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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor intered for The Federalist and David Harsani,

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writer at The Washington Examiner. If you'd like to email

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the show, please do so at radio at the Federalist

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dot com. Molly, let's talk about impending peace or maybe

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impending more war. We'll see, but Putin and Donald Trump,

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Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump met in Alaska. What day

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was it last week? Friday? It was pretty historic feeling.

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I guess we'll see what happens in the long run,

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but obviously it was the first step towards hopefully some

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sort of least ceasefire and maybe some sort of lasting

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agreement in the Ukrainian Russian War. What did you take

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away from that? Your first blush, Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea when people who are

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at war talk. I think that's always a good step

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toward ending war. And we should never be so cavalier

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about war that we don't have a problem with it.

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And this one has been particularly awful, almost a return

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to some of the earlier European wars in terms of

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how many men have died and how awful it has

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been on the population of Ukraine. And I had complained

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last week that Trump had said, oh, I'll fix this

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war in a day, and not much a dot been

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done on it. But it seemed beginning last Friday that

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we started to see some real quick movement and necessary

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movement toward ending this war. And the moral clarity that

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Trump has shown in wanting to end the war is

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it is historic. It's a beautiful thing, and I wish

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we had more statesman who thought that that way as well.

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What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I think that My thoughts went to Putin and his

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history and how he's never that I know of, actually

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seeded anything really to anyone, you know what I mean.

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He's a very difficult person to deal with. But you know,

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it's not as if we talked about this last week.

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It's not as if this war has gone Russia's way

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really or how they expected it to go. It's not

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to say they can't, you know, in the end, take

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those provinces in eastern Ukraine, but there has been a

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heavy cost for everyone, including them, And so I wonder

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if maybe he does want it to and so anyway,

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I hope he does. But what I thought was I

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think people shouldn't be to celebrate this or prematurely celebrate

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something that seems like it's going to be a very

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difficult road to piece in the sense that you're going

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to have next. Suppose was lea a bilateral meeting between

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Putin and Zelensky, maybe in Hungary. I think he was

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invited to Moscow. I wouldn't do that if I were Zelenski.

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But this is why I want to talk about a

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little bit with you. You know, when Biden and Democrats

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were in charge, Essentially one of the reasons that people

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say this started was that Ukrainian Ukraine had become to

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or had been usurped by some sort of Western involvement,

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or that they were going to join NATO, and those

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things threatened Russian interests and so on. But it seemed

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to me like the things that they're talking about now

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and the things that we're promising Ukraine is almost like

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an Article five NATO promise, where once this deal is struck,

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and I think Trump actually said this, they were going

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to be security guarantees for Ukraine and it's essentially as

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good as joining NATO, isn't it. I mean, do you

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worry about us having to protect Ukraine from now on.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have not liked the West's posture toward Ukraine

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or even like massive NATO expansion because of the problems

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with war with Russia. I haven't liked that for decades.

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But I don't think we really have the clearest idea

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of what will be offered if it's something like Ukraine

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formally joins the West and loses some of these regions

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that Russia feels are historically tied with Russia more than

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the other regions of Ukraine. I mean, all of Ukraine

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has had some ties to Russia that they get the

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access to the ports that they went to war over.

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You know, if the ending war requires all sides to

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make concessions, right, but if they are joining economically, like

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the EU and the EU the European Union countries that

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care so much about this conflict, do the security for Ukraine,

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which there's always been some of that from the West,

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so it's not like a brand new thing and the

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US backs it. I think that's you know, that's kind

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of how the war was always going to end something

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like that at least, And that's just whether you like

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it or not, that's just kind of how it has

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to be right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll push back and say I don't think that

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wars always end with concessions. I mean plenty of warson.

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Speaker 2: I mean, unless you're going to have a unless you're

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going to have Russia take all of Ukraine, that's how

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it's going to end.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I don't I don't know. I would say

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that it seems to be the clearest way around this

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is for Ukraine to concede that Crimea is no longer

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part of its country, hold on to those eastern provinces,

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have some kind of security guarantees from the United States

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or the Ornato, and then Russia just accepts that that's it,

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and there's a Ukrainian nation, which I don't think actually

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Putin thinks is a real thing. But I mean Kiev

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is essentially the first Russian city in the world, right,

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and you know, going back in history, so I think

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he's always viewed Ukrainians as a fake nationalities other even

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the Soviets did in a way. But anyway, aside from that,

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I think that that is the maybe the way to go.

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It doesn't sound like Zelensky was willing to concede any

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of those eastern provinces yet, so we'll see. I mean,

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maybe some of them. Maybe I don't know that, I'm

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not I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know if he should go into negotiations acting like he's

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going to concede that.

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Speaker 1: But what my concern is, like you say, everyone needs

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to make concessions. What concession does Russia make? Russia is

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the one who aggressive, you know, started this war. Russia

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took Crimea before. What concessions do they make taking less

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than they were from them before? It's essentially the concession,

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all right. I mean I think that, you know, I

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could understand why maybe the other side isn't crazy about

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that kind of negotiate being starting point. But we'll see.

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I hope, I hope it works out. Wars that war

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is terrible. You see, lately there has been more and

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more sort of civilian targets I think that you were seeing,

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especially in Ukraine. It's horrible. It's horrible. A lot of

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young men have died, all have men, you know, and women,

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but mostly men have died. I mean, we don't know

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the real number. I'm sure it's pretty high, and it's

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just horrible.

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Speaker 2: And there are all sorts of other costs associated with war.

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I was feeling, you know, you said, oh, it's been

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bad for Russia too, and I'm thinking I have this posture.

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I don't think it's very Christian, but it's like, if

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you start a war, I don't have so much sympathy

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for what happened to you as a result of that war.

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You know, we talked about it with Gaza and people like, oh,

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this is a horrible situation for the people of Gaza.

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It's like it is, and you shouldn't have started the

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October seventh War, you know, not that that not that

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anything that happens after a country invades is something you

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don't need to worry about. But if Russia didn't want

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to lose all those men, they should not have invaded.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, My context was merely that they are paying a

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price too. It's not as that this can go on

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forever there either. I'm sure there are domestic pressures. People

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are dying, that there's an economic cost. There's a cost

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in the world. You know, even though China's buying their oil,

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you know, India's buying their oil, and Europe was still

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buying their gas, you know what I mean, even as

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the war was going on. But what I mean is

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there's a price for Putin to pay as well, not

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that it so.

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Speaker 2: The other costs that I think people should think about

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in the West, because you're like, you know, there's just

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an aspect of realism having to have something to do

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with what happens now. Ukrainians have suffered not just all

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the loss of life and other casualties. They have also

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lost freedom of speech and freedom of press and elections

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and you know, these thing are things that happen in

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wartime when a war is taking place in your own country.

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Freedom to say, freedom of religion too. They've lost that.

