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<v Speaker 1>This episode maintained content of a graphic nature, including descriptions

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<v Speaker 1>of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes and Consequences,

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<v Speaker 2>a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you good? I did want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a question. Yes, that's why I had to look it

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<v Speaker 2>up before we started recording. You know, there's a new

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<v Speaker 2>Keanu Reeves movie coming out. Have you seen the trailer

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<v Speaker 2>for it? It's called only going to be in theaters

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend I guess of the seventeenth, October seventeenth, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's called Good Fortune. Seth Rogan's in it. Okay, premise

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<v Speaker 2>looks like that Keano is playing a well meaning but

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<v Speaker 2>an ept angel named Gabriel, and he meddles in the

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<v Speaker 2>lives of struggling gig worker and a wealthy venture capitalist.

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<v Speaker 2>And who's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sponsored, by the way, everyone, Oh, this is not sponsored.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see if you wanted to get tickets

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<v Speaker 2>like you imagine, And since it's only going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there for the weekend, and it looks so good. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me see if I can look it up. But you

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<v Speaker 2>can't put in anything, and I will go see it

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<v Speaker 2>real same same.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him. He's like just such a pure soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, He's like he's everything. He's your cool cousin, your

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<v Speaker 2>sweet older brother, your sweet younger brother, your cool uncle

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<v Speaker 2>son grandson. Now that I've reached Graham status, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think Keanu is a little bit older than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's so sweet, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm gonna put that on the calendar for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, what do you got going on? How have

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<v Speaker 2>you been?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've been really fine. I got Monday off. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exciting. Any kind of that is nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So it'll be a nice long weekend. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm doing anything fun. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that in our members only episode, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the most exciting news I have coming off.

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<v Speaker 2>This October. No, that's good. Well, I'm bringing a good

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<v Speaker 2>story today. I'm gonna tell you. I can't wait. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the slender Man murders? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a minute and I'm going to delve into

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<v Speaker 2>this right away, and I'm gonna set the scene. Here

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<v Speaker 2>we go. It's the woods, and the woods are quiet,

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<v Speaker 2>too quiet for a Saturday morning in late May. And

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere beyond the trees, the wind moves like a whisper

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<v Speaker 2>through leaves, a faint rustle, a hint of life. Then

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<v Speaker 2>a sound breaks the stillness. Shallow, breathing, wet and uneven.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the sound of a little girl fighting to stay alive.

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<v Speaker 2>When she's twelve years old. Her name is Peyton Lutner,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's crawling through the dirt, her hands trembling, her

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<v Speaker 2>shirt soaked in blood. Nineteen stab wounds decorate her body

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<v Speaker 2>like a map of betrayal, each one carved by the

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<v Speaker 2>hands of her two best friends. I trusted you, she whispered,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I hate you. It's twenty fourteen and Wakeisha, Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a quiet suburban community where horror does not happen,

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<v Speaker 2>not here, not among children. But that morning, the unimaginable did.

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton was supposed to be dead, left in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>like a forgotten secret, her small body hididden beneath leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Her attackers, Morgan Geyser and in this a Weir, both

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<v Speaker 2>just twelve, had already vanished walking down the highway toward

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<v Speaker 2>what they believed was their next destination, the mansion of

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<v Speaker 2>a mythical creature known only as slender Man. What began

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<v Speaker 2>as a sleepover between friends would end in blood delusion

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the most disturbing crimes ever committed by

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<v Speaker 2>children in American history. Now, before that morning, nothing about

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<v Speaker 2>these three girls seemed extraordinary. Peyton, or Bella, as her

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<v Speaker 2>friends called her, was bright, kind, loved animals. She had

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<v Speaker 2>a tender heart that believed in goodness even when it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't returned. Morgan Geyser, the ringleader, was quiet, artistic and imaginative,

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<v Speaker 2>traits that hid the darkness blooming inside her mind. And

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<v Speaker 2>as a weir, the new girl, awkward and lonely, was

