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<v Speaker 1>He's the Comical Podcast, Episode four eighty on brand Om.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Ryn and we're gonna bust some more brackets and

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<v Speaker 1>change the game now in our tame. Hey Ryan, We're

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<v Speaker 1>back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How you doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>What is going down?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole ton is going down. We're gonna revisit our

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<v Speaker 1>topic from last week when we talked about the new

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<v Speaker 1>bracket system that's in it's beta being tested out a

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<v Speaker 1>few days ago at magic Fest Chicago. I'm sure by

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<v Speaker 1>now Real Life US has had many updates on how

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<v Speaker 1>it worked and things that the members of the nation

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<v Speaker 1>that we're there would like to change, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that maybe on the pre show next week or

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<v Speaker 1>possibly on the show next week, depending on how things go.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we can get to any of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to thank our official business, Daddy's Fusion Gaming

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<v Speaker 1>Online dot Com are your source for all your gaming needs,

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<v Speaker 1>where you can use special promo code c CEO holiday

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<v Speaker 1>to save yourself five percent, save yourself five percent off

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<v Speaker 1>all the things that you're gonna buy anyway. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get it anyway, you might as well spend less money.

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<v Speaker 2>Own it very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So we also have to thank Pilo Bones Brewing Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the second coolest thing to come out of Regina,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as being the official beer sponsor for c

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<v Speaker 1>CEO Sidewalks Slam Theason three we'miering February twenty eighth right

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<v Speaker 1>here on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, so many things whole mild. Yeah, Magic Con Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>We're not there. That sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that does kind of sud I want another upside

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<v Speaker 1>down pizza now that we've talked about it. I wanted one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the first thing I did want. One second thing

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<v Speaker 2>big Thanks to producer Gary the damn Media Media Media

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<v Speaker 2>Studio Network Studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much so, and links to Duffer and AB Media

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes below wherever you find the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Pile of Bones. We drank some after we played Sidewalk

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<v Speaker 2>Slam the other day and it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>great episode. Funny intro. All the players got their own

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<v Speaker 2>little intro. I'm excited to show it off. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about with people in the nation. The play

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes because there was a bunch of them right in

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<v Speaker 2>a row at the end of the game. None of

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<v Speaker 2>which actually really affected the outcome of the game, because

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<v Speaker 2>how it ended is still how it ended.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because of what happened happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I tell you and show you where they were,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, God, damn it, Oh Jesus Christ, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>we're so stupid, because there was three of them right

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<v Speaker 2>in a row yep. And Editor Tyler worked on it

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<v Speaker 2>and pointed them all out and was like, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually matter. So Feb twenty eight, watch on the Discord,

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<v Speaker 2>watch on the Patreon feed, and all the socials. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>big thanks to the patrons. Yeah, Patreon dot com, Slash

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<v Speaker 2>CEO podcast. We wouldn't be here without you guys. And

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<v Speaker 2>we have started talking about and a little bit planning

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<v Speaker 2>the next few CEO experiences. We've got for sure on

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<v Speaker 2>the horizon. Magic Con Las Vegas, yeah, our favorite one ever. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got magic Con Atlanta in September.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is super cool.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been scoping out flights from our part of Canada

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<v Speaker 2>and it looks like it's gonna be relatively affordable for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been looking at face to face games, tour stops,

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<v Speaker 2>the two and the three day stops. We've been looking

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<v Speaker 2>at Red Deer, We've been looking at Montreal, We've been

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<v Speaker 2>looking at They just had Ottawa a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago that I missed Atawa. Yeah, and then in November,

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<v Speaker 2>way at the end of the year, there's Calgary, which

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<v Speaker 2>we always do go to and have a gay old time.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't they have Calgary when it's nice so we

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<v Speaker 1>can go to the zoo. You probably wouldn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>the zoo, but I would go to the zoo because

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<v Speaker 1>I like the zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, usually wherever we stay is kind of close to

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<v Speaker 2>the zoo. It wasn't the last time because it was

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<v Speaker 2>winter and we just went back to the to the house. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But Calgary always a great time and of course always

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<v Speaker 2>great to be on the Canadian tour with Fusion is

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<v Speaker 2>there and face to face and they put us up

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a great, great time. We do lots

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<v Speaker 2>of giveaways and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They put us up and then they put up with us,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>The second one, yes, yes, because we turn it into

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<v Speaker 2>a CEO experience, which I am in the discord. Gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start a Vegas planning channel pretty quick here because that

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the main and probably best benefits to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a Patreon supporter.

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<v Speaker 1>See we missed last year too, so you'd better be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for a bender and a half baby. Yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I say bender, of course, I mean we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>drink some beer and play magic like fucking nerds. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll probably eat some pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>And everything there closes so early.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you want to go eat someone in Las Vegas, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like the casinos are open and.

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<v Speaker 2>What you high it never closes.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to go and like sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and have like a burger the size of your fucking head,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go before eight o'clock or the shit's closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. You know what, I'm not super high on going

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<v Speaker 2>and standing in line to go to like the restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>on the strip. I really like finding the places off

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<v Speaker 2>the strip and or like I've done in the past

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<v Speaker 2>but has never come to fruition except for maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>time it will where we book a venue to play

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<v Speaker 2>after hours because you know, like sometimes the hall closes

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<v Speaker 2>or everybody wants to leave the hall to eat, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they don't want to catch a cab back.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, hey, mister restaurant where you have awesome food?

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<v Speaker 2>And like one hundred different beers on tap. If I

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<v Speaker 2>bring like twenty nerds that want to eat and drink beer,

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<v Speaker 2>can we play magic cards on your tables until three?

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, absolutely, we would love for you to

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<v Speaker 2>come and do that. We'll have specials and this and

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<v Speaker 2>this and this, and it's like, hey, that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect idea to do. Coco experience, hack openings, make

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<v Speaker 2>little shorts videos, oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>And drink beer and I can take an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half to eat a single burger.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think that I'm making that up, I've

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<v Speaker 1>done it.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to eat by yourself, not be distracted, and

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<v Speaker 2>don't even eat in the same cities that I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because I can't stand eating with you. Why could

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<v Speaker 2>you take an hour and a half?

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<v Speaker 1>Stee one, Well, I just carry it around with me

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<v Speaker 1>when I change tables.

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<v Speaker 2>If I see you doing that, I'm gonna splat it

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<v Speaker 2>out of your hand onto the ground and make you

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<v Speaker 2>pick it up with your ass cheeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall I shall? You can see it on YouTube if

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<v Speaker 2>you're watching them, which should be there. It is. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Joe made me into Red Hulk for that.

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<v Speaker 2>One, because like Green Hulk or Bust Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Hulk sequel came out and they didn't have Hulk

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah and Red Hulk. Yeah, that's it. Okay, last

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<v Speaker 2>thing before we talk about game changers and stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are deliberating on the final design for

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<v Speaker 2>CCEO sleeves. Yes, coming up. I want to launch the

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<v Speaker 2>Kickstarter in what's the in March?

