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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you are my gamester too.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes at a tangle. You don't mess with me,

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<v Speaker 2>mess with me baby, my gangster to.

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<v Speaker 3>Pouch Baby, You're.

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<v Speaker 2>A game statoo for Warner.

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<v Speaker 4>This podcast is designed to take you outside of your

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<v Speaker 4>comfort zone and make you question reality. Listener discretion is

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<v Speaker 4>a vibe the fellas.

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<v Speaker 1>This ain't my first time at the rodeos.

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<v Speaker 2>Howdy, folks, welcome back to Operation GCD, your host JJ

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<v Speaker 2>Vance Operation and GCD and not the Vice President. No

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<v Speaker 2>bombs here, folks, welcome back for a special swapcast here

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<v Speaker 2>with Julia from Cosmic Peach. How do and Julia looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to the conversation, me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much for joining me for this conversation. It's

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<v Speaker 3>something that I kind of hinted around about a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of times the last few shows we did together. And

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<v Speaker 3>You've been looking into this guy, and I've been looking

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<v Speaker 3>into this guy, and I'm excited to get into the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna have to tell you first and foremost, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you bringing this to my attention because I

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<v Speaker 2>had never heard of Randy Kraft and he fits right

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<v Speaker 2>into the same framework I'm already mapping and looking into

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a great puzzle piece for me. So

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely appreciated it looking for me. It's a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting character.

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<v Speaker 3>Very Yes, he is a very interesting character. And do

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like if Dave McGowan was still around, this

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<v Speaker 3>guy would have ended up on his radar at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>because I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point because

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking about something similar last night on my

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<v Speaker 2>show on Operation GCD Sundays, talking about all these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of this framework and network. We were kind of talking

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<v Speaker 2>about offline where all these folks know each other and

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<v Speaker 2>cross pass and in regards to Dave McGowan's where, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think he did the best he could

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<v Speaker 2>with the amount of information he had. I said the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing about John retired Detective John Cameron from Great

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<v Speaker 2>Falls PD who did the seminal study into the serial

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<v Speaker 2>killer most folks have probably never heard of Edward went Edwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Tuned in Operation GCD for more on that subject. But

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I covered on that was he wrote Edwards,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Cameron wrote a book about Edwards, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eight seven and eight years ago, two different books. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time. He did the best he could with the

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<v Speaker 2>information he had, but now we think we have more information.

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<v Speaker 2>So Edwards printed, sorry, Cameron printed a marriage license for example,

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<v Speaker 2>before Edward went Edwards in November of nineteen fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>in Idaho Falls, Idaho under the pseudonym that he had

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<v Speaker 2>fake credential four passports, driver's license, social Security guards for

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<v Speaker 2>name James Garfield, like the president in Langley, like the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA headquarters. So I found another marriage license from the

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<v Speaker 2>same date with the same names to the same lady,

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<v Speaker 2>with the same judges in the same stamp, under the

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<v Speaker 2>name Edward Wayne Edwards. So what I'm saying here is

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like the CIA may be Project Chaos like

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie's friend Charles Manson was. Maybe they issued him some

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<v Speaker 2>fake credentials because old ed there gets picked up for

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<v Speaker 2>a Lover's Lane murder in Portland, Ogon in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>after he does time in Deer Lodge Prison in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty under the name James Garfield Langley, so he gets

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<v Speaker 2>the same credentials reissued to him after he gets out

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<v Speaker 2>of a state prison stent in Deer Lodge Prison, the

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<v Speaker 2>same dear Lodge prison that the fella in Zodiac Killer

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<v Speaker 2>at Lake BERRYSA claimed to have escaped from murdered a

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<v Speaker 2>prison guard, stole a car, and was driving to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are all details from every wind Evers life, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't happen in nineteen sixty nine at the Lake

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<v Speaker 2>Bery s event. They had happened to add fIF in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's still compelling enough to make you wonder, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Who in who what victim or who? Brian Hartnell has

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to make any of that up. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>in the Santa It's it's in the Senate. When not

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Rosa. The Napa County Sheriff's Department please report, which

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<v Speaker 2>I went over on my show talking about it, says

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Lodge Prison. So Edward Wayne Edwards, whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>he murdered the guard or not, is not known, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was definitely in Dear Lodge prison in that riot

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<v Speaker 2>in fifty nine. He definitely When later after getting picked

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<v Speaker 2>up for he gets some reason, you know, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>either gets paroled or he does escape. It's not exactly

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<v Speaker 2>clear really, because again this man lives a very dubious

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<v Speaker 2>and mysterious life. But he gets picked up in November

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen sixty under the name James Garfield Langley again right,

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for a Lover's Lane murder, and he escapes to

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<v Speaker 2>prison that night, goes on the run, becomes one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most wanted men on the FBI's list, and has

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<v Speaker 2>picked up in Atlanta, Georgia in January of nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 2>so fourteen months later, so for thirteen and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>So there being is how would anyone know all those

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<v Speaker 2>intimate details of an event that actually happened and never

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<v Speaker 2>went unvers life and further substantiating John Cameron's claims, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree he's correcting this that Ed was the

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the hood that day at bary Essa, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was I viewed more of a like a Manson

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<v Speaker 2>two Bill Menzer style guy, like out of Ultimate Evil. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>and again the reason why Bill Mentzer's named Manson two

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<v Speaker 2>by Mary Terry's because he knew Charles Manson was part

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<v Speaker 2>of that original scene. And Ed has known Charles Manson

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<v Speaker 2>since nineteen fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe that much like the Son of Sam, that there

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<v Speaker 3>was probably multiple assailants that were running and ripping through

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<v Speaker 3>as the Zoe teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these are definitely teams, just ma'am. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I keep saying the man in the hood was ed

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<v Speaker 2>because he knew adds details of his life, right. And

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<v Speaker 2>on top of that and the letters from the Zodiac,

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<v Speaker 2>the zodiac describes that he gets his rocks off killing folks. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look up the exact quote, but let's paraphrase. Ed

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<v Speaker 2>ed Edwards gets busted for a nineteen eighty lover's Lane

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<v Speaker 2>murder in Wisconsin. He gets busted in two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he gets busted when his daughter watches a true

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<v Speaker 2>crime show on TV says, oh, wait, that I know

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<v Speaker 2>that town. I know that field where they found those bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, my father took me to that field and

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<v Speaker 2>we were living there and left the town that next day.

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<v Speaker 2>So she calls the Wisconsin authorities and tells him that

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<v Speaker 2>then gives her dnaated to compare against DNA left on

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<v Speaker 2>the victims genies of the young female and the lover's

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<v Speaker 2>Lane murder. Right, And that young female had semen on

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<v Speaker 2>her genes, not raped, no sexual assault. Semen passed through

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<v Speaker 2>the assailant's pants onto her jens onder her pants. So

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<v Speaker 2>it seems everyone and Edwards did in fact get his

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<v Speaker 2>rocks off strangling this young female.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So the evidence I would say is mounting that that

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<v Speaker 2>is Ed is definitely involved in that team.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh he has to be right.

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<v Speaker 2>And again he and Charles mal And met. They were

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one or twenty I think Ed was nineteen and

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<v Speaker 2>Charles was eighteen, and they met at the Chili Coothe

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<v Speaker 2>Reformatory in April of nineteen fifty two, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>there together for fifteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, their besties.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ed ed again that DNA came back on them

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<v Speaker 2>jeans and eighty. He didn't get the death penalty, so

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<v Speaker 2>he then admitted to another Lover's Lane murder that occurred

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven, and in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven in Ohio there was no death penalty available for

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<v Speaker 2>those crimes during that period. So then he admits to

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<v Speaker 2>another murder in nineteen ninety six in Ohio, and there

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<v Speaker 2>he gets the death penalty and he dies coincidentally, strangely enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple months before he was to be executed,

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<v Speaker 2>but five days before John Cameron, the man who did

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<v Speaker 2>the seminal studying to Ed Edwards, was supposed to come

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<v Speaker 2>visit him. Oh shit, Yeah, so someone didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>ed talking to mind opinion, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was just gonna say that it's more likely they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want him saying a peep.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you go, if folks of you or folks

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<v Speaker 2>of interwebs, go on, go on and see these interviews

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<v Speaker 2>that occurred in the spring of twenty eleven before ed dies.

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<v Speaker 2>This regard twenty ten, I think it is thanks twenty ten. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because he gets arrested, he gets uh, they come get

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<v Speaker 2>they come get his DNA and by warrant in June

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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and nine. So I think he dies

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<v Speaker 2>in April twenty and ten. But nonetheless, you can go

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<v Speaker 2>on there. He's a he's faking to be an old

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<v Speaker 2>man in a wheelchair on oxygen. That's all. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse. That's all a ruse. He did have type

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<v Speaker 2>two diabetes, but that was all a ruse. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>guards of the prison in Ohio where he ends up

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<v Speaker 2>dying said that they would wheel him back to his

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<v Speaker 2>cell and he would just stand up out of his

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<v Speaker 2>wheelchair and walk in. Fine. So this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>the diabolical nature of Edward Win Edwards.

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<v Speaker 3>Well John Wayne Gacy pulled a bunch of shit like

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<v Speaker 3>that too. He'd say he was having heard attacks. He

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<v Speaker 3>would say he couldn't, that he needed a wheelchair and

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<v Speaker 3>all this stuff, because he also, much like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the program Killers, was trying to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>his Was he on death row? He was, wasn't he?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? He was? Yeah, they executed Gaysey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was gonna say, because there were a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times when he would fake a heart attack, he'd

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<v Speaker 3>fake this, he'd faked that. He's one of these guys who, like,

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<v Speaker 3>until I listened to that podcast, The Clown and the

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<v Speaker 3>Candy Man, I didn't understand like how connected he really was,

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<v Speaker 3>because it just sometimes sounded like he was just making

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<v Speaker 3>up lie stories, you know, looking into it and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Nanni was was he politically connected? And you know

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot? And the JC stuff like he picks up

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<v Speaker 2>one of his victims from the same bar that Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>Dahmer got one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of his victims, right, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's connection between Gayzy and to Patsky, Norman and

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<v Speaker 2>who all, and that whole network stretches to Ace Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>They're Yonkers in New York in the son of same situation.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is like a huge web, right, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>multiple different I would say, like Portland area, like Seattle, California, Chicago, Dallas, Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Like there are like epicenters and then there's like little

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<v Speaker 3>spider webs that crawl out from those epicenters.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, for sure, that's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it this way, as any corporation does, they

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<v Speaker 2>have regional and uh, you know, divisions and you know

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<v Speaker 2>organizational structures throughout regions and whatnot. So you're describing various

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<v Speaker 2>regions that may have regional headquarters in right, mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>just like just like any corporation does, right, any corporate effort.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a corporate effort. This is an organized, bureaucratic

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<v Speaker 2>spook operator, in my opinion, under matters of quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>national security every time.

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<v Speaker 3>So would you say that Randy Craft fits this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of blueprint?

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<v Speaker 2>Not only does he fit this blueprint, he also I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very interested in his epicenter of activity around the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight presidential campaign of R. F. Kennedy in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>of which Randy Craft was very involved, and of which

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<v Speaker 2>same county campaign effort of the RFK nineteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 2>presidential campaign. So there's no way, there is no I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have any pictures of a proof, but there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way these folks don't know each other. Because he's got

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<v Speaker 2>got accolades for that campaign, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>He got a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 3>Just like how John Wayne Gacy has a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>himself with the first Lady, and just how Jeffrey Dahmer

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<v Speaker 3>somehow was able to hook up a private tour of

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<v Speaker 3>This guy's getting a personal letter of thanks from Robert F.

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy for his campaigning efforts. Like, there's no way, that's

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<v Speaker 2>Well, don't forget Ted Bundy. He was an assistant.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and Ted Bundy too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he and he dated some type of politician's daughter too, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he worked high up in that in the R

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmmm hm. So I kind of want to get

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<v Speaker 3>your opinion on something because you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of podcasts out there that cover true crime stuff, but

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<v Speaker 3>all they do is cover like the crime aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>like the truth about what serial killers really are. And

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<v Speaker 3>I find it interesting that most of the programmed serial

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<v Speaker 3>killers are the ones that get like the bitchin monikers

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<v Speaker 3>like BTK, Zodiac, Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, Like, what

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<v Speaker 3>are your thoughts on the moniker itself? Like this this

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<v Speaker 3>is a tactic used to stir up fear, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for sure, these are all Operation Gladio style campaigns,

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue, And you're describing the marketing aspects of it, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So like this guy, Randy Kraft, he becomes known as

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<v Speaker 3>the Scorecard Killer, but he's also known as the California Strangler.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say somebody else named him that, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Southern California Strangler, the freeway Killer, or the card Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've been calling him the Government cheese Killer because

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<v Speaker 3>he's clearly government and his last name is Craft. So

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<v Speaker 3>that makes a good that's a good nickname.

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<v Speaker 2>I like your marketing campaign on that one. And if

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<v Speaker 2>I made this real quick, I looked up the Bundy stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the driver to the lieutenant governor of.

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<v Speaker 3>The state of oh Okay, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was integral in the in the Nelson Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 2>campaign in the nineteen sixty eight Nelson Rockefeller campaign for president,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Seattle campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>What, yeah, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Ted Bundy's political connection. So we see what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying there is we see this repeating pattern, right, not

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<v Speaker 2>only the marketing and creative nicknames. We see the repeating

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<v Speaker 2>pattern of these political connections. We see the repeating pattern

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<v Speaker 2>I see with craft name, with Bundy, with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with her well, I don't know about with Craft, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember, but definitely with Bundy and Ed Edwards and

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Manson, they have these are men without fathers mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Richard Ramirez, you know, the list goes on

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<v Speaker 2>with these characters. But I do you think as a

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<v Speaker 2>repeating pattern of behavior and activities I think should not

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<v Speaker 2>be ignored. Now, what was uh, what was Craft's Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he had a father, but was what was

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<v Speaker 2>his relationship? You recall does he his father up in

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<v Speaker 2>the aerospace industry, right, yes?

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<v Speaker 3>So actually government cheese is weird because his struggles with

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<v Speaker 3>his family were because of his sexuality, a lot like

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Dahmer, except I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's dad played

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to do with helping jeff become who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>In this case, he was kind of shunned by his

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<v Speaker 3>family because he was gay, and it was in the

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<v Speaker 3>early sixties and that shit wasn't cool back then, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>or it was looked down upon. So he kind of

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<v Speaker 3>had like a weird relationship with his parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, And his dad was in the aerospace industry,

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<v Speaker 2>and I saw them before he got into politics. That

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<v Speaker 2>he joined the ROTC there at Claremont College in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>before later going and enlisting in the Air Force and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then later getting out and then going back

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<v Speaker 2>to Claremont. So this is he's got some odd in

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<v Speaker 2>and an ounce and trajectories in life. And again, his

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<v Speaker 2>associations in the nineteen sixty eight RFK campaign in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles is extremely questionable.

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<v Speaker 3>So here, let me get your thoughts on this craft

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<v Speaker 3>enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was

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<v Speaker 3>in support of the Vietnam War, and then later he

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<v Speaker 3>joined the Air Force. But do you find that some

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<v Speaker 3>of these psychopaths when they're put into programs as young

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<v Speaker 3>adults or even teenagers, that they could have been scouted

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<v Speaker 3>out as potentially being like highly functioning sociopaths or highly

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<v Speaker 3>functioning psychopaths, and they are kind of recruited in a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>that's a factor. I think some of this is multi generational.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, tell me about what you think about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it's always generational or do you think

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<v Speaker 3>am I back? Am I back?

