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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking

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<v Speaker 1>killers in true crime history and the authors that have

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<v Speaker 1>written about them Gaesy Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK. Every

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<v Speaker 1>week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and

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<v Speaker 1>infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host,

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<v Speaker 1>journalist and author Dan Zufanski.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening, Power, Privilege and Blood. This is the definitive

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<v Speaker 2>and thrilling true story of Alex Murdau's violent downfall from

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<v Speaker 2>a veteran Wall Street journal reporters become an authority on

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<v Speaker 2>the case. Alex Murdau was a benevolent dictator, resident of

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<v Speaker 2>the South Carolina Trial Lawyers Association, a political boss, a

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<v Speaker 2>part time prosecutor, and a partner in his family's law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always ready with a favor, a drink, and

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<v Speaker 2>an invitation to Mozelle, his family's seventeen hundred acre hunting estate.

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<v Speaker 2>The murder name ignited respect and fear for one hundred miles.

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<v Speaker 2>When he murdered his wife Maggie and son Paul at

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<v Speaker 2>Mozelle on a dark summer night, the fragile facade of

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<v Speaker 2>Alex's world could no longer hold his forefathers had covered

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<v Speaker 2>up a midnight suicide at a remote railroad, crossing, a

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<v Speaker 2>bootlegging ring run from a courthouse, and the attempted murder

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<v Speaker 2>of a pregnant lover. Alex, too almost walked away from

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<v Speaker 2>his unspeakable crimes, with his reputation intact, But his downfall

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<v Speaker 2>was secured by a twist of fate, some stray mistakes,

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<v Speaker 2>and a fateful decision by an old friend who'd finally

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<v Speaker 2>seen enough. Why would a man who at everything kill

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<v Speaker 2>his wife and grown son. To unwind the roots of

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<v Speaker 2>Alex's room, Award winning journalist Valerie Borlin reported not just

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<v Speaker 2>from the court house every day, but also along the

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<v Speaker 2>back roads and through the tidal marshes of South Carolina's

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<v Speaker 2>Low Country. When the jurors made their pilgrimage to the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene, trying to envision Maggie and Paul's last moments,

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<v Speaker 2>she walked right behind them, sensing the ghosts that haunt

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<v Speaker 2>the murdas now shattered legacy. Through masterful research and cinematic writing,

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<v Speaker 2>The Devil at His Elbow is a transporting journey through

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<v Speaker 2>Alex's life, the night of the murders and the investigation

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<v Speaker 2>that culminated in a trial that held tens of millions spellbound.

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<v Speaker 2>With their stunning insights and fearless instinct for the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Borline uncovers layers of the Murdaw mystery case that have

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<v Speaker 2>not been told. The book that we're featuring this evening

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<v Speaker 2>is The Devil at His Elbow Alex Murda and the

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<v Speaker 2>Fall of a Southern Dynasty, with my special guest, National

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<v Speaker 2>affairs reporter for The Wall Street Journal and author Valerie Borline.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for this interview and welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the program. Valerie Borline, good morning, Good morning, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for this interview, and congratulations on this book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Devil at His Elbow.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us how you came to be involved with this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm from the South. I grew up one county

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<v Speaker 3>north of the South Carolina line in North Carolina, and

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<v Speaker 3>so i have followed politics in South Carolina for a

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<v Speaker 3>really long time. I used to work in Colombia and

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<v Speaker 3>the capitol, and so I'm very familiar with kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the collegiate. I guess I could call it collegial would

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<v Speaker 3>be the term of art, but really the good old

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<v Speaker 3>boy system that still is pervasive in South Carolina politics,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I follow I follow South Carolina stories as

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<v Speaker 3>part of my job at the Wall Street Journal, and

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<v Speaker 3>this story was percolating for a couple of years. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there was the boat crash in twenty nineteen that I

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<v Speaker 3>was aware of, involving the death of Mallory Beach, and

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<v Speaker 3>then when the homicides happened, it was really shocking. So

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't national news immediately in the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>country or the rest of the world, but in South

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<v Speaker 3>Carolina it was big news when Maggie and Paul Murdoch

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<v Speaker 3>were killed on June seventh. So I was following along

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<v Speaker 3>and just out of interest, really, and a top at

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<v Speaker 3>of mine at the Journal reached out and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>are you following this case in South Carolina? And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, I'm aware of it, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure what the Wall Street Journal version of this is, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we care about business and we care about power,

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<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't immediately clear to me, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a Wall Street Journal story. And he's like, Val, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes a great story is just a freaking great story,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was right, and so I actually it was

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<v Speaker 3>on my radar very early on in June of twenty

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<v Speaker 3>in July of twenty twenty one, so it came on

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<v Speaker 3>my radar out of interest and then also just because

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<v Speaker 3>it was pretty clear immediately that this was a really

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating story.

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<v Speaker 2>You say your book is based on hundreds of hours

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<v Speaker 2>of interviews and includes scenes witnessed over four months of

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<v Speaker 2>reporting in South Carolina. You were in the courtroom for

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<v Speaker 2>every major moment in Alex's legal saga, from his initial

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<v Speaker 2>bond hearing in October twenty twenty one to his hearing

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<v Speaker 2>on his request for a new trial in January twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four. In this book project, you found out

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<v Speaker 2>really what the Murdoch family represented in this area in

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. Tell us what you found about that family.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we talk about the events preceding the murder,

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<v Speaker 2>you talked about the boat crash in twenty nineteen. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing this interview considering that many most people that

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<v Speaker 2>will listen to this story have a certain grasp of

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<v Speaker 2>the story from certain things like the Netflix series and

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<v Speaker 2>various podcasts and just the social media itself and reporting

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<v Speaker 2>well I found.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it may be surprising to those of us

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<v Speaker 3>that live in cities, but I don't think it's really

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<v Speaker 3>super surprising to people that live in small towns or

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<v Speaker 3>rural areas that it's still common, particularly in the Deep South,

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<v Speaker 3>to have one family or kind of one, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one political boss maybe that runs things, that's the patron.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I found in Hampton, South Carolina, where this

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<v Speaker 3>story is set, the Murdoch family had been that family

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<v Speaker 3>for more than one hundred years. And you just can't

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<v Speaker 3>overstate the case. Right if you wanted to be not

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<v Speaker 3>just run for sheriff, but if you wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>a sheriff's deputy, if you wanted to be a county commissioner,

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<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to work for the local road department.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you want it, particularly if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to run for judge, you had to have the blessing

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<v Speaker 3>of the Murdochs. And they ran the civil justice side.

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<v Speaker 3>They ran this big, powerful law firm that was by

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<v Speaker 3>far the economic engine of Hampton, but they also ran

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<v Speaker 3>the criminal courts, so they had immense amountpower if you

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<v Speaker 3>were if they could make they could make a dui

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<v Speaker 3>go away, they could make you know they could make

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<v Speaker 3>more serious things go away, and then if you happen

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<v Speaker 3>to be on a jury later, or a family member was,

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<v Speaker 3>you might remember that they did you a favor. So

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<v Speaker 3>what I found was that this family had a huge

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<v Speaker 3>amount of influence and power in the community where they

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<v Speaker 3>operated for one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about the situation in terms of you said

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<v Speaker 2>he was the law. The Murdoch was the law. But

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<v Speaker 2>tell us about his law firm. And before we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this boat.

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<v Speaker 3>Crash, well, the law firm Hampton, South Carolina, and really

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<v Speaker 3>the entire kind of five counties where the Murdochs were

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<v Speaker 3>most powerful in the southeastern corner of South Carolina. It's

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<v Speaker 3>very rural, it's very poor, it's predominantly black for the

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<v Speaker 3>most part. And the law firm is a play. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a personal injury firm where you don't necessarily hire a

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<v Speaker 3>law You don't hire our lawyer at the hourly rate, right,

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<v Speaker 3>not like you would think about it. But if there's

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<v Speaker 3>a bad wreck or God forbid a fatality, you would

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<v Speaker 3>hire the Murdoch law firm and pay them forty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of whatever judgment you might get. And in a place

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<v Speaker 3>where the road are really some of the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States, and in this part of of

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<v Speaker 3>the country, in the place where very blue collar, so

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the jobs are quite dangerous. There is

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<v Speaker 3>an immense amount of personal injury work. And the law

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<v Speaker 3>firm just became this behemoth in our part of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>in the rural south. And you know they if you

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<v Speaker 3>go to Hampton, I can see it in my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this. It's this poor downtown, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of streets, most of them boarded up, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>have this three million dollar, you know, brick edifice that

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<v Speaker 3>that's built to last forever. And in keeping with their

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<v Speaker 3>history of a one hundred years, they've always said they

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to be so well known. They never have to

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<v Speaker 3>hang a shingle. And there's no sign out front. Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>just knows that's the Mordocoli Firm, you know it for

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred miles. That's where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's get to this fast forward for our audience

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a boat crash involving his son. So

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<v Speaker 2>what happens in this boat crash, but also what is

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<v Speaker 2>the reaction and what is the behavior from Alex Murdach.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the boat crash is the lynchpin that that changes

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<v Speaker 3>everything for the Murdoch family. The boat crash happened in

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<v Speaker 3>February of twenty nineteen. There were three young couples going

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<v Speaker 3>out and it's called Wright. It's February going out on

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<v Speaker 3>a boat to an oyster roast, which is a big,

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<v Speaker 3>a big party in the low Country. And they took

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<v Speaker 3>the boat to avoid DUI checkpoints, to avoid getting pulled

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<v Speaker 3>over because they were all underage and they knew they

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<v Speaker 3>were going to be drinking. And so Paul Murdoch, who

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<v Speaker 3>was Alex's younger son, he was nineteen at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>was driving his father's boat and they went to the

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<v Speaker 3>six young people went to this this oyster roast. They

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<v Speaker 3>drank a lot of beer over time. The evidence shows

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<v Speaker 3>that Paul had nineteen drinks in the course of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>eight hours or however long it was. And then on

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<v Speaker 3>the way back, Paul and particular was very drunk and

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<v Speaker 3>very belligerent and started getting angry at the other young

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<v Speaker 3>people in the boat. Is driving erratically and eventually even

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<v Speaker 3>confronts his girlfriend who's trying to get him to calm down.