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<v Speaker 1>March is the next month coming up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, and I'm excited. I want to give people,

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<v Speaker 2>like I want to make stuff that people are interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been years of people saying, hey, when's sleeves,

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<v Speaker 2>when's sleeves? Well, so now sleeps frickin' now. So once

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<v Speaker 2>we get it live and you know how people do

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<v Speaker 2>like countdowns before kickstarters start, We're going to put those

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<v Speaker 2>links out there and everybody can follow or do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you do with Kickstarter. I never knew, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>guess people like shop on Kickstarter. What Yeah, Like they

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<v Speaker 2>just go there to see what's available, like what new

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<v Speaker 2>games are stuff? Can I like look at or follow

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<v Speaker 2>to see if it's going on? Huh yeah, blew my.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind and that must be rough because like you go

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<v Speaker 1>and you want this big shoppings, You're like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>would make a great present for so and so and

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<v Speaker 1>such and such or such and such. It doesn't show

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<v Speaker 1>up for two fucking years because you know manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm looking to run the kickstarter for a

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<v Speaker 2>month and have it delivered or at least out for

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<v Speaker 2>delivery by May.

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<v Speaker 1>That means you'll have it for when we see in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, bonus points if I can just give tea in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas and save on the exorbitant shipping prices from Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, but then we have that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the idea. Come on, this is me contributing.

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<v Speaker 1>Shamn' yes, straighten my shirt business.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you that, okay business, Brando. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel after you've spent at least one day at the

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<v Speaker 2>LGS talking about playing with or modifying decks or playing

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<v Speaker 2>against modified decks as a result of Commander Brack and

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<v Speaker 2>Game Changers.

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<v Speaker 1>I have altered nothing about my life. Oh and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I think telling everybody that my bellow

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<v Speaker 1>deck is one which it technically is is funny, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think overall, once we got passed that my

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<v Speaker 1>deck is one conversation, I think that we actually did

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<v Speaker 1>have some very enlightening conversations about people. I learned something

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<v Speaker 1>about myself. Oh my boy, Thomas, and I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about just a second. Sure, but I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>think that it works. I think that the bracket discussion

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<v Speaker 1>and especially the game changer list needs some refining, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're actually onto something here. I really do

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<v Speaker 1>think that this is It sounds oh, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>the power scale every day. It's free, but it's I

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<v Speaker 1>really do think that this is a as far as

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<v Speaker 1>a tool goes. I actually like using it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's actual rules. It's not just subjectively what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about, like how it fits into the power

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<v Speaker 2>range of your decks. This deck is my one, this

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<v Speaker 2>duck's my ten, ah, this duck's my seven. No, there's

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<v Speaker 2>actual hard and fast rules. Now, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get into it because we talked extensively about it last

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<v Speaker 2>week for like an hour and a half over two

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<v Speaker 2>different episodes. We're going to talk about our own experiences

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<v Speaker 2>now that we've I've made some deck changes and really

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<v Speaker 2>re theorized a few of my decks, and you've played

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<v Speaker 2>and talked with the CCIO Dude Bros drank beer about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So okay, what did you learn about yourself from

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas of Sidewalk Slam.

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<v Speaker 1>Fame Thomas of Sidewalk Slam Fame Yep, Fame, Yep, which

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<v Speaker 1>you can see February twenty eight Fool Very Good on

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<v Speaker 1>this YouTube channel. He was talking about what makes a

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<v Speaker 1>one a one and he said, Okay, they're more jankie

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<v Speaker 1>and meant to be fun. And like, in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking all decks are janky and meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>fun if you build them to be and fun. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But then he hit me with the line that I

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<v Speaker 1>also heard a few other creators using when the brackets

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<v Speaker 1>first came out, and that's they're not built with a

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<v Speaker 2>H It's a strange thing too, And I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna tell you I don't like that. So if anybody

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<v Speaker 1>ever sits down with me says this is my war or.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't like that, I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So if somebody sits down across from you and

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<v Speaker 1>they say this is my deck. It's a one, and

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<v Speaker 1>you say, okay, well what does it do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it just kind of plays things and doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>I also don't think that that actually exists, Like why

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<v Speaker 2>would agree? I don't agree with it doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would you build a deck that isn't designed

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<v Speaker 1>to win a game of magic? The gathering, like, why

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing that? Does it have interaction in it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it going to prevent me from not winning or

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<v Speaker 1>from winning the game while you go about your business

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<v Speaker 1>of not winning? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing here? Are you wasting my time?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's ironic that? You know what? Oh? Very much?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what's ironic and kind of funny? Tell

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<v Speaker 2>me is that when brackets first came out, everybody was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the different? True four and five? Why is there

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<v Speaker 2>a four and a five? Why is four and five right?

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<v Speaker 2>Why isn't CD it's its own fucking format, all the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff right, Like it has been for years at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>and now that we're two or three weeks into it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing all the conversation and discourse about level one

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<v Speaker 2>A like, it's even gonna matter y and b man,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if you have to ask what a one is,

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<v Speaker 2>just like if you have to ask what a five is,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a one. You don't have a one.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a one that is specifically made out of

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<v Speaker 2>cheap cards that I know are gonna get wrecked, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care because I'm gonna play them on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor with CEO people at a magic con that have

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<v Speaker 2>all of the Lord of the Rings cards that I

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<v Speaker 2>can fit in that aren't worth money. Like that's the stipulation.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to be cheap and they need to be

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<v Speaker 2>from the Lord of the Ring set. I do have

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<v Speaker 2>a wind con in it, though, of course I've got

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<v Speaker 2>big creatures because there's some big orcs and trolls, and

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<v Speaker 2>it does have an aristocrat some theme as a backup

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<v Speaker 2>way to just get the life totals going down, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the deck functions, and I didn't make any changes

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<v Speaker 2>to that deck as a result of brackets coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one of the ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I barely even changed my mindset with the brackets, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honest, Oh, like I went through. I took one

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<v Speaker 1>game change out of one deck to again make it

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<v Speaker 1>a one, and during the game I won the game.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, Now it's not a brag, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did win a game with a one against a three

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<v Speaker 1>and a three and a two, and uh, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a how is that a one? And this deck it's

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<v Speaker 1>vanafar Uz Lady from Murders at Carliff manor every card

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<v Speaker 1>in it, every creature in it is either like a

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<v Speaker 1>colorless cheerio creature that I can just play for free,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's either manifested or morphed or cloaked or dreaded

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like facedown deck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're colorless and Vanifart makes them bigger, which

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<v Speaker 1>is fun, and I think that that's pretty cool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a super janky way to play cards. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any of the tokens, so I keep forgetting which ones

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<v Speaker 1>are which? Yeah, can I target that one? Is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have ward? Is it a real creature? When it dies?

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<v Speaker 1>That go to your hand? What the hell is this?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's garbage, right, But like having those conversations

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<v Speaker 1>is just it? It helps, man, I'm telling you, I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask you a couple of questions. Okay, not having the

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<v Speaker 2>tokens doesn't make your deck less powerful. No, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly something to keep in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It it's just a reminder thing like some of these

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<v Speaker 1>have ward now and you can't tell and oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously all of the requirements to be a one,

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<v Speaker 2>or specifically to not be a two or three are

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<v Speaker 2>in place for you to call that deck a one.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the letter of the law, it's a one. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>with your intention your intentions for the deck is to

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<v Speaker 2>not optimize, face down or zero ability creatures. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>intention to optimize or to make it better. Now, is

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<v Speaker 2>the deck less more or the same power level as

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<v Speaker 2>a pre con It would get hammered by a modern

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<v Speaker 2>modern precon. Okay, that's a great parameter because level two

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<v Speaker 2>core is the power level of a modern pre cones. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do something taboo that we never freaking

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<v Speaker 2>do and we've very specifically not done it and made

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<v Speaker 2>jokes about it. But now that we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a slave to this anymore, what power level from

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<v Speaker 2>one to ten would you put that deck on now

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't have to use that system anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven. Every deck is seven. Gotcha? I gotcha? Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay seven, and thereby demonstrating why this system is better

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<v Speaker 2>than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Precisely we did it. We just we showed everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's a one. Now. I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>things that I want to either clarify, reiterate, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>bring to light for the first time okay since we've

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<v Speaker 2>started talking about this, sure, And the first one is

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<v Speaker 2>about honesty. Yes, honesty, we talk about it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be a dick, don't be an asshole, be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with your opponents, don't trend scumback anybody that ain't what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard Corey yesterday. Actually he sat down with three

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<v Speaker 1>guys that he hadn't played with before. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you've played with and the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you were there you played with them was the guy

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<v Speaker 1>with the birthmark oh yeah, yeah, yep, good dude. And

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<v Speaker 1>two other dudes I'd never seen before. And they were talking.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like talking power level and what their decks

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<v Speaker 1>do or whatever, and Corey was like, look, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>playing for stakes here, Like, there's no reason to be

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<v Speaker 1>shifty about what your deck does, just tell me and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll play a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeoh, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, yeah, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, be honest, and that's important when you're talking to others.

