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Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm

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your host Stanny, and today we have the pleasure of

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having doctor Aaron Hartman on the podcast. He is a

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triple Board certified physician who worked in the Air Force

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as just a regular doctor, but the diagnosis that his

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daughter had led to surgeries that him and his wife

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did not want to consent to, which led him down

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the path of functional medicine. Functional medicine, unlike the traditional

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healthcare system, is patient centered, science based approach that identifies

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and treats the root cause of disease rather than just

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the symptoms. They really look at like the whole person

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instead of just take this medication and get on your way.

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We cover so many topics in this episode. If you

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have a question, I might have.

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Speaker 2: Asked doctor Aaron for the answer.

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Speaker 1: Hi, doctor Aaron, thank you so much for joining us

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on the rabbit Hole. I am really excited to hear

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your story because I feel like so many people's stories

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start out the way that your story does, with like

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a sick family member in the medical industry, like wanting

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to just like throw pharmaceuticals at it, or like surgery,

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and most people kind of end up at the end

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of the day with like an I don't know what's

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wrong with you, like take more medicine, and so will

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you tell us tell us your story, your daughter story.

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Speaker 3: My story. You know, it's a little different, little same

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to what you're talking about. I was in the military,

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traditional doctor, academic, you know, doing all the usual things.

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And what gotten me off the being path, so to speak.

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Down the rabbit hole is literally down by this point

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in time, about fifty brazilion rabbit holes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 3: We brought our future daughter into a home and my wife,

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A is a occupational therapist that works with kids with

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special needs, very complicated kids, and we brought her in

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our home and she has a diagnosis of throat palsy.

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But how she got that was her birth mother did

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crystal meth the entire pregnancy. She stroked before she was born,

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and she was born functionally blind, so pretty pretty poor prognosis.

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And the GI doctors like, hey, by the way, she's

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also small. It's called failure to thrive. So let's put

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a feeding tube in her belly, put a plastic plastic

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tube in there, and just pour sugar water called formula

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into rebelly and that will fix the problem, she'll gain

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some weight. Problem solved, right, But we had higher goals.

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My wife was like, everything's gonna be okay, she's gonna

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be fine, and so that My response was, well, why

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would I put a feeding tube in her? Because part

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of learning how's talk is chewing and swalling, Like literally

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chewing and swallowing is how kids learn to talk. You

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develop motor skills.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, well, that's one of the reasons why

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it's important to feed kids the right food, not just

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stuck on bottles and stufffects oral motor development and one

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of the ways you learn how to wall because you

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first start crawling, right, and if you have a plastic

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tube coming out of your belly, well then you that's

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going to affect motor neuron development. So we said no,

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and the result was that the GI doctor report us

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to Child Protective Services for medical neglect because we refused

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to put that tube in there. And it was kind

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of weird because they came out investigated us. I was

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a captain in the military, medical doctor. My wife's a

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occupational therapist. We were in the system. I was in

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the Air Force.

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Speaker 2: Okay, in the Navy.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool, and this is that mcdeal air Force Space

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actually syncomso com as. I ran that clinic for a bit,

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but and so got investigated and then everything worked out okay.

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But it was like the system really didn't like it

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when you said no, when you get pushback. I just

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started to started making my wheels turn like that's kind

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of weird. Like I got investigated. I'm not a criminal,

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like you know. And six months later though, this was

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like when the weight of the world came out my

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shoulders and I had to make a change. Was my

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wife actually, in her research, found a growth chart for

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kids with cyril palsy and my daughter was in the middle.

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She was normal, and so the expert, yeah, the expert

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didn't know. The expert didn't know that she was fine,

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that she was in the middle. They had the wrong information,

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the wrong data, and they recommend the wrong procedure, which

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was a feeding tube. And if we went do with

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that procedure, one procedure leads to another, leads to another,

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and these kind of these kind of kids and put

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things in perspective, and it's turning twenty now, she's getting ready.

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She's gonna be my first child that leaves the home

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actually in April, and she's had zero surgical procedures to date.

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versus zero. And so when I realized that she was

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normal for her growth, like the expert didn't know, and

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all of a sudden, like what else do they not know?

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What else are they getting wrong? And who's going to

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figure that out? And so that got me getting up,

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you know, at that point time I had to be

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at base at you know, my job started seven in

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the morning, so I was again at four to read

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the research to learn stuff, and that supercharged my learning.

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Probably in the next three years. I learned what someone

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typically learns in seven or eight because I was just reading, reading, reading,

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but that that rabbit hole that went down. But it

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was like you Wizard of Oz, right, Yeah, the worlds

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and the black and white world is actually color. You

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learn about functional neurology and gene based nutritional therapy and

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a whole boast of other stuff, and it opened my

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eyes to like what options there were, but ultimately changed

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my entire practice of medicine and what I do now.

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And now I see people with complicated cases that have

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been the average person I see right now, has been

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the five to seven different doctors before they come to me,

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and I connect the dots of all the things they've

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overlooked to figure out. This was your mold, this was

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your line, this was your pots, this is your hypermobility,

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you know, whatever the thing is that these other places

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just overlooked. And that's, unfortunately, happens pretty commonly in our

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current healthcare situation.

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Speaker 1: Right that's and yeah, you're right, Unfortunately that's what's happening.

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And I feel like a lot of people don't look

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at it the way you do is like we don't

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have to do this, And a lot of people are.

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Speaker 2: Scared that they will be reported.

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Speaker 1: They're like, I can't say no because firstly, they're the expert,

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they're supposed to know everything. And secondly, like if I

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do say no, I'll be reported because I'm trying to

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advocate for my child, like there's got to be a

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different option, and.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're my wife and that thing in the special

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needs world that happens all the time. My wife was

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dealing with a lot of these complicated cases. They were

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going to Children's Boston Mass General, and there's situations where

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we would go up there with these rare diagnoses, A

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well meaning physician would say, this is weird. You're a

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Munchausen's by proxy, which means mom's making it up. The

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mom's faking it hurting the kid to get attention, and

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they lose a kid for a month or two or three.

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So I knew that happened, and so in this case,

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I'm like, yeahkay, this is not what's going on. But

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it does happen. It's not unheard of, and it's really

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bad because it happens typically to people with rare diagnoses,

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unheard diagnoses that the system doesn't recognize. And so obviously

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the mom's crazy, the parents are crazy, got a lot

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of mecal gas line happens. It ultimately kids are hurt.

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And so yeah, that's one of the many things I've

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kind of learned in my medical journey.

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Speaker 1: Well, we hear that a lot, And I wasn't gonna

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ask this question this early, but I'm gonna jump in

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since we're here. We hear that a lot when it

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comes to vaccines, and I know, like personally, I have

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had a lot of looks and like, I mean, they

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don't some of them say it outright, but most people

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are like, Oh, you're not gonna vaccinate your children, or

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like my son had strapped throat.

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Speaker 2: We need to go get antibiotics.

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Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, like he's not vaccinated, Like like

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I'm some weird person.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, I don't, like, will you talk about vaccines? Yeah?

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Will you?

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Speaker 1: Because I know, like I have opinions about it, and

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so I went here from a medical.

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Speaker 3: Professional, I'd be happy. I'd love to talk to vaccines

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about you. I'm a very I put things in perspective.

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I'm assistant clinical professor at the local medical school. I

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ran a research company for fifteen years, publishing landset some

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very science based So let's have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, because I feel like there's a lot of misinformation.

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There's people that believe like vaccines are totally bad, there's

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other people that believe vaccines are totally good, and there's

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a lot of people in the middle. And so especially

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with COVID, like people started actually asking questions about them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you just take a ten thousand foot view,

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you know. And when I was doing my pediatric intensive

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care unit, I'm during my internship year two thousand at

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the Mecal College of Virginia super busy, one of the

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top universities on the East Coast. So on the East coast,

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it's a really busy, busy place. And so I did

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not see piatric meningitis the entire time I was there.

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And doctor Malauri, who was the head she'd been there

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for She's like, yeah, we used to see ten to

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twenty cases a month. We don't see it anymore because

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of the hib and prevnor vaccine. Yeah, people minergize, most minerodized.

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used to kill kids. Don't see that anymore. So those

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are vaccines and these things are still in the environment

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right then, you so there's some things we still need

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to do. Then there's the whole thing with rotavirus vaccine,

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which gave kids into sussaption and it didn't really pan out.

