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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice,

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mixing some vodka. It's call it a podcast from the

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Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by

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Victor Chrysler Dots Gee Ram, It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on.

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Thank you for telling a friend. That's how we spread

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the word about the pirate ship. My friends, that opening

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statement is a little more true for some people today. Right.

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I see you, I see you, I got your messages.

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I know what's happening. I wanted to. This is a

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little different episode because I had something I wanted to

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to talk about, and a friend of mine will be

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joining me a little bit later. But there's all kinds

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of shit that just just I blew up. And of

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course I can't say a whole lot of what I

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knew and when I knew it. But just to my

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my friend p y T, I've been deleting messages. I

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just want you to know. Always tell me I have

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too many messages on my phone. I haven't answered all

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of them, but I see you out there. Look, there

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has been a change in the local radio landscape. Brother

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Weez was supposed to wait, I guess till noon today

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or something. I can't sit on the information like this

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that it's going to be his last show in ninety

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five one, and the frequency that he's on, what people

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have been I know you're I know you want to

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hear what I have to say about it. I know

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you do, and I and I know in particular what

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you want me to say. And I'm gonna surprise you

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because I'm not going to say what you want me

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to say. I will say this. Brother We's was an

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iconic talent, and when I happened to be part of

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his show, which was in the early two thousands, it

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was some of the most fun times in radio I

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ever had. I laughed harder. I worked really hard, but

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I laughed harder, and we did some real cool stuff.

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And I will always value that time. And I think

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he is a very warm and genuine person, and I

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think he has been a part of people's lives for

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a long time. And so to know that it was

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his last show today, I think for a lot of people,

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and myself included, you know rough, Okay, so what does

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that mean? And there are other changes to the station.

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You got to remember that everything is a business, right,

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So if the business was working, the change wouldn't happened.

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A business's only job is to make money. If you're

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not making money, then you got to make a change.

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And so things stick around because they're viable, right, they

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make money. So if people are no longer in certain positions,

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and look, we us a side. I mean it's been

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forty something years. I don't think he needs to work.

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I think it was a love of doing this. But

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I that I know nothing about, so I please don't

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twist this in any way, but I would say that

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you know, if you're if you're hearing other people and

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changes and stuff, if it were working, they'd be there.

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It wasn't they're not making money. It didn't work. It

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didn't work, okay, So that that's why there's a change.

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It's at its core, it's business. Business has no feelings.

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I say that all the time. You and I think

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feelings are very important because, right you hear a song,

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it brings you back to a certain time in your life.

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A memory is something like that, right, So there's a

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feeling associated with that. And I think that that's why

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a lot of times we get attached and we think

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this is. Yeah, it feels shitty, but it's a change

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made by the people who make money on the other

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side of that. I don't like this for radio. I

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don't I think radio. I'm in the podcast world now

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and I'm about to tell you something else, something else

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that has that I think will surprise a lot of people,

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but shouldn't. The text won't stop coming. I'm telling you

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just now. I believe that radio is still a very

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viable medium if you did it at the local level.

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a viable medium at a local level is with spoken word,

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because it's a place for people to come together, share

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ideas is and have a discussion from the privacy sort

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of their of their car. They're alone, right, You know,

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there's different things in radio where you would see, you know,

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if you work in an office, right and they have

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the radio on, it might be playing a soft rock

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station because it's a little more palpable for everybody around.

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But when you get in your car, you get to

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choose your right, and that's discretionary listening. And you would see,

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like in the summertime, discretionary listening is op right because

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people have more free time, and they're outside and they're

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on their own, and that's when discretionary listening is up,

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and so that's actually a good time to see, you know.

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Do people choose to listen to you? You know, And

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that's why you'll hear some stations say they're the artwork

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station whatever. But I don't like this. I think local talent,

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local voices, people who drive the streets you drive, are

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very important to have on the radio. And I believe

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there's that will continue to some extent. And I will

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say that I was part of the problem. When I

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was in radio. I was on eighty fucking rock stations

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around the country talking to des Moines, Iowa. I've never

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been well. I was once, but you know what I mean?

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Or or has anybody been to Brian, Texas? I haven't

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parts of Florida. I know, Alaska, I haven't been there.

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I was on the radio there right in. What they

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would do is they would send you liners so you

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could talk about you would have like a local break

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for them, and they would run it in between songs

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and it was called liner or whatever, and it would

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just shoot it into the system. It's great. It's a

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way for a corporation to save money. It is, and

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it's kind of cool to be asked to be part

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of that, right there's only a handful of people that

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they asked to do it, but it's still part of

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the problem. And that's where I don't like days like today.

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I don't like when I see this change in radio

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because you know, to go back to music or whatever.

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different and so the real thing, the one difference you

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can have is your voice or the voice of the

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of the community, the voice of the people. And that

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sort of brings me to something else, you know. I

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learned early on when I was in radio one, I

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got bored very quickly playing music. I did, uh. So

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that's why when I was like doing overnights, I just

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open up the phones and let people talk to me.

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And I learned early that the one thing people are

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striving for and looking for in this world is a

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connection people. Every one of us, not people, every one

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of us, me, you, your best friend, your mom, your dad,

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your kid. Everybody wants to know they matter, they matter.

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have an opinion and they want to be heard. And

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sometimes I think this device because we can be on

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it on social media, we can find our tribe, and

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our opinions now become our belief and we don't accept

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other things. Where I think with radio was it drew

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from a bigger pot and you could have different discussions

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with people you know and don't forget too like tone

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gets lost. You read a text in the tone of

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the mood you're in. So someone could write you a

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message and they could be very happy or meaning, having

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no malice behind it. But the way you read the

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message is you understand you're applying your emotions to it.

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about radio, is that you could have people come together

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and have a discussion and be heard. And I love

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I did, But I didn't care to see the girls.

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I was more fatascinated sitting at the bar talking to

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the strippers or the other patrons. What is it about

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this place that brings you here? What do you think

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you're going to get by seeing someone who you'll never

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probably have next to you in bed, get naked. It

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just didn't make any sense to me. However, I was

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curious as to why it made sense to you. And

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that has been the biggest thing for me is the

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absolute curiosity of human beings. Curiosity of everybody's existence is different.

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times we cover up pain in things. I listened to

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a podcast today and I wish I had actually taken

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some notes and I'll bring it up when my friend

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comes in this podcast. But it was the guy basically

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said he worked with troubled youth and a lot of

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kids who were in gangs, and he was like, what's

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the one thing I could say to them? And he said,

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you have an inner genius. Yes, every one of us

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has an ener genius and a calling and a creativity.

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not tuned into it. Maybe it's buried under all kinds

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of pain and things like that. So because of radio

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and discovering that this curiosity of people and loving to

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be able to talk to people and share ideas and

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form opinions and hear what other people have to say,

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and I learned a lot from listeners on the radio.

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I really truly did, and I've learned a lot from

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people interacting with this podcast that we've been doing for

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the past two years. I had an opportunity that came

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out of the oblivion. I don't know that anything ever

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comes out of the blue, but sort of out of

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the oblivion to go back and get my masters in

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mental health counseling. There's a program that has started right

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now that New York State pays for the entire thing

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if you graduate by the spring of twenty twenty seven,

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and it's at Saint John Fisher University, which is my

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alma mater, and I have decided to do that. So

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I'm going back for a master's in mental health counseling.

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that's like a forty five degree ninety degree angle on

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what you're doing in life. It's really not or a

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one to eighty. It's not the curiosity of people bringing

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people together, talking, helping people be heard and understood and

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and bring that Those were always the things that that

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meant a lot to me. So when I hear about

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local radio sort of losing a little bit of that,

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I don't like it. I don't. I don't like it

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in any way. There's no You're not going to see

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me cheering or a plotting today in any way. I

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think that part sucks. But because of my curiosity and

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this opportunity, I am going back. I started just the

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other day and I'll go to classes again tonight. It

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is not going to be easy. It's a challenge. I

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like to think that we should all continue to learn

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and challenge ourselves and if there's something out there for you,

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fucking grab it with both hands and go. Who knows

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where this will take me? Who knows what could happen

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from it? I don't know. We're not gonna stop doing

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the podcast. That'll continue, so you know that that will

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There'll be there'll be episodes every day. Bill Lightenman will

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start picking up and it's gonna be It's gonna be

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a lot for me. But okay, I kind of like that.

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That's when I'm at my vest, you know what I mean.

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I think this is this could be pretty awesome. But

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going back to school, I'll tell you what, it's a

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little bit overwhelming, right, It's a little bit overwhelming. I'm

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fifty four years old, as my friend Pyit reminded me

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you're fifty four. Yes I am, but not in a

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negative way. I think it was just one of these hey,

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just you know, make sure you're making a right decision.

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and you know, I've talked a lot and it's still

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kind of fresh.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: My dad died a little over a month ago. My

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dad is a Saint John Fisher and Lump. And I'll

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wrap up this part of the podcast with this story.

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So my dad, I'm gonna just tell it because I

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don't know if he were alive, if I would, because

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he would listen, and I don't, And I never wanted

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to offend him. I found this story to be heartwarming

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and delightful. I'm not so sure that he would. I

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really don't. So here is the thing. My dad was

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apparently in the seminary to studying to be a priest,

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and I think unceremoniously got kicked out. Allegedly he had

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put a lit cigarette in a statue of the Virgin

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Mary's hands. His story, not mine, brought somebody named Peaches

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to Parents' knight whatever. They kind of go, okay, this

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isn't for you, But he said he learned to right

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really well there and the man was also a bit

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of a genius, and from there he was encouraged to

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apply to college. Now when he's doing this, it's like

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mid August, late August of I don't even know, nineteen

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sixty something, and all the colleges he applied to were

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accepting him, but they were accepting him to start in

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the second semester, not the first semester. And one of

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the priests my dad was working at a bank, goes,

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if you don't leave Brooklyn now, you're never going to

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leave because you'll meet a girl, You'll wind up staying,

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You'll fall in love, There'll be something here that's going

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to hold you. If you go right now, your life's

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going to be very different. The only place that accepted

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my dad for the fall admission was Saint John Fisher

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in Rochester, New York, place my dad had never been.

