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Speaker 2: Howdy, folks, welcome back to Operation GCD, your host JJ
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Speaker 2: with Julia from Cosmic Peach. How do and Julia looking
Speaker 2: forward to the conversation, me too.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining me for this conversation. It's
Speaker 3: something that I kind of hinted around about a couple
Speaker 3: of times the last few shows we did together. And
Speaker 3: You've been looking into this guy, and I've been looking
Speaker 3: into this guy, and I'm excited to get into the conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna have to tell you first and foremost, ma'am,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you bringing this to my attention because I
Speaker 2: had never heard of Randy Kraft and he fits right
Speaker 2: into the same framework I'm already mapping and looking into
Speaker 2: So this is a great puzzle piece for me. So
Speaker 2: I definitely appreciated it looking for me. It's a very
Speaker 2: interesting character.
Speaker 3: Very Yes, he is a very interesting character. And do
Speaker 3: you feel like if Dave McGowan was still around, this
Speaker 3: guy would have ended up on his radar at some point,
Speaker 3: because I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point because
Speaker 2: I was talking about something similar last night on my
Speaker 2: show on Operation GCD Sundays, talking about all these kind
Speaker 2: of this framework and network. We were kind of talking
Speaker 2: about offline where all these folks know each other and
Speaker 2: cross pass and in regards to Dave McGowan's where, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he did the best he could
Speaker 2: with the amount of information he had. I said the
Speaker 2: same thing about John retired Detective John Cameron from Great
Speaker 2: Falls PD who did the seminal study into the serial
Speaker 2: killer most folks have probably never heard of Edward went Edwards.
Speaker 2: Tuned in Operation GCD for more on that subject. But
Speaker 2: one thing I covered on that was he wrote Edwards,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Cameron wrote a book about Edwards, you know,
Speaker 2: eight seven and eight years ago, two different books. At
Speaker 2: the time. He did the best he could with the
Speaker 2: information he had, but now we think we have more information.
Speaker 2: So Edwards printed, sorry, Cameron printed a marriage license for example,
Speaker 2: before Edward went Edwards in November of nineteen fifty five
Speaker 2: in Idaho Falls, Idaho under the pseudonym that he had
Speaker 2: fake credential four passports, driver's license, social Security guards for
Speaker 2: name James Garfield, like the president in Langley, like the
Speaker 2: CIA headquarters. So I found another marriage license from the
Speaker 2: same date with the same names to the same lady,
Speaker 2: with the same judges in the same stamp, under the
Speaker 2: name Edward Wayne Edwards. So what I'm saying here is
Speaker 2: it seems like the CIA may be Project Chaos like
Speaker 2: Eddie's friend Charles Manson was. Maybe they issued him some
Speaker 2: fake credentials because old ed there gets picked up for
Speaker 2: a Lover's Lane murder in Portland, Ogon in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: after he does time in Deer Lodge Prison in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty under the name James Garfield Langley, so he gets
Speaker 2: the same credentials reissued to him after he gets out
Speaker 2: of a state prison stent in Deer Lodge Prison, the
Speaker 2: same dear Lodge prison that the fella in Zodiac Killer
Speaker 2: at Lake BERRYSA claimed to have escaped from murdered a
Speaker 2: prison guard, stole a car, and was driving to Mexico.
Speaker 2: Those are all details from every wind Evers life, but
Speaker 2: they didn't happen in nineteen sixty nine at the Lake
Speaker 2: Bery s event. They had happened to add fIF in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 3: But it's still compelling enough to make you wonder, right.
Speaker 2: Who in who what victim or who? Brian Hartnell has
Speaker 2: no reason to make any of that up. And it's
Speaker 2: in the Santa It's it's in the Senate. When not
Speaker 2: Santa Rosa. The Napa County Sheriff's Department please report, which
Speaker 2: I went over on my show talking about it, says
Speaker 2: Dear Lodge Prison. So Edward Wayne Edwards, whether or not
Speaker 2: he murdered the guard or not, is not known, but
Speaker 2: he was definitely in Dear Lodge prison in that riot
Speaker 2: in fifty nine. He definitely When later after getting picked
Speaker 2: up for he gets some reason, you know, he gets
Speaker 2: either gets paroled or he does escape. It's not exactly
Speaker 2: clear really, because again this man lives a very dubious
Speaker 2: and mysterious life. But he gets picked up in November
Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty under the name James Garfield Langley again right,
Speaker 2: arrested for a Lover's Lane murder, and he escapes to
Speaker 2: prison that night, goes on the run, becomes one of
Speaker 2: the most wanted men on the FBI's list, and has
Speaker 2: picked up in Atlanta, Georgia in January of nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 2: so fourteen months later, so for thirteen and a half.
Speaker 2: So there being is how would anyone know all those
Speaker 2: intimate details of an event that actually happened and never
Speaker 2: went unvers life and further substantiating John Cameron's claims, and
Speaker 2: I would agree he's correcting this that Ed was the
Speaker 2: guy in the hood that day at bary Essa, and
Speaker 2: he was I viewed more of a like a Manson
Speaker 2: two Bill Menzer style guy, like out of Ultimate Evil. Right. So,
Speaker 2: and again the reason why Bill Mentzer's named Manson two
Speaker 2: by Mary Terry's because he knew Charles Manson was part
Speaker 2: of that original scene. And Ed has known Charles Manson
Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 1: But you do.
Speaker 3: Believe that much like the Son of Sam, that there
Speaker 3: was probably multiple assailants that were running and ripping through
Speaker 3: as the Zoe teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are definitely teams, just ma'am. And that's why
Speaker 2: I keep saying the man in the hood was ed
Speaker 2: because he knew adds details of his life, right. And
Speaker 2: on top of that and the letters from the Zodiac,
Speaker 2: the zodiac describes that he gets his rocks off killing folks. Right.
Speaker 2: I'll look up the exact quote, but let's paraphrase. Ed
Speaker 2: ed Edwards gets busted for a nineteen eighty lover's Lane
Speaker 2: murder in Wisconsin. He gets busted in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: and he gets busted when his daughter watches a true
Speaker 2: crime show on TV says, oh, wait, that I know
Speaker 2: that town. I know that field where they found those bodies.
Speaker 2: In fact, my father took me to that field and
Speaker 2: we were living there and left the town that next day.
Speaker 2: So she calls the Wisconsin authorities and tells him that
Speaker 2: then gives her dnaated to compare against DNA left on
Speaker 2: the victims genies of the young female and the lover's
Speaker 2: Lane murder. Right, And that young female had semen on
Speaker 2: her genes, not raped, no sexual assault. Semen passed through
Speaker 2: the assailant's pants onto her jens onder her pants. So
Speaker 2: it seems everyone and Edwards did in fact get his
Speaker 2: rocks off strangling this young female.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So the evidence I would say is mounting that that
Speaker 2: is Ed is definitely involved in that team.
Speaker 3: Oh he has to be right.
Speaker 2: And again he and Charles mal And met. They were
Speaker 2: twenty one or twenty I think Ed was nineteen and
Speaker 2: Charles was eighteen, and they met at the Chili Coothe
Speaker 2: Reformatory in April of nineteen fifty two, and they were
Speaker 2: there together for fifteen months.
Speaker 3: Okay, their besties.
Speaker 2: And Ed ed again that DNA came back on them
Speaker 2: jeans and eighty. He didn't get the death penalty, so
Speaker 2: he then admitted to another Lover's Lane murder that occurred
Speaker 2: in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven, and in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: seven in Ohio there was no death penalty available for
Speaker 2: those crimes during that period. So then he admits to
Speaker 2: another murder in nineteen ninety six in Ohio, and there
Speaker 2: he gets the death penalty and he dies coincidentally, strangely enough,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple months before he was to be executed,
Speaker 2: but five days before John Cameron, the man who did
Speaker 2: the seminal studying to Ed Edwards, was supposed to come
Speaker 2: visit him. Oh shit, Yeah, so someone didn't want to
Speaker 2: ed talking to mind opinion, I.
Speaker 3: Was just gonna say that it's more likely they didn't
Speaker 3: want him saying a peep.
Speaker 2: And if you go, if folks of you or folks
Speaker 2: of interwebs, go on, go on and see these interviews
Speaker 2: that occurred in the spring of twenty eleven before ed dies.
Speaker 2: This regard twenty ten, I think it is thanks twenty ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he gets arrested, he gets uh, they come get
Speaker 2: they come get his DNA and by warrant in June
Speaker 2: of two thousand and nine. So I think he dies
Speaker 2: in April twenty and ten. But nonetheless, you can go
Speaker 2: on there. He's a he's faking to be an old
Speaker 2: man in a wheelchair on oxygen. That's all. That's all
Speaker 2: a ruse. That's all a ruse. He did have type
Speaker 2: two diabetes, but that was all a ruse. Like the
Speaker 2: guards of the prison in Ohio where he ends up
Speaker 2: dying said that they would wheel him back to his
Speaker 2: cell and he would just stand up out of his
Speaker 2: wheelchair and walk in. Fine. So this is this is
Speaker 2: the diabolical nature of Edward Win Edwards.
Speaker 3: Well John Wayne Gacy pulled a bunch of shit like
Speaker 3: that too. He'd say he was having heard attacks. He
Speaker 3: would say he couldn't, that he needed a wheelchair and
Speaker 3: all this stuff, because he also, much like a lot
Speaker 3: of the program Killers, was trying to get out of
Speaker 3: his Was he on death row? He was, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He was? Yeah, they executed Gaysey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, because there were a lot
Speaker 3: of times when he would fake a heart attack, he'd
Speaker 3: fake this, he'd faked that. He's one of these guys who, like,
Speaker 3: until I listened to that podcast, The Clown and the
Speaker 3: Candy Man, I didn't understand like how connected he really was,
Speaker 3: because it just sometimes sounded like he was just making
Speaker 3: up lie stories, you know, looking into it and it's like,
Speaker 3: maybe this is true.
Speaker 2: Well Nanni was was he politically connected? And you know
Speaker 2: and whatnot? And the JC stuff like he picks up
Speaker 2: one of his victims from the same bar that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Dahmer got one.
Speaker 3: Of his victims, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And there's connection between Gayzy and to Patsky, Norman and
Speaker 2: who all, and that whole network stretches to Ace Brown.
Speaker 2: They're Yonkers in New York in the son of same situation.
Speaker 3: So this is like a huge web, right, and there's
Speaker 3: multiple different I would say, like Portland area, like Seattle, California, Chicago, Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 3: Like there are like epicenters and then there's like little
Speaker 3: spider webs that crawl out from those epicenters.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, for sure, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: Think of it this way, as any corporation does, they
Speaker 2: have regional and uh, you know, divisions and you know
Speaker 2: organizational structures throughout regions and whatnot. So you're describing various
Speaker 2: regions that may have regional headquarters in right, mm hmm,
Speaker 2: just like just like any corporation does, right, any corporate effort.
Speaker 2: This is a corporate effort. This is an organized, bureaucratic
Speaker 2: spook operator, in my opinion, under matters of quote unquote
Speaker 2: national security every time.
Speaker 3: So would you say that Randy Craft fits this kind
Speaker 3: of blueprint?
Speaker 2: Not only does he fit this blueprint, he also I'm
Speaker 2: very interested in his epicenter of activity around the nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty eight presidential campaign of R. F. Kennedy in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: of which Randy Craft was very involved, and of which
Speaker 2: Ruman Polanski and Sharon Tate were very involved in that
Speaker 2: same county campaign effort of the RFK nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 2: presidential campaign. So there's no way, there is no I
Speaker 2: don't have any pictures of a proof, but there's no
Speaker 2: way these folks don't know each other. Because he's got
Speaker 2: got accolades for that campaign, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He got a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 3: Just like how John Wayne Gacy has a picture of
Speaker 3: himself with the first Lady, and just how Jeffrey Dahmer
Speaker 3: somehow was able to hook up a private tour of
Speaker 3: the White House when he was still in high school.
Speaker 3: This guy's getting a personal letter of thanks from Robert F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy for his campaigning efforts. Like, there's no way, that's
Speaker 3: just innocent.
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget Ted Bundy. He was an assistant.
Speaker 3: Oh and Ted Bundy too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the he was a driver, I believe, to
Speaker 2: the Attorney General. I want to think at one point
Speaker 2: of the State of Washington.
Speaker 3: Yes, he and he dated some type of politician's daughter too, right.
Speaker 2: Well, he worked high up in that in the R
Speaker 2: and C structure of the state of Washington. He definitely
Speaker 2: was involved in that and it was a rising star
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm hm. So I kind of want to get
Speaker 3: your opinion on something because you know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of podcasts out there that cover true crime stuff, but
Speaker 3: all they do is cover like the crime aspect of
Speaker 3: it and not so much like how it's connected, you know,
Speaker 3: like the truth about what serial killers really are. And
Speaker 3: I find it interesting that most of the programmed serial
Speaker 3: killers are the ones that get like the bitchin monikers
Speaker 3: like BTK, Zodiac, Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, Like, what
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on the moniker itself? Like this this
Speaker 3: is a tactic used to stir up fear, right.
Speaker 2: Well, for sure, these are all Operation Gladio style campaigns,
Speaker 2: I would argue, And you're describing the marketing aspects of it, right,
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So like this guy, Randy Kraft, he becomes known as
Speaker 3: the Scorecard Killer, but he's also known as the California Strangler.
Speaker 3: I want to say somebody else named him that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Southern California Strangler, the freeway Killer, or the card Killer.
Speaker 3: And I've been calling him the Government cheese Killer because
Speaker 3: he's clearly government and his last name is Craft. So
Speaker 3: that makes a good that's a good nickname.
Speaker 2: I like your marketing campaign on that one. And if
Speaker 2: I made this real quick, I looked up the Bundy stuff.
Speaker 2: He was the driver to the lieutenant governor of.
Speaker 3: The state of oh Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: And he was integral in the in the Nelson Rockefeller
Speaker 2: campaign in the nineteen sixty eight Nelson Rockefeller campaign for president,
Speaker 2: in the Seattle campaign.
