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<v Speaker 2>so we let his flag fly fly. This dude loves flags.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Okay, vexillology, aren't you glad that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a parenthetical flags after that? Because who knows what

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<v Speaker 2>vexillology means? Where does this word even come from? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>buckle up, got to get cute. So vexillology has its

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<v Speaker 2>roots in Latin for little sale vellam as a sale

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<v Speaker 2>or a curtain, and it's related to veil. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you rip a flag, are you piercing the veil? Because

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a disaster. This reference will only make

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<v Speaker 2>sense if you listened to last week's Disastrology episode. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just sorry. I'm sorry to everybody else. That was

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<v Speaker 2>cheap and I went for it. Okay. So the term vexology,

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<v Speaker 2>it was coined in nineteen fifty nine by a flag

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiast and designer and political scholar, the late Whitney Smith Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're like, damn it, I wish I were

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<v Speaker 2>a vexillologist, but you're just a flag fan. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 2>You're still a vexillolophile. Drop that on a first date.

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<v Speaker 2>See how that's received. Okay. So this vexill vex vexillologist,

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<v Speaker 2>vexillologist came into my life one fateful day in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on that Atlas Obscure trip with Touthology guest

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<v Speaker 2>squid expert and as of a few days ago, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Mackinnaughty and I was about to get a behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes tour of the Majestic Bishop Museum on the island

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<v Speaker 2>of Oahu, and wonderful persons Hadley Anderson and Meghan Ramsey,

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<v Speaker 2>who are Olagites and museum workers, met up with me.

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<v Speaker 2>They hooked me up with a local flag expert, so

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<v Speaker 2>we met the next day in my hotel. I rushed

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<v Speaker 2>in straight from the beach with very bad hair and

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<v Speaker 2>mascara on my face, and he was Natalie, dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>a vintage tikisuit hit a fresh haircut. He was sipping

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<v Speaker 2>some soda in the hotel bar. He handed me a

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<v Speaker 2>miniature Hawaiian standard flag. We ducked into a room to

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<v Speaker 2>chat flags. You're about to go through quite a journey,

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about everything from why flags exist, to if you

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<v Speaker 2>can get arrested for stomping on one, to have to

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<v Speaker 2>dispose of a flag, to what flags have to do

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<v Speaker 2>with conspiracy theories, to some pirate trivia, why Hawaii has

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<v Speaker 2>a Union jack on its flag, the hardest flags to draw,

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<v Speaker 2>which colors we don't see on flags, and why which

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<v Speaker 2>state flag fla needs a makeover? The hardest, how to

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<v Speaker 2>design a flag? Had a store one who designed our

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<v Speaker 2>modern American flag? And how you two can have fun

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<v Speaker 2>with flags all year round. So get ready to fly

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<v Speaker 2>high with flag professional and vexcillologist Tory light Ala. It's

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<v Speaker 2>l a I t I l atola. Okay, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure I say that right. You are a vexillologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I am a vexologist. Vexillologist, it's not an easy

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<v Speaker 3>one to say. Oh, it's not. No, it's not. But

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<v Speaker 3>my day job is registrar. Oh, so I would consider

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<v Speaker 3>myself an amateur vexillologist, but I do do it as

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<v Speaker 3>part of my day job. So I do get called on,

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<v Speaker 3>called upon to answer quite a few flag questions during

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<v Speaker 3>the week. What is a registrar to I'm an arts registrar,

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<v Speaker 3>so I manage the City Countye of Honulu's public art collection.

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<v Speaker 3>So a registrar is a person in a museum who

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<v Speaker 3>handles all the records and sometimes the physical objects. I

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<v Speaker 3>handle a public art collection for the City Countye of Honolulu.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, so right now we have seventeen works

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<v Speaker 3>collestion as of today. As of today. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Tory got his bachelor's in museum studies at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Manoa in Hawaii and spent seventeen years as

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<v Speaker 2>a registrar in Honolulu's Mayor's Office of Culture and the Arts.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an expert in charge of public art collections

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<v Speaker 2>and who flies what flags when? So. Starting in September, though,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll be the Curator of Textiles and Fashion at the

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<v Speaker 2>Honolulu Museum of Art, which is very exciting for him.

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<v Speaker 2>The dude digs flags, he loves. How did you get

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<v Speaker 2>into it?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually have a background in our history. Really I have,

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<v Speaker 3>might agree is in our history. But my focus was costume.

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<v Speaker 2>I really I was gonna say, because you're very natalie dressed.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very well dressed, you have lovely hair and an

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<v Speaker 2>awesome printed blazer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I noticed you're a fan of vintage clothing, so

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<v Speaker 3>I wore a tiki blazer today.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you make this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I did so.

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<v Speaker 2>Side Oute. It's true that I have a collection of

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<v Speaker 2>vintage dresses. Not only do they never go out of style,

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<v Speaker 2>but just try to beat a twenty four dollars hands

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<v Speaker 2>sewn thrift store gown. This someone else farted in. You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>History is rich and I love it. So. Torri's blazer,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, was a replica of a type of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties tropical Polynesian style sports jacket which was unlined

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<v Speaker 2>so you could wear it in the tropics and not

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<v Speaker 2>schitz too hard. But the originals tend to be made

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<v Speaker 2>too small for this tall dude. So his work and

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<v Speaker 2>passion for historical textiles involved not just flags, but clothes too.

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<v Speaker 2>His career is like a rich tapestry, and it also

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<v Speaker 2>does involve tapestries.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you start dating, you can ability to date

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<v Speaker 3>clothes on and their usage, who use them because there

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<v Speaker 3>was a time where you know, the appearance of a

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<v Speaker 3>person would dictate maybe their economic class, occupation. And another thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I like to say that clothing is the most intimate

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<v Speaker 3>of artifacts that tells you about a specific individual.

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<v Speaker 2>And so does it make sense that you would also

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<v Speaker 2>be interested in a fabric banner that says a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about a country?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I did take a history of Texas class in

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<v Speaker 3>college and that was never covered. So on my final

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<v Speaker 3>I brought it up, and that was my argument. We

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<v Speaker 3>did not study these small pieces of cloth that have

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<v Speaker 3>affected history and have caused people to die or give

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<v Speaker 3>their life to over time.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't that was your final paper?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that was my final argument on the final for

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<v Speaker 3>that class.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you get what grade?

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<v Speaker 3>I passed nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Was your teacher for to write nice?

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<v Speaker 3>At the end, I think she reluctantly admitted that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't covered in class.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like next day A good point, all right, fine?

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<v Speaker 2>She waved the white flag if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So in his Costuming and Textiles final he argued that

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<v Speaker 2>flags were hugely important and they were like, guys, get

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<v Speaker 2>a point. As for the tiki culture throwback, it spans

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<v Speaker 2>at least a generation. So. Tory's mother was from Guam,

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<v Speaker 2>an island of Micronesia that's a US territory and side note,

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<v Speaker 2>has a very cute flag featuring a little blue background

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<v Speaker 2>and what looks like a tiny portal of a tropical

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<v Speaker 2>scene replete with a coconut tree and a canoe. And

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<v Speaker 2>it also has a border of red around it to

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<v Speaker 2>symbolize the hardships that the islands endured. It's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>great flag anyway. Torre's mom from Guam moved to Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>and worked in this famous tiki bar, Columbus's renown hangout,

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<v Speaker 2>the Kahiki Tiki Bar, until the family moved to Hawaii

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a teeny baby, and Tory spent his

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<v Speaker 2>summers between the Midwest and Guam. Honestly googled a Guam flag.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a girl Scout badge. It's very cute.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had kind of an interest in island culture

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<v Speaker 2>and a background in island culture.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in Hawaii. I was born in Columbus, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 3>and my parents moved to Hawaii I was maybe like

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<v Speaker 3>six months old.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and so you've lived in Hawaii most of your life. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And when did you kind of want to get into

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<v Speaker 2>the preservation of its art and artifacts.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've always liked things, stuff, and you know how

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<v Speaker 3>they work and when it comes. And when I went

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<v Speaker 3>to college and I saw, oh, art history, it's that,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you know, a little light bulb went off

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<v Speaker 3>and said, well, I can like study history in the

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<v Speaker 3>context of.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, history in the context of items, right, and now

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<v Speaker 2>tell me a little bit about what it takes to

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<v Speaker 2>get to know flags. Where did you start? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>start just perusing books?

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<v Speaker 3>So I read a lot as a child. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I had an encyclopedia at home, and I would read

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<v Speaker 3>the encyclopedia and just pull off a volume and start reading.

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<v Speaker 3>But my mother, for a short time, she was actually

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<v Speaker 3>working at an export company, so she would sell things

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<v Speaker 3>to the shops in Waikiki, but she worked for a

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<v Speaker 3>heraldry shop in Waikiki. What is that so haraldry? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>a heraldry shop would be one where that you would

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<v Speaker 3>go in and they would look up your name and

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<v Speaker 3>then they'd find the coat of arms for your name

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<v Speaker 3>and you could buy stuff with that quote of arms

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<v Speaker 3>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a picture of my own coat of arms actually.

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<v Speaker 3>So haraldry are coat of arms?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>They all have meaning, you know the shield where the

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<v Speaker 3>crest would have the quat of arms and it would

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<v Speaker 3>tell you something about that person, whether it was whether

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<v Speaker 3>they came from England or France or Germany, whether they

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<v Speaker 3>were the second born son, or what families married.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you kind of started with that was that

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<v Speaker 2>your entree was that like a creaky door.

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<v Speaker 3>So the heraldry leads to flags because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what's the difference between a flag and a pennant?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, howdy okay buckle up for some vexillological terminology.

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<v Speaker 3>So a flag is usually a rectangular attached to one

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<v Speaker 3>of its sides and can flutter in the wind, and

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<v Speaker 3>a pennant is usually a streamer oh either pointed, so

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<v Speaker 3>a triangular or maybe with a swallowtail. And the other

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<v Speaker 3>item would be a gonfolon. What so a gonfolon would

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the first time I had ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>the word gonfalon, but I looked it up and it's

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<v Speaker 2>essentially a squareish flag or a seal, sometimes little tassels

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom, and it's hung from a crossbar. It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seems like something you'd see at the head

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<v Speaker 2>of a formal procession, or like a mass. But also

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<v Speaker 2>a gonfalon sounds a little too close to Kurt Fonnegut's

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Faloon, which if you ever read Cat's you might

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<v Speaker 2>remember is the term for people who feel united but

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<v Speaker 2>are really only tethered together by an association that's utterly meaningless.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I started to spiral down an existential rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 2>I had to just snap out of it. Snap out

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<v Speaker 2>of it anyway. Torri has a ton of flags at home,

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked if they were kept in an orderly fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the best way to keep a flag rolled? Rolled? Okay? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>don't fold that thing unless it's specifically folded.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you can fold it, and interestingly not every country

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the US we have where you'd fold the

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<v Speaker 3>flag in quarters lengthwise and then you do a triangular fold.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one in the Navy tradition because you can leave

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<v Speaker 3>the flag folded, attach it to the halliard and pull

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<v Speaker 3>it up and it'll automatically unravel well. And so the

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<v Speaker 3>other common way, which the UK will do sometimes, and

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<v Speaker 3>I believe Japan, is where they fold it into quarters

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's folded into thirds and then rolled up

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<v Speaker 3>the last third and then tied with string. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I know in UK tradition that you'll use a small

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<v Speaker 3>piece of string attacked it to the halliard and then

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<v Speaker 3>when you pull it, when you give it a jerk,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll break the string and the flag infurls.