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<v Speaker 2>But specifically, what I mean is it's tough to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with yourself. And my note is it's tough to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest about your deck's power level, both when the

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<v Speaker 2>deck isn't as good as you think it is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and when it's better than you think it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>that should dictate a where you tell people it falls into,

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<v Speaker 2>like what bracket falls into, but also how you tweak,

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<v Speaker 2>in tune or dtune the deck. So with a few

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<v Speaker 2>of my decks, okay, I was like, man, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that this deck is actually that good, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>got one or two game changers in it, immediately putting

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<v Speaker 2>it in bracket three. And I'm like, this deck ain't

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<v Speaker 2>Bracket three. It barely wins at my F and M

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm playing against like brand new players that have

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<v Speaker 2>never played that, who've modified their pre cons and made

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<v Speaker 2>it worse, Like this deck is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not good, yeah, they make their deck worse. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, I can't in good faith say that

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<v Speaker 2>this deck's a two because it's got two or three

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<v Speaker 2>game changers and a bunch of tutors in it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fucking take those cards out and make my

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<v Speaker 2>deck an actual two no game changers, no redundancy in

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<v Speaker 2>the tutor slot, sure, no early combos, all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm honest about my deck not being very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>So it almost makes me feel like, why try Why

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<v Speaker 2>include these cards that obviously give players like a sour

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<v Speaker 2>taste or a bad experience. When one card out of

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine isn't going to move the needle, now I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. At the same time, Well, if the one

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<v Speaker 2>card is not going to move the needle, why do

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<v Speaker 2>I have to take it out? Yeah, because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>the rule is. Now, that's what the bracket rule is.

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<v Speaker 2>And if one card's okay, it's two cards okay, it's three, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's four okay. Because now we're not talking about is

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<v Speaker 2>my deck a two or three four game changers? Is

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between my deck being a two or three

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<v Speaker 2>or a four and now I'm jumping up two brackets.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of running one or two in my deck

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously sucks, I'm just gonna run freaking nune and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a two.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a two.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a two. And I don't have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a two based on modern pre cons because

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<v Speaker 2>it ain't as good as modern precns. It's a two

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<v Speaker 2>based on the life cycle of a pre con from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven twenty twenty five. It's a two.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's two deuce, and it's easy shit two. It's easy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Also also important, Yeah shit, it's a deuce. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>important to say that every single one of my decks

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<v Speaker 2>at this point has been considered in this way. And

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<v Speaker 2>while some of them were like, oh, I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>this smothering tithe out of this deck, I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>this one ring out of this deck. I'm gonna put

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<v Speaker 2>that smothering tithe then one ring into different decks that

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, this deck's obviously better than a pre con

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<v Speaker 2>and only has one game changer in it. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>has three, and it's still a three. My deck is

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<v Speaker 2>now better. I got better card draw, I got better

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<v Speaker 2>man of production. I'm putting my smothering Tithe in the

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<v Speaker 2>deck that has the Enlightened Tutor and the Sarah Sanctum

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<v Speaker 2>that combos to win. That's a three. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>got the exact amount of game changers it's allowed to have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got a redundancy of tutors, a lot of removal,

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<v Speaker 2>some light stacks. This deck is very obviously better than

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<v Speaker 2>a pre con.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's a three. Some of those pre cons, man, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll play against them. I'm not scared if they want

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<v Speaker 2>to play up. They want to play up into three

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<v Speaker 2>because they're running like the most powerful pre con. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>play up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll slap you down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Make you feel like you're playing a zero.

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<v Speaker 2>So in this way of thinking, slow rolled me. In

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<v Speaker 2>this way, I have changed four decks.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I've changed that one I told you about. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh I actually added a chrome box that I opened

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<v Speaker 1>it to Ralph.

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00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, there you go, which which chrome marks do

424
00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:17.039
<v Speaker 2>you open?

425
00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I opened the yellow. I opened a borderless foil. Actually

426
00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I hit it big.

427
00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Borderless foil from what set either drift?

428
00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

429
00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, hey, hey we you and I did a

430
00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Brandos and Ryan's box opening. Check it out coming up?

431
00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:40.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess on a Friday or a Saturday, whenever, whenever

432
00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Sidewalk slam isn't.

433
00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because we walk slam does take priority. We opened

434
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:47.000
<v Speaker 1>some pretty okay stuff.

435
00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.559
<v Speaker 2>We well it was my box, but you're opening it,

436
00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:52.119
<v Speaker 2>so it's like, oh man, I probably could have done better,

437
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:58.519
<v Speaker 2>but uh some definitely commons and uncommons and rares that

438
00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play. Yeah, I got all the lands

439
00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I needed. If I don't want to do yellow border.

440
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Lands, which he does. So if you have yellow border

441
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Lands you don't want, get at your boy, hit me up.

442
00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:14.119
<v Speaker 2>And I definitely got some mega Foil hits. It's too bad.

443
00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to trade all my mega hits in too,

444
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Like see if I can get another box now all

445
00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.079
<v Speaker 2>my megafoil hits, I'm they go on a vehicle deck

446
00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm a freaking nerd.

447
00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>So oh man, yeah that's the same way. Yeah exactly, so.

448
00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, getting pounded on booster boxes it's basically what

449
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.599
<v Speaker 2>we do. So anyways, I got four x four deckx okay, Okay,

450
00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.799
<v Speaker 2>I got shrewdfuss. I remember that one mushroom stamp guy. Ye,

451
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.680
<v Speaker 2>so mushroom stamp guy, the one ring okay out it

452
00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was the only game changer, okay, And I says I'm

453
00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.559
<v Speaker 2>gonna put a Sylvan anthem in that was the card

454
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember last week when a green creature entered.

455
00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Green creature doesn't say token skry one.

456
00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Scry one and all your green couruld you get plus

457
00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>one plus one.

458
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good card.

459
00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:05.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a good card. Two mana. So I can play

460
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.559
<v Speaker 2>that a turn before my commander. It's gonna it's gonna

461
00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.880
<v Speaker 2>like essentially act as a token doubler because my saperlings

462
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>now deal two damage eats instead of one, and whenever

463
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>they hit you, I make another one. So it's very good.

464
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a card advantage engine. If I can make ten

465
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>tokens and scry ten ten times, that's probably gonna give

466
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>me enough card selection to count as like card advantage.

467
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>You think, oh yeah, yeah, very much. And I've certainly

468
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.160
<v Speaker 1>played with that card. I played an Avy, and I

469
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>play it in Tanna, yep, and it's.

