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,000
will help you.

723
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,639
Speaker 1: With your book. Yeah, like, fuck those people, God, Grant.

724
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: I need to read that autobiography because it's got a

725
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,360
lot of Twain did a lot of rewriting.

726
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Nice love that for Twain. So where was he?

727
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Okay?

728
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: So Julia Chin and Richard now known as Colonel Dick

729
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,519
after his heroics, were in a relationship and then he

730
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:34,719
started to own her after his dad died, he treated

731
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,920
they began a long term relationship, and he treated her

732
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
as his common law wife, which was legal in Kentucky

733
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,519
at the time. Now, they could not get like go

734
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,400
to the courthouse married, go to the church Mary like official,

735
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Nobody wouldn't know that's what I Well, the thing is

736
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,079
like if you went like twenty towns. Oh well, at

737
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:51,960
this point he's famous, so maybe you couldn't even do that.

738
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,239
But everyone in the area knew who she was, So

739
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,440
you couldn't do it locally because everyone was like, that's

740
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,519
your that's your octa roon legal.

741
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: Was she about town? No, she's hanging out the house.

742
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,519
Speaker 1: No, she is about town. She's a she's absolutely about town.

743
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: Also, couldn't you put on a mustache or a hat

744
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,800
and no one would know who you are?

745
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: Literally? Yeah, So she became his common law wife. The

746
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,000
couple exchange vows at a local church with a wedding

747
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:26,199
celebration organized by the slaves on his family's plantation, and

748
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,280
they were unofficially officially married and they had two daughters.

749
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,159
And once they were married, she basically became the manager

750
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,639
of his plantations. So he was away half the year

751
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,960
because he was in the Senate at this point.

752
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,159
Speaker 2: So there are sixteenth his children.

753
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's that qualify as six daroons? I don't

754
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:50,840
even fucking know what sixteenth will be, but.

755
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,599
Speaker 3: I hope there's no term for that where someone just

756
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,519
didn't go through the time to go through right.

757
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: Every single I think it's called an Elizabeth Warren.

758
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not not inaccurate. So they they had two kids.

759
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,719
He referred to Chin as his bride, and like I said,

760
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,679
she managed his plantation, so all the business, all the money,

761
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,920
all dealing with people in town, all kinds of shit

762
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,440
like that. That's on her telling the slaves what to do.

763
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,000
On her, and we'll get into a fun little part

764
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:22,280
about it.

765
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,559
Speaker 2: She became Queen Bee pretty much.

766
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: She was, I mean, she was the miss, She was

767
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,079
the woman of the house, Like she ran the house,

768
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,679
especially while he was away, which like I said, he

769
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,679
was in Washington, DC.

770
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: And like he was super chill with all those slaves,

771
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,199
but she started to lay down the hammer. Uh, he

772
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,360
really fucked up.

773
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: We'll get to that on both fronts. But yeah, he

774
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,039
referred to Chin as his bride and never tried to

775
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,280
hide it. She was never the secret shame he took

776
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,559
her about town. Was like, this is my bride. Whatever

777
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,360
you want to judge me, fuck you, I'm a war hero. Uh.

778
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,960
At night, he liked to sit by the fireplace while

779
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,320
she played the piano, and she was reportedly very good

780
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,039
at playing the pia and both their daughters were. Because

781
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:09,320
they were only one sixteenth black, were raised as white girls,

782
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,559
educated as white girls, married into polite society, that they

783
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,480
still did have trouble, especially locally. When he spoke at

784
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:23,880
a July fourth celebration, the Lexington Obserber Lexington newspaper reported

785
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,400
that prominent white citizens wouldn't let one of his daughters

786
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,119
sit with them in the pavilion. Johnson sent his daughter

787
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,119
to the carriage to wait for him to come back

788
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,039
to check back to the fucking car and went through

789
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,559
his speech as fast as possible and then angrily drove away.

790
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,400
But the locals were like, we know, we know, get

791
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,039
the fuck out.

792
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: That's absolutely wild.

793
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way it is. You could tell if

794
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,679
someone's the sixteenth black.

795
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: Someone would literally have to tell you, literally have to

796
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,079
tell you.