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<v Speaker 2>You're back? You're back? Do you?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, I think I think the rule is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's multi generational. But the exception to that rule

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<v Speaker 2>is when it's not multi generational. So there are examples

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<v Speaker 2>of that, but the overwhelming pattern shows that it is

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<v Speaker 2>these are multi generational aspects that we don't quite understand.

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<v Speaker 3>So would you say, because I think like Ted Bundy's

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<v Speaker 3>stepdad was military, Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a scientist or something like that. Uh, like you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying it comes from like the dad's side of the fan,

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<v Speaker 3>or it be random, or.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be either one. It could be either one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it could be mom's at side, dad's side.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, for example, so let's look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was described to you there before the

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<v Speaker 2>show here started, Julia. But the Zodiac victim and survivor

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Hartnell at Lake Berry. I say, who, I would

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<v Speaker 2>argue at the one who stabbed a bunch of times

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<v Speaker 2>at Edward's. That is the man in the hood and

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<v Speaker 2>the magical you Beck, you Beck? Yeah, yeah, So let's

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<v Speaker 2>look at let's look at so I think, understanding all

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<v Speaker 2>these crimes, you gotta understand only the criminology of the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the the you know the aspects, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, environments, the families of the criminals. Right. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta do the same thing with the victims, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta you gotta understand that is why are they

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<v Speaker 2>a victim? Is at random? I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, if you start looking at it in a

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<v Speaker 2>generational regard, it seems to indicate it's not so. Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Hartnell gets stabbed a bunch of times by the guy

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<v Speaker 2>and the seemingly thelemic magical ritual hood and what it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a ritual sacrifice around water uh filmed in

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<v Speaker 2>a snuff capacity by two men who sat on a

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<v Speaker 2>boat thirty meters away from the victims and watched them

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<v Speaker 2>screen for thirty minutes while one of the victims, Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Hartnell crawled to the road and his Girlfriendsila Shepherd, would

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<v Speaker 2>later die in the ambulance on the way to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>but Brian Hartnell would survive despite the very tragic circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of stavings. So Brian Hartnell looking at him.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother was a woman by the name Walker was

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<v Speaker 2>the last name, and her father seems to have been

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<v Speaker 2>the hereditary member of the society the Cincinnati the folks

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<v Speaker 2>that started America and the secret society that is, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue still very much runs it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would argue there's very much been a factional feud in

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<v Speaker 2>that society since Aaron Burr murdered the President general of

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<v Speaker 2>that society, Alexander Hamilton, in eighteen oh four. I called

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<v Speaker 2>him the anti liberty faction and the liberty faction that

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<v Speaker 2>would be Burr on the anti liberty faction representing the

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<v Speaker 2>Crown and the Vatican his background as backers, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrably proven. The things historians miss on that is they

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<v Speaker 2>don't claim that Aaron Burr started that coup until after

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<v Speaker 2>he murdered Alexander Hamilton. And the reason that said is

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<v Speaker 2>because no one wants to understand that Alexander Hamlets was

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<v Speaker 2>the President General Society at the time, so and Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Burr was a fellow New York Chapter Society member. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is a modern day knighthood. It's literally the new

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<v Speaker 2>incarnation of the Knight's Templar. These folks forefathers were the

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<v Speaker 2>Knights Templar, and these folks started America and the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Society formed by the original officers of Washington's Army in

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<v Speaker 2>May of seventeen eighty three. America formed in September seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three, So that's there's really not much dispute, so

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<v Speaker 2>it gets passed down hereditary from the original members. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to a situation like Brian hart Hartnell's

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<v Speaker 2>maternal grandfather Walker there if he doesn't have any sons

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<v Speaker 2>and then it gets passed down through the daughter to

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<v Speaker 2>the next available paternal lineage. Right. So, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>go back in that lineage, Colonel Walker, the original member there,

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<v Speaker 2>who the hereditary member appears been passed down to Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Hartnell's maternal grandfather. The original member was a major figure

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<v Speaker 2>in this personal friend of Washington and assistant to General

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<v Speaker 2>von Steubens. So this is a very integral member within

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<v Speaker 2>this power structure that the membership is getting passed down through.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that might plan to a factory some

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<v Speaker 2>of these things. Because Brian Hartnell's grandfather died and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was November of nineteen sixty six, when he

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<v Speaker 2>was seventeen years old. So it seems like young seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>year old Brian Hartnell got himself hereditarily inducted into the

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<v Speaker 2>secret society that started America three two, just under three

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<v Speaker 2>years before he gets stabbed a bunch of times.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so crazy. That is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then go ahead, well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, so it's like we could

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<v Speaker 3>compare it kind of actually not kind of, we can

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<v Speaker 3>compare it to like the Laurel Canyon of serial killers

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<v Speaker 3>and victims, right, because if you look at the Laurel Canyon,

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<v Speaker 3>like David Crosby and some of these assholes with Lutely,

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<v Speaker 3>you know they've got family members going all the way

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<v Speaker 3>back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well that not on that note, let's look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Manson family murders there in Benedict Canyon of

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<v Speaker 2>that same Laueral Canyon scene. Right from the sixties, you

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<v Speaker 2>got Abigail Folger, the Coffee Foundation, and if you go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Folgers, Peter Folger was the founder of

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<v Speaker 2>Nantucket back in the late sixteen hundreds. He's Peter Folger's

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<v Speaker 2>the grandfather of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's mother's the daughter

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<v Speaker 2>of Peter Volder Maryland and Marilyn Monroe's father. Again, people

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<v Speaker 2>want to dispute these things. I've looked pretty well into

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<v Speaker 2>it to come to a conclusion here, because she does

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<v Speaker 2>seem to have Monroe heritage through her mother's family, even

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<v Speaker 2>though she would later choose the name Monroe as this

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<v Speaker 2>monic as the pseudonym. Right, it seems to be that

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<v Speaker 2>that might be why. But my point being is DNA

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<v Speaker 2>has proven that she's a Gifford. Her father was a Gifford,

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Gifford. Charles Gifford's mother was a Franklin. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>manal grandmother was a Franklin. Marilyn Monroe's sixth great grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>was Benjamin Franklin. I'm sorry, six sixth great uncle, sixth grade.

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<v Speaker 3>Ancre knew it you was gonna drop a freaking bomb

421
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<v Speaker 3>like that. Look at this.

422
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<v Speaker 2>So as a result of that was speaking of Laurel Canyon,

423
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<v Speaker 2>seeing we got Marilyn Monroe. You know who's the Church

424
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<v Speaker 2>of Satan's dedicated in the Bible's dedicated her in one

425
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<v Speaker 2>of the parties, right, and she's she's cousins folds your

426
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<v Speaker 2>cousins with Abigail Folger. And it gets worse than that

427
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.960
<v Speaker 2>because if you look at John Markham, the processed church

428
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<v Speaker 2>attorney who plays a lot of things later in life,

429
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<v Speaker 2>but notably in two thousand and two, he's helping Leslie

430
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<v Speaker 2>van Hooton get out of prison, right, the Manson girl

431
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<v Speaker 2>from the La Bianca merders. Right. And if you look

432
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<v Speaker 2>at who takes over Jay Sebring, the victim at the

433
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Tate Polanski him and the Manson murders. The man who

434
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<v Speaker 2>takes over his enterprise inherits it after his murder is

435
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<v Speaker 2>a man by the name of Jim Markham. He is Markham,

436
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<v Speaker 2>cousins with the processed Church attorney John Markham.

437
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<v Speaker 3>My god, right, So it's not just the killers, it's

438
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<v Speaker 3>the victims too, and.

439
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<v Speaker 2>It gets worse, it gets you're spot on, Gaus. We're

440
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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Tate's father, US Army and Intelligence Colonel Paul Tait.

441
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<v Speaker 2>His second great grandfather was Lieutenant Jesse Tate from the

442
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<v Speaker 2>Virginia chapter of the Society, the Cincinnati It seems like

443
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<v Speaker 2>he was a hereditary member, right, and he had no sons.

444
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<v Speaker 2>He had no sons, and Sharon Tate was pregnant with

445
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<v Speaker 2>eight and a half months pregnant with her son, which

446
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<v Speaker 2>would have been the hereditary member to receive membership from

447
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<v Speaker 2>the Society from Paul Tate. So wild. So I think

448
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<v Speaker 2>what we're looking at is what you're saying. These elite families, right,

449
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<v Speaker 2>and these disputes that they have, and we were told

450
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<v Speaker 2>the Pensance tale if you will have you know these

451
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<v Speaker 2>parapolitical storylines. You guys deal with these factors and chew

452
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<v Speaker 2>honus for a while when they're really just doing their

453
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<v Speaker 2>secret Society family bullshit few right.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Well, do you believe jj your personal opinion, are you

455
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<v Speaker 3>scared of serial killers? Like, do you think that there

456
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<v Speaker 3>are real, live, just random psychopaths out there that just

457
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<v Speaker 3>want to fucking just murder people? Or do you think

458
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<v Speaker 3>that a lot of the hype and a lot of

459
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<v Speaker 3>the sensationalism behind it is mostly programmed.

460
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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a great question, Julie. And in fact,

461
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<v Speaker 2>I Don't'm not an expert in anything, but I have

462
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<v Speaker 2>met a couple of these characters. I know a few

463
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<v Speaker 2>of what you're talking about. I would say they're all programs.

464
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<v Speaker 3>You would say, Okay, yeah, Now.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you, I'll give you a great example and

466
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<v Speaker 2>I'll tie you back into the process in the RFK

467
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<v Speaker 2>murder for you. So I met a fellow back in

468
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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, face to face, about eighteen inches

469
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<v Speaker 2>away through a thin layer of plexiglass, a cannibalistic, psychopathic

470
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<v Speaker 2>kid diddling homicidal, a serial killer by the name of

471
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<v Speaker 2>Nathaniel bar jonah Right. He had attempted to murder, eating

472
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<v Speaker 2>the rape, u the raped, and attempted to murder and

473
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<v Speaker 2>eat in five young kids in Massachusetts. The judge that

474
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<v Speaker 2>let him out was the same judge that let Teddy

475
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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy walk in the Chapiquittic situation. He was the special

476
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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor in that case. He was later a judge, but

477
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<v Speaker 2>he was a special prosecutor in that case. Right, So

478
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<v Speaker 2>in chap Equittic, the victim in chap Equittic happened to

479
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<v Speaker 2>be rfk's chief campaign staffer from the nineteen sixty eight

480
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<v Speaker 2>presidential campaign, a woman that had a lot of details,

481
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of details, and it just so happens old

482
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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Kennedy six months prior to the art of the

483
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<v Speaker 2>Chapiquittic situation happened to be meeting with the Cambridge mayor

484
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<v Speaker 2>in the processed church, in the Cambridge location of the

485
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<v Speaker 2>processed church. That's documentary.

486
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<v Speaker 3>Fuck off.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

488
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<v Speaker 3>So what about what about? Like, so you met you've

489
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<v Speaker 3>met this guy, right and you feel like he was

490
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<v Speaker 3>grassroots or you feel like it was generational.

491
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<v Speaker 2>I not only think that it was generational, I think

492
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>he was a mind control of assassin style. He was

493
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<v Speaker 2>let loose from the Bridgewater Mental Hospital, the same Bridgewater

494
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Mental hospital that my former stalker and want to be

495
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>pr Rep. Buffalo Jared Riviza allegedly sits in today. He's

496
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>another mind controlled guy went on multi state killing spree.

497
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<v Speaker 2>He sits in the same mental state out statemental hospital

498
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<v Speaker 2>that let Nathaniel bar Jonah lose to go. He told

499
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<v Speaker 2>the judge, he told numerous psychiatrists in nineteen ninety one.

500
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Bar Jonah did before they let him out of this

501
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>joint that he was going to murder, rape, murder and

502
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>eat young children. He told the judge that judge it now,

503
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you're good, dude, you're good. The same guy to let

504
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Teddy Candy walk from the tap of quittic situation. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what Nathaniel bar Jonah did four weeks after

506
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<v Speaker 2>to let him out. He kidnapped, attempted, he was in

507
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the process of raping and was going to murder and

508
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 2>eat that young boy. And they caught him. They gave

509
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<v Speaker 2>him probation, and they shipped him off to Great Falls, Montana,

510
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 2>which has an identical profile. If you're familiar with the

511
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<v Speaker 2>Son of sam cold activity to the Son of sam

512
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<v Speaker 2>Mi not situation.

513
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<v Speaker 3>Wow, do you think it's also a pattern because Randy

514
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Craft Government cheese killer. He by the way, thank you.

515
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<v Speaker 3>He also fits the pattern of uh, Jeffrey Dahmer and

516
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Ted Bundy in the way that he just keeps getting

517
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>away with it, like they will caught him multiple times,

518
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 3>like pretty much in the act, and he still will

519
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 3>either get a slap on the wrist or he'll get probation.

520
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Randy Craft got away with murdering young men and boys

521
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:47.319
<v Speaker 3>for a decade and got caught several times and got

522
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 3>let right back out on the street.

523
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>JJ, that can get That's a pattern. No, that's you're

524
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 2>spot on. That's a pattern. So Nathaniel bar Jonah in

525
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven in Massachusetts, there he got arrested. This

526
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>is put him in They threw him in prison for

527
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty years. He got transferred to that mental institution, right,

528
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.279
<v Speaker 2>but he uh, he did fourteen years. I think him

529
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 2>there before they let him out. But he uh. In

530
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, he's arrested raping. They catch him in

531
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<v Speaker 2>the act of raping an eight year old boy in

532
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>his car and there's another eight year old boy already

533
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 2>that he already rapped half dead in the.

534
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Trunk, and he got probation for that.

535
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>He got probation when he repeated that act in nineteen

536
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety one.

537
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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

538
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, here's the deal that same judge that they

539
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>can let him off in ninety one and gave him

540
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>probation to let him out of that mental institution. Is

541
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the same prosecutor like Teddy Canny walk on the chap

542
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 2>aquitic situation, right, you know, decades prior, and the way

543
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 2>I look at it is process. People are going to process.

544
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, you know what I mean?

545
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 3>And you're you're you were in the military, right allegedly.

546
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding you. I did twenty years in the Air

547
00:29:58.359 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Force Military Police.

548
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So answer me this question too, right, because

549
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<v Speaker 3>this is something that I find inconsistent with Randy Kraft's

550
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 3>story because he, much like a lot of the Laurel

551
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 3>Canyon cast of characters, was stationed at Edwards Air Force

552
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Base right in southern California. He quickly rose to the

553
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 3>rank of Airmen first class and a supervisor manager, and

554
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 3>he was in charge of pain test planes. Are you

555
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:31.960
<v Speaker 3>familiar with what that might have been?

556
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, you got a lot of Nazis there. So Edwards

557
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 2>is part of Air Force Material Command. Air Force Material

558
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Command was largely set up by Project the Project paper

559
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<v Speaker 2>Clip Nazis in the headquarters of which is at Ry

560
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Patterson Air Force Base where they would later run all

561
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of their alien syops out of. Right, So there is

562
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 2>that is an interesting detail in the matter I would

563
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>be I would also like to know the epicenter of

564
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 2>activity with one specific cult. So when Parsons dies in

565
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 2>the whole agape Oer, the Oto and Pasadena kind of

566
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, splinters, he didn't actually found the Pasadena Lodge.

567
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>The founder of it was a different fellow, and that

568
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 2>fella ran off with parsons actual wife. Hubbard ran off

569
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>with parsons wife's girlfriend. They're all doing weird sexual stuff.

570
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 2>So who knows. But this is just I legally documented

571
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>relationships I'm discussing. But then there's Marjorie Cameron that's in

572
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>the mix, right. She would go on to start a

573
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 2>different cult in Riverside County, California, right outside of Edward's

574
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Air Force Base, right right near the administrative headquarters of Scientology,

575
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 2>right near Cabazon, Indian.