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He got on a plane, packed a suitcase, flew up

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here and started attending Fisher and never looked back. His parents,

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my grandparents, drove his things up to him a couple

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weeks later. Imagine that now he was a little bit older.

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I think he was twenty twenty one when he did this,

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but still you're young, right, sight unseen, Like just got

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on the plane and went all right, let's go. So

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I'm talking to my brother, and my brother I said

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to him, I'm gonna go do this thing. And he

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said to me, yeah, I think it's great. I think

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it's awesome that you're gonna get a master's or work

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toward a master's. And who knows, right, maybe I won't

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do it, maybe I won't be able to hack it.

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And he said, it's kind of funny. It happened sort

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of the same way as it did with Dad at Fisher.

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like that last minute, a spot opens up. It's completely

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taken care of by the state. If you do all

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the required stuff, you can get in there and boom.

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Kind of the same way. So in a way, maybe

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it's the hand of my dad pushing it. I don't know,

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but it's not that far off the beaten path of

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what I've done here with the podcast and talking to people,

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and certainly will help things like The Lightenment, which is

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another podcast. And then you have just the idea of

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radio and bringing people together. It's amazing to me how

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sort of synchronistic, synchronistic let me try that again. How

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syncratic all of this is. I don't even know if

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that's the word, but how all this has come together.

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So in the next segment, my friend rob Rice, who

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is the head of the mental health department at Saint

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John Fisher University, will be joining us to talk a

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little bit more about that some of the opportunities, and

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we may talk about some things like the calling right,

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the calling that people have your energenius, your soul right.

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It's there and it's there for everybody. So thank you

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Speaker 4: Recorder in a fountain means that people still have dreams

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and it's soaking in a parking means that people come thing.

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Come on now, bo, don't be fae to start to

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sweed on your stands better than recred on your heart.

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Speaker 5: There's a powerful line right there, right literally a little

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sweat and yeah, face no better time from Dylan.

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Speaker 2: Gossip is the name of the artist, right, Is that

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my saying that? Right? You got it? Yeah? Uh? Doctor

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Rob Rice from Saint John Fisher University, I'm just getting

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the inframe a little bit better. There we go. So

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I I did the first part of the podcast solo.

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I have somebody who keeps telling me I need to

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do some solo podcasts once in a while, and I'm

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I'm reticent to do that. I don't know, because I go,

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who just wants to hear your babble?

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a good idea. Yeah, I h

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I think you can do that.

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is I got. I very rarely listen to podcasts, and

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I did listen to one today where there was somebody

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like way off Mike asking guy a question and the

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name of the pot I forget the name of the

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guy who was doing it, but it was really about

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soul and inner calling and that sort of thing. And

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so this person and I wish I had taken some notes,

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and I meant to do that, and I got caught

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up with things today. But he was talking about when

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he went and so what this guy was saying was

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that when he started to he realized he was a storyteller,

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and as a storyteller, he had something happen to him

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as a child where he was in New York city

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and there was gangs in the school and some one

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of his friends took something from these gangs, and these

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guys cornered him in the bathroom, had them on the

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floor and had had knives out, and he goes, I

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really think, like my ego kind of left my body

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and when I don't want to watch this bloody mess.

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and he said it was like they it just made

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everything go away, and he goes, that's when I realized

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I was more of a storyteller. And then he went

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on to work with gangs later on, and he said,

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what's the one thing that I could say to make

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an impact to any young person who it would be

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at risk right and at risk youth. And what he

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said was, you have a genius inside of you. You

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have the genius, a genius, soul a calling and they're

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calling and he goes and everybody would go, yeah, I

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do I have these ideas. I have this thing. And

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I often have thought that so many times people are

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not feel like they're not heard or they have a

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great idea, but they've been somehow through trauma. And that's

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what this guy was saying, Like I get. He goes,

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I tell the you know, the young people. I tell

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the young people in gangs, the at risk youth this

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and they all go, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes. I

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go out and I speak somewhere and he goes, and

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I get a pissed off sixty five year old the

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audience going, I don't about my calling? What's my inner calling?

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I haven't And he said, you know, there's something in

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you that is just driving that will always come out,

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but it might be buried beneath trauma. It might be

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buried beneath rubble. This had me thinking a whole bunch

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of things. But I've already said that I am going

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back to Saint John Fisher University to get my master's

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degree in mental health counseling. And I will tell you that.

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Like it's a little intimidating because I don't think I

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know the what is it? The A D, what's the

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role APA? The APA? Way to write? Like, I don't

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know how to do that.

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Speaker 3: So I mentioned that that was the one thing that

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he thought you might be working.

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Speaker 2: See that, because I think my face when I.

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Speaker 6: Asked him how the night when he said, great, Bill

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was really enthusiastic.

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Speaker 3: He said, I think he's nervous about APA.

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Speaker 2: Well, APA only because it's academic writing, and so that

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would be a little more than right the casual things

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or the more I think, I I currently right as

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I speak, and you know that way it's a little

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more relatable. But I think there's ways you have to

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learn it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's called Purdue Owl. You go to the Purdue

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Owl and they give you the guidelines. It's really straightforward.

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And then you know, between you and I, AI helps.

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Speaker 3: A lot too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I figured that I wasn't going to.

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Speaker 3: Say anything you and I.

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Speaker 2: To this, but it was it was all this. So

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I also said, and and this was a weird thing

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that this came about very very quickly. Uh. And I

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say that things don't come out of the blue. I

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think they come out of the oblivion, like you're sort

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of oblivious to this, and what do you do? And

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the more I thought about it, and especially after hearing

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this podcast that I took a three mile walk this

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morning and listened to it, and I I started to think, Wow,

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you know, over the years on radio I talked about

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being molested, right, and I don't know that I've ever

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really dealt with it. But I just thought talking about

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it would be good, and it came up. And this

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is a weird day, right because locally radio Hall of

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Famer Brother Weez announced that he is this is going

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to be his last show on Radio ninety five to one,

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where he's working now, but he was out at the

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time living with cancer. So I'm producing his show. So

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I'm in there and at the time, I remember there

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was a comic in there and Tommy's given John Detulio

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a bunch of shit because he won't go out. And

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John's like, unless it's family, we don't allow anybody but

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family to sit with the kids, okay, And so I

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said something to the effect of you know, because John's like, yeah,

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it was only family, and I went, well, even people

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who are really close to you, bad things can happen.

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And I said, we had somebody who was really close

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to our family and I go in the babysitter molested

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me and I just blurted it out. That was the

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first time on the radio, and I think that, like

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the room, it was like a needle going across a record.

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And then I continue to talk about it over the years,

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and even when and did something where I was on

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a panel at Pavona talking about the different things that

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Pavona does. And I look over and there's somebody who

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I went to college with on the panel, and I

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had no idea, and I don't think she didn't have

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any idea. And these were things that you just didn't

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really talk about. And the more I talked about it,

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so I kind of thought, while I'm dealing with it.

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But here's my point with this. I can't tell you

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the number of letters and emails that I would receive

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from men who would say to me, thank you so

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much for saying that happened to you and showing that

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you can kind of continue on. And one guy wrote

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me how he was going to kill himself and he

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was so upset and it was really this, that and

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the other thing, and you know, no one believed them,

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and it was just amazing, and I thought, wow, so

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all this stuff seems to just line up, like the

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mental health counseling, And I'm like, yeah, and I go,

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even if you at some point were uh, just able

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to help somebody in that situation, really deal with that,

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because it does it does screw you up.

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Speaker 6: And I've wondered if that might be one of the

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directions that you go. I've been since you know, this

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has all come about so quickly. We've Yeah, was three

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days ago that the decided. Yeah, and uh for us too.

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It was a unique situation. Like you said, there's a

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lot of synchronicity. We had uh, full class, we had,

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00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,079
the program was full. We had one student withdraw. We

476
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,400
had a weight list, but the wait list evaporated because

477
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,599
started ye and so we kind of miraculously had this

478
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,440
space available.

479
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

480
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,559
Speaker 6: You know there's the program through FLIPS, the CPT program

481
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,119
that you know, helping with with students just coming in

482
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,240
this year. Uh, and so we were able to get

483
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,799
you interviewed quick, get your application taken care of quick.

484
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,759
And I've been thinking NonStop about kind of what you're

485
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:12,440
gonna do with this. I can't wait to see. I'm

486
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,640
I'm you know, I have Fraser running through my mind.

487
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,680
I have I can imagine something with comedy and mental health.

488
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,839
There's so much research right now that looks.

489
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,279
Speaker 2: At Yeah, you sent me the article. Guess what I

490
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:26,640
haven't done. I haven't read it yet.

491
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect you to.

492
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: I did it. No, I do want to read it.

493
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
It's one of these things where like, you know, yesterday

494
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,640
was the first day of school for Jamison, and then

495
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,440
he was driving me nuts when he came home because

496
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,079
he wants this certain book bag and it's some kind

497
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:45,640
of special splash painting. Yeah, listen in my mind. And

498
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,200
then he's screaming in the store. He loves to do

499
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,079
this once in a while. And this is where I go,

500
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:55,279
there's like, no respect. But I've lost control, rob, I

501
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,920
have lost total control. He's screaming. This guy's here made

502
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,559
fourteen year old girl, and he thinks it's so funny.

503
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,119
And I'm like, I, you know.

504
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: This might not help.

505
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,279
Speaker 6: I haven't met many psychologists kids who aren't a little

506
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:07,839
bit messed up.