797
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm still just amazed that people know this, like they

798
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,159
know who they are. I don't know the guy I

799
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,000
met five minutes ago, and I've known him for like

800
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:04,639
ten years.

801
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: I think that a smaller world back then. B he's famous,

802
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,280
so you kind of like get the gossip right, Your

803
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,880
gossip about you travels further.

804
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: How often do you even see these people? And on

805
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,400
a farm an hour away from town, I come in

806
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,599
to town. Hey, it's that one sixteenth Yeah, like no.

807
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: I think Also, you got to give credit to him

808
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,960
back then, just really racist, like really good at sniffing

809
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,039
things out like that. Yeah, something's not right here someone

810
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,199
Our former podcast co host Jake one of my favorite

811
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,000
stories ever is that he so he's a he went

812
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:41,079
to the University of Florida.

813
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,159
Speaker 2: He went to a University of Tennessee Florida game at.

814
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: At Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee, and some guy just walked by.

815
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:56,519
It goes jew, he's Jewish. This man just smelled it.

816
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,039
Speaker 2: His judar just smelled it.

817
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,159
Speaker 1: Just went off as a fucking stranger and you just

818
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,039
walk on jew. Jake said, it wasn't even mad. He

819
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,199
was just like, how did you even fucking know Jesus?

820
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: First off? Impressive? Second off, what the fuck man?

821
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: I think? Back then? You know his daughter, his white daughter,

822
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,199
walks up and they're just like mm hmmm.

823
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: I also think somebody from Tennessee would just assume anyone

824
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,360
in Florida is yeah, yeah.

825
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,199
Speaker 1: I think he's He's every literally everyone in Gaters Geary's

826
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,159
passing by is unless they're very clearly Cuban. It's just j.

827
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: And there was that one time it was an actual

828
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,079
Jew and I got him. I knew it.

829
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:44,119
Speaker 1: It pays to be a volume shooter. So even though

830
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,960
they were in love, and I do believe they were

831
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,480
in love and had a seemingly good relationship and all

832
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,719
that stuff, she tried to look out for her family,

833
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,519
but there was only so much she could do because

834
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,639
she was, you know, she was the backup quarterback on

835
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,679
the plantation. She was the she filled in. But sometimes

836
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,239
the boss man comes back and he's got to make

837
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:20,679
business decisions. In eighteen twenty one, Johnson sold her brother

838
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920
and her brother's wife to pay off some debt.

839
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: No was he bad with money.

840
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: No, we just had debt. He's like, we got to

841
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,679
pay off this credit card, babe in law.

842
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 2: Maybe he was just being a nuisance, you know.

843
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,159
Speaker 1: At one if his brother in law was the one

844
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:42,599
who actually shot to Kamsa.

845
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't want to. He was still in valor.

846
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, even if he didn't kikumsa

847
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,119
like literally still a hero of the battle, like shot

848
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,280
five times and did the charge that like broke the

849
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,519
line and all that stuff.

850
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: But his brother in law knew the truth. Yeah, I

851
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,960
need to get rid of.

852
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: How to get how to get him out of here. Also,

853
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,679
running the plant plantation wasn't always easy for Chin either,

854
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,599
uh Julia. According to one historian, when she was in charge,

855
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:17,639
when when Johnson was away, many of the male slaves,

856
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,840
the field hands, which is skip work, were refused to work.

857
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:28,199
Speaker 2: It'd be like, no, not today, substitutes here literally will

858
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:28,760
in the TV.

859
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure they were also like watching the

860
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,280
movie she was like, hey, goth, weren't need to hit

861
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,599
hit the western field and clear that out, And they're

862
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:41,079
just like, you're a slave, don't tell us what to do,

863
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,840
you bitch? Are you fucking kidding me?

864
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the boss is away, they're all gonna play exactly.

865
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: That makes sense, and it wasn't easy for her.

866
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: To get any help with it. So I guess, uh.

867
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:56,519
Speaker 2: Is this what radicalized her?

868
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:59,599
Speaker 3: She would make her nothing radicalized, So she would make

869
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,320
her kid do it, so when he got home, he

870
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,599
wasn't upset or something.