576
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 5>JJ, Right, So there's an episode of activity there, right

577
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 5>with all that, With all that stuff, they're like, that's

578
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 5>not all happening independently and around the same location.

579
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Fuck No, especially not with like a bunch of the

580
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Laurel Kenyon crew coming up out of Edward's Air Force Base,

581
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, with their family and so and so. Keeping

582
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 3>that in mind what you just said, someone who is

583
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 3>stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and there's supposed to

584
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<v Speaker 3>be a supervisor manager of testing of excuse me, painting

585
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 3>test planes, would there ever be a time where they

586
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>would have gotten trained on what to do with dead

587
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 3>bodies and stuff.

588
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>No, but I'm glad you bring that up, because clearly

589
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>someone trained Edward when Edwards to be a highly skilled

590
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and very disciplined assassin, and.

591
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Someone same with Randy Craft.

592
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Randy Craft, Yeah, Randy Craft, definitely, you're spot on me.

593
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 2>And he definitely got some similar training for sure, with

594
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the way he operates ors. It's it's evident, it's evident.

595
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Right again, I'm starting to see patterns amongst all these folks.

596
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>And and what I would argue is that that that

597
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>title that you described him as is likely just to

598
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>cover cover, cover, title and cover.

599
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 3>It has to be right, it has to be like,

600
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 3>go ahead, Well, I was gonna say when I describe

601
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.960
<v Speaker 3>a couple of these victims and what he did to them,

602
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I just don't Maybe I'm not a rocket science the

603
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 3>scientist JJ.

604
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 2>But neither was Jack Parsons. But look what he achieved.

605
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 3>Well hear me out. I just don't know when the

606
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 3>proper disposal of a dead body would come up in

607
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 3>the painting test planes class, Like I are those two

608
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 3>things they do?

609
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Do they?

610
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Is that like an elective class you can take. I mean, like,

611
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck? How does he know this stuff?

612
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say it's again something similar to the

613
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 2>reason why Edward. When Edwards continually gets issued the same

614
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>credentials and fake, fake ideas passports and social Security cards

615
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>under the name doctor James Garfield Langley, even before he

616
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and after he gets out of state prison in Montana.

617
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is we're dealing with similar programs of

618
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>cover stories and cover IDs, and it's tough to discern

619
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the facts when we know there's obvious subfuge at hand.

620
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Wait, I mean, so, I know you're gonna touch

621
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 3>on Marjorie Cameron right quick, but I did want to say.

622
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was just going to point out that cult. Now,

623
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 2>That's all I was going to point out, was that cult.

624
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh outside of Edward's Air Force base. Yeah, yeah,

625
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 3>with the sex magic.

626
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 2>And the yip. Well you were talking about the Laurel

627
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Canyon crowd. That's precisely who she's associated with. So part

628
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>of her cult was Dean Stockwell, Kenneth Anger. This is

629
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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties, right, So this is before Laurel Canyon, right,

630
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>So you have that same predecessor of crowded, the Laurel

631
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Canyon scene and the Manson family scene around this cult

632
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 2>in Riverside County in the post Agape Lodge. So Brent

633
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>branching the two errors, right the forties, late thirties and

634
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>forties to the sixties is branched with Marjorie Cameron, Kenneth Anger,

635
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Dean Stockwell, the actor I'm missing, oh, Dennis Hoppers involved

636
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>in this, right.

637
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 3>That is so crazy And it has to be connected too, because.

638
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Look at the name the children.

639
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well a.

640
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Lot of connotations there, right.

641
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I was gonna say, Randy Kraft, and I

642
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 3>wanted to get your thoughts on this. He only served

643
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 3>thirteen months and he was supposedly discharged on medical grounds

644
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 3>because he told his supervisors that he was gay. Do

645
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 3>you find that credible?

646
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, that would have been the disposition of that activity

647
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

648
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

649
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean if you told him that even when I

650
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>first joined before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell

651
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>on to Serra two thousand and nine or ten. And yeah,

652
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 2>have you said that you would just immediately get it,

653
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>You get a general discharger. That's how they would do it.

654
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 3>But do you find that it could be just like

655
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 3>a likely cover to send him on his merry murdering way.

656
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's a I

657
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 2>don't think they're mutually exclusive. It could be both, it

658
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>could be both. Let's take a quick note here before

659
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I take this on the screen. Note Julia and the

660
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>repeating patterns we see here. So while in Mexico, and

661
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>this is the fifties, Marjorie Cameron began doing blood rituals

662
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>in the hopes of communicating with Parsons. And then you'll

663
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>see when she heard the unidentified flying object had allegedly

664
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 2>been seen over Washington, DC Capitol Building, she considered a

665
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 2>response to parsons death. So this is what I mean

666
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>by these people are all doing to limit rituals, blood rituals.

667
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And they're also ancient Ilian cargo cults.

668
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they are, Oh my god. So maybe he was

669
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 3>dismissed because he was gay, I actually think it's a cover.

670
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's what I'm saying. It's both right,

671
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a convenient way to shitcote it because he is

672
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 2>obviously an ardent homosexual and the sado massachist.

673
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 6>Of that mm hmm.

674
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 3>And what makes it interesting to me is because government

675
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 3>She's was said to be a brilliant genius, that he

676
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 3>had a high IQ. That's his name, man, That's that's it.

677
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be the title. I'm gonna put that in

678
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the title My control Murders and government cheese.

679
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes. So he was said to have like this super

680
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.519
<v Speaker 3>high IQ. And after his time in the military, he

681
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:22.000
<v Speaker 3>immediately found employee with an aerospace program.

682
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Ye.

683
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 3>And he worked for this aerospace firm for the majority

684
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 3>of the time that he was ripping and running through

685
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 3>dudes buttholes.

686
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of.

687
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.559
<v Speaker 3>A lot of ripping, a lot of running. But he

688
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 3>keep he kept getting away with it. Like he would

689
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 3>be caught in the act JJ of some of the

690
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 3>most debaucherous shit you can imagine, and they'd be like eh,

691
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 3>and they would just let let him go or give

692
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 3>him a probation or or nothing at all.

693
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Same thing we see with Ed Edwards as pal Charles Manson.

694
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>This same thing we see with Ted Bundy when he

695
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>escapes prisons, goes to airports and gets an airline ticket

696
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 2>under his name Ted.

697
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Bundy, right right, So okay, nothing.

698
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Like excaping prison, being wanted by the Feds and city

699
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>police and being like, you know, I'm gonna go get

700
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a book an airline ticket under my own name.

701
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he knew, just like I think government cheese

702
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>and actually Jeffrey Dahmer, because that night that one little

703
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 3>boy is sipped. Then the police returned to that victim

704
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 3>right back up to his apartment and was just like,

705
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.920
<v Speaker 3>enjoy your butt sex and like left or whatever.

706
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Enjoy them rip some runs. So what you're pointing out here,

707
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.519
<v Speaker 2>may is you're pointing out a pattern of behavior here

708
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 2>where this is repeating patterned behavior. They're always let out

709
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and you'll see that and the reaction of

710
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>these individuals when they are finally arrested. They are utterly

711
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 2>shocked and in all because they've been allowed to operate

712
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 2>with impunity, murdering, ripping and running butttholes and stealing shit

713
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and doing hood rat shit for so long. When they're

714
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 2>finally busted, they don't understand it because they've been allowed

715
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to do these things under some sort of mission in Operation.

716
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 3>JJU stole the words right out of my mouth because

717
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 3>when I tell you how Randy Kraft got caught, you're

718
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna shit your pants. And like, how shocked he was

719
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 3>that he even got caught, because.

720
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Every time, every time, every fucking time.

721
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 3>So the first victim that he got caught with was

722
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.079
<v Speaker 3>a thirteen year old little boy. He found him, took

723
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 3>him back to his apartment, gave him an overdose of drugs,

724
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 3>raped him, beat him, and then he left for work.

725
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 3>And somehow this little boy got out, made his way

726
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 3>to an emergency room. He told the police where to

727
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 3>go to the apartment. This little boy had to get

728
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 3>his stomach pumped, he had to get all types of

729
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.719
<v Speaker 3>medical treatment. And the little boy was like, yes, this

730
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.960
<v Speaker 3>man drugged me and raped me and beat me and

731
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 3>there was no charges ever filed against him. That was

732
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 3>his first victim, a thirteen year old boy.

733
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, So that sounds all like Michael Aquino in

734
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the Presidio incident, when a young a young female victim

735
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 2>identified intimate details of the inside decorations and furniture of

736
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>his home let alone identifying him as Mikey in the

737
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 2>base PX.

738
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 3>And yet no charges, right, no charges, no, And and

739
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 3>it keeps it keeps going like that. And what you'll

740
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 3>find is he actually killed about seventy young men and

741
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:28.880
<v Speaker 3>boys over his ripping and running butthole's career, and the

742
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 3>majority of them were United States Marine Corps officers.

743
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I saw that, dude. Yeah, he's even operating on some

744
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>of these barracks and installations. Who's letting him on there?

745
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Who's not letting him?

746
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

747
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I was an MP in the Air Force twenty years, ma'am.

748
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>You ain't getting on a base unless you fucking know

749
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>some shit and know some people.

750
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 3>You have to have at least a cat card, some

751
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 3>shit something.

752
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm sure if you do some weird shit

753
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>around some barracks, folks are going to call that in,

754
00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And you got to know

755
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.639
<v Speaker 2>some ship to people to make sure that nothing happens,

756
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean to have some top cover, if

757
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 2>you will, right right.

758
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 3>My ex husband worked out an Air Force base and

759
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 3>it was hard to even let me get in because

760
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.679
<v Speaker 3>we would go to like the bowling alley and stuff sometimes,

761
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 3>and those.

762
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Security forces guys were dicks.

763
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 3>Huh, Yeah, they were so. I mean I find it

764
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 3>interesting that he was able to get to these Marine

765
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Corps officers so easily. He killed a bunch of Marine Corps.

766
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems almost targeted the Marine Corps.

767
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't. I don't think that's an accident at all.

768
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he could just be like I really

769
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.159
<v Speaker 2>like marines, where someone could be like, this is who

770
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.199
<v Speaker 2>they're targeting. And again, and I'll look into it. I

771
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 2>haven't gotten a chance to yet, because I'm really interested

772
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 2>in the victimology and who these victims are and where

773
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>they come from. Obviously, because I'll give you another example

774
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 2>here in the moment when we get back to some

775
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>more tales of Laural Canyon with Leno la Bianca in

776
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>his background, because that's fucking interesting relative to matters of

777
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Edwards Air Force BACE and whatnot. But nonetheless, it is

778
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the victims. I think the these are our targeted things.

779
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 2>And again, when you're dealing with all these Marine Corps officers,

780
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you have to ask, what the fuck is really going

781
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 2>on there?

782
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 3>What do you think about this in relation to the

783
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 3>information you brought up about the the U, What is

784
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 3>it like a cult that was right outside of Edward's

785
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Air Force Base or it was what would you call it?

786
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know their exact location. I just know

787
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.559
<v Speaker 2>they were in Riverside, California, and the same location as

788
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Ewards Air Force Base and the same location as is

789
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the administrative worldwide headquarters of the Scientologists.

790
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Well, what would you call it? Like a religious sect?

791
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 3>A cult?

792
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

793
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

794
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I would call it an offshoot of Thelma. It was

795
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 2>an offshoot of the Gopy Lodge of the Ato.

796
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, because I meant I saw that it mentioned sex

797
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 3>magic in there and like a bunch of weird stuff.

798
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 3>So what do you think about Randy Kraft ritualizing his

799
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 3>victims in like a specific way? What would what would

800
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>you think about that?

801
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I'm glad you said that. And again this

802
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>is this is an offshoot of the Yappeo logist is

803
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Jack Parson's wife ex wife, you know, he his second

804
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 2>wife there, Marjorie Cameron. So and you can see here

805
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 2>even in writings from Gerald Yorke here from Wicked Folks, right,

806
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.760
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about thelemic stuff because the Wicked stuff all

807
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>it's all Wicka is an offshoot of Thelema as well.

808
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 2>And they all they all embrace Crowley. They're all talking

809
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.280
<v Speaker 2>about we love Corolla. Here we go and speaking of embrace,

810
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>embracing his thelemic beliefs. So we see that over and

811
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>over again again. This is an offshoot. So we were

812
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>talking about the sado masochistic uh rape and torture, especially

813
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 2>of males. That is right out of Crowley. And I'll

814
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 2>bring up a quote in the moment, but that you're

815
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.639
<v Speaker 2>spot on with this is Crafts activities are fucking Thelemic

816
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 2>as shit if you asked me so.

817
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 3>For example, one of his signatures was that he would

818
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 3>burn the victim eyeballs out with a car cigarette lighter.

819
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 3>He would bite their nipples off, he would shove ballpoint

820
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 3>pins down their penis holes, and he would he would

821
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 3>cut he would literally.

822
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, but he would.

823
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 3>He would rape them obviously in the bee hole, and

824
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 3>then he would cut their penis and ball bag off

825
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>and then he would have a sock up the bee hole.

826
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 3>That's how he ended up getting caught. Is his signature

827
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 3>was a sock up the bee hole. So what do

828
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 3>you what do you think about it?

829
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>But I have heard them, Well, what what do you think?

830
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Of it in regards to ritualism, because this is this

831
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 3>goes beyond like, oh, this guy just like strangled some

832
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 3>dudes and like threw him out on the side of

833
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 3>the road. This is going to the next level of

834
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 3>inhuman debauchery.

835
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Julie, you're spot on, man. Look at the

836
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.280
<v Speaker 2>West Memphis three victims and the mutilation of those of

837
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>their genitals. So and again we look back at the

838
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.440
<v Speaker 2>statements of Alistair Curley and these people who are adhere

839
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 2>to them. And Alistair Curley believed there were three forms

840
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 2>of sex magic autoerotic, heterosexual, and homosexual. He claimed that

841
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 2>by performing specific so specific sexual rituals for different things

842
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 2>is how I take it right. He claimed that by

843
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 2>performing specific sex sexual rituals, including sato massochistic sex rituals

844
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 2>on young boys, one could achieve financial gains and personal success. Further,

845
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>for the mutilation in genitals, the sadomasochistic acts of burning

846
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 2>things nipples and bit and shit off and behole socks

847
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>of be holes and whatnot, look no further than the

848
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 2>motivations of the people that they of the religion they claim, right, it.

849
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Has to be because it's like there are a lot

850
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 3>of things that make me think that this is very

851
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 3>similar to Ted Bundy and to Jeffrey Dahmer, because Jeffrey

852
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Dahmer did a lot of weird stuff with the genitals.

853
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 3>He did a lot of weird stuff about like hacking

854
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 3>and slashing and eating and cannibalizing and like keeping parts

855
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 3>for later. And you know Ted Bundy was a necrophile

856
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 3>and he was doing a bunch of weird stuff like this,

857
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's like why, we're why. It's like they go

858
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 3>beyond just killing the person. They're like shoving socks up

859
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 3>bee holes, they're cutting penises and ball bag off, they're

860
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 3>people's eyes out, Like what is this?

861
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>J J.