470
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Good in both very good. Okay, So I put that in.

471
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.599
<v Speaker 2>It's on curve, it's budget, and it allowed me to

472
00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.079
<v Speaker 2>take a game changer out to make my deck a

473
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>straight up to some early man A dorks which are

474
00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.119
<v Speaker 2>susceptible to rats, and some mid game make tokens and

475
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.000
<v Speaker 2>some late game preposterous proportions and all my guys get

476
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 2>plus ten plus ten March of the World loose stuff

477
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:05.359
<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, yeah, where it's like I got fifteen

478
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>tokens and I had to work the whole game to

479
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:07.319
<v Speaker 2>make them.

480
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

481
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Now they're all eleven elevens. Everybody's taken sixty or whatever. Right, yep,

482
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:18.160
<v Speaker 2>yep my next one. Brian stout arm and.

483
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I keep forgetting you have that deck?

484
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every time I play it, I'm like, oh, this

485
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 2>is the last time.

486
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'm taking this up. Why don't you just saying

487
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it for years? Man, I think I would have dusted

488
00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that deck years ago.

489
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I keep I keep modifying it and playing it.

490
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>The last time I played it, I pounded guys with.

491
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>It, like, absolutely destroyed people with it.

492
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And I played it two times in the same night,

493
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and one time I almost won, and the other time

494
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I fucking just pounded guys shorts right up their butts.

495
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

496
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that looks like or why I

497
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>said that, But you ever got a weggie? Oh yeah,

498
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like a wedgie butt, but it looks because a

499
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:03.559
<v Speaker 2>fist was also. Yes, so I took smothering tithe out

500
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>of that deck.

501
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:08.079
<v Speaker 1>So now when you play your eight man things, you

502
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.599
<v Speaker 1>have to actually pay eight Yes, Now your deck was

503
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>already a piece of shit. Is a smellier piece of ship? Yes? Nice?

504
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But what I did is other upgrades that were

505
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 2>just better, like card draw stuff or whatever that was

506
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 2>just better. And I'm introducing a little bit of a

507
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.599
<v Speaker 2>giant sub theme, like giant creatures, because there's there's like

508
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>a damage doubler from Caldheim that is, yep, just for giants.

509
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Bryan star Arms a giant.

510
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that.

511
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 2>I've got a what's the what's the five drop that

512
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 2>you tutor in equipment when you play him Stone Stone.

513
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Here giants Stone the white yeah, yeah.

514
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>The white one.

515
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

516
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And that lets me find my death render or my

517
00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:00.400
<v Speaker 2>infect equipment. Right, And he's a giant giant. And there's

518
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>a couple other ones like Inferno Titan. Sure, there's Giant

519
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 2>har Harbinger's a giant tutor.

520
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>It's you added two tutors. Yes, So is the deck

521
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 1>truly a two with that many tutors?

522
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 2>It is a two tur because those are the only

523
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 2>tutors in it. I didn't I didn't add the Giant

524
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Harbinger yet. Okay, that's still in like the maybe pile

525
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>as I find what else to cut. So it's got

526
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 2>a stone here, giant to find a wind con sure. Yeah,

527
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and uh it's slow, but it's got a powerful endgame

528
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and it is capable of killing people in one hit,

529
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>like if I do it, like if I damage double

530
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>or damaged double by flinging a Malignis or a Sarah's Avatar.

531
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Life total equal to your life.

532
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Power equal to life total, then I fling it. Yeah,

533
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>it's got the infect equipment on Brian. If I fling

534
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 2>a ten.

535
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Drop, you just die.

536
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>So it can do the powerful thing, but slowly.

537
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you wish that cat was red? I wish Kaktar

538
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>was red.

539
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I wish Kaktar was red because he'd be going straight

540
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 2>into the Brian Strout arm deck yep, and I'd be

541
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 2>gaining ten thousand life when I.

542
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I love that fucking card. I love it so much.

543
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what I saw it? I saw that it

544
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 2>was a Final Fantasy card. You can hear some of

545
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>our initial Final Fantasy thoughts on yesterday's pre show. I

546
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>saw it, I thought a I didn't know Kaktar was

547
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.279
<v Speaker 2>from Final Fantasy.

548
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you fool, Yeah, I'm an idiot.

549
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Second thing is, I don't know if Brando's gonna love

550
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>this or hate it.

551
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I really like it. Yeah, I like

552
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it a lot.

553
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy for you, and I liked it so many

554
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.519
<v Speaker 2>people like oh.

555
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Bad and it's too good.

556
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 2>It's you Gia, Like, come on, guys, well it is

557
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>you gioh But at the at the point of ten thousand,

558
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 2>how is that any different than I don't know, fifty

559
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>or one hundred, Like I don't.

560
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Know g Off. Yeah, Thomas's boyfriend. I hope it's okay

561
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>that I say that on the show Scandal. But he

562
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>plays lots of legacy, so like the tuning and the

563
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>fine he has a really good magic mind that way. Yeah,

564
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And when we were talking about this thing that's got

565
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand power, he's just like, what's the difference between

566
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand and one hundred? And the answer is basically nothing.

567
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Bro, what's the differenween ten thousand and emer cool? When

568
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you've cracked, when you've cracked three or four fetch lands

569
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>and I have an emoric cool And I hit you

570
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 2>one time as if that might not like, if that

571
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't kill you, puts you to one or two in

572
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 2>legacy that is yeah, and you have to annihilate six. Like,

573
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 2>how is this like if I go show and tell

574
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 2>omniscience emmer cool, I don't know.

575
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, it's over.

576
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>He gets fine.

577
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that that's it's just an arbitrary

578
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>a large number on a fairly simple to deal with creature.

579
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And no evasion. Yep, this is fine.

580
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna give it Trammel immediately.

581
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's like, what's the guy whenever you have

582
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 2>a creature enter the battlefield, he double his power. I know,

583
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the one devilish valet. Yeah, every time creature ETBs, it's

584
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 2>a creature fall double power. And everybody's like, what the fuck?

585
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you play five creatures in this guy's

586
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 2>like eighty power, eighty and ten thousand. I don't know,

587
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>it's the same that they feel like they're the same thing.

588
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>It's the same number, really, But yeah, I think that

589
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that character is fucking cool man. I'm excited to play him.

590
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I got two more decks and then we're gonna

591
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit more about game changes es, the ball.

592
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 2>This where my smothering tie is going. It's an enchantment.

593
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I play in light and tutor I play Sarah's sanctum.

594
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>This is fine. It's already a three. It's the one

595
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>that has the light. I wouldn't say stacks is too

596
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>extreme of a word, but it's like, all damage dealt

597
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>to me is zero. I can story circle or circle

598
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>of protection myself, like I can lock you out of

599
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 2>damaging me.

600
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Uh.

601
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 2>It's got all of the removal that are enchantments, like

602
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 2>make your guy a bug, make your guy a zero four,

603
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>make your guy a land. All of those draw me

604
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 2>four cards because I've got all the enchantresses enchantry. Right,

605
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>So a deck's probably a three, ye, probably a three,

606
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's got three game changers in it.

607
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Now there you go.

608
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

609
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

610
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.279
<v Speaker 2>In the final one, alenda, I cut something I don't

611
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>remember what to add. Oh oh, es also has a

612
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 2>ristic study, So alenda I cut something to add the

613
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 2>one ring, and it only has two game changers. And

614
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>this is where intention versus letter of the law comes

615
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>in again, Like we talked about last week. Two game changers.