Speaker 3: What, yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: That's Ted Bundy's political connection. So we see what I'm
Speaker 2: saying there is we see this repeating pattern, right, not
Speaker 2: only the marketing and creative nicknames. We see the repeating
Speaker 2: pattern of these political connections. We see the repeating pattern
Speaker 2: I see with craft name, with Bundy, with you know,
Speaker 2: with her well, I don't know about with Craft, I
Speaker 2: don't remember, but definitely with Bundy and Ed Edwards and
Speaker 2: Charles Manson, they have these are men without fathers mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, Richard Ramirez, you know, the list goes on
Speaker 2: with these characters. But I do you think as a
Speaker 2: repeating pattern of behavior and activities I think should not
Speaker 2: be ignored. Now, what was uh, what was Craft's Well,
Speaker 2: I know he had a father, but was what was
Speaker 2: his relationship? You recall does he his father up in
Speaker 2: the aerospace industry, right, yes?
Speaker 3: So actually government cheese is weird because his struggles with
Speaker 3: his family were because of his sexuality, a lot like
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dahmer, except I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's dad played
Speaker 3: a lot to do with helping jeff become who he was.
Speaker 3: In this case, he was kind of shunned by his
Speaker 3: family because he was gay, and it was in the
Speaker 3: early sixties and that shit wasn't cool back then, I guess,
Speaker 3: or it was looked down upon. So he kind of
Speaker 3: had like a weird relationship with his parents.
Speaker 2: Right right, And his dad was in the aerospace industry,
Speaker 2: and I saw them before he got into politics. That
Speaker 2: he joined the ROTC there at Claremont College in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: before later going and enlisting in the Air Force and
Speaker 2: then and then later getting out and then going back
Speaker 2: to Claremont. So this is he's got some odd in
Speaker 2: and an ounce and trajectories in life. And again, his
Speaker 2: associations in the nineteen sixty eight RFK campaign in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles is extremely questionable.
Speaker 3: So here, let me get your thoughts on this craft
Speaker 3: enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was
Speaker 3: in support of the Vietnam War, and then later he
Speaker 3: joined the Air Force. But do you find that some
Speaker 3: of these psychopaths when they're put into programs as young
Speaker 3: adults or even teenagers, that they could have been scouted
Speaker 3: out as potentially being like highly functioning sociopaths or highly
Speaker 3: functioning psychopaths, and they are kind of recruited in a
Speaker 3: way for future programs because of their innate psychopathy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's certainly
Speaker 2: that's a factor. I think some of this is multi generational.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, tell me about what you think about that.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's always generational or do you think
Speaker 3: am I back? Am I back?
Speaker 2: You're back? You're back? Do you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I was saying, I think I think the rule is
Speaker 2: that it's multi generational. But the exception to that rule
Speaker 2: is when it's not multi generational. So there are examples
Speaker 2: of that, but the overwhelming pattern shows that it is
Speaker 2: these are multi generational aspects that we don't quite understand.
Speaker 3: So would you say, because I think like Ted Bundy's
Speaker 3: stepdad was military, Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was some kind of
Speaker 3: like a scientist or something like that. Uh, like you're
Speaker 3: saying it comes from like the dad's side of the fan,
Speaker 3: or it be random, or.
Speaker 2: It could be either one. It could be either one.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be mom's at side, dad's side.
Speaker 2: So I think, for example, so let's look at that.
Speaker 2: I think I was described to you there before the
Speaker 2: show here started, Julia. But the Zodiac victim and survivor
Speaker 2: Brian Hartnell at Lake Berry. I say, who, I would
Speaker 2: argue at the one who stabbed a bunch of times
Speaker 2: at Edward's. That is the man in the hood and
Speaker 2: the magical you Beck, you Beck? Yeah, yeah, So let's
Speaker 2: look at let's look at so I think, understanding all
Speaker 2: these crimes, you gotta understand only the criminology of the
Speaker 2: you know, the the the you know the aspects, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, environments, the families of the criminals. Right. You
Speaker 2: gotta do the same thing with the victims, right, and
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta understand that is why are they
Speaker 2: a victim? Is at random? I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: And again, if you start looking at it in a
Speaker 2: generational regard, it seems to indicate it's not so. Brian
Speaker 2: Hartnell gets stabbed a bunch of times by the guy
Speaker 2: and the seemingly thelemic magical ritual hood and what it
Speaker 2: seems like a ritual sacrifice around water uh filmed in
Speaker 2: a snuff capacity by two men who sat on a
Speaker 2: boat thirty meters away from the victims and watched them
Speaker 2: screen for thirty minutes while one of the victims, Brian
Speaker 2: Hartnell crawled to the road and his Girlfriendsila Shepherd, would
Speaker 2: later die in the ambulance on the way to the hospital,
Speaker 2: but Brian Hartnell would survive despite the very tragic circumstances
Speaker 2: and a lot of stavings. So Brian Hartnell looking at him.
Speaker 2: His mother was a woman by the name Walker was
Speaker 2: the last name, and her father seems to have been
Speaker 2: the hereditary member of the society the Cincinnati the folks
Speaker 2: that started America and the secret society that is, and
Speaker 2: I would argue still very much runs it. And I
Speaker 2: would argue there's very much been a factional feud in
Speaker 2: that society since Aaron Burr murdered the President general of
Speaker 2: that society, Alexander Hamilton, in eighteen oh four. I called
Speaker 2: him the anti liberty faction and the liberty faction that
Speaker 2: would be Burr on the anti liberty faction representing the
Speaker 2: Crown and the Vatican his background as backers, and that's
Speaker 2: demonstrably proven. The things historians miss on that is they
Speaker 2: don't claim that Aaron Burr started that coup until after
Speaker 2: he murdered Alexander Hamilton. And the reason that said is
Speaker 2: because no one wants to understand that Alexander Hamlets was
Speaker 2: the President General Society at the time, so and Aaron
Speaker 2: Burr was a fellow New York Chapter Society member. But
Speaker 2: this is a modern day knighthood. It's literally the new
Speaker 2: incarnation of the Knight's Templar. These folks forefathers were the
Speaker 2: Knights Templar, and these folks started America and the Secret
Speaker 2: Society formed by the original officers of Washington's Army in
Speaker 2: May of seventeen eighty three. America formed in September seventeen
Speaker 2: eighty three, So that's there's really not much dispute, so
Speaker 2: it gets passed down hereditary from the original members. Now,
Speaker 2: when you get to a situation like Brian hart Hartnell's
Speaker 2: maternal grandfather Walker there if he doesn't have any sons
Speaker 2: and then it gets passed down through the daughter to
Speaker 2: the next available paternal lineage. Right. So, and if you
Speaker 2: go back in that lineage, Colonel Walker, the original member there,
Speaker 2: who the hereditary member appears been passed down to Brian
Speaker 2: Hartnell's maternal grandfather. The original member was a major figure
Speaker 2: in this personal friend of Washington and assistant to General
Speaker 2: von Steubens. So this is a very integral member within
Speaker 2: this power structure that the membership is getting passed down through.
Speaker 2: And I think that might plan to a factory some
Speaker 2: of these things. Because Brian Hartnell's grandfather died and I
Speaker 2: think it was November of nineteen sixty six, when he
Speaker 2: was seventeen years old. So it seems like young seventeen
Speaker 2: year old Brian Hartnell got himself hereditarily inducted into the
Speaker 2: secret society that started America three two, just under three
Speaker 2: years before he gets stabbed a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: That is so crazy. That is so crazy.
Speaker 2: And then go ahead, well.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, so it's like we could
Speaker 3: compare it kind of actually not kind of, we can
Speaker 3: compare it to like the Laurel Canyon of serial killers
Speaker 3: and victims, right, because if you look at the Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 3: like David Crosby and some of these assholes with Lutely,
Speaker 3: you know they've got family members going all the way
Speaker 3: back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 2: You know, well that not on that note, let's look
Speaker 2: at the Manson family murders there in Benedict Canyon of
Speaker 2: that same Laueral Canyon scene. Right from the sixties, you
Speaker 2: got Abigail Folger, the Coffee Foundation, and if you go
Speaker 2: back to the Folgers, Peter Folger was the founder of
Speaker 2: Nantucket back in the late sixteen hundreds. He's Peter Folger's
Speaker 2: the grandfather of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's mother's the daughter
Speaker 2: of Peter Volder Maryland and Marilyn Monroe's father. Again, people
Speaker 2: want to dispute these things. I've looked pretty well into
Speaker 2: it to come to a conclusion here, because she does
Speaker 2: seem to have Monroe heritage through her mother's family, even
Speaker 2: though she would later choose the name Monroe as this
Speaker 2: monic as the pseudonym. Right, it seems to be that
Speaker 2: that might be why. But my point being is DNA
Speaker 2: has proven that she's a Gifford. Her father was a Gifford,
Speaker 2: Charles Gifford. Charles Gifford's mother was a Franklin. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: manal grandmother was a Franklin. Marilyn Monroe's sixth great grandfather
Speaker 2: was Benjamin Franklin. I'm sorry, six sixth great uncle, sixth grade.
Speaker 3: Ancre knew it you was gonna drop a freaking bomb
Speaker 3: like that. Look at this.
Speaker 2: So as a result of that was speaking of Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 2: seeing we got Marilyn Monroe. You know who's the Church
Speaker 2: of Satan's dedicated in the Bible's dedicated her in one
Speaker 2: of the parties, right, and she's she's cousins folds your
Speaker 2: cousins with Abigail Folger. And it gets worse than that
Speaker 2: because if you look at John Markham, the processed church
Speaker 2: attorney who plays a lot of things later in life,
Speaker 2: but notably in two thousand and two, he's helping Leslie
Speaker 2: van Hooton get out of prison, right, the Manson girl
Speaker 2: from the La Bianca merders. Right. And if you look
Speaker 2: at who takes over Jay Sebring, the victim at the
Speaker 2: Tate Polanski him and the Manson murders. The man who
Speaker 2: takes over his enterprise inherits it after his murder is
Speaker 2: a man by the name of Jim Markham. He is Markham,
Speaker 2: cousins with the processed Church attorney John Markham.
Speaker 3: My god, right, So it's not just the killers, it's
Speaker 3: the victims too, and.
Speaker 2: It gets worse, it gets you're spot on, Gaus. We're
Speaker 2: Sharon Tate's father, US Army and Intelligence Colonel Paul Tait.
Speaker 2: His second great grandfather was Lieutenant Jesse Tate from the
Speaker 2: Virginia chapter of the Society, the Cincinnati It seems like
Speaker 2: he was a hereditary member, right, and he had no sons.
Speaker 2: He had no sons, and Sharon Tate was pregnant with
Speaker 2: eight and a half months pregnant with her son, which
Speaker 2: would have been the hereditary member to receive membership from
Speaker 2: the Society from Paul Tate. So wild. So I think
Speaker 2: what we're looking at is what you're saying. These elite families, right,
Speaker 2: and these disputes that they have, and we were told
Speaker 2: the Pensance tale if you will have you know these
Speaker 2: parapolitical storylines. You guys deal with these factors and chew
Speaker 2: honus for a while when they're really just doing their
Speaker 2: secret Society family bullshit few right.
Speaker 3: Well, do you believe jj your personal opinion, are you
Speaker 3: scared of serial killers? Like, do you think that there
Speaker 3: are real, live, just random psychopaths out there that just
Speaker 3: want to fucking just murder people? Or do you think
Speaker 3: that a lot of the hype and a lot of
Speaker 3: the sensationalism behind it is mostly programmed.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question, Julie. And in fact,
Speaker 2: I Don't'm not an expert in anything, but I have
Speaker 2: met a couple of these characters. I know a few
Speaker 2: of what you're talking about. I would say they're all programs.
Speaker 3: You would say, Okay, yeah, Now.
Speaker 2: I'll give you, I'll give you a great example and
Speaker 2: I'll tie you back into the process in the RFK
Speaker 2: murder for you. So I met a fellow back in
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, face to face, about eighteen inches
Speaker 2: away through a thin layer of plexiglass, a cannibalistic, psychopathic
Speaker 2: kid diddling homicidal, a serial killer by the name of
Speaker 2: Nathaniel bar jonah Right. He had attempted to murder, eating
Speaker 2: the rape, u the raped, and attempted to murder and
Speaker 2: eat in five young kids in Massachusetts. The judge that
Speaker 2: let him out was the same judge that let Teddy
Speaker 2: Kennedy walk in the Chapiquittic situation. He was the special
Speaker 2: prosecutor in that case. He was later a judge, but
Speaker 2: he was a special prosecutor in that case. Right, So
Speaker 2: in chap Equittic, the victim in chap Equittic happened to
Speaker 2: be rfk's chief campaign staffer from the nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 2: presidential campaign, a woman that had a lot of details,
Speaker 2: a lot of details, and it just so happens old
Speaker 2: Teddy Kennedy six months prior to the art of the
Speaker 2: Chapiquittic situation happened to be meeting with the Cambridge mayor
Speaker 2: in the processed church, in the Cambridge location of the
Speaker 2: processed church. That's documentary.
Speaker 3: Fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So what about what about? Like, so you met you've
Speaker 3: met this guy, right and you feel like he was
Speaker 3: grassroots or you feel like it was generational.
Speaker 2: I not only think that it was generational, I think
Speaker 2: he was a mind control of assassin style. He was
Speaker 2: let loose from the Bridgewater Mental Hospital, the same Bridgewater
Speaker 2: Mental hospital that my former stalker and want to be
Speaker 2: pr Rep. Buffalo Jared Riviza allegedly sits in today. He's
Speaker 2: another mind controlled guy went on multi state killing spree.
Speaker 2: He sits in the same mental state out statemental hospital
Speaker 2: that let Nathaniel bar Jonah lose to go. He told
Speaker 2: the judge, he told numerous psychiatrists in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Bar Jonah did before they let him out of this
Speaker 2: joint that he was going to murder, rape, murder and
Speaker 2: eat young children. He told the judge that judge it now,
Speaker 2: you're good, dude, you're good. The same guy to let
Speaker 2: Teddy Candy walk from the tap of quittic situation. And
Speaker 2: you know what Nathaniel bar Jonah did four weeks after
Speaker 2: to let him out. He kidnapped, attempted, he was in
Speaker 2: the process of raping and was going to murder and
Speaker 2: eat that young boy. And they caught him. They gave
Speaker 2: him probation, and they shipped him off to Great Falls, Montana,
Speaker 2: which has an identical profile. If you're familiar with the
Speaker 2: Son of sam cold activity to the Son of sam
Speaker 2: Mi not situation.
Speaker 3: Wow, do you think it's also a pattern because Randy
Speaker 3: Craft Government cheese killer. He by the way, thank you.