862
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's the whole hog effect as I explained it. Man,

863
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 2>it's the it's the they're gonna get the most utility

864
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 2>out of out of the situation. So, not only is

865
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>it ritual human sacrifice following the seemingly the words of

866
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 2>early they're in. Uh, not only is it probably hits

867
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 2>many of these instances, it's also causes chaos and terror

868
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>processed church style in accordance with Eric trist Tavistock's Social

869
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Turbulence paper from nineteen sixty three, which seems to indicate

870
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 2>precisely the outline and framework of what the process does

871
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>in trist in the process invaded America at the same time,

872
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and back to Laurel Canyon. Eric trist the founder of

873
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Tavistock and writer of the Social Turbulence, the philosophy of

874
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 2>causing chaos and terror on a society in which to

875
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>mold it, would then go to UCLA. His son would

876
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>become the manager in music publishing company president of the

877
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Grateful Dead. And I would argue this goes in line

878
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>with Bill Colby's folks and his machinations of Operation Gladio

879
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to achieve the same goals. And we look at folks

880
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 2>like Michael Aquino, who was a Colby queer. That's what

881
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 2>it's working title, all of Colby's people. I'm gone them

882
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Colby Queer's not because of their sexual natures, even though

883
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>that may be the case, but because they're strange and unusual.

884
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>And we have a hard time explaining these matters in

885
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 2>our day and age and relating to whatever the fuck's

886
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 2>going on because these people have made it intentionally strange

887
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>and unusual and hard to explain. But if Dave McGowan

888
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 2>was alive, today, he claimed that Bill Colby brought Project

889
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix home and that was the Serial Killers. And if

890
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 2>he was alive today, I think he would adapt the

891
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 2>same thing that I'm saying right now and say that

892
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>what they did was with that is built a Satanic

893
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>framework what's called satanic murder ink. So in order to

894
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 2>get folks to do hood rat shit, you got to

895
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>have a framework in which to recruit folks and operate

896
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 2>within this network. So they built a satanic murder inc

897
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 2>network through these Satanic cults beginning in nineteen sixty six

898
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 2>with a Colby queer, Michael Aquina. Now he would argue

899
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 2>that he doesn't join the Church of Satan until sometime

900
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>between sixty seven and sixty nine, which I'm narrowing down

901
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and I've got five different dates. This dude claims he

902
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>first meets Levey and then later joins the Church of Satan.

903
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is he's bullshitting on all of them.

904
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 2>He was there from day one, Because this is much

905
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 2>like the Mafia's murdering. This is satanic murder ink, and

906
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.119
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do their hood rat shit the same way,

907
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 2>but they're going to use this framework of Satanism in

908
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>which to accomplish it. And that's why we see in

909
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 2>McGowan's program to kill folks like Richard Ramirez getting a

910
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>one on one with Anton Levey and San Francisco before

911
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 2>his terror campaign in Los Angeles.

912
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 6>Too much, that's too much, right, So what would you

913
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 6>say about I wanted to kind of like touch on

914
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 6>something you mentioned just now, what would you say about

915
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 6>these guys are kind of mixing business with pleasure because

916
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 6>they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy to some

917
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 6>degree as well.

918
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not mutually exclusive. So let's take a look

919
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 2>at Edwondyn Edwards. I said he got picked up in

920
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Portland in nineteen sixty four lovers Lane. I said he

921
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>was probably most likely and a likely probability is the

922
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 2>guy like berry S and the Zodiac mask in September

923
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. He He also is convicted of doing two

924
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.639
<v Speaker 2>different lovers lane murders, one in Wisconsin and eighty and

925
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>one in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven. So what I'm

926
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 2>saying is it doesn't have to murder folks in lovers lanes.

927
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not what you're saying is they're not me Usually exclusive.

928
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not business and pleasure. He mixes both. So that's

929
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 2>that's what I mean by the whole hog effect, and

930
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it is a bit so not only is it the

931
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>whole hog effect economically speaking, ritually speaking, they're gonna achieve

932
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:14.599
<v Speaker 2>whatever they can personally speaking. So Ed didn't know his father.

933
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 2>He was a product of a one night stand in

934
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the next seat of a car, and his mother went

935
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>to prison immediately there after, and he had a lot

936
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of other issues with this. He was identified of being

937
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 2>a psychopath at the age of thirteen, and the root

938
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>of his psychopathy was this issue with his parents in

939
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 2>this lover's lane situation in the back of a car. So, look,

940
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 2>how Ed achieves all of his murders in life, all

941
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 2>overwhelming majority, it seems a lot of them. He targets

942
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 2>his victims, but then targets them to do them in

943
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 2>a chaos terror event and a ritualistic human sacrifice, but

944
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 2>chooses to do that in a lover's lane because that

945
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 2>seeks his that achieves his personal ends. Right. Does that

946
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>make sense?

947
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it does, it does. And that's what I kind

948
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 3>of see with Randy Kraft because it's, like I said before,

949
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:04.719
<v Speaker 3>the level he goes to, uh, destroying the body and

950
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 3>the raping, and like the shoven ballpoint pins up up

951
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 3>the penis to then still cut the penis off.

952
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like.

953
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.880
<v Speaker 3>It's too much, okay.

954
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I like, whoa that, ma'am, because that's exactly how I

955
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.760
<v Speaker 2>read it when I looked into this too. It's the

956
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 2>same shit. He really enjoys that, right.

957
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 3>He has to. And you know, there was another instance

958
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 3>where there was this guy, uh, what's his name? I

959
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 3>think his name, Yeah, it's Keith Crotwell was the victim.

960
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 3>And even though the police literally caught him in the act,

961
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 3>he had taken this boy and drove around with him.

962
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 3>And then the next day they found his body in

963
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.960
<v Speaker 3>a jetty close to where he was last seen and

964
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 3>he had been decapitated. He had a sock in the

965
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 3>bee hole, he had all the markers that he was

966
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 3>brought in for questioning, and the Los Angeles District Attorney's

967
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 3>office said, nah, I don't think it's him, and let

968
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 3>him go. And if they would have done their job,

969
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 3>they would have prevented another like thirty to forty men

970
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 3>and boys getting murdered.

971
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Was this bigleosi.

972
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 3>So it didn't list the name. It just said. The

973
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles District Attorney's office at the time the crime

974
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 3>declined pressing charges against crafts, citing that the autopsy remains

975
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 3>were inconclusive, even though this little boy had been seen

976
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 3>in Randy Craft's car by several witnesses, and Randy Craft

977
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.599
<v Speaker 3>himself had said that, yes, he had been driving around

978
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 3>with him all night, and even though he had a

979
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 3>sock in the booty hole and was decapitated and all

980
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 3>this shit, the Los Angeles District Attorney's office did not

981
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 3>want to press charge against him.

982
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 2>And this was nineteen seventy one.

983
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 3>This was nineteen seventy five.

984
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, Vincent Bigley as he left in seventy two.

985
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it must have been a different guy. Do

986
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 3>you know who took excuse me, do you know who

987
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:17.519
<v Speaker 3>took over?

988
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking that up right now. I know Charles Manson's

989
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.039
<v Speaker 2>personal friend Ira Reiner did not get elected until nineteen

990
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:26.440
<v Speaker 2>eighty four.

991
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 3>So whoever this middleman was in between those two literally

992
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.679
<v Speaker 3>let Randy Craft walk even though he had clearly decapitated

993
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 3>in booty whole socker. Yeah, another young man. Interesting and

994
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 3>it's like he if they would have if they would

995
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 3>have pressed charges against him because there was plenty of

996
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:57.400
<v Speaker 3>evidence they would have saved at least thirty more boys

997
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 3>from dying, but they didn't.

998
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I keep saying anything about Nathaniel uh bar Jonah,

999
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like you know that that processing and judge who

1000
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 2>let ted Kennedy walk as a special prosecutor and chap

1001
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a quick if he didn't let Nathaniel bar Jona out

1002
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>for Lord Nathaniel barr jon had told the judge I'm

1003
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna he says, he says he's gonna kill, rape, murder

1004
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and eat children. And the guy say, yeah, you're you know, well,

1005
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you're joking, right, even though he'd already done that five

1006
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 2>times before or attempted to murder, and he'd he'd raped

1007
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.239
<v Speaker 2>young boys and found and you know again found one

1008
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 2>nearly murder in his trunk. That's got him in the prison,

1009
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 2>you know. So yeah, he wasn't joking when he told

1010
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 2>the judge. Judges, yeah, you're joking, right. So had they

1011
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>not done that and had and then four weeks later,

1012
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>had they not give him probation when he reoffended you know,

1013
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a ten year old Zachary Ramsey that was kidnapped and

1014
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.960
<v Speaker 2>numerous eyewitnesses saw bar Jonah with him an unregistered and

1015
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 2>non sex offender who was not reporting to his probation officers,

1016
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 2>speaking of accountability, and numerous eye witnesses see him with

1017
00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.679
<v Speaker 2>him in nineteen ninety six, in December of ninety six

1018
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 2>and Great Falls, Montana, the town look my first assignment

1019
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Air Force, in the town I lived in

1020
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.440
<v Speaker 2>for three years. So I know, folks, I know all

1021
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.639
<v Speaker 2>these stories from first hand accounts and whatnot, not just

1022
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>from reports on the interwebs and whatnot. And again I

1023
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>came face to face with Nathaniel bar Jona in two

1024
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one. I saw pure eval and in two

1025
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>thousand he may have served me human meat burgers at

1026
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the local party is where he worked. But I argue

1027
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that had anyone done anything, Zachary Rams and the other

1028
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>children would not have been rape murdered in Eton by

1029
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Nathaniel Barjona.

1030
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that The saddest part is like how many victims

1031
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 3>could have been saved? But it was clearly an orchestrated

1032
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.960
<v Speaker 3>attempt to get this guy back out on the street.

1033
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I say the same thing, man, And they always claim

1034
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.320
<v Speaker 2>matters of national security like a kino, like the finders

1035
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth of matters we've never

1036
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 2>even heard of because they've deemed it matters of national security.

1037
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, something else you might find interesting is that Government

1038
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Cheese kept a scorecard book, which is why he became

1039
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 3>known as the score card Killer. But he detailed seventy

1040
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 3>victims on his scorecard that he murdered, raped, and put

1041
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 3>socks in their bee holes. And he also had photographs,

1042
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 3>not polaroids, photographs of all of his victims, and they

1043
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 3>couldn't find where he was getting his photographs developed. And

1044
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 3>at several of the crime scenes there were two sets

1045
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Speaker 3>of footprints in the sand or in the dirt nearby

1046
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 3>where the victim was found, alluding to the fact that

1047
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.360
<v Speaker 3>he definitely had an accomplice. So, very much like sun

1048
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 3>O Sam, very much like Zodiac, Government Cheese most likely

1049
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 3>had an accomplice, somebody who was developing these photos for him,

1050
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 3>somebody who was helping him dispose of bodies, probably somebody

1051
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:54.519
<v Speaker 3>helping him with the murders and rapes as well, because

1052
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, he was said to push his victims out

1053
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.360
<v Speaker 3>of a moving vehicle going over fifty miles an hour

1054
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 3>down the freeway.

1055
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 2>So that was that episode that was his move that.

1056
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it doesn't seem likely because some of these

1057
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 3>guys were like to over two hundred pounds and he's

1058
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.639
<v Speaker 3>gonna what open the door, push him out, close the door,

1059
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:22.159
<v Speaker 3>all while driving all seeing him. You know, It's just like,

1060
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.639
<v Speaker 3>what if he drugged him first? You well, they were

1061
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 3>they were dead by the time he pushed him out.

1062
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, well, it's possible. I don't know. I just they ought.

1063
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>These sick fantasies are intriguing. So bar Jonah would incapacitate

1064
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>his young child victims by he was a three hundred

1065
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 2>pound man. He would just start sitting and bouncing up

1066
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and down on their chest.

1067
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Mm.

1068
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So everything you just described about the details of Randy Kraft,

1069
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 2>his mode of operations, and profile all applied to Nathaniel

1070
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.320
<v Speaker 2>bar Jones activities in Great Falls, Montana from nineteen ninety

1071
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:55.280
<v Speaker 2>six to two thousand.

1072
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm finding that there are a lot of these

1073
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 3>guys that fit this exact mold, that are almost kind

1074
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 3>of like obscure in a way, because until I mentioned

1075
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 3>this guy to you, you had never heard about him.

1076
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 2>But until I mentioned Nya bar Jonah to you, had

1077
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 2>you heard of him?

1078
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 3>I had never heard of him.

1079
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And these are and that's what I'm saying. So we

1080
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>both are now presenting two different examples. We both have

1081
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.199
<v Speaker 2>done a lot. What I'm getting at Mame is we've

1082
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:28.840
<v Speaker 2>both done a lot of studying the mind control of

1083
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.840
<v Speaker 2>SaaS as the serial killers and all these sick bastards

1084
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 2>were describing here, And we both now have presented two

1085
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 2>examples from both ends where we hadn't heard of these folks, right,

1086
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>But we're all seeing the same patterns still regardless. So

1087
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 2>then it also caused me to wonder how many more

1088
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>of these folks have we not identified the same patterns

1089
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>of than our household names like the you know, the

1090
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>ones we've already identified, or you know, like the scorecard

1091
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.199
<v Speaker 2>killer who I'm had never heard of, and you know what,

1092
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call him the Hardy's Cannibal, whom you had

1093
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 2>never heard of.

1094
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.199
<v Speaker 3>Right, we have government cheese and Hardy's canna.

1095
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my bad, ye government Jess.

1096
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just it. They're they're two pieas in.

1097
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>A pod, and like no, seriously, yeah, they.

1098
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Have so much in common. And like with with government cheese,

1099
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 3>not only is he getting onto marine bases, he's getting

1100
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 3>onto like Al Toro Marine Air Air Base, he's getting onto.

1101
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I could go on and on JJ there's literally

1102
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 3>he was just ripping and running through the Marine Corps.

1103
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 3>Nobody's nobody's no, nobody's noticing, Like these guys are just

1104
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 3>turning up dead with socks and their be holes and

1105
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.760
<v Speaker 3>like nobody's put into and two together seventy dead bodies later.

1106
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And didn't he dump some of them on some of

1107
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 2>these military installations. Yes, yeah, that causes the jurisdictional situation

1108
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 2>where now the military police are not in orient too.

1109
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And so like this whole time, as I said before,

1110
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 3>he's working for this aerospace firm, and every single time

1111
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 3>he is sent out on business quote unquote, the it's

1112
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 3>to the Portland Seattle area, and when he goes on

1113
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 3>business quote unquote, five to ten more victims show up

1114
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 3>on the side of the road with socks and their

1115
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.840
<v Speaker 3>bee holes and their penis and ball bag sliced off.

1116
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:31.519
<v Speaker 3>And he literally raped, murdered, and dismembered young men and

1117
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 3>boys from California all the way to Portland, all the

1118
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 3>way to Seattle. And he did this, like I said,

1119
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 3>for for a decade and just nobody noticed that seems

1120
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 3>unlikely as fuck to me.

1121
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.639
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, let me let me give you two

1122
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 2>follow up points here real quick. So in regards to

1123
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.320
<v Speaker 2>not only a government cheese and his dad, well, Nathaniel

1124
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:57.199
<v Speaker 2>bar Jones family lived. His father and mother lived in

1125
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Great Falls, Montana, despite being from you know, the Boston

1126
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>suburbs and Massachusetts. There, they lived there because of the

1127
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Air Force base. His father worked there. He was in

1128
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the retired Air Force and in the aerospace industry, much

1129
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 2>like government cheese and his father. Right. So, and on

1130
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.280
<v Speaker 2>top of that, when we talk about the military investigators

1131
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and police down there ignoring all these things, that ncis

1132
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Naval Criminal Investigative Service for those marine installations and and

1133
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the marine MPs on the base both ignoring these things.

1134
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.199
<v Speaker 2>When we look at this circumstances compared to other again

1135
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.719
<v Speaker 2>establishing patterns. I have seen the Air Force Office of

1136
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Special Investigations report on the murder, well, the quote unquote

1137
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 2>suicide of John Carr to state that I know it exists,

1138
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and I know they forwent any jurisdiction on the matter

1139
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 2>and allowed the local sheriff's department to investigate it despite

1140
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 2>being on proprietary jurisdiction. On the Air Force base.