871
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,159
Speaker 1: Well, she went to her neighbors and she was like,

872
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,519
can I borrow some of your slave drivers to like

873
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,039
punish my slaves. They're being real jerks. They won't listen

874
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,840
to me. I need somebody to come whip them. And

875
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,519
they were just like, get out of here, octaroon.

876
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: No no, They're.

877
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Like, no, he ain't doing it for you.

878
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: For you, she can't win. Yeah, she's in this weird

879
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:27,599
middle ground.

880
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,159
Speaker 1: In case you think this is the worst time you've

881
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,480
in history, by the way, in case you in case

882
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,639
you're ever like, it's so hard to be alive right now.

883
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,440
This woman's married to a guy who owns her, who

884
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,800
sold her brother and her sister in law to pay

885
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,000
off a credit card, and then she has to tell

886
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,960
other people she's label with what to do. They're like

887
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,840
fuck you, and then she goes to try to get

888
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,719
someone else to punish them. But rob was it her fault?

889
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Did she have you know taste that cost him? Oh?

890
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Was she spending?

891
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,559
Speaker 2: Maybe she was spending And he's like, all right, only

892
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:11,480
way I can pay for her spending habit is selling.

893
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,119
Speaker 1: Her brother the T shirt slaves be shopping.

894
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: No, it's not sure. I don't think anyone will wear that.

895
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's yeah, it's that bitches be shopping. Yeah,

896
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,760
who knows. Maybe she was spending a little too much money.

897
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,119
I doubt it, But I don't know either way, because

898
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:32,320
she did live like truly, she lived aside from the

899
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,440
elephant in the room like, but her day to day

900
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,079
life was literally that of a woman of the plantation,

901
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,360
you know what I mean, like the wife of the plantation.

902
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,719
She just lived that life. She just happened to have

903
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,000
a fun little asterisk on it.

904
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough, it's.

905
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Not what you want.

906
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: She wasn't getting her hands dirty though.

907
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:54,519
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. And I believe her brother. I

908
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,400
don't remember for sure, but I believe her brother worked

909
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,880
in the house. He was not a field hand.

910
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: I would hope.

911
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,039
Speaker 3: So after serving with your owner, be like, hey, dude,

912
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:02,519
can I get in that.

913
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,159
Speaker 1: I think he was kind of like gonna help out

914
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,760
a little bit. It wouldn't surprise me if he was

915
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,119
kind of like Johnson's like valet, you know what I mean,

916
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,519
his squire. Yeah, like just to clean in his kit

917
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,440
at the end of a day and taking care of

918
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:18,400
the horse like I have to making his food like

919
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
I have to imagine not anymore because he got sold

920
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,519
him to the worst possible situation.

921
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,159
Speaker 2: What he's whoever he sold him to?

922
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah now but during the war, I think that's

923
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,519
what his situation probably was. Real quick before keep going,

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and so forth. Eventually he loses his Senate seat. Johnson

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does in eighteen twenty eight, and he was really really

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hoping to be a vice presidential candidate for Andrew Jackson.

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He was a big at this point, depopulist, big democrat,

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big populist. Jackson's his fucking guy. Uh, and Andrew Jackson

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is literally the Donald Trump of the nineteenth century. Like

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that's all you know.

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Speaker 2: They're both war heroes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh oh, I'll talk about Trump for a second. Yeah, yeah,

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they are both war heroes. But uh, since he was

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so openly married to his slave, people were like that

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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,159
ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Jackson had a Native kid, yeah, but he stole them,

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he raised him.

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00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't fuck him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really his only Jackson had a couple kids,

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00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,840
but that was really his only kid.

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Speaker 1: It just didn't I mean, maybe there's just too much missigenation,

1036
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I guess for an eighteen twenty eight ticket, if you

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have both of them on it, you know what I

1038
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mean a little too much race mix it. You have

1039
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a little, not a lot. But Jackson didn't pick him

1040
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because he was so openly married to Chin and they

1041
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were like, dude, they're gonna kill us.

1042
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: With this, I know, especially that election with Quincy. Yeah,

1043
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,639
just dragging Jackson's name through the mudd already calling his

1044
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:28,280
wife a whore.

1045
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have made it. They would have

1046
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,159
had a fucking field day.

1047
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,639
Speaker 2: Quincy literally said your wife is too big of a

1048
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:36,679
whore to being the White House.