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These are costs and it's been going on for is

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it two and a half years? Yeah, I think it's

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two and a half or three and a half. I've

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I've lost track of time post COVID, but this is

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that's a bearable length of time to lose some of

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these things, but it's not something you want to have

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be a perpetual situation for the people of Ukraine too.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting to see all the European leaders show

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up at the White House afterwards with Trump and Zolensky,

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and this meeting went far better than the last one.

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Zelenski wore some weird suit thing this time, and I

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think Trump was impressed. But what'd you make of that?

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I thought they all showed up so that probably Trump

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or they in their minds, Trump wouldn't kind of steam

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roll z Olenski into some thing maybe, or that they

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would perhaps lend him support and saying no, or I

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don't know, I don't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 2: I think they're wanting that, or they just want the

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US to be the primary payer of whatever happens next Europe.

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We have done so much for NATO since World War Two,

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and they would like that to continue at the high

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rates that we have been the high percentage of the

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cost that we have been paying. And many Americans are

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saying that they are more than happy to be in NATO.

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They think it's an alliance that has worked very well,

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but that it is also what eighty years eighty eighty years.

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Speaker 1: Past, yeah, eighty years.

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Speaker 2: Past the end of that war, and this should not

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be helping people out when they have been war ravaged

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for a few years or even a few decades. Is understandable.

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When you're starting to hit the one hundred year mark,

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you're like, Okay, this is ridiculous. So again, not that

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there aren't reasons why we might want to still continue

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to be the big dog there in NATO. But Europe

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really should have been doing much, much, much, much more.

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always talk a huge game about Russia being like the

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worst thing in the history of the world, and then

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they're like, and to fight them, we're gonna give zero

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point two percent of our defense budget to it, or

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whatever of our budget to defense against Russia. And so

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there were the pro or the the rules based order

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publications were really trying to push this idea. Yeah, that

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Zelenski and these European leaders were gonna totally showed Donald

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Trump whose boss. And I think it's not even that

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he showed them whose boss, It's just that it was

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a nice meeting on Friday. It was a nice meeting

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on Monday, the type of thing you want to see

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if you want to see the end of this war,

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and people coming together and making sure they're all on

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the same page, kind of thinking through what the contours

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are for what everybody's willing to do. I did also

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just I love seeing Maloney. Do you like her? She's

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so pretty?

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Speaker 1: I like her? Yeah, I mean I like her personality.

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It's very real. A lot of eye rolling.

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Speaker 2: That eye rolling during the German guys thing. I was like,

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I'm with you, sister.

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Speaker 1: She can't she can't control herself. It's amazing. I didn't mean,

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I don't Yeah, I didn't think they came here to

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show Donald Trump who's boss. But I do think they

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came to show that Zelenski has their support. Whatever.

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, David, this is not important in the grand

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scheme of things. But you mentioned Zelenski's suit. What did

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you actually think of the suit?

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Speaker 1: Very Eastern European looking. I don't know. I don't get.

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I don't get this like pseudo in military garb that

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he wears like he's out there being a general. I get.

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Maybe it's I don't know. I read a story that

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he actually has designers that make his you know, I'm

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which kind of undermines the kind of gritty, militaristic vibe

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he wants to give out. I don't know. I don't

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know what to make of it. I mean, I am

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not a huge fan of the guy or anything, but

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I'm also not one of these haters. I'm sort of

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somewhere in the middle. I just don't think he's very impressive,

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but you know, his country's under attack, and yeah, I

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don't know. It's a tough spot for any leader, I think,

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but any what do you think. I think you have

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something to say.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I don't know. I was on with Cudlow yesterday,

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Larry Cudlow, and he was really praising. He was talking

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about how a bespoke suit can really help someone clothes

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make them man this. You know, the negotiations all are

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going better because he wore a suit properly. I really

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don't like the costume that he has been wearing for

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reasons that you just articulated, but I just don't even

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like the idea of a costume when war is a

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very serious thing, and he wasn't wearing it again with

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any degree of reality. It was just the thing he said,

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and tell the war is over, I'm going to wear

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this costume. And Trump had kind of pointed out that

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you should be respectful when meeting with certain people, and

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so I was glad. I really was glad to see

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him wear a suit. I know it's not the biggest

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deal in the world, but it was appropriate for him

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to wear suit. I did not love the suit. I

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thought it was as one of my friends put it,

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he looked like he was headed out to like an

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adult playdate. It just didn't really.

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Speaker 1: He looks like one of the like in a movie

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where the bad guys are sitting up in the VIP

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section of like a disco, and he's one of the

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the henchman behind him. That kind of suit. I don't

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think I could pull that suit off, I was thinking.

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But then I think, no one. I don't think can

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pull that suit off really, because it was kind of goofy.

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But listen, I wish he was, you know, I just

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don't think it's a big deal either way. You know,

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people have their own styles. I don't know what to say.

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He's got his own esthetic going.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing. Yeah, I was also I'm up

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here in New York and I noticed that the cover

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of the New York Post yesterday, even though it was

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about Zelenski, in fact, it was praising him as the

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hero of the summit. But they took off the Ukraine

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flag finally. I think like they had it on for

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a really long time, a Ukraine flag on the cover

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of the New York Post. It was always weird. Then

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they took it off. Then they had it back on

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and now it was off again. Why am I mentioning this?

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I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm always slightly weirded out by people putting up

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foreign flags, I have to say. I mean, I am

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a huge, huge supporter of Israel. I'm a Zionist. I

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don't even I don't put Israeli flags up. I'm an

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American and that doesn't mean that you can't love another

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country even or really support it or want it to

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succeed because of all that. But I do find unless

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there's also an American flag maybe next to it, I mean,

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at the very least, but I just I think it

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undermines I think it makes most normies feel weird to

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see a foreign flag flying. And I'm not you know,

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I get why people do it. I'm not even against

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the motivation sometimes, but I just in America, we fly

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American flags, you know. You know, if a leader comes

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over and you want both flags next to each other

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to respect the country of the people who are coming,

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I think that's fine. But anyway, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this a little bit as well.

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I think Donald Trump has been an excellent forum policy president. Frankly,

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I mean, other than tar off stuff. If that's considered

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foreign policy, I think it is. But he even made

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peace with Armenia and Azerbaijan, which a war that I

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only maybe tangentially had even was in my consciously like

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I didn't even know what was exactly going on there.

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I knew something was happening. That's one more piece deal,

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I think than Obama and Biden had all together. Right.

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And you know, he's even though he exaggerates in this

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hyperbole about ending the war right away or the war

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never would have happened if he was president, and maybe

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that's true, maybe that's not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or his involvement in his level of involvement in

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resolving the piece is sometimes exaggerated too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I do think because the world understands that

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the United States will, and not in a Neoconi way,

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but will exert their power and strength when needed. Like like,

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I obviously I'm very you know, I'm a component of

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tariffs and everything, but if India is going to be

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buying Russian oil, I can understand the motivation for, you know,

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for us to use economic levers of power to try

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to involve ourselves in that situation or with Iran, et cetera.