616
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>But there are five or six tutors, probably too many

617
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to be a three.

618
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, We're gonna talk about that later.

619
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about why tutors are.

620
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>One of the tutors is an ursa saga which finds

621
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 2>a soul ring. Find a soul ring, or in my

622
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 2>deck a combo piece, an animation module which combos with

623
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>a lenda. One of the tutors is a Inventor's fair

624
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the land that finds the same combo piece, right sure.

625
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>And then there's a dtoots, there's a Rounscar Demon, and

626
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a Besiech the Queen. That's six tutors, lots of tutors.

627
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 2>That's lots of tutors. And I don't specifically try to combo.

628
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I try to do the value thing and always bring

629
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 2>stuff back from the graved Like you've played the deck,

630
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 2>it's impossible to beat. And here I talked about this

631
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>one last on purpose because it feels like there's a

632
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of things in that deck that change the game.

633
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>You You always talk about that deck being so resilient,

634
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 2>that deck trying to get value out of literally every

635
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>inch and corner of the game. It's got an Astionnaud's

636
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>altar in there to make a ton of manna, not

637
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 2>a game changer. To play other things that also feel

638
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 2>like game Changers, Exanguinate, Torment of Hailfire.

639
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>We talked about those last week.

640
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Dead of the Debt LISS, which is the.

641
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>When they die they come back. No, isn't that.

642
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>That's debtors Now. Dead of the Debt LISS is the

643
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 2>white Black Exanguinate times two. That one. It's like black black,

644
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>white white X. Everybody loses X, you gain two X.

645
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Everybody loses two X. I gain two x. That one.

646
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>When you sacrifice fifteen guys, everybody take thirty. That's enough, right,

647
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's got another. So that's like three or four.

648
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Feels like game changers that win out of nowhere. Yeah,

649
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and then it's got a fucking grave Pact. That feels

650
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>like a game changer, doesn't it? Because it changes the

651
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 2>way that you play magic. Yeah, it's not necessarily an

652
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>awesome card if I don't have creatures, but I built

653
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>my deck around having creatures, so I do. But like

654
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Herobi Deaths Whale, Yeah, it changes a game of magic

655
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>into something else. And I think that's what's important to differentiate.

656
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna ask you about this when we got

657
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 2>comments on last week's pre show and last week's episode,

658
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I would take this off and put this on, this off,

659
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>this on a lot of I would put this onto

660
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the game Changer's list. Were cards that feel like they

661
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>win out of nowhere. A Chroma's Will was mentioned. Exanguinate

662
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 2>and Torment to Hailfire were brought up. Ashnaud's Altar and

663
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>and for an Alter were brought up. Because it's like,

664
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 2>you're not doing intruder alarm. You're not doing anything fucking

665
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>normal with that.

666
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 1>You're not doing anything fair with intruder alarm.

667
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Nobody just absolutely intruder.

668
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 1>It's not in your es, is it.

669
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 2>No, it's blue? Oh yeah, oh no, No, it's not

670
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>an estrad no because she she's no a creature.

671
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Deck, but it's an enchantment it's see. Nobody nobody does that,

672
00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Nobody plays it. This is my enchantment deck, and I

673
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>nobody does that because it's cracked.

674
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>And that card will probably be good in that deck

675
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 2>because it keeps creatures.

676
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Tapped until somebody plays one exactly.

677
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Another one is uh Seedborn Muse, skull Clamp. We saw

678
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 2>those that just provide so much value, turnover, turn overturn.

679
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Those don't inherently change the game of magic. Seedborn mus

680
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>You're probably gonna run out of cards, skull Clamp you

681
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>might run out of guys right right, and both of

682
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>those are easy to destroy. Like, I don't know, we're

683
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 2>not getting into that. Yeah, but the feels like game

684
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>changers along with the tutors makes my Alenda deck feel

685
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>like a four even though technically it only has two

686
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>game changers in it. Yeah, and then and then yeah exactly,

687
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and then what is what is too many tutors and

688
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 2>what is the intention of those tutors? And two of

689
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>my tutors that are very narrow are specifically in there

690
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>to find combo pieces that feels quite pointed. When you're

691
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>quite pointed, it feels like you shouldn't be at the

692
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 2>two or three category. I concur so.

693
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking about this, and I was talking

694
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to Aiden, and I think g off about this last night.

695
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Where when you look at my decks, I play tons

696
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 1>of tutors in mind, not tons, but like I'll have

697
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>one or two and basically every deck that I play,

698
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 1>And the reason I and.

699
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Some some decks you play tutors are not sparse correct

700
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>whatever sparse means?

701
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, whatever that means, Like they're they're fucking there, and

702
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I play them because I don't really play, for example,

703
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 1>pay to lose to draw to Why would I pay

704
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>two to draw to random piece of shit cards and

705
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I could pay two at the same speed and just

706
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 1>find the thing.

707
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Thing that you need. Yeah. And also I'll add to

708
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>that because I know you and I know your decks.

709
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 2>You also aren't the guy that's going to tutor for

710
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>a combo piece. I don't know if I can remember

711
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>a time where you weren't playing nice C d H

712
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.599
<v Speaker 2>where you combo one think on last season Sidewalk Slam

713
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.039
<v Speaker 2>when you tried to snoop combo. Was the last time

714
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I saw you combo? See, And when you're not trying

715
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>to do the combo thing, tutors become less important. They

716
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>just become like a second copy of air quotes the

717
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>best card in your deck, or a second copy.

718
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Of the thing I need, the thing you need right now, Yeah,

719
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of what I play them for. And

720
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that intention and that's this is what I'm saying. Like,

721
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.119
<v Speaker 1>when you look at the list of Game Change, there's

722
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>so many tutors, and they're mentioned in the brackets like

723
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>what makes a decka.

724
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>It's redundancy there or the not redundancy thing, the redundancy. No,

725
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 2>that's the same one.

726
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the same word. You just said it a bunch

727
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of times.

728
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the redundancy with the list and the rule.

729
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I feel like the tutor thing specifically, I

730
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>think that's the most intention based thing in here.

731
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Making get the hardest to quantify.

732
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>The absolutely the most difficult thing to quantify as a

733
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>hard and fast rule, because if you're like, well, in

734
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 1>the examples we just gave Ryan's playing tutors to find

735
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 1>a combo piece to win the game, whereas I'm playing

736
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.599
<v Speaker 1>tutors because I don't want to just draw a card.

737
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to find the thing that I need right then,

738
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>be it a piece of removal or I don't have

739
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 1>any creatures, I have no cards in my hand, so

740
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I need something right And I think that that well

741
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 1>round or you're running five tutors in your deck, yeah,

742
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 1>but I use it to find cultivate because you're not

743
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>a combo player exactly. So like and I feel like

744
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not saying I deserve special consideration, but I

745
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 1>think that when you're gonna put it into a hard

746
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 1>and fast rule like they have, having too many tutors

747
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 1>immediately makes your deck into a four or a five.

748
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>That's I don't know, have to say, disingenuous is the

749
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 1>wrong word. But then you got to sit down and

750
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>we got to go back to the whole rule zero

751
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like, listen, I'm running tutors instead of

752
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>drawsbells because because I don't want to just draw three

753
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>more islands.

754
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and man, and that's hard to quant if we

755
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>have we have a hard and fast rule that dictates

756
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>how many game changers we have, and some of the

757
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>tutors are also game changers. There's an overlap there. Why

758
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 2>do we not just have this? This is a legitimate question.

759
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 2>This isn't me being facetious or like being hyperbolic or whatever.