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<v Speaker 2>A too much fanfare and trumpetry correct fanfair fanfare This

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<v Speaker 2>is a trumpetery, not a word, okay, so quick aside.

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<v Speaker 2>Trumpetry is the blaring sound of trumpets, and fanfair is

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<v Speaker 2>a short and lively sounding of trumpets. So I hereby

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<v Speaker 2>give you permission to say a fanfare of trumpetry, just

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<v Speaker 2>to annoy anyone who's not a fan of redundant redundancies.

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<v Speaker 3>But not every country has flag protocols like the US.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think of, like how easy Japan has it.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're a kid and you have to draw your flag,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I got a dot in the middle, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>good to go. And then Mexico's like I got to

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<v Speaker 2>draw a serpent and some kind of bird. Some flags

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<v Speaker 2>are just geometric blocks, and then others have these drawings

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<v Speaker 2>on them that are difficult to replicate. Who decided what

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<v Speaker 2>goes on a flag?

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<v Speaker 3>So's it's usually the country, okay or the head of state.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So you look like a lot of older flags, they

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<v Speaker 3>are just you know, sometimes one, two, three colors, horizontal

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<v Speaker 3>lines or vertical lines, you know, stripes, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that goes back to heraldry where there was the king

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<v Speaker 3>and he might have a coat of arms and it

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<v Speaker 3>might have one or two colors, so you replicate that

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<v Speaker 3>on the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay? Quick aside about the Japanese flag also called

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<v Speaker 2>the hinumaro, so that big crimson dot is representing the

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<v Speaker 2>sun because Japan is known as the land of the

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<v Speaker 2>Rising Sun. And while their big signature red dot on

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<v Speaker 2>a field of white has been used since the fourteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>it was designed formerly in eighteen seventy, it wasn't legally

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<v Speaker 2>adopted until nineteen ninety nine. That's like being engaged for

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty nine years. Everyone just assumes you're married,

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<v Speaker 2>but really there's drama at home. So folks opposed didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like a certain shift toward post war nationalism, so adopting

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<v Speaker 2>it officially was a big deal. But it's been twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years since it's been the flag of Japan by law. Bonus.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty easy to draw, though, why is this a bonus?

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<v Speaker 2>According to the North American Vexillological Society's two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>six edict Good Flag, Bad Flag, there are a few

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<v Speaker 2>key principles to designing a good flag. The five principles

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<v Speaker 2>are keep it simple. The flag should be so simple

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<v Speaker 2>that a child can draw it from memory or an

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<v Speaker 2>adult who's bad at drawing too. Use meaningful symbolism. Number three,

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<v Speaker 2>use two or three basic colors. Number four no lettering

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<v Speaker 2>or seal. Never use writing of any kind or an

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<v Speaker 2>organization's seal that law's broken. A lot number five be

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<v Speaker 2>distinctive or be related, so avoid duplicating other flags, but

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<v Speaker 2>use some similarities to show connections. Anyone who heard Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Mars Spectacular twenty fifteen ted talk on city flags might

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<v Speaker 2>be familiar with these flag fashion dues and don'ts, which

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<v Speaker 2>make us all now qualified flag critics. Now, Mexico, I

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<v Speaker 2>love you your flag. What the hell man? Growing up

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<v Speaker 2>trying to draw the flag of Mexico with this ordinate

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<v Speaker 2>eagle eating a serpent well perched on a prickly pair.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an exercise of childhood artistic humility, or really

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone without a studio art degree. But I did

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<v Speaker 2>some reading and knowing it's a symbol delivered by a

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<v Speaker 2>god of war via a dream to an Aztec leader

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<v Speaker 2>about where to settle what's now Mexico City, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, yes, this flag is very badass and it's

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful, and I love it Mexico. Please don't be

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<v Speaker 2>offended if my rendition looks like a cat eating a noodle. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as we talked, I was holding this small version of

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<v Speaker 2>the Hawaiian flag, this red, white and blue striping number

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<v Speaker 2>with a British flag where the US stars would be

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<v Speaker 2>on a US flag. What's happening here? And now? Why

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<v Speaker 2>do you think red, white, blue? Why are those colors

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<v Speaker 2>so common? Or do I just think they're common because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm holding a red, white and blue flag in the

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<v Speaker 2>country that I was born and has those colors.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in the US, we referred to it as red,

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<v Speaker 3>white and blue. Hawaii, it's white, red, and blue. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's the order of precedence for the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, so when you say red, white and blue

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<v Speaker 2>on an American flag, does that mean that the red

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<v Speaker 2>stripes on top?

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<v Speaker 3>So the reds red and white, and then blue is

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<v Speaker 3>for the union or the canton, which is that field

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<v Speaker 3>on the side.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, gives.

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<v Speaker 3>There are parts of the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, give me break me down some anatomy one to

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<v Speaker 2>one on a flag.

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<v Speaker 3>So flags are usually a square rectangular and the part

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<v Speaker 3>that attaches to the halliard, which is the rope that

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<v Speaker 3>pulls it up and down, that's called the hoist. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite side is called the fly, and usually the

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<v Speaker 3>top is the top or the head, and the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bottom is that where on the fly comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>On the fly being ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know, like, oh, I'm on the fly,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm on the I don't know. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>look it up. Okay. Side note on the fly is

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<v Speaker 2>not a vexillo logical idiom. It comes from baseball, like

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<v Speaker 2>a flyball and to recap flagnatomy. So the field is

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<v Speaker 2>the main area and the canton is the picture in

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<v Speaker 2>picture area. And these specific terms were necessary because in

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<v Speaker 2>the oldie time of days, you couldn't just air drop

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<v Speaker 2>your design. You had to like scream it into a

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<v Speaker 2>tin can connected to another tin can and then etch

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<v Speaker 2>it via a spent match stick on some birch bark

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<v Speaker 2>and then let an owl grasp it in its talons

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<v Speaker 2>to drop off at the weaver. Now we're in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 2>Fiftieth star.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Now there wasn't a forty ninth star flag right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it Alaska and Hawaii same time, because.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't change the US flag until July fourth of

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<v Speaker 3>the following year.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't. Yes, oh my gosh, So they were admitted

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, less.

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<v Speaker 3>Within within the twelve month span to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice because that would have been a little bit awkward.

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<v Speaker 3>So there, I understand. There are a few fortnite star

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<v Speaker 3>flags made, but they just delayed it and fifty stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we have a fifty star flag. What about say

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<v Speaker 2>Puerto Rico or Guam. Let's say those become states in

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<v Speaker 2>the future. What would we do with a fifty first?

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<v Speaker 2>Could we put it anywhere?

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<v Speaker 3>It would have to go back to design and they

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<v Speaker 3>would figure out where if they would change the arrangement

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<v Speaker 3>of the field, because there were times throughout the US

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<v Speaker 3>history where the arrangements of stars changed. I mean people

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<v Speaker 3>are familiar with the Betsy Ross flag where they're in

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<v Speaker 3>a circle. I mean during the Civil War. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 3>over lined up. Sometimes they were arranged in circles with

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, quick aside, is the Betsy Ross flag origin story?

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<v Speaker 2>Flim Philam, what's the deal? So a little more on

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<v Speaker 2>that in a bit, But a fun fact. Some folks,

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<v Speaker 2>but not all, used the thirteen star Betsy Ross flag

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<v Speaker 2>as a throwback to pre abolition days, which is gross

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<v Speaker 2>and scary some people, probably a slim minority. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>continue the discussion about US territories and plunging a flag

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<v Speaker 2>into them. Why aren't territories such as for example, Guam

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<v Speaker 2>in Puerto Rico and the US Region Islands and American

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<v Speaker 2>Samoa states. So this is a discussion called the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>first state. And as of a twenty seventeen referendum, ninety

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<v Speaker 2>percent of voters in Puerto Rico shows statehood, although their

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<v Speaker 2>voter turnout was pretty low, so it's hard to say

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<v Speaker 2>how many people in Puerto Rico and general support it.

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<v Speaker 2>So why are some US territories states and others aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this just simply a design issue? Heads up the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty first state debate? Probably as not a design issue.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, as a high school student, a guy named

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Heft heard that Alaska was set to become the

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine state, and so a class project, he took

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<v Speaker 2>his parents' flag with forty eight stars on it then

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<v Speaker 2>and spend days arranging fifty stars on it. His teacher

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<v Speaker 2>thought his projects sucked gave him a BNS, so Heft,

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<v Speaker 2>looking for some extra credit, he petitioned Congress to accept

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<v Speaker 2>it as the new fifty star design after Hawaii and

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska became states, HA, and it's been in rotation ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Heff says he has a fifty one star flag

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<v Speaker 2>ready should the country keep expanding, So no, the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one state debate probably is not just a design issue,

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<v Speaker 2>goes a little deeper than that. And now do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's any hold up in maybe adding more

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<v Speaker 2>states because we feel too lazy to change the flag?

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<v Speaker 3>Got room for one more? Well, they could decide not

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<v Speaker 3>add stars for any additional states.

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<v Speaker 2>And what are the most common colors in flags that

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<v Speaker 3>Red, white, and blue are pretty prevalent globally for flags.

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<v Speaker 2>What do they mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they have varying degrees. So in the US they

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<v Speaker 3>do have a few poems, and we could actually look

422
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<v Speaker 3>up The Elks Lodge has a really nice poem and

423
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<v Speaker 3>describes the red, white and blue of the flag beautifully,

424
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<v Speaker 3>very very poetically.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did find on usflag dot Org that the

426
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<v Speaker 2>colors red, white, and blue did not have meanings for

427
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<v Speaker 2>America when it was adopted on the flag in seventeen

428
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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven. However, the colors of the Great Seal did

429
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<v Speaker 2>have specific meanings. So Charles Thompson, Secretary of the Continental Congress,

430
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<v Speaker 2>reporting to Congress on the Seal, stated that white signifies

431
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<v Speaker 2>purity and innocence, red heartiness and valor and blue signifies vigilance, perseverance,

432
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<v Speaker 2>and justice. So it was on the seal and they

433
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<v Speaker 2>were like, I just use it on the flag, kind

434
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<v Speaker 2>of like eating leftover pizza for breakfast, which is also

435
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<v Speaker 2>very American. So I looked all over for this Elks

436
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<v Speaker 2>Lodge poem and I swear I could not find it.