507
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: But he's so funny and stuff, and I there's a

508
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,079
part of me that goes, that's hilarious. I mean it's

509
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,200
so hilarious because it's it's so uncomfortable, right, you would

510
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720
just never do it. You would say, that's one of

511
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,680
those things, you say, how funny would this be to do?

512
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Could you imagine how they would react? And then nobody

513
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,559
does it. This idiot does it, and he's like.

514
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 6: Me in that sense, Andy does it with you, which

515
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,759
is like it's kind of beautiful that he feels that

516
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,759
you have that relationship with him where he can do

517
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:39,359
that kind of thing.

518
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: I think that there's something to that.

519
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,319
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well I'm glad you said that because

520
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,640
I was like so annoyed yesterday. I was, and then

521
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,480
at one point he said to me, listen, I'm really sorry.

522
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,440
I feel like I'm getting under your skin a little bit.

523
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,440
And I said, well, I have a lot of things

524
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,680
on my mind and I'm trying to make everything, you know,

525
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,400
balance out here and that whatever, it is.

526
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: A perfect process.

527
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 6: You came over to my house for the fire Saturday night,

528
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,400
and my kids were I had a kid with friends

529
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,559
over jumping in the trampoline on top of pool floats.

530
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:11,519
Speaker 3: Yeah it was, but I loved it.

531
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:12,599
Speaker 2: I thought that was so cool.

532
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's nobody got hurt, right, cool?

533
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:17,759
Speaker 2: Right? It was like, That's what I didn't say to you.

534
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:19,880
I go, I would probably twist anicle doing that, but

535
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,559
that no big deal. But that I could totally see

536
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,960
as a kid. Now, see, I would have taken at

537
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,880
one step further if I could have as a kid, uh,

538
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,440
because we did have a trampoline, but we didn't have

539
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,799
the sides on it. When I was grown up.

540
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: They don't think they even made it.

541
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,319
Speaker 2: It was just yeah, I don't know. So this was more.

542
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,119
I think I was already at at Fisher and my

543
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,480
parents got a trampoline from my brother and sister. And

544
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,200
when I would come home, I would jump off the

545
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,799
railing of the deck and it was a good not

546
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,200
ten feet but probably like somewhere between six and eight

547
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,119
feet away, and I would do a belly flop on

548
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400
it and then flip over in the air. And if

549
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,119
I knew I could have put a pool raft on there,

550
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:01,640
I would have tried to pop it. And seets like

551
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,559
those are the things where I go. I was because

552
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:07,240
I do go to therapy and I've talked about that

553
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:08,960
and you know who I see, and I said to

554
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,559
her today, I go there are things like that where

555
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:15,480
people will go I would never do that. That would scare

556
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,839
the shit out of me, like you know, driving a

557
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,559
car real fast or doing exactly that, jumping off the

558
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:24,519
thing onto that doesn't scare me. But there's some interpersonal

559
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,759
things that man, I get like, I can't do it.

560
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,400
I just can't do it. Yeah, But I am excited

561
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,599
about this and I think it's going to be great.

562
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be fantastic. I'm excited to

563
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,279
work with you. As I said before, I've been my

564
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,480
mind's going down stop with kind of where you're going

565
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,279
to take this. I'm excited to have you in class

566
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,440
as I As I told you there's you're actually but

567
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,200
maybe the fourth oldest in this incoming class, so you're

568
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,880
not We've got several non traditional we call them students

569
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400
right now, and I'd love to see it typically. You know,

570
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,079
it's so helpful to the other students in the class too.

571
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:06,359
And I've got a seventy twenty three year old emails

572
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,640
in these classes, and so when you have drop a

573
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,880
couple of non traditional students in there, it improves their

574
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,079
learning experience. I feel like everyone learns from each other.

575
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,720
I love teaching classes when I've got at least a

576
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,960
couple of non traditional.

577
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,039
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, so far. I mean, look, it was

578
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,039
day one, right, so I'm still sort of getting my

579
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,839
sea legs about me. But I was worried about the

580
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,440
writing process. I hear something like a seven to ten

581
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200
page paper and a twenty minute video thing, and I go, oh,

582
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,319
my god, kid, what am I? What am I doing?

583
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:41,079
And then I thought, well, I always believed, and I

584
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,240
think this. There are some other things here, but I

585
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,480
always believed you could eat a buick if I ground

586
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,079
up a little bit and put it on your cereal

587
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,640
every day, you know what I mean, And and not

588
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,279
that you want to.

589
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,039
Speaker 3: We probably do over a lifetime and some kind of plastic.

590
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm certain of it. I'm so certain of it. And

591
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,799
so I I just thought, Okay, you you've got to

592
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,720
You've got to do what you're not good at. Like

593
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,839
in college, I would wait till the last minute. I mean,

594
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,880
I remember, I'll never forget again. A little reference to WIZ.

595
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,640
I was up writing a paper for my philosophy class,

596
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,839
and I was up all night, and it was I

597
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,480
had a typewriter, but I had an electric typewriter. But

598
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,720
you know, it's before computer really, and that's how all

599
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,920
I am. And I'm listening to Wee's and that was

600
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,759
the day that Sam Kennison had died, and I thought, wow,

601
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:33,640
So that sort of made that connection with me. But

602
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:38,279
I was always last minute, and I'm finding that I

603
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,160
can't do that now and I really want this to work.

604
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,279
So I've got to get myself, you know. The proverbial

605
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,319
ducks in a row and I've been getting up at.

606
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, you're not alone in that.

607
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,079
Speaker 2: No.

608
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:51,839
Speaker 3: Two things.

609
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,559
Speaker 6: I think one, you know, I think it's it feels

610
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,680
like there's meaning in the fact that we's retiring today

611
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640
at the same time that we're talking about you going

612
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,119
back in. Yeah, weird, doesn't It seems like another piece

613
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,400
of sergy to me. And then in terms of the writing, Uh,

614
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:07,559
you're a good writer. I know you're a good writer.

615
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,199
Like the format is no problem. Format's a piece of cake.

616
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:11,320
You'll learn that.

617
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: But you're a good writer.

618
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: And the reason why I would love to really continue

619
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,519
thinking about, Okay, what are you going to do with

620
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,679
this when you're done, is because you can start to

621
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,639
you know, the way this goes the best is when

622
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,079
you have an idea what you want to do this

623
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,119
with this, what you want to specialize in, and you

624
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,519
can focus your papers and your writing on those things. Ah,

625
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,559
it's you know, it goes easier. It all ends up

626
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,039
being useful later on. Maybe someday when you get your PhD,

627
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,559
will be part of your dissertation.

628
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: Right, how'd you know that that I've actually thought, I go, well,

629
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,079
maybe you follow this all the way through you're dead. Well,

630
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,280
he did you know what. I feel like I've always

631
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,639
been a little liar with that. He had like a

632
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,679
panic attack given his dissertation. I didn't realize he never finished. Yeah,

633
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,719
he never finished. Really yeah, so he was I think

634
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,000
abd d all. But dissertation that was pretty much the thing.

635
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:06,480
It was never really talked about. But here's the thing,

636
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,679
and I told this story earlier in this episode, but

637
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,320
my dad had been in the seminary politely asked to

638
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,119
leave for sticking the lit cigarette and Virgin Mary's statue. Yeah,

639
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,320
he did do that, according to him, Bob, I'm thinking

640
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:22,960
he probably did.

641
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: And before he wrote his letter of resignation.

642
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: From the church. Yes, yeah, yeah, he was in there.

643
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,960
So this is so. I think he had to be

644
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,199
maybe nineteen or twenty and one of the priests came

645
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,199
to him and said, you're so bright. You know you

646
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,360
need to go to college. But it's it's late summer.

647
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,280
And so he applied everywhere, and I think the University

648
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,400
of Chicago was really where he was looking at, and

649
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,880
he I know, he got in there for a PhD

650
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,800
program after Fisher, but everybody was taking him for the

651
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,719
January admissions because it was too late in the semester

652
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,679
the only and so this priest came to him said, Bill,

653
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,880
I know of a college. I think they'll take you. Now,

654
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,760
if you stay in Brooklyn, you're gonna it'll be a

655
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,400
girl fan. Something's gonna happen. So he pushed, and my

656
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,760
dad got accepted the Fisher and got on a plane

657
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
sight unseen, last minute went to Fisher. So I'm talk

658
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,880
different place then, yeah, yes, it was a much different place.

659
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,800
And I think at the time he had to live

660
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,159
in what was called the Hotel Manger downtown and they

661
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,000
bust you in because they didn't have enough dorms. They were. Yeah,

662
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,039
at that time, I think what happened it was all

663
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,440
male yep, and nas with was all female. And that's

664
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,880
where my mom went. So I'm talking to my brother

665
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,920
and my brother goes, I think this is awesome, dude,

666
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,679
and he goes, you know, my sister had told him

667
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,159
a little bit and he said, uh, and he reminded

668
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,079
me that he goes, he goes, I almost feel like

669
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,320
Dad had a hand in this. It's that last minute,

670
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,960
that last minute thing with Fisher, and I went, oh,

671
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,400
I didn't even think of that. Yeah, I mean, and again,

672
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,880
can you you know I always go, what's the meaning

673
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,000
of life? Whatever you apply to what I suppose would

674
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,559
be the meaning of life. But I don't want to like, look,

675
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,760
you know things, But it is weird how it all

676
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,559
has kind of come together like that and you go

677
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,639
all the energy, Yeah, a ton of it, a ton

678
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,280
of it. And to me that was the cool thing,

679
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,920
like with radio because somebody I think people would say, well,

680
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,719
you're you're doing a one to eighty or you're going

681
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,880
in a completely different path, and I'm going, no, you're

682
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,159
really not. You're really not.