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The whole hepatized beef thing almost was fascinating because you

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get it from sexual prostitutes and I be drugs, so like,

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why do you need it at birth? And actually it

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was interesting because we were on the first senters to

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do some of the research in MCV. With this, the

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kids would actually get the vaccine when they're born and

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get a fever, yeah, one hundred one fever, which newborns

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are not supposed to get, and so the kid would

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then get blood cultures done, spinal tap done, staying in

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the hospital for three to four yeah, because fever and

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an infant is assumed to be horrible because they don't

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because it's that way. They get the fever at home

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and the mom won't even though right, well, I know,

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this up. This is the way it was. But why

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why were we doing that at the Mecal College of

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Virginia Because many of the mothers there had drug use

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of issues. They weren't going to come back to the hospital.

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Their kids wouldn't be seen the system for eight nine years,

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So let's play it safe. You know, that's not where

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most kids are born and where most moms are at.

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to the population. You know, So I think you know,

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when you think about vaccines, and the HPV vaccine. Another

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great example of a vaccine. You know, it was a

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great book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lax. It's on

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my reading list of my website. Great book about if

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you ever heard of her name, the Heila Jean. She

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died of circle cancer in nineteen fifth d The most

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common calls of death in women in their forties was

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cervical cancer. Right, yeah, that went away. Why did circle

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cancer go away because of the HPV vaccine or because

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of the pap It was a pap smear is what

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eradicated that, you know? And so all of a sudden,

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like do you know there's maybe two thousand deaths of

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servial cancer, all horrible in the United States every year.

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I've never had a patient in mind that from cervial cancer.

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Why because the PAP smear so all of a sudden,

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Is the HPV vaccine like mission critical for young women? Right,

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especially since it's known to calls be related with syncope

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and pots. And there's actually a gene test you can

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do that can test the susceptibility for people young women

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to getting this. Do the pediatricians get this, they'ren mandate it.

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Do they get it? The answers no, So you know,

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is the HPV vaccine mission critical. Well, we have pap smears,

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thing that actually makes them more like you get the

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side effect. The answers no, Then why are you gonna

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mandate that? So there are ones we should mandate. Hampathize

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B vaccine. You know, maybe you get it when you

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go to college. Maybe you get it. It used to

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be you'd get it if you're going to going to healthcare,

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you're gonna work in the jail, you're gonna work a place.

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We might get needle sticks, right, But to give it

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to the entire population, it's probably a little overkill, especially

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since liver cancer and hepatias in our country that this

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kind are not that big of a deal. Big deal

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in Asia, a big deal in Sub Sahara, Africa, not

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a big deal in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: What about the MMR vaccine, because I know that one

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has a lot of controversy around it.

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Speaker 3: Then mem me measles momps rebella is they are a

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big deal. You know, if you're pregnant and you get

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measles or momps. You can have massive birth effects in

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your child. So and so should a child get that vaccine?

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bazillions of vaccines and we pick one out, Like kids

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they didn't get thirty other vaccines, right, you know, the

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chicken pox vaccines is another live virus. You know, I

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got chicken pox, Like maybe you do that when you're

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four to six? Do you need a chicken pox vaccine

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when you're twelve months old or when you're eighteen months old?

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of sort of like polio. If you get it younger,

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it's less severe than when you get older. So why

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are we putting it super young? Just kind of the

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way we're doing it. So I feel like there should

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be a conversation about this. And oh, by the way,

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if your kids botom D levels are okay, if they're

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nutrient levels are good, if you get a clean diet,

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what are their risk for some of these things as well?

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It's gonna be less And so we kind of forget

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that a lot of these illnesses, these plagues of the

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past came up in situations when people have when nutrient

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deficiencies were rampant, when people will typically malnourished. And so

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there's there's great examples. Actually in my body, if I

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mentioned this in my book, I may or may not.

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example here to go, things popping in my head right, No,

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a viraly induced heart issue in China, cardiomopathy induced by

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a virus. And so the United States was the process

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of working on a vaccine with China. Come to find

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out there's a mineral deficiency in this whole region that

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was affecting tens of millions of people. They gave them

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the deficient nutrient, and all of a sudden, the viraly

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induced heart failure went away. So how often does that happening?

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So there are some vaccines we should definitely look at,

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getting him prevnar. There's some ones we should definitely think

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about putting off h I'm sorry, hepatize speed. And there's

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some ones that are kind of like polio is a

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bad thing. Is there any endemic polio in the United States. No,

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it is active right now in Pakistan up gas kant stance.

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If an area was a lot refugees from that part

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of the world, you should get it. But my patients

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in rural Virginia who want to put it off for

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a year or two, why not?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask that, Like, so if people are

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going to they still want to vaccinate, but they're not

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necessarily want to vaccinate and get six shots at their

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two years old appointment. Is it okay to put off

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these vaccines like years?

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Speaker 2: How many years.

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Speaker 3: Someone depends on which we are you talking about. Some

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of them you can put off till high school for

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sexual activity like the hypotas be vaccine. Some of you

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put off a couple of years. You know that the

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chicken pox won, Like, oh, I had chicken pox. Everybody

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used to get.

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Speaker 2: Chicken pox back in the day, chicken pox parties.

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Speaker 3: My wife actually when she was a kid, got chicken

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pox and her she was sent to all the houses

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and were neighbor to give all the kids chicken pox. Right, yeah,

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so literally, so maybe you do that later on, you know,

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the reality unfortunately, because most people have the chicken pox

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backs it's super rare now to get chicken pox, so

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you're probably gonna want to get from my son. For example,

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we were going to Disney World and he was eight,

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and it's kind of like me, a lot of people

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around in the world Disney, I don't want to deal

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with an eight year old kid with a fever and

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feeling krddy. Let's just give him the vaccine, you know,

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But does he need it when he's like twelve months old?

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Speaker 1: I have I think everybody has a lot of these

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questions because it's very it's it's just our world right now,

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especially with COVID. But you talked a little bit about nutrition,

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and I wanted to get into like how nutrition is

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affecting health in general and why it's completely overlooked by

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like the medical industrial complex.

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Speaker 3: You know, eighty percent of heart disease and seven percent

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of most cancers can be prevented by diet and lifestyle alone. Wow,

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just can.

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Speaker 2: You say that again?

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Speaker 1: Wait say that again for emphasis eighty.

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Speaker 3: It's in the book. Eighty percent of heart disease and

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seventy percent of most cancers can be prevented by dieting

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lifestyle alone. Now we can spend hours talking what this means.

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But the basic gist is healthy diet, real food, healthy

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lifestyle eliminates eighty percent of the number one killer and

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seventy percent of the number two killer. So how can nutrition,

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lifestyle stuff not be a part of our healthcare system?

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How can I not be reimbursed? How can I don't know?

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It's just the way the system is, you know, I

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mean I do know. Our system is in acute care system.

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you were to have acute stroke, I want to be

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here in the United States within two in Richmond, Virginia.

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Within two hours, I'll be getting a clopbluster at Johnson

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Will's Hospital, my local community hospital right here, good old

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fashioned Saint Francis Medical Center. They'll be stinting my heart

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to clear up my block guardy in an hour and

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a half. For two hours. That doesn't happen anywhere else

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in the world. You want to be here if you

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have a complex medical issue, you've got an all immune issue,

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crop fatigue, postconcussive syndrome, you're in the military, gulfer syndrome,

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you know whatever. Then all of a sudden, we were

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horrible because these are things that require complex, multidisciplinary, multiple

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levels of expertise, and our system is very broken up

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into solids of specialties. And so it's great if you've

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got that niche A or the peak ish you need

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nee replacement. I mean they're doing the replacements here in Virginia.

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do general It's like amazing. Now, yeah, but what if

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you have crock arthritis, You've got ligament issues, you keep

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on tearing stuff, you probably have some nutritional issues, you

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probably might have hypermobility. Let's deal with that. And that's

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where our system is not that good at I was.

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Speaker 1: Gonna ask about that because like we have some of

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the best medical in the world, right, Like people from

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all over the world will come here for like crazy procedures.

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But then also it feels like we're almost like the

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sickest country in the world.