Speaker 3: He also fits the pattern of uh, Jeffrey Dahmer and
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy in the way that he just keeps getting
Speaker 3: away with it, like they will caught him multiple times,
Speaker 3: like pretty much in the act, and he still will
Speaker 3: either get a slap on the wrist or he'll get probation.
Speaker 3: Randy Craft got away with murdering young men and boys
Speaker 3: for a decade and got caught several times and got
Speaker 3: let right back out on the street.
Speaker 2: JJ, that can get That's a pattern. No, that's you're
Speaker 2: spot on. That's a pattern. So Nathaniel bar Jonah in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven in Massachusetts, there he got arrested. This
Speaker 2: is put him in They threw him in prison for
Speaker 2: twenty years. He got transferred to that mental institution, right,
Speaker 2: but he uh, he did fourteen years. I think him
Speaker 2: there before they let him out. But he uh. In
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, he's arrested raping. They catch him in
Speaker 2: the act of raping an eight year old boy in
Speaker 2: his car and there's another eight year old boy already
Speaker 2: that he already rapped half dead in the.
Speaker 3: Trunk, and he got probation for that.
Speaker 2: He got probation when he repeated that act in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, here's the deal that same judge that they
Speaker 2: can let him off in ninety one and gave him
Speaker 2: probation to let him out of that mental institution. Is
Speaker 2: the same prosecutor like Teddy Canny walk on the chap
Speaker 2: aquitic situation, right, you know, decades prior, and the way
Speaker 2: I look at it is process. People are going to process.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And you're you're you were in the military, right allegedly.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding you. I did twenty years in the Air
Speaker 2: Force Military Police.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So answer me this question too, right, because
Speaker 3: this is something that I find inconsistent with Randy Kraft's
Speaker 3: story because he, much like a lot of the Laurel
Speaker 3: Canyon cast of characters, was stationed at Edwards Air Force
Speaker 3: Base right in southern California. He quickly rose to the
Speaker 3: rank of Airmen first class and a supervisor manager, and
Speaker 3: he was in charge of pain test planes. Are you
Speaker 3: familiar with what that might have been?
Speaker 2: Well, you got a lot of Nazis there. So Edwards
Speaker 2: is part of Air Force Material Command. Air Force Material
Speaker 2: Command was largely set up by Project the Project paper
Speaker 2: Clip Nazis in the headquarters of which is at Ry
Speaker 2: Patterson Air Force Base where they would later run all
Speaker 2: of their alien syops out of. Right, So there is
Speaker 2: that is an interesting detail in the matter I would
Speaker 2: be I would also like to know the epicenter of
Speaker 2: activity with one specific cult. So when Parsons dies in
Speaker 2: the whole agape Oer, the Oto and Pasadena kind of
Speaker 2: you know, splinters, he didn't actually found the Pasadena Lodge.
Speaker 2: The founder of it was a different fellow, and that
Speaker 2: fella ran off with parsons actual wife. Hubbard ran off
Speaker 2: with parsons wife's girlfriend. They're all doing weird sexual stuff.
Speaker 2: So who knows. But this is just I legally documented
Speaker 2: relationships I'm discussing. But then there's Marjorie Cameron that's in
Speaker 2: the mix, right. She would go on to start a
Speaker 2: different cult in Riverside County, California, right outside of Edward's
Speaker 2: Air Force Base, right right near the administrative headquarters of Scientology,
Speaker 2: right near Cabazon, Indian.
Speaker 5: JJ, Right, So there's an episode of activity there, right
Speaker 5: with all that, With all that stuff, they're like, that's
Speaker 5: not all happening independently and around the same location.
Speaker 3: Fuck No, especially not with like a bunch of the
Speaker 3: Laurel Kenyon crew coming up out of Edward's Air Force Base,
Speaker 3: you know, with their family and so and so. Keeping
Speaker 3: that in mind what you just said, someone who is
Speaker 3: stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and there's supposed to
Speaker 3: be a supervisor manager of testing of excuse me, painting
Speaker 3: test planes, would there ever be a time where they
Speaker 3: would have gotten trained on what to do with dead
Speaker 3: bodies and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm glad you bring that up, because clearly
Speaker 2: someone trained Edward when Edwards to be a highly skilled
Speaker 2: and very disciplined assassin, and.
Speaker 3: Someone same with Randy Craft.
Speaker 2: Randy Craft, Yeah, Randy Craft, definitely, you're spot on me.
Speaker 2: And he definitely got some similar training for sure, with
Speaker 2: the way he operates ors. It's it's evident, it's evident.
Speaker 2: Right again, I'm starting to see patterns amongst all these folks.
Speaker 2: And and what I would argue is that that that
Speaker 2: title that you described him as is likely just to
Speaker 2: cover cover, cover, title and cover.
Speaker 3: It has to be right, it has to be like,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Well, I was gonna say when I describe
Speaker 3: a couple of these victims and what he did to them,
Speaker 3: I just don't Maybe I'm not a rocket science the
Speaker 3: scientist JJ.
Speaker 2: But neither was Jack Parsons. But look what he achieved.
Speaker 3: Well hear me out. I just don't know when the
Speaker 3: proper disposal of a dead body would come up in
Speaker 3: the painting test planes class, Like I are those two
Speaker 3: things they do?
Speaker 1: Do they?
Speaker 3: Is that like an elective class you can take. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? How does he know this stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, I would say it's again something similar to the
Speaker 2: reason why Edward. When Edwards continually gets issued the same
Speaker 2: credentials and fake, fake ideas passports and social Security cards
Speaker 2: under the name doctor James Garfield Langley, even before he
Speaker 2: and after he gets out of state prison in Montana.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is we're dealing with similar programs of
Speaker 2: cover stories and cover IDs, and it's tough to discern
Speaker 2: the facts when we know there's obvious subfuge at hand.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Wait, I mean, so, I know you're gonna touch
Speaker 3: on Marjorie Cameron right quick, but I did want to say.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just going to point out that cult. Now,
Speaker 2: That's all I was going to point out, was that cult.
Speaker 3: Oh oh outside of Edward's Air Force base. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: with the sex magic.
Speaker 2: And the yip. Well you were talking about the Laurel
Speaker 2: Canyon crowd. That's precisely who she's associated with. So part
Speaker 2: of her cult was Dean Stockwell, Kenneth Anger. This is
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, right, So this is before Laurel Canyon, right,
Speaker 2: So you have that same predecessor of crowded, the Laurel
Speaker 2: Canyon scene and the Manson family scene around this cult
Speaker 2: in Riverside County in the post Agape Lodge. So Brent
Speaker 2: branching the two errors, right the forties, late thirties and
Speaker 2: forties to the sixties is branched with Marjorie Cameron, Kenneth Anger,
Speaker 2: Dean Stockwell, the actor I'm missing, oh, Dennis Hoppers involved
Speaker 2: in this, right.
Speaker 3: That is so crazy And it has to be connected too, because.
Speaker 2: Look at the name the children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well a.
Speaker 2: Lot of connotations there, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was gonna say, Randy Kraft, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to get your thoughts on this. He only served
Speaker 3: thirteen months and he was supposedly discharged on medical grounds
Speaker 3: because he told his supervisors that he was gay. Do
Speaker 3: you find that credible?
Speaker 2: Well, that would have been the disposition of that activity
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if you told him that even when I
Speaker 2: first joined before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Speaker 2: on to Serra two thousand and nine or ten. And yeah,
Speaker 2: have you said that you would just immediately get it,
Speaker 2: You get a general discharger. That's how they would do it.
Speaker 3: But do you find that it could be just like
Speaker 3: a likely cover to send him on his merry murdering way.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's a I
Speaker 2: don't think they're mutually exclusive. It could be both, it
Speaker 2: could be both. Let's take a quick note here before
Speaker 2: I take this on the screen. Note Julia and the
Speaker 2: repeating patterns we see here. So while in Mexico, and
Speaker 2: this is the fifties, Marjorie Cameron began doing blood rituals
Speaker 2: in the hopes of communicating with Parsons. And then you'll
Speaker 2: see when she heard the unidentified flying object had allegedly
Speaker 2: been seen over Washington, DC Capitol Building, she considered a
Speaker 2: response to parsons death. So this is what I mean
Speaker 2: by these people are all doing to limit rituals, blood rituals.
Speaker 2: And they're also ancient Ilian cargo cults.
Speaker 3: Yeah they are, Oh my god. So maybe he was
Speaker 3: dismissed because he was gay, I actually think it's a cover.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's what I'm saying. It's both right,
Speaker 2: it's a convenient way to shitcote it because he is
Speaker 2: obviously an ardent homosexual and the sado massachist.
Speaker 6: Of that mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And what makes it interesting to me is because government
Speaker 3: She's was said to be a brilliant genius, that he
Speaker 3: had a high IQ. That's his name, man, That's that's it.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the title. I'm gonna put that in
Speaker 2: the title My control Murders and government cheese.
Speaker 3: Yes. So he was said to have like this super
Speaker 3: high IQ. And after his time in the military, he
Speaker 3: immediately found employee with an aerospace program.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: And he worked for this aerospace firm for the majority
Speaker 3: of the time that he was ripping and running through
Speaker 3: dudes buttholes.
Speaker 2: So a lot of.
Speaker 3: A lot of ripping, a lot of running. But he
Speaker 3: keep he kept getting away with it. Like he would
Speaker 3: be caught in the act JJ of some of the
Speaker 3: most debaucherous shit you can imagine, and they'd be like eh,
Speaker 3: and they would just let let him go or give
Speaker 3: him a probation or or nothing at all.
Speaker 2: Same thing we see with Ed Edwards as pal Charles Manson.
Speaker 2: This same thing we see with Ted Bundy when he
Speaker 2: escapes prisons, goes to airports and gets an airline ticket
Speaker 2: under his name Ted.
Speaker 3: Bundy, right right, So okay, nothing.
Speaker 2: Like excaping prison, being wanted by the Feds and city
Speaker 2: police and being like, you know, I'm gonna go get
Speaker 2: a book an airline ticket under my own name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he knew, just like I think government cheese
Speaker 3: and actually Jeffrey Dahmer, because that night that one little
Speaker 3: boy is sipped. Then the police returned to that victim
Speaker 3: right back up to his apartment and was just like,
Speaker 3: enjoy your butt sex and like left or whatever.
Speaker 2: Enjoy them rip some runs. So what you're pointing out here,
Speaker 2: may is you're pointing out a pattern of behavior here
Speaker 2: where this is repeating patterned behavior. They're always let out
Speaker 2: and stuff, and you'll see that and the reaction of
Speaker 2: these individuals when they are finally arrested. They are utterly
Speaker 2: shocked and in all because they've been allowed to operate
Speaker 2: with impunity, murdering, ripping and running butttholes and stealing shit
Speaker 2: and doing hood rat shit for so long. When they're
Speaker 2: finally busted, they don't understand it because they've been allowed
Speaker 2: to do these things under some sort of mission in Operation.
Speaker 3: JJU stole the words right out of my mouth because
Speaker 3: when I tell you how Randy Kraft got caught, you're
Speaker 3: gonna shit your pants. And like, how shocked he was
Speaker 3: that he even got caught, because.
Speaker 2: Every time, every time, every fucking time.
Speaker 3: So the first victim that he got caught with was
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old little boy. He found him, took
Speaker 3: him back to his apartment, gave him an overdose of drugs,
Speaker 3: raped him, beat him, and then he left for work.
Speaker 3: And somehow this little boy got out, made his way
Speaker 3: to an emergency room. He told the police where to
Speaker 3: go to the apartment. This little boy had to get
Speaker 3: his stomach pumped, he had to get all types of
Speaker 3: medical treatment. And the little boy was like, yes, this
Speaker 3: man drugged me and raped me and beat me and
Speaker 3: there was no charges ever filed against him. That was
Speaker 3: his first victim, a thirteen year old boy.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, So that sounds all like Michael Aquino in
Speaker 2: the Presidio incident, when a young a young female victim
Speaker 2: identified intimate details of the inside decorations and furniture of
Speaker 2: his home let alone identifying him as Mikey in the
Speaker 2: base PX.
Speaker 3: And yet no charges, right, no charges, no, And and
Speaker 3: it keeps it keeps going like that. And what you'll
Speaker 3: find is he actually killed about seventy young men and
Speaker 3: boys over his ripping and running butthole's career, and the
Speaker 3: majority of them were United States Marine Corps officers.
Speaker 2: I saw that, dude. Yeah, he's even operating on some
Speaker 2: of these barracks and installations. Who's letting him on there?
Speaker 3: Who's not letting him?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was an MP in the Air Force twenty years, ma'am.
Speaker 2: You ain't getting on a base unless you fucking know
Speaker 2: some shit and know some people.
Speaker 3: You have to have at least a cat card, some
Speaker 3: shit something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure if you do some weird shit
Speaker 2: around some barracks, folks are going to call that in,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And you got to know
Speaker 2: some ship to people to make sure that nothing happens,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean to have some top cover, if
Speaker 2: you will, right right.
Speaker 3: My ex husband worked out an Air Force base and
Speaker 3: it was hard to even let me get in because
Speaker 3: we would go to like the bowling alley and stuff sometimes,
Speaker 3: and those.
Speaker 2: Security forces guys were dicks.
Speaker 3: Huh, Yeah, they were so. I mean I find it
Speaker 3: interesting that he was able to get to these Marine
Speaker 3: Corps officers so easily. He killed a bunch of Marine Corps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems almost targeted the Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't. I don't think that's an accident at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he could just be like I really
Speaker 2: like marines, where someone could be like, this is who
Speaker 2: they're targeting. And again, and I'll look into it. I
Speaker 2: haven't gotten a chance to yet, because I'm really interested
Speaker 2: in the victimology and who these victims are and where
Speaker 2: they come from. Obviously, because I'll give you another example
Speaker 2: here in the moment when we get back to some
Speaker 2: more tales of Laural Canyon with Leno la Bianca in
Speaker 2: his background, because that's fucking interesting relative to matters of
Speaker 2: Edwards Air Force BACE and whatnot. But nonetheless, it is
Speaker 2: the victims. I think the these are our targeted things.
Speaker 2: And again, when you're dealing with all these Marine Corps officers,
Speaker 2: you have to ask, what the fuck is really going
Speaker 2: on there?