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I think the people know that we will, they have

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more respect for us, and they're more willing to maybe

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come to the table and strike peace deals, talk about

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peace and all of that. And then maybe that's what's

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happening here as well. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was trying to get at too,

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This moral clarity, his Trump's natural revulsion to war, his

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opposition to people just being killed. That's just something we

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frequently hear people talk about war in terms of democracy

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spreading or spreading values. We don't hear a lot of

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people or defending well, yeah, but you know what I mean, Like,

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if you're having like a moral component, it frequently is

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like and then we're gonna make it so that the

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girls can go to school in Afghanistan or something like that.

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But I really appreciate that Trump. It really seems to

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grieve him personally, like it just comes up naturally when

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you're talking to him or when he's talking publicly. The

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death that comes along with war. It's a very real

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issue he has, and he works to end it, and

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he seems to care regardless of you know, like when

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you're mentioning the Azerbaijan and Armenia or you know, wars

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that were actually much more involved in to be a

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similar thing for him.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was happy that the other day he said

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that the war will end in Israel whin Hamas is decimated,

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which I think, yes, shows a lot of moral clarity

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for the long term prospects of peace there in general.

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But anyway, I think he's done a good job in

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foreign policy. I think this hopefully will be successful first

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bilateral talks and trilateral talks, and obviously we're going to

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have to involve ourselves again in another country. And I

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think it just seems like that cuts against the grain

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of what realists, so called realists or whatever you want

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to call them.

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Speaker 2: No, it does not realists to give security restrainers or

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you're talking about the people who really oppose involvement in others.

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That's what I'm saying. I actually think it is quite

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like I said, you don't have to like it. It's

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just probably how it's going to be. That there will

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be some you know, not insignificant US involvement in securing

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the peace. And whether that's just US sort of being

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the backstop, or whether they're are financial or other agreements

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like the Devil will be in the details here. And

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I do think people, you know, first of all, they

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need to continue to pray for peace because it's no guarantee.

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Just because Putin and Trump talked, and just because the

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European leaders all got together, it does not mean that

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we're going to see an end to this war. It's not,

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you know, it's these are really solid steps, but there

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is a long way to go. Even if it happens quickly,

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there's a lot that needs to be done to figure

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out how to end it. And you know, what the

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terms are for everybody, and so the negotiations that take

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place in those details will be key. And I don't

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think Americans want a super big They understand that there

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might be some role here for the United states. They

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do not want a super big involvement. I saw someone

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pointing out that Trump had said during the campaign that like,

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not one American boot would go on the ground in Ukraine,

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and I looked up the interview. It's with David Sachs,

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and it really relates to what he was saying about.

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In terms of escalation of the war. I think Americans

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still would like to not see too much American you know,

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too many Americans on the ground elsewhere in an official capacity.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there'll be American boots on the ground there.

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In fact, I think Trump said it guaranteed that wouldn't

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be the other day.

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Speaker 2: Already we already have people there, though, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there'll be an official marine presence or

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something there like you had in the Cold War. I

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think that there we have enough, you know, we have

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enough air power and stuff like that that I mean,

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once we give a guarantee in that way, it's unlikely

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in my estimation that Russia would break that, right. I

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just I don't think they would risk it. Maybe who knows,

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But like you mentioned, NATO which actually think wasn't a

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great idea and an amazing alliance for a long time

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during the Cold War. Yes, you know, we helped them,

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but we helped ourselves not to be you know, we

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were in a Cold War. We also helped ourselves in

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the sense of not having to go over there and

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rescue Europe, you know, which would have been a heart again,

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which probably would have happened if we weren't there. The

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Soviets almost surely would have started a war. And but

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I've been skeptical for years in the sense that I

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think its mission as the mission of NATO, should change,

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but also that the Europeans, now because they're wealthy and

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there's peace there, need to pick it up. And we

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essentially just prop that whole thing up. And none of

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them were even paying their fair share. I mean, in

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a start, this promised percentage, it's not even you know.

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Speaker 2: It started as a pretty tight alliance, and it's now

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just it's gotten extremely large, and the larger you get,

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the less secure it is too, the less ability it

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has to work. But it's that doesn't mean it's not

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a good alliance. It is a good alliance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just think maybe it needs

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to rethink it's it's it's goals. I mean, I do

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think Russia is an aggressive power, but I don't think

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it's the same as the Soviet Union by any mean

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in a way. So anyway, I know it's a longer conversation,

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but anyway, and Trump has gotten guarantees we'll see if

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they meet them from I think Germany and other countries

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to actually increase how much they're spending on defense, which

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they should have been doing. And so that's also and.

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Speaker 2: He's already gotten that to be increased, and that's good, right, right,

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and just you know European countries too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just it's not like a Trumpian thing. Obama

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wanted that as well, talked about it. You know, it's

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like been going on a long time. And so I

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think that's impressive. Anyway, I think Trump's doing a good

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job on foreign policy. Next topic, let's talk about unfortunately,

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let's talk about Gavin Newsom, governor of California. So he's

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been out there. Obviously, he wants to run for president,

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wants to be president. It's clear that's what's happening here.

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But I noticed he's he has his social media has

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become very I would say, Trumpian, or he's trying to

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be Trumpian, you know, mocking jd Vance and Trump and

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in kind of a I guess, a juvenile way, and

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being very aggressive. And then there's a whole redistricting fight

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where he's essentially taken the mantle of the Democratic Party

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to fight back against the Texas redistricting I guess in

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the Indiana redistricting potential redistricting. What do you make of

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him just in general, Like, it's hard for me to

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know because I don't understand people very well who would

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appeal to them and who would not, And it seems

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to me he is unappealing to me for many reasons.

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He's almost like a caricature of a like a rich,

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detached person who who actually doesn't understand what a noormy

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is worrying about and so on. Do you know what

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I mean? But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Oh, there's so many thoughts here, and

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it doesn't work on me. The Gavin Ussom thing does

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not work on me at all. There is nothing about

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him that I find appealing in any way. But when

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you look at his social media team mimicking Trump, one

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of the reasons why it's a bit cringey. Is that

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the way Trump speaks is very authentic to Trump. We've

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seen it for decades. He's very consistent in his insults

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and his praise and all of that is very real.

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You might hate it, you might dislike it. I know,

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particularly in the first Trump administration, I would talk to

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people and they would, you know, constantly say I love

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what he's doing. I hate the tweets, but they're real.

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Gavin Newsom has hired a bunch of women to run

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his social media and they do Trump style insults. And

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on the one hand, I think it's not working because

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it's not authentic and it's not even him. On the

475
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other hand, there's something about his theatrics, his brazenness, his

476
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very California. Yes, he like embraces the slick. You know,

477
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,240
he's slicking back his hair. He always looks kind of greasy.