1049
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: To Andrew Jackson, what a fun guy, What a fun

1050
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,119
thing to say.

1051
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: It was.

1052
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: That's another thing. So people now will be like, these

1053
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,599
are the mean as the election and not wrong. These

1054
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have been the last three have been the three dirtiest

1055
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elections of my life without not even close. But the

1056
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eighteen twenty eight election is like, it's like the twenty

1057
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seven Yankees. I mean, it's like the goat fucking mean election.

1058
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,639
Speaker 2: Mean campaign, mudslinging left and rounds, just crazy shit.

1059
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,079
Speaker 1: And again, so Jackson didn't put him on the ticket

1060
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,679
because he was like, I'm gonna get killed if my

1061
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,119
fucking running mate is married to a slave. I know

1062
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:24,880
he's a war hero, but that's a lot. But it

1063
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,320
wasn't a lot forever U.

1064
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:32,639
Speaker 2: Because Van Buren boys, he.

1065
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:33,519
Speaker 1: Gets another shot.

1066
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: Now.

1067
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:39,079
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Julia Chin does die before he becomes vice president.

1068
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,719
In eighteen thirty three, there was a cholera outbreak in

1069
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,599
the area. Julia was a really good nurse as well

1070
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,079
as a lot of other things. And they had a

1071
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:50,599
school on their property for Choctaw Indians, and so she

1072
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:52,800
cared for a lot of the sick kids who like

1073
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,960
because colera just swept through it the whole area and

1074
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:00,679
their school and stuff like that. Obviously, unfortunately, she caught

1075
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cholera while treating these kids and died of it in

1076
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eighteen thirty three, and Johnson was like very upset. I mean,

1077
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,679
he loved her, like he was he grieved like deeply

1078
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:17,719
over this very very much bummed him out. But even

1079
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:24,079
though Julia Chin did die, her death or their relationship

1080
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,880
still I guess haunted his political career. He did end

1081
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,599
up getting Martin van Martin van Buren's VP spot, specifically

1082
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:36,199
because he was a war hero, specifically because everyone thought

1083
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,159
Martin van Buren, even though he was Jackson's hand picked

1084
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,719
successor politically, people were like Van Buren's a pussy, Like

1085
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,800
he's soft hands.

1086
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,199
Speaker 2: We can't we need a guy with edge.

1087
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need It's the same thing it's like with

1088
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,400
like Kamala Harris running for example, right, It's like, okay,

1089
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,400
she's a like black check, who's like from California.

1090
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: We need them.

1091
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, Midwestern White may under get it, you know what

1092
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,480
I mean, balance it out.

1093
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,039
Speaker 2: We need his hands out there. Yeah, we need a

1094
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:04,360
badass Tim Walls.

1095
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:06,639
Speaker 1: I mean but they I think they thought that because

1096
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,920
of football, which is sort of in the military, like

1097
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,039
and like semi veteran. Yeah exactly, Yeah, no, that is

1098
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,960
the same thinking. It was the same thinking here with it.

1099
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: I think the most egregious part was he stole head

1100
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coach Valor's just a DC.

1101
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, coordinators win you.

1102
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: Hey, AOC can run a mean pick six play or whatever.

1103
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: He tweeted. That wasn't him as his intern.

1104
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was his dumbas. It was some dumbass on

1105
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,760
the campaign who doesn't know anything about football. I'm confident

1106
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,920
he knows what a six is.

1107
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: I really hope so. But it worked in like everyone

1108
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:40,360
else's favor to be like.

1109
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, you suck. You have no idea what you're

1110
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:42,679
talking about.

1111
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't. Can't let that go.

1112
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he served in Italy.

1113
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: And he oh, he made some other false things. Well,

1114
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,159
he mentioned being in Iraq at one point, but he

1115
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:55,480
was a senator at that point.

1116
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,639
Speaker 1: He said, his wife give you know he's a raper.

1117
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, his wife gave birth through I v F. Yes, yeah,

1118
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:05,400
there was.

1119
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: There was a few military things that didn't add up

1120
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,280
that I just didn't really care.

1121
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: But his wife was like, no, that that didn't happen. Yeah,

1122
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
he's a pathological liars, but like dumb things a couple

1123
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:15,280
of times.