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Speaker 3: Those are two different things that can be true at

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the same time. And that's I think where you get confused.

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People like, well, either we're the best in the world

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or the worst in the world. It's like, well, you

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can be the best in the world at procedures in

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high tech and still super crazy sick to the people

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and that they're not mutually exclusive. I remember this was

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like fifteen years ago and the University of Miami was

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one of the first places in the world to do

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heart five replacement through your arm. They cathorize it, change

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the valve, loud wow. And the head of the healthcare

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system in Canada that point in time left their country

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flew to Miami because they couldn't do it in Canada

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to get it here in the United States. Now it's commonplace.

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Now I can go to my local Chipphamon Ecal Center here,

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which is a big heart center with an HCA and

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get that done. It's a routine procedure nowt here. We're

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really good at that stuff. What we're not good at

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is But at the same time, we have more chemicals

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in our food system than any country in the world.

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There are you know, black to satan round up. It's controversial, right,

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it's band in Europe. It's not all out in Canada yet.

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you can't make this stuff up. We're removing patroleum based

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dies from our food system, and people are up in arms.

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You can't get that stuff in Europe. I was right,

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my wife and I we're in Italy and I was

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looking at some eminems and opened the bag up and

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they eminims were as pretty as our eminem's. They were

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kind of these ugly colors I looked at. It's like

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natural beat juice, your beats. It's like they were using

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natural stuff for the colors and they weren't as pretty.

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Speaker 1: My kids get mad about it because I'll buy the

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stuff that has like the beats and like the natural colors,

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and they're like, these aren't fun, and I'm like, but

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they're so they're the same thing. They're so much better

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for you.

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Speaker 3: It's just and so that's I think that's we have

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these two worlds living together where they have all these

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special interests. You know, the whole low fat thing. Literally

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the food pyramid changed a week ago when when we're

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recording this and it said fat fats are back, and

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people for in my world, I've been using fats to

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treat brain issues for twenty years. When I see autistic kids,

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for example, and kids with pandas and pans and my clinic,

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most of them have low cholesterol two load it's like

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less than one forty, which is a marker for brain issues,

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Like why do we have fat deficiency in our country

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because we demonized it and so now it's at the

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top and people are all in uprage, and that was

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not going on in France. When that's not going on

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in Italy, they don't say low fat over there. It's

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it's really that information for almost fifty years, chemicals in

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the environment, high forctos, current soup and everything genetically my

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five foods, and on top of that you throw vaccines

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or whatever, and it's like we're forty percent of Americans

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are obese. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask about like the obest

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because we do see like we're all eating the same

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foods as we've always eaten, right, as we've always eaten

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as relative I guess, but like Craft macaronim when I

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was a kid is so different than Kraft macaroni and

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cheese now, or like bread back then. Bread now it's

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completely different. Like I'll make bread from scratch at home

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because I don't want to buy it at the store,

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but it goes bad in like three or four days

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because there's no preservatives in it. And so what do

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people do if they want to start living a healthier lifestyle.

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But life is expensive.

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Speaker 3: That's you have to start low hanging fruit. What can

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you change now, you know, maybe start sourcing things a

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little better, you know, for example, you know in my book,

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you know, I have a food sourcing god for across

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the country. So now where you're at you can kind

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of find things. So for example, salmon, if you want

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real wild called salmon, the best price point is actually Costco. Yeah,

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you can get a big bag of it bulk. If

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you want real raw cheese, European cheese costs guasies. Big

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blocks you get block for like fifteen blocks, a huge

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thing they Wegman's. That same block is like it's like

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fifteen bucks a sing wle thing. If you have kids,

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they're gon't to go through a lot of stuff, and

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so you have there's there's ways to do it. But

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also as a kid, when I was growing up, we

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had a garden, we grew stuff, my dad hunted, you know,

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we cut corners and other things. We a lot of

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our clothes were hand me downs or from the local

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thrift store. So it's like what do you value And

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if you value nice clothes, nice watches, nice car, you know,

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I don't know then you're gonna pay for that stuff.

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If you don't value your health, you're not gonna pay

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for it. It's really interesting how in our country, but

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most of the world spends about thirty to forty percent

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of the disposal income, up to sixty percent in poorer

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countries on food. The United States were like at that

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ten to twelve percent mark. We spend way less on

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food in our country than most places in the world.

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00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:48,279
And part of that, interesting enough, is the Farm Bill.

475
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,920
There's a big subsidy for grain, for corn, sore rice,

476
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,240
and the result of this is that things that eat

477
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,559
that stuff are cheap as well, cows, chickens, eggs. It's

478
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,279
all of a sudden, let me have a food system

479
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:06,079
where things that are fed genically modified, pesticide ridden foods

480
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,119
are price suppressed. So all of a sudden, eating the

481
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,000
local organic stuff, it's not that it's expensive, it's just

482
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:18,000
that everything else is government sponsored food. And so when

483
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,359
you start think about like that, do you want to

484
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,559
eat nothing but government, government subsidized food. It just doesn't

485
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,160
sound right, does it. But that's kind of what our

486
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,279
current ecosystem has created. So and I've got resources in

487
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:29,920
my book to kind of help people navigate that. But

488
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,920
I feel like just conceptually realizing the reason food is

489
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,559
cheap is because it's government subsidized food.

490
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: I've been really advocating for my listeners to go and

491
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:40,759
find like local farms. And I know it's really hard

492
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,880
when you live in a city to find like a

493
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,240
local farm. But farms aren't that far outside of your city.

494
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,640
If you take an hour drive, you might find one.

495
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,799
But I actually just did a whole episode on raw milk,

496
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,599
because I mean, we drink raw milk here. I would

497
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,160
love your opinions on raw milk.

498
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Raw milk. Oh my gosh, that is legal. That is

499
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,519
illegal and rigid Virginia. It's not illegal, it's illegal my state.

500
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,960
You know. We So we got my son. He had

501
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,079
horrible eggs in asthma. He was six months old, and

502
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
within six months his ego is gone. The year is

503
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,440
asthma is gone. The first thing my wife did is

504
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,839
start making homemade formula for him, and the base for

505
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,079
that was raw milk. I know, horrible, We're horrible parents.

506
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,680
You know it's bad. You know, raw milk is amazing.

507
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,440
It's like if you take raw milk and put it

508
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,640
on your countertop, the natural bacterial enzymes will actually naturally

509
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,720
ferment it. You know, curds and whay. You know little

510
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:39,000
miss Muffetts, and I don't turpet eat tough eating her

511
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,880
curds and way right, that was just milk separating naturally.

512
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,279
If you set it out for three days, and what happens.

513
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,319
Whay comes out the courage turned into the stuff you

514
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,440
filter with cheese cloth, put some salt. That's cork. That's

515
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,039
a German cheese. Like milk is a super food that

516
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,400
actually will turn into other things and self digests and

517
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,720
it ferments into these amazing things if you take it

518
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,400
and you make what an oral mix. Whatter an oil

519
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,440
do not mix naturally. If you take them and make

520
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,400
them mix, you change food chemistry. If you alter pasteurize

521
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,240
the milk to two hundred and eighty five degrees flash

522
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,279
heat it right, you will change the protein structure and

523
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,839
actually make the milk tasting and other proteins inflammatory, and

524
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,240
you destore those enzymes in there. So the milk story

525
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,960
is very much like the bread story. Like raw milk

526
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,079
and ultra pasteurized homogenized milk with her common bround growth

527
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,759
hormone and about fifty milligram equivalents of anti box in it.

528
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,400
It's not the same as the raw milk from my

529
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,400
farmer twenty men's down the road. And it's really interesting.

530
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,640
You know, there's a thing called Sea fifteen. If you

531
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,559
heard Sea fifteen's, that's so unfamiliar to you at all.

532
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,759
Sea fifteen Okay, you like this. Your listeners will love

533
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,759
this if they like rabbit holes and conspiracy theories. So

534
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,920
about a third of the country is deficient in sea fifteen. Okay, okay,

535
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,839
And see it's fifteen deficiency and dolphins associated with dolphin dementia.