437
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<v Speaker 2>But I did find out that Idaho and Michigan both

438
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<v Speaker 2>have elks on their flags. Michigan has what appears to

439
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<v Speaker 2>be an elk dan with a moose over a banner

440
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<v Speaker 2>that reads circumspice, which I just learned in Latin is

441
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<v Speaker 2>care com speak and it means hey, look around you.

442
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<v Speaker 2>So Michigan, look around you. Maybe you'll see an elk

443
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<v Speaker 2>dancing with a moose. God, that'd be dope. Do you

444
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<v Speaker 2>ever have people show you a picture of a flag

445
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<v Speaker 2>and quiz you to see if you know where it's from.

446
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<v Speaker 3>They don't quiz me. But every once in a while

447
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<v Speaker 3>we will run across flags somewhere with some group and

448
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<v Speaker 3>they were, is this from? And I have to look

449
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<v Speaker 3>at it. I don't have all the flags rise. It

450
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<v Speaker 3>would be great, it'd be a great trivia. But in

451
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<v Speaker 3>my daily work, my vexol logical duties usually fall under

452
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<v Speaker 3>what would be the job of the protocol officer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that would be determining order of precedents of flags.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, we're very specific about it. There are

455
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<v Speaker 2>approximately one million rules in terms of how to fly

456
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<v Speaker 2>an American flag. But I will summer rise. So the

457
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<v Speaker 2>US flag always goes on the left when you're looking

458
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<v Speaker 2>at it, or on the tallest of the flag poles,

459
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<v Speaker 2>or on the top of the flag pole with the

460
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<v Speaker 2>state in the city flag under it. And you can't

461
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<v Speaker 2>fly an advertising flag on the same pole as the

462
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<v Speaker 2>US flag. So if anyone's out there messing it up

463
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<v Speaker 2>with their city flag and a banner for Meta mucil

464
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<v Speaker 2>and the US flag all on one pole, that's a

465
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<v Speaker 2>real mess.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, so you go from larger political entity the smaller

467
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<v Speaker 3>political entity. But like the Olympics, when you have all

468
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<v Speaker 3>the countries present, what order do you put them in?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So, Olympic comvitee is usually alphabetical order of the language

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<v Speaker 3>of the host of the host country. Oh so when

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<v Speaker 3>you see the procession of flags, it's in the alphabetical

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<v Speaker 3>order of the language of the host country.

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<v Speaker 2>The language of the host country, right, Okay, where do

475
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<v Speaker 2>these rules get stored. Are they in a big dusty

476
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<v Speaker 2>book or do you have to check on a website

477
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<v Speaker 2>that changes all the time.

478
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<v Speaker 3>The big dusty book is called the US Flag Code.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how old is it? How thick is this book?

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<v Speaker 3>But fortunately the US Government Printing Office does have a

481
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<v Speaker 3>publication called Our Flag which can be distributed and has

482
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<v Speaker 3>pictures in it, so you know how to put flags

483
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<v Speaker 3>on display, and you know if they're going to be

484
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<v Speaker 3>crossed or if they go If you put them across

485
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<v Speaker 3>the North South street, the union has to be on

486
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<v Speaker 3>the north side or if it crosses the It details

487
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<v Speaker 3>all these in the US Flag Code.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you a person that likes etiquette because it's interesting

489
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<v Speaker 2>and kind of vintage and like Emily Postyle, or are

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<v Speaker 2>do you begrudgingly acknowledge and adhere to etiquette.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have a coffee of family post home and

492
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<v Speaker 3>at work, and at work I also keep Letitia Baldridge

493
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<v Speaker 3>as well.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about Letitia Baldridge.

495
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<v Speaker 3>So she was the protocol officer at the White House

496
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<v Speaker 3>for over two decades.

497
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<v Speaker 2>I will be very honest. Protocol and etiquette freaks me

498
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<v Speaker 2>out because there are so many tiny quiet ways to fail.

499
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<v Speaker 2>So you either have to go all in and reads

500
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<v Speaker 2>manners or Emily Post or just screw it and always

501
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 2>be the social equivalent of a rhino with diarrhea, which

502
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I sometimes fear I am. And how about your wife?

503
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<v Speaker 2>Is she as much of a stickler for etiquette or

504
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 2>do you kind of make sure that you guys send

505
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<v Speaker 2>presents in the right amount of time and write thank

506
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<v Speaker 2>your notes? Are you guys different? We try, we try,

507
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<v Speaker 2>just she have kind of the same vibe.

508
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<v Speaker 3>I'll say, we try, well, we will refer we will

509
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<v Speaker 3>refer to well, we will have morning discussions where you know,

510
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<v Speaker 3>it'll be like we'll go to the OED or sometimes

511
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<v Speaker 3>said Emily Post does does live next to the OED

512
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<v Speaker 3>When we have our morning discussions over breakfast, sometimes have

513
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<v Speaker 3>questions that come up, and so we'll just we'll just

514
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<v Speaker 3>read the dictionary or etiquete manual over breakfast conversation.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a flagpole at your house?

516
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<v Speaker 3>Before I was married, I had a flag pole in

517
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<v Speaker 3>my house and outside my.

518
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<v Speaker 2>House really now just one the inside stay out all

519
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the time, and outside you have to take and put

520
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 2>up every day.

521
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<v Speaker 3>I have a light, okay, so I can leave the

522
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 3>flag up twenty four. But I do not always fly

523
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.559
<v Speaker 3>the US flag. Okay, So actually I very rarely fly

524
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<v Speaker 3>the US flag on my flag pole outdoors, and where

525
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 3>I used to live before, it was near my door,

526
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>you know how you have it on your Yeah, your

527
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 3>on your front porch. And I had neighbors and they

528
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 3>would kind of get a kick out of it, and

529
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 3>sometimes they didn't figure out what it was. So I'll

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<v Speaker 3>fly a flag relating to the date it's October third,

531
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<v Speaker 3>or a specific or significant event. And so if they

532
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 3>don't know, they'll come over say, oh, what's today or

533
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<v Speaker 3>what's tomorrow.

534
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<v Speaker 2>How many flags do you have? Oh?

535
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, so like what one hundred or so

536
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<v Speaker 3>one hundred.

537
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<v Speaker 2>So you change them out, yes, like every couple of days.

538
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 3>As the mood is fit or weather, because you know,

539
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>you can't have a storm flag, which is usually a

540
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 3>smaller flag you fly in the same pole, so you

541
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 3>don't your big flag doesn't get as beat up. God,

542
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.200
<v Speaker 3>And so I if it's stormy, I won't fly a flag,

543
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.200
<v Speaker 3>but I will have flags like you know, like for

544
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.880
<v Speaker 3>October flesh, I'll fly the Bavarian flag. For royal holidays

545
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 3>in Hawaii, I do fly the Royal standard, and I

546
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.440
<v Speaker 3>do have some of the standards of the monarchs and

547
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 3>some of the princesses. There's ANZAC Day or you know

548
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Canada Day or Australia Day. I'll fly the appropriate flag.

549
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Or ANZAC by the by, it stands for Australian and

550
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand Army Corps and it's the Australian version of

551
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Memorial Day. But it's in April and about a month later.

552
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Australia also recognizes Aboriginal suffering with Sorry Day. I mean,

553
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>simple to the point, and among the activities on Sorry

554
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Day is raising the Aboriginal flag, which is a really

555
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>beautiful design of a black top half representing the Aboriginal

556
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 2>people of Australia, a red bottom half for the earth

557
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and the ochre that they use in ceremonies, and in

558
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the middle a yellow circle for the sun. Beautiful, simple, gorgeous.

559
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<v Speaker 2>What about did you put out a pride flag at all?

560
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Or is that is that in the neighborhood.

561
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.519
<v Speaker 3>I am in receipt, it's still in my office of

562
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 3>a pride flag from San Francisco from the mayor.

563
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, so.

564
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I haven't, I haven't. It's a really nice flag, because

565
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I will use the flight of the economy flags at home.

566
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a nice flag, so I have one, I

567
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 3>just haven't. It's a nice flag.

568
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<v Speaker 2>So side note. We recorded this in late June, which

569
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<v Speaker 2>was Pride month, and that led me down a rabbit

570
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>hole to the history of the Pride flag. And it

571
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>was designed by the late artist and activist Gilbert Baker

572
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<v Speaker 2>before the nineteen seventy eight Gay Freedom Day Parade in

573
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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, and it initially had eight stripes and they

574
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<v Speaker 2>each had specific meeting. It had a hot pink stripe

575
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>that stood for sex, red stood for life, orange, healing, yellow, sunlight,

576
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>green nature, turquoise, magic and art, Indigo, serenity, and violet spirit.

577
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 2>But hot pink fabric was hard to come by in

578
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the seventies apparently, and eventually the turquoise in the indigo

579
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>were just blended into one royal blue stripe. And Gilbert

580
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Baker was a huge part of shaping Pride culture. And

581
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>he was also an activist with a drag nun group,

582
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 2>the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. His nickname Busty Ross. So

583
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<v Speaker 2>after you're done flippy flapping them around outside, do you

584
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>have to iron them, breeze them. What's the protocol? And

585
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>what about washing flags?

586
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.119
<v Speaker 3>How do you wash them so you can get them

587
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 3>drag cleaned. Oh so, flags nowadays are made out of

588
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.319
<v Speaker 3>typically nylon, polyester, or cotton. Historically they were made out

589
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 3>of wool or so much more hearty material. I kind

590
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 3>of like polyester because you can get polyester that it

591
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 3>will have the texture of wool. It'll it'll flow nicely

592
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 3>in the breeze. Nylon's a little different and depending on

593
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 3>the matrol dictates how long it'll lasts. And cotton. Cotton

594
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 3>can be nice, but if cotton gets wet, the colors

595
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 3>do or can and run.

596
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>And isn't it these colors don't run, So don't put

597
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 2>a cotton flag outside in the rain, Okay, but maybe

598
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>go for a polyester or an island one.

599
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Correct or wool if you want to make it yourself.

600
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Can you get a wolf flag?

601
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>It's very rare to get a wolf flag. You can

602
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 3>have when made, so you can actually do like have

603
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 3>a flag company make you a flag and they'll still

604
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 3>be like hand stitched. And there are companies that make

605
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 3>flags in the US, and there's still people that in

606
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 3>the factory that will hands sell the flag together.

607
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh, but you got to use some cedar chips or something,

608
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>because like, what could be worse than having a moth

609
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 2>eat your your flag?

610
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, you fold it up and you put in a case.

611
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel when someone drapes themselves in a

612
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>flag for their album covers? I'm thinking there's got to

613
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 2>be like ten different musicians who have done that.

614
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 3>That's what bunting is for.

615
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 2>What is bunting?

616
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 3>So bunting are pieces of material in red and white

617
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 3>stripes or sometimes with blue and white stufs that are

618
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>reminiscent of a flag, but not a flag.

619
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<v Speaker 2>What makes them different? They are different lengths.