478
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:22,799
He he does. You mentioned the Zelenski and the evil

479
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,000
guys in the movie. Gavin newsm is straight out of

480
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,200
the bad guy part in the in whatever the movie is.

481
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,160
But he's authentically that bad guy and he I remember

482
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,559
he did this debate with Ron DeSantis during the when

483
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when nobody could even be considered a real potential challenger

484
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,559
to Donald Trump in the twenty twenty four primary. Ron

485
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,920
de Santis was just trying to gain some traction, and

486
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so he debated Gavin Newsom.

487
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Do you remember that vaguely?

488
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was on the merits of what was

489
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,359
actually being said. There was no question that Ron DeSantis

490
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,759
was just doing it. What if you cared about the

491
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,240
factual basis of an argument, like a policy argument. He

492
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,079
was winning. But Gavin Newsom was so willing to brazenly lie.

493
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160
It was unbelievable. And I don't mean it in a

494
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,160
typical politician sense or even like a Donald Trumps sense,

495
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,160
you know, is the most beautiful building in the world

496
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,440
or whatever. He was just he would just make up things,

497
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,359
and he was very convincing about it. And I wonder,

498
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,839
I think that might work for trying to win the

499
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Democrat primary.

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Speaker 1: I think he can be president.

501
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,279
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well, then that's that was very that you

502
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,079
just summed up.

503
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,839
Speaker 1: Very very well. I I just I think you're right

504
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,519
about his brazen line. But I don't think people care anymore.

505
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,440
We've sort of broken that down like so, because in

506
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640
the past, let's say in the eighties, you're running for

507
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,799
office and you just brazenly lie, the newspaper is going

508
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,599
to point it out. You're going to become known as

509
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,839
a person and who's not telling the truth today. You

510
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,480
get away with that, and you'd probably have the Washington

511
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,240
Post in New York Times, you know, figuring out ways

512
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,680
to make whatever he said be true. I don't know

513
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,559
that that would hurt him. Also, we have to remember,

514
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,680
I mean, this is far off, we don't know what's

515
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,440
going to happen. But in twenty twenty eight, it's not

516
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Donald Trump running anymore. You know, someone's going to have

517
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,480
to try to take that mantle, and for them it's

518
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,319
going to be hard also to ape and mimic and

519
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,319
recreate what Trump does, which is he brings a level

520
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,559
of a personality others don't have, of loyalty others don't

521
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,279
have from supporters, and also bringing in people who aren't

522
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,960
Republicans naturally, you know, some union members, working class, but

523
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,319
others as well. I think his latinos, I think his

524
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,960
celebrity works for him in a way. He just knows

525
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,720
how to connect to people in a way. I just

526
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200
don't think could be wrong that jd Vance has or

527
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Mark or Rubio has or DeSantis has so or whoever,

528
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
I don't know who else might run. The other thing

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,359
I was thinking about was that what other Democrat really

530
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,880
is in the running here? I don't there you could?

531
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,519
You know, Josh Shapiro is a very popular governor in

532
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,200
a state that Trump won, right, But I just don't

533
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,039
buy a that a Jewish person can run for the

534
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:16,559
Democratic nomination with the way things are. But also I

535
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,319
just I just don't know that he has the personality

536
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,480
to appeal to to you know, to independence in purplish

537
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,160
red states. I don't know for sure. I don't know

538
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,240
him that well, but I think Newsom has a big personality.

539
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,279
He wants it. He's theatrical, he's a good you know,

540
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,240
he's I don't know. I just I could see him winning.

541
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,480
You I don't, I don't. I don't know what's going

542
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:42,839
to happen or you meaning, with this administration for the

543
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,680
next few years. But oftentimes you're in charge, Yes, you

544
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,759
accomplish things, but also in your second term you become

545
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,880
less popular. It almost always happens to every president, and

546
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,720
Republicans might become less popular as we move on the

547
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,920
next few years. It just happens and I don't know,

548
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
so I could see him when it's Kamala Harris going

549
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,359
to right, who's going to run if not him? On

550
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,920
the Democratic side.

551
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about how when Trump destroyed and

552
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,480
rebuilt the Republican Party, it was at a good time

553
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,960
for that to happen for Republicans, meaning the voters in

554
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,960
the Republican Party had just grown extremely frustrated with their

555
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:27,799
party leadership. The arguments were just had not really been

556
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,759
updated in a while. It just it was in addition

557
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:35,480
to Donald Trump being a once in a generation political talent,

558
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,480
it was also just good time. And you have to

559
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480
think that the Democrats are ready for some type of

560
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,319
massive overhaul of what they're offering. Like there, I'm not

561
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,319
saying they can't do well in the midterms or even

562
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,400
in the presidential but in terms of being a political

563
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,960
party that's not a total embarrassment to be part of,

564
00:31:55,359 --> 00:32:01,359
or that can a party of the few future. I

565
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,960
wonder if it won't just be someone from completely the

566
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:11,160
outside who wins their nomination. Politicians are like when you

567
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880
were talking about how Donald Trump is singular, that Rubio

568
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,680
and DeSantis and Vance are not going to show are

569
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,119
not going to be able to bring people in like

570
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,039
Trump does. That is absolutely true. But it's also true

571
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,240
that almost everyone in politics is a politician. You know,

572
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,279
Donald Trump just is not a politician, and there's something

573
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,279
very fresh about that. And Americans have frequently liked that

574
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,640
kind of thing when they feel like they're not dealing

575
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,640
with a politician. So maybe maybe it'll be someone just

576
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:43,240
completely different.

577
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be. I mean, when it

578
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,559
comes to the Trump end of things, you know, let's

579
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,599
say JD. Vance gets he probably has the inside track

580
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,559
of a VP usually does that people if things are

581
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,279
going well or can transpose that support because they leave

582
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,480
that things will just continue in the same direction. So

583
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:06,039
like Coolidge, you know, Harding was a popular president in

584
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,480
a GW. You know, Bush, who wasn't exactly mister charisma,

585
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,799
you know, could take it because people, you know, they

586
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,480
liked what Reagan was doing in general. So we'll see.

587
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:23,480
I I just I think the right dismisses him as

588
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,440
kind of a California liberal and all of that, which

589
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,880
is true, which I think helps him bring the if

590
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,920
he was the candidate, bring the activists along with him

591
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,359
because they know he is he has been left wing.

592
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,920
He's done left wing policy. But he's not stupid, and

593
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,319
he articulates himself well. And I think he's a good debater,

594
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,839
as you pointed out. So anyway, I don't know that

595
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,960
he should be dismissed so easy. I think he's a

596
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880
lot more impressive than Kamala Harris or someone like that.

597
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:55,680
And let's be honest, this is a split country. You know,

598
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,680
Kamala Harris lost, but you want a bunch of people.