536
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

537
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,799
Speaker 3: It was actually discovered by vets, dolphin vets, and they

538
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,400
realized they fed dolphins back of a diet, the regular diet,

539
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,279
the dolphins wouldn't get dementia. And significant Americans have this

540
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:22,079
efficiency in this this saturated fat. The source of it

541
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,759
from it in our diet is actually fermenting animal's milk,

542
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,200
so the cream basically, so all of a sudden, all

543
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,359
of your raw milk, your cheese, and all in all

544
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,079
similar PROCs butter ghee. Well, what if we removed from

545
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,519
our diet from for the last fifty years fat, so

546
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:47,079
we actually induced this essential saturated fat deficiency in our

547
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:51,480
population from from this thing, from our recommendations, and where

548
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:57,079
would we have gotten that historically? Milk butter, So milk

549
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,839
is interesting. Yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting, it's in

550
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,880
So I mean some people can't digest it, Yes, some

551
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,000
people of lactose deficiency. Yes, certain ethnicies don't digest it.

552
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,880
And yes, as you get older, you tend to not

553
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,640
digest it quite as well. These are all true, true,

554
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,400
These are all true, true and true. But it doesn't

555
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,880
mean from minted foods aren't still ridiculously healthy for you.

556
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,319
And it doesn't mean that things like butter and gee

557
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,119
aren't still ridiculously healthy for you. So we finally have

558
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,680
removed the We've been demonizing fat for all these years,

559
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,839
and now the government has finally recognized, Hey, we have

560
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,119
a fat deficiency syndrome in our country and nutrient deficiency

561
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,920
syndrome and we need to fix that.

562
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,359
Speaker 1: That's interesting because yeah, I did this episode and I

563
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,200
was like, my son had ezema, he had chronic dip

564
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,880
rash and like his whole first year and we kept

565
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,400
we lived in Colorado at the time. We were looking

566
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,119
for raw milk, but we just couldn't find it. We

567
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:53,920
were on a wait list for like two years because

568
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,359
everybody wanted it, and so when we got here, we

569
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,160
switched into raw milk, and he has not had a

570
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,720
divrash since, like cleared him up. And I was like,

571
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,680
there's no coincidence here that raw milks cleared him up.

572
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: It's raw milk and ultra pastorized milk are not the

573
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,839
same species. They might both be white, but it's not

574
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
the same thing. Just like bread. You know my bread,

575
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,119
your bread as well. It's the iron coin or whatever

576
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,799
grain you use, salt water, and then the culture the

577
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,039
bread that has bread and mulci foers in it, that

578
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,680
has bread conditioners in it, that's been typically fermented for

579
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,559
three hours, not traditionally fermented for twenty four to forty hours,

580
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:39,240
but doesn't use a polyculture that uses a sarcumices sobca

581
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,000
culture that was emitted in lighteen hundreds called bewers yeast.

582
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,240
There's so many things that go into that that make

583
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,079
bread what is today. It's not what it was two three,

584
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,519
four thousand years ago. And so when you say bread

585
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,799
good bad, it's you're you're talking about two different species

586
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:53,440
of things.

587
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. So you talked about environmental

588
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,799
factors a little bit ago, jumped over it, but I

589
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,039
want to go back. Because the people that are gardening,

590
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,160
that are bringing their food out of the garden like

591
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,160
they have all these even if they have like cows

592
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,359
or pigs or whatever, and the kit they're eating the

593
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
grass like they should be. What do we do about

594
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,359
kim trails and how that is affecting our food?

595
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:20,839
Speaker 3: You want to do the best you can do, so

596
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,359
you know, in this world you're not gonna perfect. We

597
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,960
literally have information from polar bears in the North Pole

598
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,519
having pesticides in their fat. Where do they get the stuff?

599
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,759
It's from stuff in the water, and then it gets

600
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,400
in the fish and then they eat the fish. Right,

601
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:36,720
So there's really no place you can go where you're

602
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,519
gonna it's gonna be pristine. So it's about minimizing exposure.

603
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,640
And human body is amazing. I mean, I'm amazed that

604
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,599
any of us are alive. When you start studying it

605
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,680
and you learn that the eight thousand plus cymicals that

606
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,799
are producing our country, we've studied maybe two thousand of

607
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680
them to date for safety, So the vast majority of

608
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,559
we have no idea if they're safe. Or not right,

609
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,839
and so it's just about minimize exposure. And part of

610
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,880
the way your body was amazingly made was if you

611
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,400
get the right nutrition, if you get the right antioxids,

612
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,640
you can accuse viamin C, for example, as a protectant

613
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,279
against pesticides. There's an interesting case in the book I

614
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,559
was reading recently about It was about four kids, those

615
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,519
two older kids and I'm sorry, it's two older kids

616
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,240
and a younger kid. And they were out and like

617
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,759
in Kentucky somewhere, and a plane came over the top

618
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:25,319
and they got they weren't supposed to be there and

619
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:29,279
got hit with They were dusted with I forget what

620
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,559
the chemical was. So some pesticide and the two older

621
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,119
kids cover. The younger kid went to the hospital. The

622
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,559
young kid got ivy viamin C. One of the older

623
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,279
kids got iv vimin c. The older kid didn't. The

624
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,359
young kid was fine. The other the other adult guy

625
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,720
boy was like, here's okay. The one that didn't get

626
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,039
av viamin C died a couple of days later. Like

627
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,400
the I, v viamin C was able to block the

628
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,880
oxidative stress, the inflammation, the toxic effects from the pesticide

629
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,559
and you can just from having acquiate baymen seen on

630
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,880
our diets, you can actually help a miliorate some of

631
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,279
the negative impacts from lead, mercury, arsenook, all these kind

632
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,359
of things. So just something appropriate nutrients in your diet,

633
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,240
minimizing the exposures can actually have a big impact for

634
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:13,799
all these things. And that's kind of you know, my

635
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,039
dad wasn't living on a farm where as a kid

636
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:18,759
they used our stick and the chicken feet. He actually

637
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,960
used d DT in his house as a spray to

638
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,799
kill bugs. Yeah, he's eighty eight this year, you know,

639
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,640
but he ate deer they caught. They went hunting, and

640
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,240
they had they had their own stuff they raised, like

641
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,119
the only stuff he ate as a kid. Grew up

642
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720
with stuff they caught called grew or killed themselves. And

643
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,880
so it's a different world where he was eating real

644
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,839
food and literally had DDT spray in his house and

645
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
used our stick for chickens. And he was eighty eight

646
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:44,839
and still trucking along.

647
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,799
Speaker 1: What do you think about like worms and like people

648
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,079
like doing these parasite cleanses and stuff that don't seem

649
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,440
to be acceptable, right, Like the animals get parasites. How

650
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,119
come we are told when getting parasites.

651
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: We do have parasites. You know, a third of the

652
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,799
world's population has a parasite of some sort. In Virginia,

653
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:10,279
in southwestern Virginia, parasites are endemic. And if you talk

654
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,759
to Venarians, they're like, if you have a pet in

655
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,200
your house, if you have a dollar cat in your house,

656
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,240
you have our crack parasite exposure. The bigger question is

657
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,519
all are parasite all? Are all parasites bad?

658
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question.

659
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: There there are some there's some literature suggests that the

660
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,279
parasites actually help educate your immune system to lower risk

661
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,160
for allergies. For example, So if you look at sub

662
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440
the countries that are endemic in parent with parasites, okay,

663
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,640
you don't see inflamed robo disease, you don't see crones,

664
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,119
you don't see all immunity. You know, there is this

665
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,920
interesting population experiment with the with the iron not the

666
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,559
iron with the Berlin Wall. When it got pulled down,

667
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,920
you had some parts of scann Nava. One part was Russian,

668
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,559
one part was Western and so the Eastern Europe or

669
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:07,799
eastern Germany or the Russian part they were still very living,

670
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,199
like almost like forty years earlier. Everybody parasites dirt everywhere,

671
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,840
low asthma, low eczema, you know, low immunity, the cleaner areas.

672
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,199
They're having lots of issues. So the question is are

673
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,880
parasites like a lot of things in environment, are they

674
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:27,880
connext for immune system? For some literature suggests that, but

675
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,920
if you have chronically he got, you have toxins in

676
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,480
the environment, might you lose tolerance to those parasites and

677
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,280
might they cause issues? Yeah, and we're seeing a lot

678
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,159
of this toxin induced loss of tolerance called tilt syndrome,

679
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,280
where chemicals environment make us more pronent allergies, ezema, asthma.