Speaker 3: What do you think about this in relation to the
Speaker 3: information you brought up about the the U, What is
Speaker 3: it like a cult that was right outside of Edward's
Speaker 3: Air Force Base or it was what would you call it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know their exact location. I just know
Speaker 2: they were in Riverside, California, and the same location as
Speaker 2: Ewards Air Force Base and the same location as is
Speaker 2: the administrative worldwide headquarters of the Scientologists.
Speaker 3: Well, what would you call it? Like a religious sect?
Speaker 3: A cult?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: I would call it an offshoot of Thelma. It was
Speaker 2: an offshoot of the Gopy Lodge of the Ato.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I meant I saw that it mentioned sex
Speaker 3: magic in there and like a bunch of weird stuff.
Speaker 3: So what do you think about Randy Kraft ritualizing his
Speaker 3: victims in like a specific way? What would what would
Speaker 3: you think about that?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm glad you said that. And again this
Speaker 2: is this is an offshoot of the Yappeo logist is
Speaker 2: Jack Parson's wife ex wife, you know, he his second
Speaker 2: wife there, Marjorie Cameron. So and you can see here
Speaker 2: even in writings from Gerald Yorke here from Wicked Folks, right,
Speaker 2: he's talking about thelemic stuff because the Wicked stuff all
Speaker 2: it's all Wicka is an offshoot of Thelema as well.
Speaker 2: And they all they all embrace Crowley. They're all talking
Speaker 2: about we love Corolla. Here we go and speaking of embrace,
Speaker 2: embracing his thelemic beliefs. So we see that over and
Speaker 2: over again again. This is an offshoot. So we were
Speaker 2: talking about the sado masochistic uh rape and torture, especially
Speaker 2: of males. That is right out of Crowley. And I'll
Speaker 2: bring up a quote in the moment, but that you're
Speaker 2: spot on with this is Crafts activities are fucking Thelemic
Speaker 2: as shit if you asked me so.
Speaker 3: For example, one of his signatures was that he would
Speaker 3: burn the victim eyeballs out with a car cigarette lighter.
Speaker 3: He would bite their nipples off, he would shove ballpoint
Speaker 3: pins down their penis holes, and he would he would
Speaker 3: cut he would literally.
Speaker 2: Right, but he would.
Speaker 3: He would rape them obviously in the bee hole, and
Speaker 3: then he would cut their penis and ball bag off
Speaker 3: and then he would have a sock up the bee hole.
Speaker 3: That's how he ended up getting caught. Is his signature
Speaker 3: was a sock up the bee hole. So what do
Speaker 3: you what do you think about it?
Speaker 2: But I have heard them, Well, what what do you think?
Speaker 3: Of it in regards to ritualism, because this is this
Speaker 3: goes beyond like, oh, this guy just like strangled some
Speaker 3: dudes and like threw him out on the side of
Speaker 3: the road. This is going to the next level of
Speaker 3: inhuman debauchery.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Julie, you're spot on, man. Look at the
Speaker 2: West Memphis three victims and the mutilation of those of
Speaker 2: their genitals. So and again we look back at the
Speaker 2: statements of Alistair Curley and these people who are adhere
Speaker 2: to them. And Alistair Curley believed there were three forms
Speaker 2: of sex magic autoerotic, heterosexual, and homosexual. He claimed that
Speaker 2: by performing specific so specific sexual rituals for different things
Speaker 2: is how I take it right. He claimed that by
Speaker 2: performing specific sex sexual rituals, including sato massochistic sex rituals
Speaker 2: on young boys, one could achieve financial gains and personal success. Further,
Speaker 2: for the mutilation in genitals, the sadomasochistic acts of burning
Speaker 2: things nipples and bit and shit off and behole socks
Speaker 2: of be holes and whatnot, look no further than the
Speaker 2: motivations of the people that they of the religion they claim, right, it.
Speaker 3: Has to be because it's like there are a lot
Speaker 3: of things that make me think that this is very
Speaker 3: similar to Ted Bundy and to Jeffrey Dahmer, because Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Dahmer did a lot of weird stuff with the genitals.
Speaker 3: He did a lot of weird stuff about like hacking
Speaker 3: and slashing and eating and cannibalizing and like keeping parts
Speaker 3: for later. And you know Ted Bundy was a necrophile
Speaker 3: and he was doing a bunch of weird stuff like this,
Speaker 3: and it's like why, we're why. It's like they go
Speaker 3: beyond just killing the person. They're like shoving socks up
Speaker 3: bee holes, they're cutting penises and ball bag off, they're
Speaker 3: people's eyes out, Like what is this?
Speaker 1: J J.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the whole hog effect as I explained it. Man,
Speaker 2: it's the it's the they're gonna get the most utility
Speaker 2: out of out of the situation. So, not only is
Speaker 2: it ritual human sacrifice following the seemingly the words of
Speaker 2: early they're in. Uh, not only is it probably hits
Speaker 2: many of these instances, it's also causes chaos and terror
Speaker 2: processed church style in accordance with Eric trist Tavistock's Social
Speaker 2: Turbulence paper from nineteen sixty three, which seems to indicate
Speaker 2: precisely the outline and framework of what the process does
Speaker 2: in trist in the process invaded America at the same time,
Speaker 2: and back to Laurel Canyon. Eric trist the founder of
Speaker 2: Tavistock and writer of the Social Turbulence, the philosophy of
Speaker 2: causing chaos and terror on a society in which to
Speaker 2: mold it, would then go to UCLA. His son would
Speaker 2: become the manager in music publishing company president of the
Speaker 2: Grateful Dead. And I would argue this goes in line
Speaker 2: with Bill Colby's folks and his machinations of Operation Gladio
Speaker 2: to achieve the same goals. And we look at folks
Speaker 2: like Michael Aquino, who was a Colby queer. That's what
Speaker 2: it's working title, all of Colby's people. I'm gone them
Speaker 2: Colby Queer's not because of their sexual natures, even though
Speaker 2: that may be the case, but because they're strange and unusual.
Speaker 2: And we have a hard time explaining these matters in
Speaker 2: our day and age and relating to whatever the fuck's
Speaker 2: going on because these people have made it intentionally strange
Speaker 2: and unusual and hard to explain. But if Dave McGowan
Speaker 2: was alive, today, he claimed that Bill Colby brought Project
Speaker 2: Phoenix home and that was the Serial Killers. And if
Speaker 2: he was alive today, I think he would adapt the
Speaker 2: same thing that I'm saying right now and say that
Speaker 2: what they did was with that is built a Satanic
Speaker 2: framework what's called satanic murder ink. So in order to
Speaker 2: get folks to do hood rat shit, you got to
Speaker 2: have a framework in which to recruit folks and operate
Speaker 2: within this network. So they built a satanic murder inc
Speaker 2: network through these Satanic cults beginning in nineteen sixty six
Speaker 2: with a Colby queer, Michael Aquina. Now he would argue
Speaker 2: that he doesn't join the Church of Satan until sometime
Speaker 2: between sixty seven and sixty nine, which I'm narrowing down
Speaker 2: and I've got five different dates. This dude claims he
Speaker 2: first meets Levey and then later joins the Church of Satan.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is he's bullshitting on all of them.
Speaker 2: He was there from day one, Because this is much
Speaker 2: like the Mafia's murdering. This is satanic murder ink, and
Speaker 2: they're going to do their hood rat shit the same way,
Speaker 2: but they're going to use this framework of Satanism in
Speaker 2: which to accomplish it. And that's why we see in
Speaker 2: McGowan's program to kill folks like Richard Ramirez getting a
Speaker 2: one on one with Anton Levey and San Francisco before
Speaker 2: his terror campaign in Los Angeles.
Speaker 6: Too much, that's too much, right, So what would you
Speaker 6: say about I wanted to kind of like touch on
Speaker 6: something you mentioned just now, what would you say about
Speaker 6: these guys are kind of mixing business with pleasure because
Speaker 6: they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy to some
Speaker 6: degree as well.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not mutually exclusive. So let's take a look
Speaker 2: at Edwondyn Edwards. I said he got picked up in
Speaker 2: Portland in nineteen sixty four lovers Lane. I said he
Speaker 2: was probably most likely and a likely probability is the
Speaker 2: guy like berry S and the Zodiac mask in September
Speaker 2: sixty nine. He He also is convicted of doing two
Speaker 2: different lovers lane murders, one in Wisconsin and eighty and
Speaker 2: one in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven. So what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is it doesn't have to murder folks in lovers lanes.
Speaker 2: It's not what you're saying is they're not me Usually exclusive.
Speaker 2: They're not business and pleasure. He mixes both. So that's
Speaker 2: that's what I mean by the whole hog effect, and
Speaker 2: it is a bit so not only is it the
Speaker 2: whole hog effect economically speaking, ritually speaking, they're gonna achieve
Speaker 2: whatever they can personally speaking. So Ed didn't know his father.
Speaker 2: He was a product of a one night stand in
Speaker 2: the next seat of a car, and his mother went
Speaker 2: to prison immediately there after, and he had a lot
Speaker 2: of other issues with this. He was identified of being
Speaker 2: a psychopath at the age of thirteen, and the root
Speaker 2: of his psychopathy was this issue with his parents in
Speaker 2: this lover's lane situation in the back of a car. So, look,
Speaker 2: how Ed achieves all of his murders in life, all
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority, it seems a lot of them. He targets
Speaker 2: his victims, but then targets them to do them in
Speaker 2: a chaos terror event and a ritualistic human sacrifice, but
Speaker 2: chooses to do that in a lover's lane because that
Speaker 2: seeks his that achieves his personal ends. Right. Does that
Speaker 2: make sense?
Speaker 3: Yes, it does, it does. And that's what I kind
Speaker 3: of see with Randy Kraft because it's, like I said before,
Speaker 3: the level he goes to, uh, destroying the body and
Speaker 3: the raping, and like the shoven ballpoint pins up up
Speaker 3: the penis to then still cut the penis off.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 3: It's too much, okay.
Speaker 2: I like, whoa that, ma'am, because that's exactly how I
Speaker 2: read it when I looked into this too. It's the
Speaker 2: same shit. He really enjoys that, right.
Speaker 3: He has to. And you know, there was another instance
Speaker 3: where there was this guy, uh, what's his name? I
Speaker 3: think his name, Yeah, it's Keith Crotwell was the victim.
Speaker 3: And even though the police literally caught him in the act,
Speaker 3: he had taken this boy and drove around with him.
Speaker 3: And then the next day they found his body in
Speaker 3: a jetty close to where he was last seen and
Speaker 3: he had been decapitated. He had a sock in the
Speaker 3: bee hole, he had all the markers that he was
Speaker 3: brought in for questioning, and the Los Angeles District Attorney's
Speaker 3: office said, nah, I don't think it's him, and let
Speaker 3: him go. And if they would have done their job,
Speaker 3: they would have prevented another like thirty to forty men
Speaker 3: and boys getting murdered.
Speaker 2: Was this bigleosi.
Speaker 3: So it didn't list the name. It just said. The
Speaker 3: Los Angeles District Attorney's office at the time the crime
Speaker 3: declined pressing charges against crafts, citing that the autopsy remains
Speaker 3: were inconclusive, even though this little boy had been seen
Speaker 3: in Randy Craft's car by several witnesses, and Randy Craft
Speaker 3: himself had said that, yes, he had been driving around
Speaker 3: with him all night, and even though he had a
Speaker 3: sock in the booty hole and was decapitated and all
Speaker 3: this shit, the Los Angeles District Attorney's office did not
Speaker 3: want to press charge against him.
Speaker 2: And this was nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 3: This was nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Vincent Bigley as he left in seventy two.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it must have been a different guy. Do
Speaker 3: you know who took excuse me, do you know who
Speaker 3: took over?
Speaker 2: I'm looking that up right now. I know Charles Manson's
Speaker 2: personal friend Ira Reiner did not get elected until nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four.
Speaker 3: So whoever this middleman was in between those two literally
Speaker 3: let Randy Craft walk even though he had clearly decapitated
Speaker 3: in booty whole socker. Yeah, another young man. Interesting and
Speaker 3: it's like he if they would have if they would
Speaker 3: have pressed charges against him because there was plenty of
Speaker 3: evidence they would have saved at least thirty more boys
Speaker 3: from dying, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I keep saying anything about Nathaniel uh bar Jonah,
Speaker 2: I'm like you know that that processing and judge who
Speaker 2: let ted Kennedy walk as a special prosecutor and chap
Speaker 2: a quick if he didn't let Nathaniel bar Jona out
Speaker 2: for Lord Nathaniel barr jon had told the judge I'm
Speaker 2: gonna he says, he says he's gonna kill, rape, murder
Speaker 2: and eat children. And the guy say, yeah, you're you know, well,
Speaker 2: you're joking, right, even though he'd already done that five
Speaker 2: times before or attempted to murder, and he'd he'd raped
Speaker 2: young boys and found and you know again found one
Speaker 2: nearly murder in his trunk. That's got him in the prison,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, he wasn't joking when he told
Speaker 2: the judge. Judges, yeah, you're joking, right. So had they
Speaker 2: not done that and had and then four weeks later,
Speaker 2: had they not give him probation when he reoffended you know,
Speaker 2: a ten year old Zachary Ramsey that was kidnapped and
Speaker 2: numerous eyewitnesses saw bar Jonah with him an unregistered and
Speaker 2: non sex offender who was not reporting to his probation officers,
Speaker 2: speaking of accountability, and numerous eye witnesses see him with
Speaker 2: him in nineteen ninety six, in December of ninety six
Speaker 2: and Great Falls, Montana, the town look my first assignment
Speaker 2: in the Air Force, in the town I lived in
Speaker 2: for three years. So I know, folks, I know all
Speaker 2: these stories from first hand accounts and whatnot, not just
Speaker 2: from reports on the interwebs and whatnot. And again I
Speaker 2: came face to face with Nathaniel bar Jona in two
Speaker 2: thousand and one. I saw pure eval and in two
Speaker 2: thousand he may have served me human meat burgers at
Speaker 2: the local party is where he worked. But I argue
Speaker 2: that had anyone done anything, Zachary Rams and the other
Speaker 2: children would not have been rape murdered in Eton by
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Barjona.
Speaker 3: Isn't that The saddest part is like how many victims
Speaker 3: could have been saved? But it was clearly an orchestrated
Speaker 3: attempt to get this guy back out on the street.
Speaker 2: I say the same thing, man, And they always claim
Speaker 2: matters of national security like a kino, like the finders
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth of matters we've never
Speaker 2: even heard of because they've deemed it matters of national security.