620
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 3>What's not the ratio of a flag with a field

621
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 3>of red and white stripes and the Union in the

622
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 3>It's usually maybe a long piece of fabric that's just

623
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe two or three stripes of color and maybe stars

624
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 3>on one end or not.

625
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>That would be kind of like a costume flag.

626
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Or you can put it on your patio on the

627
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.839
<v Speaker 3>fourth of July or decorate your float or maybe your

628
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 3>speaker's podium. You decorate it with bunting.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are you going to do for further July

630
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<v Speaker 2>fourth of.

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<v Speaker 3>July, I will fly the Betsy Ross flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, And now I need to look up her story.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like her story? Is it worth telling? Or

634
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<v Speaker 2>are you like, eh, it's apocryphal.

635
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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, there are theories on who or who

636
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>came about with the flag, and there is some evidence

637
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>for that she did so a flag and with the

638
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 3>stars in the circle arrangement. Will acknowledge that as being

639
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>the Betsy Ross design, although there were other designs at

640
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<v Speaker 3>the time.

641
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Is there any truth to George Washington's wife?

642
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 3>So there's a story that's passed down through the Ross

643
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 3>family that says, you know, they were a meeting and

644
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 3>the generals got together and Mitch Ross was the wife

645
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>of one of the generals and Washington was there. They

646
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 3>did a little sketch and so she sowed the flag.

647
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 3>And so there is that story that's the truth.

648
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>What do you think happened?

649
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 3>There were other flags that were flown by American patriots

650
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 3>at the time. I mean we from them are familiar with,

651
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 3>like the Bunker Hill flag or the Gatson flag, that

652
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 3>don't tread on me flag, And so you have these

653
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 3>other flags that were used during the American Revolution, and

654
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 3>the red and white, or the stars and stripes as

655
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 3>they came to be called, you know, really became the

656
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<v Speaker 3>one that was accepted nationally.

657
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about the don't tread on me flag?

658
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It's fine, you know they had. It's another flag that

659
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 3>has its uses and and some people have adopted it

660
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 3>today to mean other things.

661
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Right. Gadson's flag side note is primarily mustard yellow, and

662
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it features this impossibly coiled and I guess ready to

663
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>strike rattlesnake with thirteen rattles representing the original colonies. It

664
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<v Speaker 2>dates back to that time and it's sometimes used in

665
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 2>modern day by conservative parties to harken back I guess

666
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to an arrow when the country was smaller and we

667
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't have indoor plumbing, and rattlesnakes were able to hover

668
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>in the air like a broken mattress. Spring must have

669
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>been a wild era. But there are some mocking don't

670
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 2>tread on me memes that are just a source of

671
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 2>priceless parody. I suggest you google these. One of my

672
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 2>favorites involves a cartoon baby snake that just says please

673
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>no STEPPI, and another of a foot on the snake

674
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and the text below it. I specifically requested the opposite

675
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 2>of this, and then there's one that retains the original

676
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>don't tread on me text, but just the image of

677
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>a single lego anyway, changing up flags for fun. So

678
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 2>do you have a calendar memorized or do you have

679
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.599
<v Speaker 2>a planner that has like, hey, change flag today.

680
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I try and write significant dates online calendar.

681
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 2>That's smart. Do you check it every day?

682
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I still have a written calendar? Oh, got me toy,

683
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm very low check. I have a wall calendar on

684
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.599
<v Speaker 3>my wallet home and a desk calendar on my desk

685
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 3>at work. And they're both handwritten notations, so they have

686
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 3>to have big squares so you can put things in them.

687
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>And I'll just go back and forth and check. And

688
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 3>there are a few historical calendars out there that are

689
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 3>really fun to look at, you know, that have that

690
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know on this day in history, and

691
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 3>so you can you know, add those to your calendars

692
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 3>which ever seem the significant or that you enjoy and

693
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 3>put them on your calendar.

694
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you're in the US, September's got a few

695
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>flag worthy days. This episode will come out on Labor Day,

696
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the evening of you can celebrate Unions September eleventh, the

697
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>flags will be flown at half staff or half masked

698
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're on a boat. Constitution Day aka numalogy a

699
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Clock is September seventeenth. There is National Prisoner of War

700
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and Missing in Action Day September nineteenth, and Native America

701
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Day is September twenty seventh in California and Nevada, but

702
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Indigenous People's Day is the second Monday of October nationwide.

703
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>This led me to a website that sold flags, CRW

704
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 2>flags dot com, and they have all manner of banners,

705
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>including some with different dog breeds emblazoned on it. Wouldn't

706
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you know it that CRW Flags themselves have a flag.

707
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a red, white and blue one and it says

708
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 2>CRW Flags in brush script. It's a choice, it's an

709
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>artistic choice. Do you have a favorite looking flag, one

710
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that you're just like? Man? I wish we had that one?

711
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, one of my favorite flags. Is hard to tell

712
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 3>which one is your favorite because there's a there's a

713
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.440
<v Speaker 3>flag I fly a lot at home. But a really

714
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 3>cool looking flag is Ohio?

715
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 2>What really? I'm sorry, Ohio for doubting you. Okay, tell

716
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:49.239
<v Speaker 2>me about it.

717
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a swallow tail pennant.

718
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Damn, Ohio, I had no idea you had what patent

719
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>holding flag designer John Eisman describes as a quote triangular,

720
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 2>forked or swallowed tailed flag, corresponding to the shape generally

721
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>known as a cavalriquid on or broad pennant. So beloved

722
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>is Ohio's flag. It's even sold as a necklace. So

723
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>a patented pennant pendant, if I may be a pedant, So.

724
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 3>That means it's pointy. But then the end isn't a point.

725
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 3>It's got a swallowtail in it, so it can you

726
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 3>can fly it upside down. It still looks right side up.

727
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 3>But who else has a swallow tail pennant?

728
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>No one? How they get so fancy they got tuxtails.

729
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's all about the hills and the valleys and

730
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>the rivers of Ohio.

731
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh Man and ever. The rest of us all just

732
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 2>have squares.

733
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you look at the flag code, so there

734
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 3>is a government specification on the ratio of the flag,

735
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.400
<v Speaker 3>the height in the width, and some states and other

736
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 3>munispallets have different sizes. So some flags are a little

737
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 3>more square, some are a little more rectangular. But most

738
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 3>of us, in practical usage will fly what's referred to

739
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 3>as the NATO standard.

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00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, some standard sizes three by five, four x six.

741
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 2>But what's the smallest flag? You want to know? Is

742
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it the size of like your thumbnail, be your pinky nail? Smaller?

743
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Is it the size of a crumb of banana bread? Oh,

744
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you have no idea. So I looked it up and

745
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 2>according to the Guinness Book of World Records, there exists

746
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a flag that is one one hundredth the width of

747
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>a human hair. It's only viewable with an electron microscope.

748
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Who made this? What wizardry is this? What is on

749
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 2>the flag a maple leaf? And it was made with

750
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>UV photo lithography on a wafer coated with electron sensitive

751
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:48.000
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen sal sequiozane film by the Institute for Quantum Computing

752
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>NanoFab in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I'm pretty sure I said

753
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>some of those words wrong. Please bear with me, nanotechnologists, Canadians.

754
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>This achievement is small, but it is mighty. It's absurdly awesome,

755
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and it makes the palm size Hawaiian flag. Torri gave

756
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>me it seems gargantuan in comparison. And now, okay, tell

757
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit about the Hawaiian flag, because what

758
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I know from being here this week is that there

759
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>are great ways to make a statement with a flag

760
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't realize that you could do. And so

761
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the Hawaiian flag, how would you describe it?

762
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 3>The Hawaiian flag is rectangular, the ratio is one to two, okay.

763
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 3>It has a field of h stripes with white, red

764
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 3>and blue alternating and a union jack in the canton.

765
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 2>How did they come up with this design?

766
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 3>So it was during the reign of Comme hand Me

767
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 3>the first where Hawaii started trading, and so ships needed

768
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 3>ways to recognize themself when they went to foreign ports.

769
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 3>And so when Hawaii started trading outside of Hawaii, it

770
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 3>needed a flag to be recognized, and so they came

771
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 3>up with the Hawaiian flag, and it was drafted by

772
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 3>a British officer.

773
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Side note. Kamer Maya the Great was a ruler who

774
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>united the Hawaiian Islands in the late seventeen hundreds. And

775
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>here's a fun tidbit.

776
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 4>His full name is Colony put Yer for here Kalekini

777
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Klikui kamemer oh your leney ekibik pooh kaui khly holy

778
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 4>ho ku nu ya ka.

779
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Another fun tidbit, I did not say that Hawaiian born

780
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 2>patron Iris McPherson did because I did not trust my

781
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>mouth and brain and eyes to get it together.

782
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.079
<v Speaker 4>On her colony put yer for here kale kini KLi

783
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 4>kui kamemer oh your leney ekibik pooh kaui khly holy.

784
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Ho ku nu ya ka. Anyway, ruled through eighteen nineteen,

785
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and this has nothing to do with anything, but one

786
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of his wives took the throne after his death, and

787
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>among the things she changed was that women were finally

788
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>allowed to eat bananas. It's bananas. She was also Protestant.

789
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of badness with missionaries. Eventually, the

790
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>US took control of the Kingdom of Hawaii in eighteen

791
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>ninety three in an overthrow that Congress Assistance admitted was illegal.

792
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Which is why, just in general, a Union jack flag

793
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>seems a little awkward. It's kind of like dating someone

794
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>who still has their excess named tattooed on their stomach,

795
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that was a toxic relationship, but also they

796
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>never wanted to date you, but you're forcing them illegally. Anyway,

797
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 2>everyone just shrugs like wow, that's a lot of bad stuff.

798
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 3>And it does hold the Union Jack because of the

799
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 3>close alliance between Hawaii and Britain at the time. Now,

800
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 3>come hand me. The first liked flags too, so he

801
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 3>would just fly whatever flag he liked at his compound.

802
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, what is flown most commonly in Hawaii?

803
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 3>You see the Hawaiian flag. Now, the Hawaiian flag, as

804
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 3>far as I know, is the only flag that has

805
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>flown unchanged for five different forms of government.

806
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Why is that? Why didn't they switch it up at all?

807
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 3>I guess for continuity. I mean it flew under a

808
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 3>absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy, a republic, a territory, and a state,

809
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 3>and they did not change the.

810
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Flag when it became a state. The US didn't say like, okay,

811
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 2>real cute, you got a Union Jack. That air is

812
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 2>over people.

813
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it was the territory and they just

814
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 3>they kept the flag.

815
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>And I have heard a little bit about the way

816
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the flag is flown can express different viewpoints, sentiments, protestations.

817
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps is it flown upside down right side? What? What

818
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 2>does it mean?