680
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,239
It's really interesting if you look at hay fever speaking

681
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,440
endemic in Europe with the industrial evolution. It wasn't until

682
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,480
we saw you saw lots of cold burning, lots of

683
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,920
small in Europe that people's populations started getting hay fever.

684
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,119
It used to be hay fever used to be the

685
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,159
farmers got hay favorite, right, And so so parasites is

686
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,119
not a yes no thing. And I've done some with

687
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,039
some of my work with patients, had patients, some ultistic

688
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,880
kids that actually ordered special pin worm based parasites from

689
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Duke Okay that we used to help treat some of

690
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960
their all immune issues. So it's not a parasite. It's

691
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,679
all about parasites, all good. But another part of that

692
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,000
another rabbit trails. When you go to third world countries,

693
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,679
people will have paras because of malnutrition. They will have

694
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,199
parasite overgrowth. And with with malnutrition, they'll have issues. And

695
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,360
I've actually had patient, a bad kid actually in the

696
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,000
mission hospital and Honduras die from that. He was actually

697
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,199
coughing up parasites. But if you talk with your farmers

698
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,440
about Calvin, they were like, you know, all the cows

699
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,280
have parasites. It's just all we do is control the number.

700
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,159
And so it's more complicated than everybody needs to parasite clans.

701
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,360
But for some people, you know, and I checked for

702
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,760
parasites routinely. It's a part, it's a standard part of

703
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,679
the things I do. For some people, it's a big

704
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,039
part of what they need to do for their health.

705
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:07,239
But like many nuanced things, it's not all bad, all good.

706
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 1: The devil's in the details, right, But like so if

707
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,960
this is a detailed question, if somebody does a parasite clans,

708
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
but they have animals living in their house, right, so

709
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,119
they're likely, I mean, from what you're saying, they're gonna

710
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,519
get parasites. Back, is it is it fine to do

711
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,960
the parasite clans because then you'll get those parasites again

712
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,599
and they'll be like assuming what they should.

713
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: Well, what is a parasite clanse? And typically it's things

714
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,440
like clove ardemesia black want extract. It's usually these herbal

715
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,079
things that also are anti inflammatories. They also control yeast

716
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,119
strap staff over growth in your gut. They also have

717
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,960
these things called polyphenols, which are chemicals that feed certain bacteria.

718
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:53,039
They also tend to help improve libertytoxification, and bile production.

719
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
So the question is is the parasite clans just a

720
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,280
parasite clanse? Okay, the answer is no, it's not just

721
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,840
a paracyclone. It's also resetting your gut microbiome. It's also

722
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,920
anti inflammatory. It's also helping your livery detoxify. So what

723
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:13,039
is you know, what's the big therapeutic result is that

724
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,360
the paracyclons are all the other stuff that's doing. I

725
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,679
think for that they would be a great conversation to debate,

726
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:23,719
but it's just doing more than just the paracyclons, because

727
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,079
when I get people prescription medications for ambig dysentery or

728
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,360
antamba histolytica or whatever other you know, pen worm, whatever,

729
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,199
it's very specific for that, it's not doing this other.

730
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,480
When I get people world prescription anti parasix, they're not

731
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,480
having the same anti flammatory detox response with a a

732
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:48,199
nature pathic or a traditional aervatic paracyclon. So they're not

733
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,400
when I even talking about the same thing, when I

734
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,840
talk about medical versus a herbal paracyclons, that makes sense.

735
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: I want to know why so many doctors and so

736
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,079
we're having this debate right now in the world, I think,

737
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,119
or from my perspective because I live in this like bubble,

738
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,239
I think of conspiracy theories where we have like the

739
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,800
functional health which is getting very popular. We have traditional health,

740
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,559
which is paid for by insurance. So why are so

741
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,400
many doctors that are traditional, right like traditional for us,

742
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,400
like Western medicine, that they just look at the symptom,

743
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,159
they throw medication at it. Why are they not looking

744
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:27,800
at the whole person the way functional health does.

745
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean, the reason there's conspiracy theories is there's a

746
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,559
grain of truth to them. The question is, once you

747
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,679
go on the rabbit hole, where you come out, is

748
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,239
that truth? There's that totally off base. And now that's

749
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,880
why I think having conversations is great, and everything's kind

750
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,480
of complicated when you kind of get to it, but

751
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,519
the ultimate answers should be basic and simple for us

752
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,639
to apply to it. So I think the simple answer

753
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,480
here is you give what you pay for. And so

754
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,480
when you come see a in my old practice, I

755
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,280
would see six people an hour, So that's like every

756
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,960
ten minutes I'm seeing someone. You come in, you come

757
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,119
check in the front desk. Insurance says, I have to

758
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,159
screen you for depression. I have to screen you for

759
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,559
your vaccines if you had them. I have to verify

760
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:14,599
who you are even if you become in my practice

761
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,119
for twenty years after look at your ID and verify

762
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,000
that grandma's grandma, she's had and changed. You know that

763
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,360
takes up fifteen twenty minutes. You finally get back to

764
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,239
see me, after doing all the things we're mandated to do,

765
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,000
I've got five seven minutes with you and you come

766
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,880
and talk to me about all your headaches and your rashes,

767
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,360
and I'm like, oh, here's a migraine medication to hear's

768
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,760
some topical steroids. How your kid's doing. We'll see you later.

769
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,039
That's your five minutes, right right. You get what you

770
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,880
pay for if you go to a functional minded you know,

771
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,039
I do my intake. It's like a two and a

772
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,679
half hour process reviewing your history. I'm spending pin an

773
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:53,760
hour viewing the labs. Totally different experience. We're looking at

774
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,079
totally different things. And that's where I think of the

775
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,199
difficulty is with our current system. It pays for procedures,

776
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,840
it pays for volume, It doesn't pay cognitively. It doesn't

777
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,840
pay for your doctor to sit and think, to process

778
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,199
and say what why are you having these rashes? Why

779
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,119
is your son having this butt rash? What's this fatty

780
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,920
acid level? What's his vioomin D status? As he had

781
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,559
a guts to analysis? Like like that is going to

782
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:18,679
take me extra time. And I remember when I my

783
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,079
old practice might order labs on people. It's like, okay,

784
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:22,960
I've got literally at the end of the day, I'm

785
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,719
o review labs for thirty or forty people. I have

786
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,519
thirty to forty five seconds per person if I want

787
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,280
to go home and see my family. So I can't,

788
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,400
So I wouldn't order a lot of fancy tests. Refer

789
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,559
to in your crinologist, refer to cardiologies, refer to specialists,

790
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,599
because there's not time in the system. And so I

791
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,119
think we're getting part part of this is that you

792
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,559
get what the system is designed for, and you get

793
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,320
what you paid for. People that want to pay are

794
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,280
wanting to pay government rates and government and improve insurance

795
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,519
for personalizing and ventialized care. It just doesn't make sense.

796
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,719
You have government improven insurance through corporations. Lewis Common nominator

797
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,239
rates go down every year, but yet you want this

798
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,119
high level individualized personal's care. It's like it's not gonna

799
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:07,599
work like that.

800
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think the system's broken. Unfortunately, that's a

801
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,800
short answer, Yeah, because like.

802
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: I mean, is the thing? Is the system broken or

803
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
is it working as designed? You know, it's very much

804
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,119
similar to the system my grandfather. You can get a bronchi,

805
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,719
should go to the doctor. They check you in, they listen

806
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
to your lungs, this is your acute issue, here's your

807
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,000
anna bach and you go home and that you know,

808
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,119
how's that different than what happens today? Minus the things

809
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,000
I mentioned. It's about the same where system is working

810
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,320
the same. This AI world, where literally you can have

811
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,880
access to the mass of the world's information, a healthier

812
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,719
system is still working the same way as it was

813
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,119
half a century ago, and they have people like me

814
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,679
starting practices. We're trying to do things differently with AI

815
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,079
and I fused practices using you know, functional mess and labs.

816
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,119
I've got three boards of vacation, so I'm looking at

817
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,960
a bunch of different databases. I'm in multiple groups around

818
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,639
the world with different doctors doing really cool stuff. If

819
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,280
you want access to that, that's not going to be

820
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,079
a five minute.