1141
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

1142
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 2>So they wrote a report on it. But then they

1143
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 2>look the other way.

1144
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Of course, they all that that's what they do, that's

1145
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:07.000
<v Speaker 3>like their modus operandi, that's how they work.

1146
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And since I told that story about the Air Air Force,

1147
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:11.719
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to because that's a very the

1148
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 2>whole son of sand community. That's a wild bunch. But

1149
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a copy of the report. I went

1150
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.559
<v Speaker 2>to grad school in Washington, d C. When I was

1151
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.280
<v Speaker 2>a station there, and I went to grad school with

1152
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.920
<v Speaker 2>an Air Force office with Seal Special Investigations. They're they're

1153
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 2>one of their chief and listed people at their headquarters

1154
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 2>there in DC. He was my classmate for eighteen months

1155
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and he always wanted to be my friend. So he's

1156
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 2>always bring me in different reports. You know every week

1157
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.079
<v Speaker 2>when we we we would come in for a weekly class,

1158
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.360
<v Speaker 2>right you know, to get you know, like three at

1159
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 2>four hours every Thursday. It was a fucking hell of

1160
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a schedule. Four hours ever, like every Thursday night, so

1161
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 2>from like six pm to ten pm. You know, it

1162
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was shitty. But nonetheless, uh, he would bring me in

1163
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.760
<v Speaker 2>all these different reports over those aten. You know, after

1164
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.119
<v Speaker 2>about six months when I meet to tell me to

1165
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:56.440
<v Speaker 2>go fuck off, because the guy was a tool, you know,

1166
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was I had I don't know anyway, you know,

1167
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to be my He's always bring me a report.

1168
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 2>So at one point in time, and I wasn't into

1169
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:04.119
<v Speaker 2>any of the son of Sam, I wasn't into any

1170
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 2>of the shit. This is two thousand and eleven, right

1171
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, late twenty eleven to twenty twelve, that time period,

1172
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you know. But one time he did bring me that report,

1173
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and I didn't even un grasp a

1174
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:17.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of the details, and I remember a lot of

1175
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the details. But what I said to him was why

1176
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the fuck did they give up jurisdiction on this case?

1177
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.880
<v Speaker 2>And he just shrugged his shoulders. That was because again,

1178
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it makes no sense to me right looking the other

1179
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.880
<v Speaker 2>way in a matter like that. They have proprietary jurisdiction,

1180
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.320
<v Speaker 2>meaning they can tell anyone else to go fuck off.

1181
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.519
<v Speaker 2>They don't share jurisdiction with anybody that's on an Air Force,

1182
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.880
<v Speaker 2>federal installation and federal property.

1183
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean JJ. The thing to me too, is like

1184
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.039
<v Speaker 3>they came up with this theory that government cheese was

1185
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Speaker 3>putting the socks in the bee hole because he had

1186
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:57.599
<v Speaker 3>military background and he was doing that to prevent the

1187
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.679
<v Speaker 3>body from purging before he could get dumped at the

1188
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.679
<v Speaker 3>dump site, and that was something that they would teach

1189
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 3>people in the military. They also found that most of

1190
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.639
<v Speaker 3>the victims had tissue papers shoved down their throats and

1191
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.840
<v Speaker 3>in their nostrils. But again, when would he have learned

1192
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 3>this when he only served for thirteen months and all

1193
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.840
<v Speaker 3>he did was paint test planes? Like when does that

1194
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.280
<v Speaker 3>come up in the in the painting class, like fucking

1195
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.880
<v Speaker 3>putting socks and be holes and putting tissue paper down

1196
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 3>the throat and doing all that, Like when would that

1197
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 3>have come up? When would that have been a necessary

1198
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.880
<v Speaker 3>skill to learn to paint a plane? Like am I retarded?

1199
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Or like no, I'm glad you picked up on that,

1200
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:41.760
<v Speaker 2>because obviously he was trained in which to do that

1201
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.639
<v Speaker 2>to avoid evidence being disseminated at locations when you're drunk

1202
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.000
<v Speaker 2>transporting a dead body to a dump site. So Edward

1203
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and Edwards didn't do the same stock buttole routine, but

1204
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.199
<v Speaker 2>he was trained in similar activities. He has framed so

1205
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.079
<v Speaker 2>many people from murder over the years. Every murder that

1206
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 2>ed committed, he would frame somebody for it, every one.

1207
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.519
<v Speaker 2>We do so by planting evidence everyone, and he's documented

1208
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.239
<v Speaker 2>in it. He's he's documented in in uh in Narket

1209
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.719
<v Speaker 2>murdering folks and then informing to the police and the

1210
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.239
<v Speaker 2>FBI on folks that he murdered, and then testifying against

1211
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the folks that he set up on more than one occasion.

1212
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Mother someone trained him out to do these things, plant

1213
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the evidence. And really what he's doing is the same

1214
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.480
<v Speaker 2>thing Mark Furman did in the OJ case, blowing up

1215
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the case from every ankle on both sides, because what

1216
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Ed's doing is causing such chaos and discord amongst so

1217
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.199
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement. In large part, I think they're dumb. I

1218
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:37.960
<v Speaker 2>think some of them are co opted. I think some

1219
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 2>of them are cult members. But in large part what

1220
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.320
<v Speaker 2>most of them are just ignorant and or you know,

1221
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.199
<v Speaker 2>buying into the magic. Shows that he will, so that

1222
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, when when you go into a scene that

1223
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.119
<v Speaker 2>there's evidence planted and there's no other conclusion to reach,

1224
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 2>they reached the only seemingly reasonable conclusion they can. Right,

1225
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'll use a case you you know for what

1226
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.760
<v Speaker 2>damn well very well, and that is the John Bene

1227
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Ramsey case, Right, So that's a case where everyone they

1228
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.079
<v Speaker 2>look at the evidence, and again some of the people

1229
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 2>in Boulder co opted, some of them are cult members,

1230
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and some of them are just dumb. But what I'm

1231
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.840
<v Speaker 2>saying here is, uh, you look at that case and

1232
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the only reasonable conclusion by a reasonable officer what in

1233
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.400
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement they call it objectible objective reasonableness. And I

1234
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:23.440
<v Speaker 2>think God understood that very well. And I think someone

1235
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 2>trained him because uh, and I'll get to d how

1236
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.239
<v Speaker 2>he might relate to these matters in a moment, according

1237
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.559
<v Speaker 2>to Detective John Cameron's study of the matter. Detective John Cameron's,

1238
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is the man who brought Nathaniel Barr

1239
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 2>jonat is justice. By the way, the guy that studied

1240
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Ed Edwards. So he the guy's legitimate homicide detective. He

1241
01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 2>makes you know, I don't subscribe to all of his

1242
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.320
<v Speaker 2>theories on Ed. But what I think he's describing about

1243
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Ed that he doesn't quite grasp is that Ed was

1244
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the general in that handed death cult that Henry ly

1245
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Lucas describes.

1246
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, all right, all right, I'm tracking with you.

1247
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.079
<v Speaker 2>So what what John Cameron's identified is a mode of

1248
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 2>operations with in that death cult of assassins that I

1249
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.880
<v Speaker 2>think Ed was the leader of. And that way, when

1250
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you look at all of what John Camer's put together

1251
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 2>on Ed, he's attributing so many crimes and well Ed

1252
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 2>is very prolific. I agree, he didn't do all those

1253
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.000
<v Speaker 2>what John Camer's identified as a pattern of behavior in

1254
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 2>a mode of operations that Ed was in charge of.

1255
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.039
<v Speaker 2>So in that regard, whether or not ED was directly

1256
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.519
<v Speaker 2>involved with John, but or not, I don't know. But

1257
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 2>what you find is evidence in the John Beney case,

1258
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.679
<v Speaker 2>despite all of the objective actions of you know, the

1259
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.519
<v Speaker 2>objective evidence that can be extrapolated from the scene, the

1260
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:32.320
<v Speaker 2>only conclusion you could reach is how did this dead

1261
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.119
<v Speaker 2>girl get into the basement of his home with a

1262
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.519
<v Speaker 2>ransom letter next to her? And the parents knew nothing

1263
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 2>about it? So they were going to say, well, the

1264
01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 2>parents did it, and that's been in dispute ever since.

1265
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Mind you, that's not what the details say, is it. Though,

1266
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.119
<v Speaker 2>that's not what the forensic details say, is it.

1267
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 3>No? Actually, I've spoken in great detail about the forensic

1268
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:56.159
<v Speaker 3>evidence and it tells the completely different story.

1269
01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So they have just a real quick run down and

1270
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll bring this Ed connection to a quick John Camer's

1271
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.800
<v Speaker 2>three on ed here and no quick resolution. So the

1272
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 2>forensic evidence was support of the twine was not sourced

1273
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:11.480
<v Speaker 2>from the home. The duct tape on her mouth was

1274
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Speaker 2>not sourced from the home. There was a stun gun

1275
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 2>mark on her neck, no stun gun on the home.

1276
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And also there was DNA found on her underwear and

1277
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:22.920
<v Speaker 2>her leggings, which they initially tried and blood, you're right,

1278
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.640
<v Speaker 2>And they were trying to describe that as saying somebody

1279
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.199
<v Speaker 2>in the manufacturing process left this DNA on there, and

1280
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.279
<v Speaker 2>then they decided to compare it to the DNA on

1281
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the leggings and say these leggings and the under were

1282
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.920
<v Speaker 2>manufactured in different locations. There's no way that's possible. So

1283
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:39.399
<v Speaker 2>that being said, somebody seems to plant in blood and

1284
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 2>DNA on that young girl. And I don't think it

1285
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:43.960
<v Speaker 2>was the purpose and the DNA that in my opinion

1286
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and the opinion of John Cameron, I think he makes

1287
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.119
<v Speaker 2>a good point. The evidence that that would lead to

1288
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.199
<v Speaker 2>would not be ed and Edwards. Despite he may have

1289
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:54.319
<v Speaker 2>in fact been that secret Santa Claus that John Benny

1290
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:56.119
<v Speaker 2>was talking about that she was going to see on

1291
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Christmas night right.

1292
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I did find that Dave McGowan did a great

1293
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:04.680
<v Speaker 3>job kind of seeing what you're saying in Program to

1294
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Kill about John Benney there. I believe that there was

1295
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot of eyes wide shuttering going on around John Benet.

1296
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so and and and uh I agree with you. Know,

1297
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they've released four pages of the eighteen page grand jury investigation.

1298
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know about ten years ago, and it

1299
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:26.439
<v Speaker 2>says right there in the grand jury that the Ramsays

1300
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:28.520
<v Speaker 2>were not guilty of murder. They were guilty of obstruction

1301
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 2>of justice and covering up the scene and their daughter's

1302
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.359
<v Speaker 2>death and introducing her and negligence, introducing her to an

1303
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.199
<v Speaker 2>environment which she could she would then face these sorts.

1304
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.439
<v Speaker 3>That's why, that's that's where the ice wide shuttering comes in,

1305
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:47.279
<v Speaker 3>because I think they helped whatever they helped, I think.

1306
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:48.680
<v Speaker 2>They helped to cover up. I think they called in

1307
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:50.680
<v Speaker 2>the heavy hitters if you willed to do the job.

1308
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.359
<v Speaker 2>So John Beney told everybody for two days prior to

1309
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 2>a murder that this Sam was coming to visit her,

1310
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 2>three days prior to murder that Sam was coming to visit. Well,

1311
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.119
<v Speaker 2>from the twenty third to twenty fourth and all of

1312
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fifth. Night of the twenty third through the

1313
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:05.680
<v Speaker 2>night of the twenty fifth, she tells her mother and

1314
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.840
<v Speaker 2>numerous people that Satn is gonna come visitor on Christmas Night,

1315
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:12.600
<v Speaker 2>not Christmas Eve, right, So that that begins on the

1316
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty third during a Christmas party. It happens after the

1317
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Christmas party at the Ramsey House in the twenty third,

1318
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the same Christmas party, someone calls nine to one one.

1319
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, I was gonna say, nobody knows about that.

1320
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.079
<v Speaker 2>So John Cameron presents interesting theory that would have been Ed,

1321
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.199
<v Speaker 2>who would have infiltrated to the family through the church

1322
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.560
<v Speaker 2>or this cult, these eyes wide shut things which probably

1323
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>actually operated through that evangelical church. In my opinion, it's

1324
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a different story altogether. But Ed would have been and

1325
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.319
<v Speaker 2>this is how we integrate himself many times faking to

1326
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.680
<v Speaker 2>be a psychiatrist, a law enforcement officer, or a church member. Right,

1327
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 2>So he would do all these things, integrate himself into

1328
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:50.720
<v Speaker 2>folks life, to frame folks from murder and et cetera,

1329
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and accomplish these tasks. So Cameron presents that he was

1330
01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the one of that Christmas party the call nine one.

1331
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.439
<v Speaker 2>The test response of Boulder PD and then he was

1332
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the fat guy with the white beard, told John Benet

1333
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that he was Santa claus a comeback to see here

1334
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:06.399
<v Speaker 2>on the twenty fifth. And then in fact, the evidence

1335
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.600
<v Speaker 2>planted in that DNA and blood was not gonna be

1336
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 2>eds and EDZMO. That would have been a different person

1337
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>would have connected to a different murder. So he murdered

1338
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a guy in Ohio and just a few months prior,

1339
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's very likely that's the one he admitted to

1340
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.279
<v Speaker 2>and got the death penalty. Four in two thousand and nine,

1341
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the murder of a man that he adopted forced to

1342
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.640
<v Speaker 2>go into the army, and he adopted a nineteen year

1343
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.760
<v Speaker 2>old man, convinced them to go in the army, convinced

1344
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:34.479
<v Speaker 2>them to go a walt murdered him for the two

1345
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty thousand dollars insurance policy, hid his body

1346
01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 2>until after John Benet's murder. And it seems like what

1347
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to do in the FBI and game.

1348
01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:44.920
<v Speaker 2>This maybe why we've never heard about the DNA evidence

1349
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.199
<v Speaker 2>in that case, because the DNA evidence led to Danny

1350
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Boy Edwards, and then that opens up the can of

1351
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:54.560
<v Speaker 2>worms on ed Day, that's John Cameron's theory, and I

1352
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 2>think he makes a strong argument because they've never wanted

1353
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to mention the actual evidence of that DNA, and I suspect,

1354
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.039
<v Speaker 2>like John Cameron says that dead evidence would have been

1355
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Danny Boy Edward's blood in DNA, and ed would have

1356
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:09.359
<v Speaker 2>the dead adopted son he just killed and made it

1357
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:11.399
<v Speaker 2>go a ball for the insurance check and the one

1358
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:14.479
<v Speaker 2>he would later get the Tath penalty for. So we know,

1359
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we know all the details of that murdering.

1360
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Folks can go on YouTube and watch Old Ed in

1361
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:21.640
<v Speaker 2>prison describe the details of how he planned, plotted, and

1362
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:23.840
<v Speaker 2>did all these things. He moved to a town in

1363
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Ohio and did this from day one, plotting out this

1364
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.239
<v Speaker 2>whole situation for two years. This is how diabolical he was.