599
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000
A bunch of people. Tens of millions of people vote

600
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,519
for her, and she could barely articulate an opinion.

601
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: So here's what happens when you pick winners and losers

602
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603
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604
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605
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606
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Now Rivian is losing forty one thousand dollars for every

607
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car sold.

608
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,559
Speaker 1: That is not a business model.

609
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,639
Speaker 3: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

610
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,880
it's affecting you financially.

611
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Speaker 1: Be informed.

612
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613
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Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I don't have the exact quote in front

615
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,280
of you. Believe you said something like he's going to

616
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,239
try to ban mail in ballots in the country. I

617
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
should preface this by saying, I think mail in ballots

618
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,519
are completely ridiculous. I can't think of another word. It's

619
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,559
so easy to cheat. I was in Colorado. I would

620
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,159
see people filling out other people's ballots and things like that,

621
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960
or a dad would get his, you know, kids ballots

622
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,920
who are away from college and fill them out. There's

623
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400
just it is not a secure way to have an election.

624
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,719
It's all, you know. I think people should I think

625
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,400
they should be an election day. I think people should

626
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,800
show up, and I think mail and ballots should be

627
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,119
reserved for people who can't leave the house or elderly

628
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,000
and things like that. In any event, I don't think

629
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,880
he has the power to do that. I mean, it's

630
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,039
not the federal government's job to run elections in the

631
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,440
country for states, because if they did trust me, in

632
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,039
the long run, that's not going to work out. For

633
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,119
people want secure elections because you're going to have institutions

634
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,519
taken by leftists or just going to in the end

635
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,599
make it, you know, let illegals vote whatever.

636
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,679
Speaker 2: Why do you think that quoint issue of the Constitution

637
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,440
which says that elections are to be handled by state legislatures.

638
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,079
When we look back at some of the complaints about

639
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,320
how the twenty twenty election was run, one of the

640
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:05,000
really good, legitimate, you know, complaints was about how instead

641
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,199
of having legislatures change the rules for an election, sometimes

642
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,280
it was just like a secretary of state and that's

643
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,920
not what the constitution says. Well, it's quite but I

644
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,039
have to mention it.

645
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean, yeah, I obviously I agree, and the

646
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,920
state legislatures were not involved. And a lot of what

647
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,000
went on in twenty twenty, as far as COVID stuff,

648
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:31,679
either shutting down church as businesses, it was just run

649
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,480
like it was authoritarian. I mean, you just had a government.

650
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,159
Speaker 2: State, spauci, you know whatever, a governor.

651
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: Or because there was an emergency. This is why I

652
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,079
don't love all of Trump's emergency declarations because these aren't

653
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:48,199
actual emergencies. We've totally gutted the meaning of an emergency.

654
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,559
And trust me, if there's a Gavin Newsom president, he's

655
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,960
going to abuse that power as well. Anyway, it is

656
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:01,000
what it is there. I'm worried about this. There are

657
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:05,079
Republican states that are very sensitive the electorate to like

658
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,880
cheating and legals voting and this and that, you know,

659
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,039
which happens on the margins, I think for sure, And

660
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,239
they're going to create an election process that makes it

661
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400
slightly harder for people. I mean, yeah, it makes it

662
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760
harder to vote. I think that's good actually, but then

663
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,920
you're going to have a bunch of states that make

664
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,440
it almost You tweeted me over something Andrew Yang said,

665
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,719
who was presidential candidate? When was that like whenever it

666
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,079
was an independent or he was a Democrat actually, but

667
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:35,800
he said that we should make it easier to vote

668
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,159
and let people vote via phone, even like these people

669
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,280
are insane. I see there's a movement to have sixteen

670
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,199
year olds vote. You know, they want just a free

671
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,400
for all because this is the way they win elections,

672
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as you've written a book about and so on. So

673
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,639
are you worried that these Bluish states are going to

674
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,719
create systems that allow them to cheat or have these

675
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,719
free for alls while red states are going to have

676
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,840
really strict elections and that somehow undermines them or I

677
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,199
don't know.

678
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's one of those issues. A lot of

679
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,800
the election laws that changed in response to twenty twenty

680
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,599
happened in red states, not blue states. But and so

681
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:19,360
it's like, well, what's the good of that? You know,

682
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,320
you have much safer and more secure elections in red states,

683
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,760
and then in New York City you've got illgals registering

684
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,920
to vote and who knows if they're getting to vote

685
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,320
in presidential elections, and you know, there are all sorts

686
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,920
of problems in blue states. They tend to do a

687
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:38,719
much worse job of cleaning up their voting rules. They

688
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,000
do not know purge non voters. Ten percent of the

689
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,159
country moves every year, and so you have to kind

690
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:45,880
of like really stay on your voter list to make

691
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
sure people aren't registered in multiple states or even just

692
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,760
multiple jurisdictions within a state, or improperly registered in a

693
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given state. But I think the way to look at

694
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,039
this issue is less about you know, will red states

695
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,480
do this and blue states do that? As proper election

696
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,079
administration is a constant activity. It's not something you do

697
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once and then you're done. My favorite example of this

698
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,480
is Florida in the two thousand election, they were the

699
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:18,199
laughing stock of the world because of their hanging Chad issue,

700
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their inability to resolve the election quickly, the fact that

701
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,719
two Democrat run counties in Florida were causing I mean

702
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it literally led to a Supreme Court battle and decision.

703
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And so the people of Florida, primarily beginning with Governor

704
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,800
Jeb Bush, but continuing to the current day under Governor

705
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Marco Rubio, the legislature and the governor have worked to

706
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improve their elections literally every year, to the point that

707
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,599
now when Florida has an election and they do have

708
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some mail out ballots, in fact, yeah, they have definitely

709
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,840
mail out ballots, and they have a lot of other

710
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,639
provisions that a lot of Democrats like, they know who

711
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,639
won the election immediately within an hour, I would say,

712
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,559
even just massive elections with millions upon millions of people voting,

713
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,639
they know within an hour of its conclusion. And so

714
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,559
everyone needs to understand that how you run elections is

715
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,679
just you don't You don't have a free country if

716
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:23,719
you don't have good elections, and so it's just something

717
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480
you need to pay constant attention to. But I do

718
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:28,800
think it's right to be worried about mail out ballots,

719
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,920
and I've never liked them, and even you know, Colorado,

720
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,719
I think is exclusively mail out ballot. But when you

721
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,280
look at elections as they began in this country, it

722
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,880
used to be people would vote publicly, you know, they

723
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,159
just like go down and publicly say like I'm for

724
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,280
this or I'm against this. And we moved to private

725
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,239
ballot in part so that people would not be pressured

726
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,559
into how they voted. So let's say you owed Tom money,

727
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
and Tom showed up at the town meeting and he said,

728
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,320
I'll let you go on some of your debt if

729
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,159
you vote for me for mayor. That kind of pressure

730
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,599
was not good for an election, and so they we

731
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,239
moved to a private ballot, and then we moved back

732
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,280
into the public ballot. I mean, imagine being in let's say,

733
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,880
like a new immigrant community, and you have or like

734
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,039
some kind of community that maybe has a tighter central control,

735
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,719
and the head of that community is like, okay, everybody,

736
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,960
bring in your ballot. I want to see who you're

737
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,760
voting for, and then we're going to seal them together

738
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,199
and we'll drop them off. You know, you just lose

739
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,960
the privacy of the voting booth al in a mail

740
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,239
out ballot situation, or a husband telling his wife how

741
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,519
to vote or vice versa, you know, and there being

742
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,159
some kind of pressure involved with that.

