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And again, thank you so much for your support. Mecklinburg

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County Sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden says he is

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going to run for a third term next year. He

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had to make that decision, by the way, before December nineteenth,

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I believe was the cutoff. So we will now have

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the opportunity to oust him in a Democrat primary. I

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will once again probably try to vote in that Democrat. Well,

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let's see twenty six.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've got to see who's running. Because I'm unaffiliated, I

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can go between either Democrat or Republican primaries. And if

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you're unaffiliated, you might consider doing the same to vote

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against McFadden to get him out of there. Or we

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can go through another four years much like the last

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eight with all of the controversies that just seem to

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follow Gary McFadden around. None of it's his fault. That's

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why I call him not my fault McFadden. Nothing is

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ever his fault. It's always other people, disloyal staffers betraying

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him left and right. Charlotte Observers story by Ryan Orley

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documents some of the controversies. He has decried jail inspectors

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who found that's the state jail inspectors who found supervision

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failures at his facility, criticized the news media, and gotten

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to public arguments with ICE. Just recently, the sheriff said

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his relationship with ICE thawed. I said, okay, that's me.

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Ryan Orley did not write that, but this has become

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more productive after he met with local supervisors of ICE.

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But attention from within the Sheriff's office boiled over and

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reached the public in November twenty twenty four, when then

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Chief Deputy Kevin Canty resigned, sent McFadden a harsh resignation

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letter and copied the entire Sheriff's office to the email. Also,

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you may recall there was an audio recording that the

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Charlotte Observer and other news outlets published soon afterwards, with

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McFadden berating his staff and calling them untrustworthy. He also

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called a White captain a cracker. His former business director

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alleged the sheriff fired her as retaliation after she refused

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to alter records detailing his travel expenses. She had gotten

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a Freedom of Information Act request from the Charlotte Observer,

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and I think it was the Observer, may have been WBTV,

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I forget, but local media said we want to see

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the travel expenses, and he asked her to doctor the reports.

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She said she wouldn't do it, and so she got fired.

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In January, the Observer detailed in a special report how

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seven former employees accused the sheriff of abusing his power.

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In another audio recording obtained by the Observer, McFadden lamented

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that his staff did not inform him about problems inside

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the county jail. His former chief of detention to Lisa White,

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seconded that he was not a good leader in an

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interview with the Observer last month. So this is not

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Gary McFadden's fault. None of these things are his fault.

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It's everybody else, and it's the media. Uh, it's the media,

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and it's his critics, to which I put myself in

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that camp. Well, media and critic. I'm in both.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's like a It's like a Kamala Harris esque ven diagram,

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you know. I mean, I'm both media and and critic. Yes,

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and so let's talk about the uh, the Ice cooperation?

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Do here? It is? Uh cut seven. I'm trying to

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find it. Here, there's eight, here's seven. He appeared on

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Just a Reset. He appeared for in studio. He was

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right here in this very room two days ago, appearing

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on Brett Jensen's show from six to seven Weekdays, Breaking

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with Brett Jensen. You can go back and listen to

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the entire conversation on WBT dot com. On the podcast,

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he gave a a meandering explanation of his new ICE

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cooperation and how he doesn't listen to his critics, which

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might actually be why it took two terms and multiple

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pieces of legislation to make him cooperate with ICE in

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the first place.

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Speaker 4: When I got tired of everybody talking about ice and

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here in art of the red drink, and I heard

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my fellow sheriff in Texas, Florida, California, Nebraska, everybody sitting

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at a convention. I mean sitting at a convention and

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they were complaining about what they were not doing. I

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decided to come back and have a conversation with ICE.