Speaker 3: Well, something else you might find interesting is that Government
Speaker 3: Cheese kept a scorecard book, which is why he became
Speaker 3: known as the score card Killer. But he detailed seventy
Speaker 3: victims on his scorecard that he murdered, raped, and put
Speaker 3: socks in their bee holes. And he also had photographs,
Speaker 3: not polaroids, photographs of all of his victims, and they
Speaker 3: couldn't find where he was getting his photographs developed. And
Speaker 3: at several of the crime scenes there were two sets
Speaker 3: of footprints in the sand or in the dirt nearby
Speaker 3: where the victim was found, alluding to the fact that
Speaker 3: he definitely had an accomplice. So, very much like sun
Speaker 3: O Sam, very much like Zodiac, Government Cheese most likely
Speaker 3: had an accomplice, somebody who was developing these photos for him,
Speaker 3: somebody who was helping him dispose of bodies, probably somebody
Speaker 3: helping him with the murders and rapes as well, because
Speaker 3: you know, he was said to push his victims out
Speaker 3: of a moving vehicle going over fifty miles an hour
Speaker 3: down the freeway.
Speaker 2: So that was that episode that was his move that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it doesn't seem likely because some of these
Speaker 3: guys were like to over two hundred pounds and he's
Speaker 3: gonna what open the door, push him out, close the door,
Speaker 3: all while driving all seeing him. You know, It's just like,
Speaker 3: what if he drugged him first? You well, they were
Speaker 3: they were dead by the time he pushed him out.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, it's possible. I don't know. I just they ought.
Speaker 2: These sick fantasies are intriguing. So bar Jonah would incapacitate
Speaker 2: his young child victims by he was a three hundred
Speaker 2: pound man. He would just start sitting and bouncing up
Speaker 2: and down on their chest.
Speaker 3: Mm.
Speaker 2: So everything you just described about the details of Randy Kraft,
Speaker 2: his mode of operations, and profile all applied to Nathaniel
Speaker 2: bar Jones activities in Great Falls, Montana from nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six to two thousand.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm finding that there are a lot of these
Speaker 3: guys that fit this exact mold, that are almost kind
Speaker 3: of like obscure in a way, because until I mentioned
Speaker 3: this guy to you, you had never heard about him.
Speaker 2: But until I mentioned Nya bar Jonah to you, had
Speaker 2: you heard of him?
Speaker 3: I had never heard of him.
Speaker 2: And these are and that's what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 2: both are now presenting two different examples. We both have
Speaker 2: done a lot. What I'm getting at Mame is we've
Speaker 2: both done a lot of studying the mind control of
Speaker 2: SaaS as the serial killers and all these sick bastards
Speaker 2: were describing here, And we both now have presented two
Speaker 2: examples from both ends where we hadn't heard of these folks, right,
Speaker 2: But we're all seeing the same patterns still regardless. So
Speaker 2: then it also caused me to wonder how many more
Speaker 2: of these folks have we not identified the same patterns
Speaker 2: of than our household names like the you know, the
Speaker 2: ones we've already identified, or you know, like the scorecard
Speaker 2: killer who I'm had never heard of, and you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him the Hardy's Cannibal, whom you had
Speaker 2: never heard of.
Speaker 3: Right, we have government cheese and Hardy's canna.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad, ye government Jess.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it. They're they're two pieas in.
Speaker 2: A pod, and like no, seriously, yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Have so much in common. And like with with government cheese,
Speaker 3: not only is he getting onto marine bases, he's getting
Speaker 3: onto like Al Toro Marine Air Air Base, he's getting onto.
Speaker 3: Like I could go on and on JJ there's literally
Speaker 3: he was just ripping and running through the Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: Nobody's nobody's no, nobody's noticing, Like these guys are just
Speaker 3: turning up dead with socks and their be holes and
Speaker 3: like nobody's put into and two together seventy dead bodies later.
Speaker 2: And didn't he dump some of them on some of
Speaker 2: these military installations. Yes, yeah, that causes the jurisdictional situation
Speaker 2: where now the military police are not in orient too.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so like this whole time, as I said before,
Speaker 3: he's working for this aerospace firm, and every single time
Speaker 3: he is sent out on business quote unquote, the it's
Speaker 3: to the Portland Seattle area, and when he goes on
Speaker 3: business quote unquote, five to ten more victims show up
Speaker 3: on the side of the road with socks and their
Speaker 3: bee holes and their penis and ball bag sliced off.
Speaker 3: And he literally raped, murdered, and dismembered young men and
Speaker 3: boys from California all the way to Portland, all the
Speaker 3: way to Seattle. And he did this, like I said,
Speaker 3: for for a decade and just nobody noticed that seems
Speaker 3: unlikely as fuck to me.
Speaker 2: But I mean, let me let me give you two
Speaker 2: follow up points here real quick. So in regards to
Speaker 2: not only a government cheese and his dad, well, Nathaniel
Speaker 2: bar Jones family lived. His father and mother lived in
Speaker 2: Great Falls, Montana, despite being from you know, the Boston
Speaker 2: suburbs and Massachusetts. There, they lived there because of the
Speaker 2: Air Force base. His father worked there. He was in
Speaker 2: the retired Air Force and in the aerospace industry, much
Speaker 2: like government cheese and his father. Right. So, and on
Speaker 2: top of that, when we talk about the military investigators
Speaker 2: and police down there ignoring all these things, that ncis
Speaker 2: Naval Criminal Investigative Service for those marine installations and and
Speaker 2: the marine MPs on the base both ignoring these things.
Speaker 2: When we look at this circumstances compared to other again
Speaker 2: establishing patterns. I have seen the Air Force Office of
Speaker 2: Special Investigations report on the murder, well, the quote unquote
Speaker 2: suicide of John Carr to state that I know it exists,
Speaker 2: and I know they forwent any jurisdiction on the matter
Speaker 2: and allowed the local sheriff's department to investigate it despite
Speaker 2: being on proprietary jurisdiction. On the Air Force base.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: So they wrote a report on it. But then they
Speaker 2: look the other way.
Speaker 3: Of course, they all that that's what they do, that's
Speaker 3: like their modus operandi, that's how they work.
Speaker 2: And since I told that story about the Air Air Force,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to because that's a very the
Speaker 2: whole son of sand community. That's a wild bunch. But
Speaker 2: I don't have a copy of the report. I went
Speaker 2: to grad school in Washington, d C. When I was
Speaker 2: a station there, and I went to grad school with
Speaker 2: an Air Force office with Seal Special Investigations. They're they're
Speaker 2: one of their chief and listed people at their headquarters
Speaker 2: there in DC. He was my classmate for eighteen months
Speaker 2: and he always wanted to be my friend. So he's
Speaker 2: always bring me in different reports. You know every week
Speaker 2: when we we we would come in for a weekly class,
Speaker 2: right you know, to get you know, like three at
Speaker 2: four hours every Thursday. It was a fucking hell of
Speaker 2: a schedule. Four hours ever, like every Thursday night, so
Speaker 2: from like six pm to ten pm. You know, it
Speaker 2: was shitty. But nonetheless, uh, he would bring me in
Speaker 2: all these different reports over those aten. You know, after
Speaker 2: about six months when I meet to tell me to
Speaker 2: go fuck off, because the guy was a tool, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was I had I don't know anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: he wanted to be my He's always bring me a report.
Speaker 2: So at one point in time, and I wasn't into
Speaker 2: any of the son of Sam, I wasn't into any
Speaker 2: of the shit. This is two thousand and eleven, right
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, late twenty eleven to twenty twelve, that time period,
Speaker 2: you know. But one time he did bring me that report,
Speaker 2: and you know, and I didn't even un grasp a
Speaker 2: lot of the details, and I remember a lot of
Speaker 2: the details. But what I said to him was why
Speaker 2: the fuck did they give up jurisdiction on this case?
Speaker 2: And he just shrugged his shoulders. That was because again,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense to me right looking the other
Speaker 2: way in a matter like that. They have proprietary jurisdiction,
Speaker 2: meaning they can tell anyone else to go fuck off.
Speaker 2: They don't share jurisdiction with anybody that's on an Air Force,
Speaker 2: federal installation and federal property.
Speaker 3: I mean JJ. The thing to me too, is like
Speaker 3: they came up with this theory that government cheese was
Speaker 3: putting the socks in the bee hole because he had
Speaker 3: military background and he was doing that to prevent the
Speaker 3: body from purging before he could get dumped at the
Speaker 3: dump site, and that was something that they would teach
Speaker 3: people in the military. They also found that most of
Speaker 3: the victims had tissue papers shoved down their throats and
Speaker 3: in their nostrils. But again, when would he have learned
Speaker 3: this when he only served for thirteen months and all
Speaker 3: he did was paint test planes? Like when does that
Speaker 3: come up in the in the painting class, like fucking
Speaker 3: putting socks and be holes and putting tissue paper down
Speaker 3: the throat and doing all that, Like when would that
Speaker 3: have come up? When would that have been a necessary
Speaker 3: skill to learn to paint a plane? Like am I retarded?
Speaker 2: Or like no, I'm glad you picked up on that,
Speaker 2: because obviously he was trained in which to do that
Speaker 2: to avoid evidence being disseminated at locations when you're drunk
Speaker 2: transporting a dead body to a dump site. So Edward
Speaker 2: and Edwards didn't do the same stock buttole routine, but
Speaker 2: he was trained in similar activities. He has framed so
Speaker 2: many people from murder over the years. Every murder that
Speaker 2: ed committed, he would frame somebody for it, every one.
Speaker 2: We do so by planting evidence everyone, and he's documented
Speaker 2: in it. He's he's documented in in uh in Narket
Speaker 2: murdering folks and then informing to the police and the
Speaker 2: FBI on folks that he murdered, and then testifying against
Speaker 2: the folks that he set up on more than one occasion.
Speaker 2: Mother someone trained him out to do these things, plant
Speaker 2: the evidence. And really what he's doing is the same
Speaker 2: thing Mark Furman did in the OJ case, blowing up
Speaker 2: the case from every ankle on both sides, because what
Speaker 2: Ed's doing is causing such chaos and discord amongst so
Speaker 2: law enforcement. In large part, I think they're dumb. I
Speaker 2: think some of them are co opted. I think some
Speaker 2: of them are cult members. But in large part what
Speaker 2: most of them are just ignorant and or you know,
Speaker 2: buying into the magic. Shows that he will, so that
Speaker 2: you know, when when you go into a scene that
Speaker 2: there's evidence planted and there's no other conclusion to reach,
Speaker 2: they reached the only seemingly reasonable conclusion they can. Right,
Speaker 2: And I'll use a case you you know for what
Speaker 2: damn well very well, and that is the John Bene
Speaker 2: Ramsey case, Right, So that's a case where everyone they
Speaker 2: look at the evidence, and again some of the people
Speaker 2: in Boulder co opted, some of them are cult members,
Speaker 2: and some of them are just dumb. But what I'm
Speaker 2: saying here is, uh, you look at that case and
Speaker 2: the only reasonable conclusion by a reasonable officer what in
Speaker 2: law enforcement they call it objectible objective reasonableness. And I
Speaker 2: think God understood that very well. And I think someone
Speaker 2: trained him because uh, and I'll get to d how
Speaker 2: he might relate to these matters in a moment, according
Speaker 2: to Detective John Cameron's study of the matter. Detective John Cameron's,
Speaker 2: by the way, is the man who brought Nathaniel Barr
Speaker 2: jonat is justice. By the way, the guy that studied
Speaker 2: Ed Edwards. So he the guy's legitimate homicide detective. He
Speaker 2: makes you know, I don't subscribe to all of his
Speaker 2: theories on Ed. But what I think he's describing about
Speaker 2: Ed that he doesn't quite grasp is that Ed was
Speaker 2: the general in that handed death cult that Henry ly
Speaker 2: Lucas describes.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, all right, I'm tracking with you.
Speaker 2: So what what John Cameron's identified is a mode of
Speaker 2: operations with in that death cult of assassins that I
Speaker 2: think Ed was the leader of. And that way, when
Speaker 2: you look at all of what John Camer's put together
Speaker 2: on Ed, he's attributing so many crimes and well Ed
Speaker 2: is very prolific. I agree, he didn't do all those
Speaker 2: what John Camer's identified as a pattern of behavior in
Speaker 2: a mode of operations that Ed was in charge of.
Speaker 2: So in that regard, whether or not ED was directly
Speaker 2: involved with John, but or not, I don't know. But
Speaker 2: what you find is evidence in the John Beney case,
Speaker 2: despite all of the objective actions of you know, the
Speaker 2: objective evidence that can be extrapolated from the scene, the
Speaker 2: only conclusion you could reach is how did this dead
Speaker 2: girl get into the basement of his home with a
Speaker 2: ransom letter next to her? And the parents knew nothing
Speaker 2: about it? So they were going to say, well, the
Speaker 2: parents did it, and that's been in dispute ever since.
Speaker 2: Mind you, that's not what the details say, is it. Though,
Speaker 2: that's not what the forensic details say, is it.
Speaker 3: No? Actually, I've spoken in great detail about the forensic
Speaker 3: evidence and it tells the completely different story.
Speaker 2: So they have just a real quick run down and
Speaker 2: I'll bring this Ed connection to a quick John Camer's
Speaker 2: three on ed here and no quick resolution. So the
Speaker 2: forensic evidence was support of the twine was not sourced
Speaker 2: from the home. The duct tape on her mouth was
Speaker 2: not sourced from the home. There was a stun gun
Speaker 2: mark on her neck, no stun gun on the home.
Speaker 2: And also there was DNA found on her underwear and
Speaker 2: her leggings, which they initially tried and blood, you're right,
Speaker 2: And they were trying to describe that as saying somebody
Speaker 2: in the manufacturing process left this DNA on there, and
Speaker 2: then they decided to compare it to the DNA on
Speaker 2: the leggings and say these leggings and the under were
Speaker 2: manufactured in different locations. There's no way that's possible. So
Speaker 2: that being said, somebody seems to plant in blood and
Speaker 2: DNA on that young girl. And I don't think it
Speaker 2: was the purpose and the DNA that in my opinion
Speaker 2: and the opinion of John Cameron, I think he makes
Speaker 2: a good point. The evidence that that would lead to
Speaker 2: would not be ed and Edwards. Despite he may have
Speaker 2: in fact been that secret Santa Claus that John Benny
Speaker 2: was talking about that she was going to see on
Speaker 2: Christmas night right.