743
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,639
Speaker 1: This is why unions like open elections so they can

744
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:48,480
pressure the minority might be the majority and not unionizing.

745
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you actually used to have the parties would actually

746
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,039
print up the ballot that you voted, and you would

747
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,199
take it in and deposit it, you know, and so

748
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,679
like there are examples of this from one hundred years ago.

749
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,440
You've got a copy of a Republican ballot and I'm

750
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,639
not saying a list that tells you how to vote,

751
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,840
but literally the ballot. And so we moved to standardized ballots,

752
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,119
have it be issued by the government, have tight control

753
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:13,840
over them, make sure that people are who they say

754
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,920
they are. All of these protections developed over time to

755
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:20,920
secure the ballot box. And then with what we've done

756
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,760
to elections in the last couple decades, it's just removed

757
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,199
almost all of them in a bad way. So I

758
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,480
would love it if people moved away from mail out ballots. Also,

759
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:33,480
I think it's funny. I think Russia does exclusively electronic

760
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,519
voting and people are always like so worried about Russians,

761
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,920
and we want to have elections like they do. They

762
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,119
don't have they don't have paper ballots that you vote

763
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:42,559
in person.

764
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,639
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'm sorry, no, gun Now, I'm just going

765
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,880
to say I tie this into redistricting as well, where

766
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,880
we're creating states where in a weird way, the parties

767
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,119
are ensuring that they'll never lose power and the way

768
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,559
we vote, for instance, but also in that we're going

769
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,719
to make all districts one. Essentially, states will become like

770
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,920
Senate seats. You know, you're going to have states with

771
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:10,000
very few districts that aren't voting the same way, and

772
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:15,599
that undermines democracy, you know, small d democracy and which

773
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,079
i'm usually four because I think democracies should be limited

774
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,039
as much as possible. But except in the House, where

775
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,079
that is the one place where the founders actually wanted

776
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,679
a very more democratic system. And I also want to

777
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,159
quickly say that, you know, there's Jeb Bush. Poor Jeb

778
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,559
Bush came up when Trump was you know, ran when

779
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,599
Trump was rising. That was his moment, and I think

780
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,400
people forget he was probably the favorite that election going in,

781
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,119
and Trump kind of destroyed Jeb and Jeb Bush became

782
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:48,920
sort of the the the person who everyone mocked is

783
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,079
the past. But he was actually a very good governor

784
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,519
of Florida. He schooled choice, the elect the electoral you know,

785
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,199
the election systems, the voting systems and so on, economics,

786
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,559
I think, you know, taxes and all that, and a

787
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,440
lot of regulation. He was a very effective governor, probably

788
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,159
better than his brother was a governor.

789
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Everyone always says that if Jeb had won

790
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,480
his first election for governor and George had lost his

791
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,800
first election for governor, you would have had a different

792
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,880
one as president, and that might have been better for everybody.

793
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk about culture. I hear you have something to

794
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,159
tell me that's very exciting. That's something you did recently.

795
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,599
Speaker 2: Yes, I just want to say, first off, to break

796
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,440
the third wall here and speak directly to our listeners.

797
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,119
I told David I'd like to talk about how I

798
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,920
sang at the Grand Ole Opry this weekend. And he said,

799
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,280
what was the first word that you just said?

800
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: You don't know much about your singing. Yeah, I was

801
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,159
just taking notes, and then I'm like, what should just say? Well,

802
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,840
actually it sounds exciting. Let let's hear about it.

803
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,079
Speaker 2: Oh, it was the thrill of a lifetime for me.

804
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:00,119
Have you been to the Grand Ole Opry.

805
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,679
Speaker 1: I was in the parking. You're talking about the new

806
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,199
like the new building. I was there now, And then

807
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,199
I went to like the old one. Yeah, I went

808
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,000
to visit the old one.

809
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had been. I'd gotten to go last year

810
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,880
and even be backstage, which was really exciting during a show.

811
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,000
And there's this band that Mark and I. There's this

812
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,920
musical artist that Mark and I just absolutely love beyond belief,

813
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,920
Monty Warden. And he has two bands. He's out of Austin,

814
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,760
you know, infamously with the Wagoneers and then that that

815
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,920
seems like I always use that word wrong, famously with

816
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:36,800
the Wagoneers.

817
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,559
Speaker 1: Sorry, depends what they did, Molly, that's infamous or not.

818
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: And then his new band, The Dangerous View, which is

819
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,960
this great Americana jazz band that plays at the at

820
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,519
the Parker Jazz Club in Austin, and the Wagoneers play

821
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:57,960
at the Broken Spoke, which is a great honky tonk

822
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:07,280
in Austin. And insanely, Monty asked if I would sing

823
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,679
backup when he performed at the Opry this year. So

824
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,280
he's been at the Opry a bunch of times, like

825
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,719
fourteen times, and he is he's you know, he's just great.

826
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,639
So I just said yes, even though that's insane to

827
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,719
do it. And it was so exciting. I mean, I

828
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,679
can't tell you. I still feel like I'm floating. And

829
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,599
it's been many days since I was there. To go

830
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:37,239
out on that stage, it's weird to have an inanimate

831
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,400
object give that kind of feeling. Like, you know, they

832
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,400
did move the stage from the rhymen to where it

833
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,800
is now, but you just walk out there and it's

834
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,199
like unbelievable. And it was a packed house. It was

835
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,760
a Saturday night. The crowd was awesome. I mean, they

836
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,239
were just they were there to have fun, you know

837
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,079
what I mean, Like they were there to hear music,

838
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,920
and they were very supportive of it. They were just

839
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,360
it was it was a really really great show.

840
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,119
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That is uh yeah, it's something.

841
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:17,159
Speaker 2: You nerve wracking, really cool. So sorry, I'm like literally

842
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,760
just like thinking about it and dazing off. But so

843
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800
mont it was the it was the anniversary of Elvis's death,

844
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,639
and so Monty performed the two songs that Elvis sang

845
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,480
at the Opry. And when Elvis was invited to perform

846
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,719
at the Opry, he I mean, by all accounts, he

847
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,440
basically bombed. They did not like what he was doing.