819
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 3>So when a flag or any flag is flown upside

820
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 3>down or visibly upside down, it's a sign of distress,

821
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 3>a little helpless. So it's usually like maybe sending out

822
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>an SOS signal to somebody, because there was a time

823
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.920
<v Speaker 3>where flags were our communication. So when a ship came

824
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 3>into port and you're expecting somebody to be on that ship,

825
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 3>if you saw their flag at half mast mask on

826
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>a ship, you knew somebody had passed away. If it

827
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.079
<v Speaker 3>was flying upside down, you know that that ship was

828
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 3>in trouble or distress.

829
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, you'd have to know a little bit about

830
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the flag that you're looking at.

831
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Correct right, And then some flags they look the same

832
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 3>right side, right side up or upside down.

833
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, what do you do?

834
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 3>There'd be in trouble.

835
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so what does it mean in the Hawaiian

836
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 2>flag if it's flown upside.

837
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Down, Well, that is a sign of distress, and some

838
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.000
<v Speaker 3>people in Hawaii do flat upside down as a sign

839
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 3>of protests.

840
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I found it fascinating that we were told by guides like, oh,

841
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you look at the flag this way,

842
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that was a pretty powerful statement. It's

843
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>funny that the flag is demands a certain kind of

844
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 2>respect and that the people can talk back to authority

845
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 2>by using the signal of the authority itself.

846
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, So there is some protests, I mean there

847
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 3>have been that, there has been a sovereignty move in Hawaii,

848
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 3>and currently there is actually a antied development movement in

849
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 3>some locations of Hawaiian So they'll fly the flag upside

850
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 3>down as a protest.

851
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>So inverting a flag has long been a statement by

852
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 2>indigenous populations, and a Lakota activist, Russell Means, once said

853
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 2>an upside down flag is an international sign of distress.

854
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Now we the Indian nations are in distress. I will

855
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.079
<v Speaker 2>wear this flag upside down as long as my people

856
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 2>are in distress. Tori says, you can fly the Hawaiian

857
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Royal standard flag upside down instead of the Hawaiian flag

858
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 2>if say you're supporting the Hawaiian sovereignty movement or protesting

859
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the building of the thirty meter telescope on top of

860
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a sacred volcanic summit. Remember, Tory is a gentle soul

861
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>who respects etiquette, but protests aren't necessarily supposed to tiptoe

862
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>around the feelings of the oppressors. Now, if you're going

863
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.679
<v Speaker 2>to piss someone off of a flag, you got to

864
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 2>make it a real burn. Ooh which reminds me if

865
00:44:58.039 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 2>you burn the flag, will you get thrown in jail.

866
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 3>So you can burn the flag on the first Amendment,

867
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.760
<v Speaker 3>but you may also burn a flag to dispose of it.

868
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 3>So there are a couple of ways of disposing a flag.

869
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 3>So when a flag is tattered or worn so it

870
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 3>is a rectangle, and when the ends freight, you can

871
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, hem it so you can get some more

872
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 3>life out of it. But when it starts really falling apart,

873
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 3>the color is really fade, you can cut it up

874
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>so it's no longer flag. You know, you cut out

875
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 3>the canton so it's just the stripes and you just

876
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 3>cut up into little pieces. Then you can throw it

877
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 3>away because it's no longer flag, or you can ceremoniously

878
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 3>burn it. And so I know a lot of veterans

879
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 3>groups and a few scout groups that will do it.

880
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 3>So if you have your you know, you take your

881
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 3>flag to your local flag shop. They may be able

882
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.199
<v Speaker 3>to give it to somebody and it's usually folded and

883
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 3>then placed on a fire.

884
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was thinking you just toss it in like

885
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 2>an old bath towel, but that makes more sense that

886
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 2>you would do it more ceremoniously.

887
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Because it is it is a national symbol, so you

888
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.400
<v Speaker 3>can treat it with signs of respect and even the

889
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.960
<v Speaker 3>touching the ground. I mean, okay, if you're somewhere and

890
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.760
<v Speaker 3>a flag falls down, you didn't mean for that, that's okay,

891
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>But you know you don't want to drag the flag

892
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 3>on the ground purposefully. You know you want to take

893
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 3>care of this national symbol because you have to remember time.

894
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we use the term flag, but they're also

895
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.119
<v Speaker 3>known as standards, are colors. So when you were in

896
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 3>a unit or you went to battle, it's not like

897
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 3>you had like you know, you didn't go to their

898
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 3>flagstore and buy twenty flags. No, you had a flag.

899
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 3>You had your color guard who would protect the colors

900
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 3>along with the color bearer or the color sergeant. And

901
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 3>that was your rallying pointer nationals or your symbol of

902
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 3>your unit or your nation. So that was your one flag.

903
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 3>You didn't have lots of flags going around, Okay.

904
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.880
<v Speaker 2>So side note, Back in the day, wars would be

905
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>won or lost based on the flag, Like if someone

906
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>snatched your flag, you lost a war. Hence the game

907
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Capture the Flag. So if you're a person who's like

908
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 2>let's just be a fabric. Everyone just chill out. I

909
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>e me Ali Ward. I guess you have to see

910
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it in the context of a bunch of dead people

911
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 2>to whom these colorful tablecloths meant they had new overlords.

912
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And now what do you think of people who put

913
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 2>American flags on their cars? Around fourth of July or

914
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 2>after September eleventh? Did you ever see that? Did you

915
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>guys have that here?

916
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Why not do that more often?

917
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm wondering about that. I mean, this is a

918
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>side note, super side note. But around after September eleventh,

919
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember I did road trip and I happened to

920
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>go to Las Vegas to meet up with some people

921
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 2>from work. Aside the point, I kept seeing these flags

922
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road and tumbleweeds, and so

923
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I started to pull over and get them because I

924
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>thought it was so interesting that they were just being

925
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>shed from cars like this Patriotism was kind of sluffing.

926
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Off, fell off the car, okay, yeah.

927
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And so I would see one up ahead, I'd see

928
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the red in a bush or a tumbleweed, and i'd

929
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 2>I had a meod at the time, and it'd screwed

930
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 2>so dangerous and then I'd go out and i'd grab

931
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the flag, and then I had a sharpie and I

932
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>would mark where I got it from and the date,

933
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.079
<v Speaker 2>and then I would roll it up and put it

934
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>all together. And I did it. It's been it's been

935
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 2>eighteen years since September eleventh, and I think I have

936
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>like fifty or one hundred flags. Then they're from all

937
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>over the country from just driving and being like, oh

938
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>there's one, and I've missed so many because it would

939
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>have been.

940
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 3>So you're axologist.

941
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I like, it's like I'm a vexillologists and I want

942
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 2>to put them up somewhere. But it's interesting to me

943
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 2>how they're different textures, different amounts of tattered. But I

944
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 2>wondered how a vexillologist felt about automotive ones if they're

945
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.599
<v Speaker 2>prone to falling off. Is that like, yay, you're flying

946
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it or oh no, you're endangering it.

947
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, do you like having a flag on a car?

948
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 3>And you know there are those devices that you can

949
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>clip to your window, but there is also there's actually

950
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 3>a protocol for attaching it to vehicles.

951
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Really what is it?

952
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 3>So you don't see it too often anymore, But there

953
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.119
<v Speaker 3>was the time where you'd actually have a post physically

954
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 3>mounted to like the front bumper of your car, and

955
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 3>so it's very very secure, and the flag would be

956
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 3>on there, and the flag is not just stable, it's

957
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 3>actually well attached to the post. And then you could

958
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 3>drive around with the flag on the.

959
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Vehicle, almost like a presidential motorcade situation. Correct. I feel

960
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.559
<v Speaker 2>like that's the only time I've seen one like that,

961
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 2>is like on a presidential limousine, and.

962
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 3>I have seated on like flag officers.

963
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Let's switch gears from automotive flags to global ones. Guess

964
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 2>how many countries are in the world. Before I Google

965
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 2>this today, I was like one thousand, four million. I

966
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>had no idea there are one hundred and ninety five,

967
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>which means there are one hundred and nine country flags

968
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you can memorize to impress people. My nephew did this,

969
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 2>he was seven. We were all very impressed. Now, what

970
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>do you do if you don't have a brain as

971
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 2>sharp as a seven year old? I bet that there

972
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>are flash cards where you can flash a card and

973
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>have to guess. There's got to be a There got

974
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 2>to be a parlor.

975
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Game there that was more common in the nineteenth century.

976
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 3>You'd have like member of secret cards mm hmm, And

977
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 3>so you'd have secret cards that's flags on them, and

978
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 3>just so you could carry these around and think, oh,

979
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 3>I know what that flag looks likegger, I know what

980
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 3>this flag looks blagger.

981
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It's back in the it back in the day. I

982
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.840
<v Speaker 2>think there's got to be a parlor game. Did I

983
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.320
<v Speaker 2>look this up? Of course? Is there? One? Of course?

984
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Flags of the World is a board game you can

985
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 2>play guessing the flappers of countries and the game. Captain

986
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube provided a twenty five minute video tutorial and

987
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 2>a review. So the first who says over ninety percent

988
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 2>of the population or Albanians in this country which lies

989
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 2>north of Macedonia, is it correct? So if you want

990
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to get good at flags, get your mits on Flags

991
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 2>in the World. I did notice that it's for people

992
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>eight years and up. And I'm sure that my seven

993
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 2>year old nephew would kick all of our asses and

994
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 2>just hand them back to us on a platter and

995
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>we would be impressed. Did you ever play flag football?

996
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 3>I did play flag football.

997
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Were you like, I'm only using American and Hawaiian flags?

998
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, you have to remember it when the term flag

999
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to be these these symbols. It can also mutilitarian,

1000
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, like flag, football, sprinkler flags, a checkered flag,

1001
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 3>they have other meanings. And the more utilitarian semil four flags.

1002
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 2>What about uh surrender flags?

1003
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 3>That's more of an utilitarian tool because it didn't stand

1004
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 3>for anybody. If it's the white flag?

1005
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Was that just someone taking gauze off?

1006
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 3>And could be anything? I mean, you know, if you

1007
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 3>have to surrender, you use whatever you have.

1008
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>If someone take their underpants off, I got a wave

1009
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 2>something here? Can I ask you questions from listeners?

1010
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

1011
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but before we unfurl your questions, a few words

1012
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.119
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1013
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.159
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1014
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:34.719
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1015
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.519
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1016
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.400
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1017
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:48.559
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1018
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.480
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1019
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.760
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1020
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>our global cultural heritage, and that donation is made possible

1021
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:05.159
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00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.360
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<v Speaker 2>and to the sponsors. Okay, onto your flag inquiries. Okay,

1024
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>so exciting, one hundred and five questions about flags. People

1025
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.039
<v Speaker 2>have been wanting this one for a while. Jack asked,

1026
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Isle of Man, what's going on there? I have no

1027
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:21.320
<v Speaker 2>idea what he's talking about.

1028
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 3>The Isle of Man, I believe, is the only flag

1029
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 3>with a triscal It's a three extended device on a

1030
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>field of red.

1031
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 2>A three extended device, like.

1032
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 3>How you have across would be four extensions. They actually

1033
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.519
<v Speaker 3>have three extensions. I'm trying to mur it if it's

1034
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 3>arms or legs.

