1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,719 Speaker 1: Happy Palm Sunday, everybody, the day we celebrate the kickoff 2 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:10,320 to Christianity's centerpiece event, a blood sacrifice. Strip away the 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,480 stained glass in the hymns, and what you're actually looking 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:16,640 at as in an omnipotent God who decided he couldn't 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,239 forgive humanity for breaking the rules he made up arbitrarily 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,399 unless something innocent bled and died first, which is the 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,000 same sympathetic magic every ancient culture practiced, just with better 8 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,679 production value. Hebrews nine twenty two says the quiet part 9 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,240 out loud. Without the shedding of blood, there is no 10 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:40,079 forgiveness of sins. That's not a plan of salvation. That's 11 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:43,359 a hostage negotiation where God is both the kidnapper and 12 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:48,280 the ransom. And the sacrifice didn't even work. Sin didn't stop, 13 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:51,240 suffering didn't stop, and most humans who ever lived are 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,640 still supposedly hell bound because they picked the wrong god 15 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,560 out of a lineup or were born in the wrong century. 16 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:02,799 And let's be honest about what Jesus actually sacrificed here 17 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,640 a bad weekend with a guaranteed resurrection to partially fix 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,400 a problem that he himself created using a mechanism borrowed 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,920 from the vitical goat slaughter rituals. So either God chose 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,719 to require blood when he could just have forgiven people, 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,799 making the crucifixion cosmic sadism, or he's bound by rules 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,519 he can't override and isn't actually omnipotent, or the whole 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,680 framework is ancient blood magic retrofitted onto first century theology, 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,920 which is the most parsimonious explanation by a mile. Take 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,920 your pick, and if you disagree with my interpretation of 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,159 this Holy Week, then call in because the show starts. 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Now, what's up? 28 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: He then's how y'all doing this week? I am here 29 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:53,040 with Jim Burrows. 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,599 Speaker 2: What's up there? Jim? How you doing? 31 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:59,359 Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good for a Rosie Palmer and her 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,000 five friends. 33 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: Sunday. Oh yeah, that's just balm Sunday. 34 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, Today is March twenty ninths twenty twenty six. 35 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:13,520 I am the Godless Engineer and just letting you guys 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,560 know that to cover everything here at the beginning the 37 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:19,439 atheist experience as a product of the Atheist Community of Austin, 38 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:23,000 a five ZHO one C three nonprofit organization dedicated to 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,800 the promotion of atheism critical thinking, secular humanism and the 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,680 separation of religion and government. So we are try streaming tonight, 41 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:34,719 so big shout out to our viewers on TikTok and 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,360 on YouTube mobile. If you are watching us on TikTok 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,400 tonight and you'd like to talk to us, then request 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,360 to join and we'll bring you up on stage to 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,960 make sure, but to make sure that you are over 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:50,240 eighteen years of age before doing so. So with that said, Jim, 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,560 what do you got planned for this holiest of weeks? 48 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing this show now and that I'm doing 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,159 Skeptic Cavan after and so other than that, that's about it. 50 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:02,919 I'm not planning on much of it. I mean, it's 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,280 just another week. I don't know what makes it holy. 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,000 It's not like we're missing on Wednesday and there's a 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,120 whole week, right. 54 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, honestly, I find that the whole sacrificial 55 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,120 week of Jesus being like a big production number I 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,879 think is a little weird considering you know, you know 57 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:27,120 the fact that it's celebrating the sacrificing of one person 58 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:29,759 to cover for all the sins of everybody else, which 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,479 actually doesn't accomplish anything, you know, kind of like what 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,240 my intro was saying, it's not actually accomplishing anything. It's just, 61 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:40,159 you know, it's just basically God sacrificing himself in order 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,080 to make people feel guilty for something. 63 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really not even sure. 64 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it doesn't even make any sense, right. Can 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:57,639 you imagine somebody on trial from murder, gets convicted, sent 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,960 to the death chair, and the person his father says, 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,319 oh no, no, let me go, let me take it 68 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:06,280 for my son. And I don't think anybody would think 69 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:10,120 that was justice. But because it involves some guy named 70 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:15,960 Jesus Christ all of a sudden, that's justice or mercy 71 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:18,959 or whatever you want to call it. If you wouldn't 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,920 accept it of a human doing it, why are you 73 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:23,839 Why is it all of a sudden okay for a 74 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:27,279 god to do it? Why is it okay for God 75 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,480 to sacrifice himself to himself? 76 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 4: If you believe in the triumphrate got right? It is that. 77 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: We can't make it sound any sillier than it already does, 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,959 so it can't really accuse us of that. But I 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,199 just I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense. 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:44,319 Speaker 4: You know. 81 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:50,759 Speaker 3: Why is substitutional atonement considered a valid thing to do 82 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,439 when we don't accept it anywhere else. 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:00,319 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean it's rather curious how they make 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,120 that calculus work. And I honestly, when I was when 85 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,319 I was a Christian, I really didn't give it to 86 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,759 you know, more than two seconds of thought for it, right, 87 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,240 Like I was just told Jesus died for you, So 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,639 you know. 89 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: You should definitely feel guilty for that. 90 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's some serious guilting too, right, I went 91 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:23,959 through nine hours of labor to birth you, and you 92 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,000 do you know I have paid for you know, every 93 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,720 hospital visit, in doctor's appointment and your braces and so you. 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,319 Speaker 4: Know that kind of guilting. 95 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: I don't think we consider good parenting and yet we 96 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:42,720 accept it from God, this type of guilt tripping. 97 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: And shaming. 98 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I know. 99 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: Right, So we do have somebody over there on TikTok 100 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,480 that's wanting to get up here, So I will go 101 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,040 ahead and get them on up in the box here. 102 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,720 Let's see if I believe it's Tony. See if Tony's 103 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:07,000 gonna connect. If you are on TikTok, make sure you're 104 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,279 tippy tapping on that screen there. Make sure you're sharing 105 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,079 out the live to all of your friends, especially people 106 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,920 that you think will disagree with us, and make sure 107 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,879 you're commenting. Commenting sends positive signals on all the platforms, uh, 108 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,959 in order to get this stream out there so that 109 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:27,920 we get some really good callers up in here. I'm 110 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:30,839 not sure. I don't think Tony's actually gonna gonna connect. 111 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:36,639 I think Tony's a ghost ghost request there. We do 112 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,279 have the phone, yeah, I know, a fucking ghosts. 113 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: We do have all the. 114 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: Lines open over there on call in studio. If you 115 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,040 want to call in, it's five one two nine nine 116 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,720 two four to two. You can ask both Jim and 117 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,480 I about this whole Palm Sunday week, like, what's going 118 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,000 on with that? 119 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: Yep, it looks like Tony was a ghost ghost. Tony 120 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:06,040 the body was not, Yeah, exactly. 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,639 Speaker 4: Can we make it anywhere for the poor guy. 122 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: He probably just had technical issues and here we are 123 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:16,879 making making jokes about him. 124 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,439 Speaker 2: Oh well, well, so the whole ghost thing. 125 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: People go away from the app, you know, they request up, 126 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,639 they forget and everything, and so it's just sort of there. 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,600 So yeah, it's definitely not Tony's fault that. That's definitely 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,199 not what I meant, it's whatever kind of weird thing 129 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:33,680 that the TikTok app has going on over there. 130 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 131 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,959 Speaker 1: Uh so, Jim, I know that we're we're pretty much 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,839 aligned on the whole mythesist sort of thing about you know, 133 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,519 Jesus not existing and everything. And I feel like most 134 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,959 atheists out there probably agree with the Gospel version of 135 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,480 Jesus not ever being a real historical figure. But I'm 136 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,720 kind of curious as far as this week is the 137 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,000 Holy Week, the entrance into Jerusalem and you know, him 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 getting pinned up on the cross and everything like that. 139 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,439 Speaker 2: Where do you think that that kind of comes from? 140 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: Like? 141 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: What? 142 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: What? What? What do you what do you think? 143 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: I guess maybe got the Gospel like Paul and the 144 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:19,560 other people to like invent such an extravagant sort of 145 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:21,759 deal for Jesus. 146 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:22,839 Speaker 4: Well don't don't. 147 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:25,639 Speaker 3: We mostly get that from John, who you know, and 148 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:29,279 John's kind of that whole Jesus superhero thing. 149 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: Right. My take on Matthew and. 150 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: Mark is Jesus as kind of a regular guy. We 151 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,960 get miracles out of him. Granted, none of those miracles 152 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,360 are anything that a stage magician can't do, but we 153 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,720 do get some miracles and all that, but we don't 154 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:53,240 see anything getting We don't see, to my mind anyway, 155 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:58,840 as much of the Jesus as sacrificial lamb except from John, 156 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:04,000 and so I think that's the where we get it 157 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:09,000 all from, right, is he's the sacrifice and therefore part 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:15,759 of a festival or a celebration of the sacrifice, which 159 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:18,600 seems really really weird when we're sacrificing a human and 160 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,399 human sacrifice. Yeah, but I think I don't know how 161 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,559 much of it. I don't think any of it actually 162 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:27,159 comes from Paul. I think it's all John. I mean 163 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,279 at a lot of the supernatural Jesus Christ badass thing 164 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:31,879 comes from John to my mind. 165 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 166 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, John has the more explicit connection 167 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,840 to the Yam Kapoor ritual and everything. So yeah, John 168 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:47,600 definitely is is very very tied into that. Let's see, 169 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 we do have somebody else over there on the TikTok. 170 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: Just let everybody know. 171 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,879 Speaker 1: If you're watching on TikTok and you want to talk 172 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:55,720 to us, just go on ahead, request up. We are 173 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,000 only doing one person at a time, though. 174 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 4: We also have someone on we have a Yeah. 175 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:04,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got someone screening in over there. But I'm 176 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,519 not sure if tiny Rick over there on TikTok is 177 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,320 going to be a friendly or oh, but let's see, 178 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:16,320 we've got tiny Rick coming up. Maybe Yep, there's tiny Rick. 179 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:18,639 Hi there, Tiny Rick. Are you over eighteen? 180 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: I see him? Flash? Oh are you there? Tiny Yeah? 181 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,639 Speaker 4: Can you hear me? Yep? 182 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,039 Speaker 2: I got you. Are you over eighteen? 183 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:31,799 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm thirty nine. 184 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 185 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Okay, what are your what are your pronouns? By the way, 186 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:38,200 I hear him? 187 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 4: Okay? 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: Are you opposition or are you friendly? 189 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely not, No, I'm a huge Frian. I basically just 190 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,200 wanted to say hi because no one else was calling 191 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,960 in and just a quick question. And maybe you can 192 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:54,240 give you a perspective because during the announcements you always 193 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,639 say that the atheist community is about secular humanism and 194 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,480 the separation of church and government. Then I can put 195 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,200 it together right now. But it's for things I think. 