1124
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to what if he was just

1125
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,159
he should have just come out and like, yeah, I

1126
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:27,199
v F in vagina fuckers. Yeah, but this is the

1127
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,679
same situation, right, the Van Buren's a pussy. Van Muran

1128
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,000
is a soft hands and they need a guy with edge, right,

1129
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,400
And Johnson has been a true blue member of the

1130
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,199
Democratic Party, war hero like, served in the Senate, served

1131
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,280
in the House, all this ship. Uh, pro slavery obviously,

1132
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,679
so that's helpful as well for the Southern States and

1133
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,280
stuff like that. So he gets it.

1134
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,519
Speaker 2: He's very pro slavery.

1135
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, dude, he's in there. You don't even

1136
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:03,079
understand how into slavery I am. Johnson's campaign slogan was

1137
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:07,719
actually rumsy dumpsy Johnson killed to cumpsy.

1138
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. We're trying a little too hard

1139
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,320
there with the rhymes.

1140
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: I think he probably played better back then. Yeah, still though,

1141
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,760
got dragged because he still had his kids.

1142
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,119
Speaker 2: Who were sixteenth black.

1143
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so political cartoons depicted his ex wife and his

1144
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,519
daughters as like black black, like offensively black. Ye got

1145
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:38,000
killed for that. Southern newspapers called him the great Amalgamationist,

1146
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:44,280
and his marriage to Julia Chin, who was dead for

1147
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:49,360
years at this point, was so controversial that even though

1148
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,280
Van Buren got one hundred and seventy electoral votes for president,

1149
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:57,920
Johnson only received one hundred and forty seven for vice president.

1150
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,559
He did not meet the threshold to become vice president

1151
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,760
because the Virginia electors were like, fuck that he married

1152
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,639
a black chick, Fuck that we are not putting him

1153
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,800
into office. They would not vote for him. So he

1154
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,360
was one electoral vote short. Actually so he is to

1155
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:25,039
this day. Johnson is the only vice president ever elected

1156
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:27,880
to the position by the Senate. The Senate had to

1157
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,320
vote on it to put him in. There a twelfth Amendment,

1158
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,400
like we were talking about if Trump and Kamala tide,

1159
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,599
they had to use the twelfth Amendment to elect a

1160
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:42,239
vice president. Since Democrats had the majority, he got in,

1161
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:44,000
but the electors wouldn't do it.

1162
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: And that's huge, And we also still don't know who

1163
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:46,679
he is.

1164
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,119
Speaker 1: We still the only guy, the only guy he fucking

1165
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:56,039
killed nineteenth century Bin Luden. We don't fucking know his name.

1166
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,199
Speaker 2: Does he remarry?

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Speaker 1: I wish so much worse than that? What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, mean he just runs through him now.

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Speaker 1: His time we'll get to it. His time as vice

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president was pretty whatever, and the and his being married

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to Julia chen Chin was so bad that, uh, they

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kicked him off the ticket for reelection. They were like,

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we're not gonna win again if you'll now. They didn't

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win again anyway, and beer and lost, but they kicked

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They did not nominate Johnson again for VP. Uh, they

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just literally didn't pick a VP. And Andrew Jackson was like,

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we gotta kick him off the ticket. He'll yeah, he'll

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be dead weight if he's on the ticket, Like, he'll

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he'll kill us. There are no records that remain that

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were written by Chin or her two daughters. Historians believe

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that Johnson's brothers after his death, destroyed pretty much all

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of his archives, the letters, his will, everything, uh for

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off so that they could take ship from his daughters,

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so his daughters wouldn't get the money that they would

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his daughter's free his daughter for free? Okay, they were

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free and married and everything. And also they were just

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embarrassed that he married a slave.

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Speaker 2: God could you imagine though, if he dies and his

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brothers just sell off his daughters their nieces.

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Speaker 1: Well, they were free the whole time, so you couldn't

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do it.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't put it past me for other people doing

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that at those times, though, No, I can see.

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Speaker 2: Oh fuck, all right, they destroyed all his documentation.

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Speaker 1: They destroyed it. There's like there was I.