683
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,199
Speaker 6: Absolutely well doing this. You mean going into mental health counseling. Yeah, yeah,

684
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,800
You've got so many transferable skills.

685
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: But I'm like that that's the thing that I say.

686
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,000
It's like, you're not going in a different path and

687
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,920
you can continue to do this and bring about things

688
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,760
and who knows what happens.

689
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,199
Speaker 3: Absolutely you know, yeah, you've got the lightenment going.

690
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 6: I can see these skills working its way into that

691
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,159
show in some way.

692
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: Yep, I have.

693
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,159
Speaker 6: So I can't wait to continue to talk about that

694
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:50,199
offline someone.

695
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,599
Speaker 2: What is the uh? The thing was? And I I

696
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,880
have evoked to you a little bit on episodes where

697
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,199
I said, like and I've noticed this too, like you

698
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,159
don't watch TV, and it wasn't a challenge for me.

699
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,599
I got rid of like I was like, I'm paying

700
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,360
for all these channels. The only thing I wanted was ESPN,

701
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,960
and I'm paying for all this other crap that I

702
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400
don't watch. And and I have got HBO Max and

703
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,199
Netflix and Prime and.

704
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: For Hard Knocks. I did watch Hard Knock.

705
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,039
Speaker 2: Yes I have one episode. Uh so all these things right,

706
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,519
And I loved I was a huge fan of the

707
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,760
show Hacks on HBO Max.

708
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 3: If you've ever seen it, heard of it at Comedians, Yeah, she's.

709
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: She's it's a one. It's a really really great show.

710
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,280
But I just haven't watched anything. And you've written, you're

711
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,519
writing a book, you've written a book, you're the head

712
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,760
of the department, you've got private prep. I mean, it's like,

713
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,440
I go, how does this guy do it all? And

714
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,000
I also start to think, like when I was a kid,

715
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,119
someone would say, what does your dad do? My dad's

716
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,480
a teacher my kids, what does your dad do? He's

717
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,599
on the radio. Now it's like, what's your dad do?

718
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,199
We does this, this and this, And it's like, yeah,

719
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,320
that that that I think that's how we're meant to be.

720
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:06,000
I don't know.

721
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, and you know it. And it depends

722
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,760
on the person too, right in your temperament. And I

723
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,159
think that you know, there's ADHD and some of that

724
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,719
stuff works its way in there too. And I would

725
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,960
not be able to if I worked from nine to

726
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,840
five every day in an office job, I'd probably go

727
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,679
home and watch TV online. I don't think that i'd

728
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,800
be able to, you know, sit and write books and

729
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,719
make videos for my daughter and do all that kind

730
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,119
of stuff.

731
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 3: Right.

732
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 6: I know I'm able to do that because while I'm

733
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,639
always busy, I can always do what I want when

734
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,039
I want to do it, as long as I'm always

735
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,320
being busy and always being productive. Ye, And so there's

736
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,960
not I think that, you know, there's there's something too

737
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,039
having that variety and really the professional freedom. Right when

738
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,039
you feel like a professional, you know, then you behave

739
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:51,840
like one. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

740
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's very true, right, I mean the whole

741
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,400
idea of dress for success you behave better, you look better. Yeah,

742
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,840
I mean all of that is uh I agree with,

743
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,239
but I find it impressive because you have your your

744
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:06,519
book cliff Notes.

745
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 6: Like cliff Notes got the Video Games and Psychotherapy, which

746
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,880
is the first book, and that was a manual for

747
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,039
teaching mental health counselors and social workers and psychologists how

748
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,679
to work with young people in integrate video games and

749
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,119
those types of things. That's a sign for the child course,

750
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,079
which you'll take with me. So you'll you'll uh, I'll

751
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,880
give you a copy of that book. And then the

752
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,920
second book was cliff Notes that came out just this

753
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,400
past year. That was a much different writing experience.

754
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:36,159
Speaker 2: Great book.

755
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,199
Speaker 3: I'm getting good feedback on it.

756
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: Great book you need to read. But you have a

757
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,960
website where people can go get these.

758
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 3: Cliff cliff notesbook dot CA.

759
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, Video Games and Psychotherapy was published through rough Edge,

760
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,679
so you can get that anywhere. You can get cliff

761
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,760
Notes on Amazon too. But that was a more personal book.

762
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,079
It was a little bit hard to put it out

763
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,079
there because it was so personal. But I'm at a

764
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,199
point now where I'm comfortable enough with the content that

765
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,199
I'm comfortable talking about it more. And then right now

766
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,920
I'm just finishing up. I think the title is going

767
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840
to be the name. It'll be Deep will be the

768
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,760
name of the book, and then the subtitle will be

769
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,800
Lessons from an Enlightened Doctor. Yeah, And so that book

770
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,000
is almost done. I'm going to print out copies of

771
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,039
it for you and the rest of the Wise Counsel,

772
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,559
and I'll get feedback from all of you. And once

773
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,559
I get your feedback and corrections, and I want you

774
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:30,599
to really go at it, this will be and it's

775
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:31,719
it's all an APA format.

776
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,599
Speaker 3: So by the end of reason oh really, yep, you're good.

777
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

778
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:39,199
Speaker 6: So once you're reading and get me back feedback, then

779
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,760
I'll make those changes and i'll try to get that

780
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,639
published too. If I can't get it, I can't get

781
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:46,000
a publisher, I'll publish myself.

782
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,079
Speaker 2: Can. I want to give you an opportunity. You don't

783
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,480
have to do it, but to brag about your your daughters.

784
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,679
And I only have three sons, so I know nothing

785
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,440
about daughters. Yes, and you have three daughters. And I

786
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,400
was uh talking to a friend of mine and she

787
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,679
was saying that she had the kids, the girls got

788
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,480
blowouts and all these things before school and all this stuff.

789
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:10,440
And I don't even know what a blowout is. I mean,

790
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,239
to me, that was a party. You you know what I

791
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,239
mean that it's a blow out, dude, let's go. That's

792
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000
all I know. But then my brother has a daughter.

793
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,159
Speaker 3: Who is I think what a blowout is like something

794
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:22,079
that happens in a diaper.

795
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, a blot of diaper, blot of attire. I always thought,

796
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,519
you know, someone who said to me. I always thought, oh,

797
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:32,239
it's a blowout man. Uh. But then my brother has

798
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,280
and I would say, probably, I don't think you could

799
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,239
find like if you looked up American girl, this is

800
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,599
who comes up, right, American teenage girl. Right, she's just

801
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:47,400
she just turned thirteen. So my brother though, he has

802
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,239
a picture. He posts a picture first day of school,

803
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,840
and it's her walking into school, head down, hand raised

804
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,119
like kind of this sort of wave back to him

805
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,239
and but facing the door. And I said something to

806
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
my mom, and my mom goes, yeah, because he tortures her.

807
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:06,519
I go, what he's yelling out the window to her, Hey,

808
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:10,239
mal I love you. It's your daddy. I love you, mal,

809
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,719
I love you. You're walking into school. And I go, oh, yeah,

810
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,880
that's him. That makes sense.

811
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think about doing that, but I would I'd

812
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,599
get in trouble. I'd get killed for doing that.

813
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: Well, I always think, like I don't know if girls

814
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,559
are more sensitive or not. I have no idea.

815
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: I don't have any boys, so I don't know for sure,

816
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,360
and I.

817
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: Can't tell you boys can be kind of sensitive. Like

818
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,800
at times, I'm like, WHOA what you know? Because in

819
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,440
my world it was always like, uh, it was just blunt,

820
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
you know, it was blunt. So that's what I just did.

821
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,159
I didn't know. And I see with my you know,

822
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,159
some of my sons, I go, Okay, I got that.

823
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,960
But I I not that girls are going to be

824
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,519
softer anyway. But I always thought if I had a daughter,

825
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,400
I think I would have been like just wrapped around

826
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,239
her finger I don't know that.

827
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've got me wrapped around their fingers for sure,

828
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,440
and there's no doubt about that.

829
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: And and you know, in.

830
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 6: My anecdotal experience as a parent of three daughters, you know,

831
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,119
for my three daughters, and it's different for everyone. I

832
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,920
gotta be you know, it's been my experience has been

833
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,079
I remember as a boy, as a kid, you know,

834
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,320
feeling certain things and being but always kind of like

835
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,880
trying to toughen up and not show it to other

836
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,920
people and let other people know. You know, my daughters

837
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,119
if you know, however, you know how they're feeling. When

838
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:27,760
they're feeling it.

839
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, my mother always said like, yeah. My mom always

840
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,719
said with my sister, she's like, oh god, it was

841
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,400
so hard because she would go toe to toe with

842
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,840
you on everything. But she said, but now, looking back,

843
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,079
I knew exactly where she was and what she stood.

844
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,639
She goes, you two the boys would tell me what

845
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,280
I wanted to hear and then go do what everyone

846
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,159
is to do anyway, no matter what. And I was like,

847
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,599
oh yeah, and my sister was more. Now that could

848
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,000
also just be personality. I'm sure there are girls who

849
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:03,039
byby did the same thing. But I do think that

850
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,039
I have always said I think women are more emotionally intelligent.