196 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:10,240 Do you guys have like one in mind that you 197 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,799 think is kind of on top as it were, and 198 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:18,919 as untke the others follow from that, because I mean. 199 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: I would yeah, so, I mean I would say the 200 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,960 separation of religion and government is probably would probably be 201 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,840 like a top priority. But I think feeding from that 202 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:35,159 are the other things secular humanism, critical thinking, atheism, you know, 203 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,799 atheism as far as like you know, the secular aspect 204 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,879 of atheism. I guess, I don't know what's your opinion there, Jim. 205 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,039 Speaker 3: I think first we need to be clear that we're speaking, 206 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:50,240 you know, that is coming from the Atheist Community of Austin, 207 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,639 which is an organization, a club essentially in Austin, Texas 208 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,559 who puts puts these shows on, So we're not trying 209 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:01,679 to speak for all atheists. 210 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. I hope you weren't taking that, But. 211 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the secular humanism and everything kind 212 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:15,000 of flows really from those ideas, to include separation of 213 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,799 religion and government. 214 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 4: Comes from that. 215 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that as a focus right now, 216 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,200 given how much Christian nationalism has the ear of the 217 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,200 government at the moment, that that is something that we 218 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,799 need to be much more focused on than maybe we have. 219 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: Done the most important thing at the moment. 220 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:44,759 Speaker 1: And then Kelly over there on TikTok says, can I volunteer? 222 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: And yes, you can. You can volunteer. 223 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways in which you can volunteer, 224 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,759 and you can email volunteer at Atheist dash Community dot 225 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,759 org and you can get involved. You We're always looking 226 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,639 for people interested in being part of our productions. We're 227 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,399 looking for you know, crew members. You can be a 228 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:08,919 guest on one of our shows or even eventually become 229 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,799 a host. So you just email volunteer at Atheistdashcommunity dot 230 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,879 org and you can help us out. 231 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: And since you have a call it and if you're 232 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,840 in the Austin area, I'm gonna head out and say 233 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,120 thank you. 234 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: Guys. Have a good evening, all. 235 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: Right, thank you, Tony Rick. I hope you have a 236 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,480 good one. 237 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 238 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,919 Speaker 3: I think sometimes people forget that we are put on 239 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,960 by an organization that exists in Austin when we say 240 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,639 the Atheist Community of Austin. And so it's important, I think, 241 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,799 to make sure we make that distinction when we're when 242 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:49,279 someone's talking about the things the ACA does or. 243 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,519 Speaker 4: Believes or is currently supporting. 244 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: So thanks, like you know, atheists helping the homeless, you know, 245 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:01,759 there's a lot of things. 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And yeah, 284 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,240 we're still waiting on calls to get in here. We 285 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,120 did have somebody that was calling in to complain about pronouns, 286 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,279 so I'm so sorry we're. 287 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: Not gonna be able to address that one. 288 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:35,559 Speaker 1: But now, Jim, what would you say is your biggest 289 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:40,799 complaint about you know, Christianity, maybe Christianity's effects on our 290 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:45,159 current modern like you know, society or culture, Like what 291 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:49,240 kind of things do you notice people doing or people 292 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:51,679 putting out there that seems to be a detriment. 293 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: I think that the biggest petriment is that we have 294 00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:00,200 more churches active churches than we do schools. I mean, 295 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,880 I think that tells us where people's priorities are. Then 296 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:14,359 we have a movement towards taking the funding for charter 297 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,200 schools and trying to move that to religious schools as well. 298 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,519 I think that's the biggest problem that we have, is 299 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:27,279 that secular folk have not fought this hard enough that 300 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:31,480 we can now see, especially with Charlie charter schools, that 301 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,039 money trying to go to private religious schools. I have 302 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,759 a problem with charter schools in general. I was a supporter, 303 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:42,359 but I in the last ten or fifteen years or so, 304 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:45,920 I have become less and less supportive until point where 305 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,119 I'm completely against it. I think it's a really bad 306 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,240 idea for our schools. But I think that's the biggest thing. Right. 307 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:54,960 We can see what the priorities are for this country 308 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 by what they put money towards, and we put more 309 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:01,720 money into building churches than we do you building schools, 310 00:18:01,759 --> 00:18:07,039 and we're trying to put more money into building church 311 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,039 schools rather than good secular schools. That will teach everybody 312 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,240 no matter what. And I think that's it. That's a problem. 313 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I totally agree about that, because you've got 314 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,599 so many efforts going on right now to create voucher 315 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,000 programs so that we can actually use government money to 316 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,480 send kids to private religious schools. And I just don't 317 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,000 think that that should be you know, a use of 318 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,160 money in that kind of way. I think that voucher 319 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,240 programs they really do only seek to support like some 320 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,079 of the richest individuals out there that can actually afford, 321 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:50,599 you know, beyond the whole voucher situation, afford to send 322 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:54,279 their kids to private schools. The voucher programs end up 323 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:58,079 only benefiting, you know, those people that don't actually need 324 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,960 the vouchers, and so that's a really big problem there. 325 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,519 And and of course, you know, they're trying to force 326 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,559 a lot of religion into school nowadays. There's several different Uh, 327 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,240 there's several different efforts. Yeah, Oklahoma, in Texas, Uh, they're 328 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,119 they're they're trying to push the Ten Commandments into schools, 329 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,559 and you know, the Ten Commandments are really kind of 330 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:24,400 bullshit in my opinion, just trying to to get people, 331 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,960 you know, angry in the comments in both locations here. 332 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,519 Speaker 4: Uh call in right? 333 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 334 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:33,519 Speaker 6: Uh? 335 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: The Ten Commandments being being utter bullshit, we can run 336 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:42,000 through those because like the Ten Commandments, uh, you know, 337 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,640 the first three are just God stroking. 338 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,759 Speaker 2: His own ego. I mean, and just to be honest. 339 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,279 Speaker 4: Which version are we going to read? 340 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: Are we going to read the most common where it's 341 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,440 thou shalt not lie rather than thou shalt not bear 342 00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:57,960 false witness against thy neighbor, which are not the same thing, 343 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,079 or thou shalt not kill versus I shall not commit murder, 344 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,079 which again are not the same thing. 345 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,319 Speaker 4: Right, I mean? 346 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: So, which which interpretation are we going with of the 347 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:13,000 the original Hebrew? You know, that's a good question. 348 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: Uh. 349 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: And you know, to be quite honest, I feel like 350 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,480 most Christians, at least the ones that are looking to 351 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,480 push the Ten Commandments into the schools are probably going 352 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,799 to be using some kind of bullshit like Kjvuh. So 353 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,319 they're not even going to be, you know, using anything scholarly. 354 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,559 They just they just want to force kids to believe 355 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,200 in God. It seems that seems to be a case. 356 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 3: I can't I still don't understand why people think the 357 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,200 KJV is worth toilet paper, I mean worth being toilet paper. 358 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,759 Just it's so so bad in its translation. 359 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,079 Speaker 4: It's so obvious that it's trying to. 360 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: Uh harmonize things that can't be harmonized for the simple purpose. 361 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,640 You know, like everywhere in the in the KJV, where 362 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,160 you read word servant, it should really say a slave, 363 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,000 because these people were not paid like we would expect 364 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:10,720 a servant to be. And that's obviously because owning slaves, 365 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,799 even in King James's time, was considered a bad idea 366 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:18,440 and immral. And you can't have the Bible supporting immoral things. 367 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: And yet it clearly supports slavery. 368 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: And if somebody wants to come on and debate that, 369 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,400 we you know, think John and I'd be more unhappy 370 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240 to quote the Bible at you until you realize that 371 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:33,000 you're wronged. 372 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: It does support slavery, right, No, oh, go ahead. 373 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:41,839 Speaker 3: Say it's amazing to me how many people will quote 374 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,200 all the verses except the ones about childle slavery. 375 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 4: They know those, but they don't. 376 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,279 Speaker 3: They're completely surprised when you start quoting all the verses 377 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:51,359 about chidle slavery. 378 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, and if you read that one to them, they're 379 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:56,519 going to be like, I know exactly what you're going 380 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,240 to say right here, and no, this was not owning 381 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,960 them as property. But the funny thing is is that 382 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,960 when you actually read it, it literally says you may 383 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:09,720 own them as property. And it's amazing to me how 384 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:11,440 they'll they'll literally try to. 385 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: Convince you that words do not mean words, you know. 386 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can beat them as long as they 387 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,599 don't die within three days, for they are your And 388 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,680 the most accurate translation is money, right, not even property, 389 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:29,440 it's money, you know. 390 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: Honestly. 391 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,519 Speaker 1: Another area where the slave servant thing is really muddies 392 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:39,680 the waters is when you read the Annunciation of the Lord, 393 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,440 I believe is what it is called, is where Mary 394 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,160 is voluntold to be impregnated. Because at the very end 395 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,960 there I get a lot of people that say, oh, 396 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,880 well Mary agreed to it. She she you know, gave 397 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,440 her consent. But like if you if you literally read 398 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,640 the Corney Greek there it uses the word do a 399 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,039 do they? I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right, 400 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:08,519 but it's do they and do they literally means female slave? Yes, 401 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,880 So like it's the translators literally just transform it into 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,880 servant to make it more palatable and it's kind of 403 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,799 crazy how they do that. 404 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she has never asked whether she wants to 405 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,279 do it. She's told And I dare any Christian to 406 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,440 come on and should and give us the Bible quote 407 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,039 where there is a question mark at the end of 408 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,359 the quote indicating a question. Because we're talking earlier about 409 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,599 Dean Meadows. Dean Meadows says, well, no, here's the quote. 410 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,279 I'm like, there's no question here, dude, where's the question? 411 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, It's like there's there's no question here, right. 412 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:46,759 Speaker 3: She just simply says, well, I'm your slave, so you 413 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:47,799 do whatever you want to be. 414 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 4: You can beat me as long as I don't die. 415 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 3: Within three days, right, And you know that brings up 416 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,039 the whole is God really moral thing, which you know 417 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,559 is another thing that Christians don't like getting beat up on. 418 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: But you don't even and we don't even have to 419 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,000 agree on what the definition of moral is. 420 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: We just ask you very very simple questions, like do 421 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,839 you think it's moral for there to be rules and 422 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:18,480 tests for women to be virgins but not men. I 423 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:25,680 can't find a single piece of evidence that men there's 424 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:32,279 a test for virginity and men not anywhere, right, And 425 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,720 so that brings up a really important question, why not 426 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,480 is that? Is that moral? Do you think that's okay? 427 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,039 Or are you going to say, well, separate but equal? 428 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah? 429 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,599 Speaker 1: I mean you get so many people on like, especially 430 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,279 on TikTok. I've noticed that we'll go to great links 431 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:03,400 to run cover for God's rape attitude here, and they'll 432 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,720 they'll come up with any kind of explanation for why 433 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:11,200 it was okay, including just simply saying that words don't 434 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,200 mean words, you know. And I think it's really ridiculous 435 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,799 that that they go to that, to to those. 