Speaker 3: Well, I did find that Dave McGowan did a great
Speaker 3: job kind of seeing what you're saying in Program to
Speaker 3: Kill about John Benney there. I believe that there was
Speaker 3: a lot of eyes wide shuttering going on around John Benet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and and and uh I agree with you. Know,
Speaker 2: they've released four pages of the eighteen page grand jury investigation.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know about ten years ago, and it
Speaker 2: says right there in the grand jury that the Ramsays
Speaker 2: were not guilty of murder. They were guilty of obstruction
Speaker 2: of justice and covering up the scene and their daughter's
Speaker 2: death and introducing her and negligence, introducing her to an
Speaker 2: environment which she could she would then face these sorts.
Speaker 3: That's why, that's that's where the ice wide shuttering comes in,
Speaker 3: because I think they helped whatever they helped, I think.
Speaker 2: They helped to cover up. I think they called in
Speaker 2: the heavy hitters if you willed to do the job.
Speaker 2: So John Beney told everybody for two days prior to
Speaker 2: a murder that this Sam was coming to visit her,
Speaker 2: three days prior to murder that Sam was coming to visit. Well,
Speaker 2: from the twenty third to twenty fourth and all of
Speaker 2: the twenty fifth. Night of the twenty third through the
Speaker 2: night of the twenty fifth, she tells her mother and
Speaker 2: numerous people that Satn is gonna come visitor on Christmas Night,
Speaker 2: not Christmas Eve, right, So that that begins on the
Speaker 2: twenty third during a Christmas party. It happens after the
Speaker 2: Christmas party at the Ramsey House in the twenty third,
Speaker 2: the same Christmas party, someone calls nine to one one.
Speaker 3: Right, I was gonna say, nobody knows about that.
Speaker 2: So John Cameron presents interesting theory that would have been Ed,
Speaker 2: who would have infiltrated to the family through the church
Speaker 2: or this cult, these eyes wide shut things which probably
Speaker 2: actually operated through that evangelical church. In my opinion, it's
Speaker 2: a different story altogether. But Ed would have been and
Speaker 2: this is how we integrate himself many times faking to
Speaker 2: be a psychiatrist, a law enforcement officer, or a church member. Right,
Speaker 2: So he would do all these things, integrate himself into
Speaker 2: folks life, to frame folks from murder and et cetera,
Speaker 2: and accomplish these tasks. So Cameron presents that he was
Speaker 2: the one of that Christmas party the call nine one.
Speaker 2: The test response of Boulder PD and then he was
Speaker 2: the fat guy with the white beard, told John Benet
Speaker 2: that he was Santa claus a comeback to see here
Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth. And then in fact, the evidence
Speaker 2: planted in that DNA and blood was not gonna be
Speaker 2: eds and EDZMO. That would have been a different person
Speaker 2: would have connected to a different murder. So he murdered
Speaker 2: a guy in Ohio and just a few months prior,
Speaker 2: and it's very likely that's the one he admitted to
Speaker 2: and got the death penalty. Four in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: the murder of a man that he adopted forced to
Speaker 2: go into the army, and he adopted a nineteen year
Speaker 2: old man, convinced them to go in the army, convinced
Speaker 2: them to go a walt murdered him for the two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars insurance policy, hid his body
Speaker 2: until after John Benet's murder. And it seems like what
Speaker 2: he was trying to do in the FBI and game.
Speaker 2: This maybe why we've never heard about the DNA evidence
Speaker 2: in that case, because the DNA evidence led to Danny
Speaker 2: Boy Edwards, and then that opens up the can of
Speaker 2: worms on ed Day, that's John Cameron's theory, and I
Speaker 2: think he makes a strong argument because they've never wanted
Speaker 2: to mention the actual evidence of that DNA, and I suspect,
Speaker 2: like John Cameron says that dead evidence would have been
Speaker 2: Danny Boy Edward's blood in DNA, and ed would have
Speaker 2: the dead adopted son he just killed and made it
Speaker 2: go a ball for the insurance check and the one
Speaker 2: he would later get the Tath penalty for. So we know,
Speaker 2: I mean, we know all the details of that murdering.
Speaker 2: Folks can go on YouTube and watch Old Ed in
Speaker 2: prison describe the details of how he planned, plotted, and
Speaker 2: did all these things. He moved to a town in
Speaker 2: Ohio and did this from day one, plotting out this
Speaker 2: whole situation for two years. This is how diabolical he was.
Speaker 2: He would rent, he would charter air private aircrafts. We
Speaker 2: fly all around America. This dude never stopped murdering. But
Speaker 2: I think he never stopped organizing murdering through this hand
Speaker 2: of death cult network that I think he was the
Speaker 2: general of WOA. Yeah, and you know how there was
Speaker 2: always a question with a ransom note in the Ramsey case,
Speaker 2: how do they know John Ramsey's exact bonus and that
Speaker 2: ransom note, And why would you leave a ransom note
Speaker 2: for a kidnapping next to a dead body? Right? Because
Speaker 2: again this confuses everybody, Right, this is ads and no
Speaker 2: one's gonna have any idea what's going on when you
Speaker 2: put a dead body in a base with a ransom note, Right,
Speaker 2: that's going to confuse everything. You're exactly, You're only going
Speaker 2: to look at the parents because that's the only logical
Speaker 2: conclusion any objectively reasonable party could make, despite yet what
Speaker 2: the evidence says, right, because then how else would anyone
Speaker 2: get in the house. There's so many other questions. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying here is these were all Ed diabolically planned.
Speaker 2: All of his merged for a long period time. But
Speaker 2: the knowledge of that that bonus, well Ed's sun worked
Speaker 2: for the Denver office of Lockheed Martin, the same Lockheed
Speaker 2: Martin that purchased John Ramsey's business in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Accesis gretics. Wow, So Ed could have worked through and
Speaker 2: I'm saying his son was complacent. I'm saying Ed could
Speaker 2: have worked the same way Ed worked in life through
Speaker 2: his son to get that information.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 3: Total new uh theory. I guess if you will for me,
Speaker 3: because I obviously have covered John Bennet at nauseum and
Speaker 3: I never could like put a name to the person
Speaker 3: who was probably responsible for it. But I always said
Speaker 3: it had to be some eyes wide shuddering going on
Speaker 3: for sure, and the parents were complacent in the.
Speaker 2: Cover up for sure. Well, I don't wanna get too
Speaker 2: far off craft, but let's just do a quick comparison.
Speaker 2: So Manson too, Bill Mentzer cocaine, Bob's buddy from the
Speaker 2: Roy Raiden murder who got indicted with the head of
Speaker 2: the Median cartel in America, Karen Greenberger. No one talks
Speaker 2: about that. You know, they were all indicted together. Bob
Speaker 2: was on a dotted co conspirator. He pled the fifth
Speaker 2: thanks to Robert Shapiro, OJ's attorney. Anyhow, if you look
Speaker 2: at that whole situation regarding you know. However, how how
Speaker 2: Bill Metzer's story breaks down. According to burk Witz, He's
Speaker 2: brought in as the heavy hitter Manson two, an ultimate evil,
Speaker 2: to take care of the snuff film and Stacey Moskowitz,
Speaker 2: I argue, ads serve the same purpose coming in for
Speaker 2: the Zodiac and that snuff film. So we look at
Speaker 2: how these heavy hitters kind of operating under this hand
Speaker 2: of death style kind of operation that I was in
Speaker 2: charge of. You know, when we start seeing this pattern operations,
Speaker 2: these eyes wide shut party, these are these cult cells
Speaker 2: in different cities calling the heavy hitters when they want
Speaker 2: to get something done. And Ed was never according to
Speaker 2: Ed's chiltern, he was never home on Christmas throughout his
Speaker 2: entire life. Right, And when did John Bene die on Christmas?
Speaker 2: So Ed was known for the Christmas which.
Speaker 3: Side, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Day.
Speaker 2: So you weren't ice white shut sell of these colts, right,
Speaker 2: If you were an ice white shut sell of these
Speaker 2: colts and you wanted to call on your Christmas heavy hitter,
Speaker 2: that is Ed. And Ed's got his whole situations seemingly
Speaker 2: all over the business.
Speaker 3: So I guess now I have a name then, for
Speaker 3: this anomalous person that I keep referring to in all
Speaker 3: my John Benay episodes. I knew it had to be someone,
Speaker 3: and it obviously the parents were complicit in the cover up,
Speaker 3: but I, until this moment, didn't have that name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me share with you in the Cosmic
Speaker 2: Peach audience a little bit more on Edward. When Edwards
Speaker 2: where they can check out some more stuff on Operation
Speaker 2: GCD for further But when I say he knew Charles
Speaker 2: Manson in fifty two, when I say that he operated
Speaker 2: in a very similar project Chaos CIA situation by AD's
Speaker 2: oone admission, he gets the identity of James Garfield Langley
Speaker 2: in November of nineteen fifty five in Key West, Florida.
Speaker 2: So I said, well, what's going on in November of
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five in key West, Florida. Well, it just
Speaker 2: so happens the CIA is plotting the overthrow of the
Speaker 2: Batista regime, and there's photographs literally with Fidel Castro there
Speaker 2: at the same time in Key West with the CIA
Speaker 2: in November of nineteen fifty five. So and again ed
Speaker 2: gets that fake, that same James Garfield ID after he
Speaker 2: goes to prison in Deer Lodge, Montana and then later
Speaker 2: gets picked up under that ID. And he also gets
Speaker 2: married under that ID in nineteen fifty five. And I
Speaker 2: have two different births or two different marriage licenses here
Speaker 2: for that activity. So that's is Edward Wayne Edwards one.
Speaker 2: And that's a recent discovery. Beyind me and John Cameron
Speaker 2: printed this in his book. So I don't think what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, you know, ten years ago when John
Speaker 2: Cameron did his study, he didn't have access to some
Speaker 2: shit that got released recently. So but we can prove
Speaker 2: here that once again John, that Edwarwin Edwards is getting
Speaker 2: this fake, seemingly CIA cover name and credentials time after
Speaker 2: time getting picked up and released, excaping places folks looking
Speaker 2: the other way. So what I'm saying, you know, it
Speaker 2: seems like we're looking at a circumstance here regarding characters
Speaker 2: such as Charles Manson and every remembers in this whole
Speaker 2: kind of handed death thing that seems very much orchestrated
Speaker 2: by some matters of national security. If you will m hm.
Speaker 3: Well, I actually don't have too much more to add
Speaker 3: about Government Cheese. I did want to tell.
Speaker 2: You how he got I keep forgetting his name's Government Cheese.
Speaker 2: I love that name too. I want to tell you.
Speaker 3: How he got caught. And I actually want to go
Speaker 3: over some other killers that I came across that were
Speaker 3: functioning during this same time that I think you might
Speaker 3: find interesting, that are in connection maybe with Randy Well.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna find them interesting because I think they
Speaker 2: probably all work for ED.
Speaker 3: Right, That's why I that's what made me think of it,
Speaker 3: think that this is part of that government. Cheese himself
Speaker 3: could have been part of this cult, but he didn't
Speaker 3: get caught.
Speaker 2: I don't see how he's not looking at his profile.
Speaker 2: I don't see how he's he fished the same he's
Speaker 2: socking the butthole and everything. Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm saying. What I mean by that is what I
Speaker 2: mean by that is he's not leaving evidence anymore. I
Speaker 2: think he's the first guy I've heard of the sock
Speaker 2: and the butthole routine. But what I'm saying is he's
Speaker 2: not leaving any evidence. He's someone trained him to do that.
Speaker 3: Somebody had to have And it's like you said, they
Speaker 3: almost get shocked when they're caught because they've been doing
Speaker 3: it so long. So he started in what was it
Speaker 3: what I say, in the sixties, right, he started in Okay,
Speaker 3: he started in nineteen seventy two, and he wasn't caught
Speaker 3: until nineteen eighty three. And the only reason he was
Speaker 3: caught is because he was observed swerving in his vehicle
Speaker 3: down a freeway and he was pulled over and he
Speaker 3: was made to do a sobriety test, and he filled
Speaker 3: a sobriety test, and the officer went to search his
Speaker 3: vehicle and noticed that there was a man who he
Speaker 3: thought was passed out in the passenger seat with a
Speaker 3: jacket covering his lap. And as he removed the jacket
Speaker 3: from the man's lap, he noticed that his penis was
Speaker 3: halfway cut off and he was dead as luck. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so sounds.
Speaker 2: Like Bundy, right, sounds like Bundy with his getting pulled
Speaker 2: over with the seat out of his Volkswagen. Like, no,
Speaker 2: it's this guy's callly murdered people, right.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, JJ, he was not arrested for
Speaker 3: having a dead man with his penis halfway cut off
Speaker 3: in his passenger seat.
Speaker 2: He was a rost time dat house, right, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say he was only arrested for
Speaker 3: driving under the influence. They did not even though he
Speaker 3: had a dead fucking body with his penis halfway cut
Speaker 3: off in the passenger seat of his car. He was
Speaker 3: only charged with driving under the influence. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: until later when they found all the dead guy photos
Speaker 3: and the blood and all this other stuff in his
Speaker 3: car that he was. Eventually charges were eventually pressed against
Speaker 3: him and he got the death penalty. But the scorecard
Speaker 3: that they found had at least seventy murder victims on it,
Speaker 3: but they could only charge him with sixteen based on
Speaker 3: the evidence, So he didn't even go down for all
Speaker 3: of the victims, and there was potentially even more.
Speaker 2: What was the evidence. It seemed kind of murky A
Speaker 2: lot of the evidence, like many of these right, they
Speaker 2: were attributing victims with limited evidence. And you see all
Speaker 2: the other guys that are killing in and around him
Speaker 2: at the same time when he start plotting out all
Speaker 2: these murders, so many dudes doing the similar activities he's
Speaker 2: doing at the same time in the same place as
Speaker 2: in the seventies. And there's no evidence. Again, a lot
Speaker 2: of these victims that are attributing, so I don't know
Speaker 2: how they attributed to whom.
Speaker 3: So the way that they were able to get at
Speaker 3: least sixteen of the seventy was from his scorecard, where
Speaker 3: he would have where he wrote the victim's name, and
Speaker 3: then he had photographs of their dead body and the
Speaker 3: uh signature of the sock in the bee hole was
Speaker 3: kind of how they were able to get and also
Speaker 3: steman samples.