851
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,639
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean there's research that looks at that, right,

852
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,039
And I present on some of that in the class

853
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:13,719
that you'll take to the family class when we talk

854
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,519
about part family and partner counseling. There was a study

855
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,880
in twenty thirteen. They looked at the differences between men's

856
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,360
and women's brains using brain imaging, and you to put

857
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,119
in a nutshell, they basically suggested that most women, and

858
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,079
this is really important, right, there's a lot of there's

859
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,000
you know, we'd see a spectrum of gender now, but

860
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,480
in this particular study, you know, most women they said

861
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,159
their brain was like a ball of wires. Everything was

862
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,199
connected to everything. The theory was that that's was helpful

863
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,760
from an evolutionary perspective because they needed to be good multitaskers,

864
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,920
they needed to be have a good memory, now, all

865
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,559
those things that come with having a really you know what,

866
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,239
you know, connected brain. Whereas men were more compartmentalized. It

867
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,360
was like we had a we got a bunch of boxes,

868
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
and there's a box for everything. You know, you've got

869
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,639
a box for the bills, you got a box for

870
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,000
you know, the podcast you've got, and then you've got

871
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,480
one box that has nothing in it. And that's the

872
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,920
box we go to when we experience stress. Like it's

873
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,239
like it's like turning on a So why men tend

874
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480
to be so good at fishing. They like to fish

875
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,880
a lot, because you do not that a lot of

876
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,880
women don't fish too. But you know, it's just this

877
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,800
kind of monotonous task or sitting in front of the

878
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,199
TV and channel surfing, and it's like we put this

879
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320
screensaver on and basically shut everything off.

880
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: For a little while.

881
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and according to this research, a lot of women

882
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,639
have a much harder time doing that, right and so,

883
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,239
and I tend to see that in my daughters.

884
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too, like to a certain point,

885
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,599
I kind of like knowing where you stand with somebody.

886
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, And it's an argument for women in leadership.

887
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree. Yeah, I think that that's

888
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,480
always the case. But I also think sometimes like publicly,

889
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,199
and I've said this, and I don't know how people

890
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800
think this or not, but I always go, you hear

891
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,679
women be very mean to other women, like behind their back,

892
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,599
and and somebody said to me, Wow, I think that's

893
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,920
last thing. I go, Really, we had two women run

894
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,360
for president of the United States and they didn't win

895
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,119
the popular vote. And majority of the humans in the

896
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:13,159
United States are women.

897
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: It's an interesting.

898
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: That's that's all say. I don't know what that means.

899
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,440
I don't know what it means. I think I'm obviously

900
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,480
I'm alluding to something, but I go, I'm not sure

901
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,880
if that's the case or not, but I go, boy,

902
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,239
it sure makes an argument of I don't trust that bitch,

903
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,199
which is terrible.

904
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 6: But I go, yeah, I mean, I certainly hope we're

905
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,519
moving in the direction.

906
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,599
Speaker 2: I do too. I do too. I think we are.

907
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,119
I think I think we'll get there. But I don't know.

908
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,519
I just thought that was an interesting thing. Was well,

909
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,400
look at this. It's just that's how my dumb head works.

910
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,760
Sometimes I have to look at things. Something's not adding

911
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,559
up here.

912
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: And it's important to look at things.

913
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to overanalyze anything in life, but

914
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,000
I I there are certain things that just sort of

915
00:47:58,119 --> 00:47:59,199
pop out at me that.

916
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: I and this will be one of those things that

917
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,679
in class will be it will be fun. This will

918
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,079
be one of the reasons why I'm gonna love having

919
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,280
you as a student and you're going to be a

920
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,519
great addition to every class is because you're you're open minded,

921
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:11,760
You're willing to talk about these things, some of these things.

922
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,559
And there's it's my experience teaching in this program. And

923
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,559
you've got a lot of people coming from uh background

924
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,119
where you know, they want to help people, they want

925
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,960
to make a difference, right they and and so with that,

926
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,639
they've got some really strong values and uh it makes

927
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,440
for some difficult conversations, right and we're talking about things

928
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,840
like you know, in gender and we've got you know,

929
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,599
got two uh professors who specialize in working.

930
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,079
Speaker 3: With sex offenders.

931
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: Right.

932
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 6: Actually, I'm really interested in having you meet them, yes, uh.

933
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,239
And and so a lot of conversations that we have

934
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
are difficult conversations. And I think that you're going to

935
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,239
you know, you're You're not the type of person who's

936
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,400
going to sit back and let other people have that

937
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,400
conversation all the time.

938
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: You're going to be open minded. You're gonna put ideas

939
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,800
out there.

940
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:53,639
Speaker 4: Uh.

941
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,199
Speaker 3: And I'm excited for that.

942
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I I think I'm going to learn a

943
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,760
lot from a people like I hope. So, I mean,

944
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,880
you know, and I don't just mean that the instructors,

945
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,920
I mean the other people in the class as well.

946
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 6: Yesterday, I thought the first it was the first night

947
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,280
of the family class. And the first thing I do

948
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,840
in that class is I have everyone go around and

949
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,360
tell me the number of years they've worked with families.

950
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,920
And I said, you can include the number of years

951
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,239
you've been in a family, right, And so everybody basically

952
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,440
gives their age, right, And at the end of it,

953
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,599
I think they had I added it all up. They

954
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,480
had four hundred and thirty four years experience working with families.

955
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,920
I have twenty eight, right, and so saying that's the

956
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,079
way you introduced that class, right, it's like, who's the

957
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,000
expert here. You've got four hundred and thirty four years experience,

958
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,920
I've got twenty eight. I'm sorry to tell you this

959
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,199
because you're paying for the class, but you know, you

960
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,440
don't know if this is going to go well, then

961
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,880
we're going to have to learn from each other.

962
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: What happens to Now some people may avoid their family,

963
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,400
so they've withdrawn Yeah.

964
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: Yep, there's that too.

965
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, or have had a few years where they just

966
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,960
took a sabbatical from the family. I guess.

967
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: Well.

968
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 6: The capstone assignment for that class is you do an

969
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,880
assessment and a treatment plan for your family of origin. Really, yes, yes,

970
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,400
So you know, actually assess the different patterns and things

971
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,719
that you'd be looking at and diagnosing in a family

972
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,679
if you were seeing them in practice, and then read

973
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,079
up a treatment plan. What do you think a family

974
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:19,840
like this if you were seeing them in practice? What

975
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,960
do you think the goals would be?

976
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

977
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 6: You know when we noticed, when we first start to

978
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,199
notice improvement, you know, how we know that the goals

979
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,880
are achieved and we do that for everyone's family, and

980
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,360
a lot of times people have our hard time with

981
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,119
that assignment because the reasons you mentioned, right, they don't

982
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,159
know their family that well anymore. We've got students who

983
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,960
are international students who have had you know, you know,

984
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,000
tragic upbringings. You know, they don't have any family left, right,

985
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,039
and so we've always find ways for them to do

986
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,840
that assignment. I'll say, Okay, well, imagine that that person

987
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,920
you got to interview them, they're sitting in the chair,

988
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,159
ask them the questions, and imagine what they'll tell you

989
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,400
and write that stuff down, right. But yeah, this is

990
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,280
Those are more things that you're gonna explore a lot

991
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,559
more deeply as get into this.

992
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well, I mean I just I thought of

993
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,760
something there. There's things. I'll save it for off mic

994
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,880
to tell you one thing, but there there was certainly

995
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:20,719
a uh not. It's funny because I have gone to

996
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,159
therapy for a number of years. My sister did, and

997
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,679
my brother had an experience with it, my mom did,

998
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,199
but my father wanted nothing to do with it, like nothing,

999
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,320
it's not for everybody, and used to say things like

1000
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,519
and and I think really upset my mom because my

1001
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:40,639
mom was a speech pathologist, and she would work for

1002
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,079
any would go your feet off the PUSA society. What

1003
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,800
you would.

1004
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:48,039
Speaker 6: Say, which is, isn't it cool that now you're feeling

1005
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,440
like he had something to do with you coming back

1006
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:50,920
to school?

1007
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,599
Speaker 2: So weird? The whole thing is weird, weird and wonderful,

1008
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,400
weird and wonderful, you know, weird and wonderful.

1009
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:58,599
Speaker 3: And a beautiful mess.

1010
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1011
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: And I go.

1012
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 2: Even today somebody said to me, well, you know, are

1013
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,639
you doing this then? And I go, yeah, everything's gonna

1014
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,800
be fine. I'm not I'm not worried about any of this.

1015
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,840
And and there are often times I'll go, is there

1016
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,159
something wrong with me that I should be more upset

1017
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,559
about X, Y or Z. I just it doesn't matter.

1018
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,559
Speaker 6: You know, when there was a time in your life

1019
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,400
where you would have been, oh gosh, it was enjoy

1020
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,199
that you're not there anymore. That's one of the things

1021
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,159
that comes with wisdom. It's one of the reasons why

1022
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,360
this is a good time for you.

1023
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a perfect time. And I appreciate

1024
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,000
all the help with helping facilitate that because I think

1025
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,119
this will be it's interesting.

1026
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 6: So Sunday morning, after so you came over Saturday night.

1027
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,920
I had a big bondfire for my daughter and three

1028
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,039
of her friends, and I threw it out there if

1029
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,519
anybody wanted to come over for a beer. And so

1030
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:51,159
you took me up on that with a couple of

1031
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,920
guinness by the fire and talked and and based on

1032
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,199
that conversation, the next day, I just I'm gonna throw

1033
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,800
this out at Bill. I don't know, actually, I probably

1034
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
maybe I'll I'll read it after a break or something.

1035
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,599
But basically said, I might be absolutely crazy. This might

1036
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,639
be you know, tell me if if you think that

1037
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,599
this is, you know, insane, But I think it would

1038
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:16,519
be really cool if you entered the program. Yeah you

1039
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,800
could do something really cool with this. And yeah I was.

1040
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,840
I was pleased when you had a positive response.

1041
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,519
Speaker 2: I did. And then, well, you know what, speaking that,

1042
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,079
we will take a short break, I'll tell you what

1043
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,280
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That's Palmer's Direct to You Mark time.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's bady, oh break like fast calls and freedom. Everybody

1082
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,000
wants the same Old Thames.

1083
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Tell me buck full of brains, my.

1084
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 4: Friends time of sway, I'm tired run him straight?

1085
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: Oh God, no, you still loo Bo.