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<v Speaker 3>He slaps her face, he spits on her. This ride

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<v Speaker 3>is going horribly awry at two o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>in the dark, in the cold, on the waterways in

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<v Speaker 3>and sped up the boat to twenty nine miles an

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<v Speaker 3>hour and hit at full force, hit the pilings of

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<v Speaker 3>a bridge and crashed. And three of the young people

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<v Speaker 3>went to the water, and one of them, Mallory Beach,

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<v Speaker 3>who was nineteen, never surfaced and she drowned. And so

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<v Speaker 3>this creates just a catastrophic event, not just for the

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<v Speaker 3>life of her family, who was devastated, but also for

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<v Speaker 3>the Murdocks because by this point Elec Murdoch had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of secrets, and this boat crash involving his son

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<v Speaker 3>threatened to have them all pouring out into the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides the a ensuing lawsuit that Alec Murdoch fears on

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<v Speaker 2>behalf of his son, what does he do to try

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<v Speaker 2>to cover up the crime?

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Yeah, they're kind of two main threats to Elick

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<v Speaker 3>Murdoch at this point. He's a personal injury lawyer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>he knows immediately there's the threat of a civil lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>he has filed. He has filed himself lawsuits involving boat wrecks.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows the stakes if he isssued, what secrets could

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<v Speaker 3>come out in terms of his financial his financial crimes

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<v Speaker 3>that he's been committee for a decade at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>But even more than that, the more immediate threat the

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<v Speaker 3>night it's you know, two twenty in the morning when

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<v Speaker 3>this happens. Elick Murdoch is at the hospital in Beaufort,

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<v Speaker 3>South Carolina, in a little over an hour. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's more than an hour away. He drove hugely fast

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<v Speaker 3>to get to the hospital with his father, Randolph Murdoch,

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<v Speaker 3>the third who is the most recent prosecutor in that area,

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<v Speaker 3>because the snakes are for his son, Paul Murdoch. If

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<v Speaker 3>she did drown, Alec the driver of the boat, would

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutors they prosecuted those types of cases. So what he

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<v Speaker 3>needs to do immediately after the boat wreck in the

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<v Speaker 3>other end people in the boat and get their story

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<v Speaker 3>straight and so confusion about who's driving. To protect his

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<v Speaker 3>son from a long bid in South Carolina prison, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a place it's very difficult to be It's not

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<v Speaker 3>of just conditions. Right, he was trying to spare him that,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he was also trying to spare all these

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<v Speaker 3>evidence shows he really did that very effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, you said that he also had secrets regarding the

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<v Speaker 2>financial crimes that he had perpetrated on his clients, and

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<v Speaker 2>we find out his own law firm for over ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell us about that other pressure and where was

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<v Speaker 2>he feeling that pressure from specifically.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Alec was living two lives at least, But on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface he was a hail fellow, well met he

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<v Speaker 3>was everybody was like, hey bo, which is a Southern thing,

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<v Speaker 3>hey bo, how you doing. He was everybody's best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>He you know, if you look at pictures, he's always

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<v Speaker 3>got his arms slung around the person next to him.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the life of the party and the big

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<v Speaker 3>That's the surface, but underneath he has been stealing at

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<v Speaker 3>this point twenty nineteen from his clients for well over

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<v Speaker 3>ten years. He was, you know, this personal injury lawyer,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would meet clients who were at their lowest moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Right they've been through something catastrophic, either they or a

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<v Speaker 3>them at a time where they really need an ally.

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<v Speaker 3>And he is a person with a reputation whose firm

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<v Speaker 3>has a as a stellar reputation for helping people. And

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<v Speaker 3>so what he was doing at that time was taking

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<v Speaker 3>vulnerable moment. And for example, he had clients who were

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<v Speaker 3>motherless girls. Their mother had been killed in a terrible

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<v Speaker 3>word explorer wreck on I ninety five going through South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, he was he told them one thing,

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<v Speaker 3>that he got them all this money, and then he

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<v Speaker 3>was taking their money over the course of years, and

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<v Speaker 3>he would tell clients that he got them a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll never believe I got you a million dollars. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>else could have done that for you. And they're thrilled, right,

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<v Speaker 3>they get, you know, sixty percent of a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>because what he got three million dollars. Not only did

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<v Speaker 3>he take his forty percent fee, he took the delta

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<v Speaker 3>from what he told them he had. So he was

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<v Speaker 3>robbing his clients at that point and knew it, and

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<v Speaker 3>knew that if anybody started looking into his bank accounts

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<v Speaker 3>and records they would find evidence of that. So he

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<v Speaker 3>had those secrets to keep that night as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You write about Jane Seconder, which is the chief financial

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<v Speaker 2>officer at his law firm, tell us about this rather

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<v Speaker 2>large check discrepancy.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, So Genie secondary was is a formidable woman. She's

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<v Speaker 3>the chief, the chief financial officer at the law firm.

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<v Speaker 3>And she also has known Alex since high school. You

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<v Speaker 3>can look at their high school in yearbook and she's

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<v Speaker 3>on the home court. He was the prom king, he

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<v Speaker 3>was the quarterback. They've known each other forever and they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're in each other's circle social circles in this small town.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jeannie knows him as a bullshit artist, is what

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<v Speaker 3>she is. What she calls him going way back, but

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<v Speaker 3>he is he's the great grandson of the founder of

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<v Speaker 3>this law firm. He's a partner, his brother's a partner,

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<v Speaker 3>his father's in the law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Gives him a certain amount of deference, but his finances

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<v Speaker 3>have always been a little bit hinky within the law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 3>He had been fudging expenses on his credit card. So

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<v Speaker 3>she's a little bit got her, you know her, she's

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<v Speaker 3>she's a little bit sensitive to what he's doing to

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<v Speaker 3>start with. And then there's this matter of a big

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<v Speaker 3>missing fee, the seven hundred and ninety two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>fee that was that was due to the law firm

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<v Speaker 3>from a case that Eleck was involved with, and the

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<v Speaker 3>check for the expenses came in, but the check for

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<v Speaker 3>the fee itself didn't come in, and typically at the

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<v Speaker 3>law firm, those two checks would come in together. So

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<v Speaker 3>she's looking for this seven hundred and ninety two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that's missing. His peer legal had been asking Eleck

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<v Speaker 3>about it for a number of weeks and he's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of been putting her off. And finally on June seventh

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty one, Genie really needs to figure this out.

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<v Speaker 3>She's got to reconcile the books, so she she goes

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<v Speaker 3>to Elec's office and he's standing outside the foul cabinet,

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<v Speaker 3>leaning on the foul cabinet, talking to people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>shooting the breeze. And she walks up to him and

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<v Speaker 3>she's she's about as big as a minute. She's she's

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<v Speaker 3>she's petite, and he's six foot four and he's too,

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<v Speaker 3>sixty five a two hundred and sixty five pounds at

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<v Speaker 3>this point. And she said he gave her a look

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<v Speaker 3>just like a like a look that just told her

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<v Speaker 3>to kiss off, and a dirty look, like the like

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<v Speaker 3>the kind she'd never seen from him, and said, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you want from me now? And she said, I

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<v Speaker 3>need to need, I need to talk to you. And

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<v Speaker 3>so they go into his office and close the door

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<v Speaker 3>and she confronts him. She says, oh, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask

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<v Speaker 3>you about this missing money. I've got to get a

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<v Speaker 3>straight answer from you. And when you know, right then

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<v Speaker 3>the phone rings and it's his older brother calling to

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<v Speaker 3>tell them that their father, Randolf Murdock third, is at

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<v Speaker 3>the end. He's been he's been dying over the course

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<v Speaker 3>of months. He's finally close to the end. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>rushing him to the hospital. So there's this there's this

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<v Speaker 3>crisis that afternoon at work where he's finally confronted not

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<v Speaker 3>about the boat rack necessarily in all those finances, but

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<v Speaker 3>about a separate matter of seven hundred and ninety two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars that he is that's missing from the law firm.

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<v Speaker 3>And he narrowly escapes a really difficult conversation because another

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<v Speaker 3>crisis in his life, his father, his protector, is dying.