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Speaker 2: Imagine they had to have papers saying these are free women,

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even though they're certainly white as fuck.

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Speaker 1: They weren't even born I guess since they were born

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to a slave, he could have claimed them as slaves,

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but he never did. They were free citizens of the

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United States the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Claim them as dependents.

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Speaker 1: I mean he did claim them as dependence. Yeah, they

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were dependents, certainly, they just didn't work for him.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So there's not a lot known about Chin. Obviously, there's

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a ton known about Johnson because he's was a vice president,

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a war hero, all this shit. Now we don't know

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his name because no one will remember you again, Never

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forget that this man's this man has just like towering

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achievements in life. Right war hero killed a very famous

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enemy of the United States senator, congressman, vice president.

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Speaker 2: Progressive dating a black woman, marrying a black woman, not

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foring a black woman.

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Speaker 1: Though, Nope. So after Chin's death, Colonel Dick kept hooking

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up with slaves, and these relationships sounded less chill than

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the other one.

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Speaker 2: No, he was just hate fucking them. I hate, but

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like probably grieve them all. Is that worse? I think

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it's worse.

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Speaker 1: All I know for sure is after Chid's death, Johnson

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began rape.

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Speaker 2: What grieve rape?

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Speaker 1: I kind of probably, I don't know for sure, but

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Johnson began hooking up with another of his slaves. But she,

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in the boldest move I've ever heard in my life,

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dumped him and started dating another.

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Speaker 2: Guy, another slave or another I.

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Speaker 1: Think another slave, but maybe it was another fucking freak guy.

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I don't know. I didn't get that. I didn't have

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that information.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean we need to see other people? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you understand the dynamic?

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Speaker 2: He technically are my people? Yeah?

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:52,559
Speaker 1: Well he didn't take too kindly to this breakup. Now,

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,639
a lot of bad boyfriends, you know, at bad ex boyfriends.

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01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,840
I should say this one wins. Probably I killed her. No,

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01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,039
that happens all the time.

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01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: Right, sold her? Boyfriend sold her.

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Speaker 1: She broke up with him and he was like, you

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01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,920
break up with me, and then he's I'll do you

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,480
one better, and I bring up with you. He sold her. Yeah,

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01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,760
he sold her, and then he started banging her sister. Oh,

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01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:22,840
who was also a slave at his plantation.

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,199
Speaker 2: Obviously, and she just saw what happened. She's like, I

1246
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,480
probably shouldn't say no.

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01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I can't break up with this one.

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01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you. He eventually died in uh what

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:43,079
he eighteen fifty? He was like seventy years old, it's

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01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:47,760
about it. Let rest of his life fairly quiet. Had

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,239
a stroke whatever, and yeah, he's buried in Frankfort, Kentucky.

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01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:57,920
That is the story of the vice president, the first

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01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:02,679
vice president married to a woman of color. Old Colonel

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01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:05,800
Dick Mentor Johnson had a taste for it and his

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01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,159
wife Julia Chin did you guys learn today?

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01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: Learn about this guy had no idea who he was,

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01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:19,199
And I learned that there are some power dynamics in

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01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:25,239
relationships that probably shouldn't exist.

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01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:25,679
Speaker 1: Like owner property.

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he probably don't marry your property.

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01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,559
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're that guy who focks his car

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01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:32,440
that I don't care.

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,159
Speaker 2: Even then I feel bad for the car.

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01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: You don't know what that car is thinking.

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01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: Neither do you.

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01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: I learned that I learned who killed Dacumza, which is

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01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,320
very shocking because no one knew who he was.

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01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:49,039
Speaker 2: It was his brother in law.

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01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,119
Speaker 3: But also, yeah, I also just relearned how shitty life

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was for a lot of people back then.

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01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I just gonna reminded of like, fuck all that sucked.

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01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:03,840
That was a terrible thing. Oh, I guess.

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01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: He also got elected to the at Kentucky House one

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,519
more time in eighteen fifty when he died, and he

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01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:11,559
was just like, I don't know how he got He

1276
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,000
was just like addled with dementia at this point, just

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01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:18,840
like and the Louisville Daily Journal wrote, Colonel Johnson is

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,599
laboring under an attack of dementia, which renders him totally

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01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:24,119
unfit for business. It is painful to see him on

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01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:26,800
the floor attempting to discharge the duties of a member.