1086
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: It's an interesting song that you turned me on to

1087
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:18,320
this band, and now I'm I'm like seeing them sort

1088
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,960
of pop up in people's like in the background on

1089
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,840
one of my kids Instagram posts. I'm like, yeah, the

1090
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,159
Red clay Strays, I'm really good.

1091
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, his voice is fantastic.

1092
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like in every all the songs sound different too, right,

1093
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,199
It's yeah, they have like it sound like if you've

1094
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,719
heard one Red Clay Stray songs, you've heard them all day. No,

1095
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,079
they're all so different. There's one that almost sounds like

1096
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,920
it's from the fifties. Oh I love that band.

1097
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a vocal a little bit of that

1098
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,199
that old but I love those vocals. Yeah, really, yeah,

1099
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,239
I love those vocals.

1100
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: It sounds almost like Bob Seger in some songs.

1101
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I will always say I I always think, uh,

1102
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:03,119
and maybe this is my own personal experience, like underrated

1103
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:06,320
Bob Sieger, Like I really like a lot of his

1104
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,000
songs when I listen back. Now, you know, being in radio,

1105
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,199
the hits were jammed down your throat, right, people want

1106
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,639
to hear The basis of pop radio was every time

1107
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:19,920
I turn on the radio, I want to hear my

1108
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,159
favorite song, right, And so you wanted that and sometimes

1109
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,800
the old wow factors. Oh I love this, but that's

1110
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,960
what a top forty station is based on the album stations.

1111
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,880
But still it was the hits. People wanted to know

1112
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,119
the hits. You know. It's like when you go see

1113
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,719
a band and they go allright, from our new album.

1114
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,519
Everybody gets up and goes to the bathroom. It gets

1115
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,400
a beer, you know, because we don't. We like what

1116
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,639
we like and we like the familiarity of that stuff,

1117
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:47,239
and I think it's it'll it's interesting, But I agree.

1118
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: I used to like Weez this Sunday morning radio music show.

1119
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,199
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure he's going to do that again.

1120
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,400
Oh really, yeah, I think that on the weekends he's

1121
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,599
going to do this. I don't know if I'm allowed

1122
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,320
to say this. One. I watched that Somebody's coming in here,

1123
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:05,280
but they're in the wrong spot. So not today. I

1124
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,639
just knew he was. It happens not today, Not today,

1125
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:18,599
the older guy, not today. Sorry, yeah, Dune. Yes, I

1126
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:23,239
think that I shouldn't say this because then it's revealing

1127
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,400
that I know more than I will ever let on.

1128
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,239
But yes, I believe on Saturdays and Sundays that will

1129
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,119
be the brother of Wiz music. Show for a little while.

1130
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:34,519
Speaker 3: That would be cool, like they hear the they would

1131
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:35,920
play deeper tracks.

1132
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:39,079
Speaker 2: And deeper tracks great things people didn't know about. I

1133
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:43,239
think he was instrumental in bringing not that they wouldn't

1134
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,639
have had it without wheeze, I'm not saying that, but

1135
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,599
I think he brought some great music like Susan Tedesky

1136
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,400
and Derek Trucks and you know, and he's kind of

1137
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,000
responsible for introducing them to each other and uh all

1138
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,239
that music. Yeah, so I think that that that'll be

1139
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,480
it'll be back from what I understand that's going to do. Yeah,

1140
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,519
So I don't know what else is happening over there,

1141
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,079
but I got to tell you, like, people make fun

1142
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:10,119
of me because I and I've been trying very very

1143
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:15,920
hard to uh not be this way. But I had

1144
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,239
at one point, probably like one hundred and twenty unread

1145
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:24,000
text messages. Yeah yeah, no, no, just in general, right,

1146
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:25,920
just in general. So I've been trying to stay ahead

1147
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,079
of that. I'm at fifteen right now, but it's been

1148
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,719
all day. I've been trying to keep up with you.

1149
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,719
Too bad. Nah, that's not bad at all. That's manageable, right,

1150
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,199
that's way more manageable. Than the other.

1151
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 6: I feel honor because I hear the guys on the

1152
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,440
podcast talk about how you don't get back to anybody and.

1153
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: You always get right back. I still feel good about that.

1154
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are certain people in my life that I

1155
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,719
get back to right away. I don't know. I'm trying

1156
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,920
to do that. I'm trying to do that better. Actually,

1157
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:53,840
somebody said to me once that because everybody, let's talk

1158
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,800
about this for a second, because I love your perspective

1159
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,000
on it, the idea that we're busy. And a friend

1160
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,719
just said to me, no one has the corner on busy.

1161
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,360
And she was talking about how busy things are for

1162
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,519
her and stuff like that, and yeah, it is, but

1163
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:13,039
nobody has the corner on busy. And I started to think,

1164
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,920
the more you talk about being busy, the less time

1165
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,840
you have you talk about self fulfilling prophecy in a sense,

1166
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,719
the less time you have, or you just don't see

1167
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,039
the enjoyment in it, and then things become a grind.

1168
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:30,000
And I'm a big believer in you know, there's a path,

1169
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,400
many paths to the same destination. I could take the

1170
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,519
back roads up to Buffalo, or I could take ninety,

1171
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,239
or I could take whatever, and you'll get there. One's

1172
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,920
a little rougher, one may be a prettier ride, one

1173
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,760
may be a quicker ride. But it's all and kind

1174
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,679
of how you do it. So you can grind this

1175
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,440
out or you can kind of enjoy things. But the

1176
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,039
busy is it's an interesting one for me because I

1177
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,000
see that, and so my excuse was always busy. And

1178
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,920
then someone said to me, they're friends with Jimmy Kim

1179
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,760
and they go, you know, what always gets back to

1180
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,719
me like right away Jimmy Kim. And I went what

1181
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,960
And they go, yeah, like if I write something, you know,

1182
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,760
if I send him a text him, he gets right

1183
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:11,320
back to you, like.

1184
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,599
Speaker 3: Immediately, takes less time, just get back to it.

1185
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I went, oh my gosh, cause there's so

1186
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,400
many times like I'll get to that person later. I'll

1187
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,760
give I'll get it, no big deal, I'll give you.

1188
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: You know, don't worry.

1189
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's bad because then it's like, well,

1190
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,639
then obviously there's a pecking order that all of us

1191
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:34,480
fall in somebody else's life. I get that, but why

1192
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:36,480
not if we want to talk about making people, you know,

1193
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,480
you often think like who do you want to be? Around. Well,

1194
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,039
you want to be around people that make you feel

1195
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:43,039
good and make you feel like you mad or and

1196
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:46,000
I do, well, don't you? And so you get you

1197
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,320
get back to people. And I thought, wow, that's really

1198
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,159
interesting because the person said, yeah, I know, like I go,

1199
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,840
that guy's got to have a million things going on.

1200
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,440
And I said, yeah, and I can tell you this.

1201
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:02,039
I don't know, but I know that I know that

1202
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,199
fallin like with I mean, oh.

1203
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:06,519
Speaker 3: He seems to be doing everything now too.

1204
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he would sit down on FaceTime with I

1205
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,280
remember being on FaceTime with Damien's just spend an hour

1206
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,440
just shooting the shit like and those people who may

1207
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:18,119
give you I still say, I don't know where you

1208
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:21,239
fall in this either, but I would always say to

1209
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,360
my boys, and I always think of it for myself, well,

1210
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,159
when people are willing to give you their time, it's

1211
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,159
the greatest gift they can actually give you because no

1212
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,400
one knows how much you have of it. And I

1213
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,679
always think those people who seem to have the least

1214
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,760
like or more important things to do that we would say,

1215
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,920
seem to give you the most at times.

1216
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does feel that way sometimes, Yeah, I agree.

1217
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,639
The busy thing that can become a self fulfilling prophecy.

1218
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,039
I often say, there's no, there's not levels of being overwhelmed.

1219
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:48,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1220
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 6: Once you're overwhelmed, you're overwhelmed. Do you know where that

1221
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,960
word overwhelmed comes from? No, it's a really actually it

1222
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,000
might be my favorite word origin.

1223
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:56,159
Speaker 3: So I'll say it.

1224
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 6: So back in you know, back in the day when

1225
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,960
most boats were made out of wood, and they'd use

1226
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,280
wood slats. They would put the wood slats together, they

1227
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,239
would put a little bead of of glue between them,

1228
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,199
and then they dip them down into the water just

1229
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,280
so that there was like an inch above the water

1230
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,039
to push all of the wood slats together and get

1231
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:18,480
the boat to seal itself. And that was called whelming

1232
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,440
when you would put the water would and so if

1233
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:21,960
you pushed it down a little bit too much and

1234
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,239
water went into the boat, it was overwhelmedhel right, And

1235
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,440
there's not different stages of overwhelmed. Right, Once you push

1236
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:30,039
once the once you're taking in water, you're taking in water, right, And.

1237
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's what's a tip for then somebody

1238
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,480
who feels overwhelmed, So you have.

1239
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 6: Any like well, this goes back to what you were

1240
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,039
saying before about it seems like the people who are

1241
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:44,760
the busiest also tend to have the most time to

1242
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,400
give to you and that kind of thing, right that, Yeah,

1243
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,199
kind of ironically, what I would have someone who feels

1244
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:54,639
really overwhelmed do is engage in some kind of mindfulness,

1245
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:57,119
meditation practice something like that, which takes time. Right, it's

1246
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,639
gonna make the first response to that is, I don't

1247
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:01,840
have time for that shit, right, I'm overwhelmed.

1248
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: I just told her, I'm overwhelmed. I don't have time

1249
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,159
to sit and just be.

1250
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 6: But it's those are the types of things that we

1251
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,920
can do to get ourselves to the type of place

1252
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,400
that you described being in earlier.