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<v Speaker 2>desperate for belonging. Together, they formed a triangle of innocence

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<v Speaker 2>that would collapse under the weight of obsession. But to

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<v Speaker 2>understand how this tragedy happened, you have to start where

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<v Speaker 2>it all began. Not in Wakesha, Wisconsin, but on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Slenderband was never real. He was born on a forum

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<v Speaker 2>called Something Awful back in two thousand and nine, the

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<v Speaker 2>brainchild of a user named Victor Surge real name Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Knudsen with a silent k. The contest that year challenged

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<v Speaker 2>creators to edit normal photographs into something eerie and paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric's obmission was simple. A tall, faceless man in a

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<v Speaker 2>dark suit standing among children. The creature had no eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>no mouth, no expression, just a blank white face. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the kind of image that didn't need gore to

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<v Speaker 2>be terrifying. It worked its way under your skin pro

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<v Speaker 2>decisely because it could be real, and people loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Within days, other users added their own stories, photos, and

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<v Speaker 2>supposed sightings. Slender Man became a legend, a digital myth,

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<v Speaker 2>spreading like wildfire across forums, blogs and YouTube creepy pasta videos.

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<v Speaker 2>The story was always the sting. He stalked, abducted, and

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<v Speaker 2>traumatized children, appearing in the woods without warning, and the

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<v Speaker 2>more you believed in him, the more power he supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>had over you. For adults, it was harmless horror fiction,

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<v Speaker 2>but for children, especially impressionable ones, it was something else entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>By twenty twelve, slender Man had gone viral. He appeared

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<v Speaker 2>in games like Slender the eight Pages, a simply yet

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying concept where players wandered through the woods collecting pages

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<v Speaker 2>while avoiding the faceless beings. Kids who couldn't download the

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<v Speaker 2>game traded rumors and YouTube clips, whispering about the monster

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods, and that is how Morgan Geyser discovered him.

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan was eleven when she first stumbled across slender Man.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, it was innocent curiosity, just another spooky story.

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<v Speaker 2>But for Morgan, fiction and reality blurred quickly. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>just like slender Man. She believed in him. She read

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<v Speaker 2>about his supposed proxies, his powers, his home deep in

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin's Nicolete National Forest, a detail that would later take

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<v Speaker 2>on shilling significance. Her mother, Angie, thought it was harmless.

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<v Speaker 2>Angie later said, I wasn't concerned when I was her age.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading Stephen King. She thought her daughter's fascination

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<v Speaker 2>was just an overactive imagination. What she didn't know was

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<v Speaker 2>that Morgan's imagination wasn't just vivid, It was fractured. When

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan watched Bambi as a child, she didn't cry like

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<v Speaker 2>most kids did. She laughed, Run, Babby, Run, She'd shout.

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<v Speaker 2>When Bambi's mother was shot, her mother remembered sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>in a stun silence, realizing her daughter felt nothing, no empathy,

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<v Speaker 2>no fear, just excitement. At the time, they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what that meant. Years later, doctors would diagnose Morgan with

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<v Speaker 2>early onset schizophrenia, a rare, a rare, devastating mental illness

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<v Speaker 2>she likely inherited from her father. But at eleven, she

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<v Speaker 2>was just a little girl who believed in monsters, and

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<v Speaker 2>slender Man was about to become the most real thing

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<v Speaker 2>in her world. Then came Anisa Wire. She was the

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<v Speaker 2>new girl in Morgan's sixth grade class, shy and lonely

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<v Speaker 2>and just as lost in online horror. When she found

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<v Speaker 2>out that Morgan believed in slender Man, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>finding a twin flame. The two bonded instantly, not over

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<v Speaker 2>makeup or boys, but over a fictional murderer in the suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Their friendship quickly became toxic, a shared delusion that grew

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadows of the Internet. They spent hours reading

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<v Speaker 2>Creepy Pasta's stories and watching slender Man videos, and the

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<v Speaker 2>more they consumed, the more real it became. Peyton noticed

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<v Speaker 2>the change. Her best friend was slipping away, talking less,

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<v Speaker 2>laughing less, and spending all of her time with Anissa.