848
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,400
They were angry. They thought it was too rock and

849
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,800
roll infused or too much black influence, and so they

850
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,480
kind of just did not support him at all. He

851
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,440
was even told that he should probably just go back

852
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,079
to Memphis and do trucking or whatever. I mean, like,

853
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,320
they were really hostile to him. So he never performed again.

854
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,400
Wow and uh at.

855
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: The opera and.

856
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: So it's just it was cool son. He played the

857
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,679
two songs and he was like, I hope you give

858
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,559
me a better reception than you gave you.

859
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: What were the two songs?

860
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: Gosh? Yeah. So the two songs that Elvis sang at

861
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,320
the Opry back in the fifties, like nineteen fifty four

862
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,840
were Bluemon of Kentucky and That's all Right, And so

863
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,199
I got to sing back up on That's all Right,

864
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,000
which just you know, such a it was great.

865
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Did anyone tape this film this event?

866
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,199
Speaker 2: Well, there were people in the audience who filmed it

867
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,360
and posted it on Twitter. Buck Throckmorton was there, which

868
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,760
was exciting. I don't know if you read him at all.

869
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,679
And so he put some stuff up on Twitter and

870
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,639
then I think that the Opry will release it or

871
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,639
I think I don't know.

872
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,079
Speaker 1: So that.

873
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 2: And Mark was there backstage and he took some videos

874
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,960
from the back. But so I can I can look

875
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,800
at it. But I think that's the so funny is

876
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,519
obviously I sing at church, I sing in the shower.

877
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,079
I like to sing. But making your debut in public

878
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,960
singing while making your debut at the Grandule Opry is

879
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,280
another thing in time?

880
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,199
Speaker 1: Did you sing? Like when you were young, were you

881
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,840
in like the car chorus and high school? Like did

882
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,199
you do you have any singing background? Okay, yeah, did

883
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,199
you have a band or anything.

884
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,079
Speaker 2: Not anything like that. No, but I've definitely always sung

885
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,039
at church and I sung in school. In fact, Ammy

886
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,800
Adams was in my show choir.

887
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:42,119
Speaker 1: Did she have a good voice, Yeah, she's in that music. Yeah,

888
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,000
all right, congratulations, that's amazing. Yeah.

889
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:48,519
Speaker 2: It was so exciting. And also while we were there,

890
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,079
we met everybody after the show who had come that

891
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,880
we knew out at the flagpole in front of the Opry,

892
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:59,280
and while we're walking out, the crowd was just like

893
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,039
cheering us, and it was very addictive kind of thing.

894
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:04,639
And then also some people came up and they were like,

895
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,440
knew who I was, and so they were very excited

896
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,159
that I was also doing this. It was just I'm

897
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,599
so thrilled that Monty allowed me to do that. And

898
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,199
his wife is one of my very favorite people in

899
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,840
the whole world, so it was great to be able

900
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,840
to do it with her, and she's so she was

901
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,599
up there like so hot. It looked great, and I'm

902
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,760
kind of like so nervous, I'm barely moving.

903
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:34,039
Speaker 1: When I've watched movies about the Grand Old Opera, you know,

904
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,599
it's like you get to come up, sing a couple

905
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,880
of songs, you leave, and there's just this constant like

906
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,840
show going on where people keep going. Do they still

907
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,639
preserve that tradition or.

908
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely? So sorry, I have all these other things I

909
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,519
want to talk about too with it related to it.

910
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:55,119
So when you normally they have this amazing backup band

911
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,800
or like permanent band at the opry and backup singers,

912
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,679
and when you show up to perform, they have this

913
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,360
thing called the cage that's in the back that it's

914
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,800
just all the musicians are set up in a tight area.

915
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,480
You do your songs, they learn them then and then

916
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:17,400
they play them. I mean, there's just amazing, fantastic musicians. Okay,

917
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,760
So the night that we performed at the Opry, there

918
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,719
were two kind of like big streamer type people or

919
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,960
you know, big artists that were releasing songs or were there.

920
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,440
Jordan Davis and Kylie Morgan. And so when we show up,

921
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,840
Jordan Davis is practicing with the band on stage, which

922
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,800
is very different. And so then they told us that

923
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,800
we're all we're all going to do our warm ups

924
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,199
on the stage, which was very cool. I'm so glad

925
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:46,239
we got to go out there before we did it

926
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,880
for real, because it made it a little bit more

927
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,400
comfortable when we did it. If you take us a

928
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,079
tour of the Opry, there's a backstage tour you will

929
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:59,320
see that there are some of their regular performers throughout

930
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,199
the years have their own own dressing rooms, and then

931
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,039
you get to be in those dressing rooms. So we

932
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,719
got the Porter Wagner dressing room, which was so awesome

933
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,840
to be in there, and it's just fun. You're just

934
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,519
walking back there and all the stars are there and

935
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:18,559
they're all just hanging out and talking and their supporter

936
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,760
or their support or band are there too, and sometimes

937
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,800
their kids are there. I had a kid there. It

938
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,599
was just great and it is like you feel like

939
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,840
you're in one of those shows they used to show

940
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,360
at the Opry. Just everyone's hanging out and yeah, and

941
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
then you can watch people from backstage, which I love

942
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,559
to do, and then you get to cheer them on

943
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,360
they when they come off stage. It's just a very

944
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,920
fun environment. But it's very quick. Only two or three songs.

945
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,960
So Monty did in honor of Elvis because it was

946
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,800
the anniversary of his death August sixteenth, These two songs

947
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,039
that he performed at the Opry, and then he also

948
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,000
did one of the sacred song that he had writen

949
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,639
and with his wife Brandy called Steadfast Love, and so

950
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,119
we also did back up on that and it was

951
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,599
it was just fun. Crowd into it great. I love Nashville.

952
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:14,920
It's so fun to be there. And we had we

953
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,519
did some other stuff like radio shows on the Friday

954
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:24,800
beforehand where we sang, and they have these singer songwriter

955
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,880
shows at various bars in Nashville where you go and

956
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,639
you present, and Monty did one of those two which

957
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:36,239
was really fun at Third and Lensley. So it was

958
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,360
just a great weekend. And so next next.

959
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:42,119
Speaker 1: Step for you is to appear on one of his

960
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,599
albums as a backup singer and then branch out into

961
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:47,400
a solo career.

962
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,599
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's definitely what's going to happen next.

963
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,079
Speaker 1: Well, congrats, that's awesome. Thanks to tell me we're going

964
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:57,519
to do that.

965
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,679
Speaker 2: But now did you do any Oh? Sorry, that's also

966
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,559
I kept it kind of secret because I wanted to

967
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:08,320
surprise Sean Davis. And Sean Davis was there and he

968
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,400
was surprised, so I had to keep it like so

969
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:13,039
mum rather than talking about it.

970
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:15,519
Speaker 1: So did you invite him? And then he showed up?

971
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:18,119
And then you just showed up on stage? Okay, yeah,

972
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,360
that's a lot of fun. So that's great.