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<v Speaker 2>You take us to June seventh, and Alex is at

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<v Speaker 2>this property called Moselle and he went out and he

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<v Speaker 2>saw Blanca. Can you tell us what Blanca found regarding

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<v Speaker 2>Randolph Murdoch IID and some of his medication.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure. So, Blanca Simpson is a hugely important person in

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<v Speaker 3>the life of the family. Blanc is sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>glue that holds their home together. She's the housekeeper, but

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<v Speaker 3>she also cooks for them. She runs errand she catches checks.

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<v Speaker 3>She's Maggie's person that helps run Mozelle, which is this massive,

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<v Speaker 3>this massive estate, seventeen hundred acres, so essentially twice the

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<v Speaker 3>size of Central Park in New York. It's a massive Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>The Blanca is at Mozelle as often as the family is,

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<v Speaker 3>or more so. She knows it like the back of

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<v Speaker 3>her hand. And she's worried about Elex. She knows that

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<v Speaker 3>he's been used opioids for a number of years. She

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<v Speaker 3>has a practice of finding She finds, you know, zip

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<v Speaker 3>hot baggies of pills and residue in his pocket when

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<v Speaker 3>she's doing the laundry. There's a little red cup in

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<v Speaker 3>the cabinet over the washing machine where she puts that

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<v Speaker 3>those pills. So she knows he uses pills, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>an open secret within the household that he has been

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<v Speaker 3>using for a number of years. So she's aware of

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<v Speaker 3>the the opioids. She's aware of booze, there's they're a

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<v Speaker 3>heavily drinking family. But what really concerns her is in

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<v Speaker 3>the weeks leading up to June seventh, she found palliative

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<v Speaker 3>care drugs, end of life drugs that were on Elex's

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<v Speaker 3>bedside table, prescribed to his father who'd been dying of

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<v Speaker 3>lung cancer. So she's really worried about that. Right, he's

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<v Speaker 3>staking not just opioids, but she fears that he's also

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<v Speaker 3>taking these very strong, barbituous or sedative drugs that are

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<v Speaker 3>meant to soothe the end of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you talk about that. Because his father is in

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<v Speaker 2>dire straits in the hospital, he uses as this as

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<v Speaker 2>a He calls Maggie and wants her to return to

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<v Speaker 2>Moselle and tells her why, and also wants Paul to

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<v Speaker 2>come there as well. Tell us about this conversation, the

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<v Speaker 2>call for these people to return to Moselle and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Which it's shocking if you look at this incredible eighty

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<v Speaker 3>eight page timeline. That's that sled. It's not kond On

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<v Speaker 3>a law force division to put together. It's shocking if

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<v Speaker 3>you look and you kind of like cross reference alex

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<v Speaker 3>phone records. He's confronted by Genie Seconder right at the

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<v Speaker 3>law firm in the afternoon. Then it gets the call

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<v Speaker 3>that his father is dying. And that's such a crucial moment.

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<v Speaker 3>His father is not just his closest friend and companion.

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<v Speaker 3>His father's his protector, his father when he's his father's

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<v Speaker 3>loaned him a million dollars over the course of time

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<v Speaker 3>just to bail him out of one one financial strait

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<v Speaker 3>or another. His father also is hugely influential. He was

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<v Speaker 3>the he was the prosecutor for decades in that part

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<v Speaker 3>of the world. So his father is is it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just a person he loves, it's a person he needs.

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<v Speaker 3>So within minutes of getting that call that his father's

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<v Speaker 3>at the end. You can see, he calls Maggie. You

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<v Speaker 3>can see he calls her and she doesn't pick up

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<v Speaker 3>right away, and and then you know, but then she does,

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<v Speaker 3>and he asks her to come home, and she calls

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<v Speaker 3>her sister and she's like, I don't know, I really

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to go, and her sister says you should,

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<v Speaker 3>And he calls Paul, and he asked Paul to come

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<v Speaker 3>home to Mozille, and Paul is not planning to he

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<v Speaker 3>comes anyway. So it's it's stunning that he lures them

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<v Speaker 3>both home within minutes of being confronted over this missing money.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's very the prosecution made a case that's very damning,

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<v Speaker 3>the immediate nature of those those requests who come home

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<v Speaker 3>that night when neither of them have been planning to.

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<v Speaker 2>That Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>So you write that Alex got to Mozelle estate first

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<v Speaker 2>and about six forty three pm, and then Paul arrives,

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<v Speaker 2>So what do they do? Where do they go? Once

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<v Speaker 2>Paul arrives at the Mozelle.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they ride the property. It's a bucolic night, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost almost spun and amber. It's beautiful at sunset

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<v Speaker 3>or at dusk. In the low country, it's this vast

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<v Speaker 3>expanse of pine trees and swamp, you know, food plots

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<v Speaker 3>for hunting. So they ride the property together. They go

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<v Speaker 3>check on some sunflowers that they'd planted to lord doves.

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<v Speaker 3>They were dying, so they needed to get those in shape.

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<v Speaker 3>So they made a plan for how to replant these sunflowers.

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<v Speaker 3>They went and checked on some fruit trees that were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of Alec's pet project. One of them wouldn't stand

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<v Speaker 3>up straight, so Elk is following with it trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get it to stand up straight. They crossed, you know

419
00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Mozelle road over into the other side of the property

420
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.000
<v Speaker 3>to go to the target shoot for a couple of rounds,

421
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 3>and you know, they just they spend time together. And

422
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 3>Elick has said and many of it Paul's friends say

423
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Paul was a delightful person to be around at when

424
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't drunk, he was he could be kind, he

425
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 3>could be funny, and so you know, Alex says, they

426
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 3>are just having a good time. That you would father

427
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.640
<v Speaker 3>and son writing this beautiful property that you love. And

428
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 3>all the evidence shows that that Mozelle was Paul's haven.

429
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:31.799
<v Speaker 3>It was his perfect place. He wanted to spend the

430
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 3>rest of his life there. He had a plan to

431
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 3>start a logging business there with his friend Anthony Cook,

432
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 3>Mallory Beach's boyfriend. So they were at the place they

433
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.839
<v Speaker 3>both loved best, having to hang as father and son.

434
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the kennels. And you say that Paul

435
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>was taking care of a puppy for a friend. So

436
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.279
<v Speaker 2>tell us the role of the kennels in this story.

437
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Sure, and you know, I had the chance to be

438
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 3>at Mozille and the kennels are their open air right

439
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.799
<v Speaker 3>their cover, but they're open air and they house you know,

440
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.400
<v Speaker 3>there are a dozen of these kennels on a concrete

441
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:09.160
<v Speaker 3>pad and they house a number of dogs and including

442
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.839
<v Speaker 3>the family dogs who are you know, eat twice a

443
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.319
<v Speaker 3>day and are labs. And then the hunting dogs who

444
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.400
<v Speaker 3>eat once a day and are more you know, they're

445
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.680
<v Speaker 3>they're meant to work, the working dogs, and so Paul.

446
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 3>They had a number of anibals there. They typically had

447
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 3>about six. And that week Paul was taking care of

448
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.200
<v Speaker 3>his best friend. His neighbor, Rogan Gibson, had a puppy,

449
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 3>a chocolate lab puppy named Cash, and he was taking

450
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.319
<v Speaker 3>care of the puppy forum because Rogan was working out

451
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.680
<v Speaker 3>of town and they were worried because there was like

452
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Speaker 3>a hot spot on the dog's tail, and so so

453
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:43.839
<v Speaker 3>they were taking special care of this puppy because they

454
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 3>did didn't really know. They knew something was wrong with them,

455
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't really know what.

456
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>You take us to nine forty six, three hours or

457
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.839
<v Speaker 2>so after Alex had arrived at Mozelle, and apparently he

458
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>calls Maggie's phone and there's no answer, and he calls

459
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Paul's phone nine seven, and then he texts a message

460
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to Maggie call me babe. And then there was a

461
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 2>friend that called that nine fifty seven the Paul and

462
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>there was no answer. Then you take us to ten

463
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 2>o six PM. A dispatcher at the Hampton County Sheriff's

464
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Office gets a nine on one call.

465
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it gives me chills. I can hear that call

466
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 3>on my mind. They get a call from a hysterical

467
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Elec Murdoch. And when you first hear that call, it's

468
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 3>still a rarshock test for some people. He's either you know,

469
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 3>he sounds, he sounds, his voice is high, he's he's

470
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 3>breathing hard, and he says, you know, I'm Elc Murdoch

471
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 3>at forty one forty seven Mozell Road. I need I

472
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 3>need help immediately. My wife and child have been shot badly.

473
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 3>He's in shock, he's crying, he's running around that. Yeah,

474
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 3>that call comes in and starts everything rolling to this

475
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 3>incredible you know, this incredible chronology of that night.

476
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>You write that a sergeant Daniel Green arrives and he

477
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 2>parks near those kennels and he saw a shotgun leaning

478
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.799
<v Speaker 2>against the suv. Then he asked Alec Murda for his story.

479
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, we talked a little bit about

480
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 3>how remote Mozille is. This will give you a sense

481
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 3>for it. So Daniel Green is in downtown Walterborough, which

482
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 3>is in Collington County, and as is Mozille. He knows

483
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 3>it's going to take him twenty minutes to get from

484
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Walterborough where he is, to Mozelle. And he beats feet right.