1253
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: Right, you you listen to a.

1254
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,239
Speaker 6: Podcast of yours last week where you talked about how

1255
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,679
you forgot your keys at the at the at the

1256
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:20,920
why right, and you went home and you're just like,

1257
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,440
all right, well, I guess I'm just gonna go back

1258
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,079
and get them. And you know, maybe there's a reason

1259
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,639
why this happened, and I maybe I wasn't supposed to

1260
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,239
like do something today, And and so people who look

1261
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,599
at things that way tend to be less overwhelmed, tend

1262
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:34,480
to get more done, and they also tend to be

1263
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:37,960
the people who do things like, you know, practice meditation

1264
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:41,599
and mindfulness and spend quality time with other people, because

1265
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,079
you know that if you're just being busy all the.

1266
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,039
Speaker 3: Time, you're gonna get overwhelmed. You're gonna burn out.

1267
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,039
Speaker 2: Right. I agree that the burnout I think is a

1268
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,599
is a is a real thing because you you sort

1269
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,360
of fry your own circuits. You're not giving yourself time.

1270
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,559
And I don't know that. I it's not long like

1271
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,239
I've been doing. I told you the five minute Journal.

1272
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

1273
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:07,199
Speaker 2: And I think today I woke up and I think

1274
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,880
I was grumpy, like right off the bat, and I

1275
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,559
couldn't come up with things that yesterday. It wasn't wine.

1276
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,760
I was thinking to things like what am I grateful for?

1277
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,639
I don't even know. I'm like, I'm thinking of my head.

1278
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:24,400
And then I go, I got a cool car to drive? Yeah,

1279
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,559
And then have you done it yet? Have you taken

1280
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,360
it around? I did it today? Would you do?

1281
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: Did you do the power shot?

1282
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: No, not the power shot, but the power shot? You could.

1283
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,039
I would wait till I'm like on the express I'm afraid. Yeah, yeah,

1284
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,079
on the Expressway. You just make sure it's a little open.

1285
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,159
Speaker 6: You's the same Dodge charger the bill has. That's what

1286
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:42,079
we're talking about.

1287
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: The Dodge charger, right, And I there are times where

1288
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,400
if I'm going around, so there was a green light

1289
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,719
and I needed to make a right and so I go.

1290
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,480
I'm not I took my foot off the accelerator, but

1291
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:54,800
you're going on a certain speed and those things it

1292
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,800
will hug. It just hugs the turn. So I crank

1293
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,679
it and I punch it in the back end kicks

1294
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:00,000
a little.

1295
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:00,119
Speaker 5: It.

1296
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: I just love that. I don't know why I shouldn't

1297
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:06,119
even admit that I do that, but I love that.

1298
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:09,760
It's such a great like it's heavy. Those batteries make

1299
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,360
it heavy, so it handles so well. But yes, I'm

1300
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,119
grateful for that. And I'm grateful for you know, the

1301
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,000
studio and my big comfortable bed, and you keep it

1302
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:20,199
kind of simple.

1303
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,119
Speaker 6: Well even more simple though, right. I mean, that's it's

1304
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,920
not about having big things to be grateful for, you know.

1305
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:30,320
Practicing gratitude is recognizing the little things that you know, today,

1306
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,480
they made my coffee right right, like in Starbucks. Half

1307
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:34,920
the time, I have a fancy coffee that is awesome.

1308
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,639
When they make it right. And they don't make it right,

1309
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:38,880
I feel like I wasted all my money and it

1310
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,360
pisses me off. And so when they made it good today,

1311
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,119
so I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for pants that

1312
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:46,760
I don't have to iron, right, I'm kind of grateful

1313
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,920
that it's a little bit cooler today because you know,

1314
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,039
I'm looking forward to the fall.

1315
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:51,199
Speaker 2: Right.

1316
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:53,639
Speaker 6: So it's just little stuff like that, and then when

1317
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:56,519
you practice it enough, as silly as it sounds, it

1318
01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:00,960
becomes it happened, right. It's like letting down a hill, right,

1319
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,159
first time you sled down a hill, it's you've got to,

1320
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,199
you know, kind of beat down that trail. And then

1321
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:07,239
every time you go down and again it becomes quicker

1322
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:08,079
and faster and easier.

1323
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:08,679
Speaker 3: And so now you're.

1324
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 6: Scanning your environment for things that you're grateful for when

1325
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,679
you're not even trying. Yeah, that's where it's at, right,

1326
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:15,719
Like when I'm when I I know when I'm doing well,

1327
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,480
when I'm busy and and doing a lot of things

1328
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,239
and not overwhelmed and not getting too upset about it.

1329
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,760
It's it's when I'm in that headspace where you know,

1330
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,039
I'm kind of naturally surveying my environment for things that

1331
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,239
I'm grateful for. I'm in that mindset of and I've

1332
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,960
heard you talk about this too, right, I get to

1333
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,519
do this insteady you have to do yeah?

1334
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:37,199
Speaker 2: Right? And yeah. I like that kind of thinking a

1335
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:40,480
little bit better. It softens something. Doesn't mean I'm not

1336
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,320
going to do It's the same thing. I'm just looking

1337
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,760
at the same thing from a different perspective. But one

1338
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,119
of the things that has come out in one of

1339
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,519
the classes was with doctor McGinnis where he said he

1340
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:55,519
asked everybody, what's the one hard thing you did today?

1341
01:07:56,119 --> 01:08:00,679
And I, of course couldn't really think I hadn't done

1342
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:01,760
anything that hard.

1343
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,119
Speaker 3: That day go to class for the first time.

1344
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: A lot of people were saying, you know, there was

1345
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,480
that No. I said that the hard thing I did

1346
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:11,199
was sift through my fifteen year old's laundry to make

1347
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,960
sure he had socks and underwear because he had his

1348
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,600
fit picked out. But I knew there were the basics

1349
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,680
weren't done, and so I made sure that that was done,

1350
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,800
folded and left for him. Uh, And everybody left, but that,

1351
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,279
you know, But the thing was that started to remind

1352
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:30,199
me of hard things, and like when you take a

1353
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,239
if you take a boot camp class or one of

1354
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,560
these classes, sometimes the instructor will yell out you can

1355
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,359
do hard things, right. I remember in boxing they would

1356
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:41,279
you had to hang and they would throw a medicine

1357
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,199
ball at your stomach, right because you're gonna be getting

1358
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:47,199
punched in the stomach. Punched in the stomach. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1359
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:49,840
and so and I think you can do hard things.

1360
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,319
You can do hard things. When when doctor McGinnis said this,

1361
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,439
it brought me back to I gotta start doing the

1362
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,439
cold shower again. And the only reason is because you go,

1363
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,640
I did that, and there there's a satisfaction to that.

1364
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,000
And I think when you feel like and Jordan was

1365
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,680
my son, was in here. He said about making the bed,

1366
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,600
which I go, well, I bet you don't. He goes,

1367
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,920
I don't, but that it gives you that sense of accomplishment.

1368
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,439
I did something today, and that to me can help

1369
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,960
with the overwhelming sure, you know, because of the yes,

1370
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:23,159
start the day with the win. And so I've been

1371
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,640
like two days now, I've been the cold shower. I

1372
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,319
don't even know if I'm making it thirty seconds I

1373
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,319
was going to almost two minutes in the.

1374
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: Th that's cool.

1375
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 6: That's impressive. I know doctor McGinnis does that too. Yes, yeah,

1376
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,119
you guys got to keep on each other.

1377
01:09:34,119 --> 01:09:36,399
Speaker 2: And I started I started thinking, I go, well, you

1378
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,960
feel better when you when you actually do hard things.

1379
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:43,319
It's okay, it's a good thing. Like today, I knew

1380
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:45,239
my schedule is going to be a little different today,

1381
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,119
and so I got up and on certain days I walk,

1382
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,640
and in certain days I go to the gym. Today

1383
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,479
would be a gym day. I couldn't get there because

1384
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,720
at the time I needed to be there, I had

1385
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,239
an appointment, and I just went for the walk, and

1386
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,439
I'm like, you gotta do these things because it is

1387
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:01,479
that I did this.

1388
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,359
Speaker 6: One thing you're going to hear over and over again

1389
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:06,079
in the program is learning how to get comfortable with

1390
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:10,239
being uncomfortable. Yeah, and that's like a you hear it

1391
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,439
all the time in any kind of therapy training program, right,

1392
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,600
you need to learn to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.

1393
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,720
For me, like hiking and doing that stuff in the

1394
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,640
mountains is one of the ways that you know, I

1395
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,520
was really able to embrace that. But it's it's really true.

1396
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,840
It's important. I think we're wired to be uncomfortable. I

1397
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,880
think every day we should be a little bit uncomfortable.

1398
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,680
I feel like, oddly enough, again, that really helps our

1399
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,800
mental health. And you know, that's one of the struggles sometimes,

1400
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,800
you know, teaching a lot of younger folks who haven't

1401
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,479
had a lot of life experience. Is you know, the

1402
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,199
hardest thing or the worst thing you've been through is

1403
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:46,800
the worst thing you've been through, right, And so it's

1404
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,279
another reason why having you know a student like you

1405
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:51,600
in the class who can offer a different perspective.

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 2: I've been through a lot. I mean, my god, divorced, okidding,

1407
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,239
I laugh, I say that joking. There used to be

1408
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,520
a T shirt for the Rolling Stones. They go, the

1409
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,039
Rolling Stones have survived divorce, bankruptcy, addiction, blah blah. It

1410
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:12,880
was just really shitty things and it made me laugh.

1411
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, at some point, if you live long enough.

1412
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and I went, okay, but none of it. I think,

1413
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:22,800
like we were. I was brought up in a world where, oh,

1414
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,199
my god, like the sky's falling. Everything was chicken little,

1415
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:27,800
you know what I mean, The sky's falling, The sky

1416
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,319
is falling, and you start to realize like, no, it's not.