821
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Visit, you know, right, Yeah, we go. I go to

822
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
a functional medicine clinic here because I just got sick

823
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,199
of being sick, Like you know, cause, like you'll go

824
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,840
to the doctor and you're like, I don't feel good

825
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,159
and they're like, well take this medication.

826
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: You're like, well, the medication made.

827
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,559
Speaker 1: Me feel worse, and they're like, well, I just give

828
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:27,480
it a few like months to kick in, and then

829
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:28,679
when it does kick in, now you have all these

830
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,719
weird side effects. They're like, well, take this medication, take

831
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,079
that medication. Finally, I'm like, okay, here's the deal. Like

832
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,559
I'm having more side effects than what was wrong with

833
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,280
me to begin with. I don't even want to take

834
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:38,679
all these things.

835
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,679
Speaker 2: I'll just deal with the issue.

836
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,119
Speaker 3: Sure, what you know, go down a little rabbit hole.

837
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:48,960
Thirty percent of all drugs are mitochondrial toxic unts. So

838
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,199
basically means thirty percent of drugs can actually mess you

839
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,320
up if you don't watch the side effects. That's that's

840
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,840
the first the first thing. The second thing is a

841
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,880
pointing to the current literature. It's possible that medical error

842
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,599
is the third most common cause of death in our country.

843
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,159
Speaker 2: Wow.

844
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,119
Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, it's like, we have this

845
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:11,199
system that's volume in versus out, that's not contemplative, that

846
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,400
doesn't look at the whole person, and we have problems.

847
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,159
We're gonna have medical air, we have issues. So I

848
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:18,639
think you have to ed what I'm trying to use,

849
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,719
educate people from the bottom up. And I'm not waiting

850
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,079
for the government to make decisions. I'm not waiting, you know,

851
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,559
twenty three years for the government to say home and

852
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,679
replace some therapy is okay, which they did remember, or

853
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
to say fats back, which it took half a century

854
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,119
to that happened last week. You know, you have to

855
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,280
make your own path, and ultimately, you know, you vote

856
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
with your money. And if people are demanding better healthcare

857
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,119
and they're voting that way with their votes and with

858
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,920
their money, the system will change slowly, but it will change.

859
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,599
And that's why I feel like we're starting to see

860
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,559
now people voted differently, whether you like it or not,

861
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,519
a year ago, and we're seeing those changes and many

862
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,199
of them, like you know, fats are back. Can you

863
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,639
know patrollum based does around of the food we're questioning

864
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,519
floord in the drinking water, Like I think these are

865
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,360
good things for health.

866
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember what my question was.

867
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's more like a statement. I would like

868
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,519
you to talk about the gut microbiome because it's the

869
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,159
second brain, right, and we have this depression and anxiety

870
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,239
epidemic in our country, and I'm wondering if it's because

871
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,000
we're so malnutritious nutrit wow, mauntnourished.

872
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:29,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

873
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: So you've got the gut, you got the lining, the

874
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,400
wall of your gut, which is where eighty percent of

875
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,440
the immune system is, and you've got this ecosystem that

876
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:46,000
creates seventy five percent of all neurotransmitters, serotonin fifty percent

877
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
of dopamine, and your gut they have the bacteria. You

878
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440
have this metabolic engine of these bacteria that produce vioamin k,

879
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,719
that produce b viomins, that produce ut rate, short chain

880
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,320
fatty acids. And we're just now learning how important it

881
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,280
is if you have an autoimmune disease. For example, by definition,

882
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,079
you have to have four things. One's leaky gut, the

883
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,639
ones of crock infection, and for many people that crock

884
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,559
infection is abnormal growth of bacteri in your gid track.

885
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,360
You know, genetically speaking, humans have like maybe twenty three

886
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,079
thousand genes plus or minus. There's a million genes in

887
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,400
the bacteria that are in an on your body, ninety

888
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,119
nine percent of which you're in your gid track. So

889
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:27,920
all of a sudden, your gut becomes this place where

890
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,920
you develop tollge to the environment everything you breathe and eat.

891
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,119
Your immune system and your gut with the bacteria says ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore,

892
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,519
and you want them to ignore it. Yeah, nine nine

893
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,599
point nine percent of what immune system is supposed to

894
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,159
do is ignore dust. Mites, ignored dust, ignore pollen. Ignore

895
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,599
my thiroated ignore my my joints, right. But when it

896
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,199
becomes dysfunctional, that's when you get inflammation and a bunch

897
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,400
of other things. So the gut microbiome is a metadlock

898
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,719
engine produces nutribes for me for our body. But it's

899
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,519
exquisitely here, we'll hear it, you know, let's go down

900
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,239
the beat hath here round up glac of state God's

901
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,639
patent as a blocker for the chicken mate pathway. It's

902
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,519
fine for humans to take because we don't have that

903
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,280
that enzyme that path may in our body, but bacteria do.

904
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:21,119
Oh oh, you can't. There, that's the dot you just connected. There,

905
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,400
it actually affected back to in your gut.

906
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: You need what you need.

907
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,199
Speaker 3: But but that's not that's that's not all. That's not

908
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,840
all over. Ninety percent of round up is actually a

909
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,039
petroleum distillate patrolum distillates. You know, when I got grease

910
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:41,199
on my hand while I was a kid, I didn't

911
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,840
know any better. I would use a patrolum distillate kerosene

912
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,440
to clean off or spirits to clean off the paint

913
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,920
from my hand. Yeah, that's what's in that's in something

914
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,800
like that in round up. So now you have these

915
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,280
distillates that you're getting your body that dissolve the mucus

916
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,119
in your gut all of a sudden. Now there's a

917
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,280
biological plausibility for why one chemical roundup could have multiple

918
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,119
different native impacts on your health, irrespective of whether they're

919
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,400
directly affecting you because of the back to in your gut.

920
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: And that's just like you said, one example, like how

921
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,239
many examples out there?

922
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,159
Speaker 2: Like the people don't even know about it. Oh my gosh,

923
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,079
this is so good. I'm loving this conversation.

924
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: And then I also wanted to bring up the maternal

925
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,280
more more mortality rate in our country.

926
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: Because I feel like.

927
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: We have, like we discussed, we have a fantastic healthcare system,

928
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,239
except we're killing mothers at a crazy rate.

929
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: See, I'm not up to date with that number. What's

930
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,239
the current number right now in our country? Let me

931
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,480
pulled up because when you you might have to educate

932
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,599
me here what you're because my brain is going to

933
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,599
fifteen places right now with that, whether.

934
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:59,639
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead, Paternal deaths they decrease in twenty thirteen

935
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,639
from eighteen or twenty twenty three, excuse me, eighteen point

936
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:07,800
six per one hundred thousand live births and too from

937
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,800
twenty two point three, so it went from twenty two

938
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,480
to eighteen and twenty twenty three. But eighteen out of

939
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,079
every one hundred thousand mothers are dying.

940
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not as bad as it used.

941
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,639
Speaker 2: To be, right, that's good.

942
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 3: A corner women used to die. Probably, how being babies

943
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,119
is risky business, yes, and it was. It was routinely

944
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,519
you'd see a grave size, you know, a husband and

945
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,199
two wives, you know grave, and it's like the husband

946
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:41,840
with the husbands would bury the wives. And you see

947
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,719
some small little baby graves. They very baby bury babies

948
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,440
as well. You're part of the whole issue with life

949
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,800
expectancy has been skewed historically because you take a bunch

950
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,280
of zeros ones and twos and a bunch of twenties

951
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,519
and eighteens from from the moms, all of a sudden,

952
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,760
it makes life expeccing look like we're dying super young.

953
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,320
I have this paper I've got in my desktop. I

954
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,480
was looking at the life expecancy in the United Kingdom

955
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:10,239
and the seventeen hundreds and males pasted adolescents, so it

956
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,400
was ignoring kids and babies was ignoring women those.

957
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: Just because they were dying really fast.