485
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 3>He runs lights and siren to get out there, still

486
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 3>takes him twenty minutes, and it's so dark and so isolated.

487
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 3>Even though he has GPS and he knows where he's going,

488
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>he misses the term, so by the time he gets there,

489
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.839
<v Speaker 3>it's twenty minutes after the nine one one call comes in.

490
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 3>And he rolls up on this quiet, quiet scene and

491
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 3>he sees he parks near the kennels, and he sees

492
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 3>he sees a young man lying face down on the

493
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 3>kennel concrete pad. He sees a woman face down, you know,

494
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 3>a few steps away, and then he sees this tall, redheaded,

495
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>sobbing six foot four to sixty pounds man pacing, and

496
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 3>he sees a shotgun leaning up against a suburban with

497
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 3>a you know, big suv with the flashing lights on.

498
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 3>So he's just up on this very quiet place, in

499
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 3>this very chaotic, tiny crime scene, in the middle of

500
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>the night, in the middle of nowhere.

501
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 2>He tests Alec for GCR gun shot residue, and he

502
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:42.039
<v Speaker 2>also notes that when he asks him for anything that

503
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Alec is not shaking at all, not really nervous.

504
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 3>That's right. He sees the shotgun leaning up against the

505
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, the tire of the suburban. He's questioning Alec

506
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and he realizes, you know, he takes the gun this

507
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 3>officer and puts it in his car. And he's talking

508
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 3>to Alec and another deputy comes up and they need

509
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.400
<v Speaker 3>to test his hands for GSR for gunshot residue, and

510
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 3>they do and test positive because he had been holding

511
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 3>He said he'd been holding that shotgun. He later said,

512
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 3>told about the target shooting that he supposedly did with Paul.

513
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 3>So it's not surprising the GSR on there. But what

514
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>might have been surprising as the deputy who tested his

515
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 3>hands said they were not shaking at all. He seemed

516
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.319
<v Speaker 3>relatively calm and aware of what of everything that was

517
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 3>happening around him, very aware of his surroundings for someone

518
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 3>who'd been to such trauma so shortly ago.

519
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Tell us how Deputy Rutland gets involved from the Sheriff's office,

520
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 2>but also how the you mentioned this acronym SLED SLED agents,

521
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 2>So what does that stand for and how do they

522
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>become involved and what is their role in this investigation?

523
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 3>Sure so SLED sounds for South Carolina Law Enforcement Division,

524
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>State Law Enforcement Supportman Division, and what that means is

525
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 3>like the state f BI and state wide agency that

526
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 3>comes in and helps with complex crimes or white collar crimes,

527
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>corruption involving law enforcement or political figures. But most commonly

528
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 3>in a state like South Carolina that's quite rural, you'll

529
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.759
<v Speaker 3>have small police departments, small sheriff's offices that just don't

530
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 3>have the equipment or the expertise to handle homicides or things.

531
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 3>So it's very common for SLED agents as they're known

532
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 3>to be the assistant agent's assistant, the assisting agency on

533
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 3>complex crimes in rural areas. So what happens at night

534
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 3>is the sheriff's office comes in Collington County, which is

535
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 3>the slice of Mozille where this happened was in coll

536
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Itton County as opposed to Hampton County, the adjacent county.

537
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of split between the two. So coll Itton

538
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 3>County is the first arrived. Deputy Green's part of that.

539
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>His detective Rutland, who is Laura Rutland, is she's good

540
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 3>with words, and so they send her to get the

541
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 3>search warrant and to get it signed by magistrates. So

542
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>she kind of rolls up on the scene later than

543
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 3>the other deputies and by that time they had realized,

544
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, this is Alec Murdoch. This is not

545
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>just the boat wreck. This is this family that you know,

546
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 3>everybody knows, including most of the deputies that are there.

547
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 3>And so her captain asked, are you familiar with the

548
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.559
<v Speaker 3>Murdock family? And she's not from around there. She grew

549
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 3>up a little bit away, and she has not been

550
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>with the department very long. And she had been just

551
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 3>three young children at this point, so she had not

552
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 3>been back at work very long. She's like, no, that

553
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 3>name doesn't mean anything to me. They some, well, congratulations,

554
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.839
<v Speaker 3>that makes you the lead detective on this. So she catches,

555
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, the hot potato there, you know, an hour

556
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>or so after the call comes in. But then pretty

557
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 3>soon after that, you know, an hour, hour and ten

558
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 3>minutes sled realizes that the SLED is on the scene.

559
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.440
<v Speaker 3>It takes them a while to get there. They're on

560
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 3>the scene. They can't say to Collington County, oh, we

561
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 3>know what we know, which is that they are investigating

562
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:06.279
<v Speaker 3>the boat wreck. They're investigating Alex's They're investigating Alex's actions

563
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 3>the night of the boat rack. Trying to so disinformation

564
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 3>about who is driving and they can't say that it's

565
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.759
<v Speaker 3>a secret investigation, but they have to make the call

566
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 3>that they need to take over because of the potential.

567
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Elk is already on their radar's as he's a person

568
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 3>they have a reason to be suspicious of to start with.

569
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 3>So they just say, hey, look we is it okay,

570
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.079
<v Speaker 3>we're the lead on this. We have reasons that we

571
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 3>need to be So SLED takes over the investigation two

572
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 3>hours into it roughly, and an agent named David Owen

573
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 3>arrives just after a little after midnight, and David is

574
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>coming up from Charleston, which is pretty good ways away.

575
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>So you know, the lead agent is is Laura Rutland

576
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 3>for a hot minute, and then it becomes David Owen,

577
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 3>so pretty you know, and your your listeners are pretty

578
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty savvy. It's not it's not it's not ideal to

579
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 3>take over a case where a key decisions have already

580
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 3>been made. But that was the that was the situation.

581
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Rural area, rainy night, far from anywhere this. You know,

582
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 3>SLED is based all over the state. It takes a

583
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 3>while to get rolling. So by the time the lead

584
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 3>case agent is on the scene and taking over, it's

585
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 3>about roughly two hours after the call comes in.

586
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>You say, David Owen takes over as a lead investigator.

587
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>So he gets a chance to speak to Alec Murda

588
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>and have Alec Murdoch explain this incredible situation where these

589
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>people were killed.

590
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lucky, lucky David Owen. David was a key voice

591
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 3>in this book and has not really spoken extensively about

592
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>the case. So I felt very fortunate about that. Yeah.

593
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 3>So David Owen gets woken up, you know, and said,

594
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's just like any any homicide detective rotation. He

595
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 3>was up, it was his case. Doesn't know what he's

596
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 3>getting to. He gets there and then he's briefed not

597
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 3>only is this a double homicide in the middle of

598
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 3>nowhere and it's not clear what happened, but Elic Murdoch

599
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 3>is somebody that they're already on the sea for. So

600
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Speaker 3>then he sits down with Elick. It's rainy, it's hot,

601
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 3>it's so I cannot tell you what it feels like

602
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 3>when it's you know, almost ninety degrees, ninety percent humidity

603
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 3>and kind of misting rain in a hot, humid summer

604
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.800
<v Speaker 3>in South Carolina. So he and detective Rutland, who's his

605
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 3>new partner. He's just met meet up with Elec Murdoch.

606
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Elck's personal lawyer, a lawyer named Danny Henderson, wants to

607
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 3>sit and agrees to let Elec talk, but only if

608
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 3>he's in the interview. So he guides them out. There's

609
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>so many cars out there by now they he had

610
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to park out on Mozelle Road. He takes them out

611
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 3>to his you know, his Bronco and I'm sorry, it's

612
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 3>not Bronco. He takes them out to his car and

613
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 3>closes the door. It's one in the morning, you know,

614
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 3>puts the puts his little his his body cam, clips

615
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 3>it to the rear view mirror and starts this kind

616
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 3>of epic interview that becomes you know, critical there in

617
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the middle of nowhere, not knowing but what this case

618
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 3>is going to become. It's a just fairly incredible moment

619
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 3>when you watch it. Now knowing what we know.

620
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.

621
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>So now you say that they have a statement to

622
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>establish the events that happened, so that boxes them in

623
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>later potentially, but you right will fast forward that regardless

624
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 2>of those charges. By the end of the summer, Alex

625
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 2>was staying in Hampton at a guesthouse behind his law partner,

626
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Parker's house. And then we get to he wants

627
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to have a conversation with Blanca Simpson.

628
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I remember, I mean Blanca, Blanca knows all.

629
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 3>It's it's summer, it's in August. He has by that

630
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 3>point he had the interview with David Owen that night,

631
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:57.760
<v Speaker 3>early morning of June the eighth, one in the morning.

632
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 3>He speaks again with David Owen a few days later

633
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 3>or a follow up interview when things have you know,

634
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 3>jailed to get his his and his up to date memories.

635
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.559
<v Speaker 3>And then they have one this one other critical, this

636
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 3>critical interview in early August, to sit down interview, which

637
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 3>is when David Owen it's very it's It starts out

638
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 3>fairly friendly. They talk about the weather, they talk about

639
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 3>the fact that David Owen's air conditioning is on the blitz.