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That conversation now is the best conversation I've had and

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continuously to have with ICE. So then when you put

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everything to a side and just do what you need

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to do, stay focused on what you're doing, you're successful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we told you that. We have told you that

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from the beginning. But you ran on a campaign promise

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to stop cooperating with ICE that then prompted multiple pieces

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of legislation to force you to cooperate with ICE. It

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took him eight years, seven years, i should say, and

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multiple pieces of legislation to get him to now allow

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ICE to take custody of offenders that are in the

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jail and to do it in a controlled environment and

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to let ICE know that these people who are in

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the jail, that are in the country illegally are about

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to be released seven years because he scrapped the two

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eighty seven g program and refused to cooperate. Now he

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wants all of the kudos for cooperating with ICE. And

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it's amazing what you can do when you sit down

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and have a conversation with them. Uh huh, Yeah, maybe

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you should listen to your critics every now and again

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instead of just discounting everybody as just a critic and

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that they don't like me, and there's some reason why

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they don't like me, the first black sheriff. No, it's

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got to do with the way you are performing.

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Speaker 4: So people can't say, well, he didn't do anything. You're

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just listening to what people tell you. And here's what

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I asked, is that your experience with me, you just

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reading me, you just looking at it on the media,

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or you know, as we call the word salad, But what.

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Speaker 2: Do you that you speaking word salad? What are you

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talking about? Don't gaslight us like we go through. I've

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spent years going through the ICE rules on detainers and

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custody transfers. I've taken your policies and your statement and

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i have examined them. I've taken this stuff from ICE

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and compared and contrasted. This isn't word salad over here.

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I don't know what he's talking about. I don't even

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know if he knows what the term means. Word salad

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is what he speaks in this constant bouncing around of

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you know, from one topic to the next and incomplete thought,

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thoughts and sentences. Oh my gosh, gaslighting.

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Speaker 4: But have you personally come and talk to me and

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had a conversation. That conversation with Ice at that time

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made me understand that we cannot just listen to the Rederick.

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We cannot listen to the gossip gossip. We just have

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to listen to each other, have a conversation, put everything

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to a side, and let's go forward. When we did

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that with Ice, it was successful. To the day it

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is successful. We got a call. I have heard from

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Ice probably five times since that conversation. So that made

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me understand critics going to be critics. Yes, critics and

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crickets about the same thing. Both used for bait, both

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for fishing, and critics are used as bait and critics

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are used for fishing. I don't I don't know if

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I even understand that critics are you do you mean

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criticism is used as bait. See here's the thing. I

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actually when people criticize me, and this may come as

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a surprise, but people feel very comfortable criticizing me. There

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are all sorts of ways that people can criticize me.

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I get all sorts of criticisms non stop, pretty much

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on all different platforms, emails, phone calls.

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Speaker 2: All that stuff. But sometimes critics actually help you improve.

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And I would submit that. If I had a leadership

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team that kept quitting and telling me that I was

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a terrible leader, I think at some point I would

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have to do some self examination on that. You know,

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when all these different people are saying the same thing

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about me. You know, stories are powerful. They help us

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Gary probably decided to wait and see how the election

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would go. It was not at all about going to

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visit and pray at his childhood home. Now he heard

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the dog whistle from the election results. That's a good theory,

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sure that, Yeah, Because he said he was going to

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wait till some time in the autumn, which I guess, yes,

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this is autumn, although it still feels like summer, well

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spring maybe, but we're in the fall. So but he

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said he was going to go back to his childhood home.

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I think it's fro It was in mac b South Carolina,

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I want to say, but I don't know if he

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went back to his childhood home and reflected and prayed

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and then came to the decision before he showed up

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on Wednesday to tell Brett that he was running for reelection.

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I know he did have time to make a coffee

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mug and print up some cards. So maybe there's a

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like a mug shop or printing Companie and macbe that

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he visited. I don't know. Then there's this clip number eight.

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Here we go, yeah, and listen to him. Here he

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gets so close to recognizing that he is the problem.

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He gets so close. Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: People don't understand what it is to involve your family,

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what it is involve your friends.

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Speaker 1: What does it involve your coworkers.

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Speaker 4: When you talk against the detention center, you're not only

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talking against Sheriff macfadden. You're talking against my staff who

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work Dylan Jilly every day. And so they get tired

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of going to the grocery store and hearing, well, how'd

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your sheriff?

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Speaker 1: How do you like working for him? They don't want

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to hear that.