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<v Speaker 2>The warmth that once connected them was replaced with cold obsession.

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton didn't like slender Man. She told Morgan that it

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<v Speaker 2>scared her, but Morgan brushed her off, calling her weak.

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<v Speaker 2>That was when the kindness that made Peyton special became

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<v Speaker 2>her downfall. She didn't want to abandon Morgan. She felt

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<v Speaker 2>sorry for her, so she stayed loyal, trusting, and complete,

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<v Speaker 2>unaware that her friend had already begun planning her death.

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<v Speaker 2>The planning began in December of twenty thirteen. Morgan and

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<v Speaker 2>Nanissa spent five months plotting the murder. They gave it

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<v Speaker 2>code names. The knife was called quote unquote, cracker. The

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<v Speaker 2>murder itself was called itch quote unquote, So when talking

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<v Speaker 2>in public, they'd say things like we need to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the cracker or when are we going to itch her?

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds crazy, absurd, like something out of a child's imagination,

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<v Speaker 2>but to them it was deadly serious. Their goal to

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<v Speaker 2>become Slender Man's proxies. They believed if they killed someone,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically Peyton, it would prove their loyalty and earn them

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<v Speaker 2>a place in his mansion in the Nicolette National Forest.

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<v Speaker 2>They even packed for the journey, granola bars, water and

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<v Speaker 2>close stuffed in a backpack. They were twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 2>The night before the attack May thirtieth, twenty thirteen seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like any other sleepover. It was Morgan's twelfth birthday. So

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan's a Gemini. Oh figure, I wanted to throw that out.

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<v Speaker 1>That tracks, Yes, all of them exactly, semini listeners. My

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<v Speaker 1>husband is a Gemini. Yes, the person I love the

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<v Speaker 1>most besides my child night.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, that makes her a Gemini. So it's Morgan's

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth birthday. And the girls went roller skating at Skateland, laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>eating pizza, you know, do what kids do. To Peyton,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just another night with her friends. She even

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<v Speaker 2>brought her American Girl doll. Adorable. These kids are eleven. Yes, ruscious. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm too old to like have had one

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<v Speaker 1>as a child, I think, or yes, or my parents

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I know right, But when I had my daughter, I

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping she'd want one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course she didn't, so that is I love that

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<v Speaker 2>you can just customize them, you know, they're wonderful dolls. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can swing it. Morgan and Nissa had originally

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<v Speaker 2>planned to kill her that night, to tape her mouth

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<v Speaker 2>shut as she slept and stabber in the neck, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were too tired, so they postponed it till the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning, and when the sun rose over Wakesha the

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare began. They started the day eating donuts and strawberries

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<v Speaker 2>for breakfast. Morgan asked her mother if they could go

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<v Speaker 2>to the park to play. She said, yes, of course

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<v Speaker 2>she did. It was a beautiful Saturday, what could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>go wrong. The girls walked toward David's Park, a quiet

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<v Speaker 2>wooded area about a mile away. Along the way, Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>lifted her jacket to show a Nissa the knife she'd

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<v Speaker 2>taken from her kitchen, a five inch blade. Anissa nodded

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<v Speaker 2>it was time. When they reached the park, they lured

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton into the bathroom, telling her that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>play hide and seek, and once inside, Anissa tried to

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<v Speaker 2>slam Peyton's head into the concrete wall, hoping to knock

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<v Speaker 2>her out, but Peyton fought back, screaming she was confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan hesitated, she couldn't do it, not yet, so they

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton followed them, trusting them because that's what friends, good

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<v Speaker 2>friends do in the woods, the trees swallowed the sunlight

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<v Speaker 2>and the girls walked deeper until the sound of the