1035
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 2>How did they get permission to do that?

1036
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 3>I believe it goes back to heraldry, because those limbs

1037
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 3>are our a heraldic device.

1038
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I was like, fuck is this flag?

1039
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>So I looked it up and the Isle of Man

1040
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>is an island right smack between Ireland and England, just

1041
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 2>floating between them like an only child of a divorced couple.

1042
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And according to our friend Workerpedia, it is a self

1043
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>governing British Crown dependency, so its flag is red with

1044
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.360
<v Speaker 2>three armored Knight's legs smack in the middle, just like

1045
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 2>a wheel of disembodied legs that have found each other

1046
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and formed a new, terrifying entity that loves jogging. But

1047
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>just when you think that's weird, like a human centipede

1048
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 2>made of robo legs, you get a gander at Cicily's flag,

1049
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>which is the same leg configuration, but naked and with

1050
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 2>a face in the middle that looks like if Barbie

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00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.840
<v Speaker 2>got stoned and went to olive Garden. They also tossed

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<v Speaker 2>in a pair of angel winks and some leafy dongs.

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<v Speaker 2>You thought flags were boring, didn't you. Hell no, people

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00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 2>at them on fire, They die for them. They have

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00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 2>grassy looking dicks on them. So many of you wanted

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00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 2>to know why they even exist, like, for example, Tarin Fernanz,

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00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Jack Steph, Julie Bear, Heather Deckle, Erica, Ellen Vossakiel Holly Andrews,

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<v Speaker 2>Deli Dames, and jam Cruise. First time question asker says,

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<v Speaker 2>was there a specific moment when flags became a thing

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<v Speaker 2>for every country?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a good question because I would say flags

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00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 3>and its use I mean go back to like Babylonia,

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00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 3>m HM and the Romans use them, okay, in different

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<v Speaker 3>styles and different ways in penance and gonfalons as we use.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think probably this is my opinion. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>with the United Nations, the League of Nations or the

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00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 3>United Nations, and then the Olympics is where you really

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00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.039
<v Speaker 3>needed something to rally behind politically, not necessarily for military.

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00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 3>So I think flags really became a more popular and

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<v Speaker 3>more visible. And it's at the Olympics where you actually

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<v Speaker 3>saw a duplication. Like there would be times where the

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<v Speaker 3>country would have almost the same flag, oh sometimes the

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00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 3>same color in the state, and so what do you do?

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00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, you show up at the party

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<v Speaker 3>with the same dress. What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Same gown as the oscars? You gotta change it? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that your favorite part of the Olympics. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>there for the open cermony?

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<v Speaker 3>I like the opening ceremonies?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, mark your calendars for July twenty fourth, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>Opening ceremonies, Summer Olympics, Tokyo, Japan. Flag of Palooza. There

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<v Speaker 2>will be a quiz. Hadley wants to know did you

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<v Speaker 2>love the fun with flag segment? On the Big Bank Theory,

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<v Speaker 2>It's called fun with flags.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed it. It could have been expanded and it

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00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, we've been doing that for a while. So yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the fund with flags, this was enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaan Lee Bradley, Oh, hi Hadley, I know, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just realized that Hadley Hadley works at the Bishop

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00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Museum in Hawaii. Introduce me to Tory. She is a peach now.

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<v Speaker 2>The next topic was also on the mines of patrons

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<v Speaker 2>Megan King and Aviva Elizabeth Zane Liebram wants to know

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<v Speaker 2>are there any vessels out there that still fly the

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<v Speaker 2>black Jolly Roger flag? And yes, why do they do it?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so there are there are different So people think

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<v Speaker 3>of the Jolly Roger as the one, and I've actually

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00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 3>seen a Molly Roger. Oh so it's actually a kind

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<v Speaker 3>of nine tails and the skull has lipstick on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Modern modern doesign it came with the Molly Roger. But

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00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 3>you have these pirate flags and they were slightly different,

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00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 3>like I think Edward Teach had like a skeleton and

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00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 3>a heart and so they actually had meetings, but they

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00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.280
<v Speaker 3>were the black flag of the pirates and not to

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00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.920
<v Speaker 3>endorse piracy. But you know, there are those pirate ships

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00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 3>that you can go on parties on, they do fly

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00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:18.920
<v Speaker 3>the pirate flag.

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<v Speaker 2>And why did they have that? Jolly Roger was that

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00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>just like a oh shit, we're here and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to mess your stuff up, so watch out everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that that was the way that ships communicated with

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00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.159
<v Speaker 3>each other, and so sometimes a ship would fly a

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00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.119
<v Speaker 3>false flag to get in close, and when they attacked,

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00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.039
<v Speaker 3>then they would fly up whatever flag that they're flying under.

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<v Speaker 3>So private cheers, remember privateers were the legal pirates, and

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00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:45.639
<v Speaker 3>then you had pirates.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't know that privateers were legal pirates.

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00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 3>So a pirate would be raiding other ships, and a

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00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 3>private cheer was somebody waiting for their country under they

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<v Speaker 3>were sanctioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Ugh, so then they were just thieves and then they

1122
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 2>were like, I'm thieves for my country.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, privateers.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think of false flag conspiracy theories?

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<v Speaker 3>False flag conspiracy theory, Oh, I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it aside here. Some people think that some tragedies

1127
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:18.320
<v Speaker 2>are inside jobs, like, for example, the fleshy embodiment of

1128
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>human conflict. Infra warr's host Alex Jones for a long

1129
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:26.119
<v Speaker 2>time denied that mass shootings such as Sandy Hook were real,

1130
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 2>saying it was quote a giant hoax. Now, he has

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00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 2>since admitted in a deposition that those assertions were quote

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00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:37.159
<v Speaker 2>a foremost psychosis where I basically thought everything was staged,

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00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 2>even though I'm learning a lot of things aren't staged. Quote. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the term false flags comes from pirate ships flying other

1135
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.880
<v Speaker 2>countries flags during attacks and that misled their victims in

1136
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:51.960
<v Speaker 2>terms of like who's to blame for this? But pirates

1137
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and conspiracy theorists aside. Some false flags apparently have totally existed.

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<v Speaker 2>The conflict that led US into the Vietnam War, the

1139
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Gulf of Tonkin conflict in the mid sixties that was

1140
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 2>used to justify the US involvement the Vietnam War. Turns

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00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 2>out part of that attack on US naval ships was

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00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>an outright fabrication. Now a less super serious issue. How

1143
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:15.880
<v Speaker 2>ugly are city flags? Again? Roman Mars ted talk illuminating

1144
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>as hell. It made me look up the LA city flag,

1145
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>which features these zigzag bands of color. There's green, gold,

1146
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and red with the city seal just plunked right in

1147
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the middle. Now, in a twenty fifteen Timeout article titled

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00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.719
<v Speaker 2>quote we need to talk about the Los Angeles city flag,

1149
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 2>This flag was described as a Rastafarian clip art nightmare.

1150
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Can we switch it up? I wondered, kenn a city

1151
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>built on a culture of before and after photos, change

1152
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.320
<v Speaker 2>its flag. I am not the only concerned citizen with

1153
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 2>this question, as patrons including Saratary, Jessica frizz Ezra, Carolynchmikeen,

1154
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Dorian Gray, Megan MacLean, Christopher Rojo, Leanna Ira Gray, and

1155
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Todd Peterson all wanted to know. Schmitty Smith wants to

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<v Speaker 2>know how best should folks go about trying to update

1157
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.719
<v Speaker 2>a bad city flag? Are grassroots movements like the People's

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<v Speaker 2>Flag of Milwaukee common.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I actually have a listing of American city flags,

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00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 3>and there was a Ted talk a while ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>I got a few flag queries about my city flags Orr,

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00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I work, and I have to say, there are a

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00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.400
<v Speaker 3>few cities that actually have changed their flags, really yes,

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00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.239
<v Speaker 3>and so I have heard of. I believe Sacramento was

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00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 3>one that with the last few years where they actually

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00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 3>change the city flag and they have a contest. And

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00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 3>surprisingly there are a lot of contests that go back

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00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 3>to these flags, even for one hundred or so years,

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00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 3>to have contests to submit designs and then they get

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00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:52.639
<v Speaker 3>reviewed and approved. And so yes, you could go about

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00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Speaker 3>changing your city flag or municipality or locality. If some

1172
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 3>of them don't have any, so you could propose one.

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00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.519
<v Speaker 3>And I so you go before your your local council

1174
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 3>or committee and propose a flag.

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01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Make some noise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like the Honolul flag is one of those that

1177
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 3>was considered not so nice because they just took the

1178
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 3>city seal and they took on a field of yellow.

1179
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 3>But specifically it's you leave me a yellowcal that's this

1180
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 3>island flower. But you know, you could do something else

1181
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.559
<v Speaker 3>like use maybe some heraldic device or if there's there's

1182
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.239
<v Speaker 3>a landmark or a bird or a flower, and incorporate

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01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:25.760
<v Speaker 3>that into your flag. And I have to agree with

1184
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 3>some of the people on that Ted talks to say,

1185
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to put text on your flag, it's

1186
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 3>probably not a great flag.

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01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh good, good call. You know you should be able

1188
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.239
<v Speaker 2>to say it in imagery.

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01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps, right the iconography of.

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01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 2>An iconography call. There's a show called Community and they

1191
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 2>had a flag made for their school but it looked

1192
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.400
<v Speaker 2>like an asterisk. But it wasn't well received. I've heard

1193
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:54.280
<v Speaker 2>of the show, yes, no, yeah, it features a large

1194
01:00:54.519 --> 01:01:00.039
<v Speaker 2>pink asterisk. It looks like this is classic Greendale. A

1195
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 2>place deserves an AINUS flag. Natalie cruz Aguayo asks how

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01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:06.760
<v Speaker 2>do you feel about the current kneeling versus standing for

1197
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the flag debate in the US, and how do you

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01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 2>personally believe that flag should be respected.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe the flag should be respected him because it

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01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.679
<v Speaker 3>is the US flag is our national symbol, so I

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01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.400
<v Speaker 3>mean we should respect it. If you're in the military,

1202
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 3>you render honors or salute. I try and stand whenever

1203
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:25.760
<v Speaker 3>it is and you should face either the flag or

1204
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 3>where the music is coming from. The civilian salute is

1205
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 3>to hand over your heart or take off your hat.

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01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 3>But I think a respect should be given to the flag.

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01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.079
<v Speaker 3>It is our national symbol, so there are other ways

1208
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of expressing other actions. At least for our national symbol,

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01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 3>wheel should stand behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Different people have different views on this. In America, some

1211
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.440
<v Speaker 2>people feel that the flag has been kind of reappropriated

1212
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 2>as a symbol of nationalism and a nostalgia for a

1213
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.119
<v Speaker 2>time when people had fewer personal freedoms. So I think

1214
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to use it to amplify the voices of people seeking

1215
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the freedom this nation was founded on is a respectful

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01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:03.320
<v Speaker 2>means to You may disagree, that's okay too. Anyway, I

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01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>changed the subject to hands overhearts, specifically mine I have.

