WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:10.679 S e O and JP Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan. 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.679 In all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:17.960 You never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:21.480 And it's the. 6 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:24.120 Lapse fan man like the one in the ring. Beget 7 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:26.480 about Sado. He the real king of swing when the 8 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.519 bell goes in with the kick, like me throwing in 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:30.000 the corner. 10 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:31.280 But it's rash like stick. 11 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.600 Even Jerry King can say off the crowd nodded in 12 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.000 his head like it te low Brown, did you get 13 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:37.560 low down? 14 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.200 Wore the go even high up? Flip you on your head? 15 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:41.679 But you know cool driver. 16 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.520 Speak mona dragon spits fire, give you more shock than 17 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.159 when Edge treats higher drop a more truth than the 18 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.359 con of sniper unless you would a coconut. 19 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.159 Roddy Piper, Jack and JP ne. 20 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:55.840 A j y d drop the cupcakes and gold the 21 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.520 brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the close cloud. 22 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.039 If you all I've been as a flassic and polls. 23 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.400 It is rumble season once again here in twenty twenty five. 24 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.439 Yes it is. It's a new era. 25 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:07.959 It's a new. 26 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:09.000 Decade for TLF. 27 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:11.280 It's there's a lot of change in the air, But 28 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.280 as it regards the year nineteen ninety six, it stuns 29 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.719 me as we put our heads together to think about 30 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.319 how we can set the stage for how a rumble 31 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.079 ought to be as we and bokwn another one this year. Yes, 32 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.640 that we have not done the nineteen ninety six Royal 33 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:27.280 Rumble before. 34 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.120 Yeah, yeah, it's a you know, it's it's kind of 35 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.719 it's it's like a sleeper, you know, it's it's I 36 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.840 have fond memories of the show. I have fond memories 37 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.959 watching the show, But at the same time, it was 38 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.120 never like a go to one. I always liked it, 39 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.319 but it was never a go to rumble. And I'll 40 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:53.359 tell you for me why unlessen if you want to 41 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:54.079 get into this right. 42 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.120 Now, oh sure, I mean I have my own little 43 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:57.040 story too, so go ahead. 44 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.680 The reason why this wasn't never a go to rumble 45 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:06.159 is because the rumble wasn't the main event and I 46 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.039 couldn't stand that. I hated it. 47 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.240 So you're saying that's what diminished its replay value. Yeah, yeah, Look, 48 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.039 I was alluded to the TV I about this on 49 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.240 pay per view. I mean, I don't run member Brett 50 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.199 Undertaker at all because the exact thing you're saying. I 51 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.280 remember bretat Undertaker. 52 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:26.479 I remember the finale of Bread Undertaker very very well, 53 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.400 but it was just like I remember having such a 54 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.840 I mean, also two things, one of them didn't end 55 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.639 up being as bad. But this was, I believe, the 56 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.560 first year or was it last year? Was it the 57 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:41.479 ninety five one? The first year of the entrance music? 58 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:42.680 I think it was this year. I think it was 59 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.840 ninety six, the first year they started doing entrance music. 60 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.000 When someone's time comes up in the Rumble. 61 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.960 Yeah, yeah, And that bothered me at first, but I've 62 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.879 grown to be okay with that because the music does 63 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:55.840 get a nice pop, but it just kind of takes 64 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.680 away from the the the if you will, the realism 65 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.759 of the Royal Rumble. If you look at those older ones, 66 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.120 the reason why they worked so great is because they 67 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:11.120 didn't have these queued up moments. Yes you know, it 68 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.080 all felt more organic, like there was just a guy 69 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:16.439 waiting to go. There wasn't a essentially a producer and 70 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.479 a music the sound guy waiting to put to set 71 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.360 up the next person's music like it was. It was 72 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:26.120 just more it felt more organic, but the the the 73 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.439 Rumble not being the main event. 74 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.159 Was was. 75 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:37.400 It was detrimental to the success of a royal rumble. Absolutely, 76 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.240 I would expect that it stayed that way for three 77 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:47.159 years following and then has happened twice since then is 78 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:48.080 a nightmare. 79 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:50.199 Including Kurnengle versus Mark Henry. 80 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.120 Including Kurding versus Market. Like, I get why they did it, 81 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.759 but it wasn't worth it. Oh, I mean not only that, 82 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.360 that was even worse actually because they put the rumble 83 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.800 two match is prior, like they have two title matches 84 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.800 after that rumble. Ugh, I was disgusted. I was so 85 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.319 fucking disgusted when they did that. 86 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.319 Honestly, it's hard enough to like get in the right 87 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.400 frame of mind after they do the women's rumbles now 88 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.159 to open the shows, Yes, because they've already spent so 89 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.199 much of that dynamic that it harms the men's rumble 90 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:17.600 every single year yeap. 91 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.279 And or vice versa. You know, there's thing it's exhausting 92 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.639 because I'm like two Like since when do you have 93 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:30.199 Like since when does any wrestling show have two hour 94 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.519 long matches right on the same card. 95 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.120 Right, Like what the fuck? And there's such a novelty 96 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.199 to the way the match is structured. You wait so 97 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.600 long for it, you build up so much nostalgia for 98 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:43.839 the big moments of rumbles past, and by the time 99 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.160 the Men's Rumble gets in the ring, that kind of 100 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.839 magic has been expelled again. It hasn't been so long 101 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.120 anymore because you've used it all in the Women's Rumble, 102 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.279 you know. And to your point about entrince music, I 103 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.720 think one of the sneaky good things about that was 104 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:58.839 it gave you a referendum on how over these guys 105 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:03.240 were without their entrance music drowning out the crowd noise. Yes, yes, 106 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:05.519 Piper comes out at the ninety two Rumble to confront 107 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.839 Rick Flair. You know that that program is money because 108 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.240 of the way you can hear the fans react to Piper, 109 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.120 not Piper's music, right to the fact that Piper was 110 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.600 walking to that ring to do what needed to be done. 111 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.720 Because the thing is, and I feel like maybe the 112 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.480 w and any wrestling organization maybe has become afraid of 113 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.399 this or or or or doesn't want to admit this, 114 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.160 but there are wrestlers whose music is more over than 115 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.399 the guy himself absolutely or woman themselves, you know, like 116 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.639 it's it's like the music is I mean, I think 117 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:38.319 in many ways Seth Rollins is like. 118 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.319 That, absolutely yep. And you know who else was like 119 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.000 that too? In some ways was daniel'brien in that not 120 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.439 until Yes got over was he considered a main eventor 121 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.160 in their eyes now. I don't know if that's necessarily 122 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.160 the case in the fan's eyes, but it makes it 123 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.079 very difficult to parse the two when you never get 124 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.600 a chance to sample them without the music. And this 125 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.319 should be an annual opportunity to hear a guy come 126 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.120 out and hear a raw crowd reaction. I think there 127 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.639 would be a lot of utility in that they can 128 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.360 crowd reaction. For that matter, Well, you know when you've 129 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.720 got a guy running the company now who literally is 130 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.639 posting videos to X of him rehearsing the entrances of. 131 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.800 The wrestlers, get out of here? Are you serious? 132 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.279 They just debuted Pentagon from aw on Raw last week 133 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.600 and they Triple H posted a video of him stage 134 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.439 managing where the little pyro boxes would go, with his 135 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.120 headset on directing people as to when the wall of 136 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.439 fire would explode, where the lighting overhead will come. He 137 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.079 thinks like this is he thinks this is the job 138 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:37.800 he thinks the job is to stage manage the entrances 139 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.600 because he was sixty percent entrance in his career. Everybody 140 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.600 else has to be sixty percent entrance. 141 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.879 Right, Oh, I didn't know that. That's awful. 142 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.240 He's walking around with the top button unbuttoned, you know 143 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.120 what I mean, like pointing, and it's. 144 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.920 Like fucking AirPods in his ear, like you know, conducting. 145 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.759 You know, he's he's on a conference call as well 146 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:02.959 as directing, uh, you know content, right. 147 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:05.600 You know, you like to think they do it because 148 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.079 it helps the talent get over, which it does, but 149 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.680 you'd also like to not think that it's really done 150 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.319 as a masturbatory exercise in Triple H putting his you know, 151 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.399 creativity on display. But he can't help himself. He can't 152 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.079 help but remind you at every turn that what this 153 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.720 is really about is how good Triple H is at 154 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.600 his job and not how good this wrestler is at 155 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.920 being who he is, right right, and thumbs down to that. 156 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.360 I mean, it is kind of interesting, you know that 157 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:36.079 they don't they they they that they I guess really, 158 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.000 I don't know, like you'd think that they would take 159 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:44.279 the opportunity because especially in this era to to take 160 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.040 advantage of those kind of situations where there is no entrance, 161 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.360 like take away the interest music, have them come out 162 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.439 just as is and see how the fans react, and 163 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:59.319 like it's a great time to judge maybe who you try. 164 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:02.600 Next, ye, And I'm sure they never even crosses their mind. 165 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.759 And furthermore, once the guy gets in the ring, unless 166 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:07.360 you're a booked to be one of the last guys, 167 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.319 you have no agency. You go in there and you 168 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.399 boom boom boom, because you fit a certain slot in 169 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.000 their mind as to what needs to happen at this 170 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.399 juncture of the rumble. You have your shine spots and 171 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.600 you're out. And really it's no different than seeing the 172 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.560 guy or the woman at a house show match, you know, 173 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:23.360 just doing their shitting their shit in, you know, maybe 174 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.879 a little twist on it, but like ninety percent of 175 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.399 the Rumble participants are slated and sort of you know, 176 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.759 type cast in a way to fit like a certain 177 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.399 need of the match instead of you know what, kind 178 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.200 of being an open forum to see who really can 179 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.399 capture that opportunity and who might be able to surprise 180 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.320 you with how interested they can get the fans into 181 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.559 their ability to win the Rumble match. But there's a 182 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:47.879 lot of that here in ninety six. And I'm glad 183 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.519 you pointed out the entrance music thing. It is key, 184 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.639 it is critical, and we'll document that. This also is 185 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.799 the first WWF pay per view ever with a. 186 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.240 Free for all special. Yeah, it is the first free 187 00:08:58.360 --> 00:08:58.679 for all. 188 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.879 So now we're starting to see, like his live matches, 189 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.240 trying to appetize us. They're trying a lot of different things, 190 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:05.240 and some of it's working. 191 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:05.960 Some of it isn't. 192 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:09.559 Sean Michaels, of course, repeats in the nineteen ninety six Rumble. 193 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:13.039 Yeah, Also, is it the first one to have the 194 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:17.080 uh like if you will? And I'm willing to to 195 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.600 say it to stand by this. I don't know when 196 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.279 they started doing the sunny disclaimers in the beginning. Oh 197 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:23.919 it was before. 198 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.559 It wasn't in the ninety five Rumble, that's for sure. 199 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:27.879 This is the first Rumble to have it. I don't 200 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:29.320 know if it's the first pay per view to have it, 201 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:29.919 but I think it is. 202 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.000 But I'll tell you that's attitude. That's attitude, all right, 203 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.759 We're talking. January ninety six is the beginning of the 204 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:42.080 Attitude era. They're starting to look, what does Diesel do? Yeah? 205 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.279 Fuck yeah, he's all the tweeener, you know, fucking you know, 206 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.320 he's he's he's the baby face heel. But what does 207 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.159 he do to undertaker? 208 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:52.159 Oh? 209 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:53.000 Yeah, what does he do? 210 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:53.480 I remember? 211 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.639 Flips him off? He flips flips him off. 212 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:56.519 He slips them off. 213 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.639 Unless I'm forgetting something. That's got to be the first 214 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.559 middle finger, yeah, ever on WWF television at a time 215 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:04.279 when they were even hinting that they were trying to, 216 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.759 you know, stretch the limits of at least language. So yes, 217 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.080 and we talk all the time about like Nash, you know, 218 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:12.600 like how he had that little moment where he could 219 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.639 have been in He's crucial. 220 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.480 Yeah, I mean before but even even afterwards, you know, 221 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.960 like when he started what he became, when when he 222 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.759 when he kind of turned on Brett at the uh 223 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:27.399 At Survivis series after after losing you know, like that 224 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:28.960 was kind of it too, like when he kind of 225 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:31.879 he he he kind of gained back some of that 226 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:36.200 that badassness of him, you know, and that and there 227 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:41.600 is attitude right there, attitude ninety five many six. Fuck it. 228 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.399 We talked so much about how, you know, Nash was 229 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.919 so lame as a baby face Hogan champion in ninety five, 230 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.399 and so I don't know what you're talking about. Such 231 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:53.759 an abject failure was fucking brilliant, and it's like they're 232 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.279 trying to force him to be somebody that he just 233 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.159 is not going to be. And by the time they 234 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.519 throw in the towel on that, they actually land on 235 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.480 a Kevin Nash that's money, right, Kevin Nash who carries 236 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.200 himself and speaks in a way that isn't so like 237 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.279 patently false and forced that you actually can get into 238 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.799 this guy. And we see that on full boil. I 239 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.039 would say here at the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble, Yeah, 240 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.879 because he's pissed. I mean, he's he's pissed that he 241 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.000 got eliminated from the rumble. Although he doesn't attack Seawn 242 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.519 Michaels afterwards, which you might have expected, but he's just 243 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.960 not he's not willing to just you know, skull through 244 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:25.320 the curtain. 245 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.360 He it's a slow burn for him. It's it's a 246 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.360 really it's a well done slow burn to turn him 247 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.720 heel and with an eye towards you know, actually doing 248 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.000 something with the guy. I mean it's not entirely clear 249 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.559 which exact day in nineteen ninety six the Kevin Nash 250 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.200 decided he was following Scott Hall to WCW. But right 251 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:44.279 around this time is when those key decisions are being 252 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.000 are being made in his mind and inn WWF's mind. Yeah, 253 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:51.559 because I mean he like he he And honestly, if 254 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.840 you asked me, he didn't even really fully turn heel 255 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:57.000 until after WrestleMania, Like he was playing this this guy 256 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:01.600 on the fence. I mean, he was certainly more heelish, 257 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.279 you know, on the build at to WrestleMania, but he 258 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.600 wasn't really full blown heel until he turned on Sean, right, 259 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.879 That's when he really you know, that's when he became 260 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.279 a real full fledged heel. So he's kind of playing 261 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.919 this weird role this for months of this kind of 262 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.200 like yeah, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, And it 263 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.039 works beautifully, Yeah it did. He's the first guy in 264 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.960 that skin to call out Vince as the owner of 265 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.399 the company on the TV show too. Yes, So he's 266 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.480 he's pushing into areas that would be signature to the 267 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.120 Attitude era in small but subtle ways before anybody else. 268 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.919 And it's amazing to think about what Kevin Nash could 269 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.000 have been in nineteen ninety six had he stuck with WWF. 270 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:44.600 In that vein, Bruce Pritrid had said that the plan 271 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.799 was always to have Nash turner heel and be the 272 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.320 first challenger for Shawn Michaels after WrestleMania. That did play 273 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.480 out as expected. Whether it would have played out with 274 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.840 such a strong heel turn is I guess a question 275 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.759 that's up in the air. But certainly by the time 276 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.000 Good Friends, Better Enemies came along the April nineteen ninety 277 00:12:58.039 --> 00:12:59.879 six pay per view, they knew that Kevin Nash was 278 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.440 on his way out, and so they wrapped it up 279 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:04.879 very definitively with Sean Michaels. I'm not sure they would 280 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:07.399 have done it quite that way had Nash stuck around, 281 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.000 and what it would have looked like from there is 282 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.320 an interesting question. I think it definitely set up a 283 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.000 Kevin Nash that can walk into WCW and not just 284 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.639 be a total one eight from his WWF character, which 285 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:19.639 I think helped him quite a bit because we had 286 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:21.159 start to see him get a little prickly, he start 287 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.840 to see him get a little sarcastic, and basically he 288 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.600 can walk on a ww television and not appear to 289 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.600 be something other than we saw in WWF or Scott 290 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.759 Hall to the point has to go in still pretending 291 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.320 to have the Cuban accent and all that stuff. So 292 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.960 it's it's really, uh man, are things changing? I thought 293 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.519 you were going to say this one before you said 294 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.879 the attitude of ra stuff and the sunny open how 295 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:48.799 about the first rumble with this logo? Oh yes, travesty, travesty, 296 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.679 absolute travesty. I grew to accept it, but a travesty, yeah, 297 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.799 I mean it grew to become that kind of that 298 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:02.360 the new generation slash you know, early Yeah, yeah, yeah, 299 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.679 well most attitude era royal roma. But no, it's awful. 300 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:11.559 It's so I mean, it's fine, but it's not the 301 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.039 fact that okay, here here's the problem I have of it. 302 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.080 The fact that that is the that they have that 303 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:23.840 logo in the video games, in the video games and 304 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.000 not the original one is completely bogus. 305 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.679 Yeah, you need the shiny royal one, like literally, it 306 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.720 has a royal kind of sheen to it. Yeah, and 307 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.320 the rocks are rumbling at the bottom word rumbling. 308 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.440 So brilliant. It's so fucking brilliant. It's it's the best logo. 309 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.159 I don't know, boss, It's almost like whoever was running 310 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.440 logos in the earliest days of the WWF is someone 311 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:47.399 you know that we should talk to. 312 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:48.240 I mean yeah. 313 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.320 But when you think about that, that ninety six Rumble logo, 314 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.080 they repeated it the next year in San Antonio for 315 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.799 Shawn Michaels. To me, it always smacked of like, I 316 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.000 don't know, Saturday morning, like inside the NBA. It just 317 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.679 looks like a kid kids, it's a cartoon logo. It's 318 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.879 like a yeah, exactly, it's that. It's that it's a 319 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.879 Saturday morning cartoon logo. Yeah, what it is, right, you know, 320 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.519 exactly straight out of the fucking nineties with kind of 321 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:16.480 weird little uh uh uh you know, like geometric shapes 322 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:21.159 and uh you know, hard angles and like, you know, 323 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:25.759 it's it's it's just not I mean, it's it's it's 324 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.200 no no different really than the w logo at the 325 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:31.960 time when they change that to be that weird you know, 326 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.679 slanted off, but you still have the yeah, the box 327 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:39.519 in the background, like just come on, yeah, yeah, you're 328 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.559 not attacking the right things here. Yeah, the blue and 329 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.080 yellow logo which displays faithfully in the corner of our 330 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:47.720 screen throughout the course of this broadcast. 331 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.759 And you know, it's really amazing. They didn't change up, 332 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.799 like they changed up that one, and they didn't change 333 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:58.000 up in ninety six. They changed up the Survivor Series 334 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.799 one too, but nothing else. Yeah, like WrestleMania Summers Summers 335 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.919 sam remained. This remained the same until ninety seven, which 336 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.759 is bizarre when you're so bizarre, like why that one? 337 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:12.720 And they kept the old w w F logo and 338 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.399 the referee shirts and stuff. Yep, you can still see 339 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:15.879 the original. 340 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.519 I'm not going to, right we you know, make new 341 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.480 clothing for these hassholes. They want it, they can do themselves. 342 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:23.519 I'm not going to pay for it. 343 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.000 I remember the Jack's WWF referee had the old logo 344 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.320 on it. Yeah, but you said they want to get 345 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:29.480 away with the hard angle, and that's true. 346 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.799 They just even the jack, even the even the jacks, 347 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.080 even the jacks uh uh, like they the figures they 348 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.120 had the plates like the yes, you know, they they 349 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:41.200 were the old logo as well. 350 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.559 Yeah, those little holes on their feet so you could 351 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.000 stand them up on this display plate. 352 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.360 Yeah, and those were the Those are the old logo, 353 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:48.759 but you know, they. 354 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:50.480 Switched out the hard angles of the logo for the 355 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.279 hard angle of gold Dust raising ramone. There you go, 356 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.639 which was quite a bit, quite a bit to see 357 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.000 and take in, and very attitudinal as well. 358 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:01.759 Oh for sure that's true too. Yeah, you forget gold 359 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:07.960 gold Dust for sure a total kind of groundbreaking attitudinal 360 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.079 intensity persona. 361 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.599 And well, he'd been around for like four right, Well 362 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:15.920 it depends I've been around for four months. He hadn't 363 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.680 so much leaned yet into I'm like actively going to 364 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.319 caress Maile wrestlers to get in their head. Yeah, he 365 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.400 was acting, you know, strangely and throwing people off with 366 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.480 psychological games, and they kind of hinted that he might 367 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.680 be you know, androgynous or homo erotic or whatever the 368 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.200 case may be. But it was this Razor Romone program 369 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.200 and the Razor Romone match we see on this show 370 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.839 where Goldust takes the Intercontinental Tile off of them, where 371 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.920 they really went all the way with it and yep, 372 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:41.440 and did the kind of things that would come to 373 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.160 characterize the gold Dust gimmicks at its peak. So yeah, 374 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.119 very very fascinating to think about it in that context 375 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.519 of them trying new things, and it's before they're really 376 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.720 feeling the pressure of WCW. I mean, make no mistake, 377 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.039 Nitro came out of the box in September of nineteen 378 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.400 ninety five, and I think did better than what their 379 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.440 expectations would have been. And it was it was more 380 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.519 competitive from the beginning than it would have expected, with 381 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.920 Nitro being live and with the star power of a 382 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:06.680 Hogan and Savage and all the rest of the crew 383 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.000 on that show and flair, but it was neck and 384 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.319 neck every week. They didn't run away with it until 385 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.680 the nWo right right, So you can you can still 386 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.880 sense that putting sufficient pressure on Vince to start testing 387 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.119 the waters a little bit, maybe leaning into some of 388 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:22.240 the things that this Russo is saying in meetings. You 389 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.759 know Russo sitting in the chair in the billionaire ted skits, 390 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.880 Yes he is, He's right there. Who's the other clown? 391 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:30.960 I don't recognize the other people. I would love somebody 392 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.880 who knew WW of office personnel. I don't know if 393 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.799 Conrad's ever asked Bruce on an episode. I don't recall 394 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:36.920 or haven't heard who those people were. But it's vital 395 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.079 intel and I was, Yeah, I love to know who 396 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.200 played the Huckster and the Nacho Man and steam Gene yep, yep, 397 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:44.519 or even Ted. I don't even know who plays Ted. 398 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.720 I don't know if plays Ted yep, but those are 399 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.319 in full swing. I think this is the only WWA 400 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:51.119 pay per view with the billionaire Ted skit on it, 401 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:51.960 this royal rumble. 402 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:53.519 Yeah, I think you're right. 403 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:55.680 They did it for like four or five weeks, and 404 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.279 then they kind of were talked out of continuing to 405 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:00.160 lean in that direction. They ran that print at we've 406 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.599 read before in the Wall Street Journal, you know, asking 407 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.119 Turner shareholders to question like if Ted is spending his 408 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.000 money in a wise way and having blood, sending letters 409 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.200 expressing concern to shareholders about the blood on WCW television. 410 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.119 Vince just tremendous stuff, tremendous gamesmanship at the time, so 411 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:23.200 gotten too by the mere possibility that that WCW would 412 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.279 take guys that he determined in his mind were old 413 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.440 news and came back to challenge him with those guys. 414 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.000 I was really surprised that they even had. 415 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:32.519 That. 416 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:37.720 They were that the billionaires. Ted's sketches started that early. Yeah, 417 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.039 me too, I was. I was stunned at that. 418 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.160 I kind of thought they launched him in response to 419 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.160 the power of the nWo. 420 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.400 Yeah, right, exactly. Well, no, I knew they happened before WrestleMania, Yeah, 421 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.440 because I knew that the culmination happened at WrestleMania. Yeah, 422 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:54.880 but I really I was just surprised that it you know, 423 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.240 that it's just started. I feelt it started a little 424 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.960 bit like it was like four weeks before wrestling. I 425 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.000 every week lead have to WrestleMania happened. I didn't realize 426 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:04.559 it was at the rumble. That's just that was just 427 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:05.119 wild to me. 428 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.519 It just says so much that he went and did 429 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.160 this before w CW even started to beat him in 430 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:14.319 the ratings. This is just a psychological unraveling for Vince 431 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.400 in so many ways. And he's on the call too, 432 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.119 so we get the pleasure of, you know, try trying 433 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.079 to interpret and read the intonations of his voice on 434 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.839 commentary with a mister perfect too. I think, while overall 435 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.000 very lame in the color seat in this era, does 436 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:28.640 a pretty good job at this rumble. I kind of 437 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:31.839 feel like he feels a little loose, like it's fun. 438 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.400 It seems fun. It's fun, right, for him, and it 439 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.599 wasn't always. But my story in the nine tinety six 440 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.839 oil Rumble is that, and I just lab serendipity. Remember 441 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.519 we were talking so much in recent weeks about VCRs 442 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.079 and when we got our first VCRs, Yes, when we 443 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:46.759 were able to dub tapes from the video store or 444 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.240 record things off television. I remember I was saying, we 445 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:51.880 always had a challenge. I never could figure out how 446 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:53.839 to hook it up appropriately to tape cable. I just 447 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.240 couldn't figure it out. I couldn't configure the VCR. And 448 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.480 then we had that period of time where the VCR 449 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:00.240 was on the fritz and we were in between until 450 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.839 we get a new one and fix it. And every 451 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.160 time we made efforts to fix it, they fell flat. 452 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.359 And you know, no one wants their tape to get 453 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.440 eaten up. So for years we had a VCR sitting 454 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.279 there that we just were afraid to use. And certainly 455 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.359 that's tragic it was, And it certainly wasn't, like I said, 456 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.440 set up to record anything. 457 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:15.799 Anyway. 458 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.400 This was the first WWF pay per view. After the 459 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:19.839 Christmas we got a new VCR. 460 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:21.079 Wow. 461 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.599 And when I tell you that that VCR changed everything, 462 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.039 I am not exaggerating in the least because immediately because 463 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:29.640 I was much older now, I mean we're talking, I'm 464 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.119 like a teenager, and I can figure this out now. 465 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:34.319 I hooked it up to record cable, and when I 466 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:35.880 realized that, I figured out how to do it and 467 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.279 had the confidence this was a new machine with modern 468 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:43.119 capabilities and was not, you know, one malfunction away from 469 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:47.279 being garbage. I went so hard and not only did 470 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.359 I order the nineteen ninety six pay per view, then 471 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:50.599 Tenny six rore a Rumble. 472 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:50.799 Pay per view. 473 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.680 I ordered every WWF pay per view from then until Wow, 474 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.920 the end of the company Wow on pay per view, 475 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.720 as it were. I would say now, to say I 476 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.000 ordered everyone is probably wrong because at some point I 477 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.720 did get a black box, right, but I never missed 478 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.759 another one, and I recorded all of them, and I 479 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:12.720 was obsessed, and it was this was what started it. 480 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.200 I don't know how it came on my radar, because, 481 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.799 like I've said before, ninety five was a, like most, 482 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.039 a very down year for me in terms of wrestling. 483 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.599 I got into all kinds of other stuff, other cartoons 484 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:24.599 and other stuff as Big an X Men and shit 485 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:26.559 like that. And while I kind of kept wrestling on 486 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:28.559 in the corner of my eye. I was not watching 487 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.000 Raw every week. I was not, And there was just 488 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.079 something about the hype for the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble. 489 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.079 I'm sure there was just some ad on cable. Maybe 490 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.400 I watched the TV Guide channel and there it was 491 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.279 like it used to be when you had to go 492 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:43.920 to a particular channel to see the guide. And of 493 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.680 course the cable car right, they share in the profits 494 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:49.440 of the pay per views, so they're going to bombard 495 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.119 you with ads for pay per view stuff when you're 496 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.240 looking at the TV Guide channel. And I was like, 497 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.559 because we've talked about this before, and I think it's 498 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.559 always worth saying anytime we do a rumble, and there's 499 00:22:57.559 --> 00:22:58.720 not many more we're gonna end up doing on this 500 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:00.759 show because we put our heads together. What rumble haven't 501 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:01.119 we done? 502 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.720 I know there aren't. There aren't too many left that matter. 503 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.039 Most of them have been done right right that. 504 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.200 Are from the golden era, the era where it was better. 505 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.799 And so I'm looking at it and I'm like, you know, 506 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.759 this is a show. The Rumble is always a show 507 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.680 where you can count on the people in your life. 508 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:22.119 When you're a kid, who kind of think it's kind 509 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.759 of fucking dumb that you watch wrestling, you can get 510 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:25.880 them to come over for the rumble. 511 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.359 Yes, well, I use that's I used to do. 512 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.720 Of course, I had. I had friends. 513 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.440 We had, we had, I had a group of friends 514 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.799 who I mean, I've said this a million times, you know, 515 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.119 not only did I have the friends who would who 516 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.480 would come over for the Rumble, I'd have I'd have 517 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.440 more people for the Rumble than even WrestleMania, oh by mine. 518 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:46.119 Yeah. 519 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:49.279 And this is when I would put up the uh, 520 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:51.319 I would make the drawings. 521 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.559 I'd put my little fucking mini posters, and I've you know, 522 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.039 made T shirts out of those posts. 523 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.079 On the Progressing store. That's right for those who don't know, 524 00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:59.720 Boss Mama drop posters for the different entrants in the Rumble, 525 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.359 kind of like the Saturday Night's main event graphics. 526 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.160 Almost yeah, yeah, actually yeah, they were kind of like that. 527 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.079 And he found them and we put them on T shirts. 528 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.279 And there were people walking around wearing yeaph designs of 529 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.720 the thing's Boston. Really was it ninety four? Doninkle clown around. 530 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:18.799 I'd say, yeah, ninety four and uh and certainly, I mean, 531 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.160 certainly there's one from the couple from this year, like 532 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.160 I had a great stone cold one. I don't know 533 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.839 if the stone cold one made it up, but I 534 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:26.799 had a stone cold one. 535 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.720 I must have been ninety seven then, because he wasn't 536 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:29.440 stone cold yet. 537 00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:32.759 Oh yeah, I must have been ninety seven year run 538 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.359 he wasn't so cold yet. It definitely didn't have a 539 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:38.440 ring Master one, no, but uh yeah I had. You know, 540 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.799 don't clown around the brumble. IRS will tax his way 541 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.759 to the top. Well that's not that's not false. And 542 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.759 uh yeah, a bunch of them. 543 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.920 It's so ironic that it was actually, of all the 544 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.480 wrestlers at the time, IRS was the most taxing to watch. 545 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:59.599 It was indeed, oh fucking rotundo. 546 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.200 So there I was dialed in, ordered it and I 547 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.240 can't remember if anyone came over for this or not, 548 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.519 but it was like, this is the rumble, And even 549 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:09.720 though I don't follow ww for religiously anymore, the rumble, 550 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:12.680 I can air drop into Sunday Nights Open. I can 551 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:13.720 actually tape this thing. 552 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:14.000 I was. 553 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:15.920 I swear to god, I probably ordered it more to 554 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.480 test whether I could record a pay per view than 555 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.240 oh sure, of course, interest in this particular lineup and 556 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.200 there it is. Oh, Shawn Michael says back, Wow, look 557 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:24.680 at this, he's going for the gold. Oh, they're really 558 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.519 getting behind Shawn. Sean's the new guy I need to 559 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.359 care about. It was a great time to check in 560 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.519 because you had a new guy. It hadn't gone for 561 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.680 the world title, you know, with that baby face push yet, right, 562 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.720 and so it was like, Wow, things were changing. Goldust 563 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.599 was like a fascinating new character. Jake came back. That 564 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:40.400 was huge. 565 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.640 When Jake came through that curtain, Oh my, I mean, 566 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.279 you know, I've talked about it, and this is this 567 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.359 is the show where I've said it was very you know, 568 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.279 leading up to him actually coming out, I thought he 569 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:55.559 was going to be a heel, right because the last 570 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.599 time I saw him he was a heel. So why 571 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.119 would I think otherwise? Like, how could he come back 572 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:02.920 and be a babyface? 573 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.960 How could the fans not remember exactly what you remembered 574 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.640 him traumatizing Elizabeth. 575 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.880 And exactly and and and and you know, and and 576 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.519 and having this snake fucking bite savage and you know, 577 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.319 beating the Undertaker with a chair before WrestleMania ate, Like, 578 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.119 how could you not remember this? Then they cheered him, 579 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.480 and it was very confusing to me. 580 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.119 Did you know what was coming? Yeah, so you did, 581 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.559 right because you expected that? Yeah, yeah, because they announced him. 582 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.400 But he See what was weird? 583 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.440 I don't remember him doing any promos on the TV, 584 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.400 like I think the first promo that I saw him 585 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.359 and actually, honestly, god, until I watched it, I didn't. 586 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.839 I completely forgot that he did a fucking promo. Uh 587 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.359 you know, they did one of those pre those pre 588 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:42.279 match promos that they really hadn't done in a while, 589 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.680 but they they they did for for this show, and 590 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:49.599 I was like, you know, I was wading like, holy shit, 591 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:54.240 I can't believe he's actually uh he's he's doing a promo. Yes, right, 592 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.599 but man, I was. I was taken aback by that. 593 00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.799 But I hadn't caught any of the wind of men 594 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.680 on television that Jake Roberts was coming back. So I 595 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.319 was taken totally by surprise when he walked back when 596 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.599 his music hit, and even better because I heard his 597 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.160 music for the first time and when he came to that, 598 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:12.880 I don't know, I have to say, watching it back 599 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.880 to prepare for this episode on Peacock, I did not 600 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.839 sense the crowd reaction that I recall not only on 601 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.640 the night, but as I'll explain, I've watched this tape 602 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.000 a million times because, like I said, it was the 603 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.000 first w W pay per view I was able to 604 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.160 figure out how to record, and I feel like that 605 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.319 pop was like one of the biggest things on the 606 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.839 show when he came out. The people wanted Jake to 607 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.319 mark March to that ring with that snake in that sack, 608 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:40.279 and they wanted they wanted to see him execute badly. Yes, yes, 609 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:45.160 they want exactly DDT like crazy when he came and 610 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.440 you know the walk, you know the walk. I mean 611 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.559 he can do it as a heel, but when he 612 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.559 does it as a face, it's almost like he's walking 613 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:51.319 with this you know. 614 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.039 What he's he's moving, Yes, he moved at a slightly 615 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:59.480 brisker pace. Yes, yes, yeah, it's just yes, just ever 616 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.720 so brisker. It's the same intensity, but he's just going 617 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.680 a little faster. And instead of that much difference. 618 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.960 Exactly, instead of coming off as cold and calculating, he's 619 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.000 coming off as the adrenaline is flowing. 620 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.480 Through his veins. 621 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.200 Yep, and he's ready, you know, like we've always talked 622 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.920 about it, like we always talk about, he's ready to 623 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.880 use his powers for a good again. You can tell 624 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.240 by the way he's carrying himself. And when he gets 625 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.359 in that ring and loads the snake and everyone SCRAMs, 626 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.960 it's just a beautiful thing to see. Yeah, And they 627 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.480 brought him back with the idea not only to use 628 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.039 him as a wrestler, but maybe put him on the 629 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.920 writing team, have him do some booking, and he did 630 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:30.319 get it. 631 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.400 Seems to be the only fucking what they always do 632 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.759 with They always like that. Well, didn't bring it back 633 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.400 and you can be a booker, right, Well. 634 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.319 There wasn't talking about ninety two as well. You're right, 635 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.799 it's a great mind for the business. But uh, of course, 636 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.920 and played no small part I think in engineering what would. 637 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.079 Just as sadly a poor uh a poor mind for 638 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.839 mind altering substances. 639 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.400 Right, exactly, has poor minds for other reasons, yes, indeed, 640 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.039 but no small part in kind of engineering. The Austin 641 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.559 three to sixteen thing that printed them hundreds of millions 642 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.359 of dollars, yeah, right, and then disappeared because he you know, 643 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.279 continued to struggle a bit with alcohol and other drug 644 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.079 issues and things. 645 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:05.720 But yeah, a. 646 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.880 Remarkable part of the show here in Fresno when he 647 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.839 comes out. But I mean, you have shows like this, 648 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.720 and this is my show because this is the first 649 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.240 one I could tape besides that Saturday Night's main event 650 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.279 that a family friend taped for me with a perfect win, 651 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.559 that Battle Royal that I've talked about many times. Yeah, 652 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.799 I watched this tape over and over, and I did 653 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.880 it because it was the time marker I would use 654 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:32.720 to have Hasbro rumbles. I brought all the Hasbro's back out. 655 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.079 I tried. 656 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.519 I merged him together with some of the Bendi's as 657 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.519 best I could. Before the with the bone crunching action 658 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.200 ones crossed my consciousness in the winter of ninety six. 659 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.440 Sure, and I just would you know. 660 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.480 I would wait for the broadcast behind me to reach 661 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.880 the countdown, and then I knew the next guy was 662 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.160 due out, and I had my thirty guys arranged and 663 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.720 it was time to go, and it was So It's 664 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.359 one of those shows where, like it's I'm watching it, 665 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.720 I can I can recite it like you can recite 666 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.720 a movie you've seen one hundred times. Yep, yep, I 667 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.160 know what Vince is gonna say. I know what everybody's gonna. 668 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.200 Say this is this is your Summer Slam ninety three. 669 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.039 I think so, eh, Summer Slam ninety three, that's the 670 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.720 show you had on and the dorm all the time, 671 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.039 isn't it? 672 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.319 Yeah, that's the one I could fucking you know so many, 673 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.759 so many things that I would say came from that show, 674 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:24.559 so many things. 675 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.839 My favorite one I know, which was going. 676 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.160 Could we said that? Uh that mister Shawn Michael's everything 677 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.680 he knows. He didn't teach him everything he knows. 678 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.519 You know, we talk about lapsed Vince. That's a huge 679 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.440 part of it. The shows we watched a hundred times. 680 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.240 Even though he wasn't the best announcer, it was him. Yeah, 681 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.160 And just to hear his mind work and the word 682 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.240 choice as a as a TV announcer just makes Vince 683 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.599 so much easier to channel and imitate and think about. 