958
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,039
Speaker 3: But in seventeen hundreds and the United Kingdom life expecancy

959
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,679
was seventy two to seventy three and a male if

960
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,840
you made it to adolescens, well now it's like eighty

961
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
two eighty three, So literally an a box and surgery

962
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,679
added maybe ten years. Yeah, that's not super impressive if

963
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,840
you think about it. Well, why you where we get

964
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,840
these numbers of the average age was thirty in the

965
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,760
first century, It's because so many people died in childbirth,

966
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,800
and so many babies died before they did twelve. I

967
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,079
think the bigger story here, and this might be what

968
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,239
you're referring to, is why would you so many sea

969
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,239
sections in our country? Why is it some states like

970
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,679
half of the deliveries are about the sea section, and

971
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,280
you go to Ireland and it's like five percent.

972
00:49:57,519 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: I do want to get to that, but I want

973
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,679
to go back to this question. I'm not trying to

974
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,400
I'm not trying to be off. But so this question

975
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,000
was specifically compared to other countries, So like the United

976
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,920
States were having eighteen per one hundred thousand, where's like

977
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Norway has zero, so Zil has one point two. Australia

978
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,199
has less than five, Japan has less than five, the

979
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,440
UK has five and a half.

980
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: Canada has eight.

981
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:21,159
Speaker 1: So we have at least ten more compared to Canada. Yes,

982
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,239
I do want to get into these sections.

983
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: Though, well I would, well like, what's a big driver

984
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,159
for that? You know, you have to look at nutrition.

985
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,079
Women's publicists are getting smaller. Interesting, it's it's very our

986
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,360
facial features are changing. Actually, wes Today Price, if you

987
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,920
ever heard of wester Day Price, he was actually a

988
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,119
dentist to went around the world in the forties and fifties.

989
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:46,280
He found that nutrition would change facial features, change risk

990
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,639
for certain diseases. But one of the things that does

991
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,599
is your facial features will change in public size will

992
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,199
change over generations of mount nutrition. Yeah, and so the

993
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,599
question becomes, okay, what this is? Where the devil's in

994
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:01,239
the details? Okay, So which is it? Babies that aren't

995
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,800
making it out? Is it babies that are having their

996
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,119
head crushed by four SIPs? Is it moms are needing

997
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,440
sea sections? Because each of those are potentially of different calls. Right,

998
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,559
if your mom who has a small lower jawl, who's mountainnursed,

999
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,079
you have a small pelvis and all of a sudden's

1000
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,159
hard to put a baby through that. You have to

1001
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,280
get sea section, and their healthcare system itself is like, hey,

1002
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,880
I got golf game going on here, whatnot? You know,

1003
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,320
it's kind of long, Let's go on and schedule your

1004
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,039
sea section, right versus other places are like, you know,

1005
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,039
they're not doing that in Ireland, They're not doing that

1006
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,679
in these other countries. And then there's the whole thing

1007
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,119
with the infant mortality issues, which goes into infections and

1008
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:40,840
things like that. So I think when you look at

1009
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,199
a number like that, I'm like, Okay, the questions I'm

1010
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,679
asking going to ask, are is it okay? Is it

1011
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,039
the maternal morbidity? Is it directly related to sea sections?

1012
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:54,480
Is a directly the delivery process itself. There's so many things,

1013
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,239
you know I just mentioned we have kind of sort

1014
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,159
of wrong that can be adding to that. It's not

1015
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,840
gonna be as simple. You know, a final opaduraals are

1016
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,800
worse than they are in Canada or whatever. It's gonna

1017
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,039
it's got thing to be more nuanced, if that makes sense.

1018
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about babies that like vaginal birthday babies versus

1019
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,239
sea section babies because there is a difference in their

1020
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,559
gut bicro biomes and like how they develop over time.

1021
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:23,519
Speaker 3: Right, So it's their nature is infinitely complex. It is

1022
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,239
so cool. You can't make this stuff up. So the

1023
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,280
last trimester of pregnancy, a mother will switch your boy

1024
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,480
switches the kind of back to you in your vagina

1025
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,800
to prevotella, the more provatella dominant. What happens in the

1026
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,639
baby's born the first swallow is actually a gulp of

1027
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,480
vaginal fluid, and whatever it's in the vagina strap staff

1028
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,199
yeast or prevotella or Bedford bactor, whatever's there, will actually

1029
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,880
be the first thing that actually starts populating the baby's

1030
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,440
jat track. And then the baby gets coated in the

1031
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,840
vaginal fluid and then baby's like there, So what do

1032
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,920
we do in our country? See action you bought past?

1033
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,480
That baby comes out. You wash the baby down, scrub

1034
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,760
them down, soap and water. You know, now we're getting smarter.

1035
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,159
We're actually okay, we're not gonna bavee the baby for

1036
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,239
a day. Right, We're gonna let the bacteris sit there.

1037
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,599
If the baby's a sea section, we're gonna take a

1038
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,920
sponge from the mom's the really high level birthing centers

1039
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,519
are doing this here in the United States now. They'll

1040
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:23,599
take a swab of cotten four about fours swab your

1041
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,360
vaginal area and then stick the baby's nose and rub

1042
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,400
the baby down with it to try to populate the

1043
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,800
baby with mom's bacteria. Because if you don't what happens

1044
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,000
the baby, it's populated with the skin back to here

1045
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:39,000
from the surgeon, which is totally different, and that you know,

1046
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:42,639
sea section babies are more prone for asthma, exema, autimmune issues.

1047
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,679
And then breastfeeding, you know, the first seven days the

1048
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:50,880
class drum, every baby's born with leaky gut. I don't know, Okay, yeah,

1049
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,679
they're all born thinking gut in the class drum has

1050
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,559
lots of ig g immun globbians that actually seal that

1051
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,639
gut up in the first week. Well, if you see

1052
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:00,760
section and go bottle feed and get that's what happens.

1053
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,639
You don't get the right back to your and this

1054
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,960
leaky got takes longer to heal up. And if you're

1055
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:10,280
using really bad formula, maybe it doesn't ever quite heal up.

1056
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,239
So the natural process is so complicated, so beautiful and

1057
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,960
so like cool, but also if you dev eight from that,

1058
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:21,760
you can relate result in a lot of issues.

1059
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,159
Speaker 1: So if a mother is having a baby that's not

1060
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,000
at one of the like there they had a c section,

1061
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:29,679
but they're not at one of the hospitals that would

1062
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
swab like you know and put it all over the baby.

1063
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:36,159
Speaker 2: Can a mother do that? And like, how is it

1064
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:36,800
still helpful?

1065
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,679
Speaker 1: Like three hours later, four hours later, like six hours later, whenever,

1066
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,960
like they're back in there like mom baby unit, right,

1067
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,840
and they're just with their baby and they're like, hey, husband, like.

1068
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,519
Speaker 2: Help me out here. Like I know that sounds weird

1069
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:48,360
and gross, but like.

1070
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: It is weird and gross, but you know the natural

1071
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,800
way is the baby's slimmy for a day and you

1072
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,760
bathe it a day or two later. So nothing's weirder

1073
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,840
and grosser than that. Nothing's or and grosser than what's

1074
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,760
supposed to happen, right, right, So you know that's you.

1075
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,719
I'll see kids with exama asthma, IBS algae issues when

1076
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,760
they're tooish, and you know, it's interesting how you can

1077
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,039
still work on them. You know, usually they have fatty

1078
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:17,039
ass deficiencies when I do their gut tests, and usually

1079
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,079
it's a wreck. So we fix their gut. Usually they

1080
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,559
have other you know, they enviodm D levels are almost

1081
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,719
always low. So I've had really good success with helping

1082
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,159
these kids later on. So it's not hopeless. There is hope.

1083
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,760
You can do things about it. That's what your mom's

1084
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,960
out there. Don't beat yourself up. You don't know what

1085
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,320
you don't know. And the fact that you're listening this

1086
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,159
to hear this, and you want to make a difference.

1087
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,039
You can hire percent change your director of your child.

1088
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,440
I wouldn't focus on I should have done, I should

1089
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,239
have done, I should have done, because I feel like

1090
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,480
that's where people get stuck. There's so many things you

1091
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:48,599
can do. And I think about my kids when I

1092
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:51,400
got them, the situations they went through, and they're all

1093
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,320
thriving now, and they all came from pretty crazy situations,

1094
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,960
so it's it's pretty it's still possible. I don't know

1095
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,480
if I mentioned I forget what I say when I

1096
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,320
say how, but my daughter's situation, my other daughter situation,

1097
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,000
in my sun situation, they all came from pretty crazy

1098
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,599
places and they're all thriving right now.