640
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 3>But in the in the end, David confronts Alec and says,

641
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 3>did you did you kill your wife and son? And

642
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 3>so all of a sudden, Elick has gone from a

643
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 3>grieving father who has all this sympathy to the main

644
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 3>and only suspect in the killing of his wife and son.

645
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 3>So very shortly thereafter, he calls Blanca that the housekeeper

646
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 3>who knows everything, and asks her to come over, and

647
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 3>he's staying at this guest house and is Bloc is

648
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 3>commonly at the guest house. She told me that she

649
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 3>kept stocked with his favorite you know, she would have

650
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Amazon deliver his cases of his favorite Caprice sons there

651
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 3>and his his his favorite snacks. So she goes to

652
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 3>the guest house and he rarely asked her to because

653
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't he's constant, He's a whirling dervish. He doesn't

654
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 3>commonly sit and have a conversation, so it was rare

655
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 3>for her to be called over there, to sit down

656
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 3>on the couch and have him ask her questions. And

657
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 3>what he asked her is you know what I was

658
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 3>You know what I was wearing that day. I was

659
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 3>wearing this Vinnie Vine shirt, meaning this kind of button

660
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 3>up Columbia shirt that he was wearing in the video

661
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 3>that Paul, a video that Paul had taken when they

662
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 3>were playing with a tree that night at Moselle, and

663
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 3>he wanted he needed her to say, I remember, oh, yeah,

664
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 3>you wore that shirt to work, because that would mean

665
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 3>she could vouch for his what he was wearing. There

666
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 3>was a conflict that came up in that third interview

667
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.119
<v Speaker 3>about what he was wearing. She was like, no, that's

668
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't what you were wearing. No, I don't, I

669
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 3>don't remember it that way, And it really set off,

670
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, the hair on the back of her neck.

671
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 3>She's like, why is he asking me about what he's wearing?

672
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 3>And she also knew. She does all the laundry at

673
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 3>the house. She can tell tell you exactly when she

674
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.440
<v Speaker 3>puts in the fabric softener. They like certain and they

675
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 3>like certain detergent at certain stages of the wash cycle.

676
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 3>She irons his t shirts. She when she she talks

677
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 3>about putting things away, her hands moved because she knows

678
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 3>where they go in the drawer. She knew what he

679
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 3>was wearing and she hadn't seen those clothes since. So yeah,

680
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 3>So that was a very very strange conversation conversation for

681
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Blanca and uh and set off her her hackles about

682
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 3>what is going on here?

683
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about Connor Cook and his attorney and their

684
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 2>relationship to the boat crash well.

685
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Connor Cook. Connor Cook is a person who can't even

686
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 3>tell you when he met Palmer, not because they've known

687
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 3>each other their whole lives. He can't remember when they

688
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 3>met because it's been forever. And Connor's father, Marty Cook,

689
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 3>was a classmate of Elis. He was actually on the

690
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 3>football team. It was this key like key key receiver

691
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 3>or a key, you know, key partner on the football team.

692
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 3>So the families go way back. And Connor was on

693
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.280
<v Speaker 3>the boat and Connor was the person that Paul was

694
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Paul said was driving and that that Elick wanted to

695
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 3>create confusion over whether it was Paul or Connor driving.

696
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And Connor has said he felt trapped. He felt like

697
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 3>he was going to take the fall for Paul in

698
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 3>that boat wreck. So and his lawyer was is a

699
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 3>lawyer named Joe McCulloch who's very savvy, it's been around

700
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 3>a long time, a very well regarded defense lawyer. And

701
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 3>he was on He and Connor and his and his

702
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 3>lawyer were on the offense that summer. They were trying

703
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 3>to to use the opportunity of the scrutinial on this

704
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 3>homicide to bring attention to the boat wreck, and so

705
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 3>they were they were, they were filing key documents over

706
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 3>the course of that summer to try and get more

707
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 3>information out about the boat wreck.

708
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>You say that dn R released hundreds of pages of

709
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>documents and several videos from the boat crash investig gation,

710
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and internet sluice scoured it all of it, posting their

711
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 2>theories online. So Alex, all these revelations about the family

712
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 2>and the way they hid their secrets, everything was piling

713
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>up on Alex Murdoch, wasn't it.

714
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 3>There was, yes, exactly, There was a huge amount of

715
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 3>information coming out of the course of the summer of

716
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one. Homicides happened on June seventh, and Paul

717
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 3>had ultimately been charged in the death of Mallory Beach

718
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 3>in spite of Elex's best effort. He was charged with

719
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 3>her death, and he was also charged in the serious

720
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 3>injuries to Connor Cook and to Morgandoti, another young woman

721
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 3>on the boats girlfriend. But with his death the charges

722
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 3>go away right there. And so with the charges drop

723
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 3>the investigation by DNR, which is the State Natural Resources Division,

724
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 3>it's over. So they released thousands of pages of documents

725
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 3>in the investigation online and by this point, their subreddits,

726
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>their Facebook pages, they're all these people who are just

727
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 3>really interested in this case, in this family, in the history,

728
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and people are just pouring through these documents, finding all

729
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 3>sorts of interesting facts and nuggets and putting them together.

730
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 3>And and Connor's lawsuit that were his legal filing in

731
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 3>that summer, is of the piece with that. He wanted

732
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 3>more information to come out about the boat wreck, to

733
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 3>make it clear, hey, not only was I not driving,

734
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 3>but they were trying to make it look like I

735
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>was driving. That's what he wanted to show.

736
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Back at the law firm, Jane Seconder opened an envelope

737
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and a check flew out. So tell us about her

738
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>experience and what she concludes as a result of finding

739
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>this check.

740
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Sure, so, so all this is happening over the course

741
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.719
<v Speaker 3>of the summer, right, you know, June seventh is a homicide.

742
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 3>The month of July, all these documents are released by

743
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 3>dn R. There's there. It's you know, people magazine in

744
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 3>all of the big true crime shows are doing episodes

745
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 3>about the murdox. It's a it's a huge story. And

746
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 3>then in August he's confronted by sled He talks to

747
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 3>Blanca Simpson about what he's wearing. And then you get

748
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 3>into September, Labor Day weekend, that first weekend in September,

749
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 3>and Elick's pueri legal is they're still fretting over this

750
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 3>missing fee even though he's you know, Eleck was able

751
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 3>to cobble together some money and say that he found it.

752
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 3>They don't quite believe him. He had enough time over

753
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 3>the summer to put together some enough money to throw

754
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>him off the case, but it doesn't quite make sense.

755
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 3>They still had their suspicions. His peer Leegal goes into

756
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 3>his office, which is a no no. She typically doesn't,

757
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 3>he is so territorial, but she needs a document and

758
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 3>he's not there. He's the grieving father still. She goes

759
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 3>into his office and it's just like this black hole

760
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 3>of paper and folders and mess and legal text and

761
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 3>she picks up a folder on his desk looking for something,

762
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.400
<v Speaker 3>and out floats a check and she just rib it.

763
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 3>She's like it fell. It was like out of something

764
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 3>out of a movie, like a feather falling to the ground,

765
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 3>and it was the missing feed check. And she takes

766
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 3>it to Genie Seconder and they're like, oh no. In

767
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 3>some respects, they're relieved that they were right, and in

768
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 3>other respects they're horrified because their worst fears are realized.

769
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Elick is stealing from the law firm that his great

770
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 3>grandfather found and this is they find this out on

771
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 3>the eve of a Labor Day.

772
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Weekend and they realize they have to fire him, and

773
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 2>he is told he has to be fired and he understands.

774
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Corract So Geenie takes her her evidence to the partners

775
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 3>and she's very well regarded. She's known all these guys.

776
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 3>They went to high school together. And they say, oh no,

777
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 3>we got to fire him. And they do that Friday

778
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 3>before Labor Day. His brother says, you gotta go, and

779
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 3>he typically Elick tries to negotiate. He said, well, can

780
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 3>I just you just put me on leave so I

781
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 3>can have my health care, so I can get the

782
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 3>help I need for my drug addiction. They said, no,

783
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.960
<v Speaker 3>you need to go, so they fired him, and this

784
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 3>it's just a huge crisis. It's Friday of Labor Day weekend,

785
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 3>which is incredibly everything goes dark for several days and

786
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 3>he but he the one thing he says that's so amazing.

787
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm just surprised it took you this long

788
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 3>to find out. So they fire him on that Friday,

789
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 3>and then that Saturday is a day we're all familiar with,

790
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 3>the Saturday of Labor Day weekend is the day he

791
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.360
<v Speaker 3>calls nine one one yet again about another crisis, another shooting.

792
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>This time he said, someone's tried to kill him on

793
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.599
<v Speaker 3>the side of the road on Old Sacahatchee Road in

794
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Hampton County.

795
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>And the description you say is strikingly striking resemblance to

796
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Cook.