684 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.400 But yeah, this was definitely the one. And those promos 685 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.960 you mentioned that cut they do kind of like the 686 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.160 rapid Fire with like six or seven rumble entrants in 687 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.920 the locker room. I was like mouthing exactly what they 688 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.599 were going to say next is I watchow it's buried 689 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.000 deep in there somewhere because of the love that, and 690 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.319 I love that. I remember labeling the spine of the VHS. 691 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.480 I remember putting WWF kind of like at an angle 692 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.880 in the top left corner, and then I wrote royal 693 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.519 rumble and big capitol letters across the middle. I even 694 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:24.599 wrote live with an. 695 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:26.440 Exclamation point on it. I don't know why. 696 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.240 I wrote nineteen ninety six on it. And then for 697 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.960 the rest of my time recording things on a VHS, 698 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.759 I did the exact same format forever shit, YEP, promotion, 699 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.200 name and year at an angle in the corner, show 700 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.839 name in the middle, live I wrote with an exclamation. 701 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.559 And actually I think it's in the hair tape. It 702 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.559 wasn't recording off of a previously done videotape. All right, 703 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:51.000 it makes sense. 704 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.519 And I actually think in the rare occasion where I 705 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.759 bought a replay instead a live version, I did not 706 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.359 put live on it. Wow, I couldn't bring myself there, 707 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.000 of course you can. 708 00:31:58.200 --> 00:31:58.960 How can you just do that? 709 00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.720 It wasn't live? 710 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:02.480 Oh man? What a time? 711 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.839 Yeah, like through ninety six, remember we just did be 712 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.240 aware of Dog coming up? Yeah, May of ninety six. 713 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:07.880 That was that run. 714 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.519 I can picture the VCR. I can even picture the 715 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.160 red circle that were indicated recording. I can hear the 716 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.680 sound of it recording, checking it one hundred times, Like 717 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:19.599 there's like, you know, if I'm going to look up 718 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.440 because the VCR is kind of a little high on 719 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:22.920 the TV, if I was laying on the ground or 720 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.640 sitting on the floor, I had to look up and 721 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.119 it's like, oh, it's still going, thank god. 722 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.079 I would take little you know, sometimes in a moment 723 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.039 where I was like, okay, it wasn't it wasn't a match. 724 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.640 It was kind of like a behind the scenes thing, 725 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.759 a back backstage thing. I would stop the tape rewinded 726 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.680 for a moment and then make sure it was recording. 727 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.680 Oh you did that? Make sure? Yep? I would. I 728 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.279 would stop just to make sure that it was okay, 729 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:48.599 like we're getting the right feet. That's huge. 730 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.799 What a disaster if you think you recorded for three 731 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.880 hours and the tape as something else on it or 732 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.039 something blank and. 733 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.000 Yep, well right exactly. It's like, you know, it's like 734 00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:58.880 what happened to the VCR? 735 00:32:58.920 --> 00:32:59.640 What happened? What did I do? 736 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.200 And and you know what was what was also what 737 00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:09.720 was equally like you gave me so much panic when 738 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:16.039 I was using the the the the the last three 739 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.480 hours of a six hour SLP tape. 740 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.759 Oh baby, that's high stakes. You don't want to mess around. 741 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:23.160 I would. 742 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:25.319 That's another thing. You just brought back a memory. It 743 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.240 would become a ritual. On the Sunday of a pay 744 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.400 per view, I would go, I would accompany one of 745 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.400 my parents to the grocery store or to the to 746 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.079 the pharmacy, and I would get a new VHS fresh 747 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.720 for that night. And I remember, I would remember a 748 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.200 little tab that you have to break off so a 749 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.079 record over it. I remember I would bite it off 750 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:42.880 for some reason. 751 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.119 I could. 752 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.839 I could taste the plastic. I can taste the plastic 753 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:48.319 right now. 754 00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:49.119 See. 755 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.240 I wanted I wanted a catalog of two shows per tape, 756 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:55.559 got it all the time. 757 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.400 No, I only had one, and I still did SLP 758 00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:58.519 speed to be safe. 759 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.200 That's hilarious. I always wanted to have, like, I wanted 760 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.160 to have six hours of wrestling on a tape, and 761 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.480 so I would take the chance and I would just 762 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.360 be like, you know, when the show is coming to 763 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.079 an end, and I'm like, I'm you know, it's the 764 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.519 only time, only the time when I'm using the second 765 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.599 half of a tape that I ever want to show 766 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.719 to end as fast as possible, right because I want 767 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.599 to make sure I had the whole thing on my tipe. 768 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.599 Because it happened one time where the tape wasn't lined 769 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:32.760 up properly and it kept stopping. It stopped and started rewinding. 770 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:33.639 What a nightmare. 771 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.880 Oh to hear hear that rewinding sound when you're live, 772 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.960 when you're live in the main event. It must have 773 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.599 happened to me before, because when you said that, I 774 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.440 immediately could identify with what you're saying. 775 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:44.880 Oh, it was so traumatic. 776 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.239 It starts, it starts low, so you're not sure then you. 777 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.079 No, no, no, no, no no, Well you here first, 778 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.639 you hear the you hear the Oh God, the tape 779 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.760 stopped recording and the VCR stopped moving, and. 780 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.480 I'm having an anxiety attack right now. Yeah. Remember of 781 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.719 life when all you had to worry about was clearing 782 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.119 a three hour pay per view on a VHS tape. Yeah, 783 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.039 that was the biggest thing you worried about. Now I 784 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:18.000 worry about them going too long. Yeah, in a different way. 785 00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:19.679 Now I worry about them if I can going too long, 786 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.000 because I want to go to bed. Yeah, now I 787 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.440 worry about having to watch them exactly. Yeah, yeah, so true. 788 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.000 But those are just incredible memories and incredible time. You know, 789 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.400 I was thinking about the difficulty that I had figuring 790 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.159 out how to hook the VCR up such that it 791 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.639 would record cable, and I'm thinking back on it now, 792 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.239 I remember actually trying so hard to figure it out 793 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.559 and failing and actively arguing with people I would talk 794 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.360 to about it who said, who claimed that they could 795 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.960 do it. I would argue with them, I, so you 796 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.239 can't do it. It doesn't allow you to tape television 797 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:55.679 And be like, what are you talking about? I doing 798 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.320 all the time, Like, no, you must have like a 799 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.519 different setup, you must have two VCRs. I just would 800 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.000 not accept this. I said, yeah you can, you can 801 00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.599 dub another tape, but you cannot record the TV. They 802 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.920 won't let you. I convince myself that it was a block, 803 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.159 you know that it was. It wasn't that I wasn't 804 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:15.360 configuring it correctly, because I tried every possible configuration I 805 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.840 could think of. All you do is put the coaxel 806 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.239 cable in. Maybe it was a different VCR. It just 807 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.199 didn't work, and so I was. I'm wondering what happened 808 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.920 that that was an issue because idea I never had that. 809 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:28.480 I never had that issue, no idea still this day, 810 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:29.880 have no idea. Like I said, I didn't figure it 811 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.639 out with that VCR. 812 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.239 So I don't know. 813 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.000 Maybe it was just old I don't know, but God 814 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:35.400 damn it. 815 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:35.960 I would. 816 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.199 I would argue with people. I can picture one person particular. 817 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.119 I'm like, no, you cannot do that, and they were like, 818 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.880 okay man, like it's it's not you're wrong. Whatever you say, like, 819 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:44.760 I'm gonna go do it, and. 820 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.559 You shut up. Yeah, it's Jesus Christ man, it's a problem. 821 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.000 Remember the rumbles I would play to this rumble with 822 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.199 the Hasbros, like the Hogan with the shirt off, that 823 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.800 that with the bandana against Diesel, the Bendam okay ye, 824 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.840 both justices were in the rumble. Ron Simmons from the 825 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.079 Glube was in the rumble YEP, with like half of 826 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:13.880 his pants chipped off and his wet sneakers. I mean, 827 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.440 just amazing memories, just so locked into this time period 828 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:22.000 and Sean ascending to the top baby face role and 829 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.519 only being vaguely aware even that Hogan wasn't there anymore. 830 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:25.880 I didn't expect him to come out. I knew he 831 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.760 was in WCW, but I didn't care. I really didn't. 832 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.440 It was such a streaming time for someone who went 833 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.159 on to be obsessed with wrestling forever. 834 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.079 I cared, but I I you know, at the same time, 835 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.039 I was very much an acceptance about the fact that 836 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.719 he just was not there anymore, right, you know, like 837 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.360 it just was over. What I wanted was not going 838 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.639 to happen, and it didn't stop. This is the show. 839 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.920 It did not stop until this very day. I watched 840 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.800 religiously from this show on. So when I realized that 841 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.639 this was going to be the show we pulled, I thought, well, 842 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.320 this is actually goddamn you know. We started this whole 843 00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.440 podcast ten years ago trying to talk about shows that 844 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.039 meant something to us and the one that maybe it's 845 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:03.559 more to me than anything else. We didn't get to 846 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.559 until year eleven. 847 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.039 Right exactly over ten years later. 848 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:09.840 So that'll give you an idea of how much more 849 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.039 we still have to chew on here at TLFHQ. But 850 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.760 it's quite a show. Fresno, California, Michaels gets the win. 851 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.599 Watching it back, did you feel the way you expected 852 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.000 to feel or differently. 853 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.800 Yeah, I mean honestly, you know, it was a breeze. Yeah. 854 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.360 You know, some shows are I won't line, it can 855 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.519 be kind of rough, and this was just like easy, 856 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.400 you know. I was like, this is just like, this 857 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.480 is just fun because in a weird way, although you 858 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.000 know you have that you know, you have that magical 859 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.599 time of when you first started, that's always a very 860 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:52.239 unique time and there's a certain favoritism. But for me, 861 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.840 this is just when I was in I was just 862 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.360 on cruise control. Yeah, as a fan. So like all 863 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:03.119 these shows, this entire time period is really that that like, 864 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.000 it's kind of funny, like the worst period is some 865 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.400 of my favorite stuff or what I remember most fondly 866 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.159 because this is when I was more dialed in than ever. 867 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.719 I was just like Monday nights were raw done. I 868 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:23.360 was you know, Royal Rumbles doesn't matter who's in, it 869 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.880 doesn't matter what's going to happen. Yeah, I hope it's 870 00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:29.719 the best rumble ever, but it doesn't matter because I'm 871 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.920 still gonna watch it. It's still there. It's still the 872 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:36.320 number one thing that I'm going to do in January. Yep, 873 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.480 And there was, Yeah, so like all this stuff, even 874 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.760 ninety five, like all this, I was so dialed in 875 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.840 to the weekly television that none of it, none of 876 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.800 it stands out as like it's all Like I said, 877 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.079 it's just it's it's me as a fan on Cruise Control. 878 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.639 Just fucking boom. That's excellent. 879 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.079 That's excellent time to be so observant too, because a 880 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.000 lot of this stuff was at the absolute, you know, 881 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.880 trough of their interest level. So a lot of people 882 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.519 don't know this time period ninety five to ninety six, 883 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.320 you know, they don't know it in in strict details. 884 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.199 So we're the beneficiaries of you being that locked in. 885 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.639 I mean it was like, yeah, this was it's weird. 886 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.599 You know, it's weird because it's in a weird way. 887 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.119 This is what made for me, this is what really 888 00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.400 made the Attitude era be such a great payoff. Yeah, 889 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.559 because I suffered through this, yes, not realizing that I 890 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:38.679 was suffering, but like I watched this like dreaming that 891 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.880 they would come up with something more exciting and more 892 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.800 edgy and more what I was doing with my action figures, Yeah, 893 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.760 you know where they're throwing guys into fucking television sets 894 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.119 and you know, you know, they're getting electrocuted like fucking 895 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.119 Daniel Stern in any fucking home Alone movie. 896 00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:58.119 Yes, and. 897 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.320 But I just in my mind, I just knew they 898 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.000 weren't going to do that. And so by the end 899 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.480 of ninety six when they did start kind of I 900 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.119 mean even here, like they started testing those waters, I'm like, 901 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.079 wait a minute, Hot Sunny is in the fucking bathtub 902 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:16.440 and she's naked, and. 903 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:17.920 I can see up her skirt, wouldn't it. 904 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:24.599 Oh yeah, fucking Perfect brings that out. It's hilarious. He's, yeah, 905 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.639 fucking perfect on the fucking mic. 906 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.159 Walking right up to the line of being able to 907 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:29.880 address it. But yeah, she said' to a breeze. 908 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:30.239 It's true. 909 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.199 It's like the matches are bang bang bang. They're allowing 910 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.800 these guys to do or I don't know allowing is 911 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.920 the right word, but the matches to seem much more 912 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.840 designed to create as many high spots as possible, you know, yeah, yeah, 913 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.400 until Brett goes out there and does his thirty minute clinic. 914 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.840 But watching back, I was surprised on the undercard, how 915 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:48.840 boom boom boom the matches were. You know, there was 916 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.920 no attempt to grab a hold and you know, kill 917 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.119 ten minutes or anything like that. 918 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.800 No, it just it moved at a at a at 919 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:57.880 a great pace with. 920 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.920 Clean, decisive finishes for the most part, so very I 921 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.639 shouldn't say for the most part, but you know, the 922 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.559 gold dust finished was like wow, like that was that 923 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.000 was over. 924 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.440 It's decisive, and I was, I was, I you know, 925 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.440 it's funny. It's funny that it only happened one time, 926 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:23.679 but for some reason in my mind, for some reason, 927 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.960 in my mind, the Royal Rumble would be where Razor 928 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.840 Roan would always lose the intercontinental title. Yeah, sure, like 929 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.480 I had, even though it only happened once. But I 930 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:35.480 guess in a weird way, it almost happened twice because 931 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.280 Iris did pin Razor at the ninety four rumble before 932 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.039 the referee ch changed his mind. 933 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:43.920 Well, he came up short against Brett too, so it's 934 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.039 almost like the rumble isn't his night, right, that's a 935 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:47.440 good point. 936 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.480 And actually I didn't even think of that, like it 937 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.280 really isn't It isn't his night. And he's kind of 938 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.039 interesting case too, because he never actually participated in Royal Rumble. 939 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.480 That's amazing. I don't think he ever. Yeah, because even 940 00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:59.880 when he came back, he was pretty much he was 941 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.599 the wouldn't even in the company. 942 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.360 Long enough to So it got so sad when you said, 943 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.199 you know, January is just when it comes around. I 944 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.119 still find myself looking forward to it. You still feel 945 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:09.639 it in your skin and bones, and I feel it 946 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.159 that that way to to this day. But I don't 947 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.559 get it this year, do I? No, I don't get 948 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.199 to have it on the calendar month of January. 949 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.800 No, No, of course not. It's going to happen in 950 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.199 February because that's where we can get a stadium. 951 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.159 Because we have strategic needs. 952 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.639 Yeah, exactly, we have. We have strategies, We have strategy strategization. 953 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.599 We have deals with tourism councils, economic development agencies to 954 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.400 bring economic stimulus to the downtown. 955 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.639 The ship stop stimulizing me, right, Look. 956 00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.960 Look how many pizzas we sold in downtown Indianapolis. Give 957 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.559 us great, give us six million dollars? 958 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.119 What give me a piece of the pie? 959 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.320 Now that I think that's more a quirk of the 960 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.599 fact that, for some reason, which is also gross, the 961 00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.519 Super Bowls like halfway through February this year. 962 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.440 Well, because they keep in the fucking seasons. 963 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.159 So they're always going to go. WWB is always going 964 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.400 to go the weekend between you know, uh, the end 965 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:09.920 of the NFL playoffs and the Super Bowl. 966 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.880 So Y's smart in a way, you know that way 967 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:17.079 you're not you know, you're not like in the midst 968 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.840 of shit. 969 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.880 Yeah, good luck ever getting the attention you expect on 970 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.679 the Royal Rumble if it competes against playoff NFL football. 971 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.360 It's hard enough on an NFL Sunday in general, right 972 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.199 or during you know, Monday night football for raw. But 973 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.039 Jesus Christ, I mean if the you know, if it's 974 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.639 playoff day all day and they're deciding the divisional champions 975 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.400 or the FC NFC champions, nobody's watching the Rummy to 976 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.400 do exactly. So I don't blame them in that way. 977 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.760 But just a cork of the calendar denies me the 978 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.599 January comfort. I need no surprise there. And you know, 979 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.960 thinking back about how I got you know, really anal 980 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.119 about keeping every pay per view and recording everyone, and actually, 981 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.679 when I think back with more particularity on it, it 982 00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.679 wasn't something I decided that very day after the Rumble 983 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.440 was over, that this is the beginning of new thing. 984 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:01.199 Yeah. 985 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.840 But when the February in your House came around, oh, 986 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.000 and I landed in a position where I can buy 987 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:07.760 this thing and there's a VCR. I wasn't there. I 988 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:09.400 was at another house as my grandmother's house. I was like, 989 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.000 wait a minute, me can I actually asked by this 990 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.199 and we got the yes and I recorded it. 991 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:14.719 Ooh. 992 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:16.760 And after that, I was like forget it, like I 993 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.480 can't not do this. I'm gonna buy WrestleMania because of 994 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.880 course the rumble hooked me on Mania and Shawn Michael's 995 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.079 going for it of course, and then Warrior came back. 996 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.920 It's like, fuck this, I gotta Warrior. Oh yeah, so 997 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.639 ready for that and that just like I can't stop now, 998 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.159 I have to keep going, and I kept going. I 999 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.559 kept going. We haven't done that. Forevery ninety six rumbled 1000 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.679 and Louis in your house in Louisville. Have we I 1001 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:38.159 don't think so? 1002 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:41.639 Uh no, no, we have not. 1003 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.480 Taker comes out the bottom of the ring. Okay, because 1004 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.519 a lot of the stuff we're gonna talk about Visa 1005 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.360 VI Kevin Nash and this time period on this show 1006 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.679 evolves around that show as well. Because to hear Kevin 1007 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.159 Nash tell it. That was kind of the last draw 1008 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.159 for him as far as deciding whether he was definitely 1009 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.239 going to WCW or not. Was that whole thing where 1010 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.159 he wanted to put Sean down with this with his 1011 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.199 jackknife before Taker came out leading the idea that he 1012 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:01.679 was close to get in the belt back and it's 1013 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.559 kind of a win for him, and then Brett putting 1014 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.400 up a fight, like, you know, if we're gonna just 1015 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.119 do this, Undertaker come out of the ring, it makes 1016 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.480 no sense for me to take the jackknife and give 1017 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.199 the crowd an indication that you're gonna win the belt. 1018 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.519 That's when Undertaker, who never says anything so his motherfucker's 1019 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.400 not about you, don't forget Nash puts those words in 1020 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.559 Undertaker's mouth, even though it's exactly how Kevin Nash and 1021 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:27.039 Kevin Nash alone would say it, exactly with. 1022 00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:28.239 The motherfucker in the beginning. 1023 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.960 Yeah, at most I understand people say motherfucker, but Nash 1024 00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.920 only Nash puts it at the beginning of the sentence, 1025 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.679 right right, So just tremendous stuff. And uh, and that's 1026 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.760 you know, also part of the narrative of why Kivin 1027 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.599 Nash left we're not too far away from that Raw 1028 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.599 magazine Why Nash Why or whatever it's says yep, Oh god, 1029 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.159 what a time. And that's another thing that's coming out 1030 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.360 Raw Magazine. You want to talk about the shifting direction. 1031 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:57.679 And sure, for sure, whenever Vince Russo's asked about sensing 1032 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.159 the change, that's his whole thing is, you know, Vince Rusou, 1033 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.360 because he was a debt of magazine and writing promos, 1034 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:04.679 was able to get a little bit of leeway on 1035 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.199 this new Raw Magazine title. And by the time Vince 1036 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.360 really felt up against it and needed to do something drastic, 1037 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.719 he Gordon Vince Risau. Yeah exactly. They had already done 1038 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.440 pinups of Sonny and there remember that the ronjer rats 1039 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.840 on the front cover. Oh yeah, you remember this, and 1040 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.639 then the Marlena one, Like, what's happening here? Marlena debuts 1041 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.039 on this rumble as well, Yes she does. First time 1042 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.159 we ever seen Martlina or as you would call her, 1043 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:33.159 tremendous stuff. Stay stay in your m lane throughout the 1044 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.559 course of this round, is my high suggestion. Now Vince 1045 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.360 McMahon is up against it and just needs something drastic, 1046 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.480 and he Gordon Russo takes a copy of Raw magazine, 1047 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.400 throws it down on the desk and says, this is 1048 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.840 where we're going. You know, this is this isn't just 1049 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.079 going to be some like different take on the company. 1050 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.719 This is going to be the company, the thrust of 1051 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.559 what we do, the theme, the field of what we do. 1052 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.599 And that's all happening now before anyone seemed ready for it, 1053 00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.519 before anyone realized there was an emergency. 1054 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.480 Well, that's just it, like it's it's it's wild that 1055 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:08.039 that they're already you know, very very very lightly putting 1056 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.119 their toes in the water here stuff. 1057 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:10.400 Boss. 1058 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.199 I was not I really I really kind of forgot that. 1059 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.280 And and it's not like we haven't touched upon this 1060 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.639 this era at all either, Like we've we've certainly done 1061 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:28.280 some nineties, some some ninety six. We've done a lot 1062 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.280 of ninety six stuff actually in the last year or 1063 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.199 so and. 1064 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.800 So first half of ninety six. 1065 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.840 That's yeah, that's where it's kind of really surprising, where 1066 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.400 there's a lot more of this stuff than than you expect, 1067 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.360 and even leading back to ninety five. Honestly, like we 1068 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.199 like we said between nash and and gold Dust, like 1069 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.360 that's that's ninety five. That's a whole Yeah, that's a 1070 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:48.159 whole thing here. 1071 00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.400 Yeah, the way they treated Nash losing the belt to 1072 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.840 Bret Hart Survivor Series ninety five, I think is like 1073 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.880 the earliest flicker of it, you know. Yeah, yeah, So 1074 00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:58.800 we'll get into all that with the table crash in 1075 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:00.280 that match, one of the first times they I think 1076 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.039 the first time they ever broke a table in WW 1077 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.199 first time someone went at the table. It's like, Okay, 1078 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.679 they're going to go this way. So it's it's gonna 1079 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.760 be a real joy and a unique nostalgic run to 1080 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.400 go back through, at least for me, this ninety ninety 1081 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.639 six Roure a Rumbles show. Sure as we prepare for 1082 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.840 another rumble season here in that cast and besides this, 1083 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.119 what eighty nine and that's it? 1084 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:20.639 Ninety nine as well? 1085 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:22.960 You get to do ninety nine, Vince's big win. We 1086 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:23.960 went to ninety nine. 1087 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:26.119 Eighty nine. 1088 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:29.599 Have we done ninety four? 1089 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.320 Have we done ninety four? I think we did we 1090 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.960 ninety four? We did ninety four, Yeah, we did do 1091 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.599 ninety four. Yeah, the tie A six, Yeah, it's this 1092 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:41.239 and and ninety nine or are the two that we 1093 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:45.440 have not done of that? You know in that time, 1094 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.239 percuse we did nine. We did up to two thousand 1095 00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:47.559 and one. 1096 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:54.079 And you're not counting eighty nine, no, I mean, oh, eight, nine. 1097 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.480 Ninety six and ninety nine. Yeah, those are the three three. 1098 00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.079 From the period that matters. Not to say we'll never 1099 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.519 do another Rumble, but this is a big thing I'm 1100 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:02.159 checking off. 1101 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.239 I mean, you know, I was like, you know, there's 1102 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.400 one Rumble I know we should do just because we 1103 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.199 were there, which is two thousand and three, absolutely, you know, 1104 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.559 but it's not like it's on the fast track right now. 1105 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.960 Tremendous, tremendous stuff. So we're going to really make sure 1106 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.920 you're ready for Rumble season here with a treatment of 1107 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.719 this particular night in Fresno, California. And of course it's 1108 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.920 a wonderful time to be involved with us over at 1109 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.440 Patreon because the were Rumble Live call is coming your way, 1110 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.159 to say nothing of the next installment of Saturday Night's 1111 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.559 Main Event, which we primed you for with our coverage 1112 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.000 last time we were with you on the main feed 1113 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.280 of the very first Saturday Nights Made Event Special YEP 1114 00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.320 in nineteen eighty five. And I do have to give 1115 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.079 a little bit of a couple of stars out to 1116 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.079 people who had the most money comments. I think I'm 1117 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.199 going to make this a regular feature in twenty twenty five. 1118 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.320 You know, we always do feedback shows and we'll get 1119 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.119 to all your great letters and sentiments. But I have 1120 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.320 to give the gold medal to Zach on this one 1121 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.880 on Patreon, who had the following comment relative to things, 1122 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.679 and we were talking about fabulous Mula visa via sybyan Oh. 1123 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.239 Yes, like you do. 1124 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.400 And I think Zach really was smart about it. He said, 1125 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.400 you know, no way Mulla would buy a Sibyan. But 1126 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.280 let's just say she's owned the same Westinghouse dryer from 1127 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.719 Sears since the fifties and there is a top corner 1128 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.000 with not a bit of paint left on it. 1129 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:26.320 Fuck my life. 1130 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.880 Can you picture her, yes, making her way genteely down 1131 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.559 the stairs to the basement in like the sixties to 1132 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:35.480 take a ride on some American steel. 1133 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:36.320 Yeah. 1134 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:42.320 Absolutely, listen, she has needs. I think that's yeah, I 1135 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.800 think that's what, like, we have to stop beating around. Well, 1136 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:45.639 but in the bunt. 1137 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.199 Doesn't she doesn't. She does not give a fuck. All right, 1138 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.719 everyone knows that she fucking rides the ship. Everybody knows 1139 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.280 how old is she gonna get satisfied? 1140 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:56.599 You can't. 1141 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.679 She's not gonna have a husband. She's a fabulous There 1142 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.440 is no gentleman who can satisfy that. Once she discovered that, 1143 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.559 it was over. Like the it's not a guy in 1144 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.480 the world that can interest her and activate her loins. 1145 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:16.800 Give me a break. None, none, none, none. She's hungry, 1146 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:27.079 she needs she needs sustenance. And that's where. 1147 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:29.719 Do you call it? Sustenance? 1148 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:41.840 And that's where the device comes Oh, that's where that's 1149 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.679 where the device comes in, comes in. We got you. 1150 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:47.519 What was his name? Billy? 1151 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.880 Oh god, what is it? The old promoter of women? 1152 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.079 But Billy Wolf. He was the last one that could 1153 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:58.559 get her eyes to roll the back of her head. 1154 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.639 And from that point forward, if it wasn't from the 1155 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.960 appliance room and sears, it wasn't going to do it. 1156 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.800 Damn Jesus, can you put a lid on it, Lilyan, 1157 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.679 Jesus can only imagine. 1158 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:17.039 So. 1159 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:21.159 Also, honorable mention goes to Corey and Winnipeg, who loves 1160 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.920 this era and has a great resource for this era. 1161 00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:25.400 We were wondering when did Hogan switch from I Have 1162 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:28.519 the Tiger to real American he certainly hadn't by the 1163 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.639 first Enterning's Man event in May eighty five. He advises 1164 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.639 Hogan's first juice of Real American December thirty first, nineteen 1165 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.039 eighty five, and an MSG show versus Randy Savage the 1166 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.000 first time of the Hogan. 1167 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.159 Sales program took on. Oh shit Wow. 1168 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:43.760 He writes, Hogan loses by count out, which is a 1169 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.760 funny way to debut his anthem that is kind of 1170 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.320 that is weird. Corey also advises that for Hogan and 1171 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.239 te hosting SNL, the host didn't get sick. He pulled 1172 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:53.679 out of the gig the week of the show because 1173 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.000 of an expected writer strike. Steve Landsberg from the TV 1174 00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.639 show Barney Miller was the scheduled host. He still appears 1175 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.440 and does a stand up bed. The show is the 1176 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.599 only one that doesn't have a weekend update segment. 1177 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:06.519 Wow. 1178 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.119 That episode of SNL turns out to be notable for 1179 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.480 many reasons, but that creating the opening, as we discussed 1180 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.400 last week, for Hogan and mister t right before WrestleMania, indeed, 1181 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:18.199 the night before WrestleMania one take the stage on SNL 1182 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:20.880 and interest a whole lot more people and uh and 1183 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.239 looking in and leading to us. 1184 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.519 I still think that it's more ever Saw. I think 1185 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.039 ever Saw I would have said told the guy that 1186 00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:30.159 he fucking say it's a writer strike, right, say strike. 1187 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:31.360 I don't give a shit, but you're not going on 1188 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.239 the show, going. 1189 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.079 On the show no matter what, because he's pulling rank. 1190 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:36.800 I mean, it's not you know, Steve Lansberg makes reference 1191 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.039 on the broadcast to the to the reporting that he 1192 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:40.960 was sick or his family member was sick. Now whether 1193 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.800 subsequent to that people found out the real reason wasn't that. 1194 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.000 I'm not saying that is ari isn't the case, but 1195 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.400 it's not like people invented illness as a reason he 1196 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.360 was off the show. That was that was everywhere that week, right, 1197 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.639 and he even mentions it himself. But it is curious, 1198 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.559 yet he still appears. And and the weekend update thing, 1199 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.400 you know, makes sense in terms of like not having 1200 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.480 the writing staff to put that together, or having a 1201 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.280 writing staff that doesn't have its foot on the gas 1202 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.039 and is waiting to see what happens, waiting for the word. 1203 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.239 So that's that, And these are all examples, those two insights. 1204 00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.840 If you can call Zach's comment an insight I consider 1205 00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.400 it an insight. When I read Westinghouse, I almost spit 1206 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:20.840 my water out everywhere. That's what you're missing if you're 1207 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.960 not on Patreon. It's not just the ad free versions 1208 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:24.440 of the show. It's not just deep dives a day 1209 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.039 before everybody else. It's not just the monthly premium live 1210 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.039 calls of modern WWE. We watch it so you don't 1211 00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.239 have to. It's not just for the motors WrestleMania, wrestle Mamia, 1212 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.639 pardon me. It's not just for the EPs under the cinemat. 1213 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:40.400 It's for these comments from these incredibly funny, insightful listeners 1214 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.440 who have great knowledge, who fill in so many gaps 1215 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.880 that we have no matter how diligently we researched something. 1216 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.199 People who just lived every era and wrestling in every 1217 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.199 part of the world, not just the United States, and 1218 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.960 it's many pockets of wrestling history. But I feel like 1219 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.920 there's a listener with a beat on wrestling from every 1220 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.679 country that's had wrestling of significance that we've heard from 1221 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.159 over the years. People who were, you know, just as 1222 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.239 religious about watching WABFF on German and Italian television as 1223 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.920 we were on American television. Of course, and Canadian and all. 1224 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.559 It's all there, and it's a wonderful thing to be 1225 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:14.159 able to take in even if you don't partake, just 1226 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.519 to be able to see the comments and see the 1227 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.199 things people come up with and see the way they 1228 00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.559 answer questions. Martin was able to find video of the 1229 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.960 Hogan Jesse match for Minneapolis Wow that was referenced. I 1230 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:27.519 guess it just was put up recently. In a bit 1231 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.519 of lap serendipity. We played an interview last week with 1232 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.800 Jesse Mentur on a Minneapolis talk show talking about how 1233 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.800 we just wrestled Hulk Hogan in the market and how 1234 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.840 fascinating that was considering how close that was to Saturday 1235 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.559 Night's main event and his transition being an announcer. People 1236 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:47.000 forget how late into eighty five Jesse wrestled against Hogan. 1237 00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.599 So all that stuff and much more now under the 1238 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.639 cinemat came back with a bang for twenty twenty five. 1239 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.199 I guess you could call it a bang. There are 1240 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.480 movies that this same thing for wrestling shows that are 1241 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.360 good because we give it the treatment and then when 1242 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.400 left to their own devices, they're not worth the time, 1243 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.440 but they they make for the best lapsed treatments. 1244 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:10.480 Yes they do. 1245 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.599 You got to tell them about Death from Above. 1246 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:20.360 Yes, Death from Above sadly not the last uh sid 1247 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:25.119 udy venture into the film world that to come down 1248 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.039 the line at some point. But nonetheless we get a 1249 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.559 good uh you know, we went back to Pittsburgh, went 1250 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.159 back to River of Darkness. We got the chance to 1251 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.639 to really dig into you know, Kurt Angle and his 1252 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.400 and his disease and lots of lots of stuff. And 1253 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:52.119 it's an awful film. It's an awful film. And and 1254 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:59.480 James Storm and uh, what's your name, Obadiah? What's ob 1255 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:00.880 odb whatever? 1256 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.119 It's definitely not I'll tell you that. 1257 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:08.960 And Rhino too, Rhino as well, and it's it's just 1258 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:15.400 such a it's it's just so it's such a trash movie. 1259 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.400 But still you said better than Almighty thor Oh. I 1260 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.880 think so wow. I think so that's just amazing. That's 1261 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:26.239 just amazing to me. I think you're mest I'm going 1262 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.199 to try. I know you will. I listen. You know what, 1263 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:33.440 the the tiers for bankers might might do it. 1264 00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:35.199 Yeah, that sounds like a real contender. 1265 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.400 It may be the best contender because you know what, 1266 00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.679 I'll say this at least almighty thor attempted special effects. Right, 1267 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.280 you know, there's at least that this is just tears 1268 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.159 from Tears for Bankers. Is just the fucking drizzling shits. 1269 00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.320 Hey, mean, that's what we need to do with our 1270 00:58:54.360 --> 00:59:01.400 Patreon tiers for bankers, I mean tier, I mean just 1271 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.119 for that episode. 1272 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.519 Yeah, that's right, Tier for Bankers. 1273 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:06.199 I think you just gave me a really naughty idea, 1274 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:09.079 a one show tier that last. 1275 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:09.519 Yeah. 1276 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.719 Okay, sorry everybody, it's coming, all right, rev engines and 1277 00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.639 warm up your wallets, yep, Okay, but it's it's all. 1278 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.280 It's it's so work. What a great time we had 1279 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.719 with that under the cinemat man, those episodes, those those 1280 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.159 movies are just so funny. When you see wrestlers. You know, 1281 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:27.760 it's one thing to have one wrestler in the movie, 1282 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.400 but when you have seven, it's like, okay. 1283 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.239 Oh, I know, and that that's the thing. Like basically 1284 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.679 like it's like Kurt Angle brought all of his friends, right, 1285 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:40.400 It's right, it's exactly what it is. Like I I 1286 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.599 was just shocked and appalled at how many fucking wrestling 1287 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:48.199 talent was in this goddamn movie. And and you know, 1288 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.480 and what's your butts squeezing or tits? The whole time. 1289 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:51.800 It's just like, oh my god. 1290 00:59:51.960 --> 01:00:10.159 Like the wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the 1291 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:28.280 boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a 1292 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:33.719 lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio, m JP sorrow. 1293 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.840 When she catches a guy jerking off in her gas 1294 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:38.119 so you get an on the mat. 1295 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.639 We get a guy jerking off to a magazine in 1296 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:41.920 her store. 1297 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.840 Yeah, she's like a convenience store manager in the movie, right, 1298 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.760 I mean, I mean scenes like you wouldn't believe. And 1299 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:48.920 it was so fun to have the chance to go 1300 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:50.639 back to think about Kurt coming into TNA in the 1301 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.320 first place, and I remembered interviewing him. I got to 1302 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.039 tell that story, which I kind of told it before, 1303 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.280 but like this is the perfect time because we're probably 1304 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.719 not going to do you know, unless some hop maniac 1305 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.760 in some future year picks it, you know, the Samoa 1306 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:05.880 Joe matches. We're probably not gonna talk about angles early 1307 01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:09.039 years in TNA EVERA. 1308 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.320 I can I can always hope, you can hope for it, right, Yeah, 1309 01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.039 we said that about Hogan's TNA era too, and we 1310 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:14.719 fucking didn't. 1311 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:20.119 We turned the show over to but TNH is resonating now. 1312 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.599 Man as he comes back, it's like and people are like, 1313 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.800 why is this guy so like lame? Now It's like, well, 1314 01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:29.079 let me tell you a story. Okay, it goes back 1315 01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.559 the ways, and so yeah, that's another thing you're able 1316 01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:33.840 to get for your Patreon dollar. We did a live 1317 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:35.559 call of the Netflix debut and you were able to 1318 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.239 hear our live reaction to Hogan getting that that that 1319 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.760 huge rejection from the people in LA and what's gonna 1320 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.440 happen Saturday Night's main event? They seem to be going 1321 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.840 forward with featuring him as like this mascot of the 1322 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:51.400 days of snm E. What's gonna happen? We'll be rolling tape. 1323 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.079 We'll be rolling tape. God, are you going to be there? 1324 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:57.000 That's the only question at this point. WrestleMania's coming up 1325 01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:58.880 two nights. We'll be in our chairs where we belong, 1326 01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.639 not in Vegas, but in our fucking home. I mean, 1327 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:03.800 it's it's the time. It's the time to lock and 1328 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.079 load elimination chamber and just anything we come up with, 1329 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.800 to say nothing of our tiptop to our rider dies, 1330 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.360 those who give way way more than anybody else, and 1331 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.159 so signal to us that no matter what, you know, 1332 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.360 even if we get hit with a wildfire, this house 1333 01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:20.519 will be standing. It's the moat. 1334 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.960 To your boss and it's restaurant. Tell them about Oh, 1335 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:28.119 it absolutely is. I mean, just you know, we're i mean, listen, 1336 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.199 we're in Rumble season, so we're you know, I've got 1337 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:35.440 a little project with my mom that every year around 1338 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.599 the Rumble, we're just gonna watch all the rumbles in succession, 1339 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:40.119 yes as they go, you know. 1340 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.800 And uh so you're gonna watch the Rumble and succession. 1341 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:45.159 Yes, we're gonna do both. We're going to like do 1342 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.039 a the Rumble and then see if there's an episode 1343 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.400 of Succession that can kind of co correspond with that one. 1344 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.159 I mean you want to talk about I mean, there's 1345 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.280 the McMahon thing, you know, shivs, Stephanie and Tom is 1346 01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:59.920 triple h. We've you know, and a Kendall is Shame. 1347 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:01.960 We've done that a million times. But I mean the 1348 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.000 Trump's my god, I was just thinking about this. I mean, 1349 01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:09.719 you've got now with Baron, you've got the Roman, You've 1350 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.840 got the Roman Roy Yeah, and you've got you know, 1351 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:19.960 Don Junior's definitely Kendall. You know, Avanka's definitely Shive. There's 1352 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.480 some more in the fray, you know, there's more kids. 1353 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:26.320 But oh my god, that that show is like, it's 1354 01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.000 got to be such a mind fuck to be in 1355 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.239 those families and watch that show and to like see 1356 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:33.000 yourself and those characters and like you try to pretend 1357 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:33.480 they don't have it. 1358 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.760 The best part they don't. You don't see yourself. You're like, man, 1359 01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:38.760 I'm glad I'm not that person. But it's like, you 1360 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.320 really are, you really are. That's right. 