760
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Why don't we have a hard and fast number, a

761
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>definition of what tutors being sparse means. Could it be two,

762
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 2>could it be three? I don't know. I have I

763
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>have a power level or a bracket two deck that

764
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>has three tutors in it, but no game changers. And

765
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>what's ironic is tutors. If you're tutoring for a wrath

766
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of God or removal spell, those change the game. Yeah,

767
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.199
<v Speaker 2>those change what's happening in the game. Where as a

768
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.079
<v Speaker 2>tutor for a combo piece like I'm running in my

769
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.039
<v Speaker 2>lend Of deck that's going to end the game.

770
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Which is also changing it, but.

771
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It is, it is, and I think the difference is

772
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm automatically declaring and saying that deck exists at a four,

773
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>you better expect that if I tutor, I'm going to

774
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>try and end the game.

775
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm gonnay and win with that.

776
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>That's the difference. You're playing tutors maybe in decks that

777
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>exist at two and three where they should be sparse,

778
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and if they're not, maybe this is how I interpret it.

779
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>If they're not sparse, they also don't win the game.

780
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 2>And that goes back again to intention, which is hard

781
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to quantify because there's no hard and fast rule. And

782
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 2>if we want it to be a tool that's used,

783
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it might be worth testing. I'm not going

784
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 2>to say beneficial or better, but worth testing and saying

785
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.519
<v Speaker 2>this is how many tutors and this is what tutor means.

786
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Because I saw so many people on Twitter saying is

787
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 2>cultivated Twitter is rampant growth of Twitter? What in my

788
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>what about in my monogreen Landfall deck when I run

789
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>seven different cultivate and rampid growth variants, what like are

790
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 2>are those tutors? Because they're furthering my strategy at that point?

791
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what card isn't on this list? That fucking

792
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 1>should be crop rotation. Crop rotation, good crop rotation is

793
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a hell of a card.

794
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.440
<v Speaker 2>You think corp rotation should be on the list?

795
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I do.

796
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 2>What did you say last week for what should be

797
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>on Green's list?

798
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>A great hoof greater hoof?

799
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes you did, because that is a that is a

800
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 2>well and you're falling into the I think trap. That's

801
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a win the game card like a Chromo's memorial. Yes,

802
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Creater Hoof and a Chromo's memorial do the same thing.

803
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 1>You just win the game kind of Yeah.

804
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Trample to everybody, make everybody huge, or flying to everybody,

805
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>give them all double strike. They do the same thing.

806
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 2>YEA crop rotation changes what's currently happening, and you can

807
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>use it offensive or defensively, or to further various kinds

808
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>of strategies. Now, does that add a redundancy to the list.

809
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>If I'm crop rotating for a Sarah Sanctum or a

810
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Guy's cradle, we already have those cards on the list.

811
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 2>So why do is corop rotation need to be on there,

812
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>which raises the.

813
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Question why are tutors on there in the first place.

814
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 2>It when we already have the tutor should be sparse

815
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>when we don't have a definition of wars correct. I

816
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know that sounds kind of complaining, but I think

817
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I think more than anything, we're just trying to talk

818
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>through it.

819
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 1>And this is a like again, this is the thing

820
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>that's in its beta infancy. Again, as people are listening

821
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>to this, with the exception of producer Gary.

822
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Magic. Welcome to Magic, Gary.

823
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 1>So none of us have been to Chicago or know

824
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 1>anything about Chicago, but everybody who's listening this, we'll have

825
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 1>probably hurt something from there. Right it worked, and maybe

826
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like maybe it'll come back. You know, we're gonna change

827
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Instead of having all these tutors on the game changer list,

828
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna put like a number of tutors in each bracket.

829
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe we'll sprinkle like how many game changers you

830
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>can play across your decks. Maybe we'll add some different

831
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>cards on here, you know, like that could be the gimmick.

832
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd imagine there's gonna be some people who have some

833
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>some pull probably walking around with maybe some band cards

834
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>in their decks, maybe to see if they might end

835
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:31.599
<v Speaker 1>up on a game changer list in the future. You

836
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I'm man, I'm so excited to

837
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 1>play on Manocrypts again, you guys.

838
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to play Jewel Lotus and Bruvac twelve

839
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 2>game changes. Maybe when I found out that testing and

840
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>there was gonna be an exact area for exactly what

841
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about in Chicago, I had that disappointment in

842
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>fomal feeling all over again, missing CECO Nation, missing the

843
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>CEO experience, missing.

844
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Like dropside down pizza yea man's.

845
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Own right, like missing all of that aside, when I

846
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 2>found out that I could have like meaningful and really

847
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:11.280
<v Speaker 2>deep theoretical magic conversations with other people who really care

848
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 2>about it. No, not discounting what we're doing here, but

849
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 2>we do this all the time. If I can do

850
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 2>this with people who have different opinions than you and

851
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 2>those or WATSI people or people on the Commander what's

852
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 2>it called again, I don't care Brick the Commander group,

853
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the Commander Posse. I don't Yeah, man, I I wish

854
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>that I could have been there and just talk, whether

855
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it be cards or intentions. I would love to see

856
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 2>some kind of line or line graph or bar graph

857
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>saying like this is as you increase in game changes,

858
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>your deck becomes this, and how having tutors in your

859
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 2>deck changes that? Right? And what I'm what I'm interested

860
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>in in thinking about a graphing or whatever is like

861
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the quantifying the intention where I specifically don't go over

862
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>three game changers to keep my deck of three? Sure,

863
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>or I don't have any game changers to keep my

864
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>deck of two?

865
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Right?

866
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:18.159
<v Speaker 2>At what point do tutors start to make my deck

867
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 2>have to move up a bracket? Yeah? And if it's

868
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 2>just tutorness, is it tutor? Yes or no? Don't talk

869
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>about intention, don't talk about what I can find except

870
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>for LAMB tutors. Is it going to change the bracket

871
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>my deck is in? We don't really have rules that

872
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 2>govern that. And I would love to know what people

873
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 2>feel about that crossover, Like does having five tutors in

874
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.199
<v Speaker 2>my bracket three deck? Does that make it like a

875
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 2>three point five?

876
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, no, I can't be because a three point five

877
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>would then become a four, and then a four point

878
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>five would become a well seven. And then now we're

879
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 1>back to where were before.

880
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, exactly, a three point five becomes a four.

881
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And I built the deck in a way not knowing

882
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.719
<v Speaker 2>what sparse means that makes it a three. So how

883
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 2>much can I pack in and and really how much

884
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of an edge can I gain? How much can I

885
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 2>game the system? And how much is okay?

886
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's the gimmick that we talked lots about at

887
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 1>the store last night, because again, the Bellow is a one.

888
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Is the It's such a good example because that deck

889
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>isn't a fucking one.

890
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Where would you put it three three in terms of

891
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>in terms of power level, not game changers in terms.

892
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Of in terms of what it's going to meet in

893
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>terms of absolute power, because it is fragile on a

894
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>specific access where it needs Bellow to be in play. Yep.

895
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's easy to disrupt because he's just a three

896
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 1>three barl with no evasion.

897
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

898
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>That deck is a solid three, and it could probably

899
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>on a good day, it could probably slap the ship

900
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 1>out of a out of a low four is two

901
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.440
<v Speaker 1>or a four. It's a very dangerous three. But by

902
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the letter of the rules, it's a one. And people

903
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>who are gonna go and build, like build the thing.