797
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Coincidentally, Yes, Anthony's mother, Beverly Cook told me that when

798
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>she saw, you know, he goes to the hospital and

799
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 3>and sled is suspicious. By this point, he's the he's

800
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.800
<v Speaker 3>the main suspect the side of the road shooting. I

801
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>sat on that side of the road for half an hour,

802
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.320
<v Speaker 3>I said exactly that where he was. No cars came

803
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.360
<v Speaker 3>by in either direction for half an hour, in the

804
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 3>middle of the afternoon. It's the middle of nowhere. They

805
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 3>knew his story to na up, but they you know,

806
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 3>they play kated em or they took it seriously, and

807
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 3>they sent a sketch artist to the hospital there in

808
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Savannah where he was being treated for a head wound

809
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 3>in this shooting, and he describes as young man. And

810
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Beverly Cook told me she's like her jaw drop when

811
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 3>she saw it because it looked just it had a

812
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 3>striking resemblance to Anthony Cook, who was the boyfriend of

813
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Malory Beach it was, you know, killed in the boat

814
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 3>rag in twenty nineteen. She felt like she felt for

815
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 3>sure that he was trying to frame Anthony in his

816
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 3>attempted suicide and also make it look like somebody who'd

817
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.239
<v Speaker 3>been involved or somebody had vengeance from the boat wreck

818
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 3>had been involved in Mozille as well. That was her fear.

819
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Slave investigators find out about the person cousin Eddie and

820
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the extent of Alec Murdau's opiate addiction and the money

821
00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>used for that.

822
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean and Elick in some respects. Elick led

823
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 3>them directly to Cousinetti, who literally is his cousin that

824
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 3>you can trace their their I've got the family tree.

825
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Cousin cousin Eddie's great great great grandfather, Lazarus Murdoch was

826
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 3>was brothers to Elex's great great grandfather Josiah Murdock, So

827
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 3>they really are cousins distant cousins. But yeah, he's from

828
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 3>the hospital. He is trying, I mean, he's Elec Murdoch.

829
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.800
<v Speaker 3>He does this later in jail, he's he's he's getting

830
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 3>somebody to make phone calls for him, begging to borrow

831
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 3>a phone, and he's trying to pay cash to get

832
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 3>somebody to learn him his phone. And finally he makes

833
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 3>some phone calls from somebody else's phone and calls his

834
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 3>drug dealer, his cousin Edti. But you know, unfortunately, by

835
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 3>this point, his brother tells Led book Eleck's up to something.

836
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 3>He's making calls from somebody else's phone, and they find

837
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 3>out the person he's calling his Cousinetti. So they go

838
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 3>interview him and and and guess what, you know, immediately

839
00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 3>becomes clear that he's been writing a bunhundreds of thousands

840
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 3>of dollars of checks over the course of the summer

841
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 3>to this cousin for many reasons. So in some respects

842
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 3>he was he led them directly to the person he

843
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.480
<v Speaker 3>was who was involved in the shooting on the side

844
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of the road.

845
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Let's get to somewhat to the evidence and the breaks

846
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 2>and the events that lead to finally Sled making an

847
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 2>arrest of Alex Murdoch.

848
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, finally, it's probably the operative word, right.

849
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 3>The homicides were June seventh, twenty twenty one, and it

850
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.440
<v Speaker 3>took him until mid July of twenty twenty two for

851
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 3>him to be charged. So it took a very long time,

852
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.920
<v Speaker 3>and the investigation was laborious and David everyone talks a

853
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 3>lot about this. I think you know in David's background,

854
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.840
<v Speaker 3>he's a career officer recently retired actually that he made

855
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 3>his start in evidence gathering, right, and footprints and fingerprints,

856
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 3>and the scene was chaotic. It was also disorganized because

857
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 3>it was staged, so it was difficult. It was a

858
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 3>difficult investigation from the beginning. You know, they caught the

859
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 3>case late. They did not they did not seal off

860
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 3>the house. Everyone roamed around the main house at Moselle,

861
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 3>so they lost key, potentially key evidence up at the

862
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.239
<v Speaker 3>house because it was it was there were people everywhere,

863
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 3>and then the crime scene itself was not what it

864
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 3>seemed to be. It didn't make sense. So the investigation

865
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 3>was was slow and laborious, and there weren't a lot

866
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.480
<v Speaker 3>of breaks for many many months, and there were red herrings.

867
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 3>The key one was sled thought incorrectly, as it turns

868
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 3>out that there was blood on Elick Murdoch's white T

869
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 3>shirt that he was wearing the night of the murdocks,

870
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.679
<v Speaker 3>and they chased the night of the murders. They chased

871
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 3>that false flag for months, to the point where they

872
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 3>tested the shirt so many times it was actually destroyed.

873
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 3>It was it was, it was, it was, you know,

874
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 3>in pieces and turned black, so that the bloody shirt

875
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 3>was was something a key piece of evidence they thought

876
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 3>helped them know it was it did not have blood

877
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.760
<v Speaker 3>on and after all it was false and then they

878
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 3>just they couldn't They couldn't really make a case and

879
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 3>they couldn't get down Palmardock's phone, this key piece of evidence.

880
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 3>Paul was a very private kid in some respects, and

881
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 3>his dad said, nobody knew the code of his phone.

882
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 3>There's absolutely nobody knew the code of his phone. He

883
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't back it up to the iCloud. It was it

884
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.199
<v Speaker 3>was his life. He was on it all day and

885
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 3>he was down to two percent every night because he

886
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 3>used it all day. But nobody could get into it.

887
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 3>And they David, no one said, why don't he try

888
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 3>his birthday? It's you know, we're creatures of a habit.

889
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Try forty one forty seven is his his birthday at

890
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 3>or try you know, it's the address of Mozilla. Tried

891
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.079
<v Speaker 3>his birthday in April, but they were scared. We all,

892
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, those of us have iPhones know that you

893
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 3>try too many codes, it's going to lock forever and

894
00:49:55.119 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 3>eventually wipe the phone. So finally, in March of twenty two,

895
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the phone gets turned over to you know, another law

896
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 3>enforcement agent's agency to try and put it through a

897
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 3>series of protocols to unlock it. And they want to

898
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 3>put in some key dates. Is kind of like, you know,

899
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 3>to prime the pump for this computer program. They said, well,

900
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.760
<v Speaker 3>is anybody tried his birthday? They try his birthday and

901
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.800
<v Speaker 3>March twenty twenty two, you know, almost you know what,

902
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 3>ten months after the homicides. Guess what, It opens wide

903
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 3>right away and the first thing they find, almost it's

904
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 3>the last thing he recorded, which is a video of

905
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Cash the dog with injured tail, at you know, eight

906
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 3>forty five pm, the night of the homicides. And when

907
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.159
<v Speaker 3>they play it, you hear three things. You hear Paul

908
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 3>talking to the dog. You hear Maggie saying oh, there's

909
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 3>a there's a he's got a burd in his mouth.

910
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a guinea. And you can hear Paul say it's

911
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 3>a chicken. And then you can hear Paul call that

912
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 3>other dog bubba, come here, baba baba. And what it

913
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 3>shows is the thing that ELC Murdoch has been denying

914
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 3>for almost a year, that he was at the kennels

915
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 3>minutes before his wife and son were brutally murdered. It

916
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 3>is the lone piece of evidence that cracks the case.

917
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 3>And but for that piece of evidence, Sled would not

918
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 3>have been able to bring charges against Elig Murdock.

919
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's esses as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.

920
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 2>You say, this was the break that they needed. So

921
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 2>on top of the charges, the grand jury indicted him

922
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 2>on twenty three counts for stealing two point two seven million,

923
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 2>and there was all this press attention. Now we have

924
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 2>a press and media frenzy, don't we we do?

925
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and throughout the case it has been there's

926
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.519
<v Speaker 3>just something about this case that captured people's attention. It

927
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 3>was so shocking. There were so many layers, there were

928
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 3>so many dead bodies. I mean, we talked about Mallory Beach.

929
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 3>But there was also the death of Gloria Sadderfield, the

930
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 3>housekeeper before Blanca, who fell downstairs under mysterious circumstances. There

931
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:08.800
<v Speaker 3>was the death of Stephen Smith, the young man was

932
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 3>found on the middle of the road in twenty fifteen,

933
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 3>a classmate of Buster Murdock's. The older son case had

934
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 3>never been shock, so this case was. It was just

935
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 3>like a huge part of national and international news. And

936
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.519
<v Speaker 3>when the anniversary of the homicides came and went June seventh,

937
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, people were wondering, well, will anybody ever

938
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 3>be charged? And finally he was in July. So yeah,

939
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.800
<v Speaker 3>once he was finally charged, that had off a whole

940
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 3>nother cycle. Oh okay, so now we see things in

941
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 3>different contexts. But you know, what is the evidence that

942
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.559
<v Speaker 3>the state has. You know, Elick, to his credit, hired

943
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.000
<v Speaker 3>too of the most well known and well regarded defense

944
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:56.440
<v Speaker 3>lawyers in the state. And they're like, this is bogus.

945
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 3>They got nothing. We're calling their bluff. They called for

946
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 3>I was in the courtroom. I can remember this in

947
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 3>June of twenty twenty two. They called for a speedy trial.

948
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 3>They're like, we need a speedy trial so slig can

949
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 3>do their jobs and go out and find the real killers.