436 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,799 Speaker 2: Links, right. 437 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: And this passage is the one where it says that 438 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,799 if a man marries a woman, has sex with her, 439 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,079 decides he doesn't like her, and claims she's not a virgin. 440 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,200 I mean, this is really specific conditions here. Then the 441 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:41,839 parents are to bring the sheets as proof that she was, 442 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,640 in fact or virgin. Now we start talking again about 443 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,880 is this moral? Because only about half of women bleed 444 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,279 the first time they have sex. 445 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,319 Speaker 4: So where is the moral here? Where are the morals? 446 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,519 Is that moral? 447 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:03,599 Speaker 3: Is okay to convict of a crime based on a 448 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,799 physical characteristic that only happens to half of the population. 449 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,440 Is that okay? And it's like, well, I don't think 450 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,559 it is. I mean, how does God not know that 451 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,720 that only happens to half of all women? Why just 452 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:23,759 you know, without even talking about the virginity issue. 453 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 4: And then the. 454 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: Question becomes, well, if you don't believe that separate but 455 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,039 equal is okay, then how does a woman go, I 456 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,599 didn't like having sex with him, so he wasn't a virgin, 457 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,160 therefore I. 458 00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,039 Speaker 4: Want a divorce. How do we prove that? How does 459 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,240 that same thing work in reverse? And it doesn't? 460 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean the 461 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,519 entire like the entire Bible in general, is very you know, 462 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,640 misogynistic and anti woman, and it amazes me how people 463 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:01,559 just don't see that. And I think that instances like 464 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:05,200 you just brought up are you know, incredibly important to 465 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,079 bring up to believers out there, because they regularly don't understand, 466 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,480 you know, they don't understand like how bad the religion is. 467 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,759 And that's why I don't know. I don't know about you, 468 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,480 but Jim, but I like running with the whole idea 469 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:24,039 that Christianity does more harm than good, and like the 470 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:28,240 amount of misogyny, like systemic misogyny that it's created and 471 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,440 has facilitated. I think that that definitely more than suffices 472 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,480 for it. But I'm kind of curious, what's your take 473 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,799 on that particular statement, like Christianity doing more harm than good. 474 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we can just look at how often 475 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,079 Christianity has had to resort to violence. I mean, I 476 00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,880 don't think we can say that Christianity has spread because 477 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,640 of the quality of their arguments. Clearly we don't buy 478 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,359 any of the arguments. They all are flawed. None of 479 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,839 them address the problem of evil or any of its premises. 480 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,160 And I think if you're going to claim that there 481 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,039 is some sort of omnipotent, omniscient, omni benevolent God out there, 482 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,640 that you need to deal with the problem of evil. 483 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,240 And I think that's why I think the problem of 484 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160 evil is why you don't see that triumvir in God 485 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,559 show up in the first century. 486 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,759 Speaker 4: He's what a second third century invention and I don't. 487 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: So, you know, I just if you're not dealing with that. 488 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:37,000 If you're not, I forgot the question. I'm sorry, I 489 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:37,960 got off on a tangent. 490 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, you're fine. 491 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: Just your general sentiment on whether Christianity does more harm 492 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,200 than good. 493 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the quality of the violence from the very 494 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,720 beginning there are you know, they when they first got 495 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,920 a hold of the first Roman emperor, I started working 496 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,599 on making it punishable by death to believe in any God. 497 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 4: But there's and you you have those kinds of punishments happening. 498 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:04,519 You have. 499 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,599 Speaker 3: You know, the Crusades, the conquistadors, and even up into 500 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,839 the eighteen hundreds, you have Native American children being ripped 501 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,200 from their families taken to religious schools where you know, 502 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,400 every single one of those schools that I'm aware of 503 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,240 that we have some sort of mass grave or grave 504 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:31,839 of those children who died. So I think you can 505 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,720 just look at that history and go, this is stuff 506 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,799 that's still happening today. The Catholic Church is still playing 507 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,279 you know, hide the priest, when the priest is playing 508 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:48,119 hide to Salami with kids, you know, and it's it's 509 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,039 not I just don't see anything any benefit at all 510 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,880 we currently. You know, I think we can trace a 511 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,359 lot of our current geopolitical one way or the other two, 512 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,880 not just Christian religion, but religion in general. And that's 513 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,200 a problem. I mean, you have the Israelis who believe 514 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,559 that their country is given to them by God, and 515 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,240 really it was given to them by the United Nations. 516 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,960 So yeah, I just I think there are problems when 517 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,559 you start saying I am holier than you, and you 518 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,960 start creating these divisions based on what people believe. And 519 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,240 now we have three thousand different Christian denominations or a 520 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:34,279 thousand or harbor. 521 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: Many we actually have. That begins to be problematic. 522 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:43,839 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, no, I totally agree, it is very problematic. 523 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,759 We do have somebody that has managed to get through 524 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,680 our call screeners over there on callin studio. 525 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,839 Speaker 2: Are you ready to take a call? 526 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, it's going to be the best of topics, 527 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,319 totally totally on topic for the eighth is community of Austin, 528 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,599 and that's going to be Daniel from Mexico City over there, 529 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,279 wanting to complain about pronouns. 530 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,759 Speaker 2: What's up there, Daniel, how are you doing? 531 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,079 Speaker 7: Hey, I'm going to find I'm just a victor. I 532 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,279 don't have like anything against like different genders or of anyone. 533 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,839 Speaker 8: Not signing their own gender. Just a victor. 534 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 7: I don't believe that everyone has the right pus signed 535 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,559 down gender. And I don't have a problem with anyone. 536 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,400 I just want to make that clear, right, my okay, 537 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,599 when is the so when is the PAULK. Let's say, 538 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,319 for example, if I watch any other show, right, let's 539 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,440 say I'm channing on something on the tree or any 540 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,319 other jutube channel, it is pretty common to believe, like 541 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,680 the for some presenting the show is the gender that 542 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,119 we think of. 543 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,279 Speaker 4: Right. 544 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,279 Speaker 7: Let's say, for example, for a man, and I would 545 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,160 just use like men and female as like the generate one, 546 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,079 and men and women. 547 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,519 Speaker 8: As each other. 548 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,319 Speaker 7: If that's not a problem, right, If I see a 549 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,720 man like presenting the show, I usually I believe like 550 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:05,160 he's a man and he like a scientist, so much him. 551 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,119 If it's a woman, basically the same or if it's 552 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,839 femalely is basically the same. And basically I'm asking the 553 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:12,640 question because. 554 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,519 Speaker 8: I believe like this generated manstraction with the general public. 555 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 7: Right, because there are extremely just like that are. 556 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 8: Like extreme and some religion. 557 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 7: I believe that there are extremes on like gender extremes, 558 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,640 so basically anything, and I believe like shrong the level 559 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,039 the general's more preations with the general. 560 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,079 Speaker 8: Public than not trying. 561 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 7: If anyone like ask for it. I think that it 562 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:37,759 is an option. I don't have a problem with that, 563 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:38,920 but by the fault, I think that. 564 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:39,799 Speaker 4: General explo. 565 00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,119 Speaker 3: So so, have you ever walked down the street and 566 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,599 he used the wrong the wrong gender version exuda the 567 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:51,039 Spanish is fairly is very heavily gender specific. Have you 568 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,000 ever used the wrong gender on somebody by accident? 569 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,079 Speaker 9: It's not on the street, not really, Yeah, not really, 570 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:03,400 but yeah, I don't it happens, right because guys, guys 571 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,480 sometimes have long hair, they're they're not as you know, 572 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,119 they're not what you expect and say use the wrong 573 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,480 gender or vice versa. 574 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 4: We just have to do it on screen to prevent that. 575 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: Right, And I mean, how do you know? How do 576 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,920 you know how somebody identifies without asking them or or 577 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,039 without them, you know, telling you how to address them? 578 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:26,759 Like it it seems rather pretentious of you to be like, well, 579 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,400 I know how they identify because I can just visually 580 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,599 identify them in whatever way I want to identify them. 581 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,799 You know that kind of seems pretentious to me, does 582 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:36,039 it not? 583 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,599 Speaker 7: Well, it is a little bit, to be honest. I 584 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,680 don't want to just say it's not like it has 585 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,799 got to do with that, but I think that everyone 586 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:47,400 will agree like ninety nine. 587 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 8: Sorry, I didn't want to say that because it is not. 588 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 7: I'm not actual, But let's say like nine percent blocks 589 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,160 of the people that we mean on a general basis 590 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200 will be the gender that everythink they are, Like, I 591 00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,720 don't tell you. 592 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,799 Speaker 2: Do you think that you should make that assumption? 593 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,079 Speaker 3: Though? 594 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's a reasonable assumption that you 595 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480 should be making for everybody? Because what it sounds like 596 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,440 to me is that you're saying is that, well, unless 597 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,840 I am told otherwise, I should automatically identify people with 598 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,960 however I perceive them to identify. And why is it 599 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,119 not just more polite and better in general to just 600 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,159 ask people how they identify? And with us presenting how 601 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,119 people identify on screen, we're just making sure that people 602 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,559 know how to address people so that we can have 603 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:42,400 a nice, respectful conversation. The conversation only gets combative when 604 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,199 people refuse to identify, like, you know, to comply with 605 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,360 our identification rules. It's only at that point where you know, 606 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,760 we start to get a bit you know, I guess 607 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440 combative in our conversation because people don't want to do that, 608 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,880 and it really kind of perplexes as to why people 609 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,920 wouldn't want to do that. 610 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 7: No, the thing is, I agree, but there are two 611 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,360 points in that argument that you just made. One. Yeah, 612 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,320 I think that as I mentioned everyone or almost everyone, 613 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,840 you will be able to see or assume that. I 614 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,639 don't want to use the wrong the wrong world because 615 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,239 I don't want to solve that, but to be honest, 616 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,079 but let's say, for example, if you see someone on 617 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,840 antiv or if you see someone on the street, ninety 618 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920 five ninety six percent of the tanger will be correct 619 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,920 on why the of the general you're generalizing right. Obviously 620 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,519 you can make mistakes, but I think that, for example, 621 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,280 if you're presenting a show and you are the gender 622 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,920 that ninety five percent of the people seeing you will 623 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,119 assume you are. I don't think that there is a 624 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,159 problem with just keeping that right. 