1365
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He would rent, he would charter air private aircrafts. We

1366
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:34.960
<v Speaker 2>fly all around America. This dude never stopped murdering. But

1367
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he never stopped organizing murdering through this hand

1368
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 2>of death cult network that I think he was the

1369
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:44.159
<v Speaker 2>general of WOA. Yeah, and you know how there was

1370
01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:46.920
<v Speaker 2>always a question with a ransom note in the Ramsey case,

1371
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:50.159
<v Speaker 2>how do they know John Ramsey's exact bonus and that

1372
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:52.079
<v Speaker 2>ransom note, And why would you leave a ransom note

1373
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.199
<v Speaker 2>for a kidnapping next to a dead body? Right? Because

1374
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:56.720
<v Speaker 2>again this confuses everybody, Right, this is ads and no

1375
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:58.359
<v Speaker 2>one's gonna have any idea what's going on when you

1376
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:02.039
<v Speaker 2>put a dead body in a base with a ransom note, Right,

1377
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that's going to confuse everything. You're exactly, You're only going

1378
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.520
<v Speaker 2>to look at the parents because that's the only logical

1379
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.680
<v Speaker 2>conclusion any objectively reasonable party could make, despite yet what

1380
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the evidence says, right, because then how else would anyone

1381
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:14.720
<v Speaker 2>get in the house. There's so many other questions. What

1382
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying here is these were all Ed diabolically planned.

1383
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.520
<v Speaker 2>All of his merged for a long period time. But

1384
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the knowledge of that that bonus, well Ed's sun worked

1385
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:29.119
<v Speaker 2>for the Denver office of Lockheed Martin, the same Lockheed

1386
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Martin that purchased John Ramsey's business in nineteen ninety one.

1387
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.479
<v Speaker 2>Accesis gretics. Wow, So Ed could have worked through and

1388
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying his son was complacent. I'm saying Ed could

1389
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.520
<v Speaker 2>have worked the same way Ed worked in life through

1390
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:43.680
<v Speaker 2>his son to get that information.

1391
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:45.520
<v Speaker 1>This is a.

1392
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Total new uh theory. I guess if you will for me,

1393
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:55.720
<v Speaker 3>because I obviously have covered John Bennet at nauseum and

1394
01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:00.680
<v Speaker 3>I never could like put a name to the person

1395
01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 3>who was probably responsible for it. But I always said

1396
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.279
<v Speaker 3>it had to be some eyes wide shuddering going on

1397
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.760
<v Speaker 3>for sure, and the parents were complacent in the.

1398
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Cover up for sure. Well, I don't wanna get too

1399
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.319
<v Speaker 2>far off craft, but let's just do a quick comparison.

1400
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.840
<v Speaker 2>So Manson too, Bill Mentzer cocaine, Bob's buddy from the

1401
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Roy Raiden murder who got indicted with the head of

1402
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the Median cartel in America, Karen Greenberger. No one talks

1403
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 2>about that. You know, they were all indicted together. Bob

1404
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.439
<v Speaker 2>was on a dotted co conspirator. He pled the fifth

1405
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 2>thanks to Robert Shapiro, OJ's attorney. Anyhow, if you look

1406
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:38.439
<v Speaker 2>at that whole situation regarding you know. However, how how

1407
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill Metzer's story breaks down. According to burk Witz, He's

1408
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:43.800
<v Speaker 2>brought in as the heavy hitter Manson two, an ultimate evil,

1409
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.279
<v Speaker 2>to take care of the snuff film and Stacey Moskowitz,

1410
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I argue, ads serve the same purpose coming in for

1411
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the Zodiac and that snuff film. So we look at

1412
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.960
<v Speaker 2>how these heavy hitters kind of operating under this hand

1413
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.680
<v Speaker 2>of death style kind of operation that I was in

1414
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.720
<v Speaker 2>charge of. You know, when we start seeing this pattern operations,

1415
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.079
<v Speaker 2>these eyes wide shut party, these are these cult cells

1416
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:03.680
<v Speaker 2>in different cities calling the heavy hitters when they want

1417
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.439
<v Speaker 2>to get something done. And Ed was never according to

1418
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Ed's chiltern, he was never home on Christmas throughout his

1419
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.359
<v Speaker 2>entire life. Right, And when did John Bene die on Christmas?

1420
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.279
<v Speaker 2>So Ed was known for the Christmas which.

1421
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Side, that's crazy.

1422
01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Day.

1423
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So you weren't ice white shut sell of these colts, right,

1424
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:26.319
<v Speaker 2>If you were an ice white shut sell of these

1425
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:28.399
<v Speaker 2>colts and you wanted to call on your Christmas heavy hitter,

1426
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.720
<v Speaker 2>that is Ed. And Ed's got his whole situations seemingly

1427
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.600
<v Speaker 2>all over the business.

1428
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.600
<v Speaker 3>So I guess now I have a name then, for

1429
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.960
<v Speaker 3>this anomalous person that I keep referring to in all

1430
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.800
<v Speaker 3>my John Benay episodes. I knew it had to be someone,

1431
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.039
<v Speaker 3>and it obviously the parents were complicit in the cover up,

1432
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.880
<v Speaker 3>but I, until this moment, didn't have that name.

1433
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, let me share with you in the Cosmic

1434
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Peach audience a little bit more on Edward. When Edwards

1435
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:56.800
<v Speaker 2>where they can check out some more stuff on Operation

1436
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.760
<v Speaker 2>GCD for further But when I say he knew Charles

1437
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Manson in fifty two, when I say that he operated

1438
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 2>in a very similar project Chaos CIA situation by AD's

1439
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.960
<v Speaker 2>oone admission, he gets the identity of James Garfield Langley

1440
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:14.199
<v Speaker 2>in November of nineteen fifty five in Key West, Florida.

1441
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So I said, well, what's going on in November of

1442
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty five in key West, Florida. Well, it just

1443
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:20.840
<v Speaker 2>so happens the CIA is plotting the overthrow of the

1444
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Batista regime, and there's photographs literally with Fidel Castro there

1445
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 2>at the same time in Key West with the CIA

1446
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.640
<v Speaker 2>in November of nineteen fifty five. So and again ed

1447
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.399
<v Speaker 2>gets that fake, that same James Garfield ID after he

1448
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:35.359
<v Speaker 2>goes to prison in Deer Lodge, Montana and then later

1449
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:38.119
<v Speaker 2>gets picked up under that ID. And he also gets

1450
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 2>married under that ID in nineteen fifty five. And I

1451
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 2>have two different births or two different marriage licenses here

1452
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:46.319
<v Speaker 2>for that activity. So that's is Edward Wayne Edwards one.

1453
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:49.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's a recent discovery. Beyind me and John Cameron

1454
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.399
<v Speaker 2>printed this in his book. So I don't think what

1455
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is, you know, ten years ago when John

1456
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Cameron did his study, he didn't have access to some

1457
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 2>shit that got released recently. So but we can prove

1458
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Speaker 2>here that once again John, that Edwarwin Edwards is getting

1459
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.119
<v Speaker 2>this fake, seemingly CIA cover name and credentials time after

1460
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 2>time getting picked up and released, excaping places folks looking

1461
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the other way. So what I'm saying, you know, it

1462
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.199
<v Speaker 2>seems like we're looking at a circumstance here regarding characters

1463
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.760
<v Speaker 2>such as Charles Manson and every remembers in this whole

1464
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:19.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of handed death thing that seems very much orchestrated

1465
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:24.039
<v Speaker 2>by some matters of national security. If you will m hm.

1466
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, I actually don't have too much more to add

1467
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.079
<v Speaker 3>about Government Cheese. I did want to tell.

1468
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.479
<v Speaker 2>You how he got I keep forgetting his name's Government Cheese.

1469
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that name too. I want to tell you.

1470
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:41.520
<v Speaker 3>How he got caught. And I actually want to go

1471
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:45.680
<v Speaker 3>over some other killers that I came across that were

1472
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.479
<v Speaker 3>functioning during this same time that I think you might

1473
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:52.319
<v Speaker 3>find interesting, that are in connection maybe with Randy Well.

1474
01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely gonna find them interesting because I think they

1475
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:55.000
<v Speaker 2>probably all work for ED.

1476
01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, That's why I that's what made me think of it,

1477
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.800
<v Speaker 3>think that this is part of that government. Cheese himself

1478
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:08.479
<v Speaker 3>could have been part of this cult, but he didn't

1479
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:09.039
<v Speaker 3>get caught.

1480
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't see how he's not looking at his profile.

1481
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't see how he's he fished the same he's

1482
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:16.640
<v Speaker 2>socking the butthole and everything. Right, you know what I mean.

1483
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. What I mean by that is what I

1484
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.720
<v Speaker 2>mean by that is he's not leaving evidence anymore. I

1485
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:23.640
<v Speaker 2>think he's the first guy I've heard of the sock

1486
01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:25.439
<v Speaker 2>and the butthole routine. But what I'm saying is he's

1487
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.560
<v Speaker 2>not leaving any evidence. He's someone trained him to do that.

1488
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Somebody had to have And it's like you said, they

1489
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:36.000
<v Speaker 3>almost get shocked when they're caught because they've been doing

1490
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:42.159
<v Speaker 3>it so long. So he started in what was it

1491
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 3>what I say, in the sixties, right, he started in Okay,

1492
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:51.359
<v Speaker 3>he started in nineteen seventy two, and he wasn't caught

1493
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 3>until nineteen eighty three. And the only reason he was

1494
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:02.840
<v Speaker 3>caught is because he was observed swerving in his vehicle

1495
01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:10.520
<v Speaker 3>down a freeway and he was pulled over and he

1496
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.520
<v Speaker 3>was made to do a sobriety test, and he filled

1497
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:20.439
<v Speaker 3>a sobriety test, and the officer went to search his

1498
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:23.319
<v Speaker 3>vehicle and noticed that there was a man who he

1499
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.199
<v Speaker 3>thought was passed out in the passenger seat with a

1500
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.840
<v Speaker 3>jacket covering his lap. And as he removed the jacket

1501
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.520
<v Speaker 3>from the man's lap, he noticed that his penis was

1502
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:39.760
<v Speaker 3>halfway cut off and he was dead as luck. Yeah,

1503
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.680
<v Speaker 3>and so sounds.

1504
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Like Bundy, right, sounds like Bundy with his getting pulled

1505
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:45.560
<v Speaker 2>over with the seat out of his Volkswagen. Like, no,

1506
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:48.199
<v Speaker 2>it's this guy's callly murdered people, right.

1507
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:54.079
<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing, JJ, he was not arrested for

1508
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.960
<v Speaker 3>having a dead man with his penis halfway cut off

1509
01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:58.000
<v Speaker 3>in his passenger seat.

1510
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>He was a rost time dat house, right, I'm sorry,

1511
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:03.720
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

1512
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh.

1513
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.920
<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say he was only arrested for

1514
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:12.000
<v Speaker 3>driving under the influence. They did not even though he

1515
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.520
<v Speaker 3>had a dead fucking body with his penis halfway cut

1516
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.279
<v Speaker 3>off in the passenger seat of his car. He was

1517
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:25.119
<v Speaker 3>only charged with driving under the influence. And it wasn't

1518
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:28.960
<v Speaker 3>until later when they found all the dead guy photos

1519
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.520
<v Speaker 3>and the blood and all this other stuff in his

1520
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:37.199
<v Speaker 3>car that he was. Eventually charges were eventually pressed against

1521
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:43.880
<v Speaker 3>him and he got the death penalty. But the scorecard

1522
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.119
<v Speaker 3>that they found had at least seventy murder victims on it,

1523
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.760
<v Speaker 3>but they could only charge him with sixteen based on

1524
01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:53.479
<v Speaker 3>the evidence, So he didn't even go down for all

1525
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.479
<v Speaker 3>of the victims, and there was potentially even more.

1526
01:20:57.399 --> 01:20:59.000
<v Speaker 2>What was the evidence. It seemed kind of murky A

1527
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:00.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of the evidence, like many of these right, they

1528
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.159
<v Speaker 2>were attributing victims with limited evidence. And you see all

1529
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the other guys that are killing in and around him

1530
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:07.359
<v Speaker 2>at the same time when he start plotting out all

1531
01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>these murders, so many dudes doing the similar activities he's

1532
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.680
<v Speaker 2>doing at the same time in the same place as

1533
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:14.079
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies. And there's no evidence. Again, a lot

1534
01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:15.520
<v Speaker 2>of these victims that are attributing, so I don't know

1535
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:16.640
<v Speaker 2>how they attributed to whom.

1536
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.000
<v Speaker 3>So the way that they were able to get at

1537
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Speaker 3>least sixteen of the seventy was from his scorecard, where

1538
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.880
<v Speaker 3>he would have where he wrote the victim's name, and

1539
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:33.600
<v Speaker 3>then he had photographs of their dead body and the

1540
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:37.680
<v Speaker 3>uh signature of the sock in the bee hole was

1541
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of how they were able to get and also

1542
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 3>steman samples.

1543
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:44.720
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, but well, I guess I was referring to

1544
01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the outlying other ones, right, Like how do they even say, like, oh,

1545
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:50.079
<v Speaker 2>he almost did seventy because he got Patrick Kearny out there,

1546
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>same time, same place, doing the same I don't know,

1547
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the sock and the bee holes, but similar victims.

1548
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, actually it was said that they had a hard

1549
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:04.479
<v Speaker 3>time catching Randy Kraft government cheese because of Patrick Kearney.

1550
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:06.640
<v Speaker 2>And this guy, right, William Boonen.

1551
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, William Bonnen is out there raping and running through

1552
01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:12.680
<v Speaker 3>boys as well.

1553
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:17.279
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, the same time, what's going on here?

1554
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:20.079
<v Speaker 3>They're all but but but they're all ripping and running

1555
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:24.000
<v Speaker 3>through young men and boys at the same time in California,

1556
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:29.880
<v Speaker 3>and they all have similar backgrounds. Like Patrick Kearney, for example,

1557
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:35.479
<v Speaker 3>was ripping and running through dude's beholes, and he was

1558
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.880
<v Speaker 3>dismembering and necrofiling his victims. He also was in the

1559
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Air Force. He was in the Air Force and Patrick

1560
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Kearney became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald while he was

1561
01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:53.680
<v Speaker 3>in the Air Force, and he said that he worked

1562
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.239
<v Speaker 3>on top secret military language operations with Lee Harvey Oswald.

1563
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.680
<v Speaker 3>While he was in the Air Force, and then he

1564
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.760
<v Speaker 3>later became one of the most prolific serial killers to

1565
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:06.319
<v Speaker 3>ever live. Does that make sense to JJ?

1566
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Are you fucking kidding me? He knew Lee Harvey Oswald.

1567
01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:16.279
<v Speaker 3>He knew Lee Patrick Kearney who ripped and ran through.

1568
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Lees.

1569
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:27.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me see it, says Patrick Kearney murdered and dismembered, disemboweled,

1570
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.560
<v Speaker 3>and cut his victims' hearts and lungs out, murdered at

1571
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:34.199
<v Speaker 3>least twenty eight young boys in southern California between nineteen

1572
01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:38.520
<v Speaker 3>seventy one and nineteen seventy seven. Was in the United

1573
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:46.840
<v Speaker 3>States Air Force and befriended Lee Harvey oswaldt and worked

1574
01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:50.560
<v Speaker 3>with him in top secret military language operations, and took

1575
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.600
<v Speaker 3>a trip with him to Mexico City for unknown reasons.

1576
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, hear me out, I did not know that, mane.

1577
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate bringing that to my attention. Here's what I want.

1578
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>That's that's some that's a that's a well, that's a

1579
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of details there, ma'am. So that would be my

1580
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:08.279
<v Speaker 2>as you see, my my brain is currently being blown

1581
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.119
<v Speaker 2>here because that's a major factor. I keep drawing a lot.