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01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,480
He is incapable of properly exercising his physical and mental powers.

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01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,519
Then he stroked out in November and died.

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01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,559
Speaker 3: Is it Jimmy Carter that we should bring back now?

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01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:37,519
Speaker 1: Yes, Jimmy should be president again.

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01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: Now. Did they refer to him as colonel the rest

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01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,280
of his life? Yes, that's sick, that's sweet, that is cool.

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01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,360
Colonel Dick dick Man.

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01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a double colonel, because

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,239
there's Kentucky colonels, but there's also military colonel. He was

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,679
a colonel in the in the army. I don't know

1291
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:59,119
he also became a Kentucky colonel like Colonel Sanders. But yeah,

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01:05:59,159 --> 01:05:59,760
that's his story.

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01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:01,559
Speaker 2: He's all dressed up in white.

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01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's today's hitler?

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01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,239
Speaker 3: I would go with the people at the table who

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,519
wouldn't let his daughter sit with them? All those people

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01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:16,280
you're not enough. Yeah, that's my hitler.

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01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: I think I want to say this guy because he

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01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:23,400
sold his brother in law, he didn't free his wife,

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01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:26,280
and then he had some questionable hookups after.

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,159
Speaker 3: Well again, paperwork for that might be too much. He's

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01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,800
a busy guy. You know, in ten years you might not.

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: Be able to get it done. Also, a total liability.

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01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,559
That's why he wasn't up for reelection. He got dumped

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01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:45,599
by his party.

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,559
Speaker 1: And stole valor, and he said in his own defense,

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01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:53,199
he said, unlike Jefferson, Clay Poindexter and others, I married

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01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,559
my wife under the eyes of God. And apparently he

1309
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:57,719
has found no objections. So he's like, yeah, I fucking

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,960
did it, and I fucking owned it. Fuck you and

1311
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,800
owned it. Two meetings there, like he owned up to it,

1312
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:12,199
but he owned her her as well. People were also pissed.

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01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:14,000
I guess that he tried to introduce his daughters to

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01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,079
polite society. Like people were like, data is a bridge

1315
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:18,119
too far, buddy.

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01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: They're not one of us. We know it. They're wearing

1317
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,039
like really nice Victorian dresses. Yeah, they got like umbrellas

1318
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:31,960
that they're holding up. Yep. They're like, wait a minute,

1319
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:33,480
something's not right here.

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01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,679
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find trying too hard

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,159
a picture of one of his daughters, because they obviously

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01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:41,360
lived into the time of.

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,559
Speaker 2: Photography, Like, is that hair a little mappy?

1324
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean this is by the way, this is a painting.

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01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:51,880
Let me show you the difference between the actual painting

1326
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,360
of Julia Chin and the uh political cartoon.

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is Julia Chin painting of let's see

1328
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,239
it super white. It's a white woman yeah.

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,119
Speaker 1: This is the political cartoon.

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01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:14,599
Speaker 2: Oh no, it looks like a Haitian witch. Yeah. Yeah

1331
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,079
with the shower cap duv.

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,119
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, she's talking to dead animals and crystals and

1334
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:24,399
stuff pretty much.

1335
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:26,239
Speaker 1: Dan, did you give a hitler?

1336
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: Okay, did you give a hit who's your hitler?

1338
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Yeah, the people that wouldn't let her the

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,239
daughters sit with him.

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01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's all I got for today.

1341
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: Fun stuff.

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, good times. So when you think of ushavntce, remember

1343
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:42,960
Julia Chin. Remember her name.

1344
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: Is there an implication there that you're trying to put

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,720
on No.

1346
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just saying, remember Julia Chin. She's she's

1347
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,680
gonna get some some shit stolen from her soon.

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 3: Also surprised she was an Asian?

1349
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: What Julia Chin? I mean, it's I guess, I don't know.

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: I don't know where that name came from.

1351
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, wild random ass name. Well for Dan or

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01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,760
Jester and Scott Lopez.

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Speaker 2: You can still use the app on your phone. Just

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make sure when you pay to do it through either

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Do it through a browser on your laptop or on Europe.

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