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<v Speaker 2>road disappeared. Lie down, Nissa told Peyton. She said it

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<v Speaker 2>was to hide from the seekers, and Peyton obeyed. Lying

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<v Speaker 2>Moments later, Morgan, I'm on top of Peyton whispered, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry, and began stabbing nineteen times. Two wounds hit

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<v Speaker 2>to stop, but they didn't, and when it was over,

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<v Speaker 2>her to lay still, that they were going to go

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<v Speaker 2>get help, but that was a lie. They left her

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<v Speaker 2>there to die. Peyton somehow didn't. She crawled out of

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<v Speaker 2>the dispatcher. When asked who did it, Peyton whispered, my

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<v Speaker 2>best friend. When first responders arrived, they thought they were

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a murder scene. Peyton's wounds were so deep

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<v Speaker 2>her white shirt had turned crimson, Her hair clung to

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<v Speaker 2>She was in shock, barely breathing, whispering that she had

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<v Speaker 2>she told the paramedics. They didn't mean it, but they did.

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<v Speaker 2>The paramedics rushed her to pro Health Jakisha Memorial Hospital. There,

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<v Speaker 2>trauma surgeons performed a six hour surgery. One stab woman

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<v Speaker 2>a human hair. Her doctor later said, if it had

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<v Speaker 2>while Peyton was fighting for her life, Morgan and Anissa

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<v Speaker 2>were walking. They treked down the highway covered in dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>their clothes smeared with blood, believing that They were on

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<v Speaker 2>was hidden deep within Nicolette National Forests, about three hours north.

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<v Speaker 2>Police found them five hours later. They were trudging along

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<v Speaker 2>inter State ninety four carrying a backpack filled with Granada bars,

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<v Speaker 2>water bottles, extra clothes, and the five inch kitchen knife.

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<v Speaker 2>When the officers stopped them, neither girl resisted. Morgan's first

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<v Speaker 2>question was is she dead? When the officer told her

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't know, Morgan calmly said, I was just wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>They were both taken to the Wakesha Police Department for questioning,

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<v Speaker 2>and what came out in those interrogation rooms would haunt

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<v Speaker 2>even the most seasoned detectives. Morgan sat slouched in a

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<v Speaker 2>small chair, wearing pink leggings and a hoodie. Her hair

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<v Speaker 2>detective began gently asking what happened. Morgan shrugged. We had

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, She said. Why did you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do it? She replied, because we had to protect our

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<v Speaker 2>families from slender Man. He watches you, he can read

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<v Speaker 2>your mind. He told us we had to prove ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>She said it like she was explaining the rules of

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<v Speaker 2>a game. When asked how she felt during the attack,

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan replied, it was weird. I felt nothing. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I would, but I didn't. I felt nothing. The detective

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<v Speaker 2>asked how she could stab her best friend. Morgan tilted

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<v Speaker 2>her head and said, people who trust you become very gullible.

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<v Speaker 2>We led her there and tricked her, and then she giggled,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a sound that chills you to the core.

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<v Speaker 2>Innocent on the surface, but empty underneath. Now Anissa's interrogation

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<v Speaker 2>in the next room, Nissa broke down almost immediately. Tears

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<v Speaker 2>streamed down her face as she tried to explain something

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<v Speaker 2>that made no sense. Slender Man told us to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, if we didn't, he would kill our families.

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<v Speaker 2>And she described how they believed Slenderband lived in a

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<v Speaker 2>mansion in the woods, that after they killed Peyton, they

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to walk there and become his servants. She

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<v Speaker 2>told detectives about the code words cracker for knife, itch

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<v Speaker 2>for killing. They'd use them in class during lunch, whispering

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<v Speaker 2>their plan in plain sight, and Nissa admitted she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>stab Peyton. That was Morgan's job, but she said that

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<v Speaker 2>she was the one who told Morgan to start. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>go ballistic, go crazy at one point, and Nissa said

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<v Speaker 2>something so bizarre that detectives later said they stopped writing