1361 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.639 You can tell yourself it's not you, but it's you. 1362 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:44.960 It's it's what makes you tick. It might not be 1363 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.400 your exact circumstance, but what makes those characters tick is 1364 01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:52.840 what you mean speaking of which, so yeah, definitely this 1365 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:54.039 is the time to get back on you want to 1366 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:55.920 talk about, get back in the living room carpet and 1367 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:59.639 watch a rumble. Russell. Mommy is the oh absolutely closest 1368 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:01.280 facts million podcasting you'll find. 1369 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:05.840 She you know, she's she's it's it's it's I'm always 1370 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.760 pleased with the reception that she gets because, honest to god, 1371 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.440 that that's that's her. You know, that ain't. That's not 1372 01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.960 an act confirm you know, I I I prime her 1373 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:20.039 so that she's not performing, you know, that's that's kind 1374 01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.880 of it, Like there's a process to kind of get 1375 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.880 her where she's just settled and just off the cuff. Yeah, 1376 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.199 she's not. She's not performed like she when she can 1377 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.719 get kind of just invested in in what she's watching 1378 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.719 on television. It's just like there's just you know, it's gone, 1379 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:36.559 like she's just she's just being honest and. 1380 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:38.639 Give the people a little flavor. Does she always need 1381 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:40.400 reminders of what a royal rumble is? 1382 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:45.519 Or she needs a reminder of everything she's watched let 1383 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.360 me tell you like the the if you haven't heard 1384 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:54.039 this already, just she needs a reminder pretty much every 1385 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:59.960 time we record that that that that that the wrestler 1386 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.880 needs to have his back on the mat right and 1387 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:07.719 shoulders down to count to three, because she'll say, well, 1388 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.599 the guy is down on the mat. How come he's 1389 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.840 not Why is the referee counting? He's not uncovered, He's 1390 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.480 not being covered. He has to be covered. He thinks 1391 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.239 it's like boxing, right exactly, like you get you get 1392 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.599 counted out, which you do. Actually you know, it's funny. 1393 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.280 You do do that sometimes, but no, like she's like, 1394 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.360 I'm like, no, mommy, Oh you have to cast to 1395 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.039 be on top of the guy, and the same thing. 1396 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.000 Well he's on top of the guy, and well, mommy's 1397 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:32.559 not on his back. He's gonna be on his back. 1398 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:34.400 Which you know, the more you talk about too, the 1399 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.239 more you're like, wow, the rules are fucking just ridiculous. 1400 01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:39.400 That's what's so fun about it is trying to make 1401 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.400 it make sense, you know, because it doesn't. But how 1402 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:44.760 about imagine that if, like you thought pro wrestling was, 1403 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:47.000 you have to get off the mat three seconds after 1404 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:52.159 you get knocked down or your booth. Funny, Actually, it's hilarious. 1405 01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:54.199 I'll tell you of all the twists I've heard on matches, 1406 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.800 you know, like most falls in two minutes and all 1407 01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:00.320 the crazy you know, multiple falls matches and multiple person 1408 01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:02.400 that's one I haven't heard yet, And yeah you can. 1409 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:04.159 You can take that one. And it's on the house. 1410 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.440 You don't have to give us credit. I want to 1411 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:08.920 see what it looks like to have a wrestling match 1412 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:10.519 where you can't be on the mat for more than 1413 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:11.400 three seconds. 1414 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:13.639 Right, like you get you know, you take a flatback. 1415 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:16.960 The the time it takes to get up from from 1416 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.280 just taking a flatback is like more than three seconds. Yeah, 1417 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:21.480 it's take at least for my fat ass. 1418 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.519 It would well, it would make every high impact move 1419 01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:27.199 so much more meaningful because like, you don't have to 1420 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.039 knock the guy thoroughly out, you know what I mean, 1421 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:31.440 All you have to do is hit him with enough 1422 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:33.519 impact that he stays down for three seconds, which happens 1423 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:34.400 in every match. 1424 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:34.639 You know. 1425 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.280 That's how you sell any move of consequence, and so 1426 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.679 all of a sudden, a vertical soupx is potentially for 1427 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.239 the win if you do it at the right time. 1428 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:44.159 I'll tell you, man, I don't I don't know why 1429 01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:47.320 people don't just steal our ship and book wrestling promotions better. 1430 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.320 I mean, I know a lot of them do, but 1431 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.719 more should so wrestle mom you, I mean, I don't 1432 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:56.159 think much more needs to be said. If you're not 1433 01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.000 hooked in, we get it. But trust me, if if 1434 01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.079 you have the means, yes we have the miles. 1435 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.920 Okay, it's I think it's I mean, there's certainly a 1436 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:09.679 lot of fun and she does enjoy watching it. Oh, 1437 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:11.400 I mean, it's come to the point where she's like, 1438 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:12.920 you know, she asks like, if she's around, are we 1439 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.920 gonna be able to watch the wrestling? Yes, mom. 1440 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.800 That's always been one of my favorite parts of like 1441 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.880 the adult who thinks it's phony and doesn't understand when 1442 01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:24.920 they get into it just a little bit. Yeah, exactly, 1443 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.199 they lean in just a little bit. That's a wonderful feeling, yep. 1444 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.119 And we try to keep that feeling alive here at TLF. 1445 01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.440 As you well know by now. Another way to keep 1446 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.599 the feeling alive is to follow the lead of homies 1447 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:38.519 like Dominic and some others that we've seen out in 1448 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.800 the wild wearing TLF shwag to live events always the 1449 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.400 ticket for us to spread the word and spread the gospel. 1450 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.800 I've seen some shirts out there. I've seen people in 1451 01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:50.119 shirts where they're not looking to bring it to our attension, 1452 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.000 but I still see them and I love that too. 1453 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.400 But always let us know, man, we'd love to shout 1454 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:56.039 you out if you go to Pro Wrestling Teas dot com, 1455 01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:57.920 slash the lapsed Fan and look through our t shirt 1456 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.559 catalog over the years, all the inside jokescluding the ones 1457 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.519 we talked about. I have an inside joke just childhood 1458 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.760 drawings on a fucking T shirt. We want to know 1459 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:09.119 about it and we appreciate your patronage. 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We hope to see plenty 1467 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.760 of black and red out in Vegas for Mania this year. 1468 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.680 Look forward to your dispatches there and a lot more 1469 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.159 to come on on a chances to see your coach 1470 01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:40.119 hairs perhaps this summer. 1471 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:41.840 I don't know, You never know. 1472 01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:46.199 Roughly sketched plans, things do, things happen, Things do absolutely happen, 1473 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.720 and so that's great, and so we'll have that, and 1474 01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:53.800 we'll have much more as the year unfolds, undoubtedly for 1475 01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:57.319 your Patreon dollar. But that that's that's more than enough. 1476 01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:59.479 And if you're not convinced it's worth it, we are 1477 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:00.800 not convince you're worth it. 1478 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.920 So here we go. Keep that very much in mind. Yes, 1479 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:05.239 very simple. Indeed. 1480 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:08.640 So here's something I bet you don't know about the 1481 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:10.000 nineteen ninety six Royal Rubble. 1482 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:11.640 Boss, tell me, did you. 1483 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.880 Know that it was during this time period, roughly six 1484 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:19.520 months before and after this, that the Fresno b the 1485 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:24.479 newspaper for Fresno, California, the show being in Fresno. The 1486 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:26.359 editor of that paper was the lapsed editor for that 1487 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:27.000 time period. 1488 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:33.880 Oh my god, I did not know. But I'm not surprised. 1489 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:35.520 I don't know what you have to do to warm 1490 01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:37.239 up your pipes or anything. But we are about to 1491 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.920 take a deep dive into how the Fresno be covered 1492 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.000 the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble. And if you think 1493 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.279 they just let this one come and go without all 1494 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.720 the requisite boxes being checked, you do not know this podcast, 1495 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:53.279 my friend, you do not know this podcast. Let's start 1496 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.840 with the first article ahead of the Rumble January nine, 1497 01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.439 WWF Starr is Ready to Rumble. Will give you a 1498 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.720 little little insight as to where WWF was placing the 1499 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.279 local drive ticket sales promotional attention for this event. 1500 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:14.640 This is where we start. Okay, here we go. Uh 1501 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:22.359 WWE star is Ready to Rumble. One fan moved toward 1502 01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.399 the exit an autographed picture of Shaan Michael's clutched to 1503 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.960 a face. Whatever you might think about the worlds of entertainment, 1504 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:32.840 this fan's tears were real. So was the adulation shown 1505 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.319 for one of the more flamboyant charismatic performance in w 1506 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.000 W history, The Heartbreak Kid. 1507 01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.640 I do feel compelled to interrupt. While I did say 1508 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.479 the Labs editor edited this paper, he did not write 1509 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:43.199 these articles. 1510 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:45.000 So all right, that's right, that's good point. 1511 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.399 He's the one looking over the shoulder. We gotta remember, 1512 01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.880 Bruce Ferres, the article of this and many of these 1513 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.319 fresno By articles covering were a rumble. He wants to 1514 01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:55.680 cover WWF coming to tenth fair and so he's gonna 1515 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.319 he's gonna get the wrist slapped a few times, but 1516 01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.239 he's gonna get more into the local paper than WIF 1517 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:00.920 is accustomed to. 1518 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:06.439 Gotcha, all right, I'll start over. One fan moved towards 1519 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.640 the exit an autographic picture of Jean Michael's clutch to 1520 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.680 her face. Whatever you might think about the worldessing entertainment, 1521 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.399 this fan's tears were real. So was the adulation shown 1522 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.920 for one of the more flamboyant charismatic performance in w 1523 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:19.920 W history. The Heartbreak kids. 1524 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.479 Come on in, Bruce, come in this first line of 1525 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:26.119 the second paragraph. You want to read this to me? 1526 01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:35.319 One one fan moved towards the exit. The next line, Oh, 1527 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:39.399 whatever you might think about the worlderessing entertainment, this fan's 1528 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.680 tears were real. What do you think that is? We 1529 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:47.199 we that first half. Look, Look, you've done good, kid, 1530 01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:51.119 You're done good. That's exactly what I want. I want 1531 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:53.199 to tell you something right now. I don't really I 1532 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.680 rarely give praise. Listen, listen, I'm not a happy guy. 1533 01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:58.520 All right, I'm gonna put that out there. I'm not 1534 01:11:58.560 --> 01:11:59.960 a happy guy. But don't want to tell you something now. 1535 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:05.479 You made me happy, all right. You let me say, listen, 1536 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:07.920 this is one of the best written articles I've ever 1537 01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.479 seen in my life, ever in my years in the business. 1538 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:17.760 All Right, I I it's not It's right. It's not often. 1539 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.159 Much stuff in the paper for this show. 1540 01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:23.199 That I come out and I say, hey, you know what, 1541 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:28.319 what you've written is just what we need. Person. 1542 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:31.079 I wants you to tell me why that preamble right 1543 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.520 there was relevant before you write this? Fans tears real? 1544 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:34.640 Tell me why you put that in note. 1545 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:36.119 You know what, you know what? You know what that was? 1546 01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:36.960 You know why? 1547 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.760 You know I'll tell you why. See, I don't even 1548 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.000 know if you knew this or not, but this is 1549 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:46.039 this is the way your great mind works because it's 1550 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:50.279 all bullshit. It's all fucking bullshit. And you know that, 1551 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.560 you fucking know that, you know what, you know what's 1552 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.520 you know what? This is what makes it great because 1553 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.439 you know that, and because you're ready to to expose 1554 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.399 the ship of the people. I don't have to kill you, 1555 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:09.960 all right, well, excuse me. I keep a gun in 1556 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:14.680 my desk, all right for times just like this, except 1557 01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:16.920 the reporter comes in here off and says, you know 1558 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.520 what you know? Don't They don't. They don't know what 1559 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.199 they're fucking writing. They don't know what they're fucking writing. 1560 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:24.640 And so when they come in here and they don't 1561 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:28.520 admit from the very beginning of this fucking ship, this 1562 01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:34.800 professional wrestling bullshit is literally masking the eyes of the 1563 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:35.520 American people. 1564 01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.159 Right well, boss, I just want to tell you I 1565 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.239 really appreciate the praise. It means a ton to me, 1566 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:43.880 and I'm so glad that you saw merit in the 1567 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.359 way A friend I do want to tell you something. 1568 01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:47.600 See this is my gun. 1569 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:54.960 People people get this in their face when they don't 1570 01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:58.800 write the truth. And I don't want to I don't 1571 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.479 want to disabuse you of any note. But I mean 1572 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:03.760 what I was trying to say with that sentence. Whatever 1573 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.319 you might think about the World Wrestling Entertainment, this fan's 1574 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:09.399 tears and tears were real. Yeah, I was acknowledging. But 1575 01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:11.640 but what I was trying to say, isn't it remarkable 1576 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:16.359 that this thing, this enterprise can bring real tears even 1577 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:17.760 though it might not be real in the ring. I 1578 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.520 wasn't trying to make fun of them for being fake 1579 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:22.319 or point out they were fake. I was trying to 1580 01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:24.399 point out, actually that it's quite real the effect it 1581 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:25.119 has on people. 1582 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:34.520 I'm sorry, Would you mind repeating that again? 1583 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:36.680 Well, I was just saying, you know, when I write whatever, 1584 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.720 he shut the fuck up. I call you in here 1585 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:42.359 and I give you praise. 1586 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.520 I have been vulnerable with you, that's right exactly, And 1587 01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.720 he n he didn't feel comfortable doing it. I have 1588 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.439 exposed my unabelly to you just now. I have said 1589 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:59.479 I have given you praise that apparently apparently is not 1590 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:05.640 duty because you're a fucking idiot, because you're a fucking fool, 1591 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:10.880 because you, like everybody else, has been hoodwinked by these 1592 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:19.159 fucking idiots, by these these fucking they are. I don't 1593 01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:20.479 even know where to be, these are. This is the 1594 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:23.039 scum of the earth, right all right? These are basically 1595 01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:25.720 warmongers here. I'm thinking when you write whatever you might 1596 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.680 think about the WWF, that that you're on the right team, 1597 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:30.880 that you put that in there because you know what's 1598 01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.720 fake and you need the people to know it's fake. 1599 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:36.000 I thought you knew what you were doing, and now 1600 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:37.800 you're just basically admitting that everything you wrote was a 1601 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:41.079 fucking fluke, And makes me wonder, are you a fluke? 1602 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.560 Are you a fluke as a human being? Are you 1603 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:48.760 just a fucking mistake just happen to be here? It 1604 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:53.399 makes me wonder if my weapon in my hand isn't 1605 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:59.439 better used in your foreheads. Makes a man wonder because 1606 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:01.159 if you're a fl maybe you shouldn't be here to 1607 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:01.479 begin with. 1608 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.840 You know what, I'll tell you what, stand here in 1609 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:05.680 this office and read the rest of the article right 1610 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:06.159 to my face. 1611 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:06.399 Do it? 1612 01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:08.520 Do it? Read the fucking pick up where you left off. 1613 01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:14.720 Go ahead, Michael's speaking at a media conference at the 1614 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.720 West Fresno Boys and Girls Club on Monday, announced he 1615 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.159 will be in Fresno's celland Arena on January twenty first, 1616 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.439 along with twenty nine other w performers. After the Royal Rumble, 1617 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.960 Michael says he was beaten by several Excuse me? 1618 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:28.079 What? 1619 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:32.800 Mmm? It was beaten. You didn't put quotes around. He 1620 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.560 was beaten. You know that was a That was a 1621 01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:39.399 that was a typo. I didn't me. I intended to 1622 01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:44.800 put quotes there, all right, Look that one slide. Keep 1623 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:49.680 in mind, I've got fifteen rounds in this sound. The 1624 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:50.479 chamber said. 1625 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:52.000 I don't know how many rounds they go in this 1626 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.680 wrestling crap, but it's not as many as I've got 1627 01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:55.239 in the glock. 1628 01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.359 I could have fifteen. I could have sixteen rounds put 1629 01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:01.399 in your body. Is it amazing that this guy never 1630 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:10.560 got charged with the you know, threatening it's always yeah somehow, 1631 01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.159 so he only got fired. 1632 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.279 You may tell yourself, well, he never actually did it, 1633 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.479 so it makes sense. No, it doesn't. You would absolutely 1634 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:18.520 be jailed for saying this. 1635 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:24.840 He's threatening to kill people with a fucking gun in 1636 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:30.000 his hand, says he was beaten by several thugs outside 1637 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.319 of Syracuse, New York nightclub in October who quote didn't 1638 01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:38.880 like the way Sean Michaels carried himself. One later, he 1639 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.760 collapsed during a match with Owen Hart on Monday Night Raw. 1640 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.640 The diagnosis was that Michaels was suffering from post concussion syndrome. 1641 01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:49.920 Come here, you're gonna you're gonna tell me, as an 1642 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:54.640 honest reporter that you believed that that phony kick that 1643 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.479 he took in the back. I was watching the phony 1644 01:17:57.560 --> 01:17:59.439 kick he took in the back of the head legitimately 1645 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:02.840 resulted in post in customer syndrome. I'm gonna take fucking stupid. 1646 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:04.479 I'm going to tell you the truth. You see, I 1647 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.159 watched this shit every week, exactly. I watched the shop 1648 01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:10.159 every week because I'm looking for every little fucking detail. 1649 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:15.039 All right, this this whole business, this whole fucking this, 1650 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:22.079 this racket, this, this syndicate, what going on here? This thing, 1651 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:26.079 this is bringing down the country, This is making us 1652 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:31.479 into completely subservient fools. And I'll tell you, credulous journalists 1653 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:33.560 like you don't help matters because you should be able 1654 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:37.239 to know without writing in my paper that he collapsed 1655 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:39.560 during a match with Owen Heart, like he really collapsed 1656 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:40.439 like it wasn't. 1657 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.920 He's a fucking he's a fucking idiot. Exactly. Do you 1658 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:45.560 want to know what a concussion feels like? 1659 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:47.640 You're gonna write somebody with collapsed on the on the 1660 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.279 theater stage. If I assign you to write a theater review, 1661 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:51.680 if he dies in the play, you're gonna write, he 1662 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:54.039 collapsed like it was really just come over here right 1663 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:54.520 now exactly. 1664 01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:59.239 Oh fuck him, Fuck you. 1665 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:02.720 Now, you fucking tust. 1666 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.399 Now you know what it feels like, and you know 1667 01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:08.880 what he did. It's fucking bulls. Give another round. Go 1668 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:23.840 what a boss? What a boss? Bullet surprise wad next time. 1669 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:29.039 Next time, I put a bullet in your head ship 1670 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.359 and we'll see how fucking can cust you on the story. 1671 01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:37.119 Well, we finally get the green light to do a 1672 01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:42.760 film studio. The Editor is just the first one, a 1673 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:46.640 film about an editor who just focks his reporters. 1674 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:56.319 Just like you man. It's like completely balls to the wall, 1675 01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.199 like how this guy survives yet somehow he's respects. Did 1676 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:00.600 you know? 1677 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.119 That's the best The best part. The last thirty seconds 1678 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:06.600 of the trailer is you looking up as if you're 1679 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.199 in the position of a grounded victim and he's just 1680 01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:12.039 punching the camera for thirty consecutive seconds. 1681 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:13.479 And that just is the editor. 1682 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:22.239 Print that motherfucker exactly all the news that's fit to print. 1683 01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:27.279 If you're willing to get God, keep going. This is 1684 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:28.000 great coverage. 1685 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.520 I let quote, I let my ego take over and 1686 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:35.560 got back in the ring too soon, said my. 1687 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:37.800 Working, he's working. 1688 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:39.920 Wait, you got this. This is a quote from you 1689 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.079 got this fucking quote from this motherfucker. He's said. 1690 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.159 He's working the frest no time. 1691 01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:52.800 No time is too soon because it's fake because he 1692 01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:56.239 didn't get injured. You didn't fucking get beaten up, he 1693 01:20:56.279 --> 01:20:58.800 didn't get concussed. And look at me, even if that happened. 1694 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.000 I know this police reports, I look into it. Even 1695 01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:02.720 if that happened, you're going to tell me that he's 1696 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:05.600 feeling the effects this far out, it's very clear they've 1697 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:09.880 got plans for the guy. And and and now was 1698 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.760 very clear. It's very clear they they they're doing the 1699 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:13.840 sympathy push with this guy. 1700 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:15.479 He looks you in the eye in a press conference 1701 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.239 with an authentic interaction with legitimate media like the Fresno 1702 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:21.520 b and you print him saying I got back in 1703 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:22.720 the ring too soon when you know. 1704 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.600 That that's how did you not know that? That's that's fake, 1705 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:27.239 that it didn't happen. You got to point out out 1706 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:29.840 the problem. The problem that I'm having here is that 1707 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.880 you're not saying you're not asking the right question. 1708 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:33.319 Right. 1709 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.439 He says, I let my ego take over and I 1710 01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.680 got back in the ring too soon, And you say 1711 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:42.039 to him, well, what's too soon? Isn't what you do? 1712 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.800 Phony that's right? I mean, isn't this obvious what you're 1713 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:47.920 supposed to ask? I mean like that, this is where 1714 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:51.359 you fail. You just let him keep let him keep going, 1715 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:53.760 just let you let him spin his web of lies. 1716 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.399 Would you have a job very very long if if 1717 01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:57.960 you if you let the maya do that to you, 1718 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:02.479 just you know and blab and blab and and you know, 1719 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:04.680 genua flecked and uh if you were if you were 1720 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:09.720 an accountant and you lied, you lied about you know, 1721 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:12.760 the money that was being taken in or being being 1722 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.880 uh you know, expensed, what happens to you? Are you credible? No, 1723 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.119 you're a fucking idiot, right, are You're a fucking fraud. 1724 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:19.760 Are you being lied to. 1725 01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:22.199 Your face as a journalist just supposed to interrupt the liar? 1726 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:27.079 This guy's a fucking fraud all right. Now listen, you 1727 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.000 feel this fucking cold steel against your fucking temple? 1728 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:31.239 All right? 1729 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:39.000 This this is real? Can you tell the difference? That's 1730 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:50.680 another line of the trailer. Now, as far as my health, 1731 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.079 I feel better, and ultimately the decision is mine. I 1732 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:55.840 have goals and dreams. Even that's fucking fake. Here's no 1733 01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:59.840 goals and dreams. He's a fucking idiot. He's pretending he's 1734 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.079 ten goals and dreams. His pretend golden character has goals 1735 01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:08.359 and dreams and dream This guy gets fed lines. If 1736 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:10.359 I ask going of you, Tom Hanks, are you gonna 1737 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.199 quote him saying Forrest Gump has dreams? Come on, man, 1738 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.880 do you know what this guy's real name is? Are 1739 01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.199 you aware that this Seawn Michael's name is Michael Hickinbottom. 1740 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:23.079 When I watch the credit, you think, let me ask you, 1741 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.399 do you think that a man named Michael Hickinbottom has 1742 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:34.319 fucking dreams? Not a fucking buddy quote. His guy's got nothing. 1743 01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:37.039 But when I watched the end of NXT, it says 1744 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.920 executive producers Paul Levech, Lee Fitting and Sean Michaels. I'm 1745 01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:44.039 really confused if that's where you put the real names. 1746 01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:52.439 I don't know if I could live with myself or 1747 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:54.840 the people around me if I didn't do the one 1748 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:58.000 thing I'm really good at, lying the people. 1749 01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.119 Yeah, you forgot the rest of the quote. You can 1750 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.960 just put in parenthesis if he didn't say it. I 1751 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.600 want to apologize to my friends, doctors, and family. I 1752 01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.680 have a destiny to meet in the w W either 1753 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:11.359 World Resting Entertainment Championship. I'm throwing my name in with 1754 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:14.319 the many names for the Royal Rumble and Fresno. Regardless 1755 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:16.560 of who is there, they will be facing the best, 1756 01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:22.239 and folks, that's me. You know why he's the best 1757 01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:25.640 because someone wrote it, Because someone wrote this guy is 1758 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:28.159 going to be the best, because he's not the best. 1759 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:31.640 And here we are, and you're printing it like it's legitimate, 1760 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:36.239 like he's a legitimate athlete. The best teams, the best 1761 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:38.399 athletes are the ones who win championships at the end 1762 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.600 of the season, not the ones who are scripted to 1763 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:44.520 win them. Those are called actors, and they're in movies 1764 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.199 and television shows. I'll give it to actors. At least 1765 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.520 the you know, at least the Academy doesn't script who's 1766 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.119 gonna win those things. At least they take a vote, 1767 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.319 for Christ's sakes. Here it's just here, it's just fucking 1768 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:56.880 you know. The only thing they're not doing is fucking 1769 01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:58.439 just announcing it for the public in the middle of 1770 01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:02.439 the show. And that's just fucking bullshit. Just sitting there. 1771 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:06.880 You're a fucking idiot. You know, then, you're a fucking idiot. 1772 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:08.760 You just let these people walk all over you. This 1773 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.239 is this is why this paper is failing today. This 1774 01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:13.600 show's coming to town. I send you the press conference 1775 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.359 to cover it with eyes wide open. You come back, 1776 01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:17.880 this guy in character. 1777 01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.359 I give you the opportunity to do the right thing 1778 01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:24.640 for the people of Fresno, to let them know that 1779 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.319 this is not healthy, that this right here is a 1780 01:25:27.399 --> 01:25:34.920 cancer on there on their community. And you, you, you 1781 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.079 just drink their fucking kool aid, right, you just allow 1782 01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:42.119 them to just to just continue their bullshit narrative. 1783 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.880 Oh I'm sorry, I thought you worked for the Fresno 1784 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:46.560 b not WWFPR. 1785 01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:48.880 And here I thought you were a fucking journalist and 1786 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:52.159 an honest man, little that I know, you're just a 1787 01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:52.920 fucking bitch. 1788 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:56.520 Doesn't sound like the same guy who told him fifteen 1789 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.359 minutes ago that he was really happy in present. 1790 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.000 Uh. 1791 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:06.079 The large cluster of fans gathered just outside the press 1792 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:09.000 conference area whooped, clapped, and what you see? This is 1793 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:13.399 the problem. They're buying into this bullshit. They think it's real. 1794 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:17.319 What's the matter with you? What is the matter? But 1795 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:19.960 why didn't you tell these people? What are you doing? 1796 01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:23.199 Why? Why? 1797 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:25.800 Now I gotta do it? 1798 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.239 You tell me when is the last time an American 1799 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:31.479 mainstream paper did an article about WWF coming to town 1800 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.119 and didn't find at least two fans to quote about 1801 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:37.000 why they even watched this ship? I mean, that is 1802 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.439 a that is a cornerstone of the It's almost like 1803 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:42.800 ap style. That's how much it has to be in 1804 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:44.000 the article, like you. 1805 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:44.640 Know, you know that. 1806 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:46.439 Oh I'm doing right now. I'm gonna tell you this 1807 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:48.840 right now, as I'm reading this shit out loud, or 1808 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:50.800 haven't you read this shit, I'm just taking my red 1809 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:52.520 pen and crossing everything out. You's gonna start over it 1810 01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:56.319 from scratch because you're so fucking dumb and so fucking 1811 01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:59.960 inept that you don't know how to write the fucking truth? 1812 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:02.520 Like what are you? 1813 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:06.680 Are you a newsman or are you a fucking bitch? 1814 01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:08.520 If I send you to Disney World, are you gonna 1815 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:10.000 come back with quotes from Mickey Mouse? 1816 01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:11.800 Is that what you're gonna do? 1817 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:13.439 An interview the people in the costume and pretend that 1818 01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:14.399 there are the costume? 1819 01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:15.119 Is that what you're gonna do? 1820 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:19.680 Because that's what you did here, and it's disgusting. You 1821 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:21.479 make me sick, you know what. I'm nauseous looking at 1822 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.680 your face. Finish the article and get the fuck out 1823 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:30.319 of here, No question, he is their man. I'm sure 1824 01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:32.279 none of the wrestlers are thrilled that I'm back, but 1825 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.000 they never liked me in the first place, he said, smiling. 1826 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:37.960 They still don't like me, and that's fine. Oh well, 1827 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.039 Sean's on his way, that's for sure, right. The rumble 1828 01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:44.079 winner will challenge the ww Champion in March at WrestleMania 1829 01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:47.279 twelve in Anaheim. The Sunday afternoon Royal Rumble will begin 1830 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:50.920 at three forty pm. There are also individual matches on 1831 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:54.119 the card. Tickets are twenty dollars, fifteen dollars and twelve dollars. 1832 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.159 They are available at the Fresno Convention Center box office 1833 01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:05.399 and Bass Outlets details two to six Bass. So what's 1834 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:08.560 the next move the LAPS editor makes Here here a 1835 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:10.800 top of the fence, Noby, I'm gonna say it's time 1836 01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:11.800 to rewrite this story. 1837 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:14.319 He's gonna call Jaqueline Thornton into the office here from 1838 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:15.760 the life section. He can count on her. 1839 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:16.800 I want you to do. 1840 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.960 Look, we tried already, and let me just say, Bruce 1841 01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:22.560 swung and missed to say the very least. I want 1842 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:23.920 you to go down there, and I want you to 1843 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.960 tell me, and I want to tell our readers why 1844 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:29.560 anybody would go to see this stuff, and why if 1845 01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.960 they do go to see this stuff, there's probably something 1846 01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:34.680 wrong with him. Now get out there, Jacqueline, because let 1847 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.199 me tell you right now, right Bruce is looking for 1848 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:40.439 a new job. Bruce is refucking typing his resume. He's done, 1849 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:42.439 all right, and if he's not done at the end 1850 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:44.640 of the day, I'm gonna fucking kill him. Maybe I'll 1851 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.359 give you another chance to after he sees you know, 1852 01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:49.079 the kind of thing we want, the house style we 1853 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:50.760 want in this stuff to get some more articles in. 1854 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:52.359 But for now he's on thin eyes, and I want 1855 01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:53.399 you to go show him how it's done. 1856 01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:55.439 Jacqueline wants you to close your eyes for a moment, 1857 01:28:55.520 --> 01:29:00.239 and I wants you to open up your ears. Hear 1858 01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:00.680 that noise? 1859 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:03.319 Yes, you know what that is. 1860 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:07.520 No, it's the hammer of a gun that I just cocked. 1861 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.039 I'm not afraid to use it on you if you 1862 01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:14.399 don't do the right fucking thing for the American people. 1863 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:18.840 Right, I have your brain splattered all over that avocado 1864 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:19.439 on your desk. 1865 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:24.880 Right, well, I will gladly splatter your brains on every 1866 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:30.520 fucking issue of this newspaper. Do the right thing for 1867 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:32.720 the American people? And what it counting on you? 1868 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:35.000 What is the headline? She comes back with, Boss, read 1869 01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:35.199 it for. 1870 01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:44.119 Him, ready to rumble. Fresno's family's idea of fun is 1871 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.720 a ringside seat to watch wrestlers take up pounding. 1872 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.279 Now we're getting somewhere. Give it to the people. Carmen 1873 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:54.800 Reid is our victim this week. 1874 01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.640 When Carmen Reid talks about Big time wrestling, she's like 1875 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.680 a preacher trying to convert the infidels who doubt it's 1876 01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:03.319 legitimacy as a professional sport. 1877 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:05.239 That's how you fucking do it? You get the word 1878 01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:06.439 legitimacy in the lead. 1879 01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:11.760 Let me Jacqueline, can we do you like champagne? What's 1880 01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:15.239 your favorite? Listen? You're not gonna celebrate, all right, and 1881 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.199 if you're lucky, you may get laid all right by me, 1882 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:22.680 because what this is wonderful, this is excellent. I give 1883 01:30:22.760 --> 01:30:25.840 myself to you because of this, this is art. 1884 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.159 And before you start feeling too secure at Jaqueline, remember 1885 01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:30.119 he said the same thing to Bruce after reading the 1886 01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:31.159 first two paragraphs too. 1887 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:33.920 But I'll tell you, I'll tell you what. You're out 1888 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:37.520 of the woods yet, all right. I'm willing to give 1889 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.359 myself to you based on this first line, and you'd 1890 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.960 be lucky to have me. But if it's evening els 1891 01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:49.640 that I take umbrage with in this article, I won't 1892 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:54.039 be giving you myself. I'll be taking yourself right, all 1893 01:30:54.119 --> 01:31:00.439 right hard. Her sermons are filled with words quote athletic 1894 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:04.640 ability unquote, beautiful, beautiful, absolutely beautiful, fun of ours, saying 1895 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:08.760 that these guys are athletes go quote flair unquote, quote 1896 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:15.920 flamboyans unquote, quote acting talent unquote, quote, towering specimens unquote 1897 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:19.000 end quote, brute strength, so, Carmen Reid told. 1898 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:21.960 This journalist the part of the reason I think wrestling 1899 01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:25.600 is a legitimate sport is quote towering specimens end quote. 1900 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.640 Carmen Reid, also known as Vince McMahon. 1901 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:37.840 My name is Carmen Reid. I I like to talk 1902 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:42.399 about big time wrestling, and Wow, I'm so glad you 1903 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.000 came up to me, ma'am, I'm here to write about it. 1904 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:49.079 Isn't that funny? Indeed, you like my long, beautiful, luscious 1905 01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:50.079 locks of hair. 1906 01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:52.880 How about my brute strength or my flamboyants? 1907 01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:59.199 Are you a fan of traps or deltoids? Are you 1908 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:02.800 a delt fan? Because I believe in towering specimens of 1909 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:12.520 feminism and femininity? What as that is what I am? 1910 01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:19.359 I am not, as he says, as that is what 1911 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:24.399 I am. I am not a male specimen. That's what 1912 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:29.159 you were thinking. I am certainly all female of type. 1913 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.520 It's different times of entertainment rolled into one. What more 1914 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:38.279 could you want? She asked? She says, it's different types 1915 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:41.159 of entertainment rolled into one. Well, it's different times of 1916 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:43.600 entertainment rolled into one. I mean, what more could you want? 1917 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.960 I mean, that's that's gotta. 1918 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:50.279 Be him seriously discussing wrestling with her family is like 1919 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:54.359 preaching to the choir. The Reed family, Carmen and husband Craig, 1920 01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:59.760 son Stephen, daughter Tamarra are all professional fans, wrestling fans 1921 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:03.760 big time. The Reids watch wrestling on television, see live 1922 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.560 matches whenever possible, and will be upfront when the ground shakes. 1923 01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:11.039 January twenty first from thirty stars stepping into the ring 1924 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:15.920 at once during the Worldless Entertainment's royal rumble. Ah, you 1925 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:17.960 know I haven't watched. I haven't followed wrestling all my life, 1926 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:18.279 of course. 1927 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:18.520 You know. 1928 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.199 Oh wait, I haven't followed wrestling all my life for nothing, 1929 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:24.079 Carmen Reid laughed. Of course we'll be there. 1930 01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:26.760 I'm starting to question of Carmen Reid exists, by the way. 1931 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.960 Exactly damn right. All the high priests of the sport 1932 01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:33.960 will be there too, in colorful costumes with names like 1933 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:39.920 Diesel Brett, Hitman, heart the Undertaker, Razor Ramone, gold Dust, 1934 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:42.119 heart Break Kids. 1935 01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.880 The same paper that just read an article exclusively about 1936 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:47.600 Sean Michael as the big deal of the show, which 1937 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.000 she refers to him like seven of his ten Heartbreak 1938 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:56.520 Kid Fodder and Bam Bam Bigelow, who's not on this 1939 01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:57.039 show at all? 1940 01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:57.560 Not at all? 1941 01:33:57.640 --> 01:33:57.680 No. 1942 01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:00.239 Oh, is that Heartbreak Kid coming to the real now? 1943 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:03.039 Is here the Royal Rumble two? That's him? Yeah, that's 1944 01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:09.039 Heartbreak Kid, not even the heartbreaking Heartbreak Kid? 1945 01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:09.279 Oh? 1946 01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:11.079 Was he friends with the one two three kid? 1947 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:13.319 Are they a tag team of sort? 1948 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:14.079 Do they do? 1949 01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:14.279 They? 1950 01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:14.640 Do? 1951 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:18.159 They play together? They play on the do they play 1952 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:18.880 on the same team? 1953 01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:22.960 That's exactly right. Gone are the mild days of Ray 1954 01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:29.520 Stevens calling Pepper Gomez a pencil neck? Okay. Today's more 1955 01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:33.520 savvy wrestlers project images that appeal to various segments of society. 1956 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:37.600 Stars for Country, Western, gay, African American, I don't know 1957 01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:41.359 if they're really appealing to the gay out of the 1958 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:46.399 gold dust? Is there a hero? Yeah? No, African American, Latino, 1959 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:51.279 British Arian who's arian? Oh, that's a weird one, American 1960 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:56.760 Indian not anymore, he's gone. And patriotic fans who I think, 1961 01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:00.000 by just by name alone, would hate all the previous 1962 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:00.960 is mentioned. 1963 01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:06.840 With the exception of people, just like with the exception 1964 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.680 of gay. Oh yeah, every single one of these types 1965 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:14.800 she's listing were represented in pro wrestling every decade going 1966 01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.399 back to the fifties forties. 1967 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:22.159 Exactly exactly, I mean some don't necessarily by people of 1968 01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:25.800 the exact community, namely American, Indian American. 1969 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:27.479 Just next sentence, did this woman watch a tape of 1970 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.039 nineteen ninety two and assume it's the current state of affairs? 1971 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:33.439 I mean ninety two, for forget it. This is this 1972 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:37.560 is like eighty nine. Here among them is an Elvis impersonator. 1973 01:35:37.960 --> 01:35:41.039 He's been god, he's he hasn't been around since ninety 1974 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:46.119 ninety one. A business suited tax collector, well, there we go, 1975 01:35:46.760 --> 01:35:54.319 a sadistic dentist, and the macabre undertaker in case you yes, 1976 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:58.439 because she's describing the the occupation, not the person. 1977 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.199 A sadistics and a macabb undertaker also known as the 1978 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:03.520 Brothers of Destruction. 1979 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:08.760 Right, some call them. 1980 01:36:09.960 --> 01:36:13.399 There we go. Get that in there. This is just bravo. 1981 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.039 Let me tell you, let me tell you. Come up 1982 01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:19.319 with just one. You are a beauty. You are beauty. 1983 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:20.760 Because I was starting to get a little nervous there 1984 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:23.479 the way you knew who Ray Stevens was, I thought 1985 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:25.199 that was a little saucer, But then you really brought 1986 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:25.479 it home. 1987 01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:27.119 I was a little I was a little worried there 1988 01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:27.600 and won't lie. 1989 01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:27.800 You know. 1990 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:29.359 You know what, Ray Stevens, But you know what, I 1991 01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:33.640 know what you did beautiful. Let me tell you you 1992 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:36.800 are a woman after my own. Read the sentence. 1993 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:40.760 Some call them actors on steroids. 1994 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:46.680 Yeah. Others considered them chippendale dancers with attitudes. 1995 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:47.479 Or two dudes of attitudes. 1996 01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:51.960 That's true too, But some things remain constant. There's always 1997 01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:56.239 a good guy versus a bad guy. Wrestling is action 1998 01:36:56.600 --> 01:37:00.840 and good, clean American fun. Craig Reed said, I don't 1999 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:05.159 necessarily like the roles. His wife's said, I just like 2000 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:07.720 something to get out there, to flex their muscles, slam 2001 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.640 bodies and wrestle. People want the action, that's what they 2002 01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:13.479 pay for, and colorful characters. 2003 01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:20.079 About Leberts the other day, that first sentence there can 2004 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:23.680 also be said of Lambert's bunch, I. 2005 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:29.960 Don't necessarily like the roles unless your image of a 2006 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.079 wrestling fan might be someone who spends his day drinking 2007 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:36.359 beer and fiddling with his pickup, then heads to his 2008 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.960 pickup supposed to be euphemism for his dick, Jackie. This 2009 01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:42.479 is beautiful. This is just that's exactly it. This is it, 2010 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:44.800 you know what you what you were saying is that 2011 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:47.119 they're not just these these fucking imbeciles who are just 2012 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:49.640 who are day drinkers and and and have nothing to 2013 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:52.960 do but touch the truck. You're talking about their people, 2014 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:57.560 who are normal looking people who are being being exploited. 2015 01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:01.079 Right right, right, They take an advantage of we're not 2016 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:03.840 making fun of these people were acknowledging that they're being 2017 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:07.319 manipulated into partying with their money for this pretend fighting like. 2018 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:09.920 They literally just they might as well burn it. These 2019 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.960 people need everything, These people need every dollar. These are 2020 01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:16.439 people who are working, you know, paycheck to paycheck, hand 2021 01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:18.960 the mouth, and these guys come to now giving them money. 2022 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:22.439 You know, this is not like going to the movies 2023 01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:25.560 for escapism. This is an attempt to bullshit people. 2024 01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:27.560 Jacquly, you have to understand most of these people think 2025 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:29.920 it's a real sport. They think it's real what they're buying. 2026 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:31.600 How is that not consumer fraud? 