1582
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So I've been drawing a lot of these circles around

1583
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:14.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these characters, and a lot of things

1584
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:16.199
<v Speaker 2>go back to as I point out from Trickye Di

1585
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:18.359
<v Speaker 2>saying and the Watergate tapes, the Bay of Pigs, the

1586
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Bay of Pigs thing. So that's fucking interesting. But if

1587
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I may point out, and my may, I'll definitely be

1588
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.279
<v Speaker 2>getting back to on that note as well in the

1589
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>future when I look into that subject more. But this

1590
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>got you know their connections there. But if I made

1591
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.800
<v Speaker 2>one thing I saw between him and Craft and it

1592
01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to me, it also relates in my opinion, to the

1593
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>incidents and activities around the death of John beIN a Ramsey,

1594
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:41.199
<v Speaker 2>and it goes back to that Thuggie cult you and

1595
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I've discussed before relative to the Four Pie movement, and

1596
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:49.039
<v Speaker 2>they're alleged the four Pie off shoot in the process,

1597
01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and they're alleged uh ritual venerations or incorporations of philosophies, theology,

1598
01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>theologies and rituals of the Thuggie cult, Cali worshiping, shing

1599
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Gan Buddhists right, Shinghan Buddhists. It seems to be the

1600
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.560
<v Speaker 2>elements of that four Pie movement who did as tex

1601
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>style murders, eating hearts and shit. So we see that

1602
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:11.640
<v Speaker 2>going on here, but with the thuggy aspects. We see

1603
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>this garrot, this tie, this torture and device with the

1604
01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>ropes and stuff. The same thing we see these guys

1605
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>do with Kearney, the same thing we see Craft do

1606
01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Government Cheese, and the same thing we see John Benet

1607
01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>with that twine was victim.

1608
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Too, and William Bonnen the other murder. If you click

1609
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.319
<v Speaker 3>on him, you'll find that William Bonnen also used a garrott,

1610
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:37.079
<v Speaker 3>also is raping and running through little boys buttholes, and

1611
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:42.439
<v Speaker 3>Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese and William Bonnen were all called

1612
01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:45.439
<v Speaker 3>the Freeway Strangler. All three of them were called the

1613
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Freeway Strangler. So they're all doing it together, right, But

1614
01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:53.920
<v Speaker 3>it's it's just like Son of Sam and Zodiac. It's

1615
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:58.520
<v Speaker 3>like it's not one fucking guy. The freeway Killer is

1616
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>William Bonnen and Patrick Kearney and and Government Cheese. They

1617
01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:09.439
<v Speaker 3>were all running through little boys be holes.

1618
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest with the Government Cheese has been ripping

1619
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:16.239
<v Speaker 2>and running some buttholes long before Randy Kraft. But I

1620
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>do like the nickname, you know, literally, you know, Government

1621
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Cheese being not good for your butthole, you knowunning literal

1622
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>government cheese.

1623
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:26.520
<v Speaker 3>There was something else I wanted to mention to you

1624
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.159
<v Speaker 3>about Patrick Kearney though, to see if if you find

1625
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:35.079
<v Speaker 3>this absolutely crazy. So the way that he's you know,

1626
01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:39.439
<v Speaker 3>necrofiling his victims and doing this weird stuff. It's very ritualistic.

1627
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.279
<v Speaker 3>And he's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald worked with him

1628
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:49.720
<v Speaker 3>in military language school and military language operations. And he

1629
01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:54.680
<v Speaker 3>gets an honorable discharge from the military, moves to Long Beach, California,

1630
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.760
<v Speaker 3>and he purchases a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he uses

1631
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:06.439
<v Speaker 3>to pick up his victims in, just like Ted Bundy.

1632
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:05.640
<v Speaker 2>And just like the son of Sam.

1633
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, he had a yellow Volkswagon.

1634
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 2>No but one of the members of the colt did

1635
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>it was it was seen at numerous of the of

1636
01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:15.119
<v Speaker 2>the crimes as the getaway vehicle.

1637
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:18.439
<v Speaker 3>Well think about that, JJ.

1638
01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Repeating patterns, ma'am, smaller circles, Drone smaller circles.

1639
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.560
<v Speaker 3>So kind of to sum up, I did want to

1640
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:31.520
<v Speaker 3>just mention some other serial killers that were in and

1641
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>around this area in California. Obviously, we have the Zodiac

1642
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:42.039
<v Speaker 3>assumed military background, the Manson family military background. But then

1643
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:46.359
<v Speaker 3>there's Joseph James DeAngelo, also known as the Golden State

1644
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Killer or the East Area Rapist.

1645
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And he didn't mean interject, but there's no way that's

1646
01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>it's the same pattern, right.

1647
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Yes, what do you think about Lonnie Day David Franklin Junior,

1648
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:05.640
<v Speaker 3>also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was active in

1649
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:09.520
<v Speaker 3>South Los Angeles? Oh? Yeah, did you cut out? Sorry?

1650
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Where was I at when.

1651
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>You cut out? I don't know. I was having connectivity issues,

1652
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>you said, James Joseph d Agel, And I was just

1653
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>pointing out that's another pattern. That's definitely a team.

1654
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh, definitely. The next one I said was Lonnie David

1655
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Franklin Junior, also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was

1656
01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:33.640
<v Speaker 3>active in South Los Angeles in nineteen eighty five, also

1657
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.199
<v Speaker 3>military background. Have you heard of him?

1658
01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:41.199
<v Speaker 2>No? But I mean we're talking Charles Manson's friend being

1659
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the personal friend be and at one point in time

1660
01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a defense attorney for Leslie Crenwinkle during the trials in

1661
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy the Manson family trials, Ira Reyner. He got

1662
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>elected District Attorney of Los Angeles from eighty four to

1663
01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety two and he prosecuted the night stalker McMartin, Bob.

1664
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You let Bob Evans walk on the murder Roy raiding,

1665
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:08.279
<v Speaker 2>but prosecuted the number one member of the Colombian drug cartel,

1666
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>of the Median cartel that is an America, Karen Greenberger.

1667
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:14.399
<v Speaker 2>And he prosecuted Manson too, Bill Menzer, you don't think

1668
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.159
<v Speaker 2>they knew each other? If he's personal friends with Charles

1669
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Manson in nineteen sixty nine nineteen seven, you don't think

1670
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>he knew Menser too, who was a bodyguard and boyfriend

1671
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>allegedly of Mama Casts. And they're all members of the process, right,

1672
01:29:25.239 --> 01:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't think these people know each other. They definitely

1673
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.479
<v Speaker 2>know each other. So who's this guy? Because Ira Reyner

1674
01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't do he did a lot of weird things.

1675
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:35.600
<v Speaker 3>As this attorney, he went by the grim Sleeper. His

1676
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:39.640
<v Speaker 3>name is Lonnie David Franklin Junior. He had a military

1677
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.439
<v Speaker 3>background and he was raping and running through women in

1678
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:44.640
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty five.

1679
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>And he's a black fellaw huh.

1680
01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1681
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Well the next one on my list was Richard Ramirez.

1682
01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>If I may real quick, if I may real quick

1683
01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:59.479
<v Speaker 2>on this fella. So there's Toddy Lintini and his tapes

1684
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>his inner few tapes have been stolen from the Sun

1685
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>of Sam archives of ed Sanators of Princeton University. I'm

1686
01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:08.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of the archives of ed sanators at Princeton University.

1687
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Someone stole our the four hours I believe it was

1688
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:13.520
<v Speaker 2>of audio interviews with Tony Lentini. He was a one

1689
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>percent biker leader who was allegedly a present for the

1690
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.079
<v Speaker 2>murder and ritual murder of Eton pats there in Westchester County,

1691
01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:23.119
<v Speaker 2>New York. And he was allegedly deep into this process movement, right,

1692
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.159
<v Speaker 2>so he tells the stories of there was a joint

1693
01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>efforts within the black motorcycle outlaw motorcycle gangs that were

1694
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:33.439
<v Speaker 2>also members of the cult to do the same Son

1695
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of Sam style shootings in New York City, and allegedly

1696
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>there was these things that just never got reported on

1697
01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>within the black communities there with somebody doing the same activities. Really, yeah,

1698
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and somebody, I would argue, part of this ongoing process

1699
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>church cover upper movement, these ongoing enterprises. They still I've

1700
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.079
<v Speaker 2>been to Princeton and I've talked to the librarian. They

1701
01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>someone stole those tapes.

1702
01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, Yeah, Well this motherfucker is dead. So we'll never

1703
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:08.199
<v Speaker 3>hit I mean, we'll never know from him.

1704
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:11.199
<v Speaker 2>So he gets busted in what year? He's always from

1705
01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:14.119
<v Speaker 2>stute Guard. Huh. That's interesting because it wasn't was it

1706
01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Dahmer or one of those other dudes was over there

1707
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>in stute Gart in the seventies?

1708
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Dahmer? Yeah, yep, Dahmer.

1709
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>So he gets he gets busted in what nineteen? Holy shit,

1710
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>they got a number of names listed for multiple Yeah,

1711
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>when does he get busted nineteen? It looks like nineteen

1712
01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:35.319
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven.

1713
01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:40.680
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was nineteen eighty six.

1714
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, let's say by January eighty sixth fifteen murders

1715
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.239
<v Speaker 2>had been linked to the case, more detectives added to

1716
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the joint LAPD Sheriff's Department Task Force. Huh for the

1717
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>South Side slayer. But by eighty six the case was

1718
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>still an investigation. Blah blah blah. By late eighty six,

1719
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions. Oh there you go, speaking

1720
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of teams, right, conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions, Right, so

1721
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:16.359
<v Speaker 2>it's probably multiple assailants. Well yeah, look at least one, two, three, four,

1722
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:20.239
<v Speaker 2>five black dudes on this team. Like I just said,

1723
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>about the Son of Sam situation. They had a similar

1724
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>team of situations going on in the black community, according

1725
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>to Tiny Lentini, who was in the cult and part

1726
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, high up apparently, and again he got into

1727
01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:34.039
<v Speaker 2>the cult by being the security, much like we see

1728
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>with folks like Victor Thorne out there in the Manson

1729
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:39.479
<v Speaker 2>family situation, a man who's still alive today and very

1730
01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>rich and powerful, and he was the head of I

1731
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:45.079
<v Speaker 2>always want to call it Satan slaves as Gypsy Jokers.

1732
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.239
<v Speaker 2>He was the head of the Gypsy Jokers, a similar

1733
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:52.159
<v Speaker 2>character to Tiny Lentini, right, very similar character, and Tiny

1734
01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Linini would later do multiple stents of prison for raping

1735
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>his own children and child pornography. But he's dead now,

1736
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>So nonetheless, Victor Thorne is still alive. Not he's still

1737
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>involved in hood ratshit activities of outlaw biker gangs and

1738
01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>these Satanist could activities. I couldn't tell you, But what

1739
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you is it seems to be repeating

1740
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:10.439
<v Speaker 2>patters we see amongst these outlaw biker crowds. So when

1741
01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I take Mantini's statements as despite his background as being

1742
01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>rooted in at least largely fact right, So you know,

1743
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:21.239
<v Speaker 2>when these tapes are gone, and we don't we don't

1744
01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.079
<v Speaker 2>have anything to look at anymore, you know, I wonder,

1745
01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>but we do see these same repeating patters from coast

1746
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to coast, this black community element, right, the African American

1747
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.279
<v Speaker 2>communities that get terrorized the same way through elements within

1748
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>their community, just like the Son of Sam does with

1749
01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>elements within their community.

1750
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I was gonna say, with with government cheap.

1751
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:44.279
<v Speaker 3>I think the Freeway Strangler was Randy Kraft, William Bonnen,

1752
01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and Patrick Kearney were all the Freeway Strangler, just like

1753
01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:50.760
<v Speaker 3>the Hillside Strangler was multiple people.

1754
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Yep. And they're all multiple people's. We're living under a

1755
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>false pretense to assume otherwise the exception to the rule

1756
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.319
<v Speaker 2>might be an individual, but the rule, their team, an

1757
01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>organized team and effort. And it's the FBI and John

1758
01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Douglas who sold us this false narrative of the loan

1759
01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.720
<v Speaker 2>only gonna kill blonds, and only gonna do him at

1760
01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.439
<v Speaker 2>twelve o'clock midnight, and only gonna do them with seven

1761
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.439
<v Speaker 2>strikes to the chest. And you know, very specific patterns

1762
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:18.439
<v Speaker 2>and all that's bullshit. All that's well, there are similar

1763
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>patterns of behavior in meads of operations. They're not as

1764
01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:23.079
<v Speaker 2>strict as that John Douglas wants to convince folks of.

1765
01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:25.800
<v Speaker 2>And the idea of these perpetration of these ideas is

1766
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:27.479
<v Speaker 2>the same thing we see later in the Landing report,

1767
01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>where there are no Satanists murdering people anywhere. Pay no

1768
01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:33.159
<v Speaker 2>attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears have deceived you,

1769
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.079
<v Speaker 2>as Michael Lokino will tell you, mister satanic murdering himself

1770
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>as I would allege.

1771
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

1772
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, and you know, so that guy that I mentioned

1773
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:50.439
<v Speaker 3>earlier is being part of the Government Cheese crew. He

1774
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.680
<v Speaker 3>was Air Force too, just like Randy Kraft and Patrick Kearney.

1775
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:59.039
<v Speaker 3>William Bonnen served in the Air Force and is suspected

1776
01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:03.840
<v Speaker 3>of twenty any one plus murders of little boys who

1777
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:07.199
<v Speaker 3>he raped and tortured, just like Patrick Kerney, and just

1778
01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:10.319
<v Speaker 3>like Government Cheese, and all three of them came from

1779
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:11.039
<v Speaker 3>the Air Force.

1780
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:14.159
<v Speaker 2>You mean to tell me this, This this fellow with

1781
01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:17.359
<v Speaker 2>the pedophile stash and the weird haircut, you know, looking

1782
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>like he's got that five head going to what do

1783
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>you mean by the weird haircut? You can see his

1784
01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:23.479
<v Speaker 2>file five head is very prominent. You mean to tell

1785
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.640
<v Speaker 2>me this fellow riche murder should No, I wouldn't never

1786
01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:30.720
<v Speaker 2>believe it. You can look at the guy, you know,

1787
01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:32.279
<v Speaker 2>he's got he's got the Petter You see what I'm

1788
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>talking about. It's got that Petter ridged five head brow thing.

1789
01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:39.079
<v Speaker 2>He's got the Petter mustache. Right. I mean, yeah, I'm

1790
01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>obviously I'm obviously paying things some broad strokes here, but

1791
01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>there is a certain physiotomy that seems to repeat, amongst

1792
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:45.479
<v Speaker 2>patterns with these folks.

1793
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, you remember in Program to Kill Leonard Lake and

1794
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Charles whatever the fuck his last name was, m They

1795
01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:57.880
<v Speaker 3>were also they were also ripping and running around.

1796
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.199
<v Speaker 2>This same time, be running, ripping and running, a lot

1797
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:02.560
<v Speaker 2>of ripping and running in that era.

1798
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, What about U Samuel Little he was supposed to

1799
01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:11.359
<v Speaker 3>have confessed to killing ninety three people in California.

1800
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they got them for a funeral Ohio too, I think, yeah, I.

1801
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.359
<v Speaker 3>Think there was some in Ohio actually.

1802
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>But so.

1803
01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:23.840
<v Speaker 3>That's actually the end of my presentation. But think about

1804
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.199
<v Speaker 3>what I just said, like all of these serial killers,

1805
01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:34.680
<v Speaker 3>William Bonnen, Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese, Richard Ramirez, the Hillside stranglers,

1806
01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Leonard Lake and Charles Ing.

1807
01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1808
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Lonnie, David Franklin Junior, Joseph James DeAngelo. I mean the

1809
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:49.439
<v Speaker 3>Charles manson the Zodiac Killer. They're all coming out of California,

1810
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:55.079
<v Speaker 3>and they're all ripping and running during or close to

1811
01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:58.720
<v Speaker 3>the same time frames. What's up with this?

1812
01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Say? It even seems even seems more organized when you

1813
01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:04.439
<v Speaker 2>realize that they're all being shipped there. They're all being

1814
01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>shipped there through military jobs for aerospace and stuff like that.