Speaker 2: That's fair, but well, I guess I was referring to
Speaker 2: the outlying other ones, right, Like how do they even say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: he almost did seventy because he got Patrick Kearny out there,
Speaker 2: same time, same place, doing the same I don't know,
Speaker 2: the sock and the bee holes, but similar victims.
Speaker 3: Well, actually it was said that they had a hard
Speaker 3: time catching Randy Kraft government cheese because of Patrick Kearney.
Speaker 2: And this guy, right, William Boonen.
Speaker 3: Right, William Bonnen is out there raping and running through
Speaker 3: boys as well.
Speaker 2: But you know what, the same time, what's going on here?
Speaker 3: They're all but but but they're all ripping and running
Speaker 3: through young men and boys at the same time in California,
Speaker 3: and they all have similar backgrounds. Like Patrick Kearney, for example,
Speaker 3: was ripping and running through dude's beholes, and he was
Speaker 3: dismembering and necrofiling his victims. He also was in the
Speaker 3: Air Force. He was in the Air Force and Patrick
Speaker 3: Kearney became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald while he was
Speaker 3: in the Air Force, and he said that he worked
Speaker 3: on top secret military language operations with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 3: While he was in the Air Force, and then he
Speaker 3: later became one of the most prolific serial killers to
Speaker 3: ever live. Does that make sense to JJ?
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? He knew Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 3: He knew Lee Patrick Kearney who ripped and ran through.
Speaker 2: Lees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see it, says Patrick Kearney murdered and dismembered, disemboweled,
Speaker 3: and cut his victims' hearts and lungs out, murdered at
Speaker 3: least twenty eight young boys in southern California between nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy one and nineteen seventy seven. Was in the United
Speaker 3: States Air Force and befriended Lee Harvey oswaldt and worked
Speaker 3: with him in top secret military language operations, and took
Speaker 3: a trip with him to Mexico City for unknown reasons.
Speaker 2: Well, hear me out, I did not know that, mane.
Speaker 2: I appreciate bringing that to my attention. Here's what I want.
Speaker 2: That's that's some that's a that's a well, that's a
Speaker 2: lot of details there, ma'am. So that would be my
Speaker 2: as you see, my my brain is currently being blown
Speaker 2: here because that's a major factor. I keep drawing a lot.
Speaker 2: So I've been drawing a lot of these circles around
Speaker 2: a lot of these characters, and a lot of things
Speaker 2: go back to as I point out from Trickye Di
Speaker 2: saying and the Watergate tapes, the Bay of Pigs, the
Speaker 2: Bay of Pigs thing. So that's fucking interesting. But if
Speaker 2: I may point out, and my may, I'll definitely be
Speaker 2: getting back to on that note as well in the
Speaker 2: future when I look into that subject more. But this
Speaker 2: got you know their connections there. But if I made
Speaker 2: one thing I saw between him and Craft and it
Speaker 2: to me, it also relates in my opinion, to the
Speaker 2: incidents and activities around the death of John beIN a Ramsey,
Speaker 2: and it goes back to that Thuggie cult you and
Speaker 2: I've discussed before relative to the Four Pie movement, and
Speaker 2: they're alleged the four Pie off shoot in the process,
Speaker 2: and they're alleged uh ritual venerations or incorporations of philosophies, theology,
Speaker 2: theologies and rituals of the Thuggie cult, Cali worshiping, shing
Speaker 2: Gan Buddhists right, Shinghan Buddhists. It seems to be the
Speaker 2: elements of that four Pie movement who did as tex
Speaker 2: style murders, eating hearts and shit. So we see that
Speaker 2: going on here, but with the thuggy aspects. We see
Speaker 2: this garrot, this tie, this torture and device with the
Speaker 2: ropes and stuff. The same thing we see these guys
Speaker 2: do with Kearney, the same thing we see Craft do
Speaker 2: Government Cheese, and the same thing we see John Benet
Speaker 2: with that twine was victim.
Speaker 3: Too, and William Bonnen the other murder. If you click
Speaker 3: on him, you'll find that William Bonnen also used a garrott,
Speaker 3: also is raping and running through little boys buttholes, and
Speaker 3: Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese and William Bonnen were all called
Speaker 3: the Freeway Strangler. All three of them were called the
Speaker 3: Freeway Strangler. So they're all doing it together, right, But
Speaker 3: it's it's just like Son of Sam and Zodiac. It's
Speaker 3: like it's not one fucking guy. The freeway Killer is
Speaker 3: William Bonnen and Patrick Kearney and and Government Cheese. They
Speaker 3: were all running through little boys be holes.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with the Government Cheese has been ripping
Speaker 2: and running some buttholes long before Randy Kraft. But I
Speaker 2: do like the nickname, you know, literally, you know, Government
Speaker 2: Cheese being not good for your butthole, you knowunning literal
Speaker 2: government cheese.
Speaker 3: There was something else I wanted to mention to you
Speaker 3: about Patrick Kearney though, to see if if you find
Speaker 3: this absolutely crazy. So the way that he's you know,
Speaker 3: necrofiling his victims and doing this weird stuff. It's very ritualistic.
Speaker 3: And he's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald worked with him
Speaker 3: in military language school and military language operations. And he
Speaker 3: gets an honorable discharge from the military, moves to Long Beach, California,
Speaker 3: and he purchases a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he uses
Speaker 3: to pick up his victims in, just like Ted Bundy.
Speaker 2: And just like the son of Sam.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he had a yellow Volkswagon.
Speaker 2: No but one of the members of the colt did
Speaker 2: it was it was seen at numerous of the of
Speaker 2: the crimes as the getaway vehicle.
Speaker 3: Well think about that, JJ.
Speaker 2: Repeating patterns, ma'am, smaller circles, Drone smaller circles.
Speaker 3: So kind of to sum up, I did want to
Speaker 3: just mention some other serial killers that were in and
Speaker 3: around this area in California. Obviously, we have the Zodiac
Speaker 3: assumed military background, the Manson family military background. But then
Speaker 3: there's Joseph James DeAngelo, also known as the Golden State
Speaker 3: Killer or the East Area Rapist.
Speaker 2: And he didn't mean interject, but there's no way that's
Speaker 2: it's the same pattern, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, what do you think about Lonnie Day David Franklin Junior,
Speaker 3: also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was active in
Speaker 3: South Los Angeles? Oh? Yeah, did you cut out? Sorry?
Speaker 3: Where was I at when.
Speaker 2: You cut out? I don't know. I was having connectivity issues,
Speaker 2: you said, James Joseph d Agel, And I was just
Speaker 2: pointing out that's another pattern. That's definitely a team.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely. The next one I said was Lonnie David
Speaker 3: Franklin Junior, also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was
Speaker 3: active in South Los Angeles in nineteen eighty five, also
Speaker 3: military background. Have you heard of him?
Speaker 2: No? But I mean we're talking Charles Manson's friend being
Speaker 2: the personal friend be and at one point in time
Speaker 2: a defense attorney for Leslie Crenwinkle during the trials in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy the Manson family trials, Ira Reyner. He got
Speaker 2: elected District Attorney of Los Angeles from eighty four to
Speaker 2: ninety two and he prosecuted the night stalker McMartin, Bob.
Speaker 2: You let Bob Evans walk on the murder Roy raiding,
Speaker 2: but prosecuted the number one member of the Colombian drug cartel,
Speaker 2: of the Median cartel that is an America, Karen Greenberger.
Speaker 2: And he prosecuted Manson too, Bill Menzer, you don't think
Speaker 2: they knew each other? If he's personal friends with Charles
Speaker 2: Manson in nineteen sixty nine nineteen seven, you don't think
Speaker 2: he knew Menser too, who was a bodyguard and boyfriend
Speaker 2: allegedly of Mama Casts. And they're all members of the process, right,
Speaker 2: you don't think these people know each other. They definitely
Speaker 2: know each other. So who's this guy? Because Ira Reyner
Speaker 2: didn't do he did a lot of weird things.
Speaker 3: As this attorney, he went by the grim Sleeper. His
Speaker 3: name is Lonnie David Franklin Junior. He had a military
Speaker 3: background and he was raping and running through women in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: And he's a black fellaw huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well the next one on my list was Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 2: If I may real quick, if I may real quick
Speaker 2: on this fella. So there's Toddy Lintini and his tapes
Speaker 2: his inner few tapes have been stolen from the Sun
Speaker 2: of Sam archives of ed Sanators of Princeton University. I'm
Speaker 2: sort of the archives of ed sanators at Princeton University.
Speaker 2: Someone stole our the four hours I believe it was
Speaker 2: of audio interviews with Tony Lentini. He was a one
Speaker 2: percent biker leader who was allegedly a present for the
Speaker 2: murder and ritual murder of Eton pats there in Westchester County,
Speaker 2: New York. And he was allegedly deep into this process movement, right,
Speaker 2: so he tells the stories of there was a joint
Speaker 2: efforts within the black motorcycle outlaw motorcycle gangs that were
Speaker 2: also members of the cult to do the same Son
Speaker 2: of Sam style shootings in New York City, and allegedly
Speaker 2: there was these things that just never got reported on
Speaker 2: within the black communities there with somebody doing the same activities. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: and somebody, I would argue, part of this ongoing process
Speaker 2: church cover upper movement, these ongoing enterprises. They still I've
Speaker 2: been to Princeton and I've talked to the librarian. They
Speaker 2: someone stole those tapes.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, Well this motherfucker is dead. So we'll never
Speaker 3: hit I mean, we'll never know from him.
Speaker 2: So he gets busted in what year? He's always from
Speaker 2: stute Guard. Huh. That's interesting because it wasn't was it
Speaker 2: Dahmer or one of those other dudes was over there
Speaker 2: in stute Gart in the seventies?
Speaker 3: Dahmer? Yeah, yep, Dahmer.
Speaker 2: So he gets he gets busted in what nineteen? Holy shit,
Speaker 2: they got a number of names listed for multiple Yeah,
Speaker 2: when does he get busted nineteen? It looks like nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven.
Speaker 3: I thought it was nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, let's say by January eighty sixth fifteen murders
Speaker 2: had been linked to the case, more detectives added to
Speaker 2: the joint LAPD Sheriff's Department Task Force. Huh for the
Speaker 2: South Side slayer. But by eighty six the case was
Speaker 2: still an investigation. Blah blah blah. By late eighty six,
Speaker 2: conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions. Oh there you go, speaking
Speaker 2: of teams, right, conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions, Right, so
Speaker 2: it's probably multiple assailants. Well yeah, look at least one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five black dudes on this team. Like I just said,
Speaker 2: about the Son of Sam situation. They had a similar
Speaker 2: team of situations going on in the black community, according
Speaker 2: to Tiny Lentini, who was in the cult and part
Speaker 2: you know, high up apparently, and again he got into
Speaker 2: the cult by being the security, much like we see
Speaker 2: with folks like Victor Thorne out there in the Manson
Speaker 2: family situation, a man who's still alive today and very
Speaker 2: rich and powerful, and he was the head of I
Speaker 2: always want to call it Satan slaves as Gypsy Jokers.
Speaker 2: He was the head of the Gypsy Jokers, a similar
Speaker 2: character to Tiny Lentini, right, very similar character, and Tiny
Speaker 2: Linini would later do multiple stents of prison for raping
Speaker 2: his own children and child pornography. But he's dead now,
Speaker 2: So nonetheless, Victor Thorne is still alive. Not he's still
Speaker 2: involved in hood ratshit activities of outlaw biker gangs and
Speaker 2: these Satanist could activities. I couldn't tell you, But what
Speaker 2: I can tell you is it seems to be repeating
Speaker 2: patters we see amongst these outlaw biker crowds. So when
Speaker 2: I take Mantini's statements as despite his background as being
Speaker 2: rooted in at least largely fact right, So you know,
Speaker 2: when these tapes are gone, and we don't we don't
Speaker 2: have anything to look at anymore, you know, I wonder,
Speaker 2: but we do see these same repeating patters from coast
Speaker 2: to coast, this black community element, right, the African American
Speaker 2: communities that get terrorized the same way through elements within
Speaker 2: their community, just like the Son of Sam does with
Speaker 2: elements within their community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was gonna say, with with government cheap.
Speaker 3: I think the Freeway Strangler was Randy Kraft, William Bonnen,
Speaker 3: and Patrick Kearney were all the Freeway Strangler, just like
Speaker 3: the Hillside Strangler was multiple people.
Speaker 2: Yep. And they're all multiple people's. We're living under a
Speaker 2: false pretense to assume otherwise the exception to the rule
Speaker 2: might be an individual, but the rule, their team, an
Speaker 2: organized team and effort. And it's the FBI and John
Speaker 2: Douglas who sold us this false narrative of the loan
Speaker 2: only gonna kill blonds, and only gonna do him at
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock midnight, and only gonna do them with seven
Speaker 2: strikes to the chest. And you know, very specific patterns
Speaker 2: and all that's bullshit. All that's well, there are similar
Speaker 2: patterns of behavior in meads of operations. They're not as
Speaker 2: strict as that John Douglas wants to convince folks of.
Speaker 2: And the idea of these perpetration of these ideas is
Speaker 2: the same thing we see later in the Landing report,
Speaker 2: where there are no Satanists murdering people anywhere. Pay no
Speaker 2: attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears have deceived you,
Speaker 2: as Michael Lokino will tell you, mister satanic murdering himself
Speaker 2: as I would allege.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, so that guy that I mentioned
Speaker 3: earlier is being part of the Government Cheese crew. He
Speaker 3: was Air Force too, just like Randy Kraft and Patrick Kearney.
Speaker 3: William Bonnen served in the Air Force and is suspected
Speaker 3: of twenty any one plus murders of little boys who
Speaker 3: he raped and tortured, just like Patrick Kerney, and just
Speaker 3: like Government Cheese, and all three of them came from
Speaker 3: the Air Force.
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me this, This this fellow with
Speaker 2: the pedophile stash and the weird haircut, you know, looking
Speaker 2: like he's got that five head going to what do
Speaker 2: you mean by the weird haircut? You can see his
Speaker 2: file five head is very prominent. You mean to tell
Speaker 2: me this fellow riche murder should No, I wouldn't never
Speaker 2: believe it. You can look at the guy, you know,
Speaker 2: he's got he's got the Petter You see what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. It's got that Petter ridged five head brow thing.