2027 01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:35.359 I mean, exactly, how is this? How is this legal? 2028 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:37.119 Is my question? 2029 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:39.439 After you got done talking to this Carmen Reid, did 2030 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:41.439 you not feel like she was being ripped off, that 2031 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:44.279 she was being manipulated into buying something that wasn't what 2032 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:44.960 it appeared to be. 2033 01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:49.000 Actually, I kind of felt that she worked for the company. Yeah, well, 2034 01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:53.039 there it is, right second, that's it. That's it. That's it, 2035 01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.000 and then it heads to a match to enjoy of 2036 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:03.279 vicarious violence. Consider this. Craig Reid has a master's degree 2037 01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:06.199 from Columbia University in New York and works as an 2038 01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:09.680 activities director at Fresno City College. He shouldn't be a 2039 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:14.039 wrestling fan, exactly. Next, Carmen Reid has a teaching credential 2040 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:18.239 from Oberlin College in Ohio and teaches pre employment preparation 2041 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:20.000 at Fresno's Roosevelt High School. 2042 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.119 For all the words, she shouldn't be a wrestling fan. 2043 01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:25.960 Stephen Reid, a seventh grader at Kastner Intermediate School, plays 2044 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:29.039 trumpet in a jazz band, was on the championship Fresno 2045 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:32.640 volleyball team, and is interested in military history. 2046 01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:34.640 In other words, he shouldn't be a wrestling fan. 2047 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:39.000 Sister Tamra, a fourth grader at Lincoln Elementary School, sings. 2048 01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:43.960 She performed in Roger Roka's Fiddler on the Roof. Okay, 2049 01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:48.199 I don't know who Roger Raka is. She could exactly, 2050 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:52.000 I mean, okay, dance's ballet before she broke her foot, 2051 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:57.479 a legitimate injury, not a worked one, takes gymnastics. 2052 01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:58.840 And so other words, a woman who should not be 2053 01:39:58.920 --> 01:39:59.640 a wrestling fan. 2054 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.800 They have another daughter, Tasha at twenty two, who works 2055 01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.279 and attends California State University, Fresno. 2056 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.039 The words, a woman who should not be the daughter 2057 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:07.960 of wrestling fans. 2058 01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:12.239 You'd be surprised how many people following wrestling. Carmen Reid said, 2059 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:18.000 there's a lot of closet fans. Judge not Craig. Craig 2060 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:20.560 Reid explained how his family enjoyed seeing a play on 2061 01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:25.920 Broadway and watching live wrestling matches in Fresno. We like, 2062 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:29.039 you know, you know, we like being around all kinds 2063 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:33.279 of people. Dude, there's Craig Craig working for WCW. By 2064 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:37.439 the way, Craig, Yeah, just because a person who drives 2065 01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:39.319 a truggle or bulls for a living doesn't mean they 2066 01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:42.439 aren't as smart. You know, that's as bad as judging 2067 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:43.239 people by race. 2068 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:47.680 Brother, Just because a person drives a truck. That's so 2069 01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:51.199 funny because now like all these rich guys drive trucks 2070 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.039 exactly doesn't mean anything to drive a truck anymore. 2071 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:58.039 I know it does not. Carmen reads that her family 2072 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:00.359 has lots of interests. You know, we enjoy a variety 2073 01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:02.880 of sports. We quote concerts, jazz, R and B, We 2074 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:06.159 go to plays, to the circus, and professional basketball. You know, 2075 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:10.159 why not professional wrestling too? You know, who the heck 2076 01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:12.479 are we to act like we're too good to associate 2077 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:14.760 with wrestling fans or that were better than anyone else. 2078 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.439 Her husband said, you know, we're all equal under God, dude. 2079 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:21.920 A quote in an article about why people like professional wrestling. 2080 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:24.439 It reads, and I follow, and I quote, We're all 2081 01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:25.359 equal under God. 2082 01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:33.079 Wrestlers at times see more seem more than equal. They 2083 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.760 are tossed out of a ring with naria scratch body, 2084 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.359 slammed with a hardly a bruise, beautiful freed boom. 2085 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:40.920 Jacqueline, please read that. Read that line back to me. 2086 01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:45.760 Read it again. Wrestlers at times seem more than equal. 2087 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:48.359 They are tossed out of a ring with nary a scratch, 2088 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.760 body slam with hardly a bruise. Does that bother? The 2089 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:54.760 reads not at all? See this is what the problem is. 2090 01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:55.239 We believe this. 2091 01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:57.079 We need to hold these people accountable and I'm glad 2092 01:41:57.159 --> 01:41:57.840 you put it this way. 2093 01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:01.920 Were and they're actually fighting tot to toe blow to blow. 2094 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:06.279 It's great. Carmen Read said, it's like seeing Mike Tyson 2095 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:06.640 and the ring. 2096 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:08.920 This woman thinks there's points where they're actually fighting. 2097 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:11.159 Did you did you see that quote? You see? You see? 2098 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:15.119 This is what you know. These are intelligent people and 2099 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:18.920 they are being brainwashed, right, That's that's that's the problem. 2100 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:23.760 They are being brainwashed on tele by watching television into 2101 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:27.560 into this just just separating themselves from their hardned money 2102 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:33.000 to to to support a bunch of a bunch of phonies, 2103 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:34.800 a bunch of connoris. 2104 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.760 It's just pro wrestling. What's the big deal of there? 2105 01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:40.560 But where does it stop, Jauline? Where does it stop? 2106 01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.720 If you can convince them what this is, what's spending 2107 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:44.920 money on, and that it's real enough to spend money 2108 01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:46.239 on what you. 2109 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:48.640 Know, why shouldn't I can? Why couldn't Why shouldn't I 2110 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:51.119 convince them to just spend money on me for sitting 2111 01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:51.520 on my couch? 2112 01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:55.439 Hold educated people falling for this. You would think at 2113 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:57.439 the very least they would be insulated from it. 2114 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:03.640 But they love it. M h staged not phony. 2115 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.039 That's a subhead if I've ever seen one. 2116 01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:08.840 The reads admit that most fans know the action is staged. 2117 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:09.239 Admit it. 2118 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:11.760 Put the word admitting there. 2119 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:14.439 He's right, you put me sure, say admitted, you know, 2120 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.880 make sure that they know they like they came clean 2121 01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:21.079 about it, right, not phony, staged. But when they fly 2122 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:23.960 through the air, they really fly. When they land on 2123 01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:26.800 their back outside the ring on concrete, they really hit. 2124 01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:29.840 And when they're flying off the top of rope, that's technique. 2125 01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:32.880 As fake as it may be, you have to give 2126 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.319 those guys credit. The fake blood and stuff makes it 2127 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:39.600 seem real. This is just a fucking nightmare. Welcome to 2128 01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:42.600 Welcome to Fresno. WWF. Yeah, you don't have to put 2129 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.479 up with this anymore. It's the same as a cowboy movie. 2130 01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:47.680 John Wayne was great, but did he really connect? 2131 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:47.960 No. 2132 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:50.359 I mean they had the ability to make it appear real, 2133 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:54.520 but it was faked too. Besides, when ringing that when 2134 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:56.079 announcer Brother Love. 2135 01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:59.600 Was he there, I don't think so. 2136 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:00.399 Yeah. 2137 01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:01.920 I mean he worked for the company, but I don't 2138 01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:03.920 think in the Brother Love. He was on Boy Meets 2139 01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:05.279 World his Brother Love in ninety six. 2140 01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:08.000 I know that, I know he even made a comeback 2141 01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:10.279 at some point a little for a little bit, but 2142 01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:11.319 I don't remember it being. 2143 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.279 Dude, she just decided honky tuk me in an irs. 2144 01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:21.000 No, that's so true, uh, stars proselytizing, proselytize, costlytizing. The 2145 01:44:21.079 --> 01:44:25.600 crowd is filled with true believers. You know, when I'm there, 2146 01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:27.279 I never feel like I say anything less than real. 2147 01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:29.600 I watch it like it's real, and just like I 2148 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:32.680 watched a Nero movie, like it's real. And even though 2149 01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:34.680 they're acting, your theatrics is up for a call it. 2150 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:38.760 You know, there's tremendous athletic ability. You know, you don't 2151 01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:41.079 often see a four hundred pound god do in somersaults 2152 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:41.600 and flip through the. 2153 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:43.119 Air, right, you don't you know, also don't see that 2154 01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:48.079 in WWF. Interestingly damn right? Can you restate that? But 2155 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.439 started with even though they're acting, please thank you. 2156 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:55.520 Even though they're acting, or theatrics as I prefer to 2157 01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:59.880 call it, there's tremendous athletic ability. You don't often see 2158 01:44:59.920 --> 01:45:03.199 a four hundred pound guy doing somersaults and flipping through 2159 01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:07.520 the air. And they don't have pads on like football players, 2160 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:10.600 so you see the brutal strength of these guys and 2161 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:16.319 their awesome thighs. Yeah, his wife said, smiling. 2162 01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:20.359 This is a great This is such a meaningful part 2163 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:22.640 of the article. Subhead two paragraphs and. 2164 01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:29.000 Read them family values. Hulk Hogan has even gotten the 2165 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:31.800 read children to take their vitamins because the whole family 2166 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.479 enjoys it. I've been bussed with a family who likes 2167 01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:36.479 sports and music. I can do all things on joy. 2168 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:38.319 It's all my family with me. Brother. 2169 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:44.399 What was that article about? They found one family that 2170 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:49.119 likes wrestling and just acted like they represent anything but 2171 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:49.880 their own family. 2172 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:51.439 You know what was that? 2173 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:56.520 That's an article, that's that's an agenda driven article. Oh absolutely, 2174 01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:58.399 that was a sign like you come back with this? 2175 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:05.000 That was that was spectacular. I mean, oh, can you 2176 01:46:05.079 --> 01:46:10.479 imagine getting this kind of publicity? The reads that wasn't 2177 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.600 quite Bruce, that wasn't quite enough. And I think you 2178 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:17.279 saw the way Jacqueline turned that thing around. I need 2179 01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:19.239 you to prove yourself to me, buddy, if you're gonna 2180 01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:21.479 stay on payroll, I need you to go and tell 2181 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:23.760 me why these You can't write an article about this 2182 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:26.560 as if Bruce, one of the guys is legitimly going 2183 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:28.319 for a title. You have to write about it from 2184 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:30.720 the exclusively from the lens of why do people go 2185 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:31.000 to this? 2186 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:37.279 Bruce? You know you see this. This is a dumb 2187 01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:43.560 dumb This is a bullet that explodes, right, so when 2188 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:46.640 I put it through your head, it's gonna explode on 2189 01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:52.680 the other side. That's what's next if you don't make 2190 01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:53.359 up for what you did. 2191 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.520 So before you leave this office, I want you to 2192 01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:58.880 tell me what's the headline gonna read with what you 2193 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:00.600 come back from the next time, my son, you to 2194 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:04.039 cover this upcoming WWF show. What's the headline going to 2195 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:04.479 be read? 2196 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:04.560 It? 2197 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:09.000 Poss wrestling fans go for the show. 2198 01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:13.920 Now go go get me wrestling fans go for the show. 2199 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:16.119 All right, yeah, all right, that's not bad. It's not bad. 2200 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:19.079 It's like a little subtle, you know, it's not totally 2201 01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:23.920 out there. But I'm supported. I support it. When Fresno 2202 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:26.680 promoter Al Geller was told to offer two hundred ring 2203 01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:29.560 side chairs for one hundred and fifty dollars each, you 2204 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.520 see that's the problem right there, right the selling chairs, 2205 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:34.359 I mean, come on, selling fucking chicks. 2206 01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:37.159 And didn't tell me that I'm overreacting. When then Nicol 2207 01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:39.279 and diamond people on a metal folding chair that you 2208 01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:41.039 can get for four dollars from home depot. 2209 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:43.680 Jesus fucking Christ, Well, then you I can get him 2210 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:48.760 from the fucking basement. Idiots. Uh for Sunday's World Wresting 2211 01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:51.720 Entertainment Royal Rumble at selling arena. He had serious doubts 2212 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:55.720 they would sell shows how much. I know Geller said, 2213 01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:57.920 we only had three left a week ago, and now 2214 01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:00.520 they're gone. I don't think our mark was ready for 2215 01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:02.560 one hundred and fifty dollars a pot. But the purchases 2216 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:05.000 get to keep. The purchasers get to keep the chairs 2217 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:09.079 of momento. Who wants a fucking chair from a goddamn 2218 01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:14.119 sporting event. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that ship from 2219 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:17.119 a legitimate you know, you get get like the you know, 2220 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.079 some some football stadium that's been you know, they get 2221 01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:24.479 the you know what the they take down the for 2222 01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:26.520 the the Green Bay Packers or whatever. You know, people 2223 01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:26.800 want that. 2224 01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:27.319 Can do it. 2225 01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:29.960 But can you imagine telling somebody that comes to visit, hey, 2226 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:31.560 do you know if this was the chair that was 2227 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:33.880 on the floor when hulkgan what the title? 2228 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.359 Get me up? What's gonna happen is what's gonna happen 2229 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:38.039 is see this is this is where it comes This 2230 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:40.399 is where the issue comes in because what they they 2231 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:42.760 get there and there, and they're brainwashing and thinking they 2232 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:45.920 want this that Not only are they gonna pay money 2233 01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:49.479 to see these fucking idiots, these these phony you know, 2234 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:53.760 no talent ass clowns jump around in a ring like 2235 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:57.920 ballet dancers, untalented ballet dancers, not the the anything of ballet. 2236 01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:01.960 Ballet is legitimate. This is illegitis. When they say this 2237 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:05.359 ain't ballet, You're damn right, it isn't. You're damn rice. 2238 01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:10.520 Not ballet, not even close. Ballet is respected, right, So 2239 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.800 not only the fucking pain are they getting these people 2240 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:16.720 to pay for this, this this this fakery, but then 2241 01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:19.279 they're charging for the chairs of charging for chairs. I mean, 2242 01:49:19.279 --> 01:49:22.479 come on, and noways look at this. You tell me this, 2243 01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:24.680 all right, you get a chair from one of these 2244 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.239 fucking shows, Are you gonna put it out for people 2245 01:49:27.239 --> 01:49:28.840 to see You're gonna do with it? No, you're not. 2246 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:32.000 They're gonna be thinking they want it, They think they 2247 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:33.640 want it, but they're not gonna put that out for 2248 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.119 people to say when they get home they're holy shit, 2249 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:41.159 Holy shit, I was robbed. I was robbed of my 2250 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:44.800 money in exchange for this fucking horseship. They're gonna buy 2251 01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:46.720 the chair and they're gonna go home, and they're gonna 2252 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:49.039 hide it. And I want you to tell me why 2253 01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:51.960 are they gonna hide it? Why are they gonna hide it? 2254 01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:59.880 Because it's fake? Okay, you can't say that about the 2255 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:04.279 super Bowl, just asked Jerry Yep of Kerman, a longtime 2256 01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:06.720 wrestling fan, who will sit next to his brother Gary 2257 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:13.119 of Livermore these fucking nights. I present you, Jerry Yep 2258 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:18.159 of Common Yeah, and Gallery of Livermore and Bruce of 2259 01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:22.920 the Palisades in one of those chairs Sunday afternoon. 2260 01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:26.479 I going to big sporting events? 2261 01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:27.159 What makes it? 2262 01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:28.119 Thinkey? Sounds like that. 2263 01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:33.439 I like to go to big sports events. I'll be 2264 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:35.800 you going to the super Bowl next week. But I'm 2265 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.680 just as excited about this. Jerry Yes, a recent transplant 2266 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:44.640 from Cohag Rhode Island, said being on television and getting 2267 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:46.039 to keep the chairs a momento. 2268 01:50:46.119 --> 01:50:46.399 Why not? 2269 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:47.880 Why not? 2270 01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:53.119 Yep says his super Bowl ticket cost three d and 2271 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:58.079 fifty dollars. Both tickets were gifts. I've been a final 2272 01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:01.640 fours in basketball many of the biggest arenas in the country, 2273 01:51:02.119 --> 01:51:05.119 but I never heard the sustained noise level experience at 2274 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:07.840 the Los Angeles Sports Arena in the late nineteen eighties. 2275 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:13.159 Hulk Hogan, Rowdy Piper, Rowdy Piper. By the way, okay, 2276 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:16.640 Rowdy Piper, We're going for the world title. Noise was 2277 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:21.960 unreal awesome. Gary Yep says he knows all about the 2278 01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:24.399 thirty wrestlers who will be in Fresno for the Rumble. 2279 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:30.199 You see, they're the same players who developed favorites. I 2280 01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.840 grew up watching people like Pepper Gomez and Andre the Giant. 2281 01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:38.600 I like the action, you know, some people like to 2282 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:41.640 watch the dukes of hazard. I like wrestling. 2283 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:47.439 You ready for the ninety six Rumble now, Bruce, Bruce, 2284 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:50.039 that was a little better. I like some of the 2285 01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:51.840 shots you got in there, but I still felt a 2286 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:54.920 little bit of warmth in there for wrestling. And so 2287 01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:57.119 I'm gonna send you on another assignment, but this one 2288 01:51:57.159 --> 01:52:01.119 I'm teaming you up with Lanny Larson, and I want you, guys. 2289 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:03.760 I want you guys to really tell me it's my name. 2290 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:07.920 I'll tell you my last name is not it's Larsen. 2291 01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:10.479 I'm gonna give you the number of this guy Meltzer. 2292 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:12.920 This guy Meltzer claims it's all like a real business. 2293 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.079 I want you to call him. I want you to 2294 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:15.920 put him in the article. 2295 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:19.640 Go right, get get this Meltz factor in there, right whatever. 2296 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:20.119 His name is. 2297 01:52:21.079 --> 01:52:24.239 Sunday's World Wrestling Entertainment Royal Rumble at Sealandna is a 2298 01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:31.960 multi medium It's a what now, It's a multi media 2299 01:52:32.119 --> 01:52:38.880 marketing assault that enriches ww's parent Titan Sports while pumping 2300 01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:41.439 thousands of dollars through the Valley economy. 2301 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:43.760 Bruce, come here, please come here. I want introduce you 2302 01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:46.800 to Jay Andernaco. He's our director of media relations. Before 2303 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:48.680 you talk to Jay, I just want to let me 2304 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:51.279 know that there's a way for this thing we do. 2305 01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:54.720 I want to tell you this is not a wrestling event, 2306 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:59.319 wrestling a wrestling show. What this is, in all honesty 2307 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:06.359 and understanding, this is a multi media marketing assault. You 2308 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:09.479 put that in there without quotes, and I mean that 2309 01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:11.520 that is. This is an assault. This is a legitimate 2310 01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:15.760 sort of of of of marketing endeavor. And we are 2311 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:18.199 you know, we're all about endeavors right here in the 2312 01:53:18.359 --> 01:53:22.800 w W and I do appreciate you, you know, attending 2313 01:53:23.039 --> 01:53:27.920 are the Royal Rumble the w's first, uh multi media 2314 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:40.359 marketing assault of the year. Now the multimedia marketing is 2315 01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:42.399 Critics call the Royal Rumble. 2316 01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:47.640 A multi media marketing assault, the. 2317 01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:53.439 Multi media marketing assault of the year. And then you know, 2318 01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:56.560 in you know, we're coming back to California and in 2319 01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.520 UH in March for WrestleMania and that's also going to 2320 01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:02.399 be a a multi media marketing assault, not a multi 2321 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:08.000 level marketing scheme, a multi a multi level multimedia marketing 2322 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:13.520 endeavor with with a premise that we we have so 2323 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:16.159 much action that it assaults our viewers and our our 2324 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:23.119 fans and you know, our people, we have. 2325 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:30.119 So much action that it assaults our fans, insults our fans. 2326 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:31.640 That's right, that's right. 2327 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:38.680 It only not only goes out on TV, said j 2328 01:54:40.039 --> 01:54:43.079 Andrew Nako, w's manager of media relations. 2329 01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:44.760 It happens on AOL. 2330 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:49.119 It's America Online if you didn't know, Jay, it happens 2331 01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:51.439 in the w W magazine. They have a we have 2332 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:54.239 a magazine, all right, We're about to call with another 2333 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:57.319 one as well. And then it happens in the merchandise 2334 01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:00.600 based on who's hot. You know, there's not one part 2335 01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:03.479 of that we leave out, and for Fresno to be 2336 01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.680 the side is an equally big deal, said al Geller 2337 01:55:07.239 --> 01:55:10.680 in his thirty third year as a Fresno event promoter. 2338 01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:14.960 Oh it's pretty damn exciting for Fresno to be going 2339 01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:16.079 around the world like this. 2340 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:19.840 You didn't sound like that last article when he was 2341 01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:24.680 selling the chairs. Same fucking guy, show us how much 2342 01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:24.960 I know. 2343 01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:31.279 Actually, it's not going around the world, just to the 2344 01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:34.159 United States and Canada. That's a beautiful thing he did there. 2345 01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:38.000 Beautiful called him out in their Lives, where about four 2346 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:40.920 hundred thousand households are expected to hook up for twenty 2347 01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:43.800 nine to ninety five apiece to the three forty five 2348 01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:47.079 PM show. An estimated twelve million dollars in pay per 2349 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:50.800 view revenue will be split among Titan and local cable systems. 2350 01:55:51.359 --> 01:55:53.680 The money in pro wrestling is not as abundant as 2351 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:56.439 it was in the nineteen eighties, when WrestleMania drew crowds 2352 01:55:56.479 --> 01:56:00.520 of almost one hundred thousand. Dave Meltzer, who who says 2353 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:05.600 his quote Wrestling Observer unquote newsletter, has subscribers in twenty 2354 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:09.199 three countries admits that interest peaked between nineteen eighty six 2355 01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:10.279 and nineteen eighty nine. 2356 01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:11.359 Let's get that word in there. 2357 01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:14.119 Admits it's a good word you use. Admits I appreciate 2358 01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:17.920 that quote. Normal wrestling shows are no longer sellouts in 2359 01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:20.239 the country. In this country, Melter said, they used to 2360 01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:23.319 have the Rumble in places like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, 2361 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:27.640 but now the competition. When when was it in Chicago 2362 01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:28.279 the Rumble? 2363 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:30.720 Yeah, where was it in eighty nine? 2364 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.039 I don't remember. I don't know. I don't think it 2365 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:36.199 ever was in Chicago before this. I don't think it 2366 01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:39.720 was either. And not only that, we weren't talking about Florida. 2367 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:40.680 It was in Florida twice. 2368 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:44.520 Yeah, that was in Lakewood, Florida. The nine to one, 2369 01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:49.720 I don't know, No Houston, pardon me aid nine rubble 2370 01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:50.239 was in Houston. 2371 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:55.800 Ninety was in Orlando, ninety one was in Miami, two 2372 01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.319 in New York. She was in New York. Ninety three 2373 01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:03.960 was in California, sax Sacremento, ninety fours in Rhode Island. 2374 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:08.000 Ninety five was in Florida again, And where was eighty eight? 2375 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:09.600 Eightiot was in Hamilton, Ontario. 2376 01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:15.560 Yeah, so not no Chicago, and not even Philadelphia for 2377 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:20.960 that matter. Nope, at that point, but now the competition 2378 01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:24.000 for the entertainment dollar has forced them to smaller markets. 2379 01:57:24.680 --> 01:57:28.920 Meltzer says wrestling is extremely popular in Japan, where it's 2380 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.800 a sellout in the sixty four thousand seats Tokyo Dome. 2381 01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:35.239 In the United States, Meltzer says, quote, people are attracted 2382 01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:39.079 more by names than performances, and cites Hulk Hogan as 2383 01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:42.279 an example. Quote, Hogan made a name in ninet eighty four. 2384 01:57:42.319 --> 01:57:47.520 Meltzer says, Now he's terrible, really washed up Brotherwood. He 2385 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:50.560 said that, but his name is so strong he can 2386 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:54.399 still withdraw a big crowd. Totally really washed up, he 2387 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:55.760 fucking and. 2388 01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:58.279 He cannot have another how many years in the business, 2389 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:00.319 and it can also draw crowd like that in the 2390 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:02.720 Dokio dumb that's right, as he did right. 2391 01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:06.399 Meltzer says, the best American wrestler is Brett Hart, but 2392 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:10.359 the best showman in top box office draw is charismatic 2393 01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:14.000 Sean Michaels. Hart is the champion now, but Sean is 2394 01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:17.720 a phenomenal performer. Meltzer says he only weighs about two 2395 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:19.960 hundred and fifteen pounds, but he flies all over the place. 2396 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:22.479 He can put on a show all by himself, regardless 2397 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:25.560 of who the opponent is. Meltzer says, Michaels was beaten 2398 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.960 in New York by thugs in November and that's bullshit. 2399 01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:31.079 It's bullshit. But his collapse in the ring a few 2400 01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:36.439 weeks later was quote absolutely fake. I want you to 2401 01:58:36.520 --> 01:58:38.960 call this guy and Bruce, I want you to make 2402 01:58:39.039 --> 01:58:42.319 up for your error. You quoted him directly a couple 2403 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.800 of weeks ago as saying this was legitimate. Ask this 2404 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.359 guy if it was Bruce, Bruce, I want to tell 2405 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:50.399 you this. I want to tell you the truth. Reading 2406 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:52.880 that's reading that fucking quote right there. Give me a 2407 01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:56.319 fucking heart on all right. I'm fully a wreck right now. 2408 01:58:56.520 --> 01:58:58.039 Call him and ask him if it was real. This 2409 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:01.119 guy is the biggest wrestling journalist of the world. And 2410 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:03.159 if you want to call it that and you publish 2411 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.079 what he says about whether his his that collapse was 2412 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:08.039 real that you presented to our readership is. 2413 01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:15.119 Real, it's beautiful. A ruse, a sucking right, A ruse 2414 01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:18.800 to get people to switch stations from a World Championship 2415 01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:20.960 Wrestling match between Hogan and sting. 2416 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:23.119 Was it on? 2417 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:25.399 Why did I feel like it wasn't on Monday Night? 2418 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:28.920 Was it on Monday Night Raw? That match between Yeah, Yeah, 2419 01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:32.359 it was really Owen and Yeah. I always felt like 2420 01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:34.359 it was on. Maybe I had just heard about it 2421 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:38.680 on a Saturday. I didn't see it, but I always 2422 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:40.279 remember it happening on Saturday for some reason. 2423 01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:58.520 Wow, it's collapsed fan wrestling podcast. The wrestling podcast that 2424 01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:02.119 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 2425 02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:20.760 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco 2426 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:22.119 and JP Soro. 2427 02:00:22.760 --> 02:00:24.840 Meltzer makes no apology for the fact that a large 2428 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.920 majority of the matches are decided beforehand, a large majority 2429 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:30.000 of the matches. There are some that are not right, 2430 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:34.600 but says promoters, quote will throw you a curve every 2431 02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:38.399 so often. Quote. Sure, there's a lot of show a 2432 02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:40.720 lot of show business and pro wrestling, that's the name 2433 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:43.439 of the game, Meltzer said, But it is very entertaining. 2434 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:46.880 Some of the wrestlers themselves are very smart and super athletes. 2435 02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:53.600 And Andronico and Geller predict a sellout Sunday, ninety six 2436 02:00:53.800 --> 02:00:57.079 hundred seats going for twelve to twenty dollars a piece 2437 02:00:57.119 --> 02:01:00.640 plus two hundred at two hundred at one hundred and 2438 02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:03.439 fifty dollars each for could you imagine, I know, fucking 2439 02:01:04.600 --> 02:01:08.359 Jesus Christ twelve dollars seats for the Royal Rumble. 2440 02:01:08.960 --> 02:01:09.119 You know. 2441 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:11.880 They were talking about this on Observer Radio the other day, 2442 02:01:11.880 --> 02:01:13.760 and I thought it was a really interesting point, Like 2443 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.239 the reason tickets cost so much these days, and the 2444 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:19.560 reason that they're able to command these huge gates and 2445 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:22.880 fucking celebrate record gates all the time, it's because of 2446 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:28.039 stub Hub and resale value. Right right, these these promoters 2447 02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:30.279 are watching these tickets for a little while there be 2448 02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:33.479 resold for two x the amount they're pricing them at. Right, 2449 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:37.399 Fuck that we'll make that money. Will make that money. Yep, 2450 02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:39.800 It's that simple. I mean, it's not that these people 2451 02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:41.680 are getting greedy. It's that they I mean, they are 2452 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:44.079 being greedy in a way, but it's they're seeing that 2453 02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:46.319 they're seeing directly right in their face, how much people 2454 02:01:46.319 --> 02:01:49.359 are actually willing to pay for these tickets. And it's 2455 02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:50.920 never going to be the same. It's never going to 2456 02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:53.119 be like this where they think pricing is going to 2457 02:01:53.159 --> 02:01:55.520 get is going to fill the building it's because it's 2458 02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:57.199 not going to make enough of a difference. You would 2459 02:01:57.279 --> 02:02:00.199 rather sell one ticket at fifty bucks than three or 2460 02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:04.279 five five dollars tickets. It's because you know, you have 2461 02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:06.079 the data right there that tells you that this is 2462 02:02:06.119 --> 02:02:08.439 what people are willing to pay, and either you capture 2463 02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:12.960 it or somebody else does. Amazing, amazing that you go 2464 02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:17.560 to the word rumble for that amount. Amazing, sheep, sheep, sheep. 2465 02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:26.399 People are two hundred and fifty dollars each for commemorative 2466 02:02:26.439 --> 02:02:29.399 folding chairs imprinted with the Royal Rumble logo that can 2467 02:02:29.479 --> 02:02:31.279 be taken home. When was the first time they did that? 2468 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:34.680 You know, was it WrestleMania eleven? 2469 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:37.600 Jerry Briscoe just posted some pictures of things that he 2470 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:40.079 has in storage, and he had a ninety five Rumble chair, 2471 02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:41.880 which I was surprised to see. 2472 02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:44.439 You that far back. Yep, I remember, you know what 2473 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:49.600 I feel like, I because I remember a pay per 2474 02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:51.119 view where they made the big they made a big 2475 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:52.680 deal out of it, and I'm actually feeling like it 2476 02:02:52.760 --> 02:02:55.760 might have been SummerSlam ninety four when they started doing that. 2477 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:00.520 I could be wrong with the domin it's a logo 2478 02:03:00.600 --> 02:03:05.000 on it. Maybe yeah, I remember. I do remember them 2479 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:08.800 making I remember seeing the show where like I bought 2480 02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:10.119 the pay per view where they were making a big 2481 02:03:10.199 --> 02:03:11.760 deal where Todd, Pett and Gill was making a big 2482 02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:15.640 deal about the chairs and I wanted one. Oh yeah, 2483 02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:20.800 I really wanted one. I really. I was so bummed. 2484 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:24.399 I was, you know, for WrestleMania fourteen. I was like 2485 02:03:24.479 --> 02:03:27.720 a couple of rows away. Yeah, I was so bummed. 2486 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:30.279 Yeah, my mom told me like that they had this 2487 02:03:30.479 --> 02:03:33.279 chair package versus ridiculous, Like I wasn't going to pay 2488 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:36.199 that much and I had great seats, but they it 2489 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:38.079 was like, meaning double the cost, for get the chair. 2490 02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:42.279 I mean, honestly, it's the The seats that I had 2491 02:03:42.399 --> 02:03:46.119 for WrestleMania at fourteen were the second best seats ever had. Ye, 2492 02:03:46.479 --> 02:03:48.039 The seats we had for that raw are the best 2493 02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:50.800 seats I ever had. But we were in the tenth 2494 02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:55.680 row for Wrestlmingia fourteen, behind behind JR. Amazing and King. Yeah, 2495 02:03:55.760 --> 02:04:04.279 it was wild. It was wild. A nine hundred telephone 2496 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:07.600 number will allow fans to talk with wrestlers after the 2497 02:04:07.720 --> 02:04:12.600 four preliminary championship matches. For preliminary there's only three championship matches, 2498 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:16.640 but fine, and get other vital information about the WWE. 2499 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:20.600 But the newest link between the WE and fans is 2500 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:25.119 an America Online home page, Andronico said it's been a 2501 02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:30.039 hit since it started in September. Folks with computers, modems 2502 02:04:30.199 --> 02:04:34.600 and an America Online account have access to a half 2503 02:04:34.720 --> 02:04:40.880 hour pre rumble show, interviews with wrestlers, photos of the ring, action, quote, 2504 02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.520 behind the scenes gossip, a forty five minute post event 2505 02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:48.159 wrap up, and of course, access to ww merchandise. 2506 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:52.239 I don't remember this. I do not remember this component 2507 02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:56.840 of like live streaming. I don't think that's right. Chatroom opened, 2508 02:04:57.039 --> 02:05:00.279 Could they stream? I don't think so. I mean, when 2509 02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:02.319 w w'st are doing that, it was revolutionary and that 2510 02:05:02.439 --> 02:05:03.079 was on the internet. 2511 02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:06.520 That was not the reo. Wel yeah, I mean it 2512 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:09.479 would have to be the choppiest fucking video ever. Yeah. 2513 02:05:10.399 --> 02:05:12.159 I can see photos that you opened the chat room. 2514 02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:14.399 I remember that there's like an official chat room and stuff. 2515 02:05:15.079 --> 02:05:18.119 But I don't think they did post shows on exclusively 2516 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:20.600 for AO. Well, the pre show they're describing as the 2517 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:22.079 free for all, I don't know what that's about. 2518 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:26.239 I mean, yeah, forty five minute post event wrap up. 2519 02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:29.159 God imagine finding tape of that if it existed. 2520 02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:35.399 Oh god, that'd be spectacular. The live gate should total 2521 02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:40.800 around one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. Jesus, that's pathetic. 2522 02:05:40.920 --> 02:05:42.680 Pathetic, that's like god. 2523 02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:47.560 You know nothing. Split among Geller, the Fresno Convention Center, 2524 02:05:47.600 --> 02:05:51.439 which also gets parking in, food, concession revenue, and Titan. 2525 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:54.920 About one hundred and fifty hotel rooms have been reserved 2526 02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:58.000 for two nights for the wrestlers and staff. The Fresno 2527 02:05:58.079 --> 02:06:02.640 Convention and Visitors Bureau Estimates estimates visitors spend an average 2528 02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:07.560 of one hundred and forty one hundred and forty dollars 2529 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.880 and eight cents per day, which works out to about 2530 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:15.560 forty two thousand dollars for lodging, food, and incidentals. But 2531 02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:18.439 those dollars turn over several times in the local economy, 2532 02:06:18.479 --> 02:06:21.760 so the impact could run into the hundreds of thousands 2533 02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:27.720 of dollars. Why Fresno, And we feel Fresno brings a 2534 02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:30.720 lot of things to the table. And Ronico said, we 2535 02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:33.000 get a lot of support out there. We wanted to 2536 02:06:33.039 --> 02:06:35.039 bring something to that community. 2537 02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:43.199 Yeah, yes, So just a little bit more where that 2538 02:06:43.359 --> 02:06:46.199 came from. Oh boy, tickets at that price, boss, you 2539 02:06:46.239 --> 02:06:49.359 think they would move pretty quickly. Here on the January nineteenth, 2540 02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:53.119 nineteen ninety six edition of the Fresno b Quick Line, 2541 02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:56.520 here Sunday's World Wrestling Federation Royal Rumble is a sellout. 2542 02:06:57.399 --> 02:07:00.760 Promoter Al Galler announced Thursday tickets were old for all 2543 02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:05.279 nine thousand, eight hundred seats at selling. 2544 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:09.760 The lousy I mean not even ten thousand people. 2545 02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:12.279 Is it sell end or sell out? I mean I 2546 02:07:12.319 --> 02:07:23.720 don't even know. Truly amazing, So that more more scattered coverage. 2547 02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:29.079 This is just okay, I need to give you this 2548 02:07:29.199 --> 02:07:31.800 one poor coverage because you know, we entered the cinemat, 2549 02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:35.560 we go through local people respond to, oh, yes, a 2550 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:38.319 film set coming to their neighborhood. Yes, this is kind 2551 02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:41.319 of the wrestling version of that. This is an article 2552 02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:44.479 a letter to the editor from Frank Dame of Fresno 2553 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.600 in the Jeneral twenty first be he wants people to 2554 02:07:47.640 --> 02:07:49.239 know he doesn't appreciate all this coverage. 2555 02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:52.560 Yeah, the Beast. 2556 02:07:52.640 --> 02:07:56.000 Coverage of the NFL playoffs has been lousy. I mean 2557 02:07:56.039 --> 02:07:56.560 he has passed. 2558 02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:58.520 When the forty nine ers made it past the first 2559 02:07:58.600 --> 02:08:00.560 round up of the playoffs, the b was full coverage 2560 02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:03.520 from what was happening in preparation for the game. Something 2561 02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:06.640 every day. I have been in Fresno for eighteen years, 2562 02:08:07.079 --> 02:08:10.399 and one thing is obvious. There are forty nine Ers fans, 2563 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:13.399 and then there are football fans. It seems to be 2564 02:08:13.560 --> 02:08:15.239 is realized that once the forty nine Ers are out 2565 02:08:15.239 --> 02:08:17.800 of the playoffs, football season is over from most of Fresno. 2566 02:08:18.359 --> 02:08:20.800 And when I open my paper and Wednesday's sports page 2567 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:21.920 and plastered in front. 2568 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:22.920 Of me was the Royal Rumble. 2569 02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:25.920 I had to say, I'm mad as hell and I 2570 02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:29.680 won't take it anymore. He's going fucking uh uh, He's 2571 02:08:29.720 --> 02:08:31.680 going fucking network on this guy's ass there. 2572 02:08:33.039 --> 02:08:36.600 Fuck you Christ Frank Jay Dame, I'm. 2573 02:08:36.560 --> 02:08:40.000 Mad as hell. Oh my god, take let's fake shit 2574 02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:40.560 no more? 2575 02:08:42.520 --> 02:08:42.880 Fuck it. 2576 02:08:43.279 --> 02:08:53.479 Wow Wow, I'm front Dame. I challenge the system. Fuck wrestling. 2577 02:08:55.000 --> 02:08:59.159 I want legitimate sports in Fresno on my sports page. 2578 02:08:59.359 --> 02:09:00.640 On my sports page. 2579 02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:04.479 If they want to print about the WWE Royal Rumble, 2580 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:06.079 put it in the finner page. 2581 02:09:08.039 --> 02:09:13.239 If they want to print about that's so for it. Well, 2582 02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:16.119 the shows sold out. All the prematch type has been done, 2583 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:19.279 including quoting Sean Michaels and k fabe and the day 2584 02:09:19.319 --> 02:09:22.079 after you better believe, Hey, you know, Monday's papers is 2585 02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:26.199 always thin, man, you better believe there's coverage of what 2586 02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:29.880 went down in the Celling Arena. For Royal Roma ninety six, 2587 02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:33.399 we start with this piece from the intrepid Jim Steinberg, 2588 02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:40.359 WrestleMania Pound for pound, it's a slam. Above the rest 2589 02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:46.079 Royal Rumble becomes one big jungle. I like thought, WrestleMania 2590 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:49.279 is the first word that I was like, damn, that's 2591 02:09:49.319 --> 02:09:50.319 not a relative article. 2592 02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:53.960 And then'm like, oh wait. They filled celend Arena on 2593 02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:57.479 Sunday with beef and muscles, rounded by nearly by a 2594 02:09:57.600 --> 02:09:59.720 nearly full house of spectators who paid up to one 2595 02:09:59.760 --> 02:10:05.119 hundre fifty dollars apiece to see struggle, pain and triumph, 2596 02:10:06.880 --> 02:10:13.439 and not necessarily in that order. No struggle, pain and triumph. 2597 02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:18.159 That's a wrestling struggle, pain and triumph. No matter that 2598 02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:21.359 most people who were asked about the worlds Entertainment Royal 2599 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:23.199 Rumbles said the whole thing was fake. 2600 02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:24.039 There it is. 2601 02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:31.239 He gets it right in there. That's the way we do. 2602 02:10:32.600 --> 02:10:35.159 That's the way we fucking do. I knew I hired 2603 02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:38.279 this this, uh Jim Steinberg for a bit. 2604 02:10:38.439 --> 02:10:38.880 I love it. 2605 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:44.560 I fucking love it. So we're motion pictures. So were 2606 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:48.199 they not anymore? Apparently now motion bridges are real. It 2607 02:10:48.359 --> 02:10:54.720 was fun and exciting, they said, They said, Jannita semon 2608 02:10:54.760 --> 02:10:56.279 Diego sem Diego. 2609 02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:59.520 But what why is the editor calling me? The sports 2610 02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:02.880 editor home at four point thirty on a Sunday? This 2611 02:11:03.079 --> 02:11:04.439 needs to be in paragraph two? 2612 02:11:06.359 --> 02:11:09.399 What are you doing right now? Huh? You're gonna do 2613 02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:12.039 me a big favor right first in the morning. I 2614 02:11:12.079 --> 02:11:14.960 gotta get listen. I'll pay you. I'll pay you double 2615 02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:15.840 over time if I have to. 2616 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:20.359 Whatever you need, whatever you're writing about this WWF thing. 2617 02:11:21.039 --> 02:11:22.319 I need the second paragraph. 2618 02:11:22.359 --> 02:11:25.199 I don't even I don't even listen. Write it right now. 2619 02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:27.079 The show hasn't happening for another couple of hours. I 2620 02:11:27.159 --> 02:11:31.279 need you to write it now. It's fake. Yeah, it's 2621 02:11:31.399 --> 02:11:32.079 fucking fake. 2622 02:11:32.239 --> 02:11:34.560 And if I don't see the word fake in paragraph 2623 02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:39.199 two of tomorrow's coverage, it's your head, it's your ass. 2624 02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:42.800 Listen. If you don't fucking if you don't fucking put 2625 02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:45.880 then it's fake. In the second paragraph, at the very 2626 02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:50.000 latest second paragraph, your head's gonna be on a spike 2627 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:54.680 outside the front of the build Monday morning. All right, 2628 02:11:56.640 --> 02:12:01.039 don't fuck with me, coss is, what are you doing? 2629 02:12:01.319 --> 02:12:03.720 And within two minutes don't fuck with me? Guy hasn't 2630 02:12:03.720 --> 02:12:05.800 said a word yet. That's great. 2631 02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:08.039 Don't fuck with me to someone who hasn't said a word. 2632 02:12:10.399 --> 02:12:11.760 What are you doing? What are you doing? 2633 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:16.119 You've been sitting all day Sunday scheming, Jim. 2634 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:22.239 It's your boss's boss. He's just fucking threatened. His wife 2635 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:22.840 didn't even know it. 2636 02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:24.920 Yeah. 2637 02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:28.960 Yeah, it's like when George Bailey yells at the the 2638 02:12:29.079 --> 02:12:30.520 teacher and it's the husband on the phone. 2639 02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:31.359 Yeah, exactly. 2640 02:12:36.039 --> 02:12:41.439 Juanita Salmon Diego nineteen, a student at King's River Community College. 2641 02:12:41.159 --> 02:12:43.319 Who was named after Vincentior's second wife. 2642 02:12:44.359 --> 02:12:48.520 Right. And John Hastings twenty one, a waiter at Table 2643 02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:54.319 Mountain Brother Table Mountain. What's that, dude? Tail Mountain Brother 2644 02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:57.359 a mountain Mountain tables tables? What do you mean, dude? 2645 02:12:57.359 --> 02:12:57.840 Who's going through? 2646 02:12:58.039 --> 02:12:58.079 What? 2647 02:12:58.720 --> 02:13:01.359 Lets go through a table? Exactly? You don't even run 2648 02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:05.000 this by me. I'm sorry, who's finding a waiter? 2649 02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:06.119 Like? 2650 02:13:06.680 --> 02:13:09.800 What's going on here? Dude? No one told me about 2651 02:13:09.800 --> 02:13:13.279 a table mountains? Eric promised me. Dude, Eric, Yo, easy, 2652 02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:16.119 We're never running Fresno. Say it to me, brother, dude, Brother, 2653 02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:21.159 I'm not working that friz No brother, f dude, not 2654 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:23.640 working the Frizze dude. All right, let me tell you something, dude, 2655 02:13:23.880 --> 02:13:25.720 I'm not working the selling arena. 2656 02:13:25.800 --> 02:13:26.039 Brother. 2657 02:13:26.640 --> 02:13:28.920 All right, listen, I'm not selling anything. 2658 02:13:29.079 --> 02:13:29.199 Right. 2659 02:13:29.239 --> 02:13:31.439 You want to sell an arena, sell the garden, brother, 2660 02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:31.760 But you. 2661 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:34.239 Know I'll sell an arena, brother, but I'm not selling 2662 02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:35.880 in the arena. You know what I'm saying, dude. 2663 02:13:41.800 --> 02:13:43.159 Oh well, Hulk has his terms. 2664 02:13:43.279 --> 02:13:45.760 That's what I said my contract. 2665 02:13:45.800 --> 02:13:46.039 Brother. 2666 02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:51.359 You know I'm talking right what section eleven paragraphy Brother 2667 02:13:52.359 --> 02:13:54.760 Old Cogan will sell an arena, whul Cogan will do 2668 02:13:54.880 --> 02:14:00.319 no selling in arena if he doesn't want to to 2669 02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:07.479 create a control brother, creative, the creative contrizzle. Brother, That's 2670 02:14:07.520 --> 02:14:11.600 where I'm working at POOF. I want you to know 2671 02:14:11.640 --> 02:14:16.279 I did like the fucking hang tough. You know I'm 2672 02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:20.920 gonna take Yeah, I'm gonna think you even know what 2673 02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:22.119 you are inside? 2674 02:14:25.680 --> 02:14:25.800 Uh. 2675 02:14:27.159 --> 02:14:31.199 Table Mountain couldn't keep their bodies attached to their ringside seats. 2676 02:14:31.600 --> 02:14:34.720 The excitement was too much for them. Again and again, 2677 02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:38.760 Hastings jumped to his feet and ran to restraining barriers. 2678 02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:42.119 With the quickness of a charging bear, he thrust his 2679 02:14:42.319 --> 02:14:43.560 gloved left hand. 2680 02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:50.039 Brother, what, let me ask you a question, dude. Why 2681 02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:51.720 didn't you just say his left hand? Why did you 2682 02:14:51.760 --> 02:14:52.239 have to say there. 2683 02:14:52.239 --> 02:14:52.640 Was a glove? 2684 02:14:52.760 --> 02:14:54.079 Why is it globe? What's in the glove? 2685 02:14:54.159 --> 02:14:55.079 Why do you have a glove on you? 2686 02:14:56.640 --> 02:14:56.800 You know? 2687 02:14:57.359 --> 02:15:01.000 Just was it loaded? I'm sorry? Brother, People and gloves now, Dude, Like, 2688 02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:03.800 like you go to a sporting event all of a sudden, 2689 02:15:03.800 --> 02:15:05.520 you know, go to an entertainment event, brother, and all 2690 02:15:05.520 --> 02:15:06.560 of a sudden, you know, hey, do you I got 2691 02:15:06.640 --> 02:15:07.000 a glove? 2692 02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:09.880 I can see it in cold climbs in general, brother, 2693 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:11.000 But this is the frizziz No. 2694 02:15:11.880 --> 02:15:15.399 You were talking you know, California. A brother, They're wearing 2695 02:15:15.439 --> 02:15:18.479 gloves indoors in Fresno. Dude, Like, what's that is? 2696 02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:18.840 Brother? 2697 02:15:19.119 --> 02:15:23.159 Like, I'm you're supposed to question, you know, I'm I'm 2698 02:15:23.239 --> 02:15:25.079 going I'm going to go to go to a go 2699 02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:27.319 to a w W event, brother, and I'm wearing a glove. 2700 02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:31.760 Like who says that exactly? And it's not brother, Brother, 2701 02:15:31.840 --> 02:15:33.760 I understand you know that it's just a glove. I 2702 02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:36.000 get that, but it's it's that's not the glove. Brother, 2703 02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:40.560 it's what's next? Fingers cut out? 2704 02:15:41.079 --> 02:15:43.119 Whoa dude? Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. 2705 02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:47.720 Whan the fingers were exposed, brother, like full grip Like Brother, 2706 02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:51.479 we're talking like, you know, like real grippage, dude. We're 2707 02:15:51.479 --> 02:15:54.399 talking about like rolling me up. 2708 02:15:54.399 --> 02:15:54.600 Brother. 2709 02:15:54.680 --> 02:15:56.000 This kind of sounds like UFC gloves. 2710 02:15:56.359 --> 02:15:56.560 Dude. 2711 02:15:56.560 --> 02:15:58.560 I'm thinking like this guy's gonna come up from behind 2712 02:15:58.600 --> 02:15:59.960 Hult Coagan, roll me up, brother, the. 2713 02:16:00.199 --> 02:16:00.720 Sea gloves on? 2714 02:16:00.840 --> 02:16:01.039 Brother? 2715 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:04.560 I mean, dude, like, have you trained no hold's bar? Dude? 2716 02:16:04.600 --> 02:16:09.079 I mean, what's it is? Dude? Were you huh? Are 2717 02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:09.720 you don fry? 2718 02:16:09.800 --> 02:16:10.039 I know this. 2719 02:16:10.159 --> 02:16:11.520 I know that ship's big out here on this. 2720 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:13.880 Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? 