1815
01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Right m hm.

1816
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.359
<v Speaker 3>But another one that I did not mention in that

1817
01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:15.159
<v Speaker 3>list that I want to talk to you about at

1818
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:19.439
<v Speaker 3>a later time is the dating game Killer also came

1819
01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:23.439
<v Speaker 3>from southern California and was ribbon and running during the

1820
01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:24.920
<v Speaker 3>same time, and.

1821
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:27.479
<v Speaker 2>He knew Polanski. So if I may suggest, man, let's

1822
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:32.279
<v Speaker 2>do a seventies TV game show serial killer show, we'll

1823
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:35.439
<v Speaker 2>do al Kala the two times Eddie Edward when Edwards

1824
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:41.720
<v Speaker 2>was on the To Tell the Truth and I forget

1825
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the other one he was on I Got to Tell

1826
01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:45.720
<v Speaker 2>the Truth. One can't recall the other show he's on,

1827
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:47.359
<v Speaker 2>but he was on two and it was nineteen seventy

1828
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>two and nineteen seventy three, I think. And then Al

1829
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:53.079
<v Speaker 2>cal is what's seventy seven on the dating game? Mm

1830
01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:56.239
<v Speaker 2>hmmm hm, there was another one? That there was a

1831
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:58.760
<v Speaker 2>fourth one? There was another? Was there another dating game one?

1832
01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Or was there another another game show? I can't think

1833
01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of a serial cutter from right now.

1834
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:06.159
<v Speaker 3>It's a different game show, and I'd actually have to

1835
01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:08.159
<v Speaker 3>google it. But I think this is a really good

1836
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:14.079
<v Speaker 3>idea because I find it fascinating how these things are

1837
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:15.079
<v Speaker 3>are not more.

1838
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Think of the logistics, right, How are they getting on

1839
01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the show? How did Edward Edwards travel? How did he

1840
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:26.399
<v Speaker 2>travel the country getting on over a thousand TV and

1841
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:30.479
<v Speaker 2>radio shows promoting a book that he was metamorphosized as

1842
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.279
<v Speaker 2>as a criminal, meanwhile murdering folks on this national tour

1843
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the entire time.

1844
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:36.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what I said.

1845
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's there's a I assure you, ma'am. I ran

1846
01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>logistics and current operations for the Air Force. I took

1847
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a three year hiatus from being a military police in

1848
01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the Air Force, and I ran. I was working at

1849
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>headquarters in DC, literally managing the logistics for current operations

1850
01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>in the Air Force, and in a you know, in

1851
01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.760
<v Speaker 2>a bunker in deep below the surface there you know,

1852
01:38:57.880 --> 01:39:00.199
<v Speaker 2>you will my as I call it, my my two

1853
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and a half year stint in the hole, and I

1854
01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>went back. It was so bad I volunteered to go

1855
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:06.720
<v Speaker 2>back to the military police and go to war. So

1856
01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I found that more favorable circumstances for me at the time.

1857
01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:14.039
<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, it is these logistics I'm often concerned about

1858
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:15.760
<v Speaker 2>because as a war planner in the Air Force who

1859
01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>manage current operations. Logistically speaking, there's a lot I see

1860
01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the machinations behind a lot of these projects, and I

1861
01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>understand what goes into it. You know what I mean?

1862
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:26.720
<v Speaker 2>You are spot on. There is a deep logistics to

1863
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.479
<v Speaker 2>getting on not only a game show, but the machinations

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01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:33.399
<v Speaker 2>of reissuing credentials to everyone edwards, the machinations of getting

1865
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement offices around the country to look the other way.

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<v Speaker 3>MM one hundred Yeah, I actually have another show I

1867
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:45.600
<v Speaker 3>gotta jump on here in a minute. But we got

1868
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:48.840
<v Speaker 3>a plan for that one too, because it's just like

1869
01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:53.439
<v Speaker 3>with government cheese, there's too much there government cheese, man,

1870
01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:57.039
<v Speaker 3>too much there for it to be a coincidence. And

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<v Speaker 3>I actually want to thank you for indulging me this

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01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:05.079
<v Speaker 3>afternoon because this when I discovered this guy was like,

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01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:08.680
<v Speaker 3>why the fuck am I just finding out about this asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, I felt the same way when he presented

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01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>them to me. So I definitely appreciate your time aming

1876
01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the conversation and blowing up my brain hole with these

1877
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>topics and again drawing a lot of small circles around

1878
01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:20.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these activities across the wide spectrum of time,

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01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>geographical distance, and a lot of what I would call

1880
01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>satanic murdering. And if you want to impacting our society today,

1881
01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:32.439
<v Speaker 2>let me introduce you to nonetheless of Buffalo Jared Orvisa,

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01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the guy that my former stalker who wanted to be

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01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:37.720
<v Speaker 2>my pr rep. And I'm pretty sure he wanted to

1884
01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:39.640
<v Speaker 2>murder me and wear my skin as a human coat.

1885
01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's mister Buffalo Jared, who sits today after his

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01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>multi state mind control assassin killing spree, the murder victim

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01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:55.319
<v Speaker 2>of which hired him as his pr rep. Jared sits

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01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:58.079
<v Speaker 2>in the Buffalo Jared sits in the Bridgewater Statemental Institution

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01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>allegedly because his court cases are not in the actual

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01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:03.760
<v Speaker 2>court system. Folks can check that out on Operation GCD.

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01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I did that a couple sundays ago. The case or

1892
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the Legends of Buffalo Joe Rivisa. But that image you

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01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>just saw was months before that campaign of murder, and

1894
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he's wearing a strangely smiley faced, you know, chaos symbol.

1895
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I would argue of the neo process, Lana will go

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01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>he's gone trans apocalypse kind of processing, the install of

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01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>you ask me as well. And also within this whole

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01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:29.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of satanic murdering situation, right within these mind controlled assassins.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is we see repeating factors. Not only

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01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:34.319
<v Speaker 2>is in he's in the same mental hospital then unleashed

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01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Nathaniel Barr Jonah to go eat, murder and rape kids

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01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:41.359
<v Speaker 2>in Great Falls, Montana. He's also of the mind. He's

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01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of a the family of the sports hypnosis infamous sports

1904
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>hypnosis family that broke the curse of the Goat and

1905
01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:50.359
<v Speaker 2>helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series after a

1906
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>nearly one hundred year drought. And it was Ken Revisa,

1907
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>his great uncle in the company, his father and him

1908
01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>used to work for the infamous Revisa Sports Hypnosis and Psychology,

1909
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>your family that is accredited with the Cubs help breaking

1910
01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the Cubs curse and back there a few years ago

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01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>into twenty sixteen. So this is a fellow that I

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01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:11.439
<v Speaker 2>think we see these sam repeating patterns in. Again, he's

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01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.199
<v Speaker 2>currently under seemingly no accountability because his court cases are

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01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:17.079
<v Speaker 2>not in Connecticut or Massachusetts court systems, and at least

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01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>not publicly despite him allegedly sitting in that same Bridgewater

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01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Statemental hospital. And again I would argue, this dude reeks

1917
01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>of every aspect of what we discussed from these fellas

1918
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and eighties that are going on right now.

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01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.479
<v Speaker 2>He went on a murder campaign last May and ain't

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01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:32.920
<v Speaker 2>no one talking about it. And the only reason I

1921
01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:35.239
<v Speaker 2>knew about it is because I had a Google alert

1922
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:36.640
<v Speaker 2>set up for the son of a bitch because he

1923
01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:38.720
<v Speaker 2>creeped me out so bad that I thought he wanted

1924
01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:40.720
<v Speaker 2>to kill me and wear my skin as a human coat.

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01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Before all this, right before all this. So my being is,

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01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, these things are still going on despite people

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01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:49.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking this is going on in the seventies and eighties,

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01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:52.479
<v Speaker 2>this stuff is still present today.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, since this is a swapcast, actually JJ, I would

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01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:58.039
<v Speaker 3>like you to take a minute and just let all

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01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:00.720
<v Speaker 3>of the listeners know where they can find out more information,

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01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:05.239
<v Speaker 3>not only about this asshole dick Cheese but all of

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<v Speaker 3>your amazing work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it, and I appreciate

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01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>your time and again blowing up my brain home with

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01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>these these details and ideas. I've been, like I said,

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01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:15.640
<v Speaker 2>you presented this craft fillow too mean not I was

1938
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>to fit into this whole study I'm doing right now

1939
01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:21.119
<v Speaker 2>with mapping a lot of these activities. Victim is doing genealogies,

1940
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll do all sorts of shit, and he also is.

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01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm very interested in the nineteen sixty eight Los Angeles

1942
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:30.560
<v Speaker 2>presidential campaign of RFK, so one thing not discussed there,

1943
01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:33.439
<v Speaker 2>and folks can check out an operation GCD this and

1944
01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>many other topics especially relative to the process church and

1945
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>folks like Buffalo Jared Visa that I covered a few

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01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.119
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago on My Sunday show, and Edward Wayne Edwards

1947
01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I covered a couple weeks ago on My Sunday show,

1948
01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and Nathaniel bar Jonah I covered a few weeks on

1949
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>My Sunday show the Hardy's Cannibal. But I do enjoy

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01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:54.680
<v Speaker 2>your your new marketing campaign of government government cheese here

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01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:56.720
<v Speaker 2>as well, So I'm gonna call him the Hardy's Cannibal.

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01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.439
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, folks can check that out there, and I

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01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:02.399
<v Speaker 2>do a free free Patreon preview of my Sunday shows

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01:44:02.439 --> 01:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>there on YouTube Rumble and Twister, and then I do uh,

1955
01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, my Patreon show there on those Sundays and

1956
01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>on Thursdays, I'm doing the same thing with a free

1957
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Patreon preview and the Anatomy of Satanic Panic that focuses around, uh,

1958
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:19.119
<v Speaker 2>the ideas, the continued investigation ideas of Dave McGowan and

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01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>his Program to Kill largely focused around the psychological syops

1960
01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:26.119
<v Speaker 2>of mind more of Michael Akino and his Colby's Queers,

1961
01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>because that's where he came from, the Phoenix program. So

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01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:32.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'm packing, how you know, using his own statements,

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01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:35.439
<v Speaker 2>how he's a ball washping a ball he ball washes

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01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and Nazi Satanists, and his own words and z own book. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also using his own words to prove that

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<v Speaker 2>he's using because he'll I have videos of him saying

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do I don't do magic on my military time.

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01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.399
<v Speaker 2>In his own book, he's talking about doing Thellenic rituals

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01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>on military duties. So again, I'm only using his own

1970
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>words in that series, using the words of Alistair Curley

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01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>about the satoh masochistic torture and murder of young boys

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01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>in which the game first on financial success, to which

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01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>to say when he ball washes Curly and Thelema, I

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01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>don't care if everyone participates in those extremist views of

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01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.520
<v Speaker 2>what's precisely what Crowley says. Clearly those Crowley words are

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01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:15.399
<v Speaker 2>being we're seeing those exhibited time after time, and the

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01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:20.960
<v Speaker 2>ritualistic satomasochistic murder, rape and cannibalism of young children and

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01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:24.479
<v Speaker 2>young men, and following the prescription with especially with these

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01:45:24.520 --> 01:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>mutilated gentalia like we've described to Night, We've seen with

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01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the West Memphis three as well. This is repeated time

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01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:32.039
<v Speaker 2>after time. So I'm not only unpacking some of the more.

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01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going over the high profile murders in that series.

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01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>What started off doing is just unpacking the psychological operations

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01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.079
<v Speaker 2>focused around a Kino, his activities in the presidio, and

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01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.600
<v Speaker 2>then spotting off from there on different tracks of how

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01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:47.840
<v Speaker 2>we see these replicating patterns of behavior time after time,

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01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:50.840
<v Speaker 2>over and over in these same precise syops to mine

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01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:54.520
<v Speaker 2>more that we get today. When I last week a

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01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.800
<v Speaker 2>documentary from tw tenty twenty three in an interview given

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01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.920
<v Speaker 2>by the filmmakers called sat and Wants You, and they

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01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>are literally and I compared and contrast that to Keynot's

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01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>own statements from his book is his email communications with

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01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Dave McGowan back in two thousand and one on these topics,

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01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:13.119
<v Speaker 2>which are hilarious. And we see the same patterned behavior

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01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:16.239
<v Speaker 2>from a Keno in two thousand and one to a

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01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Keyno in twenty twenty to these folks in twenty twenty three,

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01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:22.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's the same statement. It's the same ignorance of

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01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.159
<v Speaker 2>all these things, in the same perpetration of the same propaganda,

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<v Speaker 2>so plos because I got that series there, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you joined me quite often here recently for some film reviews, Julian,

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01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:32.960
<v Speaker 2>we got some more of those coming up on those

2002
01:46:32.960 --> 01:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>from my Wednesday shows. There are going to be film reviews

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01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:37.319
<v Speaker 2>from this going forward. And then Fridays I do a

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01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:40.479
<v Speaker 2>roundtable in which I'm always looking forward for future roundtables

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01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:42.319
<v Speaker 2>of this nature. So hopefully you'll join me there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I would love to. I'm so glad that we

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01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:48.279
<v Speaker 3>met because we have so much in common in as

2008
01:46:48.279 --> 01:46:50.720
<v Speaker 3>far as the topics we like to cover. I feel

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01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.279
<v Speaker 3>like you understand a lot of the stuff that I

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01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:57.840
<v Speaker 3>try to present on my show, and some but is

2011
01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:01.439
<v Speaker 3>easily digestible as one would think. You know, I talk

2012
01:47:01.479 --> 01:47:04.239
<v Speaker 3>about Laurel Canyon, I talk about Program to Kill, I

2013
01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:08.319
<v Speaker 3>talk about you know, it's too much to be a coincidence.

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01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:11.159
<v Speaker 3>There's definitely something more going on. So I was really

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01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:13.760
<v Speaker 3>excited when we met because it seemed like you were

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01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:18.159
<v Speaker 3>already tracking with me and we understood what the fuck

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01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:19.279
<v Speaker 3>was up right away.

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<v Speaker 2>You ain't kidding, You ain't kidding. I reciprocate those same thoughts, man,

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01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:25.880
<v Speaker 2>When you drop the name Tuesday Weld on.

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01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Me, I was like, all right, there you go talking

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01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:34.199
<v Speaker 3>about Yeah, yeah, that was actually really good. I enjoyed it.

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01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that episode. I've listened to a couple of times.

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01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:38.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't usually listen to a lot of episodes. I'm like, oh,

2024
01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:41.359
<v Speaker 2>because every because here's the thing. Every even in conversations

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01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:43.119
<v Speaker 2>with you, I learned you blow up my brain hell

2026
01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>every time. Man. But then I have to relisten to things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, she makes some good points here, you know,

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01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:48.119
<v Speaker 2>she makes some good points here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you. I think so much joining me tonight too,

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01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.079
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like this was a barn burner, as

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<v Speaker 3>you would say.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real barn burner. I got a few tabs

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01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:00.600
<v Speaker 2>open to continue some reading here to and I appreciate

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01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>your time for sure. Yeah, and any any more closing

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01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on that note, we'll just end it. Then we're

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01:48:08.079 --> 01:48:08.439
<v Speaker 2>good to go.

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<v Speaker 3>We're good to get all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, ma'am. Thank you, and thanks for the folks

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<v Speaker 2>of the interwebs and the cosmic peach folks of the

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<v Speaker 2>inn webs.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Mike, I have seen the youth and slow greaties

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01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>that now I want to understand. I have done all.

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01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:36.880
<v Speaker 4>That I could see the eble in the blue without hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>You must help me a few can, doctor, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what is for them moment? For so long h