Speaker 2: He's got the Petter mustache. Right. I mean, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: obviously I'm obviously paying things some broad strokes here, but
Speaker 2: there is a certain physiotomy that seems to repeat, amongst
Speaker 2: patterns with these folks.
Speaker 3: Well, you remember in Program to Kill Leonard Lake and
Speaker 3: Charles whatever the fuck his last name was, m They
Speaker 3: were also they were also ripping and running around.
Speaker 2: This same time, be running, ripping and running, a lot
Speaker 2: of ripping and running in that era.
Speaker 3: Right, What about U Samuel Little he was supposed to
Speaker 3: have confessed to killing ninety three people in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got them for a funeral Ohio too, I think, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think there was some in Ohio actually.
Speaker 1: But so.
Speaker 3: That's actually the end of my presentation. But think about
Speaker 3: what I just said, like all of these serial killers,
Speaker 3: William Bonnen, Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese, Richard Ramirez, the Hillside stranglers,
Speaker 3: Leonard Lake and Charles Ing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Lonnie, David Franklin Junior, Joseph James DeAngelo. I mean the
Speaker 3: Charles manson the Zodiac Killer. They're all coming out of California,
Speaker 3: and they're all ripping and running during or close to
Speaker 3: the same time frames. What's up with this?
Speaker 2: Say? It even seems even seems more organized when you
Speaker 2: realize that they're all being shipped there. They're all being
Speaker 2: shipped there through military jobs for aerospace and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Right m hm.
Speaker 3: But another one that I did not mention in that
Speaker 3: list that I want to talk to you about at
Speaker 3: a later time is the dating game Killer also came
Speaker 3: from southern California and was ribbon and running during the
Speaker 3: same time, and.
Speaker 2: He knew Polanski. So if I may suggest, man, let's
Speaker 2: do a seventies TV game show serial killer show, we'll
Speaker 2: do al Kala the two times Eddie Edward when Edwards
Speaker 2: was on the To Tell the Truth and I forget
Speaker 2: the other one he was on I Got to Tell
Speaker 2: the Truth. One can't recall the other show he's on,
Speaker 2: but he was on two and it was nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: two and nineteen seventy three, I think. And then Al
Speaker 2: cal is what's seventy seven on the dating game? Mm
Speaker 2: hmmm hm, there was another one? That there was a
Speaker 2: fourth one? There was another? Was there another dating game one?
Speaker 2: Or was there another another game show? I can't think
Speaker 2: of a serial cutter from right now.
Speaker 3: It's a different game show, and I'd actually have to
Speaker 3: google it. But I think this is a really good
Speaker 3: idea because I find it fascinating how these things are
Speaker 3: are not more.
Speaker 2: Think of the logistics, right, How are they getting on
Speaker 2: the show? How did Edward Edwards travel? How did he
Speaker 2: travel the country getting on over a thousand TV and
Speaker 2: radio shows promoting a book that he was metamorphosized as
Speaker 2: as a criminal, meanwhile murdering folks on this national tour
Speaker 2: the entire time.
Speaker 3: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a I assure you, ma'am. I ran
Speaker 2: logistics and current operations for the Air Force. I took
Speaker 2: a three year hiatus from being a military police in
Speaker 2: the Air Force, and I ran. I was working at
Speaker 2: headquarters in DC, literally managing the logistics for current operations
Speaker 2: in the Air Force, and in a you know, in
Speaker 2: a bunker in deep below the surface there you know,
Speaker 2: you will my as I call it, my my two
Speaker 2: and a half year stint in the hole, and I
Speaker 2: went back. It was so bad I volunteered to go
Speaker 2: back to the military police and go to war. So
Speaker 2: I found that more favorable circumstances for me at the time.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, it is these logistics I'm often concerned about
Speaker 2: because as a war planner in the Air Force who
Speaker 2: manage current operations. Logistically speaking, there's a lot I see
Speaker 2: the machinations behind a lot of these projects, and I
Speaker 2: understand what goes into it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You are spot on. There is a deep logistics to
Speaker 2: getting on not only a game show, but the machinations
Speaker 2: of reissuing credentials to everyone edwards, the machinations of getting
Speaker 2: law enforcement offices around the country to look the other way.
Speaker 3: MM one hundred Yeah, I actually have another show I
Speaker 3: gotta jump on here in a minute. But we got
Speaker 3: a plan for that one too, because it's just like
Speaker 3: with government cheese, there's too much there government cheese, man,
Speaker 3: too much there for it to be a coincidence. And
Speaker 3: I actually want to thank you for indulging me this
Speaker 3: afternoon because this when I discovered this guy was like,
Speaker 3: why the fuck am I just finding out about this asshole.
Speaker 2: Uh well, I felt the same way when he presented
Speaker 2: them to me. So I definitely appreciate your time aming
Speaker 2: the conversation and blowing up my brain hole with these
Speaker 2: topics and again drawing a lot of small circles around
Speaker 2: a lot of these activities across the wide spectrum of time,
Speaker 2: geographical distance, and a lot of what I would call
Speaker 2: satanic murdering. And if you want to impacting our society today,
Speaker 2: let me introduce you to nonetheless of Buffalo Jared Orvisa,
Speaker 2: the guy that my former stalker who wanted to be
Speaker 2: my pr rep. And I'm pretty sure he wanted to
Speaker 2: murder me and wear my skin as a human coat.
Speaker 2: And that's mister Buffalo Jared, who sits today after his
Speaker 2: multi state mind control assassin killing spree, the murder victim
Speaker 2: of which hired him as his pr rep. Jared sits
Speaker 2: in the Buffalo Jared sits in the Bridgewater Statemental Institution
Speaker 2: allegedly because his court cases are not in the actual
Speaker 2: court system. Folks can check that out on Operation GCD.
Speaker 2: I did that a couple sundays ago. The case or
Speaker 2: the Legends of Buffalo Joe Rivisa. But that image you
Speaker 2: just saw was months before that campaign of murder, and
Speaker 2: he's wearing a strangely smiley faced, you know, chaos symbol.
Speaker 2: I would argue of the neo process, Lana will go
Speaker 2: he's gone trans apocalypse kind of processing, the install of
Speaker 2: you ask me as well. And also within this whole
Speaker 2: kind of satanic murdering situation, right within these mind controlled assassins.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is we see repeating factors. Not only
Speaker 2: is in he's in the same mental hospital then unleashed
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Barr Jonah to go eat, murder and rape kids
Speaker 2: in Great Falls, Montana. He's also of the mind. He's
Speaker 2: of a the family of the sports hypnosis infamous sports
Speaker 2: hypnosis family that broke the curse of the Goat and
Speaker 2: helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series after a
Speaker 2: nearly one hundred year drought. And it was Ken Revisa,
Speaker 2: his great uncle in the company, his father and him
Speaker 2: used to work for the infamous Revisa Sports Hypnosis and Psychology,
Speaker 2: your family that is accredited with the Cubs help breaking
Speaker 2: the Cubs curse and back there a few years ago
Speaker 2: into twenty sixteen. So this is a fellow that I
Speaker 2: think we see these sam repeating patterns in. Again, he's
Speaker 2: currently under seemingly no accountability because his court cases are
Speaker 2: not in Connecticut or Massachusetts court systems, and at least
Speaker 2: not publicly despite him allegedly sitting in that same Bridgewater
Speaker 2: Statemental hospital. And again I would argue, this dude reeks
Speaker 2: of every aspect of what we discussed from these fellas
Speaker 2: in the seventies and eighties that are going on right now.
Speaker 2: He went on a murder campaign last May and ain't
Speaker 2: no one talking about it. And the only reason I
Speaker 2: knew about it is because I had a Google alert
Speaker 2: set up for the son of a bitch because he
Speaker 2: creeped me out so bad that I thought he wanted
Speaker 2: to kill me and wear my skin as a human coat.
Speaker 2: Before all this, right before all this. So my being is,
Speaker 2: you know, these things are still going on despite people
Speaker 2: thinking this is going on in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 2: this stuff is still present today.
Speaker 3: Well, since this is a swapcast, actually JJ, I would
Speaker 3: like you to take a minute and just let all
Speaker 3: of the listeners know where they can find out more information,
Speaker 3: not only about this asshole dick Cheese but all of
Speaker 3: your amazing work.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it, and I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time and again blowing up my brain home with
Speaker 2: these these details and ideas. I've been, like I said,
Speaker 2: you presented this craft fillow too mean not I was
Speaker 2: to fit into this whole study I'm doing right now
Speaker 2: with mapping a lot of these activities. Victim is doing genealogies,
Speaker 2: I'll do all sorts of shit, and he also is.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in the nineteen sixty eight Los Angeles
Speaker 2: presidential campaign of RFK, so one thing not discussed there,
Speaker 2: and folks can check out an operation GCD this and
Speaker 2: many other topics especially relative to the process church and
Speaker 2: folks like Buffalo Jared Visa that I covered a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago on My Sunday show, and Edward Wayne Edwards
Speaker 2: I covered a couple weeks ago on My Sunday show,
Speaker 2: and Nathaniel bar Jonah I covered a few weeks on
Speaker 2: My Sunday show the Hardy's Cannibal. But I do enjoy
Speaker 2: your your new marketing campaign of government government cheese here
Speaker 2: as well, So I'm gonna call him the Hardy's Cannibal.
Speaker 2: But yeah, folks can check that out there, and I
Speaker 2: do a free free Patreon preview of my Sunday shows
Speaker 2: there on YouTube Rumble and Twister, and then I do uh,
Speaker 2: you know, my Patreon show there on those Sundays and
Speaker 2: on Thursdays, I'm doing the same thing with a free
Speaker 2: Patreon preview and the Anatomy of Satanic Panic that focuses around, uh,
Speaker 2: the ideas, the continued investigation ideas of Dave McGowan and
Speaker 2: his Program to Kill largely focused around the psychological syops
Speaker 2: of mind more of Michael Akino and his Colby's Queers,
Speaker 2: because that's where he came from, the Phoenix program. So
Speaker 2: and I'm packing, how you know, using his own statements,
Speaker 2: how he's a ball washping a ball he ball washes
Speaker 2: and Nazi Satanists, and his own words and z own book. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I'm also using his own words to prove that
Speaker 2: he's using because he'll I have videos of him saying
Speaker 2: I don't do I don't do magic on my military time.
Speaker 2: In his own book, he's talking about doing Thellenic rituals
Speaker 2: on military duties. So again, I'm only using his own
Speaker 2: words in that series, using the words of Alistair Curley
Speaker 2: about the satoh masochistic torture and murder of young boys
Speaker 2: in which the game first on financial success, to which
Speaker 2: to say when he ball washes Curly and Thelema, I
Speaker 2: don't care if everyone participates in those extremist views of
Speaker 2: what's precisely what Crowley says. Clearly those Crowley words are
Speaker 2: being we're seeing those exhibited time after time, and the
Speaker 2: ritualistic satomasochistic murder, rape and cannibalism of young children and
Speaker 2: young men, and following the prescription with especially with these
Speaker 2: mutilated gentalia like we've described to Night, We've seen with
Speaker 2: the West Memphis three as well. This is repeated time
Speaker 2: after time. So I'm not only unpacking some of the more.
Speaker 2: I'm not going over the high profile murders in that series.
Speaker 2: What started off doing is just unpacking the psychological operations
Speaker 2: focused around a Kino, his activities in the presidio, and
Speaker 2: then spotting off from there on different tracks of how
Speaker 2: we see these replicating patterns of behavior time after time,
Speaker 2: over and over in these same precise syops to mine
Speaker 2: more that we get today. When I last week a
Speaker 2: documentary from tw tenty twenty three in an interview given
Speaker 2: by the filmmakers called sat and Wants You, and they
Speaker 2: are literally and I compared and contrast that to Keynot's
Speaker 2: own statements from his book is his email communications with
Speaker 2: Dave McGowan back in two thousand and one on these topics,
Speaker 2: which are hilarious. And we see the same patterned behavior
Speaker 2: from a Keno in two thousand and one to a
Speaker 2: Keyno in twenty twenty to these folks in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: and it's the same statement. It's the same ignorance of
Speaker 2: all these things, in the same perpetration of the same propaganda,
Speaker 2: so plos because I got that series there, and then
Speaker 2: you joined me quite often here recently for some film reviews, Julian,
Speaker 2: we got some more of those coming up on those
Speaker 2: from my Wednesday shows. There are going to be film reviews
Speaker 2: from this going forward. And then Fridays I do a
Speaker 2: roundtable in which I'm always looking forward for future roundtables
Speaker 2: of this nature. So hopefully you'll join me there.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to. I'm so glad that we
Speaker 3: met because we have so much in common in as
Speaker 3: far as the topics we like to cover. I feel
Speaker 3: like you understand a lot of the stuff that I
Speaker 3: try to present on my show, and some but is
Speaker 3: easily digestible as one would think. You know, I talk
Speaker 3: about Laurel Canyon, I talk about Program to Kill, I
Speaker 3: talk about you know, it's too much to be a coincidence.
Speaker 3: There's definitely something more going on. So I was really
Speaker 3: excited when we met because it seemed like you were
Speaker 3: already tracking with me and we understood what the fuck
Speaker 3: was up right away.
Speaker 2: You ain't kidding, You ain't kidding. I reciprocate those same thoughts, man,
Speaker 2: When you drop the name Tuesday Weld on.
Speaker 3: Me, I was like, all right, there you go talking
Speaker 3: about Yeah, yeah, that was actually really good. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that episode. I've listened to a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I don't usually listen to a lot of episodes. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: because every because here's the thing. Every even in conversations
Speaker 2: with you, I learned you blow up my brain hell
Speaker 2: every time. Man. But then I have to relisten to things.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, she makes some good points here, you know,
Speaker 2: she makes some good points here.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I think so much joining me tonight too,
Speaker 3: because I feel like this was a barn burner, as
Speaker 3: you would say.
Speaker 2: It's a real barn burner. I got a few tabs
Speaker 2: open to continue some reading here to and I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time for sure. Yeah, and any any more closing
Speaker 2: thoughts on that note, we'll just end it. Then we're
Speaker 2: good to go.
Speaker 3: We're good to get all.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, ma'am. Thank you, and thanks for the folks
Speaker 2: of the interwebs and the cosmic peach folks of the
Speaker 2: inn webs.
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