625 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 3: And I don't think when I use gender neutral pronouns, 626 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,519 why why not just use gender neutral language until you 627 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,519 find out to do that as the default. I don't know. 628 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,679 Speaker 7: The thing is, and maybe that's just my percise things 629 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:06,920 and my experience living in Mexico. I know that there 630 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,440 are different cultures in the world and different cities, and 631 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:14,119 even like the culture can varigate it in different cities, 632 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,679 but for example, in Mexico, it is somewhat offensive just 633 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320 to say the least if you refer to someone as 634 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,440 gender mutual when you're meeting up right, because there are 635 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,199 It is not like it's not like the people would 636 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,280 get defensive or they want or they would try to 637 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,519 fight you. But usually if you're talking to a man 638 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,239 like it is in at least in the Mexican culture, 639 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,519 it is respectful for them to just call them okay, 640 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,639 good nature or nice to me interest something like that, right, 641 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,519 And I don'tize that. I don't think that'd be correctical, right, because. 642 00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 8: I have to mention that different culture change. 643 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not just American culture needs changed, you know, 644 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,000 in the US, so we have the same thing. It's 645 00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:04,000 just that English is has less under specific downs ad verbs, right, 646 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,079 but still and that the culture's got. 647 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 4: To change too. 648 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,119 Speaker 3: It's not right to make assumptions about people based on 649 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,440 bare facts like what people are wearing, because if you 650 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:19,440 go back, you know, one hundred years, you will find 651 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:24,719 men and women wearing very different clothes today or even 652 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,440 two hundred years, right, because you go back to in 653 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,360 the US, we go back to colonial times, and we 654 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,320 see that men were wearing makeup, men were wearing wigs, 655 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,719 men were wearing heels, men were wearing corsets, not women, 656 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,880 and actually seventeen hundreds early eighteen hundreds, it doesn't. 657 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 4: Take Yeah, it happens after that. 658 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: So making assumptions based on what people are wearing doesn't seem. 659 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,679 Speaker 4: Like a good way to address people. 660 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,039 Speaker 3: Much better to do it and and show real respect 661 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,719 for them by being gender natral until you find out 662 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,519 what you wish. 663 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 4: To be called. 664 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 7: I think that I will agree with that if I 665 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,960 were living in the jus right for a couple of meals, 666 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,159 even if you mentioned that's not bad way. 667 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,639 Speaker 1: Daniel, I'm wondering, do you recognize that US normalizing the 668 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,639 you know, requiring pronouns, having pronouns next to our name 669 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,719 so that people can properly identifies Do you recognize that 670 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,159 as a as US actively trying to uh support like 671 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,480 the trans community and actively support not just automatically assuming gender. 672 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,159 Speaker 7: I suppose the one I think like asking everyone, yeah, 673 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,079 let me go, like pret the other. I believe that 674 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,199 the first one is is a good one, is a 675 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,719 good polive someone else and you need to do that. 676 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,760 They Tald to them in the show, asking them. 677 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 8: What gender they are, what the gender they want to use? 678 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,280 So what pronounced they want to use? 679 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 7: I think that sad thing, right, because again, somewhat with 680 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,719 a different gender will cultivation one. You have no another 681 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,880 queue or another clues to pleasically try to assign agenda. Right, 682 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,880 I think that's a good so right, Okay, so you're 683 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,280 you're all would I be accurate? 684 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: Would I be accurate in assuming that the the only 685 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,159 thing that you're complaining about right now is the fact 686 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,599 that Jim and I as well as other hosts, put 687 00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:27,960 our pronouns on the screen. 688 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,119 Speaker 2: Is that what you're complaining about? 689 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 7: It is not a complaint, as I mentioned, it is 690 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,519 the format of the show. I'm just wondering why should 691 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:40,039 that if that generates a lot of fraction. For example, 692 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,920 I might say that because I have recommendedition to multiple 693 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,760 people and a lot of them have asked me, Okay, 694 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,679 what do they have? The gender is like, n I 695 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,920 keep using that and let me change that? What keep 696 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,719 the majority of the horse like have the this the 697 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,039 gender that I think they have? Let's say that way? 698 00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 8: Right? 699 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 7: They just different way, I think, and maybe a little 700 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,920 bit more. But I think that's having that by the culture. 701 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 I telettle bit more friction. I don't think it is 702 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,400 a bad thing for me. 703 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,039 Speaker 3: No, it creates from the giant people, Daniel. It only 704 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,000 creates friction with people who are transphobs. 705 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 7: I don't think so, to be honest, I have known. 706 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: Remember, hey, Daniel, which of us has been doing this 707 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,280 show for over ten years with his pronouns next to 708 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,440 his name and does other shows? And which of us 709 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,199 on here is hosts their own show with uh with 710 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,679 their pronouns and would know more about the friction that 711 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,800 gets generated than you. 712 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 7: I think that I'm the first one that I'm mentioned it, 713 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,400 because I don't think that I'm the only one that 714 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,000 thinks about it. 715 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 4: Oh no, you're not. 716 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,119 Speaker 1: Go ahead, John, Sorry, Well, I was just gonna say 717 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,280 I I even on TikTok I ask people their pronouns 718 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,599 because sometimes they just crash out immediately when I ask 719 00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,880 them for their pronouns, because they think that it's some 720 00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,159 kind of weird agenda that they want to attribute to 721 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,559 trans people or uh something like that, And it's because 722 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,639 they're transphobic. It's because they want to push you know, 723 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,960 their own heteronormative or not not necessarily heteronormative, but but 724 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,400 you know, transphobic sort of standards for everybody. They just 725 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,159 want to be able to assume everybody is the gender 726 00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,440 that they perceive them as. They also want to have 727 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:33,960 the ability to call trans people the their their sex 728 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,800 assigned to birth. 729 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,519 Speaker 2: So like that's I mean, that's what they want to do. 730 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 7: With that's. 731 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 4: Huh. 732 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,199 Speaker 7: I'm to be honest, I think that's not. As I mentioned, 733 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,599 it is dumb to like trying to normatize if. 734 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 4: Someone because bot that's why you no, no. 735 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,119 Speaker 7: No, no, maybe you misunderstand me. I think that it's 736 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,440 dumb for people so force that one on other people. 737 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,880 I think that everyone has has a mention. 738 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 4: I think that. 739 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,599 Speaker 8: Everyone has a right to assign it own gender. 740 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,079 Speaker 7: Right, and you should be able to spain to other people, 741 00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:09,920 and the other people should be able to use such 742 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,599 a when they are speaking to you and we're referring 743 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,599 to do I hope that's it, right, What I mention 744 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,079 is so some people, like the general public is not 745 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,719 really talking about this in general, right that gender. To 746 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,719 be honest, different gender really only comes in in the 747 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,440 plane a conversation when someone has a different gender, right, 748 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,639 Usually we don't really think, Okay, I need to present 749 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,360 myself as him, at least not in. 750 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 8: The general or at least not in my culture as imagined. 751 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,159 Speaker 7: I'm coming and my opinions are reflected on my culture. 752 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,519 Speaker 2: Right or my culture. 753 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:44,159 Speaker 4: Right right. 754 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,039 Speaker 1: So so Daniel, I just want to say, right, like, 755 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,920 we're based in the United States, and the United States, Uh, 756 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,880 the trans community is under fire right now. They're being 757 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,760 targeted specifically. There's many bills that are going through various 758 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,280 levels of government that are specifically targeting trans people. So 759 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,280 like asking people for their pronouns and making sure that 760 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,400 we're identifying people correctly and normalizing that kind of process, 761 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,280 that kind of workflow in normal conversation is an important 762 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400 thing because what it says to the trans community is 763 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,400 that we see you, we hear you, and we want 764 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,960 you to be accepted in our in in society in general, 765 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,800 not our society, but in society in general. So that's 766 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,519 what we're trying to promote with this. We're trying to 767 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,079 normalize it. We're trying to get people used to not 768 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,320 necessarily identifying or you know, not not necessarily assuming somebody's gender. 769 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,519 Speaker 2: So that's the reason why we're doing it. And if 770 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:40,880 it's a. 771 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: Problem for your particular culture. Maybe that's a sign that 772 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,480 your culture needs to change instead of forcing trans people 773 00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,280 to change, you know, to meet the status quo of 774 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,920 your culture. 775 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't think. I don't mean that 776 00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,760 starts people love that. I will agree that Mexican culture 777 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,960 are more problems, like even like Harsher problems in Mexico 778 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,239 sat right now, that not. 779 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 8: Even related to the trans community. 780 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 7: And I will agree that maybe allow him, sorry not allowed, 781 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,760 maybe asking or being proactive on this. Maybe it is 782 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,800 a I got things and leading indigeous culture. I just yeah. Basically, 783 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,480 the thing is I have recommended the show to people 784 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,440 in Mexico, right and some people in the jus, but 785 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,360 not that much because I live. 786 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,559 Speaker 8: In Mexico, so it will be hard for me to recommend. 787 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,559 Speaker 7: Conditions to people. So that's that's what's the question. Really 788 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400 is nothing as a measure, is nothing as the trust 789 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,199 committee and not even like the twos community. 790 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 8: There are other communities that use different genders. 791 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 7: Let's say, for example, if maybe there's some weird but 792 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,360 I have a a friend of suffering and he just 793 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,480 is like other pronounces and I agree with him. In 794 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,559 nine persant of noting my percent of the issues, right, 795 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,760 Like we believe in global warming, we believe in like 796 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,719 we've got AGAs, we will have like a lot of 797 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,519 similar beliefs. It's just like it's like part of that culture. 798 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,719 And when I talk to him, I just each other sometimes. 799 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,199 Speaker 8: Like how you mispronounce it. 800 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 7: Like I'm not even sin gener that is something is 801 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280 another thing. Sorry, I will mispronounce it in English if 802 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,480 I try to do so, right, because I think that 803 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,880 makes lingo. But I don't have a problem with that. 804 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,119 Speaker 8: I just was wondering why was that the population? 805 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 7: And yeah, I think that may be because. 806 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,559 Speaker 3: We recognize to be part of the problem or part 807 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:26,239 of the solution to the culture needing to change, and 808 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,079 we choose to be part of the solution, not part 809 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,920 of the problem. 810 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,519 Speaker 4: Those are your. 811 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 3: Choices be part of the problem or part of the solution, 812 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,480 unless you talk about chemistry, in which your case you 813 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,920 are either part of the solution or part of the precipitate. 814 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 7: I think that there is an option for being new 815 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,079 two and I don't think that there is like anything 816 00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:50,320 growing the neutral and that was being my point, but 817 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,239 I think that being part of the solution is inside. 818 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 3: That's where the fault is to be part of the solution, 819 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,800 not part of the problem, because too is not to decide, 820 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,159 is still to make a choice, right, Choosing the lesser 821 00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:04,800 of two evils is still choosing evil. 822 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, But the point is like maybe at least in 823 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,199 some cases, let's say, for example, and again to the 824 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,039 to the question not showing the like the gender by 825 00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:20,639 the phone, I don't think that is part of the problem. 