904
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that quantifying number of tutors allowed or what

905
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>actually constitutes on mass land denial and that sort of stuff,

906
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>like quantifying what those terms mean would make it easier

907
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>for you to avoid the people that are gonna build

908
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>a one that's actually a nine and I mean and

909
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I actually mean nine five, you know, because you know

910
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Because people are gonna do that, right, Like,

911
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 1>you know that's gonna happen.

912
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that happened before. That happened before. Anyways, people

913
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 2>saying this is going to change nothing, You're right, You're right,

914
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna change nothing. In the people who want

915
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 2>to take a set of rules and game them. I

916
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 2>did it when I was young in my commander career.

917
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Everybody was playing casual and I was like, how can

918
00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I make the best commander deck that nobody can beat

919
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and nobody wants to play against. I didn't know socially

920
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna say, uh, I don't want to play

921
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.480
<v Speaker 2>against that. Can we do something else? Yeah? I ended

922
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>up never playing the deck. I ended up taking it apart.

923
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And that was a very important learning point. And the

924
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>people who do this deck's a one, but it's actually

925
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 2>a CEDH deck or nieh on CEDH deck. Are gonna

926
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>learn that that.

927
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Isn't just nobody wants to play.

928
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.559
<v Speaker 2>They wants to play against that. And that's the same

929
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 2>thing as having just real zero or just one to

930
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.280
<v Speaker 2>ten power scale, or the four quadrant thing that people

931
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 2>were talking about for a while, or nothing like we

932
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>had in twenty eighteen. We had absolutely nothing.

933
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>They were just sat down and played magic with you.

934
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Just sat down and played magic. And there was guys

935
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>that didn't flip their commander over to the game started

936
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 2>because they were trying to win prizes. And that's still

937
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. What I like, and I want to continue

938
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 2>to reiterate this. This is a two that gives us

939
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>language and parameters to use. If that person sits down,

940
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not flipping over till we start. Sits down across

941
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the street from you. Or if you're playing with random

942
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 2>kid who it's his first Magic con and he says

943
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I have this pre con, it's like, okay, hold on

944
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>a second, this guy's twelve, he's never played before. Let's

945
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more aware of the social situation.

946
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, let's Putt.

947
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I have had that happen. Oh yeah, and a dude

948
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 2>totally totally genuine and polite about it. He said, actually,

949
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I was looking to test out this deck.

950
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking to make it into my CDH deck. I

951
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think this POD's right for me, and I don't

952
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>want to just like Turn three, everybody and and nobody

953
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 2>actually get to contribute. So I'm actually gonna go because

954
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>my buddy beside me wants to play in this game.

955
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, fuck, perfect, that was awesome, Like

956
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 2>why can't people do that every time? Yeah, this is

957
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a tool that that happen more often.

958
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Here's hoping.

959
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not hoping anything. I'm confident that it's gonna make

960
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a difference.

961
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I think you're right. I agree with you.

962
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I do like this and again I've seen it in

963
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 1>action and it's actually working pretty good. And while again

964
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I think that the game Changer's list is I don't

965
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 1>know what the word is it's At first I thought

966
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.119
<v Speaker 1>it was bad, but now I don't think it's bad.

967
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's bad.

968
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it is maybe underdeveloped. Underdeveloped is like that

969
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>that is the word, And I think that a lot

970
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of the things that we talked about earlier with Grave Packed,

971
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like should it be could it be on here? It

972
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>probably should be, but then you run the well, okay,

973
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>so then Martyr's bond has to go on and all

974
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what.

975
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, oblation or whatever it is, you can't have one. No,

976
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>not oblation, ablation.

977
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the white white, white white three. Whenever

978
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Speaker 1>one of your things dies, everybody sacrifices.

979
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and Arabos dictative. Arabos is Grave Pack two,

980
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>but it got a flash for five.

981
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a taste of arable ye ADDICTI not very good? Yeah,

982
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I feel so maybe that's

983
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 1>why some of those things aren't on here when maybe

984
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>they could be, because those are kind of not really

985
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 1>a quantifiable type of card like they they I think

986
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 1>they caught the the Blue Moon and the blood Moon

987
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and the Winter orb all kind of together in the

988
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>mass Land Denial.

989
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 2>In the Blue Moon, Creature Guy, the murphok not even

990
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 2>on here.

991
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, neither was blood Moon.

992
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, but blood Moon fits into the mass Land Denial.

993
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And what I love about that is blood Moon not

994
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 2>on the game Changer's list though, it is talked about

995
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.159
<v Speaker 2>in the rules set for brackets bracket matchmaking system. Interesting, yeah,

996
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:49.760
<v Speaker 2>whereas yeah, tutors are not yet, and the tutors there's

997
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.199
<v Speaker 2>so many of them, I don't know, you know what.

998
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Upon further inspection of the actual list as well, Like

999
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 2>if you chart it, there's two red cards, there's like

1000
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 2>fifteen blue cards. Love that they weren't scared to say, well,

1001
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 2>hold on, let's pick five from every color. Oh yeah,

1002
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>because then it makes one color better than the other. Again,

1003
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 2>if you're nerfing red more than it ought to be nerved,

1004
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and you're not nerving blue as much as it ought

1005
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 2>to be nerve, then you've got this discrepancy in power

1006
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>at the highest level between red and blue, maybe more

1007
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 2>than you already do. Yes, right, And I'm not saying

1008
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:26.119
<v Speaker 2>red is objectively more powerful than red. Right is so

1009
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 2>good though, I'm not saying that, But I'm saying we

1010
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>don't need the same number of cards in each color.

1011
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if that would.

1012
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Make the list arbitrary. And then I would hate it

1013
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>if this list appeared, even on the surface to be

1014
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 1>in any way arbitrary, which it does not, And I

1015
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. I would hate this. We have to pick

1016
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the seven most powerful cards in each color correct and

1017
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the lands, and we have to put no. If they

1018
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>had done that, I would wholeheartedly disallow all of this.

1019
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about the list being forty cards?

1020
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that's a good number?

1021
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 1>The number of cards on it doesn't concern me. It

1022
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.039
<v Speaker 1>could be fifty cards, it could be ten cards, And

1023
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>as long as everything has a reason for being there,

1024
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I'd be cool with it. This, this list can grow

1025
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and change, and I'm perfectly fine with it.

1026
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>The way that I like that it could grow and change.

1027
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I love that it could be used as a buffer

1028
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:23.360
<v Speaker 2>to take band cards off a list, and that thereby

1029
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>reducing the number of band cards. I think that's great.

1030
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I love that it can be any number of cards.

1031
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I even I don't know how nut say I'm about

1032
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 2>this idea, but I like theoretic in theory, I like

1033
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the idea that it could be a rotating thing, like, Oh,

1034
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>what's the game changer's thing? Like what are they introducing

1035
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>or telling me to not play with for this quarter?

1036
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't want that.

1037
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I like how things can rotate like that in theory.

1038
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't talk about rotation when it comes to commander

1039
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 1>because ended up with brawl. Remember brawl. No you don't,

1040
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>and there's a reason for that.

1041
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>H You didn't even give me a chance to answer.

1042
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Because I knew the answer, Ryan, I was answering for you,

1043
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 1>so I made sure I got the answer that I

1044
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>goddamn wanted. One thing I don't like about the list

1045
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 1>what is cut you off? No, I have to hit

1046
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you with this the colorless section. I don't like that

1047
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 1>ancient Tomb is on there. I don't like that manivault

1048
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 1>is on there. I don't like those specifically because manivolt,

1049
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>what's the difference between a manivault and a dark ritual? Really?