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Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, imagine if they had a sheriff that

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wasn't like this swirl of controversy all the time and

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who treated his staff like crap. Maybe that would, I

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don't know, alleviate some of these concerns that your staff

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has when they go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: You know, they don't want to wear their uniform home.

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They won't work. I have an amazing staff, We have

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a world class staff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want to wear their uniform home. They're

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embarrassed by you. That's the problem. You're the problem. He's

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so close. He's so close. But notice what he says.

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If you criticize the detention center, then you're not just

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criticizing the sheriff, you're criticizing all the staff.

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Speaker 1: Yet.

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Speaker 2: No, Actually, I think people are tracing the responsibility for

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managing the entire office, including the detention center. That traces

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back to you because you set the tone, you're developing

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the culture. You have been in charge now for two terms.

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This is all on you, now.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, at the very beginning, when he first won,

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he made all of these accusations that there was a

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good old boy system and there were all these betrayers

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around him because they were from the old the good

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old boy club and all of this right, all the

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previous sheriffs and all the previous personnel like that's those

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weren't his hires. They were all out to get him,

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and all of this. It's been seven years Okay, this

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is all you now. You fired a bunch of those

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people from the old system, A bunch of the others

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have quit. Your hires have quit you like you hired

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them on. And they were like, hmm, yeah, I know.

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This guy's are raging. Narcissists were out. Then there was

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an interesting part of this discussion where Brett Jensen started

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asking him why he thought because McFadden is the first

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black sheriff elected to Mecklamur County that was back, you know,

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seven years ago. And Brett pointed out that, you know,

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thirty percent of the local population is black, but the mayor,

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the city manager, the city attorney, the city council, county commission,

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chair of the county commission, county manager, county attorney, like

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all of these positions of the school board chair, like

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a superintendent, like all black. And there are no white

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males left in any of the Charlotte Mecklenberg leadership. And

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he was asking him, like, why do you think that is?

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Because McFadden talks a lot about race. And here is

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what let me say here, here is what McFadden said

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about every position of leadership being occupied by African Americans

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in Charlotte Mecklenberg.

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Speaker 4: Why are we still talking about the first black Why

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are we talking about the first black female chief of police?

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Speaker 2: Why are we still talking about the first black sheriff?

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By the way, this is one of his rhetorical crutches.

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He just rows out question after question after question after

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question after question after question after question, and he never

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answers them. It's this this argument style of sort of

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accusation by juxtaposition, where you just lay out a bunch

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of questions and what do you think it means? Kind

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of an approach and it doesn't actually make any assertions.

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But then there's this.

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Speaker 4: That's difficult because that burden is on us as black

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leaders to produce and produce and produce. And then we

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are human. And that's what I think we don't really

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realize we are human. We have problems to be in

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our family, We have sickness in our family, we have

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issues in our family. But then what happens is and

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me and my good friend Christy Puckett was talking.

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Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa You and

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your good friend Christy, we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Your good friend Christy Puckett. Do y'all remember about two

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years ago, Christy Puckett Williams, the former lobbyist for the

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North Carolina ACLU. Yeah, I had a bit of the

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run in with his good friend, Christy Puckett, who whipped

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up a mob to threaten violence against me. That's his

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good friend. I did not realize that until this interview.

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I have even more questions now about who you are

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associating with your good friend, Christy Puckett. Let me finish

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out this clip.

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Speaker 4: Here because she had me to talk about community in

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this community conversation. You hold us to a higher expectation,

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but you do nothing to support that expectation or make

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sure that we are what you believe that we should be.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: So it's our fault. Hell, once again, not his fault.

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It's our fault because he said he could do the job,

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he's the most qualified to do the job, and then

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when it turns out he's not actually doing the job,

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it's our fault for not giving him.

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almost three years ago. It doesn't feel like it's been

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almost three years, but it was February of twenty twenty three.