826 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,679 It's not like everyically everything the sol of the problem 827 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,880 like life tmssion will be put putting. 828 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,639 Speaker 3: Our putting our pronouns everywhere, And my pronouns are everywhere 829 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,800 on every piece of social media I have, whether I'm 830 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,519 at work or uh out in public. My pronouns are 831 00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,519 out there because I want to be part of the solution, 832 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,400 not the problem. 833 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 4: I choose that or not. 834 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 7: No, I and I understand, like what I was asking 835 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:53,119 them basically because of us or My point was, I 836 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,800 don't see anything wrong in having that by the poone. Right, 837 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:58,079 there are some places where it is the police that 838 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,679 is mandatory, and I think that that's a little bit 839 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,079 risky because you start like making friction, right, and that's 840 00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,079 what I meant to start the show, Like I think 841 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,559 that maybe by that with mandatory or by that people, 842 00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,920 so they think that there is some friction with people 843 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,159 that I don't really thinking about it. And if they 844 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400 meet like someone that is runs, someone that has a 845 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,159 different gender, we don't refuse to call them by that 846 00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,039 because I think that the only people and this is 847 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:24,119 my personal opinion. 848 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,639 Speaker 8: I will not try to generalize it, but. 849 00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 7: I think that people who like denies or refuse to 850 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,079 refer to someone else with the genderly prefer are just 851 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,920 like next to be honest and sorry for the one, 852 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,320 but they are either bed or pick up or something 853 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,559 like that. 854 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 8: I don't think that's the general people. 855 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:50,079 Speaker 3: Like if you ask, like if you to call somebody 856 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:54,159 by their correct name because they have changed their name, 857 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,519 simply because they have changed their name to a gender, 858 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840 a name that is associated with the gender you don't 859 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,719 think they are, and you refuse to use that name 860 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,840 or those pronouns, you are a bigot by definition. 861 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, But I don't think that the majority of 862 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,000 the people have bigots. Maybe I'm brong. 863 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,599 Speaker 3: Because well, so the majority of people don't have a 864 00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,039 problem with you, at least in the United States, don't 865 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,440 have a problem with using general natural mojority of people 866 00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:26,440 United States tend to not want to be biggots, and 867 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,000 they recognize bigotry when they see it. Now, the Mexic 868 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:32,519 culture may be different. Maybe you maybe have some problems, 869 00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,400 but there are only two solutions. Be part of the 870 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,199 problem or part of this or they're only two choices. 871 00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:37,800 You'll be part of the problem or part of the solution. 872 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,880 That's it. 873 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just well, just to jump in here real quick. 874 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:51,559 Speaker 1: I know that Mexico has a pretty predominant like Catholic community. 875 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,159 Like in Mexico, I don't know if you are Catholic 876 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,960 or if you know Catholic persons, but generally Catholic people 877 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,239 are you know, transphobic. I mean, they don't want to 878 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,679 recognize trans people in the community. 879 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:05,639 Speaker 2: They don't want to. 880 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,079 Speaker 1: Recognize the fact that gender is more of a social 881 00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,239 construct than anything else. They don't want to recognize it 882 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,679 when people transition. At least, this is what our experience 883 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,719 is here in the States. Do you have a different 884 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,159 experience or David Daniel, sorry Daniel. 885 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 4: That way. 886 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 7: The thing is, Mexican culture is changing a lot. In 887 00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:32,639 the last let's say, Tonnagers, Mexico's really Catholic like extremely 888 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:36,960 Catholic and just by basically the results of the Mexican 889 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,719 colonization and the post conversions in Mexico. Right, but in 890 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,079 the last stwentage use you will be hard press to 891 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:48,800 find someone jong by John and me fully less years 892 00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,639 that still goes to schurch like every week and something 893 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,679 like that. So it is changing a lot. You can 894 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,639 even see like that shows you can start looking like 895 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440 seeing things like that, so it is not a strict 896 00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,639 as well. You can still see like old people like 897 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,400 with those views, at least in my experience. Right, maybe 898 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440 you can see like some extreme people or some people 899 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,920 that were yeah basically take it to charge like every 900 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,519 weekend and things like that, but it is less common nowadays, 901 00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,880 to be honest, it is more free, more more open. 902 00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,159 In fact, you can we I think that we have 903 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,639 like a researchers on the famous movement lately, and the 904 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,280 same with the LGBT two community. We have like lgbt 905 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,199 coperags in like our capital city and things like that. 906 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 8: So it is not like that lately. 907 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 7: But yeah, it was like. 908 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 8: That like maybe twenty thirty years ago. 909 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 2: Okay, uh, like that's my question. 910 00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:44,079 Speaker 8: I don't think that. 911 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,039 Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, no, Well, I was just gonna say, I, 912 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,960 you know, I don't live in Mexico, so I don't 913 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,519 know what the culture is like there. So but as 914 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:57,920 far as like us presenting our pronouns, it's just our 915 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,719 we're trying to like uh, like Jim was saying, we're 916 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,159 trying to be part of the solution by making sure 917 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:08,280 that people have become accustomed to seeing pronouns and bio 918 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,920 pronouns next to our names so that they can accurately 919 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000 get a sense of. 920 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,159 Speaker 2: How we identify. 921 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,039 Speaker 1: Is what you know, is the effort that we're putting forth, 922 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,320 and it's the effort that I put forth on you know, 923 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,360 all of my social media platforms, uh and everything that 924 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,159 I do. And so I'm yeah, that's what I'm I'm 925 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:28,960 definitely trying to do there. 926 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,760 Speaker 7: Okay, man, I think I can respect that one. I 927 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,039 don't think that that should be difficult just by the 928 00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:38,920 pretendic grips, but I can respect. 929 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,280 Speaker 1: The Okay, all right, Well, is that all that you 930 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,760 wanted to talk about today there, Daniel? 931 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, basically I have it like some of the things 932 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,199 that I will like maybe which but I think that 933 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,880 I have to time on the show. 934 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Daniel. Appreciate you. 935 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, Sam, but. 936 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: Sorry, I've got my I'm trying this thing where I'm 937 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,480 using my tablet over here, trying to be all fancy 938 00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:16,280 with multiple gadgets going. Uh, but it sometimes it does 939 00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,000 it doesn't want to respond to my touch. But anyways, 940 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,639 we don't have anybody else in Q on either TikTok 941 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280 or in call in studio. If you would like to 942 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,480 challenge us on this holy sacrificial week that we have 943 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:33,920 such a problem with, definitely call in. The number is 944 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,480 five one two nine nine one nine two four two. 945 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,360 We would love to take your call. We would love 946 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,920 to interact with you on how pointless Jesus' sacrifice was 947 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,440 because he did not he just sacrificed the weekend and 948 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:49,760 he could have just as easily changed as mind. So 949 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,199 he literally just likes bdsm it kind of it makes 950 00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:57,960 it seem like But anyways, Uh, we don't have If 951 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,280 you're over there on TikTok. By the way, if you 952 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000 can tippy tap on the screen there so that we 953 00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:08,039 can get the the feed out to the rest of TikTok, 954 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,119 so it we can bring some people in also if 955 00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:12,880 you haven't shared it yet, Uh, take take the time 956 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,159 to like repost it, share it with a friend that 957 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,639 you know, uh, you know, maybe has an. 958 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 2: Issue with atheists or mythicists. 959 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 4: Like uh, you know I was. 960 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,119 Speaker 1: I was bringing up at the beginning. Both Jim and 961 00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:28,039 I are mythsis in that respect. So definitely call in 962 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,519 and we would love to interact with you. The number 963 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,280 once again is five one two nine nine two four two, 964 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,599 or just hit that little request up icon over there 965 00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:41,719 on the Tikety Talk. Now, Jim, I'm wondering for you 966 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,480 growing up, was was Easter week or like Easter this 967 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:46,280 time of year? 968 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,599 Speaker 2: Was that like really big for you? 969 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,119 Speaker 4: Oh? 970 00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,559 Speaker 3: I was Catholic, so yeah, we did the whole length 971 00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:57,559 thing CANi meat not only fish on Fridays. You know, 972 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:02,039 I went to Catholic school about half the years I 973 00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:08,239 was in school, uh you know, K through twelve. So yeah, 974 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,119 if you want to go, you know cafeteria, you were 975 00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:15,679 getting you know, non meat dishes, et cetera. 976 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:19,119 Speaker 4: The whole giving something up for Lent was a big thing. 977 00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:23,039 Speaker 3: On the first day of Lenton class and when I 978 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,920 was when we weren't going to to U a parochial school, 979 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,280 we were in CCD classes. So those are the you know, 980 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,440 evening classes for Catholics, basically for Catholic children. I forget, 981 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:40,079 I forget what CCD even stands for anymore, but it's 982 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:44,719 you know, the Sunday school for for Catholics is on 983 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,599 the weekday because we don't really do Sunday school, you 984 00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,039 know that the Mass things a little bit different. 985 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 4: But so yeah, it was always a big deal. 986 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 3: And then of course, uh sunrise service on Easter morning. 987 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,480 You know, it was always on the way that my 988 00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:07,440 family tried to make we were not twice a year Catholics. 989 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,719 We were every single Sunday, Sunday, Sunday Sunday. 990 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, uh yeah. 991 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,679 Speaker 1: I grew up Catholic too, But you know, I was 992 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,119 a pretty lazy Catholic to be quite honest. Like I 993 00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,480 was just a Catholic because my parents told us. It 994 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,320 told me to, you know, go to Catholic church and 995 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,000 everything like that. So like I really wasn't like all 996 00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,199 into like the whole theology of it. I went to 997 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,840 private Catholic school and so like every Easter, right about 998 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,440 the time of Easter, we would have like Stations of 999 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,800 the Cross, right we'd have to. 1000 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 2: Go through and memorize. 1001 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: And that was that was kind of crazy to have 1002 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,039 to go through that because it was you know, growing 1003 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:48,039 up now looking back at it now, like it's so 1004 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:50,880 it's it really is so crazy because with Catholics. I 1005 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,920 don't know if many people know this distinction out there, 1006 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,159 but Catholics they they don't just have the cross like 1007 00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,599 they go crucifix right, like, they totally go all in 1008 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,679 with the crucifix. 1009 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 2: They they. 1010 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: Have the bloody Jesus up there and everything like that. 1011 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,239 And when they make kids do the stations of the 1012 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,079 Cross like that, you literally have to walk through each 1013 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,239 station and like it's like, oh and Jesus got beat 1014 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,280 the shit out of here and he dropped to his 1015 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,280 knees and he dropped to his knees three times, and 1016 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,320 you have to do that like every three times. 1017 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 2: Is where Jesus like dropped to his knees and everything 1018 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,199 like that. It's just it's crazy. 