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment. She said, I didn't want to, but

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<v Speaker 2>Slenderman said that he could teleport, and he watches you

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. You can't hide from him. The detective asked,

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<v Speaker 2>do you really believe he's real? And Nissa nodded, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen him in my dreams. When investigators searched Morgan's bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>they found notebooks filled with drawings of slender Man, tall faced,

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<v Speaker 2>lik tentacled, alongside scribbled words he watches, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like you and killed to please. There were mutilated dolls,

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<v Speaker 2>Internet searches for how to get away with murder and

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of insane am I? It was honestly enough

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<v Speaker 2>to chill any parents alive? Yeah, serious, Tully, Draja dropping. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton survived. When she woke up after surgery, her first

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<v Speaker 2>question to police was did they catch them? She couldn't talk,

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<v Speaker 2>so she wrote Morgan and Annissa's name on the whiteboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors called her recovery a miracle. Her mother described her

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<v Speaker 2>as the bravest kid I've ever seen, but the physical

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<v Speaker 2>wounds were nothing compared to the emotional ones. She had nightmares, flashbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>and panic attacks for years, as you can imagine, oh

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<v Speaker 2>wat For months, she slept with scissors under her pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>She couldn't walk alone, She couldn't trust anyone. Her mother

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<v Speaker 2>said she lost more than blood that day, she lost

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<v Speaker 2>her innocence. Both Morgan and Anissa were charged as adults

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<v Speaker 2>with first degree intentional homicide. The decision shocked many. They

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<v Speaker 2>were twelve, They couldn't drive, couldn't vote, but under Wisconsin law,

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<v Speaker 2>attempted murder automatically triggers adult court. Their mugshots look like

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<v Speaker 2>yearbook photos, pigtails, baby fat, vacant eyes. Neither seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>understand the gravity of what they've done. The trials the

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<v Speaker 2>legal process dragged on for years. Morgan was eventually diagnosed

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<v Speaker 2>with early onset schizophrenia, the same illness her father suffered from.

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<v Speaker 2>Experts testified she heard voices, saw hallucination, saw hallucinations, and

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<v Speaker 2>truly believed slender Man was real. Anissa was diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 2>delusional disorder, and while she didn't suffer hallucinations, she was

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<v Speaker 2>so psychologically dependent on Morgan that she adopted her beliefs entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>Both girls were found not guilty by reason of mental

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<v Speaker 2>disease or defect in twenty seventeen Morgan. In twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan was sentenced to up to forty years in a

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<v Speaker 2>mental health facility, the Winnebagel the Winnebago Mental Health Institute

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<v Speaker 2>in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Annisa received twenty five years, with a

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<v Speaker 2>minimum of three before possible release. During sentencing, Peyton's mother

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<v Speaker 2>spoke through tears. Our daughter slept with scissors for years.

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<v Speaker 2>She looks over her shoulder. What they what they did,

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<v Speaker 2>can't be undone. Morgan's mother, Angie, wept two. I love

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter, but I am so sorry, she said, for Peyton,

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone in the aftermath. Anisaware was released in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one under strict supervision. Her condition includes GPS tracking

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and no contact with Morgan or Peyton. Morgan remains

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<v Speaker 2>institutionalized though her attorney. Though her attorneys continue to petition

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<v Speaker 2>for periodic reviews. Both now live as adults, young women

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<v Speaker 2>shaped by an act so horrifying it nearly defies belief. Peyton,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, survived not only the knife but

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<v Speaker 2>the trauma. In a two thousand and nineteen interview, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I still sleep with my door locked, but I'm stronger now.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to me made me who I am by

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. By twenty twenty, she was a senior in

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<v Speaker 2>high school, bright grounded, determined to go into medicine. She

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<v Speaker 2>said the attack inspired her to help others survive the impossible,

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<v Speaker 2>and her words were simple but powerful. I'll forgive them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll never forget. The slender Man stabbing wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>a cry, it was a mirror. It showed how imagination,

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<v Speaker 2>when mixed with mental illness and isolation, can become deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>It exposed the dark side of internet mythology, how something

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<v Speaker 2>created for entertainment could spiral into obsession, delusion, and violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the center of it all is one truth.