1099
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:09,119
Speaker 2: So you adopted all three of them?

1100
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,039
Speaker 3: Adopted all three?

1101
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you brought up vitamin D deficiency a couple

1102
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,840
of times, and so I wanted to know if you

1103
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,559
would get into that a little bit because we've seen it.

1104
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,159
Speaker 2: We see it in children, we see it as adults.

1105
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:19,679
Speaker 1: What do we do about vitamin D besides like just

1106
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,800
taking a settlement, which is an option.

1107
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: You know, food sources for vitamin D are co liver, oral,

1108
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,079
or you can meat and liver. So that's where you get

1109
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,440
it from, mainly in your diet, So eat those things.

1110
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,079
So are you going to do that? Most people are

1111
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,119
going to do that. The caveat to that is a

1112
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,039
thirty percent of meat consumption in the United States before

1113
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,880
nineteen fifty was organ meat. So we actually used to

1114
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,760
eat this stuff. We can we can eat it again.

1115
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,039
We can eat it again. But as far as getting

1116
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:50,480
from the sun, people will say, I'm just gonna get

1117
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,280
from the sun. The problem with that theory is that

1118
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,000
in order to make enough vitamin D on your skin

1119
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,880
when the sun hits it, you need to have sea

1120
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,400
bumb like layer of fat on your skin. And part

1121
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,159
of the way your body makes viman D is u

1122
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,920
v radiation hits you know, v B particularly hits your

1123
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,360
skin hits this fat molecule breaks down da da da dad.

1124
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,920
But you start format in your skin. If you wash

1125
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,400
off the natural fats from your skin, you won't make

1126
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,519
as much viman D. So who takes a shirt out

1127
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,639
every day with soap and water, The answer is most people.

1128
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,360
So you're automatically to diminish your body's ability to make

1129
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,679
bo D in your skin. And so all of a sudden, like, well,

1130
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:32,440
how do you fix that? Well, don't shower and run aroundside,

1131
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,639
put your shirt, your clothes off, or take a supplement.

1132
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,159
You know, I've there's so many patients I've seen white skin,

1133
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,559
fair skin, black skin, brown skin or whatever, and bomin

1134
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:48,280
D deficiencies are everywhere. But there's one person I've seen

1135
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,119
with skin and color who had normal viomin D levels.

1136
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:56,480
And I know him because here's my son. And he

1137
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,440
would not take a single supplement. Also wouldn't shower and

1138
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,360
ran around so that all the time as a kid,

1139
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:06,000
and his D levels were amazing, And I was like, look,

1140
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,920
I know, here's the stage of life when showers were like,

1141
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000
you know, once a week maybe kind of thing, and

1142
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,840
in his room and he smelt like it. He's growing,

1143
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,679
he's growing out of that stage. He's fifteen, grown out

1144
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:20,039
in stage in life, but it's amazing. Like so the

1145
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,599
question becomes, okay, are you gonna go? You know we

1146
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:27,760
should work outside well even but then but then, well,

1147
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,960
you put something lotion on, you put clothing on, you

1148
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,079
block the sun, you block v B that burns and

1149
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,280
makes it so now you're just getting the A exposure.

1150
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,280
So all of a sudden, you're still not gonna make

1151
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,519
the same amount of BOTTOM and D. So really, in

1152
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:45,039
today's modern culture, unless you eat organ meat, calver orl

1153
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,960
or don't bathe regularly, you probably need to supplement.

1154
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: Interesting, I didn't know that.

1155
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: To that, I'm sorry. Make sure the D has at

1156
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,239
least K two m K seven in it because for

1157
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,320
D to do it and to do and need to

1158
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,199
come with the other fat syble vinomins. That's just a

1159
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:06,119
little caveat. I don't right have people supplement D. I

1160
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,039
don't just do d' to D with the other fat

1161
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:08,880
syble viamins.

1162
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:10,719
Speaker 2: So what do you think about sunscreen?

1163
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: Then? I have a love hate relationship with sunscreen. I'm

1164
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,320
fifty two and not put it on because I don't

1165
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,440
want to burn, because I don't want all kinds of

1166
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:25,239
stuff but a lot of skin skin greens, sunscreens are toxic.

1167
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,559
Look at the chemicals in them. You know, you're putting

1168
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,519
different daily eates different you have. It feels nice and soft, smoky,

1169
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,159
probably has these things called dailates, which are neuro indocrine disruptors.

1170
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I tend to use just a metal basising titanium type ones.

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But the best thing is just covering your skin, you know.

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So what I do these days is just I got

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south my long sleeved and it's actually kind of popping

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that wearing. There's like there's photoprotective clothing with the hat

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that's actually hi the way to go, and just putting

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sunscreen basically on your face because sunscreens themselves, the really

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good wines are expensive. You gotta put them over all

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of your body. And do you apply and ounce, you know,

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every hour to your body when the outside the answers

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most people don't, you know, So it's the smart thing

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is to use clothing. And aside to that, I did

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a lot of dermatology churning at USF back in the day,

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and it's interesting if you look at these melanoima maps

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with melanoma incidents, and it exploded in the seventies, in

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late seventies early eighties when we started using more sunscreens.

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So there's a question on you know, just sunscreens prevent

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they actually might using them might actually increase melima risk

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because you make let's findin d and you get more

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uva radiation exposure.

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Speaker 1: So that's a very nuanced Also, if it's like, because

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your skin is not used to seeing the sun because

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we're wearing sunscreen, like, then when it does see the sun, like,

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does your skin start to have like a almost like

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an adverse reaction.

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Speaker 3: Well that one hundred percent. That's the reason why people

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have a lot of issues in the spring because they've

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been clothed data and they also grow out for four

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hours and they burn like crazy, or get these autommune

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you can get the actually photos sensitivity reactions. We're skin

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the vessels. It's actually a type of basculie where vessels

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breaking stuff because your skin's not used to it. So

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historically we'd be outside in the sun all the time, right,

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there was no sting indoors things, So we do have

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some things that are induced. So in the spring, myself

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and my kids will like go out for an hour.

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We slowly introduce ourselves back to the sun so we

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don't burn. But the biggest concern with your skin is

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actually burned blistering burns. That's when you really ramp up

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your wrists for melanoma or other skin cancer. So great

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exposure is helpful and covering is probably best.

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Speaker 1: So getting a little bit red is okay as long

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as it's not blistering.

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Speaker 3: Correct yet, that's actually called a minimal earthema dose, and

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if you get a full body of that, you make

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about twenty thousand units of bymand. So I try to do.

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Speaker 1: That with my son's I'm like, okay, we're gonna go outside.

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As soon as they start to look red, I'm like, okay,

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now we can go inside.

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Speaker 2: We can cover up. We put on some sunscreen, like.

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Speaker 1: I don't completely take out the sunscreen, but I'm very

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like hush, like just I don't slather them in sunscreen either,

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because I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I go back and forth when I do that. Kind

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Why I do is I take my shirt off and

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get my twenty minutes, like you do, not put my

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shirt on and my hat on, so I get my

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exposure like my twenty minutes. I'm I'm pale, complexed, my son, says, pasty.

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He has beautiful browns, he has beautiful brown skin. He

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turns this beautiful chocolate color. I'm so it gets these

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beautiful highlights. I'm super jealous. But he he doesn't have

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,000
to worry about He don't have to worry about. He

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turns chocolate and his hair gets light and he just

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looked super cool in the summertime.

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Speaker 2: Doctor, Aaron, what is the name of your book?

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Speaker 3: It's Incurable from Hopeless Diagnosis to Defying All Odds.

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Speaker 1: And I will link that in the show notes. Do

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you have a website you want me to link as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Incurable book dot com and then Aaron Hartman ind

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dot com.

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Thank you so much.

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01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we learned a lot today. I asked

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,320
you some crazy questions, so we.

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Speaker 3: Went all over the place. Yeah.

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: I figure, since I have you, I should ask as

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many questions as I could come up with.

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Speaker 2: And I tried.

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01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:00,559
Speaker 3: So is your show with this is your thing? I'm

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along for the ride.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Until next week, my friends, stay skeptical and we will

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see you all then.

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Speaker 2: Hey friends.

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