1019 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. The rituals are and the rituals 1020 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,320 are kind of interesting to you, I think from a 1021 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,239 perspective of you go to another Catholic church in a 1022 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,880 country whose language you don't speak, and you can still 1023 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,159 participate in the mass. You're just reading the English version, 1024 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,880 not the in my case, we're reading the Korean or 1025 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,920 a Korean Catholic church, and of course the entire services 1026 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,519 in Korean. But we're following along because we know which 1027 00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:00,280 prayers they are using for that day for the hire 1028 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,920 a service, and so we can follow along and read 1029 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,400 the passages that are being read. 1030 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,079 Speaker 4: The eucharistic prayers. 1031 00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:11,360 Speaker 3: We know which ones are going to be using for 1032 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,360 that particular day in most cases, and so. 1033 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,840 Speaker 4: You can read along with the whole thing. 1034 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 3: And I've seen very see now the old people participating 1035 00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,639 fully in the service, simply because it's. 1036 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 4: So ingrained in them. You know, I think you've heard 1037 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,280 the joke. 1038 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 3: It just gets up to the very beginning and realizes 1039 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,840 that there's something wrong with the microphone and he sayss 1040 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,679 just loud enough to be heard but not understood, there's 1041 00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:40,280 something wrong with this microphone. And the congregations responds and 1042 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,800 also with you, which is only really funny if you're 1043 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,800 kind of like because you know what their response. 1044 00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:53,199 Speaker 1: You know, I have this tick though that you know, 1045 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,639 because I like Star Wars and whenever it's like. 1046 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,039 Speaker 2: May the Force be with you, I always want to go. 1047 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:10,199 Speaker 3: And also, yeah, those calls and responses get ingrained in you, 1048 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,400 and there's a lot of them. 1049 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: The one thing that I liked about Catholic mass though, 1050 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,280 was that as a kid, like I had, I had 1051 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,400 a a you know, a very analytical brain, and so 1052 00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,719 like I was able, like after a few of the masses, 1053 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,159 I was able to figure out the routine right, right, 1054 00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,440 And so I knew the second time we went to 1055 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,320 our knees and prayed, we were almost out of church, 1056 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:34,880 and so like I would just be it would be 1057 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,880 like nails on the talkboard until we got to that 1058 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,519 second time we knelt down. And then once we did that, 1059 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,039 I'm like home stretch home strippers to get the funk 1060 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:43,360 out of. 1061 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,559 Speaker 3: Here and whatever you your father, don't take too long after. 1062 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 4: Communion, We're done. Time to go. 1063 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:53,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1064 00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,519 Speaker 10: Yeah, Well I was an ultra boy too, and I 1065 00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,440 was primarily an ultra boy because it was less boring 1066 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,719 than setting in the po uh yeah, because you had 1067 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,480 to get up and do stuff, but you also had 1068 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,960 to be you know, a lot less obnoxious up up 1069 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,599 top there where everyone can see you. 1070 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: Uh So, just we do have somebody in the queue 1071 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,599 over here on a call a call in, we don't 1072 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,039 have anybody over there on TikTok. If you are on 1073 00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:25,360 TikTok and you disagree with the atheist position, or you 1074 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,159 disagree with secular humanism, or if you think that church 1075 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:32,079 needs to be deeply integrated into the state, then do 1076 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:32,840 request up. 1077 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,039 Speaker 2: We would love to talk to you, but right. 1078 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,639 Speaker 1: Now we are going to get to and over there 1079 00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:40,280 on Colin's studio. 1080 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,280 Speaker 2: Uh, welcome up and how are you doing? 1081 00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,039 Speaker 11: I'm fine. How are you guys today? 1082 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,679 Speaker 2: Doing pretty good? 1083 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 4: Yep? 1084 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,519 Speaker 11: I'm sorry. 1085 00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I was just asking what you were wanted to 1086 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:01,719 talk about today. 1087 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 12: Well, I did call in on one topic regarding the 1088 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,119 last call, but you guys were talking so much about 1089 01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:15,039 Catholicism and I felt like it was the story of 1090 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:15,679 my life. 1091 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,079 Speaker 11: I grew up in a very Catholic bubble growing. 1092 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 3: Up, I. 1093 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 11: Mean large family. I had nine siblings. We were all 1094 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,880 named after saints. I don't even know what saints. 1095 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,199 Speaker 13: Are about anyway, or where they come from or how 1096 01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:43,039 they seem to be because I supposedly, you know, my 1097 01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:45,440 name Anne was supposed to be after Saint Anne, but 1098 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,039 I don't know that she even existed. And this is 1099 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:54,159 only something I've only been recently thinking about, you know, 1100 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,559 from all. 1101 01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 11: These shows and I think, who are these saints? Where'd 1102 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,639 they come from? Were they real? 1103 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,719 Speaker 4: Those are really good questions. 1104 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,800 Speaker 3: And to make it even weirder, it's only the Roman 1105 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,239 Catholic Church that does it. The Eastern Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, 1106 01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,519 and the Coptics don't do it. 1107 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,599 Speaker 4: It's only the Roman Catholics that that have the whole 1108 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:16,400 saint thing. 1109 01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 3: And the whole intercession of saints where you pray to 1110 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,840 a saint to go talk to God, you know about something. 1111 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,719 Is is kind of weird too, But yeah, I don't know, 1112 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:32,000 I should really look into that because that might be 1113 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,119 an interesting story, is to figure out when why the 1114 01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:39,039 Catholic Church puts emphasis on on these saints saint to folks. 1115 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that they just recently inducted in a 1116 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,360 the first gen Z saints and uh, you know, honestly, 1117 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:53,719 the saints when that whenever, whenever somebody gets sainted or whatnot, 1118 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,639 it seems really weird because like they have to verify 1119 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,159 miracles that happen after their deaths, right, and so it's real. 1120 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,360 It's really odd to me how they can verify that, 1121 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,280 because it's always like, oh, well I had a sliver 1122 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,760 of his shirt and we were like hey, please heal 1123 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,320 this person. 1124 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,519 Speaker 2: And then the person got healed. 1125 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, they just took tail and all 1126 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:19,719 and yeah they're fine now. But I mean, it's not 1127 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,719 a miracle. That's just something that we understand. You just 1128 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,119 attach it to this object and everything. It's it's actually 1129 01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,760 quite weird, like the whole saint part. But that's also 1130 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,800 why there are some people out there that say that 1131 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,519 Catholics aren't Christian because of well, they worship you know, Mary, 1132 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:38,559 or they pray to Mary, but they also pray to 1133 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,360 the other saints. 1134 01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 11: That sounds like my mom. You know, if you're having 1135 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,840 a problem, she'll tell you to pray to this saint 1136 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,199 or that saint, you know, whichever one is the patron 1137 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,639 saint of whatever. Mom I asked her one time, my 1138 01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:06,800 mom ever prayed directly to God. Yeah, sometimes, Okay, I 1139 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,639 don't I don't. 1140 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,519 Speaker 14: Understand why these middle men are in there. 1141 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can here with a lot of people. 1142 01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a good question. I mean, I don't. 1143 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 14: Go ahead and sorry, well, none of them are in 1144 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,840 the Bible, right, you know, there are all people who 1145 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,920 lived after the Bible and lived supposedly exemplary lives. 1146 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:40,599 Speaker 3: Of some kind and therefore might have an end with 1147 01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:42,639 God that normal people don't have. 1148 01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and they can do like that, they can 1149 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,880 do things, uh you know what. They can heal people, 1150 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,519 that can help people, they protect people, and it's like 1151 01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:55,639 you've got to do I think I think it's like 1152 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,440 three they got to do three miracles after they die 1153 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,760 in order for you to be sainted. And it's got 1154 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:08,559 to be verified by you know, the Pope guy in 1155 01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:10,559 order for in order for you to be actually be 1156 01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:11,440 considered a saint. 1157 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:16,599 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's all. 1158 01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:19,639 Speaker 1: It's all magical musical chairs at this point as far 1159 01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:23,679 as like the Catholic religion goes like it, it literally 1160 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,239 is just I feel like with the Catholic Church, it's 1161 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,000 just a bunch of make it up as you go 1162 01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:31,440 because like they've changed on so many different positions. 1163 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,719 Speaker 2: It's just kind of crazy. 1164 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 11: Yeah, how long did it take them to finally agree 1165 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,119 that the earth revolves around the sun. 1166 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 3: It depends on what, depends on who you ask. Because 1167 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,519 there are people who say that the Church didn't lock 1168 01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:53,440 up Galileo because he said that the sun was the 1169 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,559 center of the solar system, but because he said God. 1170 01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:57,320 Speaker 4: Wasn't part of it. 1171 01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 3: And that kind of rings true because there are some 1172 01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,559 people for Galileo who kind of said the same thing, 1173 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,039 who are also soun centricists. 1174 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,039 Speaker 4: But I think they did the work that Galileo did. 1175 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,159 Speaker 3: But I think it depends on who you ask and 1176 01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:10,880 how much the church is trying to cover up their 1177 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,320 original position. And you also have a room of the 1178 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,800 church is huge, right, so it also probably depends on 1179 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,960 which priest you asked m. 1180 01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 4: And if you're going to ask the pope. 1181 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,199 Speaker 3: There was a period of time when there were seven 1182 01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:35,239 popes in France hello or eight pots, I forget how many. 1183 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,800 There's more than there was more than one, and they 1184 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,440 were fighting over which one is the real one. 1185 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,519 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all want to hear this kind 1186 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,920 of disgusting fact that I know because I went to 1187 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,800 Rome and my wife looked up facts about Rome. But 1188 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,960 there's actually at you know, Trevi Fountain over there in Rome. 1189 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,400 There's actually a building that's like an old bank or 1190 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,199 something like that. But they've got like the Hearts of 1191 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,239 seven Posts stored in there or something. I could I 1192 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,079 could look it up real quick, but yeah, they they 1193 01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:07,480 apparently have preserved the hearts of a bunch of popes 1194 01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:11,000 and and and I guess mason jars or something. I 1195 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,840 don't know what they use over there in Rome, but yeah, 1196 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,159 I could probably find that out real quick. But it's 1197 01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,360 just it's it's it's a little crazy what they what 1198 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,880 they hold sentimental value with. 1199 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,639 Speaker 4: And they're probably not even the real the real hearts either. 1200 01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 5: Uh. 1201 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:33,000 Speaker 3: The church is really notorious for promoting relics that aren't 1202 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,840 really relics for various and assorted reasons, mostly to do 1203 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:37,800 with money. 1204 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 4: And power. 1205 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: Well us, oh go ahead, sorry, I keep interrupting you. 1206 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 11: Well, well about the thinking about the hearts. That made 1207 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,400 me think about the communion. H you know, yeat bread 1208 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,360 and that's supposed to be jesus Is body, and get 1209 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,400 a little wine and that's supposed to be drinking his blood. 1210 01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:12,199 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, literal body of Christ to the 1211 01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:15,400 literal literal blood of Christ. By the way, as in, 1212 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,159 there should be a DNA the bread should go from 1213 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:21,119 bread DNA to human DNA. 1214 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got an update. I got an update 1215 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,480 about that. So it's actually a church. There's a church 1216 01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:34,159 across from Treve Fountain in the church is called Sante 1217 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:41,039 Vincenzo e Anastasio Chavi Treve and the best supported count 1218 01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:44,920 is actually twenty two pope hearts that are preserved there 1219 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,039 from Sixtus the fifth to Leo the thirteenth. Fun fun 1220 01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:58,360 fact for this Sunday Fun Fact Sunday. 