2721 02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:17.000 Brother, Listen, I'm not I'm not. I just want to say, dude, 2722 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:19.880 I'm here for different purposes, but I don't know people 2723 02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:24.560 allowed to wear gloves with fingers coming in? Brother exposed, Dude, 2724 02:16:25.520 --> 02:16:28.520 that's not okay, right, Like what else are they exposing? Brother? 2725 02:16:30.640 --> 02:16:33.680 Was in business? Dude exposed to Hult Coven. 2726 02:16:35.920 --> 02:16:36.959 I knew that was coming. 2727 02:16:39.239 --> 02:16:41.520 You see, I see where my mind's going. He says 2728 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:41.920 these things. 2729 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:45.079 He says these things like by saying them, it's going 2730 02:16:45.120 --> 02:16:46.559 to be clear to you where he's coming from. 2731 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:48.680 But it gets less like you see where I'm Comforromed brother, Like, 2732 02:16:48.760 --> 02:16:51.000 you know, expose Hulk Cogan. What does that mean exactly? 2733 02:16:51.319 --> 02:16:53.639 You know, I mean expose him for for you know, 2734 02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:56.799 like a frame job brother, or we talking expose him 2735 02:16:56.959 --> 02:16:59.879 from behind and then like roll them up, get the 2736 02:17:00.120 --> 02:17:04.559 pin one two three torch. Dude, this is the Concerns book. 2737 02:17:04.719 --> 02:17:06.079 This is what we gotta com think about. 2738 02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:11.200 I love it, bo I love it, he says, this 2739 02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:14.040 is what we got to kind of think about. Great 2740 02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:18.479 if any idea how much work the word kinda is 2741 02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:21.840 doing in that sentence, we have to kind of think about, 2742 02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:23.200 like we. 2743 02:17:23.440 --> 02:17:26.879 Like, look because kind of like in Hull Cogan, we're 2744 02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:29.639 in Hull Cogan terms kind of means one hundred and 2745 02:17:29.719 --> 02:17:33.319 fifty percent of the time exactly, you know, kinda is 2746 02:17:33.399 --> 02:17:35.000 like you better be on top of the ship before 2747 02:17:35.000 --> 02:17:35.799 I even think about it. 2748 02:17:36.079 --> 02:17:40.319 And I love this like general theme of like, uh, 2749 02:17:40.440 --> 02:17:42.399 I know that you don't think it's a big deal, 2750 02:17:42.479 --> 02:17:44.159 but trust me, if we don't all put our heads 2751 02:17:44.200 --> 02:17:46.239 together on this, we're all in trouble. You know, Like 2752 02:17:46.760 --> 02:17:49.399 he kind of creates that feeling. Yeah, exact, because if 2753 02:17:49.440 --> 02:17:52.159 this isn't sacred, If I can't hold this as sacred, 2754 02:17:53.120 --> 02:17:54.440 You're not going to be able to hold anything as 2755 02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:56.760 sacred either to yourself. It might not be this concern, 2756 02:17:56.879 --> 02:18:03.719 but it will be another related concern. I'm so glad 2757 02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:08.399 as I as I literally snort, I'm so glad that 2758 02:18:08.520 --> 02:18:11.879 that came up. What episode is that must have been 2759 02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:13.799 one where Hogan was in the w W F right, 2760 02:18:14.799 --> 02:18:19.559 certainly not Oh my goodness, he said that wearing gloves 2761 02:18:20.239 --> 02:18:20.479 in the. 2762 02:18:22.159 --> 02:18:26.719 Shawn Michaels gloves probably and he goes gloves, Yeah, it goes. 2763 02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:29.920 Whoa dude, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa brother? 2764 02:18:31.079 --> 02:18:32.799 Yeah, it's it's right here, dude, in the style of 2765 02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:35.399 Hero Diesel. Dude, Diesel is supposed to be the new 2766 02:18:35.440 --> 02:18:37.719 quote unquote Hulk Hogan. Right, and you wonder why I 2767 02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:40.159 worried about this brother. We got new Hulk Hogan, we 2768 02:18:40.200 --> 02:18:42.920 got we got cod on this trucker, Hogan. Dude, gloves, 2769 02:18:45.159 --> 02:18:46.520 you know, what, what are you gonna do? You're gonna 2770 02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:49.920 suddenly all of a sudden bringing gloves in dose w Dude, Like, 2771 02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:51.040 what are we talking about? 2772 02:18:51.280 --> 02:18:57.600 Who's he talking to he's he's concerned that Bischoff had something. 2773 02:18:57.479 --> 02:19:00.120 To do with this, I mean, and then all of 2774 02:19:00.120 --> 02:19:01.079 a sudden, you bring these guys in. 2775 02:19:01.200 --> 02:19:01.440 Brother. 2776 02:19:01.680 --> 02:19:04.559 You can see how because there's not really a good 2777 02:19:04.559 --> 02:19:05.920 whole human glove. I don't wear gloves. 2778 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:08.440 I'm not even talking these guys, dude, Like, what's the 2779 02:19:08.479 --> 02:19:11.120 dis bro, can you get gloves? Due? Are you gonna say, 2780 02:19:11.440 --> 02:19:13.280 you know what, We're gonna get the whole cooking by 2781 02:19:13.360 --> 02:19:16.239 the gloves. Like, are you gonna plan on these guys 2782 02:19:16.639 --> 02:19:17.319 gloving me out? 2783 02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:29.600 So great, you get hold cooking by the gloves, but 2784 02:19:29.680 --> 02:19:31.840 whatever that means? And then he says, you get these 2785 02:19:31.879 --> 02:19:35.120 guys gloving me out, dude, what does that mean? Just 2786 02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:37.280 surrounding them and smacking them with gloves? 2787 02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:39.559 Glove out? Brother, I know that trick. 2788 02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:42.120 I've heard of it before. I love how he invents 2789 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:43.840 things like their things, you know, like. 2790 02:19:44.760 --> 02:19:48.520 This is completely confidently, like it's normal. 2791 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:51.559 Like we all know, like Strangler Lewis got gloved out, 2792 02:19:51.760 --> 02:19:54.200 he was never the same Joe Stevie. 2793 02:19:53.920 --> 02:19:56.040 Brother, dud, I say, we've all worked the gloves, brother, 2794 02:19:56.799 --> 02:19:58.280 We've all done it, dude, We've all we've all had 2795 02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:01.799 that glove and experience. So I'm just fron well, what's 2796 02:20:01.799 --> 02:20:03.639 the next brother? You're gonna hear? Jarrenny Glover? I mean 2797 02:20:07.719 --> 02:20:10.200 we got Danny Lover, We've got John Glover. Where we 2798 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:11.040 where are we? 2799 02:20:11.159 --> 02:20:11.440 What do we? 2800 02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:12.120 Where do we end? 2801 02:20:12.159 --> 02:20:12.360 Brother? 2802 02:20:12.399 --> 02:20:14.879 Where did it end? You know how many gloves come out? 2803 02:20:15.280 --> 02:20:15.479 Right? 2804 02:20:16.360 --> 02:20:19.040 You know, throwing down, brother? 2805 02:20:19.120 --> 02:20:21.920 And not just the childish can childish camping or brother? 2806 02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:25.479 I mean you know, I think you know I'm talking 2807 02:20:25.479 --> 02:20:29.520 of playing high the gloves, right, dude? Or glove the ball? Right? 2808 02:20:29.680 --> 02:20:31.000 We are kind of talking about this scene on the 2809 02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:40.879 serious bass because we're talking legal. We're talking legal. 2810 02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:43.000 Oh yeah, very clearly we're talking legal. 2811 02:20:43.360 --> 02:20:43.920 I mean legal. 2812 02:20:44.000 --> 02:20:44.840 What exactly? 2813 02:20:45.120 --> 02:20:45.200 Right? 2814 02:20:45.239 --> 02:20:47.680 You're talking about gloving the ball instead of hiding the ball? 2815 02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:48.600 What am my baseball player? 2816 02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:48.760 Now? 2817 02:20:48.799 --> 02:20:48.840 Do? 2818 02:20:49.159 --> 02:20:49.360 I mean? 2819 02:20:49.399 --> 02:20:52.399 Do you know what are we changing? Changing the name 2820 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:52.719 of the game? 2821 02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:52.959 Brother? 2822 02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:55.319 We what we what are we fucking baseball players? 2823 02:20:55.319 --> 02:20:55.399 Now? 2824 02:20:55.479 --> 02:20:56.959 Do was this World championship baseball? 2825 02:20:57.000 --> 02:20:57.200 Brother? 2826 02:20:57.280 --> 02:20:59.079 Are we hiding the ball in the gloves? I mean? 2827 02:20:59.440 --> 02:20:59.639 Whoa? 2828 02:21:00.399 --> 02:21:01.760 Or are we glove on the ball on the hide? 2829 02:21:05.639 --> 02:21:08.239 Dode? I just want to know where we're at right exactly? 2830 02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:12.559 I mean, let me just talk about clarity. It's all 2831 02:21:12.680 --> 02:21:15.479 he needs is clarity where we're at. 2832 02:21:16.200 --> 02:21:20.879 In other words, I just want some reassurances that you're 2833 02:21:20.959 --> 02:21:27.200 not engaging in a very convoluted conspiracy to catch me 2834 02:21:27.319 --> 02:21:31.200 off guard for reasons unknown. But if you're trying to 2835 02:21:31.280 --> 02:21:33.760 catch me off guard, no matter what your goals, hope's 2836 02:21:33.799 --> 02:21:35.200 gonna inquire. 2837 02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:41.200 Oh god, maybe so good. But someone new and unsettling 2838 02:21:41.319 --> 02:21:44.879 was about to enter the ring, Hastings said, somebody someone 2839 02:21:44.920 --> 02:21:50.280 who gave Hastings pause about wrestling's future. You'll be shocked 2840 02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:53.200 by what you see, he warned. It was a match 2841 02:21:54.239 --> 02:22:02.639 between Razor Ramone and gold Dust. Yeah. Quote, a lot 2842 02:22:02.719 --> 02:22:05.959 of people are calling to be taught, are calling for 2843 02:22:06.120 --> 02:22:11.399 gold Dust to be tossed out because of the gay thing. 2844 02:22:12.440 --> 02:22:17.639 Pastings said, sure enough. Gold Dust entered the ring decked 2845 02:22:17.719 --> 02:22:22.559 in gold with a long blonde wig and heavy eye makeup. Nice, 2846 02:22:25.600 --> 02:22:28.319 it's just face painte It's not heavy I makeup. It's 2847 02:22:28.360 --> 02:22:31.600 not fucking right, you know, like I mean they're describing 2848 02:22:32.200 --> 02:22:35.520 Mark Merrow fucking w CW. He had heavy eye makeup on, 2849 02:22:36.600 --> 02:22:41.319 not fucking dustin here, you fucking face paint. The crowd booed. 2850 02:22:42.680 --> 02:22:47.360 Someone held up a placard quote gold Dust, Ted's tired 2851 02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:49.479 of Jane call him. 2852 02:22:51.319 --> 02:22:52.120 That's a good sign. 2853 02:22:52.920 --> 02:22:53.719 It's a good. 2854 02:22:55.319 --> 02:22:55.760 Sure enough. 2855 02:22:55.840 --> 02:22:58.479 Midway through the match, gold Dust pulled a nifty maneuver 2856 02:22:58.600 --> 02:23:02.600 to escape Razors ground as from behind. Brother, What whoa 2857 02:23:03.079 --> 02:23:08.920 see you call me, dude, paranoid brother? First of all, dude, 2858 02:23:08.959 --> 02:23:10.200 who's this gold Dust guy? 2859 02:23:10.360 --> 02:23:12.000 He's coming up from behind him? And where's it coming 2860 02:23:12.079 --> 02:23:12.440 from behind? 2861 02:23:12.479 --> 02:23:12.680 Brother? 2862 02:23:12.799 --> 02:23:13.559 What's it is? Dude? 2863 02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.319 That's Dusty's kid, and Dusty's working here w c W brother, 2864 02:23:16.319 --> 02:23:18.000 and you'ren't telling me. I'm much to be worried that 2865 02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:20.719 he's fucking training to go behind people and the other. 2866 02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:23.239 We're talking about like he's trying to roll people from behind? 2867 02:23:23.319 --> 02:23:26.799 Dude over on the other side, what's to say? I mean, 2868 02:23:26.840 --> 02:23:29.600 I'm it's obviously certain he's coming back to your brother 2869 02:23:29.799 --> 02:23:31.159 to roll up Hulk Hogan from behind. 2870 02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:35.719 What's his full name? Take Hulk Hogan's gold Dust. What's 2871 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:36.239 the first name? 2872 02:23:36.280 --> 02:23:36.479 Brother? 2873 02:23:37.760 --> 02:23:39.760 What it is you take Hulk Hogan? 2874 02:23:39.840 --> 02:23:40.559 Is that his first call? 2875 02:23:40.639 --> 02:23:46.399 Brother? Take Hulk Hogan's gold Dust. Brother. Listen, dude, I 2876 02:23:46.879 --> 02:23:48.280 have concerns. 2877 02:23:47.840 --> 02:23:50.559 Dusty Dusty brother. I'm just saying I know that you 2878 02:23:50.639 --> 02:23:53.520 claim re alienated from from from your son, dude, but 2879 02:23:53.639 --> 02:23:55.440 you got you gotta see it from Hull Hogan's pert. 2880 02:23:56.280 --> 02:23:56.479 Brother. 2881 02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:00.200 You're gonna tell me, dude that you're not behind him 2882 02:24:00.200 --> 02:24:03.959 going by the name take Hulk Hogan's Gold Dust, but 2883 02:24:05.200 --> 02:24:06.520 that I don't want to say what you're talking about, 2884 02:24:06.959 --> 02:24:09.920 what we think. 2885 02:24:10.120 --> 02:24:10.399 I don't. 2886 02:24:10.680 --> 02:24:14.280 I just want to tell you that I'm not a fan. 2887 02:24:14.479 --> 02:24:17.000 I don't didn't approve of my son going over back 2888 02:24:17.040 --> 02:24:19.559 over to w W work for nthic man. I didn't. 2889 02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:22.600 I didn't say, okay, Daddy, I didn't think go over there. 2890 02:24:23.280 --> 02:24:27.079 I don't know what he's doing over there. You're telling 2891 02:24:27.159 --> 02:24:29.040 did not approve this, this gimmick he's doing. 2892 02:24:29.959 --> 02:24:32.239 Brother, So you tell me, dude, that you didn't give 2893 02:24:32.319 --> 02:24:39.280 him the name take Hulk Hogan's Gold Dust. That I 2894 02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:40.719 don't even know what the fun you're talking about. I 2895 02:24:40.840 --> 02:24:43.559 know that to go by the name gold Gold newspaper 2896 02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:46.760 right now. I don't appreciate, daddy. I don't like it, Daddy, 2897 02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:49.079 but it's going by the name gold Deaf. He's reaching around, 2898 02:24:49.079 --> 02:24:51.399 he's touching people up and down, grabbing cox in hand, 2899 02:24:51.479 --> 02:24:52.760 the whole fucking thing, Daddy. 2900 02:24:53.000 --> 02:24:53.399 I don't. 2901 02:24:53.760 --> 02:24:57.879 I don't know anything about take Hulk Hogan's brother. I mean, 2902 02:24:57.879 --> 02:25:01.719 you don't take Hulk Hogan's what today you said, take 2903 02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:03.959 Hold Cogan's gold duff daddy, brother. See this is what 2904 02:25:04.000 --> 02:25:05.959 I'm talking about. You told him to take the name, 2905 02:25:06.120 --> 02:25:10.520 take Holdgan's gold dust brother. Why did you do that, dude, Baby, 2906 02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:14.239 Hulk holks the baby. I'm not I'm saying no, dadday, 2907 02:25:14.440 --> 02:25:18.879 Hulk Mania not taking gold dust Daddy. Nobody's taking hulk dust. 2908 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:21.879 Article says said, waitman, do you said his name is 2909 02:25:21.920 --> 02:25:22.360 hulk dust? 2910 02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:22.639 Dude? 2911 02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:25.159 He said, brother, you said Holt dust. 2912 02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:27.600 And I'm not fan nothing about Hulk dust. 2913 02:25:27.639 --> 02:25:29.280 Baby. Why you talking about Holk dust? 2914 02:25:29.360 --> 02:25:29.559 Brother? 2915 02:25:30.760 --> 02:25:32.639 I want to know what Why you're not talking about this? 2916 02:25:32.959 --> 02:25:34.079 This is clearly the issue. 2917 02:25:34.120 --> 02:25:34.319 Dude. 2918 02:25:34.399 --> 02:25:38.680 Read the article, brother, Read the fucking paper. Brother, We're 2919 02:25:38.719 --> 02:25:42.280 talking about Dustin Runnels. Dude is taking Hulk Cogan's torch. 2920 02:25:42.399 --> 02:25:43.680 Brother over in w W. 2921 02:25:43.840 --> 02:25:49.079 E is not even there, Dude, that's a goddamn quote. 2922 02:25:54.440 --> 02:25:56.799 Read Read the quote again, deary, go ahead, read it. 2923 02:25:57.000 --> 02:25:57.559 What does it say? 2924 02:25:58.399 --> 02:26:01.479 It says Dawston Runnels over in WW taking a whole 2925 02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:04.280 COVID torch from w W dude, and bring it all 2926 02:26:04.319 --> 02:26:06.319 around the world for a whole COVID fucking. 2927 02:26:06.239 --> 02:26:09.040 Laughs at like he's. 2928 02:26:10.680 --> 02:26:17.840 Like he's allie in Atlanta in ninety six. Why are 2929 02:26:17.840 --> 02:26:18.600 you telling me to do that? 2930 02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:19.079 Dude? 2931 02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:22.639 Wait to the summer game. Wait to the summer games. 2932 02:26:22.719 --> 02:26:24.520 Right here in Atlanta, Terry, you're gonna see a toy 2933 02:26:24.920 --> 02:26:27.120 and you're gonna be the guy in Atlanta without the torch. 2934 02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:39.879 Perfect thoughts. You came with him before I was even there. 2935 02:26:40.239 --> 02:26:44.879 I wasn't even talking school like you kicked into a 2936 02:26:44.959 --> 02:26:48.719 different gear. Oh my god, what you're saying. There's a 2937 02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:49.719 torch run down in Atlanta? 2938 02:26:49.760 --> 02:26:50.000 Dude? 2939 02:26:53.200 --> 02:26:54.040 Who give my torch? 2940 02:26:55.959 --> 02:26:56.319 Why is it? 2941 02:26:56.360 --> 02:26:57.399 Why is his handshaking? 2942 02:26:57.479 --> 02:26:57.680 Brother? 2943 02:27:02.079 --> 02:27:02.680 Oh god? 2944 02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:05.239 Uh? 2945 02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:11.360 Behind now? Behind Razor gold Dust appeared to be doing 2946 02:27:11.600 --> 02:27:17.280 non athletic handwork on raising, non athletic handwork. 2947 02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:20.920 That's another thing you could call pro wrestling. 2948 02:27:21.440 --> 02:27:27.479 Yeah, I'm athletic. Oh my god. The crowd went wild. 2949 02:27:28.239 --> 02:27:38.280 Quote oh god, Hastings said, alarmed, unbelievable, something like vinciic man, unbelievable, unbelievable. 2950 02:27:40.120 --> 02:27:42.360 Just as Razors seemed to get things under control, a 2951 02:27:42.479 --> 02:27:45.920 totally illegal invasion brother Southern. 2952 02:27:45.680 --> 02:27:47.680 Border who whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa? 2953 02:27:49.239 --> 02:27:50.959 What do you mean? What's going on? Dude? 2954 02:27:51.559 --> 02:27:51.799 Brother? 2955 02:27:51.879 --> 02:27:55.920 Our CPB can't or border patrol of apps getting deleted? 2956 02:27:56.000 --> 02:27:56.159 Dude? 2957 02:27:56.639 --> 02:27:59.959 Like, what are we talking about here, dude? Like, who's invading? 2958 02:28:00.120 --> 02:28:00.159 What? 2959 02:28:00.319 --> 02:28:01.559 Exactly? Right? Port of entry? 2960 02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:01.799 Brother? 2961 02:28:01.840 --> 02:28:04.000 I mean, like am I like? Are we talking about 2962 02:28:04.479 --> 02:28:08.479 like Hulk Hogan's home? I'm talking about home invasion? 2963 02:28:08.520 --> 02:28:08.719 Brother? 2964 02:28:08.920 --> 02:28:10.760 Is w CW a port of entry to those who 2965 02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:11.600 might take my torch? 2966 02:28:11.680 --> 02:28:12.799 I mean? I and Brother? 2967 02:28:12.879 --> 02:28:13.319 What I mean? 2968 02:28:13.399 --> 02:28:14.680 Dude? Did I make a mistake coming in here? 2969 02:28:15.040 --> 02:28:15.200 You know? 2970 02:28:15.600 --> 02:28:18.159 Eric, Dude, you know you like, what's the I was 2971 02:28:18.159 --> 02:28:20.280 just making TV show, Brother, I was totally fine. All 2972 02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:23.040 of a sudden in WW. Don't even know why. I 2973 02:28:23.079 --> 02:28:26.360 don't even know how. And now I got to read 2974 02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:28.959 about and now I'm talking about now now now a 2975 02:28:29.000 --> 02:28:31.959 paper talking about w W talking about Hulk Hogan Holdon's 2976 02:28:31.959 --> 02:28:32.799 house getting invaded. 2977 02:28:32.840 --> 02:28:42.639 Brother, home invasion, Dude, he was a lot to manage, 2978 02:28:44.600 --> 02:28:45.559 was a lot to manage. 2979 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:49.680 It says totally illegal home invasion getting the one two 2980 02:28:49.760 --> 02:28:53.879 three from a kid on Hulk Hogan. That's what it says. Brother, 2981 02:28:54.120 --> 02:28:58.959 Right there, dude, totally illegal home invasion kid gets one 2982 02:28:59.000 --> 02:29:02.239 two three on hul covid that happened. I ask you, brother, 2983 02:29:02.440 --> 02:29:04.520 what would you do if you were me in that situation? 2984 02:29:05.079 --> 02:29:05.319 Brother? 2985 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:06.959 What would you be? 2986 02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:08.079 Would you not be alarmed? 2987 02:29:08.159 --> 02:29:08.360 Dude? 2988 02:29:08.920 --> 02:29:11.280 Would you not be the life of the concerned brother 2989 02:29:11.799 --> 02:29:14.959 that Wait a minute, they're making it up. Brother, I 2990 02:29:15.120 --> 02:29:19.799 wasn't home if somebody went home to my home illegally invaded? 2991 02:29:20.440 --> 02:29:23.280 And if I want you three by kid on old Cogan? 2992 02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:30.159 Why are they writing about that? Enfresno, Brother, Bishops just 2993 02:29:30.280 --> 02:29:35.639 like totally concerned, like not sure. 2994 02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:41.479 What to say writing about that in friends, God, it's 2995 02:29:41.559 --> 02:29:46.639 so good. It all started when that kid had the 2996 02:29:46.680 --> 02:29:55.719 glove on and you had my brother. It's concerning, Its 2997 02:29:55.879 --> 02:29:57.680 concerning so good. 2998 02:30:06.120 --> 02:30:12.440 Okay, totally invasioned by the one two three kid, not 2999 02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:15.360 even a contestant in the match, That's what I'm talking about, brother, 3000 02:30:16.239 --> 02:30:19.200 non contestants. I brother, Well, bad enough, he's called the 3001 02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:23.239 one two three kid. Dude, you're telling me that's not 3002 02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:26.920 that's not jabb at Hulk Cogan right, a fuck brother. 3003 02:30:27.719 --> 02:30:34.440 Six months later, Terry, we're bringing in Sean Waltman. What 3004 02:30:34.520 --> 02:30:42.319 would you call him? That's the first question. Wob Well dude, 3005 02:30:42.319 --> 02:30:44.760 I was a How about the brother you know one 3006 02:30:44.840 --> 02:30:47.639 two and three adamoth they get six right? Just call 3007 02:30:47.719 --> 02:30:50.959 him six? Are you calling? We call him the one kid? 3008 02:30:51.639 --> 02:30:54.639 I mean we're talking one too. We're talking about what was. 3009 02:30:54.680 --> 02:30:57.799 It I just read about Wait a minute, didn't I 3010 02:30:57.879 --> 02:30:59.280 read in January and President? 3011 02:30:59.440 --> 02:30:59.600 Wait? 3012 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:03.520 Brother, and you told me there was nothing to worry about. Dude, 3013 02:31:03.959 --> 02:31:05.879 about one two three kid and all the implications. 3014 02:31:06.399 --> 02:31:08.280 I'm gonna tell you something. Now you're bringing him in. 3015 02:31:08.639 --> 02:31:10.479 I want brother, you keep him away from me, dude. 3016 02:31:11.040 --> 02:31:12.399 I will fuck him up. Brother. 3017 02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:13.920 You have the one two three on Hulk Coogan, and 3018 02:31:14.000 --> 02:31:14.399 I'll tell. 3019 02:31:14.280 --> 02:31:14.760 You that right now. 3020 02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:16.760 I'm not jobbing, no little bitch. 3021 02:31:18.440 --> 02:31:19.760 He's gonna go from the one two three kid to 3022 02:31:19.840 --> 02:31:20.200 the zero. 3023 02:31:20.440 --> 02:31:24.760 Man. I'll take him from six to zero, dude in 3024 02:31:24.840 --> 02:31:29.920 two seconds, real quick, brother, exactly, starry hitting negative numbers, Yo, Sean, 3025 02:31:30.239 --> 02:31:34.120 Welcome to the company. Dude. Look with your brother, you 3026 02:31:34.239 --> 02:31:37.159 can't come around me, dude, we can't be any I 3027 02:31:37.959 --> 02:31:40.799 just wanna say, dude, you can't. You can't be one 3028 02:31:40.799 --> 02:31:43.760 two three kid, brother, right, you can't be one two 3029 02:31:43.760 --> 02:31:47.680 three around me. That just ain't gonna happen, dude, right now. 3030 02:31:47.719 --> 02:31:50.000 I got no personal beef with you, brother, but I 3031 02:31:50.079 --> 02:31:52.040 do have a beef with you calling out Hull Coogan 3032 02:31:52.079 --> 02:31:53.159 by going by one two three kid. 3033 02:31:56.639 --> 02:31:59.120 It's a cute idea, brother, but I can't be having 3034 02:31:59.479 --> 02:32:01.200 a guy in the locker room with an excuse to 3035 02:32:01.280 --> 02:32:03.799 be saying one two three all the time around Hulo. Listen, 3036 02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:05.440 how do I know if my shoulders are down what 3037 02:32:05.520 --> 02:32:05.879 it's said? 3038 02:32:06.600 --> 02:32:08.319 I mean, dude, I could be. I could be. I 3039 02:32:08.360 --> 02:32:10.520 could be, you know, standing for my locker brother, kind 3040 02:32:10.520 --> 02:32:12.559 of like you know, getting ready to you know, getting 3041 02:32:12.639 --> 02:32:14.280 the clothes, dude, ready to go, and all of a 3042 02:32:14.280 --> 02:32:16.600 sudden someone yells one two three, hey, one two three, dude, 3043 02:32:16.840 --> 02:32:18.959 all of a sudden. IM wondering, brother, my my pinned? Someone? 3044 02:32:19.280 --> 02:32:21.479 Am I done? To a camera on somewhere? I mean, 3045 02:32:21.520 --> 02:32:22.799 did I just lose the title? Who? 3046 02:32:22.959 --> 02:32:23.879 Who know? 3047 02:32:23.959 --> 02:32:27.280 Who's to say? You know I can't be one two 3048 02:32:27.280 --> 02:32:30.479 three brother, I'm I'm not allowing it, dude. I have 3049 02:32:30.559 --> 02:32:33.479 career creative controlling the hul Cogan and Hull Cogan is 3050 02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:38.200 not allowing one two three kid. No, my wsw brother, 3051 02:32:38.280 --> 02:32:40.000 I have. If you need a problem to do, you 3052 02:32:40.040 --> 02:32:43.000 can read my contract. Brother, Sexual love and some paragraph e. Brother, 3053 02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:44.319 I can say no, one, two, three. 3054 02:32:44.399 --> 02:32:45.959 I can see a little consternation in your face. 3055 02:32:46.040 --> 02:32:46.239 Brother. 3056 02:32:46.280 --> 02:32:48.680 I just advise you to be very careful about your 3057 02:32:48.680 --> 02:32:51.120 response right now, because if I don't hear something I like, Brother, 3058 02:32:51.159 --> 02:32:52.879 it's gonna get very difficult for you real quick. 3059 02:32:52.920 --> 02:32:56.040 Here. I do have firing power to a certain degree, Dude. 3060 02:32:56.719 --> 02:32:59.200 I'm going to take any risks so that you can 3061 02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:02.280 walk around here playing I'm not I'm not here, dude. 3062 02:33:02.399 --> 02:33:04.719 You know I'm there, Dude. 3063 02:33:04.760 --> 02:33:06.159 There are plenty of people out here, brother, who are 3064 02:33:06.159 --> 02:33:07.799 trying to make a name for themselves, dude, and I'm 3065 02:33:07.840 --> 02:33:08.479 not down with that. 3066 02:33:09.200 --> 02:33:11.040 This guy just got to the company and he is 3067 02:33:11.120 --> 02:33:15.079 getting absolutely berated by freaking day one. 3068 02:33:15.719 --> 02:33:18.879 Imagine just imagine fucking Sean Waltman and like a black 3069 02:33:18.959 --> 02:33:21.000 T shirt and like a vest and you know, with 3070 02:33:21.120 --> 02:33:24.159 sunglasses on in fucking old school walkman headphones on. He's like, 3071 02:33:24.200 --> 02:33:28.520 what the fuck is going on? No, man, I'm fucked. 3072 02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:32.440 Oh dude, I'm hunky. I don't know what you're talking about, dude. 3073 02:33:32.440 --> 02:33:34.680 I'm man, I'm I'm on your side. 3074 02:33:34.719 --> 02:33:38.520 I'm just walking my dog. That's what I thought, dude, brother, 3075 02:33:38.920 --> 02:33:41.879 you mean walking a dog. You got a leash, brother, 3076 02:33:42.879 --> 02:33:45.280 You know I mean what you know. I'll tell you 3077 02:33:45.399 --> 02:33:47.200 right now, dude, you get a leash for that dog. Brother, 3078 02:33:47.360 --> 02:33:50.000 and I'll tell you what, Dude, I had Haul and Nash. Brother, 3079 02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:51.879 they get a leash for you. They're gonna keep you 3080 02:33:51.879 --> 02:33:52.639 on a very short leash. 3081 02:33:53.879 --> 02:33:56.200 Exactly before you write before you played dumb with me, 3082 02:33:56.319 --> 02:33:58.040 brother and act like you weren't sitting here on a 3083 02:33:58.079 --> 02:34:01.639 mission with that name. But let you know I'm watching you. 3084 02:34:01.760 --> 02:34:03.879 And then I got all the bases covered, dude, Dude, 3085 02:34:03.879 --> 02:34:04.399 I got, I got. 3086 02:34:04.440 --> 02:34:08.680 I want to tell you something, Brother. Cameras at your house, dude, 3087 02:34:08.719 --> 02:34:11.040 and I have people watching your house twenty four to seven. 3088 02:34:11.079 --> 02:34:11.239 Brother. 3089 02:34:11.319 --> 02:34:13.159 I know when you leave, I know when you come home. 3090 02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:14.920 I know who you're fucking at night. 3091 02:34:14.959 --> 02:34:16.840 Brother goes up to him, shakes his hand and says, 3092 02:34:17.159 --> 02:34:18.520 Sean Walton's addressed to him. 3093 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:21.639 I know who you are, dude, I know we are 3094 02:34:21.760 --> 02:34:24.479 every morning. The day brother, you try to fuck with me, 3095 02:34:24.719 --> 02:34:29.600 I'm gonna kill you. Wow. Just walked into the fucking 3096 02:34:29.639 --> 02:34:30.559 building the first time. 3097 02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:36.520 Just walked in in his face, like twenty minutes of questions. 3098 02:34:36.399 --> 02:34:40.719 You know, with a stinky cigar mustache, rubbing up against 3099 02:34:41.079 --> 02:34:44.120 rubbing up against the fucking nose of Sean Waltman, and. 3100 02:34:44.159 --> 02:34:45.639 I'm gonna go back to Fresno now. 3101 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:52.760 Gave the match to the hideously taunting gold Dust quote. 3102 02:34:53.280 --> 02:34:58.239 No good, no good, Hastings shouted on to the free 3103 02:34:58.319 --> 02:35:00.000 for all rumble. No wait a minute, free for all 3104 02:35:00.200 --> 02:35:08.280 different shows, a totally different warriors, Diesel, British Bulldog, King Mabel, 3105 02:35:08.639 --> 02:35:13.600 vodder Yokozuna, Shawn Michaels, Jake the Snake, Robert and many 3106 02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:22.000 others thumped, slammed, gouged, grimaced, spit groaned, did about everything 3107 02:35:22.159 --> 02:35:29.840 but bleed. You could even see them talking short inaudible comments, instructions, 3108 02:35:30.200 --> 02:35:33.079 question mark, it's to each other as the crowd the 3109 02:35:33.200 --> 02:35:36.399 crowd brought it says, know who the editor is? Yeah, 3110 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:40.319 a guy named King Mabel weighed five and twenty pounds. 3111 02:35:40.760 --> 02:35:44.159 Hastings said, But next to Tatanka is to Tunku in 3112 02:35:44.200 --> 02:35:44.639 the rumble. 3113 02:35:46.600 --> 02:35:49.840 No he's not right. 3114 02:35:49.959 --> 02:35:51.559 No, I don't think so. I don't remember him being 3115 02:35:51.600 --> 02:35:52.079 in the rumble. 3116 02:35:53.319 --> 02:35:55.360 Well you know, no he is for a second. Is 3117 02:35:55.520 --> 02:35:57.280 I take that back he was in for a second, 3118 02:35:57.399 --> 02:36:01.079 Yes he was. Wow, I can remember Vince nor American 3119 02:36:01.159 --> 02:36:01.600 toa TNKA. 3120 02:36:02.040 --> 02:36:04.159 Oh god, I mean's funny. I've watched it, I remember. 3121 02:36:04.200 --> 02:36:06.360 And then he comes back for the February show against 3122 02:36:06.440 --> 02:36:07.239 Jake and then he's gone. 3123 02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:07.559 I think. 3124 02:36:07.719 --> 02:36:07.959 Wow. 3125 02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:13.520 But next to Tatanka with the sumo wrestler appearance, King 3126 02:36:13.600 --> 02:36:20.479 Mabel looked like an overweight Share what c hr He 3127 02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:23.120 looks nothing like Share? What the fuck is there? What 3128 02:36:23.200 --> 02:36:26.280 the fuck he's talking about? That's bizarre. 3129 02:36:27.120 --> 02:36:31.040 Looks like a Marty purple eggplant fucking Japanese snack is 3130 02:36:31.079 --> 02:36:31.639 what he looks like. 3131 02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:38.920 Yeah, Marty Funk forty six looked down from a prime 3132 02:36:39.040 --> 02:36:42.479 seat as her husband. Oh no, he got access to 3133 02:36:42.639 --> 02:36:48.000 Marty Dorance Junior. Dori Junior fifty three, oldest wrestler in 3134 02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:50.920 the Rumble engaged in combat. 3135 02:36:51.280 --> 02:36:51.600 Wow. 3136 02:36:52.600 --> 02:36:55.280 He looked small, but stood six foot four inches and 3137 02:36:55.319 --> 02:36:59.280 weighed two hundred and fifty pounds. It turned out he 3138 02:36:59.360 --> 02:37:06.280 stayed away from wilder wrestlers. Yeah, certainly not his brother. 3139 02:37:06.520 --> 02:37:10.959 Great coverage quote. He's in better condition than half the 3140 02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:17.479 guys here. He's the George Foreman of all the wrestling business, 3141 02:37:19.920 --> 02:37:21.239 the biggest bunch of bullshit r. 3142 02:37:21.399 --> 02:37:23.079 Remember he came out at the ninety six and rumble. 3143 02:37:23.120 --> 02:37:26.159 What were your thoughts. I had no idea. Who the 3144 02:37:26.200 --> 02:37:27.200 fuck he was? Unreal? 3145 02:37:27.280 --> 02:37:28.920 He was last year, right with Dick Murdock too. 3146 02:37:31.639 --> 02:37:34.559 Dick Murdoch was in it, but not not Dorance. Yeah, 3147 02:37:34.840 --> 02:37:36.680 he acts like he was in it his book, Dorance, 3148 02:37:37.559 --> 02:37:40.879 I don't think he was. I think so either. I mean, 3149 02:37:40.959 --> 02:37:43.399 I know that it was weird. They had these old 3150 02:37:43.440 --> 02:37:49.639 guys in Yeah, these these like these two rumbles. It 3151 02:37:49.760 --> 02:37:52.120 was just so. And I always get them confused, honestly, 3152 02:37:52.159 --> 02:37:55.760 I always. I always think Dick Murdoch is in the 3153 02:37:55.879 --> 02:37:59.399 ninety six one and it's Dory and the other one 3154 02:37:59.520 --> 02:38:02.520 or versa. But I mean I'm looking he's not, and 3155 02:38:02.600 --> 02:38:05.319 I'm looking off people he's not. He's not it. 3156 02:38:06.479 --> 02:38:08.520 No, maybe he went to the show, but he wasn't 3157 02:38:08.559 --> 02:38:09.120 in the match. 3158 02:38:09.000 --> 02:38:15.079 And he talks about him match book. That's weird. Uh, 3159 02:38:17.079 --> 02:38:22.520 this was this was no fake. She said this was real. 3160 02:38:22.760 --> 02:38:26.680 She said that, she said that this fucking this, this 3161 02:38:27.840 --> 02:38:31.559 is a lunatic, fucking luminic is what she is. They 3162 02:38:31.639 --> 02:38:35.879 all hurt, Marty Funk said, every day they hurt. That's true, 3163 02:38:38.360 --> 02:38:42.600 Opera when he's lying. Yeah, the quote fake charge was 3164 02:38:42.680 --> 02:38:45.280 a misconception. She said, the wrestler. 3165 02:38:45.520 --> 02:38:48.079 This guy goes to the recover of the ninety six Rumble, 3166 02:38:48.559 --> 02:38:51.559 It gets into it with Marty fun about what if 3167 02:38:51.559 --> 02:38:52.280 it's fake or not? 3168 02:38:52.760 --> 02:38:55.159 Not to be not to be confused with Marty funkauser 3169 02:38:56.680 --> 02:38:57.239 from the Herb. 3170 02:39:09.879 --> 02:39:11.239 Not to be confused. 3171 02:39:12.520 --> 02:39:14.520 Oh man, that's good, boss, I think you know it. 3172 02:39:14.959 --> 02:39:21.280 What's up? LT right? Absolutely? Oh Jesus Christ, I can't 3173 02:39:21.319 --> 02:39:24.520 handle this right now. The quote fake charge was a misconception. 3174 02:39:24.719 --> 02:39:31.719 She said the wrestlers had plays. Oh god, but plays 3175 02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:39.520 often run astray, as in pro football. So wrestlers have 3176 02:39:39.760 --> 02:39:43.079 plays apparently. I guess there's a playbook, but we knew 3177 02:39:43.079 --> 02:39:44.799 there was a spot book. Oh. 3178 02:39:46.760 --> 02:39:50.159 I mean, I'll read the one page chapter from please 3179 02:39:50.239 --> 02:39:53.479 Dori's book about this rumble, okay, because he has a 3180 02:39:53.559 --> 02:39:55.360 separate thing which we'll read from when we get to 3181 02:39:55.399 --> 02:39:57.520 the deep dive about what happens in Fresno. But the 3182 02:39:57.639 --> 02:40:01.040 chapter is Royal Rumble and Tampa, flor in nineteen ninety six. 3183 02:40:01.319 --> 02:40:03.920 What fuck is he talking about? Wow, you really look good. 3184 02:40:03.959 --> 02:40:06.079 I said to Dick Murdoch. I have an idea. We're 3185 02:40:06.120 --> 02:40:07.959 gonna go through the entire crew of wrestlers here and 3186 02:40:08.000 --> 02:40:09.959 tell each one, just how good they look. Ask them 3187 02:40:09.959 --> 02:40:12.120 if they'd been working out, Tell them they look pumped up, 3188 02:40:12.120 --> 02:40:14.280 ask them what kind of diet they've been on. Compliment 3189 02:40:14.360 --> 02:40:16.520 them in any way you can. I'll bet you that 3190 02:40:16.639 --> 02:40:18.879 not one single wrestler will return the compliment and say 3191 02:40:19.159 --> 02:40:21.719 how good we look. Dick loved the idea, and we 3192 02:40:21.799 --> 02:40:24.360 made the rounds. Just as I said, not one wrestler 3193 02:40:24.440 --> 02:40:26.920 return the compliment to Dick or myself. We got lots 3194 02:40:26.959 --> 02:40:29.120 of comments like, oh, well, yes, I've been in a 3195 02:40:29.159 --> 02:40:32.120 special workout, it's the special protein something that I've been on. 3196 02:40:32.360 --> 02:40:34.159 Many just said thank you very much. Dick and I 3197 02:40:34.280 --> 02:40:37.159 were having a ball telling wrestlers just how good they looked. 3198 02:40:37.200 --> 02:40:39.920 Even the godwins thanked us for the compliments as we 3199 02:40:40.040 --> 02:40:42.239 laughed the less. As we left the last dressing room, 3200 02:40:42.280 --> 02:40:44.280 we saw George the Animal Steel walking down the hallway. 3201 02:40:44.479 --> 02:40:46.399 I was the first to speak, George Steel, Wow, you 3202 02:40:46.520 --> 02:40:49.040 really look good tonight. Dick Murdock chimed right in, George, 3203 02:40:49.040 --> 02:40:50.799 you must have been working out. Have you lost some weight? 3204 02:40:51.159 --> 02:40:52.959 George looked at the two of us, hesitated for just 3205 02:40:53.000 --> 02:40:55.719 a moment, then said, listen you to anytime someone comes 3206 02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:57.159 up to me and says, how good I look. I 3207 02:40:57.280 --> 02:40:59.520 know it's a rib. I'm not buying this. Nobody in 3208 02:40:59.600 --> 02:41:02.399 there right tells me I'm looking good. We all three 3209 02:41:02.520 --> 02:41:04.040 had a good laugh in the hallway that night. Dick 3210 02:41:04.079 --> 02:41:06.000 and I told George about all the boys who believed 3211 02:41:06.040 --> 02:41:08.040 we were serious. The call came for Dick to go 3212 02:41:08.120 --> 02:41:09.920 into the ring that night, Marty and I stayed to 3213 02:41:10.000 --> 02:41:12.319 watch his match. I see, so he was in attendance. 3214 02:41:12.840 --> 02:41:13.239 I see. 3215 02:41:13.760 --> 02:41:16.239 Dick was an incredibly strong man. He had natural strength. 3216 02:41:16.280 --> 02:41:18.520 I remember Dick picked up Henry Godwin that night, gave 3217 02:41:18.600 --> 02:41:20.680 him an airplane spin and dumped him over the top rope. 3218 02:41:20.680 --> 02:41:22.520 It was quite a feat for someone whose training regimen 3219 02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:26.000 included lifting more cores beer than dumbbells. It was a 3220 02:41:26.079 --> 02:41:28.120 long drive back to our home in Ocala that night, 3221 02:41:28.200 --> 02:41:30.600 so we left early, thinking we would see Dick again soon. 3222 02:41:30.760 --> 02:41:32.280 On the way back, we laughed about all the good 3223 02:41:32.319 --> 02:41:34.719 times we had just knowing Dick Murdock. 3224 02:41:35.120 --> 02:41:35.959 So, yeah, he was there. 3225 02:41:36.399 --> 02:41:39.239 He thought it was ninety six, But he doesn't need 3226 02:41:39.319 --> 02:41:42.840 to have been in the match. Okay, that's better, that's hilarious. 3227 02:41:48.479 --> 02:41:51.159 Where was I here? That fake? Fake? The plays? By 3228 02:41:51.159 --> 02:41:53.680 the time it was over favorite. Shawn Michaels emerged as 3229 02:41:53.760 --> 02:41:58.000 sole survivor among the thirty wannabes in the Who's Left 3230 02:41:58.040 --> 02:42:02.040 Standing Royal Rumble epoch. He celebrated the teasing Dance the 3231 02:42:02.239 --> 02:42:06.440 Federation Championship match and died the with the Ndertaker, defeating 3232 02:42:06.520 --> 02:42:10.559 Brett Hitmanheart viat us qualification, but the championship can't change 3233 02:42:10.600 --> 02:42:14.000 hands on just qualification, so Heart still has it. The 3234 02:42:14.079 --> 02:42:17.319 Intercontinental Championship match tormented many in the crowd as gold 3235 02:42:17.399 --> 02:42:20.120 Dust beat Razor Ramon only because the one two three 3236 02:42:20.239 --> 02:42:23.079 kid lent a helping hand. The referee didn't even see it. 3237 02:42:23.639 --> 02:42:26.000 The Tag Team Championship went to the Smoking Guns, who 3238 02:42:26.040 --> 02:42:29.280 defeated The Body Donnas, and Ahmed Johnson defeated Double J 3239 02:42:29.440 --> 02:42:33.479 Jeff Jarrett, who was disqualified for smashing a guitar over 3240 02:42:33.639 --> 02:42:39.680 Johnson's head. Great coverage, Jesus Christ Almighty, at. 3241 02:42:39.680 --> 02:42:41.479 Least you got your results in the next day's paper. 3242 02:42:42.159 --> 02:42:43.959 I guess it doesn't always happen when w w F 3243 02:42:43.959 --> 02:42:46.280 would come town in that era. That's true, that is true, 3244 02:42:46.360 --> 02:42:49.120 but that wasn't enough. Finally, just to get the real 3245 02:42:49.280 --> 02:42:51.000 heart of what we're looking for here, because you know, 3246 02:42:51.879 --> 02:42:55.479 I think the editor had had an inkling that when 3247 02:42:55.520 --> 02:42:59.920 he sent Jim Steinberg that he would, Yeah, he'd put 3248 02:42:59.920 --> 02:43:02.200 it was fake in the second paragraph, but he'd also 3249 02:43:02.239 --> 02:43:04.440 get into who won and lost like it was all real, 3250 02:43:04.520 --> 02:43:07.360 and he'd that's just the way he reports on things, right. 3251 02:43:07.559 --> 02:43:10.799 So we've got to send Jacqueline Thornton as well, and 3252 02:43:10.920 --> 02:43:13.680 she's got to do the observe the people and make 3253 02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:16.360 fun of them, Oh boy, color column that we always 3254 02:43:16.399 --> 02:43:18.520 have to do when the Wrestling Circus comes to two, 3255 02:43:18.559 --> 02:43:21.079 No boy, of course. So as it regards the Fresno 3256 02:43:21.200 --> 02:43:24.319 Bees contributions to our understanding of the nineteen ninety six 3257 02:43:24.440 --> 02:43:26.520 Royal Rumble, I present to you solar system and the 3258 02:43:26.559 --> 02:43:29.520 boss does this well. The final word from Jacqueline Thornton 3259 02:43:30.639 --> 02:43:32.399 Royal Welcome to the WWE. 3260 02:43:33.799 --> 02:43:37.840 Why would any mother and yep in her right mind 3261 02:43:37.920 --> 02:43:40.799 take her impressionable young son to see thirty grown men 3262 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:44.280 in bizarre costumes body slamming and tossing each. 3263 02:43:44.159 --> 02:43:45.360 Other out of a wrestling ring. 3264 02:43:47.600 --> 02:43:47.840 Open? 3265 02:43:47.959 --> 02:43:51.520 Beautiful, wonderful, just fucking beautiful. What an opening sendence? Man 3266 02:43:51.799 --> 02:43:54.479 like Jackie, you are an artist. You are a fucking artist. 3267 02:43:55.159 --> 02:43:57.799 It is just it's a pleasure to read your work. 3268 02:43:57.840 --> 02:43:58.920 It's right to the heart of the matter. 3269 02:44:00.000 --> 02:44:02.159 After all, many nights I come home from work to 3270 02:44:02.239 --> 02:44:03.840 a royal rumble in my holy fing room. 3271 02:44:05.440 --> 02:44:05.719 Do what? 3272 02:44:09.680 --> 02:44:09.840 Oh? 3273 02:44:10.079 --> 02:44:11.639 Now we gonna find Jacqueline Thornton. 3274 02:44:12.200 --> 02:44:16.120 Also, I love the best part is that hul Cogin's 3275 02:44:16.159 --> 02:44:18.159 reading all these fucking Fresno articles. 3276 02:44:18.280 --> 02:44:22.239 Okay, he is obsessed with coverage of the other company's space. 3277 02:44:22.799 --> 02:44:25.840 He's just obsessed with coverage. She goes, what what? 3278 02:44:26.600 --> 02:44:26.639 What? 3279 02:44:27.719 --> 02:44:27.760 What? 3280 02:44:29.719 --> 02:44:31.680 Jacqueline Thornton comes home to a world rumble in her 3281 02:44:31.719 --> 02:44:36.319 living room and that that just can't stand and hult 3282 02:44:36.360 --> 02:44:40.680 Cogan's mind without a significant diligence being done. 3283 02:44:41.079 --> 02:44:42.079 I mean, who's booking it? 3284 02:44:42.120 --> 02:44:42.360 Brother? 3285 02:44:42.520 --> 02:44:43.040 Exactly? 3286 02:44:43.239 --> 02:44:45.280 All kinds of questions present themselves at that point. 3287 02:44:46.000 --> 02:44:49.440 I mean who, I mean, first of all, who's this Jacqueline? 3288 02:44:49.479 --> 02:44:49.639 Brother? 3289 02:44:49.680 --> 02:44:50.520 What's going on with this night? 3290 02:44:50.600 --> 02:44:51.879 This is gonna happen in my living room? 3291 02:44:52.000 --> 02:44:52.040 Like? 3292 02:44:52.920 --> 02:44:54.920 Are we saying like is she saying this roar about 3293 02:44:54.959 --> 02:44:58.440 my living room? And that's going on? Metaphor? Are we 3294 02:44:58.479 --> 02:45:02.920 talking about thirty people in my house? Uninvited? Brother rumbling around? 3295 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:03.159 Dude? 3296 02:45:03.200 --> 02:45:03.920 How do you eliminate them? 3297 02:45:04.000 --> 02:45:04.159 Dude? 3298 02:45:04.159 --> 02:45:07.559 What are you talk about? The front door. Who's what's brother, 3299 02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:08.520 who's letting them in? 3300 02:45:08.600 --> 02:45:08.840 Dude? 3301 02:45:08.959 --> 02:45:12.120 Exactly, basket, I'm not letting him in, but yeah, they're 3302 02:45:12.159 --> 02:45:14.280 getting in. She said this. This is a fact. Brother. 3303 02:45:14.920 --> 02:45:16.680 There are people in my house right now having a 3304 02:45:16.760 --> 02:45:17.319 role rumble. 3305 02:45:20.879 --> 02:45:22.360 I just pictured the bel Air house. 3306 02:45:26.559 --> 02:45:31.920 Oh my god, uh my, mint and mauv couch cushions 3307 02:45:32.440 --> 02:45:35.000 strewn about the floor to provide padding in my ten 3308 02:45:35.200 --> 02:45:38.280 almost and almost eight year olds pounding each other's head 3309 02:45:38.719 --> 02:45:42.159 on the floor. I think, first of all, you've got 3310 02:45:42.360 --> 02:45:44.680 more issues than just any kind of rumbling going on. 3311 02:45:44.840 --> 02:45:47.280 It's sounds like a depth of murder. 3312 02:45:50.959 --> 02:45:53.399 All the while the on duty referee is oblivious to 3313 02:45:53.440 --> 02:45:56.280 the actor the action, much like the men in black 3314 02:45:56.360 --> 02:46:04.959 and white shirts at professional matches. Professional matches, well nervous, 3315 02:46:05.319 --> 02:46:09.600 I mean, black and white? Brother, what's going on? What's 3316 02:46:09.639 --> 02:46:13.040 she getting at? Dude? Is a chocolate vanilla milkshake? Or what? Dude? 3317 02:46:13.319 --> 02:46:16.200 Whoa ooh? Brother? Whoa black of white? What's going on? 3318 02:46:16.440 --> 02:46:16.600 Way? 3319 02:46:16.600 --> 02:46:18.559 He said it, well, he said it, black and white? 3320 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:18.760 Brother? 3321 02:46:18.840 --> 02:46:19.319 What's going on? 3322 02:46:19.639 --> 02:46:20.000 Exactly? 3323 02:46:20.120 --> 02:46:22.360 Like you know, who's calling black and white? We're talking 3324 02:46:22.360 --> 02:46:25.120 about balls and strikes like we're we're talking the police 3325 02:46:25.120 --> 02:46:26.239 coming down, brother, Like, what's it is? 3326 02:46:26.719 --> 02:46:28.959 Roddy Piper at Wrestlmingia six? Brother, I mean, what is this? 3327 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:30.639 And where are we getting at? 3328 02:46:30.719 --> 02:46:30.920 Brother? 3329 02:46:31.239 --> 02:46:34.520 What's the dos? Yet? I found myself in the midst 3330 02:46:34.559 --> 02:46:37.920 of ten thousand big time wrestling fans at such as 3331 02:46:37.959 --> 02:46:42.159 World Wrestling Entertainment, Royal Rumble at celend Arena, where I'd 3332 02:46:42.280 --> 02:46:45.360 rather have been reading Jane When I'd rather have been 3333 02:46:45.399 --> 02:46:49.120 reading Jane Austin. Stone called Jane Austin. 3334 02:46:53.399 --> 02:46:58.959 It's like a woman's ripoff promotion in India in nineteen Dude, 3335 02:46:59.239 --> 02:47:01.280 I love this like she had no choice, like they 3336 02:47:01.360 --> 02:47:04.920 assigned her. I love the camp. I love We read 3337 02:47:05.000 --> 02:47:09.440 from an article in Philly at live show. Remember this. 3338 02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:12.000 It was the same thing. They sent a columnist to 3339 02:47:12.079 --> 02:47:15.000 the Philly Mania ninety nine and she came back like 3340 02:47:15.159 --> 02:47:18.319 with all of the fury and venom you could expect 3341 02:47:18.719 --> 02:47:21.079 from like the female columnist in the city. You know 3342 02:47:21.399 --> 02:47:23.840 whose job it is to look at this and just be. 3343 02:47:23.920 --> 02:47:25.799 Like I would have rather been at home in the 3344 02:47:25.959 --> 02:47:28.799 tub with a with a glass of wine and some 3345 02:47:29.000 --> 02:47:29.879 candles and incense. 3346 02:47:30.399 --> 02:47:32.600 We want you to really bring the perspective of somebody 3347 02:47:32.639 --> 02:47:36.239 who's seeing taking this all in with without being necessarily 3348 02:47:36.280 --> 02:47:38.680 a fan of it, but just observing the phenomenon. 3349 02:47:38.239 --> 02:47:38.520 That it is. 3350 02:47:38.600 --> 02:47:41.040 We want the female perspective, right right, We want some 3351 02:47:41.200 --> 02:47:45.040 put your personality in there, but we need definitely have 3352 02:47:45.079 --> 02:47:47.280 the female perspective and see what's going. 3353 02:47:47.079 --> 02:47:49.719 On compared to your own life, you know, and don't 3354 02:47:49.760 --> 02:47:51.879 be afraid to express your own thoughts about it. I 3355 02:47:51.920 --> 02:47:55.280 think people love to read that stuff you represent, you know, 3356 02:47:55.799 --> 02:47:57.239 the average woman in Fresno here. 3357 02:47:57.399 --> 02:48:03.920 I think. However, as soon as a British gent in 3358 02:48:04.120 --> 02:48:08.840 tails strutted into the ring to the music of clavichord, 3359 02:48:09.920 --> 02:48:13.280 so she thinks, I guess. So I believe it's a 3360 02:48:13.280 --> 02:48:17.040 harpsichord clavichord, but maybe it's a harp clavio chord. I 3361 02:48:17.079 --> 02:48:20.239 don't know. I was hooked. This might not be so bad, 3362 02:48:20.319 --> 02:48:23.319 I rationalized for getting that body slams contradict everything I 3363 02:48:23.440 --> 02:48:27.399 teach my sons, like not communicating with fisties and feet. 3364 02:48:29.000 --> 02:48:31.319 But perhaps there are some lessons to be learned in 3365 02:48:31.399 --> 02:48:34.120 a wrestling ring too, I thought, while my seven year 3366 02:48:34.159 --> 02:48:38.719 old booed and screamed quote, I hate you gold dust 3367 02:48:38.799 --> 02:48:42.440 to a decidedly effeminate wrestler clad in gold, wearing a 3368 02:48:42.600 --> 02:48:45.239 platinum wig and swishing into the ring. 3369 02:48:47.559 --> 02:48:47.879 Quote. 3370 02:48:48.079 --> 02:48:52.040 Now this is entertainment, remarked my classics professor husband. This 3371 02:48:52.239 --> 02:48:56.319 is better. Now, this is entertainment. This is better than 3372 02:48:56.319 --> 02:48:59.799 a la news. Well, I know he wasn't much of 3373 02:48:59.799 --> 02:49:06.760 a champion, but yeah, but I digress back to rationalizations. 3374 02:49:06.799 --> 02:49:09.280 A free for all with thirty wrestlers with an attitude 3375 02:49:09.639 --> 02:49:12.319 attempting to throw each other out of a ring could teach, 3376 02:49:12.440 --> 02:49:15.479 for instance, quote or no, this is number one. Good 3377 02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:18.639 guys generally end up on top. Most matches pit good 3378 02:49:18.680 --> 02:49:21.120 against evil. The rumble just throws the forces of good 3379 02:49:21.159 --> 02:49:22.799 and bad into the ring all at once. 3380 02:49:22.920 --> 02:49:24.920 We just want you to observe this phenomenon. You know, 3381 02:49:25.120 --> 02:49:26.200 comment on what you see. 3382 02:49:26.239 --> 02:49:29.360 What are the rules? What's this? How does it affect 3383 02:49:29.520 --> 02:49:29.680 you know? 3384 02:49:29.959 --> 02:49:31.360 You know, are there morals? 3385 02:49:31.719 --> 02:49:34.040 You know? What's the morality play going on? Oh God, 3386 02:49:34.760 --> 02:49:39.079 cheating doesn't pay. Even when evil overcomes, he's usually disqualified 3387 02:49:39.159 --> 02:49:42.120 for cheating. He by the way, he not And you 3388 02:49:42.200 --> 02:49:47.719 know evil is pronounced a he. Yes. Sometimes authority is 3389 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:49.680 weak and looks the other way. So you need to 3390 02:49:49.760 --> 02:49:52.559 depend on your inner strength to do what's right during 3391 02:49:52.600 --> 02:49:55.840 a rumble warm up tag team match, The Smoking Guns 3392 02:49:55.959 --> 02:49:59.639 played by the rules despite the referees blindness, and still 3393 02:49:59.719 --> 02:50:02.719 ended up the victors. If you hang onto the ropes 3394 02:50:02.799 --> 02:50:05.559 long enough, you might just win. Seawn Michaels, known as 3395 02:50:05.600 --> 02:50:08.639 the Heartbreak Kid and an obvious favorite of the fans, 3396 02:50:08.719 --> 02:50:11.399 twisted and turned at least a dozen times on the ropes, 3397 02:50:11.719 --> 02:50:13.680 only to hold on and become the champion. 3398 02:50:13.959 --> 02:50:16.079 She couldn't tell the difference between the rules of a 3399 02:50:16.120 --> 02:50:17.479 regular match and the Royal Rumbles. 3400 02:50:17.639 --> 02:50:18.040 I guess not. 3401 02:50:18.360 --> 02:50:22.920 She thinks you win matches and championships no less. Yeah, yep, 3402 02:50:23.120 --> 02:50:26.360 apparently you imagine going to a Royal Rubble event and 3403 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:28.319 not being able to tell the difference between the Rumble 3404 02:50:28.360 --> 02:50:29.120 match and all the rest. 3405 02:50:28.959 --> 02:50:30.840 Of the matches. Now, wait a minute, how come they're 3406 02:50:30.879 --> 02:50:34.040 not hitting each other? I don't understand. Talk about rest now, Mommy, 3407 02:50:34.600 --> 02:50:36.879 they get tossed out? How come they're not being counted out? 3408 02:50:38.079 --> 02:50:39.680 I think you know what? Honestly, the Royal Rumble is 3409 02:50:39.719 --> 02:50:42.159 the one match that she knows the rules for, right, Like, 3410 02:50:42.280 --> 02:50:44.120 she actually knows that one because she knows when I 3411 02:50:44.200 --> 02:50:45.479 was a kid, Like she can remember when I was 3412 02:50:45.479 --> 02:50:48.000 a kid, it was my favorite, right, So she kind 3413 02:50:48.000 --> 02:50:54.079 of knows that one for sure. And last, but not least, 3414 02:50:54.120 --> 02:50:56.200 it's better to be a good sport than to sucker 3415 02:50:56.280 --> 02:50:59.399 punch the winner. After Michael's beat Big Daddy cool the 3416 02:50:59.479 --> 02:51:02.079 big guy, I still hit him with a high five 3417 02:51:02.159 --> 02:51:05.360 instead of a blow to the ribs. That's cool, okay, 3418 02:51:05.399 --> 02:51:09.239 And one more okay, and one more thing looks can 3419 02:51:09.360 --> 02:51:12.840 be deceiving. I snobbly assumed I'd prefer masterpiece theater, but 3420 02:51:13.000 --> 02:51:16.920 there's a lot of fun theater in big time wrestling too. 3421 02:51:20.000 --> 02:51:24.079 The Fresno Bee on the case, Jackie, I thought you 3422 02:51:24.200 --> 02:51:28.559 knew that we knew each other. I'm sorry to say 3423 02:51:28.600 --> 02:51:30.520 it's open get done. 3424 02:51:35.959 --> 02:51:38.079 So was the Fresno Bee's coverage of the nineteen ninety 3425 02:51:38.079 --> 02:51:41.840 six Royal Rumble. If that isn't like the ultimate exhibit 3426 02:51:42.000 --> 02:51:44.600 of what you have had to deal with, and they 3427 02:51:44.600 --> 02:51:47.159 can Ah, if you're gonna get coverage, it's gonna have 3428 02:51:47.280 --> 02:51:50.479 all this shit in it, all these pot shots and 3429 02:51:50.600 --> 02:51:54.239 Jarndice eyes and oh my god, it started as a 3430 02:51:54.280 --> 02:51:58.200 shot and it ended with her observing with her classics 3431 02:51:58.239 --> 02:52:01.520 professor husband that uh, you hold on to the ropes 3432 02:52:01.559 --> 02:52:05.319 to win oh championship? And who was that person? That 3433 02:52:05.399 --> 02:52:06.799 was holding ont of those ropes to win. It was 3434 02:52:06.840 --> 02:52:09.879 Shawn Michaels. And were you ready for Shawn. 3435 02:52:09.719 --> 02:52:11.680 Michaels to become a hulk Hogan back in ninety six 3436 02:52:11.760 --> 02:52:12.520 rumble boss? Where we. 3437 02:52:14.200 --> 02:52:14.479 I? I? 3438 02:52:14.799 --> 02:52:18.600 I didn't. I was happy that he was a babyface, 3439 02:52:20.120 --> 02:52:22.159 but I was still Diesel was my guy. He was 3440 02:52:22.200 --> 02:52:25.799 gonna win the Rumble and it hurt my fucking soul. Yeah, 3441 02:52:26.159 --> 02:52:28.040 when he got to be the last one and then 3442 02:52:28.120 --> 02:52:28.719 get just so. 3443 02:52:28.799 --> 02:52:30.639 You were still the frame of mind that like all 3444 02:52:30.760 --> 02:52:35.159 roads lead back to Diesel getting the title. Oh yep, 3445 02:52:35.840 --> 02:52:36.440 like I to. 3446 02:52:36.520 --> 02:52:38.440 Me, to me, it made it to me. It's kind 3447 02:52:38.440 --> 02:52:41.360 of It's so funny how you you know, you think 3448 02:52:41.440 --> 02:52:46.920 in your mind like there's this like I felt the 3449 02:52:47.000 --> 02:52:50.319 same way about Luger in the ninety five Rumble, Like 3450 02:52:50.840 --> 02:52:53.520 he's going to win, right, he needs to win this. 3451 02:52:54.520 --> 02:52:58.440 He's obviously the guy to win the championship. It's like, 3452 02:52:58.600 --> 02:53:01.479 makes no sense, what are you talking about? You know, 3453 02:53:01.600 --> 02:53:04.200 like if you took in ninety four ninety five, he 3454 02:53:04.319 --> 02:53:05.600 was the guy to win a ninety five in your 3455 02:53:05.639 --> 02:53:08.319 mind absolutely, because he was my whole Cogan still wow. 3456 02:53:08.959 --> 02:53:12.239 You know, like he was he did nothing in the Wrestlemandia. 3457 02:53:12.399 --> 02:53:14.799 It did nothing, nothing at all. I mean, he was 3458 02:53:15.639 --> 02:53:18.799 he you know, like as I was waiting, I was 3459 02:53:18.879 --> 02:53:21.479 like ready for him to win the Royal Rumble and 3460 02:53:22.040 --> 02:53:24.399 you know, and then slaughter to Tonka and call it 3461 02:53:24.479 --> 02:53:25.879 a day and then then you know, and then win 3462 02:53:25.920 --> 02:53:27.719 the championship. Like obviously that's going to be the way 3463 02:53:27.719 --> 02:53:30.200 they play it out. You know, who else are they 3464 02:53:30.239 --> 02:53:33.760 going to fucking put over? Right? Nobody else feels like Cogan, No, 3465 02:53:33.959 --> 02:53:36.920 not at all. And the same thing with Diesel, Like 3466 02:53:37.079 --> 02:53:39.559 I I, you know, there might have been a part 3467 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:44.520 of me that that thought, you know, Sean Michaels was 3468 02:53:44.559 --> 02:53:46.879 going to win. But man, I was like, to me, 3469 02:53:47.000 --> 02:53:51.520 it just made sense that Diesel would win and he'd 3470 02:53:51.559 --> 02:53:54.920 go after the championship. And in a weird way, part 3471 02:53:54.959 --> 02:53:58.879 of me even thought that, uh, Diesel would win the 3472 02:53:59.360 --> 02:54:03.360 next month's match, the cage the Cage match, and it 3473 02:54:03.399 --> 02:54:06.360 would be Shawn Michaels versus uh, you know. To me, 3474 02:54:06.840 --> 02:54:09.319 to me, it's it's kind of funny. Like of course, 3475 02:54:09.399 --> 02:54:10.799 you look at it if you look at it differently, 3476 02:54:10.840 --> 02:54:12.479 you look at Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart, they're the 3477 02:54:12.559 --> 02:54:16.639 two they're the two best wrestlers in the company at 3478 02:54:16.680 --> 02:54:19.200 the time, hands down, and so of course you want 3479 02:54:19.200 --> 02:54:20.799 to see them go at it. But in my mind, 3480 02:54:22.159 --> 02:54:25.520 I've already seen that. I saw it someer, I mean, 3481 02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:27.399 even though I've already seen Diesel versus. But I'll tell 3482 02:54:27.399 --> 02:54:28.959 you what the difference was. I'd never seen Diesel and 3483 02:54:28.959 --> 02:54:32.319 Shawn Michaels actually may have been a WrestleMania, but I saw. 3484 02:54:32.479 --> 02:54:34.399 I was like I saw Sean Michaels and Brett Hart. 3485 02:54:34.440 --> 02:54:35.040 They did their thing. 3486 02:54:35.440 --> 02:54:37.200 You didn't see Sean Michaels and Diesel may have been 3487 02:54:37.200 --> 02:54:38.239 wrestled Mania the year before. 3488 02:54:38.920 --> 02:54:47.719 They didn't an event Lawrence Taylormane event with bam Man Bigelow. Okay, 3489 02:54:48.799 --> 02:54:52.239 So yeah, that's that's you know, to me, that's the rematch, 3490 02:54:52.360 --> 02:54:54.959 not Shawn Michaels Brett Hart. Because also you know, in 3491 02:54:55.040 --> 02:54:57.239 my mind too, it's it's so weird. 3492 02:54:57.520 --> 02:54:58.200 It is weird. 3493 02:54:58.280 --> 02:55:01.319 How I don't know, I feel like maybe I'm different 3494 02:55:01.639 --> 02:55:03.520 to go along with the Jake the snake thing being 3495 02:55:03.559 --> 02:55:07.600 a heel. It's like, to me, those things mattered more 3496 02:55:07.719 --> 02:55:10.639 than they probably did to anybody else, right, Like to me, 3497 02:55:12.280 --> 02:55:14.760 Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart feuded all summer ninety two. 3498 02:55:14.840 --> 02:55:18.159 To me, that's a fucking has been. That's an old thing, Like, 3499 02:55:18.200 --> 02:55:20.319 who wants to go back to that? I've seen it. 3500 02:55:21.680 --> 02:55:24.079 To me, the ideas I've seen Shawn Michaels and Diesel once. 3501 02:55:24.840 --> 02:55:26.360 I want to see it again. But now the story 3502 02:55:26.440 --> 02:55:30.680 is different, you know, like I don't you know, don't 3503 02:55:30.760 --> 02:55:34.200 I never I never thought of it, like Brett Hart 3504 02:55:34.200 --> 02:55:36.639 and Shawn Michaels, like that was the big money matchup right. 3505 02:55:37.719 --> 02:55:41.440 It always felt a little eh, okay, you say so 3506 02:55:41.959 --> 02:55:42.639 so interesting. 3507 02:55:42.920 --> 02:55:43.079 I know. 3508 02:55:43.239 --> 02:55:46.840 It's weird, right, the things, the lenses we watch these 3509 02:55:46.879 --> 02:55:48.440 matches through, you know, Like. 3510 02:55:48.520 --> 02:55:52.959 I wonder how many people even thought of ninety two 3511 02:55:53.959 --> 02:55:58.040 when ninety six rolled around. Probably nobody, nobody, just me, 3512 02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:02.239 Probably because I'd watched those shows a million times, and 3513 02:56:02.319 --> 02:56:05.239 I've watched my tapes of those shows a million times. 3514 02:56:05.639 --> 02:56:07.360 That show once when had happened, Like, there's no way 3515 02:56:07.399 --> 02:56:08.879 that occurs to you four years later. 3516 02:56:09.000 --> 02:56:11.159 Right, But I watched, I watched the SURVIVIORCE series I 3517 02:56:11.239 --> 02:56:14.840 need to a million times. I watched, you know, and 3518 02:56:14.920 --> 02:56:20.879 I watched my my recorded you know, the the vhs 3519 02:56:20.959 --> 02:56:24.079 that i'd recorded all my my weekly television on that 3520 02:56:24.239 --> 02:56:26.200 I just recorded like maybe two or three weeks worth. 3521 02:56:26.239 --> 02:56:28.879 Like that's with the with the Saturday Night's main event. 3522 02:56:28.879 --> 02:56:34.000 I'd watched it a million million times and it was 3523 02:56:36.559 --> 02:56:39.239 and so I'd seen, you know, coming up with the 3524 02:56:39.280 --> 02:56:44.239 Boston Garden Shawn Michaels versus Brett Hart for the Inconnaal Championship. 3525 02:56:44.280 --> 02:56:46.840 So in my mind, that's the thing that's been said 3526 02:56:46.959 --> 02:56:48.559 over and over and over and over again. So like 3527 02:56:48.639 --> 02:56:52.799 to me, that few just like was non NonStop, and 3528 02:56:52.959 --> 02:56:55.920 so it's like it's it's it's old to me and 3529 02:56:56.040 --> 02:56:58.319 it's funny. But the next year it's all different. I'm like, yeah, 3530 02:56:58.360 --> 02:57:01.959 these guys fucking gotta go again. But yeah, it's weird. 3531 02:57:02.799 --> 02:57:04.879 Well, Sean is a regard Sewan and where he was at, 3532 02:57:05.000 --> 02:57:07.280 and we've probably read from this excerpt from his first 3533 02:57:07.319 --> 02:57:09.799 book many times, but man, if the Royalm in nine 3534 02:57:09.879 --> 02:57:12.000 ninety six and his victory there doesn't put us right 3535 02:57:12.079 --> 02:57:15.120 in that vortex. If Sewan becoming the guy, I don't 3536 02:57:15.120 --> 02:57:17.360 know what show it would be. We're certainly for something. 3537 02:57:17.559 --> 02:57:19.600 Twelve is so deeply in our past at this point, 3538 02:57:20.079 --> 02:57:23.040 we weren't even on the tip of like necessarily reading 3539 02:57:23.079 --> 02:57:25.159 from the books and stuff back then. Yeah, right, so 3540 02:57:25.280 --> 02:57:26.840 let's set it up here. 3541 02:57:27.760 --> 02:57:28.079 He right. 3542 02:57:28.200 --> 02:57:30.520 Sometime in the fall of nineteen ninety five, Vince decided 3543 02:57:30.520 --> 02:57:32.399 to change course and Brett hartbeat Kevin for the World 3544 02:57:32.440 --> 02:57:33.559 Rustling Federation Championship. 3545 02:57:33.559 --> 02:57:34.399 It's RIBS series. 3546 02:57:34.959 --> 02:57:36.360 You can tell I just watched this show because I 3547 02:57:36.399 --> 02:57:40.840 say World Rustling Federation the way Sean does. I don't 3548 02:57:40.879 --> 02:57:42.879 know why this happened. Business wasn't great, but it had 3549 02:57:42.920 --> 02:57:44.680 picked up a little during Kevin's run. Maybe it was 3550 02:57:44.680 --> 02:57:46.879 because WCW was coming on strong and Vince felt he 3551 02:57:46.920 --> 02:57:49.040 needed to shake things up. They had Hogan and Savage, 3552 02:57:49.079 --> 02:57:51.520 plus all their mainstays like Brick Flair. Eric Bischoff is 3553 02:57:51.600 --> 02:57:53.920 running WW. When he decided to put on ww's Nitro 3554 02:57:54.200 --> 02:57:56.639 opposite Raw for the first time, we had direct competition 3555 02:57:56.719 --> 02:57:58.760 in our time slot. I'm sure Vince sents that he 3556 02:57:58.840 --> 02:58:00.879 needed to do something. I know Vince didn't plan on 3557 02:58:01.000 --> 02:58:02.719 keeping the title on Brett for long, because it was 3558 02:58:02.760 --> 02:58:04.760 about that time that Vince told me he wanted me 3559 02:58:05.079 --> 02:58:08.120 to beat Brett at WrestleMania twelve. So Sean saying as 3560 02:58:08.399 --> 02:58:10.319 far out as the fall of ninety five, Boss that 3561 02:58:10.399 --> 02:58:13.360 the yeow Vince thought we were both great wrestlers and 3562 02:58:13.440 --> 02:58:14.879 that we could put on a heck of a show. 3563 02:58:14.959 --> 02:58:16.840 He commented on how hard I had worked, how I 3564 02:58:16.959 --> 02:58:18.840 earned and deserved the title. He also told me to 3565 02:58:18.920 --> 02:58:21.280 keep it quiet. He still had to doctor Brett about it. 3566 02:58:21.360 --> 02:58:23.719 He said, Brett will be fine, He'll do business. Brett's 3567 02:58:23.719 --> 02:58:26.120 good about that. I felt great to know Vince thought 3568 02:58:26.159 --> 02:58:27.799 so highly of me that I could be the man 3569 02:58:27.920 --> 02:58:29.920 the company was going to go with. I wasn't going 3570 02:58:30.000 --> 02:58:32.399 to do any celebrating yet. However, I'd been around long 3571 02:58:32.479 --> 02:58:34.280 enough to know that anything can happen and that things 3572 02:58:34.319 --> 02:58:36.959 could change in the blink of an eyelash. After Owen 3573 02:58:37.040 --> 02:58:38.559 knocked me out, I took two months off from the 3574 02:58:38.639 --> 02:58:40.639 ring and came back at the Royal Rumble. Anytime you 3575 02:58:40.680 --> 02:58:42.440 take time off from TV, you come back fresh in 3576 02:58:42.479 --> 02:58:45.200 the fans mines. This was important because I was now 3577 02:58:45.239 --> 02:58:48.840 a babyface. My heroic comeback from post concussion syndrome insured that, 3578 02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:51.600 and I needed the fans behind me. It was essential 3579 02:58:51.639 --> 02:58:53.360 that I build up as much momentum as I quick 3580 02:58:53.680 --> 02:58:56.200 as I could, as quickly as I could, I wasn't 3581 02:58:56.200 --> 02:58:58.079 going to top last year's wire to wire win in 3582 02:58:58.120 --> 02:59:00.639 the Brumble, but I had to win. Entered thirty two 3583 02:59:00.639 --> 02:59:02.840 minutes into the match and won twenty five minutes later 3584 02:59:02.879 --> 02:59:05.239 after super kicking Kevin out. But the win, I heared 3585 02:59:05.239 --> 02:59:07.559 a title shot against Brett Hart. It was Vince who 3586 02:59:07.600 --> 02:59:09.639 came up with the idea to go with the boyhood 3587 02:59:09.680 --> 02:59:12.280 dream storyline for WrestleMania, and they certainly hit that hard 3588 02:59:12.319 --> 02:59:15.559 on commentary on this show, don't they. Man, Vince brings 3589 02:59:15.879 --> 02:59:18.799 his boy, Oh my god, twelve year old boy, blah 3590 02:59:18.840 --> 02:59:21.639 blah blah oh, and that was like a story where 3591 02:59:21.639 --> 02:59:23.399 he saw wrestling on TV for the first time when 3592 02:59:23.399 --> 02:59:25.719 he was twelve. He remembers that he tells that story 3593 02:59:25.719 --> 02:59:27.719 a bunch of times. He brought me one day and 3594 02:59:27.799 --> 02:59:29.760 said he brought me in one day, Vince did and said, 3595 02:59:29.879 --> 02:59:31.840 I want to tell your whole story, how you wanted 3596 02:59:31.879 --> 02:59:33.680 to be a wrestler since you were twelve, your dream 3597 02:59:33.760 --> 02:59:35.840 to be a champion, and all the ups and downs 3598 02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:37.719 of your career to get to this point. There's nothing 3599 02:59:37.760 --> 02:59:41.680 better than that. It's true, it's real, and we're on 3600 02:59:41.840 --> 02:59:45.360 our way. What do you remember thinking about Brett Sean 3601 02:59:45.440 --> 02:59:49.319 wentning back to back rumbles Dum that was a that 3602 02:59:49.520 --> 02:59:53.520 was Ferstin's Hogan. Yeah, I how it feel. 3603 02:59:54.000 --> 02:59:57.600 Um, it didn't bother me as much, Like that didn't 3604 02:59:57.639 --> 03:00:00.840 really occur to me as much because so much had 3605 03:00:00.959 --> 03:00:04.760 happened and changed since ninety five, you know, like he 3606 03:00:05.079 --> 03:00:06.879 made a complete Yeah, it didn't really feel like it 3607 03:00:06.959 --> 03:00:08.639 was Sean winning twice in a row because it was 3608 03:00:08.760 --> 03:00:11.959 right exactly. It didn't. It felt different. 