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The North Carolina Legislature was working on the Parents' Bill

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of Rights and they scheduled a public hearing take public

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comment at seven o'clock at night. I think it was

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around seven o'clock at night, and so I'm monitoring it

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on Twitter, you know, watching the debate between the various

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you know, political activists and partisans on Twitter, and the

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ACLU of North Carolina's lobbyist at the time, Christy Puckett Williams,

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said that she was bemoaning. This is according to The

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Carolina Journal, she bemoaned the fact that the Parents' Bill

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of Rights was being voted on at seven pm because

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it was quote, the cloak of night, the cloak of night,

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and so I pointed out I thought helpfully that it's

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actually pretty common that all sorts of legislative business, from

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city council meetings, town councils, state law, state legislatures, the

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federal government, like lots of bodies, hold meetings in the

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evening five o'clock, six o'clock, seven o'clock. That's not the

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cloak of night. Seven o'clock is not the cloak of night. Okay,

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this isn't some shady effort to ram this thing through

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in the dead of night, which is the actual phrase.

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But in the dead of night, like when no one's

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paying attention because it's two in the morning or something.

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It's not like we're trying to ram through the state

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lottery like Jim Black did when Democrats ran the show, right,

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not like that. This was seven o'clock in the evening.

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Is dinner time, Okay, that's not the cloak of night.

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Nobody eats dinner in the cloak of night or wearing

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a cloak of night or whatever. And so I then

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also suggested that she just, you know, stop being stupid

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about this, like this is you're trying, like you're making

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this this is a stupid point. You shouldn't be saying

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this thing because it's not the cloak of night. You

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just it's stupid. She then snapped, she called me all

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sorts of things everything that ended with an ist that

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she could think of, very like unhinged of a reaction,

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and then she began to go into graphic detail about

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all of the different sexual things that that I could

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perform on body parts of hers that she doesn't have

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because she's a woman. Which was a very weird thing

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that she had said. Anyway, one of her supporters then

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started threatening me. Yes, they doxed me. They published my

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home address with a photo of my house, and they

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said it's on site, nothing more to be said. That's

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what one of her followers said. And that slang for

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if I see you, I'm attacking you. That's what that means.

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It's on site and not on site site, because that

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would be like then you're on the premises, you know,

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like you're on the work site or something. No, No,

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this is on site as in vision. As soon as

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I see you, I'm going to attack you. She responds,

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Oh my damn. I'm sure he don't know what that mean,

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but I'm sure he done bleeped around and will most

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likely find out. Lol. And then they respond, he will

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for sure find out. So this was an example, but

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one example of the kind of violent threats that she

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whipped up against me at the time. And this is

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apparently a good friend of our sheriff. I had no idea.

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Now I did know she appeared in some photos with

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one of the judges running for election standing for election,

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Elizabeth Trosh, I believe, and I think she had to

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take those down because it showed her with Christy Puckett Williams,

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and so in making her announcement the other day, somebody

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brought out those photos of her off of her Facebook

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page and then she scrubbed that. By the way, Williams

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is part of an organization called Emancipate NC, which supports

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dismantling structural racism and mass incarceration, and they count organizations

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like the z Smith Reynolds Foundation, the Tides Foundation, Duke

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Energy Foundation, the National Bail Fund Foundation as their primary funders.

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You may remember the National Bail Fund Foundation. That was

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the one that I think it was Kamala Harris told

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everybody to donate money to to bail out the mostly

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peaceful but sometimes fiery rioters up in Minneapolis, right the

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Bail Fund up there. David Larson at The Carolina Journal

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pointed out that this is like the things that she

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is describing with the sex acts like it's impossible because

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of like you know, biology and anatomy and that sort

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of thing. And she said a said it doesn't matter

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if she has that equipment or not the hypothetical male lobbyist.

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So because I at one point said, like, imagine if

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this was a guy saying this stuff in public tweets,

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a male lobbyist saying this to a female, right, and

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the hypothetical male lobbyist could make creepy sexual comments and

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it would still be sexual harassment whether he has the

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equipment or not. It has nothing to do with her race.