1221 01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 4: And how many of them are are the real heart? 1222 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 11: That is a pretty fun fact. 1223 01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:06,559 Speaker 14: Yeah. 1224 01:08:08,719 --> 01:08:12,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know that you called in to talk 1225 01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,559 about the pronouns issue. Did you want to say your 1226 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,600 piece on the pronouns stuff too? 1227 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,199 Speaker 11: Yeah, I just you know, I listened to quite a 1228 01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:27,880 few of these shows, and I'm not young. I'm fifty eight, 1229 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,760 so I know I have more years behind me than 1230 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,319 ahead of me. But I know that, you know, while 1231 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,079 I'm still here, you've got to keep up with the changes. 1232 01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:41,760 And I have no problem with that. And I'm not 1233 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,399 like doing it because I have to. I'm doing because 1234 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,039 I really don't have a problem with that. But I 1235 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:53,479 seem to have a problem when people complain about having 1236 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:59,520 to use pronouns, having to give pronouns like what like, 1237 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,479 what is the big deal? I mean, I have seen 1238 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:09,520 some epic arguments on some of these shows over will 1239 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,920 not get pronouns. 1240 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:15,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's because Jesus taught to be intolerant 1241 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,359 and not to judge, and to judge people whenever possible, 1242 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,720 and to be as judgmental as possible, and that the 1243 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,399 Christians just following. Oh wait, no, it's because they don't 1244 01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:25,640 read the freaking Bible. 1245 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:26,920 Speaker 4: Now. 1246 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:29,520 Speaker 3: People will say Catholics don't read the Bible. But I 1247 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,399 will say, if you go to Mass every day every 1248 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,479 three years, you're read the entire Bible by bit, but 1249 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,199 you will have read the entire Bible. So that's not 1250 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,840 entirely true. They don't read it. It's read to them. 1251 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,720 But because they don't read the Bible themselves, and they 1252 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,960 think it has all the same prejudices they do. And 1253 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:53,159 then they hear some stupid apologetic preacher who says God 1254 01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:56,600 didn't make Adam and Steve, completely ignoring the fact that 1255 01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:00,680 canon able were brothers and the only woman that existed 1256 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,680 was Mom. Right, they forget these things and they won't 1257 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,159 to argue about it. And I'll go, well, no, the 1258 01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,520 Bible says there were cities, okay, but you can't have 1259 01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,279 it both ways, right, and so you can't have the 1260 01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:17,319 first family in cities. Well, the Bible didn't cover all 1261 01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:20,159 the people that Oudam and Eve had to make the cities. 1262 01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:23,199 Speaker 4: It's like, mmm, so he was a clown car. 1263 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,039 Speaker 3: I don't get that either, So, you know, literally, I 1264 01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:30,840 think that's where it is. They don't read their freaking 1265 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,039 Bible and they don't understand it, and so they listen 1266 01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:37,319 to preachers who are supposed to know it. 1267 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,640 Speaker 4: And go from there. 1268 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 3: And you have preachers who are just are bigots and 1269 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,039 use the Bible to excuse their bigotry. 1270 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,039 Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, the Bible seems like it can be used 1271 01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:55,279 for all kinds of things. 1272 01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:01,520 Speaker 3: But like any any any type of prose, and I 1273 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,359 don't consider scientific papers to be pros. It's a whole 1274 01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:09,960 different genre of writing. But pros can always be interpreted 1275 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,279 in multiple ways. That's part of the problem teaching by parables. 1276 01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,000 It works in a limited way, but you always have 1277 01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,960 to make sure you've got a really solid explanation of 1278 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,680 what you mean by the parable and how it is 1279 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,239 applying to whatever it is you're talking about, And we 1280 01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:29,520 don't always get that. So, you know, it just doesn't 1281 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:35,199 make any sense to accept a collection of sixty six 1282 01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:37,520 stories or sixty eight or however many you want to 1283 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:43,520 call it as literal fact when it's open to interpretation. 1284 01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:57,000 Speaker 11: Well, I think sometimes a constitution is that way too, and. 1285 01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,680 Speaker 3: The constitution's much more narrowly written. Yeah, the constitutions written 1286 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,960 by people who understand you know that they didn't. That 1287 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,159 was written by people who at least had an understanding 1288 01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:11,880 that they needed to write precisely. And so you're taking 1289 01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,239 actions and trying to figure out how those actions fit 1290 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,840 under a set of laws. The law does try to 1291 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,880 be precise, and sometimes in that precision it stops being 1292 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,800 about what we want it to be. 1293 01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:36,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I know. I just think some people twist 1294 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:43,119 the constitution or something mm hmm, or try to Yeah. 1295 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are people who will tell you 1296 01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:51,039 that the passages in the Bible about treating the foreigners 1297 01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:58,760 among you with respect and decency were about legal foreigners. 1298 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:05,039 And it's like, so, where was this country's borders and 1299 01:13:05,079 --> 01:13:07,199 how do they protect those borders, and how do they people? 1300 01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:09,039 You know, how did you know you were coming in? 1301 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,920 How do you know they were here illegally? Because at 1302 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,359 that time all paperwork could be faked. Right, you go 1303 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,279 look at some of the ways that traders tried to 1304 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,960 keep track of what they were selling and how much 1305 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,920 they were selling it for across a trade route. There's 1306 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,119 some pretty sophisticated ways to do it, and they only 1307 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:36,640 did that because of forgery and crime. And how how 1308 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,159 do you how do you know that somebody is actually 1309 01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:43,119 a citizen of your country? If you don't, we have 1310 01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:45,520 a hard time with that. Our modern ideas get forged 1311 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,199 all the time. How are you doing that when you 1312 01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:52,279 have Clay taberts and papyrus? 1313 01:13:52,479 --> 01:14:01,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was much easier, much easier today than 1314 01:14:01,119 --> 01:14:02,279 it was back then. 1315 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,800 Speaker 3: So you know, you have people interpreting all kinds of 1316 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,119 things in terms of what they know today, and you 1317 01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:08,760 can't do that. 1318 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,800 Speaker 4: So you got to look at what they knew at 1319 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,119 the time. 1320 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,359 Speaker 7: M okay, all right. 1321 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:24,199 Speaker 1: So and before we let you go, I was going 1322 01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:26,399 to ask you because I asked Jim this a second ago, 1323 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,960 and I like hearing these kinds of things being answered 1324 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,439 by fellow atheists. But how integral was the Easter Week 1325 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,560 or the Easter celebrations and everything like that. 1326 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,399 Speaker 2: How integral was that for you growing up? 1327 01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:40,760 Speaker 4: Oh? 1328 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,800 Speaker 11: Yeah, my mom was all about that. And there was 1329 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,520 the Seven Stations of the Cross, although I can't remember 1330 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,680 how all that went. I was like half paying attention. 1331 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,680 I just wanted to grow up and not have to 1332 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,880 go to church anymore. 1333 01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:00,640 Speaker 8: At that point, No said. 1334 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 2: In here like I don't. I don't remember much of 1335 01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:03,439 it either. 1336 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I know that he gets whipped a lot, and then 1337 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,840 there's this one point where he like he does that 1338 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,680 whole forest gump wipes his face and he comes away 1339 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,640 with the face on the on the rag kind of thing, and. 1340 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,079 Speaker 2: Then he falls like three times. 1341 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, what does his name take up the cross? 1342 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,119 Speaker 4: Because he can't pick it up anymore. 1343 01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. 1344 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:32,560 Speaker 11: I forgot all about that. It's been so long. Wow. 1345 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,119 Speaker 8: I mean you have to do the. 1346 01:15:37,039 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 11: Fish on Friday every you know, every Lent and everything. 1347 01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:43,800 Speaker 2: Oh you know. 1348 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,199 Speaker 1: Another fun fact and I heard this from my wife, 1349 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:51,000 but the reason why McDonald's starts up their whole filet 1350 01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:53,439 of fish thing or somebody is like right around Lent 1351 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:58,640 time so that Catholics can actually get something for McDonald's. 1352 01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:00,279 Speaker 4: Yep. 1353 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think a lot of the fast food places 1354 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,960 do that, because I do seem to see a lot 1355 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,199 of ads for fast food places around this time of 1356 01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:14,880 year doing a fish. But I think my mom had 1357 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,640 have fish every Friday, not just during Lent. 1358 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1359 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:32,319 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, she was old school Catholic, so it was 1360 01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:33,199 all in Latin. 1361 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pre Second Vatican. 1362 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:40,680 Speaker 3: Okay, that is really old school. 1363 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,640 Speaker 11: Yeah so that's yeah, that's kind of how I grew 1364 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,960 up Catholic, really cat. 1365 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 12: I even remember, just real. 1366 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:59,560 Speaker 11: Quick, we we had a Methodist church behind our house, 1367 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,159 behind our backyard, and then there was a wall in 1368 01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:05,319 the parking lot for the church. And one time I 1369 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,680 asked my mom, I said, Mom, why do we drive 1370 01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,680 a mile and a half up the road to go 1371 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,880 to that church when there's just one around the corner. 1372 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,760 I'll have to do is walk around the corner to 1373 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,520 go there. And she goes, well, it's a Methodist church. 1374 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:27,319 And I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, that kind of 1375 01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:32,640 freaked me out. Oh okay. Even but at that point 1376 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,960 I wasn't even aware there was other religions. I mean, 1377 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,000 I was in a very Catholic bubble, yeah growing up, 1378 01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:46,279 and Methodist is just another sect of Christianity, yep. 1379 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1380 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,800 Speaker 4: And they will fight, yeah, they will fight over which 1381 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,720 version of there, which version is correct? 1382 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,000 Speaker 3: And it just makes no sense, you know, come to 1383 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,840 blows over it, and you know, go to war over it. 1384 01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:05,159 Speaker 4: You know how many European wars were caused by that. 1385 01:18:05,279 --> 01:18:11,520 Speaker 3: The Irish problem was primarily you know, which version of 1386 01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:13,479 Christianity was true. 1387 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,119 Speaker 4: We do that all the time. If God cared, he'd stop. 1388 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,840 Speaker 3: It, right, if he existed, he would, if you just 1389 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,199 had any care, he'd stop it. 1390 01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:27,279 Speaker 11: So well, yeah, I think if there was a God, 1391 01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:32,520 then he or she or they or it would would 1392 01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,479 have just said and everyone would just know. 1393 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just like you know that people exist 1394 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,079 by you know, oh, look, they're there. 1395 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,600 Speaker 2: You would think if you were. 1396 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,319 Speaker 1: A smart god, you know, an omniscient one. Dare I say, 1397 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,319 you would think that, you know, just doing that would 1398 01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,680 be better than you know, causing all these wars and 1399 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,760 all this other stuff that you know has been a problem. 1400 01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1401 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:01,840 Speaker 3: Or write the Bible in such a way that it 1402 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,279 is less interpretable. Yeah, you know, one story of just 1403 01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:10,680 one story of the flood, you know, things like that, 1404 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,960 minor little things evidence the Exodus happened. 1405 01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:19,319 Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, I mean because he, if there's a guy, 1406 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,680 he's either just letting all this happen or he's too 1407 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,520 incompetent to stop. 1408 01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:27,399 Speaker 8: It, right Yeah. 1409 01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:35,359 Speaker 11: Yeah, but yeah, until then, I see no reason to 1410 01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:38,960 believe there's one at all, you know, for any reason. 