950
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 3>So they asked for it, and Dick Carputlin later said

951
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.039
<v Speaker 3>he should have been careful what he wished for. The

952
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 3>state gave it to him. All of a sudden, we

953
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 3>went from not knowing anything about homicides to having a

954
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 3>speedy trial that began barely six months after he was charged,

955
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 3>that began in January twenty twenty three.

956
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 2>You say the prosecutor was a person named Creighton Waters,

957
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and you say you write that he had spent two

958
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>years becoming the world's foremost student of Alex Murda ever

959
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 2>since he heard the phrase the boat case.

960
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, Creighton. I was fortunate that Creighton talked to

961
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 3>me extensively for this book. And yes, there's no doubt

962
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 3>in my mind that Creighton Waters is the world's foremost

963
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 3>student of Elec Murdock. I think Creighton Waters knows more

964
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 3>about Elic Murdock than Elc Murdoch does. And he is

965
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 3>their contemporaries the same age. They were at the University

966
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 3>of Sale Carolina at the same time. They didn't know

967
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 3>each other and their polar opposites. You know, Creighton is

968
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 3>is five to eight. He's he's he's a head shorter

969
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 3>than Elk, but he is he's energetic, he's tough, minded,

970
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 3>and he is he has made it his life's mission to

971
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:24.639
<v Speaker 3>prosecute corrupt officials, corrupt people, and he and Elick offended

972
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.159
<v Speaker 3>him to his core. So he made he made all

973
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 3>the financial case against ELC Murdoch, all the you know,

974
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 3>the millions and millions of dollars he stole, which is

975
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 3>really Creyton's wheelhouse, the financial corruption. But he also made

976
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 3>the murder case, and he built it on the financials.

977
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 3>He built the case, the theory of the case by saying, look,

978
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Elick Murdoch had a decade's worth of secrets. He was

979
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 3>a mirage, he had his family's name on his shoulder.

980
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.159
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't risk it. Everything was at risk that night

981
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 3>of June the seventh, twenty twenty one. That's why he

982
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 3>did what he did. So I think I think Creighton

983
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Waters was I mean, in some respects from central casting.

984
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 3>He was the right person to He's the polar opposite

985
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 3>of Elek. He was the right person to decode him

986
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 3>and call him out in the courtroom.

987
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.199
<v Speaker 2>What's dramatic is when a defendant, especially like Alec Murda,

988
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>decides to take the stand, and we haven't described that

989
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>in this turmoil, this two hundred and sixty five pound

990
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 2>person six foot four had lost considerable weight due to

991
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 2>the tension and pressure of all of this.

992
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 3>He did. He lost more than sixty pounds over the

993
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 3>course of from the time of the homicides to the

994
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 3>time he was in the courtroom. So he looked like

995
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 3>a different He looked like a different person in many regards.

996
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Tell us as you do as you write some of

997
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>the mannerisms that he exhibited during taking the stand and

998
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 2>some of the more profound moments in that testimony.

999
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, you know, and I spend I spent quite a

1000
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 3>bit of time on the trial in the book. It

1001
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 3>was what I wanted to do. I had the benefit

1002
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 3>of sitting in there every day for six weeks before

1003
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.760
<v Speaker 3>court started, and then after we wrapped in the evening

1004
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 3>and I was in the hallways, I was hearing conversations.

1005
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 3>I tried to give a bird's eye view of what

1006
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:20.920
<v Speaker 3>it felt like to be in there. What Dacka Reputelin

1007
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 3>would come back and say to me or to other

1008
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 3>people in the press corps, trying to spin us what's

1009
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 3>happening in the elevator when members of the Murdoch family are

1010
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 3>riding up things of that nature. It was just so dramatic,

1011
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.440
<v Speaker 3>every minute of it. And Elic Murdoch is He's a

1012
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.039
<v Speaker 3>creature of intense fascination. And all of a sudden he

1013
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.480
<v Speaker 3>was in the room. You're in the room with him

1014
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:44.599
<v Speaker 3>every day for six weeks, and you got to my

1015
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 3>eyes either or on Elick or on the jurors, because

1016
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:50.119
<v Speaker 3>I could watch their expressions and how what he was

1017
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.280
<v Speaker 3>saying was landing. But no, he had a number of

1018
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 3>very very telling mannerisms over time, and y'all saw it.

1019
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean he he moves his jaw in a really

1020
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 3>peculiar way back and forth, he shakes forward. He has

1021
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 3>a habit of kind of moving his body like saying

1022
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 3>yes when his mouth is saying no. Has his body

1023
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.320
<v Speaker 3>is telling us a story? And I tried to describe

1024
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 3>what I saw him doing both at the defense table

1025
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 3>and particularly on the stand, because that's what the jurors

1026
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 3>were watching as well. What I should say about the courtroom,

1027
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.280
<v Speaker 3>it's tiny. It is tiny. It was designed in the

1028
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.039
<v Speaker 3>eighteen hundreds and it seats two hundred people, but one

1029
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.000
<v Speaker 3>hundred people every day were set, right, the jurors, the judge,

1030
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 3>the lawyers, the witnesses, the family, the press, and you know,

1031
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 3>just very law enforcement. So a hundred people were kind

1032
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 3>of set and then one hundred people in the very

1033
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 3>back of the public who were waiting a line from

1034
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 3>four o'clock in the morning to get in. But you know,

1035
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 3>the jurors in particular, I sat in the jury box

1036
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and then I went and sat in the witness chair

1037
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:01.960
<v Speaker 3>with a you can reach out and it practically touched

1038
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 3>the jury rail from where he was sitting. So they

1039
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 3>watched him up close. They watched him. There was you know,

1040
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.320
<v Speaker 3>snot pouring out of his nose as he was talking,

1041
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.159
<v Speaker 3>but there are no tears coming out of his eyes.

1042
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 3>That's what the jurists told me, that there were no

1043
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 3>tears coming out of his eyes from their vantage point.

1044
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.119
<v Speaker 3>So his body was telling a story even as he

1045
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:22.800
<v Speaker 3>was saying something else.

1046
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 2>In the end, in the closing arguments, Creyton Waters just

1047
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 2>summarizes the motive, the means, the opportunity, and the consciousness

1048
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of guilt. Tell us just briefly how we summed everything

1049
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.239
<v Speaker 2>up and why Alec Murdach had murdered.

1050
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said that Alec Murdoch. It was the perfect

1051
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 3>storm and if you think about the extraordinary, it just

1052
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 3>still to this day gives me chills. June seventh of

1053
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one, everything was happening at once delC Murdoc, right,

1054
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:57.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, his dad was dying. Genie confronted him and

1055
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 3>we also we didn't mention but I should. On June tenth,

1056
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 3>he was facing this hearing in the boat Wreck where

1057
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Mark Tinsley, who was the Mallory Beach's family's lawyer, was

1058
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 3>finally going to force him to turn over his financials.

1059
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 3>So all that was happening on June seven. So what

1060
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.679
<v Speaker 3>Creighton Waters argued in his closing argument was that you know,

1061
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.000
<v Speaker 3>it was a perfect storm and Elec had had to

1062
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 3>do something to change the subject. And as a personal

1063
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:26.400
<v Speaker 3>injury lawyer, whose main what personal injury lawyers deal with

1064
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:30.599
<v Speaker 3>is emotion, the emotion the loss the blood money that

1065
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 3>is due to someone who lost something of value their

1066
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 3>life or their limb or their loved one. So he

1067
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.239
<v Speaker 3>understands emotion and he said this was an ultimate play

1068
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 3>to change the subject and pray on people's emotion and

1069
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 3>go from a person who was facing ruin to a

1070
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 3>grieving father and widow. And that's what he did. That's

1071
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:51.960
<v Speaker 3>what Creighton argued, that's what he did on the night

1072
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.920
<v Speaker 3>of June seventh, and it almost worked. Right the course

1073
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:56.679
<v Speaker 3>of the summer, he got the money back for the

1074
00:59:56.719 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 3>seven ninety two he was he put off. You put

1075
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 3>off detection for a number of months until that magical check,

1076
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, feel like a feather to the ground.

1077
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You talk about the means that they had never

1078
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>found the weapons, and yet they had found. You write

1079
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 2>a raincoat that had bullet residue or that it seemed

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01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.159
<v Speaker 2>to be had been used to carry one of the weapons.

1081
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what I what I try to do in the book.

1082
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:30.320
<v Speaker 3>The prosecution was limited in the dots they could connect, right,

1083
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 3>they can introduce this raincoat that is massive blue raincoat

1084
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 3>that's covered in gunshot residue on the inside, covered so

1085
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.440
<v Speaker 3>much they stopped counting the particles they are too many.

1086
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.440
<v Speaker 3>And the testimony was from the night nurse at Eleck's

1087
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 3>parents' house where he you know, he was the night

1088
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 3>he went for his alibi the night of the killings.

1089
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 3>The testimony was he showed up with that blue raincoat

1090
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.079
<v Speaker 3>in his arms, wrapped around something, seemingly wrapped around something,

1091
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 3>and hid it in a part of the house nobody

1092
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.440
<v Speaker 3>went to upstairs because they didn't use the upstairs nobody

1093
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.519
<v Speaker 3>was mobile anymore. But the prosecution couldn't really tie a bow.