3609 03:00:12.719 --> 03:00:28.600 It's a lap ball wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 3610 03:00:28.760 --> 03:00:30.399 knows the boys need their candy. 3611 03:00:31.120 --> 03:00:32.200 It's the Lapsed Fan. 3612 03:00:46.879 --> 03:00:50.799 He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco 3613 03:00:51.200 --> 03:00:52.200 and JP Soro. 3614 03:00:52.879 --> 03:00:56.280 So, uh, you know, I I it didn't bother me. 3615 03:00:56.840 --> 03:00:58.879 It didn't bother me that much. It didn't. It didn't 3616 03:00:58.879 --> 03:01:01.239 even really I I don't even know. I mean, I know, 3617 03:01:01.360 --> 03:01:04.000 I knew that it happened, but I don't know. Something else, 3618 03:01:06.079 --> 03:01:08.319 something something about it just didn't. It just seemed like 3619 03:01:08.319 --> 03:01:09.120 the same way like Hogan. 3620 03:01:09.280 --> 03:01:11.799 It seemed like more than twelve months past between these 3621 03:01:11.840 --> 03:01:14.120 two weeks exactly because it was such a drastic difference, 3622 03:01:14.120 --> 03:01:17.200 because he went through the whole cycle of winning ninety five, 3623 03:01:17.280 --> 03:01:20.600 losing WrestleMania, falling out with the IC title due to 3624 03:01:20.639 --> 03:01:23.200 the concussion and them telling us as an audience he'd 3625 03:01:23.239 --> 03:01:25.360 never wrestle again. So by the time he came back, 3626 03:01:25.440 --> 03:01:27.440 it seemed like the Sewn that won the ninety five 3627 03:01:27.520 --> 03:01:30.280 Rumble was ten years in the past. I really remember 3628 03:01:30.319 --> 03:01:32.680 feeling that way about it at least. Yeah, and you know, 3629 03:01:32.799 --> 03:01:35.200 for Shawn, he goes in a WrestleMania eleven. Clearly the 3630 03:01:35.239 --> 03:01:37.120 fan favored against Diesel, and the fans want to see 3631 03:01:37.200 --> 03:01:39.159 him win the title. Yeah, so they just fucking did 3632 03:01:39.200 --> 03:01:41.079 it the next year. You know, that's pretty much the 3633 03:01:41.120 --> 03:01:41.559 story there. 3634 03:01:42.120 --> 03:01:42.360 Yeah. 3635 03:01:42.680 --> 03:01:44.680 We hear on the Rumble broadcast as well as on 3636 03:01:44.719 --> 03:01:46.600 Monday Night Ron the week's leading into the show from 3637 03:01:46.639 --> 03:01:48.719 a certain doctor, Jeffrey Hunger Boss. 3638 03:01:48.719 --> 03:01:51.600 He's oh my god, oh my god. This guy provide 3639 03:01:51.639 --> 03:01:52.040 us no. 3640 03:01:52.120 --> 03:01:55.040 Shortage of medical updates and contradictory medical updates on Shawn Michaels. 3641 03:01:55.120 --> 03:01:57.200 This guy went from appearing on television in the fall 3642 03:01:57.200 --> 03:01:59.639 of nineteen ninety five telling us that Shawn Michaels should 3643 03:01:59.719 --> 03:02:03.639 and should not, should not rather ever wrestle again due 3644 03:02:03.680 --> 03:02:06.239 to the concussion, to telling us he's one hundred percent 3645 03:02:06.360 --> 03:02:10.040 two months later and showing us that he's some in tiptop. 3646 03:02:09.680 --> 03:02:11.760 Shape to enter the r A. What a great fucking 3647 03:02:11.799 --> 03:02:12.559 doctor this guy is. 3648 03:02:12.559 --> 03:02:14.760 And it got me wondering who is this guy? Yes, 3649 03:02:15.000 --> 03:02:16.600 it's his deal and he shows up in the in 3650 03:02:16.639 --> 03:02:18.280 the press a bit. This is an article from the 3651 03:02:18.360 --> 03:02:21.200 Chino Champion. He's a doctor out of Chino, California from 3652 03:02:21.280 --> 03:02:24.399 twenty oh one doct Jeff Unger Chino physician who takes 3653 03:02:24.440 --> 03:02:27.559 away the hurt from World Wrestling Foundation patients. 3654 03:02:27.600 --> 03:02:29.280 That's right, Ustas Foundation. 3655 03:02:30.079 --> 03:02:30.399 Wow. 3656 03:02:30.799 --> 03:02:33.559 It was featured apparently on KCOP channel thirteen this week 3657 03:02:33.600 --> 03:02:36.079 for his work with the pro grapplers. Doctor Runger discussed 3658 03:02:36.520 --> 03:02:38.959 the painful conditions brought on by the constant slamming and 3659 03:02:39.000 --> 03:02:41.920 aggressive moves of the fighters. His Chino office walls, boss, 3660 03:02:42.079 --> 03:02:44.760 you guessed it are covered with w W photographs to 3661 03:02:44.799 --> 03:02:47.799 pick the wrestlers at their best. So he's the mark 3662 03:02:47.879 --> 03:02:48.920 doctor on the West coast. 3663 03:02:49.399 --> 03:02:51.040 You know. That's fucking hilarious. 3664 03:02:51.079 --> 03:02:53.159 Not to suggest he's doing anything he shouldn't, but he's 3665 03:02:53.200 --> 03:02:57.760 definitely a guy the wrestlers can count on for perhaps 3666 03:02:57.840 --> 03:03:03.360 some uh candy, favorable treatment, some Halloween candy. If there's 3667 03:03:03.399 --> 03:03:05.079 a wrestler I need to go to to tell me 3668 03:03:05.200 --> 03:03:07.600 that despite my concussion at the hands of a series 3669 03:03:07.680 --> 03:03:11.079 of marines beating my ass in Syracuse, I should still 3670 03:03:11.079 --> 03:03:13.319 be able to oh my god. But it's just I 3671 03:03:13.440 --> 03:03:15.879 love the fact that there are these doctors around the 3672 03:03:15.920 --> 03:03:18.360 country that they can count on to say whatever needs 3673 03:03:18.399 --> 03:03:21.040 to be said on television. That it never concurs to 3674 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:23.000 these doctors that maybe it's sent or not a little 3675 03:03:23.079 --> 03:03:23.680 unethical to. 3676 03:03:24.680 --> 03:03:26.959 But you're being an actor. It's you're not giving a 3677 03:03:27.040 --> 03:03:29.440 true diagnosis. It's just it's a it's a it's a part. 3678 03:03:29.559 --> 03:03:34.159 You're playing a character. Yeah, very different. I want to 3679 03:03:34.159 --> 03:03:35.600 do it. You want to be on TV? I thoughts 3680 03:03:35.639 --> 03:03:37.239 you want to be you want to be an actor. 3681 03:03:37.280 --> 03:03:39.399 I thought I saw that spark in your eye, you know, 3682 03:03:39.520 --> 03:03:42.319 I saw a little twinkle, a little twinkle going on, 3683 03:03:42.399 --> 03:03:44.319 and I said, this guy, this is the guy we 3684 03:03:44.399 --> 03:03:47.639 need that television. That's right, you know, I mean twinkles 3685 03:03:47.639 --> 03:03:50.920 put smiles on faces. And I can tell you have 3686 03:03:51.120 --> 03:03:55.159 that desire turned out talk to desire for Smileage. 3687 03:03:54.760 --> 03:03:57.959 Had been at it for for quite a while with 3688 03:03:58.079 --> 03:03:59.959 the WWF. Here's an article, boss, if you could please 3689 03:04:00.159 --> 03:04:03.440 gale the solar system. You've got three pages there, the 3690 03:04:03.520 --> 03:04:07.079 beginning of the article on the end from the Chino Champion, 3691 03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:10.239 the forementioned paper in Chino, California. It's from nineteen ninety 3692 03:04:10.680 --> 03:04:13.559 and it's going to get us acquainted with this doctor 3693 03:04:13.600 --> 03:04:16.319 Jeff Hunger character we see during the nineteen ninety six 3694 03:04:16.440 --> 03:04:21.479 Royal Rumble broadcast okay, which by the way, of course, 3695 03:04:21.520 --> 03:04:23.680 begins with sunt. 3696 03:04:26.760 --> 03:04:28.840 I know he got a great, I mean quite a 3697 03:04:28.920 --> 03:04:32.879 great intro package, so wonderful. It's the way it should be. 3698 03:04:33.879 --> 03:04:36.280 That sound and the you know, watching this show a 3699 03:04:36.360 --> 03:04:39.120 million times is probably why that's burned into my mind, 3700 03:04:39.159 --> 03:04:41.920 as well as the ultimate course WWE pre show package 3701 03:04:41.959 --> 03:04:48.799 theme and if the you know, if life are fair guy, Yeah, 3702 03:04:48.879 --> 03:04:50.760 they get the voice over to it's all black and. 3703 03:04:50.799 --> 03:04:56.360 White, yeap Champion, stuff like that, because that is up. 3704 03:04:57.959 --> 03:05:03.319 Just call him the pro wrestling doc. Yep, the massive 3705 03:05:03.440 --> 03:05:07.920 professional wrestler towers over the Chino physician. Quote. 3706 03:05:08.680 --> 03:05:11.200 We need to draw blood, says the doctor. 3707 03:05:11.319 --> 03:05:14.079 Oh, the doctor, not the wrestler. Okay, says the doctor. 3708 03:05:14.440 --> 03:05:17.040 Looking at the giant of a man he's examining. Suddenly 3709 03:05:17.440 --> 03:05:21.040 the size differential doesn't seems almost non existent, and all 3710 03:05:21.040 --> 03:05:24.200 of a sudden, the giant of a man takes out 3711 03:05:24.200 --> 03:05:24.920 a razorblade. 3712 03:05:25.520 --> 03:05:27.639 Yeah, it's funny because you got the doctor telling the wrestler, 3713 03:05:27.680 --> 03:05:30.360 we need to draw blood, whereas at the nineteen ninety 3714 03:05:30.440 --> 03:05:33.520 nine Halloween Haavoc it was Sid telling the doctor that. 3715 03:05:35.520 --> 03:05:38.760 And also I imagine Vince Russo telling Sid that you 3716 03:05:38.879 --> 03:05:40.120 need the blood to draw. 3717 03:05:41.520 --> 03:05:42.000 Exactly. 3718 03:05:43.000 --> 03:05:44.520 Yeah, you know, all kinds of fun with that one. 3719 03:05:44.920 --> 03:05:49.319 Yeah, Suddenly the size differential seems almost non existent. If 3720 03:05:49.360 --> 03:05:53.000 this were in the ring, the doctor Jeff Unger would 3721 03:05:53.040 --> 03:05:56.760 probably be cracked across the face with a forearm smash, 3722 03:05:57.239 --> 03:06:03.000 slammed onto the mat bi a ultrasuplex. What now, a 3723 03:06:03.280 --> 03:06:06.520 ultra supplex not even fucking right grammar. There should be 3724 03:06:06.559 --> 03:06:10.840 an ultrasuplex, but it's a ultrasuplex. Then, when placed in 3725 03:06:10.959 --> 03:06:13.680 the grips of the agonizing figure four, leg Lock forced 3726 03:06:13.719 --> 03:06:15.799 to give up all hopes of sticking the. 3727 03:06:15.799 --> 03:06:16.639 Sky with a needle. 3728 03:06:17.440 --> 03:06:20.879 That man, I mean, I think you listen, those hopes 3729 03:06:20.920 --> 03:06:26.440 are always there, exactly, but they're not in the famed 3730 03:06:26.600 --> 03:06:29.920 squared circle of the Worldlessing Entertainment. The two are backstage 3731 03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:32.959 at the Los Angeles Sports Arena, where doctor Unger, not 3732 03:06:33.200 --> 03:06:37.280 doctor Deaf, is in charge. I didn't know Steve Williams 3733 03:06:37.319 --> 03:06:41.879 was there, pointing to a chair where his assistant Angie Acosta, 3734 03:06:42.920 --> 03:06:47.360 sounds like a wrestling name. Yeah, honestly, or Angie the Acosta, 3735 03:06:47.440 --> 03:06:48.159 I suppose. 3736 03:06:48.079 --> 03:06:51.200 Like somebody on the unlike the drive time hip hop station. 3737 03:06:51.399 --> 03:06:54.040 Yes place he plays the. 3738 03:06:59.760 --> 03:07:01.799 Plea in the heads w do do do do do? 3739 03:07:01.920 --> 03:07:02.479 Do do doo? 3740 03:07:02.879 --> 03:07:03.280 So good? 3741 03:07:04.200 --> 03:07:05.760 Uh is waiting needle in hand? 3742 03:07:06.879 --> 03:07:07.680 Yeah? Wow? 3743 03:07:08.040 --> 03:07:09.879 Do they really let the reporter of the room for this? 3744 03:07:10.399 --> 03:07:13.760 I know, seriously. Doctor Hunger signs the papers that will 3745 03:07:13.760 --> 03:07:16.920 allow the wrestler to go on tonight, assuming everything checks 3746 03:07:16.959 --> 03:07:20.200 out okay in his blood test and other parts of 3747 03:07:20.280 --> 03:07:22.959 his physical Meanwhile, on the other side of the room, 3748 03:07:23.000 --> 03:07:26.159 another towering pro wrestler is talking to Doctor Hunger's colleague, 3749 03:07:26.559 --> 03:07:30.639 butch or Tease, a physical therapist. The wrestler is asking 3750 03:07:30.719 --> 03:07:34.680 advice for about his aching back. Mister Ortiz of the 3751 03:07:35.319 --> 03:07:40.200 Restorative Heel health Care Services in che Gino reminds him 3752 03:07:40.239 --> 03:07:42.440 that because he is so built up in the ches 3753 03:07:42.600 --> 03:07:45.799 his chest, he tends to walk slumped over. That, says 3754 03:07:45.840 --> 03:07:49.200 mister Ortiz, causes straining the lower back. He should try 3755 03:07:49.239 --> 03:07:52.680 to walk straight up with his shoulders back. The wrestler smiles, 3756 03:07:52.719 --> 03:07:55.479 but wonders aloud what people would think of a guy 3757 03:07:55.600 --> 03:07:58.360 walking around that way, Coming from a man who struts 3758 03:07:58.399 --> 03:08:01.399 around the ring, especially after leaving an opponent unconscious with 3759 03:08:01.719 --> 03:08:06.000 one of his trademarks, the quote sleeper hold, it seems 3760 03:08:06.040 --> 03:08:09.920 out of character. Another wrestler walks in the room, coming 3761 03:08:10.040 --> 03:08:12.399 to pick up a knee brace for his evening's match. 3762 03:08:12.799 --> 03:08:15.319 He steps, He stops and talks for a few seconds 3763 03:08:15.360 --> 03:08:18.000 with the other wrestler and may share a laugh or two. 3764 03:08:18.520 --> 03:08:23.600 An hour later, they are in old please brother, whoa dude? 3765 03:08:23.680 --> 03:08:23.879 Whoa? 3766 03:08:24.159 --> 03:08:24.600 What are they? 3767 03:08:25.000 --> 03:08:25.079 Are? 3768 03:08:25.159 --> 03:08:27.520 They in the ring bashing in each other's heads on 3769 03:08:27.799 --> 03:08:32.360 furious hatred. So justin this is fake, by the. 3770 03:08:32.360 --> 03:08:36.479 Way, I can't imagine they are. Yes, they are bashing. 3771 03:08:37.280 --> 03:08:39.319 They are in the ring, bashing in each other's heads 3772 03:08:39.360 --> 03:08:42.280 with furious hatred. One by one they all come in 3773 03:08:43.040 --> 03:08:45.799 this night to visit the Doctor from Chino and his crew. 3774 03:08:47.079 --> 03:08:49.920 There's Dusty Rhodes, also known as the American Dream, on 3775 03:08:49.959 --> 03:08:53.799 the wrestling car tonight. He's to meet Macho King Randy Savage, 3776 03:08:54.079 --> 03:08:57.319 whose voice is really as raspy as it appears on television. 3777 03:08:57.760 --> 03:08:59.639 The Big Boss Man is there, along with a million 3778 03:08:59.680 --> 03:09:03.319 dollars and Teddy Bias, who, although uh a villain in 3779 03:09:03.360 --> 03:09:06.639 the ring, displays an easy laugh and is clearly a 3780 03:09:06.719 --> 03:09:09.440 gentleman when not stuffing one hundred dollars bills down the 3781 03:09:09.520 --> 03:09:13.559 throats of fallen opponents. Right, the Tag Team's Demolition featuring 3782 03:09:13.680 --> 03:09:16.040 Axe and Smash and the Heart Foundation made up of 3783 03:09:16.159 --> 03:09:20.239 Jim the Anvil, Knightheart and Brett Hitman Heart come trumping in, 3784 03:09:20.600 --> 03:09:24.200 tramping in for their physicals. The stage names are colorful. 3785 03:09:24.280 --> 03:09:27.479 The men are tremendous physical specimens. Many former college and 3786 03:09:27.559 --> 03:09:30.879 pro football players have changed who have changed professions. They 3787 03:09:30.920 --> 03:09:35.239 are massive giants, all arms the size of normal man's legs. 3788 03:09:35.319 --> 03:09:38.079 But they all have to come to Chino's Doctor Unger, 3789 03:09:38.319 --> 03:09:41.040 who will give them the ok to go on. After all, 3790 03:09:41.360 --> 03:09:44.840 Doctor Unger is the pro wrestling doc. Just check out 3791 03:09:44.920 --> 03:09:51.159 his car's license plate. It reads w W E d 3792 03:09:51.799 --> 03:09:56.559 O c ah. He's a Mark doc. He is, He's 3793 03:09:57.000 --> 03:09:58.879 He's no better than a fucking. 3794 03:09:59.040 --> 03:10:01.600 Geors oriens orion doc Hollywood over here. 3795 03:10:02.120 --> 03:10:02.520 Mm hmm. 3796 03:10:02.920 --> 03:10:04.920 So why are all these giant men coming to a 3797 03:10:05.040 --> 03:10:06.639 Chino doctor for medical treatment? 3798 03:10:07.680 --> 03:10:11.239 Steroids not there. It all started when a young boy 3799 03:10:11.399 --> 03:10:13.479 was growing up in the Midwest and watching a lot 3800 03:10:13.520 --> 03:10:17.159 of wrestling on television. Yep, young Jeff Hunger, not yet 3801 03:10:17.200 --> 03:10:19.639 old enough to follow in his father's footsteps into medicine, 3802 03:10:19.879 --> 03:10:23.879 found himself captivated by Dick the Bruiser, Verne Gagney and 3803 03:10:24.079 --> 03:10:25.000 other stars. 3804 03:10:24.719 --> 03:10:25.120 Of the match. 3805 03:10:25.159 --> 03:10:29.920 I admired these men, Yes, I admired uh Dick the 3806 03:10:30.000 --> 03:10:34.040 Bruiser and Verne Gagney poked on wrestling. He maintained his 3807 03:10:34.159 --> 03:10:37.440 passion for it when he relocated uh on the West 3808 03:10:37.479 --> 03:10:40.520 Coast to open a medical practice in Chino. He went 3809 03:10:40.600 --> 03:10:43.200 to the matches when he could, but what he really 3810 03:10:43.280 --> 03:10:55.760 wanted was to be a par tisssi pen. Yes, wanted 3811 03:10:55.959 --> 03:11:02.520 to be a par tis uh pen. That seems to 3812 03:11:02.600 --> 03:11:08.360 be they the doctor uh challenge here, Like that's the problem. 3813 03:11:08.840 --> 03:11:10.959 That's right. They want to participate, That's right. 3814 03:11:11.479 --> 03:11:13.680 They can and the business can smell you coming a 3815 03:11:13.760 --> 03:11:14.239 mile away. 3816 03:11:14.680 --> 03:11:14.840 Yep. 3817 03:11:14.959 --> 03:11:16.799 That's why to this day it's like, oh, this guy's 3818 03:11:16.840 --> 03:11:18.479 a fan, Like, maybe we can work them. You know, 3819 03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:20.840 we already have the leg up. 3820 03:11:20.879 --> 03:11:24.040 He takes us. You know, he sees this as actual celebrities. 3821 03:11:24.120 --> 03:11:25.040 Well what do you mean, leg up? 3822 03:11:25.040 --> 03:11:25.239 Brother? 3823 03:11:25.600 --> 03:11:25.680 Right? 3824 03:11:25.840 --> 03:11:29.200 Sorry, So now the games are just beginning, doctor doctor 3825 03:11:29.280 --> 03:11:30.719 Jeff Funger Jazz. 3826 03:11:31.799 --> 03:11:36.280 He wrote to all the wrestling federations, there are many 3827 03:11:36.440 --> 03:11:40.159 across the country until you finally get a shot to 3828 03:11:40.319 --> 03:11:46.680 help out or to what is it? Yeah, help out? 3829 03:11:47.600 --> 03:11:50.079 Help out? Try to help out with the world wisting 3830 03:11:50.159 --> 03:11:54.159 entertainment balancing his private practice. He is a respected physician 3831 03:11:54.200 --> 03:11:56.479 in Chino and one of the founders of the Chino 3832 03:11:56.600 --> 03:11:59.000 Medical Group next to Chino Community Hospital. How many fucking 3833 03:11:59.040 --> 03:12:01.280 times we need to say Chino, what his fucking West 3834 03:12:01.280 --> 03:12:07.559 Side story? Jesus Christ with with uh, you know, with 3835 03:12:07.680 --> 03:12:10.639 working with wrestling. He kept his ties with the w 3836 03:12:10.719 --> 03:12:14.159 W until he finally got his big break. It was 3837 03:12:14.239 --> 03:12:16.239 less than two years ago when the main w W 3838 03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:20.280 doctor announced his retirement, giving doctor Unger. 3839 03:12:20.079 --> 03:12:21.440 The opening he was waiting. 3840 03:12:22.959 --> 03:12:28.440 M was it a Jorge was a horr um quote. 3841 03:12:28.479 --> 03:12:30.280 When I got the call and was asked to work 3842 03:12:30.319 --> 03:12:32.719 with the WWE, it was the happiest day of my life. 3843 03:12:32.760 --> 03:12:36.520 He recalls. His wife was very sad. His wife Lisa, 3844 03:12:36.559 --> 03:12:39.479 who accompanies him to the matches a recent one, just 3845 03:12:39.559 --> 03:12:41.719 a couple of weeks ago after giving birth to their child. 3846 03:12:41.799 --> 03:12:43.520 Look at us all, this ship is not the happiest 3847 03:12:43.600 --> 03:12:45.479 day of his life. He has a kid, he has 3848 03:12:45.520 --> 03:12:49.520 a wife. Neither are make him as happy as the 3849 03:12:49.639 --> 03:12:55.680 call he got from the day. Yep confirms his his sentiments, 3850 03:12:55.719 --> 03:13:00.639 but admits she also has been won over. Quote. I 3851 03:13:00.799 --> 03:13:03.959 thought it was stupid, she says, remembering when used to 3852 03:13:04.040 --> 03:13:07.680 go on dates to the wrestling matches. I only went 3853 03:13:07.799 --> 03:13:10.280 because I wanted to be with Jeff. Now listen, honey, 3854 03:13:10.479 --> 03:13:12.319 why did you want to be with him after taking 3855 03:13:12.319 --> 03:13:14.920 you this ship? I never took my wife to any 3856 03:13:14.920 --> 03:13:17.680 of this ship. I tried once she was She would 3857 03:13:17.719 --> 03:13:19.399 have one time, but then I ended up having a 3858 03:13:19.440 --> 03:13:21.399 show and I couldn't take her to WrestleMania. I was 3859 03:13:21.440 --> 03:13:24.959 gonna take her to Arizona to Phoenix, you see, because 3860 03:13:24.959 --> 03:13:27.399 I was really close and we were about to go, 3861 03:13:27.639 --> 03:13:30.239 but then I had a show that weekend and we 3862 03:13:30.280 --> 03:13:34.159 wouldn't have made it. She totally did. She's always been 3863 03:13:34.200 --> 03:13:39.559 thrilled about that, but she would have gone. Now she 3864 03:13:39.719 --> 03:13:41.520 loves it. And when he packs up his van with 3865 03:13:41.639 --> 03:13:49.319 his I'D equipment and assisted, that'd be the ww doc van, 3866 03:13:51.600 --> 03:13:52.760 the pro wrestling doc. 3867 03:13:53.760 --> 03:13:55.200 Hey doc, what do you got for me? 3868 03:13:55.280 --> 03:13:55.479 Pal? 3869 03:13:57.559 --> 03:14:00.200 She is right there an enthusiastic as can be. They 3870 03:14:00.280 --> 03:14:06.399 make a good team, and professional wrestling needs needs men 3871 03:14:07.120 --> 03:14:07.719 like doctor. 3872 03:14:09.719 --> 03:14:11.000 There's a pregnant sentence. 3873 03:14:12.319 --> 03:14:16.120 Why Because most days, including California, no longer classify pro 3874 03:14:16.159 --> 03:14:21.399 wrestling as an official sport. The stars aren't required to 3875 03:14:21.440 --> 03:14:24.840 meet the stiff medical demands of the National Football League 3876 03:14:25.319 --> 03:14:28.319 or Major League Baseball. However, although they are not participating 3877 03:14:28.360 --> 03:14:34.479 in a real sport, they are performing tremendously demanding physical ass. No, 3878 03:14:34.719 --> 03:14:37.200 the punches aren't thrown with full power, but that doesn't 3879 03:14:37.239 --> 03:14:40.559 mean the wrestlers aren't taking a beating. When Big Boss 3880 03:14:40.639 --> 03:14:44.360 Man slams Ted Dbioski to the mat and jumps on 3881 03:14:44.479 --> 03:14:46.639 him with all three hundred and fifty plus pounds landing 3882 03:14:46.680 --> 03:14:50.079 on Debiassi's chest, that can take its toll. They may 3883 03:14:50.159 --> 03:14:52.799 not be meeting an athletic competition, but their profession is 3884 03:14:52.920 --> 03:14:57.959 unquestionably athletic. Is wrestling fake? There is nothing fake about 3885 03:14:58.040 --> 03:15:03.200 jumping Jim Brenzel. Actually total iyes a total fucking bullshit 3886 03:15:03.280 --> 03:15:05.879 right there. Yeah, I actually love to tell you something. Yeah, 3887 03:15:06.559 --> 03:15:09.079 there's nothing thinking about jumping Jim Brenzel climbing to the 3888 03:15:09.159 --> 03:15:11.840 top rope and leaping off, completely flipping over while he 3889 03:15:11.920 --> 03:15:15.559 does it. That takes tremendous athletic skill, and athletes like 3890 03:15:15.680 --> 03:15:19.200 pro wrestlers need to turn to medical team to a 3891 03:15:19.319 --> 03:15:22.360 medical team to keep them able to come back again 3892 03:15:22.600 --> 03:15:30.920 and again. That's where doctor Hunger comes in. He is 3893 03:15:30.959 --> 03:15:33.520 the official doctor for the Worldssing Entertainment and he soon 3894 03:15:33.760 --> 03:15:37.319 may be contracted to some others, including Ted Turner's group 3895 03:15:37.399 --> 03:15:42.239 that feature stars Rick Ri, C k Flair and Sting. Yes, 3896 03:15:42.319 --> 03:15:45.079 even Hulkogan has to get the medical approval from Doctor 3897 03:15:45.159 --> 03:15:48.360 Unger before he can try to win back his World 3898 03:15:48.520 --> 03:15:52.639 Champion belt from The Ultimate Warrior. What a weird wain 3899 03:15:52.719 --> 03:16:00.479 to in this article? Uh, con Colb Russell Warren talk, 3900 03:16:00.559 --> 03:16:02.200 are you booking? Are you booking them? Are you booking 3901 03:16:02.239 --> 03:16:02.760 the finish? Dude? 3902 03:16:02.959 --> 03:16:03.079 Right? 3903 03:16:03.120 --> 03:16:04.600 They told me to come see you on the fetish, 3904 03:16:04.920 --> 03:16:06.399 They said, brother, talk to you about the fish. Due 3905 03:16:06.440 --> 03:16:11.920 you book the finish? Huh huh. By the way, at 3906 03:16:12.440 --> 03:16:17.440 the Mister Texan Restaurant on Riverside Drive and Chino, one 3907 03:16:17.479 --> 03:16:21.040 of the breakfast specials two pork chops, hash browns, two 3908 03:16:21.079 --> 03:16:23.200 eggs for four fifty five and then you could have 3909 03:16:23.479 --> 03:16:27.399 a shrimp omelet with rice and beans for five to fifty. 3910 03:16:28.120 --> 03:16:32.600 That sounds vile. I'll tell you there's one thing. I mean, listen, 3911 03:16:32.639 --> 03:16:34.239 I don't I'm not much of a fish person anyway, 3912 03:16:34.520 --> 03:16:39.000 but fish and eggs. No fish and cheese, you know, yeah, exactly, 3913 03:16:39.120 --> 03:16:41.079 I mean, but fish eggs. I mean, fish and eggs 3914 03:16:41.159 --> 03:16:43.159 is not a thing. I'm sorry. You just can't do that. 3915 03:16:44.239 --> 03:16:46.440 Steaking eggs a good price, staking eggs for twenty five, 3916 03:16:46.600 --> 03:16:46.920 that's good. 3917 03:16:47.280 --> 03:16:48.040 I had you know. 3918 03:16:48.399 --> 03:16:52.959 I hate it when they put scrambled eggs on a salmon, 3919 03:16:53.959 --> 03:16:55.159 like a salmon sandwich. 3920 03:16:55.200 --> 03:16:55.639 I hate. 3921 03:16:55.840 --> 03:16:59.079 Oh god, there's some places that like insist on I'm like, dude, no, 3922 03:16:59.479 --> 03:17:01.440 you don't how I mean? 3923 03:17:01.520 --> 03:17:02.479 That just sounds awful? 3924 03:17:03.120 --> 03:17:03.280 Is it? 3925 03:17:04.040 --> 03:17:05.879 That sounds disgusting? 3926 03:17:06.440 --> 03:17:06.639 It is. 3927 03:17:06.760 --> 03:17:09.200 It's horrible, like hot eggs on fish. It just does 3928 03:17:09.239 --> 03:17:11.600 not sound okay, all. 3929 03:17:11.520 --> 03:17:16.479 Right, dancing off the cold rubbery salmon. It's not working 3930 03:17:16.520 --> 03:17:24.040 for me. Pal, just fucked this whole thing up. Locks, bread, capers, onions, tomato, exactly, simple, 3931 03:17:24.520 --> 03:17:25.959 exactly what are you putting eggs on there? 3932 03:17:26.040 --> 03:17:26.079 For? 3933 03:17:26.399 --> 03:17:28.879 What the fuck is this? Listen? You got enough protein 3934 03:17:28.920 --> 03:17:29.600 with the fucking salmon. 3935 03:17:29.760 --> 03:17:32.200 I'm so you know, I'm already down on the eggs. 3936 03:17:32.200 --> 03:17:34.280 Almost every bagel place puts on the sand It's like, 3937 03:17:34.319 --> 03:17:37.120 you know, it's hardly ever a fried egg properly done. 3938 03:17:37.159 --> 03:17:41.479 It's always stupid fucking pre pre package. 3939 03:17:41.840 --> 03:17:45.239 Like, yeah, I agree, out of a Let me tell 3940 03:17:45.280 --> 03:17:47.719 you something. I'll be honest with you. There's only one place. 3941 03:17:48.399 --> 03:17:53.159 There's only one bagel place that I had that it's 3942 03:17:53.239 --> 03:17:57.799 in It's uh, I remember, but it's in Hoboken and 3943 03:17:57.920 --> 03:18:00.760 it's on the main drag there. 3944 03:18:02.120 --> 03:18:04.440 And they they they. 3945 03:18:06.079 --> 03:18:09.319 Not only was it not a freshly fried egg, it 3946 03:18:09.479 --> 03:18:13.520 was microwaved. Which listen, man, I'm telling you, normally I 3947 03:18:13.719 --> 03:18:15.840 do not respect it. But whatever they do to it, 3948 03:18:15.959 --> 03:18:18.639 really it is one of the best fucking breakfast sandwiches 3949 03:18:18.799 --> 03:18:19.719 in the planet. 3950 03:18:20.040 --> 03:18:22.719 It's just so amazing to me how how hard it 3951 03:18:22.840 --> 03:18:25.920 is to find people that do it right, because it's 3952 03:18:25.959 --> 03:18:27.600 so easy, it's so obvious how to do it right. 3953 03:18:27.639 --> 03:18:29.000 It must be too expensive or something. 3954 03:18:29.159 --> 03:18:30.520 But I get like a little one, Well, I mean 3955 03:18:30.559 --> 03:18:31.799 you got to have because then you got to have 3956 03:18:31.959 --> 03:18:33.920 a you know, like you got to have all that 3957 03:18:34.200 --> 03:18:36.000 like a big thing going on in the back. You 3958 03:18:36.079 --> 03:18:38.200 gotta have a big griddle going on too much, you know, 3959 03:18:38.399 --> 03:18:40.959 and I and and that's that's got to be expensive, 3960 03:18:41.040 --> 03:18:42.440 especially when you know, it takes a long time for 3961 03:18:42.479 --> 03:18:45.159 those things that heat up to to a proper respect it. 3962 03:18:45.920 --> 03:18:49.200 There's just places that do it like it's like every 3963 03:18:49.280 --> 03:18:51.639 place does one of the ingredients right, but no one 3964 03:18:51.680 --> 03:18:52.879 seems to be able to do all of them right. 3965 03:18:53.440 --> 03:18:54.200 Very rare exceptions. 3966 03:18:54.280 --> 03:18:56.520 Panera used to get it kind of right with a 3967 03:18:56.559 --> 03:18:58.520 bit of a runny egg and then they fucked everything up. 3968 03:18:58.680 --> 03:19:01.520 It's so weird, the what And I'm a white cheddar guy. 3969 03:19:01.559 --> 03:19:04.319 I know that's supposed to be fucking sacrilegious, but to me, 3970 03:19:04.559 --> 03:19:06.600 like it elevates the sandwich so much. 3971 03:19:07.399 --> 03:19:10.280 I mean, I'll tell you that there's a place. There's 3972 03:19:10.319 --> 03:19:18.600 a place in Waterbury Ammi's crispy bagels. Oh fuck you, 3973 03:19:18.840 --> 03:19:20.239 I'm gonna tell you what are you doing. I'm gonna 3974 03:19:20.280 --> 03:19:21.719 tell you. Yeah, well I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna 3975 03:19:21.719 --> 03:19:26.520 do it hard. So they first of all, their bagels 3976 03:19:26.559 --> 03:19:33.479 are are just unreal because and they're they're really a 3977 03:19:33.639 --> 03:19:38.840 miracle of of culinary cuisine or arts or whatever. Because 3978 03:19:39.319 --> 03:19:42.840 when you look at them, you look to your you 3979 03:19:42.959 --> 03:19:45.000 see yourself. These are not gonna taste very good, right, 3980 03:19:45.440 --> 03:19:47.000 Like they don't look at they have enough stuff on 3981 03:19:47.120 --> 03:19:52.600 them to create flavor. But man, yes, like because the 3982 03:19:52.639 --> 03:19:54.719 everything bagel you go to some place of everything bagels 3983 03:19:54.760 --> 03:19:58.639 like loaded, Like literally everything is like plastered on that bagel, right, 3984 03:19:59.280 --> 03:20:02.879 they got so little I'm in everything bagel, yet it 3985 03:20:03.000 --> 03:20:08.879 is the most flavorful everything bagel in on the planet. Sausage, egg, 3986 03:20:08.920 --> 03:20:13.440 and cheese from that place is just it's it's it's 3987 03:20:13.520 --> 03:20:17.360 handed down to you from God himself. Yes, it's one 3988 03:20:17.399 --> 03:20:18.280 of the absolute best. 3989 03:20:18.360 --> 03:20:20.159 I don't know if I've ever made this clear on 3990 03:20:20.239 --> 03:20:23.159 the air before, but you know, we talk about it's 3991 03:20:23.159 --> 03:20:25.719 all about food, and that's true, folks, It's all about 3992 03:20:25.719 --> 03:20:28.600 breakfast sandwiches. I don't know if we realize that this 3993 03:20:28.760 --> 03:20:31.360 is pretty much the only food you really need. Like, 3994 03:20:31.440 --> 03:20:33.520 if you time a breakfast sandwich, right, you don't need 3995 03:20:33.559 --> 03:20:35.639 to eat anything else until like eight o'clock at night. 3996 03:20:35.840 --> 03:20:36.559 Oh, it's so true. 3997 03:20:36.600 --> 03:20:39.479 It's economically true. It's delicious, it has a lot of 3998 03:20:39.559 --> 03:20:42.239 protein depending on what you get on it, and it 3999 03:20:42.319 --> 03:20:44.520 might not even be that bad from a carbs perspective 4000 03:20:44.520 --> 03:20:45.360 as far as you get it on. 4001 03:20:46.920 --> 03:20:50.959 But it's like it's basically it's life. Listen. I used 4002 03:20:50.959 --> 03:20:53.079 to go when I was when I was driving New 4003 03:20:53.159 --> 03:20:55.239 York for King of the Jews. I was going to 4004 03:20:57.079 --> 03:20:59.280 you know, many times I would go to a bagel 4005 03:20:59.319 --> 03:21:01.120 place on the way for sure, Like it was just 4006 03:21:01.239 --> 03:21:04.200 it was it was going down because it's just it's 4007 03:21:04.280 --> 03:21:07.120 it's what's needed. It's what's needed. 4008 03:21:07.760 --> 03:21:09.760 Keep calm and have a bagel. Yeah right, I mean 4009 03:21:09.799 --> 03:21:10.280 that's life. 4010 03:21:10.760 --> 03:21:13.319 And if you can find a place who does and 4011 03:21:13.520 --> 03:21:16.200 an exquisite breakfast burrito, your you're golden. Sure. 4012 03:21:16.399 --> 03:21:16.600 Sure. 4013 03:21:17.319 --> 03:21:19.920 The breakfast burrito is a very it's a hard thing 4014 03:21:20.799 --> 03:21:22.840 to master. I mean that's very Yeah, it's very risky. 4015 03:21:23.840 --> 03:21:26.520 It's almost definitely going to disappoint. But you have to 4016 03:21:26.719 --> 03:21:29.479 you really have to find Yeah, there there is a 4017 03:21:29.879 --> 03:21:32.840 there like you because you're already talking about those fluffy 4018 03:21:32.879 --> 03:21:36.280 scrambled eggs that will come out of a right, a 4019 03:21:36.399 --> 03:21:38.239 prepackaged thing that you need. 4020 03:21:38.520 --> 03:21:40.920 You need to have somebody like it's gotta be a 4021 03:21:41.280 --> 03:21:43.959 crumbly too crumbly not good right, No, no, because you 4022 03:21:44.040 --> 03:21:45.440 have to have a griddle because you have to have 4023 03:21:45.600 --> 03:21:49.719 fresh eggs and they need to be cooked with the potatoes. 4024 03:21:49.799 --> 03:21:52.079 I see, that's the requirement. They need to be cooked 4025 03:21:52.239 --> 03:21:55.159 in like this is I'll tell you, I know this. 4026 03:21:55.319 --> 03:21:57.600 I make them, and I make a damn good breakfast burrito. 4027 03:21:58.000 --> 03:22:00.239 All right. You like you shred the potatoes. I don't. 4028 03:22:00.280 --> 03:22:02.879 I don't buy the fucking pre shredded bullshit. I shred 4029 03:22:03.000 --> 03:22:05.360 my own potatoes. I put them, you know, I put 4030 03:22:05.440 --> 03:22:07.799 them make up basically like a like a hash brown. 4031 03:22:08.200 --> 03:22:10.360 And that's when you throw in the egg and you 4032 03:22:10.479 --> 03:22:12.920 mix it all together into a scramble. And then from 4033 03:22:13.000 --> 03:22:15.600 there it's it's the mixture. And then you put on 4034 03:22:16.239 --> 03:22:18.559 you know, bacon or whatever else you want and cheese 4035 03:22:18.639 --> 03:22:21.239 on top of that, and then that becomes your insize 4036 03:22:21.280 --> 03:22:23.760 and you roll it up and it's it's it's uh, 4037 03:22:24.120 --> 03:22:26.920 it's an art it's an art form. I don't know. 4038 03:22:27.079 --> 03:22:29.719 You know you lived in New York for years? Yeah, 4039 03:22:30.399 --> 03:22:30.559 you know. 4040 03:22:31.399 --> 03:22:34.200 I I came up on the Boston Bought bacon, egg 4041 03:22:34.239 --> 03:22:35.959 and cheese ketchup. 4042 03:22:36.920 --> 03:22:39.440 Never fuck that show? What is that about in New York? 4043 03:22:39.840 --> 03:22:41.959 I know New York has the bacon, egg and cheese 4044 03:22:42.040 --> 03:22:44.239 crown whatever, But dude, you put ketchup on that. Like, 4045 03:22:44.479 --> 03:22:45.959 I don't get it, you know, you know, I I 4046 03:22:46.120 --> 03:22:49.319 remember I was like, ketchup salt pepper. I'm like, no, yeah, 4047 03:22:49.399 --> 03:22:52.159 ketch of salt pepper. No, I'm like, no, sure, why do. 4048 03:22:52.159 --> 03:22:55.760 You want ketchup? Ketchup overwhelms everything, Ketchup makes everything taste 4049 03:22:55.760 --> 03:22:59.280 the same, that is on everything Ketchup. I don't. I 4050 03:22:59.440 --> 03:23:02.600 just don't underst and catch up and eggs, Oh, like, 4051 03:23:02.799 --> 03:23:04.959 why what is the deal with ketchup and egg Someone 4052 03:23:05.040 --> 03:23:09.319 tell me what is like, honestly, honestly, like it's kind 4053 03:23:09.360 --> 03:23:11.479 of childish. Honestly you're gonna be taken out back and 4054 03:23:11.559 --> 03:23:13.319 be Yeah, if you, if you, if you decide to 4055 03:23:13.360 --> 03:23:15.159 do that, like seriously, it could be totally wrong. But 4056 03:23:15.200 --> 03:23:17.440 I just don't know. I mean, I I can't even 4057 03:23:17.559 --> 03:23:19.760 I mean, the smell of it. I mean, I've been 4058 03:23:19.840 --> 03:23:21.840 with people who eat it. I've been with people who 4059 03:23:21.840 --> 03:23:22.959 eat it, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 4060 03:23:23.280 --> 03:23:27.159 this is not okay. And something's wrong with you for 4061 03:23:27.319 --> 03:23:30.840 even like for for for doing this in public, all right, 4062 03:23:31.239 --> 03:23:33.319 Like that's I mean, I guess I should show you 4063 03:23:33.360 --> 03:23:35.319 some respect for having the ball to do that. But man, 4064 03:23:35.440 --> 03:23:39.120 it's just it's an insult to anybody who eats food. Yeah, 4065 03:23:39.479 --> 03:23:42.440 I agree, it's awful. Yeah, I'll tell you what I mean. 4066 03:23:42.520 --> 03:23:44.559 I don't, I'm I don't know if I've ever seen 4067 03:23:44.600 --> 03:23:47.719 anybody who's actually taken the ketchup. When I see a 4068 03:23:47.799 --> 03:23:48.200 video this. 4069 03:23:48.280 --> 03:23:50.639 All the time, like New Yorkers and talking about bacon, 4070 03:23:50.719 --> 03:23:51.680 egg and cheese, you got to have. 4071 03:23:52.879 --> 03:23:55.959 I I've never no fuck that, I've never been in. 4072 03:23:56.120 --> 03:23:58.799 I've never actually seen someone take that and actually say, Okay, 4073 03:23:59.399 --> 03:24:01.239 I've seen salt and pepper, that's fine. 4074 03:24:02.079 --> 03:24:05.600 Putting spread on a bacon, egg and cheese, like actually 4075 03:24:05.639 --> 03:24:08.200 having cream cheese on a bacon, egg and cheese. I'm 4076 03:24:08.239 --> 03:24:08.600 not with that. 4077 03:24:10.079 --> 03:24:13.959 You know, I've had it. It's great, it's fine. 4078 03:24:13.959 --> 03:24:15.840 If I had another podcast, it would just be about bacon, 4079 03:24:15.879 --> 03:24:16.440 egg and cheese. 4080 03:24:16.639 --> 03:24:23.360 Way to go. I swear to that. You can talk 4081 03:24:23.479 --> 03:24:27.479 and talk about a million different breakfast sandwiches. It's uh, 4082 03:24:28.760 --> 03:24:32.520 it's fine if you're looking for that particular flavor. It's 4083 03:24:32.559 --> 03:24:36.360 not hot sauce, I mean, and not people. No, no, no, listen. 4084 03:24:36.440 --> 03:24:40.879 I'm I'm very very simple, trying to make your bacon, 4085 03:24:40.920 --> 03:24:42.639 egg and cheese taste like everything else you eat. 4086 03:24:43.159 --> 03:24:46.920 Sometimes I do listen. Sometimes I like to indulge a 4087 03:24:46.959 --> 03:24:52.120 little bit sometimes baking breakfast sandwich. But it's totally it's 4088 03:24:52.239 --> 03:24:55.239 it's not core to if you're if you're going to 4089 03:24:55.440 --> 03:24:59.280 certain places that have crazy ass breakfast sandwiches. I'm fine 4090 03:24:59.319 --> 03:25:02.040 with it. But if I want, like from a day 4091 03:25:02.040 --> 03:25:04.239 to day thing, I'm not like, there's a there's a 4092 03:25:04.280 --> 03:25:07.799 place I've gotten where you get like you get you 4093 03:25:07.840 --> 03:25:10.239 can you get. It's like a I've had an Irish 4094 03:25:10.639 --> 03:25:15.920 breakfast sandwich where it's corn beef, a hash brown egg, cheese, 4095 03:25:16.399 --> 03:25:19.120 and some kind of sauce and it's like, yeah, it's excellent, 4096 03:25:19.239 --> 03:25:21.920 it's very good. But that's not an everyday thing. That's 4097 03:25:22.040 --> 03:25:26.120 like a special indulgence. If I'm everyday thing is a sausage, 4098 03:25:26.120 --> 03:25:27.600 egg and cheese and a toasted everything bagel. 4099 03:25:27.719 --> 03:25:30.680 Yeap, done, hands down. And you go for cheddar. 4100 03:25:30.879 --> 03:25:33.840 Fine, I think that's a pussy move, old fashioned government 4101 03:25:33.920 --> 03:25:37.440 cheese my opinion, but I understand. I respect the cheese choice. 4102 03:25:37.479 --> 03:25:40.040 You do your own cheese choice. My dad, he hates 4103 03:25:40.040 --> 03:25:43.600 American cheese, absolutely hate. He's Communist, for God's sake, hates 4104 03:25:43.600 --> 03:25:47.920 American but he he likes, he prefers cheddar. I love. 4105 03:25:48.000 --> 03:25:50.200 I mean, to me, it's the salty creaminess of American 4106 03:25:50.280 --> 03:25:51.440 cheese that makes a breakfast sandwich. 4107 03:25:52.920 --> 03:25:56.280 But I totally get it. And uh, but yeah, like 4108 03:25:56.360 --> 03:25:58.760 I I again every now and again, but I have to. 4109 03:25:58.840 --> 03:26:00.840 Like be in the mood for it. See breakfast sandwich 4110 03:26:00.959 --> 03:26:04.479 not not like not in everyday thing. It's like, hey, 4111 03:26:04.639 --> 03:26:07.760 let's get a bagel sandwich, and you know, go get 4112 03:26:07.799 --> 03:26:10.200 a bagel sandwich from fucking amies. I'm not gonna get 4113 03:26:10.239 --> 03:26:11.959 a fancy thing. I want to get married. I want 4114 03:26:12.000 --> 03:26:14.959 to get what is miraculous. Miraculous, you know. 4115 03:26:15.239 --> 03:26:16.639 And to think about white cheddar to me on a 4116 03:26:16.639 --> 03:26:21.159 breakfast sandwich is that the only time I've had it 4117 03:26:21.639 --> 03:26:23.680 is places that start out with it and then drop 4118 03:26:23.760 --> 03:26:26.479 it because it's too expensive. I would imagine, because it's 4119 03:26:26.520 --> 03:26:28.040 just like, oh god, if I only found a place 4120 03:26:28.079 --> 03:26:33.319 that does it like an adult and that instead of essentially, 4121 03:26:33.600 --> 03:26:35.159 you know, I haven't grown out of Kraft mac and 4122 03:26:35.200 --> 03:26:38.520 cheese yet, and so and then it disappears in favor 4123 03:26:38.520 --> 03:26:41.760 of yellow cheese inevitably every time, and you know it's 4124 03:26:41.760 --> 03:26:45.120 a yellow cheddar. I don't know, it's just yellow. So 4125 03:26:45.200 --> 03:26:47.879 I just kind of stop caring about whether it's cheadar. 4126 03:26:47.920 --> 03:26:50.760 I understand it could be yellow cheddar. 4127 03:26:51.159 --> 03:26:52.440 It could be, yeah, it could well be. 4128 03:26:53.239 --> 03:26:55.079 But there is something I will say about white cheddar 4129 03:26:55.159 --> 03:26:57.280 is much different. Have you heard of a concept place 4130 03:26:57.319 --> 03:27:00.959 called egg Tuck? No, it's all right. I was very disappointed. 4131 03:27:01.000 --> 03:27:02.600 I was very excited to try it because I thought 4132 03:27:02.600 --> 03:27:03.600 it was like, oh, this is going to be the 4133 03:27:03.680 --> 03:27:07.559 chain place that makes like really flavorful breakfast sandwiches that 4134 03:27:07.600 --> 03:27:09.760 it will come everywhere. They're they're expanding quickly. 4135 03:27:09.840 --> 03:27:12.440 But one of the things that I'm not a fan of, 4136 03:27:12.840 --> 03:27:17.799 and and they're pretty common, but are the breakfast sandwiches 4137 03:27:17.920 --> 03:27:21.440 on hard rolls? Not fan no, not a fan. No, 4138 03:27:21.479 --> 03:27:23.719 they got to be on Bible, you know. 4139 03:27:23.799 --> 03:27:27.440 And and or an English muffin. I'm not against Themish muffin. 4140 03:27:27.440 --> 03:27:29.639 And I've had some delicious ones on English muffins, but 4141 03:27:29.879 --> 03:27:32.799 it doesn't you need the half and you need the seeds, 4142 03:27:32.879 --> 03:27:34.559 totally salt that bagel. 4143 03:27:34.399 --> 03:27:38.719 Totally play. I mean, i mean, look, the bagel is 4144 03:27:38.719 --> 03:27:43.040 the king. But you know, like they there's the store 4145 03:27:43.159 --> 03:27:48.360 near my parents' house. They make fucking badass bacon and 4146 03:27:48.559 --> 03:27:51.879 cheese on on on your fucking demulis not even not 4147 03:27:52.200 --> 03:27:55.040 Thomas EnGIS Muss Demolis English muffins, and it's like it's 4148 03:27:55.120 --> 03:27:58.559 just heavenly. They fucking you know, grill the bagel, which 4149 03:27:58.920 --> 03:28:01.879 those you know, it's very funny. That's really a bagel 4150 03:28:02.000 --> 03:28:06.159 means one thing in New England and nowhere else because grilling. 4151 03:28:06.200 --> 03:28:08.319 I remember I ordered I wanted a grilled id for 4152 03:28:08.360 --> 03:28:12.440 a grilled English muffin at a diner in LA and 4153 03:28:12.719 --> 03:28:15.920 they put it on a grill, which what a grilled 4154 03:28:15.959 --> 03:28:20.040 English muffin actually is is the English muffin is slathered 4155 03:28:20.040 --> 03:28:22.440 with butter and then you put on the griddle until 4156 03:28:22.479 --> 03:28:27.239 it creates this incredible magical hard crust on the meat 4157 03:28:27.360 --> 03:28:29.879 side of the English muffin and then you know, the 4158 03:28:30.079 --> 03:28:36.000 the the outside is like this soft, fluffy miracle. And 4159 03:28:36.719 --> 03:28:39.680 it's like, that's a New England thing, and nobody, at 4160 03:28:39.760 --> 03:28:42.000 least I've only seen in New England other places where 4161 03:28:42.479 --> 03:28:44.319 I've tried to order it, like they don't fucking know 4162 03:28:44.360 --> 03:28:45.040 what I'm talking about. 4163 03:28:45.079 --> 03:28:49.399 Ask question, Yes, alvocado and bacon, egg and cheese. 4164 03:28:51.680 --> 03:28:52.440 Depends. Yep. 4165 03:28:52.479 --> 03:28:56.399 I've had some wonderful ones I've had sometimes. 4166 03:28:56.520 --> 03:29:00.239 You know, again, if I'm feeling if I'm feeling kind 4167 03:29:00.239 --> 03:29:03.200 of like I need something a little bit more, bacon, 4168 03:29:03.239 --> 03:29:07.000 egg and cheese with tomato and avocado is amazing. Tomato 4169 03:29:07.159 --> 03:29:11.239 is bold, it is, but it works sometimes but again 4170 03:29:11.719 --> 03:29:14.559 not an everyday thing. Well, I can pretty much say 4171 03:29:16.120 --> 03:29:18.639 reliably I could do a sausage, egg and cheese on 4172 03:29:18.760 --> 03:29:22.440 a toasted everything every day and be fine. I don't 4173 03:29:22.479 --> 03:29:25.479 because you know that would kill me. But I can 4174 03:29:25.559 --> 03:29:30.239 want it. I can, I could do it, and it's 4175 03:29:30.280 --> 03:29:30.680 so true. 4176 03:29:30.879 --> 03:29:32.280 I remember one of the places I used to go 4177 03:29:32.319 --> 03:29:34.200 to that like a sign about like how it's actually 4178 03:29:34.280 --> 03:29:36.000 good for you. It was like, fuck, yeah, man, let 4179 03:29:36.040 --> 03:29:38.559 me make a couple of motherfucker please. Yeah, let me 4180 03:29:38.600 --> 03:29:39.680 send it to my doctor please. 4181 03:29:40.440 --> 03:29:40.639 See. 4182 03:29:40.719 --> 03:29:42.360 Look, thank god I didn't have a bagel today. Let 4183 03:29:42.399 --> 03:29:45.120 me have a pizza. Yea, what the fuck right? 4184 03:29:47.239 --> 03:29:48.520 Thank god I didn't have a bagel. Let me get 4185 03:29:48.520 --> 03:29:49.280 a triple cheeseburger. 4186 03:29:49.360 --> 03:29:51.799 Oh you enjoy bagel? See that's the problem. That's why 4187 03:29:51.840 --> 03:29:55.719 you die. It's like, right, exactly if you if you 4188 03:29:55.799 --> 03:29:56.799 eat it because. 4189 03:29:56.559 --> 03:29:59.360 You don't like it, then you're okay. If I want 4190 03:29:59.360 --> 03:29:59.959 to please your. 4191 03:30:00.440 --> 03:30:04.040 You only eat things you don't enjoy. Everybody, you tricked 4192 03:30:04.040 --> 03:30:06.840 yourself into enjoying a spoonful of peanut butter, and that's it. 4193 03:30:07.000 --> 03:30:09.520 Talk. I ate a fucking bagel today. It was so hard, 4194 03:30:10.360 --> 03:30:11.239 it was so difficult. 4195 03:30:11.319 --> 03:30:12.639 I did not want to eat it. I want to 4196 03:30:12.719 --> 03:30:18.479 kill myself now. So yeah, that's these are important things exactly, 4197 03:30:18.520 --> 03:30:21.840 liking egg and cheese. Uh, suggestions welcome. 4198 03:30:22.399 --> 03:30:25.159 And yeah, I'll be very curious see what people talk 4199 03:30:25.200 --> 03:30:26.920 about with like breakfast sandwich is what they like? 4200 03:30:27.559 --> 03:30:30.280 Hunt always fast, hunt it down. I will hunt it down. 4201 03:30:30.840 --> 03:30:31.040 Yeah. 4202 03:30:31.360 --> 03:30:34.319 So that's doctor Jeffrey Younger. And thankfully that profile from 4203 03:30:34.360 --> 03:30:37.079 nineteen ninety was on a page with pork chops and eggs. 4204 03:30:37.399 --> 03:30:41.319 Pork chops and fucking shrimp omelets. That so fortunate was 4205 03:30:41.360 --> 03:30:44.319 it sent is on the right path. But nonetheless, so. 4206 03:30:44.319 --> 03:30:46.440 How did they tell this whole story around Sean getting 4207 03:30:46.479 --> 03:30:49.200 the concussion and being so inspiring that he comes back 4208 03:30:49.239 --> 03:30:53.120 for the Rumble ninety six? This excerpt from WWF television 4209 03:30:53.120 --> 03:30:54.319 at the time, I think tells the story. 4210 03:30:54.399 --> 03:30:54.559 Well. 4211 03:30:56.239 --> 03:30:58.879 This past weekend, I went to the Chino Medical Center 4212 03:30:59.000 --> 03:31:01.680 just outside of Las Ane Willis, California, looking for Shawn 4213 03:31:01.719 --> 03:31:05.559 Michael's personal physician, doctor Jeffrey Hunger. After what happened a 4214 03:31:05.600 --> 03:31:08.120 couple of weeks ago on Raw everyone has been concerned 4215 03:31:08.120 --> 03:31:11.799 about the health and future of Shawn Michaels, especially Dr Runger. 4216 03:31:12.120 --> 03:31:14.479 When I was at home watching Monday Night Raw with 4217 03:31:14.600 --> 03:31:17.200 my wife and I saw this. I was terrified for Sean. 4218 03:31:17.959 --> 03:31:19.319 I was one to send him back to the ring 4219 03:31:19.360 --> 03:31:21.440 in the first place, and I thought that Sean was 4220 03:31:21.479 --> 03:31:22.879 seriously injured at that time. 4221 03:31:23.280 --> 03:31:24.719 And he wasn't the only one. 4222 03:31:25.200 --> 03:31:27.600 Sean was in control of his match with ollen Hart. 4223 03:31:28.000 --> 03:31:30.879 Victory seemed to be at hand, and then we witnessed 4224 03:31:31.040 --> 03:31:36.120 the longest five seconds in World Wrestling Federation history. Shawn 4225 03:31:36.200 --> 03:31:39.200 Michaels collapsed to the canvas and we later found out 4226 03:31:39.280 --> 03:31:41.959 Sean was suffering from post concussion syndrome. 4227 03:31:42.520 --> 03:31:45.360 In the United States, annually, there's about four million patients 4228 03:31:45.440 --> 03:31:48.239 suffered from some type of head trauma. As a result 4229 03:31:48.280 --> 03:31:50.920 of the head trauma, about half these patients developed a 4230 03:31:51.000 --> 03:31:56.399 syndrome which includes problems such as ringing the ears, nausea, vomiting, headache, 4231 03:31:56.440 --> 03:32:00.879 blurred vision, different problems such as this in their hands 4232 03:32:00.920 --> 03:32:05.319 and feed forgetfulness and ability to concentrate. They can lose 4233 03:32:05.360 --> 03:32:09.040 their direction and this becomes a problem because these patients 4234 03:32:09.120 --> 03:32:11.959 tend to get frustrated. They get depressed as well, they 4235 03:32:12.040 --> 03:32:16.000 have sleep disturbances and all this persists for between two 4236 03:32:16.079 --> 03:32:19.040 weeks to several months. However, there's a group of patients 4237 03:32:19.079 --> 03:32:20.959 that may go up to three years before they show 4238 03:32:20.959 --> 03:32:23.159 any improvement, and these patients usually have a very poor 4239 03:32:23.239 --> 03:32:25.479 prognosis and they don't seem to get better at all. 4240 03:32:26.079 --> 03:32:28.879 I asked the doctor about Shawn's current test results. 4241 03:32:29.159 --> 03:32:32.559 Shawn's current neurological tests are abnormal, and I believe that 4242 03:32:32.639 --> 03:32:35.959 he might be out considerably longer than I expected. Any 4243 03:32:36.879 --> 03:32:40.520 indication of having Sewan return at this time the WWF 4244 03:32:40.600 --> 03:32:42.239 are just totally premature. 4245 03:32:42.639 --> 03:32:44.440 I then asked the doctor when we could expect to 4246 03:32:44.479 --> 03:32:46.000 see Shawn Michaels back in action. 4247 03:32:46.479 --> 03:32:48.680 I'm not sure when Shawn's going to come back. I 4248 03:32:48.799 --> 03:32:51.319 do know there are many professional football players and boxers 4249 03:32:51.360 --> 03:32:53.799 that never fully recover from these type of head injuries. 4250 03:32:54.239 --> 03:32:56.079 With Sean, the problem is that he is such a 4251 03:32:56.159 --> 03:32:59.879 high impact type of athlete that I would have to 4252 03:32:59.879 --> 03:33:02.079 be one hundred percent certain that he would not re 4253 03:33:02.159 --> 03:33:04.079 injure himself when he got back into the ring. 4254 03:33:04.600 --> 03:33:08.079 Shawn Michaels is renowned for his stamina and his resiliency. 4255 03:33:08.360 --> 03:33:10.120 As a matter of fact, earlier on this year at 4256 03:33:10.159 --> 03:33:13.520 the Royal Rumboll, Shawn survived a brutal forty minute battle 4257 03:33:13.719 --> 03:33:15.319 in which he outlasted. 4258 03:33:14.799 --> 03:33:16.399 Twenty nine other superstars. 4259 03:33:16.840 --> 03:33:20.200 The day after WrestleMania, he was viciously attacked by Psycho 4260 03:33:20.319 --> 03:33:23.280 Sid and still returned to action and went on to 4261 03:33:23.440 --> 03:33:27.719 reclaim the Intercontinental title. Shawn also survived a second ladder 4262 03:33:27.799 --> 03:33:31.079 match at the WWF SummerSlam with a bad guy Raised Ramone, 4263 03:33:31.399 --> 03:33:34.520 and most recently, Seawn returned to the ring after being 4264 03:33:34.559 --> 03:33:38.200 attacked by nine thugs outside of a Syracuse nightclub. Now, 4265 03:33:38.319 --> 03:33:42.000 surely this kind of resiliency should help Sean Michaels recover faster. 4266 03:33:42.360 --> 03:33:45.719 Probably not, because the brain is not resilient. Shawn's wrestling 4267 03:33:45.799 --> 03:33:48.559 career is absolutely insignificant to me. I am concerned about 4268 03:33:48.600 --> 03:33:52.040 Shawna's human being. Technically, Sewan does have brain damage and 4269 03:33:52.120 --> 03:33:55.159 that's the cause of the post concussive syndrome. With Shawn's 4270 03:33:55.200 --> 03:33:57.959 chronological status, any additional blows to the head could be 4271 03:33:58.120 --> 03:33:58.760 life threatening. 4272 03:33:59.479 --> 03:34:03.000 So now, so, what becomes Shawn Michaels the most charismatic, 4273 03:34:03.319 --> 03:34:06.360 the most flamboyant superstar in the history of the World 4274 03:34:06.360 --> 03:34:09.879 Wrestling Federation. Well, Doctor Unger left me with these very 4275 03:34:09.959 --> 03:34:13.959 disturbing final comments regarding the future of Shawn Michaels. 4276 03:34:14.440 --> 03:34:17.280 Shawn is simply not progressing very well neurologically. 4277 03:34:17.600 --> 03:34:18.360 I don't think it would be. 4278 03:34:18.360 --> 03:34:20.200 Safe for him to enter the ring at this time. 4279 03:34:20.319 --> 03:34:22.399 In fact, it may not be safe for him to 4280 03:34:22.520 --> 03:34:24.559 go back to wrestling at all. 4281 03:34:26.399 --> 03:34:29.799 These sobering thoughts have led us to reflect upon many 4282 03:34:29.879 --> 03:34:31.520 of our WWF. 4283 03:34:31.000 --> 03:34:35.959 Superstars in the theater of life. 4284 03:34:36.440 --> 03:34:40.079 We talk to place public figures on a pedestal born 4285 03:34:40.120 --> 03:34:40.879 elite views. 4286 03:34:41.079 --> 03:34:45.479 We reserve the mettle of superstardom. By doing this, we 4287 03:34:45.879 --> 03:34:49.159 separate these individuals from the rest of us, bestowing up. 4288 03:34:49.079 --> 03:34:54.000 On them superhuman qualities that may or may not even exist. 4289 03:34:54.879 --> 03:34:58.280 We tend to think of our superstars as different from us, 4290 03:34:59.239 --> 03:35:00.799 superstars bigger than we are. 4291 03:35:01.760 --> 03:35:04.000 They're faster, they're stronger. 4292 03:35:04.639 --> 03:35:08.559 Why they don't even think the way we think, they 4293 03:35:08.600 --> 03:35:11.959 don't talk the way we talk, and they certainly. 4294 03:35:11.680 --> 03:35:14.079 Don't feel pain the way we feel pain. 4295 03:35:15.360 --> 03:35:20.479 Well, Shawn Michaels has unquestionably always been the very embodiment of. 4296 03:35:20.559 --> 03:35:25.120 What super stardom is really all about. But two weeks 4297 03:35:25.159 --> 03:35:26.440 ago on Raw. 4298 03:35:26.920 --> 03:35:31.280 The facade of superstardom was smashed in an instant when 4299 03:35:31.360 --> 03:35:36.920 Shawn Michaels collapsed to the canvas in that frightening moment 4300 03:35:37.520 --> 03:35:41.600 we realize that a superstar is really just. 4301 03:35:41.799 --> 03:35:45.239 Like the rest of us, a human being. They do 4302 03:35:45.479 --> 03:35:48.000 feel pain, They're not invincible. 4303 03:35:49.479 --> 03:35:54.440 Unquestionably, these athletes are driven by their insatiable desire to 4304 03:35:54.520 --> 03:35:57.440 be the very best they can be here in the world. 4305 03:35:57.520 --> 03:36:02.920 Rusting Federation, we cheer while as these superstars risk their 4306 03:36:03.000 --> 03:36:07.879 bodies time after time, constantly taking one step closer to 4307 03:36:08.040 --> 03:36:13.040 the edge in an effort to thrill the crowd. Well, 4308 03:36:13.120 --> 03:36:16.639 Shawn Michaels has been living on the edge and thrilling 4309 03:36:16.719 --> 03:36:21.799 the crowds for quite some time. Shawn Michaels while dust 4310 03:36:21.879 --> 03:36:26.639 into believing he could do just about anything because we've 4311 03:36:26.719 --> 03:36:31.440 seen him do it. But now we find ourselves in 4312 03:36:31.520 --> 03:36:35.159 the uncomfortable position of hoping you'll just be all right, 4313 03:36:36.319 --> 03:36:40.159 all the while knowing we helped push him over the edge. 4314 03:36:40.600 --> 03:36:43.120 And our unsetchable thirst for excitement. 4315 03:36:44.239 --> 03:36:48.559 However, like anyone who totally loves what they do, Shawn 4316 03:36:48.639 --> 03:36:51.959 Michaels can't wait to get back into the ring, and 4317 03:36:52.120 --> 03:36:55.079 believe me, he's even more anxious to get back than 4318 03:36:55.159 --> 03:36:59.520 we are to see him back. But unfortunately, now there's 4319 03:36:59.520 --> 03:37:05.040 a watch as to when or even if Sean Michaels 4320 03:37:05.639 --> 03:37:07.879 should return battle. 4321 03:37:10.200 --> 03:37:13.239 I mean, I don't that's funny. I don't remember that 4322 03:37:13.520 --> 03:37:14.079 at all. 4323 03:37:14.440 --> 03:37:18.360 When you when that switches convinced in life. But he 4324 03:37:18.440 --> 03:37:21.559 takes that voice like he's doing a like he's reading 4325 03:37:21.600 --> 03:37:25.120 a speech at the inauguration or something. Yeah, oh my god, 4326 03:37:25.760 --> 03:37:26.360 just too much. 4327 03:37:26.799 --> 03:37:29.719 Man, he's such a what are you hearing there? He's 4328 03:37:29.799 --> 03:37:33.600 such a dufus. What's he trying to accomplish? No, that's 4329 03:37:33.639 --> 03:37:37.440 a thing, like he's so phony, he's so phony in life. 4330 03:37:38.159 --> 03:37:41.520 In life, we elevate, we elevate people like myself on 4331 03:37:41.600 --> 03:37:46.920 a pedestal, the pedestal of life. Right, it's just remarkable. 4332 03:37:47.040 --> 03:37:50.799 Like the tone they were going for with Sean, like, yeah, 4333 03:37:51.040 --> 03:37:53.719 it's like their whole mission with this period Shawn Michaels 4334 03:37:53.840 --> 03:37:56.639 was to get like teenage girls to cry at the 4335 03:37:56.719 --> 03:37:58.559 thought that he might not wrestle again, then he might 4336 03:37:58.600 --> 03:38:01.239 actually be hurt, you know, I know that's the emotion 4337 03:38:01.360 --> 03:38:04.200 they leaned into. And yeah, I guess we're a room 4338 03:38:04.200 --> 03:38:05.799 in nine ninety six is supposed to be his bounce 4339 03:38:05.840 --> 03:38:06.399 back from all that. 4340 03:38:07.399 --> 03:38:07.639 It was. 4341 03:38:08.399 --> 03:38:11.200 It was interesting, I guess, I mean, I guess it 4342 03:38:11.399 --> 03:38:14.760 just I don't know. It's very weird. It's like a 4343 03:38:15.920 --> 03:38:23.440 it's it's it's I don't remember what actual injuries he 4344 03:38:23.559 --> 03:38:24.040 got from that. 4345 03:38:24.559 --> 03:38:26.479 You got a concussion, for sure, he got a concussion. 4346 03:38:27.440 --> 03:38:29.840 It's just like, I mean, I don't know, it seems 4347 03:38:31.799 --> 03:38:34.719 I mean, obviously it worked better than say the Fritz 4348 03:38:34.799 --> 03:38:35.479 van Eric. 4349 03:38:35.840 --> 03:38:41.040 Yes, yes, but was you know, invented like he didn't 4350 03:38:41.040 --> 03:38:42.120 have a heart attacking right. 4351 03:38:42.360 --> 03:38:44.760 Right, But I mean even so, it's like, you know, 4352 03:38:47.280 --> 03:38:50.600 it seems a little I mean, you know, I guess 4353 03:38:50.639 --> 03:38:54.200 it shouldn't matter because it was his you know, it 4354 03:38:54.319 --> 03:38:57.159 was it was Sean's issue. Wasn't like there was somebody 4355 03:38:57.239 --> 03:39:01.399 else they were you know, I don't know. It wasn't 4356 03:39:01.399 --> 03:39:03.440 like they were taking something from somebody else and putting 4357 03:39:03.479 --> 03:39:05.360 it on him like it was his only isshoe. But 4358 03:39:06.159 --> 03:39:07.799 something weird off about it. 4359 03:39:08.280 --> 03:39:10.680 Still, I think what's off about it? Honestly, see, in 4360 03:39:10.799 --> 03:39:13.120 a business where we're always trained to think that the 4361 03:39:13.159 --> 03:39:15.479 person who puts someone on the shelf it's a fellow wrestler. 4362 03:39:16.280 --> 03:39:19.200 The heels in the situation are these faceless nine marines 4363 03:39:19.239 --> 03:39:20.719 who beat the shit out of and I supposed a 4364 03:39:20.760 --> 03:39:23.559 tough guy, yeah too. It means you gotta do I 4365 03:39:23.600 --> 03:39:25.959 guess you got to do something with it if it's 4366 03:39:26.159 --> 03:39:29.639 in the papers, I guess. And they kind of put 4367 03:39:29.680 --> 03:39:31.440 it on Owen by having him kick him in the head. 4368 03:39:31.440 --> 03:39:34.040 But still it was like all Owen did is exacerbate 4369 03:39:34.120 --> 03:39:37.760 the damage that was done by these people who right, Really, 4370 03:39:37.799 --> 03:39:39.799 you know, it's one thing for it to happen to Sean, 4371 03:39:39.879 --> 03:39:42.799 it's another thing for the WWF to make that the 4372 03:39:42.879 --> 03:39:46.479 storyline that these nine marines beat his ass. Yeah, I 4373 03:39:46.479 --> 03:39:48.360 don't think it was nine, by the way, maybe nine 4374 03:39:48.399 --> 03:39:50.479 were there, but I don't think nine of people kicked 4375 03:39:50.520 --> 03:39:52.399 his ass. They were all just we've told the story before. 4376 03:39:52.399 --> 03:39:53.680 I remember what episode would. 4377 03:39:53.559 --> 03:39:55.200 And we've we've had an we've done it a couple 4378 03:39:55.200 --> 03:39:58.159 of times. I when we did it, we did it. 4379 03:39:59.319 --> 03:40:00.559 We also did it for one of the for a 4380 03:40:00.680 --> 03:40:03.760 cinemat thing too. Oh yeah, I alwish I remember what why. 4381 03:40:03.959 --> 03:40:05.600 I mean, we've only done one any click. 4382 03:40:05.440 --> 03:40:08.000 Era in nineteen ninety five shows or Diesel's champ. 4383 03:40:07.840 --> 03:40:09.879 And yeah, I feel like we've done it, But I 4384 03:40:09.959 --> 03:40:12.479 also feel like we did. I just don't remember why 4385 03:40:12.520 --> 03:40:14.600 we would have done it for a cinemat because like 4386 03:40:14.719 --> 03:40:16.959 it had nothing to do with the movies. I must 4387 03:40:17.000 --> 03:40:20.120 you know what, I bet I have a funny thing. 4388 03:40:20.200 --> 03:40:24.120 I know why the marine the marine because it was 4389 03:40:24.239 --> 03:40:27.079 the marine and he was beat up by marines, right right, 4390 03:40:27.280 --> 03:40:28.319 that might have been the case. 4391 03:40:28.680 --> 03:40:30.680 It's just all of his buddies were all so fucked up, 4392 03:40:30.760 --> 03:40:32.440 you know. I think it was a deal where Sean 4393 03:40:32.440 --> 03:40:35.600 and Razor were away overseas and so it was like 4394 03:40:35.719 --> 03:40:38.959 kid and Davy boy that like they were convinced sewn 4395 03:40:39.040 --> 03:40:41.680 and I think Scott and Kevin were mad because they 4396 03:40:41.719 --> 03:40:43.639 felt like if they were there, it never would have happened. 4397 03:40:43.719 --> 03:40:46.200 But right, Sean was left out, hung out to dry, 4398 03:40:46.239 --> 03:40:47.840 to get beat up like this by people who were 4399 03:40:48.319 --> 03:40:50.600 just too preoccupied getting fucked up in their own right. 4400 03:40:50.680 --> 03:40:53.079 Like I remember, I think Brett tells the story of 4401 03:40:53.120 --> 03:40:55.799 how Davy was just like so zonked in his own right, 4402 03:40:55.879 --> 03:40:57.719 that he was basically going in slow motion trying to 4403 03:40:57.840 --> 03:40:59.959 defend Sean and couldn't even stand on his own two 4404 03:41:00.040 --> 03:41:00.440 feet in his. 4405 03:41:00.440 --> 03:41:03.239 Own I'm sure. I'm sure he was punching at walls. 4406 03:41:03.200 --> 03:41:06.239 Real so, so yeah, that's that's what they leaned into, 4407 03:41:06.319 --> 03:41:09.120 I mean, really landed on thick though, with that piano 4408 03:41:09.239 --> 03:41:11.920 music and all. Yeah, oh my god, Jeff Unger just 4409 03:41:11.959 --> 03:41:14.399 totally willing to play his role. I mean, going out 4410 03:41:14.440 --> 03:41:16.159 there and saying like I don't think you should wrestle again, 4411 03:41:16.200 --> 03:41:20.239 and in my professional opinion and talking about post concussion 4412 03:41:20.280 --> 03:41:22.959 syndrome and real athletes. Hilarious, the amount of things that 4413 03:41:23.079 --> 03:41:26.040 it's so bizarre this guy to say in the white coat, 4414 03:41:27.040 --> 03:41:29.799 just to do a complete about face. Bruce Pritchard had 4415 03:41:29.799 --> 03:41:31.760 said in his podcast that you know, essentially after Sean 4416 03:41:31.799 --> 03:41:34.559 got a clean bill of health following that aforementioned attack 4417 03:41:34.600 --> 03:41:37.079 in Syracuse, they looked around and said, all right, he's 4418 03:41:37.120 --> 03:41:39.600 you know, he's clean from a health perspective. Let's so 4419 03:41:39.760 --> 03:41:41.319 let's make a story out of it. And then we 4420 03:41:41.440 --> 03:41:43.799 go from there as far as you know, building the 4421 03:41:43.840 --> 03:41:46.920 Owen heart kick so that they can get the the 4422 03:41:47.000 --> 03:41:49.479 story back on the table. It's a fresh issue, but 4423 03:41:49.680 --> 03:41:53.120 with the full tension of having Sewan overcome it, and 4424 03:41:53.280 --> 03:41:55.399 so was as you heard from one of those Resno 4425 03:41:55.479 --> 03:41:57.360 b articles. In fact, the first one we read, Shawn 4426 03:41:57.399 --> 03:41:59.760 Michaels goes out to Fresno to do publicity for the 4427 03:41:59.760 --> 03:42:03.079 World Rumble and is making himself available for interviews in 4428 03:42:03.120 --> 03:42:06.120 this press conference format about his head injury. And trying 4429 03:42:06.159 --> 03:42:08.079 to play it off is a real thing. He's coming 4430 03:42:08.120 --> 03:42:11.079 back from for reel here at the Royal Rumble, and 4431 03:42:11.200 --> 03:42:14.520 here he is on on a Monday night Raw announcing 4432 03:42:14.680 --> 03:42:16.639 in early nineteen ninety six. I believe the first or 4433 03:42:16.639 --> 03:42:19.639 second money Net Rob nineteen ninety six, that not only 4434 03:42:19.719 --> 03:42:21.719 is he back in action, but he's looking to win 4435 03:42:21.760 --> 03:42:22.639 the Royal Rumble again. 4436 03:42:23.479 --> 03:42:23.680 Yeah. 4437 03:42:23.760 --> 03:42:27.360 There he is the most undy, the most charismatic superstar 4438 03:42:27.840 --> 03:42:29.040 in the world that I saw. 4439 03:42:28.959 --> 03:42:33.000 Bible, I am a most exciting athlete in the World 4440 03:42:33.079 --> 03:42:33.920 Rustling Federation. 4441 03:42:34.760 --> 03:42:37.200 We look at that time. 4442 03:42:38.399 --> 03:42:39.600 I'm willing to go out there. 4443 03:42:40.079 --> 03:42:41.200 And lay it all on the line. 4444 03:42:43.959 --> 03:42:46.959 There is no mistakening that I want to go out here. 4445 03:42:46.879 --> 03:42:50.920 At the of the show, find good fine thiss got 4446 03:42:50.959 --> 03:42:51.760 time to the class. 4447 03:42:51.799 --> 03:42:52.200 Where's that? 4448 03:42:52.840 --> 03:42:55.879 What can I do tonight and make those people come 4449 03:42:55.920 --> 03:42:56.639 out of their stings? 4450 03:42:57.600 --> 03:42:59.600 What can I show these people. 4451 03:42:59.360 --> 03:43:02.680 That they have seeing What can I do to make 4452 03:43:02.760 --> 03:43:06.040 sure that when the fans of the World Wrestling Federation 4453 03:43:06.360 --> 03:43:09.520 file out of this arena, the one name that sticks 4454 03:43:09.559 --> 03:43:10.239 from their minds. 4455 03:43:10.520 --> 03:43:12.719 With Shawn Michaels, I was. 4456 03:43:12.799 --> 03:43:15.319 Riding eyes the World Wrestling Federation's top dog. 4457 03:43:16.159 --> 03:43:18.520 But then Shawn Michael's kind of reality check as he 4458 03:43:18.600 --> 03:43:19.639 was jumped by nine thugs. 4459 03:43:19.680 --> 03:43:20.680 It's Eyracuse, New York. 4460 03:43:22.040 --> 03:43:26.399 Due to the severity of Shawn Michael's compassion, I have 4461 03:43:26.520 --> 03:43:31.479 asked Seawn Michaels to publicly forfeit the intercomental Belt to 4462 03:43:31.559 --> 03:43:32.799 be tonight, I. 4463 03:43:32.879 --> 03:43:35.000 I had to do it in from the whole world. 4464 03:43:36.000 --> 03:43:39.239 Just wasn't an easy thing to do. From that point, 4465 03:43:41.040 --> 03:43:45.200 I let my ego take over and try to get 4466 03:43:45.280 --> 03:43:48.840 back into the ring against the advice of doctors and 4467 03:43:49.000 --> 03:43:52.479 friends and family, and that also. 4468 03:43:52.440 --> 03:44:00.959 Proved to be a mistake, collapsing the little ring. 4469 03:44:00.920 --> 03:44:05.079 On live television and all I remember is being escorted 4470 03:44:05.120 --> 03:44:06.680 off to the hospital. 4471 03:44:08.319 --> 03:44:12.399 Technically, Sewan does have brain damaging. With Shawn's chronological status, 4472 03:44:12.440 --> 03:44:13.600 any additional blows. 4473 03:44:13.360 --> 03:44:14.920 To the head could be life threatening. 4474 03:44:17.360 --> 03:44:21.239 I have goals and I have dreams, and I don't 4475 03:44:21.280 --> 03:44:23.760 know that I can live What makes them different from 4476 03:44:23.760 --> 03:44:24.440 everybody else. 4477 03:44:25.879 --> 03:44:30.959 With people around me? If I didn't do the one 4478 03:44:31.079 --> 03:44:36.799 thing that I know it is important to me, the 4479 03:44:36.879 --> 03:44:38.479 one thing that I know that I'm really good at. 4480 03:44:39.479 --> 03:44:42.639 So Shawn Michael's at this time is throwing his name 4481 03:44:44.040 --> 03:44:46.280 in the many names that will be competing at the 4482 03:44:46.360 --> 03:44:54.760 Royal Rumbo and Fresno. By now has become quite obvious 4483 03:44:54.799 --> 03:44:57.520 to everyone the hopes and dreams of a twelve year 4484 03:44:57.520 --> 03:45:01.600 old boy. It's become the World Wrestling Federation Champion, still 4485 03:45:01.639 --> 03:45:04.280 beat inside the heart of this thirty year old man. 4486 03:45:05.639 --> 03:45:08.799 Thanks to the fans of the World Rusting Federation and myself, 4487 03:45:10.079 --> 03:45:13.280 I've been given the second chance. But now time is 4488 03:45:13.360 --> 03:45:16.520 of the essence, and this Sunday night, the road to 4489 03:45:16.559 --> 03:45:20.840 the World Rusting Federation Championship goes through Presno, California and 4490 03:45:20.920 --> 03:45:24.719 the Royal Rumble and once again the Heartbreak Kid will 4491 03:45:24.760 --> 03:45:28.040 outlast twenty nine of the best superstars in the World 4492 03:45:28.079 --> 03:45:34.000 Wrestling Federation and then myself and all my fans. I 4493 03:45:34.120 --> 03:45:37.079 got a one way ticket to WrestleMania and the World 4494 03:45:37.159 --> 03:45:38.639 Rustling Federation Championship. 4495 03:45:39.959 --> 03:45:40.559 You heard it there. 4496 03:45:40.639 --> 03:45:42.120 Tell me a lie and say that you won't go. 4497 03:45:44.280 --> 03:45:46.639 I mean, you know, in retrospect, it's like, you know, 4498 03:45:47.239 --> 03:45:50.079 they they just took it up a whole notch. That 4499 03:45:50.280 --> 03:45:52.120 just I don't know why. It feels uncomfortable. 