1411 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:42,399 Speaker 4: So yeah, the Bible is ridiculous. 1412 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,199 Speaker 11: Yeah, it is. Yeah, and I'm learning a lot more 1413 01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:49,920 about it watching these shows. 1414 01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:53,560 Speaker 4: Well, go find Godless Engineer's channel. 1415 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,279 Speaker 3: He does a pretty good job, especially on the ye. 1416 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,359 Speaker 11: Chanel. Yeah. 1417 01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,640 Speaker 2: Oh good, awesome. 1418 01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1419 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,079 Speaker 1: I mean I know that I'm primarily just putting up 1420 01:20:07,119 --> 01:20:09,600 like clips of like conversations and everything that I have, 1421 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,760 but you know, I definitely appreciate you doing that. 1422 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:21,039 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, yeah, I do enjoy watching 1423 01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:22,520 your videos. 1424 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,079 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. 1425 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,119 Speaker 1: And you know, I bet that you're already subscribed to 1426 01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:30,239 the atheist community of Austin here, but we've also got 1427 01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,720 Talk Heathen over here as well and Truth Wanted. So 1428 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,680 there's there's a lot of shows out there for you know, 1429 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,720 you to consume, and we Truth Wanted. 1430 01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,079 Speaker 2: Is a fun show. 1431 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,079 Speaker 1: I don't know if you do much on Friday nights, 1432 01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:45,039 but it's a it's a pretty fun show. 1433 01:20:45,319 --> 01:20:46,119 Speaker 2: It's kind of different. 1434 01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:48,640 Speaker 3: It does more than just Christian. Yeah, we do more 1435 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,319 than just does God exist. We also get into all 1436 01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:58,319 the different supernatural claims and aliens and the whole nine yards. 1437 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,960 Speaker 11: Okay, I have to check that one out. I'm very 1438 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,279 familiar with Talk even so, but I'm going to have 1439 01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:09,680 to check truth wanted out. There's there's a lot of 1440 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:16,680 channels popping up, so yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but this 1441 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,159 one was like a year ago and it was all 1442 01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:27,279 old stuff, all right. 1443 01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:28,960 Speaker 2: And well, it was great talking to you. 1444 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,079 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we could, uh, you know, kind of 1445 01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:34,199 connect on on the whole Catholic thing. I know that 1446 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:38,760 there's a lot of recovering Catholics out there, and and 1447 01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:41,000 do you have the same thing that Jim and I 1448 01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:43,439 do when it's like if I were to say to you, 1449 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,680 may the Force be with you, what's your automatic response. 1450 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:51,880 Speaker 11: And also with you? 1451 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,199 Speaker 8: There you go. 1452 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,760 Speaker 1: That's how you know, That's how you know you're working 1453 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,680 with a real recovering. 1454 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,680 Speaker 4: And it is recovering. 1455 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:07,479 Speaker 11: A second though, I think I've buried it or something. 1456 01:22:09,359 --> 01:22:10,560 Speaker 2: And I dug it up. 1457 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about that, all. 1458 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:21,159 Speaker 2: Right, and the Lord, yeah exactly. 1459 01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Uh, And it was great talking to you, and I 1460 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,279 hope you'll call in in the future if you have 1461 01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:28,399 any other questions. 1462 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,199 Speaker 2: And I hope you have a good rest of your 1463 01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:30,640 day and. 1464 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,479 Speaker 1: A great Holy Week where we're going to sacrifice uh 1465 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,079 you know Jesus on Friday. 1466 01:22:37,319 --> 01:22:45,239 Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, Well, Jesus is last weekend. Yeah, yeah, all. 1467 01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:47,680 Speaker 1: Right, and well I'm gonna drop you down right now, 1468 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,520 but I hope you have a great day. 1469 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,119 Speaker 11: Okay, all right, you too, bye, all. 1470 01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:58,960 Speaker 2: Right bye, there we go. All right. 1471 01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:01,279 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's kind of a wrap for our 1472 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,159 show here. And I don't think that we did we 1473 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:05,560 get any super chants today. 1474 01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,039 Speaker 2: I don't see any super chants. 1475 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:08,279 Speaker 4: I don't think. 1476 01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no super chance. 1477 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1478 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,800 Speaker 3: They could have made it say almost anything, as long 1479 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,600 as it's not against our policy, we'd be willing to 1480 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:16,960 say it. 1481 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,239 Speaker 4: So nobody wanted to say something silly. 1482 01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:21,319 Speaker 7: I know. 1483 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,199 Speaker 1: I usually, you know, we get people wanting us to 1484 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,800 say some silly shit, but we didn't get that today. 1485 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,520 But I do want to bring up our backup post Kelly. 1486 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:36,000 Hey there, Kelly, how you doing. Oh Kelly, Kelly is muted. 1487 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,760 Speaker 15: Yep, I was. I haven't done that in a long 1488 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:39,359 time too. 1489 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,119 Speaker 6: But just as you were introducing me to come up, 1490 01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:43,399 we got a super chat. 1491 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,920 Speaker 1: Oh I saw that May the Force be with you, 1492 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,199 ann I think is what it said, right. 1493 01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:51,560 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that was awesome. 1494 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,359 Speaker 6: So yeah, I thought, actually I love Dan's call. I 1495 01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:58,279 thought it was really refreshing and just great I really 1496 01:23:58,359 --> 01:24:02,920 enjoyed it. You were mentioning all the wars in Europe, 1497 01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,119 and I had a list just off the top of 1498 01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:06,840 my head, because you know me, I love history in 1499 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,920 Trivia Thirty Years War, French Wars and religion, the Northern Crusades, 1500 01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:14,039 and everybody seems to forget about those, the Teutonic Knights 1501 01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:18,359 conquering Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia and the ri Conquista. I 1502 01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:21,680 mean there's hundreds of thousands of people, probably millions of 1503 01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,399 people that died in just four. 1504 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:24,039 Speaker 15: Wars right there. 1505 01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:29,560 Speaker 6: So yeah, all caused by Christianity, all caused by Christianity. 1506 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,079 Speaker 15: And I didn't even mention the. 1507 01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:35,000 Speaker 4: Crusades, right or the Concuistadors. 1508 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, there you go. So I mean, well, so 1509 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,800 go ahead, John Well. 1510 01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,399 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Kelly, something that I asked 1511 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:49,199 Jim earlier, was you know about my statement that Christianity 1512 01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:51,279 does more harm than good. And I'm kind of curious 1513 01:24:51,319 --> 01:24:52,600 where you fall on that question. 1514 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,119 Speaker 2: You know, it's really. 1515 01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:57,800 Speaker 6: Hard to tell because I know a bunch of old 1516 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,239 women that have led their lives and good Catholics or 1517 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,920 some of the good Protestants, and they really really believe 1518 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,680 in Jesus and and a lot of them are alone 1519 01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,000 now and their life revolves around that and that's really 1520 01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:13,600 all they have. And I like, you know, there's a 1521 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,560 there was a book by one of my favorite authors. 1522 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,640 I'm not going to mention what it is, but they 1523 01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,439 find the body of Christ in it and they have 1524 01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,079 to decide what to do with it, and they're going 1525 01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:23,399 to show it to the world. Then they start thinking 1526 01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:25,119 about all the old ladies and how they're just going 1527 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:27,479 to crush them, you know, and they decide not to 1528 01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,960 do it. So, I mean, it's kind of hard. It's 1529 01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:33,640 I think it probably throughout history has probably caused way 1530 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,199 more harm, but it does do a little bit of 1531 01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:38,800 good for some people. So I as much as I 1532 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,560 hate to admit that it is true. 1533 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:46,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I totally understand that aspect of it, that 1534 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,560 you know, Christianity is good for some people out there. 1535 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,920 But I guess my my position on it takes in 1536 01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:57,039 the entire history of Christianity, like what what is Christianity 1537 01:25:57,119 --> 01:26:00,159 set up for society? What what has its what has 1538 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,479 been its real effect? And you know that's I guess 1539 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,520 that's kind of where I find myself analyzing that particular question. 1540 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,800 But I definitely value your input on that. 1541 01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:11,199 Speaker 15: You know, one of the things too. 1542 01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:13,039 Speaker 6: I was just thinking about it, and we get a 1543 01:26:13,039 --> 01:26:17,079 lot of calls on our on these shows about people 1544 01:26:17,159 --> 01:26:20,680 wondering about how we can still have morals without God, 1545 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,880 So I think God, maybe Christianity is doing good for 1546 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,960 those people too, because they're not going out and killing 1547 01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:31,000 and robbing and hurting people, so it might. 1548 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,199 Speaker 15: Be doing more good than we actually realize. 1549 01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:36,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, the case a case could be made that, 1550 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,760 you know, if if the only reason you're not doing 1551 01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:44,199 something most people would consider evil or immoral is because 1552 01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:47,479 you fear punishment, you're probably not fundamentally a good person. 1553 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I would. I would say that now, 1554 01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:56,800 but I would. I guess my reaction to that generally 1555 01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:00,640 is just that there are better ways to actually, you know, 1556 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,960 cope with those kinds of situations as opposed to just 1557 01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:07,760 needing religion. I'm not saying that we should totally remove 1558 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:12,239 religion from society or Christianity, you know, from society or anything, 1559 01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:15,159 but I definitely think that there's healthier ways to manage that, 1560 01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:18,720 like with you know, recovering from religion dot org or 1561 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,920 any of those, any of those organizations out there that 1562 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,279 are really geared towards helping people. I think that it 1563 01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:27,279 can really it can really help people out there and 1564 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,720 in a more meaningful way than just throwing some Jesus 1565 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:31,039 on them. 1566 01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:31,319 Speaker 4: Right. 1567 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,039 Speaker 15: Yeah, you know. 1568 01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,479 Speaker 6: But one thing also I need to do for both 1569 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,199 you guys is thank you so much for mentioning truth Wander. 1570 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,560 Speaker 15: As the host and producer of the show. 1571 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,720 Speaker 6: I have to thank you so much for mentioning that, 1572 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,920 and it is you know, of course I have to 1573 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:48,319 say that. 1574 01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:52,840 Speaker 1: I well, I mean, I love Truth Wanted's variety, and 1575 01:27:53,239 --> 01:27:56,079 it's a nice break from just talking about how much 1576 01:27:56,119 --> 01:27:57,640 God sucks all the time. 1577 01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,239 Speaker 2: And those kinds of arguments. 1578 01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:04,520 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's it's definitely a nice nice shift 1579 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,960 in in in topic. 1580 01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:06,680 Speaker 4: Thanks. 1581 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,800 Speaker 15: Thanks, That's about all I have. 1582 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,399 Speaker 6: So thanks for bringing me up and let me, you know, 1583 01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:13,319 contribute a little bit. 1584 01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:14,880 Speaker 15: I appreciate it. You guys are awesome. 1585 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:16,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem. 1586 01:28:17,039 --> 01:28:17,359 Speaker 11: Uh. 1587 01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:20,000 Speaker 1: We do have shows going on here at the Atheist 1588 01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:24,720 uh a c A the uh uh the Atheist Community 1589 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,439 of Austin. Sorry, I totally stumbled on that for a second. 1590 01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,279 We we've got like Truth Wanted, we've also got uh 1591 01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,760 talk keithen uh and we'll be back at it next week, 1592 01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:37,479 well this coming Friday with Truth Wanted, and then next 1593 01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,760 week with uh uh with talk Keithen and the Atheist Experience. 1594 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,680 So we really appreciate y'all tuning in today, spending your 1595 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,359 afternoon with us, and I guess we will see all 1596 01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:50,079 you heathens later. Don't forget to stand up, use your voice, 1597 01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:51,319 and all that kind of good ship, y'all. 1598 01:28:52,560 --> 01:29:00,680 Speaker 6: Right ahead, peas die s. 1599 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:09,920 Speaker 3: Har around you by walco. 1600 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:12,479 Speaker 7: Ellen. 1601 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,840 Speaker 2: Watch Talk ee Than Live Sundays at one pm Central. 1602 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,920 Visit tiny dot c c slash y t t H 1603 01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:43,159 and 1604 01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:45,640 Speaker 6: Call into the show at five one two nine nine 1605 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,199 one nine two four two, or connect to the show 1606 01:29:48,279 --> 01:30:02,720 online at tiny dot c c slash call th H