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He says, it's just unprofessional in general, and she responds,

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professional is a dog whistle for white supremacy culture. Your

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anti blackness is showing. So being a professional acting professional

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is a dog whistle for white supremacy culture. When another

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one of her followers said that I was going to

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have to step outside at some point, and so in

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doing so, that's when the on site would you know,

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take place. As soon as I leave my house, somebody

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will attack me somehow, Larson points out, this seems like

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a decent window into what life would be like if

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all of their lobbying to abolish police and prisons is successful.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Now, Look, I understand that somebody running for office is

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going to meet with a lot of people. It doesn't

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necessarily mean that they agree with them on all things,

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although it does seem like the guy running the jail

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working with and being good friends quote unquote with the

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emancipated NC woman here former because the ACLU did fire

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her as their lobbyist, which is smart because you're not

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going to get any meetings with Republican lawmakers to get

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anything done if you're the face of the ACLU in

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the legislative halls.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But when he said that in that interview, I was like, well,

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that explains a lot, right, Birds of the feather kind

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of a thing. All right, if you're listening to this show,

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The email is Pete at the petecalarshow dot com, an

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email from John who says, sheriff not my fault. McFadden

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is very beatable. One on one he loses. Unfortunately, there

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are three candidates running against him, so if two or

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more run against him, he will win with about thirty

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percent of the vote. The three people that have said

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they are going to run need to sit down together

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and figure out which one should be the candidate and

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the other two should just go to work for the other.

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The one who would beat McFadden as chief Deputies or something.

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I hope they're goes. Do not get in the way

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of this opportunity. Yeah, I don't know, like this is

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it's it's gonna real. It's the same thing that happened

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up in the election in New York City, right, same

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sort of dynamic. You get a crowded enough field and

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then McFadden can can slip through. Even though seventy percent

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of the people vote against him, he still is the

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votainer at thirty percent, if those are the numbers, right,

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So that's a problem. And so yeah, the three people

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running should probably get together and work out some sort

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of a deal. Throw your support behind one candidate, let

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them be the nominee, or let them run for the nomination,

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and then you would go to work for the for

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the winner. I do have hang on a second, I'm

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looking at the text line Cloak of night. Yes, this

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is from Ian. I can hear your flustration, well played, sir,

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flustration with McFadden, because it drives your voice up into

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your head. He is a malignant narcissist and therefore irredeemably obtuse.

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Having been raised by one, shall be in recovery the

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rest of my life. And then there's this from a

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seven oh four number. I think sheriff gets full retirement

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at ten years as sheriff. It's a different retirement from

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other law enforcement. So that's interesting. Yeah, there's yeah, there's

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probably some state benefit that kicks in. So okay, so

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I have another I got another sound, but I want

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to play this one before because we're going to move

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on after this this last segment here to some different

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stuff in the next hour. He has said stuff like

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this before, and when Brett Jensen was talking with Not

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My Fault McFadden Wednesday night about the racial demographics of

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the city and the county and you know what might

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explain why there's just a complete sort of monopoly of

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all city positions and county positions of leadership and elected representation.

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It's all black. There are no white men on these

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bodies or that have been hired, right, they're gone. And

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so he's curious as to why because McFadden talks a

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lot about race, and he's the first black sheriff and

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all that, but he has also talked about how his

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command staff who have quit on him they're black too,

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and he talked about why his black staffers may resist him. Okay,

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so he has a theory as to why, as to

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why people under his leadership under his supervision might quit. Spoiler,

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it's not his fault.

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Speaker 4: When people came against me that look like me, it

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was disheartening. I felt betrayed, But now I clearly understand

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why because it's deeply rooted into their history because people

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who were telling them what to do how to do

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it didn't look like me. And then when a person

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looked like them is telling them what to do and

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how to do it.

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Speaker 1: They made questions a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Me and my staff talk about it all the time,

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think about the same things happening to other sheriffs in

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America and some of the other sheriff privileged to me,

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but you never hear about it, only because I am

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the lightning rod that takes all of the heat.

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Speaker 1: And then very few times that I'm defended.

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Speaker 2: Maybe no one wants to defend you because the things

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you say and do are indefensible. Just going to toss

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that out there. But essentially, he's saying that black people

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don't know how to take his orders and commands because

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it's ingrained in them to only do what a white

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boss would tell them to do, and that he says,

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they talk about this all the time, Like, dude, it's

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not racism. It's you. It's just you, all right. That'll

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do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: Mhm.