4500 03:45:52.479 --> 03:45:56.280 Well, it's just too syrupy sight, I mean, but the 4501 03:45:56.360 --> 03:45:59.879 idea that he was close to death, yeah, he does, 4502 03:46:00.680 --> 03:46:03.079 you know, he says, I'm beginning been given a second 4503 03:46:03.200 --> 03:46:06.159 chance since, Like I mean, I'm trying to think of 4504 03:46:06.239 --> 03:46:10.879 any angle in wrestling where they've talked about someone being 4505 03:46:11.000 --> 03:46:13.000 that close to death where they're like, you know what, 4506 03:46:13.719 --> 03:46:16.479 I've been given a second chance at this, Like I don't, 4507 03:46:16.639 --> 03:46:17.559 I don't see it well. 4508 03:46:17.600 --> 03:46:18.879 And had the doctor come on the air and say 4509 03:46:18.879 --> 03:46:21.040 one more blow to the head could be fatal. I know, 4510 03:46:21.479 --> 03:46:23.040 but and I guess, but that's the whole thing. 4511 03:46:23.079 --> 03:46:26.040 Like they took it to a level that I just 4512 03:46:26.159 --> 03:46:29.680 feel was really far, Like when have they done that 4513 03:46:30.479 --> 03:46:35.319 since where they've been like, you know, like didn't I 4514 03:46:35.360 --> 03:46:37.239 mean it would have been against the character in Austin, 4515 03:46:37.319 --> 03:46:39.239 but like they never did that with Austin afterwards, like 4516 03:46:39.360 --> 03:46:43.600 when he broke his neck, and you know, like I 4517 03:46:43.799 --> 03:46:46.840 just it's it. I mean, maybe it's because it's so 4518 03:46:47.000 --> 03:46:51.159 mushy that I take it a little more seriously, but 4519 03:46:51.360 --> 03:46:53.639 it's just like, yeah, like I feel like I'm watching 4520 03:46:55.040 --> 03:46:58.760 like twenty twenty Yeah, yeah exactly, and then doing like 4521 03:46:58.959 --> 03:47:02.360 a special on fucking Christopher Reeve or something. 4522 03:47:03.079 --> 03:47:05.760 It really feels that way. And to have like the 4523 03:47:05.920 --> 03:47:10.120 music and Vince like take that tone. It's yeah, it's 4524 03:47:10.159 --> 03:47:11.840 like he's not dead yet. Why are we talking about 4525 03:47:11.920 --> 03:47:12.120 him like. 4526 03:47:12.079 --> 03:47:15.079 He's and and he also wasn't close to dead, Like 4527 03:47:15.200 --> 03:47:16.440 do we need to take it that far? 4528 03:47:16.639 --> 03:47:19.920 Yeah, it is a little cheesy, it's a little it 4529 03:47:20.000 --> 03:47:22.360 smacks a little bit of really trying too hard to 4530 03:47:22.399 --> 03:47:25.760 get Sean to be that as like the the most 4531 03:47:25.799 --> 03:47:28.559 sympathetic baby face they've ever had. It kind of looks 4532 03:47:28.600 --> 03:47:29.719 like the kind of thing you do if you're not 4533 03:47:29.799 --> 03:47:33.840 really confident in the guy's the guy, you know, Yeah, yeah, right, 4534 03:47:34.000 --> 03:47:37.200 to really crank up the volume on whatever human interest 4535 03:47:37.239 --> 03:47:40.399 element there is to the guy's climb. And yeah, by 4536 03:47:40.399 --> 03:47:41.959 the time we get to WrestleMania, there's none of this 4537 03:47:42.079 --> 03:47:42.920 concussion stuff. 4538 03:47:43.600 --> 03:47:44.319 You know, it's not like it. 4539 03:47:44.559 --> 03:47:46.559 It's not like it follows him through the title wind. No, 4540 03:47:47.120 --> 03:47:48.639 this is not the end of it. He proves in 4541 03:47:48.680 --> 03:47:50.559 the by winning the Rumble essentially that he doesn't get 4542 03:47:50.559 --> 03:47:54.360 concussions anymore. And then he beats owen Hart at the 4543 03:47:54.360 --> 03:47:57.399 February in Your House as well to it to button 4544 03:47:57.479 --> 03:48:02.639 up that issue and then get spread at WrestleMania. Now 4545 03:48:02.719 --> 03:48:05.959 Brett's side, I'm Brett standing around with his arms folded, right, 4546 03:48:06.000 --> 03:48:09.600 he's the top guy He's the guy who actually closed 4547 03:48:09.639 --> 03:48:12.239 his the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble with Strap and 4548 03:48:12.360 --> 03:48:15.840 all of that. What's he thinking as this all takes 4549 03:48:15.840 --> 03:48:19.719 shape around Shawn Michaels, we turned to his book chapters 4550 03:48:19.760 --> 03:48:23.200 called The Snakes Are Docile. By January nine, ninety six, 4551 03:48:23.280 --> 03:48:24.920 Vince was looking high and low for talent. Just in 4552 03:48:25.000 --> 03:48:26.840 time for the Royal Rumble. He brought in four hundred 4553 03:48:26.840 --> 03:48:29.200 pound Vader, who had quit w c W after being 4554 03:48:29.239 --> 03:48:31.959 thumped good by Paul Orndorf in addressing room argument. Even 4555 03:48:32.040 --> 03:48:34.680 Jake the Snake slithered back. He'd left the business to 4556 03:48:34.719 --> 03:48:37.760 find God, vowing never to return, and when he reappeared 4557 03:48:37.760 --> 03:48:39.639 in the dressing room, he seemed weathered and humbled. He 4558 03:48:39.799 --> 03:48:42.520 was broke and divorced, and still appeared on Sunday morning 4559 03:48:42.559 --> 03:48:45.319 evangelical shows to tell everyone who would listen how Jesus 4560 03:48:45.319 --> 03:48:47.479 helped him beat his cocaine addiction. I was happy to 4561 03:48:47.520 --> 03:48:49.719 see the arrival of Steve Austin, now called the Ring Master, 4562 03:48:50.079 --> 03:48:53.200 with Ted Dibiassi as his manager. Royal Rumble mark Shawn's 4563 03:48:53.239 --> 03:48:55.959 first appearance since his face was mashed, and he won 4564 03:48:56.079 --> 03:48:58.360 for the second year in a row. Dancing and twirling 4565 03:48:58.399 --> 03:49:00.719 around the ring and pulling his tights right down past 4566 03:49:00.840 --> 03:49:01.639 the pubic line. 4567 03:49:02.000 --> 03:49:03.360 You know, let me ask you something, how did they 4568 03:49:03.399 --> 03:49:06.920 make Brett Hart feel? I'm granted, you know, no one 4569 03:49:06.959 --> 03:49:09.159 really cares about these matches as much as fans do. 4570 03:49:09.719 --> 03:49:11.799 But I'm wondering, how does they make Brett feel that 4571 03:49:13.760 --> 03:49:16.680 Shawn Michaels legitimately won two Royal Rumbles and Brett Hart 4572 03:49:16.760 --> 03:49:18.680 never won one legitimately by himself. 4573 03:49:19.239 --> 03:49:22.799 True, I know, I'm sure bothers them somewhere. 4574 03:49:23.799 --> 03:49:29.079 I'm sure. How about let me see here too, how 4575 03:49:29.120 --> 03:49:37.600 many WrestleManias has Brett Hart may have been in? Three? Right? 4576 03:49:38.360 --> 03:49:38.399 No? 4577 03:49:39.319 --> 03:49:44.479 Two, two No three three three three three? He did nine, 4578 03:49:44.600 --> 03:49:50.639 ten and twelve Sean with Sean So but Shawn Michaels 4579 03:49:50.680 --> 03:49:58.959 then did he had twelve? Fourteen, he did twenty seven, 4580 03:50:01.559 --> 03:50:03.799 twenty three, rather twenty three and twenty and seven he 4581 03:50:03.879 --> 03:50:05.760 did twenty three, he did twenty. Yeah, so he rest 4582 03:50:05.799 --> 03:50:09.360 he's made event more. Oh yeah, I had a longer career. 4583 03:50:09.440 --> 03:50:12.680 I mean he had that second twenty as well, twenty 4584 03:50:12.719 --> 03:50:14.760 as well. Yeah. No, I know, but it's still like 4585 03:50:14.840 --> 03:50:17.479 you'd think, you know, Brett Hart was on top for 4586 03:50:18.079 --> 03:50:19.920 so long during that period. You'd think that he would have, 4587 03:50:20.000 --> 03:50:21.360 but he didn't main event as many. 4588 03:50:21.479 --> 03:50:23.879 Oh that's the story that the battle like you wouldn't 4589 03:50:24.000 --> 03:50:26.399 wasn't suposed to headline wrestling in the ten you know, 4590 03:50:26.520 --> 03:50:29.200 they just they just couldn't make les work that It 4591 03:50:29.280 --> 03:50:31.200 was very clear from the Rumble ninety four finish that 4592 03:50:31.239 --> 03:50:33.200 it was time for Brett or Brett was the person 4593 03:50:33.239 --> 03:50:35.000 to go with. That's always been the story with Brett. 4594 03:50:35.040 --> 03:50:37.280 I mean, he he's he's like the winner in a 4595 03:50:37.319 --> 03:50:42.399 circumstance where the first choice falls through. You know, yeah, yeah, 4596 03:50:42.479 --> 03:50:46.319 that's kind of the story. Yes, and that is true. 4597 03:50:46.360 --> 03:50:48.719 There Sewn does nearly pull his pants all the way 4598 03:50:48.760 --> 03:50:52.319 down during the post match celebration, which I thought was 4599 03:50:52.399 --> 03:50:53.680 kind of a weird element to the character. 4600 03:50:53.760 --> 03:50:56.639 But there it was things like this, was he he 4601 03:50:56.760 --> 03:50:58.680 doesne playgrol already, hadn't he? Or that later? 4602 03:50:58.760 --> 03:51:01.000 Oh that's later in ninety six because he has the 4603 03:51:01.040 --> 03:51:03.600 belt covering his dick. Oh that's right, I'll win the 4604 03:51:03.639 --> 03:51:05.840 title first. Things like this made me and a lot 4605 03:51:05.840 --> 03:51:07.959 of the boys wonder about Sean Brett Wright's That night, 4606 03:51:08.040 --> 03:51:09.920 Taker and I also worked our first major pay per view. 4607 03:51:10.040 --> 03:51:12.000 He was wearing his protective mask from when Mabel had 4608 03:51:12.040 --> 03:51:14.239 fallen on his face for the finished Taker Tombstone in 4609 03:51:14.280 --> 03:51:15.719 the middle of the ring and pinned me with my 4610 03:51:15.840 --> 03:51:18.159 arms folded across my chest just as Diesel lumber down 4611 03:51:18.159 --> 03:51:20.040 the Aisland pulled her all out of the ring, stopping 4612 03:51:20.120 --> 03:51:21.879 him from making the three count. The pay per view 4613 03:51:21.959 --> 03:51:23.639 ended with me bent over in the ring, having injured 4614 03:51:23.639 --> 03:51:25.280 my knee for real. Lucky to well, I don't know 4615 03:51:25.280 --> 03:51:28.200 that heard his knee in this match, lucky to still 4616 03:51:28.239 --> 03:51:30.040 have the belt and take her stalking Diesel all the 4617 03:51:30.079 --> 03:51:31.639 way back to the dressing room. I have to say 4618 03:51:31.680 --> 03:51:35.159 it did little to build me for WrestleMania twelve, Vince's 4619 03:51:35.239 --> 03:51:35.840 latest project. 4620 03:51:35.920 --> 03:51:38.719 I mean, let me, but did you did he really 4621 03:51:38.760 --> 03:51:42.280 need to be built for WrestleMania. I mean not to do, 4622 03:51:42.520 --> 03:51:46.680 not to side with with Nash and whatever on the 4623 03:51:46.680 --> 03:51:50.959 whold thing, But like, this is Brett Hart's third time 4624 03:51:51.000 --> 03:51:53.639 as champion, right, what do you need to build with? Like, 4625 03:51:53.959 --> 03:51:55.719 you don't need to build up Brett Hart. Brett Hart 4626 03:51:55.840 --> 03:52:00.319 is already missed your solid like if anything, you know, 4627 03:52:00.719 --> 03:52:02.799 especially for me as a fan, it's like, oh here 4628 03:52:02.879 --> 03:52:04.959 we go again, another fucking Brett Heart title run. Like right, 4629 03:52:05.360 --> 03:52:08.280 you know, he's already he's like he's untouchable. 4630 03:52:08.360 --> 03:52:08.719 You can't. 4631 03:52:09.719 --> 03:52:11.799 They could have jobbed him every week for a month 4632 03:52:11.920 --> 03:52:13.680 and it would not have mattered, Like he still would 4633 03:52:13.680 --> 03:52:15.360 have been main event Brett Hart and people would have 4634 03:52:15.799 --> 03:52:18.000 he would have been a draw, like he have that 4635 03:52:18.239 --> 03:52:21.399 kind of status, like I I mean, I guess maybe 4636 03:52:21.520 --> 03:52:23.840 it's just the paranoia of the business that makes them 4637 03:52:24.399 --> 03:52:28.280 freak out like that, but like like he was there, 4638 03:52:28.360 --> 03:52:31.479 like he was there's no way he was a made man, 4639 03:52:32.040 --> 03:52:35.120 like you know, nothing's going to take him down. I 4640 03:52:35.159 --> 03:52:37.040 think it was kind of weird that he gets upset 4641 03:52:37.040 --> 03:52:40.200 about that, like in I mean, just I you didn't 4642 03:52:40.239 --> 03:52:43.680 have to do anything. Just the idea of Sean Michaels 4643 03:52:43.719 --> 03:52:46.079 and Brett Hart was money. 4644 03:52:47.680 --> 03:52:49.200 I agree, And I think it's a point of personal 4645 03:52:49.239 --> 03:52:51.840 pride more than anything, where it's like everyone's compared themselves 4646 03:52:51.879 --> 03:52:54.879 to Hogan, and Hogan would not be taking l's on 4647 03:52:55.000 --> 03:52:56.520 the way to a WrestleMania match where he's going to 4648 03:52:56.559 --> 03:52:59.680 lose the title. He's not going to be having situations 4649 03:52:59.680 --> 03:53:02.680 all the time where it looks like somebody else basically 4650 03:53:02.920 --> 03:53:06.120 beat him, be an Undertaker or Diesel before the WrestleMania match, 4651 03:53:06.200 --> 03:53:09.680 because you know in Brett's mind, and it's what you 4652 03:53:09.760 --> 03:53:11.840 do from a sound booking perspective. Even if you have 4653 03:53:11.920 --> 03:53:14.639 the luxury of knowing that Brett is going to stay over, 4654 03:53:14.799 --> 03:53:16.520 just like Rick Flair is going to stay over if 4655 03:53:16.559 --> 03:53:19.239 you don't book him this way, that that doesn't change 4656 03:53:19.280 --> 03:53:21.040 the fact that you know, if you really want to 4657 03:53:21.079 --> 03:53:23.319 make the big climactic match for the title feel as 4658 03:53:23.360 --> 03:53:26.680 climactic as possible, both sides of the equation should not 4659 03:53:26.799 --> 03:53:29.200 really lose on the way to that match. That's how 4660 03:53:29.239 --> 03:53:31.719 to maximize the impact of the match when you get there. 4661 03:53:31.920 --> 03:53:34.040 Doesn't mean the guy can't prove resilient if you do 4662 03:53:34.200 --> 03:53:36.000 something different than that on the way to the match. 4663 03:53:36.280 --> 03:53:38.159 But if you're one of those guys, you have to wonder, like, 4664 03:53:38.239 --> 03:53:41.799 why why don't they believe in this match enough to 4665 03:53:42.000 --> 03:53:44.639 keep me essentially flawless going into it, thus making it 4666 03:53:44.680 --> 03:53:45.959 as big as it possibly could be? 4667 03:53:46.360 --> 03:53:48.559 You know, why are they? I mean because it's also 4668 03:53:48.600 --> 03:53:53.719 one of those things too, where it's such a foregone 4669 03:53:53.719 --> 03:53:58.600 conclusion the moment that he won the Rumble, you knew 4670 03:53:58.600 --> 03:54:02.879 he was going to win a Mania. Yeah, Like it's 4671 03:54:02.959 --> 03:54:05.840 it's it's one of those things where you really I 4672 03:54:05.879 --> 03:54:09.000 don't think there's anything he could have done, hon as 4673 03:54:09.000 --> 03:54:12.840 anything Brett could have done to make anyone think that 4674 03:54:14.120 --> 03:54:16.239 Sean wasn't gonna walk away with a belt. 4675 03:54:16.440 --> 03:54:18.719 Do you think if he beat Undertaker and Diesel Clean 4676 03:54:18.799 --> 03:54:21.120 in January in February that that wouldn't create some doubt? 4677 03:54:21.600 --> 03:54:23.959 I don't think so, Okay, I don't. I don't think 4678 03:54:24.040 --> 03:54:27.040 for me anyway. I mean the moment Shawn Michaels won, 4679 03:54:27.120 --> 03:54:29.479 I knew he was gonna win. Yeah, none of the 4680 03:54:29.520 --> 03:54:32.120 stuff that mattered, Like, like, to me, the only the 4681 03:54:32.239 --> 03:54:33.559 only way I would have thought that. 4682 03:54:33.719 --> 03:54:35.440 He wasn't gonna win, it would have been Wrestlmania when 4683 03:54:35.440 --> 03:54:36.959 they went to the when they went to the tail 4684 03:54:37.000 --> 03:54:40.520 of Madraw. That that's it, Like the time of my 4685 03:54:40.600 --> 03:54:42.719 draw would have been in like wow, they fucking didn't 4686 03:54:42.719 --> 03:54:45.920 go through with it, you know. But the rest of it, 4687 03:54:47.280 --> 03:54:49.079 I was like, I was certain he was gonna win. 4688 03:54:49.159 --> 03:54:50.920 Like to me, it was a foregone conclusion. It was 4689 03:54:50.959 --> 03:54:55.360 as it was as as obvious as you could get. 4690 03:54:55.639 --> 03:54:58.200 Yeah, perhaps Brett is overestimating the degree to which any 4691 03:54:58.280 --> 03:55:01.399 kind of booking would have really fundamentally changed the way 4692 03:55:01.479 --> 03:55:03.399 the fans saw him going into wrestling, and to me, 4693 03:55:03.559 --> 03:55:04.719 that's that's where it became. 4694 03:55:06.040 --> 03:55:08.200 It became that that became the intrigued And I didn't 4695 03:55:08.200 --> 03:55:11.040 even get wrestling year twelve, but that's the intrigue of 4696 03:55:11.079 --> 03:55:14.959 the match. Was like, they're gonna put the belt on Sean, Like, sorry, Brett, 4697 03:55:15.040 --> 03:55:18.239 I know, but like that's that's the intrigue. If the 4698 03:55:18.280 --> 03:55:20.360 intrigue is putting on putting the belt on somebody new 4699 03:55:21.239 --> 03:55:25.680 and uh, you don't need to be strong for that. 4700 03:55:28.000 --> 03:55:29.840 I mean, I could be completely off base. And I 4701 03:55:29.959 --> 03:55:32.280 also again, you know, I had issue. You know, I 4702 03:55:32.440 --> 03:55:37.399 was already over Brett Hart by that point, but there 4703 03:55:37.520 --> 03:55:41.760 wasn't anything Brett could have done to make me wish 4704 03:55:41.840 --> 03:55:45.559 that I had gotten the show more than well, you 4705 03:55:45.639 --> 03:55:46.600 know what I was already feeling. 4706 03:55:46.760 --> 03:55:49.120 Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. You know, I think in wrestling, 4707 03:55:50.360 --> 03:55:53.159 when you foregone conclusion is not a bad thing, right, 4708 03:55:53.440 --> 03:55:56.000 that's agreed. That's a good thing when you get the 4709 03:55:56.040 --> 03:55:58.479 fans dialed into feeling like if they go to the 4710 03:55:58.559 --> 03:56:00.479 show or they buy the show, they will see something 4711 03:56:00.559 --> 03:56:04.040 historic happen. But I feel like the absolute best promotions 4712 03:56:04.799 --> 03:56:07.120 of a match go a step further than that. And 4713 03:56:08.040 --> 03:56:11.680 recognize that the fans expect this certain thing to happen, 4714 03:56:11.760 --> 03:56:14.040 and while you do, you know, plan on delivering that. 4715 03:56:15.000 --> 03:56:16.719 The real strength that puts it over the top and 4716 03:56:16.799 --> 03:56:18.719 makes it great is when you can do things that 4717 03:56:18.879 --> 03:56:21.040 make people doubt that in the home stretch. 4718 03:56:21.639 --> 03:56:23.959 I agree, you know, I mean, I agree that normal 4719 03:56:24.040 --> 03:56:27.559 circumstances would do that. But again, it's like you've got 4720 03:56:29.920 --> 03:56:33.399 you know, Brett Hart was was the. 4721 03:56:36.040 --> 03:56:36.520 Was the guy. 4722 03:56:38.000 --> 03:56:43.680 It's like, you know, it's it's kind of like, I mean, 4723 03:56:43.680 --> 03:56:47.559 I don't know how much of a I don't know. 4724 03:56:47.600 --> 03:56:49.600 I'm trying to think of like a Hogan title loss, 4725 03:56:49.639 --> 03:56:51.920 Like how much of any of his title losses were 4726 03:56:51.920 --> 03:56:54.719 foregone conclusions. I don't know about wrestling many in six 4727 03:56:54.760 --> 03:56:55.000 at all. 4728 03:56:55.239 --> 03:56:57.479 Yeah, I'm thinking of that as the closest analogy. 4729 03:56:58.000 --> 03:56:59.920 Yeah, Like, I don't know how many people were like, 4730 03:57:00.120 --> 03:57:01.600 there's no way that Hogan's coming out of this. 4731 03:57:02.959 --> 03:57:05.879 And if if Hogan dropped two DQ losses on the 4732 03:57:05.920 --> 03:57:08.920 way to WrestleMania six, you know that doesn't help Warrior. 4733 03:57:10.239 --> 03:57:13.200 I mean, he did lose to he did lose to uh, 4734 03:57:13.879 --> 03:57:15.360 I don't remember when it was, but did lose to 4735 03:57:15.440 --> 03:57:17.440 Genius by count out on Satay. It's main event around 4736 03:57:17.479 --> 03:57:21.879 that time, eighty nine was it was far back I think. 4737 03:57:22.840 --> 03:57:25.559 I don't know. I don't think it was like early 4738 03:57:25.680 --> 03:57:28.639 ninety or something. Okay, I don't know, but you know, 4739 03:57:28.760 --> 03:57:31.440 I don't know. It's also a different time, like you're 4740 03:57:31.479 --> 03:57:37.680 you're doing. Hogan didn't have the Hogan wasn't doing uh, 4741 03:57:38.719 --> 03:57:43.319 you know, pay per views in weekly television leading up 4742 03:57:43.360 --> 03:57:44.239 to WrestleMania. 4743 03:57:44.399 --> 03:57:48.879 I'm sure Brett would have been fine with that, you know, right, And. 4744 03:57:49.680 --> 03:57:52.040 It's like, I don't know. 4745 03:57:52.559 --> 03:57:52.760 To me. 4746 03:57:52.920 --> 03:57:55.399 I again, I just never to me that those things 4747 03:57:55.520 --> 03:57:57.440 never hurt. I mean, if anything, I wanted Diesel to 4748 03:57:57.479 --> 03:58:01.399 win at in your house, right right, So if anything, 4749 03:58:01.440 --> 03:58:07.159 I was disappointed, but he didn't win, you know, And yeah, 4750 03:58:08.159 --> 03:58:10.920 it never really it never really bothered me that he 4751 03:58:11.040 --> 03:58:15.200 didn't win again because I just came. I was like, Okay, 4752 03:58:15.440 --> 03:58:18.559 Sean getting the belt and the moment he kicks Diesel out, 4753 03:58:18.600 --> 03:58:21.680 he's getting the belt, and there's nothing you can do 4754 03:58:21.879 --> 03:58:23.719 that would make me think otherwise. I really don't think 4755 03:58:23.920 --> 03:58:24.440 it's interesting. 4756 03:58:24.559 --> 03:58:27.120 I'm interesting to hear from fans on that too, listeners 4757 03:58:27.520 --> 03:58:31.159 sort of how they perceived Sean's inevitability at the time, 4758 03:58:31.559 --> 03:58:33.840 and whether Brett could have been stronger going into the show, 4759 03:58:33.879 --> 03:58:37.120 or if that made any difference at all. But yeah, 4760 03:58:37.799 --> 03:58:40.680 he continues in his book, Vince's latest project was Billionaire 4761 03:58:40.719 --> 03:58:42.719 Ted Skits, which mocked Ted Turner as a redneck and 4762 03:58:42.760 --> 03:58:45.360 mocked his acquisitions from WWF as Over the Hill has beens. 4763 03:58:45.639 --> 03:58:47.799 He had two old men spoofing Randy and Hogan's Nacho 4764 03:58:47.879 --> 03:58:49.719 Man in the Huckster. Vince had built them up and 4765 03:58:49.799 --> 03:58:51.559 now he was knocking them down. When I went to 4766 03:58:51.639 --> 03:58:53.559 do a live promo with Vince, he told me to 4767 03:58:53.639 --> 03:58:56.000 just shoot about everything. But when I sarcastically asked him 4768 03:58:56.040 --> 03:58:57.840 whether I should say the WWF was the Shawn and 4769 03:58:57.879 --> 03:59:01.520 Diesel show now, he stammered viscently and stopped me. On 4770 03:59:01.639 --> 03:59:03.920 January twenty seventh, I arrived at the paper at WOW 4771 03:59:04.280 --> 03:59:07.120 brand new Bryce Jordan Center and University Park, Pennsylvania to 4772 03:59:07.159 --> 03:59:09.040 find a huge story breaking in the dressing room. The 4773 03:59:09.159 --> 03:59:11.559 Road Warriors and Miss Elizabeth had shown up in WCW, 4774 03:59:11.920 --> 03:59:14.440 and word was that Diesel and Razor were considering jumping 4775 03:59:14.479 --> 03:59:16.799 to so Brett pegs it as January twenty seventh when 4776 03:59:16.840 --> 03:59:19.399 the word starts spreading around the locker room about Diesel 4777 03:59:19.479 --> 03:59:22.520 and Razor jumping. So that is wow set after this show. 4778 03:59:22.559 --> 03:59:25.079 Actually didn't write down when the nineteen ninety six rumble 4779 03:59:25.280 --> 03:59:32.079 was let's see January twenty first. Yeah, so that would 4780 03:59:32.120 --> 03:59:36.200 be after the rumble that he pegs. The word really 4781 03:59:36.239 --> 03:59:40.120 starting to spread and accelerate the week after. 4782 03:59:41.559 --> 03:59:57.440 Fan wrestling podcast, The wrestling podcast that knows the boys 4783 03:59:57.600 --> 03:59:58.360 need their candy. 4784 03:59:59.079 --> 04:00:00.079 It's the Lapsed. 4785 04:00:14.840 --> 04:00:18.760 He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio 4786 04:00:19.159 --> 04:00:20.239 and JP Sorow. 4787 04:00:20.959 --> 04:00:23.719 Okay, this was a shock to everybody Brett right, especially Sean, 4788 04:00:24.000 --> 04:00:25.959 who looked anxious at the thought of being left behind. 4789 04:00:26.239 --> 04:00:28.319 Despite the overall tension between the boys and the click, 4790 04:00:28.399 --> 04:00:30.200 Sean and I had never let onto each other that 4791 04:00:30.319 --> 04:00:32.520 there were any problems between us. He told me that 4792 04:00:32.559 --> 04:00:34.520 he hoped Diesel and Razor would stay because after he 4793 04:00:34.559 --> 04:00:37.440 became champion at WrestleMania twelve, he figured on working with them, 4794 04:00:38.159 --> 04:00:40.440 as hegested he had fresh guys to work with, such 4795 04:00:40.440 --> 04:00:43.079 as Vader and Austin. He nervously chewed on his nail, 4796 04:00:43.200 --> 04:00:45.680 spit out a piece, and shook his head. I'd rather 4797 04:00:45.760 --> 04:00:47.879 work with Hunter and do another little program with the kid. 4798 04:00:48.760 --> 04:00:49.079 Wow. 4799 04:00:49.360 --> 04:00:51.600 I had spoken of Rowan, Jim and Davy over the years, 4800 04:00:51.639 --> 04:00:54.399 but I never pushed them to the exclusion of everybody 4801 04:00:54.479 --> 04:00:56.600 else as Sean fully intended to do with his clique. 4802 04:00:56.760 --> 04:00:59.399 I realized then that the Heartbreak Kid didn't have the 4803 04:00:59.479 --> 04:01:04.600 heart be Champion. So we're already starting to bubble up. 4804 04:01:04.760 --> 04:01:04.920 You know. 4805 04:01:05.000 --> 04:01:07.120 We started our nineteen ninety seven journey, our road to 4806 04:01:07.159 --> 04:01:10.399 Montreal with the nineteen ninety seven Rumble, and felt like 4807 04:01:10.440 --> 04:01:12.959 we were kind of early then in charting the history 4808 04:01:12.959 --> 04:01:15.440 of tensions between Shawn and But we just recently did 4809 04:01:15.479 --> 04:01:17.680 in your House. It's time from December nineteen ninety six 4810 04:01:17.760 --> 04:01:20.280 where it really reaches a higher point when they're basically 4811 04:01:20.319 --> 04:01:22.319 shooting and shooting at each other in the ring on 4812 04:01:22.360 --> 04:01:24.840 Monday Night Raw into and around that show. And they 4813 04:01:24.840 --> 04:01:26.719 still thought that Shawn and bretton the rematch would be 4814 04:01:26.760 --> 04:01:29.239 part of WrestleMania thirteen. But man, you can go all 4815 04:01:29.239 --> 04:01:30.799 the way back to here, you know, all the way 4816 04:01:30.879 --> 04:01:34.479 back to how Sean saw himself as handicapped by the 4817 04:01:34.520 --> 04:01:37.719 departures of Razor and Diesel when Wow, they wanted to 4818 04:01:37.719 --> 04:01:39.639 continue the whole thing they had going in ninety five. 4819 04:01:39.719 --> 04:01:42.200 It was the same thing as we'll get to with Razor. 4820 04:01:42.200 --> 04:01:43.479 I mean, he was putting up a stink because he 4821 04:01:43.719 --> 04:01:45.920 wanted to work a program with Kid. He didn't want 4822 04:01:45.920 --> 04:01:47.719 to work with gold Dust. Once it was clear that 4823 04:01:47.799 --> 04:01:50.040 he was leaving, and also that he had been suspended 4824 04:01:50.079 --> 04:01:53.000 for a marijuana test, that he'd have to drop the 4825 04:01:53.200 --> 04:01:55.079 icy strapped, then it was less important. He did get 4826 04:01:55.159 --> 04:01:56.760 Kid to do the you know, the run into costume 4827 04:01:56.760 --> 04:01:59.200 the championship against gold Dust, but all these guys wanted 4828 04:01:59.200 --> 04:02:01.239 to do his work against each other. The night after this, 4829 04:02:01.639 --> 04:02:05.639 Ramon wrestles Hunter On Raw, a guy he wanted to 4830 04:02:06.040 --> 04:02:07.440 slot in instead of gold Dust. 4831 04:02:08.079 --> 04:02:08.360 Wow. 4832 04:02:09.000 --> 04:02:11.000 Of course the time still thought of as a candidate 4833 04:02:11.079 --> 04:02:12.559 to win the nineteen ninety six King of the Ring 4834 04:02:12.639 --> 04:02:15.120 tournament at this time. That gets blown up, of course 4835 04:02:15.200 --> 04:02:18.680 by the click farewell in May at Madison Square Garden. 4836 04:02:18.760 --> 04:02:20.920 That that's the subject of so much lower. But yeah, 4837 04:02:20.959 --> 04:02:22.200 you want to go all the way back to here 4838 04:02:22.399 --> 04:02:24.479 Brett looking at Sean and being shaking his head like 4839 04:02:24.959 --> 04:02:26.399 all this guy wants to do is work with his 4840 04:02:26.479 --> 04:02:29.479 four buddies. That's how he sees his title reign unfolding. 4841 04:02:29.559 --> 04:02:31.559 Despite all this new talent we're getting. 4842 04:02:31.760 --> 04:02:33.120 Isn't that kind of the way he still is today? 4843 04:02:33.200 --> 04:02:33.600 Mm hmm. 4844 04:02:34.200 --> 04:02:36.920 Yeah. Pretty much the same old fucking story lines over 4845 04:02:36.959 --> 04:02:37.840 and over again. Yep. 4846 04:02:38.159 --> 04:02:40.639 And now he's having an XT. Guys and gals do it, 4847 04:02:41.120 --> 04:02:41.680 That's what I mean. 4848 04:02:41.879 --> 04:02:42.920 Yep. Absolutely. 4849 04:02:43.879 --> 04:02:45.559 But we talk about Sean winning the rumble, and we 4850 04:02:45.680 --> 04:02:48.200 talk about Brett and Diesel and their roles and all this. 4851 04:02:48.319 --> 04:02:50.040 We mentioned Vader, we'll get more into him. Of course, 4852 04:02:50.200 --> 04:02:54.319 Jake somebody else that that should have been in the 4853 04:02:54.360 --> 04:02:57.000 final four of this match but didn't get there. 4854 04:02:57.840 --> 04:03:02.040 Ooh, do you know who it was? I don't know 4855 04:03:02.639 --> 04:03:03.479 who was who was it? 4856 04:03:04.000 --> 04:03:06.399 I won three roll rumbles, but I didn't really like 4857 04:03:06.440 --> 04:03:09.680 the roll rumbles because there's so much going on, so 4858 04:03:09.879 --> 04:03:13.079 many things that are just you know, can't go wrong, 4859 04:03:13.360 --> 04:03:15.760 because everything's got to get kind of got to work out, 4860 04:03:16.159 --> 04:03:18.959 you know what I'm speaking of without just spelling it out. 4861 04:03:19.639 --> 04:03:21.920 And I'll never forget. In San Diego, at my first 4862 04:03:22.280 --> 04:03:24.639 roll rumble, I was supposed to be the fourth. 4863 04:03:24.479 --> 04:03:27.120 Guy left in the ring sakes. 4864 04:03:27.200 --> 04:03:28.920 He or somebody gave me a clothes line and the 4865 04:03:29.040 --> 04:03:31.719 ropes were so baby old up from everybody wearing baby 4866 04:03:31.760 --> 04:03:34.719 old I slept and there was a bunch of guys 4867 04:03:34.799 --> 04:03:36.600 in the ring, and I went out way early. 4868 04:03:37.000 --> 04:03:38.000 And I hit the ground. 4869 04:03:38.120 --> 04:03:39.920 And you know, I'm still pretty new in the company 4870 04:03:39.959 --> 04:03:42.040 at this time, Ryan, but they're gonna try to, you know, 4871 04:03:42.239 --> 04:03:43.879 keep me in the rumbles. So they're giving me a 4872 04:03:43.920 --> 04:03:47.000 little bit of a push and I blew it, and 4873 04:03:47.120 --> 04:03:50.399 so I hit the ground. Because Sean Michaels was gonna 4874 04:03:50.399 --> 04:03:52.719 be pivotal as far as you know, me getting out. 4875 04:03:53.319 --> 04:03:55.000 I was sitting there, someone was beating the hell out 4876 04:03:55.040 --> 04:03:56.799 of you, and I was kind of looking at him 4877 04:03:56.799 --> 04:03:59.760 over the mat like this, like, dude, I'm out, and 4878 04:03:59.840 --> 04:04:01.639 he kind of goes like this lander is getting his 4879 04:04:01.680 --> 04:04:06.840 ass kick. It goes like this, So, you know, I 4880 04:04:07.280 --> 04:04:10.040 didn't really care for roll rumbles. I won three, and 4881 04:04:10.120 --> 04:04:11.360 I'm glad that I won three. 4882 04:04:11.559 --> 04:04:15.639 And there's Steve with his classic his his best moments. 4883 04:04:15.680 --> 04:04:19.399 He hated. But yeah, but that's so funny, Like, you know, 4884 04:04:19.520 --> 04:04:21.479 you know, I do remember, I do. I feel like 4885 04:04:21.559 --> 04:04:24.280 I do remember hearing that he was that he I 4886 04:04:24.280 --> 04:04:25.559 don't think I realized he was going to be one 4887 04:04:25.559 --> 04:04:28.920 of the final four, but I do remember, Wait, does 4888 04:04:29.000 --> 04:04:31.920 he know that that that Fresnos on the other side 4889 04:04:31.959 --> 04:04:33.399 of fucking California. 4890 04:04:32.959 --> 04:04:34.120 And now these guys have trouble with that. 4891 04:04:34.680 --> 04:04:34.920 Christ. 4892 04:04:35.239 --> 04:04:37.719 It's so funny to well, that's it. You know, Nash 4893 04:04:37.799 --> 04:04:39.319 gets it right every time. But it's so funny to 4894 04:04:39.399 --> 04:04:43.079 me how these wrestlers like it means enough to them 4895 04:04:43.239 --> 04:04:45.319 where the show was that they bring the city up 4896 04:04:45.360 --> 04:04:47.760 every time, but they still don't get it right most 4897 04:04:47.799 --> 04:04:49.959 of the time or half the time. It's like, why 4898 04:04:50.000 --> 04:04:52.120 does this Why is it so important for you to 4899 04:04:52.200 --> 04:04:53.559 mention what city it was in if you're not even 4900 04:04:53.559 --> 04:04:55.200 going to get the wrong city right. 4901 04:04:58.760 --> 04:04:59.399 But I remember that. 4902 04:04:59.479 --> 04:05:01.360 But yeah, I remember him leaving. 4903 04:05:02.840 --> 04:05:05.399 I think I think because I I brought up like 4904 04:05:05.920 --> 04:05:09.520 has anyone ever fucked up one time when we did 4905 04:05:09.559 --> 04:05:12.479 a Royal Rumble show years ago, and I feel like 4906 04:05:12.559 --> 04:05:14.719 this story came up that he did fuck up, like 4907 04:05:14.840 --> 04:05:17.159 he did accidentally get eliminated. But again, I didn't realize 4908 04:05:17.200 --> 04:05:20.559 he was going to Final four. I thought I thought 4909 04:05:20.600 --> 04:05:24.360 it was I don't know what, I don't know, just 4910 04:05:24.440 --> 04:05:25.920 I didn't think he was going out that far. 4911 04:05:26.239 --> 04:05:28.559 Yeah, a year before he went to Final four in 4912 04:05:28.639 --> 04:05:29.040 your House. 4913 04:05:29.840 --> 04:05:32.399 Yes, the year after he did go to Final four. 4914 04:05:33.760 --> 04:05:35.120 But and he was in the final four of the 4915 04:05:35.200 --> 04:05:38.479 Royal Rumble two for that matter, he was. But yeah, 4916 04:05:38.520 --> 04:05:40.760 he won the ro Rumble the next year, that's true. 4917 04:05:40.799 --> 04:05:42.399 But he still was part of the final four. 4918 04:05:42.760 --> 04:05:45.360 Yeah, you have to be part of. 4919 04:05:49.399 --> 04:05:53.040 Oh wait a minute, he was eliminated, so he actually 4920 04:05:53.079 --> 04:05:55.600 wasn't part of the final four. I think if I'm 4921 04:05:55.600 --> 04:05:57.639 not mistaken, because the whole point was that it was 4922 04:05:58.239 --> 04:06:01.399 the three other guys who were in the match after him. 4923 04:06:01.600 --> 04:06:02.360 But think about it. 4924 04:06:02.520 --> 04:06:05.639 Think about a world where is Steve Austin with white 4925 04:06:05.680 --> 04:06:08.239 boots with black stars on them and the Bruce Willis 4926 04:06:08.360 --> 04:06:12.440 pulp fiction haircut blonde ring master Steve Austin goes to 4927 04:06:12.520 --> 04:06:14.440 the final four in his first Rumble. 4928 04:06:14.879 --> 04:06:17.360 I mean I would have bought it, because you know, 4929 04:06:17.559 --> 04:06:20.600 I was. I was excited for you know again, I'm 4930 04:06:20.719 --> 04:06:22.559 like the only person in the world who was excited 4931 04:06:22.600 --> 04:06:27.079 that Steve Austin was in the WW I guess Brett 4932 04:06:27.120 --> 04:06:31.879 Hart was too, but uh, I kind of, I kind 4933 04:06:31.920 --> 04:06:37.040 of vaguely, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm now putting 4934 04:06:37.079 --> 04:06:39.639 myself on the place I remember he I don't remember 4935 04:06:39.639 --> 04:06:43.120 if I was like. One of two things happened for 4936 04:06:43.200 --> 04:06:47.040 me was that number one he debuted and I saw 4937 04:06:47.120 --> 04:06:54.239 his debut with with teddybas And, and I for either 4938 04:06:54.280 --> 04:06:56.879 forgot about him and was like, oh shit, there he 4939 04:06:57.000 --> 04:07:00.440 is in the Royal Rumble, or it was there is around, 4940 04:07:00.479 --> 04:07:02.760 but like, oh shit, he's already out right. One of 4941 04:07:02.799 --> 04:07:04.280 those I had one of those two feelings. I don't 4942 04:07:04.280 --> 04:07:06.520 remember which one it was, but one of those two 4943 04:07:06.879 --> 04:07:09.319 feelings was what I felt towards Austin at the time. 4944 04:07:10.079 --> 04:07:11.719 But I think he I don't think I would not 4945 04:07:11.840 --> 04:07:13.440 have been surprised. I think it was more I was 4946 04:07:13.479 --> 04:07:15.000 surprised that he was eliminated so early. 4947 04:07:15.239 --> 04:07:18.079 Well you can hear in the commentary that they're surprised too. 4948 04:07:18.959 --> 04:07:21.639 Mister perfect all of a sudden goes where's Austin And 4949 04:07:21.719 --> 04:07:25.799 you can tell like he was quite expecting it. Just 4950 04:07:25.879 --> 04:07:28.200 to me smacked of like he had been told that 4951 04:07:28.399 --> 04:07:30.680 Austin was going to go far and try to emphasize 4952 04:07:30.680 --> 04:07:33.120 how well he's doing or how much of a survivor 4953 04:07:33.159 --> 04:07:36.520 he is in there. And and what happens is that 4954 04:07:36.639 --> 04:07:40.360 elimination because it wasn't expected at the time, basically happens 4955 04:07:40.360 --> 04:07:42.120 off to the corner of your screen while the camera's 4956 04:07:42.120 --> 04:07:44.799 focused on something else happening. Sean's hanging upside down by 4957 04:07:44.799 --> 04:07:46.479 his leg for the tenth time in the match during this, 4958 04:07:46.559 --> 04:07:49.079 for example, and they have to replay it like a 4959 04:07:49.159 --> 04:07:51.719 minute after Austin gets eliminated because they just start putting 4960 04:07:51.719 --> 04:07:53.760 the pieces together as to what happened, and when they 4961 04:07:53.799 --> 04:07:56.440 replay it, you can see that Fat too throws him. 4962 04:07:56.520 --> 04:07:59.120 Earlier in the match, Austin does a cool thing where 4963 04:07:59.159 --> 04:08:01.280 like he gets hit and he jumps back into the 4964 04:08:01.360 --> 04:08:03.799 top rope and he bounces his back off the rope 4965 04:08:03.840 --> 04:08:06.159 and comes back in the ring instead of goes back 4966 04:08:06.239 --> 04:08:08.840 at ass overt kilt to the floor. And I feel 4967 04:08:08.840 --> 04:08:11.280 like he was kind of, I don't know, maybe a 4968 04:08:11.319 --> 04:08:14.520 little too confident that he had a command of the 4969 04:08:14.600 --> 04:08:19.079 ropes and could tease a near elimination in more dynamic 4970 04:08:19.120 --> 04:08:21.479 ways than we're accustomed to. And you can see just 4971 04:08:22.079 --> 04:08:23.840 he goes to reach to grab the ropes as he 4972 04:08:23.879 --> 04:08:27.360 goes over to kicks him, and he just goes fly 4973 04:08:27.520 --> 04:08:29.239 into the floor. And it looks like a clean elimination 4974 04:08:29.360 --> 04:08:31.479 at first, but when you hear him tell the story, 4975 04:08:31.520 --> 04:08:33.120 then you look back you can kind of see maybe 4976 04:08:33.200 --> 04:08:36.959 where the opportunities he would take to stop himself fail 4977 04:08:37.280 --> 04:08:39.719 and he just hits the floor and you can see 4978 04:08:39.719 --> 04:08:42.840 he comes up, and so Michaels is like, let's say, 4979 04:08:43.360 --> 04:08:45.680 let's say your hard camera. Michaels is in the bottom 4980 04:08:45.760 --> 04:08:47.840 left corner, hanging on by a thread as the guys 4981 04:08:47.879 --> 04:08:50.840 try to eliminate him. This happens on the far side 4982 04:08:50.840 --> 04:08:53.120 of the ring, and then when Austin hits the floor 4983 04:08:53.159 --> 04:08:55.760 on the far side, you can see him officials around 4984 04:08:55.799 --> 04:08:57.920 him trying to figure out what the consequences of this are, 4985 04:08:58.159 --> 04:09:00.399 and he's got his eyes locked on Sean, who's hanging 4986 04:09:00.479 --> 04:09:02.879 upside down in the corner, and he comes down to 4987 04:09:02.959 --> 04:09:05.520 the corner of the ring. Austin does the far corner 4988 04:09:05.879 --> 04:09:08.239 and finally he makes eye contact and he like does 4989 04:09:08.280 --> 04:09:11.120 a throat slash towards Sean. Michaels like I'm out, Yeah, 4990 04:09:11.280 --> 04:09:13.239 I'm out, And you can't see Sean's eyes. But the 4991 04:09:13.239 --> 04:09:15.159 way Steve Austin describes it there in that interview with 4992 04:09:15.239 --> 04:09:19.440 Ryan Sattin, what he described was Michael's eyes basically bugging wide, 4993 04:09:19.520 --> 04:09:21.959 like WHOA, what the fuck's gonna happened now? Because, as 4994 04:09:22.319 --> 04:09:25.520 Austin was explaining, apparently the way Austin was to be 4995 04:09:25.559 --> 04:09:29.559 eliminated from the Royal rumble was to significantly involve Sean Michaels. 4996 04:09:29.719 --> 04:09:32.440 I gotta think Kama was the guy that was left 4997 04:09:32.479 --> 04:09:34.159 in the final four and shouldn't have been because he's 4998 04:09:34.200 --> 04:09:37.280 way he They had no designs on pushing him after this. 4999 04:09:37.440 --> 04:09:40.079 He was gone shortly after this. The gimmick was an 5000 04:09:40.079 --> 04:09:44.479 abject failure. He'd already done the Undertaker program. He seems 5001 04:09:44.479 --> 04:09:46.319 to be the most out of place for a final four. 5002 04:09:47.079 --> 04:09:47.280 Yeah. 5003 04:09:47.440 --> 04:09:51.239 Sure, it's probably Austin spot. Yeah, and that's it's wild 5004 04:09:51.280 --> 04:09:53.200 to think, you know, because we know what that means 5005 04:09:53.239 --> 04:09:55.639 when they put a guy that you don't really think 5006 04:09:55.680 --> 04:09:56.920 is heralded in that position. 5007 04:09:57.920 --> 04:10:01.399 Huge, it would thank yep, yep. 5008 04:10:01.600 --> 04:10:03.040 But it is a month later that he shaves his 5009 04:10:03.120 --> 04:10:04.879 head and does the Stunner and we go off to 5010 04:10:04.920 --> 04:10:05.360 the races. 5011 04:10:05.399 --> 04:10:07.520 From there, it's already it's only a no. He does 5012 04:10:07.559 --> 04:10:09.319 the Sunner later in that, doesn't he? I think February 5013 04:10:09.399 --> 04:10:12.120 ninety six, he where is it out? Yep? 5014 04:10:12.520 --> 04:10:15.719 I remember we autopsied that for something. There was something 5015 04:10:15.760 --> 04:10:18.079 where we were like, we're not going to rest King 5016 04:10:18.120 --> 04:10:19.799 of the Ring ninety six and probably that's it. 5017 04:10:19.879 --> 04:10:20.280 You nailed it. 5018 04:10:20.680 --> 04:10:22.879 We're not going to rest until we identify exactly when 5019 04:10:22.920 --> 04:10:26.040 he went bald and everything, and uh when he started 5020 04:10:26.120 --> 04:10:28.959 using the stunner against Savia Vega when he was feuding 5021 04:10:29.000 --> 04:10:33.159 with him heading in a wrestling May twelve. But uh, yeah, 5022 04:10:33.280 --> 04:10:35.600 what could have been He told that story just like 5023 04:10:35.680 --> 04:10:37.639 three or four years ago in his podcast. It hasn't 5024 04:10:37.639 --> 04:10:40.040 It's not like it's been known since it happened. I 5025 04:10:40.040 --> 04:10:42.159 don't think anybody knew the story honestly until he until 5026 04:10:42.200 --> 04:10:42.799 he brought it up. 5027 04:10:44.360 --> 04:10:46.520 That's so wild. Yeah, yeah, I mean, because it's like, 5028 04:10:46.639 --> 04:10:51.440 you know, I gain you know, I guess it's really 5029 04:10:51.719 --> 04:10:57.559 amazing that it hasn't happened more than that really is, 5030 04:10:58.319 --> 04:11:00.719 because you know, or at least it's not mentioned more 5031 04:11:00.799 --> 04:11:03.639 because you know, you think about how easy it is. 5032 04:11:03.879 --> 04:11:06.719 You know, you see these guys getting tossed over the 5033 04:11:06.879 --> 04:11:08.680 top rope and they're hanging there, and it's like, how 5034 04:11:09.760 --> 04:11:13.239 easy it must be to just slip your you know, 5035 04:11:13.479 --> 04:11:16.399 just your hands drops and or your hands slips and 5036 04:11:16.399 --> 04:11:16.760 you're done. 5037 04:11:16.879 --> 04:11:18.959 Especially in a case like this where the eventual winner 5038 04:11:19.440 --> 04:11:21.200 is one of the best athletes in the match, so 5039 04:11:21.239 --> 04:11:24.000 he's going to do the most near teases. It's not 5040 04:11:24.159 --> 04:11:26.000 like a guy you can afford to have that accident. 5041 04:11:26.040 --> 04:11:27.520 I mean, if Sean slips out of the ring, it's 5042 04:11:27.559 --> 04:11:30.360 a fucking disaster. Yeah, and that's one thing we haven't 5043 04:11:30.360 --> 04:11:32.319 happened had happened yet. You know, we haven't had a 5044 04:11:33.120 --> 04:11:36.319 you can say Batista John Cena in that both hit 5045 04:11:36.360 --> 04:11:38.399 the floor. Batista was supposed to win, but we haven't 5046 04:11:38.440 --> 04:11:42.559 had the royal Rumble winner fall out way before the 5047 04:11:42.680 --> 04:11:44.920 end of the match like that. Yeah, right, they were 5048 04:11:45.000 --> 04:11:46.520 damn lucky it actually happened the way it did with 5049 04:11:46.600 --> 04:11:48.879 scene in Batista because they could restart it and they 5050 04:11:48.920 --> 04:11:50.719 were the last two in there. It wasn't like, right, 5051 04:11:51.000 --> 04:11:52.319 there were ten guys in the ring and the guy's 5052 04:11:52.319 --> 04:11:55.159 supposed to win gets eliminated by mistake, right exactly. 5053 04:11:55.360 --> 04:11:57.760 Like, I mean, that's the fact that there hasn't been 5054 04:11:57.760 --> 04:11:59.559 a winning and you got guys who are who are 5055 04:11:59.639 --> 04:12:02.920 so who are so goofy, you know, with that way 5056 04:12:03.000 --> 04:12:05.879 that they're like kind of hanging, they're kind of hanging 5057 04:12:06.239 --> 04:12:08.120 the way they hang out the ropes and stuff like that, 5058 04:12:08.239 --> 04:12:10.280 they kind of you know, where they get tossed over 5059 04:12:10.840 --> 04:12:13.120 and then go back in like you know, Sean Michaels 5060 04:12:13.200 --> 04:12:15.319 is one of those guys Ray Mysterio's one of those guys, 5061 04:12:15.799 --> 04:12:19.840 fucking Kofi Kingston, for God's sake, you know, you know, 5062 04:12:19.920 --> 04:12:21.680 if one of those guys were scheduled to win and 5063 04:12:21.760 --> 04:12:23.399 then they just fucked it up in there. 5064 04:12:23.920 --> 04:12:27.200 But they did want to range on great examples because 5065 04:12:27.200 --> 04:12:28.520 they went on to win, and they did tease a 5066 04:12:28.559 --> 04:12:29.680 lot of near eliminations to. 5067 04:12:29.680 --> 04:12:32.319 My memory, no, and like but again not even near eliminations, 5068 04:12:32.360 --> 04:12:36.600 but like crazy ones where if they just slipped for 5069 04:12:36.680 --> 04:12:39.680 a second, they could ruin the whole fucking match and 5070 04:12:39.840 --> 04:12:42.159 the potentially the future of the company. 5071 04:12:42.239 --> 04:12:43.559 I do kind of wonder, and I'll be watching now 5072 04:12:43.600 --> 04:12:45.079 that we have this discussion, I'll be watching for this 5073 04:12:45.159 --> 04:12:48.000 this year in the Rumble. Well, it's going to be 5074 04:12:48.040 --> 04:12:49.600 hard to watch for this if you don't know who wins. 5075 04:12:49.639 --> 04:12:52.159 But maybe going back and watching it again, I wonder 5076 04:12:52.159 --> 04:12:54.159 if they tell the guy who's eventually going to win 5077 04:12:54.239 --> 04:12:56.879 to be extra careful, you know, And I wonder if 5078 04:12:57.120 --> 04:12:59.360 you'd actually detect that more often than not, the guy 5079 04:12:59.399 --> 04:13:00.920 who goes on to in the Rumble doesn't do a 5080 04:13:00.959 --> 04:13:04.559 hell of a lot of risky near elimination teases, and 5081 04:13:04.639 --> 04:13:07.360 that that mostly falls to the So why would why 5082 04:13:07.399 --> 04:13:08.280 would you know. 5083 04:13:09.280 --> 04:13:12.840 Really, the question is why would Fat two yeah go 5084 04:13:13.040 --> 04:13:19.000 for such a powerful clothesline on Austin super Kick I 5085 04:13:19.040 --> 04:13:21.879 don't remember. It's a close it's a close line, and 5086 04:13:21.959 --> 04:13:25.520 it's like he rushes towards the ring. I mean, he 5087 04:13:25.639 --> 04:13:28.319 rushes towards Austin and like like he's going to eliminate him. 5088 04:13:29.120 --> 04:13:31.559 That's the thing, Like he's it looks like it would 5089 04:13:31.600 --> 04:13:33.040 be a legitimate elimination. 5090 04:13:33.120 --> 04:13:34.760 That's what I'm saying. It's like when you watch it back, 5091 04:13:34.840 --> 04:13:38.000 it doesn't look like anything's amiss. It's weird that the 5092 04:13:38.040 --> 04:13:41.239 commentators like all of a sudden notice he's gone. 5093 04:13:41.520 --> 04:13:43.200 Right, And it's weird that the camera doesn't get it, 5094 04:13:43.319 --> 04:13:45.319 like because it is in the background. It's like, you know, 5095 04:13:45.920 --> 04:13:46.879 it's it's actually right. 5096 04:13:47.000 --> 04:13:49.159 You would think that was elimination. They would have lined 5097 04:13:49.239 --> 04:13:49.520 up the show. 5098 04:13:49.559 --> 04:13:51.760 The shot is very well composed, Honestly, it's a very 5099 04:13:51.799 --> 04:13:53.680 well composed shot where you get, like you said, you 5100 04:13:53.719 --> 04:13:56.440 get Sean Michaels in the bottom right of the frame, 5101 04:13:56.559 --> 04:13:59.959 and on the upper left is Austin very clearly getting 5102 04:14:00.360 --> 04:14:04.120 tossed out. But it's just weird, Like I I mean, 5103 04:14:04.239 --> 04:14:06.520 is anyone to ask for Kishi, like. 5104 04:14:06.959 --> 04:14:07.840 No, not that I know of. 5105 04:14:07.879 --> 04:14:10.559 I don't think anybody's asked him because no one even 5106 04:14:10.600 --> 04:14:13.120 knew this story until recently. And I'm not sure there's 5107 04:14:13.120 --> 04:14:15.319 been a ton of Q and a's or shoots to 5108 04:14:15.319 --> 04:14:18.079 the Lukishi since then. But it'd be worth asking him, 5109 04:14:18.239 --> 04:14:20.920 you know, because I don't think Sean's even answered the 5110 04:14:20.959 --> 04:14:22.639 question of how he adjusted. You know, there must have 5111 04:14:22.719 --> 04:14:25.440 been something that had to happen now that Steve was gone. 5112 04:14:26.479 --> 04:14:29.079 Maybe it's just as simple as comma. You you pretend 5113 04:14:29.120 --> 04:14:32.000 to be Steve now, and you know, we know that 5114 04:14:32.239 --> 04:14:34.879 wrestler acts is supposed to I think it's Diesel tosses 5115 04:14:34.920 --> 04:14:36.479 him and this is one of those rumbles that ends 5116 04:14:36.520 --> 04:14:37.680 in a flash at the end. 5117 04:14:38.399 --> 04:14:40.479 I know, I really hate that. I'm not a fan 5118 04:14:40.520 --> 04:14:41.440 of that kind of a run at all. 5119 04:14:41.440 --> 04:14:43.600 I don't like that either, but it seems to me, 5120 04:14:43.760 --> 04:14:44.079 I like a. 5121 04:14:44.120 --> 04:14:46.959 Good two to three minutes at least, let alone fucking 5122 04:14:46.959 --> 04:14:49.600 Sean Michael's undertaker in two and seven, right, And. 5123 04:14:49.600 --> 04:14:52.440 I think they know that, But what might you know? 5124 04:14:52.559 --> 04:14:55.200 I might consider the possibility that because Austin isn't in 5125 04:14:55.280 --> 04:14:57.440 there anymore, maybe a lot of shit they would have 5126 04:14:57.520 --> 04:14:59.600 done to elongate. The final four is out the window 5127 04:15:00.200 --> 04:15:02.479 because the guy that's replacing him doesn't know any doesn't 5128 04:15:02.520 --> 04:15:04.040 know the score at all as to what was supposed 5129 04:15:04.040 --> 04:15:06.920 to happen. Yeah, it's like, fuck this, we just need 5130 04:15:07.000 --> 04:15:10.200 to accelerate to the point that Shawn dumps Diesel because 5131 04:15:10.920 --> 04:15:13.120 the two we have besides that don't really know what 5132 04:15:13.200 --> 04:15:14.760 the plan would have been, but. 5133 04:15:14.879 --> 04:15:17.200 You think wouldn't wouldn't have Sean and Diesel would have 5134 04:15:17.239 --> 04:15:19.760 had when they had a few I mean, unless it 5135 04:15:19.799 --> 04:15:22.520 was supposed to be like an accidental thing like they 5136 04:15:22.559 --> 04:15:24.920 were gonna like maybe triple team. 5137 04:15:25.040 --> 04:15:27.479 Now because I think the Yeah, I don't think they 5138 04:15:27.600 --> 04:15:31.959 wanted to. I don't think they wanted a Sean and Michael, 5139 04:15:32.479 --> 04:15:34.879 a Shawn and Diesel epic back and forth for the 5140 04:15:34.959 --> 04:15:37.280 last two because I think the whole idea was Sean 5141 04:15:37.520 --> 04:15:39.719 kind of fucked Diesel a little bit by sneaking up 5142 04:15:39.760 --> 04:15:41.920 on him. Yeah, I think that's the psychology they were 5143 04:15:41.920 --> 04:15:45.360 looking for there, But I think it's more the three 5144 04:15:45.399 --> 04:15:47.600 eliminations that come before that's just boom boom, boom boom, 5145 04:15:47.600 --> 04:15:49.399 and then suddenly Sean's kicking Diesel out of the ring. 5146 04:15:49.920 --> 04:15:52.959 Whereas I feel like perhaps those prior eliminations to Diesel 5147 04:15:53.079 --> 04:15:55.079 making that last one might not have come as fast 5148 04:15:55.120 --> 04:15:57.159 if things hadn't gone off the rails. 5149 04:15:57.159 --> 04:15:57.479 I don't know. 5150 04:15:58.200 --> 04:16:00.639 The ring just clears, there's like five people in the ring, 5151 04:16:00.680 --> 04:16:02.799 and then like two minutes later, Sean's kicking Diesel in 5152 04:16:02.840 --> 04:16:06.840 the head. But fascinating to think about. And I don't 5153 04:16:06.840 --> 04:16:08.360 know if there are really any repercussions for Steve, at 5154 04:16:08.479 --> 04:16:11.200 least not ones that he could see, but he definitely 5155 04:16:11.479 --> 04:16:14.319 wonders if if it stalled a more serious push he 5156 04:16:14.360 --> 04:16:16.920 could have gotten And he remembers looking to Sean and 5157 04:16:16.959 --> 04:16:20.559 thinking to himself, quote, you must do something and overcome 5158 04:16:20.639 --> 04:16:24.159 this tragedy. I just gave him the visual cue like, dude, 5159 04:16:24.159 --> 04:16:26.159 I'm out. I screwed up. I don't know how Sean 5160 04:16:26.200 --> 04:16:28.479 fixed that, But sometimes things happen that you can't control, 5161 04:16:28.719 --> 04:16:30.040 and the rest of the guys just got to go 5162 04:16:30.120 --> 04:16:32.120 on the fly. And that's when one guy will step 5163 04:16:32.239 --> 04:16:34.319 up and he'll be that ring general and come up 5164 04:16:34.360 --> 04:16:36.760 with the general plan. That's copasetic. That's something else that 5165 04:16:36.799 --> 04:16:39.600 Steve Austin said about the situation that somebody kind of 5166 04:16:39.639 --> 04:16:41.239 steps up and says, all right, here's how we're gonna 5167 04:16:41.399 --> 04:16:43.440 do the match now. I'm sure that was to some 5168 04:16:43.559 --> 04:16:47.399 degree Shawn Michaels. So we talk about that til towards 5169 04:16:47.520 --> 04:16:50.280 towards attitude and this before Steve Austin is ready to 5170 04:16:50.360 --> 04:16:54.120 exploit that to its max. Definitely something to that, And 5171 04:16:54.239 --> 04:16:57.200 the question is, you know how much more might they 5172 04:16:57.239 --> 04:16:59.120 have leaned into it if they didn't get the word 5173 04:16:59.479 --> 04:17:03.360 so early late January that Kevin Ash and Scott Hall 5174 04:17:03.479 --> 04:17:05.479 might be leaving, because they would be two key architects 5175 04:17:05.520 --> 04:17:08.120 in this new direction. Sure, there's Bruce Pritchard on his 5176 04:17:08.200 --> 04:17:11.079 podcast about this show ninety six Rumble, talking about the 5177 04:17:11.559 --> 04:17:14.719 Kevin Nash middle finger and what it portended and who 5178 04:17:14.799 --> 04:17:15.600 knew what at the time. 5179 04:17:17.079 --> 04:17:18.959 I think a lot of it was trying to get 5180 04:17:19.000 --> 04:17:23.399 to the point of being more real and having a 5181 04:17:23.479 --> 04:17:28.000 little bit more of an edge, getting Kevin Nash out 5182 04:17:28.159 --> 04:17:33.000 of giving a little more Kevin Nash attitude out of Diesel. 5183 04:17:34.360 --> 04:17:37.200 So it was Vince was Arghanici just turn around and 5184 04:17:37.239 --> 04:17:41.760 fucking flipping the finger. So obviously a lot of people 5185 04:17:41.840 --> 04:17:45.959 are looking to that questioning it based on just our 5186 04:17:46.079 --> 04:17:47.040 history and trying. 5187 04:17:46.840 --> 04:17:47.719 Not to go that far. 5188 04:17:48.520 --> 04:17:51.559 But there was really no written rule and or unwritten 5189 04:17:51.680 --> 04:17:54.440 rule that we couldn't do that, and thought, what the hell, man, 5190 04:17:54.760 --> 04:17:56.879 let's let's get a little edgy and be a little different. 5191 04:17:58.120 --> 04:18:01.559 So let's talk about Diesel for moment here at this point, 5192 04:18:02.559 --> 04:18:04.520 did you know he was leaving or did you still 5193 04:18:04.559 --> 04:18:07.159 think he was sticking around here in January ninety. 5194 04:18:07.000 --> 04:18:21.239 Six, I had a pretty good idea that he was leaving. 5195 04:18:21.280 --> 04:18:23.440 Of course you did. Of course you did, your fucking idiot. 5196 04:18:23.520 --> 04:18:25.200 I don't think that Vince wanted to believe that. 5197 04:18:25.319 --> 04:18:28.760 Yet, because Diesel was still saying I'm staying right. Yes, 5198 04:18:30.239 --> 04:18:32.479 but you did know that Razor was leaving, or at 5199 04:18:32.559 --> 04:18:34.200 least talking to wcw Right. 5200 04:18:34.440 --> 04:18:34.840 Correct. 5201 04:18:35.000 --> 04:18:39.680 Yes, Vince didn't know, but I knew, or Vince was, 5202 04:18:39.719 --> 04:18:41.280 according to an admitted to himself. 5203 04:18:41.360 --> 04:18:44.600 Yeah, that's always a fucking listen, Pritchard knew before everything. 5204 04:18:44.799 --> 04:18:47.000 For what it's worth, Kevin Nash says that he made 5205 04:18:47.000 --> 04:18:49.600 the decision, as we mentioned, and then back and forth 5206 04:18:49.639 --> 04:18:52.239 over the February and your house finish and all that 5207 04:18:52.280 --> 04:18:54.920 shit about bud Oar taking the jackknife. It fuck this, 5208 04:18:55.280 --> 04:18:56.719 but you know how that is on you. Once you 5209 04:18:56.799 --> 04:19:00.200 want to leave, you just wait for a thing to 5210 04:19:00.360 --> 04:19:04.799 pipe two as the last straw, you know, oh, of course, yeah, 5211 04:19:05.079 --> 04:19:07.200 but uh, it was known that Scott had got a 5212 04:19:07.239 --> 04:19:11.799 good offer, and uh and I think I think the 5213 04:19:11.840 --> 04:19:13.920 way Kevin Nash has told the story historically is they 5214 04:19:13.959 --> 04:19:16.559 reached out to him first, that he he was the 5215 04:19:16.600 --> 04:19:19.600 first person to get interest from WCW, and it kind 5216 04:19:19.639 --> 04:19:22.799 of kind of blew him off. And Scott heard about 5217 04:19:22.879 --> 04:19:24.799 the interest, said, hey, what you know, I haven't call 5218 04:19:24.879 --> 04:19:26.239 him in like I hones to see what they're offering, 5219 04:19:26.360 --> 04:19:29.000 Like that's crazy. And then what Scott came back with 5220 04:19:29.120 --> 04:19:31.719 as far as what he was able to secure told 5221 04:19:31.799 --> 04:19:33.520 Kevin like, oh my god, I got I got to 5222 04:19:33.520 --> 04:19:35.159 explored this more than that. I didn't know they were 5223 04:19:35.159 --> 04:19:37.200 talking that kind of schedule and that kind of money. 5224 04:19:38.840 --> 04:19:41.959 And then and then Nash follows on and it was Nash. 5225 04:19:42.000 --> 04:19:42.120 You know. 5226 04:19:42.200 --> 04:19:44.959 Maybe that's what Richard saying. It's like people probably knew 5227 04:19:44.959 --> 04:19:47.280 in the company that WCW reached out to Nash first, 5228 04:19:47.319 --> 04:19:50.319 and when they hear the hall's going and they already 5229 04:19:50.360 --> 04:19:52.479 know that Nash has got inquiries and they must have 5230 04:19:52.520 --> 04:19:54.479 been so fucking terrified that Sean was going to go, 5231 04:19:54.639 --> 04:19:57.040 Oh my god. I wonder if that played some role 5232 04:19:57.120 --> 04:20:01.040 in putting him over like this. Oh maybe it's like, man, 5233 04:20:01.159 --> 04:20:03.399 if we don't do this now, like he's gonna go 5234 04:20:03.479 --> 04:20:06.239 with them, because, as Brett described in his book, Shawn's 5235 04:20:06.239 --> 04:20:09.399 already really anxious about not having them around. And that 5236 04:20:09.479 --> 04:20:14.239 would really, you know, that would characterize Sean Hunter and 5237 04:20:14.680 --> 04:20:17.799 later Sean Waltman when he came back their whole WWF presentation, 5238 04:20:17.920 --> 04:20:20.840 those guys being gone. Let's not forget the Triple H 5239 04:20:20.920 --> 04:20:23.639 promo the night after Wrestlmingia fourteen, or the Sewn Waltman 5240 04:20:23.680 --> 04:20:26.360 promo when he comes back the night after wrestling NA fourteen. 5241 04:20:26.399 --> 04:20:28.479 If you know, Kevin National, Scott Hall would be here 5242 04:20:28.600 --> 04:20:30.840 with us if they weren't being held hostage by WCW. 5243 04:20:31.520 --> 04:20:33.760 Oh my god, yep, I'm talking about. 5244 04:20:33.559 --> 04:20:34.280 That fucking promo. 5245 04:20:34.399 --> 04:20:34.559 Man. 5246 04:20:34.680 --> 04:20:37.559 That that that so good, That made me so excited, 5247 04:20:38.639 --> 04:20:41.680 That gave me so much excitement. I thought for sure 5248 04:20:41.840 --> 04:20:44.120 that I was waiting for Hollanas to show up any 5249 04:20:44.159 --> 04:20:44.680 fucking day. 5250 04:20:44.879 --> 04:20:47.479 God, you had to bring their name up like that, 5251 04:20:47.719 --> 04:20:49.399 You know, you're within your right and. 5252 04:20:50.040 --> 04:20:52.440 Say that they wanted to be there. Oh, you know, 5253 04:20:52.559 --> 04:20:54.319 it's one thing just to mention them, but to say 5254 04:20:54.360 --> 04:20:55.760 they wanted to be there, and that they would be 5255 04:20:55.840 --> 04:20:58.760 there if they weren't fucking being held hostage. 5256 04:20:58.879 --> 04:21:02.799 Like holy shit, man, that was that was Wwfett. It's 5257 04:21:02.840 --> 04:21:05.600 mojo back right there. Oh yeah, there was no turning back. 5258 04:21:06.120 --> 04:21:08.920 So gold Dust Huge Night for gold Dust wins. His 5259 04:21:09.000 --> 04:21:12.760 first title goes over Razor Clean. They lean heavily into 5260 04:21:12.879 --> 04:21:16.200 the gamesmanship and that borders on homer eroticism. He gets 5261 04:21:16.280 --> 04:21:19.920 the Razor Ramone chest tattoo he has as he does 5262 04:21:20.000 --> 04:21:22.520 the form of a heart on his tit his shaved chest. 5263 04:21:24.000 --> 04:21:27.319 And here's his book, dustin Rhadess Crossroads, talking about how 5264 04:21:27.360 --> 04:21:28.159 this all came together. 5265 04:21:28.959 --> 04:21:31.280 Wait, his book is called Crossroads. Yes it is, if 5266 04:21:31.319 --> 04:21:34.000 you can believe it. I think that's not that's not appropriate. 5267 04:21:34.239 --> 04:21:36.000 In the beginning, Vincent, does Cody know this? 5268 04:21:36.479 --> 04:21:39.000 I think this is before Cody called his finish the Crossroads, 5269 04:21:39.000 --> 04:21:41.280 But I could be wrong about that. I'm sure he 5270 04:21:41.360 --> 04:21:44.079 knows about it. In the beginning, Vince put me with 5271 04:21:44.159 --> 04:21:46.200 Scott Hall, who's a Razor Ramone Terry was it? 5272 04:21:46.280 --> 04:21:47.799 What if he didn't know about it and we just 5273 04:21:47.879 --> 04:21:51.040 told him? What if he didn't know that his brother's 5274 04:21:51.079 --> 04:21:53.639 book was called Crossroads until we fucking missed well. 5275 04:21:53.600 --> 04:21:55.600 That at least was confirmed to me that nobody read 5276 04:21:55.639 --> 04:21:57.760 this book, because I remember I remember hearing a thing 5277 04:21:57.799 --> 04:22:02.159 about it, not a thing about it. In the beginning, 5278 04:22:02.280 --> 04:22:04.799 Vince put me with Scott Hall, who was Razor Ramone. Terry, 5279 04:22:04.920 --> 04:22:06.959 his wife was at WW with me at this point, 5280 04:22:07.000 --> 04:22:09.440 and although things weren't great between us, life was moving on. 5281 04:22:09.639 --> 04:22:11.760 But Razor and I didn't click. He didn't like all 5282 04:22:11.799 --> 04:22:14.360 this suggestive stuff I was doing in the ring. Marlena, 5283 04:22:14.440 --> 04:22:17.040 which is Terry's character, was like my director. We had 5284 04:22:17.040 --> 04:22:19.959 an usher boy, Ritchie, and we'd all sit in director 5285 04:22:20.040 --> 04:22:20.719 chairs near the ring. 5286 04:22:20.799 --> 04:22:22.760 I'd be one, who the fuck was Richie? Who was 5287 04:22:22.799 --> 04:22:23.239 this class? 5288 04:22:23.319 --> 04:22:25.440 I think he was special effects man Richie Posner that 5289 04:22:25.639 --> 04:22:28.319 Bruce always talks about that they have at the company 5290 04:22:28.360 --> 04:22:29.719 to do like props and stuff. 5291 04:22:30.200 --> 04:22:30.799 I could be wrong. 5292 04:22:30.840 --> 04:22:34.079 I did a little bit of looking. I think there's 5293 04:22:34.079 --> 04:22:36.120 probably another pay per view where it's worth really like 5294 04:22:36.239 --> 04:22:38.000 going to the mat and figuring it out, because this 5295 04:22:38.120 --> 04:22:42.040 is his last night in the company, essentially as the 5296 04:22:42.120 --> 04:22:44.680 usher character. They kind of drop it when Marlena come 5297 04:22:44.760 --> 04:22:48.799 steps into the picture, but yeah, someone must know. I'm 5298 04:22:48.799 --> 04:22:51.280 sure it's come up on Pritchard's podcast before because they've 5299 04:22:51.319 --> 04:22:54.159 done like entire episodes and just the gold Dust character. 5300 04:22:55.120 --> 04:22:57.600 So if you know, let us know. But that one 5301 04:22:57.680 --> 04:22:59.319 didn't strike me as one to run all the way 5302 04:22:59.360 --> 04:23:00.840 down to the bottom the earth on this one. 5303 04:23:00.920 --> 04:23:02.000 But oh, I was curious. 5304 04:23:03.120 --> 04:23:05.760 That's why I assumed it is Marlena, which is Terry's character. 5305 04:23:05.879 --> 04:23:07.639 Was like my director. We had Nusher boy Richie. We'd 5306 04:23:07.680 --> 04:23:09.440 all sit in the director's chairs near the ring. I'd 5307 04:23:09.520 --> 04:23:11.639 be watching Razor wrestling and start rubbing on myself. 5308 04:23:12.479 --> 04:23:15.559 Tremendous, That's that's fucking wild. 5309 04:23:15.760 --> 04:23:17.840 I sent roses to the ring from gold Dust. At 5310 04:23:17.840 --> 04:23:19.360 one point, I walked up to the ring and unzipped 5311 04:23:19.360 --> 04:23:21.000 my suit while he was beating up his opponent. I 5312 04:23:21.040 --> 04:23:23.360 stood there licking my lips, then pulled open my suit. 5313 04:23:23.559 --> 04:23:25.239 I had a big heart painted onto my chest with 5314 04:23:25.399 --> 04:23:27.559 Razor's names in the middle of it. Razor charged out 5315 04:23:27.559 --> 04:23:28.959 of the ring after me. When it came time for 5316 04:23:29.040 --> 04:23:31.479 us to meet for the Intercontinental Championship on pay per view, 5317 04:23:31.559 --> 04:23:34.239 Razor didn't want anything to do with gold Dust. Scott 5318 04:23:34.319 --> 04:23:40.000 and I were on good terms. But hey, no, hey, no, 5319 04:23:40.239 --> 04:23:43.719 the Razor Goldust fore you. Scott and I were on 5320 04:23:43.760 --> 04:23:45.719 good terms, but he wasn't comfortable with gold dust. He 5321 04:23:45.760 --> 04:23:47.959 said it was because his kids were at home watching 5322 04:23:48.200 --> 04:23:50.520 their father on television. He didn't want them seeing another 5323 04:23:50.559 --> 04:23:52.799 man coming on to their dad that way. Granted it 5324 04:23:53.040 --> 04:23:55.319 was a bit much. I didn't really understand or appreciate 5325 04:23:55.360 --> 04:23:57.079 his perspective at the time because I was just playing 5326 04:23:57.079 --> 04:23:59.200 a character and doing what I was told. That's when 5327 04:23:59.200 --> 04:24:01.200 I called Vince until him I was having issues with Scott. 5328 04:24:01.479 --> 04:24:03.440 He told me to call if I had any problems Vince. 5329 04:24:03.440 --> 04:24:05.120 I'm just trying to do the character and he's making 5330 04:24:05.159 --> 04:24:07.559 it difficult. What should I do? Vince told me not 5331 04:24:07.639 --> 04:24:08.680 to keep touching him. 5332 04:24:08.920 --> 04:24:13.360 Just keep touching him next time. Tell you what when 5333 04:24:13.399 --> 04:24:15.520 you do it? Reach around, reach around, put your hand 5334 04:24:15.559 --> 04:24:17.440 down his drunks and grab his cough. What do you 5335 04:24:17.479 --> 04:24:19.600 think I want you to do? Pal? I want you 5336 04:24:19.639 --> 04:24:22.840 to fuck him on camera? Wow? I want you to 5337 04:24:22.959 --> 04:24:26.840 go all the way. I want to see gold dust 5338 04:24:27.000 --> 04:24:32.520 penetration of Scott all wow. Well, he regrets calling. That's 5339 04:24:32.559 --> 04:24:36.280 for sure, that's what the fans want. Therefore, that's what 5340 04:24:36.440 --> 04:24:41.399 you want. That's what you want, he says to him. 5341 04:24:42.079 --> 04:24:44.200 Just don't know it yet. Vince told me not to 5342 04:24:44.239 --> 04:24:46.360 worry about anything. We're going with you, Dustin, just keep 5343 04:24:46.440 --> 04:24:48.760 doing what you're doing. Once in a while, Razor would 5344 04:24:48.760 --> 04:24:50.159 go and talk to Vince, but he'd come out all 5345 04:24:50.239 --> 04:24:52.600 droopy faced. Vince made it clear he was going with me, 5346 04:24:52.719 --> 04:24:53.639 and that's all there was to it. 5347 04:24:53.920 --> 04:24:54.159 For me. 5348 04:24:54.280 --> 04:24:59.280 That was awesome, going like world champion, like all the way. 5349 04:24:59.559 --> 04:25:03.639 I think he means gold Dust's character is more important 5350 04:25:03.840 --> 04:25:05.120 than Scott Hall's complaints. 5351 04:25:05.479 --> 04:25:06.120 I see him. 5352 04:25:06.319 --> 04:25:08.680 So what we want gold Dust to achieve is more 5353 04:25:08.719 --> 04:25:11.799 important than you know. We're not gonna let Scott Hall 5354 04:25:11.840 --> 04:25:13.680 talk us out of doing what we want with the character. 5355 04:25:14.000 --> 04:25:16.000 And I'm sure they knew he was gone anyway, so 5356 04:25:16.120 --> 04:25:18.600 fuck him. Scott had a hard time with it, no question, 5357 04:25:18.719 --> 04:25:20.959 Golddust Rites. It all came to a head over in Europe. 5358 04:25:21.239 --> 04:25:23.000 We were doing our run over there when I hurt 5359 04:25:23.000 --> 04:25:24.280 my knee in the first minute of one of the 5360 04:25:24.319 --> 04:25:26.440 first matches. We had to end that match fast because 5361 04:25:26.440 --> 04:25:28.000 I needed to get to the hospital. We went a 5362 04:25:28.040 --> 04:25:29.600 couple more days on the tour, but I couldn't work 5363 04:25:29.600 --> 04:25:32.120 and eventually had to return home. One night, we were 5364 04:25:32.200 --> 04:25:34.040 on a bus heading back to the hotel from one 5365 04:25:34.079 --> 04:25:35.879 of the shows and I was drinking a couple of beers. 5366 04:25:36.040 --> 04:25:38.719 Everyone knew Scott's issues. He started getting a little lippy 5367 04:25:38.799 --> 04:25:41.000 with me. All those guys on the bus were friends, Kevin, 5368 04:25:41.040 --> 04:25:43.639 ash On, Michaels, and Scott. He just kept running his mouth. 5369 04:25:43.879 --> 04:25:45.680 I gave it right back at him. As we pulled 5370 04:25:45.760 --> 04:25:47.600 up to the hotel, we were raising our voices. The 5371 04:25:47.680 --> 04:25:49.959 bus was unloading, but Sean stayed back as kind of 5372 04:25:50.000 --> 04:25:52.159 a mediator. Being Scott and me, we weren't quite to 5373 04:25:52.239 --> 04:25:53.920 the point where we were going to throw down, but 5374 04:25:53.959 --> 04:25:56.000 it was pretty intense verbally. We both got to the 5375 04:25:56.040 --> 04:26:01.120 point where we started crying. Well, that's not what I expected. 5376 04:26:01.360 --> 04:26:02.879 We left the bus and we were okay. But it 5377 04:26:02.959 --> 04:26:04.799 wasn't long after that night that Scott asked for his 5378 04:26:04.959 --> 04:26:07.799 release from w W. Razor wasn't a big gold Dust fan. 5379 04:26:07.920 --> 04:26:09.399 He was such a yeah. And the remember that there's 5380 04:26:09.440 --> 04:26:13.920 a there's a I think it's the the uh the 5381 04:26:14.040 --> 04:26:20.079 Cape Fear episode of The Simpsons where where there's a 5382 04:26:20.200 --> 04:26:23.840 guy who's like he's you know, he's supposed to be 5383 04:26:23.959 --> 04:26:27.639 the the Jodn Baker character in the movie, where he 5384 04:26:27.760 --> 04:26:31.120 like he's big, he's tough, he's like threatening. But in 5385 04:26:31.239 --> 04:26:33.319 the Simpsons. He's like, just turns into a commute. 5386 04:26:33.399 --> 04:26:37.440 Please for I'll be your friend, please just go away. 5387 04:26:37.559 --> 04:26:40.280 You know, it just does the opposite, and it's that's 5388 04:26:40.319 --> 04:26:43.239 what Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's what it is like. 5389 04:26:43.840 --> 04:26:51.079 Come on, man, oh my god, crying over the angle idiots. 5390 04:26:51.600 --> 04:26:53.600 Razor wasn't a big gold Dust fan. He was such 5391 04:26:53.600 --> 04:26:55.520 a huge star doing all these good things with Kevin, 5392 04:26:55.559 --> 04:26:57.440 Shawn and XPOC. They were like a band of brothers, 5393 04:26:57.559 --> 04:26:59.520 and here I came in as this outsider doing something 5394 04:26:59.559 --> 04:27:01.440 that was ahead of time, on the cutting edge and 5395 04:27:01.559 --> 04:27:04.200 working him. Whether his kids were watching or not was 5396 04:27:04.319 --> 04:27:06.319 relevant to me. If he didn't want them watching their 5397 04:27:06.360 --> 04:27:08.120 father on television, then he should have had the power 5398 04:27:08.239 --> 04:27:10.000 to make sure they didn't watch. I think it turned 5399 04:27:10.040 --> 04:27:11.280 out to be just too much for him. 5400 04:27:11.360 --> 04:27:11.680 I don't know. 5401 04:27:11.840 --> 04:27:13.639 Maybe he didn't feel he was getting what he expected 5402 04:27:13.680 --> 04:27:15.440 out of the deal. Everything was leading up to the 5403 04:27:15.520 --> 04:27:17.799 match in Miami, where Scott is from. That is some 5404 04:27:18.360 --> 04:27:23.000 to say, Miami. I don't know what he's talking about. 