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<v Speaker 2>A twelve year old girl crawled out of the woods

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<v Speaker 2>that day and lived, and that survival, as brutal as

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<v Speaker 2>it came, is what defines this story. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible, Yeah, that story was I remember when this happened

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe sod Or your daughter around the same

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<v Speaker 1>age as these girls. Yes, and I know my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>knew who Slenderman was. Did yours. No, she no, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know, like I remember hearing the creepy pasta

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and whatever, but yeah, that's crazy. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>all the details about it. So Anissa got out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was released in like under very strict supervision

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<v Speaker 2>with her, you know, like the mental to just just

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<v Speaker 2>totally believe what someone else believes in that delusional and

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<v Speaker 2>now their thoughts become your thoughts. Right, that's really horrible. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when the originating thoughts are so toxic, it's so self destructive. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very easy. You're only gonna, you know, destroy yourselves. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just incredible the early onsets because Sophrana frenia. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why I struggle with that word. Okay, schizophrenia,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and to be I've really never heard of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who has been found ments. I don't really think

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<v Speaker 2>of a can't think of anything where it pops out

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<v Speaker 2>of my head. It's like, oh, they're institutionalized. Oh who

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<v Speaker 2>is it who attempted Reagan?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Hinkley, Hinkley.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he still in?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he might be out? I think yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've let him out in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>He must be under supervis I can't imagine someonere like that,

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<v Speaker 2>living alone by himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right. No, I think we did one other story

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<v Speaker 1>a really long time ago, and I remember that person,

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<v Speaker 1>the perpetrator was hospitalized you know, okay, due to mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right, we've done some We've done some crazy

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<v Speaker 1>ass stories, like the most insane, disgusting, horrendous stories, and

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<v Speaker 1>most of them are not found you know, mentally insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they're all yeah, they're all found pretty much competent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because it's a defense. I think they get

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<v Speaker 1>to use the lot. But you know how hard it

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<v Speaker 1>is to prove that someone doesn't understand the gravity of

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing when they're doing it. Like, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's almost that's truly. Yeah, yeah, that's trying to prove

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, there's a Santa Claus or something to me,

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<v Speaker 1>like like the trying to prove it is really difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>The burden is so high to try and prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's and that's why.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems like courts will wait, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, like, oh, she's not competent to stand trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a month later he's competent.

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<v Speaker 1>He's competent. Yeah, exactly, like, okay, let's get let's get

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<v Speaker 1>some more evaluation done until one says he's he's not

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<v Speaker 1>he's competent, right, yeah, they wait, Wow, I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan is getting some.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever hell there is for that. Yes, anfe place is safe,

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<v Speaker 2>but an affects so many lives. Her mom, angie, she's devastated.

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<v Speaker 2>I can Yeah, your own child does something awful, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's just like that mother love, but then there's mother

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<v Speaker 2>love for the people that they've hurt, so right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure her mother thinks like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if I would have, you know, saw the signs

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that's what I would think, right that if

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<v Speaker 1>my child has early on set schizophrenia, you know, oh

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I should have seen the signs there, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Bambi story, right, But you kind of file that away

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<v Speaker 1>like huh, yeah, you think maybe your kid is like

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<v Speaker 1>a weird kid or something, right, you just like you're

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<v Speaker 1>average a weird kid. But yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what and it's not even like exactly there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing you don't know this is coming. I know, like

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<v Speaker 2>growing up with my mom, like she would use the

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<v Speaker 2>lay with I love her, but my gud when I

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<v Speaker 2>come home from school and all of my drawers in

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<v Speaker 2>my closet has been flipped ye, like it's a like

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<v Speaker 2>a prison. And my mom's like, oh, you didn't put