1417
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,399
And if you're not doing things to make yourself happy.

1418
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,520
And oh, by the way, one of the things I

1419
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,560
I almost see I again, like in these classes and things,

1420
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:47,680
I wanted to almost dovetail on what doctor McGinnis had said.

1421
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,159
But by the way, oh he is, Oh I didn't

1422
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:56,319
know that. Oh that's awesome. Yeah, oh wow, oh, because

1423
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:58,319
I thought there was some I don't know. I have

1424
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:00,880
to go back. You'll have your meeting with him and oh, right,

1425
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:02,000
this will be great.

1426
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 2: So he was, uh, he was talking about you know,

1428
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,279
doing hard things and and how now I might trying

1429
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:16,000
to thought is off. That's exciting to know.

1430
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 6: I'm it's okay because emotions are temporary, Like I feel

1431
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,880
like every day and this is one of the things

1432
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,079
I'm I feel like I'm getting better at over as

1433
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:27,960
I'm getting older, and maybe it's less testosterone and and

1434
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:30,279
uh after you know, meaning deep and doing some.

1435
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 3: Of that work.

1436
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 6: But you know, it feels like every day something happens

1437
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,479
where you're like, this is the worst thing that possibly right,

1438
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,720
Like this is the word. It totally throws you off,

1439
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:43,760
and uh and you know, eventually, regardless of what it is,

1440
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:44,920
it always ends up passing.

1441
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:45,159
Speaker 2: Right.

1442
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so you're learning that emotions are temporary. And

1443
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,279
I think that that's another big part of why we

1444
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:53,560
want to be able to why we want to do

1445
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,279
hard things right. We need to learn that emotions are temporary.

1446
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 2: Right, And I think, but you you feel better, you

1447
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,000
feel like you've accomplished something. You you're doing something, even

1448
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:04,239
this right, going back to school at fifty four years old. Oh,

1449
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:06,439
I never put a light on you. I have been

1450
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,399
so out of my head, out of my No, No,

1451
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,720
it's fine. I'm looking over I go wow, oh okay,

1452
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:15,319
And then before I'm gonna have to strip audio from

1453
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:16,760
a video now because I missed that.

1454
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: Like, did you get an intern yet?

1455
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: No? This is all like I've just no, this is

1456
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:26,000
like my first day in here. I feel like I'm

1457
01:13:26,079 --> 01:13:28,920
just come bumbling around like Bambi on ice. I don't

1458
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,000
know what happened. Yes, hard things. I think it sort

1459
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:37,199
of centers you. I'm I've been meditating for a number

1460
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,560
of years. I don't know that I do it right.

1461
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,520
I sit for ten minutes and I just try to

1462
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,800
concentrate on my breath. I do think that there's something

1463
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,079
there's not I think that there but again, like that's

1464
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:51,439
that's the thing, and I and you and I talked

1465
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,920
about this at the Bonfire where it's like manifest right,

1466
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,079
I said, it's become a buzzword. And I love it

1467
01:13:58,119 --> 01:14:01,600
that it's used in this one like progressive commercial where

1468
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,880
the guy's out someplace and she goes, you know, you

1469
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,319
can bundle your boat and trailer and all this. Here

1470
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:08,359
he goes, there's a beautiful spot. She goes, you better

1471
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:09,920
do it before other people find it, and all of

1472
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,479
a sudden, here and there's a big crowd and the

1473
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,640
scirl goes, Hi, fam just out here manifesting. And I go,

1474
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,760
it's it's become this buzzword.

1475
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: And mindfulness to kind of to some extent, become this buzzword.

1476
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I I was one I used to write

1477
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:29,279
when I was in radio, especially when I did the

1478
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:31,760
show with Tommy, that I would write at the top

1479
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,479
of the page, be present always, because I do think

1480
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,079
that that's it's very very important and mindfulness is the thing.

1481
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:39,439
And at that time I was reading a lot of

1482
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,880
Tick not Han. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him.

1483
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:49,159
He's a Vietnamese exiled monk, and yeah, and really very

1484
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:52,920
very you know, there is no death, you know, this

1485
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,359
sort of thing, but you do great videos and stuff

1486
01:14:56,359 --> 01:15:00,840
tick nott Han and I just found that those things

1487
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,640
kind of ground you. And when I don't do it,

1488
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,039
that's when the overwhelming comes in. It's amazing, that's when

1489
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:05,920
I lose it. Yeah.

1490
01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 3: It really makes a difference.

1491
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: It does, It makes it. It makes a huge difference.

1492
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,159
I'm very excited about this. I'm now. I'm excited to

1493
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,159
know that doctor McGinnis is my advisor.

1494
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,079
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, well and we'll have so I don't

1495
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:19,359
know what elective you plan on taking there. He'll talk

1496
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:21,479
to you about those options. But one of them is

1497
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,119
that complimentary treatment methods course.

1498
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, that's awesome.

1499
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:27,279
Speaker 6: It would be cool if it worked out that that

1500
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:30,399
you took that with us. And yeah, though, this is

1501
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:31,520
so cool. I'm so excited.

1502
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,319
Speaker 2: Well I am too, and I thank you very much

1503
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:39,439
for bringing the opportunity or raising it, because I wanted

1504
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,079
to tell you that was it, and you wanted to

1505
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:44,359
say something as well. My mother, so I my education

1506
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,520
was a big thing and I always joked for many

1507
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,760
many years that I'm the least educated in my family.

1508
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,720
My brother is a masters, my sister is a doctor

1509
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,960
in linguistics, my mother as a master's and my father

1510
01:15:53,520 --> 01:16:00,920
had everything but the dissertation, basically with philosophy. And yeah,

1511
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,520
so when this came about, I called her and she's like,

1512
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:06,000
you got to do it, you have to. I think

1513
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,319
this is wonderful. And then I like, you know, I

1514
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:10,720
get a couple of calls throughout the day, and then

1515
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,640
one of them and she gets mad when I mock

1516
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,479
her because she doesn't really sound like this. But this

1517
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,680
is how I've always heard my mother. In my head.

1518
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,560
She's going, oh my god, this. I have been praying

1519
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,520
and praying that something would just work out for you

1520
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,840
because I know things have been just it's hard. I

1521
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,720
know it's hard. I know you and Jameson and I worry.

1522
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,720
I worry so much, that's the thing. But she was

1523
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,920
so excited. I don't even know. It's not really and

1524
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:38,239
what he's heard my mom, That's not really how she sounds.

1525
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,119
And but yet in my head, god, I could I

1526
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,239
even do it to her face sometimes and she'll go

1527
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:47,680
that's not me, and I go, oh, it is, at

1528
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:48,680
least in my head.

1529
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,279
Speaker 3: In that same me.

1530
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 2: But she was super, super excited and was the first

1531
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,319
person I called, and she said to me what I

1532
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,439
have said, and it's what I feel like I've just

1533
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,760
lost myself in the moment. I don't know. And here's

1534
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,560
what I mean by that. She said to me, don't

1535
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,039
talk to a lot of people about this.

1536
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 3: Go forth until no one yeah.

1537
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: And I went, yeah. She goes, you don't want a

1538
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,680
lot of opinions. And I did talk to a few

1539
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,039
people and one person, only one person, but very kindly,

1540
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:26,399
just said, you know, fifty four, can he be a

1541
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,960
student again? And I and if you think you can,

1542
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:31,560
thenk go for it. That's great. There was nobody who

1543
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,560
said don't do that? What's wrong with you? Even my

1544
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,439
college roommate wrote me today about something completely different, asking me, hey,

1545
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,840
is South still coming back? And I don't know, but

1546
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,279
I'm going. And he goes, that's awesome. That's awesome.

1547
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 6: So and you'll be you know what you'll be. It's

1548
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:49,159
an expedited track. So you'll be done May twenty twenty seven.

1549
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:50,600
You know, it's not even two years.

1550
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you'll be done.

1551
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 3: I mean, it means it, it means it's pretty rigorous.

1552
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:55,079
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

1553
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,359
Speaker 3: But man's that time is going to go so quick.

1554
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 2: It is going to go quick. And uh yeah, buckle up,

1555
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,520
here we go. We buckle up, all right, we will uh,

1556
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,000
we'll close it out. I appreciate you coming in on

1557
01:18:08,119 --> 01:18:09,239
a rainy day.

1558
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 6: Most fun when you go pick up my youngest daughter

1559
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,880
from her first day of school.

1560
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 2: Now, oh wonderful, your youngest daughter for the first day

1561
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,359
of school. And then you have one who's a field

1562
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:18,000
hockey star.

1563
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 6: Ava, She's she's a senior at Mendon. She's got her

1564
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,119
first game of the season this year. It'll be her

1565
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:27,680
last high school season, so I'm gonna make every single

1566
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:28,439
game for sure.

1567
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:29,159
Speaker 2: Uh.

1568
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 3: And then yeah, my oldest is living up any hurt

1569
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,079
in the around, Yeah.

1570
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: I know, I saw that, a hurt in the aeronics.

1571
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,239
You go that for an entire semester.

1572
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,399
Speaker 3: Professor's paddle out to her each week.

1573
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,399
Speaker 2: That is amazing to me. Who even knew that?

1574
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:46,239
Speaker 6: I go, what an opportunity of electronics, no running water? Wow,

1575
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,960
writing all her assignments and kind.

1576
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 2: Of paper this I can't imagine. How How old is she? Nineteen? Yeah?

1577
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:54,039
How many other nineteen year olds are living like that?

1578
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 3: Just eleven on the island with her?

1579
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty pretty cool, very cool for doctor Rice

1580
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:03,600
on Bill Moran. We'll see you on Monday. Go Bill.

1581
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:09,800
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