1218
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I got my hand stuck in an escalator when I

1219
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 2>was four, and I have terrible scars in my right hand,

1220
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's fine now, but at the time, I was

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01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 2>like pretty stoked that. I was like, I always knew

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01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 2>which hand to put over my heart because I was

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<v Speaker 2>like four, So I was like, which one do I

1224
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:22.519
<v Speaker 2>put And I was like, yeah, that's the one with

1225
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the scars, And so then I could always tell my

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01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.559
<v Speaker 2>hands apart it was. I wouldn't recommend getting your hand

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01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:29.800
<v Speaker 2>stuck in an escalator, though there are better ways of

1228
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:35.239
<v Speaker 2>figuring it out. Let me see. Uh ooh. Ashley Herbal

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01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.920
<v Speaker 2>has a great question with space exploration expanding, should we

1230
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 2>have an official Earth flag to represent ourselves when we

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01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:42.480
<v Speaker 2>find other life?

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<v Speaker 3>There are Earth flags, so what are they? There are

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01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 3>actually several. There hasn't been one that's been approved or

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01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:52.800
<v Speaker 3>recognized by everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>There are like SETI flags, and then there's like you

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01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.199
<v Speaker 3>have the Earth Day flag, which has the picture of

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01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.199
<v Speaker 3>the Earth on it. There's another one I like, which

1239
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 3>is actually developed in the US where you actually just

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01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.000
<v Speaker 3>have an arc of yellow that represents the Sun and

1241
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 3>then like little dots for the planets, and then the

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01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 3>large one that represents the Earth. And so there are

1243
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.840
<v Speaker 3>other science flags out there. Some of them are geometric

1244
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.000
<v Speaker 3>patterns with different colors to represent the arrangement of Earth

1245
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.320
<v Speaker 3>in the Solar System. But now there are kinetary flags

1246
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 3>out there already.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do you fly them on Earth Day? Do you

1248
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 2>fly an Earthway flag?

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01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 3>So I have one of these science Earth flags and

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01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I will fly it on days related to science.

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01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Really, like what are their science days? Are they? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I I'm trying to remember there was there was a

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01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.760
<v Speaker 3>walk for science. I think I think maybe if I

1254
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 3>had Madame Curie's birthday, or maybe when the Nobel Wards

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<v Speaker 3>go out, or maybe when the Voyager pro anniversary or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that, I'd fly that flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm just gonna I'm gonna start having to get flags. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that National Moth Week is the last

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01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 2>week of July, Because now you do. I just went

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01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to see if there are any moth themed flags out there,

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01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and sadly no, But it does seem the perfect time

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01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to fly a woolen flag that's been moth eaten, a

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01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:13.000
<v Speaker 2>moth buffet of freedom and fibers. Meredith, what we wants

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<v Speaker 2>to know is there any significance in countries that have

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01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 2>flags of the similar patterns and same colors but in

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01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:22.519
<v Speaker 2>different order, like France versus Paraguay, Belgium versus Germany, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you have a lot of those we could say

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01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:29.079
<v Speaker 3>old world flags where they really are established and basing

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01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 3>on national colors, so they're very, very simple. And so

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01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 3>those are older flags as opposed to some of the

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01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:37.039
<v Speaker 3>modern flags where you have a little more iconography on

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01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:40.199
<v Speaker 3>or modern iconography. So you have like the Scandinavian cross,

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01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 3>like all the countries of Scandinavia, it's that same cross

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01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 3>pattern in different colors.

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01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.159
<v Speaker 2>So side note, why do so many Scandinavian countries have

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01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 2>that Nordic cross motif? I was like, hmm, there's gonna

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01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 2>be some old good Viking shit like maybe where the

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01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 2>land intersex with the sea, or like the latitude of

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01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the summer sun. But now it's just a straight up

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01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Christianity symbol. So what about flags that look like Neapolitan

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01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:03.679
<v Speaker 2>ice cream?

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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like the tricolor of the French tricolor

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01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean you have you know, Ireland and Italy. It's

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01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.800
<v Speaker 3>it's basically using national colors just on a flag.

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01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so it's just kind of like, hey, we're.

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01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Cousins a little bit, or the flags are old enough.

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01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.400
<v Speaker 3>We just needed we just needed a couple of colors

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01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:19.719
<v Speaker 3>on it.

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01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Back then, back of the day.

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01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:24.320
<v Speaker 3>We just needed one or two colors on the flag,

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01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 3>and it was just one color or two colors.

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01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.159
<v Speaker 2>And Vendreda wants to note if you have a least

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01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:29.719
<v Speaker 2>favorite US state flag.

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01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:35.559
<v Speaker 3>A least favorite US state flag, well, there are a

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01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.800
<v Speaker 3>few that are just fields of blue with the coat

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01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:40.719
<v Speaker 3>of arms of the state on it and the date,

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01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and you know they're they're not as engaging as some

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01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.480
<v Speaker 3>of the more colorful ones with hidden iconography.

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01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to look this up, but I did

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01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 2>on a whim. Holy shit, look up all the state

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01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 2>flags in the United States. So many are a seal

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01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.599
<v Speaker 2>on a field of blue, like take a page out

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01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of ohig book makes something weird? Or Oregon. Oregon has

1304
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:06.119
<v Speaker 2>a front and back there's a cartoon beaver chilling on

1305
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.599
<v Speaker 2>a log on the back, just like New Mexico, a

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01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:13.440
<v Speaker 2>bright golden yellow with a red sun motif to honor

1307
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Pueblo roots. Hell yeah, Marilyn's flag looks like a jumble

1308
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 2>of wallpaper swatches or a magic eye poster. But I

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01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 2>respect the daring of it. Those are all dues, a don't.

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01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at you, Mississippi with a Confederate flag in

1311
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:32.639
<v Speaker 2>your canton. So, Mississippi's flag, dating back to eighteen ninety four,

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01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:36.440
<v Speaker 2>some have called state sanctioned hate speech, and it continues

1313
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to fly. There's a Mississippi born artist, though, named Laurence Dennis,

1314
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.639
<v Speaker 2>and she's proposed a new design. It's cleaner visually emotionally,

1315
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.480
<v Speaker 2>but numerous bills to make it the new Mississippi Stave

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01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:52.000
<v Speaker 2>flag have failed. Mississippi, Can you do me a solid?

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01:06:52.119 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Get this shit together? It's twenty nineteen, and says So.

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01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I recently found out that pledging allegiance to a flag

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01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is sort of an American thing, and as a kid,

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01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 2>I always felt really weird doing it, and now I

1321
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 2>feel like a lot of other people do too, So

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01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel so weird essentially, in terms of flag history,

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01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.679
<v Speaker 2>especially globally, Are there any other countries that pledge allegiance

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01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to a flag?

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01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a good question. I do know other national anthems,

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01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.079
<v Speaker 3>some with words, some without words. M some a little

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01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:27.360
<v Speaker 3>more long, some a little short. I'm not familiar with

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01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.480
<v Speaker 3>other pledges ps.

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01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 2>You know the under God part that was added much later.

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01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.519
<v Speaker 2>You can thank President Dwight Eisenhower, who just wanted to

1331
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 2>toss it in because he thought it would freak out communists.

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01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a fun thing to talk about at dinner with

1333
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.400
<v Speaker 2>your new girlfriend's parents. Get into it. A few people

1334
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.800
<v Speaker 2>asked where's the purple? Those people's names, I will now

1335
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:52.159
<v Speaker 2>say with my mouth they are Jack, Helen Roussette, and Samanthy.

1336
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Why aren't there more? Why is there a lack of purple,

1337
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:57.599
<v Speaker 2>asked Samantha e in flags.

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01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, remember purple was the royal color, and so how

1339
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.320
<v Speaker 3>many monarchies do we have or runny of.

1340
01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:10.559
<v Speaker 2>The country, so it still would be a symbol of royalty.

1341
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you go to a ren fair and you're wearing purple,

1342
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 3>the queen might pick on you.

1343
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, because you should not be wearing that purple.

1344
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, good to know the royal color. I

1345
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.359
<v Speaker 2>don't want to get hazed by a renfair queen. Yeah,

1346
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.680
<v Speaker 2>that sounds like a nightmare. She might have your head

1347
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 2>on a stick, or throw pepsi on you not to

1348
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 2>get your leg I know, quick aside, why was purple

1349
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:36.920
<v Speaker 2>such a royal color? Well, because it was expensive as hell.

1350
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 2>It was gathered from mollusk shells, so Queen Elizabeth I

1351
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.399
<v Speaker 2>first wouldn't even allow non royals to wear it. Now,

1352
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.079
<v Speaker 2>one flag that's purple is the Native American and First

1353
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Nation Iroquois Confederacy, and it features a string of four

1354
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.319
<v Speaker 2>boxes with a tree in the middle, and it's flown

1355
01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to represent unity with other tribes. Now why is it purple?

1356
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Also mollusks? It's based off a wampum belt made from

1357
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:04.439
<v Speaker 2>shell beads. Now, vexillology, malacology all up in each other's history.

1358
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Conchology is a study of shells. Should I do it? Shell?

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01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Also side note, Iroquois is a name given to the

1361
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.520
<v Speaker 2>tribe by colonists, but they call themselves the Hoda Nishone,

1362
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.439
<v Speaker 2>which is way more beautifuler word. Now, this next question

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01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.960
<v Speaker 2>is about a flag that looks like two triangle pennants

1364
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:24.560
<v Speaker 2>on top of each other, just like gives no fucks

1365
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 2>about being a rectangle and instead represented mountains and later

1366
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 2>two prominent religions in the region. A bunch of people

1367
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.640
<v Speaker 2>asked about it, including first time question asker Kelty's Laney

1368
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Live Schaeffer, Todd Peterson, Sean McGregor, and Graham Tattersall. Zillard

1369
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Glylai wants to know why is Nepal's flag so cool?

1370
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 3>That is a cool flags. So basically it looks like

1371
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:53.479
<v Speaker 3>like dagged triangles. It's very very tall or long. Oh

1372
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.920
<v Speaker 3>it's not square, okay, And so you know that that

1373
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 3>is a country where you have prayer flags or pennants

1374
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.079
<v Speaker 3>being flying. So it's very similar to something you may

1375
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 3>have had previously before what's known as modern flags. So

1376
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 3>I opine that it could be an adaptation of that.

1377
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Nathan Andrew Leeflight asked a question I feel like a

1378
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.119
<v Speaker 2>lot of people probably have this question. A Viva Elizabeth

1379
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:19.079
<v Speaker 2>also asked it, are there official guidelines for when to

1380
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:22.119
<v Speaker 2>fly flags at half mass and who is empowered to

1381
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:22.920
<v Speaker 2>make that decision?