5405 04:27:23.040 --> 04:27:23.920 What show that would have been? 5406 04:27:24.159 --> 04:27:27.479 Yeah? What what's Miami? What an idiot? 5407 04:27:28.200 --> 04:27:30.799 He writes, we had come back from Europe and he 5408 04:27:30.920 --> 04:27:33.280 was chasing my Championship. We built up the angle over 5409 04:27:33.280 --> 04:27:33.840 a couple of months. 5410 04:27:34.079 --> 04:27:36.280 Oh my god, he doesn't know what he's talking about. 5411 04:27:36.280 --> 04:27:38.600 The culmination was supposed to be a Miami street fight 5412 04:27:38.719 --> 04:27:41.440 that would be shown via satellite at WrestleMania. Okay, so 5413 04:27:41.559 --> 04:27:44.159 the show wasn't going to be in Miami, but they 5414 04:27:44.200 --> 04:27:46.920 were going to call the match at between the two 5415 04:27:47.120 --> 04:27:50.520 in Anaheim a Miami street fight that would have been 5416 04:27:50.559 --> 04:27:53.479 shown via satellite at WRESTLEMINGI twelve of the Pond in Naheim, California. 5417 04:27:53.639 --> 04:27:56.000 And as we all know, that becomes the Hollywood Backlot Brawl. 5418 04:27:56.479 --> 04:27:58.479 And he gets out of that in his book where 5419 04:27:58.600 --> 04:27:59.959 you know, they call it late audible when they were 5420 04:28:00.200 --> 04:28:01.680 that Scott Hall is going to be suspended and leaving 5421 04:28:01.719 --> 04:28:03.879 the company and not able to do this match, and 5422 04:28:03.959 --> 04:28:06.040 they get Roddy Piper on the phone, who was kind 5423 04:28:06.079 --> 04:28:10.120 of involved in fact, when they first got word that 5424 04:28:10.239 --> 04:28:12.520 Hall was to be suspended for a marijuana test, Halls 5425 04:28:12.520 --> 04:28:14.200 were called in a shoot interview that he shows up 5426 04:28:14.200 --> 04:28:16.680 to an event in East Rutherford, New Jersey and gets 5427 04:28:16.719 --> 04:28:19.760 told about this. History of WWF ninety six indicates that 5428 04:28:19.799 --> 04:28:22.520 this show took place in February twenty fourth of nineteen 5429 04:28:22.760 --> 04:28:25.760 ninety six and on that show due to Razor Ramone 5430 04:28:25.799 --> 04:28:27.360 not being able to make it due to the suspension, 5431 04:28:27.600 --> 04:28:31.760 who substitutes against one two three kid Roddy Piper. Ah, 5432 04:28:31.879 --> 04:28:33.399 So they get Piper on the horn and back in 5433 04:28:33.440 --> 04:28:36.280 the fold a full month out from WrestleMania, and thus 5434 04:28:36.319 --> 04:28:38.719 the transition of the Goldiest feud to Piper is complete. 5435 04:28:39.200 --> 04:28:42.600 They pre taped the backlot brawl portions that happen in 5436 04:28:42.639 --> 04:28:45.520 the parking lot about a week out and it's a 5437 04:28:45.559 --> 04:28:48.120 wild story where Goldust really gets his bell rung. Remember 5438 04:28:48.159 --> 04:28:49.639 he was bleeding from the top of his head during 5439 04:28:49.680 --> 04:28:49.959 this year. 5440 04:28:50.079 --> 04:28:51.600 Yeah, yeah, it's wild. It has had on. 5441 04:28:51.680 --> 04:28:54.799 They were like apparently the scene where Goldust hits him, 5442 04:28:54.840 --> 04:28:57.159 hits Roddy Piper with the gold convertible was an audible 5443 04:28:57.159 --> 04:28:58.879 and there wasn't supposed to be a scene where Goldust 5444 04:28:58.920 --> 04:29:01.319 hits him with a car, but Piper kind of like 5445 04:29:01.440 --> 04:29:04.280 egged him on to do it, and they really laid 5446 04:29:04.319 --> 04:29:06.959 into each other with stiff shots and bats. And the 5447 04:29:07.879 --> 04:29:11.719 direction for the match, which Vince McMahon personally oversaw out 5448 04:29:11.760 --> 04:29:16.639 there in La was that, you know, Goldust was supposed 5449 04:29:16.639 --> 04:29:18.440 to get basically no offense. Besides a low blow, we 5450 04:29:18.600 --> 04:29:20.760 just get the absolute piss beat out of them, which 5451 04:29:20.799 --> 04:29:22.920 Piper was more than able to do. And then of 5452 04:29:23.000 --> 04:29:25.000 course they do the second half of the match out 5453 04:29:25.040 --> 04:29:28.200 in the arena after the tape had played for the 5454 04:29:28.520 --> 04:29:31.200 people in the building, and Scott Hall is essentially never 5455 04:29:31.280 --> 04:29:35.360 to be seen again, not never, but not in any 5456 04:29:35.440 --> 04:29:38.319 kind of a role where much is going to happen. 5457 04:29:38.360 --> 04:29:40.600 He of course makes that in May nineteen ninety six 5458 04:29:40.639 --> 04:29:47.520 appearance farewell at the Garden Brother So we're sorry about that. 5459 04:29:48.479 --> 04:29:51.319 So we heard about gold Dust's perception of how Scott 5460 04:29:51.440 --> 04:29:54.600 felt about this whole thing. Here's Scott on a shoot interview. 5461 04:29:54.719 --> 04:29:59.000 This is with Sean Oliver on the KFAP Commentary's segment 5462 04:29:59.239 --> 04:30:00.399 talking about the oldest of you. 5463 04:30:01.600 --> 04:30:04.120 I remember when Vince called me in. You gotta remember 5464 04:30:04.159 --> 04:30:06.799 this is a whole different era that we're not allowed 5465 04:30:06.840 --> 04:30:10.040 to fight on the floor. You don't hit guys with chairs, nothing, 5466 04:30:10.559 --> 04:30:13.479 it's all. And they're real big on family entertainment. And 5467 04:30:13.600 --> 04:30:15.680 so Vince calls me in and you know, they're doing 5468 04:30:15.719 --> 04:30:17.840 the Kolda single and he goes, we're gonna need this Golda. 5469 04:30:18.120 --> 04:30:19.399 You know we're gonna sing with you, and he goes, 5470 04:30:20.159 --> 04:30:23.120 you know he's gonna be you know, he's gonna be 5471 04:30:23.239 --> 04:30:26.920 in love with you. And I remember thinking, think like what, 5472 04:30:27.239 --> 04:30:29.680 like I just went through a long angle with Sean 5473 04:30:29.799 --> 04:30:31.840 and I worked with keV, who was like a big killer. 5474 04:30:31.959 --> 04:30:34.520 And then like I'm thinking, and he goes, let me 5475 04:30:34.559 --> 04:30:37.159 tell you about my first homosexual experience. And I remember 5476 04:30:37.239 --> 04:30:40.280 sitting me and Kevin was sitting in Vincent as a TV. 5477 04:30:40.719 --> 04:30:41.639 And I looked at keV. 5478 04:30:41.680 --> 04:30:43.840 My first thought was as opposed to your most recent 5479 04:30:44.760 --> 04:30:47.200 like you and Warrior on the bearskin rug but. 5480 04:30:49.120 --> 04:30:49.559 Exactly. 5481 04:30:49.760 --> 04:30:52.520 But I remember, you know, he was telling me about 5482 04:30:53.040 --> 04:30:54.639 what the hell did he tell you about? No, he 5483 04:30:54.879 --> 04:30:56.879 was told me about when he was living in North Carolina. 5484 04:30:56.879 --> 04:30:58.639 He said, I was hitchhike one time. But see, and 5485 04:30:58.680 --> 04:31:00.239 I don't know aly think about Vince's past, but I'm 5486 04:31:00.280 --> 04:31:02.840 thinking hitchecond from where the pool to the country club, 5487 04:31:03.440 --> 04:31:06.719 like what? And he said some guy picked him up 5488 04:31:06.760 --> 04:31:09.680 and was like remnisy. I was like, but I'm thinking, Okay, 5489 04:31:10.239 --> 04:31:12.840 now you're telling me what does this that do with wrestling? 5490 04:31:13.159 --> 04:31:15.479 But I remember being a little resistant to it because 5491 04:31:16.399 --> 04:31:19.120 I remember being really resistant to it because that wasn't 5492 04:31:19.120 --> 04:31:21.559 the way we're doing business. And now it was great 5493 04:31:21.559 --> 04:31:22.559 and I did a lot, you know, they put a 5494 04:31:22.600 --> 04:31:24.120 lot of time in it, you know, and everything, and 5495 04:31:25.520 --> 04:31:28.120 I just I don't know. It was if you look 5496 04:31:28.159 --> 04:31:31.479 at the early Goldens stuff, it was really coming across 5497 04:31:31.520 --> 04:31:34.840 homosexual vibes, you know, like later on as he got 5498 04:31:34.879 --> 04:31:37.079 really over and the attitude there, it wasn't that way 5499 04:31:37.120 --> 04:31:39.680 as much, but it was really strong then. And I 5500 04:31:40.120 --> 04:31:42.639 remember feeling a little bit weird about I didn't get it. 5501 04:31:42.760 --> 04:31:44.760 I didn't get why. I didn't get why he had 5502 04:31:44.799 --> 04:31:48.040 been in love with me because I remember thinking, well, 5503 04:31:48.079 --> 04:31:50.079 I'm not homophobic. Then she goes, you know, that'd be 5504 04:31:50.079 --> 04:31:52.159 perfect because you know, Razor would be really homophobic, and 5505 04:31:52.200 --> 04:31:54.520 I'm going, yeah, but I'm not. I'm not homophobic. I 5506 04:31:54.559 --> 04:31:56.280 don't just don't. I don't swing that way. I don't 5507 04:31:56.280 --> 04:32:00.159 have anything against it, but it's not my style. But 5508 04:32:00.520 --> 04:32:02.840 me and Dustin ended up having pretty good matches because 5509 04:32:02.840 --> 04:32:04.159 some of the stuff was my idea. I said, like 5510 04:32:04.280 --> 04:32:06.319 wastelocked me then like just throw you know, it was 5511 04:32:06.360 --> 04:32:09.120 like whoa. And then he had his then wife with 5512 04:32:09.239 --> 04:32:10.639 him at the time, which was really hot. 5513 04:32:10.799 --> 04:32:13.000 So I mean, we did okay, but I remember not. 5514 04:32:13.639 --> 04:32:15.760 I remember being a little resistant to the angle at 5515 04:32:15.799 --> 04:32:18.239 the beginning, and I think it got me in dusting 5516 04:32:18.319 --> 04:32:20.079 off on the wrong foot because he thought I didn't 5517 04:32:20.079 --> 04:32:20.280 want to. 5518 04:32:20.280 --> 04:32:22.280 Work with him, all right, And it was like, no, bro, 5519 04:32:22.360 --> 04:32:23.200 I got nothing against you. 5520 04:32:23.399 --> 04:32:26.399 Your father started me, but I didn't like the whole gimmick, 5521 04:32:26.440 --> 04:32:27.920 and I was just looking back, I was being a 5522 04:32:29.159 --> 04:32:31.600 you know, like a goof because it it could have 5523 04:32:31.639 --> 04:32:33.840 been huge, but it was a way different era that, right. 5524 04:32:35.959 --> 04:32:38.840 Yeah, you didn't want it was a goof. Yeah, you 5525 04:32:38.879 --> 04:32:41.559 didn't want to work with him? Yeah, right, If you 5526 04:32:41.559 --> 04:32:43.120 don't want to work with him because he's gold dust, 5527 04:32:43.200 --> 04:32:44.319 there's no difference. 5528 04:32:44.680 --> 04:32:49.200 Right, exactly. Also, you're not Razor Ramone, so Rasor Ramone 5529 04:32:49.319 --> 04:32:52.959 can be homophobic and Scott Hall not before it's true too, right, 5530 04:32:53.079 --> 04:32:55.719 that's kind of the idea, like you're not Raisor Ramone. 5531 04:32:55.600 --> 04:32:58.799 Right, and you're not saying Dustin Rhodes's gold dust, right, right. 5532 04:32:59.600 --> 04:33:01.719 He just to keep feuding with his pals. He won 5533 04:33:01.760 --> 04:33:03.719 a feud with Sean Waltman and Walman comes off the 5534 04:33:03.760 --> 04:33:05.200 top and kicks him in the head and then they 5535 04:33:05.240 --> 04:33:06.599 have the remember of the diaper match. 5536 04:33:07.599 --> 04:33:09.680 Oh yeah, of course next month February in your house. 5537 04:33:11.000 --> 04:33:11.479 That's what you do. 5538 04:33:11.599 --> 04:33:13.759 Put Mike sewn Waltman in the diaper and puts baby 5539 04:33:13.799 --> 04:33:17.080 powder all over him and then skips down. But yeah, 5540 04:33:17.119 --> 04:33:18.560 that's all they want to do is feud with each 5541 04:33:18.599 --> 04:33:21.040 other forever and tell each other how much they were 5542 04:33:21.119 --> 04:33:23.000 making so that they can all make the same and 5543 04:33:23.080 --> 04:33:25.880 all that bullshit, and Paul power play on Vince and 5544 04:33:26.479 --> 04:33:28.119 gang up on someone that pissed them off to get 5545 04:33:28.159 --> 04:33:29.639 him out of the company and give him the shame. 5546 04:33:31.319 --> 04:33:35.159 Really, it's like they do it. It's not particularly cool, No, 5547 04:33:35.400 --> 04:33:37.919 it's not, but they think it is because is playing games. 5548 04:33:37.959 --> 04:33:40.880 Nothing particularly coincidental that the company's fortunes turned around the 5549 04:33:40.919 --> 04:33:41.919 second they split. 5550 04:33:41.759 --> 04:33:43.439 Up, right exactly. 5551 04:33:43.880 --> 04:33:45.919 But the mention made of Marlena there. This is not 5552 04:33:46.040 --> 04:33:48.360 to be overlooked, of course. Terry boat Wright, she was 5553 04:33:48.599 --> 04:33:51.520 involved as Alexander York as a Vala and WCW where 5554 04:33:51.759 --> 04:33:53.880 Dustin Rhodes met her. She came into the company as 5555 04:33:53.919 --> 04:33:56.080 a makeup lady that was kind of working for TBS 5556 04:33:56.119 --> 04:33:58.119 at the time when they were shooting in the TBS studios, 5557 04:33:58.279 --> 04:34:00.400 and so she kind of got involved in wrestling and 5558 04:34:00.520 --> 04:34:02.799 met Dustin and married her, and Dusty Rhad's not a 5559 04:34:02.840 --> 04:34:05.360 fan of her. There was a big fight between Dusty 5560 04:34:05.360 --> 04:34:07.560 and Dustin years of not really talking to each other 5561 04:34:07.680 --> 04:34:10.520 over this marriage, and I think Dusty probably was vindicated 5562 04:34:10.560 --> 04:34:14.240 and learned on that one. But but you know, Marlena 5563 04:34:14.319 --> 04:34:16.680 here coming into the forefront and to hear her tell it, 5564 04:34:16.759 --> 04:34:19.319 this is from a shoot interview she did with Tommy 5565 04:34:19.360 --> 04:34:21.720 Dreamer as the host for our video. She was talking 5566 04:34:21.759 --> 04:34:24.680 about how the whole game it came together and what 5567 04:34:24.919 --> 04:34:28.119 the you know, what the the impetus was for it. 5568 04:34:28.840 --> 04:34:30.959 As far as I can tell, it's it's a woman 5569 04:34:31.000 --> 04:34:33.240 who used to like being on camera, who wants to 5570 04:34:33.279 --> 04:34:33.959 find another. 5571 04:34:33.759 --> 04:34:34.599 Way to be on camera. 5572 04:34:37.080 --> 04:34:39.319 I had just been at my family's home and my 5573 04:34:39.479 --> 04:34:45.240 sister collected collectible Barbie dolls, the ones that were unique, okay, 5574 04:34:45.560 --> 04:34:48.520 And there was a Bob Mackie. Bob Mackie used to 5575 04:34:48.599 --> 04:34:51.319 do all of shares dresses that you know, were so 5576 04:34:51.520 --> 04:34:55.119 over the top. And there was a Bob Mackie Barbie 5577 04:34:55.159 --> 04:34:59.840 doll called Sun Goddess. And the minute I saw it, 5578 04:35:00.319 --> 04:35:03.119 as she had Oliver Barbie's displayed in this one room 5579 04:35:03.200 --> 04:35:06.599 and I remember looking at it and thinking, oh my god, 5580 04:35:06.880 --> 04:35:12.200 like that that would look so good with gold dust, 5581 04:35:12.400 --> 04:35:14.880 Like that's amazing. Then I started thinking, and when I 5582 04:35:15.040 --> 04:35:17.279 when all this came to fruition, I'm in our tanning 5583 04:35:17.319 --> 04:35:18.560 bed in our basement. 5584 04:35:19.840 --> 04:35:22.040 Dustin's on the road, so I'm at home being mommy 5585 04:35:22.639 --> 04:35:26.279 and I'm tanning, and I went, what is it that 5586 04:35:26.520 --> 04:35:30.560 that w w F doesn't have. They've got scary Sherry, 5587 04:35:30.680 --> 04:35:32.080 They've got Tammy Sitch. 5588 04:35:33.520 --> 04:35:37.319 Screaming, you know, and this other one is like assist 5589 04:35:37.400 --> 04:35:43.040 boom bought, but nothing is this elegant, strong female that 5590 04:35:43.159 --> 04:35:48.599 has nothing to do with masculinity or whatever, like old school. 5591 04:35:49.360 --> 04:35:50.720 And the more I thought about it, I was like, 5592 04:35:51.439 --> 04:35:53.840 wait a second, they're trying. They're they're using all of 5593 04:35:53.919 --> 04:35:58.560 these old movie lines with Dustin because he's this actor, 5594 04:35:59.520 --> 04:36:01.840 which you know and Russo did all of that, and 5595 04:36:02.000 --> 04:36:03.639 so I just started thinking, like, it would be so 5596 04:36:03.919 --> 04:36:10.360 cool to have Dustin be managed by this very somewhat 5597 04:36:10.439 --> 04:36:15.200 androgens female that is very strong, like the old school 5598 04:36:15.400 --> 04:36:18.599 trains that you walk, you know, the red carpet to 5599 04:36:18.680 --> 04:36:23.759 the oscars. And I called him, I said, dust I 5600 04:36:23.880 --> 04:36:27.080 have this idea and I and I told him everything. 5601 04:36:29.000 --> 04:36:31.639 That I just told you, you know. I said, this 5602 04:36:31.799 --> 04:36:33.520 is what I see, and you know, this is what 5603 04:36:33.599 --> 04:36:37.720 they're lacking, and he goes, I love it. He said, okay, great. 5604 04:36:39.840 --> 04:36:40.439 He goes, okay. 5605 04:36:41.560 --> 04:36:44.799 I said, you know, you'll tell you'll call Vince. He goes, no, y, 5606 04:36:45.000 --> 04:36:47.439 if you want to do it, you call Vince. Yep, 5607 04:36:48.080 --> 04:36:50.439 I don't work for Vince. You work for Vince like 5608 04:36:50.520 --> 04:36:51.520 I've never even met them. 5609 04:36:51.560 --> 04:36:52.319 I don't Vince. 5610 04:36:52.720 --> 04:36:54.000 You you know you're telling me. 5611 04:36:54.040 --> 04:36:56.680 He said, nope, if you want to do it, which, hindsight, 5612 04:36:56.840 --> 04:36:59.439 that was Dustin not wanting to have anything to do 5613 04:36:59.560 --> 04:37:00.639 with power at that point. 5614 04:37:01.360 --> 04:37:03.560 But I called Vince's office. 5615 04:37:04.439 --> 04:37:06.319 It's also too you look like you're pitching an idea 5616 04:37:06.400 --> 04:37:06.880 for your wife. 5617 04:37:07.799 --> 04:37:09.439 True. I called, and. 5618 04:37:11.159 --> 04:37:14.479 I left a message, and I got a phone called 5619 04:37:14.479 --> 04:37:18.119 back from Pat Patterson, ironically enough, and he gave me 5620 04:37:18.279 --> 04:37:21.560 the very like kind obligatory Oh, you know, thank you 5621 04:37:21.680 --> 04:37:24.159 so much. We appreciate that idea, but yeah, we're we're 5622 04:37:24.240 --> 04:37:26.479 just not interested in using that, but thank you so much. 5623 04:37:26.880 --> 04:37:29.400 Click. I didn't think another thing about it. 5624 04:37:29.840 --> 04:37:32.680 I was so happy being a new mom, and I 5625 04:37:32.840 --> 04:37:36.040 was at my grandparents' home on at Christmas and Dustin 5626 04:37:36.119 --> 04:37:38.520 called me and said what are you doing? I said, 5627 04:37:38.560 --> 04:37:41.720 I'm at granny Granny's. He said, pack your bags. They 5628 04:37:41.759 --> 04:37:46.240 want to do your idea. That was it, everything about her. 5629 04:37:47.400 --> 04:37:51.240 I created the name the cigar. 5630 04:37:51.799 --> 04:37:51.919 You know. 5631 04:37:51.959 --> 04:37:53.959 At one point I said, Vince, either she should walk 5632 04:37:53.959 --> 04:37:56.159 to the ring with a glass of wine or a cigar. 5633 04:37:56.759 --> 04:37:58.720 He said, do the cigar. But he wouldn't let me 5634 04:37:58.799 --> 04:37:59.639 lie to it at first. 5635 04:38:00.159 --> 04:38:01.680 It's good it doesn't like people will smoke. 5636 04:38:01.840 --> 04:38:04.959 He hates that. Ironically enough, he's spent on the cover 5637 04:38:05.360 --> 04:38:06.840 of cigars you know there what. 5638 04:38:11.360 --> 04:38:15.360 What she was, Well, he doesn't like cigar smoke, so 5639 04:38:15.479 --> 04:38:17.520 he wouldn't let her light the cigar. And then he 5640 04:38:17.599 --> 04:38:19.200 ends up one time being on the cover of a 5641 04:38:19.279 --> 04:38:22.919 magazine called Cigarfiicionado. Vince, Oh my god, I remember if 5642 04:38:22.959 --> 04:38:25.479 this was if the Clinton cigar stuff had come out yet. 5643 04:38:26.959 --> 04:38:28.360 I always thought it had something to do with that, 5644 04:38:28.479 --> 04:38:32.080 But no, I don't think so, because I don't think 5645 04:38:32.159 --> 04:38:33.360 it came out until ninety eight. 5646 04:38:35.439 --> 04:38:38.080 Yeah, that was a little ways the ways away still. 5647 04:38:38.520 --> 04:38:40.919 Yeah, but that's that's where the emlanes comes from. It's 5648 04:38:40.919 --> 04:38:44.000 where Marlena came. As far as the name, Uh, have 5649 04:38:44.119 --> 04:38:47.439 you ever heard of Marlene Dietrich. Sure, of course legend, 5650 04:38:47.599 --> 04:38:50.240 that's that's thought to be the genesis for the name. 5651 04:38:51.240 --> 04:38:54.240 And here is Marlena commenting on that in terms of 5652 04:38:54.240 --> 04:38:55.080 where the name came. 5653 04:38:54.959 --> 04:38:59.159 From, Marlena, you came up with the name everything, Hang on, 5654 04:38:59.520 --> 04:39:01.319 no frickin thing that they came. 5655 04:39:01.279 --> 04:39:03.840 Up with, I did it. It says your character was 5656 04:39:04.240 --> 04:39:06.599 modeled after Marlene Dietrich, that. 5657 04:39:06.759 --> 04:39:10.159 Rlana Marlena Dietrich was one of the old school Hollywood 5658 04:39:10.200 --> 04:39:14.279 women that back when it was not appropriate for women 5659 04:39:14.360 --> 04:39:18.439 to wear pants, she would wear like men's suits and pants. 5660 04:39:18.599 --> 04:39:21.080 And so I thought that name. 5661 04:39:22.119 --> 04:39:24.720 I had two names that I liked, Oscar because that 5662 04:39:24.840 --> 04:39:27.880 was very androgynous, plus it played along with the whole 5663 04:39:27.919 --> 04:39:32.200 movie thing, or Marlena, and of those two, they decided Marlena. 5664 04:39:32.639 --> 04:39:36.479 But those were both of my you know, both of 5665 04:39:36.599 --> 04:39:37.119 my names. 5666 04:39:37.880 --> 04:39:38.680 It worked out. 5667 04:39:39.599 --> 04:39:42.479 I always thought you were you were going to be 5668 04:39:43.880 --> 04:39:45.680 you remind me so, no, it was kind of it was. 5669 04:39:45.759 --> 04:39:48.919 And at the time too, they were already getting massive 5670 04:39:48.959 --> 04:39:52.479 heat because you know, the advertisers were going, I'm not 5671 04:39:52.639 --> 04:39:54.759 really sure about this, you know, so I kind of 5672 04:39:54.799 --> 04:39:57.680 helped neutralize a bit of that with me being female. 5673 04:39:59.000 --> 04:40:01.360 You know, it's funny she talked to about androgynous this 5674 04:40:01.479 --> 04:40:04.159 and that, and Marle and Dietrich wearing pants and stuff. 5675 04:40:04.360 --> 04:40:05.919 Do you I kind of remember this now that she's 5676 04:40:05.919 --> 04:40:08.520 talking about this. Do you remember in the very earliest 5677 04:40:08.599 --> 04:40:11.479 days of this gimmick, like they were talking about Marlena 5678 04:40:11.599 --> 04:40:12.520 like she might be a guy. 5679 04:40:12.720 --> 04:40:17.279 Do you remember this? I don't remember that. 5680 04:40:17.799 --> 04:40:20.479 I even feel like there was reference made to like 5681 04:40:21.759 --> 04:40:23.919 like she had like a bulge under her dress or something. 5682 04:40:23.959 --> 04:40:26.560 I could be making this up, but maybe they said 5683 04:40:26.560 --> 04:40:28.680 these kind of things about China too, which they really 5684 04:40:28.759 --> 04:40:31.880 you know, went hard on that. But I do remember 5685 04:40:32.159 --> 04:40:34.919 them trying to get us to think that, like because 5686 04:40:34.959 --> 04:40:38.720 Goldust was, you know, obviously supposed to be they would 5687 04:40:38.720 --> 04:40:42.159 say androgynous over and over again to avoid what they knew. 5688 04:40:42.200 --> 04:40:44.919 It's just like Muhammed Assan. You know, this guy is 5689 04:40:44.959 --> 04:40:46.919 going to get heat because people are gonna yell the 5690 04:40:47.119 --> 04:40:50.080 you know, slurs at him, like there's even if you 5691 04:40:50.159 --> 04:40:52.479 don't even if it doesn't come out and say he's 5692 04:40:52.560 --> 04:40:54.639 he's gay, that's still the heat. And you know full 5693 04:40:54.680 --> 04:40:56.479 well that's the heat even if you get really cute 5694 04:40:56.520 --> 04:40:59.319 in your booking, so you can't be accused of homophobia, 5695 04:41:01.319 --> 04:41:03.119 and I do feel like that was part of it, Like, 5696 04:41:03.200 --> 04:41:05.959 this guy can't just come out liking women. That's not 5697 04:41:06.040 --> 04:41:07.919 what we want to do. So we have to call 5698 04:41:08.000 --> 04:41:11.000 in a question whether she's actually a woman, and she's 5699 04:41:11.080 --> 04:41:12.880 just too mysterious for us to be able to tell. 5700 04:41:13.360 --> 04:41:15.240 But it's interesting to hear her talk about like names 5701 04:41:15.279 --> 04:41:17.959 like Oscar and stuff like that. Was definitely part of 5702 04:41:18.000 --> 04:41:19.840 the idea for this character was that you weren't sure 5703 04:41:19.840 --> 04:41:22.200 if she was a woman, which is weird because she 5704 04:41:22.479 --> 04:41:23.720 very much presents like a woman. 5705 04:41:24.080 --> 04:41:26.319 I know, right, I mean you can't fucking I mean 5706 04:41:26.560 --> 04:41:30.159 those fucking you know, her chest definitely reads women. Yeah, 5707 04:41:30.159 --> 04:41:33.240 well there's that too, yes, you know, fucking exploding out 5708 04:41:33.279 --> 04:41:34.200 of everything she wears. 5709 04:41:34.599 --> 04:41:38.400 And eventually it comes down to her. And this is 5710 04:41:38.479 --> 04:41:42.200 around ninety seven, right, because we heard some of this, Yeah, 5711 04:41:42.279 --> 04:41:43.639 we heard some of this when we went through the 5712 04:41:43.680 --> 04:41:46.119 CID journey. And of course he has such an important 5713 04:41:46.919 --> 04:41:49.240 early in ninety seven, winning the title from Brett on Raw. 5714 04:41:49.400 --> 04:41:51.479 I think it's on that raw in fact, where Barlena 5715 04:41:51.560 --> 04:41:54.599 for the first time says he's all man, oh yeah, right, 5716 04:41:54.759 --> 04:41:58.159 like finally confirming that they're actually a romantically involved couple 5717 04:41:58.200 --> 04:42:00.880 and not just too like you know, head, just like 5718 04:42:02.200 --> 04:42:05.479 you know, expressing sexuality all the time, but not actually together. 5719 04:42:06.520 --> 04:42:08.919 So that is Marlena. We see her for the first 5720 04:42:08.959 --> 04:42:11.560 time right here at the ninety six Rumble. And finally 5721 04:42:11.599 --> 04:42:14.080 another impactful character that we see for the first time 5722 04:42:14.119 --> 04:42:17.560 in WWF on this show. Take me back, boss, how 5723 04:42:17.639 --> 04:42:19.520 excited were you about the arrival of Vader? 5724 04:42:21.240 --> 04:42:21.400 Oh? 5725 04:42:21.720 --> 04:42:26.240 I was fucking this is the show, so fucking excited 5726 04:42:26.319 --> 04:42:31.560 when they because look again, at the time, it was 5727 04:42:31.680 --> 04:42:35.840 like WCW was always taking guys. Yes, you know, he 5728 04:42:35.919 --> 04:42:38.159 didn't really see it the other way around. They had Hogan, 5729 04:42:38.240 --> 04:42:40.799 they had Savage, like everyone, they had, you know, even 5730 04:42:40.880 --> 04:42:43.799 that Honky Tonk. They had fucking Earthquake, all these guys 5731 04:42:44.439 --> 04:42:48.000 who who. I was like, you know, I held on 5732 04:42:48.119 --> 04:42:54.479 as being loyalists. You know, we're jumping ship. And so 5733 04:42:55.919 --> 04:43:00.520 when when I saw Vader being announced for the the Rumble, 5734 04:43:00.639 --> 04:43:07.159 I was fucking thrilled, thrilled, thrilled, Like to have Austin 5735 04:43:07.279 --> 04:43:10.959 jump ship first, and then to have fucking Vader of 5736 04:43:11.040 --> 04:43:13.680 all people jump ship. I was like, this is this 5737 04:43:13.840 --> 04:43:14.560 is game changer. 5738 04:43:15.479 --> 04:43:20.119 And Foley Fully's coming, Johnny b Bad's coming, it would 5739 04:43:20.119 --> 04:43:22.040 be the year of them loading up on ww talent 5740 04:43:22.119 --> 04:43:25.439 for sure. And uh yeah, I mean they they built 5741 04:43:25.479 --> 04:43:28.080 him up big time with a series of vignettes where 5742 04:43:28.080 --> 04:43:31.759 he's just you know, crushing various things and and various 5743 04:43:31.799 --> 04:43:35.360 states of training. They show him I'll never forget this 5744 04:43:35.479 --> 04:43:41.200 moon salting on a trampoline outdoors. Yeah, to get an 5745 04:43:41.200 --> 04:43:42.919 idea of what he could do in the sky. So 5746 04:43:43.080 --> 04:43:47.040 here's how the Vader Hints began on WWTV. 5747 04:43:50.840 --> 04:44:04.080 On the Rocky Mountains in Boulder, Colorado. Ah, I'll bring 5748 04:44:04.200 --> 04:44:11.919 you the Prince of Power. 5749 04:44:16.840 --> 04:44:32.680 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 5750 04:44:32.840 --> 04:44:36.279 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 5751 04:44:51.000 --> 04:44:54.880 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnassio 5752 04:44:55.360 --> 04:44:56.720 m JP sorrow. 5753 04:44:57.639 --> 04:45:00.840 Sounds good, sounds accurate from a leaning in. 5754 04:45:01.000 --> 04:45:03.639 They pair him with Jim Cornett as a mouthpiece as well, 5755 04:45:04.400 --> 04:45:06.599 who does a lot of work getting the people hyped 5756 04:45:06.680 --> 04:45:09.560 up on Vader's forthcoming arrival. 5757 04:45:10.279 --> 04:45:13.200 Yeah, that was a fucking that was a choice. I 5758 04:45:13.279 --> 04:45:15.479 was certainly a great choice to have for him. 5759 04:45:16.599 --> 04:45:18.400 Are you saying that sarcastically or no? 5760 04:45:18.599 --> 04:45:21.080 I loved I loved Cornette and Vader. That to me 5761 04:45:21.319 --> 04:45:25.840 was a great, great it was fantastic. I was a 5762 04:45:25.880 --> 04:45:26.439 big fan of that. 5763 04:45:26.759 --> 04:45:28.639 He'd proved to be very valuable in ways. Maybe they 5764 04:45:28.680 --> 04:45:31.680 didn't even anticipate, because did you know that Vader comes 5765 04:45:31.680 --> 04:45:33.400 into the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble in his first 5766 04:45:33.439 --> 04:45:35.520 night with the company with a huge shoulder injury. 5767 04:45:36.759 --> 04:45:37.479 No, I did not know. 5768 04:45:37.560 --> 04:45:40.759 That's why he's so exceptionally fat in this match. 5769 04:45:41.360 --> 04:45:41.680 Wow. 5770 04:45:42.080 --> 04:45:42.840 I always wonder. 5771 04:45:42.720 --> 04:45:44.680 When and I always thought it was just because he 5772 04:45:44.759 --> 04:45:45.080 ate a lot. 5773 04:45:45.520 --> 04:45:49.439 Well, we'll get into it, but I always wondered why 5774 04:45:49.599 --> 04:45:52.959 on this show he's wearing his singlet backwards. 5775 04:45:55.000 --> 04:45:56.040 And it says, God, damn it. 5776 04:45:56.159 --> 04:45:58.479 I never fucking noticed this Vader time on the back, 5777 04:45:58.599 --> 04:46:01.840 not the front like it always did in WW. And 5778 04:46:02.520 --> 04:46:05.119 even if it didn't say Vader Time, the space where 5779 04:46:05.159 --> 04:46:07.520 the letters are was always in the front, and I 5780 04:46:07.680 --> 04:46:12.680 was looking at it, having, you know, learned about the 5781 04:46:12.799 --> 04:46:14.759 shoulder injury that he came into this match with and 5782 04:46:14.840 --> 04:46:19.799 the subsequent effect on his waistline and presentation above the waistline, 5783 04:46:19.840 --> 04:46:21.520 I was like, wait a minute, maybe switching the sing 5784 04:46:21.639 --> 04:46:25.319 letter around actually served to hide more fat than would 5785 04:46:25.360 --> 04:46:27.400 have been hidden if he had it the other way around, 5786 04:46:28.080 --> 04:46:30.599 because it's so weird because he's got the strap down 5787 04:46:30.639 --> 04:46:32.400 the middle of his so you just see his tits 5788 04:46:32.439 --> 04:46:35.119 on both sides. Yeah, the sing let's supposed to cover 5789 04:46:35.240 --> 04:46:38.080 your nipples and it doesn't. His nipples are on full 5790 04:46:38.119 --> 04:46:40.400 display because he's got the thing on backwards. And I 5791 04:46:40.560 --> 04:46:43.720 never knew why, and I just started to deduce that 5792 04:46:43.840 --> 04:46:46.520 maybe it had something to do with Look, because you 5793 04:46:46.560 --> 04:46:50.759 can pull up the sides better, you don't see as 5794 04:46:50.840 --> 04:46:52.919 much sag underneath the tits when you have it on 5795 04:46:53.040 --> 04:46:55.840 this way, because like the back, which is tighter and higher, 5796 04:46:56.319 --> 04:46:59.479 covers more of the stomach than I think the other 5797 04:46:59.520 --> 04:47:01.439 way around does because it droops on the other way. 5798 04:47:02.360 --> 04:47:04.439 That's just my my supposition as to why he did this, 5799 04:47:04.520 --> 04:47:07.200 because it was very strange looking. But when he gets 5800 04:47:07.200 --> 04:47:09.479 in the ring, you can kind of see he's he's lumbering, 5801 04:47:09.720 --> 04:47:12.799 he's not, and he's way fatter than he usually is 5802 04:47:12.919 --> 04:47:14.119 and he's not bulked. 5803 04:47:14.360 --> 04:47:14.520 You know. 5804 04:47:14.560 --> 04:47:16.240 The thing with Vader that was always over the top 5805 04:47:16.400 --> 04:47:18.200 was that not only was he massive for hun a 5806 04:47:18.279 --> 04:47:21.439 plus powder, he was ripped too. He had he had 5807 04:47:21.479 --> 04:47:21.959 the muscles. 5808 04:47:22.040 --> 04:47:23.680 Oh yeah, I mean he was like, you know, he 5809 04:47:23.919 --> 04:47:26.119 was a boulder. He was like a giant beast. 5810 04:47:26.680 --> 04:47:28.560 His size wasn't just in the stomach, it was in 5811 04:47:28.599 --> 04:47:30.759 his shoulder and his biceps and his traps. 5812 04:47:31.360 --> 04:47:31.520 Right. 5813 04:47:31.799 --> 04:47:34.400 But he just like when you saw him, you didn't 5814 04:47:34.400 --> 04:47:36.159 look at him and say, like even look at him 5815 04:47:36.240 --> 04:47:41.720 like uh like the Mabel, right Like, he looked like 5816 04:47:42.080 --> 04:47:42.479 a beast. 5817 04:47:42.599 --> 04:47:44.200 He looked like a animal. And he you know, he's 5818 04:47:44.279 --> 04:47:46.520 admitted to it. He broyed up and to be that 5819 04:47:46.639 --> 04:47:49.040 big plus Roids, I mean, Jesus, you're creating a fucking 5820 04:47:49.159 --> 04:47:49.959 monster for sure. 5821 04:47:50.119 --> 04:47:50.319 Yeah. 5822 04:47:50.680 --> 04:47:53.200 But now, unfortunately the shoulder injury came at a terrible 5823 04:47:53.240 --> 04:47:56.439 time for him, and they really didn't want to push 5824 04:47:56.479 --> 04:47:58.680 off his Rumble debut. As Brett talked about in his book, 5825 04:47:58.720 --> 04:48:01.520 they were really hurting for an infusion of new talent 5826 04:48:01.599 --> 04:48:04.639 that could spark interest at the time, but eventually, I 5827 04:48:04.880 --> 04:48:09.599 would argue, lead to them biting their swallowing their pride 5828 04:48:09.639 --> 04:48:12.840 and bringing back Ultimate Warrior even and cutting a deal 5829 04:48:12.919 --> 04:48:16.279 that was destined to fail. So here's Vader, and they 5830 04:48:16.319 --> 04:48:18.720 need to put him in the position to look dominant 5831 04:48:18.759 --> 04:48:20.080 in this rumble because they want this to be his 5832 04:48:20.159 --> 04:48:22.279 big coming out party. And you can do some unique things, 5833 04:48:22.639 --> 04:48:24.799 introducing a new monster in the Brumbles. He can pummel 5834 04:48:24.840 --> 04:48:25.840 on so many people at once. 5835 04:48:26.119 --> 04:48:27.880 Of course, that's kind of the beauty of it. You 5836 04:48:27.919 --> 04:48:30.959 can you can go to go to fucking town and. 5837 04:48:31.000 --> 04:48:34.360 Knowing monster like this he does and he ate is 5838 04:48:34.400 --> 04:48:35.880 the ship out of people in this one. This is 5839 04:48:35.880 --> 04:48:37.520 where it comes from. I think back of my A 5840 04:48:37.639 --> 04:48:39.520 to A to eight to some w c W. It's 5841 04:48:39.560 --> 04:48:41.880 this show that I watched one hundred times sure where 5842 04:48:41.880 --> 04:48:44.080 he comes in going high low, high low, cuffing people 5843 04:48:44.119 --> 04:48:46.840 with the black gloves, oh for sure. And he's cuffing 5844 04:48:46.880 --> 04:48:48.919 people exclusively because he can't really do a whole hele 5845 04:48:48.919 --> 04:48:51.159 of a lot in the ring. He's throwing probably three 5846 04:48:51.240 --> 04:48:53.400 times the punches he would throw. That's what all he 5847 04:48:53.439 --> 04:48:56.200 can do. And remember what happens the night after this, 5848 04:48:57.959 --> 04:49:00.799 I'm wraw is when he and he takes care of 5849 04:49:01.040 --> 04:49:03.680 Grilla monsoon, right, he attacks really months soon after attacking 5850 04:49:03.680 --> 04:49:06.360 Savio Vega and gives girl month soon. Of course, then 5851 04:49:06.400 --> 04:49:09.360 the president of the World Wrestling Federation a Vader bomb 5852 04:49:09.439 --> 04:49:11.759 and Gorilla goes away. And that's all done so that 5853 04:49:11.840 --> 04:49:13.520 they have a reason to suspend him from TV. So 5854 04:49:13.599 --> 04:49:17.000 we can go have surgery on the shoulder. Wow, that's 5855 04:49:17.040 --> 04:49:18.479 why that was done so quickly. It turned out to 5856 04:49:18.520 --> 04:49:21.000 be greatly impactful. And the Jim Cornette point is great 5857 04:49:21.000 --> 04:49:23.240 because while Vader is off TV, you can still have 5858 04:49:23.319 --> 04:49:26.639 Jim Cornette on TV, you know, explaining why this guy's 5859 04:49:26.639 --> 04:49:28.520 a huge deal and how dangerous. 5860 04:49:28.560 --> 04:49:31.240 Oh, that's fascinating, and you have this offense. I never 5861 04:49:31.319 --> 04:49:33.000 really thought of that. That's brilliant. 5862 04:49:33.040 --> 04:49:35.040 And he comes back on the on the wrong foot 5863 04:49:35.119 --> 04:49:37.000 with that injury. He doesn't let it heal very well 5864 04:49:37.040 --> 04:49:38.439 because he's so eager to get back in the mix. 5865 04:49:38.520 --> 04:49:41.080 He's back in just a few weeks. Remember there's that 5866 04:49:41.159 --> 04:49:45.040 weird six man tag at Wrestling A twelve where he's yeah, yeah, 5867 04:49:45.119 --> 04:49:47.599 he's not really going for the gusto as a single's force. 5868 04:49:47.680 --> 04:49:49.959 He comes back in kind of a water down program 5869 04:49:50.000 --> 04:49:51.880 where he's a face in the crowd and he never 5870 04:49:51.959 --> 04:49:54.319 gets it back. I mean that that was a horrible 5871 04:49:54.319 --> 04:49:57.159 first impression for him. By the time, he's somewhat the 5872 04:49:57.240 --> 04:49:59.360 old Vader from a physical health standpoint, and they get 5873 04:49:59.360 --> 04:50:02.720 to Summer Slam ninety six. You know, enough of whispering 5874 04:50:02.759 --> 04:50:04.319 has been done by Sean and others that. 5875 04:50:04.360 --> 04:50:09.159 This guy, right, you know he is. He can't recover troubles. 5876 04:50:09.759 --> 04:50:11.400 And there was a lot of issues right up until 5877 04:50:11.799 --> 04:50:15.639 the Rumble itself in and around Vader's contractual status because 5878 04:50:15.639 --> 04:50:17.599 apparently he had an agent who I couldn't really find 5879 04:50:17.599 --> 04:50:20.279 the name of and isn't mentioned, but is referenced several times, 5880 04:50:20.319 --> 04:50:22.919 including in Bruce Pritchard's podcast talking about this time period 5881 04:50:23.119 --> 04:50:25.720 that was making closing a deal with Leon White very difficult. 5882 04:50:26.200 --> 04:50:28.080 And The Observer even said at the time that Vader 5883 04:50:28.119 --> 04:50:30.400 went into the Royal Rumble that night without a final 5884 04:50:30.520 --> 04:50:33.720 inked contract, without a wow signed a deal in place, 5885 04:50:33.799 --> 04:50:35.919 and Pritchard didn't quite deny that. He just chalked it 5886 04:50:36.040 --> 04:50:38.560 up to the agent making things more difficult than the 5887 04:50:38.599 --> 04:50:40.880 tail end. Vader takes to his book, which we'll read 5888 04:50:40.919 --> 04:50:43.919 fro him now and sort of confirms that that circumstance 5889 04:50:44.319 --> 04:50:46.159 at least, you know, he ended up not being a 5890 04:50:46.200 --> 04:50:47.880 great fan of the agent who was in play at 5891 04:50:47.919 --> 04:50:50.200 the time. But here's the lay of the land and 5892 04:50:50.319 --> 04:50:53.439 why the Vader appearance for the first time in the 5893 04:50:53.560 --> 04:50:55.759 WWF for the nineteen ninety six Royal Rumble, while in 5894 04:50:55.840 --> 04:50:59.040 packful was kind of snake bitten at the same time. Boss, 5895 04:50:59.159 --> 04:51:01.759 Let's take us to Vader's book, Vader Time. 5896 04:51:02.439 --> 04:51:06.560 All right, I'm not going to do the voice. It's 5897 04:51:06.599 --> 04:51:11.000 too painful to read this much. Vince was a class act. 5898 04:51:12.040 --> 04:51:15.560 He offered a great opportunity, global exposure and really good 5899 04:51:15.639 --> 04:51:17.799 money to return the favor. I was up front with 5900 04:51:17.880 --> 04:51:19.520 Vince right from the start. I told him about the 5901 04:51:19.520 --> 04:51:22.240 shoulder injury I was working on in w CW. He 5902 04:51:22.360 --> 04:51:25.639 was working I'm working on the shoulder injury, and I'm 5903 04:51:25.680 --> 04:51:27.720 working on the shoulder injury right now, kind of working 5904 04:51:27.759 --> 04:51:31.720 on that. It's hurt. And let him know that I 5905 04:51:31.799 --> 04:51:34.959 really needed shoulder surgery. One of the big problems for 5906 04:51:35.040 --> 04:51:39.080 me initially was that shoulder injury. I was hesitant to 5907 04:51:39.159 --> 04:51:41.840 sign on with the WW because I felt I couldn't 5908 04:51:41.880 --> 04:51:45.080 deliver the monster Vader that I wanted to. I could 5909 04:51:45.080 --> 04:51:49.240 barely lift my shoulder up over my head. God, I hope. 5910 04:51:50.159 --> 04:51:52.599 I mean anyone who can lift their shoulder over their 5911 04:51:52.639 --> 04:51:56.840 head as a that's a problem. Yeah, I know, let 5912 04:51:56.880 --> 04:51:59.840 alone body slam anyone. Vince didn't care. He didn't want 5913 04:52:00.279 --> 04:52:02.799 w to change their mind and call me back. He 5914 04:52:02.880 --> 04:52:06.119 also didn't want another promotion coming along and scooping me up. Well, 5915 04:52:06.439 --> 04:52:07.919 do you think you can heal up in a reasonable 5916 04:52:07.959 --> 04:52:11.319 amount of time, say within a year? He said, yes. There, 5917 04:52:11.759 --> 04:52:14.639 I said, I'm not the issue before. I just knew 5918 04:52:14.680 --> 04:52:15.240 the operation. 5919 04:52:16.919 --> 04:52:18.919 That's really smart of you to deploy it and direct 5920 04:52:19.040 --> 04:52:20.360 quote that's great. 5921 04:52:21.880 --> 04:52:22.959 Good, Then it's settled. 5922 04:52:23.080 --> 04:52:26.200 Yeah, tell me twice then so I can't get out 5923 04:52:26.200 --> 04:52:29.159 of bed. Good it's settled. See in Fresno. 5924 04:52:29.799 --> 04:52:31.200 So I don't can't get out of bed see in 5925 04:52:31.240 --> 04:52:35.720 the rumble. He didn't care about the injury period, end 5926 04:52:35.759 --> 04:52:41.479 it there, fucking it and brought me in Anyhow, after signing, 5927 04:52:41.520 --> 04:52:43.159 we decided I would work for some of the some 5928 04:52:43.360 --> 04:52:46.279 with the injury, uh and get some interest in my 5929 04:52:46.400 --> 04:52:49.959 character before taking some time off for the surgery. There 5930 04:52:50.000 --> 04:52:52.439 were a number of weeks leading up to the to 5931 04:52:52.479 --> 04:52:54.919 the w Royal Rumble. Vince decided that he would announce 5932 04:52:54.959 --> 04:52:58.080 my debut for the pay per view to boost sales 5933 04:52:58.159 --> 04:53:00.639 and hype it up like crazy on television. How did 5934 04:53:00.880 --> 04:53:04.520 Vader do with sales? Did a lot of people buy 5935 04:53:04.599 --> 04:53:07.040 it because of Vader? I don't think so, but I 5936 04:53:07.080 --> 04:53:11.080 think that, I mean they fucking listen, listen all right? 5937 04:53:12.840 --> 04:53:15.319 I mean, yes, the injury I'm sure is a problem, 5938 04:53:16.119 --> 04:53:17.840 but they fucking bury him right from the get go 5939 04:53:18.759 --> 04:53:19.360 in this match. 5940 04:53:19.520 --> 04:53:22.560 Yeah, We've talked about this for years. It's like the 5941 04:53:22.639 --> 04:53:26.080 ultimate yeah WTF spot in a Royal rumble They've had. 5942 04:53:26.520 --> 04:53:32.040 They've had every rumble, You've had moments where I mean 5943 04:53:32.119 --> 04:53:38.159 even even Yokozuna himself. Yokozuna himself had like a dozen 5944 04:53:38.240 --> 04:53:40.959 guys and the ninety three Rumble trying to eliminate him. 5945 04:53:41.000 --> 04:53:45.439 He didn't even fucking bud, he didn't exactly. And yet 5946 04:53:45.439 --> 04:53:48.400 in this one, Sean Michaels is to eliminate both Vader 5947 04:53:48.560 --> 04:53:51.439 and Yokozuna at the same time, but just fucking lightly 5948 04:53:51.560 --> 04:53:52.520 touching one arm each. 5949 04:53:53.360 --> 04:53:56.520 Yeah, puts his arm in both of their ass cracks 5950 04:53:56.560 --> 04:53:57.680 and shoves him over the ropes. 5951 04:53:57.759 --> 04:54:02.319 It's one of the most ridiculous. Like at the time, 5952 04:54:02.520 --> 04:54:05.000 I was fucking thrilled because I was like, that's amazing, 5953 04:54:05.479 --> 04:54:08.560 you know, because it's like you don't expect that, and 5954 04:54:08.680 --> 04:54:11.520 so it's exciting as a kid to like, yeah, and like, 5955 04:54:11.639 --> 04:54:14.080 you know, listen, all I wanted was a babyface to 5956 04:54:14.119 --> 04:54:16.080 win the rumble. I want a Diesel for sure. But 5957 04:54:16.240 --> 04:54:18.680 Shawn Michaels was a fine second. I don't know I 5958 04:54:18.759 --> 04:54:21.040 made that clear earlier, but I was fine with seaw 5959 04:54:21.119 --> 04:54:27.000 Michael's winning as a second second place and so like 5960 04:54:27.279 --> 04:54:29.080 that was amazing to me at the time. But then 5961 04:54:30.439 --> 04:54:33.520 you know, you're like, wait a minute, how the fuck 5962 04:54:33.639 --> 04:54:36.360 is how the fuck is rinky ding Shawn Michaels not 5963 04:54:36.439 --> 04:54:40.279 able to eliminate? Is he to eliminate Yokozuna? But fucking 5964 04:54:40.319 --> 04:54:43.479 earthquake couldn't? Right? You know what the fuck? 5965 04:54:43.680 --> 04:54:45.959 I think a couple of dropkicks wouldn't have been a 5966 04:54:46.040 --> 04:54:47.360 lot better, I. 5967 04:54:47.360 --> 04:54:50.279 Meaning could have been better. I mean, I mean, I mean, 5968 04:54:50.439 --> 04:54:52.599 especially for Vader, like in his first match, you give 5969 04:54:52.680 --> 04:54:54.759 them just like tossed out like a rag doll, Like 5970 04:54:54.840 --> 04:54:58.080 that's just stupid. Yeah, he should have been accidentally eliminated, 5971 04:54:58.200 --> 04:55:01.200 like you know, something like that, like would have been 5972 04:55:01.279 --> 04:55:09.560 way better. Before they could promote my coming in, they 5973 04:55:09.639 --> 04:55:11.520 had to first figure out what they were going to 5974 04:55:11.599 --> 04:55:14.720 call me. The name that there was some discussion at 5975 04:55:14.799 --> 04:55:17.040 first be on the scenes as to what Vince wanted 5976 04:55:17.080 --> 04:55:21.040 to call me right after I debuted. Since Vince likes 5977 04:55:21.080 --> 04:55:23.599 to own your name, he wanted to change my gimmick 5978 04:55:23.599 --> 04:55:26.840 into something he was going to call the mastodon, which 5979 04:55:26.919 --> 04:55:28.959 was like a giant prehistormic wooly mammoth. 5980 04:55:29.080 --> 04:55:29.360 That's it. 5981 04:55:30.599 --> 04:55:34.599 The man they called wooly mammoth. What do you think 5982 04:55:34.680 --> 04:55:36.759 I like it? How about woody mammoth. 5983 04:55:36.799 --> 04:55:40.639 Picture VADERI after the wsw run coming through the curtain, 5984 04:55:41.880 --> 04:55:43.560 and they call him the mastodon. 5985 04:55:44.759 --> 04:55:48.680 I think the wooly mammoth, mammoth masterdon el mastadono. 5986 04:55:50.040 --> 04:55:51.520 H isn't that what they call it in Mexico? 5987 04:55:51.560 --> 04:55:58.959 Pell the the Lucha libra el masdonides right. 5988 04:55:59.319 --> 04:55:59.840 Something like that? 5989 04:56:00.080 --> 04:56:00.200 Right? 5990 04:56:00.279 --> 04:56:02.439 Sounds good? Chili Keile said, how. 5991 04:56:02.400 --> 04:56:07.560 About how about we call you the wooly mammoth or 5992 04:56:07.959 --> 04:56:13.240 l mammoth o wooly delicious. I think, listen, I'm telling 5993 04:56:13.240 --> 04:56:15.400 you you know what what you gotta do. So here's 5994 04:56:15.400 --> 04:56:17.279 the thing, the red and black get rid of it. 5995 04:56:18.080 --> 04:56:21.639 We're talking full brown body. 5996 04:56:21.680 --> 04:56:25.319 Sit right, all right with trunk man Tower on the phone. 5997 04:56:26.240 --> 04:56:29.639 All right, get your trunk out and you'll come in there. 5998 04:56:29.720 --> 04:56:32.319 And what you'll do is you'll you'll take the trunk 5999 04:56:32.360 --> 04:56:34.360 and you'll just suck people's faces. And that's how you 6000 04:56:34.400 --> 04:56:41.279 beat him. The man they call Woolly big Fan. 6001 04:56:43.520 --> 04:56:45.240 I think he gets to it. But it's Cornett, who 6002 04:56:45.279 --> 04:56:46.919 really stands up, who had a voice in the creve 6003 04:56:47.319 --> 04:56:49.200 to help us. You know, we just got the guy 6004 04:56:50.080 --> 04:56:53.279 in w CW like WW champion coming in here. We're 6005 04:56:53.279 --> 04:56:56.840 gonna like force the people to memory hole. He is 6006 04:56:56.880 --> 04:56:58.880 who he is, which is the only reason Richard signing 6007 04:56:58.959 --> 04:56:59.720 him anyway. 6008 04:57:00.159 --> 04:57:05.080 Right, Jim Cornette one of wrestling's top managers of all time, 6009 04:57:06.240 --> 04:57:10.840 one of wrestling's top managers of all time. Okay, stepped 6010 04:57:10.880 --> 04:57:12.240 up and went to bat for me. He was a 6011 04:57:12.319 --> 04:57:15.159 fan of my work and approached Vince McMahon. He's fucking fader. 6012 04:57:15.959 --> 04:57:17.599 Jim said, oh yeah, it's already one of the biggest 6013 04:57:17.639 --> 04:57:20.040 names everyone ws W Japan, all around the world. And 6014 04:57:20.119 --> 04:57:21.799 you want to change his name, call him Macedon. 6015 04:57:23.599 --> 04:57:25.319 Well, Brian Pelder friend of mine. 6016 04:57:29.319 --> 04:57:34.560 Uh wait, there's something cut off here. But they say 6017 04:57:34.720 --> 04:57:37.080 dress up in some elephant costume, perhaps something worse. 6018 04:57:37.200 --> 04:57:38.360 Oh geez, really sorry. 6019 04:57:38.599 --> 04:57:40.520 Part of it's cut off. It goes from Masadon, then 6020 04:57:40.560 --> 04:57:46.720 it goes to the kindall thing, and then you said elephant. Yeah, 6021 04:57:47.159 --> 04:57:49.400 part of the there's part of it elephant. Actually, I 6022 04:57:49.479 --> 04:57:50.040 might have the book. 6023 04:57:50.080 --> 04:57:57.319 Actually, let's take a look. Dress up in some elephant costume. 6024 04:57:57.400 --> 04:57:59.000 Or perhaps something worse. I was able to keep my 6025 04:57:59.119 --> 04:58:00.919 name for the most part, as the man they call Vader. 6026 04:58:01.119 --> 04:58:02.759 I've often wondered what if we had gone with the 6027 04:58:02.799 --> 04:58:05.880 Master done gimmick all in. Vince wanted to change the 6028 04:58:05.959 --> 04:58:08.040 name to Mastadon, to create a whole new character, with 6029 04:58:08.080 --> 04:58:09.759 a whole new look, to make money with, you know what. 6030 04:58:10.400 --> 04:58:12.200 Not having the business sense that I do today, I 6031 04:58:12.279 --> 04:58:16.080 probably should have done it. Here's Vader, the fuck is 6032 04:58:16.119 --> 04:58:18.000 wrong with you? Don't be an idiot, Don't be a 6033 04:58:18.080 --> 04:58:19.880 fucking Vince was a great genius. He said to me, 6034 04:58:19.919 --> 04:58:21.680 you've been Vader. You'll always be known as Vader, but 6035 04:58:21.680 --> 04:58:23.200 I want to change your name here in the WBF 6036 04:58:23.240 --> 04:58:24.400 officially to Mastadon. 6037 04:58:25.080 --> 04:58:35.560 That was a big change. Rather than masters, Oh Adrian, Mastadonis, 6038 04:58:37.919 --> 04:58:39.520 you could be you could be like kind of the 6039 04:58:39.799 --> 04:58:42.240 ring leader for the body don us. You got the 6040 04:58:42.479 --> 04:58:47.840 Skip and you got zip and you got mastered. That 6041 04:58:48.000 --> 04:58:50.000 was a big change. Rather than make a quick decision, 6042 04:58:50.040 --> 04:58:51.639 I asked to think about it. I knew he would 6043 04:58:51.720 --> 04:58:53.840 own the name and he would market it because it 6044 04:58:53.919 --> 04:58:55.639 was his, but I would have still gotten a good 6045 04:58:55.639 --> 04:58:57.319 piece of it. He would have made money with it, 6046 04:58:57.400 --> 04:58:59.479 and maybe even more than with the Vader gimmick. Who 6047 04:58:59.520 --> 04:59:02.040 knows there have been new mastered on shirts, new mastered 6048 04:59:02.119 --> 04:59:04.560 on action figures, and just all kinds of new gimmick 6049 04:59:04.560 --> 04:59:08.360 stuff that Vader fans could buy. Dude, dude, just stop it, man, 6050 04:59:08.680 --> 04:59:09.040 stop it. 6051 04:59:09.080 --> 04:59:12.159 Everybody would have bought a single more. He's coming up 6052 04:59:12.200 --> 04:59:15.159 with this thing, ready, you know what. 6053 04:59:15.360 --> 04:59:17.240 The thing is. He's come up with this because he's 6054 04:59:17.840 --> 04:59:20.919 he's so desperate because his career didn't go so well 6055 04:59:20.959 --> 04:59:22.959 in WW that he's come up with but maybe I 6056 04:59:23.000 --> 04:59:24.400 should have done this, and I would have been better 6057 04:59:24.479 --> 04:59:27.080 exactly exactly now, you wouldn't have been You would have 6058 04:59:27.119 --> 04:59:27.720 been worse off. 6059 04:59:27.880 --> 04:59:30.520 He wants to tell himself that Vince underinvested in him 6060 04:59:30.560 --> 04:59:32.479 because he didn't take the name, and that if he 6061 04:59:32.520 --> 04:59:34.759 took the name, there would be all these opportunities that 6062 04:59:34.799 --> 04:59:37.599 would open up before No, Sir Sean would have thought 6063 04:59:37.639 --> 04:59:39.240 you were lame no matter what you did. 6064 04:59:39.360 --> 04:59:41.799 And therefore, and he was, he was. 6065 04:59:41.799 --> 04:59:42.319 Like, what do you want? 6066 04:59:42.400 --> 04:59:43.680 We were wrestling an animal? 6067 04:59:44.000 --> 04:59:47.080 Fuck that absolutely he would have been, you know, probably 6068 04:59:47.119 --> 04:59:49.479 even less enthusiastic about working with you on a staff. 6069 04:59:49.479 --> 04:59:51.799 It wouldn't even called Vader and he wasn't even going 6070 04:59:51.840 --> 04:59:54.520 to get that cachet by working with you. I'm not 6071 04:59:54.639 --> 04:59:55.680 sure why, but I didn't do it. 6072 04:59:55.799 --> 04:59:56.080 He said. 6073 04:59:56.279 --> 04:59:57.799 There are a bunch of action figures made when I 6074 04:59:57.840 --> 04:59:59.639 was Vader with the WBF, probably a dozen of them, 6075 04:59:59.680 --> 05:00:01.599 but they all trade me as I had always looked. However, 6076 05:00:01.799 --> 05:00:03.919 when Vince creates a character, it becomes his baby. He 6077 05:00:04.040 --> 05:00:06.080 loves it more. I might have had the royalties to 6078 05:00:06.159 --> 05:00:08.400 thirty or forty action figures coming in, had I let 6079 05:00:08.479 --> 05:00:11.240 him change my name and look, thirty or forty action figures, 6080 05:00:11.479 --> 05:00:13.360 who's even I mean what. 6081 05:00:13.400 --> 05:00:15.759 I mean, I don't think. I don't think even Steve 6082 05:00:15.840 --> 05:00:18.720 Austin has thirty or four and definitely not in that era. 6083 05:00:19.200 --> 05:00:20.799 But you know, he's getting he's writing this book, he's 6084 05:00:20.840 --> 05:00:22.520 getting some checks, and he's like, man, this would be 6085 05:00:22.599 --> 05:00:24.919 three times the amount. He said, no, wouldn't dude. Of course, 6086 05:00:25.080 --> 05:00:27.000 that's wrestlers, You know what I mean. It's never like, 6087 05:00:27.959 --> 05:00:29.599 it's never what it is, it's always what. 6088 05:00:29.639 --> 05:00:30.000 It could be. 6089 05:00:30.200 --> 05:00:33.360 Yeah, of course it's all exactly. In hindsight, I probably 6090 05:00:33.400 --> 05:00:35.080 should have. That was a mistake. That was just stupid 6091 05:00:35.119 --> 05:00:37.080 on my part. Maybe I should have said, yes, sir, 6092 05:00:37.439 --> 05:00:40.520 the Master down sounds just fine. Please, oh my god, 6093 05:00:40.680 --> 05:00:42.680 my contract. However, I want to see at least five 6094 05:00:42.759 --> 05:00:45.240 action figures on the market every year. Imagine that term, 6095 05:00:45.520 --> 05:00:47.720 that deal term, Vince Bilg, what are you talking about. 6096 05:00:48.000 --> 05:00:50.040 We don't have any control over that. First of all, 6097 05:00:50.080 --> 05:00:52.080 we only come out with action figures twice a year, 6098 05:00:52.200 --> 05:00:53.080 Acting Max. 6099 05:00:53.159 --> 05:00:54.919 Anyway, right now. 6100 05:00:54.799 --> 05:00:57.439 I forced three more Evader action figures on the market 6101 05:00:57.520 --> 05:00:59.880 for what And he probably would have said, you got it. 6102 05:01:00.119 --> 05:01:03.000 He wouldn't forgetting behind his idea. Mick took the mankind 6103 05:01:03.119 --> 05:01:05.119 character and look where he went. He did what they 6104 05:01:05.159 --> 05:01:07.119 asked to start and then became one of Vince's favorite. 6105 05:01:07.159 --> 05:01:09.000 Steve Austin did too. He played some character called the 6106 05:01:09.080 --> 05:01:10.680 ring Master and then also went on to what he 6107 05:01:10.799 --> 05:01:13.560 is today by dropping it. 6108 05:01:14.279 --> 05:01:17.200 Yeah, exactly, he let it go and it became great. 6109 05:01:17.720 --> 05:01:20.560 If he stuck with it, he would have no action figures. Right. 6110 05:01:20.880 --> 05:01:23.279 This again was do you remember the Jacks though that 6111 05:01:23.400 --> 05:01:24.479 had the star on the boots? 6112 05:01:26.400 --> 05:01:29.840 Remember this hole? Yes, God, yes, that's a lot to 6113 05:01:29.919 --> 05:01:30.240 deal with. 6114 05:01:31.040 --> 05:01:31.200 Yeah. 6115 05:01:31.319 --> 05:01:34.560 The first Steve Austin bone crunching was basically the ring Master. 6116 05:01:35.639 --> 05:01:35.840 YEP. 6117 05:01:36.279 --> 05:01:38.479 This again was my lack of understanding politics. 6118 05:01:38.720 --> 05:01:40.880 Did it have the weird logo on the tights too? 6119 05:01:40.919 --> 05:01:42.880 I feel like it did, didn't I don't remember that. No, 6120 05:01:43.560 --> 05:01:44.080 I think one. 6121 05:01:44.240 --> 05:01:45.799 I think they did come out with one with that, 6122 05:01:45.880 --> 05:01:47.560 but it wasn't the same one that had the stars 6123 05:01:47.599 --> 05:01:50.279 on the boots. I feel like that was just black. 6124 05:01:50.840 --> 05:01:52.840 That could be wrong, though. This again was my lack 6125 05:01:52.880 --> 05:01:55.680 of understanding politics. Not taking on the mast Don gimmick 6126 05:01:55.759 --> 05:01:57.680 may have alienated Vince and hurt my future in his 6127 05:01:57.759 --> 05:02:00.000 company to some degree before even started with the promote 6128 05:02:00.759 --> 05:02:04.520 Live and Learn? Do you have the WWF debut? 6129 05:02:04.599 --> 05:02:04.720 Here? 6130 05:02:06.360 --> 05:02:14.560 H mean, Jack here, I'll just I'll just keep going. Oh, 6131 05:02:14.639 --> 05:02:16.319 it's about halfway down. 6132 05:02:16.360 --> 05:02:17.840 It's this w W. I do have it, I do 6133 05:02:18.000 --> 05:02:20.919 have it. Go for it. My very first World Rossling 6134 05:02:21.000 --> 05:02:23.720 Entertainment appearance was as a participant in the Rumble Match. 6135 05:02:24.040 --> 05:02:26.279 I entered at number thirteen, an unlucky number for everyone 6136 05:02:26.360 --> 05:02:26.959 in attendance. 6137 05:02:28.439 --> 05:02:31.279 Okay, an lucky number. You could just say, what why 6138 05:02:31.360 --> 05:02:32.720 for everyone in attendance? What does that? 6139 05:02:33.479 --> 05:02:35.159 I mean, what did that do to any everybody watching 6140 05:02:35.200 --> 05:02:37.439 this show? I don't understand these people in the ring actually, 6141 05:02:37.560 --> 05:02:41.720 but okay, I eliminated Jake Roberts Doug Gilbert, one member 6142 05:02:41.759 --> 05:02:46.240 of the Headshrinkers. I think, yeah, they weren't in I mean, no, 6143 05:02:46.919 --> 05:02:49.479 the head Shrinkers no nothing, No, no, I mean I 6144 05:02:49.520 --> 05:02:53.360 mean Fat two was in it. Let's talk about the heads. Yeah, 6145 05:02:54.040 --> 05:02:56.759 and Savio Vega. I was then eliminated by Sean Michaels, 6146 05:02:57.040 --> 05:02:58.720 but then to come off as a real monster, I 6147 05:02:58.799 --> 05:03:01.240 re entered the ring and kicked everyone ass that I could, 6148 05:03:01.319 --> 05:03:04.319 including old HBK for revenge. I have to admit it. 6149 05:03:04.360 --> 05:03:06.639 When I went back into the ring after being eliminated, 6150 05:03:06.759 --> 05:03:10.200 I was so mean. I took some pain medication to 6151 05:03:10.279 --> 05:03:13.159 get through the pain on my shoulder Indrey, and I 6152 05:03:13.200 --> 05:03:16.040 didn't care who I steamrolled over. So wait a minute, 6153 05:03:16.200 --> 05:03:21.240 So you took pain meds and you became angrier, Well. 6154 05:03:21.119 --> 05:03:24.360 Yeah, I think the pain meds in him. Oh, I 6155 05:03:24.560 --> 05:03:26.639 didn't have to worry about hurting the arm, so we 6156 05:03:26.720 --> 05:03:27.639 just started going next. 6157 05:03:27.639 --> 05:03:29.880 Except you do have to worry about hurting the arm, 6158 05:03:29.880 --> 05:03:32.799 because it doesn't heal your pain, It just numbs your pain. 6159 05:03:35.200 --> 05:03:37.479 I was still four hundred pounds and I made good 6160 05:03:37.560 --> 05:03:40.119 and sure that everyone knew just who I was. My 6161 05:03:40.200 --> 05:03:42.639 shoulder should have been on fire the whole time, but 6162 05:03:42.759 --> 05:03:45.880 the pills blocked it. Let's go. I feared that I 6163 05:03:46.000 --> 05:03:48.599 was going to do further damage, but I couldn't feel it. 6164 05:03:49.200 --> 05:03:50.720 So when you see Vader on the show, he is 6165 05:03:50.880 --> 05:03:52.000 pilled up to the max. 6166 05:03:52.240 --> 05:03:54.479 Yeah, all right. I knew I wasn't going to be 6167 05:03:54.599 --> 05:03:56.959 around long, however, so I gave it all my all. 6168 05:03:57.319 --> 05:03:59.520 Bitsic Man was totally cool to how we let me 6169 05:03:59.599 --> 05:04:01.959 go on to They had me written off in the 6170 05:04:02.000 --> 05:04:05.200 best way to make me continue to look bad and strong. 6171 05:04:05.680 --> 05:04:08.840 I was written off by suspension rather than an injury 6172 05:04:08.880 --> 05:04:11.919 angle coming in that would have made me look weak. 6173 05:04:12.119 --> 05:04:14.319 They had me defeat Savio Vega on the following One 6174 05:04:14.360 --> 05:04:16.759 Night Raw. Then I unable to calm me down. W 6175 05:04:17.040 --> 05:04:20.240 officials became my next victims as I plowed through whoever 6176 05:04:20.319 --> 05:04:24.119 got in my path like an angry bull. Eventually, W 6177 05:04:24.439 --> 05:04:27.119 President grillamnd soon stepped in. He demanded that I stopped 6178 05:04:27.439 --> 05:04:30.080 my attack, and he too received a fresh Vader bomb 6179 05:04:30.119 --> 05:04:33.080 for his peacekeeping efforts. As a result, Vader was suspended 6180 05:04:33.119 --> 05:04:35.680 in the story, while in real life, Leon White was 6181 05:04:35.680 --> 05:04:38.360 off to get a much needed shoulder surgery. It all 6182 05:04:38.439 --> 05:04:41.479 happened so fast. The very next day after the gorillamn 6183 05:04:41.599 --> 05:04:43.959 soon angle I was off to the hospital. My agent 6184 05:04:44.040 --> 05:04:46.319 agreed for me to come back in ninety days, when 6185 05:04:46.360 --> 05:04:50.319 in reality I probably needed more like ten months to recover. 6186 05:04:51.159 --> 05:04:53.799 Even though that was what was in my contract, didn't happen. 6187 05:04:54.319 --> 05:04:56.240 When I came out of surgery. I couldn't bench press 6188 05:04:56.279 --> 05:04:58.479 one hundred pounds. I couldn't do a push up. I 6189 05:04:58.520 --> 05:05:01.479 couldn't I can't raise arm my hand over my head 6190 05:05:01.560 --> 05:05:03.439 yet in the ring yet him in the ring with 6191 05:05:03.520 --> 05:05:06.799 the WE. It was just too early. My whole first 6192 05:05:06.959 --> 05:05:09.279 year in the WWE. They had a monster of a 6193 05:05:09.360 --> 05:05:12.799 guy who could usually bench press six hundred pounds who 6194 05:05:12.840 --> 05:05:18.799 had to fake it well, I mean, Leon, I mean, 6195 05:05:18.919 --> 05:05:22.240 isn't that the whole fucking job? Man, Come on, dude, 6196 05:05:23.840 --> 05:05:28.799 it's all phony. If I had you are a phony Okay, 6197 05:05:29.119 --> 05:05:31.439 remember that, you're not a real athlete working title for 6198 05:05:31.520 --> 05:05:36.840 the book. You're not a real athlete, a phony man 6199 05:05:36.919 --> 05:05:37.439 named Vader. 6200 05:05:37.880 --> 05:05:40.159 Oh shit, oh shit. 6201 05:05:41.360 --> 05:05:43.439 If I had had the ten months recovery time like 6202 05:05:43.520 --> 05:05:45.439 we had talked about, it may have been a different story. 6203 05:05:45.919 --> 05:05:47.520 I mean, I think that would have been bad for him, though, 6204 05:05:47.560 --> 05:05:49.520 Like to be suspended for ten months, that seems. 6205 05:05:49.279 --> 05:05:50.840 Like, yeah, that wouldn't have worked out at all. By 6206 05:05:50.840 --> 05:05:54.279 the time he came back, they would be like, so moved. 6207 05:05:54.080 --> 05:06:00.520 On, Yeah exactly, I mean that would have been fucking October. Hey, 6208 05:06:00.599 --> 05:06:01.520 maybe maybe he could have. 6209 05:06:02.040 --> 05:06:03.919 Maybe he wouldn't have stepped on land mines as quickly 6210 05:06:03.919 --> 05:06:05.880 as he did on it. Maybe, yeah, but you know, 6211 05:06:06.759 --> 05:06:09.319 generally speaking, it's not good. Maybe for him it will worked, 6212 05:06:09.360 --> 05:06:15.759 but yeah, I don't know. Like we talked about, it 6213 05:06:15.799 --> 05:06:16.759 may have been a different story. 6214 05:06:16.840 --> 05:06:20.119 I may not have had that that fan come up 6215 05:06:20.159 --> 05:06:22.639 to me at an appearance saying he was disappointed on 6216 05:06:22.720 --> 05:06:24.479 how they used me in the WV. If all of 6217 05:06:24.479 --> 05:06:26.240 a sudden I came back to the WV after ten 6218 05:06:26.279 --> 05:06:28.919 months a health evader at four hundred pounds, things may 6219 05:06:28.959 --> 05:06:31.880 have been different. But instead of four hundre pounds with 6220 05:06:31.919 --> 05:06:34.080 a lot of muscle and power, I was three seventy pounds, 6221 05:06:34.119 --> 05:06:37.479 three hundred and seventy pounds of fat. Yes, at a 6222 05:06:37.560 --> 05:06:39.639 fat three seventy I wasn't as big where I was 6223 05:06:40.000 --> 05:06:44.119 where I was supposed to be big. So it was 6224 05:06:44.200 --> 05:06:48.319 a bad time physically in my career. My agent went 6225 05:06:48.360 --> 05:06:51.040 against my wishes and agreed for my return way too 6226 05:06:51.400 --> 05:06:53.759 soon after the surgery, and the ninety days were up. 6227 05:06:53.840 --> 05:06:56.080 I continued to have to fight the office over my 6228 05:06:56.159 --> 05:06:59.880 contractual return that the Asian agreed to. I remember telling 6229 05:07:00.599 --> 05:07:02.919 I can't even do a push up, yet I was 6230 05:07:02.959 --> 05:07:06.319 scheduled to do a match with Yokozuna, someone who weighed 6231 05:07:06.400 --> 05:07:09.919 even more than I did. You don't understand I can't 6232 05:07:09.959 --> 05:07:14.919 physically do it. You look fine, right, exactly? I don't understand. 6233 05:07:15.840 --> 05:07:19.599 You're not in a real athlete leon, all right, you 6234 05:07:19.720 --> 05:07:21.479 fake fight. That's what we do. When we fake fight. 6235 05:07:21.599 --> 05:07:23.599 You're not You're not really doing feats of it. 6236 05:07:23.680 --> 05:07:26.599 Letters, Liam, I'm standing here telling you you can do it, 6237 05:07:28.240 --> 05:07:28.599 and if I. 6238 05:07:28.639 --> 05:07:31.080 Say you can do it, it means I'm medically clearing 6239 05:07:31.159 --> 05:07:32.479 you to do it. 6240 05:07:32.599 --> 05:07:34.400 Right, You don't understand when I say you can do it, 6241 05:07:34.520 --> 05:07:35.360 that means you can do it. 6242 05:07:35.720 --> 05:07:37.639 That's if I say you can do it, it means 6243 05:07:38.080 --> 05:07:41.599 you have to do it. There's no way about it. 6244 05:07:42.520 --> 05:07:47.279 Did I coerce your agent into changing your return date? Yes? 6245 05:07:47.400 --> 05:07:49.759 I did. Did he sign it? 6246 05:07:50.000 --> 05:07:50.200 Yes? 6247 05:07:50.240 --> 05:07:50.520 He did? 6248 05:07:51.159 --> 05:07:57.000 Am I making you wrestle entertained earlier than expected? Yes? 6249 05:07:57.119 --> 05:07:57.360 I am. 6250 05:07:57.919 --> 05:07:59.720 Do I care that you're fully rehabbed? 6251 05:07:59.799 --> 05:07:59.840 No? 6252 05:08:00.159 --> 05:08:00.439 I do not. 6253 05:08:03.400 --> 05:08:07.520 I am paying you not to sit at home and 6254 05:08:07.720 --> 05:08:11.319 eat and rehab. I am paying you to get in 6255 05:08:11.400 --> 05:08:16.880 the ring and put a smile on my ass so 6256 05:08:17.000 --> 05:08:20.880 you can get your fat ass in the ring. Flippityflop, 6257 05:08:21.439 --> 05:08:24.479 do your fucking moon salts, jump around like a bitch 6258 05:08:25.799 --> 05:08:30.599 injure yourself further. I don't care, but I'm here to 6259 05:08:30.639 --> 05:08:35.360 make money off of your pain. The amount the skuy 6260 05:08:35.639 --> 05:08:39.919 ate while recooping that shoulder. Listen, I don't care if 6261 05:08:39.919 --> 05:08:43.720 you eat ten big Macs, three whoppers, and a fucking 6262 05:08:44.439 --> 05:08:49.439 live turkey in one sitting. You'll get your ass in 6263 05:08:49.479 --> 05:08:53.000 the ring. You'll get to work on time. You'll have 6264 05:08:53.040 --> 05:08:54.759 as long of a match as I say. You will 6265 05:08:55.000 --> 05:08:58.119 get up top. You'll get up top, you'll moon salt 6266 05:08:58.200 --> 05:09:01.560 to the floor. You'll land an your face, you'll miss, 6267 05:09:02.080 --> 05:09:04.720 You'll go neck first on the little fucking on the 6268 05:09:04.759 --> 05:09:05.959 fucking guardrails. 6269 05:09:06.119 --> 05:09:08.439 Enough about Vince talking to Sean before the Saudi Arabia 6270 05:09:08.560 --> 05:09:09.200 comeback match. 6271 05:09:10.919 --> 05:09:13.360 You'll do everything I say, and you'll do it with 6272 05:09:13.439 --> 05:09:15.919 a smile on your face because you're putting a smile 6273 05:09:16.000 --> 05:09:21.439 on my ass. I'll quit your bitching, get your fat 6274 05:09:21.479 --> 05:09:26.240 ass out there and kill yourself for entertainment. 6275 05:09:28.880 --> 05:09:30.279 And with that, yeah, mcmah. 6276 05:09:32.119 --> 05:09:36.799 And with that, I believe it's time for the nineteen 6277 05:09:36.840 --> 05:09:38.240 ninety six Royal Rubble death doll. 6278 05:09:38.639 --> 05:09:39.119 There it is. 6279 05:09:41.599 --> 05:09:46.200 Oh shit, um, oh my god. I had it right here. 6280 05:09:46.400 --> 05:09:49.799 It's all where are you for whom the death tolls? 6281 05:09:50.439 --> 05:09:54.599 I know, uh, I'll get it for the dive. I 6282 05:09:54.639 --> 05:09:56.520 don't know where it is. I had it right here. Problem, 6283 05:09:56.639 --> 05:09:59.360 No problem. Well we'll leave you with baited breath because 6284 05:09:59.360 --> 05:10:02.000 it's got to be a li one. I mean, with 6285 05:10:02.040 --> 05:10:08.919 the whole rumble match thirty participants and indeed, Vader in 6286 05:10:09.040 --> 05:10:11.880 the book saying that Cornett acted is a great mouthpiece 6287 05:10:11.919 --> 05:10:13.639 for him in his absence, and while he wasn't there, 6288 05:10:13.720 --> 05:10:16.520 Cornett kept his name alive on television and campaigned for 6289 05:10:16.680 --> 05:10:19.919 his reinstatement. But yeah, come the February eighteenth, in Your 6290 05:10:19.959 --> 05:10:23.599 House Show, he returned. Yokozuna, who had recently left camp 6291 05:10:23.599 --> 05:10:25.560 of Cornett, was about to pin the British Bulldog when 6292 05:10:25.639 --> 05:10:29.040 Vader attacked him, handcuffed him and beat his ass with 6293 05:10:29.200 --> 05:10:32.959 the one arm that was working. So we're going to 6294 05:10:33.040 --> 05:10:36.000 hit that deep dive, the latest deep dive in here. Well, 6295 05:10:36.159 --> 05:10:38.200 it used to be your WW network archive and is 6296 05:10:38.799 --> 05:10:41.400 rapidly not becoming anything but your own personal archive if 6297 05:10:41.400 --> 05:10:42.000 you're lucky. 6298 05:10:41.959 --> 05:10:43.799 That's really going to be they It's going to become 6299 05:10:43.840 --> 05:10:45.040 the Lapse fan archive. 6300 05:10:45.159 --> 05:10:48.360 Really, So let's get the countdown clock ready and let's 6301 05:10:48.400 --> 05:10:51.919 prepare for one of the few royal rumbles left that 6302 05:10:52.000 --> 05:10:55.000 we have yet to dive here on the show. It's 6303 05:10:55.040 --> 05:10:58.599 the nineteen ninety six installment from Fresno, California. Sean Michaels 6304 05:10:58.680 --> 05:11:01.400 is about to punch his ticket to his first World 6305 05:11:01.479 --> 05:11:04.520 Championship win at WrestleMania twelve. On the other side of 6306 05:11:04.599 --> 05:11:06.439 this break and so much more to come. It's that 6307 05:11:06.599 --> 05:11:07.279 fucking cast