1050
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Dark manivault will hurt you over time, turn after turn

1051
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>after turn, and you essentially have to time walk yourself

1052
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 1>to make that stop. Ancient Tomb does the same thing.

1053
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 1>It twos you every time you use it. And sol

1054
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Ring is not on here, nor should it be. But

1055
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like some of those, like kind of just

1056
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 1>burst manna or ramp things shouldn't necessarily be on here,

1057
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 1>because yes, it does lead to non games sometimes. But

1058
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you right now that yesterday somebody went

1059
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>land ritual, sol Ring, arcane signet five man of Commander

1060
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:09.679
<v Speaker 1>turn one.

1061
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's pretty good.

1062
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know what happened to him?

1063
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Did they not win?

1064
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 1>It got killed on player two's turn two with a

1065
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>two manic spell And they didn't play fucking shit because

1066
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.280
<v Speaker 1>they dumped their whole hand on turn one. Yes, and

1067
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what happened to them, right.

1068
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying play more removal you kN no,

1069
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>but like that's reductive. That's not what this conversation is about.

1070
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Correct, But I feel like the fast mana being on

1071
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 1>here goes back to what I said last week, where

1072
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it feels this kind of butt hurdy because it's like

1073
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>they're expensive cards and not everybody has equal access to them.

1074
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I feel that they're here. Well, the

1075
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 1>conve Ancient Tomb was printed in every pre con I

1076
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think it would be on here much like sol Ring.

1077
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, I much like Temple of the False God. Correct, Yeah,

1078
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I just made that comparison.

1079
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Temple of the Temple of the False God taps

1080
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 1>for two. Why isn't it on here? Is it? Is

1081
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>it because it's conditional? Is because it doesn't damaged?

1082
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Because because because it doesn't do it on turn one yes, yes,

1083
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll raise you one. I'll one up beyond that?

1084
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Why is lotus pedal not on here? It costs your

1085
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to what makes a man sack it?

1086
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 2>You know what? You know what I mean.

1087
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying every card that if you're gonna

1088
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.320
<v Speaker 1>have these fasts, I would all fast manner should be

1089
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>on here, But like.

1090
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I would are well, man, that's a whole nother conversation.

1091
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>We don't need all fast mana on this list.

1092
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Just really expensive stuff.

1093
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 2>We need some fast manna to take away enough fast

1094
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>manna from the decks that are abusing it at a

1095
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 2>lower power level to make those decks on par with

1096
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 2>other decks that are at that same power level. It

1097
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean get rid of all of it. That just

1098
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.840
<v Speaker 2>means get rid of some of the pieces that are

1099
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the most common and you don't have to build around

1100
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:57.519
<v Speaker 2>to abuse or take full advantage of sure like ancient two.

1101
00:55:57.800 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back to

1102
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the colorless list and raise you one up here, go

1103
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 2>back to combine your point with my points.

1104
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Or smashing points. We're touching points. Yeah, ager like that one.

1105
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 2>More than anything. I want to see manacrypt and Jeweled

1106
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Lotus on the colorless game Changers list. And when you say,

1107
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 2>what's the difference between soul ring and ancient tomb and

1108
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 2>and tempo of the False God and a ritual and

1109
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 2>MANI vault, Sure nothing. They all do the same thing.

1110
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>They're all burst mana now redundancies a thing. Blah blah

1111
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah. That's a whole other conversation. But

1112
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.840
<v Speaker 2>go back to September when I was talking about my

1113
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 2>disapproval of Jeweled Lotus getting banned, not because burst man

1114
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>of turn one three, man of player commander win on

1115
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>turn two. That's gonna happen. Sure, sure, And if it's

1116
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.920
<v Speaker 2>on the game Changers list, maybe you can relegate that

1117
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>two fives ors sometimes threes. Yes, sure, perfectly fine with that.

1118
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 2>That's what this is for. And it's a tool to

1119
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 2>like declare that I'm trying to fucking do this.

1120
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, great, But if you put Juel Lotus on here

1121
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.280
<v Speaker 3>and you allow people to play that in bracket three,

1122
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.960
<v Speaker 3>or you put duel Lotus on here and say, by

1123
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 3>way of rule zero, in my bracket two deck, I'm

1124
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 3>playing a seven drop commander, I have a Jeweled Lotus

1125
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 3>in here, but I'm calling it a two.

1126
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Is that okay?

1127
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1128
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 2>And then on turn eleven, after my seven drop commanders

1129
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 2>died two times and he costs frickin eleven or thirteen

1130
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.920
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the math says, I can still play magic

1131
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Speaker 2>because I drew a card that at that point is

1132
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 2>just like drawing a Dark Ritual or a Seething Song

1133
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 2>or a Cabal Ritual or a manivault. They're all the

1134
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>same card unless you draw them all on turn one

1135
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>in your opening hand. Yes, and I think Manic Crypt

1136
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.639
<v Speaker 2>and Jeweled Lotus, now that we have a game changer

1137
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>list could very easily slot right in there beside Ancient Toom,

1138
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Chrome Max and Grim Monolith and Mind's Eye Diamond and

1139
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 2>all of that shit.

1140
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 1>And I'll take the hit and we can say leave

1141
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 1>dockside Extortion and stuff.

1142
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Fuck them.

1143
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with that.

1144
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's using that card in casual, yep, because he's a

1145
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Goblin and Goblin players just drag their knuckles on the.

1146
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Ground and I would I would know. Look at how

1147
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:28.719
<v Speaker 1>dry mine are from bouncing off the sidewalk as I

1148
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 1>walk along. They're cold all the time.

1149
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that rock salt in the winter.

1150
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Hey, gets your knuckles bad man, it's not very good

1151
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 1>at all.

1152
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dokside, get bent and stay out of here. Stay

1153
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.559
<v Speaker 2>on the list, Stay on the list. Hey, did we

1154
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 2>solve any problems?

1155
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>We always solve the world's problems.

1156
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I think so you did you know what problem I

1157
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 2>would love to solve? Tell me come Jeweled, Lotus and

1158
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and mana crypt yep. Getting onto the Game Changer's list

1159
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 2>in April or May or whenever they're doing the next announcement, Sure,

1160
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 2>go to Fusion Gaming online dot com before then, you

1161
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>ceco holiday promo code to give a discount before those

1162
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.000
<v Speaker 2>prices get inflated.

1163
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Speculate on them, baby, because they're coming back.

1164
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.079
<v Speaker 2>They have to MTG finance right here. The Coalition Victory

1165
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>coming back?

1166
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.079
<v Speaker 1>You think, Yeah, that card sucks it.

1167
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Coalation Victory is coming back, baby, I'm I'm I'm willing

1168
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to put money on that one. You think, why haven't

1169
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:26.719
<v Speaker 2>we talked about band cards that are gonna get unbanned?

1170
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's next week's topic. Yeah dude, yeah, let's let's

1171
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.880
<v Speaker 2>let's let's do let's let's make a graph.

1172
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Your thoughts down in the comments below will add them

1173
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to the show.

1174
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Who's getting unbanned. We'll talk about it next week on

1175
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the pre show or on the regular show. Yes, final

1176
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 2>thought of the day, it's.

1177
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Gonna be very well. We've already told them we're gonna

1178
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 1>talk about We've already thanked Business Daddy. We're gonna thank

1179
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>production Daddy and Gary and the whole damn studio around here.

1180
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:52.320
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1184
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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be super lots of fun. And another thing

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01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that you should not miss is the next exciting episode

1186
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 1>of Commander Cookout podcast in our thing

1187
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