1094
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:11.400
<v Speaker 3>They couldn't say, Okay, our theory is that he did X,

1095
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.000
<v Speaker 3>and then he did Y, and then he did D.

1096
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 3>They could give you the piece of Z, which is

1097
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 3>the gun shot resnue code, but they couldn't say, we

1098
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 3>think he wrapped the guns in it and then he

1099
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.039
<v Speaker 3>got rid of the guns. And you know, so I

1100
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.760
<v Speaker 3>tried to do that a little bit more for the reader,

1101
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 3>a lot more actually in the book. But no, he's

1102
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 3>but it is, you know, the in terms of the means,

1103
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.079
<v Speaker 3>the guns still are missing. Nobody they never showed up.

1104
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.639
<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows where they are. And that was a key

1105
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.039
<v Speaker 3>hole and for one jear in particular, the juror who

1106
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.840
<v Speaker 3>was disqualified the last day of the trial. But yeah,

1107
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 3>but the means were, you know, they had to kind

1108
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.559
<v Speaker 3>of build the case around the missing murder weapons, which

1109
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.239
<v Speaker 3>in the end, you know, enough of the jury believed

1110
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:53.039
<v Speaker 3>they did effectively.

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01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And you he writes about the opportunity, the opportunity that

1112
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.719
<v Speaker 2>they were at those kennels that night, and he had

1113
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity in his mind to create time for himself

1114
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and cover up things for a time.

1115
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Correct. I think he you know, the evidence showed he

1116
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 3>lured them there. He lured them there. That was the opportunity.

1117
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 3>And you know, Elex said something funny to Maggie's sister,

1118
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.079
<v Speaker 3>Marian Proctor. She testified to this. He had said, you know,

1119
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 3>whoever did this had been thinking about it a long time.

1120
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.559
<v Speaker 3>And Creighton Waters argued that this had been sort of

1121
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 3>in the back of his mind. This is I think

1122
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:36.079
<v Speaker 3>that this is it was an escape patch. If the

1123
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.599
<v Speaker 3>worse comes to worse, maybe this would be what happened.

1124
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know. And Kenny Kinzie, who was the

1125
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.679
<v Speaker 3>evidence specialist, told me he also thinks he snapped. He

1126
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:46.800
<v Speaker 3>thinks two things are true. He thinks it had been

1127
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.639
<v Speaker 3>in the back of his mind. Maybe he's a possibility,

1128
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 3>but something snapped that night. We know and as you

1129
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.599
<v Speaker 3>mentioned about the drugs that Blanca found on the bedside

1130
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 3>for his father, the cancer drugs. But we also know

1131
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that she had found and she told told me this

1132
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 3>is in the book that there she had found baggies

1133
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 3>of empty baggies of drugs in Maggie and Eleck's bathroom

1134
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:11.119
<v Speaker 3>trash can. She'd meant to take him out, she forgot.

1135
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 3>She fears that Maggie found them that night. And he,

1136
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, because he had been withdrawing the Sunday before

1137
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:20.440
<v Speaker 3>the Monday of the homicides. He'd been withdrawing that afternoon

1138
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.360
<v Speaker 3>in Colombia a baseball tournament. So you know, the opportunity

1139
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.280
<v Speaker 3>was there. And whether he planned it or snapped or both,

1140
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I think those things are both possible and likely.

1141
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:37.760
<v Speaker 2>You're right. In the epilogue that November twenty eight, twenty

1142
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, nearly nine months after he was convicted of

1143
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the murders, Alex Murdoch stood in front of Judge Newman

1144
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.920
<v Speaker 2>one more time to be sentenced for his financial crimes.

1145
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Why was it important for them to get a significant

1146
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:55.760
<v Speaker 2>sentence in these financial crimes.

1147
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, it was critical in the eyes of create Waters

1148
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 3>in the Attorney General's office to get a huge sentence

1149
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 3>in the financial crimes as an insurance policy because in

1150
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.880
<v Speaker 3>recently the State Supreme Court has agreed to hear a

1151
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:14.000
<v Speaker 3>key a key argument in his appeal for a new

1152
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 3>trial on the homicide charges. So in the event that

1153
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the homicide charges there's ever a new trial, or there's

1154
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 3>ever an overturning of that verdict, the state wanted an

1155
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.119
<v Speaker 3>insurance policy that said Elik Murdock would never see the

1156
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.239
<v Speaker 3>light of day. So they negotiated a plea and all

1157
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.320
<v Speaker 3>of the financials that the state brought to ensure that

1158
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Elik would go away to prison for a very very

1159
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 3>long time until he's a very very old man, regardless

1160
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 3>of what happens with any problems, any individualities in the

1161
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 3>homicide trial.

1162
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:48.119
<v Speaker 2>You're right that agent Owen still had years of work

1163
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.360
<v Speaker 2>ahead done, tangled the remaining loose ends of the mess

1164
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Alex had left behind. What were they still searching for

1165
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 2>after all of this time?

1166
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Where's the money? Right? I mean where's the money? The FEDS,

1167
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.519
<v Speaker 3>who had their own cases against Elc Murdoch say there's

1168
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:07.719
<v Speaker 3>at least four million dollars in missing money. I think

1169
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:11.000
<v Speaker 3>that's a very conservative estimate. There's money out there and

1170
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 3>they would like to find it. But also there is concern,

1171
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.039
<v Speaker 3>there is concern that somebody helped Elic Murdoch clean the

1172
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.000
<v Speaker 3>scene that night. There were multiple tire tracks out there

1173
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:27.639
<v Speaker 3>in wet grass. They were testimony that effect, the guns

1174
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:32.639
<v Speaker 3>are gone, evidence is gone, the scene was sanitized in

1175
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.559
<v Speaker 3>some respect. So I think there is also still some

1176
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 3>sense that if somebody in fact helped Elec Murdoch that night,

1177
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 3>they would like to find him.

1178
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.199
<v Speaker 2>And you say they were still trying to find to

1179
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 2>prove who had killed Stephen Smith and what if anything

1180
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the murders had to do with his death, and also

1181
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.760
<v Speaker 2>still investigating the death of Gloria Sadderfield, like you had mentioned,

1182
01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and they had exhumed her body and conducted a second autopsy.

1183
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, and we still don't know about the

1184
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:07.679
<v Speaker 3>death of Steven Smith, and we and we may never know.

1185
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:09.679
<v Speaker 3>But what we do know is that there are people

1186
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:13.400
<v Speaker 3>of interest, and none of them is Buster Murdock. And

1187
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 3>Buster has been the elder son who was who is

1188
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Stephen's classmate, has been adamant that he had absolutely nothing

1189
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Speaker 3>to do with Stephen's death, and has actually brought defamation

1190
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 3>lawsuits against some of the documentary makers for implying that

1191
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.519
<v Speaker 3>he did. So we don't know who killed Stephen Smith.

1192
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.320
<v Speaker 3>We may never know. Unfortunately I hope we will, and

1193
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.519
<v Speaker 3>I know the family desperately hopes we will, and with

1194
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Laurie Sadderfield, I think her family is satisfied, sadly that

1195
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.679
<v Speaker 3>her death was tragic but accidental, and she may may

1196
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 3>have had some sort of health event that led to

1197
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.519
<v Speaker 3>her fall potentially, But what's not in dispute is that

1198
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:56.159
<v Speaker 3>he robbed her children, took million three million dollars that

1199
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.159
<v Speaker 3>belonged to them, and never gave them a penny. That's

1200
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.800
<v Speaker 3>that's not dispute. So yes, there is. There are a

1201
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.599
<v Speaker 3>number of unresolved questions and we're not sure when will

1202
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:06.400
<v Speaker 3>know the answers.

1203
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.159
<v Speaker 2>You also right in the end, there is still controversy

1204
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 2>over the defense attorney Jim Griffith and his behavior regarding

1205
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Alex Murda, but we'll leave that for the readers to discover.

1206
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you so much for coming on

1207
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:25.079
<v Speaker 2>and talking about your book, The Devil at His Elbow,

1208
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Alex Murdau and the Fall of a Southern Dynasty. I

1209
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:31.119
<v Speaker 2>want to thank you very much for this interview for

1210
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.280
<v Speaker 2>people that might want to check out further about this story.

1211
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a website or do you do any

1212
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 2>social media?

1213
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks so much for having me. I really enjoyed

1214
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 3>this conversation. If enjoys the right word about such a

1215
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.440
<v Speaker 3>such a tragic case. Yes, please find me on Twitter

1216
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 3>at v Boreline at v b a U E R

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01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:55.920
<v Speaker 3>L E I N or on Instagram at Valerie dot Borline.

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01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.960
<v Speaker 3>And I do have a website which is also creatively

1219
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:02.679
<v Speaker 3>my nameborline dot com, and it'll give you information about

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01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.840
<v Speaker 3>the book and kind words that people have said about

1221
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 3>it so far. And I hope that your listeners will

1222
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 3>get a chance to read it and let me know

1223
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:10.400
<v Speaker 3>what they think.

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01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Valorie Borline, The Devil at his Elbow,

1225
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Alex Murdaut and the Fall of a Southern Dynasty. Thank

1226
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 2>you so much for this interview, and you have a

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01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 2>great evening and good night.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you,