1382
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:27.359
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so there are guidelines. It's in the flag code,

1383
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.560
<v Speaker 3>and there are specific days that you fly a flag

1384
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:33.479
<v Speaker 3>at half mass like Memorial Day and then to fly

1385
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.560
<v Speaker 3>a flag at half mass or half staff mass or

1386
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 3>ships and oh staffs are on ground have to come

1387
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:42.239
<v Speaker 3>from executive order of the president, and so that would

1388
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.600
<v Speaker 3>dictate all US flags in the country, and subsequently that

1389
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:48.680
<v Speaker 3>would be state flags and municipality flags. Because the American

1390
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:49.920
<v Speaker 3>flag is always the highest.

1391
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:51.880
<v Speaker 2>How long are they supposed to stay down?

1392
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:54.840
<v Speaker 3>That depends on the executive order. So the executive order

1393
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.479
<v Speaker 3>that goes out would go for the time periods like

1394
01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.760
<v Speaker 3>usually a day or the weekend or a week. But

1395
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.760
<v Speaker 3>for sitting politicians, I'd have to double check this. But

1396
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.239
<v Speaker 3>I think if a president dies in office, flags are

1397
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:07.760
<v Speaker 3>at half mass for thirty days. Wow, and then it

1398
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:08.720
<v Speaker 3>goes down from there.

1399
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's if a president dies in office. Correct, What

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01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.479
<v Speaker 2>if the country's not sad about it?

1401
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm just kidding, that's HiT's the joke, just kidding. But

1402
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I could check the flag code. I did bring you

1403
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:20.039
<v Speaker 3>with me.

1404
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I kid, I kid. We all know that vice presidents

1405
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 2>are scarier. Anyway. Delhi Dames wants to know what's the

1406
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 2>oldest flag that you know of?

1407
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:34.920
<v Speaker 3>The oldest flag I know of, Well, there are in existence.

1408
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what an existence, but I do know

1409
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:42.119
<v Speaker 3>that you know, in Babylon, Babylonia, they would have standards

1410
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.000
<v Speaker 3>polls and they would have tablets on them, and then

1411
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:48.600
<v Speaker 3>later on the Roman legions would have a staff and

1412
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.520
<v Speaker 3>it may have streamers, but it have devices. So like

1413
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:53.359
<v Speaker 3>how we have the eagle on the top of the flagpole,

1414
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:57.199
<v Speaker 3>they may have an eagle or another bird or some

1415
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.439
<v Speaker 3>other symbol that denoted that unit or that lead. The

1416
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:03.039
<v Speaker 3>oldest flag in existence. I don't know what the old

1417
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 3>flaging existence is right now, but flags do go back

1418
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:06.119
<v Speaker 3>to millennia.

1419
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Dang, Hello Scotland. Your flag was established in the literal

1420
01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Dark Ages eighteen thirty two. To be exact, it's just

1421
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.359
<v Speaker 2>a blue field with a big white X representing the

1422
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.159
<v Speaker 2>crucified Saint Andrew Cherry pet Escanera wants to know who

1423
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:24.119
<v Speaker 2>invented semi four codes? How is that done? Do you

1424
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:25.720
<v Speaker 2>know anything about some force? You know?

1425
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.680
<v Speaker 3>I learned semi four in boy Scouts?

1426
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh you did, yes.

1427
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:33.239
<v Speaker 3>So besides the Heraldy shop that my mom worked at,

1428
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I was in the Boy Scouts and I was in

1429
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:38.199
<v Speaker 3>the Civilar Portrol and I did enjoy being on color

1430
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:42.199
<v Speaker 3>guard detail. So I don't know how far back semaphore

1431
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.319
<v Speaker 3>goes I'm going to. I know they were very popular

1432
01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 3>in the early twentieth century.

1433
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 2>A semaphore. Side note is when someone holds two flags

1434
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:53.319
<v Speaker 2>moves them around to different positions to make different letters

1435
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:55.920
<v Speaker 2>to spell out words. So just think you could destroy

1436
01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.479
<v Speaker 2>someone by signaling an F in a U, or you

1437
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:03.960
<v Speaker 2>could make by adding an in fun fun with flags.

1438
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.279
<v Speaker 3>And it's almost like reading a clock. And so depending

1439
01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:11.079
<v Speaker 3>on where the hands are, notate what the letter is.

1440
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Is it like texting but with your arms?

1441
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

1442
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:16.279
<v Speaker 2>And do you use like short codes or do you

1443
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:17.439
<v Speaker 2>spell out everything?

1444
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:21.399
<v Speaker 3>You would spell out words or clipped words. Sometimes you

1445
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:23.960
<v Speaker 3>clip out you know, maybe a vowel or so. But

1446
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:27.039
<v Speaker 3>so you'd cross the flags to start ascendence or a word,

1447
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:29.399
<v Speaker 3>and then you'd spell out the word or the number

1448
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.800
<v Speaker 3>or use a number sign and then you'd have the

1449
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 3>flags to end it. It's kind of morse code.

1450
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, was it hard to learn? How

1451
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:37.880
<v Speaker 2>long to take you?

1452
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember it. It was that was a while ago.

1453
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.479
<v Speaker 3>I still have someone foresaid in my flag collection, though, do.

1454
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:45.479
<v Speaker 2>You think if someone tried to semi for you a

1455
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 2>message you would be able to decode it?

1456
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 3>I'd probably only get SOS.

1457
01:13:50.359 --> 01:13:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the most important one. It doesn't look like

1458
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:54.640
<v Speaker 2>an SOS do flag nerds know each other.

1459
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.199
<v Speaker 3>I know there's two others on the island. We do

1460
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:02.119
<v Speaker 3>know each other. One actually owns a flag shop and

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<v Speaker 3>the other one is a professor at a local university.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever think that you could do this for

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<v Speaker 2>part of your job?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Now, what is something about flags that's annoying? Or

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<v Speaker 2>what is a part of your job dealing with flags?

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<v Speaker 2>It sucks?

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<v Speaker 3>I get allow the repetitive questions. So it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we have two or three flags, where do they go?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's okay, the American flag is always on

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<v Speaker 3>its right, you know, the viewer's left. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>put it. It goes on its right. It's just some

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<v Speaker 3>of these very very basic things people ask me. And

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<v Speaker 3>I do get upset when I do see flagpoles getting

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<v Speaker 3>used for holding up banners or other signs, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, get that wind sock out of here. What

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<v Speaker 2>is this fish wind sock on the flagpole?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to see the banner promoting the festival

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<v Speaker 3>on the weekend. Take it, put it on the side

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<v Speaker 3>or something. Don't put it on the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what is the thing that you love the most

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<v Speaker 2>about your job or your life is of excellla just

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<v Speaker 2>orble flags.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a bit of history and to recognize what's been,

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<v Speaker 3>what's in the past, and use some kind of visible

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<v Speaker 3>symbol to recognize those dates. And I have a good job.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you have an old soul or were

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<v Speaker 2>you born in the wrong era because you seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have such a nod to in a flair for things vintage.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever feel like maybe you're a ghost that

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<v Speaker 2>was born into modern times?

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<v Speaker 3>That has been said of me. I've been working in

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<v Speaker 3>the museum field over twenty five years now, so I

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<v Speaker 3>did work at one site where we did living history,

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<v Speaker 3>and so yes I am. I'm not a strain. You're

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<v Speaker 3>too living history or a period clothing, particularly the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do enjoy a good period history event, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a more gentler time with etiquette and protocol.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think in the future we're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>use space holograms for flags?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about holograms, but you know how retro

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01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:06.840
<v Speaker 3>is becoming more popular, maybe where we're going to go,

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01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 3>maybe we'll regress a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you're keeping the past alive by continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to make it cool because you're cool. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for doing this. I loved this so ask well

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<v Speaker 2>dressed and informed people stupid questions. Because there's weird trivia

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01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:25.079
<v Speaker 2>flying right over our heads all the time, you might

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<v Speaker 2>as well ask about it. We're all gonna die. Go forward,

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<v Speaker 2>ask questions now. For more info on flags, nava dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Nava dot org is a great resource. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>a local vexillological club. Let your nerd flag fly. We

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<v Speaker 2>are at Ologies on Twitter and Instagram. I'm Ali Ward

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<v Speaker 2>with one l on both. Links to all of that,

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01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.239
<v Speaker 2>plus the cause of the week and sponsors are always

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. Ologies merch is available at allergiesmarch

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, including some new stickers. Hot damn Yes we

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<v Speaker 2>have stickers. Thank you Bonnie Dutch and Shannon Feltas for

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01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.560
<v Speaker 2>managing that. Thanks to Aaron Talbert and Hannah Lippo for

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01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:03.560
<v Speaker 2>admin the wonderful Ologies Facebook group. Hello to the Ologies

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<v Speaker 2>podcast sub editors out there too. Thank you Assistant editor

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Sleeper of the mental health podcast Make Good, Bad Brain,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course the jolliest of the rogers, Stephen Ray

1525
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Morris for Betsy rossing all the pieces together each week.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen also hosts the per cast about Kiddies and c

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<v Speaker 2>Jurassic Right About Dino's, both wonderful podcasts. Nick Thorburn wrote

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<v Speaker 2>and performed the theme music. He's in the band Islands,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very good band. Now, if you stick

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<v Speaker 2>around to the end of the episode, you know I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you secrets, And this week's secret is that this

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01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:38.720
<v Speaker 2>episode was so hard to make. There's so much political

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01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:44.119
<v Speaker 2>history and colonist bullshit and painful stuff when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to something that seems just as simple as flags. And

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<v Speaker 2>so thanks for waiting an extra week for this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>recording this actually on the morning of my parents' fiftieth anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go celebrate it, and I'm down in

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01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.199
<v Speaker 2>their downstairs recording it really quick to send to Stephen,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm taking the rest of the weekend off

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate with them. And the other secret I will

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<v Speaker 2>tell you is that I moved into a new house

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<v Speaker 2>about four months ago and I have not yet bought

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<v Speaker 2>a garbage can. I've just been hanging a garbage bag

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01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.079
<v Speaker 2>from a cabinet knob for four months. I keep meaning

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01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to go to bed, bath and beyond and just blow

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01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.760
<v Speaker 2>through the stack of coupons I've been hoarding, so I

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01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:23.199
<v Speaker 2>swear I will do that this week. Probably Also, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've told you this, but those bed

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01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Bath and Beyond coupons they don't really expire, So just

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<v Speaker 2>take yours out of your neighbor's trash, put them in

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01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:34.199
<v Speaker 2>your glump compartment. That way you're like, oh, I got

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01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to stop there. Use them whenever you want twenty percent off.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, I'm here to help. Okay. Next week a

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry episode that draws on the spells of Harry Potter.

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<v Speaker 2>Potterrology is up next week. Are you ready for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not? It's good a rule, okay for bide pack adermatology, mombiology,

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<v Speaker 2>doe zoology, lithology and technology, meteorologyology, tathology, seriology, pylenology. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to review and show you how to

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<v Speaker 2>play Flags of the World.