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<v Speaker 2>your your your shirts away nicely, so now you can

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<v Speaker 2>put everything away. No, you were going through my shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you would have found my mutilated dollas and my

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<v Speaker 2>because that woman would go through everything, as you know

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<v Speaker 2>moms canon do, right, But so I couldn't keep any

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't keep any drawings. My god. She found my

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<v Speaker 2>diary when I was yeah, I think I was about

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<v Speaker 2>eleven twelve, and I had started using saucy spicy words

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, Derek's a dick, and actually writing out

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<v Speaker 2>the word dick seemed very woot ass all. And my

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<v Speaker 2>mom found it and she's all like, oh, deck's a deck,

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, I'm never writing anything down again. I

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<v Speaker 2>just recently started journaling, so you know, it takes about

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<v Speaker 2>forty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I remember I got I got the worst

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<v Speaker 1>banking of my life, well, one of the worst bankings

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<v Speaker 1>of my life. I used to go to Sunday school

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<v Speaker 1>and I was probably like nine, and the Sunday school

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<v Speaker 1>bus would come pick me up like my parents wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go to school with like go to church with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was this church that was crossed the highway

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sunday school bus would come pick me up.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to stay for the sermon and then

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<v Speaker 1>it would drop me back off at home. Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>Well one day I brought like a cousin with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the sermons are boring. No nine year

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<v Speaker 1>old wants to sit through whatever they were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>so he so I had a little purse and I

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<v Speaker 1>would have like connect the dots or whatever little booklets

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<v Speaker 1>you know of games. Well, we started thinking up every

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<v Speaker 1>swear word we could think of church, and I left

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<v Speaker 1>it in my purse apparently, and when I came home

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<v Speaker 1>from school when my parents found it, my dad had

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<v Speaker 1>it taped on a ping pong paddle and I got

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<v Speaker 1>my ass when that ping pong pand ping pong paddle.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a classic boomer move, they got to set

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<v Speaker 2>the fear of God, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't remember like what they said, but I

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<v Speaker 1>remember like, oh, oh, you're making.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, is this what you're what we're sending you

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<v Speaker 2>a church for? No, you're sending me to church, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you dare make it seem like it's a blessing. You're

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<v Speaker 2>sending me to church. You want me out of your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>This is classic Boomer guarantee. Send you on a butt.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it that you come home. And Tanya. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you guys, she's like the sweetest kid. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like the best daughter you could possibly ask for, wonderful student.

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<v Speaker 2>Give her of the community volunteerism at nine years old?

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<v Speaker 2>At nine years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I got my ass beat.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so and it's not funny. It's only funny

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<v Speaker 2>because we're gen X. I would never be like what

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<v Speaker 2>they do to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I never beat my child. Yeah. I don't even think

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<v Speaker 1>she ever got spanked once. So I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not advocating beating your kid. No, this is you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>gen X, we all got our.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my goodness, that was the worst of the treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, But what a difference between these girls

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<v Speaker 2>and the access to just unable to decipher realism from fantasy?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Actually, oh, just craziness, so so much Shannon for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we go, if everyone could hit the subscriber follow

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<v Speaker 1>need to update that. It's Crimes Andconsequences dot com. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because the real monsters, they don't live in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>They live in the stories that we tell ourselves absol

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep at night. So yes, be a joy to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on this journey with us, because we were

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<v Speaker 2>just looking up crime Con for next year.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looks like we're gonna we're gonna try and

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<v Speaker 1>plan to go to crime Con when it's in the

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas babe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I've never been on fifty five, never been

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<v Speaker 2>to Vegas. You guys, you got to show me a

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<v Speaker 2>good time when we're out here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know tyng is gonna know yeah, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to Vegas a bunch of times. But when we went

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<v Speaker 1>to crime Con it was in Vegas, so I uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have to plan for it, all right, you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone again and love you Shamma, I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Love your Chica till we meet again. Ay bye.