973
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:23,119
Speaker 2: What about you?

974
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:24,639
Speaker 1: Did you whatever?

975
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,159
Speaker 2: This week?

976
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: My stories are going to see him very small. Now

977
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,559
wait my room by myself. I had a.

978
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Tweet from someone that said, like it'll be I watched

979
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,800
There was a horrible show I watched about the Cotswalds.

980
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,039
So I only watched four seasons. David Harsani, what did

981
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,000
you do, Molly? You know?

982
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: Oh?

983
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,679
Speaker 2: I sang at the grandele I loved it exactly.

984
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:51,679
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I played guitar in my room

985
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,000
by myself, but I enjoyed it and I was excellent.

986
00:54:58,119 --> 00:54:59,679
What did I do? Oh? Yeah, I have some news

987
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:06,000
for you. I think today there's a new documentary on

988
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:12,719
Netflix about Devo, a one of these two hour deals. Yeah,

989
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,719
I've only watched the beginning. I didn't know they were

990
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,840
at Kent State when Ken State went down and all

991
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:23,519
that that I have, And yeah, it does seem so small.

992
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,239
I got this. We got this email from Gary who's

993
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,559
the name, and he asked me if I watched Alien Earth.

994
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,400
I thought maybe I spoke about it, but I guess not.

995
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,800
I did watch the first episode. I'm obviously a big

996
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,119
sci fi fan for people who listen know that, and

997
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,960
I thought it was really well done. It's a Noah

998
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:42,519
Hawley show. He did far Ago. He's ring a couple

999
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,639
of books that I think are okay novels. Timothy Oliphanson,

1000
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,360
it who I find I like from Justified, plays a

1001
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,760
very different role. I have to tell you I watched him.

1002
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,639
I'm not a big like celebrity podcast listener, but Conan

1003
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,239
and Brian is a podcast. I think Conan needs a

1004
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,599
friend maybe, and he had Tim at the Olifan on

1005
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:08,400
and I find him very refreshing, like very First of all,

1006
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,559
he makes me sick in the sense that he's older

1007
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,920
than me and he looks like twenty years younger. He's

1008
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,480
smart and funny, yeah and all that hate that, but

1009
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,280
he's really funny. I think he's funnier than he was,

1010
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,159
funnier than Conan, honestly, and you know, he's married a

1011
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,320
long time, he's in just it seems like obviously not

1012
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,800
a normal dude, because that's abnormal what's going on with

1013
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,559
him physically, but normal in the sense that he seems

1014
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,760
like easy to get along with. Anyway. I like him

1015
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,239
and he's good in it. And the show is a

1016
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,800
little it's not you know, it's a little scary and

1017
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,559
all that, but good and at least the first episode.

1018
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,000
So that's all I have. Did you do anything else

1019
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:44,639
other than sing at the Grand Old Obry?

1020
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,079
Speaker 2: Yes? So I'm in New York right now and with

1021
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:54,239
my oldest kid, and we decided after Gutfeld last night,

1022
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,239
so I was on Gutfeld and we taped that that

1023
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,719
we would go see this new Jeff Buckley documentary called

1024
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,639
It's Never over Jeff Buckley. I think that's what it's called.

1025
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry. He's the one who died swimming. Was

1026
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,440
it swimming or drowned? Yeah? Yes, Okay, I'm not. I'm not.

1027
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:18,199
Speaker 2: You're not like a massive Jeff. Honestly, you are so wrong.

1028
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm a bigger fan of his dad, Tim Buckley. Have

1029
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,880
you ever listened to him?

1030
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,159
Speaker 2: Yes? And I don't think that's a justifiable position.

1031
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: No, I never got into it. I'll have to give

1032
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,280
it another shot. But go on, Oh, you're killing me.

1033
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,639
Speaker 2: So we went down to the Angelica film thing down

1034
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,840
in Soho and it was great. It was kind of

1035
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,039
like an old school massive movie theater, you know, like

1036
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,360
a small and.

1037
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: I've been it's been around forever.

1038
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and it's a good crowd and they were

1039
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,159
showing it like every hour on the hour. And at

1040
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:59,239
the end of the documentary they just have a bunch

1041
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,039
of songs of him singing at a concert in Boston

1042
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:05,960
before Grace came out. What is that the name of

1043
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
the album? Did I just make that up?

1044
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:09,599
Speaker 1: You're the massive fan.

1045
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm horrible with names.

1046
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,639
Speaker 1: Grace, Yeah, Grace, And.

1047
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,559
Speaker 2: To ask my kid, I was like, I think that's right.

1048
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,559
It was a well done documentary. I have my quibbles

1049
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,000
on things, but he was such an interesting figure it

1050
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:27,000
would make it would be better to talk about it

1051
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:29,840
if you appreciated him like you should.

1052
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: I will watch it when it's streaming and then we can.

1053
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: I think you would really like it. And it does

1054
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:38,760
deal with his father. So his parents got pregnant in

1055
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,039
high school, they got married, and the dad left before

1056
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,880
he was even born, and it just caught. It creates

1057
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,280
a hole in his heart. He does get to meet

1058
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,960
him before his father dies of a heroin overdose, but

1059
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,199
he's young, and it's just he barely meets him, he

1060
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,559
barely has a role in his life. And then his

1061
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,480
mom is, you know, on the eccentric, and it just

1062
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,159
goes through who he was as a person, how difficult

1063
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:09,039
it was to create this art, how wonderful his album

1064
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,039
that his studio album was. And it was a nice story.

1065
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:17,599
And then we were going to go to dinner right nearby,

1066
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,599
and we went into a snobby place that explained we

1067
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,360
were not allowed to be in there. So we went

1068
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,840
to Balthazar and I had at I had what I

1069
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,000
consider a celebrity siding, which is did you ever see

1070
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,960
that TV show it's called Catastrophe has like an American

1071
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,000
comedian and an Irish woman, and.

1072
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I do.

1073
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: I think the American comedian is some left winger, but

1074
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,880
he was. He's great in this show and they have

1075
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:55,840
had great, did great. So we're walking.

1076
00:59:55,519 --> 01:00:03,199
Speaker 1: Into on probably this person is going to be it's.

1077
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,519
Speaker 2: So late at night that Balthazar has, you know, like

1078
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:07,599
we could go in there, but we're walking in there

1079
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,480
and we're walking behind these really hot women that look

1080
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,199
like literal models. And then I realized one of them

1081
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:18,639
was Sharon Morgan, the Irish Chicken. That okay, I was excited.

1082
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:24,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, she's she's around a good work. Yeah,

1083
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,519
that's a that's a lot you did this week.

1084
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: I agree.

1085
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you want to hear more of Molly's adventures,

1086
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,079
come back next week. But until then, be lovers of

1087
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:44,880
freedom and anxious for the phrase see how along the

1088
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:52,760
Street